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[–]queryox1 10 points11 points  (1 child)

A gang from Manchester who were arrested after buying cards on the "DarkWeb" which you dont appear to have on there. (Unrelated to drugs)

Jailed: Fraudsters who used stolen credit card details from 'dark web' in £600k scam

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/jailed-fraudsters-who-used-stolen-8439826

[–]TheShaMAN465 2 points3 points  (5 children)

You wouldn't by any chance have a table or excel sheet of this data would you? I'm interested in performing some data analysis on it and seeing if any interesting trends pop up.

[–]TheShaMAN465 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I prefer R thank you so much

[–]hgbfiuvnourfvnrev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Post your findings here please :d

[–]Meanlock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They got sentenced to jail for 8 years rofl. Guess they'll be living like kings once they get released

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do you happen to know anything else about the case? I'm from Denmark as well. Such a fucking tragedy to have THESE guys in particular arrested, I've yet to come across as consistent, competent and integrous lab as those guys.

[–]Meanlock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No sadly, im also on loose feet. Trying to find a new source :I

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (10 children)

Ya know, as large as it is, there aren't that many arrests. The feds would have you believe that they are arresting people left and right.

[–]pinkflounder 0 points1 point  (9 children)

I'm curious how most of these buyers get arrested, I can't see what part of the process they have to fuck up for it to happen. I imagine it's people straight up buying bitcoins with a credit card, using their gmail account, and not even looking into encryption, then going off and buying from some random seller. I'd hope it's just idiot buyers getting arrested.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think a lot of the arrests are people who buy from the DNM to sell IRL. Someone they sell to gets caught and rats them out.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Some (most?) countries seem to not care so much about arresting buyers too, which might be a relief to buyers in the Netherlands, Canada, etc.

The US almost seems to crack down harder on users than on vendors. Easy notches on their belt perhaps, but pointless and arguably harmful to society as a whole.

[–]superfuckinggay 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I believe too that if LE has put a lot of resources into catching a vendor, then come up empty handed, they bust a few buyers and make it look like they actually did something.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Makes sense.

"Look sarge! We completely fucked up the lives of a few people who recreationally use substances to feel better, don't we deserve a medal?"

[–]honestlyimeanreally 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So despite the fact that not signing isn't foolproof, it's still recommended?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

yes, like condoms.

[–]honestlyimeanreally 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well condoms have a statistical basis for how effective they are; arrest avoidance from not signing is harder to quantify and we certainly don't know if their proportions are comparable.

[–]superfuckinggay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if a buyer did all of those things you listed, they'd likely never get in trouble. Gwern's page says in the conclusion that most of the arrests come from traditional intelligence gathering techniques like package profiling and CI's rather than signal, NSA style, intelligence.

[–]Big_Daddy_Trucknutz 8 points9 points  (14 children)

Seems like if you don't want the feds to fuck you in the ass you shouldn't sell MDMA or Xanax.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Have you ever seen LE state any kind of priority for drugs on the darknet? It seems like they treat them pretty much the same - just targets of opportunity.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

If that is true, it sounds like they are focusing on harm, which makes some sense. First priority is things which can be used to kill other people, then things which can be used to kill yourself. Drugs which can't kill are the lowest priority.

Almost makes too much sense for the government. :-)

[–]beerslol 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yeah, honestly, I kind of have this fantasy that when all the politics fade, most people in government are pretty logical. But when you cram a bunch of cameras in their faces and scrutinize every word they say, normal, rational people become nutty people.

[–]afkjones69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think all the money involved has a bit more to do with it.

[–]Structure3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, to be fair, all the xanax busts are buyers from xanax king.

[–]yourenotaneconomist 5 points6 points  (5 children)

It gives me a lot of relief seeing marijuana-only busts are fairly rare for buyers and there doesn't seem to be a single mushroom bust.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

DPR is arguably a mushroom bust.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

... i bet ross was a cool guy to smoke with. he strikes me as the kind of guy that would have a bunch of half baked but awesome schemes while high and then actually try to implement them... like running a mega million dollar online drug empire while learning how to program

[–]honestlyimeanreally 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fantastic, keep up the good work!

Send your spare change to TOR and Gwerny and maybe Snowden

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Whats the latest on XK? Can't find anything current. I thought his case was close to sentencing?

[–]sharpshooter789 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wish the criminal comaint was unsealed it would be interesting to see how he was caught; whether it was his IRL dealing or darknet dealing.

Also, I could have sworn XKs name was Jeremy and I didn't see that name in that link.

edit: I just checked /u/gwern's site and I was corrrect.

Jeremy Donagal M Xanax King

He was the ring leader.

[–]saystheleon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe you've tied those busts to the wrong vendor. I watched this go down on the forums, and there's overwhelming evidence that these CD's actually came from CanadianForger orders.

I was wondering why you were attributing this to luckyluciano, so I did a google search and found this post in an old /r/silkroad thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/196znd/care_to_comment_on_this_stateside_bust/c8lfwbj Wouldn't be surprised if the guy posting that was CanadianForger on a throwaway account.

While it's true that Matthew Nelson made a post on the silkroad forums after his CD to warn other buyers, (unless my memory's failing me), I don't recall him ever mentioning a vendor by name. Note: there's no record of Nelson's post or any others mentioning the busts on the SR forums, as they were all deleted from record. I was actually involved in bringing this to the attention of the forum mods, in the somewhat naive hope that it might prevent their link to Silk Road orders. This request was promptly answered by an eager forum mod (Scout, lol... still shake my head when I remember the series of highly ironic PM'S I had with him).

CanadianForger was actually active in this forum purge as well and in a PM conversation I had with him, admitted to me that the CD orders were from him after I proved that they couldn't have come from Europe like he was claiming (the customs seizures took place in San Francisco, which meant Canada was the only possible country of origin. Proof: http://www.wwltv.com/story/news/2014/09/03/14577490/)

There were only two bulk Canadian MDMA vendors at the time, and I don't recall LuckyLuciano even having active listings during the period that the busts took place. He also never had public listings for the 100 gram quantities alluded to in the arrests (his largest was 50 grams), unlike CanadianForger.

Probably should have brought this to your attention two years ago, but I didn't really want to risk even associating myself with any of this. I'll assume that it's safe to do so now, especially since I don't even order from the markets anymore. Hopefully people like this guy take this into consideration before reordering.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't personally know him, I've never really met him. But from what I heard, he was really sloppy about selling MDMA. He used to sell drugs out of the house, that's all I really knew.

[–]DaMenehune 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mahalos!

[–]pinkflounder 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Holy shit I remember when Xanax King got busted, but had no idea every single one of his costumers got hit too. Edit: Does anyone know why this happened? Lack of encryption, or did he just save all his costumer info like a douche?

[–]pinkflounder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh wow, that's so sketchy.

[–]thatway12 1 point2 points  (2 children)

He had a CI running his agora page. The CI was setting up some customers by telling them to resend their address in plain text. I still can't believe he let a stranger or someone he obviously wasn't that close with running his agora page. He also had a clearnet website. wtf

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Holy shit. I didn't know this.

I wonder if any of those buyers had second thoughts about sending their address?

"Hmm. Odd that he is asking for my clearnet address... But I need my drugs, so ok!"

[–]_agriculture 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is extremely useful! Is there anyway you could include the size of the shipment or the crime they were charged with for the buyers?

[–]throawsayy882 0 points1 point  (1 child)

luckylucianno shipped from Canada.

[–]Vegetano 0 points1 point  (0 children)

beautiful man, you are never safe as you can see from that list.

keep it up! cheers

[–]sillysally11 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The only thing I don't like about the list is the guessing. "stimulant is probably amphetamine", if you don't know, why not put NA or something? "Dating based on sentencing; almost no available details to give an idea of when actually arrested", again, so why not just put NA instead of guessing? It seems there is a lot of that in this list, just assuming. Otherwise, I'd say great job and thank you.

[–]Fatvod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gwern, once again, I love you. I really would like to team up with you on some kind of project. A darknet market research blog, or news site perhaps?

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