Why I always FE and not worry about getting burned!!

Just read a moronic post about NEVER EVER NEVER and if you did you are an idiot and deserve to lose all your money.

Who ever wrote this is a 16 year old kid trying to buy drugs who has no idea what he/she is doing, because they don't understand the basic fundamentals of business and commerce. You want your vendors to make money so they will never rip you off. The more money the vendor makes, the less they will rip you off.

If you don't FE with a well reputable vendor, then they lose money when bitcoin goes down in value. Sometimes bitcoin goes down 20% (or more) in a week. What kind of shitty business model is this.

are there are vendors you should never FE?...yes

are there are vendors you should sometimes FE ?.....yes

are there vendors you should always FE? for sure

Now if you mixed a vendor that you should never or sometimes FE and FE'd with them thinking its 100% safe...that is a mistake.

99% of my purchases I FE..why....because I choose top vendors who are trustworthy, have a long time great reputation that I have a long purchase history with.

I want my vendor to succeed, I don't want my vendors loosing money while BTC are falling. I am greatfull for their hard work giving me drugs that nobody else on earth would bother giving me risking long term jail sentences.

Before you FE, at least take your time research them on reddit, communicate with them a few times, ask to buy without FE the first time to see how their stealth is..etc..etc..then one day FE always with them. In other words, DO YOU FREAKING HOMEWORK KID!!!

Here are the vendors that I always fe with.

crazy-eights

(old) appollonian (new apollo is a douche and would never buy from him again)

instrument

gammagoblin

unclepsychedelic

houselannister

canadianforger

polira

alice in holland (RIP)

if you are looking to save 5 dollars by picking a shady vendor and FEing and you never bothered to create a relationship, then that is your fault. Don't tell others if FEing is bad cuz you got burned.

I only lost money once time by FEing, and that was 100% my fault for not doing my homework and having bad judgement...but agora refunded my money so its all good.

Should you FE? yes if you know whats up.

And always thank you vendors after receiving your totally illegal drugs in the mail.

Peace


Comments


[11 Points] 1ReviewReviewer1:

Other then that one 'Never FE' thread, I think the general opinion of the DNM community isn't an issue about Finalizing Early, but more about choosing reputable vendors since 9 out of 10 of the 'I got scammed' threads seem to ignore that by FE with unknown vendors.


[7 Points] Badass_moose:

Not sure I agree with "the more money the vendor makes, the less they will rip you off." Haizenberg had thousands of customers a month and was making more money than most vendors on any DNM and was a consistent selective scammer. Fuckers get greedy, no matter how much money they have, they will cut corners to get more.


[6 Points] tvgn9545:

A vendor stands a 50/50 chance of the BTC value going up or down on a daily basis. On average they should break even in the long run. And, if the price goes down, they can hold the BTC until the price goes up, which means unless they are living on BTC day to day, they have better odds of making money than losing money on the fluctuations. If they have to rely on short term turnaround however, this month is reasonable to require FE, if they have a high rating, given the recent downward trend in BTC.


[3 Points] Theeconomist1:

So an interesting thought experiment - do you think escrow allows shitty vendors to operate far longer than they would otherwise? So the reason I say that is that escrow gives the buyer more confidence that they won't be screwed, but they can be screwed or scammed in other ways. I think escrow actually gives otherwise shitty vendors a long life b/c people will say "fuck it, its escrow, I'll use vendor XYZ b/c no way I can lose otherwise." But we know that's not always the case, vendor XYZ can suddenly tell a buyer that he needs to FE in order to get his product shipped, which seems to work. They can do other obvious things to scam the buyer.

Now, I think escrow serves an important function. The way I view escrow is that its a great tool for the new vendor with no reputation. It allows the vendor to build a reputation - it'll either be a good one or a bad one. True, escrow keeps some shitty vendors in line, but we shouldn't view escrow as that b/c I think it keeps shitty vendors around longer. If we were always FE'ing, I believe we'd be playing things differently and not be as forgiving when a vendor slips.

I feel if I use a vendor and don't trust them to a degree (hell, we are both criminals on both side of hte deal, healthy suspicion is fine), I won't use them, even with escrow. In other words, I want to use only vendors I'd trust to FE. Now, I'm not saying I'll FE all the time nor am advising that. I FE with a vendor I use and have no problems with that. Also, if I do get burned on a FE deal, that's on me, but I'm not playing with money that'll hurt me.

Escrow though is a great tool for new vendors or for trying out a vendor for the first time. Unfortunately, I think escrow allows shitty vendors to be around longer than they would otherwise if escrow wasn't around. I think the buyer would be more discerning if escrow wasn't around. Again, I'm not saying escrow should go away, all I'm saying is there should be some happy median - escrow shouldn't be used to give shitty vendors a lifeline. Which unfortunately I think happens too often.

Did any of that make sense? I'm all over the place right now. LOL


[3 Points] sullyrb:

what a stupid thread.


[1 Points] theprophetofDNM:

i agree, also, i wouldnt be surprised if some kid1 were fucking over another kid2 and the kid2 that got fucked over would make a bad review about a legit vendor when really they got the shit and that kid1 just never says a peep about the package to kid2, that would fuck over reputable vendors

-theprophetofDNM "i called it"


[1 Points] None:

Thanks for reitterating this. Its the same model i go by and i havent been ripped off yet (knock on wood). And ive been around since close to the beginning. It really is all about research. Thats why these subs play an important role for us. As much as ppl knock reddit and what not, it is helpful.


[1 Points] agorathrow80:

Whats the alice in holland thing....with the RIP...just gone...or did something happen? I havent been on much and had an order cone thru right before the shutdowns


[1 Points] toss-1:

THIS:

>Other then that one 'Never FE' thread, I think the general opinion of the DNM community isn't an issue about Finalizing Early, but more about choosing reputable vendors since 9 out of 10 of the 'I got scammed' threads seem to ignore that by FE with unknown vendors.>

Thanks 1RR1 that summarizes perfectly