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[–]Gomba1 139 points140 points  (54 children)

Can someone please explain to me in simple words the bottom line of this?

Lets say you tracked all hes wallets after all the tumbling and everything... and you have the final destination address.

how does that help?

[–]kyerussell 92 points93 points  (41 children)

Literally upvoted for visibility.

It seems that this subreddit is full of people that don't understand the fundamentals of bitcoin and somehow think that this'll result in people getting their money back.

It won't.

That's the point of bitcoin.

You can make (tongue-in-cheek) analogies about moving trains and what have you, but in the end you're just throwing bitcoin around under the false understanding that it'll result in anything happening.

You aren't going to get anything back. None of you are going to get anything back, and it's by design. This is EXACTLY how Bitcoin is supposed to work. Bitcoin would be fundamentally broken if you somehow got your money back.

It seems like a lot of people in this subreddit are just looking for some action and aren't actually thinking about this properly.

[–]throwawayhay121 51 points52 points  (8 children)

Noones getting their money back, however if the guy is successfully traced......Well people who've lost more than most of us will probably go and have a "chat" with him.

It'll probably end in blood and more people on the run, its not going to be pretty thats for sure.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (7 children)

Such tracing involves guesswork and can give less than accurate results.

I wouldn't be surprised if the wrong people became the target of retribution. All it takes is for an innocent to tumble his coins and be "traced" by vigilantes.

[–]throwawayhay121 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Indeed, it is worrisome, even this tomas may be innocent, wont matter to bad people though :-/

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tomas

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    [–]TempUser420 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Where did you start?

    [–]Mulcero -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    You guys you are fucking idiots!

    Nobody is getting their money back no-matter what happens. If guys like you are able to hunt the thief down so is police. Or do you think they are not doing it because nobody filed a police report :-). And I'm almost 100% sure police will find him. Stealing 100 million (or what ever amount it was) is a lot easier than to laundry it. They are not able to do it but they will definitely try. And when they do, police will find them.

    Your money is gone and there is nothing what you can do about it anymore. So just get use to it! And you better hope it's not gonna get any worse than it is. When police finds the thief, he is going to co-operate with them and hands all the info he has on you to them :-).

    [–]anti_body 13 points14 points  (10 children)

    i don't think it's about trying to get their money back. it's more about tracing the culprit that stole the money so he doesn't get away with it (cash out)

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      [–]Gomba1 1 point2 points  (8 children)

      Now Yeah to my question again, could you explain how will it exactly stop him from cashing out?...

      Im pretty sure he wont try cashing out trough one of the known exchanges so you could recognize, more likely trough making purchases or investments to launder the BTC.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

      Going through an exchange is pretty much the perfect laundering method.

      All you have to do is transfer it in there, then slowly withdraw it to other wallets. Then put some back in in a few months or whatever when you want to sell them.

      [–]Gomba1 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      onths or whatever when you want to sell them.

      Yeah but than again you have the problem that you can be traced if you have been followed.

      [–]scandinavian- 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      How? If he put some into an exchange, waits some time, withdraws to a bunch of different wallet, who would be able to trace this other than the owners of the exchange?

      [–]Gomba1 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Exactly! and thats one person too much, since everyone known who are the owners of the exchange, he would not want that.

      [–]scandinavian- 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      So you think that the owner would sell him out and lose all credibility?

      [–]FP444 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      IMO he is using Satoshi Dice as a laundering system.

      [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (15 children)

      He only snagged .05 of a BTC from me. Not a large sum by any means.

      But, I don't mind lending a hand to those who lost much more than I did.

      The people may not get their BTC back, but when provided the identity of the perpetrator, hell will rain and blood will be spilled.

      And some cryptology may be applied to decrypt his wallet passwords.

      [–]therein 8 points9 points  (3 children)

      Yeah. I dont think anyone is getting their BTC back. Even if someone traces this guy back, finds him and gets the private keys to his wallet, do you really think that the guy who tracked the admin down will make a conscious effort to send these Bitcoins back to their owners? No, he will just keep them to himself. I guess justice would still be served. But as harsh as it sounds, those Bitcoins are as good as gone.

      [–]gmac3001 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      Yep, he tracked this guy for hours staring at his laptop screen, THEN he made a reddit post telling everyone it was him that tracked him. If he even manages to get the 96000 BTC there is no way for him to keep them. He would probably send them back to the website and then let them redistribute (I'm sure there is a way to do that with the public block chain , tedious but possible)

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        [–]gmac3001 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        It will probably actually end with this guy dying, but all the same.

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        [–]drgameit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        What just happened?

        [–]TempUser420 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        someone posted a link to an xkcd comic then a bot came along looking for xkcd links and found this one and posted information about the link.

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          [–]memumama 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          If nothing else, the funds could be directed to a good cause that accepts btc.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I'm not entirely sure. That's a pretty good question.

          [–]AndroidHelp 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          I lost 10BTC to this (and 10BTC to a failed hard drive and failed backup drive)

          I'm done with bitcoin.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          You seriously didn't have a back-up? I make a back-up of a wallet the moment I get it...

          And why would you have a ton of money on a new marketplace?

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          yay murder!

          [–]mrsean2k 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          It's unlikely to get anyone their money back, but determined following may prove a deterrent to anyone else considering a similar trick.

          [–]Randyy1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Hah all the people that jumped the bandwagon and bought their bitcoins more recently for $1k+...

          [–]Capitalmind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          That's a good point but not completely accurate. The funds can remain anonymous in the system but if this is tracked properly, when the coins are cashed out, they can be picked up on. An exchange 'could' flag it, though this is early days. If a localbitcoins user came to me with market coins, I'd have them arrested. They may be able to use a patsy or smurf the funds but in principle it is possible to catch a thief.

          [–]Gomba1 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          So my question was right i guess? :)

          [–]kyerussell -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Completely.

          [–]redditisgay 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I made an attempt to explain the end result of all this in non tech terms above. As of now, it doesn't "help" get the money back...unless some insane solution is created as a one off, the previous records of the money's ownership are realistically gone with the money.

          If he apologized now and gave it back, claiming it wouldn't be possible for lots of people, and it would take Neo himself to recreate any remotely accurate record of account size and ownership. Also, it's money that had some involvement with drugs, and for that reason alone the majority of it wouldn't be something that could be claimed if a solution existed.

          But - what this really means is that this Tomas guy has the entire world hunting him (and dropping notes in his pocket multiple times and hour) forever. I'd give less than a 1% chance that he'll ever have a chance to even try to remove himself from this predictament because of how many people are seriously vested in what he took.

          [–]Ashlir 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Eventually it will hopefully prove these coins were stolen by the feds.

          [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          No, we don't know the bottom line. this is all new

          [–]Gomba1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          know the bottom line. this is all new

          Let me ask in another way, what do you believe / want that the bottom line will be?

          You are putting a lot of effort into this, there must be something that you want to achieve by it?

          [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 19 points20 points  (2 children)

          Good point, well-made. His coins were only mixing with themselves

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            [–]voodah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            While technichally possible, he would've tanked LTC (and any other crypto) doing that, losing some/most of the money in the process.

            [–]bitcoinperson54321 5 points6 points  (7 children)

            Why couldn't fog work to mix 96K btc as long as he sent them in smaller batches over time? Then sending the outputs from each batch to a separate address.

            [–]bitcoinperson54321 4 points5 points  (5 children)

            I wasn't suggesting just moving the coins to new addresses - I was asking why he couldn't send them to bitcoin fog in small batches? Each batch would be small enough to get other's bitcoins out of fog, anonymizing the batch. If fog can effectively anonymize a small amount in a given day, couldn't they anonymize a larger amount over many days?

            [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            A year is no time at all when 96k BTC is on the line...

            [–]dogfish182 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            then he's a dumbass thief. how many mixers are there? If he set up 4 'endgame' wallets and did that 292/4 and had some patience, wouldn't he effectively have 4 wallets with 'clean' coin? Scale up in terms of wallets/tumblers to as many are as available?

            [–]bitcoinperson54321 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Interesting. So how is the chase going? Are you documenting it anywhere?

            By the way I find your silk road page to be really interesting and thorough and I love to see new information as you add it but the page is really long at this point and whenever I go back there is no way to know to know what you've added without reading through the entire thing to see if anything has changed. Is there any other way you could write what's new or modified when you have new information other than to update so people could stay on top of your developments?

            [–]codemonkey985 38 points39 points  (0 children)

            I don't even see the code. All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead...

            [–]gravygad 14 points15 points  (1 child)

            I feel like I'm reading a Gibson story published in 2013.

            [–]Eyes_off_Screen_5Min 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            I was thinking the same exact thing! I've read worse scifi!

            [–]CoinSheep 16 points17 points  (5 children)

            I never used SMP but since this theft is so huge and I hate scammers, I'll join the party.

            I'll run some more taint analysis later but for now alot of the mixed funds ended up here: https://blockchain.info/address/1HZo14xXKRrzt1H3o6PpQBvPJbtbR4KFe2 https://blockchain.info/address/196NKcmzh3BvmR4zuvZQEZhTMdyhdQEXBs https://blockchain.info/address/13w6ULRPPWYq2YCY833tmM5dRPg26z2An9

            People should really stop fucking around with the internets.. let's catch this fucker!

            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

            That's a good day's work you did there - you just found $3M.

            I stuck a 666 on them. To see where I've been putting these 666s, heres the blockchain from my wallet. One or two of the 666s were to thank people,like the first person to sens an insult (I know,I didn't think it through)

            THIS is the input to his tumbling service, https://blockchain.info/address/174psvzt77NgEC373xSZWm9gYXqz4sTJjn

            and this is my wallet used form marking a 666 on the cash piles. And scaring him!

            https://blockchain.info/address/1AhYNAoMxDPD7bnNvxuSY9FB1CDviEuqzZ

            [–]CoinSheep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Thanks I'll look in to it further. Here's another $4M: https://blockchain.info/address/19mfTX5NpwwYjLqbAM8BQAxsNgfd7GESc5

            [–]Azr79 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I heard about this story just today, yesterday I was watching "recent transactions" on blockchain just for fun to see what mount of btc transits in the world, and I was seeing abnormally big amount of money, one of them was this $3M not sure if it's your guy but worth taking a look: https://blockchain.info/address/18qp26pmLZk9nzeLXhwKz9rhrzyrVCjS2L

            [–]throwaway_Ia7teila 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            174psvzt77NgEC373xSZWm9gYXqz4sTJjn

            That is a btc-e address. I know because a friend's coins ended up there upon being deposited in his btc-e account.

            Perhaps they'd be interested in helping with this crimefighting effort? (joke)

            [–]ganey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Ive got this far https://blockchain.info/address/17MiNugR9ZT28PY5cEYituMsMUcdLF6MKN

            if you got back and forward and around abit, the amounts keep regrouping.

            [–]LivingInHope 11 points12 points  (0 children)

            You chasers are fucking legends

            even if you don't snare, you tried, and that counts for a lot

            keep it up and keep us informed, wish there was something i could do but don't have the knows.

            great work

            [–]accountt1234 32 points33 points  (0 children)

            This is some grade A cyberpunk shit right here.

            [–]Fluid_Motion 13 points14 points  (10 children)

            hes tumbling again.

            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 28 points29 points  (9 children)

            I noticed that earlier. But he doesn't get it.

            He has 1% of the world's bitcoin. He likes neat whole numbers. When tiny fractions suddenly appear, its obvious he's tumbling them. nearly all the pants in the washing machine are his, so sheep swag mixes with sheep swag,and comes out looking like...er, sheep swag.

            Then, he just combines it back together into the same sized lump!

            Bitcoin fog has a limit to its number of input and output addresses. he's using that limit.

            Tumbling is to hide the ORIGIN of a bitcoin. If you know its origin before it tumbles (which we know), tumbling does nothing.

            His only other option is to hope we forget, or he outlives us.

            This is as new to him as it is to us. He hasn't got a gang of hard men driving vans and laundering money through bureau de change or casinos,he's just a scared guy who can't tell his friends what he does for a living, sitting in front of a laptop with the multibit client on it, and a few mobiles with shared wallet addresses.

            He's probably scared and wished he only had 100 bitcoins. His laptop hard drive is worth millions. Every day he spends another $3million, tumbling his bitcoin with his bitcoin.

            There's no guidebook to this, no precedent, and its probably the largest heist in history. his trader is the weak point,because the trader will only sell, and never buy.#

            He has to be that pro trader who is a few pence cheapest to get ALL the business.

            [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

            I really really don't know anything about what you're doing, so keep at it, but I was just wondering whether it could be a bad thing to point out all of his mistakes like you're doing instead of just exploiting them?

            [–]TheNodManOut 6 points7 points  (2 children)

            If someone can give us a better idea as to exploiting this I'm open to suggestions

            [–]Fluid_Motion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            he transfered 2,000 BTC earlier today out of his huge wallet, hes transfered it to about 20 other wallest so far, here it is recently.

            https://blockchain.info/address/1JcbCppjS417xTucuCSMvVWCtPzvSZjegk

            [–]ColdHard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            you need the assistance of a telco

            [–]bbbbbubble 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            If I were him, I would just send 95.4563kBTC to a brainwallet, send 0.5437 kBTC through a tumbler, tumble again, and then use it. Then, just use the 95.4 kBTC as needed using the same technique.

            I would certainly not attempt to liquidate any of it in the near future.

            I would also move to a tropical island.

            [–]adeadhead 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            If so, why wouldn't he just store his trove on an external drive and sit on it for a while? Why does he need to keep actively moving it?

            [–]rupertbear10 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I was thinking the same thing

            [–]jumbalia_prone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            So, if he's going to need to try localbitcoin to get some cash, should we poison the well?

            [–]gritsorgtfo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Every day he spends another $3million, tumbling his bitcoin with his bitcoin.

            Wow, bitcoinfog must be loving this guy.

            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 176 points177 points  (81 children)

            I hope you appreciate what i just did for us. I'm not entirely sure, but I don't think anybody has beaten a tumbler before today.

            Its like running a marathon through fog, listening for the footsteps of other runners. It helps if there are 96,000 of them, though! The FBI only got 29,000 of our coins. This guy is good, but he's on his last legs. If he can sell a single bitcoin, I'll be surprised.

            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 68 points69 points  (43 children)

            I also realized that bitcoin fog isn't very good, doesn't answer support tickets, and is possibly in on the scam

            [–]profiting_prophet 36 points37 points  (2 children)

            keep it up. These guys cant stay anonymous forever and I'd love to see them have to forfeit their ill-gotten gains. It's funny you mention bitcoinfog possibly being in on the scam because I've felt that way since day one with them; its a service that is operated by the scammers as a way to try and launder the hundreds of millions that have been stolen under the guise of helping us stay anonymous.

            [–]BitcoinLord 19 points20 points  (1 child)

            I don't think the end result is forfeiture, it is death.

            [–]ravend13 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            The two are not mutually exclusive.

            [–]lucasjkr 11 points12 points  (39 children)

            Bitcoin fog doesn't seem like its a true tumbler, to be honest.

            Their page describes the system in place, basically consists of a couple of wallets. You send into wallet a, and then they send you new coins in a few batches from wallet b, at which point, they transfer the coins from wallet a to wallet b. at least how they describe it, it's not tumbling at all, just returning coins to you that you didn't have in the first place.

            With 96,000 coins, supposedly, it shouldn't be very difficult to see track them through the system. Should they shrink the transaction size and send out to tons of small addresses, it'll be a lot harder to track them down. Not like they're in a race against time, or anything. The longer they take, the better, really.

            Not to minimize what you did, it was a lot of work im sure. But, if you did it, I'm sure that means the three letter agencies have long been able to do so forever.

            Besides - how would you stop him from:

            selling a bitcoiin through a localbitcoins type site? Creating lots of accounts at btce-e or cryptsy and buying some ltc, nmc and xpm, bouncing those around to another exchange, and cashing out that way Buying gift cards or actual goods Heck, how would you stop them from selling them at gox and wiring the funds to, say, Moldova or something?

            I just don't see how you could have any hope of stopping them if they took more care when tumbiing? Heck, how would you stop them from just cashing out via gox or locoally? And even if you intended to post here, why do the. 666 sends just to alert them?

            [–]TheNodManOut 31 points32 points  (24 children)

            Well considering how many wallet address I've followed from the very top to where they stop I'm keeping an eye out for when those start moving he was tumbling them all the way down and now a lot are sitting in wallets with anywhere from 5k to 100k just waiting for those to moving to exchanges that will probably start happening after he tries to tumble down the other huuuge wallets i have, I've created a big.list of over 150 wallets starting from the top all the way to where they end he transfers from the top about 50-100times while dropping amounts here.and there worth about 5k-100k while he keeps moving the bigger.amount in attempt to hide it all the list is active wallets with coins in them still doesn't include the.countless hundreds I've had to follow the transactions thru just to get to the end point hopefully with OP and I we can combine and list almost all his.wallets to watch for movement when he tries to cash.out

            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 33 points34 points  (11 children)

            Big up to theNodManOut.

            This is the biggest heist of all time. Is it in the newspapers? No TheNodManOut made the hardest spot - the escape route wallet from sheep. I assume he normally drives round in a van solving mysteries.

            I was still sending fractions of bitcoin into sheep, looking for the puncture, and saw that TheNodman had already sussed it. I clicked the link to the wallet and stood open-mouthed to see a planet-sized spaceship hovering above europe. We were both pretty knackered I think, but every door led to another door, rooms full of bitcoins stacked from floor to ceiling. I was ready to call it a day, but the spaceship started to dissappear into a fog before my eyes!

            I just sent 0.00666 btc to the first person to attach a threat to 0.000666 of a bitcoin, for good luck. I'm sure the NodManOut is pleased we're not alone now, because its hard to follow the blockchain and try to shout "OVER HERE! $100m is being towed away! Hello? I'm one confirmation behind him, and he's boarding a crowded tube train"

            I don't use the word "hero" lightly. But TheModManOut is probably the greatest hero in world history.

            Its easy to go wrong on the blockchain. There are no blockchain accountants yet. If we do, we can go back to the first escape hatch he discovered and work from there.

            [–]TheNodManOut 14 points15 points  (4 children)

            Word, appreciate that Sheepreloaded you did great job yourself funny i taught myself how blockchain worked in a cpl hours then went to it got.bored and kept on cause one trail led to another gave me comfort i wasn't the only one had you helping props bro

            [–]oimandoimaw 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            ive been following your posts with some coworkers and we still cant believe the media isnt covering you two. biggest heist in history could possibly be foiled due to two redditors/cryptonuts!!!

            i dont own a single bitcoin because im too poor to get in on it, but if i could give either of you guys a big warm hug for all the amazing work you are doing, I would. I would also compliment you thoroughly and get you a beer.

            is there anything i can do to help that doesnt involve the types of action you are taking?

            [–]gorlak120 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            being too poor has nothing to do with it. you can own 50cents, or 10-20 bucks worth. true ill never likely buy a full bitcoin anymore due to the full coins price, but ill just buy 40 at a time.

            [–]sak911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            OMG, Im shocked there is no coverage of this… You guys keep up the good work! I am simply amazed by your dedication and smarts. Does being able to track the addresses require a strong coding background?

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              [–]SPC_Bitcoin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              $220 million. wow!

              [–]slicksr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Most of that money appears to have gone to https://blockchain.info/address/1hSteFCQ4fHQkNanb9XWAMpWS6dLsadiZ

              [–]lucasjkr 4 points5 points  (11 children)

              Splitting $96 million into 150 creates a bunch if wallets that, while they aren't on the top 10 list are still sizable. What happens when those coins are split among many, many more wallets, using a much higher traffic tumbler?

              If you're still able to trace those coins, the big question will be, do tumblers provide any security at all? If a single dedicated hacker can follow everything throurough, the FBI and NSA will have no difficulties doing the sad.

              [–]TheNodManOut 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Here's an example of one of the dump wallets exactly 20k in it https://blockchain.info/address/16qr1bFRno4Dagxeis8h8JGjnbV7jn6uBY And one that i tracked that from that he's slowly tumbling atm https://blockchain.info/address/15p19K7psks9PP2faLhFRrn7ooyimGJaun?filter=1 this is just one of many I've collected over past 18hrs

              edit: didn't realize he moved the 20k again but follow the transactions and it will end up in one of the wallets under the of the wallets in the most recent withdraw transactions list

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                [–]lucasjkr 4 points5 points  (7 children)

                Well, if he reads this, it'll be clear to him that he erred using bitcoin fog and that more tumbling, real tumbling is necessary. Now, what if plays the highest probability,lowest payout (read:safest) version of, say, santoshi dice, with each bet being paid to new addresses? Seems like either using electrum, armory, or even the official qt client, especially taking the step to switch cryptos (like I said before, bitcoin to litecoin, primecoin and name coin, all split among exchanges)?

                I fear that as trackble as bitcoin can be, just following coins from wallet to wallet doesn't really get you anywhere

                Again, what would you do if he sold them at mtgox or local bitcoin? How would you even know what just occurred?

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                  [–]Loliita 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                  I too agree, sure we can keep tabs on the btc. Follow it or watch it sit in his wallet.

                  But as soon as he attempts to cash them out we are going to be able to figure out his identity.

                  Also an idea. Can we all send tiny amounts of BTC to this wallet with public notes?

                  Saying. "This BTC is stolen. If you have information on the wallet owner please contact us."

                  Because won't those notes appear whenever anyone checks transactions on block chain that are coming from this guy?

                  Or is this just a dumb idea ?

                  [–]TheNodManOut 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  Great idea just as you can see on some the very first wallets i found huge ones people left notes on 10cent.donations when he tumbled it i would see the same little note thinking i.was back at the beginning but i knew i wasn't lol

                  [–]slicksr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  Firstly the one you send won't be stolen, secondly if he spends it and it ends up in the wallet of a legit business somewhere, you could end up going around in circles.

                  [–]FP444 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                  It is too late now...

                  [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 25 points26 points  (10 children)

                  If you're a vendor, (I can tell you aren't) do you remember how it felt to see those FBI badges on Silk Road?

                  What do you do? Format your computers? Clean house? sell bitcoins?

                  You feel sick, panic,and make wrong decisions.

                  I followed him for hours yesterday, he was creating new wallets, moving 2000 BTC in, waiting for enough confirmations, then moving 2000BTC into the next wallet, leaving the balance at zero.

                  I would see the new wallet before the first confirmation even appeared on the blockchain. I'd point my mobile at the QR code,and send a memorable number. He must have felt he devil was chasing him. You don't let employees anywhere near bitcoin wallets,so i knew for sure it was him, and me.

                  Imagine you think someone is following you. You create a new wallet address, try to hide quarter of amillion dollars in it, and within 5 minutes that same wallet address has found you. He was obviously using multibit client. One by one, all his exact 200BTC, 500BTC wallets were becoming 500.00666.

                  He must have felt safe after tumbling it,and just wanted to gather all his wallets together to show his wife why they never have to worry about anything ever again.

                  I only marked the bigget ones, he had 49. Their addresses are remembered in my phone, and on the blockchain with a 666 next to them. Historians, police, interpol, anyone can see where every penny went on the blockchain, forever.

                  there is no exchange infrastructure as such forbitcoin. Even if he dares to change 10 btc into euros and gets away with it today, the first blockchain auditors could spot it in 20 years.

                  Bitcoin wallets are anonymous until you have to do business with the cash zombies over in the old economy, because bank accounts and credit cards have a thing called fraud unless you prove who you are.

                  Bitcoin doesn't need a name to be credible.

                  [–]2l84aa 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  i hope this is a throw away account. i would be cautious dealing with a person that can put 10 fat bounties on my head if my identity is not well protected.

                  [–]walletadvisors 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Any noteworthy updates?

                  [–]icdit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  So he got dead coins sitting around.. If he cash one out, then he is done.

                  [–]SPC_Bitcoin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  would be great to write a trace program, following all the in/out of all these addresses. do you think that's what the feds did? to do this all manually that's a ton of work!

                  [–]wavecross 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  One guy was able to chase him, with the feds splitting it up I'm sure they could do it with just manpower if they wanted to. Although if they aren't automating it, then they will soon.

                  [–]lucasjkr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  I dunno. I feel like you're chasing a phantom. You can follow the bitcoins from wallet to wallet, but you're no closer to the person controlling the wallet.

                  You say that this is the correct wallet because you send coins into a tumbler and they appear here on the other side... but if it's a tumbler, could it be just going to another user, perhaps?

                  Even the number seems wrong. 96,000 BTC? I mean, the first word that went out about Sheep seemed to say 5,400 BTC, where did the other 91,000 come from? $91 million in escrow just seems off by an order of magnitude, considering what was taken from Silk Road, which was the leading and biggest market up til it went down.

                  Could it be that you're chasing after the wrong pot?

                  And as for the tracability of bitcoins - yes, if the funds are withdrawn to a US account, the culprit would have to face KYC and the rest, but a non us citizen using a non-US bank has significantly less documentation requirements around the world - all the banking laws are essentially done at the behest of the US Government trying to make sure its citizens are paying taxes.

                  Whatever tumbler this person is using doesn't seem to be much of a tumbler at all, more that they're just sending from one wallet to the next; how would you continue your tracking once they break their balance into much smaller chunks and send through a higher traffic system (ie, bitcoin.info)? Or, would you be able to determine if the funds ended up at crytpsy and started buying into alt coins?

                  I don't know. I don't want to take anything away from the time and effort you've put into this, but it just seems far too simple for someone to eventually evade you.

                  [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Its more like half a million.

                  Somebody will come back and explain everything to you at a later date.

                  Do we want him to get caught? The police would take his server and get customer's names and addresses.

                  Each chunk is worth 3million dollars. I'm going to take a chance that lifting a finger will be worthwhile. A few thousand sheep customers probably worked all week to earn that money.

                  Plus,my bitcoin is in there somewhere. He still hasn't given it back - that's why I'm going to get him.

                  Look how many people are following his money now. Should they just stop? for 22 hours I clung on to the back of a stolen car on my own through the blockchain, after the guy who found the first wallet just had to go to sleep.

                  There is one of him,plus bitcoin fog who is definitely in cahoots.

                  [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                  sure btc is good if you want to do illegal things like buy sell drugs but this case is the very reason why using govt controlled currency with large banks is valuable.

                  Here you are having gotten ripped off and realistically never getting a dime back and still trying to pump btc even though btc is the reason you will never get it back. He could also just put all 96k in one account and never use it and you would still be out the money (obviously his greed wont let him do that). But with dollars a theft like this would be easier to trace.

                  [–]Mekabear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Not really.

                  With normal currency. If i have some money and i secretly exchange it for drugs its untraceable if nobody sees it go down.

                  If i buy drugs online for bitcoins the transaction with say silk road is always there and if someone could identify it was my wallet i would be permanently tied to the transaction. You don't get that kind of audit trail in face to face transactions.

                  Now look at a bigger crime. I steal 1 million from a bank. If i sit on this money and "tumble" it (ie spend £20 in my local newsagents etc, rather than moving it all in one go) no one is going to be able to hunt me down easily. Some guy is certainly not going to be able to track me down on the internet and follow the moneys every move. Even if they have the codes on the notes many small shops are not going to check for this.

                  [–]seeker-of-keys 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  what do you think a "true tumbler" is? how could it be different than what Fog does?

                  [–]lucasjkr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  In the sense that if we're really talking about tracking 96,000 coins, then there's no way that I can imagine that BTC Fog would have that many in its system, so attempting to send those coins through it could only result in the same coins being returned on the other end.

                  I mean, if we really are talking 96,000 coins (I question this, too), I can't imagine that Fog would have 96,000 coins available to begin with - and would a thief trust Fog to sink that much into someone elses hands even for a second? I can't see it. More, I think the coins that are being tracked are just being split and sent from one wallet to several new ones, recombined, etc.

                  No one has explained how the number jumped from 5,400 BTC to 96,000 BTC, though? Nor how SMP could have 30 times as many funds in escrow as SR did when it was taken down, when SR was by far the biggest venue?

                  Too much of the current story just doesn't make sense to me. But I should have been more clear in my thought about tumbling - just that if you send to Bitcoin Fog's "Wallet A" and they then send from "Wallet B", if "Wallet B" doesn't have enough funds to cover that transfer, it would likely end the rest from "Wallet A", hence returning your own funds to you...

                  [–]Loliita 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I want you to know. Every time I go through wallets. And end up with an even number. Plus .00666, I smile.

                  I am way behind your tracking. And not near as skilled. But when I see your stamp it makes me feel like we are getting closer and closer.

                  Also a confirmation that I'm following the money correctly. But yes. Thank you for brightening everyone's mood.

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                    [–]3domfighter 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                    I don't think it needs to be said; he seems to know it. He's been "running marathons through fog" and "chasing [the perp] on the roof of a moving train", and preserving evidence for historians. We got fucking Jason BitBourne over here.

                    [–]0x_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Jason BitBourne

                    lol

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                      [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 20 points21 points  (5 children)

                      I know, it just gets bigger and bigger the more you look!

                      No wonder the bitcoin price is high. Half of them are out of circulation!

                      Could this be the loot from more than one scam?

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                        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Amazing work. What a hero.

                        [–]Loliita -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                        iP addresses are attached. Is there no way we can track the ip on the big wallets deposit addresses ?

                        I know he's surely using a proxy. But those aren't full proof.

                        [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

                        Yeah, thenodman started another thread when he found the trapdoor in sheep, and I wrote one called "OK.This is how we are going to catch him", which we were using too.

                        When you see something big going down,you're torn between following it or alerting people. That first big wallet that was found,if you click the little graph thing next to it,shows how much went in on different days. You can see that this wasn't some poor good-intentioned man with cash flow problems. He was moving bitcoin out on an industrial scale, leaving it running to get more and more cash,and even preparing us weeks ago for withdrawal limits and miners fees.

                        It can all be traced back to the Friday before the "Vendors are stranded on the blockchain" post I did. Thats when the old site was taken down and the trapdoor site fired up.

                        He has 1% of the world's bitcoins. Its hard to clean and sell more than 4 or 5 btc at a time

                        [–]BCLaraby 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                        He has 1% of the world's bitcoins.

                        Holy shit.

                        What do you plan on doing with this guy when you catch him?

                        [–]gamhead 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                        Dude, you're totally right - you guys should appeal to BitStamp or some other massive Bitcoin company to help - MASSIVE MARKETING OPPORTUNITY for all of them.

                        I know you guys are smart enough, but you need to scale out your brains!

                        [–]usnavy13 3 points4 points  (4 children)

                        how can we help?

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                          [–]drakesword 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                          Why not a program to follow the coins? At least then addresses can be 'flagged'

                          [–]Gontxi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          yeh some program that receive the wallets and transactions data and create a network of connections between wallets.

                          [–]ouioui1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          How do we help?

                          [–]Throwawayyyyy12334 20 points21 points  (6 children)

                          I said it in another comment, but seriously man. You deserve more than we'll ever likely be able to give you. But you're in my thoughts man, I appreciate this. Injustices like this need to be dealt with properly. Especially when a vast majority of us are adults investing in a currency that in its early days, unfortunately, is susceptible to fucking scummy, ratty cunts taking advantages of its flaws.

                          Again, thank you. You're a good man doing a great thing.

                          EDIT: Posting on a throwaway because none of my friends know I'm interested in cryptocurrency and it's uses.

                          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          You are a god sir.

                          [–]Azr79 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Fucking fascinating, could you please explain me like a was a fucking retard (but keep using your analogies, fucking love these) how the hell did you chase him through the tumbler? I didn't get this part quite well.

                          [–]rspeed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          What would prevent him from just slicing it up again and sending everything through a bunch of tumblers without pulling it back together?

                          [–]HipsterBender 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          Even if you were to catch him, what could you do? Call the cops on someone who stole the money you used to buy illegal drugs/guns/etc?

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                            [–]Throwawayyyyy12334 22 points23 points  (1 child)

                            You're doing a valued and honorable society a service and you deserve more than you will ever get for this. You're a good man. Even though I've not been a user of SMP, BMR or the late SR, I keep myself closely up to date with BTC and other cryptocurrency and it's uses. I honestly hope things turn out well for everyone who was fucked over by the scumbags involved.

                            [–]Loliita 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                            Also. Can you please post a deposit address so that we can send you donations.

                            I would also like to donate to theNodManOut

                            I lost 1.1btc. It's not a lot to some. But it was over half my savings.

                            I'm appreciative of what you have done. I'd like to make a small donation.
                            I can't afford much as I've recently been robbed. But please. Let me send you something.

                            [–]longdrivehome 12 points13 points  (15 children)

                            r/Bitcoin folks suggested I cross post here:

                            First, some background: I have never been to the Sheep Market website. I do not have an account there, I don't even know the URL. I heard about it after the scam when it hit the news.

                            I logged on to my BTC-E account on 11/28. I clicked "deposit", took the address, and sent over 4 BTC from my Coinbase account. I then traded for about 6 hours between BTC and LTC (it was volatile that day) without logging out or closing my computer. This is the important part:The site functioned as normal, my transaction history was updating as normal, the troll box was blazing, I made about .35 BTC to show an account balance of 4.35BTC while trading. However now looking at my email, I received no email notification of my trades or deposit.

                            Then, like many that day, I got logged out of my account when I tried to set up a trade. When I logged back in, my account looked as if I hadn't been trading at all that day- no account history, no BTC, no LTC. It was as I left it on 11/19, the last time I traded on BTC-e.

                            Here's the transaction of me sending BTC to the address my BTC-e account gave me from coinbase on the block chain:

                            https://blockchain.info/address/1EQxovLpJkVnC8DtkHvF3cGvZvCwBHh4Yw I posted this issue on r/Bitcoin that night. We thought it was then transferred to a BTC-E cold wallet when I posted about this a few days ago...but surprise surprise, it was actually posted to the Sheep Market scammer's. He just hadn't been caught yet. Look who it was actually transferred to:

                            https://blockchain.info/address/1CbR8da9YPZqXJJKm9ze1GYf67eKAUfXwP

                            What does this mean? Did the Sheep Market scammer actually get into BTC-e as well?

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                              [–]longdrivehome 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                              I can screenshot my coinbase account showing the details of the transaction- unfortunately Coinbase won't let you tag transactions like a normal transaction on block chain will.

                              I forgot to mention that when I filed a support ticket, BTC-E said that the address I sent the 4 BTC to never pointed to my account. However, when I clicked that "deposit" button, that was the wallet code that it displayed

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                                [–]longdrivehome 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                                Here's a time stamped screen shot from my coinbase account of the transaction from me to the wallet given to me by BTC-E, which then turned out to be a wallet controlled by the Sheep Market scammer, who then transferred my BTC to his large wallet:

                                http://imgur.com/7FN0dF2

                                [–]xabbix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                You could also use https://mailbit.io

                                [–]screenclear 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                                My BTC-e account address (176vFCXejPfioAYjg5zuAmiXfqUKAuxztV) sent, a few weeks ago, money to 1CbR8da9YPZqXJJKm9ze1GYf67eKAUfXwP as well. This is not something I'm aware of, since the date of the transaction does not match any of my exchanges as shown on BTC-e.

                                Doesn't this mean 1CbR8da9YPZqXJJKm9ze1GYf67eKAUfXwP is most probably one of BTC-e's accounts?

                                [–]longdrivehome 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                                No, that account is the Sheep Market scammer's and contains the 90k bitcoin stolen from the website. It sounds like your account did the same thing that mine did!

                                edit: were you able to recover that bitcoin? Or did you loose it permanently?

                                [–]screenclear 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                Yeah but my question is... why would he store 90k in BTC-e? And also.. how did he use my BTC-e account without me knowing about it?

                                I have two factor authentication. :-S

                                [–]longdrivehome 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                I don't think the 90k wallet is on BTC-e (though it might be).

                                And I can't explain how he would use BTC-e accounts except that from what I've read, a similar thing happened with Sheep Market. People saw their balance like it was still there, but the coins were actually gone. From what I can tell, the same thing happened to me- I traded with my "coins" all day, but I never had coins to begin with on my account.

                                If this happened to a bunch of people, it might also explain the crazy pump in LTC that day, swinging from .039-.052LTC/BTC every few hours after a huge jump. AND there were also some crazy huge LTC buys at double, triple, and quadruple highest ask. So this may have been an attempt by the scammer to to do something with alt coins to hide the scam or tumble the coins. I'm a bit unknowledgable about this, but that's a scenario that I can think of.

                                That, or BTC-e is in on it. They totally stopped answering my emails once the account was tagged as the scammers, where they had been responsive on Skype and via email up to that point. Crazier things have happened.

                                [–]Oto-bahn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                I have the same problem. So lost right now :-/ I also see coins sent to that address.

                                days ago when I went to see if my coins had been returned and saw what we had first thought was a BTC-e cold storage wallet graffiti'd with messages and micro transactions labeled as "Sheep Market Scammer". Turns out I was looking in on his/her wallet filling up with stolen coins 3 days before days before anyone knew what was going on!

                                [–]oimandoimaw 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                                Missing BTC-E bitcoins tied to SMP scam? is that what im reading in this thread? you coins got traded to the SMP scam wallet without your consent on a 2-factor authentication account?

                                [–]longdrivehome 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                                I did not have 2 factor enabled because I never kept coins on the exchange, just transferred on and off after trading.

                                My coins weren't transferred from my account on BTC-e. According to BTC-e they never made it to my account. When I clicked the "Deposit" button, my BTC-E account showed me a "deposit" address that wasn't actually mine, it was an account controlled by the SMP scammer as you can see on the block chain. It may have been an account that points to a different btc-e address that he controlled - but I do know from my correspondence with BTC-e that the address never pointed to my account on BTC-e.

                                Either way, if this were a clean hack I would be a bit more ok with it. The weirdest thing was that I made about 6-7 trades with the 4 btc like nothing was wrong on BTC-e. Then, all of a sudden, I got logged off and when I logged back in my trade history was gone, as were my (at that point) 105 LTC I was trading back to BTC. That's when I contacted BTC-e and posted on r/Bitcoin, and that's when I found out the wallet I had initially sent 4btc to never even pointed at my account.

                                [–]oimandoimaw 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                bizarro world. sounds like BTC-e is getting hacked by the SMP thief but it isn't really working correctly.

                                [–]longdrivehome 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                you should have seen my face 2 days ago when I went to see if my coins had been returned and saw what we had first thought was a BTC-e cold storage wallet graffiti'd with messages and micro transactions labeled as "Sheep Market Scammer". Turns out I was looking in on his/her wallet filling up with stolen coins 3 days before days before anyone knew what was going on!

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                                  [–]steve_o_619 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                  Sauce?

                                  [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                                  +/u/bitcointip 0.01 BTC verify

                                  [–]bitcointip 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                  [] Verified: abrkn$10.42 USD (m฿ 10 millibitcoins)sheeproadreloaded2 [sign up!] [what is this?]

                                  [–]dreadly1217 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                                  You're famous! (Kind of) http://www.newstatesman.com/future-proof/2013/12/theres-%C2%A360m-bitcoin-heist-going-down-right-now-and-you-can-watch-real-time

                                  There's a £60m Bitcoin heist going down right now, and you can watch in real-time

                                  Sheep Marketplace closed down over the weekend after someone got away with 96,000 bitcoins - and angry users are chasing him around the internet.

                                  [–]DreamFactory 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                                  I can't even handle how future this is.

                                  [–]Widespread_Panic 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                                  Can someone ELI5?

                                  [–]SavageDark 21 points22 points  (0 children)

                                  What I learned today Do not fuck with peoples money, they'll end you

                                  [–]nowitasshole 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                  Impressive stuff.

                                  It may be very useful to get the /r/bitcoin community involved in this, if the OP would like to repost it. I know there are a lot of very knowledgeable people in there and if you talk about $100m+ in bitcoin being stole it should get a lot of attention.

                                  [–]redditisgay 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                                  EDIT - thought of an even more simple explanation of the end result, and wanted to add a note about the fallout on the small times within the money trail.

                                  Imagine if all of the huge illegal enterprises (Cartels, DTOs, Sex Trade, Hackers) and now the mega investment international banks like Goldman Sachs and China the Bank got together to make an off-the-banks new currency, but because of trust issues added a GPS beacon and bill number to every single bill. Every time the bills change hands, the bills uploaded their serial #, and even if the person checking on that bill has no clue who owns it at that moment, the digital online tracker gives him the account number of the current owner, but JUST the number. By itself the number is useless, but if I give Ted a bill, who gives it Bob, and I look up the transaction with Ted, I get to see Ted's account and can follow it to Bob, the next person, etc. That's the macro Bitcoin economy when relating to black markets and their bitcoin. This Tomas guy has all these groups looking for him and their stolen money, and he can't use a single bill without a current owner knowing exactly when it was used and where it went.

                                  Sure, he can try to use the digital version of a check cashing store, but they're digital Mom and Pop check cashing stores...maybe they bend the rules or turn blind eyes, but they're way, way, way to small to handle this stolen loot. If they did, they know the owners of the loot will come knocking, and that leads me to the other problem.

                                  $200m of random drug money quite seriously could put a ton of lives in jeopardy. While I can't say I understand how you could have a drug business of that size and not launder out cash, apparently people did. Lots of people. The debt collections are going to be bad, bad, news all the way down.

                                  Now that this guy stole it, he couldn't undo it even if he wanted too...the money is just a garbled mess that totals what he stole, but is literally impossible to return to their owners at this point.

                                  The fact that it's such a massive amount makes this a big ass news story, but the inevitable horrible ending to this is going to be one too. Sad, and fucked up on 1000 levels.

                                  [–]SPC_Bitcoin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                  get a really powerful electromagnet, FIXSD!

                                  [–]wolframite 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                                  I'm bitcoin illiterate. I just opened a wallet but clueless how to fill it. Still trying to follow this amazing saga... this crowd-sourced IQ is flabbergasting. By sheer coincidence, a friend emailed me and indicated he was in Prague (visiting for the first time). Sent him the relevant links and faces just in case he spots the guy everyone is talking about.

                                  One of the mainstream articles claimed someone posted (here?) the following scary confession:

                                  ‘I am a large vendor on Sheep Marketplace, or I was until recently. I sold hard drugs in reasonably large quantities. I have around $90k locked up in the site. I owe some money to some very nasty people, ‘I have until monday evening. They have already threatened me with death. I have no doubt that they have killed before...I am 26 and I don't want to die.’

                                  Jesus

                                  [–]CoveredInMud 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                  I read that on here too. Later on that night he updated that he got a temporary pass from his people.

                                  [–]Ainderp 12 points13 points  (10 children)

                                  Could I get regular updates on this, im very intrigued as to how you hope to catch this guy

                                  [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 48 points49 points  (9 children)

                                  I think we will be alright now the first critical 48 hours are over. He gathered 96,000 in one pot, then split it into about 50 smaller ones. then he saw me 666ing them all. Imagine a sports stadium with 96,000 people in it, each with $1000.

                                  He sent them all via different routes all over the world, but the same 96,000 people then arrived at a different stadium and he went to bed.

                                  Now there are 96,001, and I just phoned you on my mobile to tell you where the stadium is.

                                  Sheep Marketplace was smaller than Silk Road,and he had it running quite well. SR page changes used to time out 3 times out of 4. But the FBI only got a single-day 29,000 bitcoin snapshot.

                                  This guy may yet get away with 96,000 bitcoins, each worth a second-hand car, that we know about. But he probably won't.

                                  Thieves never prosper. Especially if I see them driving away in MY car.

                                  I'm not going to get murdered. He's not a gangster dealing cocaine (not that sheepmarket customers are particularly "anti" drug use). He's just some IT chump who knows C++, and tried an accountancy stunt. For all those suitcases full of crypto currency, I wouldn't want to trade places. What do you do with an airport car park full of cars, when the car park is surrounded by angry stoners with baseball bats?


                                  Just follow the money. If you work back, he is bound to have a trader on localbitcoins.com, selling lots of bitcoins cheap for euros, but never buying any. One of you will have bought a bitcoin off him, and paid money to him. His name, account number and sort code are on your bank statement. One of the bitcoins that went through your wallet also went through one of HIS past wallets.

                                  He's still stealing now. I've been making fresh sheep pocket addresses and sending fractions of bitcoin in to see where they come back out onto the blockchain. He should have just pulled the plug rather than breaking the transaction fee payment and all that clever shit.

                                  I had a sheep withdrawal with NO TRANSACTIONS next to it for 3 whole days, to try to balance his books. So I've had a good fortnight to wait for my car to be stolen. When he said I can only drive it in 25 hours, once a day, if the tank is full, we all knew this was bullshit, right? Send me my public and private wallet keys in an email if your wallets only work one-way.

                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRJW05wVOLc

                                  [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                  This is amazing. GREAT job. Please keep your energy up to continue helping. Thank you thank you :)

                                  Edit: Oh and get some good rest :) You deserve it.

                                  [–]Patrick5555[🍰] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                  thieves never prosper

                                  what a nice thing to hear. With the fbi bust of silkroad and then this, its easy to get in the mentality that these markets are a bad idea. But those events are outweighed by all the people that actually got legitimate products, because true vendors DO prosper

                                  [–]firepacket 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                  +/u/bitcointip @sheeproadreloaded2 $20

                                  [–]g0_west 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                                  What do you plan on doing once you find the guy?

                                  [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 10 points11 points  (4 children)

                                  me? I'm not the police. I don't live in the czech republic.

                                  I won't find this guy. Somebody else will.

                                  I assume he'll be jailed, blackmailed, tortured or killed. I dunno.

                                  I had a good business arrangement with him,paying 6.8%. thats OK, but I didn't agree he can keep all of everyone's bitcoins.

                                  I have a computer attached to the internet, so like everyone, I can track every bitcoin wallet for the rest of time.

                                  $200M is the largest theft in history. eventually it might get in the newspaper. the police could even assign an officer to look for him.

                                  He depended on "tumbling" bitcoins, but he has 1% of the world's bitcoins. It doesn't work.

                                  [–]HPLoveshack 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                  Out of curiosity, what exactly is there to stop him from just sitting on those 96,000 bitcoins, transferring a random double digit btc amount to a smaller wallet occasionally, tumbling them out to even smaller wallets, then using them to purchase easily sellable goods or selling them directly in small batch cash deals?

                                  Even if he only averaged 1 btc sale per day, that would still be a sizable income.

                                  [–]chendiggler 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                  How is this not in the news?

                                  [–]greenbuddah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                  Keep up the good work, I will gladly help in anyway to catch this scoundrel. The work you are doing should be rewarded.

                                  [–]czechmatethem 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                                  90,000//466,000 MAIN alrdy 666d https://blockchain.info/address/1CbR8da9YPZqXJJKm9ze1GYf67eKAUfXwP

                                  775//44,000 not 666d https://blockchain.info/address/1Hw8dtVC9bdxDz1su9Jx3GXTgjR75FJcMK

                                  26,000 one of MAIN alrdy 666d https://blockchain.info/address/1PnMfRF2enSZnR6JSexxBHuQnxG8Vo5FVK

                                  26,500 one of MAIN alrdy 666d https://blockchain.info/address/1ABS7zUZP76NjNYs9DLoWnKfZFTR7WLrAM

                                  21,000 MAIN alrdy 666d https://blockchain.info/address/19hJkNAx8aSebR1nZEwJUvKMnQgCbbeoMg

                                  26,000 alrdy 666d https://blockchain.info/address/194DnvmLR2HULRvxUsVag8mn2fm7dA3U2B

                                  29,000 alrdy 666d https://blockchain.info/address/1EBHA1ckUWzNKN7BMfDwGTx6GKEbADUozX

                                  18,000 alrdy 666d https://blockchain.info/address/19vWUsLH7G6yQH484r3n1GodLEoLivWHJg

                                  3475 https://blockchain.info/address/19mfTX5NpwwYjLqbAM8BQAxsNgfd7GESc5

                                  1000 https://blockchain.info/address/1Pa7HJ8VCCR9U7tXcmigrXfyPrQWDedA69

                                  1000 https://blockchain.info/address/124WvwHdraE1EviYGdhnuzyCjk3YvWCvEq

                                  1000 https://blockchain.info/address/1DNhJFWf7GcuBPWc8wh6w1e26tWAhtmMxt

                                  307 https://blockchain.info/address/18tU2B2kaJqCVnF8yi5H5Pk4uy7Axa28Gk

                                  14 https://blockchain.info/address/19QeYXNwBBH4FTcG6echBgjwB7uTPkagJP

                                  908 https://blockchain.info/address/1EsqbUckBjjFVhuuDHfFaikz8JFr2JV74n

                                  757 https://blockchain.info/address/1M7ZDnP7SCPG8yQFwqgH926fHKDCqg2HpT

                                  10 https://blockchain.info/address/1hMYpfGPH9RUiNgLHdbiVDckr1j2pQnWB

                                  45 https://blockchain.info/address/14ucWM1WKuz1nUuygYBR6LKcZ5SP1xtKfj

                                  42// 5,000+ https://blockchain.info/address/1KYZtGYP2fWJbXWgqWra6c4D8KVHxyZyPu

                                  144 https://blockchain.info/address/1318mCFvks5nkhToyZPyiGM1zuSym6jgS3

                                  178 https://blockchain.info/address/1MAYiGv9HVEpdRQrSLaBakNNW1qVfY8tM7

                                  438 https://blockchain.info/address/181uDJnGeoyfy9YEQVLCNRtqtvowFEwhuC

                                  53 https://blockchain.info/address/163dXoX3bfrM8t8DwbhzfHdGYNQfYfXhK6

                                  58even https://blockchain.info/address/14oGr9RxvzntrkwYgdrJs172pdGRyszdzw

                                  176 https://blockchain.info/address/1D1QP3bvENQb7pWUVz4yB1xUKUSYP8x3hw

                                  291even https://blockchain.info/address/12aGKGR9xpVb54XyVqCKCQXgNzyhQ5GqSX

                                  500 https://blockchain.info/address/18Bd9WV7eAZyUoExG1yRckYWfjP6Mm9mQ4

                                  250 even. stagnant since beginning https://blockchain.info/address/1NN8JWEA4BSer28ZtriNNr7kzsW4gEeGKG

                                  34 https://blockchain.info/address/1BEPAvv8uzv4nPdLDUxvtKPRUNTosyDzsA

                                  205//1000+ https://blockchain.info/address/14Jf616G9rVSWTYV7Nb6ra82FHtHZGopRr

                                  500//220,000 !!!!!! can trace a lot https://blockchain.info/address/174psvzt77NgEC373xSZWm9gYXqz4sTJjn

                                  181//6022 https://blockchain.info/address/1JjW3gHDESmVfaszN8jy1bHZHbpEyY1wEZ

                                  27 https://blockchain.info/address/17Wq4MQedStbM6yzkc2o9FFexEc8v3WANq

                                  160 https://blockchain.info/address/1LQ7mzQqNdcu6b94HoF6FQhpjo27Nsb2kq

                                  150 https://blockchain.info/address/13Aku4SUR6BSafmQPFtEBNprHDQjMac6d7

                                  175 https://blockchain.info/address/18xT5n3bq5YqjH8p82M645qVWX21pmBXrf

                                  200 https://blockchain.info/address/1L51RwoeZPxeTawMmTcb4VCRhQsceYJsS1

                                  332 https://blockchain.info/address/15s4RYdK6AjBE9yqAwwqY1c3qwksV2N4my

                                  416//3,500 https://blockchain.info/address/1MJPrPYbZGjRDzbnbmpabQ9xV23b2ejned

                                  168//1700 already666d https://blockchain.info/address/1En3zR29cJnXGw1qFVkoQkDZvnp3Vj2m27

                                  100 https://blockchain.info/address/18Y8euHPSY6b7Eh5Q1K8Sh5vpGnakSRKDr

                                  [–]czechmatethem 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                  unfortunately many of these will go deeper than when i posted them..

                                  [–]oimandoimaw 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                  yeah.... maybe you shouldnt be posting this info yet since the thief is clearly watching these threads....

                                  [–]oimandoimaw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                  yeah.... maybe you shouldnt be posting this info yet since the thief is clearly watching these threads....

                                  [–]YUNGsheep 15 points16 points  (7 children)

                                  Holy shit that sounds like it was intense as fuck... like why the fuck would he do that anyway, stealing all the cash from people, it's not like he can go out and spend it because he's gonna have a fat bounty on his head if you ask me.

                                  [–]bafflesaurus 11 points12 points  (6 children)

                                  He's already been doxxed and his name is in the media, Vice just did a writeup. I wouldn't worry about him getting away with it.

                                  [–]mister_impossible 9 points10 points  (5 children)

                                  Vice did a write-up? Can you post that link please? I've tried searching for it but all I can find are those deepdotweb.com articles.

                                  [–]TitoIsEpic 14 points15 points  (4 children)

                                  [–]mister_impossible 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                                  So Vice is postulating that the feds may have been responsible for the bitcoin theft. Holy shit wouldn't that be something?

                                  [–]Ashlir 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                  Would not be surprising. It's there whole reason for being to bleed us dry and makes us believe we need them.

                                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                  http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9spTATw6

                                  Gwern's original pastebin

                                  [–]mister_impossible 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                  thank you!

                                  [–]LongLiveThe_King 10 points11 points  (5 children)

                                  So if you can follow coins through a tumbler, what is stopping the feds?

                                  Are tumblers worth it?

                                  Also good job man.

                                  [–]LongLiveThe_King 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                  I see. Thanks for clarifying.

                                  I hope that bitcoinfog turns out legit because I quite liked their site/service.

                                  [–]FarewellOrwell 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                                  What is a good tumbler to use in your opinion?

                                  [–]dnspies 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                  Probly not a good time for sheep to answer that question. You know, just in case

                                  [–]whatsdoin 3 points4 points  (10 children)

                                  Op. tip jar please. I will donate,you need a car.

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                                        [–]Hsyfa749 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                        Where the hell did they get this many Bitcoins from???? Maybe not scam number 1?

                                        [–]FP444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                        WHAT THE HELL !?! Where is this money comming from?

                                        [–]BlTCOIN 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                        I would just give this guy his bitcoin back + 1000 BTCs to stop him from this Liam Neeson manhunt.

                                        [–]bafflesaurus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                        Forcing him to tumble again has cost him 2% of whatever he's stolen, ($3 million at least).

                                        You're a brilliant bastard. Enjoy the reddit gold.

                                        [–]Mageant 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                        Can you maybe locate any of the IP addresses he is using?

                                        [–]TheBold 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                        He can't because the thief is hiding under proxies or using tor.

                                        [–]pimpass 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                        Guys, please continue to follow, but keep secret until your get to a wallet that is known to be of someone that changes the BTC to US$. Then post here so someone can try to find out from the BTC>Real money dealer who made that request and where the money was transferred to.

                                        They are cybercriminals, they are following this thread for sure and will always be a step ahead of you if you post here.

                                        [–]amendment64 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                        You and TheNodManOut are like Batman and fucking Robin... Mad props yo, keep up the great work!

                                        [–]BITCOINTRACE 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                        HELLO! Here's a list of "DEAD ENDS" That the Coin Launder has stopped at. 14HY4H2cGGmuiCkeVbupNoF3ZW9zqYdnR2 1FPWWekDRgs4ZakULMw6LVfSZRTqgeUrUH 1KwzaJiuvwhe5maeCD3LZiaJabB2tURfbe

                                        The original orgin was taken from the MAIN Blockchain given by sheeproad.

                                        origin 2000.01 BTC24.19.210.47

                                        It than goes on to another blockchain of: 1MoUfk2Bow7n9B6ksreCbcyDzXdRTFMpC9 2000 BTC

                                        Here are photos: START OF BLOCK for 2000 BTC http://imageshack.com/a/img441/9862/qr7a.png Track 2 http://imageshack.com/a/img36/1541/2vpu.png TRACK2a.png http://imageshack.com/a/img802/6269/dqrx.png TRACK 3 http://imageshack.com/a/img812/8737/0rlg.png

                                        The list is endless, but these are "Legit" accounts that received "$300 USD" or so. Small enough to cash out. And these accounts have long standing value.

                                        [–]Tusitleal 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                                        SO MANY BEGGERS

                                        [–]oimandoimaw 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                        huh?

                                        [–]Tusitleal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                        Look at his wallet. It's just people begging for bitcoins

                                        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (21 children)

                                        That'll give him a scare, but what's the significance? I'm not good with computers so I don't know the significance of this

                                        [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 55 points56 points  (20 children)

                                        When the FBI try to spend a bitcoin ANYWHERE, we will all know about it, because we know that THIS is their wallet address.

                                        https://blockchain.info/address/1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX

                                        4 of those 29,000 bitcoins were stolen by uncle sam from yours truly.

                                        1 of those NINETY SIX FUCKING THOUSAND STOLEN BITCOINS that I just chased after for 20 hours belongs to me, and the big sheep should have just given it to me when I asked him for it. I sold my car for it, thats why I'm so fast. I have to walk everywhere, and I want it back.

                                        I asked very politely,you know what us brits are like. But he stole from the wrong guy. I will chase him on foot through hell and out the other side if I have to, so help me god. Running through a car wash is nothing, when its your own stolen car you're sprinting after. forget the other $100 million. That bitcoin is worth more than my 10 year-old Renault Laguna was.

                                        Fuck that woolly baaaaaaaastard!

                                        I'm going to bed. You take over now - my work is done. 666 him!

                                        [–]I_make_werds_up 55 points56 points  (1 child)

                                        We need to get this guy a new car.

                                        [–]MustardPersona 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                        You're a real life Liam Neeson.

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                                          [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                          You're a diamond, PinkSlime.

                                          Localbitcoins.com is Norwegian-based,and the best way to launder anonymously.

                                          I bet if I go to the site and type Czech republic as my location, one of those 100+ / 100% pro traders is selling for him.

                                          I've been suspicious of a trader with a slavic-sounding name who seems to be based in every town in the UK, selling bitcoin for cash. I've just remembered that this minute. I assumed a load of Polish people had ganged together with the same account.

                                          [–]swefred 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                          Högevallsgatan Lund,

                                          There are only one buissnies or residence located on this street : LUNDS VOLLEYBOLLKLUBB homepage: http://www.lundsvk.se/

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                                            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                            I have no qualms about a bullet to his forehead.

                                            [–]sistom 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                            reduce that rate baby

                                            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                            heh, it's a song title

                                            [–]tylerg777 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                            If he's not retarded he wont get caught. He used tor the whole time and has the coins encrypted. He'll sit on it and use tumblers until it's safe to send to someone.

                                            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                            Damm, that's impressive. So when he tries to move the cash anywhere, well know and he won't be as anonymous?

                                            [–]g0_west 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                                            You write a lot of this sort of stuff (and I'm enjoying it), but you didn't answer the question. What the significance? Do you think everybody in the world is going to boycott this address because you say he's a theif? He can offload those coins at half the price and people will buy them, and he will still have enough to retire 10 times.

                                            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                            yes. And when they buy them, they will know his name, account number and sort code.

                                            have you ever tried to sell, say, 4 bitcoin? its not easy like buying them.

                                            I'm not here to answer your questions, because I've been a little bit busy. I'm not an expert. I'm not the police. Its not my job.

                                            I'm even happy to stop what I'm doing and we'll give your way a go.

                                            You can't "offload" bitcoin. He can't even give them away.

                                            I've got a fair amount of experience getting bitcoin out of sheep and turning it into cash, as have all the other vendors contributing to this.

                                            Its not about him being able to sell them cheaply. its being able to sell more than 4 a week.

                                            Bitcoin isn't secret or untraceable. Its totally open, everyone can see every account and every penny,for ever. But v bitcoin wallets anonymous. Unless you know that it belongs to a cyber criminal.

                                            [–]Batty-Koda 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                            its being able to sell more than 4 a week.

                                            Do you really think that's a problem for him? They're at ~$1000. I can't speak for whoever stole the money, but I suspect that I could manage to get by on 4k/week for a lot longer than people could keep hunting me.

                                            [–]miket457 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                            Nicely done OP your work will not go unnoticed! I think this is his personal address he uses to, there has to be a exchange where he has this wallet linked to, to bad we cant supena them.

                                            [–]SnakeEagle 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                                            If bitcoinfog is in on it, then all they must do is to tumble their coins of theft once or twice more and close bitcoinfog and make several millions of cleanly laundered dollars. Or even continue to operate the fog as a quasi-legitimate business to avoid arousing the suspicion that closing the fog would bring upon them. Thieves would never even have to withdraw the illgotten gains from sheep to become rich in the utmost sense

                                            [–]SnakeEagle 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                            I would continue to operate the major wallet and move the coins of theft around to keep the internet detectives misdirected. Tumble the coins multiple times to appear desperate, when in really I would be making the millions in tumble fees.

                                            [–]Fucking_That_Chicken 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                            that and Goldfinger it up - invest based on your knowledge that someone is going to be taking 1% of bitcoins out of circulation

                                            [–]YumYum_Bottle_of_Rum 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                            OP posted an exchange sites wallet to keep all of you off his trail. Top LEL.

                                            [–]Fluid_Motion 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                            if these are still his coins: https://blockchain.info/address/15GS3n5JZVbfJgEcUH3VNwMLcYubi7sRBk

                                            he transfered 2,000 out of the big wallet, and has kept transfering it and has now lost $334,000 USD out of the original $2,000,000. or I just dont understand blockchain.

                                            [–]bobwrkreddit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                            I think an agency would hire you for ALOT of money...

                                            [–]moosejacket 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                            This would make for a good movie plot, like Twister where you are following blips on a radar. In this story though /u/sheeproadreloaded2 is Bill Paxton, and he's chasing blips in the blockchain.

                                            Call it, Tumbler.

                                            [–]rockstarsheep 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                            Better brush up on your acting skills, OP. Hollywood is getting ready to call you! Also - well done - you're the Digital Sherlock Holmes. Well played.

                                            [–]czechmatethem 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                            /u/sheeproadreloaded2 reply to my message its urgent. need to sleep and cant do so before

                                            [–]pepsiconker 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                                            I have a confirmed address of a guy in MA USA, who is almost certainly involved in this btw, I think he is helping tumble for profit, with my BTC which he scammed off me

                                            Fuck this shit is crazy

                                            [–]oimandoimaw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                            details please?

                                            [–]TheStinkfister 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                            Massachusetts? Now this is interesting. The man to whom we owe credit for the very concept and fundamentals of BTC was, of course, an MIT student. Did you get any more detailed location info?

                                            [–]Kaspanova 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                            hahaha this thread is on an Alex Jones video. They do a small reading of it, with Tom Cruise on top of a train. Bravo! :)

                                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPwkTfdZnrM

                                            [–]pepsiconker 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                            He certainly seems to like just-dice.com

                                            Sending them millions of dollars, so charitable.

                                            Where is this place located?

                                            [–]cl0uder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                            Looks to be a way to launder btc.

                                            [–]Pepys_luvs_big_tits 2 points3 points  (8 children)

                                            they sold cocaine didn't they? he's probably paranoid and not asleep

                                            [–]Arabiansands 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                            Fascinating thread. Two thoughts: 1). Don't depend on conventional means of justice working ....even if the identity could be proven....as one poster said, what prevents him from converting $10 mil on coinbase or Mtgox then wiring it to a bank and taking cash!???there are still shady banks, they may not care.....authorities are a joke..... I once tracked a Nigerian letter scam guy....took me months! long story....I called the FBI and said "got him!" They basically said "so what"

                                            2) interestingly, the bit coin community and anonymous nature may be the biggest threat to this guy....authorities may not do anything but as one poster said, this guy could end up dying

                                            [–]danohuiginn 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                                            That address (1CbR8da9YPZqXJJKm9ze1GYf67eKAUfXwP) has been moving large amounts of BTC since the end of last year. To me, that says it's unlikely this is the thief's own wallet; more likely some 3rd party service.

                                            [–]throwaway3454392 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                            Ya I am pretty sure it is BTC-E's wallet

                                            [–]throwaway_Ia7teila 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                            174psvzt77NgEC373xSZWm9gYXqz4sTJjn is definitely a btc-e address, a friend's coins ended up there (after going to one other single-use address first) when he made a deposit at btc-e recently.

                                            [–]Eltharian1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                            I think I may of found his private account There transfers to Mt Gox too and goes back to 2011 https://blockchain.info/address/1LNWw6yCxkUmkhArb2Nf2MPw6vG7u5WG7q?offset=41150&filter=0

                                            [–]271828182 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                            I am rooting for you guys!! These are exciting times!

                                            [–]AsianThrowaway123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                            Me too dude, scammers in any market suck. This is one of the most vulnerable to hit, and possibly one of the most intolerant!

                                            [–]Arabiansands 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                            Wouldn't someone with the ability to do such a sophisticated hack also possibly have the ability to either 1) set up fake breadcrumbs to "reveal" the identity of some innocent person and frame them 2) trace back whoever is tracing him

                                            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                            https://blockchain.info/address/1KdjnkMusbE7yS7UbVgzB1DYnrAKxgDCXh

                                            is where hes putting alot of the coins right now, he transfers ever 2 confirmations

                                            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                                            This is the greatest thing. Anywhere we can tip you?

                                            [–]271828182 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                            +/u/bitcointip sheeproadreloaded2 0.001 BTC

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                                              [–]pepsiconker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                              I think this could be happening.

                                              I've been scammed, by a guy from a website called Etsy, I believe this isn a American because it has links with another scam on eBay, proven to be an America.

                                              My money which has been scammed is ending up in this guys £200m wallet.

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                                                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                                                If your goal is to catch him stop letting him know you're on to him. It will only make it harder to trace in the long run.

                                                Or is there something I'm missing here?

                                                [–]Deriksson 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                By giving us the address we can track where the bitcoins move and follow them easier, more eyes on the coins means that one person doesn't have to spend all day following him around the darknet. Plus the .000666 gets him running scared cause he knows we know where our money is. At least this is my understanding.

                                                [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                                                yeah. You're missing pretty much everything.
                                                think he knows that 150,000 btc might be missed.

                                                The only way to catch him is for everyone to know. Not just two of us. we're not the police. everyone can see the blockchain.

                                                If we didn't talk on here,you'd still be moving funds into sheep.

                                                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                I think he's wondering about the 0.00666, not talking here

                                                [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                                Some user called DireBowels emailed me to let me know that he knows I was running SheepMarketplace, and I'm pretending to investigate myself whilst getting away with it.

                                                That's a brilliantly confusing masterplan! I woulda got away with it too if it wasn't for DB!

                                                You got me bang to rights. I never reconed on coming face to face with a genius like you.

                                                Its a fair cop.

                                                [–]Marlon_Biscuit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                emailed you to tell you that? lol

                                                [–]Loliita 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                I put up a note with an email for contact. i transferred .001 BTC.

                                                I will check that email regularly. who knows, could help.

                                                https://blockchain.info/address/1CbR8da9YPZqXJJKm9ze1GYf67eKAUfXwP

                                                [–]pepsiconker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                Keep at it guys, I've had $700 stolen, I'll donate if needed.

                                                Don't let this piece of crap get away with it!

                                                [–]Defragster 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                                Could anyone actually explain what "tumbling" is and how it's done at the moment?

                                                [–]moosejacket 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                You put your BTC in with a group of other's BTC, it get's mixed around and you get the same amount back, but the BTC you receive are not all the same BTC you put in.

                                                [–]SPC_Bitcoin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                Its the bitcoin equivalent of money laundering. obfuscating the chain of ownership.

                                                [–]ouioui1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                How can people help? Good work guys!

                                                I bet this thieving bastard is shitting himself. All I want is for him/them to not be able to cash out the coins and spend the rest of their (probably short) life in hiding and crapping their pants. It's not just about stealing money but about taking away people's choice to use these markets. Why have people got to get greedy?!

                                                [–]SPC_Bitcoin 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                                How was this address labeled "sheep market scam"? doesn't the owner of the address have to do that?

                                                [–]millsdmb 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                you can submit an address tag to blockchain.info

                                                [–]SPC_Bitcoin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                thx, I'll look into that

                                                [–]V1ruk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                So sheeproadreloaded 2, and thenodmanout. What you're saying is, the bitcoin wallet pool is like a tree, and all you had to do was follow addresses to the last branch?

                                                Now I'm assuming he tried to fork out to different accounts and fork back <><><>etc. and all you had to do was follow a path, and then follow another and compare the wallets until you landed on the same wallet twice?

                                                I'd actually be shocked if no one had done that before. I've never gotten into sorting through the blockchain, but I assume with time you could track the movement of every coin in a large graph.

                                                Just mapping out this guys coin movements though might be quite interesting from a research perspective, and also by publicly shaming the guy and trying to prevent him from being able to ever move the coins.

                                                It's interesting that this is essentially the same strategy people use to move their money through tax shelters to prevent tracing.

                                                There are ways out of this though, which I'm sure he's drawing up right now. You may have made a mistake by alerting him to your existence.

                                                [–]ball13us 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                                                How can I go about gaining access to /r/operationczechmate? I've been following this story for the last week and have read all there is on the open forum. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

                                                [–]stalker642 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                                Same question here. I'm not involved in this business, I'm just fascinated with the story.

                                                [–]LeDogeSuchPwnage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                Same, this is a reaally amazing story!

                                                [–]kadoatie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                I wish I knew, this is horribly fascinating.

                                                [–]Oto-bahn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                re. I'm not involved in this business, I'm just fascinated

                                                I got BTC address @ BTC-e.com showing movement of SMP coins through my account, just like others have posted here. Want some more info on that and weight in on it.

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                                                  [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                                                  You are him

                                                  [–]Oto-bahn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                  I got the same problem.

                                                  [–]screenclear 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                                                  What's your BTC-e wallet address? How do you know he did that?

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                                                    [–]screenclear 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                    My BTC-e address also received 2 btc and sent them to 1CbR8da9YPZqXJJKm9ze1GYf67eKAUfXwP (which is tagget as the "Sheep Scam address").

                                                    IMHO that means 1CbR8da9YPZqXJJKm9ze1GYf67eKAUfXwP is a BTC-e address, which would be pretty relevant information.

                                                    My BTC-e address is: 176vFCXejPfioAYjg5zuAmiXfqUKAuxztV

                                                    [–]throwaway127849823 1 point2 points  (6 children)

                                                    Full DOX here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/182368464/2013-11-03-sheepmarketplace-doxxing.maff opened in Firefox + MAFF addon for firefox

                                                    [–]Mutagenicrad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                    This is a fascinating thread, but I have to ask- Is this just an interesting exercise? what's the likelihood this is going to lead us to the identity? Remote? 50/50? Likely?

                                                    [–]throwaway127849823 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                    “You can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future.” - Steve Jobs

                                                    This one's for Tomáš: “Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.” - Dr. Seuss

                                                    [–]Mutagenicrad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                    that's great information throwaway. Looks pretty convincing I must say.

                                                    [–]homm88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                    ?

                                                    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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                                                      [–]Mutagenicrad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                      that fucking guy? u r serious?

                                                      [–]raithe1337 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                      Pretty interesting thread to watch.

                                                      https://blockchain.info/address/1Jwvku4Ruyeig4dwHzjWrgResBiM3Upzgs 1.5m on this wallet right now.

                                                      [–]Kirzilla 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                      I've read a whole thread, but still can't understand how could this hack be made? Please help to understand. Here are some words about how I see it...

                                                      Every SM client have his own account SM with virtual wallet. So, to make a purchase they have to feed their personal SM account from their real bitcoin wallet, right?

                                                      So, attacker has found a bug/hole in SM software and was able to control accounts and fake it's current balances, right? While SM clients were watching at their fake balances - attacker has moved money from victim's accounts to another wallets (which are under his control)?

                                                      By the way, why not to make purchases directly from your wallet? Why middle in the man account (SM account) is needed? (I'll try to guess - because SM have to control it to take a purchase fee, right?)

                                                      PS: Sorry for my English.

                                                      [–]Capitalmind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                      Excellent work, thank you. It'll all come out in the 'wash', to play on money laundering, philosophical anecdotes. One of the beauties of Bitcoin, even though it's decentralised, is that you're trackable. You may steal or rather 'take control' of poorly secured coins but to cash out, you can be trailed. Imagine a world where we could hold a central bank like Lehman brothers this way! Like a credit union, Bitcoin/decentralised currency puts power back in the hands of the users making the inherent currency valuable and traded properly as an open service for the members/users rather than a product or derivative a corporation sells.

                                                      [–]roymarvelous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                      No one may get their money back but justice can still catch up with "Tomas".

                                                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                                      II am highly skeptical of anything non tangible at this point in history

                                                      [–]ninjalong 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                      same goes for the amount of money you have when you log into your bank account in those archaic bank systems.

                                                      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                      yep

                                                      [–]Defunkt_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                      If i was the piece of shit that did this (if it's not conspiracy theory group 101) then i would say this reddit is a great place to start on how to "get away with it" A lot of people tracking these persons but an alarming amount of detail given here how he/they can get away with it also. A lot of people with real knowledge on this matter should really be more careful on what they share maybe.

                                                      [–]bamboocha1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                      If this guy had any brains he'd just drop like 90.000 BTC to some charity fund like those after Phillipines disaster, and get rid of a truckload of hot potatos that way. Just imagine the confusion and inability to really do anything.

                                                      Then he could over time easily thumble those few thousands he had left (which would at current rate still be absurd fortune in few years time) and just dissapear into the sunset.

                                                      [–]Angrydopefiend 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                      The 90k is not some guy, it's a BTC-E wallet, the guy has been cashing over the last weeks... He tuk ur Coinz!!!

                                                      [–]7DaysInSunnyJune 3 points4 points  (5 children)

                                                      I'm still pretty new to cryptocurrencies, but this idea crossed my mind.

                                                      My question is, what happens if the thief decided to randomly give away, say 10000 bitcoins to hundreds of other people who have nothing to do with the heist. Sure, it probably might signify a loss for the thief, but wouldn't that cause a major confusion for the people following the thief?

                                                      Some random guy getting a 50BTC deposit on his active wallet would seem kinda fishy by itself and everyone would blame him, but what if other 199 people get similar deposits? How could you spot those who are involved and those who are innocent?

                                                      [–]BTC_repentance 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                                                      At some point you need to try to get the funds back together or make them liquid.

                                                      One limitation this person has is that there aren't a whole lot of high ticket items you can buy with Bitcoin. Dirty cash can be rerouted a few times until you can either spend it directly without suspicion or use it to buy things which can then be sold, giving you "clean" cash with an apparently legitimate source. You can also use cash heavy businesses to launder it, whereas not a lot of cash heavy businesses are going to want large amounts of BTC and legitimate BTC heavy businesses aren't going to be able to absorb the sheer quantity this person needs to exchange for untainted coins.

                                                      This person could sacrifice a lot of funds in an attempt to obscure where the BTC are going, but at some point they're going to want to use the BTC they've held onto, either to buy things or to convert to conventional currency. Because they're going to have to break this up into so many separate wallets and try to avoid any patterns which would be easy to detect, there's a good chance they're going to trip up somewhere.

                                                      The thief doesn't have enough BTC of their own to effectively mix those BTC with their own. The wallets they control will still hold mostly tainted BTC for quite a while. They'll run into AML problems trying to get rid of the BTC through exchanges. They'll run into problems trying to get rid of them OTC because there simply aren't a lot of potential buyers for very large OTC quantities of BTC, so they'll need to get rid of them in smaller quantities and in different locations if they go that route. They can pay people to help with is but every extra person you involve increases the risk of detection.

                                                      Let's also not forget that even though authorities might not care about drug buyers and sellers losing their BTC, they do care about the operation of an illegal drug marketplace - they have reasons to go after SMP which are unrelated to the theft and it's possible that because of the theft people will give them information they wouldn't have otherwise disclosed.

                                                      [–]7DaysInSunnyJune 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                                                      So, on the long run they will be caught unless they stop moving the bitcoins completely.

                                                      Thanks a lot for the explanation!

                                                      [–]BTC_repentance 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                      It's possible that they wouldn't get caught if they were patient enough and clever enough, but their actions so far don't support the idea that they're patient and I doubt they have cash buyers for large amounts of BTC already lined up.

                                                      If they had good enough connections to cash them out somewhere like China, they wouldn't have needed to make lame attempts at tumbling them in the first place (there are plenty of people who won't care about the fact that the BTC are stolen, as long as they'll be able to cash out/spend any tainted coins they buy).

                                                      [–]MechanicalTears 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                      Good explanation...damn this is the most interesting shit I'v seen go down in ages

                                                      [–]arnold__layne 1 point2 points  (14 children)

                                                      I'm not too savvy on Bitcoin - could someone explain what this is doing? How is this significant to "hurting" the asshole? ELI5?

                                                      [–]jaspersbeard 20 points21 points  (13 children)

                                                      I'm no expert but here's my take. Hope it helps!

                                                      Whomever is in possession of the stolen money is trying to launder it so they can't be traced when they convert the bitcoins to cash.

                                                      Imagine if each US dollar had a specific serial number attached to it and that every time it was transferred to someone else's wallet (or bank account, or sack hidden under their bed, or treasure chest, etc), you could view that transfer online. You couldn't necessarily see where that wallet was located, but you could see it was transferred to THAT wallet (wherever it might be).

                                                      Now imagine someone robbed a bank and is currently holding an EPIC amount of cash (more than you ever conceivably could or would find in virtually ANY other wallet). So everyone can see this pile of cash in your wallet. All of those serial numbers of dirty though. You can't just go spend it because it's dirty money. Try to spend it or trade it as-is, and you will help those hunting you start to pin-point your location (services you're using, your account details associated with those services, etc). Plus many legitimate services can be coerced into legally handing over details to the authorities.

                                                      So you have to launder. In order to do so, this dirty money needs to be mixed with other people's clean money. If done correctly this dirty cash would enter a huge wallet of other people's cash. And everyone in the pool receives new cash (some dirty, some clean). Keep rinsing until all of of your cash (or almost all of it) is clean - no dirty serial numbers associated with the heist.

                                                      Unfortunately this robber's wallet is WAY too big. There are no pools big enough to mix into. He'll keep receiving almost all of his own money back because no one else has that much to put in. To help get people off his tail, he's moving his money though hundreds of wallets - slicing and dicing the whole way though. There's a trail of transactions you can watch but you have to keep up to see if/when he cashes out. Fortunately we've got people here who ARE watching and following. And by inserting occasional bits of clean cash into the robber's wallet, it becomes easier to watch where the flows are going. And it freaks him out because he knows people are watching and successfully following.

                                                      So it's not hurting him...yet. But it's definitely freaking him out - ultimately because if he slips up anywhere, his identity can be revealed (and with people/organizations already willing to pay $40,000 just for his identity, it's pretty clear he'll die).

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                                                      [–]cratos333 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                                                      This is what I'm not understanding. What's from stopping him from dropping 10 btc in a tumbler every week? At this price point, he would be pulling in $40k a month. I'm sure said person would be fine with living on $500k a year while being safe. He would essentially have an endless supply of money. Yeah he might not be able to pull out millions at a time but he certainly will have enough to live a good life. Maybe someone can clarify. I don't know the process that well.

                                                      [–]direbowels 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                      I thought I read that he's doing this to pay off scary people to whom he owes money?

                                                      [–]lulboat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                      how does his identity be revealed exactly? I thought your identity can't be traced from using bitcoins?

                                                      [–]jaspersbeard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                      Using bitcoins can't generally reveal your identity - it's cashing them out that can. Which is usually a major issue for the vendors on markets like this. He's going to have to sell these bitcoins for real world currency at some point.

                                                      If uses a large, legitimate bitcoin service (which can handle larger bitcoin transactions) he'll need a bank account, a paypal account, or something similar - a lot more traceable. If he uses smaller, less legitimate services he'll have more anonymity (such as just having cash mailed to a specific address) but those sources can't generally handle very large transactions (certainly not millions of dollars worth of bitcoins).

                                                      So as long as OP follows the bitcoin crumbs long enough, we'll eventually reach the point where he starts cashing out.

                                                      [–]arnold__layne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                      Thanks! This is a great explanation :)

                                                      [–]smokefp 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                                                      Hi i found this topic, read it and got idea ;)

                                                      What about hire an detective in the Czech republic and let him to do his work? I think its already known enough about "Tomas"...

                                                      [–]TheIncredibleWalrus 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                                                      I'm pretty sure half the Czech mafia is looking for him by this point.

                                                      [–]smokefp 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                                                      But what you prefer a) let mafia try to get money back with yours also or b) get him before mafia do this?

                                                      [–]TheIncredibleWalrus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                                      What I mean is that no PR would probably take a job like this because it's very dangerous and also that no PR could outperform the mafia :)

                                                      [–]smokefp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                      ok you're right, but...... :)

                                                      [–]IBeforeSky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                      Maybe he is the mafia

                                                      [–]throwaway3454392 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                                      umm..... I am pretty sure that the bitcoin address 1CbR8da9YPZqXJJKm9ze1GYf67eKAUfXwP belongs to BTC-E exchange site.

                                                      [–]iDox_ -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                                                      New user comes on to make 2 posts claiming its BTC-E's adress? Hey tomas.

                                                      [–]maxdual 1 point2 points  (6 children)

                                                      This sounds like a wild goose chase or a red-herring. It's not likely that SMP had 96k in escrow while SR had 24k in escrow when the feds took it down. My estimate is that the guy ran off with at most 5k BTC because SMP seems to be a fifth of the size of SR when it was taken down.

                                                      [–]redditisgay 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                                                      Being a complex heist, I'd say this is a definite possibility. The number of people that may try to help him unload this money despite the risks almost ensures that somebody will create endless red herrings.

                                                      [–]maxdual 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                                      The red-herring here is posts like this one on reddit. It doesn't take much to point to large unusual transactions on the ledger. Look there! then get away with the actual stolen money that's probably less than 5000BTC. How large was the SR-Black-Flag scam? Few hundred BTC? well Sheep was a bit bigger but not much bigger.

                                                      [–]redditisgay 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                      From what I'm understanding this pile of stolen money is growing with what is seemingly huge amounts of other probably stolen bitcoins, and Sheep is just a portion of the total.

                                                      I could be understanding the pieces incorrectly, but this is looking like a scammer slush fund.

                                                      [–]maxdual 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                      It's too big for a crappy operation like Sheep. It's four times as big as SR's escrow/vendor/buyer accounts. I haven't a clue what the accounts look like. But I am certain that this is not the scam money from Sheep.

                                                      Look at BMR for example. It's bigger than Sheep. If Sheep could scam thins kind of money, BMR would be doing it too. I also have no doubt that even the original DPR on SR would have been tempted by this.

                                                      The Sheep scam is bigger than the black-flag puny scam but not by much and not 96k.

                                                      [–]iDox_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                      You're forgetting sheep accumulated BTCs over quite a while

                                                      [–]iDox_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                      They were gathering BTC's for a while though don't forget. SR was taken by surprise.

                                                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                      Serious question, where does start to learn things like this. I've pretty knowledgeable in Crypto's and attend a major tech university for Information Security and Forensics, but obviously, stuff like this tracknig blockchains is not curriculum and would love to invest time of my own. Are there any good resource sites on just the workings of blockchain I would be able to read up on?

                                                      [–]icdit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                      Very nice! nicely done!

                                                      [–]dreadly1217 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                      Hot damn.

                                                      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                      That's insane man, must of had a hell of a time!

                                                      [–]bannadan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                      You are wonderful

                                                      [–]Loliita 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                      Wow. You are amazing

                                                      Great work. I mean. Wow

                                                      [–]trancephorm 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                                                      I don't quite get what's the deal with tumblers and mixed when you can connect to Bitcoin through Tor? Can somebody explain?

                                                      [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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                                                        [–]trancephorm 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                                        Any sane thief would use Tor network and he is safe then...

                                                        [–]adeadhead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                        This isn't a matter of finding an IP address, which is what Tor hides. wallets are all publicly accessible, and the tumblers are to hide the identity of the bitcoins passing through them, so that we can't just see where the bitcoins have been.

                                                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                        I don't know much about these mixing services.

                                                        Can someone give a technical explanation of how the mixing works and how exactly OP managed to trace him?

                                                        how did OP know his coins would be moved along the same path as the thief's?

                                                        no, wait, the bitcoins OP received from fog came from the same address as the bitcoins the thief received?

                                                        and if the thief moves in and out 92k bitcoins, wouldn't regular analysis of the addresses belonging to fog also show up the receiving address without sending your own coins through at the same time?

                                                        [–]danohuiginn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                        AIUI, the OP could follow the amounts being moved.

                                                        Put 1000 BTC into the tumbler, get 1000 out, and you blend into the crowd.

                                                        Put 1000.00666 in, and we can wait to see where 1000.00666 come out.

                                                        [would appreciate corrections if I've misunderstood. Also, won't .666 come up fairly often, being 2/3? why not some really random figure?]

                                                        [–]deedoedee 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                        It may be worth watching bitcoin help sites over the next few hours/days for posts by him trying to find help losing you. Find someone that maybe speaks his native language, scour the onion network and freeweb for someone trying to "lose a tail" on bitcoin.

                                                        Not sure if you're doing this or if it's been suggested, but with that much money at stake, I would be hiring a team.

                                                        [–]Eltharian1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                        If you follow some of his transfers you can see he is using accounts that are some over a year old It seems he has been doing this for ages. Follow the transfers and you can see it all there. He knows what he is doing but the problem is the amount of coins. If he keeps at it for a month he may be ok as the amounts are getting smaller.

                                                        [–]deathcapt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                        If you follow him, don't let him know you know. If he sees this, then he's going to tumble again, and you're SOL. Wait until it goes into an exchange or some other place with a real identity or something.

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                                                          [–]flibbrMarketplace 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          Brilliant stuff, great work !

                                                          [–]Karl-Friedrich_Lenz 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                                                          Why does that "bitcoinfog" operator try to help this thief getting away with his money? Shouldn't they decline business of this kind? Do they have any sort of process in place for checking against this obvious abuse?

                                                          [–]djmacky 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                          Because he is providing the service that he built. also doesn't he get like 2% of every transaction? That's a shit load of money for himself to do something that he isn't being forced to do.

                                                          [–]iDox_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                          3 million every tumble cycle I heard. Why get involved in something where you're getting 3 million dollars for doing nothing.

                                                          Mind you, he could take the 100mil, do some giveaway thing, and he'd look like a hero

                                                          [–]Miz_pizzyizz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          deliciously wicked, deviously executed, well done, done well

                                                          -respect

                                                          [–]djmacky 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                          I say it's the guys from the cryptolocker Ransomware

                                                          [–]sheapmarket 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          This!

                                                          [–]iDox_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          Ok so lets say the wallet with 96k isnt the sheep scammers. What about all that gwern stuff, and the direct links to this tomas guy and his girlfriend. They're still suspicious as a donkey.

                                                          [–]armodillo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          Go get him!

                                                          [–]Arabiansands 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          Hurdles: 1- keep tracing funds 2- link them to a traceable transaction 3- link that transaction to a real identity of a real human 4- locate that human by physical location 5- double check and prove beyond all possible doubt that this person is guilty, not framed, mistaken, patsy, unwitting accomplice etc etc. 6- exact justice...meaning what? Ninjas? Legal system? (Yeah right)

                                                          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          We have to keep track of these coins.

                                                          [–]prozacgod 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                                                          Am I the only one who thinks "the block chain is a permanent history, why do you need to follow someone in realtime?"

                                                          I don't understand why putting x coin into his wallets gains you, how is this helping to track his wallet?

                                                          [–]offatthenextexit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                          he put x coin into the tumblr so he could see where it ended up, which would likely be one of the addresses used by the guy running away, i think. this has to be done in real time as the coins are being tumbled otherwise you'd have to trace back and map out the whole tumbler i think? could be wrong tho

                                                          [–]prozacgod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                          That makes complete sense, the goal was to find the destination of the tumblers, after guessing which tumbler he was using, indeed realtime would be required for that!

                                                          [–]mammograms 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          How do you collect the bounty on this guy

                                                          [–]smproader 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                                                          I wonder if anyones now realised that by marking all the coins like this anyone who sent from their own wallet can now be backtraced to their change addresses.

                                                          [–]boulderballs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          why?

                                                          [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                          Doesn't matter. Either the end of the path is marked, or halfway.

                                                          The crook knows his own addresses, anyway. I don't know why he doesn't just give me my bitcoin back!

                                                          He started tumbling 350BTC chunks of that main wallet. Everyone seems too interested in begging instead of following them.

                                                          I just caught up with five and marked them, its a terrible tumbler! Just click on the chunk that is largest each stage!

                                                          [–]Marlon_Biscuit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          Is that the five you put up before? They had a stupid amount in.

                                                          [–]Apparati 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          Have his email?

                                                          [–]czechmatethem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          sheepreloaded2 reply to my messages please

                                                          [–]oreotiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          I understand that this person can't cash out, because then they lose their real-world anonymity.

                                                          But what happens if they cash out into another cryptocoin on an exchange, for instance? If he sends 10 BTC, say, to an address he generates on an exchange, we see it in the blockchain as a transaction to that address. But then what? If he buys 1 BTC of another coin, say LTC, then we see 1 BTC go out from that address to another address... but we don't see the LTC link. We don't have a way of correlating that, do we?

                                                          I'm not big on how this works, but, how can we track him over that hurdle?

                                                          [–]Angrydopefiend 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          How can I help? at the moment I'm just following the breadcrumbtrail

                                                          [–]molotovkid 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                                                          I know nothing about Bitcoin...but this story is some fucked up shit ! Anyways...I am wondering, this guy who has boosted these bitcoins...is he losing bitcoins every time he has to tumble his holding to shake you guys off ie. in transaction costs ? So ultimately, if he just keeps tumbling, he will have no Bitcoins left to tumble, due to the transaction costs?

                                                          So the end winners are those offering the tumbling service, is this right ? Also, how does someone cash out your bitcoins when you have them and convert them into hard cash?

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                                                            [–]molotovkid 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                            Are you talking the value of his coins, not the number of them? I thought there was only 21m Bitcoins created ?

                                                            [–]Marlon_Biscuit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            The obvious siphon here is the tumbler surely?

                                                            [–]pepsiconker 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                            WTF is going on, this guy is still doing it. He's got his hands on more of my money!!!

                                                            [–]FP444 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                            Wtf are you talking about?? Maybe you got hacked, man.

                                                            [–]pepsiconker 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                            Guys, why is my money ending up in his wallet?

                                                            I got scammed on a purchase, and I've tracked the money, and it's gone into this 200m wallet.

                                                            Why would the guy be scamming people for $7000 when he's got this much money?!?!?!

                                                            [–]pepsiconker 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                            I think he is using other people to Tumble with him, and giving them profit.

                                                            I've had £7k scammed, along with $600, and both sums ended up in this guy $200m wallet.

                                                            Pretty sure the guy isn't scamming people online for $7k

                                                            [–]FP444 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                            Do you have a problem to understand?! He is not stealing you, ITS EVERYONE WHO WAS USING SHEEP.

                                                            [–]deed02392 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            Would you have been able to track them if you weren't in active pursuit? For example if in a few years' time you get bored and no one is watching, couldn't he go through a few tumblers then such that the trail goes cold (presuming the tumbling service exchanges his coins for entirely someone else in the tumblers' coins and deletes the record of who swapped with who)?

                                                            [–]pepsiconker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            My guy has just sent the money he scammed me into

                                                            https://blockchain.info/address/174psvzt77NgEC373xSZWm9gYXqz4sTJjn

                                                            I think this is one huge tumbling service for everyone to use

                                                            [–]KirkNJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            would this guy gain anything if he were to convert some of the stolen bitcoins into other altcoins? or would getting the bitcoins onto the exchange to swap btcs to let say ltcs be not possible

                                                            [–]puterealibertatii 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            Cum sa

                                                            [–]ColdHard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            Sheep makes Silk's security look godlike by comparison.

                                                            [–]willworkforbitcoin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            Maybe they can auction off parts of him on ebay? for bitcoins...

                                                            [–]fuckoffplsthankyou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            So, what's stopping this guy from just tumbling 10 coins here and there and sending the rest to a cold wallet and sitting on it?

                                                            [–]mrnice94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxWJd3w3QPs

                                                            1LyKVTdvaKiHpjny42ipEZs5crdSHwxcJr

                                                            [–]ryolitex 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                            What if he uses an exchange like btc-e to change them into LTC then sends the LTC to someplace and cashes them out or trades back for clean BTC?

                                                            [–]corporate_complicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            Dammit. Don't give this piece of shit any ideas. But, yeah, he'll probably use a mixing service then sit on the fortune for years before attempting to spend/exchange it. Swapping to LTC would indeed cover his tracks even more.

                                                            [–]claudybunni 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            the money is still hopping like bunnies :3

                                                            anyway

                                                            https://blockchain.info/address/1JA6fbG1CmX5hytVHc4D87KZ8nJyEkdMjV a large chunk that i've been tracing while reading trough the thread

                                                            [–]behnaam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            A possible way (not morally correct maybe) could be to look for possible exploits on the servers hosting Multibit client updates, bundle "malware" with the Multibit updates, that looks for the "earmarked" BTCs in wallets. When the "dirty" wallets are found, data about the system running the client could be retrieved. Resulting in details about the thief, no?

                                                            If the fact about him using MB, according to sheeproreloaded2, is correct.

                                                            [–]Arclite83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            I’m not an expert at this in any sense of the word, so take all these with a grain of salt.

                                                            (Late last month) https://blockchain.info/address/1Ne5bGjDdgmbsGdNK9ocwrQiWf8K1FTuSa Full boat, ish.

                                                            (Over this weekend) https://blockchain.info/address/17n5Ycui6WqiQUv8CQGZQ3p5s8nQ2R5ACx He’s breaking it down: I suspect at this point he’s tumbling pieces into multiple accounts to make them small enough to avoid detection.

                                                            At this point I’ve lost it - from the timestamps, it’s still tumbling. I have several leads but until it starts to regroup it’s tough to know what’s real and what’s not.

                                                            I have no vested interest in these coins (I didn’t use Sheep, and I don’t own Bitcoins) but I hope these people get caught! Good luck!

                                                            [–]masumseo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            try to get back lost bitcoin. I don't know that it won't be shameless. It's really amazing event.I guess, Bitcoin is legal. To write about Bitcoin pls visit this web.......... https://bitmixer.io

                                                            [–]dennisonb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            Any update?

                                                            [–]xastey_ 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                                                            You would think that bitcoin would have a "re-route" switch for cases like this. I have no clue were the coins would go but if we know the address of known thefts It should be possible to have a blacklist for this. Its one of the flaws of bitcoin going mainstream IMO.

                                                            [–]themusicgod1 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                                                            It should be possible to have a blacklist for this.

                                                            Blacklists reduce the fungability and hence value of bitcoin and there is no entity that is capable of maintaining them without political influence. Also good luck enforcing it.

                                                            [–]xastey_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                            Well I was thinking mostly when an instance like this happens. Giving the value is on the come up it seem that bitcoin is going to start to become more enticing to hackers then it was for say 2012. Like I said I'm not sure how this would play out and how you would say return the coins to the users that were hacked.. but when a large some of coins are stolen then add the fact that for the thief to ever cash out the coins it seems that after some time the amount of trading coins would diminish over time(since they can't cash out). But I guess the fact that bitcoin is priced off a Supply and Demand factor it will work all out in the long run.

                                                            [–]themusicgod1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            They can cash out. That's the point. They just have to be careful which from the sounds of it, this guy ain't.

                                                            [–]millsdmb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                            /u/MikeHearn would agree with you.

                                                            To spite this huge case, we do not need redlisting

                                                            [–]jdb12 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                                                            I'm confused. What exactly are you doing and how are you going to recover any money?

                                                            [–]pepsiconker 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                                            It's not about the money now, that's pretty much gone, but if this prick can't spend any of it, then that's a nice consolation.

                                                            [–]jdb12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                            Ah. I still don't really understand what's going on at all though. Can you explain?

                                                            [–]moopsiepie 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                            lol OP is the one behind the scam

                                                            [–]FP444 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                            HEY GUYS ITS THIS ONE!!!! HE IS THE GUY WE ARE LOOKING FOR!!!!!

                                                            [–]shakethatbass 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                            no offense, but this guy doesn't seem to be "good" at all, just stupid, scared and greedy, which makes me even more sure that's the former SM's owner that screwed you over.

                                                            edit: that's not saying, that you haven't done outstanding job

                                                            [–]FP444 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                            What have YOU done?

                                                            [–]BillCorg -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                                                            I hope this guy who stole everyone's money will eventually be killed.

                                                            [–]scruffwuff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            im sure something will leak or someone will talk or blackmail... i mean seriously.. the amount of money stolen is insane... people kill for 10's of thousands of dollars... let alone millions... and the majority of business had to do with drugs which is sometimes associated with large gangs/organizations/groups/ and who knows... maybe even governments.... to some people its their job and life, and some people will never stop to get whats theirs... i wouldnt be suprised if someone involved were to be in the news or announced dead sometime in the near future....

                                                            [–]mammograms -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                            I wouldn't worry about that, this guy is dead meat

                                                            [–]asfeuer -1 points0 points  (4 children)

                                                            Sheepreloaded2, My name is Alan Feuer and I'm a reporter for the New York Times. I'd love to talk offline about your and NodManOut's chase of the SheepMarketplace thief. Any chance you might email me at feuer@nytimes.com to arrange an opportunity to talk? Thanks, Alan

                                                            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                                                            Hello Alan.

                                                            I said I was giving up the chase (well, its quite a dry auditing exercise really, but you have to give real-life examples when explaining computer-related stuff like bitcoin. But I keep getting drawn back to my laptop. Every now and again I go for a walk through the dripping tunnels of the blockchain, find an interesting ladder fixed to a wall, and pop up in a busy street. Or a grille with steam coming out of it for some reason, if Its New York.

                                                            I popped up on another of those strange little gambling sites that don't actually seem to do anything but light up like a pinball machine, called

                                                            https://just-dice.com/

                                                            and I clicked on "chat". these places always seem to have people talking gibberish. Its a whole new world of mathematical bitcoin smashing that I never knew about. You pull a handle like a monkey and millionth of a bitcoin clinks into a mug. God knows why, or where it came from, or what's happening in the sewers underneath.

                                                            Users,if they are human, think they're pulling the arm of a slot machine, but they seem to be just slicing bitcoin like pavlov's dogs with a paper guilotine. Everything looks cheap, like Blackpool (or that place run by apache indians). DOS programs rather than Las vegas. You can smell the drains.

                                                            I was nosing about, then I found somebody had written a program for the customers to prove they're not being cheated.

                                                            http://bitcoinmaniac.com/

                                                            by a programmer called moonshire.

                                                            " My Interests:

                                                            I am interested in programming and bitcoin, and hopefully soon, how I can bring those two together. I like to play games on Steam, like Half-Life and Team Fortress 2. I enjoy creating things that others will like and use. I aspire to one day be a great programmer and to work at a prestigious company. ".

                                                            I clicked all the buttons, reading things about limiting the outputs of bitcoin wallets, and his bitcointalk profile

                                                            Can you guarantee my anonimity? I'm not too sure of my moral ground, because the sheepmarket owner only did what the FBI would have done with drug money. Its like robbing a robber who robbed drug dealers, or driving the wrong way down a one-way street - except in reverse. Did I do a good thing?

                                                            They say poachers make the best game-keepers. I possibly displayed a little too much knowledge of the problems when you anonymously turn bitcoin into cash.

                                                            I pictured sheepmarket like a huge flying saucer hovering over Bratislava, blocking out the sky. The bitcoin wallets were round the edge of the saucer. The owner had a big one right at the hub of the saucer, connected to an internal accountancy system that told everyone what their bitcoin wallet balance was (or any number he wanted, really).

                                                            He held all the wallet deposit addresses and their keys, not the vendors and customers out on the circular trading floor, a mile in circumference. Customers put bitcoin in, and took drugs and fake IDs out. Vendors put drugs in, and took bitcoin out.

                                                            There is very little exchange infrastructure for bitcoin yet, and no "culture",if you understand what I mean. Turning more than a few bitcoins at a time into cash is where a vendor can get "doxxed" (a word which I recon is less than a month old. I take it to mean "de-anonymised").

                                                            My own morals tell me that a crime without a victim isn't a crime, but theft IS. Drug vendors who don't steal the customer's money, reply to emails, use the escrow and sell something tasty are beloved in the Silk Road model. Fair exchange is no robbery.

                                                            I ended up nosing about in the tunnels,popped up through a drain into a cheap-looking gaming arcade this morning.

                                                            https://just-dice.com/

                                                            Nobody wins or loses, the numbers mean nothing like the sheeproad bitcoin balances. You can hear small change tumbling down tubes and spraying out of a shower attachment into the stream of filth below.

                                                            I keep walking through this spray down in the tunnels. We're miles from Sheep Market, but you can still smell mutton. Its been curried, eaten, and flushed down the toilet. Its in my hair. My clothes smell of it. Then i remember that this is just an accountancy exercise.

                                                            I follow a slot machine programmer called "MooShire" across the street and I'm surprised to see him walk into reddit. I looked at my emails, and here I am.

                                                            [–]moopsiepie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                            Imagine

                                                            Met(h)aphor much? x)

                                                            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                            I've read that the sheep rustler sold the bitcoin immediately, all 400,000 bitcoins. I know bitcoin doesn't exist, but half a billion dollars? Imagine if it WAS real. It would be the greatest hiest in history, by an order of magnitude. 5% of the world's bitcoins, compared to the Winkelvi's 1%.

                                                            You know the massive bitcoin spike and crash in April? That's what happens if you try to buy 1% of the world's bitcoin too quickly, to make them into an ETF. A kind of broken form of bitcoin that somebody looks after for you

                                                            The days that the stolen bitcoins were suppodlly sold on BTC-E (according to somebody who's probably never sold a bitcoin), the bitcoin price was at a record high, rather than the massive crash you would expect. He did a good job, and got clean away with $500 million at its highest price ever.

                                                            But go down the drains. The water is still dark red with sheep entrails.

                                                            I'm less certain now, a long way downstream from the kitchens the carcass passed through in late November. the moneys all up there on the surface, in a proper bank. I don't know any more. I don't have powers of arrest, but the first 24 hours after a crime are the critical ones and everywhere I found stolen bitcoins, I pulled my trousers down and deposited 0.00666BTC in it, so it could be tracked in the future.

                                                            The Sheep was hoisted up by its back legs and smashed like a pinata on Nov 28th - two weeks ago now. The mutton is cold and starting to stink a bit. Whenever I'm not sure if its mutton or some other meat, I fire 0.000369 bitcoins into it. Its just interesting down in the blockchain. How the hell does this grey slot machine break even? this Just-Dice.com seems to be large enough for NASDAQ.

                                                            What sort of meat is it mincing?

                                                            https://blockchain.info/charts/received-per-day?address=14o7zMMUJkG6De24r3JkJ6USgChq7iWF86

                                                            500 bitcoins in those perfectly round number bundles I've been seeing for weeks. Half a million dollars every few minutes, multiplied by three accounts. Connected to that low-rent amusement arcade above these caverns.

                                                            The blockchain baffles me. Perhaps that's why I find it so hard to sell 3 bitcoin without giving my name, account number, sort code and wallet address to the world. I didn't even know about

                                                            https://bitsumo.com/index.html

                                                            until I heard this Mooshire guy talking about it. You can pay them with bitcoin to buy you anything from any website, no need to change it to paper money first.

                                                            For your interest, some more "Just-Dice cold storage account":-

                                                            https://blockchain.info/address/14o7zMMUJkG6De24r3JkJ6USgChq7iWF86

                                                            and

                                                            https://blockchain.info/address/1DufYig5sU89xzb8zuRzcmhFotN14v7nLr

                                                            and https://blockchain.info/address/1D6ZWDsih7Qtm7LvyrwBUFiyyp7Wgc2i7c

                                                            and

                                                            https://blockchain.info/address/1DufYig5sU89xzb8zuRzcmhFotN14v7nLr

                                                            its the craziness of bitcoin. People would chase a mugger for $20 cash, but that cheap slot machine is making tens of millions of dollars of bitcoins. When I moved my mouse hand to do some book keeping, people who know about these things said it was farcical and pointless.

                                                            One day, a computer program will go into the tunnels, see my "666" sprayed on the walls,and be able to tell me how I got it so way off. A program like this:-

                                                            http://miki.it/articles/papers/#bitiodine

                                                            [–]sheeproadreloaded2[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                            Bitcoin will be the world's reserve currency. I keep most of mine. Why would i sell more than I need? I'd have to buy them back with wheelbarrows of paper money being panic sold during "the Great changeover". If 1930s germany is anything to go by, it will be a chaotic time of social upheaval. Hitler observed the chaos from Munich beer halls. Some guy with 5% of the world's bitcoin never gets to spend it before he's dies and his private keys are handed to his son with his will. Chequered squares on a sheet of paper. Then, the untouched bundles of bitcoin that everyone thought belong to President Winkelvoss start to move.

                                                            Anyhoo, I'm rambling. yes, I will tell you everything I know. Click on this, and write down the title of a Beatles song about their drug dealer. have a pen ready, because the note will catch fire when you close it:-

                                                            https://quickforget.com/s/dd84afcc3287f208f6387e685ec49975

                                                            Enjoy the youtube link. Send me a bitcoin address and any 3 figure number, and I'll send it to your phone from my "Bloackchain Avenger" wallet. Its reserved for crime fighting and charitable philanthropy, starting "1Ah" - to prove its actually me. I hope that all those 666s in it will help to solve the greatest robbery in history, when people realise that some noughts and ones have moved about in a public database. I chased him, watching the trail get hotter each time. 28 confirmations. 16 confirmation. 6 confirmations - I'm about an hour behind him. 2 confirmations.

                                                            "unconfirmed transaction". I'm metaphorically standing in a bank with the guy who stole my bitcoin, so I throw loose change at his face screaming "WHERE'S MY FUCKING BITCOIN! WHERE'S MY FUCKING BITCOIN?" before he runs out of the bank lugging a suitcase. He didn't know what he was doing the first day i found him, I was face to face with him many times, flinging sixes in his face from that wallet. He must have known its address off by heart, but I still don't have my bitcoin.

                                                            If he'd just given it back, none of this would have happened. Well, it may still have, because I have other bitcoins. It was the principle of the thing. Everywhere I 666'ed, TheNosMan (who I've never met) followed up in his methodical way. I've got absolutely no idea who that anonymous hero is, but as I was waking up, he was usually going to bed in a different time zone.

                                                            Before I go, please allow me to leave you with a few hypothetical morality calls to mull over:-

                                                            Imagine you had a tunnel through which you, and money, can be sent back in time. It can only go BACK in time, so it's a one way trip.

                                                            Would you go back and kill Hitler?

                                                            People would wonder what the big deal is with you and the painter with the moustache. But you'd know which beer kellers to find him in.

                                                            Something as futuristic and perfect as the bitcoin protocol. Where did it suddenly come from? Why has nobody met it's inventor, even if they THINK they have? Its like a perfect virus that gets stronger as it eats all other money and gets on more computers and phones. There's nobody running it, but it flourishes untended. It survives a nuclear war so long as two computers are still on the web, and the public ledger called the blockchain is like a window into past crime. Central banks can't debase it. Banks can't lend 20 times more bitcoin than they have, b they are record shops and bitcoin is the mp3 of money. Not that they see it coming. People stop getting shot in drug deals gone wrong. The Feds took Silk Road down on Wednesday, but in the same way that nobody was ever paying for music ever again after using Napster, nobody was forced to endure a weekend without drugs. It was a close one though.

                                                            Where are the flipping FBI when you need them? Did all those little public insults in their Silk Road Seized account scare them out of the blockchain? Or were they too busy listening to Angela Merkel to notice the biggest heist of all time?

                                                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bank_robbers_and_robberies

                                                            The FBI have 3.5 of my bitcoins. The shepherd has 1. If I could catch him, I would willingly hand him and all the stolen bitcoin over, if they let Ross Ulbricht walk free and exchange Snowden for a spy in East Berlin. But I can't catch him. I'm just some bloke, not interpol.

                                                            [–]mjh808 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                                                            people don't store funds on ebay, why would you store bitcoin on a site like that? was it required so the site gets a cut on transactions?

                                                            [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                            This needs its own sub reddit.

                                                            Edit: I just thought about what the hell I just said, this is the sub for it. I'm sorry I'm an idiot sometimes. Not going to delete this as a punishment to my self to think before I speak. Bad /u/naughtynodding bad!

                                                            [–]SimranS -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                            If he was smart, he would deposit small amounts onto an exchange like BTC-e and trade the BTC for another coin like LTC and sell on from there for fiat if he/she pleases on a different BTC-e account, other exchanges, OTC, or LocalLitecoins or some shit. It's the only way the BTC can get rid off and off his hands, and no one would know about the other coin because now the exchange has his BTC, and most likely will be withdrawn to another wallet and that would be the end, you'll be chasing an innocent person who bought Bitcoin's without malicious intent.. and the LTC? Well, no one would know because no way you can track which LTC is his/her's because the LTC originated from the exchange's wallet completely CLEAN LTC... Just my thought... Only 2 things I can see about this "tumbling"/constant wallet changes.. if he's not stupid, he'd realize we have a blockchain and will always track the coins.. OR he's already sold portions, and now we'rd chasing BTC that either on an exchanges wallet that is moving around, or from exchange wallet(previously stated) to now an innocent person's wallet being circulated completely CLEAN or laundered of you please. Just my input.

                                                            [–]SimranS -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                                                            I think were all wasting our time chasing this and depositting Bitcoins for free for this person. You can't reverse Bitcoin transactions and you can't trace a wallet addy like an IP or email for the most part. This is the point of BTC. ANONYMITY! If this person know that he/she is sentimental, why would it read messages left on BlockChain.info? It can't see them on the QT or other wallets since the messages were discontinued on Sept. 2012... I think were all wasting our time, and even more money sending to this person. It has no remorse and will be punished one way or another. You guys were hacked and that's a fault of an online system exploit and Bitcoin's decentralization. Hey, maybe centralization at times might not be bad in these situations...

                                                            [–]aLcSiDd 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                            yes, that's the POINT of BTC, but that's not what it is. Bitcoin is not completely anonymous.

                                                            [–]2tights 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                            No guessing is required to understand the purpose of BitCoin. It was clearly defined, here: http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

                                                            "Abstract. A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution. Digital signatures provide part of the solution, but the main benefits are lost if a trusted third party is still required to prevent double-spending. We propose a solution to the double-spending problem using a peer-to-peer network. The network timestamps transactions by hashing them into an ongoing chain of hash-based proof-of-work, forming a record that cannot be changed without redoing the proof-of-work. The longest chain not only serves as proof of the sequence of events witnessed, but proof that it came from the largest pool of CPU power. As long as a majority of CPU power is controlled by nodes that are not cooperating to attack the network, they'll generate the longest chain and outpace attackers. The network itself requires minimal structure. Messages are broadcast on a best effort basis, and nodes can leave and rejoin the network at will, accepting the longest proof-of-work chain as proof of what happened while they were gone."

                                                            [–]darthsammy21 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                            I love it how the guy who stole the bit coins loses 1000 bit coins from the Sheep Market Scam, the scam he uses. Click the first blockchain link and scroll down a bit.

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