CanadianForger sent me Hydromorphone as heroin

He's a scammer.


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[7 Points] None:

you're saying that CF sources hydromorphone pills (which are uncommon and go for $3 or more /mg typically), crushes them up, and sells as heroin (which is very common and goes for like $0.2/mg)? think about the economics of that situation for a second. if you said it was cut with fent I'd have believed you wholeheartedly. but hydromorphone? not so much.

I'm also incredibly skeptical of people who hold off on messaging the vendor because they 'dont want anything', yet end up posting a play-by-play of the entire incident on reddit, where the vendor likely won't see it or be able to reply. if a vendor sends me shit product, he's gonna hear about it within minutes of me realizing. I don't ask for a refund, or compensation, or whatever...I just lay it out there. the gear's bad, I don't want bad gear, so guess thats the end of any business between us. it's like the DNM equivalent of a divorce.

anyway, here's what I think happened. you ordered 200mg of dope (the people who have issues always seem to be <1g quantities, its the darndest thing). you're a fiend, and now you're dopesick, so you manafactured this story in an attempt fineggle some additional wellness out of CF. yay/nay?


[2 Points] Theeconomist1:

Keep this in mind: drug testing is very complex. You need to know what you are looking at. Did the doctor show you the "raw" results or the interpreted results? A little primer. Drug tests do NOT test the drug itself necessarily. They test the metabolites. If you or your doctor doesn't understand how to interpret a GC/MS test it can be problematic. And not all doctors can do this. Pain docs should be able to. A GP might not.

I'm a norco user. If I were to take a urine screen I will test positive for hydromorphone. Norco is metabolized into many thing including hydromorphone. If I looked at the raw results I will show positive for hydromorphone and hydrocodone. It doesn't mean I took hydromorphone. It's not an exact science but someone will look at the ratio between hydromorphone and hydrocodone in my test and based on the ratio will analyze it. Hydromorphone is a minor metabolite so if there is too much hydromorphone in relation to hydrocodone they'll conclude I took both. If it's a small amount of hydromorphone to hydrocodone they'll mark me as norco and not hydromorphone. But the raw results WILL show both drugs if I am a norco user.

Heroin metabolizes into morphine. Street heroin often contains acetylcodeine. The norcodeine you saw is a metabolite of codeine. See what I'm saying? A heroin user would probably have morphine along with codeines metabolites in their drug screen.

It's important that you understand what your doctor is telling you and how he is interpreting it. Do not look at the raw results. You need an interpretation of those results. Many doctors don't understand how to read a urine screen properly. Specialists should. So depending what type of Doctor he is might help determine that. Urinalysis is actually not as simple as you may think. Just something to consider.

Oh and hydromorphone is a minor metabolite of morphine. A heroin user should have all of those metabolites in their system. So while it could be each of those drugs individually it is also indicative of heroin use. A heroin user will show positives on everything you listed. So how do u know if someone took heroin vs each of those pills individually. Look at the ratios of each compound. Those rations will tell the medical professional if u used heroin or each of those pills individually. The test needs to be interpreted!

This is just a guess but I am guessing you were shown the raw results. Norcodeine is a metabolite. They usually wouldn't say you tested positive for that if the results were interpreted. They'd say codeine. Or heroin or whatever. So I bet you are looking at the raw results and someone well versed in this area did not interpret the test. Ask your doctor about this.

Edit: please note that I'm not saying you're right or wrong. I'm just putting the test you got into context. I think you should follow up with the doctor and ask him about the metabolites of these drugs and if you could get the actual judgement call from the lab technician. Esp if your doctor is not a pain doctor or well versed enough in reading these results. You'd be surprised how docs can fuck up the interpretation of these tests.


[1 Points] sillysally11:

I'm very sorry for the format, I had to paste it into a notepad and it ended up looking like this.


[1 Points] redditulousfun:

Wall of txt wall of txt bro carnegie corner ;)


[1 Points] None:

Sure he didn't sell you a few points of that "BBMC Dexys"?


[1 Points] maydeinKanada:

A question ... why did it take you so long to come here or anywhere for that matter to let people know that possibly / maybe one of the Top 5 H vendors was cutting his product with other opis? You say that you're only concern is other people not getting scammed, but you said it took you "about" a month before you told anyone? I get the wanting to do a piss test and "confirm" it , but you still haven't "confirmed" anything. All speculation still. And in that month how many people you think have made an order? Lots I'd say. Anyways, I''ll take it with a grain of salt, thanks for the heads up.


[1 Points] need4speeds:

Methadone is such a weird drug. I haven't taken it for years but back when I did go to the clinic, it was stronger at blocking other opiates than Suboxone. After I would dose my methadone, I couldn't feel other opiates at all for at least 48 hours. I know it's not the case for everyone but it certainly was for me. As I understand it Methadone has a pretty high affinity for opiate receptors, not unlike Suboxone and can lower or completely block the effects of other opioids. I know you said you've gotten high while taking Methadone before but that doesn't mean your body and brain don't change as you get older. As others have already mentioned, without being about to look at the lab report for your urine sample, listening to a doctor who's not proficient at understanding urinalysis and gc/ms is probably not the smartest idea. Opiates and opioids are weird, and many of them break down into others after ingestion and will show differing things depending on a number of different variables when tested for. If all the other reviews for the dope are good, my best guess is that your methadone treatment blocked a lot of the euphoria of the dope and your doc has no idea how to read gc/ms results from the lab. I know that's not what you're going to believe or want to hear, but it's likely the truth.


[1 Points] SirDolo93:

I read this whole thing, and I just want to add my 2 cents.

I very much doubt CF sells 100% pure Heroin, and this actually goes for anybody selling heroin. You fail to give CF any benefit of the doubt, which he honestly does deserve. Hes not the one making the stuff, hes importing it.

Your first thought was he gave you fentynal, and the response CF gave to you was perfectly valid, it was stated that CF does not sell Fentyanl or anything related to that, as they actively test their product.

Now how much I trust the "experienced testing" part of CF statement might be a bit overexaggerated, I don't know there testing methods, but it could have been something simple to distinguish between opiates and non opiates, if this was the case, hydros, and heroin would both pass their test, as neither would test postitve for an non-opiate, because both drugs are actually opiates.

Im not sure if they do additional tests to distinguish between different opiates, but if they did, and I hope they do, their tests might have been giving false positives, because of the similarities chemically wise of diamorphine, and hrdyomorphone. There are reagents that can distinguish these 2 types of substances, but their are also reagents that don't. Or they might be importing a mixture of diamorphine, and hyrdromorphan with a ratio that would yield a positive reagent test for diamorphine.

You have to look at this with a different perspective, They are importing their product, CF could be in the same shoes as you, but worse because they haven't detected the cut. This could easily be the case, I doubt CF gets high on his own supply so unlike you, he wouldn't be able to tell right away that what he got was not heroin. He might just go by what his tests show, and if it passes, it gets listed.


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] Sexwithhorses:

While the latest batch was substandard from normal and caused a strange histamine reaction for me, it reagent tested properly and felt like H. Idk, I do think it's H at least and what you're proposing doesn't sound particularly viable as far as it being hydromorph or something.


[-1 Points] ElectronicChronic:

Bro, lets be honest. You do not use heroin because you have anxiety, you use it because you're an addict, and because of your addiction you get anxiety when you are not on heroin...

edit: It's amazing how delusional some of you are when it comes to justifying your drug use.. It's sad to be honest.