A Vendor's Thoughts About the Future? Need some advice...

In the recent days I have been thinking about my future, and have started wondering if there are other vendors out the who will be able to contribute safely to a thread such as this one. I am comfortable enough to know that this is far enough over the 'wire' to ensure my safety.

My start into darkness vending was a couple years ago, after leaving university. Im 24 male. Academically a mathematician. Never previously incarcerated. I'm absolutely fascinated with the whole market of drugs. But I'm starting to think that this doesn't have a 401K plan. I'm fairly large and process about a dozen orders a day, but I can't really put that on a resume. Shelf corporations and D.B.A.'s aside. Sure, these items can be embellished as a "business owner", but really? Something real.

I'd like to ask how many vendors out there right now vending are doing so because of a previous incarceration, that has resulted in you inability to get a 'legitimate' job and/or keep one?

Do any vendors have an exit strategy? If so please elaborate. Plan to do your bid, bank it, and bounce? The what? Plan to retire ever? I guess I'm lucky in a way where I don't have a family to support; its just me. And I travel extensively so that make my current temporary occupation somewhat better. BUT FUCK!

Vending online is a serious crash course in fundamental business management. Especially if your relatively large. As a mathematician I have been applying some fundament financial analysis on what I call "My Project" and I'll tell you. Something very interesting happens when start making cash flow statements, inventory analysis, competitive market pricing, spread, coin price, realized profit, sourcing, product testing, money management, corporate financials and taxes, etc... You realize this is a really really raw business. Uninterrupted by legislation, because it is outside the bounds of something legislation can obstruct. Black market.

Add to that the OPSEC both technically and logistically. Having been a mathematician computers are right up my ally. I use Amazon Web Services, reconfigured tor relays, tor bridges, transparent proxy's, admin command line prompts and just general networking knowledge needed to correctly and safely operate "My Project." Logistically simply put "Leave no pattern, and leave no trace."

I know I can't do this forever, becuase we get old eventually. And I don't know what expertise I can provide the 'real world' Because I don't know if this is something for a resume, and I dread the question when I do need to find a job of "What did you do from after you finished University until now?" Can I say I sold a few hundred thousand dollars worth or drugs online? I highly doubt that would be appropriate.

I hope I can get vendors can contribute to this thread as I'm sure you have felt the same way, and if you haven't maybe now you have. Whats the exit strategy. What do vendors do when they retire from vending? Do you plan to retire from vending?

Any contribution is good.


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[23 Points] None:

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[14 Points] NotAFuckingShill:

You never vend to make a career out of it. Sames goes for IRL. You get in, make some quick bucks and get out before the heat starts to burn


[12 Points] None:

I'm not a vendor, but I am a computer scientist, so I kinda get where you are coming from. I've thought about vending. It doesn't seem all that hard and it might be kind of fun. But the more I thought about it, the less attractive it seemed.

There is a lot of research supporting the fact that happiness and money are only loosely related. In the US, happiness and money are correlated up to about $80K/year (varies by region and obligations a bit) In other words, if you make less than that a lot of your unhappiness is tied to money. If you make more than that you are in the area of diminishing returns. My experience follows this. I make around $100K now and I am perfectly happy. In the past I have made as much as $350K and been miserable.

If you are decent mathematician, you should be able to make $100K a year now, or within a few years. I think working at a job where you don't have to look over your shoulder all the time would be vastly preferable to being a vendor. Save the drugs for the weekend. After you have been working for a while you can find a job that makes you happy and lets you live the life you want. Or you can start your own legit business.

The counter-argument to this is if you just really enjoy "the game" of vending. In that case, you are kind of stuck.


[6 Points] exvendor:

Ex Vendor here, I started around July 2014, just finished vending around March or so? Exit Scammed and broke a lot of hearts, I got out of this game as quick as I came in, not a lot of people will appreciate this answer, but I got in and out with a lot of money, I do regret what I did, but I did it purely out of self interest, now I am looking for other viable options that don't carry the weight and stress like this.

Start up your next big thing, travel or what not..

Will I come back to selling dope? Who knows, all I know is I want nothing to do with it, I will not touch it with a ten foot pole, the stress endured during this was really high..


[3 Points] ieijndnad9:

I don't think you appreciate the level of autonomy and freedom you can have as a vendor if you're earning well. If you're earning over +$80-100k (TAX FREE!!) there are no excuses to not getting some trade certifications outside of vending. You could also start a business and focus on something you enjoy and are good at regardless of whether it will earn you money for the first few years. The last thing you want to do is get out of vending and back to a 9 to 5 job. Unless you enjoy 9 to 5, you might make comparable money or even more, but you'll never make it as easy or with as much freedom as when you're pushing drugs on the internet. When I am done with vending and have saved up anywhere from $250-500k all I want is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJh5wdvdfVE


[3 Points] JesusChristalMeth:

From 2005-2009 (yes, SoL is 5 years) I vended almost entirely on quasi-clearnet to pay student loans. My undergrduate loans have been paid off entirely and I went to an expensive private school.

I find that not only do many vendors do not operate with the sort of care that I exercised even back in 2005-2006,but OPSEC is definitely not what it was like when I was vending and the systems far less elaborate. I'm not talking e-gold elaborate but I mean we did a lot of legwork, a lot of ways to ascertain the identity of our purchasers (yes, at least I checked everything, addresses, whether the person actually exists, whether the information matched, it took a lot of trust but it was a different time), and we did a lot of disguise our origins, a lot of work. The profit margin was huge though, so it was worth it.

Also, you can't vend forever. I stopped when I graduated and now I have an advanced degree elsewhere. I kind of did one exit scam - I spent out one last order I screwed up writing his address. I usually always reshipped but this time, nope. Guy only lost $120 though.


[3 Points] throwaway764352:

You sound intellectually curious. Save up money, apply to grad school. Math, science, business, economics (e.g.: of bitcoin), whatever you're most interested in. The savings will make the ride a lot more pleasant and you will have legit, interesting options when you finish.


[2 Points] SecondChanceUsername:

If you got the computer skills and you have the prior vending experience, maybe consider starting your own market. Theres lots to do with the skills you have acquired.


[2 Points] UhFreeTheGang:

I didnt really look at all the comments but ill give my view on things quickly - I apologize if I repeated anything anyone said.

First the entire mission of selling dope should street level or on the internet should be to make some kind of amount of money to give yourself a means to a end. Hustling for money you cant put toward a business or some kind of a investment is really pointless. Why take penitentiary chances for no real reason?

When you started this you should have had some kind of master goal in mind, if you dont you need to figure it out now.

With this said you also need to be doing 1 of 2 things...You need to be working a job or going toward a million dollars...Cause if you arnt chasing the million you need to be working so you can establish your personal life. The older you get and the less job experience you have the farther and farther away you get away from ever having a decent job. And if thats ok then you need to be hustling toward the million and some kind of business investment.


[2 Points] FreeTradeCocaine:

applying some fundament financial analysis on what I call “My Project” and I’ll tell you. Something very interesting happens when start making cash flow statements, inventory analysis, competitive market pricing, spread, coin price, realized profit, sourcing, product testing, money management, corporate financials and taxes, etc… You realize this is a really really raw business.

Would you mind elaborating on this..


[1 Points] WarmNights:

Its not really recommended to treat black market professions identically to legit professions...


[1 Points] None:

Become a teacher and mold some young guys brother. Pass on your smarts to the next generation. Hopefully you saved some cash though cause 55k a year is a little skimpy


[1 Points] sillysally11:

I think it's funny someone who could manage to finish a math degree needs our opinions on what to do with their life.

If I were done my math degree, I wouldn't even be dreaming of vending, get a nice job man. Did you not finish with good grades? Maths graduates can find work in many fields, look into that man.


[1 Points] Hank_Vendor:

Smells like Bacon in this bitch


[1 Points] None:

I highly doubt a large vendor would be asking for this kind of information on a public forum, have you tried contacting some other vendors directly?

You're asking what to do next, no one can answer that for you...

Do what you want to do.


[1 Points] VendorProblems:

Wow. I stepped out for lunch and came back to a few good idea and a few good points to make. This will probably be the last time I log into this account, for obvious reasons. So I’ll try and give everyone something to ponder over and respond to.

Lets play a game.? The game is let me worry about my own OPSEC and you can worry about yours. Who says I’m really male or unemployed. The spectrum is wide and unless I am actively targeted by NSA I could be your brother, or sister. A cousin, maybe a close friend. I could be you. I assure you that if I was to go out on a limb and post something like this. I think I would be sure to ~try~ my best not to have a Reddit post be the reason my door gets kicked down and I get SWAT’d. Having said that much in addition to a reasonable knowledge of AWS services I can say I know what I’m doing. In the event that does happen I assure you that I’ll be in the news. Nuff said.


[0 Points] free-agent:

The world is not what it seems and you should always do what you feel you should do. The answer is always inside of you.


[0 Points] AllJoociedUP:

Um get some technical training maybe in something with big data since Math is your thing. Maybe a database language or similar. Stack your cash, buy as much gold as you can and save as much as you can and leave vending.

You don't wanna look over your shoulder all the time, and I assume it would be hard to vend with a family. Good Luck dude.


[-1 Points] bobbiggs69:

Very good post. Because I know you're not alone in that you aren't the typical drug dealer type doing it out of necessity. I know lots of DNM vendors are educated and have a clean record. I wondered how vendors handled these things. You figure, since there are so many educated vendors, they would think of these kinds of things.


[-12 Points] Vendor_BBMC:

You're not a vendor. All you've talked about are irrelevant things, except "sourcing". Like you are going to pay tax!

You haven't mentioned the drugs or where they come from, which is the important part. You won't make hundreds of thousands of dollars, and there is only one type of vendor who thinks "money", "exit strategy", without thinking "product".Where are your drugs going to come from? The darknet?

I only know one person in real-life with a maths degree. He's kind of a geek, and sufferes from asperger's syndrome. He finds it difficult to guage other people's emotions, read-between-the-lines, or infer anything

He loves computers though (he virtually lived in the server room of the last company I worked for as an IT contractor, and was the only other person to talk to on night shifts). I don't think he uses Tor because he knows nothing about drugs, and if he did, he would probably throw away its security by sticking an unnecessary VPN in front of it because he over complicates everything. He's not streetwise enough to be able to source drugs, and if he tried to import them by buying them on the darknet, he would get scammed for certain

I'm in my late 40s, so its different for me. I've probably only got another 40 years, tops, before I have to hire somebody younger to post the orders for me. I have no exit strategy. This is my job. The Rolling Stones never thought they'd still be touring in their 70s, but it was inevitable if you think about it. I'm betting that darknet markets aren't a fad, but will become the main source of drug supply. I'm not going to exit scam, because a trustworthy name will be infinitely more valuable in 10 years time than a few stolen bitcoin.

I only recommend being a vendor if you are a user with knowledge of a particular drug, and if you have a good drug source. You can't just become a vendor if you don't have anything to sell, because the darknet doesn't owe you a living. Even if you are smart. We've all got degrees here.

I can see your problem, though. A maths degree doesn't have many direct job opportunities, except maybe teaching mathematics. Being a darknet vendor is better than being unemployed, people will always take drugs whether you sell them or not, and at least you're not a burden on the taxpayer.

Just tell future employers that you were a currency or commodities trader, because bitcoin can be either.


[-11 Points] None:

No one has any future. I don't know what country you are in, but look around you. The fabric of society in the US is coming apart....