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[–]Gakster 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Oh man what a ride... That was awesome, expect nothing less from a reddit hive mind member! Well done!

[–]badgrl2 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Indeed, that was a great read.

There doesn't seem to be much actual discussion going on in this thread and I have so many questions; what exactly is the consensus as to why Curtis Green was sent the coke?

Was he working for the FBI ever since since his 09 bust? Seems like that was over with according to his posts on opiophile....and if he was a mole who worked his way into DPR's inner circle, what would the point be to have the UC send him the drugs, they would've already had any info on DPR that he had...was it just to try to goad DPR into the hit?

If he wasn't an informant from the start and only flipped after he was busted for the shipment, I still don't understand why he would be receiving the cocaine shipments for googleyed since he was only into pain meds? Gambling money or something? I'm kind of blown away right now trying to put all these pieces together.

[–]SRxoxoxoxoxo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeha this part makes no sense and is a gapping hole in the theory. I can see ChronicPain wanting a piece of the cake, but "doing ross a solid" is a little farfetched. Had DPR been sweet talked by this Nob character despite very much looking like LE? Unlikely but possible given his other OPSEC errors. however both googleyed AND ChronicPain just taking DPRs word for it despite CP having previous experiance with LE and googleyed vast experiance being a vendor? Even more unlikely.

I think theres something more to this part of the story. IF we find out how these three semingly experianced characters were so easily fooled by an obvious undercover LEO we might get a much clearer picture of the full story.

[–]lamoustache[F,S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

what exactly is the consensus as to why Curtis Green was sent the coke?

According to googleyed1 he was acting as re-shipper. That is, re-shipping everyhting to googleyed1 because nob didn't want to ship overseas (googleyed1 is allegedly from the UK) or re-shipping for the US on behalf of googleyed1 and obviously taking a cut on it.

Was he working for the FBI ever since since his 09 bust?

I don't know, difficult to say. My take on it is he wasn't when he got involved with SR. Not sure what happened next.

if he was a mole who worked his way into DPR's inner circle, what would the point be to have the UC send him the drugs, they would've already had any info on DPR that he had...was it just to try to goad DPR into the hit?

Good question.

If he wasn't an informant from the start and only flipped after he was busted for the shipment, I still don't understand why he would be receiving the cocaine shipments for googleyed since he was only into pain meds?

I don't have any answer to that either unfortunately, but it seems the main motive is financial since he would have get a cut on it. I doubt he would have done it for free.

[–]rYq96ouH 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't have any answer to that either unfortunately, but it seems the main motive is financial since he would have get a cut on it. I doubt he would have done it for free.

Remember that his wife was found to have methamphetamine in her system when she was drug tested so I don't think you can say they were only into pain meds.

[–]nowitassholeGreen 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Interesting read, very well written.

Pretty shocking that someone so high up the food chain can get doxxed based on personal information he has freely given out on public forums. Much like Ross.

How hard is it to have a completely separate identity on SR, than you use elsewhere.

[–]misconstrudel 2 points3 points  (2 children)

It can prove pretty hard these days. Search YouTube for "stylometry" and you'll shit yourself.

Here's one from 29c3. If law enforcement have these tools and enough of your posts across different forums then they can track you with a fairly high degree of accuracy of I recall the content properly.

[–]aZeex2ai 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This is the reason Snowden asked not to be quoted at length before his story was published. To avoid identification through handwriting analysis.

[–]misconstrudel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hadn't heard that. Makes perfect sense.

[–]egrus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Best read so far on this sub reddit.

[–]synikal12 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is mind blowing investigative work. Very very well done.

[–]ropiatesthrowaway 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is genius. You are great at what you do. Please do not hesitate to post more requests for informations on that link and in this subreddit. I'm sure people will be willing to help you out.

[–]FocusForASecond 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If you don't mind me asking, how long did this take to investigate? Either way, great work OP! This is the kind of journalism we need.

[–]lamoustache[F,S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It was some ongoing work since the Maryland indictment was published. At first I was just taking some note here and there, trying to organise all the information together. I only started to know what I was looking for in the past 10 days maybe. All in all I didn't spend so much time on it. The longest part was put everything together, digging the threads to get the screenshots, get the correct links etc. Thanks for the kind words.

[–]oxylife 4 points5 points  (1 child)

That was some insane detective work, fascinating read. Since you did so great with that hit, do you have any insight on friendlychemist and redandwhite? Anything you came across in the forums or just a personal hunch about what happened?

[–]reaperx2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And dod. Someone has to put an end to his shit.

[–]deepdot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Great read and amazing work (cant imagine how much time that took)

Downloaded a local copy of the whole thing+files in case this disappears from some reason.

Only thing missing is the vendor roundtable

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

You are like the Yin to DoD's Yang. Nice work, great read.

[–]earthmoonsun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who's DoD?

[–]egrus -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

Don't compare this to DoD -- DoD is a total fucktard, this guy actually is credible and is logical.

[–]TheRedStoner 6 points7 points  (2 children)

The thing about yin and yang, is that they are equal/opposite.

[–]egrus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're right; I guess I was thinking of situations where people say "you're the yin to my yang" -- where the analogy isn't quite "exact opposites" ; more like "we fit together" kind of thing. I guess people (including myself) wrongly assumed that was a proper analogy.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Im did not mean to imply it was comparable in any way. I meant that this is everything DoD's stupid theories are not. That this is amazing and an actual piece of investigative reporting that is worthwhile as opposed to DoD's ramblings which unbelievably some people still claim are "interesting" and "make you think". Uhhh, no.

[–]egrus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Word, I get you. My bad.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wow, this is incredible work

[–]heist_of_saint_graft 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Goddamned amazing work. I can only echo that this is the most amazing post I've seen in this subreddit.

[–]reaperx2 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Someone needs to find out who dod/coachella/etc. That one might be difficult.

[–]spaznut 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yes yes yes. For the lulz for sure. And I doubt it'd be difficult. He'd be sitting in a corner by his computer shaking, dribbling on himself and ranting on about how he's a big gay bear and he loves DPR. Oh and the first person that walks in he'd accuse them of being Adrian Chen/ HeatFAN. Taps nose

[–]reaperx2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So many aliases though. I don't think anyone knows how many reddit accounts he has.

I curious to know how he has so much time to troll. Its hard to believe he has a job so I wonder how he affords to vend (albeit temporarily) or how does he have a computer and internet.

[–]Gakster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks so much that is awesome now i got something to read! Yay!

[–]Gomba1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is one serious piece of work.

[–]SensibleReason 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nice work. Finally someone with all the info that makes sense.

[–]CleverWit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow.

[–]BBQCopter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Amazing job, OP.

[–]reaperx2 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Does that forum backup include the vendor round table?

[–]lamoustache[F,S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately not.

[–]ThatGetItKid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That moment when you figure out that OP is really Glenn Greenwald.

[–]dreadly1217 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Whoa, you called it!

"An administrator with wide ranging access to the supposedly secret transactions on the Silk Road online market pleaded guilty to a drug charge Thursday after being caught in a federal sting in January. Curtis Clark Green, 47, was unmasked as postal inspectors delivered a kilogram of cocaine to his Utah home after Green sent an undercover agent his address.

Green pleaded guilty to a drug charge in federal court in Baltimore and his plea agreement reveals more details about how federal authorities closed in on the operators of the secret Internet site. Green and his attorney declined to comment.

Green, who went by the names Flush and chronicpain on Silk Road, was paid a salary in his position as an administrator. He was also able to access messages between customers and sellers on the site, peer into their financial accounts at the market and provided regular reports to the site's owner about disputes and possible law enforcement snooping."

Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-silk-road-employee-20131107,0,5353243.story#ixzz2k07rT9HH

[–]lamoustache[F,S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Thanks. Interesting how it suddenly got public. I've search quite a lot and there wasn't any sign of an hearing or court appearance. It would be really helpful to know if it is a coincidence or not with the publication of Green's identity.

[–]dreadly1217 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I wouldn't be surprised, but I'm not sure how you find out for sure. You could contact the author of the Baltimore Sun article and ask how/when he got his information?

[–]lamoustache[F,S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've asked him, but he didn't know as well, however he confirmed the hearing wasn't scheduled in advanced, whatever it really means...

[–]chobopeon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

as always, this site is really well put together

[–]threwsidfoiah 1 point2 points  (1 child)

To be clear, this Nob character is completely different from Steven 'Nod' Sadler, the heroin dealer turned informant...right?

[–]Hero_of_the_Internet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow! Best part was when you linked chronicpain to pokergooch to Curtis Green. Bravo!

[–]hoxie3000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

After hours of investigation, I have discovered that /u/lamoustache is actually DoD's alternate personality!

What a twist...

j/k moustache :)

[–]kernowgringo 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Whoever wrote this for future reference "dot-dot-dot (...)" is called an ellipsis.

[–]lamoustache[F,S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Text edited. Thanks

[–]LongLiveThe_KingIAMA Shill AMAA -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Looks like they fixed it for you.

[–]kernowgringo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It should now be the plural ellipses, but it's still better.

I only know the term ellipsis from reading Atuomated Alice by Jeff Noon, a pretty trippy book where Alice (from Alice in Wonderland) visits present day Manchester, England. Well worth a read.

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    [–]heist_of_saint_graft 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    Can someone mirror the article? Site is blocked from here.

    [–]Plead_Ignorance 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    [–]heist_of_saint_graft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Thank you for the mirror.

    [–]lamoustache[F,S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    From where? I'll upload a mirror somewhere and post the address for download here

    [–]lamoustache[F,S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    OP updated with backup url available for download. What does it mean Site blocked from here? from where?

    [–]heist_of_saint_graft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It's just a workplace thing, they blacklisted the original domain for some reason. Thank you for backup url and the amazing work.

    [–]dreadly1217 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is incredible. Thanks for sharing it.

    [–]bobwrkreddit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    awesome read. killed 90 minutes work

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        [–]Dweezil_In_Bondage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yep that facebook page has been deleted.

        [–]ropiatesthrowaway 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Sent you a PM, please get back when you can

        [–]lamoustache[F,S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        replied.

        [–]bitcointodamoon -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

        To be honest, what good does it have to have the name, etc? what good does that do? Im sure it will eventually come out anyways.. Im not saying what he did was right (Assuming its all true) but to put someones life in danger when its not necessary, isn't cool in my book..

        [–]lamoustache[F,S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        I do understand your point and agree to some extend with you. I had exactly the same dilemma and we thought about the consequences before going full disclosure on this one. I'll try to explain why it was decided not to withhold information.

        The goal wasn't to put anyone in danger and it wasn't a doxxing exercise either.

        The goal was to find out who could be "The Employee" mentioned in the Maryland indictment, in a Silk Road context, in order to understand that surreal situation where DPR is allegedly putting a bounty on the guy. One level higher the overall objective is to cast the shadow on many points which a lot of people find unclear (at least we do) in the investigation which led to DPR arrest and SR shutdown.

        That being said, now... In order to reach the first goal one must be able to link a SR user with "The Employee". There are plenty of theories and bullshit floating around about it. The conclusion from the first part of the story "On 'The Employee' staged assassination" lead toward a user chronicpain, or two users with flush depending on your degree of imagination, which could be"The Employee". Nothing really new here as it is one of the many theories mentioned on several forums. So, it was yet another story, with maybe a little bit more consistency and details about the reasoning, but still a conclusion with no solid back up to the claim. More or less the same than a three lines post on any blackmarket forum discussing the topic.

        To add value to the general understanding of this particular event one must link chronicpain to pokergooch.

        What do we do know? Three possibilities:

        • we do not publish the link chronicpain --> pokergooch and nothing really new is put on the table. Back to square one.

        • we do publish the link chronicpain --> pokergooch --> CCG along with full details and some context, which we've decided to do.

        • we do publish only the link chronicpain --> pokergooch.

        Problem with the last option is pokergooch is CCG, it is his online alter ego. Even if CCG direct footprint on Internet is not as massive as pokergooch, publishing only his alias pokergooch was in our opinion equivalent to posting the complete details.

        We could have blur anything you want, pictures, names, address, dates, whatever really, if one manage to link chronicpain to pokergooch it is game over. In 15 minutes time you have the full details available from several sources and we think it makes sense as he didn't hide the link pokergooch --> CCG as shown in the post where he talks about the doctor in Vegas and the LE collaboration under his pokergooch alias or other online accounts where he links directly pokergooch to CCG in one way or another.

        The second argument which led to go full disclosure here is why would one assume no one else has the information. We managed to make the link without being part of the game but by being simple aware spectators. Other people with other agenda and maybe motives would have done it or have already done it. But you don't know, I don't know and more important he doesn't know. At least now we all have the same information. This is also a reason why I do not think we've put anyone life in danger. If his life was put in danger it was the moment he got arrested and when the Maryland indictment mentioned "The Employee". Not because of what has been published.

        Another point I would like to clarify since I think I have seen posts and message jumping to that conclusion, is at this stage there isn't any proof whatsoever he collaborated with LE and helped in SR shutdown and DPR arrest. It is really important to keep that in mind. It will eventually come out but so far it isn't the case. So far it is only a dude identified as "The Employee" who got arrested for cocaine possession and that's it; whatever people are saying or want to believe.

        I will finish by saying that I don't think there is anything "cool" about that very interesting story and thus I agree with you it isn't cool in my book either.

        Sorry for the long answer, but your comment was really pertinent, raised a concerned we had and thus deserved a complete answer.

        Hopefully it does answer your question.

        Peace

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