In the Wake of Quantik: Prepping for a Surge in Benzo Withdrawals

Assuming there is something to the recent posts about Quantik, QuantikUSA, XanaxBaron etc., LE may be on the verge of taking down some of North America's biggest benzo vendors. This will cause the supply of bars to dry up almost immediately thereafter. And a whole lot of bartards are about to run out of alprazolam tablets and find doctors generally won't write 30+mg a day Xanax scripts for 15 year-olds.

The Grand Wizard has been asked a couple times about benzo withdrawal kits. We have never wanted to go there because benzo addiction is beyond our pay grade. Kicking opiates is hell, but you will neither die nor suffer permanent damage from the experience. Benzo withdrawal can kill you or leave you with permanent tics, seizures or other neurological damage. But we've had a lot of kids gobbling heavily-dosed alp presses like candy for months. And they are soon going to learn why that is a very, very bad idea.

What would help those who have been involuntarily stripped of their bartard status? We don't want to sell benzos but it would be nice if someone made diazepam readily available -- getting the bartards off short-acting to long-acting benzos will make the taper easier and ITGWRC diazepam is the drug of choice for the Ashton Protocol. Lobali had a friend who was doing tapers using liquid suspensions of etizolam: we spoke about it when she was still here. That would also be a possibility, although it could easily become its own habit.

Any other suggestions as to what we can do would be greatly appreciated. Because while he hopes he is wrong the Grand Wizard has seen the bartard future and it ain't pretty.


Comments


[88 Points] WightOut:

If your in benzo wd this serious you need to straight up go to a hospital


[28 Points] GrandWizardsLair:

High-CBD cannabis is definitely good anti-seizure medicine and we hope some of our DNM marijuana vendors step up to the plate and start making more high-CBD strains available.

The Grand Wizard agrees that the game went on after Frank Lucas and Pablo Escobar got popped. But the game had been going on long before they started playing. The whole "bartard" phenomenon only started a couple years ago, if that: it was fueled by the availability of cheap alprazolam powder and presses from China. And while somebody will almost certainly step in to take Quantik's place when/if he gets busted, there will definitely be a noticeable dry spell for those who relied on Q as their primary or sole source of bulk xanax. Which means the folks downstream from them are going to feel it as well. Sure, we'll see a new Quantik in a couple weeks just like we saw a new XanaxKing (Quantik) after that bust. But until that new person shows up we could see a lot of kids getting a first-hand introduction to the wonderful world of GABA readjustment.


[12 Points] None:

I agree, benzo withdrawal is serious. If anybody needs any help with Xanax addiction with all this QUSA BS going on, I have successfully tapered of benzos 3 times from 40mg+ a day. I can help people with no access to Valium, because while it is harder to taper without Valium, it is possible. I wasn't able to access Valium the first time because I was a fugitive. The second time I had already done my time, and it was so much easier with Valium. I believe Q said a while back he would be vending Valium. Not sure what happened with that though.

Edit: Didn't know you were asking for help, but I could help with taper schedules. I have no access to Valium though.


[10 Points] Dnm_cunt:

It's genuinely scares me when I think about the benzo withdrawals I used to through, and what all these kids are about to go through. It's horrible, worst experience of my life by a long shot.


[9 Points] None:

Anyone coming off a high-dosage of benzos should head to hospital immediately. You will almost certainly at least suffer a seizure at the high-end and need to be around people. Lower doses it depends on your ability to deal with what will be absolutely horrible, but manageable. In my own time I came off using (1) booze (knocking myself out, more or less, until it passed, obviously risky) and (2) hospital where I came off them for good.


[8 Points] None:

Gabapentin/Lyrica and clonidine are the only things I've found that somewhat help. Phenobarbital is sometimes prescribed as well to help prevent seizures.

If you really want to help people get off benzos please start offering 2mg or 5mg diazepam tablets. I am on a diazepam taper right now and it is nearly impossible to find any Valium offered on the markets dosed at less than 10mg. This makes doing an Ashton taper incredibly difficult and involves attempting to cut the pills into minute pieces while maintaining accuracy.

I would literally sing your praises for the rest of your vending career if you brought affordable low dose diazepam to the market.


[7 Points] fuckintristan:

I genuinely empathize for all those effected by this, especially those about to face the horror of withdrawal. You're all a bunch of bartards but I really do hope you guys are okay. Just be strong.


[6 Points] an_illegal_smile:

I've wondered this exact thing, right down to the recovery kit.

There are still clearnet RC benzos that are fairly safe -- etiz like everyone mentions, but there are a couple of others that at least have had some level of scientific human trials.

I hate this. Ordering grand pianos in a phenazepam haze is one thing, people seizing and dying en masse is another. It feels stupid as hell to blame a drug, but fuck bars.


[6 Points] Pelican_Vendor:

GWL I would be willing to help but I know nothing.


[4 Points] LedLevee:

Don't offer this GWL. Like you said, it's above your paygrade.

Some shithead orders your "Benzo withdrawal kit" and it doesn't work for some reason, you don't want that on you, right? He either gobbles the whole kit because he wants to get rid of the shakes; he thinks it'll work but it wasn't enough of a dose and he still seizes out; he doesn't go to the hospital because he thinks your kit will help him while he has a serious WD symptoms. The reasons are endless. It's not your fault for the bartard dying, but you didn't help them at all. You're giving them a hope of something they can't have.

Don't offer these idiots a band-aid when they need a cast.

If you're on a high-dose benzo habit, you need to go to the ER. Not make an appointment with your doc for in two weeks. ER. Tell them you're addicted and you can't get your fix. If they don't believe you, just sit there until you start seizing and they'll put you on something.


[4 Points] tarheel343:

Theoretically, law enforcement is supposed to protect and serve the community, but this thread shows that the DNM community cares a whole lot more about protecting and serving than LE ever has.


[5 Points] donjuan75:

It is a long dangerous process. Its Time to fes up to mom and dad (or someone you trust) you will need their help and remember to take it graciously. Be absolutely truthful about your current dosage, don't need to tell them anything else., medical help is advised.


[4 Points] None:

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[5 Points] None:

If anyone has followed up on the young boy that was born with epilepsy they might have a notion of what to do. They administered benzos of course. But while watching one of the weed wars shows, there's a part about CBD being much more successful. Successful as in, as long as this kid get's some CBD, he doesn't have a seizure during the day. They used THC (THCa, if I'm not wrong) to help him get off the benzos. Just an idea. Would love to hear from others on this though.


[4 Points] None:

Its times like this, good ole Rorschach is so happy his drug of choice is meth!!!!! Meth is life :-) TBH, this Quantik really is a nobody in the bigger picture, Frank Lucas (American Gangster) Pablo Escobar were much bigger cogs in the illegal drug trade & guess what, business went on after both were out. So, as we all get a good laugh over the tears of bartards hitting the ground, just remember this, one guy goes away, 3 more pop up to take his place. There is no longevity in being a drug lord. It won't take that long before the next guy steps up & is able to supply the markets with enough supply that all the bartards will line up to lick his nut sack!!!!


[3 Points] AstraPharmaceuticals:

having a good k-pin for Valium vendor is gunna be needed!


[2 Points] jakichan77:

RC benzos are gonna save lives


[2 Points] The-Master-Lurker:

Sometimes you gotta learn the hard way.


[2 Points] DrQuarters_:

TGW, this is why I respect you so much. You are doing god's work. May I make a suggestion though. The Ashton Manual was written at a point in time when Diazepam was the go-to in emergency rooms and hospitals around the country. Since then, though, new research has been brought to light on valium, and its haphazard dispersion rate. To over simplify, it is absorbed by your fat and then released as a time bomb, but no one remembers how much time they put on the clock.

For this reason, I would consider, not recommend, Clonazepam in its place. Not the bananatrils, those are too damn tasty. I would also add a small amount of a short acting benzo to the package, something with a low-er abuse potential, like Ativan, if that is something that will fall out of the turban when shook hard enough. Adding short acting pills may seem counterproductive, but sometimes, during a benzodiazepine withdrawal, you realize that you didn't take enough of your long acting benzo, and its too late. You can almost feel the seizure coming. In these instances, it is good to throw something low dosed and short acting into the mouth, to hopefully quell any seizures that were coming on.

For anyone going through benzo withdrawal, If you cannot wrap your head around the Ashton manual, or you are having multiple seizures, I will make myself available. I have gone through benzo withdrawal multiple times personally, and I would not wish that experience on anyone. It is truly horrible.

I just read your comment about high CBD cannabis, and I think that is an amazing Idea, provided you can get the customers to shell out that kind of money for an anticonvulsant. High CBD strains don't come cheap. But they work so, so well. It makes the tapering much easier.


[2 Points] dipdopodpid:

Phenibut might be an option. Many nootropic retailers sell it online. With fast shipping attributed this could very well be an option.


[2 Points] an_illegal_smile:

Diazepam is definitely the drug of choice, but there's also a clearnet RC, diclazepam, with a similarly long half life. A low 1mg dose lasts a long time, and one of its breakdown products is lorazepam, so as it degrades it basically becomes a low dose of Ativan. It's unscheduled in the US and UK that I know of, possibly other countries too. In theory it could stand in for diazepam while detoxing. Research chems in general are a bad, bad idea, but at least diclazepam has a respectable background -- LaRoche developed it, did some safety testing, but never took it to market. Somewhat safer than the cannabinoid flavor of the week type RC, at least.

that said, If you're having benzo withdrawals go to the damn hospital. Anything else that any of us are suggesting in this thread is predicated on the fact that some people will be too stubborn/scared/dumb to do so, so we're suggesting second best ideas.

Don't be one of those people. If you have serous benzo w/ds kicking in, go to the hospital. Don't die over bars.


[2 Points] None:

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[2 Points] None:

Do you guys not have street dealers?

Here in Philly you just get off the El at k and a and walk up to the guy saying, "xany bar" or "Xanax" and buy it off him.


[1 Points] Lucid_Enemy:

Phenobarbital is what is used in most rehabs for a benzo taper I'd say that would be GWL's greatest chance rather then selling benzos


[1 Points] IEatAnyAss:

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[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] noonehear:

Diazepam is readily avialable on the DNM's. Last time I purchased it I got apaurine (generic diazepam) from kbrojove (spelling...) at ~80cents USD per 10mg pill.

Also synester (nucleus) sells etizolam for cheap. Flubromazolam is also vended by synester and is a long acting benzo but easily leads to bad places as people seem to redose and redose before it finally kicks in (takes 4 hours before its felt) leading to blackout city. Also with f-lam you need 250-500ug...

Hopefully the bartards will learn their lesson from alprazolam and take it easy with its substitutes so that they wont be reliant on benzos on a daily basis.


[1 Points] None:

There is only one answer. If you have a heavy dependency on benzos and you are unable to get more, you need to go to the hospital, and tell them what happened. If you dont you will either certainly suffer brain damage, or die. I know a lot of you guys are young, and youre afraid of your parents finding out, but there is no way to just ride this out. You need to find a hospital and go there, tell them what youve done.


[1 Points] noonehear:

ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION: GET ARRESTED. When you end up in jail tell them you have a huge benzo addiction. They will give you librium. Also since you are in jail it will be hard to score any other / more benzos...


[1 Points] Gratefulstickers:

Kicked 120mg a day methadone habit with 8-12mg of xanax on top of it. This mixture went on for 3-4 years. Withdrawals are hell but Catapress helps.


[1 Points] None:

Bartards are 15 years old? Jesus.


[1 Points] FocusForASecond:

For those who are going to go through withdrawals and can't acquire diazepam, you should look into diclazepam. It's an RC analogue of diazepam that features a pretty long half life which should help with the taper. I used it to successfully taper off of a 1mg Flubromazolam habit a while back.


[1 Points] topknotch89:

about to start my taper with kpin.been through withdrawl cold turkey.never again. scary shit


[1 Points] RedCrossMedCare:

I highly recommend librium or clonazepam an slowly taper off safely, I used to take 3x2mg clonazapam or 3x2mg xanax a day for 7 or so years DAILY. I came off it twice, first time was the WORST. The lights fuck with your eye's, sounds sound different like there close or farther away. All kinds of strange shit, oh an the skin crawling feeling. The bad withdrawals last for atlas 3 or so week's depending on what drug an its half-life. Xanax is most serious of them all as its short half-life so the withdrawal hits you fast an hard. I suggest tapering with librium or clonazepam. It makes one HELL of a difference if done slowly. because there long acting med's an they just help GREATLY, I did a 2 week librium taper my first time an I still had HORRIBLE withdrawal's. I can't imagine what it'd be like without! I'm selling kpins on dream. But I recommend anyone coming off. Be careful an goto the hospital if your on super high dose's. Benzo WD's are no joke! I also had a seizure my 1st time when i finished the librium taper! I did it slow too, but maybe too fast i guess. I was taking a lot for sooo long I didn't even feel it anymore. Only time I ever felt it, I got a g of pure alp on some site an a tiny little piece I couldn't walk straight or talk right. But good luck to anyone getting off!


[1 Points] throwHAYawayNEIGH:

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purchase diclazepam

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[1 Points] Thewatchfuleye1:

If you're in a life threatening situation go to a hospital, but then again they might not know how far they are in over their heads.

There are plenty of research chemical benzos that are readily available on the clearnet, Etizolam, clonazolam, flubromazolam, flubromazopam, diclazepam, phenazepam and so forth. You could probably successfully taper with a long acting one if you got in over your head and realize the danger and have the mindset to do so.

The same dangers present though, a lot of people have gotten in way over their heads with Etizolam and the end result is the same, seizures. Some of them are also ridiculously strong with microgram doses, sold in powder form and could be incredibly dangerous, flubromazolam has killed a few people.


[1 Points] topknotch89:

kpins hello again. need to taper.


[1 Points] DonkeyDick007:

Where is dat diazepam?


[1 Points] thirdegree:

I love that, despite the general disdain most people show for bartards, everybody is still trying to find ways to help them.


[1 Points] heroincrackbenzos:

so i've been hospitalized multiple times for benzo wd. for several years was taking stupid doses of alp and etiz. like 20+ mg alp or so a day.

what helped me the most was librium. librium is basically a mild benzo - so there's little risk of getting super fucked up on it, but it will allow the person to stabilize and have a better chance of success. the other commonly prescribed drug, phenobarbital, helps with seizures but it does nothing for mental component. i felt like i was literally dying despite being incredibly sedated. pheno will also possibly cause ODs; its a strong cns depressant but doesn't feel like it so if someone takes a benzo while on pheno they could fall into a coma (literally what happened to me).

so, that being said i recommend a librium taper.ive been benzo (and drug) free for 7+ months and i feel great, and i credit a lot of my willingness this go round to at least being mildly comfortable thanks to librium taper.


[1 Points] ruthlessN2thless:

Here's an idea, get a script from a doctor.... Kids these days...


[0 Points] throwoverthetowel:

yeah but at what point does someone actually suffer from benzo withdrawals.

like not ohhh wahh i have a gay little bitch headache


[-1 Points] None:

i always though benzodiazepine was an opiate? I though all opiates had deadly withdrawals? I am gravely mistaken.


[-5 Points] TakeMeOver22:

Honestly, why should we care? Dumb kids might die. Good, there's too many of those fuckers around anyway.