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[–]Mw3Slut 7 points8 points  (12 children)

What other markets can this compare to? What makes your market any different then the others? Is the admin present all to most of the time?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (11 children)

As of right now everyone is very busy checking, double checking, triple checking nothing is a miss when we post the Market link publicly. I am tasked with Moderating the Forum. Personally my favorite feature is the option to force Auto-Encryption for messages. When the site was developed they went for a SR1 feel, while keeping its own uniqueness. The Vendor tools are also easy to use compared to Agora according to a vendor. When the Market is public feel free to see for yourself and see how you feel. For now, if you come to the Forum and post questions, other people besides myself can answer them. As I do not possess all the answers.

[–]Mw3Slut 5 points6 points  (10 children)

Well thanks Its always good to hear you guys are making sure there are no issues before you throw your market out there. I am a vendor and I always give more power to you market builders since I know how hard it is to build one (one of the lead developers for pandora) I like jumping on these early like I did for tor market, sheep, bmr,agora. I looked into Evo when they started are found no admin present an got ripped off by RealRx. So if you can keep the admin present then I think you will be fine. I love the auto encryption!!! Forces those people lacking pgp to stay off the site.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (9 children)

you can also opt to block unencrypted messages too!

[–]Mw3Slut 5 points6 points  (8 children)

That's smooth, can I ask your overall goal besides money?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Well, the overall goal is to try and provide a smoother experience when buying than the existing markets currently do, add features we think they are missing, show that a better DNM experience can exist. We also welcome any feature suggestions we do not have.

[–]Mw3Slut 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Evo is lets scammers sell on there market and agora is slow to catch on, how will you guys go about investigating and handling them?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Well, there is alot of nuance to buyer/vendor situations and one can only hope to increase the chance of making the right call with disputes by well.....disputing it. I've seen good calls and I've seen bad calls on markets. Sometimes I felt like not alot of effort was put into figuring out who was lying(which isn't easy at all) I even seen disputes get 1/2 refunds to satisfy buyer slightly and not piss off vendor too much.

Even if the right call is made, the loser to the dispute will still spread FUD out of plain contempt. It's not an easy job being Market Support Staff and thankless as well. Woe to those with the duty of Market Support anywhere. We plan to take disputes seriously, peoples money is on the line.

[–]Mw3Slut 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's very fair and there will always be haters for sure. The up time is a issue for agora due to how big it is but scares away buyers , what will you guys do to make sure there's less down time?

Why won't y'all allow weapons on your market? The gun runners how no safe heaven market, why not use yours?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Those are question best answered by the admin. he did say on my advertisement post on the hub that "We did neglect to mention that, "Kiss," is a drug and currency only marketplace. We choose to fight one war at a time. " you can ask him to elaborate more. As for the site up/down time, I would not know to be honest, again, you'll have to ask the admin. sorry.

[–]All_the_white_people 0 points1 point  (2 children)

free drugs and currency?

[–]Mw3Slut 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lol and that was motivated by most the others and they ran off with your money so I would like a normal goal besides I wanna get fucked up and rich

[–]All_the_white_people 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like to think some of those lost forever packages just ended up at the admins house

[–]youtakesally 7 points8 points  (8 children)

force auto message encryption sounds like we have to trust you or whoever puts their hands on the server.

What about force manual encryption, so I can keep lazy fucks from sending cleartext messages to me?

[–]Trance_Forming 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This. We put somebody on blast when we learn they use igolder, why is a market any better of an option to encrypt your shit?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

you can opt to block non-pgp messages. So sender won't even be able to send it in clear text. Auto-encrypt uses the recipients public PGP key to encrypt the message to them :| you can even send a message to yourself with auto encryption enabled to test if it works. you'll find that you and only you have the ability to decrypt it.

[–]FingersQuiet 0 points1 point  (5 children)

You're not really getting it. Users would have to trust the system not to look at (or store) the unencrypted message first. This is pretty fundamental.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I get it. I just think you're overreacting a bit. If you don't like the feature encrypt it yourself :\ it's not manditory.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I do have to mention, if the feature is on it just encrypts things that aren't encrypted. It'll over look encrypted messages. So maybe you forgot to encrypt something or you feel its just minor chitchat and doesn't need encryption(but still ends up being a little to sensitive. you know?

[–]InfinitelyOutThere 0 points1 point  (2 children)

this is an old comment but thats pretty slick it covers you if you miss

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The forum URL will be changed later today. I will inform you of the new URL when the forum is back up and running.

[–]InfinitelyOutThere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks.

[–]Threvo100 5 points6 points  (2 children)

suggestions

Please implement a 2 day order cancel if not shipped by then feature

Please add automatic extended auto finalize times through sending vendor a message like Agore

Please keep our review names completely anon like Agora (if possible show exact number of buys for each customer)

I have more ideas please ask if interested

Please

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

We have the cancel option set to 3 days if it doesnt change to shipped.
You can already extend auto-finalize by sending vendor a message or by opening a dispute.
review names will be anonymous(but as of now purchase count will not be shown)

If you wish to tell more ideas, please post at the forum so not only i will see them.(plus easier to read)

[–]Threvo100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like you got it down. Wil do

[–]k9atemybuds 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Gene Simmons will sell anything with the kiss name this tops the coffins.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

good one!

[–]k9atemybuds 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Good luck with the market! I think there is a decent need to have a few more and spread things out a bit. Been a 2 1/2 dog and pony show latley.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks

[–]mad87645 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I actually think Gene Simmons will come after these guys harder than LE will.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hahahahaha that'd be fucking hilarious!

[–]tgif3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Should contact tes or mrtee on agora forums believe he/she has been promoting agora for over a 15 months I believe and was probably paid well to do so.

That fucker spammed so many forums.

Does anyone remember when willy.clock hired him to attack the evo forums and he spammed the last 5,000 threads with his invite link and willy's link ahhhhh fucking verto never saw it coming. 150 accounts wrecking havoc on evo forums at 5 am in the morning.... priceless

[–]wumboisms[🍰] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Must be sleep deprived... Seriously thought you were selling kisses on DNMs lol...

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

No but instead of Karma on the forum you give a Kiss

[–]pinkprincess1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Love it! Where do I sign up?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Forum link in bottom of post, Market link will be public soon.

[–]mad87645 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's a kissing company, do you know what I'm saying?

[–]ShulginsCat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This sounds like sort of an incremental improvement - which isn't a bad thing - but I have to ask: are you planning any major upgrades from the SR feature set we already know and use?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My job is soley based around the forum. You'd have to post that question on the forum directed at the admin. Only thing i can answer is stuff I already know :)

[–]Amgblacklabs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Want to do something different? Don't offer fe. Free acc for trusted vendors. Low percentage take say 2% High vendor bond. Provides a barrier to entry for scammers.

[–]kissquestionthrow 1 point2 points  (13 children)

-Selected established vendors will be verified and invited to join the market with the vendor bond waived.

-Free accounts will not be offered to new vendors.

you want established vendors to go on and trust a brand new market, but won't give new vendors a chance?

doesn't seems fair. who are you? are you established? i didn't check your bond but how do you expect vendors to pay to go on a brand new site. if i were a customer, and there were only a handful of vendors, i wouldn't bother with it. if i were a new vendor, why would i pay to vend on a site that has nobody there instead of a market that is known to be popular?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (11 children)

People barely buy from new vendors on established markets. It's to get well known vendors to check it out and make an opinion on how things work for them on the market, spread the word. Honestly I'm not expecting any new vendors until quite a few sales have been made by established vendors and new vendors can see that its safe to risk a bond to vend.

[–]kissquestionthrow -1 points0 points  (10 children)

not sure what your point is, people barely buy from new markets so what is the difference? there have been so many markets that have came out and where are they now? you aren't offering anything else than what is already out there, not sure why you think all of these "established vendors" are going to use a new market if they are already getting sales on their markets. what do you have that makes this market so special? if anything, i would expect a new market to welcome new vendors, otherwise this sounds a bit like a honeypot.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

There is a vendor bond because if new vendors get in for free they have nothing to risk when they scam.

[–]kissquestionthrow -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

There is a vendor bond because if new vendors get in for free they have nothing to risk when they scam.

really? i don't think vendor bonds on established markets stop vendors from scamming people. if that is your only reply to my very basic questions, i really hope your only job on this market is to "relay information." i am still trying to figure out what makes this market any different than others out there now and you are not even capable of doing so. even reading through this entire thread i have found nothing. for now i will just consider this another scam market or a honeypot.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Now I never said it stops them but it cuts down on it considerabley. also your questions are those of which that have to be proven through experience rather than me simply answering. When the markets up check it out, see what you do and don't like about it rather than being a prick :|

[–]kissquestionthrow 0 points1 point  (6 children)

i was simply asking valid questions, questions that still need to be answered rather than saying they have to be "proven through experience." i thought you were here to relay information about the market, and you can't answer the questions. i do not believe i was being a prick, they really are simple questions.

"why do you think all of these "established vendors" are going to use a new market if they are already getting sales on their markets. what do you have that makes this market so special?"

"what makes this market any different than others?"

if those questions can't be answered, then your market really is no different than those out there now. you may not know this but i could be a top vendor who is looking for a new market, and am really interested in what the differences are. you are failing miserably at selling this market to people.

so far all i know is you only want established vendors, your favorite feature is the option to force auto-encryption for messages, and that i am a prick. thank you for dodging my questions and down voting me, i will make sure not to use this market.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Well, vendors like options plain and simple. No one market is going to be around forever either by their own volition or the LE's
I didn't say we only want established vendors I said "I dont think new vendors will be joining anytime soon" refering to their own free will.
This Market is different because we're going to be providing a better customer service (which you will need to experience) and add in optional features one might want to or not to use on the market along with all the typical features on the well known markets.
and stating "for now i will just consider this another scam market or a honeypot." is being a prick, incase you weren't aware. No one asked how you felt about a place you haven't been. Also I didn't down vote you, only person I down voted was "4502040"
PS If you'd like proof I didn't down vote you I can drop it to -1 temporarily as i dont think your posts warrent one.

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    [–]kissquestionthrow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    actually i would think that you, as customer support or whatever you are, would WANT to know what people think about what has been explained/showed off so far.

    by me saying, "for now i will just consider this another scam market or a honeypot." is me being skeptical, not so much a prick. when things are said such as,

    "Marketplace vendor preregistration is open: -Selected established vendors will be verified and invited to join the market with the vendor bond waived. For verifciation and access to the marketplace, vendors are invited to preregister via this forum: **** "

    and

    "When the site was developed they went for a SR1 feel"

    makes me think back to when SR2 was just starting up, and they were registering established vendors through the forum. it raised a red flag so i think i do have a right to express my views on this

    we all have a right to be paranoid and skeptical, excuse me for trying to look out for the community.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I do like to know what people think, just not in the fashion of which you present it. I don't need to know you think it's a hony pot or scam. it's not coded like sr1 just kinda navigates the way sr1 did. They are old school and have been around since sr1 and lots of people missed the way it was setup, shit i do. sr2 didnt quite cut it, Agora is an acquired taste and evo....well Evos setup isn't that bad tbh. I am nothing but a forum Mod.

    [–]sobulbous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Why do you expect them to give away vendor accounts to anyone with no bond? Seems like it just invites scammers, which in turn leads to bad experiences for buyers. A better way would be high bond for new vendors coupled with a commission free holiday for the grand opening.

    [–]MarkMerrill1102 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Which currencies will you be selling?

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    what ever currency vendors have to offer.

    [–]freemarket_oracle 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    The admin listed on the forum is named Alpha. Is this the same Alpha that owns Alphabay?

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    Nah just coincidence, I made Omega and the theme started from there.

    [–]freemarket_oracle 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Where do we ask detailed questions to the devs about the security of the site and the research they have done? The security section of your forum contains a warning about using Windows or Mac and some tutorial about "hacking" Wifi.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    we'll those were starter posts so people had something to read when they showed up rather than a blank forum. Feel free to post it in security since it is security questions

    [–]freemarket_oracle 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    It's okay, I will wait to view the market before I ask too many questions. Good luck with the market!

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    ok

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    I'm a bit late to the party but you should post your PGP key incase anyone wants to message you.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I don't know how to post it without it being broken. If you do, please inform me on how.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Ah, Reddit seems to mess it up. Yeah. Maybe stick it on Pastebin? I'm not sure.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    good idea, didn't cross my mind

    [–]___BrockObama___ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Hey man, thanks for all your hard work. I love seeing when new markets are born. BrockObama

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Thank You :)
    The devs work really hard to make sure everything works great and security is up to snuff.

    [–]iliveintor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    So I just have few questions as a consumer. Your market introduction post wasn't very descriptive. 1) How old are you? Are you some 12 year old with great coding skills? 2) Who are you in general? How can we trust you? What can you guarantee us? 3) How many on your staff? How can you trust them? How much are the fees? 4) How will you handle downtime or emergencies? 5) Do you have good infrastructure, privacy, and anonymity for your operation as whole? 6) What do you hope to gain from this? What are your goals? My bad for asking so many questions lol. Markets and scams are the norm these days.

    [–]VNDRRVWTHRWAWY 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    you're keeping it too simply stupid.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Well, that's why I said ask questions, what do you think my post is missing? what do you think it needs to be answered up front when people click on the post?

    [–]VNDRRVWTHRWAWY 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I was just makin a pun on the name of the market. KISS (Keep it simple stupid) xD

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Apologies, flew right over my head.

    [–]4502040 -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

    I don't think I could come up with a more boring and amateurish market release if I could. Nothing about this sounds trustworthy or even worthwhile. And besides that, there is not even a mention of escrow nor is there a working market to visit. But sure, have my BTC! I will just blindly deposit them once all the verified vendors have flocked to KISS!

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children)

    Well Escrow is a given. I don't think a true market exists without escrow. You have to start somewhere, It's why I said come to the Forum, post, ask questions, get to know the site is trustworthy before putting in the risk of buying. P.S. No need to be rude, you can ask sincere questions and express sincere concerns nicely :\

    [–]Trance_Forming 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Good on you for not retorting in the same dickhead manner as you were attacked.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    It's to be expected, human nature after all. Especially considering how many scam sites there have been.

    [–]imexample 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Hey, im having troubles creating an account on the kiss marketplace... everytime i try to log on, it says incorrect details (password), even though i know its 100% correct. what should i do?

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    go to the forum and get my PGP key and send me an encrypted message, with your market username. We will check the database. If no sales have been made and no coin is on the account we will delete the account and you can reregister. If there is money or transactions on the account, You will have to speak to KissSupport on how to proceed. As of now, the site is down for maintainence, has been for a while.
    Might have to wait to until the site is back up for registration to work properly. I will mention this to Admin.

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