Fentanyl discussion. Question(s) & Answers. Bring it on Fentalogue-Haters!

So it seems Fentanyl has been a hot topic of conversation & Debtate wishing the community lately.

Here are some threads on r/dnm from the past couple weeks;if anyones interested in catching up or refreshing their memories' start here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/5vs0is/fuck_fentanyl_rant/

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/5udg35/please_stop_vilifying_people_who_buy_fentanyl/

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/5uxd5u/fent_heathatred_you_are_all_hypocrites/

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/5uijwo/im_sick_of_these_antifentanyl_posts_if_you_dont/

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/5uhuc6/community_warning_vendor_benzochems_selling/

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/5ud6za/fentanyl_vendors_are_going_to_place_a_lot_of_heat/

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/5u11wb/teenagers_stole_pack_containing_fentanyl_what_to/

Some iterating stuff there. I always love hearing from the community. Now I'm gonna share...I am with the pro-Fent faction. I do happen to use some strong Fent both on certain week-long binges in my past and currently an everyday user as it has replaced a heroin addiction after a relapse of 8 months clean. I have tried many different vendors products and many different analogue of it. I have a question for anyone that might know. I want to know exactly what order all the popular analogues would be put in if it was a list of strength(potency). I have tried many different ones and am always considering what the next one i will try is. I am currently using fentanyl HCL and i use a solid 20-40mg each time to get high. And is still much less of a rush than i use to get with much less of this. I used to be able to sniff just a point and nods of. Whereas i started Fent because Heroin would work for me anymore i am now looking at which other analogue of fent or any opiate that i can start using to replace the HCL which is now weak compared to my high tolerance. Theres been a lot of talk about Carfentanil but i don't know much about using it practically if i were to buy a personal amount from the DN. And i am just trying to get high again nothing crazy but there must be something stronger than HCL but I've never seen a list.

Ive been trying to take a tolerance break too. IDKhow long is nesscessary enough for my opioid receptors to go back down so that 5mg of HCL works or even down far enough so that Furanyl(Fu-F) would work. And that had only rarely worked for me in the past. ACE worked wonderfully for me about a year ago but i haven't tried it since then, i literally couldn't find it. I wanna try carfent if theres nothing else better than Hcl. Ive also not yet tried butyrl.

If anyonenhere wants to discuss anything else about the substance or criticize me for using my DOC then go for it. Lots of people like this and the haters don't bother me.


Comments


[17 Points] None:

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[5 Points] young_k:

There are stronger things that HCl - but not slightly stronger. Usually it's exponentially stronger and thus not really a solution to people looking to upgrade. Also, many of the "stronger" analogues don't have the same level of euphoria as HCl or some of the other analogues...so that sort of changes the perspective on the high from the user.

I'm slightly curious who's fent hcl you are using, as that's quite an expensive habit if it's pure, and actually high quality...


[5 Points] penismith:

You should go through physical detox under sedation in a medical facility.


[3 Points] None:

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[3 Points] agentgreasy:

So, there is a literal answer to your question, but the truth is its not the full story. Opiates/Opioids (there is actually a difference. An opiate is derived from opium, an opioid is synthetic - although today the terms are used to mean the same thing) are generally measured in their morphine equivalents (that is, the dosage you would need to take for the drug to equal the effect of a 10mg dose of Morphine). The list is quite long, you can find it here.

That said, this list itself merely measures the equivalent dosage for effect and does not take into account the nature of the drug itself. There are a great number of diverse analogues of fentanyl and other opioid drugs. Not all of them are actually safe for human consumption, and many have side effects that are measurably more inconvenient (or deadly) than the typical side effects from opiate usage.

An easy way to look at it is like the situation with MDMA. There are a number of analogues that are known/have been known, and they each have varying effects similar to MDMA. However, many of them also come with very bad side effects, including some with very low toxicity/poison ratings. There is a high amount of risk in analogues - particularly because the newer they are, the less we know about them.

That said, as someone mentioned previously, there is a correlation between tolerance and implicit dose strength. This actually isn't just related to the strength of a drug, but also the drug itself. In many cases drugs that produce tolerance have very limited (if any) effect on cross-tolerance with similar drugs. Fentanyl on the other hand, and many of its analogues, are notable for their heavy cross-tolerance. In addition, its stronger tolerance profile is due to its rapid metabolizing - whereas the half-life of most opiates is 3-12 hours (depending on extended release and route of availability), Fentanyl has a very short half-life of 2-4 hours and thats if you're lucky. This means you're dosing more frequently, of something stronger. Tolerance itself also increases the rate of dependency.'

I got nothing against it, I love it myself, but I tend to try and control it better so that its benefits don't harm the rest of my habits.


[2 Points] throwahooawayyfoe:

Theres been a lot of talk about Carfentanil but i don't know much about using it practically if i were to buy a personal amount from the DN.

You would dose it volumetrically. Example, 100mg of pure carfent diluted into 10 liters of water would give you 10k 1ml doses equivalent in analgesic effect to 100mg of morphine hcl each.


[1 Points] Darrellsdimebag:

Have you tried Narcoboss China white? How much fent do you think he uses? Think it is HCl or an analog. What does he mix it with? I've been into opiates on and off for years, but a tiny bump of his shit fucked me up


[1 Points] kaif_veenis:

Acrylfentanyl 1.5x-2x stronger than fentanyl HCl.


[-3 Points] lsdinsane:

Can like you loosers do something more valuable