I had an interesting disscussion via pm yesterday with /u/HUMANPROJECTDNM. It started with some ideological comment I made and he sent me a pm. But the part I would like to share with all of you is in the post. I'm not going to lie, most of what he said went way over my head, but I sense a genuine care for this community from this user and thought this discussion should be shared with all of you. He asked me for opinions and critisisms as well as thoughts and ideas. From what I gather it seems like a good idea to me, but Im always optimistic about harm reduction and making this a better place. Help this guy out with your honest thoughts.
( I started the copy paste here from his part in the convo)
Happy to hear that, we are without a doubt only strong together, and that's why I love this DNM community, for the most part at least haha
I'm working on a harm reduction platform for any trusted market and Grams and you seem like a great person to bounce the idea by, let me know if you wanna discuss it and I'll lay the plan down :)
[-]to HUMANPROJECTDNM sent 1 day ago
I love talking harm reduction. I love this community also.
[-]from HUMANPROJECTDNM sent 21 hours ago
So to explain it as quickly as possible as I do not intend to bore you haha, I have a bad tendency to write a lot when I'm excited about something, so, sorry in advance :)
There will be two types of different platforms,
One that is situated on a trusted market, feature heavy, and allows for what I would call more of a immersive collective experience. And Grams will be keeping records of the labtests and reagent tests, Grams has said they are willing to extend the platform to have features as time passes.
I'm working with 4 different companies and orgs. Energy Control in Spain, Ecstasydata in USA, EZTest in NL, and a UK based reagent-testing company (And the UK based company actually has fentanyl tests which I think will be greatly appreciated)
Users and vendors will be able to crowdfund into three different funds. 1. General fund for labtests 2. General fund for reagent-tests 3. Fund for labtesting of specific vendors drugs
General labtesting fund: The largest vendors with the most commonly adulterated drugs will be chosen first for the general fund of labtests, and after that it will be community voted.
Specific labtesting fund: Once funds for a specific vendors product is complete, past customers will be asked if they have a sample left, and if there are multiple customers saying yes, the one with the highest user statistics will get chosen.
I will also be seeking out people whom have access to labs worldwide, and are willing to do some mystery shopping (In a way so they themselves don't order from the vendors, to allow for me and the admins to feel safe that no bribing has occured), an obvious choice are the NL guys whom have access to free labtests, but my ultimate goal is finding somebody based in US whom believes in the project and has access to a Uni lab. Obviously a monetary incentive will have to be offered as I think that may be the deciding factor in a US based person to want to risk punishment, even if ordering just one dosages.
Regarding reagent-tests, these will be sold at 0% profit, and due to that the EZTests will be sold at a below market rate, I can imagine there will be people outside of the trusted markets customers whom want to purchase them, so I'll be selling these at a profit so that they are able to pay for 2 more EZTests for the platform, per everyone sold.
I'll also be selling MDMA Supplement kits at approx 6USD incl worldwide shipping, and due to the below market MDMA supplement kits and reagent-tests I have a couple of subreddit moderators whom have been willing to post this on the wiki/sidebar of their subreddits. Also got advertisement at Sigaint for example and so on so hoping to be able to attract people from different ways.
So one could say I'm trying to find the best way to do this and have it as broad as possible.
I'm aware that DNMAvengers have been giving out labtests for a while to people whom have requested to send out, but my goal is to have it a bit more board, and ultimately I think having a platform central to a market itself will gain more positive results. Contacted the mods at DNMAvengers but never recieved a reply, said I thought it would be the best option for us both to work together but I guess they want to do their own thing.
This is like one out of 5 projects I'm working on, the other projects aren't quite DNM related in that sense, but all drug-related.
Very interested to hear your thoughts on this, any suggestions, criticsm will be greatly appreciated, I haven't really discussed this with anybody in a way that they changed how I want the platform to be, and thus I do believe that I may be off-point on somethings and a bit to optimistic, confirmation bias doing it's role hahaa!
Again, so sorry for this long message, fuck me, having second thoughts on sending a message this big but it explains pretty much everything.
Take care :)
[-]to HUMANPROJECTDNM sent 21 hours ago
Hey. I love long messages!
I quickly skimmed it (but am re-chewing it as you read this and will re-re-chew it (LoL) again.
At a glance it looks wonderful and I would absolutely be humbled to be a part of something like this. If you know anything about me, I have a way of getting my point across around here, but I am probably one of the most skeptical as well. I think the main issue would be "trust". In this enviroment, far too many people are aware of, or, have fallen victim to tricks and scams. I believe there was an issue with the Avengers if I'm not mistaken. I have people who know more on that subject.
But if you can get me to trust you, I know the community will as well. I can't tell you how much of a great idea I think you have going here. The fact that your message to me is pretty lamen, I think would make a great interest post.
I like your username, it seems very possitive. I like you too because you radiate good vibes. If I can help in anyway let me know. I think if I posted this message it would be very well received. If you would like me to I can do this. Just let me know what you think.
My greatest fear is knowing that when money is involved, people can become tempted. If I would promote you and your idea, then you fuck over the community, my cred and reputation would go out the window. I work hard for the love of these people.
[-]from HUMANPROJECTDNM sent 20 hours ago
So very happy to hear that!! :)
Come to think of it when you say that about DNMAvengers, I believe I read something about one of their mods ran away with their wallet. Might be wrong. Seems like they are at a pause at the moment. Crazy, read they had over the time they have been up and running gotten nothing less than 42 BTC.
Yes trust is without a doubt the largest issue..
Your reply gave me the idea that Energy Control and Ecstasydata could hold a mutual Bitcoin fund (I know they are friends) and thus the labtest funds would be in their hands. That would work with the general labtest fund. But it would be harder to sort out the mechanics with the specific listing fund, maybe it would be better to scratch the idea of specific products being funded, to mitigate that, to have a sense of a more collective fund, and thus be able to have straight votings by the community. (that type of fund would also result in some funds being forever unfunded and BTC just waiting for a fund that is never going to become completed, along with situations of when a vendor is no longer vending and so forth)
With the reagent-tests that's trickier, would be possible with the UK based company but won't be possible with EZTest as they don't want to dropship (Thought it would be too much of a risk legally to involve themselves in a illegal market project) and thus I'll be forced to ship them myself, it's approx 3EUR per test totally incl shipping, so having a fund of like 100 EZTests available is hardly money worth setting up an elaborate scam for, and I'm sure my profile will recieve trust from my other projects that will be launched somewhat at the same time-line.
If one could put the majority of funds in the hands of the orgs and companies while me having something like 300EUR (Which would be low compared to the cost of my projects that I'll be spending and the money from the MDMA Supplements) at max, think the communities trustability towards it, would be heightened.
There is still the aspect of abuse by me or the admins, and corruption coming into play. One would think that the majority of vendors, if asked if they want to pay for good results on a test, would let the whole community know about it, anybody with honest product would I believe, and thus one would have to have a special connection with the vendors whoms tests would be corrupted. Us sabotaging competitions tests would also be of concern, but would also rely on having a special connection, must be something possible to mitigate us having such a power.
I really appreciate your offer to post that message, but don't want you to do anything you feel could put your rep on the line at all!
Absolutely made my day/night (6AM here in Sweden) to hear such positive things from you, feel compelled to do some pun about you being an angel but with risk of sounding too cheesy I'll save that for another time haha
PS. Regarding my nickname, it's from the movie Children of men, have felt it's a bit of a pretentious name but I plan to make good for it haha! PS 2. Larger message than the first but you said you love long messages :)
( and thats it)
If any of you guys can wrap your heads around it let me know what y'all think. I thought the notion was deserving of the opinions of our community.
I really think the DNM community could benefit from this kind of operation. I would be willing to contribute time and effort toward a project like this. Hopefully others would ad well. I strongly believe in harm reduction and I think there's not enough of that going on right now. I recently donated to EcstasyData because their work saves lives.
The only qualm that I have with your general plan is about partnering with a market. That would present some conflict-of-interest issues and quite possibly expose the project to legal liability.
I'm heading to bed soon but I would love to flesh out some of these ideas tomorrow. It's always great to see others who care about these issues.