DNM Limits

Realistically would a producer of drugs be able to cut out the middleman and sell on the markets? Could the markets handle the type of weight a producer would make? Lets say for example a large meth lab. Instead of supplying the cartel, could you ship packages through the DNMs, or is there not even close too enough people who use this too make that a viable option for producers?


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[15 Points] None:

People literally do this. You can literally order kilos of MDMA from labs in the Netherlands. TGUK sells bulk LSD from the UK, he seems to only be limited by blotter paper to put the shit on..... And theres several other crazy bulk suppliers of LSD in Europe, and you could even get in there and compete with them if you could match their prices and the quality was spot on.

You better be able to supply the cleanest, least cut product possible tohugh. Preferablly uncut, but, you know how that goes for things like heroin and cociane...

The biggest problem you're going to run into is supplying small orders. No one will buy bulk from a brand new vendor without trying them with smaller orders first, and selling small quantities is going to rake in a fuck ton of sales. It will quickly become difficult to handle the volume of shipping. Don't forget you have to be super careful about your OPSEC while shipping as well.


[6 Points] everyseedaplant:

People order drugs from all over the world. If your product/price is good, your marketing is adequate, and your customer service is on point, then the possibilities are endless. Even if you only cover 2 of those, then you're set. Look at Medibuds, or TGUK/GG, or even Quantik or Slablabs, or any of the other vendors making bank through the web by means of selling hella drugs. The clientele are literally everywhere, the only issue is treating vendorship as a business, and not like a get-rich-quick scheme ran by some twat.

As for the issue of "can we get this much product off our hands through the web?", then you have to determine if your product's price and potency can surpass the barriers of entry into the online drug world. There are large vendors for nearly every drug, so you'll have to bring something to the table that the other guys can't beat


[2 Points] Unusualbearman:

In all honesty you could severely undercut all other vendors prices and sell no less than 10g packs at bulk prices and make a ton


[1 Points] None:

Depends how big is the meth lab? Is it making 10 kilos? It is making upwards of 100 kilos? Is it a super lab making a literal metric ton of meth? If so....I really don't know. Definitely 10-100 kilos I think the markets could handle, but if its a real super lab I don't think the markets can handle that type of weight. Bulk meth may just not be talked about, but it seems that people who use DNMs are scared of meth. Just my opinion though. That is all useless unless you are talking specifically about meth.


[1 Points] onlinedrugsarebest:

Well there are dark net vendors that sell MDMA is volumes as small as 1 g and as large as 100 g. 100 g of MDMA is definitely more than a person is going to use by himself.

Edit: I think one of the limiting factors is what the seller is looking to do. If you want to sell a particular drug in kilogram amounts at a time, for example, you might just not be willing to put in the effort to also sell it in gram amounts. Like, why bother selling a gram for $50 when you can sell a kg for $20k or something. I don't know if those are realistic values, but I think you probably understand my point.


[1 Points] justpassinbuy:

If it was varying amounts for one say anywhere for two or three grams for cheaper than anyone on the market and the shit was pure it would move larger weight the more you buy. Just advertise on here and watch the money come in.


[1 Points] Theeconomist1:

It depends I suppose. We see this with mdma probably. But I want to say that's sort of an exception to the rule. If you were producing large amounts of anything, you prob wouldn't want to go retail. It's much easier to unload on a middleman and let them distribute to the end user. The thing is, even with mdma, and this is more a question, are most DNM buyers a middleman themself? Do most buy bulk to resell? If so, then I guess the mdma example might be more that the middleman is the DNM buyer. But I also assume people buy personal quantities. I honestly don't know why the mdma producers sell retail TBH unless it's to bulk buyers which then isn't retail.

But it's economies of scale. It makes more sense for any manufacturer to sell in bulk and leave retail to someone else. You don't see Proctor and Gamble trying to sell retail. They sell their product via retailers. I think this model makes the most sense. Sure as a consumer you end up paying inflated prices due to middlemen but I can't see where selling retail is of much benefit to a large supplier.


[1 Points] al_eberia:

The Cartels don't buy in bulk from independent labs, they run the labs. They handle everything from importing the precursors to doing the synth to sending out the product. I would imagine pretty much all "superlab" scale production is run by established criminal groups with existing supply lines as they are the only ones with the capital and the logistics to establish one.


[1 Points] None:

Short answer is yes. Long answer is you probably won't be able too. You mentioned no AlphaBay. An understandable approach, yet they do hold a majority of the DNM economy under their belt. You'll need to start out with a LOT of free samples. Then you can move on to actual sales. The economy can almost definitely handle you, yet why would someone switch to you over their go to guy? Are you cheaper, better quality, and most of all a better sales pitch? Take a long time on your vendor profile page, that's where we size you up. Lastly, if you are trying to produce a few ounces, I promise the DNM meth vendors won't even notice your existence. If you are trying to rustle bushes like Xanax baron, you may be attacked by your fellow vendors.


[1 Points] EZPeeVee:

I seek out MDMA that is made in smaller batches; craft brew if you will. There are a few in the states who produce maybe a key or two a month. I like that, I've met guys that do it IRL and online, I think it's way cooler knowing who made the shit, with love, that I'm rolling on. And yes they are on the markets.


[1 Points] FagDamager:

/u/vendor_bbmc where you at uncle


[1 Points] buddders:

I know people who have kilos of ket however that doesn't mean that they're making it themselves...


[1 Points] Gordonb0mbay:

I thought this was exactly what DNM was for...?


[1 Points] chasethatdragon:

Good in theory, but good luck with cutting out cartels if they already know you produce.


[1 Points] NZT-1:

The markets will demands anything and everything you produce. The real question is your strategy. What's your end goal? Are you in this to make "X" amount? Or do you you want to do this for a living? You have to ask yourself how much you want to move.

What your trying to accomplish will flood the markets with high purity readily available product (presumably) Thus the price decrease in value per kilo/gram, increasing the amount of weight you move. So it becomes a question of economics for you.


[1 Points] None:

A thread about a producer becoming a vendor and no sign of our resident meth vendor/producer /u/vendor_BBMC .


[1 Points] JesusChristalMeth:

Yes, but are you going for maximum profit for a set amount of stock or cornering the market?

Cornering the market: pros - you end up setting prices, and honestly it wouldn't be hard to get to that price, cons: you risk exposure and competing with yourself by putting out too much stock, and you might not make maximum profit because you might trigger a price war. But right now anyone who's even a lower mid level dealing in South Central LA and theoretically get the logistics and stock to completely flood any DNM's meth market easily and still make a healthy profit. I'd say even a starting price of $350/oz would corner the market if you can handle the demand.

Max profit for set amount: pros: you can sell at a reasonably high price point streetwise and still make a killing and gain a huge market share. Meth is ridiculously overpriced on DNM in relations to street low-level wholesale prices in meth-producing or meth-importing states and it would be easy, as a producer, to undercut just enough to gain market share yet retain a huge profit margin and yet not saturate the market, and it's less actual work for yourself. Cons: setting artificial limits on yourself and doing less business might not be conducive to future growth plans if that's what you're going after.

I'd say pick one and go all in. I've always wondered why meth is so overpriced on DNM. There's absolutely no reason why you can't corner the market, the problem is that the price it takes to corner the market is actually accessible enough that you may make it a logistical nightmare for yourself. If you can find a good middle-ground you'd be set.


[1 Points] None:

I remember there was a vendor who sold liquid amphetamine by the kg, PMK oil and had listings of upto like 25kg of MDMA or something. Was on Agora. He went scam in the end after he got stung with a bad batch of ketamine put it all out in bulk during the drought and everyone wanted refunded. Before that though when I ordered oz's of speed or MDMA they were always so fat, like 10g extra mandy on a 1oz order. Was the people who were pressing those goldbar pills.


[-1 Points] None:

If you need that meth tested before you open up shop, hit me up, good ole Rorschach will test it for you :-)


[-1 Points] None:

Just answer your own question dude. Would you do it? And this has nothing to do with "are you ballsie enough to try to be a hero?" It's just not that likely. I'm not going to say impossible, but it would make no sense in the long run. If you are trying to serve life in a prison, then by all means, be my guest. Not to mention it's meth. We got more than enough of that shit on Earth than we ever needed in the first place. The world doesn't need another meth lab IMHO.


[-1 Points] colesaw:

dnm's are more risky, only a small population get the whole idea of OPSEC and bitcoins down, and even they tend to make costly mistakes.

on the other hand fratboys who want to bump a hit and bang anyone that moves, they are clueless about dnm's. fuck, they barely able to add, forget calculate outputs of a bitcoin transaction the street cartel exists for these people.


[-1 Points] rdnmshit:

Scam bait. Would not trust