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[–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (7 children)

looks like Amazon Dark just

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(⌐■_■) went dark.

[–]AmazonDarkTeam[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

You won my respect dear sir

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

lol sweet the respect of someone who worked for, and ultimately got ripped off by, a minor criminal darknet enterprise.

[–]SepehrSamimi 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Lmfao, that was awesome.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks! we do it for you Sepehr!

[–]crazybelarusian -1 points0 points  (1 child)

made my day, thank you

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (10 children)

OK, i know how this ends, and i ask in advance how much this exit scam has got in BTC?? Approximately, at this stage??

[–]ExitScam 15 points16 points  (2 children)

how much this exit scam has got in BTC

I don't even have 1 BTC to my name :-\

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I can send you one for 655 US dollars.

[–]IAMMVRCUS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great deal

[–]AmazonDarkTeam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The amount of traffic was very low so i doubt it was a great amount

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Not much id assume since its a small market. Id say like 9000 usd at most.

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        [–]safdgddfsdfsdsggd 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        who the fuck uses these trash markets, this is like using a 4.67 vendor. There is enough other markets that are at least decently reliable. just my 2 cents

        [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (34 children)

        And still no one will believe me

        [–]izza123 66 points67 points  (4 children)

        My grandmother was terrified of bridges, she had never been near a collapsed bridge or ever seen one collapse, she just had a unexplained fear of it. Every time one would collapse somewhere in the world she would hand out "I told you so's", Thats you.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        People in this sub have such a way with words sometimes.

        [–]honestlyimeanreally 5 points6 points  (28 children)

        OP has credibility... Are you the guy who posted everyday nothing more than "hurr durr it's a scam!" ?

        [–]neovngr 7 points8 points  (26 children)

        Well if he was, looks like he was proven right eh?

        [–]honestlyimeanreally 5 points6 points  (23 children)

        Absolutely! But doesn't this also illustrate the need for evidence backing up your claims?

        If he had tried harder to warn the community with proof, it's likely that coin could've been saved by many users.

        [–]Theeconomist1 10 points11 points  (22 children)

        And this is the conundrum we have. Anyone can say anyone is scamming. Sometimes they are right Bc they know or sometimes a coincidence. I was gonna post something similar but you nailed it.

        Also people need to make sure they understand that as a mod we are here to facilitate discussion. We aren't much more than that. We aren't the final say on anything - the community is. We aren't here to validate every claim. If there is compelling evidence then we do try to make that warning more prominent. But we have to be careful mainly Bc we shouldn't be seen as any sort of arbiter in this. The community is.

        [–][deleted] -7 points-6 points  (20 children)

        Then remove the Active Warnings List from the sidebar and make a sticky thread that you are going to ignore all ongoing scams until a market employee literally comes on here to tell you about it. Or hire mods that actually care about this community.

        [–]Theeconomist1 4 points5 points  (18 children)

        I reviewed the posts of the user posting the daily warning. No proof was provided. Can you explain to me how I should go about proving a claim if nothing is provided. See I can make a post and say xyz is scamming. What should I do to verify the claim if nothing is provided? We do make use of the active warnings if we have proof.

        Please tell me step by step how you would handle a claim of xyz scamming? Like I said we aren't an investigative body but I am curious how that should be handled in your words.

        I'm working on adding them to active warning list due to compelling evidence. Preponderance of evidence is all we can do here. If none is provided then it doesn't give us anything at all to go on

        [–]GrandWizardsLair 6 points7 points  (7 children)

        The Grand Wizard strongly suspects /u/gillhof and /u/gryonn are the same person. If they aren't, they are two entitled whiners who think their word should be taken as fact and any request for supporting evidence is proof you are in on the conspiracy. Both can be safely ignored without losing any signal.

        [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        How because I don't want people to lose money? How the fuck does that mean im entitled.

        [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

        TIL warning people about an ongoing scam and being ignored makes you an entitled whiner. For the record, I'm not OP, just a guy that sees the corruption of this mod team. Many other posts about Amazon Dark scamming have been mysteriously vanishing all week, btw and the mods have actively threatened and banned users for even bringing the subject up.

        [–]GrandWizardsLair 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Expecting people will take you seriously when you have no kind of hard evidence is entitled. Repeating your unsubstantiated claims over and over without any attempt to provide said proof, and even accusing those asking for proof of being part of the conspiracy, is whining.

        Next question?

        [–]sapiophile[M] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        Many other posts about Amazon Dark scamming have been mysteriously vanishing all week, btw and the mods have actively threatened and banned users for even bringing the subject up.

        lolwut? Can you please demonstrate that in any kind of way? That's just total nonsense, on both counts. I sure don't see anything removed on https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/search?q=amazon+dark&sort=new&restrict_sr=on

        And as for "threatening" and "banning" users "for even bringing the subject up" (lol?), you're seriously just talking about of your ass, here. Put up or shut up, as they say - you won't be able to, because what you're describing hasn't happened.

        [–]coffeencreme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        OK, so where is the proof of the mods doing this? Who's posts have they removed and who have they threatened?

        Didn't think so.

        [–]coffeencreme 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I'm just going to expand a bit on your point Economist and back you guys a bit....what I think we all also need to remember is a mods words in things like this do often carry more weight than an active user.

        So if I post and say I think such and such is a scam, you can read it and decide for yourselves what you think. If Economist or one of the other mods posts the same, straight away that post is going to be taken more seriously.

        SO. If they put their weight behind a users post saying something is a scam, and it's not, they will have caused damage to the reputation of it.

        It's a tricky situation, I think you guys all do a good job with this to be honest. If one of us cries scam and then can't or won't provide proof, I think you do all you can.

        [–]Theeconomist1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        THANK YOU. This is so spot on. We have to be cautious for this very reason. If we are wrong, we have fucked an innocent person. And I think most know this, but we are actually well intentioned like most of the community. We do care and we don't like to make mistakes or hurt someone that hasn't done anything wrong.

        Our speculation can hurt. Bottom line. More so than the average poster. We are being professional. Professionals are patient, calm and don't just do things on a whim. If we added a warning to every single unsubstantiated claim we got, the warning list would be huge.

        Thank you for saying this Bc it's spot on.

        [–]honestlyimeanreally 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        cough I'd update that shit daily cough

        Oh don't mind me, just have a cold.

        [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        A broken clock is still right twice a day.

        [–]ModernApothecary -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        Op was a cop here since day 1, and wants to stay that way! /s

        [–]barbsinbars 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Happen to loose 15 coins fukers

        [–]the_furrow_farrow 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        hello. So I had a substantial ammount of coin in escrow at AD when it went dark. I am trying to contact a vendor outside of the market to work out a temporary soloution. Is there any way you could help me get in contact with a vendor? The email tagged onto the vendors PGP key is broken (mailer-daemon undeliverable, etc...)

        [–]Jay-__ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        You could try to search for the vendor via Grams InfoDesk (see sidebar -> resources for the link).

        You can search by name or PGP-key and see if he/she may is vending on other markets.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Welp now we have an official warning. Good thing it is on the warning list now.

        inb4 some kid comes on and says its a scam still lol

        [–]GinkNocab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        All of these people who keep coins on the market are the same people who actually think that the random guy you meet downtown is gonna bring whatever he said he could get back. How many times does it take for you retards to learn?

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          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (27 children)

          Daily reminder that the mods of this subreddit were warned about this scam every day for weeks and refused to place Amazon Prime on the active warning list or perform any investigation at all. They would rather sit on their hands and never do anything useful and insult any user who brings up the fact that they do literally nothing to help this sub or community in any way.

          [–]Theeconomist1 13 points14 points  (21 children)

          This is a misunderstanding of the mods role here. First and foremost we are here to help facilitate discussion amongst the community. We aren't an investigative body. We rely on our members to publish their findings.

          If we were deleting warnings and such for no reason that's different. But at the end of the day this is the community's role and responsibility. We don't have the bandwidth to investigate every claim made. We get these type of things daily. All the time. We can't investigate every claim and that's beyond the scope of what we are here for.

          We rely on the community to do this and present their findings to the community. The community will either accept or reject the claim. Warnings were made daily. They weren't deleted. The community either took heed or it didn't. But we aren't the final arbiter on stuff. I don't recall ever seeing proof of the claims. If proof was provided I apologize for missing it. I'm not here all the time and do my best when I am here along with all the other mods. Proof is paramount Bc we get claims all the time. People are sometimes disingenuous as well

          [–]StillUseless 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Why do you spend time arguing with fools like this? Same question goes to /u/sapiophile

          Especially when you can make them "simply vanish"?

          [–]Theeconomist1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          It's honestly for the benefit of others more than anything else. If a new community member happens to see it I'd like them to have it out in context. Sometimes it is out of the mistaken notion that everybody here is operating in good faith.

          [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (15 children)

          Your mods absolutely do delete warnings and ban users for posting warnings for no reason....they've been doing it for weeks now, btw. Although I suspect there actually is a reason.....money.

          [–]sapiophile[M] 5 points6 points  (14 children)

          Wow, look at all these "deleted" posts I can turn up just by searching for "Amazon Dark," here: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/search?q=amazon+dark&sort=new&restrict_sr=on

          Do you even understand how reddit works?

          [–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (13 children)

          Of course no "deleted" threads show up, they simply disappeared, along with several users that brought up the subject. It's pretty easy to control information when you can make information and people simply vanish, then demand proof when you deleted all the proof that exists. You're basically the KGB.

          [–]GrandWizardsLair 13 points14 points  (0 children)

          Of course no "deleted" threads show up, they simply disappeared, along with several users that brought up the subject. It's pretty easy to control information when you can make information and people simply vanish, then demand proof when you deleted all the proof that exists. You're basically the KGB.

          You, sir, are an idiot.

          [–]sapiophile[M] 7 points8 points  (7 children)

          So wait... let me get this straight. Your theory is that we're taking bribes from Amazon Dark in order to suppress information about their market being a scam... except that there are tons of scam allegation threads that have not been deleted that are easily accessed just by searching for the market's name... and we've now gone ahead and added their market to the Active Warnings within just a few hours of the first actual evidence of their scamming coming to light (this OP), and added a warning on the Superlist...

          Man, we must be, like, the worst corrupt moderators ever! Amazon Dark sure didn't get their money's worth, eh?

          Come on, yo. You need to chill out. We instituted a new policy a few months ago that raised the standard of proof for anything to be added to the Active Warnings (a very wise change, I felt and still feel), to prevent making it too easy for competitors to just invent a scam with a bunch of throwaway accounts. Up until this thread, I haven't seen anything that would even remotely qualify for AD to be on the active warnings list. A few people with complaints doesn't mean shit. Especially when most of the threads about the issue are from ONE person who appears to have a grudge.

          Come back to Earth, yo, and think about this just a moment.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

          Damn, you made him delete his reddit account.

          RIP [deleted]

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

          Actually, he deleted my reddit account along with half my posts like they always do when people call them out on their obvious corruption.

          [–]sapiophile 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          lolwut, a subreddit moderator can't do anything to your reddit account. You're thinking of the reddit admins, who are employed by the site. Wow, you really don't have any idea what you're talking about...

          [–]young_k 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Damn /u/sapiophile why won't you guys share that secret moderator menu location with me? I thought we were cool. :(

          [–]Theeconomist1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Hahahaha. Good job on absolutely destroying your credibility. Anyone can look up whether or not a sub moderator can do this and they'll find they can't. Fucken moron.

          [–]LordDongler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Rekt

          [–]StillUseless 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          you can make information and people simply vanish

          Fuck me! I'm going to have to start being nicer to the mods around here.

          [–]Jay-__ 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          You better do so.

          See how /u/sapiophile just let that guy vanish? Now his account is deleted.

          [–]StillUseless 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Yeah, I saw it. Nothin' left behind but a smoking pair of shoes.

          [–]young_k 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I laughed out loud when I read this...

          [–]sapiophile[M] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          We've gone ahead and added a warning for Amazon Dark. But only because of OP's clear history in working for them. Without any kind of evidence, we can't just add markets to the warning list willy-nilly - if we reacted every time a few throwaway accounts had complaints about a market, things would be a lot worse.

          Please think about that and about what /u/Theeconomist1 had to say about the matter.

          [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

          So the only way you will actually protect the community ever is if a market employee specifically tells you they are scamming? That is literally the only evidence you will accept? That inspires so much confidence in everyone in the integrity of anything read here. If Amazon Dark offered you money to keep themselves off the Active Warnings List nothing would have happened at all and this thread would have disappeared.

          [–]transamerican 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          They are only here to moderate, not to judge. BUT, IF they have bullet-proof-evidence of an ongoing scam, they put it on the "warning list". NOT if gillhof/gryon are crying out load "SCAM"! We are all here to protect each other (if we're willing to), but the decision what to do with your money is totally on your own! Don't blame the Reddit-Mods for anything - be happy, that we all have a reliable source for information on here. TA

          [–]sapiophile[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          So the only way you will actually protect the community ever is if a market employee specifically tells you they are scamming? That is literally the only evidence you will accept?

          Really not sure where you got that idea from. You're being deliberately obtuse, and it's not helping your "argument."

          Up until this point, nobody alleging anything against Amazon Dark has provided anything to substantiate their claims - not even a screenshot (which wouldn't really be enough, anyway), NOTHING.

          And you keep talking about threads disappearing but I'm pretty sure you just have no idea how reddit works. Threads fall off the front page pretty quickly. Did you try searching, yet? Because it sure seems like all those threads are still around when I look at https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/search?q=amazon+dark&sort=new&restrict_sr=on

          Honestly, if you're gonna be this thick and ignorant about this, there's not really anything that I can do to appease or convince you, so please just stop trolling this community.

          [–]MLP_is_my_OPSEC[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Amazon Prime

          Hahaha hahaha!

          [–]darkouterwear -1 points0 points  (4 children)

          Looks like the official warning was 4 months ago.

          https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackBank/comments/3aeggo/the_return_of_blackbank/

          No one listened. Dumb fucks

          [–]ciphersexual 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          How'd you know?

          [–]darkouterwear -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

          Cause I seen the fall of all the DNMS, SR, SR2, SHEEP, Ev0, Agora, BlackBank, etc etc... And the DNM's that do EXIT SCAMS, have one thing in common.

          When a new DNM is born, a well-known one will exit scam, sure enough. This process is repeated over time, to "keep cashing in" . It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

          I am also the same guy who had the BlackBank and Evolution "Hotline" open for callers when each one exit scammed.

          The fall of BlackBank, and Amazon Dark was born shortly before. No coincedence.

          [–]the_furrow_farrow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          wait, can you enlighten me with more of this wisdom? bc i was all over bb when it went out, now, same with AD.. so i need to take 5 and learn what you are saying..

          [–]darkouterwear -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Just re-read the posting.

          [–]dopeboy77 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          but there is like 10 members so it cant be that bad , shit the owener must really be in the hole if he cant afford the server fee

          [–]dopeboy77 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          but there is like 10 members so it cant be that bad , shit the owener must really be in the hole if he cant afford the server fee

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