Wall of Shame/Bulletin of Bullshit

The Wall of Shame

Any marketplace on this list should not be used.

If a marketplace is on this list they did at least one of the following:

1) Scammed users by shutting down the site and taking user's funds.

2) Practiced improper security and put their users and themselves at risk.

3) Blatantly lied to users in a way which could put them at risk.

4) Got hacked and were unable to recover.

So now TMP? Is this a joke? I've read both threads in support of this decision and I don't buy it for a second.

One is a complaint from a vendor who'se orders were canceled before he could mark them as shipped. Every darknetmarket experiences some form of downtime and last I checked, TMP has much better uptime than all it's competitors but one. How can you justify adding TMP to the Wall of Shame for something that amounts to no more than a bug at worst. It could be argued easily that this wasn't even a bug. The issue could have been avoided entirely if the vendor was more prudent about marking orders as being shipped. There's nothing TMP could do in this situation except prevent it from happening again. Can you blame them for being "unresponsive" when there's nothing else to say? No. Does this fit ANY of the criteria for the Wall of Shame? No.

The second complaint is a user having trouble claiming a refund. Just as the previous case, the user claims that support is unresponsive. However, not only does support respond, it's documented in the same exact reddit thread that Schultz fixed this problem over a month ago and made a proactive effort to help users claim their refunds before they made any complaints. Clearly this also does not satisfy any of the criteria for the Wall of Shame, yet there it is.

By now one could think ok, I think HUGS is dead wrong, but I'm biased too, and everyone's entitled to their opinion. As long as they're consistent we still have a decent gauge of which markets to avoid, right? WRONG. What about Silk Road 2? The site that had millions of dollars worth of bitcoin stolen right out of their own coffers. Instant Wall of Shame, right? Wrong. In fact SR2 didn't get so much as a warning here at /r/DarkNetNarkets until many months after the fact. Dispite many users publicly complaining about it, I recall none of them got any better than litterally a, "why do you care?" in response. Isn't it obvious? The Wall of Shame was a credible source of information at one point. Now it's no longer consistent. It's no longer credible.

I don't mean to defend Schultz going awol, but that is nothing to blacklist his market over. Especially when that is exactly the kind of problem he designed the site to work around from the very beginning. Owners and administrators going MIA is a hazard at any of these marketplaces. TMP has just proven something it needed to prove: its own concept of a functional marketplace on autopilot. TMP, with its superior multi-sig escrow, is still the safest darknet market there is.


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[7 Points] None:

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[2 Points] blackhairnet:

Agree with OP. TMP did not cross any of the criteria for wall of shame:

If a marketplace is on this list they did at least one of the following:

1) Scammed users by shutting down the site and taking user's funds.

2) Practiced improper security and put their users and themselves at risk.

3) Blatantly lied to users in a way which could put them at risk.

4) Got hacked and were unable to recover.

TMP's only knock is slow response to support requests and having a system that requires you to RTFM to access and utilize. Definitely not Wall of Shame worthy.

This looks more like a case of a /r/dnm mod with a hidden agenda.


[3 Points] pfhwheel:

I've promoted TMP from the start. i2p isn't any harder than tor, people just don't want to take the time to figure it out - I'm fine with them being the low-hanging fruit. i2p is the only market I know of that actually offers real multisig, and it's not fucking hard. You paste in your public key, paste in the transaction id, and you're done. I've used both electrum & bitcoin-qt to do it and never once had an issue, because I read the damn directions. Until someone sets up a market over i2p with syndie & p2sh multisig TMP is the best choice for a market.

That said, I don't think their electrum plugin works for shit. I was unable to get a refund because it told me I was using the wrong private key - I wasn't, and broadcasting the transaction manually worked. I think the big issue was the complete absence of support. That's not acceptable for a market.


[2 Points] pinkprincess1:

I missed the TMP drama so cant really comment on that but I do think silk road 2 needs to be on the wall of shame yeah.


[2 Points] 4yyteeguvfy:

Schultz has responded since this occurred and indicated support has already improved and will continue to improve from now on. Read it over at the TMP sub. Who knows but just FYI. I also agree with OP regarding this.


[2 Points] None:

Agree that TMP should NOT be on the list, it's a good functional market that in no way is scamming users, but I think what's preventing wider adoption is the fact that the majority of people are dumb as nails.


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[1 Points] gwern:

Previous: http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/293tqj/tmp_on_wall_of_shame_for_weak_sauce/


[1 Points] Diana9548:

Is someone out there willing to tutor a nooB? I'm following all the rules and suggestions I find. I'm brave, clean, reverent, trustworthy, etc.


[1 Points] throwdemboz:

Wanted to see if my vendor was running discount promos before I placed my usual order and saw the tmp was on wall o shame. Ive had good experiences with the multisig so wasnt planning on putting my funds in another site, but this has me wondering. I searched reddit for tmp scam/scammer but nothing just this thread. Looked at the warning but looks like a refund issue? Anybody order on tmp recently can say if its safe? Was it hacked?