[CommunityDiscussion] Bitcoin Lab Test Fund

While we try to get this up and running, why not donate your leftover BTC to the SSBD Fundraiser?

With all the recent controversy over inaccurate purities and dosages of drugs from the DNM's, I think we should set up a bitcoin fund for lab tests to support accountability for vendors. It would be managed by one of the moderators, and whoever has spare bitcoin or just wants to donate can contribute.

We could put together a running list of the most popular items we would like to see tested (for me it would be BlueViking's 100ug LSD) and whenever someone provides the official lab report they will be reimbursed with the bitcoin in the lab test fund. Of course they would have to be assured that there are sufficient funds in the wallet, and they would have to make it known that they are sending in a sample so multiple people do not send in the same product, unless we want replicate results. Based on what I saw in the other thread, a lab test for LSD dosage is ~70USD + cost of the LSD, so if make this well known (sidebar?) coming up with the money for several tests wouldn't take long.

Edit: The primary concern right now seems to be that belligerent vendors could send in low quality items and pass off the results as results from another vendor's item. We need a verification system or something to prevent this. However, the fact that generally, no one's account is tied to them, could pose a problem.

Edit 2: Unless we come up with a solution to stop rival vendors from sending in weak products, we may have to do this all through the mods, or come up with a rigorous verification system.

Edit 3: The way I see it, there are 2 courses of action we could take. The reason for this is that I see no way to verify that any given user is not a rival vendor, or the vendor themselves.

One assumes we cannot trust any reddit user who is not a moderator. This means that the only way we could do this would be for the mods to buy product and reship it to a lab, after which they would reimbursed for all costs.

The other places a small amount of trust in the average user. If we had the customer put their reddit username in the feedback of their order and send a mod the .onion link to the feedback page, it would be at least good enough to verify that that specific reddit user purchased the product. This doesn't stop a vendor or rival vendor from creating a reddit account, buying an item, leaving the username in the feedback, and verifying themselves that way, but combined with other measures like a minimum amount for the verification order (50-100USD? The item a reviewer bought is listed under the feedback on evo) and minimum account age and possibly subjective post history evaluation by the mods, it could greatly dissuade vendors and their rivals from spoofing reports.

Also, we need a way to verify that the reports are real.


Comments


[5 Points] WightLightY:

Lobali said he would be down to in someway be involved or be in control of this. I think that would involve him being in charge of the donated BTC to be used for the tests. I think that is the best course of action if we can make it happen. LSD would be the primary substance to pursue tests for, at least in my opinion


[4 Points] gramsadmin:

Now that tor project got donations from reddit. I will be looking for new things like this for bitball to donate to.


[5 Points] OnAcidButUrThedum1:

I think this is a great idea! I posted in the thread calling for lab reports that I would be willing to test some heroin vendors. It would be great to get others involved so we could put together a comparison chart between multiple vendors.

I disagree with LSD being the primary substance we pursue tests for. The more diversity we can get with drugs, the better! This will help the community in so many ways and will promote harm reduction, transparency, honesty, and quality products! Let us all give back to this community and make our resources even stronger!


[3 Points] ShulginsCat:

This is a great idea. Two questions though:

  1. Will this only be for EU vendors, or vendors that are willing to ship to EU?

  2. Can people choose which drug (or category) they want to donate to, or is it just a global pool? While it's cool to have a global pool I feel like we'll get more donations by having specific funds for opiates, psych, stims, etc.


[3 Points] 666fun:

I have to say, im mildly amused by this. Ever since I first heard of darknet markets, the mantra has always been that they're great because the drugs are purer, prices cheaper, yada yada yada. After taking a glance at the markets, and through anecdotal evidence, it was pretty clear that the prices generally were no better than street prices, with vendors like Nod saying in his pre-jail interview that his prices were higher than street prices, not to mention his behind the scenes maneuvering to get vendors to raise their prices across the board.

Purity too has been this non-quantifiable thing, where dNM users say they're getting purer goods on the one hand, but on the other, constant stories of fake pills getting delivers, ecstasy with other dangerous compounds, recent reports of opioid pills only containing fent, etc.

In most cases, theae are the same drugs you'd buy on the street, you're just buying them online is all. It's funny it took so long for people to realize this, and it all came to a head over some underdosed LSD


[2 Points] None:

Great idea!


[2 Points] None:

I'll donate my spare coins too :)


[2 Points] None:

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[2 Points] AcidQWOP:

I am willing to donate HOS 100ug (Pokemon prints) if the community is interested.


[2 Points] CREAM-:

Glad to see my idea is getting noticed! (someother guy said it first but deleted his comment)

ill donate when everything is in order !


[2 Points] InfinitelyOutThere:

I've been thinking of this idea but was hoping someone would propose it first! We would be happy to figure out a way to have a secure donation link or facilitate this process :)


[2 Points] DOZENS_OF_BUTTS:

I can make a little site to advertise it and count votes and shit if you want. Can't host it though. Get in contact w/ me if you're interested :)


[1 Points] DNMd:

I'm very interested in this. I could set up a couple polls for us if you guys want me to


[1 Points] k9atemybuds:

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[1 Points] alfabi:

Why so focus on lsd? Drug test especiality quantification shold be based on harm reduction and possible toxic substance identification. People die from fentanyl OD from tabs sold as oxy.
Maybe useful data: i think that recent lsd lab test of bv blotters show result as lsd freebase (91 mcg) while its probably laced with tartarate salt e.g. 112mcg.


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] ciphersexual:

Thanks, there's much to mull over here.

Could you explain, for those of us who have never done it, the step by step process of getting a lab test? You mail the sample anonymously? The lab mails the results back to you, or they post it online? How do you pay the lab?