Apples letter for Customers discussing encryption

Thought you guys would find this interesting. I think it's amazing to see such a big corporation like Apple standing up to the government to protect peoples rights, and I honesty hope to see it happen more often! Also a big FUCK YOU to the FBI & the entire government as a whole.

The United States government has demanded that Apple take an unprecedented step which threatens the security of our customers. We oppose this order, which has implications far beyond the legal case at hand. This moment calls for public discussion, and we want our customers and people around the country to understand what is at stake.

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[33 Points] darktriaddd:

Sometimes, sometimes good things happen when corporations become big enough to be able to tell the government to fuck off.


[19 Points] saokk:

wow, fuck the government.


[11 Points] trash6666:

Read the entire message from apple, and made me glad I was reading it from an iphone..


[6 Points] user2121:

Props to apple


[7 Points] dnmthrowawayfoe:

It's a sacrilege that America calls itself a democratic country.


[5 Points] Devoid_:

If I was Tim cook I would threaten to relocate my company to Russia or even Canada for fuck sakes and let uncle Sam not get a penny of that sweet sweet tax revenue from the world's second largest corporation and an American icon


[4 Points] None:

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[5 Points] FrozenMCVegetableCok:

IMO, this case is being used to set a dangerous precedent and the judge was outright lied to by the FBI in regards to the recoverability of the information on the phone.

1) the NSA could break the crypto but won't in spite of being ordered to share information and resources when the DHS was set up. They won't even give the FBI compute time on their clusters.

2) they could remove the flash chips from the god damn phone and recover the raw data and run it in a duplicated environment to run brute force attempts against without the original phone's OS being used or having the opportunity to delete its data.

3) if they let the phone run out of battery and it shut off, then that's just negligent as they could have dumped the encryption keys themselves from the phones RAM and they are well aware of this

This is just another attempt to have something established in law and using an untruth to do so. Something very similar was done to establish the legal ability of the government to withhold information from the public by slapping a "classified" on anything they wish even if it shouldn't be covered by the same regulations as truly secret materials.


[2 Points] mtspirate:

This is bad.


[2 Points] Dnm_cunt:

From what I have read into, the government want Apple to supply them with 'a software update' that will allow them to remove the security feature that prevents you from typing in lots of combinations over and over. At the moment you cannot try bruteforcing the pin as it locks you out of the phone for longer and longer of periods of time, and can also be set to erase the phone after 10 failed attempts.

Bruteforcing a 4 digit pin would take literally seconds if they can remove these features.

I'm not sure how much this affects the ecryption debate as it would be modifying the software to allow bruteforcing of the password. This is not breaking the encryption, or adding any kind of back door to it. It is of course a very dangerous thing for the government to have but Apple will never allow it.

Even if they did do what I have described for the FBI then Apple could implement new security on their devices with a software update and everyone should consider anything below iOS X.X insecure.


[1 Points] Dnm_cunt:

Why don't Apple just say "Give us the phone and we'll decrypt it for you". Fuck handing over software to the FBI that does it for them.


[1 Points] lordredvampire:

FBI is obviously not our friend. Pft... I am so fucking happy FBI and the rest of the LE agencies are having a fucking hard time cracking encrypted messages next to impossible. GOOD! Encryption = defender of basic human rights. SUCK THIS GOVT!

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[1 Points] cgtruski:

Everyone knows the US is using this as an emotional wedge issue. They already have the Metadata so they know who they contacted etc. They say they want the backdoor so they can find out who they were talking to, but they already know. This is just a step so that the FBI can slowly attack encryption in an insidious fashion.


[1 Points] cgtruski:

Everyone knows the US is using this as an emotional wedge issue. They already have the Metadata so they know who they contacted etc. They say they want the backdoor so they can find out who they were talking to, but they already know. This is just a step so that the FBI can slowly attack encryption in an insidious fashion.


[0 Points] sapiophile:

Note that this is precisely the kind of press storm that would be very deliberately produced for a system that was cooperating with the government.

A SIGINT/COMINT capability is useless as soon as it's known to the public. The most important thing for a state-level surveillance agency to do is to convince their targets that certain faulty "security" methods are secure, when they really aren't. Billions of dollars have been invested in such efforts in the past.

This is doubly, triply, xxxly more so the case since Snowden. Now people actually want surveillance resistance, and so the surveillors must play into that even harder.

While I'm not necessarily saying that that's what's going on, here, we would all do well to keep it in mind. Apple is an enormous corporation chartered in the U.S., with many government contracts. They have an enormous amount to lose by actually pissing off the feds. And quite a bit to gain by pretending to piss off the feds.

For more information about how far a state will go to protect its SIGINT/COMINT capabilities, I recommend the novel "The Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson.


[0 Points] lordredvampire:

If anyone or any LE agenc(ies) can crack this message:

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If not, then well... that explains a lot. FBI and US Govt: you're not ready for New World Order. Nope. Pft... you government are pathetically weak. DEA.. you're a joke, a weakling. FBI.. bitch please.. quantico? Bitch.. please. NSA? You're too politically corrupted to even pay attention to this trivial matter. Yes, encryption is a basic human right! SUCK.. MY.. FUCKING.. DICK.. MUDDAFUCKA!


[-2 Points] HuffPoser:

I don't believe this for a minute. Apple could give two shits about your privacy. The ONLY thing they care about is the Stock number. There is a back door, they don't have to rewrite ios. They are all lying to us. Don't be a fool.