USA roommate just received a love letter to our dorm

It was for ordering an ounce of weed from canada, weed's legal in our state so I'm not sure if it's going to be a big deal or not, from what I've read on here probably not (we haven't seen any cops yet). What I am worried about though is I currently have a 50 gram MDMA order in transit from Germany to the same address. It's made out to my name and the weed was made out to his, do you think I should be worried about this package being searched as well? There's no tracking or anything and it's already been shipped so there's not much I can do at this point, already cleaned house, just if anyone knows what to expect it would be really helpful. Thanks. I'm scared guys, just found out about the love letter this morning, it arrived yesterday

Edit: in case it's relevant, we're in colorado and we're both 19

Edit2: Can someone explain how I could get in trouble for this? what if I just leave the package in my trash for like 2 weeks. If I don't do anything to show that I had any knowledge of the package couldn't anyone just mail anyone else a bunch of drugs, tip off le, and then get that person arrested? I have a totally clean record and am in good academic standing, not really someone you would profile as a drug dealer.


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[49 Points] dawgiee:

50 grams of MDMA? Jesus dude. Yeah, im not gonna lie id be shittin a couple bricks. Your address has been flagged for an international shipment of weed, meaning customs is involved.

Clean house just to be safe. You'll probably be alright, but just be ready for anything.


[25 Points] pink_guy:

why would you order bud from canada if you're in Colorado


[16 Points] Theeconomist1:

There have been people that have reportedly gotten love letters and continued to order off teh DNMs without issue. Now, I know most that have said that have said that they continued to order domestically w/o issue, which seems to imply that if your name does go on some watch list from an international order, its not necessarily "shared" for domestic orders. I can't remember if they said they tried to order internationally again after a love letter. This I'm not sure of. Of course, this is anecdotal so who knows. Personally, if I received a love letter, I'd lay off, but you are beyond that point so that's neither here nor there. So all you can do is prepare and hope for the best.

Cleaning house is critical. That's the best thing you can do at this point. Lay off any future orders for the time being. Know your rights and understand what to do should the worst happen - essentially, its easy b/c all you need to know to do is to shut the fuck up. Don't deny. Don't explain. Do ask for an attorney. Do assert your rights to shut the fuck up. The cops may say shit to get you to talk. This is includes, but not limited to, "We don't really care about your order, we just need to close the case...", "We only care about the supplier...", "If you talk now, you won't be in any trouble..."

Can someone explain how I could get in trouble for this?

Really? How do you mean? Obviously you know that transporting drugs over the mail is illegal, so that's how you get in trouble for it. Unless I'm misunderstanidng what you mean.

what if I just leave the package in my trash for like 2 weeks.

Fairly pointless. If a CD is going to happen, its going to happen quick - you won't have too much time to throw it away. Its about possession. Once you take possession of the pack, that's generally what they wait for to execute a CD.

If I don't do anything to show that I had any knowledge of the package couldn't anyone just mail anyone else a bunch of drugs, tip off le, and then get that person arrested?

Absolutely. Plausible deniability is what most people rely on in this situation. You are on the right track here. But don't speak to LE until you've spoken with an atty. Any and all explaining should be done w/ an atty present and should not be done while you are being searched or arrested. Don't deny. Don't explain. Have an attorney's number at the ready so you can call if you need to. Remember, if you are at this stage of things, your goal is no longer beating the ride. You aren't going to beat the ride. Your goal of "beating the ride" starts when you are ordering and ends if you get a boot to the neck. Accept that you are going to jail and nothing you can do can save you from that fate. But not all hope is lost. Simply your focus and concentration changes. Once at this point, your one and only goal is stay out of PRISON and to avoid conviction. Accept the fact that you are going to jail and nothing you say will change this. This will help you to shut up b/c you won't be tempted to speak b/c of some silver tongued LE feeding you "promises" that you aren't in trouble. Your focus should be on the long game and the only effective long game strategy is to SHUT UP! Remember, if LE is actually genuine that they don't care about you, they won't care about you with an attorney present. You can always negotiate down the road with an atty present. So, just like a fucken used car salesman who doesn't want you to leave the lot without signing a deal, LE will try to get you to talk NOW b/c they know you are most vulnerable at this very moment.

Anyway, good luck, I hope nothing comes of this. All you can do know is prepare. Remember, THEY have to prove YOU knowingly did this dastardly thing. Don't help them do that. Say nothing, let your lawyer do the talking, and if played right, you might be able to use all the things you spoke of as counter-arguments to LE's argument. But again, that's your lawyer's job, not yours. Keep us posted if you can. I don't think all is necessarily lost at this point. Obviously you aren't in the best of situations, but how closely they look at your in-transit order is the main question and I'm not sure if anybody knows for certain. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.


[16 Points] Theeconomist1:

Just something to keep in mind, weed is NOT legal at the federal level and thus not legal to use USPS to deliver it. Doesn't matter if your state is legal. I'll write a bit more when I get off mobile


[11 Points] AndThenHeSays4:

Why the fuck wouldn't you just buy weed in Colorado?


[7 Points] DaMenehune:

You don't empty your trash more than every two weeks?


[6 Points] Swansonisms:

1) Clean house, I mean some OCD cleaning shit.

2) Any computer is now broken and needs to be removed from your place post haste.

3)Do not place any other orders

4) Do not talk to/accept any packages from anyone under any circumstance.

5) If you've mentioned these orders or anything about TOR to anyone talk to them face to face and play it off like you didn't order anything.

6) If you encounter the cops be as honest as possible without admitting anything "of course i'm nervous you're cops" etc.

Loose lips sink ships.


[7 Points] None:

Your lawyer can bullshit in court all he wants, but here on /r/DNM, you're not fooling anybody. Nobody orders 50 grams of MDMA for personal consumption. You're dealing. You know it. I know it. And the cops know it. If you order 50 grams of MDMA internationally, what makes you think that'll go under any sort of radar?


[6 Points] Gratefulstickers:

Dude, you're risking your entire future to sell drugs in college? Fuck, I hope everything goes okay but man maybe evaluate the situation a bit. Money is nice and so its the allure of dealing but get a part time job if you need beer and food money.

I'm an almost thirty year old junky who threw it all away to shoot dope. Wish you luck brother.


[4 Points] elliephantas:

They will absolutely know you are ordering drugs, they may not be able to prove that legally though. Do not sign, do not acknowledge that you ordered a package and absolutely do not open it. There was a document going around like a week ago that was a chapter of a book written by a LE agent of some sort describing the logistics of a CD. Does anyone have that link? If not I'll post it, I have it in a text file somewhere. Good luck, and in the future use domestic sources, and get a fucking med card man, a $80 fee is far better than international drug orders of the smelliest, least dense drug available.


[6 Points] Theeconomist1:

One last piece of advice, do not order to your college again. Just don't do it. Go pay the $100 or so for a PO Box. There are many, many reasons for this. I wouldn't have wanted my collegiate mailroom handling my contraband. NO way. In addition, to add an extra kick to the nuts, your college will know almost immediately if you get caught and obviously you put a shitload at risk.

Get a PO Box.


[3 Points] None:

This video is probably relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBzvMLW0ii4

In all seriousness, I hope nothing comes of this because from what I know of the U.S, even if you do not go to jail, you will get a mark against your name for life limiting your career potential.

At this moment I have to reflect on how dumb those laws are....... They take a decent hard working tax contributing member of society and screw them so if they are not already then they become a criminal because it is the only way you can support yourself.

Have you thought about going on an extended vacation back to your parents, becoming hard to get hold of etc. The greater the distance from the incident, the muddier the waters.

Also I am no great mastermind but it is not going to take a brain surgeon to work out this post is about a specific case if the right people are reading & that right there would be insanely strong evidence. I am far from your tinfoil hat merchant but it is plausible that LE look at these posts & try and tee them up against cases.

I hope the source locations are fake because a current investigation that involves 2 packages, 2 types of drugs & 2 differing source locations is not going to be hard to match up at all.


[3 Points] leaving-town-in-2-wk:

what vendor

why love letter


[3 Points] iliveintor:

Was it a letter for the weed or mdma? What vendor? It may be due to leakage or poor stealth/packaging?

weed stinks a lot more of mdma. also, it could just be poor opsec of the vendor. it could also be poor opsec on you as well. how often do you use the location?

19 year old college kids that can afford 50gs of mdma and lots of weed and go to college... man... that's the life


[5 Points] energyinmotion:

"Can someone explain how I could get in trouble for this?"

You ordered drugs online then came onto reddit and asked about it.

"If I don't do anything to show that I had any knowledge of the package couldn't anyone just mail anyone else a bunch of drugs, tip off le, and then get that person arrested?"

This is America. You can be innocent of a crime and go to prison for decades.

"I have a totally clean record and am in good academic standing, not really someone you would profile as a drug dealer."

You might as well say, "I'm not a poor minority person." Cause that's all I heard. Not that it matters.

So basically, what I am saying is, pray to whatever god you believe in (or not) that you don't get in trouble, and try not to order multiple packages to the same address around the same time. That's so idiotic that I shouldn't even have to say it.


[2 Points] SecondChanceUsername:

How do you recieve your mail? If they try to do a CD or another LL, maybe just let the pack sit there in the box and make sure you and your roomate dont try to retreive it. Also make sure house is clean and the computer you used to contact the vendor(s) is not with you when the (potential) CD happens. This is not a good situation. The 2 ounces of MDMA will get you each multiple felony charges. Good luck, report back if possible.


[2 Points] frozen_snowball:

I got a love letter from ordering 1oz of bud a few months back. I still order to the same address with no problems. I doubt you'll get a CD, unless the vendors stealth is complete shit. To be safe tho, Clean your house and speak to a lawyer about your situation.


[2 Points] hashmon:

Hey, OP, seriously,make a few deep breaths.

Like everyone else said, this is potentially very serious. Forget about the weed. You should know what to do legally re: the MDMA. Don't even touch the package when it shows up. Don't touch it. If someone tried to deliver it to you, DENY. Say you're not expecting anything, I'm sorry. Keep repeating that. Never admit it's yours EVER. Despite what other people are saying, I've been through this legally, and that might- very possibly- get you off in court. Anyone can send you a package of illegal drugs; doesn't mean you ordered it. But if you admit it's yours, you're completely and very seriously fucked. Clear your house out of everything illegal, and play defense. Good luck, peace.


[2 Points] Kazaa99:

The "flagging of addresses" I believe is more a myth than a fact. It would take a lot of extra work to use a scanner on all mail at the customs (which is not the same sorting facility as the automatised mail sorter at the postal system), and there are lots and lots of examples of people ordering to the same address again and again after a seizure (a lot of reships offered by vendors f.ex).

If your address was "flagged", all packages you receive from a different country (f.ex like books, clothes, etc..) would be open when you receive it, and that has not really been the case in many seizures that have been talked about in forums or reddit. But the customs agent himself, might remember your address if it happens to be in his hand again, and then that would probably cause them to check a it again (just a theory).


[2 Points] diOpAnonMu:

You may want to think about talking to your lawyer about blaming your roommate for the MDMA. Say you didn't order shit but your roommate has been known to order drugs. As thegrugq said, "Snitches get riches"


[1 Points] darkouterwear:

Relax dude.. I rec'd TWO LOVE LETTERS and I still use the same address and still receive all my orders..Obviously, it doesnt flag an address, cause like I said, I still get my orders with no problems since.

I can say that my "letters' were from Colorado also, and I just dont order from there anymore.


[1 Points] PassTheKlonopin:

LE love low-hanging fruits like you. Hope your lawyer can keep your ripe cherry from being popped in prison.


[1 Points] techiebabe:

I sat in on a case once, consignment of craft goods with coke hidden in the packaging. It was intercepted by cops, and delivered by an undercover cop posing as courier driver.

It was addressed to a man, his female relative signed for it.

He gave statements to police pleading innocence & also appeared in court. He wasn't credible & got 5 years then deportation.

The woman who signed for the parcel gave "no comment" all the way through both at the police station & also chose not to speak in court.

Everyone knew she was involved but couldn't prove it so she went free.

Since the parcel is addressed to you, I'd say you're in the shit. But I'd start with saying absolutely nothing as/when you get busted.


[1 Points] Drugsandwhatnot:

with so many cheap usa vendors providing mdma, why in hell would you order international when you know you´ll get the fattest dick in the world if you get caught? to save 100 bucks? you ARE RETARDED


[1 Points] thatskank:

so to sum it all up... 1) clean up, dont get caught riding or living dirty 2) collect mail as usual and DONT OPEN the one that CAN/WILL make your life hard if you think it's really going to, you'll know which god damn one it is when it arrives if it's not your first rodeo 3) don't talk to the police period, ever. as mentioned, fucking be suspicious, it's better than being incarcerated. 4) don't broadcast your ideas/plans bond villain style opsec here either


[1 Points] browndusty:

I honestly recommend that you should destroy your computer(s), literally - with hammers. You probably don't know enough about OPSEC to get rid of all of your trail, and it is highly likely that you'll have police or worse agencies knocking at your door with a search warrant.

The reason why I'm suggesting destroy it is that there are too many variables and you don't want to take any chances.


[1 Points] None:

U fucked mayne u better hope it got thru already


[1 Points] jnb192:

I'm sorry mate, but the bigger question is - why were you idiotic to order 50g of MDMA to your address at 19?

You buy the ticket you take the ride my friend.


[1 Points] darkouterwear:

Lol, Track the package see where it is?

No JK<--- Dont do that.


[1 Points] None:

I really want to know about the end of this story. Wish you the best dude, I hope you will do ok.


[1 Points] jnb192:

Seriously - never use the darknet again to order drugs. Just don't.


[1 Points] drugslover9032:

Hope all turns out well for you. keep us updated


[0 Points] None:

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[0 Points] darkouterwear:

You guys are too paranoid. As long as you dont sign for a package, you cannot be busted, unless you admit to it of course. If your ordering packages that need to be signed for..

Well, thats just dumb.


[0 Points] singlemothers:

why did you order dnm marijuana when you live in co?


[-1 Points] chefgroovy:

Play dumb, if it comes down, throw your buddy under the bus. He was the one that got the love letter. You don't know anything about this whole internet thing, and you honestly think it is just a fad.

remove everything on your computer related to TOR, Darknet, etc.

Shitty, but what the hell.... use his comp if want to do anything