CD's and search warrants, can someone help clear things up?

Hi there, The last couple of weeks I've noticed all of the packages (clearnet as well) coming to my house have either had a slight crease on the same fold of the box or a small hole poked through. I realize it's very easy for these things to happen normally, but they seem to be similar with each parcel. Maybe they haven't seized any of them because they want to go after the bigger vendors and use my mail to gather return addresses? I don't know, but it worries me.

My question is in the event law enforcement comes knocking or I recieve a CD (I have something in the mail right now..), as I won't be answering the door, is it possible for them to invite themselves in without a warrant, just on probable cause or something like that?

Or would they be required to leave and show up later with one? Would they wait at my house while an officer goes to file for one?

I'm sorry if these sound like noob questions, I've read many of the posts on this sub about controlled deliveries, but I'm still finding myself a little confused on how the law works in these events.

I'm also asking because, if they show up at my door, I want to know if I'd have a chance to clean house. I don't have very much, just a couple bongs, vapes and general cannabis paraphenalia. I have some solid places I can stash them off my property, although it seems like a hassle if I'm only being paranoid. In the end I just tell myself, an oz of prevention is worth a lb of cure.

I've had many packages come through just fine,(Albeit a few with low stealth) but does that give them the right to say I've knowingly accepted these packages if they've been peeking in my mail?


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[3 Points] Theeconomist1:

I'll do my best to answer your questions. I'm not a CD expert by any means.

Maybe they haven't seized any of them because they want to go after the bigger vendors and use my mail to gather return addresses? I don't know, but it worries me.

So I'm kind of assuming you are saying that you are a vendor yourself? Reason I ask is b/c this could influence how much effort LE puts into investigating you. Obviously, a vendor will get more attention than a personal buyer, everything else being equal. If a pack was uncovered for a personal buyer, I'd think they'd act on it in some manner, catch you in possession, that sort of thing. For some distributing, they may try to build a case perhaps.

is it possible for them to invite themselves in without a warrant, just on probable cause or something like that?

You don't say where you are located. I'll assume the US and my answers will be US centric. LE needs a warrant to enter your home or be invited in by the person residing in the home. Now, what I'm not sure if say you open the door and they see something illegal (like a bong sitting on your foyer table), they may be able to enter the home b/c they ahve probable cause (this is a guess, I'm not a lawyer so not positive).

Or would they be required to leave and show up later with one? Would they wait at my house while an officer goes to file for one?

THey would almost certainly show up with a warrant IF they were able to secure one. They won't want to give you a warning! If they are doing a knock and talk, this more than likely means they didn't ahve sufficient evidence to secure a warrant. In a CD scenario, they'll have a warrant when they deliver the pack. Now the warrant might be conditional that you take possession of the pack.

Or would they be required to leave and show up later with one? Would they wait at my house while an officer goes to file for one?

Like I said before, if they show up they'll have a warrant unless they couldn't secure one. If they couldn't secure one, they might do a knock and talk but unless you speak or give them something additional, I don't think they'd be able to get a warrant (b/c they couldn't get one in the first place in this scenario). Like I said, a warrant could be conditional based on acceptance of a pack. If you don't accept, not sure if they can do much except hang aroung watching to see if you take possession. On the off chance they did a knock and talk and you gave them additional info to successfully secure a warrant, then yes, an officer will stay behind while a warrant is secured. I've seen this happen before (nothing DNM related at all). Cops came, guy claimed diplomatic immunity, one cop left to get warrant, 30-45 minutes later cop comes back with warrant, door kicked in. The other cops hung around outside.

I'm also asking because, if they show up at my door, I want to know if I'd have a chance to clean house.

I would not rely on being able to clean house in this scenario at all. You need to just clean house since you are worried. Why leave anything esp if you can stash it elsewhere?

So, on your suspicions, it is odd that EVERY package has holes or creases. Doesn't necessarily mean you are being watched but that is strange if you are takling about a lot of packs. Now if by "every pack" and you only get 2 or so packs, then that's probably just a coincidence. I've had packs show up damaged/torn before. It freaked me out. But not every pack comes like that. But do keep in mind that mail is often tossed around a shitload. It could be that your particular post office or mail main just handles mail in a shitty/careless manner. How do the holes look? That seems more suspicious than the creases IMO.

Anyway, I'm not a lawyer and not an expert on CDs, but just my thoughts on your situation. If I think of anything else I'll post back. one last point I'll make is that there isn't anything formulaic to a CD. Different agencies may handle it differently. I'd consider each situation unique and a CD can go down in a number of different ways.


[1 Points] mindfulmu:

Theeconomist1 covered nearly everything, I'll add this. If the eye of sauron falls on you, you're fucked. The cops sometimes will pull a douchebag move, "officer Johnson, did you just hear a woman in distress?"
""Officer Perkins I think I do hear an extenuating circumstance" loud knock followed by breaking down the door then if anything is in plain site you are fucked.

My suggestion, buy a safe, keep your amounts low, practice good tradecraft while ordering, and hope for the best.