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[–]InfinitelyOutThere 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Excited to see where this goes.

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you! We're excited as well. As of now, we charge NO COMMISSION AT ALL. This is to entice people to use our market. We are looking for vendors of all products alike, do not hold back on signing up! We can't do this without the community.

[–]vb5pfizer 1 point2 points  (11 children)

So, what's your business model? Why would anyone use your market?

I mean, not that you're worse than the average new darknet startup but let's think together for a second about how can you actually succeed and make life better for all of us and a pile of dough for yourself.

Look at the current landscape of markets. The biggest problem right now is NOT people not encrypting their communications (as stupid as that is). The biggest problem is centralized markets owning keys to their users' bitcoins which results in a hack or robbery after ~2 months of operation. The second biggest problem is the lack of confidence that this causes. Can you offer a solution to that?

Look at which markets stand out: Agora/Pandora/BSM do because they've been around the longest out of the current batch. Until they die you can't beat that, no matter how hard you try.

TMP stands out as the most secure and technically advanced market, as well as the one that offers a practical solution to the aforementioned trust problem. And yet they fail because for some reason people still haven't caught on that they have a TOR node and the multi-sig process right now is too complicated for many. Can you beat that? Assuming you have the technical know-how, could you make the escrow both easy to use and secure from admin scam? Then you would rule supreme.

Just food for thought. Right now you're just another person screaming at us to give them our money.

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 0 points1 point  (10 children)

When you register on our marketplace, you are required to enter a key that will keep your private messages encrypted. We cannot read your communications at all, unless we know your key, which is NOT stored in plaintext on the server. Should our server get seized, any adversary would have to go through layers of encryption + decrypt the database.. Should any vendor be compromised, an adversary STILL needs to get the decryption keys to his account. All transactions are purged after 16 days as well, and there is the option to auto-delete your messages after a set date.

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Oops, for some reason I only mentioned private messages. All our funds are backed up regularly into cold storage. In the future, I am looking to hire a few programmers to impliment a multi sign system, but that is out of our reach at the moment.

[–]ohcrapwhat 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Unfortunately I'm not convinced due to two things.

  • If your servers were seized, it would be possible to run a phishing site to gather pins. I'm much more comfortable keeping track of my own keys.

  • You lack multi-sig support which is a personal requirement if I'm going to use a new market.

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Couldn't this happen to any market? Feds setting up phishing sites?

It's OK though, if you are concerned about this, you can tick the box that automatically encrypts your messages with your public PGP key. Then the feds can take your pin and work on cracking your PGP key. You can also reject all messages not PGP'd.

ANd no, we don't have multi-sig support yet. I guess we'll see you here when we have multi-sig then, alright m8?

[–]ohcrapwhat 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I feel like I appeared a bit hostile which was not my goal. I'm all for the creation of new markets, though I feel the technical advancements which you've implemented don't really address the issue that in the end, I don't know your intentions.

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

We simply want to create an alternative marketplace for people that is being operated by a team of people who are not in it for the money.

Our motivation is political, not financial. We aim to enable free trade among users for the betterment of mankind by allowing people to take control of their bodies- something that rightfully belongs to them, not to any government or regulation.

Everyone is free to do whatever they so choose, so long as it does not interfere with anyone else's ability to do the same.

We hope to build trust, because we have NO intention of pulling a sheep, or "getting hacked" as other marketplaces have claimed.

We hope to see you, and others there. Perhaps, join the forums and take part in the discussion.

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Furthermore, there's nothing stopping you from managing your own keys :) We never store any private keys or passwords to your keys. We simply use your public key to PGP encrypt. You could paste anyone's PGP key, and it would use it to encrypt it. (You may not be able to decrypt it, however, hahaha)

Our system is independent of the PGP you also choose to use. It just does it by default, to protect you, the users, in case of anything. Better safe than sorry! -Doctor A

[–]thebudbrokers 0 points1 point  (3 children)

that didn't happen where I put my key?

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It is called a PIN on the registration forum. But it acts as an encryption key.

[–]thebudbrokers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oh ,ok I thought that was for withdrawel ,lol thx

[–]thebudbrokers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

duh and now I find out whereto put my key ,lol the weed is very good

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (14 children)

Supporter but it does look a little sketchy declaring you are not compromised SR admins or mods. I wouldn't have thought you were until you brought it up...

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Hey, thanks for the feedback. In retrospect, it seems as if though you are correct. What spared that comment on my part, was my frustration with the way SR is run. (Just on my part, not the rest of the teams) Scammers on that site are never banned, and for goodness sakes, the moderators don't do anything useful except censor the forums.

Anyways, that's enough ranting about SR2, I just plain don't like it.

We here at RedSun aim to replace defunct marketplaces that only serve to frustrate their customers and further line their operator's pockets with bitcoins.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Sorry my good sir did not mean to be negative. I completely agree with your sentiment, as I have not had one message answered from silk road support and you have been active to answer every question on here and on your site. Just wanted to voice my concern towards an upcoming marketplace, as not to affiliate your service with a dismal site. Really hoping the community will give you a chance as you seem to have a great ideology and site going. Just wanted to warn you that some will read that and say, SR not interested. Thanks for the response and sorry again for being critical, just wanted to let you know how it might sound to an outsider. Will be keeping an eye on your marketplace and am ready to place an order on it when an item catches my eye. Just had to voice my opinion thanks for a honest answer, as it only strengthens my view on your commitment to the cause.

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Thank you very much for your input! It is greatly appreciated. The forums will be up in a few hours, please feel free to sign up there and become a part of the community!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I will definitely join the forums as I am already signed up to the site. I will always sign up to every site, forum, and irc to voice a consumers opinion on the site. I will go as far to say that so far RSM has been responsive and up to date on their site and Reddit. Definitely worth checking out. I will order as soon as I see a listing it like. Would suggest browsing it to every other customer, order at you discretion though! I usally to use a trusted vendor on my first buy to test the interface before using the site on a trusted basis. Send me a link to the forums whenever their up my good sir/madame. Thanks to the creator, for an another viable option to obtaining my medicine. Much love to all my fellow drug users.

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ehh, It may be a bit longer than a few hours for the forums.

For goddness sakes, it's so late, and i've been working on this all day. I'm going to take a nap or something, and fix the forums when i wake up.

[–]InfinitelyOutThere 1 point2 points  (8 children)

I think theyre saying it bc SR2 is such a fiasco and utopia got fucked, but I agree with the sentiment.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Yes not saying that you are connected to SR at all, and from what I have seen you are respectable. Just warning that to others, they might see SR and say no thanks and I wouldn't want RSM to lose any interested parties due to that. Thanks infinte for understanding you seem like a chill mod. Anyway I'm on cloud nine so take that into consideration.

[–]InfinitelyOutThere 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I try and be chill! when you say you're on cloud nine, does that mean you're part of the team? I'm curious to use that market too.

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Be sure to give us a chance as well ;)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Oops did not mean to indicate I am apart of any marketplaces team. Would love to be however I am not tech or intelligent savvy enough to be on the support team of any marketplace. I love and support anyone brave and intelligent enough to set up a darknet service. As a customer I would say to check out every marketplace then decide which one suits your needs best. Definitely inspect what vendors are using as they have the most to lose, and therefore use the most scrutiny when deciding on marketplaces. Choose those which are used by longtime vendors and you shall prosper in drug use:] Best of luck to any vendor and customer on any marketplace that is brave enough to take a stand on the oppression that is the war on drugs. Again not endorsing or hating on any marketplace just voicing my drunk opinion. Thanks for listening I appreciate the conversation my fellow drug user. I support your courage and ideals.

[–]hugsfordrugs 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Not always true though, as many vendors have other aspects in mind aside from security. Many stay vending on SR, although the site is undeniably compromised, because it's easy to make money and is currently FE-only.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You are completely right sir/madame. I should have definitely redefined my description to a marketplace that vendors are willing to engage in escrow. No matter what, things are not always absolute. Just spreading the process that I use when deciding where to send my money, definitely doesn't apply to everyone. Hopefully it can help someone save money. Thanks for anyone reading this, love to engage in conversation to the passion of darknet marketplaces.

[–]roshanhasfallen 4 points5 points  (1 child)

neckbeard

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't really know what that means but I can't grow a beard so touche my friend

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We are especially looking for vendors who sell psychadelics. LSD, DMT, Mushrooms, Mescaline, ect.

Physchadelics are the healing of a planet.

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 0 points1 point  (11 children)

https://minus.com/i/2M9M4UOnl8I0 Snapshot of admin panel viewing recent registrations. Please, people, don't even bothering doing things like this. You will be BANNED ON SIGHT.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

ahh man people are shiesty fucks

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Haha, it made me chuckle a little bit.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Chuckle enough that you'll unban me? ;o

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

No. Why don't you go piss on another market?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Whoa, relax there buddy, it wasn't me, it was just a joke. Whoever did that was a real shitbag.

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You'll have to excuse me, I was up all night, and all of a sudden someone made like 15 accounts like that. Some of them even got ridiculous like LegIT_RedsunAdminISTRATOR Like, who would fall for that anyways?

The Support account is only one, and viewable at the bottom of the page (Where it says support) Support will NEVER initiate a message with you, only reply to the ones you send. Furthermore, the only admin is RedSun, and he probably won't message you either, unless of course, you address him directly. It is reccomended to contact the support team either through the support link at the bottom of the page, or RedSun through the forums.

[–]hugsfordrugs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At least you actually catch that shit. Wasn't it Agora that failed to catch someone who registered an account under something like "Agora_Admin" who was trying to scam users?

[–]thebudbrokers 0 points1 point  (1 child)

going to look now and post a couple products

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sweet! If you're posting bud, as your name implies, we look forward to your listings :)

[–]greenstank 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Is the forum registration page broken? Complains about a missing CAPTCHA but I never see an image or a box to type it into.

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is there no captcha showing at all?

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see the error. Give me a moment to get this fixed. It's simply a caching error.

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Fixed! try registering again!

[–]greenstank 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Keeps timing out for me now. I will try again tomorrow.

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Give your identity a refresh and try again. I'm on it right now.

[–]reddingsanon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The interface reminds me of TorMarket/Sheep a bit too much, though otherwise it looks pretty promising.

[–]RedSunMarket[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea, we're both using the twitter's bootsrap framework. I assure you, us and sheep are not related. (Except for the frontend framework, lol)

We'll be changing this, but I'm not a front end developer, so I'm not too good at this. Once we get a few more knowledgable people on the team, we'll make it look nice.

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