MDMA - What went wrong?

TL;DR - My latest MDMA use was awful and disappointing, even though I got it from the same vendor as previous times that were great. I am trying to find out what went wrong.

I am wondering if anyone can shed some light on what might have gone wrong here. I ordered a 1g of MDMA from a trusted vendor I have used before that has 100% positive feedback. Previously, I had ordered pre-measured caps from this vendor and had a great time, but this time was different, even though supposedly the same product in rock/powder form.

Previous doses in the measured caps were 140mg, but felt a little "stimmy" to me on the comeup, so I pre-measured the dose this time at 125mg on a .001 scale.

Set and setting were at the end a long, but good day. The wife and I had thrown a dinner party and, although it was a lot of work and we were a little tired, the party was a success with good vibes, no drama, and everyone left happy. Setting was at home, in bed, next to my super-cool and naked wife, planning to drop some high-grade molly and get our fuck on.

No alcohol or other mood-altering substances were consumed this day. Last food intake was about 3 hours prior to dropping. The only substances taken beforehand were for me, 30 minutes before, about 25 mg of Viagra for obvious reasons, and about 4mg of Zofran/ondansetron for nausea. I had taken the Viagra on previous rolls with no problem. The Zofran was a new addition. The measured doses were mixed with cola, stirred and swallowed. The substance had sort of a "sickly sweet" smell, but a bitter taste. Immediately following the drop, took 2 hits of a high-grade sativa (weed). This has also been done on previous uses to help kick off the roll, and combat nausea.

The results were markedly different. Although this was a supposedly lower dose than previous uses, the onset was nearly immediate. Comeup was very sharp and rapid. Started getting tactile sensation increase by about 30 minutes, and that felt great, but then in an hour that went away, WTF? And then it started getting very overstimulating.

For the next two hours, heart rate went from normal 80bpm resting rate to cycling between 120-130 bpm as measured with a pulse-oximeter. This was while laying in bed watching tv. Then very uncomfortable over-stimulation, literally causing all-over body pain in "waves" that came about every 15 or so minutes. The lulls in-between felt ok, but still with increased heart rate, but no real anxiety. There was a bit of a "loved up" feeling, but not as pronounced as previous rolls. There was also very little, if any euphoria compared to previous rolls, which had been heavily euphoric, especially once hitting the peak after the comeup.

Other side effects included dilated pupils, eye-wiggles, and sweaty palms/chills/temp fluctuations, all things I had experienced on previous uses. Total duration was about 5-6 hours.

So, given the reputation of the vendor, the duration, and the side-effects, I am inclined to still think this was MDMA, vs. another or adultereated substance. Of course, I can't know for sure without testing, and the testing kit is ordered and on the way. If I find through reagent testing that this is cross-contaminated or bunk I will followup and out the vendor at that point.

But in the meantime, and again assuming this was real MDMA, why do you think it was so different? It had been about 2 months since my last roll, and only my third ever, so tolerance is unlikely to be an issue. I take no prescription medications at all, so nothing to interfere with the interaction.

My only answer I can come up with is that this was direct powder, vs. capped. Maybe the caps took some time to digest, allowing for smoother and less-speedier comeup, even though there was the higher dose? The only other significant difference was the Zofran, which did help to curb the nausea, but most of what I have read has stated that it should have no other reaction or potentiation of the MDMA.

I hope I can find an answer to this because I love rolling, but if this had been my first experience with it I would probably not go back. The negatives outweighed the positives on this experience.

Also worth mentioning is that this wasn't trippy or visual at all, so I am inclined to rule-out MDA, but it would explain a lot of other things if it was.

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Comments


[11 Points] bowlingin45:

tl;dr you can't honestly say what you took was MDMA, sounds like you live a well adjusted life so invest in regent testing kits


[6 Points] RaiseUp:

Sounds just like Methylone


[3 Points] 30792581:

There are a lot of things here that could be factors.

Or you could have gotten a totally different substance. Eye-wiggles sounds like MDMA, but the waves of pain thing is weird. If it were the same substance, you should in principle have the same effects regardless of capped or not - the only difference would be time of onset - but set and setting can make a big difference in the experience.

A four-panel reagent test would definitely be helpful. You could also reach out to the vendor and let them know your concerns.


[3 Points] MrCrappy57:

Zofran mechanism has to do with serotonin (as does MDMA) and it can cause serotonin syndrome, which is what it sounds like you had. Dangerous.


[2 Points] JustOutOfTheDarkness:

I had a very similar experience not long ago and really have no answer aside from maybe it was an impure chunk from the batch, was it more crystals or more powder/gravelly? A reagent test wont tell you purity itll just tell you presence.

If you are so inclined send off a small chunk to Energy Control for a full quantitative test.


[2 Points] D2Warren:

Your experience inspired my friend Jimmy to test his stuff because his recent experience this past weekend sounded exactly like yours. His was 100% the real thing. Jimmy has high tolerance. He has done it 3 times in the last 30 days and 10+ times since he discovered it less than a year ago. Jimmy needs to slow down and you might need to, too.


[2 Points] Jammy_J:

thought it 100% sounded like methylone until you mentioned the 5-6 hour duraton. Sure signs on methylone which you listed are; - Extremely quick come-up - Loved-up but not as pronounced as MDMA - Over-stimulation after initial effects have worn off - Very quick (but enjoyable peak) - High heart rate/BP

Definitely doesnt sound like MDA to me. MDA is a lot more potent per mg and a lot of people actually prefer it to MDMA.


[2 Points] xXgsFfnbshYTnNBC:

Here is a followup to this post. I have obtained a 4-panel reagent testing kit and conducted a test. Test methodology follows:

Results:

Conclusions: Most tests performed as expected for MDMA. The green tinge on the Mandelin concerns me a bit with a possible amphetamine cut, which would explain my reactions, but the other tests timings and colors would tend to indicate a pretty pure product. As another test I took a ½ vial of TripWithScience liquid shrooms a few days ago, along with some sativa-type weed, the same that I smoked with the MDMA on the occasion above. Once again I experienced a 120BPM heart rate for several hours, even though I had taken a full vial a few months ago with weed but no ill effects. To be clear, I think this was brought on by the weed or the combination of it, not anything wrong with TWS tincture. I think it’s a great product. Unlike the experience above, there was no physical pain, just heart-racing and (later) anxiety.

So, at this point, I’m still not quite sure what’s going on with me, except that I seem to be getting very anxious and tachycardic responses to trips and rolls lately. Just to be sure, I smoked a bowl and a half of just the weed last night, and this time heart rate went only from 85-95 BPM. So, if anything, moreso than the weed, it seems to be the weed + X combination that’s doing this to me lately. I’m going to go on a break for a few weeks, and when I try again, I will go for just MDMA, with no additions (well, except Viagra, but I take that every time I roll and have not had problems from it before). I am considering maybe pre-loading with one Benadryl for the comeup nausea, and/or plugging the dose to shorten the comeup and lessen the nausea hopefully. I will probably also order from a different vendor like Alphadawg, whose reviews tend to indicate a “mellower” roll which is the kind that I am looking for.


[1 Points] xXgsFfnbshYTnNBC:

It's pretty interesting that there have already been 2 replies in less than 12 hours of other users with different use-cases, describing nearly identical effects. FWIW, I noticed on the vendors profile last night that they had recently sourced a new batch. This would have been within the timeframe of my order. This was US domestic, so I assume there is at least a chance that we were resold from the same vendor and/or original batch. Feedback on the profile did note some differences in the color, but all feedback was still positive.


[1 Points] boofk:

Might not have been mdma. Could have been the weed. I dont ever smoke weed when rolling/tripping anymore. Ive had tons of times where it was fine and i enjoyed it, but twice its.caused what i can only assume were panic attacks. Also it could be the quick onset of swallowing the straight powder. I know sniffing if different, but its also a quick onset and those rolls always serm to come with more anxiety.


[1 Points] Tussthethief:

The acidity of the coca Cola certainly wouldn't help absorption rates.

This could be a contributing factor in addition to the zofran which would be my guess.


[0 Points] None:

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[-1 Points] sullyrb:

MDMA to have sex after dinner party. you have problems man.