How LE Posters Work

LOW INTERNET GRUNT LE

Usually an innocent sounding question. Easy to spot. GRUNT1 (low LE grunt): " Been away for awhile, what are the new markets? Anyone help me out?" "So is "vendorname" the new top go to where does he ship from?" "Anyone know where "" ships from?" meanwhile they have a 2 month history asking prying questions and never helping the community. That guy was your rookie, next guy is more invested.

MEDIUM DNM undercover: Will have months back of cover. He may or may not have regular looking posts on their accounts. Be wary of lots of suspicious questions. They can befriend targets for many months. They may not necessarily target users or buyers but they will use them to take over organization that they can infiltrate. If they are low on their list they may infiltrate r/DNMs and install other Medium DNM undercover as intel for going after the next organization. If they are more advanced they aim higher.

The Number 3 Guy. Every LE wants to be him. The medium DNM undercover wishes his bust will grant a small glance towards him, making him as proud as possible.

edit: these are just thoughts. not a hand book. add to the convo. we need more sneaky opsec ideas and threat reduction


Comments


[102 Points] investinwaffles:

The Number 4. guy: Act like you know what LE does to earn trust.


[24 Points] JburnaDNM:

They don't have to ask anyone where they ship from, they just order. Everything they need to see intel wise is in the vendors stats on whatever market the vendors is vending on. then when they receive the order they get the rest of the info like where they ship from, stealth, product, etc. They can see who the big vendors are just by looking at market stats.

Most of the busts have come from slip-ups, shit opsec, snitches/doxxing. LE doesn't have the resources to have one person spend their time trying to become a mole here. They can gather enough info off the markets, vendor reviews here, placing orders, or waiting for the vendor to slip up.


[13 Points] GreenSupremacy:

OP is right.

"COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..

There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'

Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'

A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com...) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'

Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'

Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.

Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'

Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.

Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'

It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.

CONCLUSION

Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ."


[8 Points] None:

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[7 Points] allismokeisls:

Ive had one of those low LE grunts no bullshit, faggot ass niggah asking all type of stupid questions


[5 Points] FuzzyBacon:

Guess I should go ahead and unsub then. I've been out of the game of years (since shortly before sr1.0 went down) and kinda wanted to get back into it, but I'd be asking two of thr le1 questions (namely, where does Gammagoblin hang his hat these days, dude had fantastic paper 4-5 years ago).


[3 Points] itsalaughinggas:

The #4 Guy: sitting in his La-Z-Boy nodding out with tomato soup spilled on his polo


[5 Points] None:

I do none of those things...


[4 Points] None:

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[1 Points] FriendlyDrugUser:

Not everyone fishing for info is LE, I've asked plenty of questions and gotten called LE a few times. GO figure with my name right?


[3 Points] GDSGFT2SCKCHSRS:

So I shouldn't read the /u/Alpraking guide on how to be a internet drug kingpin?!


[4 Points] melatonin321:

The number 6 Guy: becomes moderator of /r/darknetmarkets.


[4 Points] bebopx2:

You are paranoid . Why would LE waste resources to read teeny-boppers reddit posts?


[3 Points] JohnTSchmitz:

You are high, I can tell. Stop playing "Where's Waldo?" with the DEA, because who cares? But if you must, undercovers are usually plugged into pivotal roles of one kind or another. And they lurk. They're not the ones asking dumb questions ... because they actually know more about what's going on around here than anybody.

Here's another hint: Most people don't know this, but cops have excellent senses of humor.

If you need something to do, get yourself a fidget spinner. Or maybe see if you can spot BBMC.


[2 Points] coffeencreme:

I dunno. Sometimes I think there will be Le here because it's so accessible but other times I think why would they be when you can easily find everything you need to know elsewhere?


[2 Points] None:

Number 5: LE hacker God with no morals and restraints.


[2 Points] whatisthisplace1234:

what about the guy who "hacks" markets for their own safety?


[2 Points] DNM_FuckFace:

Here's a possible scenario I came across the other day on my vendor account.

"Hi there I was looking for some good "insert product" and see you are domestic so I feel safer. Can you tell me exactly what you use for you stealth to reassure it will land. Looking forward to my first purchase with you"

exactly what you use for stealth.

I mean c'mon


[1 Points] eliterussianhaxxor:

CANT EDIT MY MAIN POST. MUST'VE RILED the CENSOR POLICE. OR IS THIS NORMAL?


[1 Points] AgentOrange256:

damn bro, thats some spy shit


[1 Points] KidCop:

Yes! Hello been gone awhile and I am interested in purchasing one or more DARK NET MARKETS please advise.

Please list you given Christian name (unless your name is Christian) and a good local address for you. It is necessary that I check to make sure you are not a POLICE OFFICER. Many people try to deceive those of us with interest in DARK NET MARKETS.

Thanks again please advise.