Anybody else horrified that Dream is still up?

Or that people continue to try and do business on it?

Everybody who's ever touched this RPG with a 10 foot pole in the last 3 years knows the situation right now and knows the obvious, logical, sane response. Not necessarily the BELIZE response, but definitely SOMETHING.

Pull up a chair, youngsters, and hear a metaphorical tale... a tale about the King of the Darkwebs.

You're King of the Darkwebs. You live in the mighty unassailable Tower of Tor. Despite Darkwebz being a lawless and occasionally dangerous land, everybody gets along relatively okay. Then, one day, you receive word from a breathless courier that the enemy has invaded suddenly, with great planning and subterfuge, and your two biggest, richest castles have already fallen to their lightning assault. Large numbers of your loyal subjects are believed to have been captured and thousands more have been driven into the wilderness with the tracking dogs hot on their heels.

The kingdom descends into chaos. Confused, contradictory messages arrive every few minutes, as the kingdom's wisest remaining luminaries do their best to calm the ever-increasing crowds of panicked refugees. It doesn't work very well, because not even they have any idea what's really going on.

In the midst of this, you find out your third biggest castle (now the biggest target) has gone dark. The Duke who runs the place (and all his staff) refuse to reply to your increasingly strident demands for explanation; nobody knows who's in control of the place, but the merchants and villagers continue to come and go freely, and nobody's even bothered to pull up the damn drawbridge and put out a little sign saying "Closed due to invasion - please come back next week".

Either the Duke of Dream is the greediest, stupidest bastard ever to live, or he's directly under the control of the enemy.


Comments


[62 Points] SpiritButler:

I am sorry, but even if I knew the owners of Dream had their balls in a LE vise, I wouldn't stop conducting limited business through there based on the current facts.

If LE had access to Dream a month ago, as with Hansa, what would that mean for me? They could collect metadata like login times and my password specifically for Dream, and they could watch some bitcoins move around in a way that does not connect to me. They also find a bunch of PGP messages. None of this concerns me. There hasn't been a bust of anyone so far that hasn't made an OPSEC error as far as we know.

The biggest risk from Dream is that they may get busted/exit scam, and that you lose some coin. That would suck, and I won't deny that it would be number one on my list of "next markets to go dark", but still, all business conducted over DNMs should be done AS THOUGH LE ALREADY DOES HAVE CONTROL OF THE SITE. THe lessons learned so far from the people that have been burned by this whole mess:

1) Encrypt shit yo' self

2) Use unique passwords for every site

3) If using bitcoin, tumble yo shit/don't contaminate any wallets/tx chains with anything leading to your IRL persona

4) Do not click/copy any phising links

5) Never allow javascript to run on a TOR site

6) Keep a local copy of your vendor's PGP key, as it could get swapped out and cause you to have communication directly with LE/scammers.

Between these tips and the general OPSEC rules already posted in this sub, I can't seem to see what the big fuss is about, other than LE scare tactics are working.

Edit: As suggested by a couple smart folks below, I added number six. And P.S.: I don't mean to sound arrogant about my safety or dismissive of the events that have cost us all a lot lately, I am just not going to bow to scare tactics. What these developments do for me is to remind me of how fucking dangerous it is to be dealing drugs right under LE's noses, and that the only thing keeping me from handcuffs is strict adherence to proper OPSEC. Stay vigilant, but don't lose your nerve.


[14 Points] Scamperillium:

Well written

+1


[8 Points] snugglelufugus:

Dreammarket is the filthy brothel everyone knows you will get TB from but goes to anyways. The owner died in the stables out back while trying to milk a horse and now some soiled ruffians are running it from the brothel outhouse while pretending to be the owner with violent diahrehha. No one really knows whats up but everyone can smell there is something wrong.


[9 Points] BananasAndBlowMe:

The feds on here like to spread FUD like Dream is compromised to try and scare people. They are also playing up the fantasy that the Alpha and the Hansa bust were somehow a coordinated effort. Don't buy it for a minute.


[7 Points] None:

"3 years". fuck off noob


[6 Points] EnigmaMarket:

Chill. Regroup. Come back stronger.


[3 Points] itsalaughinggas:

speculation/wild fantasy/watches too much game of thrones


[2 Points] None:

Right now...my advice is....chill...smoke a bowl of whatever your substance of choice is. Alll this will blow over in a few (days/weeks). Til then ride the wave,find a local source for a few...keep ya ear to the ground and eventually a market will show up the LEO haven't found yet and keeps their shit low-key to keep it that way. Markets get busted because they get too big to stay under the radar


[2 Points] NADER_THE_GATOR:

I don't agree with your analogy at all. It is still perfectly safe to conduct business on dream provided you take proper precautions WHICH EVERYONE SHOULD'VE BEEN DOING IN HE FIRST PLACE. (And order form popular known vendors obviously)

I remember before silkroad 1 got big there was a saying that you should assume LE is running the site and do business with that assumption. I guess people got too comfortable


[2 Points] dn2016:

Hello Officer. How's things - feeling smug that you got the big two but a little miffed it wasn't a hat trick?


[2 Points] TheDestroyerXIX:

Come on, you all say that the normal consumer of the DNM won't get arrested because of buying drugs for personal use only. Then why stop now? You really think they will hunt you down for ordering a gram of Coke or 5g of medical fucking good tasting marihuana? The only ones who should care a bit more right now should be the vendors, they are in trouble because of the raid of AB and Hansa. But the normal consumer should give a shit. And if some LE knock at your door and tell you they found suspicious mail to your name, just tell them LE send it to you, since you ordered it between 20June and 20July on the Hansa market, and if they don't want you to drug or order this shit, don't let LE ship it to you.
The only lesson LE gave us all is to improve in the future OPSEC of every user and vendor. Nothing more. Order your personal drugs whenever you want.
Just be sure to care a bit more about security.


[1 Points] Bigw0rmer:

That is up , but the forums seem to be down


[1 Points] MandyThatGirl:

And low hanging fruit in a magical garden...and an evil man bear whale pig.


[1 Points] stabBarbie:

None of the vendor complaints have signed their post


[1 Points] alt_right_shift:

I have subreddit style disabled and as a result the content of OPs post doesn't show up. Just noticed as I've never had this issue before.


[1 Points] jewishmobil3:

there is something wrong with dream, they removed the forum and helpdesk. I have some info but i am waiting for mods here to approve my post.


[1 Points] None:

Sounds a bit like rpietila (king of moneros!) ravings


[1 Points] Glaukos86:

It'll be a place, like SilkRoad2, for noobs who give the finger to these subs to get fucked by LE and then get fucked in prison.


[1 Points] None:

stop spreading fud, big words and well constructed paragraphs aren't proof, is all of reddit this stupid?


[1 Points] DEA_must_die77:

Do you ever feel your own stomach fat? How does it feel like when you squish the blubber using your fingers and move it around using your fingers?