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[–]LongLiveThe_King 5 points6 points  (7 children)

First off, you need to provide some kind of proof or at least go into more detail.

Secondly, you are obviously using shills in that thread which makes me question your motives.

Edit: Or not, fucked if I know. I guess they'll stay up.

[–]throwaway-43876[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

First off?

First off, I have to question your motives as a moderator for leaving their sale post up in DarkNetDeals when it's obvious something is wrong. That's whether you believe me or not.

Secondly, what if someone doesn't bother to read the comments in that thread or thinks the negative comments are fake and does business with them? You could have prevented that.

But no, instead you accuse me of being one of them or some shill and not a victim. Nice. Makes me question who's really behind all these darknet reddits. You'd have to be crazy to think I'd attempt to validate myself to you.

I'm 100% sure a lot of other people will start to report in about them and what happened to them. Mark my words. Then you can take your "you are obviously using shills" accusation and shove it up your you know what.

[–]LongLiveThe_King 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Hey look at that. You have added no information and have only been rude to me.

I'm not removing posts about this vendor because I need some proof before I just censor a vendor. If all it took was a few baseless claims then hostile vendors would shill here all the time.

But no, instead you accuse me of being one of them or some shill and not a victim.

Maybe you shouldn't shill then ...

Nice. Makes me question who's really behind all these darknet reddits.

Don't you even fucking go there. The people that run these subreddits are some of nicest and most dedicated Redditors I have ever conversed with.

I'm 100% sure a lot of other people will start to report in about them and what happened to them.

Maybe so, and when they prove their claims I will believe them.

[–]throwaway-43876[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rude? You bet. I give as good as I get. You accused of shilling, yet offered no proof. Your "obviously shilling" turned into "Or not, fucked if I know." You should have just edited out the entire shilling bit since you realized that you couldn't back it up. And sure, you could turn that around on me and said since I didn't back up my claim, I shouldn't have posted it. The difference here is that I actually can back up what I said but there's a very real disincentive for me not to right now. One I hope you can appreciate. And the vendor can always counter my claim against them. But they haven't countered anyone's claims against them. Not once. Ever wonder why that is? Instead alleged buyers come to their defense. So passionately too. I finally know why.

I'll give you the point on not removing posts because hostile vendors could make stuff up. But don't be so dismissive of warnings in the future.

And I disagree about some who moderate these darknet market related subreddits being good people. Other, run of the mill subreddits, sure. But having the benefit of hindsight given the predicament I'm in, I recall seeing moderators of some of these darknet related subreddits removing warning posts that could have protected people. In fact it seems that the more "proof" the person warning provided, the more likely their posts would be removed. The persons who warned were vindicated in the end because they were right after all. Some of the mods of these subreddits are affiliated with one or more of the markets whose subreddit they moderate. Usually as mods of the market's forum. Some are vendors themselves. That's an inherent conflict of interest all around. Maybe not always. But when it comes to protecting against a "panic" or negative publicity, they sweep in and delete posts.

Yep, I'm angry and disillusioned and it's showing. I'm mostly angry at myself because I saw all these warning signs but ignored them like the dumbass I am. I trusted in ideas instead of what was right in front of my eyes the whole fucking time. And now I'm fucked. I fucked myself. I literally can't blame anyone but myself because everyone else was just doing as they do.

So you know what? Like you, I'll end with a oh well fuck 'em attitude. Because really, what can you do? Scammers and LE abound. It's all a big game of whack a mole anyway. And a sucker is literally born everyday. I'm proof.

Forgive my rudeness. It was a last gasp and grapple before settling into my fate. What the hell was my crime? Really can anyone tell me? Who did I really harm? Fuck the authority. They don't own me or my life. I won't let them have the satisfaction of taking away my life and my freedom. The only one who will be doing that is me. And when they come to collect my corpse, I hope they ask themselves if they were really doing the right thing. Was it worth it to ruin someone's life over some pills that they put into their own body to take away the pain and hardness of life? Will they ask themselves, this could have been my son or my brother or my best friend when the look down on my lifeless body? Will their badges still sparkle? Will their guns and their papers still give them a sense of authority? Will they look at their laws and their statutes and still think them righteous?

Or will realize that they took a life when they showed no mercy, no amnesty?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

We're not going to immediately jump to your side because based on what you've presented; the refs will confirm/deny any kind of extra-judicial activity, although... Pistons are up by six with just two minutes to go in the 3rd quarter...

Edit: What marketplace and which vendor did this take place on?

[–]throwaway-43876[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Which vendor and market? You can't seriously be asking that question.

See the thread title, OP and the link that was there from the get go.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I didn't see which market it was referring to. Either way sounds like this person may have become a honeypot which is intriguing because usually LE is interested in moving up the supply chain, not down.

[–]drugfather 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True. But like on the street they bust down the chain and sideways. A collar is a collar. And since they can't stop vendors and markets from popping up, they probably want to make as many people afraid to use these markets and online buying as they can. Look at the impact scammers have had on the markets since Sheep. Add in LE pinching anything that moves and you got a full circle of mistrust.

[–]InfinitelyOutThere 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah this is fucked. I dunno if this is real but this is very scary if so. I'd like a little proof but I realize you don't wanna doxx yourself.

[–]someone171717 2 points3 points  (6 children)

LE does have control of their safe-mail account! They told me it will be much easier for me if i cooperated.....I ordered but never received anything. Not sure what is going to happen. Can they charge me if nothing was actually sent?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

some vendors use that as a scam to take your money and not send you shit

[–]someone171717 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'd be thrilled if I only got scammed! Better than the alternative.....

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

cuase the cops dont email asking you to cooperate, they do it in preson ya kno

[–]throwaway-43876[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Cops may not since they don't have jurisdiction. But FEDs might if they have you dead to rights. Feds have jurisdiction everywhere. Before what happened to me happened, the questions were very leading and sometimes were not even encrypted. I thought it might be because they were so busy with customers that they didn't have the time to encrypt. And when I was asked for my phone number, I thought it was asked for, for the same reason of them being too busy that a call would be quicker. But I didn't give my number and was sketched out by the request. There's a part of me that wishes I had maybe found out what they wanted. I should have asked for their number.

[–]someone171717 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Quick question.....did you actually receive anything? I haven't so I'm hoping I'm in the clear.....I mean what could they charge me with?

[–]throwaway-43876[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Since you sent money to buy drugs, you're still violating some title 21 clause. It's just like if you were trying to buy a nuke, sent money to the contact, but got arrested before you took possession. I think it's called conspiracy. And in your case, they can add on another charge on top of that if the amount you were trying to buy can be considered enough to distribute. That charge is called conspiracy to distribute.

I wish you the best and I hope that what happened to me doesn't happen to you. Warn others if you can and feel safe doing so. You probably won't be believed. I mean look at how many warnings were out there about so many markets and vendors and in the end, the warnings were all true. People just don't want to believe it will happen to them. I didn't.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sorry if this a noob question, what is the LE?

[–]Otzil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Law Enforcement

[–]sohhlz 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Well, if PillBoxy were LE or busted and cooperating, PGP wouldn't matter, because they already have the private key, so they can decrypt any messages encrypted to them, as expected.

I really wish you would go into details, unless it would weigh against you in an upcoming legal case.

[–]throwaway-43876[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Give me a list of information you'd like to see and more importantly, believe?

But you are absolutely correct about PGP. What I was shown in the interrogation was all the correspondence that was sent encrypted. Bitcoin trail was tracked back to the Coinbase wallet it originally came from and being KYC'd was the icing on the cake for them. KYC = Know your customer or client. It's how you get verified by sending in information which identifies you and validates who you say you are. Mixing didn't seem to have any material affect on the trail. I guess once they know the endpoint side of the trail, they can find the rest of it.

Some things you might want to know you can probably fill in the blanks using the info above. I won't post dates, what was allegedly bought, how many supposed times I allegedly did business with PillBoxy, what state I'm from, or age.

I'm responding to you because you seem to be one of the few with enough intelligence and courtesy to at least give me the benefit of the doubt.

[–]sohhlz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Wow. That's some really bad news. I'm sorry that this has happened to you. It sounds like law enforcement is really stepping up their game. Who were these guys? DEA? FBI? Were you arrested? Are you out on bail? Don't admit to any wrong doing in these threads. If you feel you can safely answer these questions, I think that everyone would be very interested, but please don't say anything that could jeopardize you in any future case. You should probably only be talking to your lawyer at this point. The information will come out eventually and you have at least warned us.

[–]throwaway-43876[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yep, arrested and out on bail. Those involved include FBI and DEA. Mostly DEA. They will be the ones filing the criminal complaint.

Yeah, their game is stepped up in the worse way. The little guy isn't safe anymore. Don't buy into the idea that the small time buyer is safe. They are using little guys to get bigger guys and smaller guys. And they don't give a shit because it's not costing them as much as some may have thought. It's like a disease they are spreading. They catch one guy, they use him to catch another, and then that guy catches another and so on and so forth. Who the hell knows when they think it's time to contain and sweep up the slam dunks. Everyone is low hanging fruit to them. What the hell can be done with regards to protection when they already defeated it before a buyer even buys? They can't buy or sell drugs legally. But they can use cooperating defendants (CDs, aka busted dealers) and confidential informants (CIs) to do it for them through compulsion and coercion by offering them deals. Carrot and stick.

It's like living in East Berlin before the wall came down.

[–]drugfather 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could have sworn I just saw a very disturbing post made by the the OP. I was about to respond to it. What happened to it? And what happened to the opening post? Jesus, he was right about the moderation.

Throwaway guy, if you're still around brother, think about what you're about to do. Things always look worse than they really are at first. Trust me. Been there. A decent lawyer can do wonders for your case. I'm not even talking about a high priced one. I mean decent as in $350 to $500 an hour. Don't assume the worst. Lots of people do drugs. You might feel shame and embarrassment, but you shouldn't. Like you said, life is tough. People use and do all kinds of things to take the edge off brother. Think about your family. What do you think they will do if you follow through? They will blame themselves for the rest of their lives. So ask for help. They love you. They will give love to you. You're an addict. It's not you who got yourself into trouble. The drugs clouded your judgement bro. They made you ignore the warnings. They make you betray yourself. A lawyer can use that excuse for your case because it's a medical fact.

Bro please, don't do that. Send me a PM or something. It's the drugs man. Think about your life before the drugs. The old you is still in there. He wouldn't do this. Come on bro.


I found his post on his profile. Not sure why it's not showing up on here. But it is troubling and why this war on drugs has to stop. I tried to reach out to him but he hasn't responded back:

Posted by throwaway-43876

Rude? You bet. I give as good as I get. You accused of shilling, yet offered no proof. Your "obviously shilling" turned into "Or not, fucked if I know." You should have just edited out the entire shilling bit since you realized that you couldn't back it up. And sure, you could turn that around on me and said since I didn't back up my claim, I shouldn't have posted it. The difference here is that I actually can back up what I said but there's a very real disincentive for me not to right now. One I hope you can appreciate. And the vendor can always counter my claim against them. But they haven't countered anyone's claims against them. Not once. Ever wonder why that is? Instead alleged buyers come to their defense. So passionately too. I finally know why.

I'll give you the point on not removing posts because hostile vendors could make stuff up. But don't be so dismissive of warnings in the future.

And I disagree about some who moderate these darknet market related subreddits being good people. Other, run of the mill subreddits, sure. But having the benefit of hindsight given the predicament I'm in, I recall seeing moderators of some of these darknet related subreddits removing warning posts that could have protected people. In fact it seems that the more "proof" the person warning provided, the more likely their posts would be removed. The persons who warned were vindicated in the end because they were right after all. Some of the mods of these subreddits are affiliated with one or more of the markets whose subreddit they moderate. Usually as mods of the market's forum. Some are vendors themselves. That's an inherent conflict of interest all around. Maybe not always. But when it comes to protecting against a "panic" or negative publicity, they sweep in and delete posts.

Yep, I'm angry and disillusioned and it's showing. I'm mostly angry at myself because I saw all these warning signs but ignored them like the dumbass I am. I trusted in ideas instead of what was right in front of my eyes the whole fucking time. And now I'm fucked. I fucked myself. I literally can't blame anyone but myself because everyone else was just doing as they do.

So you know what? Like you, I'll end with a oh well fuck 'em attitude. Because really, what can you do? Scammers and LE abound. It's all a big game of whack a mole anyway. And a sucker is literally born everyday. I'm proof.

Forgive my rudeness. It was a last gasp and grapple before settling into my fate. What the hell was my crime? Really can anyone tell me? Who did I really harm? Fuck the authority. They don't own me or my life. I won't let them have the satisfaction of taking away my life and my freedom. The only one who will be doing that is me. And when they come to collect my corpse, I hope they ask themselves if they were really doing the right thing. Was it worth it to ruin someone's life over some pills that they put into their own body to take away the pain and hardness of life? Will they ask themselves, this could have been my son or my brother or my best friend when the look down on my lifeless body? Will their badges still sparkle? Will their guns and their papers still give them a sense of authority? Will they look at their laws and their statutes and still think them righteous?

Or will realize that they took a life when they showed no mercy, no amnesty?


Don't know why this or the opening post were removed. Removing it only proves his point about censorship.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

OP makes claim, and then doesn't bother to respond. Huh.

This doesn't mean anything without some kind of proof. Telling people "I was arrested" shouldn't hurt your case. Like... at all.

[–]throwaway-43876[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You should know new reddit accounts can't post every minute just to satisfy your sarcastic curiosity about someone's real life ordeal. Not that you'd really give a shit. It's just entertainment for you isn't it?

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