Beware of TMG: It is slowly turning into the new Hidden Wiki

This post may get some flak, but the garden has truly lost its magic over the past 1 year. It is no longer the place it used to be - I know, because I have been there longer than some of the newbies who have shilled and trolled hard too to get to a 500 post count.

Around last year and the year before that, you could genuinely meet wonderful people from the DNM scene on the gardens, people who if you meet in real life you would hit it off in an instant. All of those old users have disapeared, one by one - to be replaced, alarmingly, by re-sellers of JoR and TT, along with their innumerable countless shill accounts.

Just today, one of their so called "Shining star" vendors SCI-DMT (A JoR resell-er) made an exit scam with an estimated 30-50 BTC stolen from users. Just last week, another scammer called Samantha made away with several user's money pretending to offer LSD Crystal for cheap prices. This has to be the dumbest scam ever - Yet, you will not believe the number of people over there who fell for this scam. Some dude even gave this Samantha person $890 even though she did not even have any prior feedback, vending history or market account whatsoever. I am really wondering if money grows on trees for these people. Then there was Bear's choice who scammed over $10000 via direct deals. These are just scams off the top of the head, look closely there are dozens more.

I am not even going to talk in detail about the Indian shit show over there. I have lost track of the number of posts of these elitist Indian pricks who are crying out after getting scammed there over the last month. I read some estimate that these indians have plundered over $3000 on TMG alone.

So coming to my point, I am not trying to shame TMG, just going to put it here that it is no longer the "Majestic" place it once was. Today it is merely a shill and scam garden, devoted to re sellers of JoR and TT. Anyone else with a different product is getting thrown out without even a fair chance to vend. At the other end of the spectrum, half of JoR and TT re-sellers have turned out to be nothing more than scams.

I think it is a good time to consider the shambolic state of the market there. Time and again, they have let shit brewers go unchecked and make a scene there. There are dudes like coldcuts/axisfromspace/xtc-lsd etc. who are nothing but mere trolls; but on TMG they occupy (or used to, before they got belatedly banned ) some sort of an imaginary high pedestal - butting their heads in things that dont even concern them, just to increase their post counts.

One of the best vendors I have ever ordered from on DNMs, Albion - A legendary star vendor - is no longer actively vending over there. JoR has priced his minimums out of everyone's reach. Minimum order of 500g MDMA with no reviews, no EC tests? Yeah, blow me. Plus no one has forgotten the fiasco with his so called 99.9% pure xtal giving a 80% pure result when tested by EC. JoR and his shills (called Clergy) tried every possible trick to discredit EC, talked crap all day long about chemical structure but still weren't able to justify the poor purity. Over time, the spotlight on the result just faded, and the smart business man that JoR is, raised his Xtal minimums buys from 50/100mg to a whole 1g - which puts it out of the reach of 99% of us - and nobody can send anything further for testing. And also supposedly discontinued the #1/#5 - whats the purity of the new #6/#12, it is anyone's wild guess. It is still advertised as 99.9% I guess.

GG's products are hit and miss - there are more reviews for his underdosed tabs than his accurately dosed tabs, if you ask me. TT still seems on song, but good luck to anyone who can order personal/small time resale amounts of TT himself without going through a re-seller and getting scammed in the process. There are still a few legit vendors out there - these are vendors who have earned their reputation through markets (eg. Noumena) but the quality of users and vendors has relatively dwindled over the last year.

It is come to a point where at the moment, TMG is merely a paradise for trolls, shit posters and scammers. I would strongly advice everyone to demand escrow from all these vendors if you don't want to blow up your hard earned money in smoke.


Comments


[23 Points] None:

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[14 Points] wecando4star:

Yo sayin it like it ought to be said

Ive seen time an again bitches from tmg talk shit about other drugs users out here, "methheads" "coke addicts" and "heroin abusers" but every one of em there sonsofbitches is the exact same ill tell you

they would never pass the opportunity to fuck someone up if they had the chance

just dwelling in a puddle with other wookies elevates there ego make them think so much more of themselves it fucking despicable


[11 Points] None:

I am just glad there are no scammers on Reddit or AB or Dream.


[11 Points] murderhomelesspeople:

It is slowly turning into the new Hidden Wiki

shots fired

some sort of an imaginary high pedestal

Yeah I don't know anyone around here like that


[9 Points] drugfreekid:

The Majestic garden was always simply a cover for JoRs vending. The site is most likely hosted by them. 97% of the vendors on there were JoR resellers or simply JoR himself, probably under different aliases. It's not unreasonable to think JoR is not pretending to be one of his various resellers. Not pointing fingers, but have a look at GG's website and JoRs. The programming, down to the interface overlap by an alarming degree.

JoR has also slowly poisoned everyone on there with his free acid. Instead of bribing people directly with BTC (probably does that too) he gives out 50mg of acid a month to the clergy (bonafide shills) and is throwing around acid left and right by making harmless competitions for various things. It seems people don't think it's quite bribing when you give people free LSD instead of money.

Then there is the fact that people seem to have to lost their wits on there. When has "All of our crystal lines are regularly tested by ourselves and the community. Lately we only work with crystals that test 95 percent pure or better, typically closer to 97 percent." been accepted as fact from any vendor? If JoR and Co. we're testing so much fucking acid you'd think they would post some results no? Maybe fund some EC tests with all the money they make? I mean since when does anyone trust the meaningless words on a .onion over actual chemical testing? JoR writes this BS about how the different #number strains are somewhere between 97-98% pure or 98-99% pure when the one Energy control test made showed his acid as 80% pure. Did anyone refute that? No, instead confusion arose when posters were questioning whether it was the freebase or tartrate salt that EC uses as a reference. ENERGY CONTROL USES THE SALT AS THEIR REFERENCE. Now that DNM avengers is down we can't see the posts, but the thread for his acid only had 3 pages and he was among the last posters there, writing some excuse. The thread was then untouched for several weeks, as though forgotten. All that remained was a bunch of confusion to the chemically naive.

GammaGoblin who admits to being a JoR reseller, and likely has been for more time than we know has consistently had problems with his acid. Yet again they are refunding orders for underdosed tabs. This seems to be a recurring theme. No libel, I love GG but the fact remains that they have a recurring problem with their JoR sourced acid.

Lastly, let us not forget the fiasco with them purging accounts? I have no memory what caused that anymore (DDOS?) but they basically deleted most normal user accounts, however conicindetaly left the JoR clergy and shills totally intact. It is as though they wanted to make the place more of a market then integrated forum + market. The mods? Probably JoR staff or at least on their payroll as they do nothing about these shit eating pricks sucking peoples virtual wallets dry, so long as JoR and cronies can promote their LSD infused propaganda and deceptive marketing.

The majestic garden really died after they purged a bunch of accounts and the mods stopped giving a single fuck about these vendors who are scamming people through PMs and just opening up shop saying "we're brand fucking new and sell acid. You can trust us to not steal your BTC. We're on TMG and we also take acid, so we're like automatically ethical dude."

tl;dr

One of the best vendors I have ever ordered from on DNMs, Albion - A legendary star vendor - is no longer actively vending over there. JoR has priced his minimums out of everyone's reach. Minimum order of 500g MDMA with no reviews, no EC tests? Yeah, blow me. Plus no one has forgotten the fiasco with his so called 99.9% pure xtal giving a 80% pure result when tested by EC. JoR and his shills (called Clergy) tried every possible trick to discredit EC, talked crap all day long about chemical structure but still weren't able to justify the poor purity. Over time, the spotlight on the result just faded, and the smart business man that JoR is, raised his Xtal minimums buys from 50/100mg to a whole 1g - which puts it out of the reach of 99% of us - and nobody can send anything further for testing. And also supposedly discontinued the #1/#5 - whats the purity of the new #6/#12, it is anyone's wild guess. It is still advertised as 99.9% I guess.


[4 Points] ag0risthooawayyfoe:

Direct deals are always more sketchy, sure if you have a good relationship with a vendor or they're highly trusted you might get away with it, but there's really no reason not to use escrow. AB, Hansa and DHL have multisig, I don't see why you wouldn't take advantage of it. Especially with Hansa where it's 100% multisig and the market has no incentive to exit rather than continuing to earn commission.

Just because someone sells LSD doesn't make them immune to greed and/or being a shitty person, in fact I feel like it's easier for them to hide behind the rhetoric of "love and light" or whatever making it harder to tell if they're a scumbag. Of course tguk acted like a normal person and turned out to be a normal scumbag vendor. But forums always have trolls and elitists, and it's not like this sub doesn't have shills too...I think the main issue here is with DD.


[2 Points] frictiondick:

I don't even know who to get domestic lsd from anymore without fear of undose or exit scam. All the good venders are gone.


[2 Points] FEdUpdateLater:

Yeah beware of these "TT Resellers." Paid LucidVertigo on the 1st and still nothing.


[2 Points] None:

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[2 Points] adruglessman:

What /u/drugfreekid said is probably true, I don't know. I haven't used that place since house left. I always did direct deals with house and regardless of whether HoS was a JoR reseller or the same person (I wouldn't doubt it), when HoS was around the acid was primo. Not sure what happened since then.


[2 Points] None:

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[1 Points] jiwki:

GG is good though, the fuck you talking about?


[1 Points] None:

Why doesn't TT sell their own tabs? I use Hansa and drparagon and some other people with a lot less rep claim to be selling TT acid.


[1 Points] None:

What would y'all say about Cosmic Dust? Idk if shitcomment, but I'm curious about the fellow, and if anyone has had any experience/input on the shining star?


[1 Points] xanax_xombie:

I only suggest NW-Buds over there for vendors (bud), everything else I stick to markets, but NW-Buds is a great vendor buried in the new vendor part of the site somewhere.


[1 Points] Iggitybiggitty:

Lsd is still the cheapest and most accurately dosed its ever been thanks to tt and jor.

I'm cool with that.


[1 Points] Those_Good_Vibes:

I'm still confused. Why would SCI-DMT post that he's sick and close shit down before bailing? If he were purposefully exit scamming, wouldn't he have kept quiet and taken in more money?


[1 Points] Nano-Bunny:

As with any underground or private group, once it reaches a certain size or popularity it stops being a safe place and everything that once made it great goes away. It just means it's time to move to something new or different and start it all over again. I wouldn't be surprised if all the veterans and big wigs have already started building or moving on the next endeavor.


[1 Points] jackott:

TT will scam you, either a fake vendor account not shipping or you will get an RC, good scam if you ask me and everyone falls for it.


[1 Points] Selectivescammer1:

IMO TMG has not been so good since JOR took a step back from selling and all his recommended sellers came in and started hiking up the prices for everything.

JOR's prices were excellent, with discounts on future purchases, and the quality from the feedback was consistently high. It's more of a shit show now, and poorer quality crystal, you still get top quality but the prices for crystal is so high, and the jor certified vendors just want to keep the crystal to themselves mainly or sell it at such a high price there is little competition for them to sell their own self laid tabs.


[1 Points] Selectivescammer1:

Basically where has all the well priced crystal gone from TMG?

Violet Indigo is a good vendor, but try getting some crystal from him thats not thouasands of pounds more expensive than it was under JOR


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] johnbonjovial:

who is TT vendor. And please, what is EC and how do you go about getting drugs tested with them ? Thanks. Im new to this and have just joined TMG and The Church. I can see how this scene gets clique'y alright.


[0 Points] None:

As a reputable vendor who does tons of business through TMG I find your post offensive and inaccurate I also resell team Trust products and you won't find one negative complaint about me.... you're blaming the market as a whole for shitty vendors actions they can't control what people do, this crap happens on every Markettho, but at TMG we do monitor all new vendors closely and if anyone does get away with any money it usually isn't very much because we stopped it in time


[0 Points] speedfleek:

If you didn't see the SCI-DMT exit scamming coming for months now, you deserved to have your money taken.


[0 Points] zicot123:

HAHA, guess who gets the last laugh!?!?!

Here I am - called a scammer, a shiller - for calling out all the people on TMG who are actually scammers and shillers. Guess who has the last laugh now!??!

I have been calling out these vendors since day one - and guess what happened? I got banned from TMG! Now who realizes who is correct.

TMG a year ago used to be a haven for intelligent folks wanting to meet others who thought like them, tripped like them. But over the last year it has dissolved into a TT/JOR resale haven with nazi like moderators who have their heads up their asses collaborating with certain vendors and will do ANYTHING it takes to show they aren't.

Now who has the last laugh, bitches! (Rick Sanchez voice from Rick and Morty)

You've got three to four trolls from TMG coming on Reddit trying to expose me for a scammer - yet they were just caught red-handed trying to frame me.

I am nobody special - there are a few other LSD vendors who are selling quality product and are completely legitimate with a high code of morals and ethics. But these mafakas at TMG - they just got exposed hardcore.

Apologies for the inappropriate language, but it feels goooooood for the truth to be exposed.


[-2 Points] None:

You can't blame it on the market because a vendor exits though if that was the case you wouldn't have to blame every Market every time any vendor exited are you retarded please tell me you're wearing your helmet... not to mention it has more reputable vendors than just about any other Market, vendors exit all the time.... you should be thankful there is a market where groups liketeam trust are trying to make this place better


[-7 Points] jackofourteen:

dont' say i didnt warn yall about using shit vendors selling rc instead of lsd