This is all a bad idea

Not the DNM but this reddit. All this relies on the mail, and sites like this, that put everything in handy little how-tos make it too accessible. It's getting too big, too much attention. subs like this is what's going to bring the hammer down on DNM and mailing drugs in general.

What could they do you say?

How about dogs in every post office?

How about software algorithms that start flagging more mail for inspection? Tech is there, all they need is a reason to develop and deploy. Your giving it to them.

How about Feds, in an attempt to set an example and poison the markets, setting up shop as vendors and sending LEOs instead of your order. No need for a CD when they have all your communications.

There's lots they can do. It's getting too big and you guys are making it too hot. This should all go underground. Onion sites at least. spread it more by word-of-mouth, buddy to buddy.

When congress and the AG are starting to pay public attention, it's time to back off a bit.

EDIT: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/04/03/senators-holder-appalled-by-shocking-amount-of-drugs-sent-through-mail

It's getting to popular


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[21 Points] None:

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[13 Points] hugsfordrugs:

  1. How about dogs in every post office? Lots of money, not really feasible, not a realistic step to take.

  2. Algorithms that flag more mail for inspection? What the fuck? I don't think I'm understanding what you're saying. Basically just tighter inspection? Well unless they open the shit, which is completely illegal, that doesn't matter.

  3. Vending LEOs? This has been a question from the beginning, and there have been vendors who got nabbed that were turned into agents for LE. In the end though, the reality is that LE doesn't give a shit about buyers and even most vendors. They have bigger fish to fry. But to answer your question, yes that is possible.

I understand your concerns and it does worry me that there is a big percentage of DNM users that are so stupid they couldn't find their own asshole if you gave them a map and let them use both hands, but that's on them. As stupid as they are, the overwhelming majority of them will never see any repercussions from stupid practices like not utilizing PGP.


[10 Points] usonazty:

i see some posts that have badges beside them like "vendor complaint" or "review" or something like that. we need a "tin foil hat" one for posts of this nature.

reserved for people posting on topics they know nothing about but still feel like spouting off utter bullshit like fact.


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[5 Points] swancchler:

How about dogs in every post office?

Too inefficient, and sniffer dogs aren't the best at finding random packages.

How about software algorithms that start flagging more mail for inspection? Tech is there, all they need is a reason to develop and deploy

Again, too inefficient, it would flag a lot of safe packages, and i'm not sure how something like this would work.

How about Feds, in an attempt to set an example and poison the markets, setting up shop as vendors and sending LEOs instead of your order.

Using vendor reviews, how many deals they've made, how many deals the reviewers have made, how the comments are typed you could easily call this out as fake.

And there will always be a ways around LE, new safer systems that are harder to break.


[5 Points] theshadowfax:

I do agree it's getting too hot. SR flew under the radar for a good while until people started talking, kids started ordering, the news flipped a shit and someone's head had to roll. It didn't help that Ross put himself in the spotlight doing interviews and shit.

Now that SR is gone you'd think people would stick their heads in the sand a bit, but here we are on a clearnet reddit with convenient links and vendor reviews and all kinds of shit that could be used as a data treasure trove.


[4 Points] DNMBoomers:

The post office is already losing billions of dollars a year so as far as them spending any more money on anything like dogs in every post office or more mail inspections I just don't see it happening.

Feds setting up as vendors? Most buyers are buying such small quantities that even if they did do that and even if they caught you with the drugs the punishment would be so small that it wouldn't even be worth it to them. Plus, I'm guessing that something like that could be considered entrapment, especially if you got caught and got a good lawyer.


[3 Points] None:

Holder's job is to be "shocked" by things like drugs in the mail.

The world changes all the time. I am not really a libertarian type but I do believe very much that humans will push toward freedoms and abilities they genuinely want. I do see the use DNM as a political stance far more than I see it as a means to get something I might want. This side of the "war on drugs" doesn't only fight defense, you know.

Everything that has ever been taken was done so by overpowering. Not violence or force, mind you. The evolution of DNM is an organic happening, created by the fact a lot of people want it to exist. Enough people to have created it to become a (currently) unstoppable force. Not ufightable - and it takes its punches - but like /u/gwern has called it, "like a game of whack-a-mole," where something else pops up right when you punch something else down. It will also eventually give way to something else based on market pressures and the evolution of what people desire.

So take a deep breath. You think this is something new, maybe? Ok, let the breath out. It is new and alarming to everyone at one point. But spend some time considering more than the immediate. Breathe normally now and think about the big picture. No, not that one. The HUGE picture - spanning decades and centuries, not summer break. This is just how things work. Nobody here is going to create a tipping point to bury anything, I swear.


[2 Points] EssaysForBitcoins:

Here's why the feds wouldn't be able to set up shop with a vendor:

1) Even if someone put down their address, there's no way to tie the address back to the person ordering. In other words, a person would always have plausible deniability. The people who log into the website use tor, which means that they can't be traced. There's no way to prove that a given person ordered a given product.

However, the feds do (for high level buyers) use controlled deliveries. DO NOT sign for any packages, unless they're expected.


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[1 Points] throwawayaccountgay:

I completely agree. Popularity never ends well for illegal things. Sadly most people here are ignorant and will turn completely against since since you are basically insulting them.