[CommunityDiscussion] I Think These Are The Hardest Times DNM's Have Seen So Far

After evo went down everything feel apart. The attack on the tor network, the constant market downtimes, now we have vendors exit scamming, and others dealing with seizures and cd's im surprised all the people who hopped on this ship in the past few months haven't left ive been here since the original sr and never have seen any cluster fuck of problems like this. Definitely says something that people are still functioning and maintaining


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[16 Points] blackflag909:

In my opinion when sr1 and bmr went down it was pretty sketchy. I remember logging on and seeing the fbi page. Crazy shit


[11 Points] dilirio25:

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What is this?


[11 Points] None:

Idk orig sr to sheep to tormarket sucked way more fore me


[9 Points] Vendor_BBMC:

I beg to disagree,

The time between Silk Road (the good one) was busted, to Feb13th last year when Silk Road (the bad one) stole the escrow, exactly a week after its sister site MTGOX decided to take the money (1.2 million BTC) and run, was immeasurably worse. Fortunately, many lessons were learned.

This one wasn't particularly stressful or big, but its always the way that nothing happens for 6 months on the darknet, then everything kicks off at the same time.

Its probably a good thing there were no markets left to visit this Easter, the TOR project had a chance to fix the vulnerability.

I had only been a darknet vendor for 6 or 7 weeks when lost my SR1 deposit (which I sold my car to get), and escrow. Also, somebody kept changing the addresses of SR1s auto-withdraw feature from my wallets to their own.

I now realize it was a bad cop. Its only money, and it wont come to help him when he's being raped in the shower block. Lesson learned.

Between those two dates, Black Market Reloaded closed in an orderly manor, only I was on Sheep Marketplace. Sheep kept people putting money in and finding new hurdles to stop it from leaving for a month, and nobody called it. There goes the money I was going to use to buy my car back, and another vendor deposit. Lesson learned.

Its a very risky strategy, because if you deposited a few cents in bitcoin and it left the marketplace, it couldn't be a vendor. That could only be the marketplace owner's wallet. Lesson learned (but not learned by Evo).

I imagine the rapings in former Eastern Bloc prisons are far more brutal. If you can record the first two days of a bitcoin theft, the thief WILL get caught sometime before 2140. Lesson Learned.

However, if you make the wallets used public, the authorities will catch the marketplace owner, and the contents of the Sheepmarket server could result in arrests of customers and vendors 18 months later. Lesson learned.

In December 2013, DPR2 went insane, started DDOSing other marketplaces, and threatenned to doxx another market's user database, then ran off. These are just IT guys and fraudsters, not master criminals. Very few can handle the pressure, or make it over the TOR-fatigue "wall" at 4 months that claims so many vendors. Lesson learned.

In February last year, we found that the escrow could be stolen, as well as the contents of onsite wallets. Lesson learned.

Reddit is useful in a crisis. But only as the fastest way to bring something to Deepdot's attention, and for finding out which users are implicated in the crime.

Be provocotive, stir things up, but don't go back to explain because even letters confuse some people on Reddit, bless their little hearts. Get another vendor to follow your posting history, then follow up on whoever tries to discredit you, and read their posting history.

Every darknet psychopath uses Reddit - its like googling themselves. But they never use their marketplace or vendor identity, and for them to say nothing for a day when they are sensing "cognitive dissonance" is impossible for them. Its part of their disability. Lesson learned.

Reddit is the nuclear option. It can't be targeted. Dropping a marketplace warning is like dropping a housebrick into a cowpat. You shut your eyes because it will make a splash, and some of it will get on you. Lesson learned in December 2013, when Defcon was initially going to steal the escrow, until its wallet was published on Reddit.

All-in-all, Evolution wasn't a big one, and its a rarity nowadays. It even took Kimble by surprise, because the guy running Evolution is a few driver updates short of a service pack. Kimble should have been watching him like a hawk instead of sleeping on bricks of heroin, just like his school's IT master should have been making sure that he wasn't running Pandora marketplace on school equipment. Lesson learned.

He's not the messiah of exit scams. He's a very naughty boy.


[9 Points] buttdude85:

yeeaa...feeling the same. called it quits a few months ago.....I dont need swat busting in when Im playing battlefield just to shoot my dog over an 8th of weed. It was fun while it lasted though.


[4 Points] redditkindasuckshuh:

I've made 4 quick successful orders since evo went down. A lot of these vendors are weathering this storm better than one could imagine. They should let me give these guys 10/5 feedback. We're holding up better than October 2013.


[7 Points] anonish9:

Shearing day is coming for the flock of sheep.


[5 Points] dalton255:

I remember logging onto silk road, after it went down And saw the FBI Page that was when shit hit the fan Lol, i was sketching thought the FBI was coming for me haha


[3 Points] None:

Great time to lay low; desperate times cause people to do dumb/shady shit. As much as I appreciated DNMs at certain times, it's always been a bitch to find a vendor with consistency in terms of business practices, quality, communication, and prices. Good vendors go bad overnight - exit scamming, sending out bunk product, delaying shipping, fucking up orders, getting in over their head in terms of business volume, or just plain lying about shit.

The current situation is a vendor and scammers market - high prices, poor quality, constant scamming, no market stability.


[2 Points] jahrastafareye:

I've got to maintain , cuz a niggga like me is goin insane.


[2 Points] cantstanddumbfucks:

I get the same feelings as you do. It's a shit storm at this point in time. You really have to step back and ask yourself if you want to deal with a vendor who just decided to open up shop in the past few weeks. I'm not even saying that they're LEO, what I'm saying is what kind of shit judgement do you have to have to open up shop during this shit storm? To me it just shows recklessness on the part of a vendor. A lack of judgement and caring.


[1 Points] noonehear:

The hardest times where having to get money orders to pay for goods (yes there were uhm groups before SR).

Wooooo Bitcoin.


[1 Points] CumberlandGap:

they aren't


[1 Points] II-NataYmleg:

Just everyone's everyday business. Welcome to the darknet, Sir.


[1 Points] Trappy_Pandora:

Its the comdown from the bitcoin high. Redose.


[1 Points] thechildish:

hey, nice post and you are right. But, it still beats being sober. x


[1 Points] None:

im surprised all the people who hopped on this ship in the past few months haven't left

god willing


[1 Points] ThrowawayThyEgo:

These are far from the hardest times, its not the first time a marketplace took off with peoples money, its not the first time TOR has been under attack, its not the first time there was a flood of people claiming to get busted/CD/seizures/ect. If you had been around that long you would know these things come in cycles its nothing new, markets scam, people bullshit about arrest, and FUD makes its way around like the local village bicycle sporting 2 seats. And of course people haven't jumped ship its mail order drugs that is safer then face to face deals and this kind of clusterfuck is a semi regular thing around here if this causes you to jump ship then you were either paranoid to begin with or you don't know how these things play out.


[1 Points] ChewyTheSheep:

Am I the only one who has been completely unaffected by this nonsense recently? Maybe because I am not a vendor and not in the US.

Also, while I'm here. Does anyone else get the impression that Agora just really doesn't want the number one spot? All that downtime can't really just be down to opsec can it? (apart from the opsec of not being the number one market oc).

Agora is pretty much unusable. I actually tried it on and off since Evo went down and after the DOS during which I used my "VIP" private vendor's site. Didn't place many orders there and I really don't get why everyone WANTS to use it so much! It's pretty much unusable but there are plenty of sites, totally mainstream ones in the sidebar here just as quick and reliable as Evo ever was.

I'm really not experiencing any problems.