Stealth is the most important thing

Seems like most people don't give a shit about it, so vendors didn't event try to improve it. I just keep reading feedback like "excellent stealth", "10/10 - perfect stealth" to international packages with plain paper page and vacuum sealed bag. Even the letter isn't suspicious from outside it is so suspicious when opened or accidentally damaged by post (which isn't so rare).

For fuck sake, you are ordering illegal drugs to your home, people. Of course, you are happy when it has arrived, but, please, be more critical! Especially with this recent LE activity and seizures. Stealth is the most important thing. If 1 of 20 packages got sizes it isn't excellent stealth. It isn't excellent stealth just because it came through this time.

Vendors just keep reading that they stealth is perfect and don't improve it, and don't change it over months!. I have seen maybe 10% vendors who stealth is not suspicious, when opened, and the drugs is even hard to find in it! But all other vendors most definitely don't deserve 10/10 for their stealth.


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[12 Points] badassmthrfkr:

I often helped my friend who used to sell, and I'll share one of his many crazy ass stealth (he's out of the game with a new baby and shit, so he gave me an okay). After the first layer of mylar, there is a lacy panty and a smaller rectangular box, the size that could fit a dildo; and written on it is "I got you something that will remind you of me!" And of course that smaller box will have a couple "Adam & Eve" stickers on it along with some stickers with random serial numbers stating the item being "13 inch dildo". In that box was another layer of mylar, but we never heard of anyone going through the second box (or even the first one to make the story boring).


[7 Points] hashwants:

I agree, at the very least the drug packet should be wrapped in some paper, newspaper, magazine whatever, if they do it right the entire end could be torn off the package and the drugs should stay put and the lumps be hidden.

I recently had some weed arrive that was SO obviously feelable from the outside of the packet, it's disappointing and worrying and I'll never order from that vendor again.


[6 Points] Vendor_BBMC:

Most of that feedback which talks about stealth was written by scammers padding their own feedback, I'm sure of it. As a vendor with 1000+ successful deliveries over 4 marketplaces, I can promise that maybe 4 in a hundred people mention the word in their vendor feedback.

You don't source bitcoin and install TOR to buy an envelope.The few customers who obsess about stealth often haven't taken half an hour to sit down and think through their OPSEC from first principles. You'll find them using iphones on a network contract instead of androids with prepaid SIMS, having to use web wallets instead of real bitcoin wallets.

They completely fail to understand what (and who) money-laundering is for, and use professional money-laundering tools to disguise the legal origin of their bitcoin and make it look like illegally-obtained bitcoin by tumbling it. Then they don't try to buy legal things with drug money. They buy drugs with legal money!

Customers care about what's IN the envelope, which is just a lightproof covering. Its not a domestic postman's job to search and open your mail. feel for lumps or sniff it - quite the opposite. That's how they get sacked. "I thought I could feel hashish but it was a gift voucher" is what they don't say at their employment tribuneral.

In my eyes, their are 3 levels of stealth. The most basic one is stopping the stink of cannabis.

The second is getting drugs across borders.

The one I'm asked for most is "SWS" - Suspicious Wife stealth - where a customer who has a wife who used to be cool, but now thinks he should be spending his money on garden furniture and the baby, and opens his mail.

If you want to learn how to do AND how not to do stealth, ask a scammer masquerading as a vendor. They love stealth because it appeals to their deceptive, shadowy nature and the satisfaction they get from tricking people. They can make a shipment look like anything.

Except drugs. eventually they over-egg the pudding with fake shipping notes when they could just glue together two identical birthday cards and hand-write the envelope.

Scammers' listings are about three sentences, with "84%" in the middle sentence. They don't talk about drugs. On their profile page, they will talk about the ENVELOPE all day long - stealth, reship policy, how you have to talk to them before giving bad feedback, how they are a full crew of experienced yet new people, throwing tens of thousands at infrastructure when in reality a new vendor doesn't know if he can support himself. Some kind of useless-in-an-anonymous-environment-guarantee, and some unenforcible "by buying from us you agree to our terms" agreement. No we don't. We abide by what the admins rule.

I remember not long ago, scammers used to try to look like real vendors:- not any more. They copy other successful scammers, or previous scams they did well with, and have their own self-referencing language, style and culture.

Its so pervasive that even customers parrot what the scammers say, like the REAL vendors are doing it all wrong. But that's what you get if you spend too much time on reddit and forums. That's where scammers and the scammed go to meet and enjoy the intrigue. and try to trick each other into smashing their laptop with a hammer because they've worked themselves up into being scared of the postman. When a vendor who started yesterday starts his own review thread on the forums, they don't even get suspicious.

People only do that the second, third or fourth time they are a vendor,. And that means they're some kind of a fuck-up who had to burn their name for some reason.


[4 Points] RuMcG:

What european weed vendors have good stealth?


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[2 Points] Theeconomist1:

Stealth is actually the most important thing to me, probably on par with the product simply b/c my freedom is pretty invaluable. So I agree 100% with you. I'll pay more to have better stealth any day. A vendor (think it was) on this thread commented that buyers talk a game about stealth but when it comes down to paying it, they balk. I have to say I agree that I see this a lot just from observing comments. I've seen people bitch about why shipping costs an extra $8. Proper stealth costs money. You not only have materials but if done properly, it takes time mailing from different post offices, finding return addresses, that sort of thing. Of course if someone is charging $20 for shipping and tosses some pills in a first class envelope, I'd understand the gripe. BUT, that hasn't been my experience. I guess i research vendors carefully and stealth is actually the thing I look for most of all. If a vendor had the best product, it wouldn't matter to me if their stealth put me at risk.

I think we definitely need to encourage better stealth by giving constructive feedback. Part of hte problem when I started was I had no idea what was considered good stealth for the product I ordered. But I've seen different methods and honestly haven't come across bad stealth at all. Just varying degrees of good stealth.


[1 Points] CMelo7:

I remember my first ever purchase for a sample of 1g of Cannabis.. they vendor was relatively new and had such great stealth. Decoy and everything, multiple layers, for one gram. I recently purchased a zip and it had "decent" stealth. Smell wise? Covered. If the bubble mailer was torn open though, it was quite obvious it was bud. These were both domestic orders.


[1 Points] nothingasitseems1:

I was posting in another thread about stealth and remembered this thread. I'm just going to copy the relevant part because this thread caught my eye last week and what I wrote is relevant and very important.

I spend 10% of my time acquiring/moving btc and figuring out what I want to purchase. I spend 90% of my time studying vendors, reading feedback here and on the markets. Simply trying to minimize my risk by carefully selecting the most reliable and professional vendors I can with the resources at my disposal.

Sorta off-topic, but I'll say this... I know it's difficult to establish yourself if you're a new vendor. Here's a tip from a paranoid buyer's perspective that applies to all vendors old and new. Your product is the last thing you need to worry about. If it's fire/legit/whatever, then you'll be fine. If i'm even considering ordering from you, then I'm pretty sure your product is solid. Here's what will keep me from ordering from you:

-sloppy vendor profile page. misspellings, half-assed description, lack of info, general poor writing etc. This is serious, serious business. Yeah, you're trusting me to release escrow - I'm trusting YOU with serious illegal activity and giving you personal information that could incriminate me and disrupt/negatively affect my life forever. So make me believe you are serious. Spend some time setting up your profile page. Be a good writer. Check it and check it twice. Let's face it... if you sound like you're in high school and don't care how your profile page represents you, then I'm not going to trust you care about my safety. MAKE ME FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOUR STEALTH. I don't have to have a lot of info (obviously too much info is bad) ...but at minimum I need to know you're going to print labels and multi-barrier vac-seal. And I would love a little blurb about your view on stealth/safety.

-Confirm and ship as quickly as you can. I don't care how fire your product is or how cheap it is, if your feedback is a noticeable pattern of slow ship/delays, I'm moving on and I will never even visit your page again.

-Stealth and safety is #1. You cannot control the security of the market itself, but you can control your own operation. If you put stealth and safety above all else you will garner a reputation for doing so And you charge for shipping whatever it costs to make that happen. I can't even believe people bitch about shipping costs. People like that deserve to get caught. If I know a vendor changes stealth often, is careful with drop-offs, printed labels, legit return, multi-barrier, etc... then I feel comfortable. I'll happily pay 2x what it actually costs in postage and materials simply for peace of mind and for the effort.

-along those same lines regarding stealth/ship... this is fairly rare in my experience (60ish orders of wildly varied products - uppers downers screamers laughers etc) but i LOVE true decoys. Buy a shitload of something interesting and legit that you can hide most of your orders inside of (if you're selling bricks of weed then you're on your own there..). Then, and as important, create a fake invoice for said legit product. Not hard. Find a program that can do that - there are countless free ones. And holy shit, here's an even better idea. Put my shipping info on the invoice as well!! You're telling a story here and it needs to make sense. It sounds like a lot of work, but if you organize yourself, you'll spend a few extra minutes per order and never worry. If you're selling single grams of weed or single adderalls, I'm not going to buy from you anyway. If you actually list those items, I automatically assume it's coming in a 9" white windowed envelope with handwriting and stamps. Serious sellers only please.

In other words, make it so if someone opened your package specifically looking for drugs, they'd instantly be bored and toss it aside. It's not that hard. I wish I could be a stealth consultant. I have so many ideas but no incentive or intention to vend. Personal use only and the DNMs are a godsend where I live. So please, lets not fuck it up by being stupid and lazy.

to OP:::: last thing you said, regarding feedback. It's an imperfect system. I admire the people that trash a vendor's stealth because such feedback puts them at risk and they are vulnerable via the inherent personal info one-way street. Lots of people are so happy and relieved to receive their order that, once they do, "oh stealth was great/5/5" when they were actually thinking, "Jesus man... I'm lucky this arrived. never again" The incentive to trash the vendor is lost once the product is in hand.

I don't know how that can be fixed. It's a unique and complex problem. My only suggestion is that if the stealth was subpar and you don't want to publicly tarnish the vendor's rep ( make no mistake, some vendors absolutely deserve, need, and warrant public trashing) at least privately contact the vendor and voice your concerns. If i were a vendor I would really appreciate and respect that.


[1 Points] PsychedelicTangerine:

sounds like expensive dildo stealth