Why Tumble?

Given the fact that there are several university research papers on how to use Heuristics, Clustering, ATC(Analysis of Transaction Chain), and ABPN (Analysis of Bitcoin Protocol Network) to de-anonymize users on the Bitcoin Blockchain. As well as companies such as https://www.elliptic.co/ who look to identify illegal activity on the blockchain. Can someone show evidence where putting your Bitcoin into a tumbler; (which may or may not keep logs, could lose or steal your bitcoin, and requires a user to blindly trust this service, costs money on top of transaction fee); has any benefit?

I mean all you're doing is adding another charge of money laundering to your illegal activites. I keep seeing debate on here about this and it is frustrating when your new.

Also unless you're activites attract federal level attention. Chances are low that you local, county, even state have the resources to use the blockchain to come at you. They will certainly use traditional methods first as that is what they know and have money for.

I look forward to reading the evidence.


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[11 Points] magicthrowaway12312:

Also unless you're activites attract federal level attention. Chances are low that you local, county, even state have the resources to use the blockchain to come at you. They will certainly use traditional methods first as that is what they know and have money for.

pretty much sums up my thoughts, I don't tumble.


[7 Points] MDxMATTY94:

Other day I lost 53£ cause of scam tumble, never again


[7 Points] None:

Please post this in /r/bitcointumbling


[6 Points] None:

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[3 Points] ItsAllJustPretend:

redditor for 6 hours

Ok there /u/Seraphim_X. You can stop shilling for yourself now.


[3 Points] SaintVengeance:

Why bother using PGP? Unless you're a big fish they're not going to come after you either, using your logic.

Because when you're doing something illegal, you better cover your ass. On the off chance you ARE getting busted, any evidence is life changing for you.


[3 Points] Seraphim_X:

A fear of the unknown and peace of mind is the best reason many advocates can come up with. There is absolutely no proof that coins have ever been tracked back to any market user ever. And you are correct, much like silkroad2 was used by LE to better understand how this all operates, I believe it is possible that tumblers could be effective in collecting data on a number of things. Personally (my own opinion and with other available options to tumble yourself), I would never trust a completely unknown third party with any of my DNM activities. I try to remain as anonymous right from the jump. This includes aquiring coins that have never been close to my true identity.

edit: I wanted to add a very reputable vendors thoughts on this subject since they seem to allign with my own views on this topic:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/5nf4qv/can_we_please_stop_ignoring_the_900_pound_pink/dcd010l/?utm_content=permalink&utm_medium=front&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=DarkNetMarkets


[2 Points] None:

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[2 Points] Bulky_Bear:

It seems a little suspicious that there's a sudden new trend of users trying hard to get everyone to stop tumbling. My "LE" radar is going haywire right now.


[1 Points] jarxlots:

I personally don't believe tumbling on the same blockchain will provide the level of "cleanliness" most tumble clients are looking for.


[1 Points] chairtalker:

So... I didn't mean to strike up such a shit show here. I have been lurking around for quite a while trying to get my shit togther under a different name. I made some early errors and needed to start over. But I never came across the post by serphim_x from a few days ago. I have however read several masters thesis papers regarding deanonyimation of bitcoin. In none of those papers do they mention the taint anlysis. They mention the ones in my original post. And to that end tumblers only seem to cause problems for some of the methods. Problems that they understand but are out of the scope of the research. Additionally they mention a method on how to block tor exit nodes from accessing the block chain for 24 hours. It all seems a bit overwhelming. Specifically whether or not tumbler services maintain logs of inputs and outputs? Because if they did couldn't they potentially then be subpeaoned? And somewhere along the line I missed that the best option is to buy bitcoin using cash. I kept seeing over and over again about tumbling. People asking about their opsec which included tumbling and getting thumbs up.


[1 Points] stacyblended:

Use an ATM to stay anonymous. Surely a little something to obstruct your appearance is adequate. :)


[1 Points] IsThatPurple:

You know that most of the gambling sites work in the same way, right? The coins are going to a central pool. You send coin in, you get other out. Still, unless you're buying coins from snakefaces like Coinbase I don't think you need tumbling. Or, if you buy coins from LBC face-to-face, use a VPN with Tor, then there's no evidence of your name, IP, etc. But this is just me! Everybody's safety is a personal issue.


[1 Points] xmr_is_private:

Tumbling is unnecessary if you use a private blockchain like Monero.