Advice needed from Heroin vets

I understand Heroin is a different beast so I want to be transparent about this and need some advice on how to NOT become dependent on it. Basically I'm wondering how often I can do it without experiencing any sickness or dependance before it actually becomes a problem/addiction. I only snort so smoking and IV will never happen and I understand that tolerance builds rather quickly. So my question is, how often can I do H and at what rate and amount so it can be a 'recreation' and not go through any withdraws, addiction, etc...

And yes, LandedGypsie's #4 is incredible but I suppose that doesn't mean much coming from me considering this is my first time with H. I appreciate your time and help ladies and gentlemen, thank you.


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[13 Points] DiamorphineKorean:

Coming from me I'd just say dont do it. But you're going to do what you're going to do. For zero w/d you would be ok doing it every 2 weeks for no longer than a day at a time. Good luck trying to kick it when you're an full blown addict.


[5 Points] OnAcidButUrThedum1:

This has been asked a lot lately, someone else is PM'ing me asking similar questions.

Just stop while you're ahead. I've dealt with this shit for 6 years off and on and I wish I had stopped the first time I got clean. But of course I thought I could buy it once a month. Sure, worked out well for a while, I mean, I was clean for over a year, I know better now. Then I started buying it every two weeks, then week, then every day and I didn't stop for over a year. I wasted so much fucking money, was in a terrible relationship, lost jobs, my father and I still don't speak...broke so many hearts in my family. I recently started to turn things around and everybody thinks things are on the up and up, and they were. A couple months ago I relapsed again and I've been using every day since...but everyone thinks I'm clean. Heroin is fucking terrible and yet I just enjoy the feeling so much...even when it doesn't bring me any joy, it brings me joy...it's a complicated mistress. If you knew me, you would be surprised if I told you I was a heroin addict. That's funny to me because people think there is a stigma to heroin; that they know what a Junkie looks like. Only junkies know that there is no specific look to a heroin addict. We come in all shapes and sizes. Don't join this club man. All I want is out of it.


[7 Points] justaniceyoungman:

"Morpheus 8:72"

"Thou whom useth the divine medicine with greed and ill restraint shall forever be in the devil's clasp. They who visit setaipo bound only to the third moon with understanding of the potency of consequence when ethereal boundaries are broken will forever be welcomed by the ever inviting gates of tranquility".

Credit: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/563776-8-72-rule


[4 Points] billybob928:

As a guy in his forties who has used IV drugs and opiates for more than a quarter of a century I can say there is no schedule or formula for or set of rules that will protect you from yourself. Addiction is a strange beast and all the cliches about "junkies" are not helpful. I believe it is more important why you are using a chemical and what state of mind you are in when you partake. Heroin and all drugs for that matter have a place in human culture . People use drugs because its fun and feels good. Often to celebrate, look at what we call it, "partying". I think the biggest danger in the use of drugs including alcohol maybe especially the last is when you things in your life get shitty and you want to cover up the pain. I think the best thing to do and this goes for all drug use is to do it when it's fun. Don't look for drugs to solve problems because they don't. In fact they can certainly make things worse fogging your brain when you need to be sharp, such as times of crisis. Sometimes it's good to put off feeling emotional pain for a while but at the end of the day you have to deal with your life and all that it throws at you. Sticking your head in the sand is not a sustainable way to move forward in life and if any drug or habit is getting in the way of dealing with your life then it's a good idea to change hat you are doing.

Some of the advice about laying off for periods of time are good as the physical dependency that opiates have can truly be uncomfortable but being dope-sick won't make you do anything. It will give you the justification you want to do shady scandalous crap. From my experience weak, shady people do that kind of crap anyway. If you feel you need to explain yourself and your actions to anyone including yourself maybe you should consider your doing something you believe to be wrong for you and not do it.

I enjoy my drug use and my opiates allow me to do the physical work I enjoy, building houses, and although my drug use has caused me problems I have not had the same experiences that some of the above posters have. I have never felt that desire to chase a previous high nor, have i felt that I have wasted my life or money. I have had to kick several times in my life and although it has been uncomfortable, the chills the shakes the vomiting it certainly wasn't the hardest thing I have ever done and with practice and knowledge it has gotten easier to learn how to titrate my dosage down and minimize the time I am nonfunctional.

You are starting out on a dangerous road, you should be cautious. if you don't have any apprehension then you are foolish. Heroin will fill a fool and his life with jails institutions and death. Even with vigilance and caution it could still turn you into your worst self but also it can be loads of fun with friends and for some people opiates are the only way that a descent quality of life can be maintained.


[3 Points] DiscoverInfo:

Generally don't do it more than 2-3 days in a row. Then take twice as many days to take off (4-6) to stay away and don't use. I have been a chipper for 2 years and use it twice a month (IV). It is possible (although heroin is not my thing generally). There are threads here recently on noob advice on starting with H (snorting), read em up. Go to your local harm prevention center and get Naloxone and get trained. /r/opiates has lady that send Naloxone to those that don't have centers nearby, contact her and get it sent BEFORE you do any H. Only then Do H with a friend who can sit with you and administer Naloxone if needed, but with snorting it would be harder to OD than IV unless your shit was cut with fentanyl, then even tiny bump could mean game over.


[3 Points] grizzlyadumbs:

I am a heroin addict, on for 15 years and clean for two years now. You can't do it. Anyone who says otherwise is full of their own shit and in deep denial about their own addiction.

I remember a time when I thought, "yeah, this isn't so bad! This is the life! Heroins not so bad, this is totally sustainable." Lol, I was shooting two grams a day from 6am to 2am and working full time, making great money. Life felt complete. Next thing I know, I was being yanked from my car by the county sheriff as dozens of DEA drew down on me with assault rifles trained on my head.

You simply cannot do it. Just don't even try. You'll probably try anyways so... I don't know. Good luck man.


[2 Points] None:

facepalm


[2 Points] ghostfacekhilla:

Just be warned. The cookie doesn't crumble based on logic. And your rules are made to be broken. At one point I bet ordering heroin through the mail was unacceptable. Why are your new rules so much better?


[1 Points] WILLMASSAGEANYWHERE:

Honestly bro if you can keep it to once a week and MEVER break that. Which is basically impossible to do. You will be absolutely golden. In terms of amount this is hard bc like every batch of h differs in potency. If you have a low tolerance it is SUPER important almost as important as using just once a week to keep your tolerance low. Do this by just snorting a matchhead sized amount, if what you have you believe to be fire about every five minutes until you are good. KEEP YOUR TOLERANCE LOW TRUST ME!! Also if you never break your once a week you can avoid withdrawals which is everything, addiction basically stems from once you get withdrawals constantly using to avoid it. Good luck. If you can do this you win life.


[1 Points] poolsharkz:

don't know anybody who has been able to use without getting hooked.. best you can hope for is to chip here and there... what usually happens is you'll start making excuses why you need to break your occasional use and use more often.. I'd recommend just about any other drug!


[1 Points] grizzlyadumbs:

The biggest lie you can tell yourself is "I'll never IV." I went from years of saying "I'll never IV, dawg!" To "hey man, will you hit me? Just once" in uhhhh oh about a fucking nanosecond, and I still don't even know why. I just did. You will too. I promise.


[1 Points] PokemonGoesResearch:

Just do U4 bro. It's so fiendishly caustic you'll have the whole fuck your life up but it's so bad it'll just last a month then you get to actually move on with your life


[1 Points] thesixgun:

once a week/no more than like 18 hours in a row, or sorry, you'll get addicted. if you can't do that, don't even pick it up.

Honestly.. i've heard of "chipping" working maybe 3% out of 100% of the time. I'm on a LOW dose of Suboxone, so it actually works with me. dope breaks right through. Heroin is so good.. you say.. I'll just take it tomorrow too it'll be fine, then you find yourself 3 days in a row.. and you're fucked...


[1 Points] TheGreatSkeletor:

What ever you do, do not tap the main vein. "In particular, users report an intense rush, an acute transcendent state of euphoria, " (The wiki woman). Transcendent states of euphoria is something I'm sure most of us on here could get addicted too, including you... At the end of the day you are going to do whatever it is you do once the sun goes down but hopefully you have more will power than most.


[1 Points] stilldogman:

It's going to chip away at your current state of mind. You're going to regret using it, but you'll keep doing it anyways. The 'off' times will become more and more infrequent, and the next thing you know, POOF! You wake up nauseous, cold, anxious and sweaty. I'd stay away - that's the best advice from a heroin vet that you can get. My longest run of active addiction was a little under 10 years. It gets harder to quit every fucking time you relapse, but I have noticed that I've wanted to be clean more and more every time (aka the withdrawals seem to get worse but the will to get back may get stronger).

Anyways - that being said, it sounds like you'll be using regardless of advice. If you were to use once a month or something (small binges), maybe you can manage, but you'll probably move further down the spiral every time you use. Good luck, homie!


[1 Points] Closet113:

I've successfully chipped for years, but it always ended badly, and took forever to get clean again. Makes me nauseous just thinking about it


[1 Points] None:

I only snort so smoking and IV will never happen

Yeah. I said that too. And guess what? I ended IV'ing. So did all my friends who said "Oh I'll never shoot up, that's for junkies".

Do yourself a favor and stop fucking around with opiates. Take it from a recovered junky...


[1 Points] coffeencreme:

Obligatory don't do it.

Never use on consecutive days would be my advice in order to avoid addiction /wd/dependance.


[1 Points] rocketmantastic-:

That's the problem, is you may find some kind of method for dosing that doesn't create a physical addiction, but if you really love the high it gives you, it's already too late. I managed to be a 'chipper' for over a year. I only used once a week, if that. I'd stock up on oxycodone 30mg pills on Friday, do 3-4 of them on Fri-Sat and be done for the week, then get back on the horse the following week.

A whole year without breaking my routine, until I did. It's just a matter of time. You could use once a month, once every three months, it doesn't matter. You'll slip up, you'll break your rules. Unless you can manage to just get completely destroyed over a three day weekend ONCE A YEAR... you're going to eventually slide in, so gradually that you won't notice until it's too late.


[1 Points] i_sink_and_I_DIE:

if you have to ask, you won't be able to pull this off


[1 Points] hajshhjdjhdueu:

"I only snort so IV/smoke will never happen" i think you are wrong