no logs VPN = lie ?

I started looking at using any of the recommended VPN services. Every single VPN provider states in their terms of services things like:

Violations of system or network security are prohibited, and may result in criminal and civil liability.

The use of peer-2-peer networks (P2P) such as Bit Torrent is permitted. It is the user's responsibility to not engage in illegal activity. Doing so will result in account termination with no refund.

Hacking, cracking, distribution of viruses, fraudulent activities, network sabotage, pyramid schemes, spaming, harvesting, phishing, and/or any conduct deemed illegal or unwanted shall be subject to suspension or termination.

Federal child exploitation statutes set forth the illegality of possession, production, reception, transport, or distribution of any sexually explicit depiction of children. Any user found to commit this type of abuse will have service suspended immediately.

If they had not logs, how could they tell what user is violating the service? For the previous statements, it looks like they are logging IPs and also doing active man-in-the-middle to users traffic. Otherwise, how could they tell if illegal activity is happening and by what user? Any thoughts?


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[5 Points] braindeadjunkie:

That's just for the lawyers, basically taking any liability of the crimes you committed.


[3 Points] acasualdnmuser:

Check out nordvpn

Edit: they all say that just to cover their ass if they ever get sued

Edit: I hear mullvad is good too


[2 Points] PatrolX:

Think about it, very few people will go to prison for you.

If law enforcement turns up and asks them to co-operate (turn on logging / hand over logs), most people will, and you won't know a thing about it until your door is kicked in.

People run VPN's for profit, not for jail time.

90% of SSL VPNs are ‘hopelessly insecure’, say researchers

Anyone who tells you a VPN is secure is saying it for money, because most aren't.


[1 Points] whatisopsec:

Laws vary by region. I believe that US has no data retention laws so many VPN services are based in US.


[0 Points] OPSECIST:

I recommend Cryptostorm


[1 Points] ParanoidAndroidDnm:

I use NordVPN which has been mentioned previously, however I don't, and won't use it for DNM activities. I use it to mitigate a nanny state I unfortunately live in but Tor was never designed to be used with a VPN, and considering most VPN's are either overly corporate (nord) or look entirely home-made (ovpn) it's hard to determine their actual security and practices.

I think everyone has agreed that a VPN is fine for browsing and adding some security (ie. SSL) to a entirely unsecured network, but they're certainly not silverbullet systems.


[1 Points] lordredvampire:

I can attest Cryptostorm and Mullvad. These VPN services DO NOT KEEP LOGS! I spoke with Cryptostorm admin via IRC.


[1 Points] Marsitlov:

this one https://whoer.net/vpn/ doesn't save logs


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] crushdudes:

Why would they need logs for any of that?

They can see the traffic while you're using it and flag you immediately.


[0 Points] wombat2combat:

you do not need a vpn for tails https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarketsNoobs/wiki/bible/buyer/tails#wiki_do_i_need_a_vpn.3F