The RC situation

Alright, it's been over a month now and still no news replacement for any of the RC's... A month is quite some time to not have a replacement, and this whole thirtylone B.S. that has been popping up is annoying, especially when some of my own trusted vendors have offered it to me. So, what is out there to replace dibutylone, Ethylone, or other chemicals that have similar effects to mdma.


Comments


[8 Points] theshadowfax:

The single greatest loss in all of that IMO was the loss of MXE. Most of the big and really good RCs, are really more or less attempts to mimic long existing and more illicit drugs in effects. But MXE actually improved upon the ketamine model and offered a substance that contained the same potential for psychoactive exploration as its more well established ketamine but isnt as damaging to bodily systems with extended use.

I had hoped once the RC ban hit that we would see MXE production pick up again in countries where it is still legal, but that hasn't happened yet. Instead people keep synthing this MXP shit which is nowhere near as good and the MXE you can still find is either price gouged or impure. How long must we wait until India or some other country steps up to fill the MXE gap?


[6 Points] None:

You should still be able to find those chems for a bit still. A lot of vendors both domestic USA and international probably still have a decent amount of a lot of the Chems that fell into the ban and might even have sales going on so they can unload what they have left quickly. You're probably better off using a trusted rc web-shop or email vendor from the /r/RCSources though.


[4 Points] jondaven:

5-MAPB and 5/6-APB are the best MDMA replacements available. Like the other guy said, try the clearnet first.


[1 Points] StrictlyLegalChems:

6-mapb is a good alternative and will be avialable shortly.


[1 Points] khin26854:

I don't understand why there aren't more drugs from PiKHAL being made, I think that many people would be interested into trying them.

I am thinking of lesser-known psychedelics from the 2C-T family (it goes up to 2C-T-21), the whole TMA family (if I am not mistaken there is no worldwide ban on these), GANESHA and some of its analogues (e.g. the 2C-G family) seem interesting, some of the other "Classic Ladies" (ARIADNE, BEATRICE, etc) could be worth exploring as well (although I think little is known about those), same thing for the ALEPH family,...

More on the MDMA-like side, I would pay a lot to try some real MDEA, MMDA, etc, but these ones have been illegal everywhere for ages and don't count as RCs anymore... Yet there are still clandestine labs manufacturing MDA, MDMA, or 2C-B, all of which are illegal, so why not the more exotic MDxx? I'm sure there is some demand for that, at least on the DNMs. There is also FLEA, never seen that anywhere although it sounds interesting.

I know all of PiKHAL and TiHKAL may already be banned in some countries with analog laws such as the USA, but then there is still a EU market where things like 2C-E or 5-MeO-MIPT are legal in a lot of countries, and easily available through clearnet sources. There is some progress, for example with mescaline analogues (escaline, proscaline, 3C-E,...) or "novel" lysergamides (AL-LAD, PRO-LAD,...) but I don't understand why these drugs only appeared relatively recently on the RC market if they have been known for decades thanks to Shulgin's work.

Some interesting novel MDMA-like RCs did appear (and continue to do so), the APB family being a good example in my opinion, but then there is also a lot of crap flooding the market, especially when it comes to cathinones or weird stimulants. I don't fully understand the popularity of the NBOMe family either (well, it sounds interesting, but then it already caused quite a few deaths and injuries in its short existence), nor did I understand the sudden interest in Bromo-DragonFLY and related compounds a few years ago (but those seem to have disappeared from the market). Even frankendrugs like 5-APB-NBOMe have briefly hit the market at some point, although most reports say that this product isn't even active.

I wonder what happened to RCs from the piperazine family? At some point (before all the mephedrone drama) they were huge, although most reports I read about BZP were negative, it seems that some people enjoyed them (and I admit that I would be curious to try BZP, I should have grabbed it when it was everywhere). But after the BZP/TFMPP/etc ban, it seems that labs just gave up piperazines and moved on to cathinones This was probably a good thing of course, but today I think it's time to give up about cathinones, we've got enough of them.


[0 Points] throwHAYawayNEIGH:

Where dafuq can a nigga get

U-47700 and/or

Adinazolam within the US


[0 Points] legalizeNUKESANDcp:

Dude I have been having fucking DREAMS about Thirtylone and how they are making it in China, thats my dream just this giant warehouse with zipper heads running around spilling caustic all over the place and splashing it, getting it all over the floor. Some guy in a forklift backs into a tote and solvent goes flying everywhere but nobody stops working they just crank the (non brushless motorized) fans and open some doors.

That U2x3000 opiate thing looks promising, also these should be replaced with more hilarious and obscure compounds by early 2016, think COCAINE ANALOGUES and some real lysergamides.