New market coming soon - Input welcome

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256

Today I announce that I will be opening a new market in the near future.

This thread is to give an idea about my take running a market, what I do and do not have planned so far aswell as to get some user input and see what I may be able to add to it to better serve the community.

Why am I doing this? Quite frankly I am fed up with governments and their "war on drugs". It's ridiculous. My take on this.. Its your body, feel free to put what ever you want in it to make you feel how ever you want. I just ask you to do it responsibly. If you aren't hurting anyone, there shouldn't be an issue.

With that being said, here is some of what I have planned for my market. I am changing up a few little things from the traditional market settings, and I feel my reasons for them are just, but I will gladly discuss any of them openly.

Projected Name: The Pharmacy

Reasons: People re-use passwords and use shitty passwords so those will be provided. If you lose your password, you will NEED your key. There is no email to send to recover them. If you lose your key you will NOT be able to recover an account plain and simple.

Support and Scammers

I would like to have some input on what you would like to see the market do, implement, whatever you want to call it. I will also be looking to have a couple people pentest it further than what I am before official launch.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBfl59F7WWZvBVSEcCbzurMAqWZUFAlmoRcQACgkQCbzurMAq WZUZ4Af/W+T0AJVoS4J/ySxlLbE99ARC98509NdZC1L9+Q19/KZKuCSKHCLwyISw igf2xPfbjyU4FW7OrCtab9VI4GQw0wPV8U+gsK8gShya78HmhRBOkt4xdhRNpjIL Yy1NmEi2JF2KzQjslcNvnE5aSL3zGT2lzf+jweN6mOPrtin1CcNniHvRLb92NkLx FFhA4VVYdTj6q2cpKuONr7/T1LwrUhclUBkYRRkBt7LCW3FVqurVDRnlDugb8E9h Atff5fBbHKOW2CJ2Cl7ytApQ0/B02jKcVvfn3tO91+G5N51ciVaEDHvhrvQMDzAX Rk9JEdR8takjdLGzTpnzvhaNThLYmw== =Tcm9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----


Comments


[41 Points] None:

I don't see why your providing passwords. If you want to make accounts more secure just enforce 2fa. Actually you just forcing these "random passwords" is worse then letting users choose there own.

"- This will be a drug only market. This WILL NOT CHANGE"

So no fraud,ebooks, or other goods allowed?

" - - Everything that can be crypted in the database, will be encrypted. Incase of something happening, there is an extra layer (or more) of security there."

What kind of extra security? I mean your renting a server from a company that if le find will just image the server.


[17 Points] None:

[deleted]


[16 Points] MFR_MFR_MFR:

Like the idea of a market forcing Monero usage. There's really no excuse for continuing to use Bitcoin for DNMs at this point.

What experience do you have with TOR hidden services etc? How will the security of the market be tested? Can you ensure the safety of yourself and your users in the event that the IP address of the server is uncovered? TOR is good but it's not perfect, and hidden services still can be uncovered through correlation attacks and coordinated DOS attacks.


[16 Points] None:

I don't know if I like you or trust you at the moment. 1. What sort of food do you like? 2. Do you like Mia Khalifa? 3. Will porn subscriptions be allowed?


[13 Points] basjin:

your pgp key...

'fuckthegov.com' ? seriously? why not 'imthekingoftheworld.com' or 'myrealnameiskiller.com' ?


anyway, lets go on..

Projected Name: The Pharmacy

i hope this wont be the market name, since there is already a onion store (scam) with that name. but do as you wish.


Passwords will be provided to you as a random character string like this:

no passwords, your server provides anything? do you have any idea how this will end? (not even talking about the security issues)


There will NOT be a referral system. That shits dumb. Its a drug market not a pyrimid scheme to make money.

ok, so i assume there will also be no market fee's, but wait, you say

Fee will be between 2%-4% not really sure how I will be going about that yet

so you actually want any earnings for yourself. greeeeeeeed.


It's being considered to be Monero(XMR) only for payments

pretty clever, except 1 little thing, lets assume you maybe earn 5k a day on fee's. fully anonymous, great.

there is just 1 little thing, how do you get the monero back to real money without anyone noticing? since any exchange already monitors monero changes to btc/cash/whatever and is noticing LE if transactions are 'suspicious', you are aware of how much work this would require?


To begin, there will NOT be a forum, I may add one in later but there are too many risks that come with a forum.

so you wont grant your members any chance to talk about problems/vendors/scams in public? because you cant afford another server to host it?


I am a one man support team currently. I will do the best I can to responded in a timely manner. I do have a life of my own, and being one person, give me some time.

well, that would be no problem. but it looks like you got no clue at all. so maybe get someone with some knowledge first before creating such announcements (and im not talking about coding skills, i seriously cant tell what you level is, but it doesnt seem too high considering your password/account key ideas, at least you never coded anything for money)


One of my goals is to make everyone a little more secure and using more OPSEC.

for me, you actually did that with this post. i know for sure, i will never use your market. ty


[13 Points] None:

[deleted]


[8 Points] nevada6:

Not sure who in their right mind would allow markets to choose their passwords for them.


[11 Points] Polygon_Windows:

allow us to set up an additional password that will cause the account to self destruct if entered (in case of vendor compromise)


[9 Points] KnowsAboutShrooms:

Include a dead man switch. If you don't log in for (x) days, the site locks, a banner page displays, and all funds are refunded or finalized based on whether the pack has been marked shipped.


[6 Points] definitelynotminesir:


[7 Points] None:

What makes you think you can do this and get away with it?


[7 Points] BlueWilderness:

cant wait to see pharmacy get hacked


[5 Points] Uhohcorysays:

Your ONLY posts are advertisements for this new market. Have you even spent time In the community?


[5 Points] old__school:

Not trying to break rule number 2 here or anything, but just from reading your post I can tell you aren't going to be successful with this.


[5 Points] Uhohcorysays:

I do not like the sound of this market, but that's just me.

Gives me weird vibes. I always follow my gut and it is telling me NO!


[5 Points] None:

[removed]


[5 Points] NiggalaceCage:

oh my god, these are the ppl making our market sites? We're all screwed. I wouldn't trust anyone with less than a decade in professional IT work, with a hard emphasis on webdev for something like that. This isn't fixing your dads laptop or knowing buzz words.


[3 Points] throwawayzz810:

have a wallet system like hansa and CGMC, also the only thing that rubs me the wrong way is the password generator, id rather just make my own password as I'm not a dumbass and dont reuse them lol:) i can see what youre getting at tho and while its very smart its just i feel that i wouldnt like it due to that ! other than that its all good ! good luck mate cheers!


[3 Points] Bollocks_:

What is your background with computers/encryption/running any kind of website?

What are your credentials that would make anyone even trust this site?

How do we know u aren't just a college kid who has taken COMP 101?

How has no one asked this yet?


[2 Points] AutoModerator:

To format PGP encrypted messages, signed messages or keys properly on reddit please follow these instructions.

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.


[2 Points] heavilyredacted:

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

mQENBFmoPUsBCACaVa/nWLQUVVN4qeY+jF5v8SnXN5oMUjevKIxScTeN8fzlSZ23 GgnmHda0mJcRd1+4RdDCXLbaE0KnMjroE9dDWu3SZpyDqAnQumuw7M1QtmqaX2gO i74f1FQtTTibPMTuVUwMIslkgkd7Qn5VRO83XCz1P5HgpNr3Q6YS5Tv90Hhrj/l0 HFWpIyBUzNleQzV1l5QtbSiVsLeCYN337VdlVabX4OWY7p0nyiZro3wOnTyN8z/s Lcl7dow7OA4uI9IqUD1xWGAonJ2xnZAiG1/uoSriVRno2XWfznzasG7u6pWpIxwx IGNy7ko5Pqw/mJ3aJE6dcZmQmZtPKqdY2TOFABEBAAG0MGhlYXZpbHlyZWRhY3Rl ZCA8aGVhdmlseXJlZGFjdGVkQGZ1Y2t0aGVnb3YuY29tPokBTgQTAQgAOBYhBAX5 efRe1lmbwVUhHAm87qzAKlmVBQJZqD1LAhsDBQsJCAcCBhUICQoLAgQWAgMBAh4B AheAAAoJEAm87qzAKlmV8o0H/i1n2ZEF7hlbxRMEJCgC2Q52TctGWB3TpwC1S363 hJxs/XtRuJdH7/e8aaC8dZ47h0eNjrpYp2OAna0YNLPkhub4wr5JOrnmEwdSXy7R US6Q5/AInRf+s9cvszka4s3wssOv9eRXFKh9gvtMV9nnJayaEEoNrlY57QT2vvXH trNXvOn5YQ2y60Ci0iP+aSYB2+E9wEi7KwqIM61l5061TGV6oVjTLmlsY+WYf87g Rk+7XwgBiBfxdT/ms0UA0K7OqY8VUZAzOkNurW0x8iH03m/4Z2k4WLRi0W/cURkJ MwIw+7W2A67OPFsIxZlycYfURP3i9yV2vBHRLIoyeZEDwoq5AQ0EWag9SwEIALv4 uHXOl0FTnU92RRkmUm9Ox8EGRwWrzOca4kWMb9jnjsFjurelK9blm4YVzf7EMSBh rFwDQDB1afizRDbGymBTt2CM8Pf/u48ZrCjtKHm4BgX2yhBz/ijzfHhfpqIm7m8w stpTocB2Qk1zuwMpRxG08QtlcVwE8D11btqX2zZK8OXh015s6QP/Fe/DxHNDin1p KECCQ9tHSInGSt7pEnuXW+u/hmVM2iRFM075dcBAGfxaszLdFpxUqJw1SAin4k4x 1eSVzV8Yoa6HQzcbWvPUnh8/m8Gb8nfbyl/wpAIjg6tZpc9+NKQVLSuV3s/pyBF0 OK0lpdp2jGMV+tkbWmUAEQEAAYkBNgQYAQgAIBYhBAX5efRe1lmbwVUhHAm87qzA KlmVBQJZqD1LAhsMAAoJEAm87qzAKlmVVUcH+weKTiiDy3yqcEOc5lQmeAoXk9sS vwgZPwLJaWF7ts+TUyhG+776oK1jJ7ul+6c28dHgejOc5HYjIQVhAc3TMgW0q6O7 ItAXxNB++q0xSYW6DimJFpgyWWewdT9jWvSoia/RGmfuGhpNUzBuGTCWxFvXEqUV M7hPr8fpJ8wzTh+YWKrrU7hXAE+zhV2ZdhCutoZUTQOEXQawqrygEZUUNGW5WxIE 4rAhUTHedCtT+3QVqUayJIDzGTRMcbxkPuZ5Kg34AxWS8+ltYtSS7Ol2bwLIiP/v dk3UMNNgAQzKx1CdxgkDMrqGOShbBxa18lNwzD0gHegMuz+LZMN92z5kclY= =sEZu -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----


[2 Points] AWSLife:

The only thing I would suggest is to architect the computing environment properly. There are a lot of shitty configurations out there and if you do it right, your single mistakes won't get you thrown in jail.


[2 Points] OvrWtchAccnt:

Accept bitcoin.

PS don't provide people with passwords, that's bad.

Keep fee 2.5%, you will make money if you're successful. Or ask for dealer bonds.


[2 Points] fwda42h35hfgdfgd:

If u provide me with a retarded password then I'll have to save it somewhere. It's safest to keep a password inside my head...


[2 Points] MandyThatGirl:

Don't forget to start a left wing book club!


[2 Points] buttpirate778:

you are seriously straight up fucking retarded, and crowd sourcing your market suggestions and ideas is about the dumbest fucking thing i have ever read, you need to slap yourself and wake the fuck up because you honestly sound like you have no fuckin clue what you are doing, and i guarantee that you will not succeed, and if you somehow do, a total of 8 people will logon to your gay ass bullshit site that makes a password for you

people using the same password for multiple sites isnt a security flaw that gets markets shut down or compromised. if a stupid ass person or vendor uses the same password and loses control of their account its their own fuckign fault. you are so fucking retarded because you are putting so much effort and focussing on problems that dont even matter.

you know what you need to run a succesful market? how to design it so it doesnt get hacked or doesnt expose yourself in any other way. thats fucking all. it could be written in plain html with ugly ass geocities style pages and if people could safely buy drugs on it without getting ripped off you would be a billionaire, but your dumbass is focussing on faggot ideas like site generated passwords, only taking monero (who the fuck cares if bitcoin transactions can be traced, you can still buy coins with cash anonymously, and everyone fuckin uses them, one of your main points is a seed phrase which has been used by EVERY FUCKING OTHER MARKET)

you are such a fuckin retard, you are literally too god damn stupid to make this work

fucking reddit larper

crowdsourcing ideas on reddit for dnm ideas lol

you guys and stupid girl bitches (L O N D O N) giving him advice as if this faggot LARPer will actually succeed and make a market people will actually use are also deluded as fuck. he has no idea what he is doing. enjoy having your password generated for you by the market, you will have no fuckin idea if its stored or not and judging by the track record of markets you would have to be DUMB AS SHIT to trust this lol. "super secret algorithim" fucking lol lol olo fucking ive seen it all, you stupid normie fuck

you know who will make the next succesful market? some smart as fuck serbian computer fucker who never steps foot in america, someoen that doesnt even know this faggot website called reddit exists. you guys are fucking retarded normies living in the suburbs with no fucking street sense. if you grow up like this and have no idea of what kind of mindset you need to succeed in the underworld and only have your tech background you will fuck yourself over just like every other dumb fuck that bit off more than he could chew. it takes a right mix of gangster and computer whiz to do this shit and this idiot OP probably has neither.

i get that being polite is nice but if you dont fucking squash idiots like this from the get go, nip shit like this in the bud, you will all pay a price later when retards like this are allowed to flourish. special snowflake syndrome. bring back bullying. this retard needs to be shunned.


[1 Points] MagentaIsALie:

Enforce 2FA and you have a respectable niche in the market.

I'd suggest the 2FA was actually using bitcoin not GPG.

Providing passwords is a meh solution, how will people store them? Chances are in a plain text document.

If people aren't using a password manager this wont start that.


[1 Points] diOpAnonMu:

How long do you plan on remaining a one man support team?


[1 Points] mymuse100:

Fent and u4 allowed?????!?!?!?!


[1 Points] Droppin__6s:

Hash:SHA... hash sha... Hans Sa... HANSA


[1 Points] shitoleth:

I just made an account to weigh in here but the opioid crisis is still in full swing, and police-rightfully- have an obligation to stem the problem. Don't put yourself in the crosshairs.

Further, fent is just the tip of the iceberg, and I would recommend that you ban all opioids. Take the high road here, and think of all the lives you could possibly be responsible for.


[1 Points] assblow420:

forget about the password thing.. just have a banner on the registration page saying "DON'T BE A DICK!!! If you are about to reuse an existing password you are the low-hanging fruit that will likely have their account hacked by LE or some other piece of shit hacker/phisher.. U BEEN WARNED .....have a nice day, Support" Lesson u need to learn is keep things simple.. complexity fucks systems up.


[1 Points] blacklite911:

My opinion is that markets are practically dead. The Feds have cracked the system. It's better to do individual sites. Can be more fluid that way. Be like water.-Bruce Lee


[1 Points] 0bama_Care:

"new" like Pyramid and berlusconi market? Another pop up scam shop? What happened to Pyramid they were looking really good


[1 Points] FreshestNuts:

So you are going to have a list of all "vendor" and "buyer"'s passwords? Yea count me IN BUDDY!


[1 Points] bugsmourn:

i swear you the feds


[1 Points] needsomegoodgreen:

Good luck with that shit.


[1 Points] Cooney22:

Are you prepared to risk your freedom for this? Can we get some info on your technical background without violating opsec? No offense but this reads like a pipe dream college power point. Saying you have a market coming soon, yet you do not have a currency selected and then some of the other points leaves me to believe you have wrote 0% of the site. If this comes off as harsh I apologize, but the last few guys to mess this up are dead or in prison. You have not only your freedom to worry about, but ours as well. You will have some of the best tech people our government has trying to break and de-anonymize your site, can you code on that level?


[1 Points] CookyDough:

I think it's a great idea. We need well run markets, and we need more of them. I hope you have the chops and the dedication and that your project goes very well!

Currency is currently up for debate. It's being considered to be Monero(XMR) only for payments, tho this is just a consideration. I would like more input from the users on this step. Also have considered taking other cryptos aswell.

I think you should allow bitcoin and monero. If you don't allow bitcoin, you're going to be stifling market adoption. Your userbase will flounder. You need bitcoin support. Most people don't even know how to use Monero, and everybody knows how to use bitcoin. You might incentivies monero somehow and offer detailed guides on how best to use it to encourage its adoption. Bitcoin is essential. You must have it. Your market will not be widely used if you don't allow bitcoin. If up you want success, you need bitcoin to be an option.

I would like some input on whether or not I should restrict certain drugs, such as fent.. or anything else.

I think you should disallow fentanyl, fentanyl analogs, and counterfeit oxy/opioid pills pressed with fentanyl in them from your market. If you actually care about human life, then don't allow these on your market. A TRAIL OF DEAD BODIES WILL FOLLOW facilitated by your market if you allow fent. Let the other markets take that heat and absorb all that LE attention. Fentanyl is the #1 DEA priority currently. They have a very active "DEA Fentanyl Task Force" dedicated to taking down fentanyl suppliers. They are very serious about that. Just stay away from it, and avoid the non-stop problems, such as mass death, that are guaranteed to follow fentanyl distribution. The fentanyl problem is a disaster best avoided for everyone's sake.

There will NOT be a referral system. That shits dumb. Its a drug market not a pyrimid scheme to make money.

It's not a pyramid scheme. Please, look up pyramid scheme in Wikipedia. Ok, I'll link it for you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme.

Pyramid scheme

A pyramid scheme is a business model that recruits members via a promise of payments or services for enrolling others into the scheme, rather than supplying investments or sale of products or services. As recruiting multiplies, recruiting becomes quickly impossible, and most members are unable to profit; as such, pyramid schemes are unsustainable and often illegal.

The first part is right, but the second part is not.

As recruiting multiplies, recruiting becomes quickly impossible, and most members are unable to profit; as such, pyramid schemes are unsustainable

That is not the case with referral promotion of darknet sites.

What the affiliate/referral system actually is, is a harmless system that incentives people to promote your market for a tiny piece of the take. It's essentially super low cost advertising. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that which I can think of.

To begin, there will NOT be a forum, I may add one in later but there are too many risks that come with a forum. If one is added, it will be very simple to reduce possibility of exploits etc..

When or if you actually do eventually implement a forum, I would suggest you check out PunBB. The attack surface is quite small comparative to other forum software.

Regarding the name, ThePharmacy, I'm not a big fan of that idea. And why limit yourself to strictly, 100% drugs? No drug ebooks even? There could be better names thought up. Put it to a vote, perhaps? HiddenMarket, TradersMarket, FreeMarket, FreeMarketplace, DarkNetMarket (that one could be really good for your brand considering this sub's name.)... the list could go on and on with better names than ThePharmacy, so I hope you're not married to that one already. Some people dread going to the pharmacy in their hometown, so the name could brings up negative thoughts. Drugstor, for example, is a great name. I do believe it was used before for a short time, but that site is loooong gone. You could call it TheAgora or something derivative. You'd probably be overrun by users trying to sign up just thinking you're the same as the old, legendary, beloved Agora operators even if you made it clear you weren't them.


[1 Points] HooperScooper45:

Resistance to compulsory 2fa is simply so markets can get as many people to sign up and spend money asap....the markets dont give a fuck about security or safety. And they certainly dont wanna put anyone off by enforcing 2fa. And heres another shining example of said market. Just another scam waiting to happen.


[1 Points] throwawayzz810:

remember when BigMuscles said he was starting a new market and we should all invest, well i guess this is it:)


[1 Points] None:

Even if you create unique passwords for people they could still just use that password for all of the other markets. People will be lazy no matter what lmao


[1 Points] Nandy-bear:

If you're gonna provide passwords make it a sentence, not a few letters of random characters. It's kinda worrying that you don't know that.


[1 Points] BayLapse:

If you want it to gain traction, need to lift the drugs only rule Only put limits on Fent and Weapons That's what LE are focused on lately


[1 Points] flakRatty:

W


[1 Points] exmachinalibertas:

Well you clearly have no idea how information security works and I will not be touching your market with a ten foot pole. Thanks for openly advertising your incompetence, I very much appreciate it.


[0 Points] biggwuop:

FreeXone as the name

One rule: no rules


[0 Points] fwda42h35hfgdfgd:

Also I think markets should promote legalization. Maybe you should leave like a sentence below title for LE: "If you want this market gone, legalize drugs." It could be a start for revolution.


[-2 Points] Parallax26:

Accept bitcoin. Other than that, it sounds pretty dope