why is tumbling unsafe now? is it really?

when i first encountered DNMs the recommended process i was taught was exchange >> bitcoin tumbler >> DNM, using tor, a vpn and pgp 2fa. ive been away for a little while but now people seem to treating tumbling like the devil, and recommended setups involve routing coins through 5-6 different places with all sorts of software and, its all sort of overwhelming. i only buy small personal amounts. im not sure why the fundamentals have changed and why previous advice is now often decried as insecure. is it really that dangerous for the average user to still use this method? are people overstating the risks that exist? i still havent had any issues just obfuscating bitcoins using a tumbler but now im feeling paranoid and exhausted. i dont particularly have the facility to set up tails at the moment or adopt these new methods and, in plain terms for a small time buyer, are these concerns really applicable? if i hadnt been reading reddit subs id still be happily still passing my transactions through a tumbler and not worrying as i always have. lots of other people seem to still just do that, or at least they did. what has really changed, if anything? how worried should i be? or not?


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[9 Points] basjin:

if you tumble your coins, you are ahead 95% of basic dnm users, even with not using tails, like most people dont use it.


[3 Points] Vespco:

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[2 Points] JailsucksLEtoo:

even now that the game kinda became harder to use tumblers, tails and VPNs to buy small personal amounts it's only a massive waste of time and money. Nobody is giving a fuck about your or mine gram to enjoy our weekends. Those are problems for sellers and big resellers


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] BitCloak:

Tumbling is fine, recently there is some fud around originated from the shutdown of bitmixer months ago, fueled by disinformation and shills from "monero services". Tumblers are just services, the legit ones are here to stay dont worry, but I can only speak for BitCloak not for others. The act of tumbling is useful for hundreds of purposes, its just a tool to make a private bitcoin transaction and can be applied to anything.


[1 Points] dreamcompromised2:

I don't think the risks have changed all that much. The biggest "risk" of a tumbler is that the tumbler is a honeypot or LE compromised. In that case, tumbling is not effective and if a tumbler were a honeypot, you just put yourself on the radar by using it. But this has always been a risk/possibility. As a small time buyer, your risks are fairly minimal. Vendors on the other hand should have a solid cash out strategy and should not rely on a single tumbler or method. I'm far from a bitcoin expert but if I were vending, I would use a minimum of 2 different tumblers, in case one is compromised. Monero would be anohter possibility as well but I'm not at all versed in Monero. I'd think a combination of tumblers and exchanging for different coin types would be the minimum if you were a vendor.