Giving out tracking to buyers is terrible opsec

Here's why:

Situation A, Law Enforcement:

Buyer places order, vendor prints label and provides tracking. Buyer can immediately see when it was printed, where it was dropped, and when USPS picks up and when it arrives at the sorting center. Providing tracking CONFIRMS that it is a drug package.

IF the buyer is law enforcement they can now go to the sorting center and grab ALL the packs that have the same return address. If the packages are large (think marijuana), requiring the vendor to drop at a post office, they can see exactly where. Not all PO's have security cameras but if they do, there is time for Law Enforcement to check the footage and try to identify the person dropping.

Thanks to the mail cover program, Law Enforcement now also has a list of more previous drug packages via the return address.

Situation B, Stupid Buyer:

Buyer places order, vendor prints label and provides tracking. For whatever reason, package is delayed. Buyer starts a dispute, and foolishly provides tracking in cleartext. When the messages are inevitably leaked (see AB, AB again, DHL, etc.) it is contained in the database and anyone can view the tracking. This now links the buyer and vendor to a known drug package. If it was a large order, Law Enforcement now knows exactly who received what and when, allowing them to begin surveillance.

Situation C, Canadians & Bartards:

Buyer places order, vendor prints label and provides tracking. Vendor ships a large number of packages at once days later, giving the buyers time to congregate in /r/whateverxanaxsub and talk freely about what was shipped when and how long it's been taking. Vendor is very high-profile and ships from a known drug-hub. Law Enforcement now knows when to take a closer look at packages matching the packaging profile originating from a certain location and can profile/seize a large number of packages. Information can quickly be passed down the law enforcement chain, potentially leading to controlled deliveries or at LEAST assembling a list of known drug buyers.

The information gathered can be used again - if a new drug package bearing one of the known buyer addresses is inspected, they can look at the return address and AGAIN profile/seize a large number of packages.

Summary:

Providing tracking CONFIRMS that it is a drug package. MyUSPS does NOT provide the same level of confirmation, especially if the shipping location is not previously known.

Tracking allows for easier profiling and seizure of packages.

Postal records are PERMANENT (see mail cover program).

Buyers are OFTEN stupid. This doesn't even always placate the buyer, who may send follow-up messages asking why it's been at Hub A for 2 days, or why it took a day to update. DUDE IS MY PACKAGE SEIZED?!?!?!????

None of these situations even take into account poor packaging/postage methods on the vendor's end.

/METH


Comments


[26 Points] marktin1:

how high are you? smart vendors aren't tracable to their tracking or give it out. they don't make all their drops at the same time. they don't make drops under security cameras. LOL they sure as fuck don't use the same return address.


[12 Points] None:

Regardless if the vendor gives out tracking or not, if it was LEO I'm sure theyd use MYUsps


[11 Points] Xxnoah69xx:

People who signed up for informed delivery can also get a hold of that info without being given the tracking number.


[7 Points] dnmthrowawayobvious:

hmmmm maybe thats why most vendors dont give tracking, duh.

If they do it is usually late in the shipment(after sorting center), and if the vendor is using proper IRLSEC and has people who dont know his identity doing the shipping for a small cut then you solve that problem. Most vendors couldn't give two shits about their shippers and allow them to get pinched all the time in order to please customers.


[5 Points] rctossmeout2:

Usps has a new thing called informed delivery. If you sign up for it, it automatically tracks any package sent to your address for you, gives you the tracking number and a little more info.


[3 Points] mancelicious:

What everyone needs to take in to consideration mail is sent out everyday from billions of people think about it they cant get everyone...


[2 Points] thatnicca21:

Either way that information is gonna be available to the buyer no matter what. Once they get the package they have the TN and can immediately use that to investigate...

IMO TN should only be provided on large/expensive orders, not for every 100 pack some kid orders.


[2 Points] Spicy_Tripp:

MyUSPS... If the vendor doesn't come up there just sit and wait for your damn pack don't be so impatient. If it hits over 5 days sometimes I will kindly ask the vendor to check (I had a vendor forget to send my pack 2 times, had to ask...) USPS has the capability to see all IP addresses that track packs.


[1 Points] Soju66:

whys using the same return address considered bad ? couldnt it be that one nigga selling shit on the clearnet ? legal shit ? and if u use fucking different return address for every packages wouldnt that be more retardedly suspicious ?


[-2 Points] DickCheeseKillah:

I completely agree. I would nerve give out tracking if I was vending but sadly kids here would shit a brick you don't give some of them their precious tracking.