PSA: different LSD 'xtals' don't make a difference, it's all placebo. Don't fall for those marketing buzzwords. Proof inside

Basically, a vendor on TMG had a single type of LSD, but laid multiple different blotters and sold them as "different crystals".

We're not here to discuss the ethics of this so please open a new thread if you wish to do so.

He called some "JoR #5", some "Reptile Jizz", some "Indian Rose", and people fell for it.

They all reported differences in their trips because they KNEW the crystal used was different. But it wasn't! It was all placebo.

Here's the TMG link:

<TMG url>/index.php?topic=5884.msg69434#msg69434

(you'll have to add the onion part yourself)

I'll quote the entire post here so you don't have to bother opening Tor:

Yes this is why we decided to name it Jizz, to poke fun at all of the silly folks saying Zicot had that batch made just for the 50th anniversary Grateful Dead concert which was alleged to give superpowers to mere mortals.

LSD is LSD, anything aside from purity percentage is purely marketing. Anything that tests positive for LSD is sure to be a wonderful time, every LSD vendor around has fantastic product.

We have discussed this too many times before and to prove a point we've sold the same batch of product in different dosages as "JoR #5" "American Gunmetal" "Reptile Jizz" "Indian Rose" and received wildly different trip reports.

The key here is that dosage, and preconceived notions in the users' head along with set/setting are the determining factors in a users trip.

Erowid had experienced trippers compare street acid to an unsealed vial of LSD straight from Sandoz and they didn't notice any differences. https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_article2.shtml

A few folks still say that if some guy listened to Lil Wayne at 19.43% volume while laying the tabs it makes the trip more visual, but our reviews prove otherwise.

Illuminati #DarDouche #BrokenWashingMachine

If you still don't believe:

  1. Try 3-4 crystals
  2. Wait 2 weeks between each trip
  3. Take 3-4 tabs, each one with a different crystal
  4. Go to the bathroom
  5. Put the tabs in a glass
  6. Turn off the lights
  7. Shake as if you were fapping on moxy
  8. Eat a tab
  9. Get out of the bathroom without looking at what you ate
  10. Trip and try to tell which crystal you ate
  11. Be honest with the results. We all know that admitting that you're wrong is not easy, but wise people admit their mistakes and learn. Don't be stupid, you're not a stereotypical drug user. Now are you?

Quit believing stupid marketing buzzwords. You're more than that. You didn't believe when the DEA told you that trying weed will ruin your life. Why would you believe a criminal that's just trying to make more money?

Needlepoint, white fluff, GDF, reptile jizz... these are all fancy words for 5 year olds. Be smart. Eat acid. Have fun. Kill placebo and confirmation bias. Use your brain.


Comments


[38 Points] None:

oh you dont say


[21 Points] None:

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[14 Points] Vendor_BBMC:

People think of meth as "shards", but shard is just one of at least 7 different crystal types which you see, if meth is very pure. Examples are "pearl", "needle", SIM card (little flat rectangles with the odd corner snipped off), "coral", and a few which people think are urban legands but are real, like "Angel Hair" (which looks like sweepings from Marylin Monroe's hairdresser's floor).

Obviously, "99.99% pure" LSD is a lie, any rational adult knows this. LSD is a big molecule dosed in millionths of a gram. If EC can't decide if meth is 50% or 90%, with a big, easy-to-weigh sample, how can they tell the difference between 99.98% and 99.99% Lysergic acid diethylamide? They would need a calibration standard which is 99.999% pure to measure the last 9 to +/- 10%, uncertainty!

And they would have to remember to put the stopper back in (I don't think Energy Control actually made this mistake, but DNMAvengers have blackened their name and made it "fact" now, like "bitcoinfog are selective scammers".

In my opinion, if a vendor quotes purity figures that are invented, you can't Trust them or their Team.

However, purity figures hide two factors.

With MDMA, you need half as much pure MDMA for the same effects as "MDMA" which is 50% pure, 50% sugar. Inert impurities and cuts are a dose / value for money issue.

90% MDMA / 9% MDA is totally different. Its speedy, eye-twitchingly-trippy, and you'll get red hot sweaty then freezing then hot again. Clubs with a lot of MDA going around in pills have a very different atmosphere.

Chemicals very similar to LSD can have quite profound physical effects. They're used in migraine treatments, or to abort a fetus. An uncomfortable body feeling can ruin a trip because it shouts "focus on me!".

You think everything in your life is wrong, and you're about to dump your girlfriend and your job. Then you realize that your life is fine. You just needed to burp.


[8 Points] GotMeSomeAlpandMDMA:

I was under the impression reptile jizz is JOR#5


[6 Points] PbcHw3M:

There are 4 isomers.
https://i.imgur.com/YEnUHOx.gif
The true one and most potent is only d-LSD.
This is the root-cause of this controversy.


[3 Points] octomarvel:

few folks still say that if some guy listened to Lil Wayne at 19.43% volume while laying the tabs it makes the trip more visual, but our reviews prove otherwise.

The carter 4 be acid laying music son.

=)


[4 Points] Professor_Spooky:

I always thought that different batches were either from different methods of synth resulting in different purity levels or from a mixture of LSD and another Lysergic psychedelic (Ald-52, AL-LAD, PRO-LAD, even 1p-lsd could possibly have been in batches or on blotter years ago while still not commonly known of). In my area I've heard tale of lsd being blended with ald52 or pro lad to produce characteristic alterations in the trip and then given a catchy name by the people dealing it.


[3 Points] TheOpiateKing:

Unsealed vials straight from Sandoz? What?

Also...no shit!


[1 Points] None:

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[2 Points] Ethereality_DNM:

The only "evidence" I've ever seen against this, which also happens to be purely anecdotal, is this:

"Many who used both Sandoz and Owsley - the latter came in tablets of purple (Purple Haze) and white (White Lightning) of 270 micrograms - say that Owsley acid was less mystical and had more stimulant side reactions than the Sandoz product." [*1]

I've never sampled Sandoz LSD myself so I have no opinion on the matter. I have, however, always disliked the speedy feeling that accompanies an acid trip.

*1. "LSD Purity," by Bruce Eisner, published in High Times, January 1977 Issue, published online at Bruce Eisner's Writings 2004, BruceEisner.com.


[2 Points] None:

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[2 Points] UxerisUnable2connect:

Take 1mg of each crystal and tell me that you CAN"T clearly tell the difference. This visuals are different. Pulsating things or light fractals in your field of view. Some are Very VERY euphoric, others are just giggly. A "few tabs may not be enough. But I know that at 1mg I can very clearly tell each variety apart. Its almost like wine.

99.99% IS BULLSHIT. That sort of metric is reserved for Pharm grade lab research and pharmaceutical use. The equipment needed to get that sort of READING (forget synthesis) Just sampling to that small of a fraction very very unlikely many places can do that.


[1 Points] Lucyintehsky:

People will believe just about everything these days.


[1 Points] MitalikaSucks:

I am not a chemist, but isn't there is a difference on the quality/purity that caused by the quality of equipment and accuracy of temperatures ?

And where is the promised proof? If somebody fooled his customers advertising different LSD while using exactly the same crystal, doesn't mean that every produced LSD will be exactly the same


[1 Points] None:

This is known


[1 Points] None:

http://bm26rwk32m7u7rec.onion/index.php?topic=5884.195


[0 Points] None:

Different methods of synth will result in slightly different variations in your trip. To the novice weekend warrior it might not even be detectable. No matter which way you go the method you used is carried over to the finished product. Which is why chemical forensics is a thing that Feds will use to see who's making what and what way. A footprint if you will. Hoffmann's route and Shuglins route, though they both will give you your dextro L, they are derived a different way hence a slight variation in trip. And the dextro is the only iso that will get you high btw. Levo is benign. In the end though it's all still L-25 that gets you high. Any talk of fluff or lavender or silver is all just purity talk.


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[1 Points] Intothekhole:

What makes me even more mad is when people say dmt makes u dream and its in your brain! You die every time you breakthrough! It's so holy and spiritual! No, u just got high af and aren't smart enough to comprehend the experience


[1 Points] I_Use_Reddit_xD:

In my area, people throw money away stupidly this way. They believe that NBOMe is "just a different type of LSD", which allows dealers to charge upwards of $20/tab. They also believe that the picture on the paper correlates with the quality, and they are willing to pay up to twice as much for snowflake paper. I have a friend that makes $40/tab when blotting an entire page of NBOMe costs him $40.


[1 Points] None:

My friend ounce had a sheet of 'fluff' lsd it was real we tested it and Everythjng. This was the only acid that would just give me the scariest head high. With barley any visuals. I heard lsd is lsd but that stuff was definitely different.....


[1 Points] DexOyama:

Thats funny I feel like I know who the vendor is that did this test lol


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] throwawayitsatrap:

eat the different crystals raw and then tell me theyre the same


[0 Points] None:

Cheap dirty amber xtals is the way to go!! Inactive ingredients don't mean shit!


[-1 Points] None:

I think a bit reason these myths emerged is because of the following:

There are different synthesis methods for making LSD. Different methods cause different impurities. These impurities MOST LIKELY HAVE NO EFFECT on the trip. What they do is link the visual/physical properties of the acid to the %LSD of the batch. For example, a method that, after final crystallization, produces some kind of medium-length, purple crystal might also be a method that produces a crystal containing 80% LSD by weight.

LSD is traditionally laid using intervals of 1 gram per hundred sheets, thus producing 10,000 "100ug" or "200ug"--if the acid was totally pure--doses. If a particular synthesis method yields 55% LSD, then a "double strength" laid sheet will have a strength of 110ug per tab, while the same sheet laid with acid from a method yielding 95% LSD by weight will have a strength of 190ug per tab. Thus users and even sheet-layers with an incorrect conception of dosing and potency might seem to think that the acid produced by the 95% method is stronger or such. It's not--but if the tabs are laid the standard way, then the tabs WILL be stronger.


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[-1 Points] DMVbandz:

It's all the same xtal. Some have less impurities than others; so JoR #5 is suppose to be like 99% and JoR #1 is suppose to be 98%. I didn't really think anyone genuinely thought that there was different strains of acid lol


[-1 Points] southcentralmayne:

I think this is absolute bull shit!!!

I've tried LSD that had light bodyload (eg: Blueviking, Gammagoblin) And I've tried LSD that had real harsh bodyload (eg: Southpole) Each batch from different vendors are different. And yes I've waited longer than 2 weeks before I drop LSD.


[-1 Points] noonehear:

This is FUD. Why does water taste different when it is all H2O?


[-5 Points] None:

Yea, and drugs don't get us high.

Acid ain't basic.