DUTCH VENDORS: Be careful whom you order from, quite a few vendors are LE operations

Check out this Website of the dutch police:

http://politiepcvh42eav.onion/

Apart from busted vendors and active vendors, It even lists suspected customer usernames and cities which only means they are active on DNMarkets and collecting information pretending to be a vendor. Otherwise there is no way they can collect usernames and locations of customers just by snooping the network

They have already shown that they can use TOR by creating a police website on TOR,

Dead sure many of the new NL vendors are LE traps. If you are keen on ordering from NL just use a safe vendor whom you have worked with and has shitload of feedback on markets.

Stay safe out there guys


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[8 Points] Dark_taxi_qestion:

It wouldnt surprise me if what you suggest has been done at one time or another, and even is currently being done. but that was a pretty tiny customer list on that site, honestly. I feel like a NL vendor (even w/o feedback) could easily get that many orders in a day or two, assumig they put up some good pictures and prices were reasonable. considering the nature of the darknet, they could even put full on fake-usernames on there and nobody would know the difference. because of both those things, leads me to believe those customer names were obtained from other means (such as through arrested vendors, or through investigations of seized packages).

if you think about it, from a purely arrest-numbers-padding or deterrence-of-potential-future-customers perspective, doing what you suggest would be great. for the price of a vendor bond, you can trick countless darknet customers into voluntraily handing over their addresses and/or drop addresses. I suppose it would be a good strtegy for profiling future packages, but it's a slippery slope. imagine in court:

"so how did you conclude that Mr. John Jackson was receiving drugs in the mail"

"well, we spent $250 to obtain a vendor account on the Darknet, and then procedded to steal a ton of people's money under the guise of mailing them drugs. Mr Jackson happened to be one. we then proceeded to monitor his future mail for drug packages"

just sounds bad. I know LE knows no bounds, but no matter how you look at it this is a financially irrational and excessively roundabout way of actually taking drugs off the street. even if they could 'break even' (make enugh from pretend sales to cover cost of vendor bond) you still have to pay a salary. the cops would literally be being paid to steal from drug users in order to fund their future abilty to steal from additional drug users. drugs wouldnt ever actually be involved though.

plus its not likely bulk buyers are going to order from somebody w/o testing them first, and it's impossible to differentiate between a 'test order' for a bulk buyer and a genuine personal quantity order. couple that with the fact the LE vendor account has a pretty short shelf-life (cant vend for long if you dont intend to send anything) and the odds of them netting a press worthy arrest become pretty damn low. and expensive, at that.

basically, lke most humans LE is lazy as fuck, I suspect once they start doing this they will do it A LOT. since that hasnt happened yet, I believe that for some reason or another, they have held off on doing so (probably legal/procedural/public relations reasons). but who knows. maybe anyone who got 'scammed' by a newbie NL vendor lately is gonna get a knock on the door


[4 Points] HollandsHerbs:

quite a few vendors are LE operations

I would like to point out that you cant draw this conclusion. For as far as we know the customer names you see over there aren't even real. The Dutch police could have simply put some random names over there.

Secondly you need to know that the Dutch police force is probably the worst police force in the world, especially when it comes to cyber crime. They have a huge shortage of detectives/investigators, their employees are heavily under payed, they are dealing with strikes, corruption and they have a tremendous problem of finding IT professionals (although thats a general problem in Holland). In Holland you can still buy drugs on the regular internet for example and the police doesn't even bother to take those sites down.

Operation Hyperion was a collaboration with the US police and the Dutch police simply wanted to show they could contribute and weren't amateurs so thats why they quickly made this simple website.

It also kinda fits their way of doing business. The motto of the Dutch police is (no secret) that preventing is better than acting. So thats why they invest a lot in scare tactics. For example every single thing they do is always heavily spread around every newspaper.

So for example when they discover 1 cannabis farm they will make sure everyone knows to scare off people from doing the same, although they aren't even capable of discovering 0,0001% of all the farms in Holland.

With this website they are trying to do the same thing, scaring away buyers and scaring off potential new vendors.


[2 Points] None:

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[1 Points] IntoxicatedCamper:

posts like these are important. Thank you for sharing. As someone who used to order NL -> USA regularly (and never had a pack go missing or be intercepted), I can firmly now say it's not worth it. Back in the Abraxas-era days, I think most of the NL fear mongering was just that. Nowadays however... with the DNMs becoming so mainstream ordering from NL is just a horrible idea on all fronts.


[1 Points] freshlysquosed:

It even lists suspected customer usernames and cities which only means they are active on DNMarkets and collecting information pretending to be a vendor.

Does it?

They have already shown that they can use TOR by creating a police website on TOR,

Tor*, and any idiot can use it

Dead sure many of the new NL vendors are LE traps.

Why? Perhaps someone can expose this in some way.


[1 Points] Dark_OZ:

I wonder how effective it would be for big dutch vendors to change their entire "brand" once they are being profiled or watched. Completely cut all ties with the previous name, change crew etc.


[1 Points] speedfleek:

Customer lists are sold. And seized during busts. This does not mean they are definitively setting up honeypot vendor accounts.


[0 Points] cantbethatcunt:

Hey guys, there is something fishy about that. Correct if I am wrong but if you have completed at least an order shouldn't you have a higher trust level than 1? As you can see, the provided link also shows users "busted". It shows the first four letters of their username and hides the rest. Well, while I was checking the link it showed a four letter only username, supposedly from Amsterdam. Searched for him on AB and there he is, member from May 2015. But with trust level 1.


[0 Points] free-agent:

You do realize that this site can be made by anyone. Just because it has links to official sites does not mean it is official. Nice try LE


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