[SR2][Agora][Evo][BSM]- Vendors take action against scamming users

Hi All,

Firstly just to get it out the way for those who will ask for an update the South African post office is still on strike. Once its over were launching a new strain and everyone that experienced Terrible delivery times will get to be our testers, I know its not much but its all we can do at the moment and its amazing bud(seriously).

Anyway im posting to all the vendors out there today. Im sure most of you guys have noticed a serious influx of scamming users, now I accept that dealing with this is all part and parcel of vending but I think we need to start looking at putting together some global information to help eachother out. Basically I get atleast one scammmer a day trying his/her luck for a refund/reship/loan and pretty much anything I might be willing to let go of. For all the customers reading this vendors deal with ALOT of messages, I myself atleast try to reply to all of them which can literally take an entire afternoon (Whole day if agora is slow) and take special care to look into all queries especially since alot of messages can get lost in translation to english, everytime one of these dickheads tries his luck I literaly log onto each and every market to check the history and then politely ask the said dickhead what username he ordered with and thats that- but this takes atleast 15-20 min of time away from my legit customers with serious enquiries.

When Cannabis Road shut down we had +-18 orders which were all shipped. In total I recieved over 60 refund/reship requests - only about 5 of which belonged to actual customers, the problem here is all vendors lost thier order history which meant I literally had to basically interogate all of them including my own customers to work out which were real! This alone makes me sick if you wanted a dealer to ask you 50 trick questions you may aswell score on the street. I love the fact that the Darknet has provided the opportunity to have an open and honest market place for both vendors and customers and there are alot of great people contributing to making this possible, but these guys literally threaten the entire relationship between vendor and client, I think there are way more scamming user accounts now than vendor accounts since they are free and customers (rightly so) are much more weary of supporting new vendors.There are hundreds of posts like is vendor xxx legit?, Atleast one person verifies me a month to prevent themselves from being scammed, there is even a vendor blacklist, but very few records of BS users, hot delivery addresses etc.

I get caught by them very rarley and for a small amount. Ealier I sent one of them 0.05Btc on agora since a quick search of the username against reddit yielded no results,I often take these gambles and they have brought me alot of business from the 1 in 5 that are seriously just short of being able to place a better order. It wont put me out of business but it pisses me off because they literally steal from real customers and other people that could really use it. 0.05BTC can feed a family of 5 in SA for two weeks. But worst of all they force me to assume that everyone of my happy stoned customers is scamming should something be a little off and sadly I have to initially handle them as such, Not only is this a shit way to handle the core of your business they cause your customers to question your motif / morals. This is an amazing anonomous world built on trust held together by the best judge of a persons character - thier word, but these wankers litterally go around sabbotaging the relationship.

A bit later I logged onto agoras forum and searched his name (adabdoesme) and was shocked saw that he has been a known scammer/hustler for months!!! How does this account still exist? I think we need a [customer complaint] tag along with a userblack list that all vendors can submit to and vote on to atleast try to combat it a little. There are also alot of reship scamers - customers who order with the intention of claiming it was not recieved and alot of these go unposted and are ignored by the vendor instead of becoming public knowledge to warn everyone.

Even though I do not keep info and am strictly against sharing personel info I wish someone still had his home address since some of the scammers were probably stupid enough to use the account to buy drugs. Everyone who recognised or was caught by the scammer could verify the accounts legitimacy and the markets users could have a go at burning a few of these bitches to make a example out them. All this scamming gives vendors a bad name and is really unfair on a few since had this dude been a vendor even a tiny shitty one and tried the same thing he would have been banned and burned on the stake on this forum but just because now they are scamming from customer accounts its ok to leave them?

Just wondering if anyone else thinks this isn't getting enough heat?

Sunny


Comments


[10 Points] hdheuud:

Rule #1: you cannot Doxx anyone ever. A list of addresses is exactly that


[6 Points] None:

While I sympathise, your final paragraph would change the culture of the markets. You'd have to keep addresses, at least for a little while, in case that customer turned scammer and if they did, share them around. You're effectively doxxing them... And that is never cool.

Scammers are shitty people, but it's the bigger picture that concerns me. Doxxing should never, ever be acceptable in any circumstances because over time, those boundaries will broaden and change. Gradually it will be considered fine to doxx because buyer did X or vendor did Y. If the culture makes it ok to doxx, shitty vendors will use it to their advantage. There are numerous reports of Bestman sending shitty product and then threatening people with their address when they complain. Your idea would give him the right to pass their address around to other vendors even though the buyer is absolutely in the right.

I also think it puts the buyers who aren't scamming at risk. I mean, it is just your opinion that you're being scammed. You cannot prove it. I'm not saying you're not right, you probably are but what about that one time when you get it wrong and the person is actually telling the truth? You're going to doxx and blacklist a buyer who didn't deserve it.

Unfortunately scamming comes with the territory for both vendors and buyers. As frustrating as it is, we all have to write it off as a loss and keep it moving.


[2 Points] al_eberia:

I hear some vendors keep the first 3 numbers of the zip/postal code, as it can't be linked to an individual, and if they have trouble just never ship to that area again.


[2 Points] None:

I'm glad to se that the first 2 comments are about the same concern that I had while reading this, giving even a slight place for DOxxing in this community will result in very large dammage over time for sure


[1 Points] None:

I don't know why my mind read this in a Nigerian accent even though you're from SA. Must have saw the "Africa" in your name first and just took of with it.


[1 Points] fun-gee:

I did not read the OP because TLDR but how about building a blacklist from the name of the city and the street.

No names or nicknames.

This is not a DOX, but still help vendors to flag the orders and investigate further (send it registered, ask for FE, look at buyer's order history)

Flagging can be done automatically with Excel's autoformat tool or similar.


[1 Points] SunnySouthAfrica:

Sorry I think some people misunderstood, I dont want to or support doxing the last comment is simply a vindictive thought not an intention. Its simpler than all this why isn't there just a list of market name and user name? This guy has been using 3 different accounts to scam for months and they are on the market forum as scammers, why isnt the account even shut down? If a customer has a misfortunate story how do I confirm that he hasnt pulled the same trick with multiple vendors? We lack the basics necessary to evaluate most users.


[1 Points] ANTISCAM-BluePrint:

Here I'll go ahead and help out with a way that does not compromise the buyers. First off Ive seen some vendors recommend that users place their address(es) in text files so that they're always correct and ready for encryption at the time of order. This is a good idea as a text file with your own address is hardly a red flag for LE on any computer. Even with that, it could be encrypted with their own key and decrypted when needed as to be one more step from just leaving some clear text in the open.

What vendors can do is take the addresses as they are recieve them, copy and paste them in a program. This program would strip useless information and return three checksums (CRC, MD5, and SHA1) and the zipcode as to lower the risk.NOTE: Personally, I do not know how safe including the zipcode is especially with vendors with less than 1000 transactions, but this can be handled well enough These checksums and zip codes can be accompanied by any comments the vendor has as well such as "Scammer", "Begs for shipping costs", or "Asks for reships every other the time". Plenty of other things can be included but this is just a skeleton.

The checksums, zipcodes, and comments are to be properly formatted by the program before it is encrypted with a pre-generated public key that is specific to that vendor and ADDITIONALLY specific to that transaction then signed by that vendor with using their own key.

This now seemingly useless message can be uploaded to a server that would decrypt it and display all sumbitted transactions by the checksums. Only vendors, which would be individually identified, can request zip codes and only with the approval of more than half of the active vendors that have dealt with matching check sum.

This system, in a way, makes doxxing look more appealing because scamming can become more apparent to vendors and they may want to be expose a scammer more than ever seeing how they've ran off with $5k and several other vendors are already fed up with their shit. This is why forums and subs would have to stay ever vigilant. Hopefully everyone (vendors, markets, forums, and ESPECIALLY AMVD) would cooperate and would help point out a scammer before they could even pull their con.

One scammer could ruin an entire zip code for everyone but I feel that it'd be less common than a single person scamming and trying. Again ZIP+4 could also help narrow down the rape train targeting, but again this might just lead to the even more specific screwing-over of a legitimate customer who just happens to be near an asshole. But when it comes to vendors, they're already aware they've lost too many parcels to certain zip codes and are already wary. Accurate stats just allow them to make better informed decisions; this is a numbers game after all.

I have'nt decided whether to actually create this or not yet but I've began to give it thought. Somebody can create this if they want, just give me a lil credit for the idea. Suggestions for improvements (ESPECIALLY for security purposes) would be appreciated.


[1 Points] ciphersexual:

Why do you think there's been an "influx" of scamming buyers? You're saying that it's gotten worse lately? Regardless, I'm sorry to hear this.

Have any of the markets ever discussed setting up a fee structure for buyers to join the market? Seems like even a few dollars/pounds would be enough to prevent scammers from registering new usernames repeatedly.