Would you feel comfortable using BTC attached to your real info for DNM purchases?

I have been reading for a week straight, using TOR, Tails, PGP and am very comfortable with everything so far but I have been getting mixed reviews about tumbling/mixing. Some say that you can always tie the coins back through a block chain, some say that the chain will be broken at the tumbler exit.

My question is simple, would you feel comfortable using ANY route with BTC that are in a REAL account attached to your information for small DNM purchases that are not "above board"?

For example : Is Wallet>Helix Light>Market sufficient?

I've read posts about moving into Cryptsy and purchasing cryptocurrencies but I don't want to go down that road.


Comments


[3 Points] None:

Yeah I get pretty paranoid but I have gone straight from CoinBase to my DNM of Choice for small personal stuff and never had any issue. The biggest thing that will trip you up is shitty stealth. One time I got some cid that you could just hold up and see through the envelope and was pissed. Everything else has been smooth and on point!


[2 Points] PerpetualPlusFour:

I've never heard anyone say that tumbling doesn't work. It might not be absolutely foolproof - if investigators already suspect you, and see that you sent Bitcoins bought in your name to a tumbler right before a similar amount was used to place an order that delivered to your address, then the tumbler probably doesn't do you a whole lot of good. That said, if investigators decided to just start tracing known DNM transactions up the blockchain to fish for suspects, they would get to the tumbler and have no way (at least, not through the Bitcoin protocol itself) to figure out which user those coins were sent on behalf of.

When you use a tumbler, the coins you spend are not the same coins you put in. Those new coins could be traced up the blockchain, sure, but that trace would not lead to you. The only place where records could exist directly linking those new coins to your identity would be the internal records of the tumbler service itself, if they stored more than they should about which incoming coins were associated with which outgoing coins. However, your identity could still be linked to using a tumbler service, which is not evidence of any particular wrongdoing but is pretty obviously suspicious.

The debate I've heard frequently is about whether a tumbler service is at all necessary for small time buyers, or if it's a waste of money due to being way overkill opsec for the circumstances. I'm not aware of any actual cases where someone was identified and charged by tracing the origins of Bitcoins they spent to buy drugs. The kind of high tech forensics expertise that would be required to do that is in short supply and extremely high demand for more important investigations. There are many much cheaper and easier ways to find some more recreational drug users to arrest.

I've used tumblers before, but not consistently. The last time I heard about one of the major 'reputable' tumblers apparently scamming people, I decided to stop using them. Unless you're a bulk vendor, involved in a high profile organized crime ring, or for some other reason are a very appealing target to LE, using a tumbler is less a matter of "not doing this poses a serious risk of sending you to jail" and more a matter of "not doing this means evidence that could link your identity to drug purchases will theoretically be out there indefinitely and there's nothing you can do to erase it."


[2 Points] OrdinaryToaster:

If you want you can use regular Helix and use the delay feature. It will delay your Helix so it is harder to trace.


[2 Points] sobulbous:

The traditional mixers (not Helix as I believe it uses freshly mined coins) truly want small time users to hop on the bandwagon because if they don't the big users like vendors, admins, etc would be just putting their coins into a pot and just changing the outputs and sending them somewhere else.

Your legally acquired bitcoins (A) are going to illegal site wallet (B) and vendors/admins are going from illegal site wallet (B) to hopefully legal wallet to cash out or store (A). They need you to complete the cycle and obfuscate them not the other way around.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.


[1 Points] LetsEatMolly:

For the 3.5g of MDMA that I am ordering I am not worried at all.

Some ppl will bash me but i dont even mix. I am too small of fish.

LE wants the vendor, not you.

Mixing only helps in a situation where you are facing charges and the only evidence LE has is the BTC link


[1 Points] samwhiskey:

I have never tumbled and I go straight from circle to dnm. Used to use coinbase like that.


[1 Points] shadowofashadow:

Question. Luckily there is a bitcoin ATM near me. If I create a paper wallet in tails and then bring that to the ATM and pay in cash I'm pretty safe at that point right? I can send the cash right from the paper address to the DNM without tumbling.

I'm not going through an exchange so the only thing tying me to that address and those coins would be the visit to the atm?