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[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

This. So this. Just admitting to being somewhere, or knowing someone, is often enough to incriminate you. Do not give the cops any information. Let the lawyer do that.

[–]EkafEman42 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just let them arrest you, if they have the evidence then they will. If they don't have the evidence then they will want to talk to you and 'have a chat'

some questions they asked were very tricky 'Do you think you were right?' 'were you angry at what they did?' 'Did you think you were defending yourself?' All these questions are trying to record me saying I was there, I thought I was right.. angry etc. They can charge you with Aggravated Assault because you were angry and wanted revenge or whatever..

Yes they do that all the time. "any reason you were speeding today?" - by answering you've admitted it. "so you've used some speed .... What does it make you feel like? Happy? Less depressed?" - you've just proved you've used drugs and aren't just in possession by accident.

Like I said they'll eat you alive. You're not going to get anything other than court because straight away they'll trap you with a question nailing you to the package. Period.

Get a lawyer. And for fucks sales don't drive under the influence. I remember having car searched and they tried to make me think it was ok to leave. They said fuck off and threw me the keys. After that some people may start the ignition bc they're rattled. In that time you're going to be dragged out and drug tested. If you're in a tough spot: 1. No comment 2. You feel suicidal - they'll section 10 you and then act normal for nurse and they'll release you from hospital thinking the cops did it to you.

[–]42isincorrect 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Cleaning house is actually quite rewarding sometimes as you may find drugs you never knew you lost.

[–]candytheshroomeater 42 points43 points  (3 children)

Be aware that most of these people are from the US and don't know shit about how the Australian police/legal system works. They are doing you a disservice by offering lines straight from TV crime shows. Get some advice from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

[–]NormallyNorman 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Lawyer up!

[–]StuffyKnows2Much -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Destroy Facebook! Smack the gym right in its face!

[–]idefiler6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They are doing you a disservice by offering lines straight from TV crime shows.

Yeah reading through the thread you're just jumping to that conclusion. This looks like real advice by people who have actually dealt with police.

[–]nsgiad 23 points24 points  (0 children)

When a cop says no one is in trouble, someone is definitely in trouble. Get legal counsel and don't say shit.

[–]Unicornblood42 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Obviously they need more information and they want you to dig yourself a hole. Call a lawyer and keep your mouth shut.

[–]aalewis____ 17 points18 points  (1 child)

In this moment I am euphoric. Not because of any illegally ordered drug's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my right to remain silent.

[–]galaxyandspace 3 points4 points  (0 children)

tips fedora

Ewww...

[–]HistorianGray 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Did you take all possible security precautions? i.e. Tails, PGP Was it international, and which site were you using?

[–]drugbandit 3 points4 points  (1 child)

As everyone else has said - do not speak to the police. They will be hoping to get you talking and incriminate yourself. Nothing more than a fishing expedition. Clean house and don't order to that address again.

I wouldn't bother with a lawyer unless they actually arrest you. In which case still do not speak to the police until you have spoken to a lawyer.

[–]NormallyNorman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Might want to have a lawyer lined up before getting arrested if possible.

[–]arbitrarysquid 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Lawyer up

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

telling them anything is giving them evidence. if they could arrest you on what they have, they would have, and the fact that they havent means talking to them can only open that door for them. dont give them the chance.

[–]pinkprincess1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. If they could charge you they would have already.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (12 children)

If they are asking, it means you can say no. Come on dude, it's not that difficult.

Remember, any sort of 'deals' or 'we'll lower your sentence if you cooperate' kinds of things, are NEVER a rush, you can always get back to them, and it's up to the prosecutor, NOT the police.

How did they find out? Did any of your packages not come in (what do you order, how often, what quantity?)?

Consult a lawyer who has specialty in this field, maybe there's some bitcoin advocacy group you could contact in AU for help on this matter.

Remember, don't incriminate yourself. They want to talk to you because they don't have evidence to charge you, so they have to talk to you in order to get you to admit to something stupidly and then charge you. If they had the evidence they needed, they wouldn't be asking your girlfriend, kindly. They have nothing on you, don't change that by talking to the police.

I would not recommend trying to contact the police, but maybe you should, I don't know, but I would strongly advise you tell them you don't recall on any definitive questions, and tell them you want an attorney present.

[–]starfkers[S] 2 points3 points  (11 children)

Everything came, he said they busted one of the dealers from silkroad1, from aus. they said they wanted statements to incriminate him further.

[–]Bagnag 4 points5 points  (2 children)

clean house, don't contact the police, and say you guys have no comment. If they pull you into it, lawyer up. "Better call Saul" at that point.

[–]idefiler6 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dead giveaway that they are looking to bust the shit out of you. Tell them nothing, clean the house of everything incriminating and get a fooking lawyer.

[–]datshafter 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Did you PGP your address on SR1? Guessing not if they turned upto your house? My advice would be to clean your house and get rid of the computer you used to make the order. Like everyone is saying, don't say shit. Don't 'cooperate' with them. They know you ordered from SR, but if they can't prove it then you're fine, right?...

[–]sharpshooter789 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If the vendor saves addresses PGP doesn't necessarily help.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No need to destroy a perfectly good computer, only the HDD/SSD has to be removed...

[–]86cgbrh6uu -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you PGP your address it can still turn up, remember someone has to write the address on the package, if they kept a list of addresses one could show up. Fortunately for this guy they don't have any proof that he bought it, or really any proof that they shipped it. If something like this ever went to court, blackmail would come up, a dealer knows he's getting bused so he writes down a bunch of addresses in hopes of getting others in trouble. It would never stand up. This dude will be fine. I'm sure they're more concerned with the dealer anyway. I would just politely say that I have no comment on the situation and that I'm not looking to get involved with a case that I know nothing about.

[–]gsfduh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you know what vendor it could have been?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, but police don't need to be honest to make you incriminate yourself. If they really wanted statements to incriminate someone else, you would have a subpoena to be a witness, coming from the court or the prosecutor. That is not what the police do.

Now, the police can talk to someone in the course of an investigation of something, but it sounds pretty clearly that they already got their man (if what they say is true, which it usually isn't).

They just want statements for you to incriminate yourself. Come on dude.

REMEMBER, police don't make deals, that's what prosecutors do.

[–]stickchewer 1 point2 points  (4 children)

All they probably have is a package addressed to you, and they are fishing, hoping you will say shit.

As with the other 15 posters:

No comment, no comment, no comment, I would like to speak to a legal representative please, no comment. Do you smell bacon? No comment.

[–]EkafEman42 5 points6 points  (3 children)

No comment, no comment, no comment, I would like to speak to a legal representative please, no comment. Do you smell bacon? No comment.

Don't do that. The police in Australia put that in their notes and label uncooperative. Do not do a thing. Don't act like you're innocent and volunteer to clear things up. You know the game and so do they. You're too busy and your girlfriend forgot to tell you and she lost the card they left. They'll come back and you're not going to flaunt a lawyer or be cocky. You're going to have an iPhone recording and ready for when they knock. Period. I'm an Aussie and I know how they operate.

[–]stickchewer 1 point2 points  (2 children)

the smell bacon comment was a joke, but the rest stands- you don't comment on fucking anything, and you make it clear you are willing to lawyer up.

[–]EkafEman42 0 points1 point  (1 child)

the smell bacon comment was a joke, but the rest stands- you don't comment on fucking anything, and you make it clear you are willing to lawyer up.

I got caught once with speed .5g and was arrogant as hell. Here's another tip most ppl don't think of. If is no comment you can't selectively answer questions ie answering questions besides your name and address eg "how long have you lived at that address?" or "is the car in your name?" means you're seen as selectively avoiding questions. It's all or none.

[–]stickchewer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The idea behind no comment allows you to delay everything until you have spoken to legal advice, from there you answer questions with that advice. It's not arrogant, it's your legal right, and yes its going to piss off the police- because it works at keeping you safe, and there isn't a fucking thing they can do.

Most people who talk to police, talk themselves into more trouble, and they love that because it makes the job easy. Souce? my dad was a cop, and told me even if I haven't done anything wrong, to clam up and not talk until you have a solicitor.

[–]aircoft 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Ok, I should start by saying that I live in the United States and do not know much about Australia law, so I am speaking based my knowledge and understanding of U.S. law. Keep this in mind.

First off, here's what I think happened: a seller on a Dark Net site, such as the Silk Road (https://silkroad6ownowfk.onion.to/), somehow got busted by law enforcement, and in order to lower their sentence or help themself in any way, legally speaking, they were told that they have to give out information relating to their crime, such as the names, addresses, and other contact information of people that they have done illegal business with, and I'm assuming that the person that you bought stuff from online just handed over to law enforcement a list of all of their customers and whatnot, which included your address (if they shipped stuff to you in the past), and now the police are trying to catch these people and arrest them and charge them, etc..

Now, my advice to you about the police coming to your house situation: NEVER IDENTIFY YOURSELF TO LAW ENFORCEMENT (including name, phone number, address, e-mail address, where you work and/or go to school, license plate number, Social Security number, driver's license number, etc.). This is very important, however, like I mentioned, I'm not familiar with Australia law, but I know in the U.S. you can legally deny any information and just remain silent whenever you want (under the fifth amendment to the United States Constitution). If you do have to speak, legally, then I would suggest denying any possible illegal activity, and do not release any information about what you have purchased online, especially from any Dark Net-type of site. Now, although some things are legal to do (such as not speaking here in the U.S.) doesn't mean the police won't lie to you and try to make you think there are laws that don't exist, or that laws that actually do exist, don't exist; this has happened to me personally when a cop told me that he had the right to search my car when in fact I knew he didn't. I refused any searches, and although it caused a whole hassle that lasted about 30 minutes, and another cop was brought to the scene, I got off without them searching my car and they never found the quarter-pound of marijuana under my car's back seat, along with a scale, lots of zip-lock bags, etc.. Anyways, make sure to study your local laws and any laws that might affect you and your current situation. This is very important as well, because knowledge of your laws will help you better understand what you can and can't legally do, say, and get away with. For example, if you find out that you too have the right to remain silent like we have here in the United States, that would likely be literally all you would need to get off worry-free, without any consequences. Avoid contact with them at all costs. Look through your door's peep-hole (if your door has one) and don't answer for anyone who you aren't expecting or don't know, especially law enforcement. In the U.S. at least, this is not illegal. Absolutely do not let them inside your home; no searches, no confiscations, none of that shit. If you get calls from people that you do not know, or you suspect them to be law enforcement, don't answer. If you do answer a call from law enforcement, you can always just hang up without saying anything; let them speak first. Lay low for a while. Keep windows and curtains closed, be especially observant and aware of your surroundings, and although you don't want to be paranoid, it's best to be aware of your surroundings (especially in your current situation) than ignore them and pretend everything is perfect. You shouldn't have to turn your whole life upside-down trying to avoid them, but you should take the necessary precautions before proceeding with your life. And if they really said "no one was in trouble", that's a huge scare right then; why would they be there if no one was in trouble? They don't just randomly show up at people's homes and question them if someone's not in trouble....

Well, that's about all the advice I can give. I am no professional, just a U.S. citizen who breaks the law multiple times daily and doesn't like getting caught, so I have learned a lot of things that may help in situations similar to the one you are in. I hope all goes well with you and your situation, and I would love to hear back about what happens with the whole thing.

Take care.

[–]86cgbrh6uu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good stuff. Most likely they have a LONG list of addresses that they're going to. My thinking is that they're trying to get quick confessions to either bust people or help their case. If you put up a stink and let them know they're not going to get information, you know your rights, etc. they aren't going to bother you. They'll just move on to the next address and try to bust that person. They don't care about a legal case with you, just want a quick confession is all.

[–]elburritoh -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Is that link legit?

[–]aircoft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea it is, it's the current link to Silk Road 2.0.

[–]ToiletSniffer1992 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unless they can prove you clicked the order button just deny it until they go away

[–]pinkprincess1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not in australia but if nobody was in trouble or going to be in trouble they wouldn't be asking for a statement. Don't do it.

[–]InfinitelyOutThere 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Lawyer up and dont say SHIT without the lawyer. If they ask you questions just say you'd like to wait for your attorney as he's advised you to sit tight for him.

[–]UndefinedExperience 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems kinda sketchy to me that they would ask and leave. I am not from Australia so I can not speak honestly like I know the way the law works and how the police operate down there. However, my view on this is you should be fine. If they would of seized a package or had any legitimate proof you were ordering drugs you would be in handcuffs and they would not have left. Deny Deny Deny.

[–]sharpshooter789 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not Australian, but you may want to seek a lawyer or solicitor and seek out their advice. They will help more than anyone here.

[–]Biglee2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Say absolutely nothing!! Man what are you still doing there!! Get the hell out fast!! Far away from there!

[–]space_dolphins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

completely unrelated - as in this is how you deal with Americano Policia - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG4CRNXSYj0#t=284

[–]Deiius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

how much of what did you order?

[–]aircoft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any updates? Have you heard anything from law enforcement?

[–]select1on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

any update?

[–]EkafEman42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im from Australia, the police just turned up at my house and asked my girlfriend to let me know that they need a statement from me regarding some purchases I have made online. He said no one was in trouble, but obviously I feel a little anxious.

Yes they are your friends. You're not in trouble. Yet. They just need a statement because some people are silly enough to have to ask on reddit what to do. Luckily it's not the AFP. Police only ask for a statement for good reason. They certainly don't visit to let you know you're not in trouble and are there for a chat. Do not acknowledge the visit. Clean house and and for Christ's sake think before you ask on the Internet.

[–]I_Slay_Puss_666 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

FUCK THE POLICE. FUCK EM!!!!!!

[–]madcuntmcgee -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

You don't know what they are talking about, and if they want to discuss it further i.e. come down to the station please sir, you no comment their asses into the abyss and talk to your lawyer, explaining to him/her how these markets work and whether you have made yourself vulnerable or not, like if you didnt use pgp once or something.

[–]EkafEman42 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

You don't know what they are talking about, and if they want to discuss it further i.e. come down to the station please sir, you no comment their asses into the abyss and talk to your lawyer, explaining to him/her how these markets work and whether you have made yourself vulnerable or not, like if you didnt use pgp once or something.

You don't pull that lawyer shit here. They'll make your life hell. Antagonise these guys and they'll pull you up on traffic offences and search your car every time you go out and they see you. In Australia they can search your car without a dog or warrant - reasonable justification means they just say "he was swerving so we breathalized him and bc no alcohol present tested for drugs bc dilated pupils and still showed no drugs after test so had to search to be sure". Get a lawyer but don't be arrogant. The fact you're asking on reddit means they'll have you dead to rights within a nanosecond bc they're very good at knowing the law. You're not.

[–]madcuntmcgee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i know this already, i come from australia too. but I think you're being pessimistic about how much of a cunt most cops are. I'm not saying be arrogant, just say no comment until you receive legal advice. It makes perfect sense and you have every right to do so. and what is the alternative, incriminate yourself by having a conversation with the police officer? staying silent seems like the best solution to me.

[–]sharpshooter789 0 points1 point  (2 children)

In the US the cops don't need a warrant to search a car either.

[–]EkafEman42 0 points1 point  (1 child)

In the US the cops don't need a warrant to search a car either.

What? They need permission or a dog though yes?

[–]sharpshooter789 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They just need "probable cause" that's there is something illegal in ones car. Its up to their discretion basically.

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