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[–]retroshark 57 points58 points  (24 children)

ITT: drug users who watch entirely too much law and order/CSI. Do you guys realise how naive and foolish you sound? None of these petty technicalities actually mean anything in a real life court. If OP was busted with product as well as having packages intercepted, it's highly likely that not only is the case for conviction already made, but any talk of technicalities involved with getting a warrant are non-existent. Instead of trying to debunk op on what few facts he's disclosed- why not try and educate yourselves about the conviction process rather than continuing to pretend that any reasonable percentages of federal drug convictions are dropped due to technicalities.

Sorry shit hit the fan for you OP. Sounds like you are handling it properly and I wish you the best of luck with this.

[–]deargodnotanotherone 12 points13 points  (3 children)

well, those shows give one good piece of advice:

keep your mouth shut or you're fucked.

[–]retroshark 7 points8 points  (2 children)

This should be coon knowledge to anyone over the age of ten.

[–]StuffyKnows2Much 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Coon Knowledge

[–]eminem56 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lmao

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (5 children)

Seriously, this thread seems like a bunch of 14 year Olds who've yet to get a misdemeanor or even comprehend a felony.

As someone who has had both, you're right. Hell, I got my felony from a violation of my 4th amendment and I still was convicted. Reality sucks.

Best of luck op

[–]retroshark 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Right. I too had no protection of my rights and had an extremely flawed case made against me based on unsubstantiated grounds.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

'Murica

[–]derkaderpp 1 point2 points  (2 children)

WARNING! DEA is mailing cards to buyers purporting to be vendors for purposes of entrapment!!! Already some people I know received cards in mail claiming to be various vendors with a hushmail or yahoo address to contact!!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not entrapment unless they coerce you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If that is true I can only laugh. Nice try DEA, but drop addresses exist and not everyone mailed to themself, even if they used their name lol

[–]stoneysm 9 points10 points  (9 children)

I have a feeling you also do not have much experience with criminal law. Ask any criminal defense attorney in the country and they will tell you the first piece of advice when you are charged with a crime is to shut your fucking mouth. It doesn't matter what evidence they have built about you. Also, there is no way you can possibly assess the validity of the arrest, search and seizure of the drugs OP possessed without more information. We simply have no way of knowing whether or not there is a case for suppression here. From what he has posted it seems he got arrested at home, where Fourth Amendment protections are the strongest. There are also little technical questions such as the validity of the affidavit in obtaining a warrant. At this point, with evidence this heavily weighed against OP, technicalities and procedural error are defense counsel's bread and butter in trying to keep him out of jail. Admittedly, chances of his success are probably low, but disclosing facts over the internet are not going to help them at all, and can only hurt him.

[–]retroshark -1 points0 points  (6 children)

I don't know much but considering the fact I have in the past been indicted on federal drugs and smuggling charges, as well as manufacturing and a slew of lesser charges - I know enough to make judgement on the majority of this thread based on my experiences.

[–]stoneysm 1 point2 points  (5 children)

You know enough to make a judgment based on anecdotal evidence, which is not very informative when looking at the field of criminal law as a whole. You are mostly right, he's probably fucked regardless, but there's still no point in helping the prosecution make the case against him.

[–]retroshark 0 points1 point  (4 children)

True and true. I personally would be quiet about any details but I suppose if he's already been told he's going down or had some court proceedings then he may already know the outcome. Either way - silence is best.

[–]eminem56 4 points5 points  (3 children)

The phrase is: silence is golden.

[–]retroshark 0 points1 point  (2 children)

No way

[–]eminem56 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It most certainly is. Its an old saying.

Source: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/silence-is-golden.html

If thats not enough Google it.

[–]retroshark 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ahh i know i was being facetious!

[–]emanking -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Ask any criminal defense attorney in the country and they will tell you the first piece of advice when you are charged with a crime is to shut your fucking mouth.

That's because if they tell you you can or they don't say anything then, IANAL but, the client may be able to sue the lawyer or the lawyer may get in trouble with the BAR, especially, I'm almost 100% sure, if the lawyer said it was okay to talk about it before the case is settled. That's grounds for a mistrial i think but again IANAL.

[–]stoneysm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

none of what you just said is correct. The reason a defense attorney will tell his client not to talk to anyone is because it makes our jobs harder.

A client can only successfully sue for malpractice where they can show error and prejudice. It's never been held that an attorney failing to tell their client not to talk to anyone is an error, and the prejudice prong is even more difficult to tackle (and also outside of the scope of our discussion so I won't address it). No lawyer should be dumb enough to tell a criminal defendant, or a civil one for that matter, to go ahead and discuss a case that is not settled, but even if they did, the likelihood of winning a malpractice action is slim. The difficulty in winning a malpractice suit makes sense when you consider the people that your are suing, lawyers, are also the ones who wrote the rules. It also is not a disciplinary violation with the bar...just really dumb.

Finally, you speaking with someone most definitely is not grounds for a mistrial. If your client is dumb enough to spill the beans the prosecutor is free to use that information to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. Which is why we don't want you talking to anyone about the case.

[–]Keykid -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

I got off a cocaine importation charge. Different country, but my point is its not as clear cut as you're making out. Circumstances are amazing things.

[–]Hedonopoly 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Different country

Pretty massive fucking difference. American court system is completely different than your experience.

[–]egrus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

100% yes yes yes this! Conspiracy laws in the USA are insane -- read erowid: http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=3055

[–]retroshark 3 points4 points  (0 children)

See my other comment, however I'm just speaking from first hand experience with federal drugs charges.

[–]necklean 36 points37 points  (2 children)

What vendor. We need to know this info.

[–]throwaway96213[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Check the edit.

[–]TheOneRedditFag 6 points7 points  (0 children)

According to an article I read (I'll try to dig it up and link it here) Nod had been caught onto long before the silkroad closed. Investigators intercepted packages, kept logs and ect, but let the packages through so that they could continue to track Nod's activity. They planned to go after the buyers later which it appears to be what they've done.

[–]Keykid 39 points40 points  (12 children)

A lot of people here discounting this guy on pretty flimsy basis. I was busted for buying Coke off SR over a year ago, and the majority of people on the forum dismissed my story as rubbish because they didn't want to believe they too could be caught. The upside is, and also why you shouldn't give up in court, is I got off with no conviction.

[–]andsoitgoes42 11 points12 points  (0 children)

People, read above and be VERY CLEAR: key kid states he is not from America.

It's just as likely that there are ducks in prison for quacking for all we know.

Unless you were in the US and charged as a us Citizen, your experience does not equate, compute or make any sense in the terms of this entire bust.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Controlled delivery?

[–]eminem56 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Can you provide more details? Its not like you would be incriminating yourself further. They can't try you again.

[–]Keykid 11 points12 points  (3 children)

This wasn't a controlled delivery, they got a warrant from a Judge based on them 'intercepting' a package coming to me. They found me in possession of product at the time of the warrant, and proof on my computer of previous transactions. I told them I wouldn't speak to them till I spoke to a lawyer. I called up a lawyer who suggested 'alternate scienarios' of how someone might have sent me this without me knowing... But I knew they'd find other proof and find I was lieing so I played ball, answered their questions truthfully without giving them any further info. The main officer from Customs I think may have took pity on me and only charged me with 1 importation, also ensured Police couldn't lay any charges and it all went through Customs. So I got off possession of coke and importation by showing that I'd never get a job in my trained field of work again, and that would be a greater penalty than the crime deserved. The Judge agreed, much to my lawyers shock. Everyone on SR told me it's impossible for a Judge to serve a warrant without a controlled delivery and I was full of shit. How wrong they were. I even got my picture in the main paper here...work tried to fire me, got myself an employment lawyer who stopped that, still in the same job to this day. So it's not all doom and gloom if you're busted (tho this was a landmark decision apparently). My package was also intercepted from Netherlands... As was every other interception Customs had done related to SR. I was suspicious that vendor had got busted as he disappeared after my arrest and others mentioned he'd put some suspicious posts on the forum prior.

[–]willreignsomnipotent 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So I got off possession of coke and importation by showing that I'd never get a job in my trained field of work again, and that would be a greater penalty than the crime deserved. The Judge agreed, much to my lawyers shock.

Amazing-- a judge makes a (relatively) fair decision in a drug case. That is pretty awesome. If only they realized this is the case in many felony drug convictions. :(

[–]reaperx2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How much coke was it?

[–]egrus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"proof on my computer of previous transactions" -- what? how the fuck is that possible if you use TOR and take proper precautions...?

[–]lucasjkr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He hasn't even been tried once, yet!

[–]HereHaveSomeEyedrops -1 points0 points  (2 children)

The could with new evidence

[–]willreignsomnipotent 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No, they can't. That's why OJ Simpson wrote a book all about how he "would have" committed those murders "if" he did ("but of course I really didn't," wink wink) and he's not rotting in jail on a life sentence.

Double Jeopardy.

[–]egrus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OJ actually is rotting in jail though, LOL.

[–]willreignsomnipotent 12 points13 points  (0 children)

OP-- You mention PMs from 20 other people who are "in the same boat."

I'm curious if these people are all claiming to be in the exact same situation, in other words, customers of this same vendor, busted under similar circumstances? Or are these just 20 other people claiming they too were busted?

[–]Batmanjack32 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hang in there dude. Get a lawyer immediately, if you haven't already. Don't speak or say anything about this at all to the police until you lawyer up. Don't deny anything or make up any stories yet. Just be quiet until you lawyer up and he/she will tell you what to do/say.

Again, say nothing and lawyer up

don't communicate with LE

exercise your 5th ammendment rights

Oh yeah one more thing, DON"T SAY ANYTHING TO THE POLICE

Good luck dude.

[–]well_thats_obviousWho's got the crack? 6 points7 points  (14 children)

What quantities are we talking about here? How much stuff have you ordered from the road? If they start coming after bulk buyers, it would be nice to know what quantity the feds care enough about to come after.

[–]throwaway96213[S] 4 points5 points  (11 children)

About 5 grams were present. I made seven purchases total, three of which were in that month-long time frame.

[–]badgrl2 8 points9 points  (5 children)

did those three get delivered to you still or did they stop them?

[–]throwaway96213[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Those three came through. The final one appeared "opened" by comparison with my other shipments, and a short time after I was arrested.

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    [–]throwaway96213[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Two days after that final package.

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      [–]anikas88 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      maybe they were watching him seeing who came by and went

      [–]egrus 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      If you only made seven purchases on the road total, consider yourself extremely lucky. You could have gone down for a LOT more had you ordered more. I'm assuming you only ordered grams at a time though, if you ordered any more than that (at a time), then yeah, that's not looking good. There are sentencing guidelines though if your crime is federal, which sucks, because it doesn't allow the judges to make their own decisions.

      [–]reaperx2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Yeah 7 purchases in nothing. I had like 5x as many. I never ordered from NOD though.

      [–]eminem56 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      He had 5 grams.

      [–]egrus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      He was caught with 5 grams at the search warrant raid; that means jack shit. The complaint / indictment was probably for at least 100 grams.

      [–]STAMPeding 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      If it's Nod then the quantities are a lot. Meaning he sold like no less than grams.

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        [–]egrus 4 points5 points  (9 children)

        Can you please try to make your own thread again? I think this deserves a separate discussion. Mods please don't delete it.

        [–]b4dkarm4 3 points4 points  (8 children)

        Mods please don't delete it.

        Too late.

        [–]static8 3 points4 points  (7 children)

        I don't understand, why are these being deleted

        [–]willreignsomnipotent 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Seriously. It looks like everything interesting or of value in this thread (other than the OP) has been deleted.

        WTF?

        {s}Thanks for the info. Very helpful{/s}

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          [–]egrus 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          It was another guy who was arrested but with state charges not fed. He posted redacted versions of his criminal complaint / indictment.

          [–]static8 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          Important to note that he was a vendor not a buyer

          [–]willreignsomnipotent 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Thanks for the info

          [–]horses_in_the_sky 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Sensitive legal info maybe. It's generally for the best to not share the intricate details of any legal matters you're currently involved in on an internet forum.

          [–]egrus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          He redacted all the important shit

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                  [–]egrus 2 points3 points  (6 children)

                  Federal charges or state? Can you post your criminal complaint with the names and locations redacted? Obviously you were able to get a bail -- how much was your bail? Do you have priors? EDIT: Looks like state charges. Why would they charge you at the state level and not federal? Seems strange...

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                    [–]egrus 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                    Thanks -- wow, 1000 pages...they want you man, holy shit. Can I ask why they gave you a manufacturing charge? I don't want you to admit to anything on here but I'll just ask, was crack / freebase involved at all? Also, did they raid your house and get you with possession of anything illegal?

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                        [–]static8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Was this before or after the sr downfall?

                        [–]eminem56 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        Well shit your charges were much more serious than the OPs. Did you do any time? If so how long?

                        [–]TrillonFrancis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        I am sad I missed out on story time. Can anyone NA;DR that shit?

                        [–]addict4life 21 points22 points  (8 children)

                        Did you get a lawyer? What are his or her thoughts? We all NEED the PLAY BY PLAY DETAILS!! How do you know about the time frame they were "package watching"? Please tell us everything, I'm begging. How many FBI were there present, how many agents/officers did you come in contact with as a whole. Were the feds being assisted by sheriff or city cops. What questions did they ask you?

                        [–]l00sifer 21 points22 points  (5 children)

                        man looks like you're pretty screwed

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                          [–]l00sifer 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                          He should burn his entire house down. Or gtfo of my country and go south

                          [–]elfer90 11 points12 points  (2 children)

                          [–]flavor_crystalsTasty Corn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          Oh my god, I'm glad I wasn't drinking any liquid when I clicked through to that pic.

                          Best pic ever!

                          [–]stoneysm 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                          Please do not listen to this man and give too many details. You are already facing a criminal charge, don't help build a case against yourself. Shut up, and only talk about the charges with your lawyer.

                          [–]R3LENT7ESS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Best piece of advice on here

                          [–]Batmanjack32 3 points4 points  (5 children)

                          Did you ever buy from Marlo/Carlitos? Right before the shutdown, 2 days worth of packages that he sent went missing. He figured it was just a junkie thief who was able to ID his packages (about 30 different orders is my guess, on back to back shipping days), but now with all of this shit going down, I can't help but wonder if it was the police who ID'd his packaging and seized all of those orders.

                          Another question: If you don't mind answering, were you doing anything else other than allegedly ordering/receiving orders from the Silk Road? For example, were you doing any side dealing or even just sharing your drugs with any of your buddies (like giving some away, but not exchanging any sort of compensation for them)? Pretty much I'm just wondering if a few other people that you know personally were aware of your alleged drug use or your SR ordering habits?

                          What exactly did they charge you with if you don't mind me asking?

                          [–]throwaway96213[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                          If you mean MarloStanfeld, then yes. He's another of the names mentioned. 10Toes was another if you bought from him. I don't know if either of them were caught or what.

                          No, nothing else besides that. No side dealing and no sharing.

                          [–]Batmanjack32 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                          Did you buy from MarloStandfeld and have a package go missing in transit? He had a bunch go missing out of no where and had to reship a bunch. Just wondering if that was something that happened with you ever when dealing with Marlo

                          [–]throwaway96213[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                          Nope, nothing missing for me.

                          [–]SensibleReason 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          What did they ask about the other vendors?

                          [–]ropiatesthrowaway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          I saw marlo post on the SR forums after the site went down

                          [–]reaperx2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          That recent update/edit is rather concerning. If its true, I wonder if those other people ordered from NOD.

                          [–]USPShelpdesk 133 points134 points  (80 children)

                          You are not fucking really admitting to guilt before you even have a trial!!!!!!!!!!! delete this.

                          You are literally ruining any chance of getting off.

                          [–]egrus 98 points99 points  (31 children)

                          Are you that daft? The feds caught him red handed with the product and have the correspondence between him and nod from the server logs. It does not matter what he says here, there is no technicality that he's going to get off on...man you guys watch too much TV. Go check out some actual federal drug cases and see what happens. 98% of fed cases are convictions. You really think he's going to be one of the 2% that gets off? You're out of touch with reality.

                          [–]kodemage 22 points23 points  (11 children)

                          That statistic is misleading because of the number of cases which are settled with a plea bargain or with charges being dismissed before trial.

                          [–]reaperx2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Depends. I'm not sure if this is considered a plea, but my state has something called an "ARD" for certain first time offenses. When you get ARD you don't go to jail and only get probation. If you successfully complete probation the original charges are removed

                          [–]chefgroovy 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                          probation or a pound you in the ass federal prison. Both are convictions, which would you prefer?

                          [–]egrus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          I was joking about "pound me in the ass federal prison" -- that's from the movie office space in case you didn't know (you prob did just explaining it for people who wouldn't) -- most non violent drug offenders get sent to minimum security fed prisons which are actually quite nice and don't have violent offenders / rapists / gangs in them. But a plea bargain is still a conviction; and most of the time, plea bargains DO result in prison time, just a lot less if you were to go in front of a jury and lose at trial.

                          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          Federal felony drug case? He's not getting probation, no matter how ready he is to plead guilty.

                          [–]deargodnotanotherone 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                          Good point. Are there any statistics on how many cases end up dismissed?

                          [–]kodemage 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                          As of 2010, about half, according to the DoJ:

                          http://www.justice.gov/usao/reading_room/reports/asr2010/10statrpt.pdf

                          OVERALL CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS * 160,696 matters received with 198,111 defendants—matters received decreased by three percent
                          * 68,591 cases filed against 91,047 defendants—case filings increased by one percent
                          * 67,697 cases against 88,369 defendants terminated—case terminations increased by one percent
                          * 81,934 defendants convicted
                          * 93 percent conviction rate
                          * 81 percent of convicted defendants sentenced to prison
                          * 47 percent of prison sentences greater than 3 years
                          * 27 percent of prison sentences greater than 5 years

                          [–]lucasjkr 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                          Statistic might be misleading, but the reason that people go with pleas is they have the choice of a comparative slap on the wrist (probation or even a year or two) versus the unknown of what a judge and jury would impose (5 years, 10 years, etc). With disparities like that, that's why so many people just take the plea rather than fight, risking a lot more time and a huge potential expense.

                          Besides which, law enforcement doesn't ask rashly; they'll wait and wait and accumulate evidence to make sure that their case will stick, rather than press charges immediately and see it get thrown out.

                          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          In the federal system, plea bargain will cap the total number of potential years, but the quantity of drugs will determine the guidelines range, regardless of whether it was a trial or guilty plea. It's very different from state, where you can basically negotiate your sentence before pleading guilty.

                          You'll get a bit knocked off of your guidelines range for "acceptance of responsibility", but many times, that's the only benefit of pleading guilty.

                          [–]kodemage 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          There's also the chicken and egg problem, people take pleas because they see the high conviction rate. It's self reinforcing.

                          [–]eminem56 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          I took a plea agreement for my DUI. It was much better than the alternative and they dropped some of the additional charges. Also, DUI cases are nearly impossible to win unless there is a technicality; which in my case there weren't any because the cop did the arrest by the book.

                          [–]gtownbingo99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Going to court is always risky, they want to "make a deal" not take you to court. And that doesnt just apply to drug cases. Basically the better lawyer you have the better chance you have of getting a good deal. Understand?

                          [–]throwaway96213[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                          This pretty much. The correspondence means next to nothing according to my lawyer - the fact that I had product mentioned in the correspondence in my possession puts the nail in the coffin.

                          [–]-Argentian- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Truth. My friend was busted and is a felon for having possession of heroin - in miniscule amounts that had to be sent to a drug lab to be anaylzed - because his friend left foil in his car. He's not even a heroin user, but possession got him.

                          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                          Don't forget SR is just regular people, and don't forget how many regular people are dumb fucks.

                          [–]SensibleReason 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Can you please show me where he says they used sr logs? I keep reading this on other threads but have yet to see proof.

                          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

                          If OTR was used this would never have had happened.

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-Record_Messaging

                          The primary motivation behind the protocol was providing deniability for the conversation participants while keeping conversations confidential, like a private conversation in real life, or off the record in journalism sourcing. This is in contrast with other cryptography tools that produce output which can be later used as a verifiable record of the communication event and the identities of the participants. In most cases, people using such cryptography software are not aware of this and might be better served by OTR tools instead[citation needed]. The initial introductory paper was named "Off-the-Record Communication, or, Why Not To Use PGP".[1]

                          [–]egrus 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                          I agree OTR is a good technology, but it still wouldn't prevent vendors from being scumbags and keeping the information of their customers permanently on file.

                          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                          A point with OTR is that that information would be worthless; it provides deniability.

                          [–]egrus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                          Still wouldn't prevent guilt by association or dealers trying to extort their customers though.

                          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          How?

                          [–]Mises2Peaces 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                          There is way more to the story than that. This very post could be submitted as evidence to be used in sentencing. Prosecution could argue that op isn't repenting and is frustrating further LE. It's not just about guilty vs not guilty.

                          I'm on mobile now but I can answer questions later bc I'm a lawyer.

                          [–]reaperx2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                          Please do. I would be interested in hearing more.

                          [–]BitchinTechnology -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

                          it wasn't his someone shipped it to him without his knowledge. he has no idea what they are talking about

                          [–]reaperx2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                          This won't work. The op said they monitored him for a month so they knew he received 5 packages of drugs. He most likely didn't report this. If an innocent person had drugs mailed to them 5 times, I'm pretty damn sure they would report it.

                          [–]BitchinTechnology -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                          that is why you right return to sender and leave it in your mailbox.

                          [–]SensibleReason -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                          Where does it say the correspondence from Sr records is part of this? The info they find on the servers won't hold up in court on most cases. Just a reference guide. I would stop implicating my past sr activity on reddit though.

                          [–]USPShelpdesk -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

                          I am so ashamed this was given reddit gold.

                          [–]egrus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          And I'm ashamed that you're ashamed...oh wait, I'm not :D

                          [–]Hipster_Garabe 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                          I'm glad you broke character for that PSA. You're one of my favorite redditiors.

                          [–]USPShelpdesk 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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                          [–]Zouden -1 points0 points  (33 children)

                          If they actually found weed on him it doesn't matter what he says here.

                          [–]throwaway96213[S] 45 points46 points  (2 children)

                          Yea, it wasn't weed. Weed is legal up here anyway, I wouldn't need to get it on SR.

                          [–]Droid_Life 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                          Weed is legal on the state level, it's still illegal federally.

                          [–]throwaway96213[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                          Yes, but I wouldn't be getting it sent through the mail. You can, more or less, just go to a store here and buy it.

                          [–]USPShelpdesk 12 points13 points  (20 children)

                          You don't understand how the law works.

                          [–]Zouden -1 points0 points  (18 children)

                          Can you explain it then? The way I see it, they found weed in his possession and charged him with possession.

                          [–]evildoppelganger 42 points43 points  (17 children)

                          There are all sorts of things that can go wrong with physical evidence that can result in it being made inadmissible in court. I'm not saying it will happen in this case, but if it did it may weaken the case to the point that the DA's office may not want to prosecute. However, if OP goes on the fucking internet and tells everyone he did it, he just made the case against himself stronger.

                          Remember: NEVER, EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, TALK TO THE POLICE WHEN YOU ARE A SUSPECT IN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION EVEN IF YOU ARE COMPLETELY INNOCENT.

                          [–]egrus 5 points6 points  (8 children)

                          Weed is legal in Washington you dolt.

                          [–]Snake973 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          It's state legal, not federal legal. But he would still probably have no need to go to the internet for weed.

                          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          And the second it enters the mail, it becomes federal jurisdiction where weed is illegal. Because it was mail-based state laws mean nothing.

                          [–]Zouden 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                          I assumed it was weed because OP said 5 grams. If it's 5g of anything else he's in even more trouble :(

                          [–]egrus 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                          It was either heroin or cocaine; that's what NOD sold. Sorry for being harsh, I realize not everyone knows laws etc. But 5 grams of weed would not be a federal case, not unless it was a conspiracy case tied to a group of other people, and they add up all the weight from everyone over a period of time. And NOD never sold weed AFAIK.

                          [–]stoneysm -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

                          May be legal in WA but it's still a federal offense, and the DEA is much more likely to prosecute such a case where there is an interstate shipping element as there was here.

                          [–]eminem56 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                          The feds don't get involved with weed unless its over a certain amount. They will not waste their time on 5 grams of weed.

                          [–]egrus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                          They will if it's a conspiracy case that has massive quantities over time and a lot of people involved (ie. a distribution ring).

                          [–]DrunkParrot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          I am conspiring to move massive quantities of marijuana into my lungs roflmao

                          [–]evilbrent -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

                          I actually don't see anything incriminating in what was written. It's not incriminating to say "I did an illegal thing" unless you ever put into words what that incriminating thing was.

                          [–]doubtingtomiss 14 points15 points  (8 children)

                          For me there is one inconsistency here, and also one point of hope (if it's true):

                          Inconsistency: if they got your address as a buyer from busting a vendor who kept people's addresses in the wake of the main SR bust, HOW could they have a month's worth of package watching on you? (unless you meant that they have evidence from your correspondence about you waiting for packages). I mean its only been about 10 days since Ross was busted and less than that for Nod...but you said your packages have been watched for a month.
                          Unless they got your name from a vendor who was busted early Sept or before, the only way they could have known about your involvement was that they caught one of your packages and started watching you that way. I suppose they might have done that and then corroborated the evidence with info taken from Nod's computer or another busted vendors computer in the last 2 weeks, but if you could give some info about this issue that would help us understand.

                          OP, are you in a smallish town in WA? Or a big city like Seattle?

                          And the hope:

                          Was it REALLY the FBI who arrested you? Or was it just the local narcotics task force? Were you charged in federal court (given the charges and the description I doubt it)? Was your bail less than $35,000?

                          if you've been charged with only possession and intent to purchase (esp at the start) then you should be ok in the end, esp if you don't have priors. Even if the case isn't dismissed you may have to end up in drug court, but you probably wont see any actual, and if you have a good lawyer he should be able to get you probation only (maybe even unsupervised). You should do everything you can now to make it seem like you've had some kind of hit-bottom awakening: start going to meetings, get on methadone, go to rehab, get a therapist, whatever it is make sure it's documented. That will help you.

                          Buyers in most states should not be terrified of these kinds of charges esp if they can afford lawyers, are light skinned, and/or don't have priors. Especially in more progressive states a first simple possession or ITB charge is not going to result in time--there are a number of laws in CA, NY, etc created to deal with small time drug users and keep them out of the jails. If you weren't charged with any federal stuff like trafficking, conspiracy, mail tampering etc then you're probably going to end up with the same charges anyone who was caught buying drugs on the street would get, even if they were hard drugs. Yes they are felonies and you may have to jump through some hoops to get over it all and back on with your life, but it's not going to be the end of your career or life as you know it.

                          In general I don't have a problem believing this kind of bust is possible, and I do know for a fact that LE sometimes lets a few packages go through after testing and weighing them in order to build a case later, even with small time users. However none of that changes the fact that there are SO many users, they are unlikely to waste the time and resources to get most of them, and those small amount that they do will likely (and hopefully) be charged with minor state charges like this and given probation. Obviously it sucks to be one of those people and OP I am truly sorry this happened to you esp since you were taking all the precautions necessary...we wont know for sure until time has passed but so far what I'm seeing is in line with the level of risk I would expect from something like this.
                          It's not nothing, but it's far from 10 years in federal pound me in the ass prison, either.

                          [–]reaperx2 12 points13 points  (2 children)

                          They watched NOD for almost a year. They profiled his packages so they knew what they looked like. They probably followed the one addressed to the OP then they began monitoring his mail.

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                            [–]reaperx2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            I agree, its fucking retarded and a waste of tax payers money.

                            [–]Sr_lulzyer 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                            Not an inconsistency, bro. The Feds were monitoring NOD for a few months, and even describe how they searched his mail drops back in May/June/July in their complaint.

                            [–]reaperx2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                            Ha I made my post before I saw yours.

                            [–]DrugzDrugzWeedNsnack 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                            but you said your packages have been watched for a month.

                            Right, OP said that, but really, how the hell would he know? Because Officer Trusty McHonest told him? Point is, OP could have been lied to by the cops, led to believe that they have more evidence on him than they actually do with the hopes of getting OP to fess up.

                            [–]eminem56 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                            Read the post above. They knew what NODS packages look like and thus had a profile. From there they can look at the destination and monitor those people.

                            [–]throwaway96213[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            They were watching my packages before getting access to the plaintext on the vendor's computer. Amongst other things, that made me search warrant-worthy basically.

                            [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (6 children)

                            They will never go after buyers they said, they don't care about buyers they said, noone gets arrested for personal amounts they said.

                            Haha!

                            [–]willreignsomnipotent 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                            I love how this is getting down-voted just because people don't like to hear the truth.

                            Probably the same morons / assholes screaming for OP to incriminate himself with "proof."

                            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                            People around here dry snitch on themselves and others all day long while fantasizing about being safe from the law beacuse they only bought drugs and are white middle class suburbanites. Anyone who has had any interaction with the system would never feel this way, its absurd.

                            [–]iamda5h 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                            "felony quantity"

                            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                            We will see how it all plays out. The long window rants about why the police never bust users that have been prevalent around here lately will be proved false in due time.

                            [–]willreignsomnipotent 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            Few grams. Personal use amount, for a heavy user.

                            [–]diphiminaids 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Arent all coke/H/meth quantities felonies

                            [–]yourmajestie 45 points46 points  (1 child)

                            anyone lse like to hold their ball sack in hand? feel good to have it supported inside cup of hand and not sagging down or tiltd to one side

                            [–]MittRomneysPlatform 10 points11 points  (2 children)

                            OP quit dicking around and give us names, I don't mean to be brash but we need to fucking know.

                            [–]throwaway96213[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                            Check edit.

                            [–]MittRomneysPlatform 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            Just read it. Hang in there man, I know it sucks. You'll get through this.

                            [–]jmkogut 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                            Did you purchase from Nod? He was also in WA state and recently busted.

                            [–]throwaway96213[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            Check the edit.

                            [–]SensibleReason 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                            Obviously Nod. "I'm in WA state in case anyone is wandering".

                            [–]reaperx2 3 points4 points  (12 children)

                            Check this out, a post made on new SR forums. Someone said he heard they were setting up a task force to make arrests in relation to SR

                            https://silkroad5v7dywlc.onion/index.php?topic=312.0

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                              [–]reaperx2 10 points11 points  (7 children)

                              Not trying to make anyone nervous when they shouldn't be, but a close friend to me who works in law enforcement called me today.

                              He/She told me in their division (a populated area in the united states) there was the amount of several hundred officers getting setup on a task force specifically dedicated to serving warrants in regards to silkroad.

                              He was only mildly informed on what's going on, and how they are going about things, but told me in the next 10-14 days is when action will be taking place.

                              Again, I don't mean to raise awareness for nothing, but I felt it was relevant to this community.

                              He will be keeping me closely informed on any new developments I should hear about.

                              Cheers

                              It is hearsay, but some paranoia is good with these activities and the risks involved.

                              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              Exactly. Anyone who bought or sold on Silk Road should go ahead and make sure they don't have anything at their house.

                              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                              I wonder if its Arrest warrents or search warrents?

                              [–]UltimateRealityEnt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              Who knows?

                              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Well, what good is worrying about it going to do I suppose. I've been out of the game for over half a year. No chance of going back.

                              [–]reaperx2 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                              Better safe than sorry.

                              [–]adagio_in_g_minor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                              Good point, but take everything with a grain of salt.

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                                                  [–]thecheat420 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                                                  If you don't post the name of the vendor this post really doesn't help anybody.

                                                  [–]throwaway96213[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                  Check the edit.

                                                  [–]DrunkParrot 14 points15 points  (2 children)

                                                  You should name EVERY vendor, not just the one whose name is all over the news. Unti you can prove that the shipments came from Nod, and nobody else, all of this is hearsay.

                                                  [–]egrus 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                                                  I would suggest NOT doing this. Do not name every vendor you ordered from in a public online forum. That will be more charges than you already have. Posting the info the cops already know about is fine, it's not like they don't already know, but posting shit they DON'T know about isn't fine, and I would not suggest it at all until the case has been finished.

                                                  [–]SensibleReason 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                  He should name every vendor they ask him about.

                                                  [–]heisenberg2pt0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                  Damm, Vendor machines in Police hands is going to get very dangerous considering it's a crime to not hand over your pgp passwords now. Lets hope most were smart enough to use a use a hidden volume to store everything.

                                                  [–]necklean 8 points9 points  (8 children)

                                                  This. I'm not going to believe it without proof...

                                                  [–]lucasjkr 16 points17 points  (7 children)

                                                  OP doesn't need to "prove" anything. He's posting his personal experience as a warning to others, not in an attempt to shore up a little extra karma on reddit. Too many people here are under this assumption that LE will pay them no interest, which is a myth that needs to be dispelled (IMO) or else a lot of other people are going to end up in similar predicaments. True, there's no undoing the past, but in terms of people making decisions that could affect their future, they need to know the actual risks they could be facing.

                                                  [–]willreignsomnipotent 19 points20 points  (2 children)

                                                  Exactly. And that's precisely what I'm seeing above, with the "proof or GTFO" posts.

                                                  Blatant DENIAL

                                                  What you did was illegal. And much as you want to think that good old uncle sam would never, ever go after you, the "small fish," you rolled the dice on illegal activities, and that can ALWAYS come back to bite you. I hope it doesn't. But if you ever sent stuff over SR unencrypted, or if you TRUSTED your info to a drug dealer who was so goddamned stupid they left your unencrypted records somewhere....?

                                                  It could happen. I'm sorry to have to say it, but facts are facts. The government busts MANY small-time drug buyers every single day. And yes, the logical counter-argument here is that it's a waste of their time to do this, perhaps you're not thinking of all the angles.

                                                  Since the takedown of the alleged DPR, and therefore Silk Road, many of you have been speaking like revolutionaries. Making impassioned speeches about how the government can never shut this stuff down, because next week 5 sites are going to pop up to take their place. Take down 1 dealer, 5 grow back.

                                                  However, this entire system has been working because of precisely the same kind of denial that these guys are displaying above. How many less millions of dollars do you think might have been spent on online, through-the-mail drug sales in the last couple years, if most customers did not have the confidence that they were "small fish" and would probably not go to jail if they got caught ordering small-time amounts?

                                                  If instead, people started seeing that even clearly personal-use level customers were getting FELONY DRUG CHARGES, and PRISON TIME!?!?

                                                  For this reason alone, Uncle Sam may consider it worthwhile. To send a message.

                                                  Caution is prudent. If I'd ever bought anything from SR (which I never have) I would operate under the assumption that I was at risk-- at least for a while, that is. Until enough time had gone by to be safer in the assumption that they're definitely NOT going after users. At this point, it's too early to tell.

                                                  If you want to deny it, that's your choice. But don't try to pretend it's for any reason other than to make yourselves feel better. It's just the fact that at the same time as you're making you feel a little better, you might be encouraging the guy next to you to be unsafe. And that's not cool.

                                                  [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                                                  Good post. I remember reading a case study about the IRS and their strategy they used to go after "non-filers" aka people who didn't file taxes and thus potentially owed money. In short, they didn't actually go after non-filers but targeted specific people who they knew would generate publicity thus creating the narrative among the general public that the IRS would come after you if you owed money. Celebrities who may have owed some back taxes were an example.

                                                  They knew they couldn't round up all the non-filers, who were hard to find. But their tactic was to create the illusion among the general public that your ass would get nailed to the wall if you dared not file or not pay your taxes certainly paid dividends. Most people assume the IRS is a whole lot more powerful than it really is.

                                                  IMO, going after small fries and buyers who used SR creates the same sort of narrative. That the government DGAF and will fuck you if you go on TOR and order drugs. Arresting some buyers, not even a lot of them, can create a whole lot of hysteria.

                                                  [–]-Argentian- 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                  However, this entire system has been working because of precisely the same kind of denial that these guys are displaying above.

                                                  Exactly. What I've been saying for days since before the arrests started coming out.

                                                  The feds won big time here.

                                                  [–]scintgems -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                  don't forget the agents of FUD. BC is a rival to our mighty controllers the central banking industry

                                                  [–]throwaway96213[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                                                  I don't know what proof I can post without readily linking my posts and identity. I have no idea if I'm the only person they're going after at this point or what (though I can only assume more people are in the thick of it with me). If I come across something I'm comfortable posting, I'll put it up.

                                                  [–]egrus 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                                  Post the criminal complaint but redact / remove any quantities and identities and locations.

                                                  [–]akcom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                  just curious are you a practitioner? mid level or MD?

                                                  [–]NotFromReddit -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                                                  Yep, I was thinking this is probably a FUD post. Could be true, but let's not all panic yet.

                                                  [–]eM_aRe 6 points7 points  (18 children)

                                                  Did they raid your house? Im not understanding how they found your dope.

                                                  I really hope they didn't pull their bullshit and you handed it over.

                                                  [–]throwaway96213[S] 9 points10 points  (17 children)

                                                  Search warrant.

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                                                    [–]Pantek51 9 points10 points  (4 children)

                                                    Yeah because obviously weed is the stealthier stuff in the mail

                                                    [–]reaperx2 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                                    But, your less likely to get into trouble. Some people here have had MJ intercepted and they merely received a letter. No arrest.

                                                    [–]Pantek51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                    I think if they only caught a gram of H they wouldn't have arrested him either. But several packages with several gram put you in the dealer area I'm sure. Try to get caught buying a pound of weed

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                                                      [–]Pantek51 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                      Everything I've bought always came vacuum sealed, and there're more dogs sniffing for weed than for anything else. Sorry you had to deal with vendors not using vacuum sealed packaging for everything

                                                      [–]egrus 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                                      Oh, you're being paranoid everyone said. They will never arrest buyers. They only care about vendors. Yeah, you are fucking idiots ANYONE who ever said that. Anyone who ever ordered from Nod = fucked. Permanently. Yes, they care about making an example of people buying drugs online. They don't care about amounts.

                                                      [–]SunshineBlind 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                                      I just got this one, and it might be of your interest in the future.

                                                      [–]andsoitgoes42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                      I started watching, saw how long it was and almost clicked away.

                                                      20 minutes later I'm still fascinated.

                                                      The world we live in is TERRIFYING.

                                                      [–]reaperx2 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                                                      If your in the medical field, you may be all right. Where I live if someone in the medical field is busted with drugs and those drugs are not stolen ( well, diverted ) then they can enter a program that allows them to get back into work.

                                                      However, this program is long and difficult. Its like 2 years an they perform random drug tests ( including hair tests ). During this time you have to enter rehab and attend lots of AA/NA meetings. Moreover, you are not permitted to drink alcohol either and they do test for that. The alcohol test is a pain in the ass because a very small amount can result in a positive and people have been know to test positive from eating food cooked in alcohol.

                                                      Anyway, I wish you luck. Hopefully you can afford a lawyer and those charges are reduced. I really hope they are not trying to make an example out of you for publicity cause that would blow.

                                                      [–]willreignsomnipotent -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                      That's such a crock of shit. I mean, it's good that they have programs, rather than just "jail, and yer fired, punk!"

                                                      And I do understand that poly-substance abuse is a real thing. But not everyone who has a problem with one, has a problem with the other, for one. For two, booze is legal. What next, those people can't smoke cigarettes, or drink coffee? (many rehabs are like this.)

                                                      It is true that drinking can be dangerous for a person's recovery. I've seen it. But I've also seen it go the other way, too-- where someone used booze or (more appropriately, IMHO) pot occasionally to help unwind and deal with that type of desire.

                                                      Then again, I think the whole system of how we deal with psychoactive / bio-active substances in this society is ass-backwards, barbaric, and ridiculous.

                                                      [–]creggister 23 points24 points  (18 children)

                                                      "throwaway96213"

                                                      According to usps.gov, 96213 is a Military/State Department specific ZIP Code for an Air/Army Post Office, Fleet Post Office or Diplomatic Post Office located in downtown San Francisco.

                                                      What are the odds he just randomly mashed keys and ended up with a zip code used exclusively by a military/state department post office in the same city where DPR was arrested?

                                                      [–][deleted] 66 points67 points  (7 children)

                                                      whats even more unlikely is the feds would drop hints that they are feds. that doesnt even make sense

                                                      [–]nodz 48 points49 points  (2 children)

                                                      We need to steal the declaration of independence!

                                                      [–]BoxoMorons 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                                                      Someone call Nicolas Cage!

                                                      [–]The_STD_In_STUD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                      Have his acolytes summon him.

                                                      /r/onetruegod

                                                      [–]chobopeon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                      it's all part of the plan!

                                                      [–]TexassPoonTappa -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                                                      Because people in general are not that clever. Same reason the most common password is "password". After realizing throwaway123 was taken, he could have seen the number on some mail nearby or it was just the first number that came to mind.

                                                      [–]FocusForASecond 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                      Pretty sure the Feds wouldn't make such a simple mistake like that. As much as I dislike them, I must admit that the bastards are damn clever.

                                                      [–]Hero_of_the_Internet 18 points19 points  (2 children)

                                                      You're an idiot. All San Francisco area codes are 94XXX. 96213 is a "phantom" zip code for overseas military mail. It is the processing facility for APO (i.e. Pacific) that is located in San Francisco. It is far more likely that OP is in the military.

                                                      Source: http://www.shipitapo.com/personal/apo_fpo_guide.php

                                                      [–]RosyPalm 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                                                      If the OP is in the military that completely changes the context of this story.

                                                      [–]-Argentian- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                      There's a pretty prominent military base in Washington.

                                                      [–]egrus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                      It's a FALSE FLAG!!11 They blew up building seven! CNN announced it! Alert Alex Jones to the conspiracy!!!

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                                                        [–]reaperx2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                        5 grams of either H or coke is what they found. However, they monitored his mail and have SR records so he will be charged with a larger amount.

                                                        [–]xkeyscore89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                        I bet it was Nod. I mean, he was in WA, and so are you.

                                                        [–]SRUser30 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                                                        Please list who the multiple vendors were, beyond Nod, to give the rest of us all a heads up.

                                                        [–]SensibleReason -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

                                                        See that's the funny part about this whole story. This person comes forward to say this but is very vague in their details. Most people would tell you everything but this person you have to ask specific questions. Why not just write everything you went through and what vendors they ask about etc etc?

                                                        [–]SensibleReason 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                        That being that who ever is in charge of his case is watching this thread. He already stated the obvious. Telling everyone who they asked about is not a crime. Not telling everyone is the fishy part. Seems like he wants attention. The first thing most people would say is they brought up vendors A B C D and so on. Not these vague details enough to wet someones whistle enough for them to keep asking you "Who did they ask about? Please do tell?".

                                                        [–]SRUser30 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                        Exactly. If the feds or whomever this was mentioned other Vendor names, it would be of great concern to the rest of us who might have dealt with one of them. We might need to take precautions. IF this is true, this is very important information....

                                                        [–]AnonRelay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                        Never speak to police. Period! That's your best bet at staying clean.

                                                        [–]BangThatShit 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                                                        Fed cases also carry minimum mandatory sentencing guidelines, in OP's case, if he's not a lying troll, he's looking at 5 years minimum in Club Fed.

                                                        [–]willreignsomnipotent -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

                                                        That doesn't sound right at all.

                                                        "You don't have to have that amount of drugs to be charged with that amount-- they'll just charge you for everything in the past, too."

                                                        Maybe, if they can get a hold of transaction records, they can TRY that. But if this were as easy for them to do as you make it sound, they'd charge every two bit junkie on the street with possession of a kilo because

                                                        "they totally must have bought that much, collectively, over years of abuse, so the charge is totally fair"

                                                        --eye roll--

                                                        [–]egrus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                        You have no experience with federal drug cases I can tell. They get the amounts ("records" as you state) from CI's, CW's, and co-defendants ratting on each other; and in this case they intercepted his mail. And yes, street junkies DO get charged with federal conspiracy cases....ALL the time in fact, it's just it's not broadcast on mainstream news that dumpster joe just got arrested by the feds because no one cares, and if you're not familiar with federal drug cases, people (like yourself) don't know shit and make assumptions based on what they watch on TV or hear from dealers / fellow users.

                                                        [–]willreignsomnipotent -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                                                        Well hey, we can't all be lawyers and big-time felons, I guess.

                                                        However, to play devil's advocate on your dissent-- I have heard similar advice given before, including BY LAWYERS. The idea being that it looks better for you, if you voluntarily enter rehab all on your own, and don't want for the court to suggest it, set it up, etc.

                                                        [–]WhipNSpurs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                        I have known people who have done this and it did work out in their favor. About two years ago two guys I know were arrested and charged for the same exact thing. One went into rehab for six months and started working full time when he got out. He kept his nose clean before his trial and made sure to abide by every condition of his bail.

                                                        The other guy, however, continued using and selling drugs with reckless abandon and has made no effort whatsoever to clean himself up.

                                                        When their trial dates came up the first guy was able to go to the judge with his new career, six months of rehab, his newborn baby girl, his new wife, etc. and show how hard he had worked to clean his life up. The second guy had nothing to show for the year leading up to the trial date. He was sentenced to five years in prison.

                                                        Of course it all depends on the judge but it can't hurt to dust off your image a bit and who knows, maybe rehab (or whatever) could be a genuinely good experience. That's another topic altogether though.

                                                        Anyway, I find this whole thing really interesting. I never ordered anything from SR and have actually been sober since 2008 but still keep up with current events pertaining to drugs. Maybe it's the addict in me trying to cling to drugs in some way.

                                                        Whatever the case, I have read through this whole thing so far and still haven't ascertained whether or not the OP is genuinely looking out for others or what. I think it doesn't really matter what his intentions are... It's always better to be safe than sorry. I dunno about you guys but when dealing with drugs I would alway assume the worst thing might happen and would subsequently prepare myself in every way possible. Of course that could have been the paranoia talking moire than anything, heh.

                                                        [–]egrus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                        I'll lay it out for you -- once you're arrested by the feds and you're a drug user, IF you make bail, you are given a pre-trial probation officer (it's in the terms of your bail). This probation officer will do an assessment of your addiction, and will make a recommendation to what your treatment should be during your time with pre-trial services (average pre-trial time is 2-3 years, yes it takes that long to actually get a sentence because of all the drug cases clogging up our court system).

                                                        Most people automatically get sent to rehab by their PTS probation officer, on the feds dime (that's right, THEY pay for it, not you), as 95% of pre-trial services funding is to deal with treatment of addicts.

                                                        There is no need to admit yourself to rehab in a federal case if you make bail -- number one, you'll have to pay for it yourself -- get the feds to pay for it, and number two, your pre-trial probation officer must approve which rehab you go to. For example, if you have a lot of money, you will not be able to check into one of those resort celeb rehab style places on your own dime -- they will not approve that. Usually the local rehab facilities deal directly with federal pre-trial services, and PTS will do the referrals; but it MUST be approved by the pre trial probation officer.

                                                        Oh, and if you're not a lawyer or a big time felon or don't have previous experience in drug crimes, then don't speak certainties of things you know nothing about; it's really that simple.

                                                        [–]throwaway321545 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                                                        I've never used Silk Road illegally, but I did make an account with the username I use for everything, which is tied to my full name, physical address, email address(es), and possibly IP address.

                                                        Fuck.

                                                        [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                                        Yup. They are definitely going to arrest you first while skipping over all the drug dealers shipping weight, the big time buyers, resellers, and the other people on SR who, you know, committed multiple actual felonies for later.

                                                        Seriously. Take a deep breath and relax.

                                                        [–]daahs 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                        dude you're fucked. keep a low profile, maybe invest in a disguise of some kind

                                                        [–]-Argentian- 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                        Why did you do that? You're not going to get in trouble but think in the future.

                                                        [–]USPShelpdesk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                        They advised me not to discuss specifics to my case outside of their office for now. I'm trying to listen to them as much as I can.


                                                        Soooo wait, then why is this still up ????????

                                                        [–]Rob3rtaPaulson 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                                                        Where do I go to pay the troll toll? And do they accept bitcoin?

                                                        [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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                                                          [–]crazypsycho 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                          Frank, it sounds like you're saying boy's hole.

                                                          [–]reaperx2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                          Lmao Frank Reynolds. You've been doxxed.

                                                          edit Frank Reynolds is a character from its always sunny in Philadelphia. I didn't doxx a real person.

                                                          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                          what is the lowest weight of drug that someone has been arrested for? i've skimmed through the posts here and i see like 5g+. the feds probably have an easier time going through with these arrests if the customer bought amounts that they could possibly re-sell. why would they go through the trouble of investigating, skimming the mail of, and staking out an occasional purchaser of 1g or less? to prove that they can? (that is actually a real possibility). once they establish with the public and with lawmakers that purchasers aren't safe then i think they might lay off a bit. in the time it takes to arrest someone who shops on tor they could make dozens of possession arrests in the projects.

                                                          [–]seriously1111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          A few posters have clearly tried to explain Federal Law and cases for what ever reason some you guys seem to live on other planets. An awful lot of bad information and even worse beliefs that some how once busted you can get off by some dodgy ideas held. Ive being around quite a few forums that have being busted hence Ive being around a lot of Federal Indictments. I can answer most questions related to Federal cases and the broad outcomes.

                                                          [–]nhkjapan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                                          [–]JeffFisker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                          I agree with you there, my point was more that if they do bust any buyers they'll be medium to large buyers. I seriously doubt they'll put the man hours and resources towards anyone who bought a a gram of Molly once or twice.

                                                          [–]JeffFisker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          Agreed, just that I think people saying that there's a task force of 100s of officers out there ready to pounce on small time buyers is a total crock. Some unlucky people will get caught but like you said, the chances are pretty remote and odds are if you have no priors you'll be fine anyway as long as it's a personal amount

                                                          [–]mehls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          post proof. also, what was the product and how much of it?

                                                          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                          Fuck that. Start freaking out if they arrest you.

                                                          [–]TheChameleonPrince 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                          Dude. stay strong.

                                                          [–]sjeffiesjeff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                          Good luck.

                                                          [–]Zackaro 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                          Bury it all in the garden and wait for all this to blow over

                                                          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          Just keep a clean house, and consider the address burned.

                                                          [–]BrionyB -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

                                                          I'm not buying this. There's no way on earth a suspect in this situation would make the admissions he just has in public after an arrest! His lawyer would do his nut. I'm chalking it down to fear mongering by a troll. The details are far too sketchy and the admissions make little sense if it were a true situation.

                                                          [–]egrus 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                                                          He probably has a public defender at this point.

                                                          [–]BrionyB 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                                                          Public defenders are highly qualified lawyers too. I don't know why people seem to think they are idiots? And trust me a Public Defender would be screaming at his client to remove this post if he knew it existed.

                                                          The more I read the more it's bullshit. A person caught like this doesn't spew online right after the arrest.

                                                          [–]deargodnotanotherone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                          on the other hand, he may just be trying to be friendly and give everyone who bought on SR a heads up. Don't know which I believe yet.

                                                          [–]reaperx2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                          True, some public defenders are good. Hell sometimes top lawyers work as public defenders. However, many public defenders tend to be recent grads who have little to no experience in a real life court case. Hence, they may not always be the best representation.

                                                          [–]The_Real_Doppelgange -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

                                                          So OP riddle me this... why are using a zip code in San Francisco that belongs to a military base?

                                                          [–]eminem56 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                                          Its probably a coincidence. Not everything is some kind of conspiracy.

                                                          [–]The_Real_Doppelgange -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                                                          Umm I never said it was a conspiracy. Try something, on your number pad... type random numbers, and hell for shits & giggles stop at 5 random numbers. Then tell me how many times you get a zip code, and then tell me if it happens to be a military zip code.

                                                          [–]whirlz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                          of all the states too...

                                                          this is starting to look embarrassing for the feds

                                                          [–]Pol_Fucking_Pot -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                          Proof please

                                                          [–]omg-ponies -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

                                                          SHUT UP! SHUT THE FUCK UP!

                                                          THE FUCK - SHUT IT UP!

                                                          SHUT UP NOW!

                                                          IF YOU COMMIT A CRIME, DO NOT TALK ABOUT IT ON THE INTERNET! EVER! EVEN UNDER AN ALIAS!

                                                          IF YOU ARE CHARGED WITH A CRIME, DO NOT TALK ABOUT IT ON THE INTERNET! EVER! EVEN UNDER AN ALIAS!

                                                          YOU ONLY TALK ABOUT A CRIME WITH ONE PERSON - YOUR LAWYER!

                                                          DO NOT TALK ABOUT YOUR CRIMINAL CASE ON THE INTERNET!

                                                          EVER!

                                                          [–]willreignsomnipotent 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                          Nice advice, but don't assume OP is too ignorant to know this. Seems to me like he's trying to save other people some potential trouble. I know that may seem strange in a world where 99 out of every 100 people is a scumbag who would stab their own grandmother in the eye to come out ahead, but there are good people out there, who will take a personal risk to help others.

                                                          [–]Airbornne1966 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                                                          BEST POST ON THIS THREAD< I'd give you Gold if I were a leprachaun...

                                                          [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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                                                            [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

                                                            Or OP could be full of shit trying to get a rise out of the subreddit. That's the way I'm currently leaning until this fool reappears and answers some basic questions.

                                                            [–]gtownbingo99 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

                                                            Be helpful and list every vendor you bought from. Jesus fuck man, at least try and be helpful.

                                                            [–]withinamind -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                                                            So you're a medical professional and you decided to throw your life and career away by ordering H on the internet? Damn.

                                                            [–]toad3527 -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

                                                            What city in Wa? Nod was Bellevue.

                                                            [–]necklean 8 points9 points  (5 children)

                                                            Yes and also, your address.

                                                            [–]th3gutgrinder 6 points7 points  (3 children)

                                                            Could we also get a picture of you holding up a sign admitting guilt. I don't think this is stupid enough yet.

                                                            [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

                                                            Yes and put a shoe on your head in the photo so we really know.

                                                            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                            Sharpie in pooper.

                                                            [–]necklean -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                            and your glasses. so you have them.

                                                            [–]creggister 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                            96213: This is a Military/Embassy specific ZIP Code for an APO/FPO/DPO (Air/Army Post Office, Fleet Post Office or Diplomatic Post Office).

                                                            Seems odd that OP would use a military/state department post office zip code in his username, doesn't it?

                                                            [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                            I use a different address. Now I gotta use an even more different now, so many people with outside mailboxes.

                                                            [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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                                                              [–]frankie1969 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                                                              I also think it is complete bullshit!!! You come on and indicate you are in the same state as NOD. If you really were arrested, you would not jump on here and claim to be from Washington and give all of the details with the potential of being the only one arrested in the state for buying and therefore being clearly visable to LE.

                                                              I think its a troll looking for attention. Even got mentioned on Gwacker...I think you accomplished what you wanted.

                                                              [–]IFfollower -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

                                                              Liar.......

                                                              [–]heisenberg2pt0 -2 points-1 points  (10 children)

                                                              Could you be the other Washington arrest? Regardless of what happens police are trying to scare people away now that Silk road is shut so arresting a vendor makes for good PR.

                                                              "NPR reports that US authorities have also charged two people in Bellevue, Washington, after identifying one of them as a top seller on Silk Road. He was arrested on 2 October, and his alleged accomplice turned herself in the next day. " http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/10/10/silk-road-leads-to-eight-arrests-in-us-uk-sweden/

                                                              [–]heisenberg2pt0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                              Thanks

                                                              [–]DrunkParrot 0 points1 point  (7 children)

                                                              Hardly. More like his whipping girl/bitch/indentured servant

                                                              [–]The_Real_Doppelgange 0 points1 point  (6 children)

                                                              Really? I guess I missed that. Where is the article on that? I only read something a few days back how she was basically running things to the post office.

                                                              [–]DrunkParrot 0 points1 point  (5 children)

                                                              I don't need an article to tell me something I witnessed with my own eyes.

                                                              [–]The_Real_Doppelgange 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                                                              Ok I am going to have to call BS without some kind of proof.

                                                              And please let me preempt your "I don't care if you believe me"... if that is your answer then you are most definitely bullshitting.

                                                              [–]DrunkParrot 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                                                              What sort of proof?

                                                              [–]The_Real_Doppelgange 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                                                              Fuck I would settle for anything reasonable.

                                                              Lets say for a second you did know them (which I am not conceding), you can just be delusional on this whole abuse thing. For all I know you have a chubby for this chick, and what to be her whiteknight.

                                                              Lets start here, provide me the details of this abusive relationship that forced her to sell drugs. Please.

                                                              [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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                                                                [–]The_Real_Doppelgange 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                More like his whipping girl/bitch/indentured servant

                                                                That implied forcing or coercion to me at least. Pretty sure it would be read like that by most.

                                                                Idk... I think I see this too often. Chick gets caught up in some shit and then tries to play dumb. I am not saying he didn't have a hold on her (or not), but a child would've known she was playing with fire.

                                                                I don't know the details so who knows. I am not saying your opinion doesn't matter (if true), but it is from a biased perspective.

                                                                I should also say Nod is a POS that should be burned alive for the mere fact he cooperated, but that is another story.

                                                                [–]twigburst -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                                                                I don't doubt that this might be real, but I don't believe shit like this until its confirmed. Too many trolls on the internet, too many assholes that are full of shit and make things up. I wouldn't be surprised if it was one or the other, but if you aren't lying get someone that knows you to either post about it on a drug forum not on reddit. I totally believe that if he had a ledger and enough correspondence between himself and you they would kick your door in, but you probably should have cleaned house after he got busted. You should never assume vendors delete everything cause a lot of them don't think what if.

                                                                [–]federalzipcode -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

                                                                He paid the troll toll. All you guys who are buying it are fucking funny

                                                                [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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                                                                  [–]Dweezil_In_Bondage -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

                                                                  Yeah I saw that and just when I thought Gawker had some journalistic integrity.

                                                                  [–]Rockcocain -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

                                                                  Now you get ready for three squares a day in the pen of cockmeat sammich

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