(PSA/Article) Recrystalized Stealthbomber's MDMA. Disappointed.

*Disclaimer - Disappointed is not a fair statement as my results were slightly inconclusive. Even if the compound experienced 50% loss due to bad quality, the cost more than offsets this. *

Finally getting around to reviewing an old order. The product was received and had a very dark amber color to it. Obvious impurities, but par the course for most MDMA. I decided to take the time to recrystalize a sample and had disappointing results. Before I continue, please do not read too deep into this, the vendor obviously has endless positive feedback. I am however fairly familiar with this process and use high grade IPA when it is performed. In this particular instance I was a little short on patience and it may have had an effect on the amount reclaimed.

To 600mg MDMA was added 3mL room temperature IPA. The solution was set on a hot plate and allowed to boil. Upon reaching boiling 3 additional mL was added drop-wise until all MDMA was dissolved.

The solution was removed from heat and allowed to cool to room temperature. The solution was noted as having a strong amber color. Rather than continue to slowly cool the solution it was immediately placed in a cooling apparatus set to -10c. After approximately 40 minutes, crystals precipitated from the solution. The crystals were filtered from the solution and set aside to dry. The crystals where very fine and white with the expected shimmer. The filtered solvent was returned to the cooling apparatus. The dry crystals were weighed. From 600mg of material only 315mg of material was recovered. Typical loses for very high quality MDMA is in the 5% to 10% range. This may either be a result of a sloppy tech or very impure MDMA. Next time I will try a simpler acetone wash, rather than recryst.

I am curious as to what the impurities could be. The very last step of manufacturer is salting. mdma.freebase has a distinctly amber color and familiar anise scent. Perhaps the chemist did not gas the solvent long enough?

I am going to try to reclaim the material left over from the evaporated IPA and try to salt it. Perhaps the impurity is in fact mdma without an HCL?

edit: Further Research:

A small sample of the reclaimed IPA was tested with marquis reagent. The reagent certainly indicated positive for MDMA. This would indicate that some mdma is left in solution (expected) but may also help prove that the assumed impurities may be mdma.freebase anyway.

As a control to the marquis test a sample of clean IPA was tested and shown to have no reaction.


Comments


[7 Points] None:

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[3 Points] 1ugly:

It seems you are typing out your results followed by your tought process in which you find inconclusive. Im not sure about all of the chem specifics but ending a claim with a question leads me to believe you are confused by the results and therefore the claim on the title, misleading.


[3 Points] None:

Did you you 99% IPA, if not you would lose a significant amount in the h2o present and it would not crash back out of solution.

Also amount of ipa to pure mdma is 3ml per gram mdma, it's possible you used to much ipa which would again reduce your yield.

seems like your proceedure could be questionable


[3 Points] Vendor_BBMC:

Forget all that nonsense. That was a single-solvent recrystalization without filtration.

Just boil the ipa off and try this:-

Get two small pyrex bowls, a plastic funnel and something to hold the funnel above one of the bowls like a small box with one side cut out and a hole in the top for the funnel spout.

Prepare a "charmin filter". Take two squares of white unscented toilet roll and fold them into one double-ply square. Then fold again, then again to give a long thick strip.

Fold this in half, then in half again to form a V. Use a chopstick to push the point of the V down into the funnel neck. This is the best filter for removing particulates, Im not joking. Your filter is ready,

in the other bowl, cover the crushed MDMA with dry acetone. On a hotplate, bring this to a simmer, and add water,dropwise, with stirring from the chopstick.

When nearly all of the solid has dissolved in this boiling wet acetone and no more appears to be dissolving, lift the bowl up and dump its contents quickly into the funnel.

The acetone which is filtered and ends up in the bowl is covered in clingfilm and allowed to cool slowly, then moved to the freezer.

When its removed, you will end up with a bowl coated with little MDMA diamonds, and some acetone with brown (and a little MDMA) in it.

MDMA is usually racemic, so it doesn't like to form big crystals.


This is a simplified version of the simplest recrystalization BBMC perform to purify our meth. Its not a quantitative measure of purity, because you will lose some MDMA at each stage. Its to make your MDMA as pure as possible.

Its pointless making MDMA too pure. Most of the impurities are inactive, and you don't smoke it so you wont taste them.


[2 Points] mdmathrowawy:

The crystals were filtered from the solution and set aside to dry.

What kind of filter?

From 600mg of material only 315mg of material was recovered.

I think you called it with sloppy tech here. Losing just 60mg of material would be a 10 percent loss. It would help to run a lot more material.

Typical loses for very high quality MDMA is in the 5% to 10% range.

Where did you find these numbers?


[1 Points] scruffwuff:

It is odd how it varies so much from batch to batch with each vendor


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] hdheuud:

Why do you gotta say this shit while i have weight on the way?


[1 Points] KevlarNChrome:

Question for the chem geeks in this thread, (sorry for the topic diversion, but you guys seem to know your shit) do you know anything about crystallizing from freebase into a different salt form than HCL? Is it just easier/more effective than crystallizing to another form or does it change the bioavailability and mental or physical effects if it's not HCL? Thanks in advance, I've always been curious about this.