Lab Report: BlueViking 200 mcg. LSD tabs on Marilyn Monroe Blotter

I apologize in advance for the length of this post, but I feel that it is necessary to explain all the details of the results. There is a TL;DR at the end.

I recently ordered a certified GC/MS lab report from Energy Control that was done on one tab of alleged "200 mcg" blotter acid from BlueViking on a Marilyn Monroe print. This blotter is NOT the "300/350 mcg. 'Hero Dose'" blotters which were sold on the same artwork. I have spent many hours deciding whether to notify BlueViking of this report, or going directly to this sub. I have decided, rightly or wrongly, to give the results to the sub instead of notifying the vendor first.

According to Energy Control, these 200 µg blotters contain only 91 µg of LSD (true LSD, and not AL-LAD as someone speculated in a post several days ago). In a previous correspondence, the Energy Control lab tech told me that they are able to distinguish between active amounts of LSD 25 and inactive amounts of iso-lsd, so this amount only represents the active molecule; they did not disclose how much inactive iso-lsd, if any, the blotter contained. It appears that BlueViking is advertising his LSD to be twice as strong as it really is. In other words, he is underdosing his tabs by more than 50%.

If someone else has another interpretation of these results, please say so. I'm not quite sure how BlueViking could dispute a certified lab analysis of his product. I suppose he could say that this whole post is bullshit, or perhaps that it was "one bad lay" . . . who knows. The tab was mailed to Energy Control shortly after receipt from BlueViking. In the interim, it was stored in a cool, dark, dry place, and was securely wrapped when mailed to Energy Control to prevent any degradation or breakdown of the LSD.

A note about FUD: there is no doubt that I could be one of BlueViking's competitors, or a burnt customer trying to sully his reputaion. I am not. I have no axe to grind. One of the mods suggested I post from a throwaway for anonymity, but I regularly post/comment here. I could get a mod to verify this if need be. I simply believe that it is good for the community to see the most popular vendors' tabs tested. Make no mistake: BlueViking is vending pure LSD, and his service, delivery time, and stealth is among the best in the business. But that does not excuse him underdosing his tabs by more tha 50%.

I know we speculate that "all vendors" underdose their tabs, but a recent Energy Control analysis of Peaceful's tabs, as well as recent analyses by the LSD Avengers, show that there are a variety of vendors who lay their tabs within 5-10% of their advertised dosage. Underdosing tabs by more than 50% is inexcusable. However, there will always be those who accuse positive reviewers as being shills, and those who say that overly negative reviews are from vendors trying to destroy their competition's reputations. I am neither.

I have linked to the only document that Energy Control sent me with my email. It is what appears to be a quantitative analysis, and not a qualitative analysis (basically they sent me a graph of what the GC/MS showed, and not a report describing the results). It is important to note that nowhere in the attached document did Energy Control quote the dosage as 91 micrograms. The only mention of that specific dose is in the original email I had with the original lab assistant at energy control, which I've included at the end of this post. I can forward the original email from Energy Control to a mod if that would help with verification/authenticity. Again, there is no way of determining the dose of the blotter that was sent in solely from the attached quantitative analysis without some serious chemical research skills. I did read a previous lab test of peaceful's LSD, I believe, that included both a quantitative and a qualitative analysis. Some posters felt that Energy Control's inclusion of the qualitative analysis was in error; in any event, Energy Control never sent me one.

EDIT -- After asking Energy Control for the qualitative report, the lab tech said he will ask for it and write me back ASAP. So I can add that when I get it.

As I said, I have ruminated for hours on whether or not to disclose this report. I have nothing against BlueViking, and he has provided superior service to countless customers. However, I believe this analysis needs to be shared with the broader community. If I feel that this is a topic of interest I will answer what questions I can. If I feel like I am doing more of a disservice to the community by posting this or if I feel that my opsec is in any danger, I will delete the post. As a final note, if any good-hearted redditors spot an opsec error that I missed that might dox me, please let me know. Thanks for listening, guys.

TL;DR: A tab of alleged 200 mcg. LSD from BlueViking was sent to Energy Control for analysis, it came back as containing only 91 mcg. of LSD. BlueViking is advertising his tabs as twice as strong as they really are; or, in other words, he is underdosing his tabs by more than 50%.

P.S.: I've also attached a redacted copy of the email Energy Control sent me; the grammer is bad because this is a Spanish lab, and English is not the lab technician's first language.

P.P.S.: Much props to Energy Control for providing this service. It's pricey, at around 70 bucks per analysis, but I feel that it is more than worth it for the benefit it provides to the enitre community. I whole-heartedly recommend their service.

Here is the original, redacted email from Energy Control containing the dose information:

Here are your result. We apologise for the delay, we had a technical issue but it's now completely solved. Sorry for any inconvenience and thank you for your understanding. Sample code: XXXX LabCode: XXX Result: LSD 91 µg Attached you'll find the graph of the quantiative analysis performed with GC/MS. The quantitative result was made with a calibration curve from a reference standard. We are launching our service and for us, it would be important to have positive feedbacks. In case you are satisfied with our service we would appreciate that you comment about it in any of these links and talk about it to people you know: (clearnet web address) (web address) Thank you :)

Quantitative Analysis:

https://anonfiles.com/file/62c38ed45368ea5227da8f49bc23616c


Comments


[76 Points] BlueViking_SR:

Hi bababooyey123-

Could you please provide the information or graphic which shows the results you posted are related to the tab sold by our shop?

I would be more than happy to provide a response but first would like to see the lab's descriptor of the tab being tested.

Thanks

BV

Edit: See this image for specifics on print detailing. Notice that it's attributes can be confirmed: https://anonfiles.com/file/02ae48b0eb83b34f4e7d3d5c8878016b

Also, please see my post here for more information regarding this accusation: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/2xsgxj/lab_report_blueviking_200_mcg_lsd_tabs_on_marilyn/cp3u4wk


[73 Points] don_crackavelli:

Wow thanks for this post man, really good for the community. Now how could BV do this to us? He is such a great vendor and a great guy in general. I have lost a bit of respect from him after reading this.


[37 Points] k9atemybuds:

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[25 Points] DNMd:

It's been known among heads for a long time that basically all DNM acid is not dosed at it's advertised level. It's a marketing gimmick.

Edit: And It's been this way since FM/OVDB/before markets even existed


[11 Points] roionsteroids:

Average amount of LSD on blotters tested by energycontrol and saferparty in 2014 was around 70μg.

Just as comparison.


[10 Points] PsychedelicTangerine:

HIS 300UG WERE HELLLA POWERFUL. For people saying use differant labs...this test is as accurate as it gets. He is clearly Underdosing.

Hope he sees this.

Glad we know this but we all know tabs are underdosed on DNM.


[11 Points] 75stupid:

I don't get what the anonfile proves that the BV tab was underlaid. I'm sorry, but I don't see the proof at all. Pictures please. I mean I just see some graph. Link me to energycontrol's report on their web page or something. You can't just say 'Here's proof!' and post whatever. I mean maybe I'm retarded and not reading it right, but I'm still skeptical.

That said, I had BV's 100's and they felt the same as HOS and GG's 100s. If anything I'd say SCIdmt 75, BV 90, HOS 100, GG 110, but those are very subjective.

But 50ug of LSD is actually a lot, a new user or a smaller person can trip balls off just 50ug. Body weight effects drug metabolization with every drug, even with LSD (Hofman even says so, by the way, and it's well established fact in the medical field, before anyone says 'im a little girl and I can still drive after 200ug').

Is it possible BV gave you a 100ug tab instead of his 200ug, either to rip you off or on accident? This is why I would've messaged the vendor first.

And why did you have it tested? Did you suspect it was underdosed, or did you just want to test to test?

I have on hand BV (Mayan, sex positions? I can't quite make out the print) HOS (nintendo and acid test), and GG 100ug tabs, and I would be willing to send them to Energy Control. I'm just not exactly sure how much it would cost, but I think i would be willing to pay for it on my own. I might ask the community to help me bankroll that, if you guys were willing to help me out on that. Obviously there would be trust issues but I'm sure we would work something out. I'm serious about it, I dont know if you guys would be, I'm sure the mods and such and I can work it out.

Also, can anyone link that recent post someone did on one of the forums where they tested some LSD vendors? I recall someone saying they tested HOS at 104ug. Thanks


[7 Points] None:

I find it strange that the most reputable LSD vendor, whose product has blown everything me and my mates have ever gotten off the street away completely, finally gets his product tested and it's underdosed by over 50%?

If this lab report is accurate, then that means street tabs are literally in the 25-40 ug range ... tops ...


[6 Points] gwern:

Mirror of https://cdn1.anonfiles.com/1425385243745.jpg : https://i.imgur.com/cTYMU6e.jpg


[6 Points] RobotTits:

So here's what I had in my head regarding a group fund.

A mod(sorry but /u/Lobali is the only one I can think of right now) sets up a donation wallet which shows the amount currently stashed in it at the time on the sidebar. I know I'd be more than willing to throw in a couple bucks here and there for the pure science of it.

When they want to send in a sample, they contact Lobali who then relays the BTC onto the lab after shipping. At this point, I'm not sure if it makes more sense for Lobali to post the data results or the sender. My gut says Lobali for obvious reasons, and at the same time maybe (s)he doesn't want the hassle of it being tied to their name.

The main problem I see other than the mods saying "fuck off" is the eventual saboteur who will send in duds under other vendor's names or the vendor who sends double dipped doses to the lab just to say, "seeeee? We're over doing it".

The reality is, if people did this more often and only had to part ways with the price of hits instead of hits PLUS the price of the lab test, then vendors would be forced to step their game up, continue relying on noobs who swing from their dicks/labia simply because they provided them their first psychedelic experience, or drown.

Lastly, I think different products should have separate wallets. No offense, meth heads.


[3 Points] SecondChanceUsername:

Did you also sample some of the same batch? Im curious if 90g might seem like upwards of 150-175ug under the right conditions. B/c All BV's 100ug gear has been good for me and felt like an accurate dose.But it has been a while since I've talked to BV...


[4 Points] None:

thank you


[3 Points] throwawayyfoeonions:

When were these tabs acquired?

I have recently tried their current batch of 100ug house white and 115ug Japanese white tripped two seperate times off of 1.5 of these tabs so roughly a 150ug and a 172ug trip with plenty of time between for tolerance and they seemed pretty accurately dosed to me.


[3 Points] RobotTits:

Good information. Thanks for this.

I imagine this is going to ruffle more feathers of the set and setting horseshit-crowd than of BV themselves but hopefully it'll stop some of the, "it felt like 143-156ish to me" garbage.

How do you go about sending it to the lab for testing?


[4 Points] timpanicmembrane:

BV's 200s (pac man print) were the strongest tabs I've ever had. Stronger than Pimpit's 200s, stronger than Tessellated's 200s, stronger than AlbertHoffman1943s 110s. However I wouldn't be surprised to find out that everybody significantly under-doses and that those other guys' tabs are probably like 50ug.

I also wouldn't be surprised if we found out that all of BV's tabs are roughly 100ug, and that the 200s and 300s are just a marketing gimmick for suckers.


[5 Points] motsanciens:

How do we know it's not 91 active, 109 inactive? Couldn't someone have the ability to do the synthesis but not the ability or equipment to verify the purity? In that case, it could be an honest error where he layed 200, but the purity was only 45.5%.


[4 Points] 27clubhereicome:

As someone whose anus is almost finished with the pounding of a stats degree... why did you pay for a test on one tab of one order and extrapolate from that? I'm not usually that guy, but how do we know you didn't place an order with him, send a pic of that to a mod, and send some other acid off to discredit him? I haven't tried his 200s, but if his 150s are bullshit I would challenge you to prove more than a small fraction of other vendors are any better. This is fucking middle school level work for discrediting an operation this size. I will admit that I sort of expect most of the acid vendors to be slightly full of shit anyway and just judge them relatively.


[3 Points] buttdude85:

Soooo what I take away from this....(which may be one of the most interesting posts on here ever) Is that at some point, an LSD vendor got the notion that people don't really know what a dose of LSD should really feel like and came up with the bright idea to start bumping the advertised dosages higher and higher. I mean if you could buy a 200mic hit for the price of a 100mic hit wouldn't you do it? Then it became a competitive endeavor as far as advertised dosages go with all the other vendor following suit. Something like...."kinda light, call it 125. Decent, call it 150, heavy, call it 200".

I would LOVE to know the actual doses of all these tabs from all vendors. I imagine universally 150mics is probably in the 50-75 range? hmm


[2 Points] TripAddict:

Thank you for posting this. I was about to buy about 20 from him the other day. Glad i didn't in the end. How could BV do this tho, one of the top LSD vendors on Agora and Evo.


[2 Points] lopeor:

Oh, I'd like to see the faces of all BVs fanboys now. What a nice day.


[2 Points] None:

What ties this image to BV exactly?


[2 Points] None:

Now someone needs to test DHLab


[1 Points] None:

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[2 Points] None:

I'm not doubting that these tabs you measured were underdosed, but I wish you had tested multiple tabs. I've done a lot of acid and his new 100ug tabs hit me very hard. Maybe I've just never had accurately measured acid. This should definitely be brought up with BV, maybe he will step his game up.


[1 Points] PleaseStopClaire:

NICE can you do GammaGoblins? I'll help pay for it.


[1 Points] rikkeemartina:

Can someone put up a quick newbie tutorial on submitting products to testing facilities?

Like what facilities are out there? How do you communicate with them, pay them, etc. Energy Control is in Spanish so I didn't know where to go next. I would love to get some products tested for the community.


[1 Points] ShulginsCat:

I love that EC just gives you the dosage straight up. That's the difference between EU and US - taking the harm reduction approach seriously rather than leaving all drug users in the dark.


[1 Points] youtakesally:

This is what you get when you spoil an anonymous drug dealer over the internet.


[1 Points] None:

great post, thanks for the heads up


[1 Points] thisisbogus:

Maybe it was dumb luck, and you happened to pick the tab that was underdosed. You also only tested one tab, not a dozen.

I can't say anything about him now, but his tabs I got in July seemed fine.


[1 Points] SacredGeometry25:

Well fuck me what are his 100ug actually dosed at then?!?!?!


[1 Points] colocures:

I predict that AL-LAD is actually produced for a much higher price (at the root of distribution) than LSD, given the fact that you go through LSD to make AL-LAD (at least using Shulgin's synth), so if you got "200ug" L that ended up being only 91ug, I can totally believe that -- LSD is actually a pretty fragile molecle, it must be stored correctly, especially from UV light.

PS. Good job for reporting the facts. That's how the market learns :)


[1 Points] WhereIsMyLSD:

OP, when were these tabs purchased? They currently have Marilyn Monroe tabs advertised as 300ug, not 200ug. Iirc they had some dosing issues in the past but everything I've gotten from them recently is fucking potent and very good quality. I think this is because now they handle the laying of the LSD onto blotter instead of someone else.


[1 Points] a1818:

What the fuck does all this mean? Aside from the obvious that BV is underdosing on this print, and possibly his other prints, what does it mean for future LSD purchases?

How the hell can I get legitimate LSD laid as accurate as vendors claim? I might want to get some new LSD in a while, and feel cheated that even one vendor is "scamming" people by underdosing.

dhlabs (?) is very nice for his 20ug doses, which I now worry might even be underdosed lmao :/


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] Bleuviking:

I have a feeling he sells under-dosed tabs to new buyers. After about 5 times buying with him I noticed the potency of the tabs I was getting sky-rocketed. Anyone else have a similar experience?


[1 Points] Space_Native:

Are there any great sources for LSD on the market? I had two different experiences with two different vendors at two different dosage levels and needless to say they were both very weak. I would basically have to take 3 or even 4 to 1 of what I'm normally used to. Has any on hear had really good LSD outside of the dark net then had stuff that is on par with said good LSD from the dark net? If so who is it from? Cause I would love to order more but I don't think Im really down to go through all the hassle to get very weak stuff from over the net.


[0 Points] throwaway254106:

my friend just gave me a sample of his 100ug and I have a really hard time believing those were underdosed. Id like to see someone send in tabs from all the big players like bv, hos, caliconnection, tguk, gg, and whoever else so we can see how this relates to the competition. Im on the side of thinking the 200s may have just been a bad lay


[-1 Points] timpanicmembrane:

it came back as containing only 91 mcg. of LSD. BlueViking is advertising his tabs as twice as strong as they really are

You can't draw that conclusion from only one test of only one tab, that's not a scientifically valid conclusion based on such a limited sample size. The only conclusion you can draw is that specific tab was under-dosed. It's common for blotter sheets to have "hot" and "cold" spots, you can't get the dose of every tab on the sheet completely even.


[0 Points] None:

Wow ty!


[0 Points] blamehofmann:

Fuck, I wonder if this applies for the rest of his product. Would you be willing to do another test on a different dose?


[0 Points] None:

For those of you who are saying just this one tab was under dosed. remember if that is the case who ever is laying this acid on the blotter does not know what they're doing. A few points off maybe, this large of a variation means he's underdosing for whoever is laying it is incompetent


[0 Points] None:

could you do top_gear_uk?


[0 Points] None:

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[0 Points] AcctNo:

I'm a bit suspect on the above file. Because this.

Assuming you are in the US, the lab you sent it to would require a DEA license to test the tabs, and I don't think the average person would send LSD to the DEA. Additionally, a GC/MS does not give the quantity of an item, rather it gives the ratio of an ingredient in a substance in terms of the other ingredients in the tab. They would also need to have a standard to then compare that to. Most labs do not do this or have this.


[0 Points] 75stupid:

Am I the only person who realized how obvious this all was with Fa-Fa-Fo-Hi as the OP's name?

You guys got trolled so hard.

HOWARD STERNS PENIS BABABOOEY HOWARD STERNS PENIS


[-1 Points] DankNetMarkets:

91ug? Nice, i thought it was less. every DNM sourced LSD i tried was utter shit.

Thanks for confirming this.


[-1 Points] reekleek:

How do we know this dude didnt purposely lay his lsd in direct sun for hours before he sent it? BVs 140ug tab is to this date the best ive ever had


[-1 Points] Xerxero:

I problem I have with this is you don't know how the handling was prior to the testing. If someone left it out in the sun for 2 days the lsd would get weaker.


[-2 Points] brnqll:

thank you for your post i do not think you will be doxxed

i dont know much about LSD, but could it be the case that any was degraded upon shipping or anything like that?

did you try out one of those said tabs?


[-3 Points] None:

In all fairness, this really doesn't prove much. You tested one tab. For a more accurate test, you need to order multiple times spread across and send multiple tabs, then average the results. But overall your work is much appreciated


[0 Points] None:

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[-2 Points] LNBReborn:

HOLY SHIT OP DELIVERED! I knew it was gonna be BV lol i fucking knew it

Edit: you said this wrong

show that there are a variety of vendors who lay their tabs within 5-10% of their advertised dosage.

That would mean 5-10ug rather than 100 and I know that's not what ur tryna say


[-4 Points] None:

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