Refusing to sign or arrange re-delivery or pick up your order at the post office is counter productive!

The paranoia I see in force here about controlled deliveries, with people just writing off any order that isn't left in their mailbox and refusing to sign the slip for re-delivery or go pick it up at the post or interact with their postal carrier is ridiculous. Not only ridiculous but it can actually directly cause a charge to be brought on you by postal inspectors.

Note:I've been using the mail to order non-schedule 1 pharms well before the darknets and now for more than a decade. My wife formerly worked in the postal service, and I have read stories about a ton of controlled deliveries.

First of all by the time one of your orders is targeted for a controlled delivery it is IMPOSSIBLE for anything you do to avoid a charge, you WILL be charged no matter what. They also already have a search warrant for the address, and nothing you do will change that. The controlled delivery is just the cherry on top, a nice little extra bit of incriminating evidence thats it.

There is only one thing you can do to help your case once this is all in motion and one thing:

KEEP YOUR FOOL MOUTH SHUT!!!!

And repeat nothing except I want a/my lawyer, I will say nothing without said lawyer. Thats it, all you can do to help your case.

Whether you sign or not, whether you refuse the package, don't answer the door, aren't even home nothing is going to stop you being arrested and charged and again the only thing you can do to help yourself is shut the fuck up and let your lawyer do the talking.

They will never just go away if they were going to do a controlled delivery, they won't just take the package back to the post office and wait for you to come claim it. That doesn't happen.

Now on to why pretending a package with drugs you ordered doesn't exist if your postal carrier does anything other than leave it in the box or at your door can actually create a case where there was none and get you charged.

Postal carriers aren't robots, some are studious and some are lazy fucks. Even if you know your usual one, they can be sick and a different one will be given your route.

Even if the package doesn't require sig or the carrier handing it off to you, some will go above and beyond feeling they are doing a good deed especially if there have been reports of mail theft in your area. I had this happen to me innumerable times over the years, it seemed 50/50 whether they would leave it in the box or try to hand it off personally and if they couldn't they would usually leave the slip and take it with them. I was also asked to sign many times for packages that did not require it. The carriers think they are doing a good thing, doing their job right and protecting you from thieves.

But ok you ignore the package, what happens then? Well it will be put return to sender and they will attempt to send it to the return address on it, which is most likely either fake or a real address which is not the true senders. If it is real someone unrelated will open it and if you're lucky just enjoy the drugs, unlucky they will call police or the postal service and guess what the only lead is? Right , your address!

Or assuming the return address is fake the package will go to the general area, be marked as undeliverable and in an attempt to find the sender or recipient it will be opened and inspected. The postal worker finds drugs and it is reported to the postal inspector, and the only lead is......right your address. What happens from here depends on a lot of things like the quantity and schedule and how busy or not the postal inspector is. But it can easily end up with a warrant and charge for you.

My wife was personally involved in two cases where a large amount of cocaine, and marijuana was found like this which lead to postal inspectors and police investigating and charging the intended recipient. As well as many smaller amounts which did not go to that level. In fact if a slip is left for re-delivery or to pick up at the post office you can be assured there was no controlled delivery.

TLDR: Refusing to interact with a postal carrier to get your package won't help you, and can end up hurting you.


Comments


[10 Points] theevoinsider:

This sub is full of kids ordering €30 worth of pills and shitting themselves about customs and CDs, you can't educate that level of paranoid


[6 Points] None:

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[2 Points] evilpumpkin:

I don't see the problem that people have with signing for a package. You confirm having received it, nothing else. This does not mean that you ordered it or know some other way what's inside.


[2 Points] MDPV_:

Q — Have any of you seen your local postie use gloves? Not the winter ones but the blue latex ones.


[1 Points] spaceghost111:

I received a letter from Homeland Security saying this:

""Under 49 U.S.C. 5103, it is a violation of Federal law to ship or receive explosives, drugs, or hazardous materials through the United States Mail

Under 50 U.S.C. 1861, any parcel delivered through the mail to a parcel box is subject to inspection by designated local law enforcement authorities in order to prevent the transfer or receipt in interstate commerce of explosives, drugs, hazardous materials, or any other substance deemed a threat to the national security of the United States of America. Inspection may be conducted through visual observation, drug sniffing animals, magnetic resonance imaging or any that may facilitate the identification of the above referenced materials.

You may contest such inspections by filing a Petition For Reconsideration in the US district court (my city and state) within 20 days of the receipt of this notice. Failure to file with twenty days constitutes a waiver of your right for Reconsideration."

I understand this post is related to shipping to home addresses but maybe your knowledge on the matter could help me. Should I even attempt to go get 2 packages that I have ordered? If I don't will they rip it open and come to my house with theory charges?? Or do they already know drugs are on the way??

Note: I have contacted both the vendors of my remaining orders and they said it is impossible that their packages were seized and a letter sent to my house in that amount of time but I have received all previous orders to this PO box with no problem..

Thanks,

spaceghost111


[1 Points] None:

A lot of the time you might get away with it but back on sr1 the rule was never sign for anything . I still think people should follow this but it is really up to the one ordering.


[0 Points] None:

Why, are you gonna do time for me? Thats what I thought. My opsec is my business only retards would get advice from random people on the internet and not use their own brain.


[0 Points] Theeconomist1:

I think this is good advice. There is always fierce debate on signing vs. not signing. I guess deep down we'd all like to believe some simple technicality would stop LE or bad things from happening. Here's the way I look at it, simple outcomes. The signature is required either b/c they are attempting a CD OR they are not and its something innocent. Looking at strict probabilities, the chances are astronomically that its something innocent. By not signing, you are almost guaranteeing LE to seize the pack. Now, the big question is, if it is part of a CD/seizure, would not signing offer any protections? I tend to agree with you that it would not. If LE is going to bust you, a stupid signature won't stop them. They'll find a way to execute the warrant. Bottom line, not signing almost guarantees you that the pack will be seized by LE. Signing is not an admission of guilt. Keep a clean drop and they still have to prove the case. If only it were as easy as refusing to sign...

Anyway, I agree with you. Probably half the folks here won't. And that's fine. At the end of the day, we all have to do what's right for us. You can offer advice and reason and logic and its we each have to be comfortable with our actions. But this, along with question of tumbling, is like religion and/or politics. People get all heated on both sides, very few people "change sides", but its good advice for newbies who need both sides of the argument.


[-8 Points] None:

This post is complete nonsense