About Fentanyl, part 2

Here is part 2 if you have not seen it

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/4kbng2/about_fentanyl/

We had a very good discussion there that I would like to continue.

Here are some points that were brought up that I would like to expand upon.

Enforcement

Its my belief that self enforcement will happen. Vendors tend to look at their competition, and if they notice that something is wrong then they will report it to market staff for further inspection and investigation. On smaller markets this may mean a need for more staff.

Why fent

When you overdose on weed, you eat all your food and then sleep. When you overdose on meth you eat nothing and instead of sleeping you post on /r/darknetmarkets When you overdose on shrooms you look weird at the festival. When you overdose on cocaine you get a job at alphabay and make threads like this.

But when you overdose on fent, you die. The possibility of deaths weighs very heavily on me.

Alternatives to price fixing

The strangest thing happened, vendor_bbmc had a good idea. Some food coloring or a new pressie die, and so we simply make these fent pressies differentiate themselves from actual oxy. There is no problem with fent blotters, I have always felt that those are the ideal means of dosing fent.

Multi market collaboration.

However this brings me to my final point. Any such changes we make as a community cannot be only done at alphabay. This has to be an industry wide change. The safety and stability this will bring will pay for the new hires that the smaller markets would need, not to mention the name drops on getting second or third place on the signature sheet.

Please everyone, I need more ideas for any possible change. I have done my part for the smallest step forward, bringing in new narcan vendors to the market. I got 10 messages from prospective new vendors and we officially signed on 2 new ones and I think a third.

Every step forward is important.


Comments


[3 Points] C0INX4:

How do you prevent people from cutting their Heroin and knockoff pharmaceutical pills with Fentanyl ?

That seems to be the main problem. People expecting X and instead get slipped Y and end up catching ZZZZzzzzZZzz's for life.


[3 Points] ahajjjakajakljakla:

i think you are being naive. fentanyl is no more dangerous than heroin or any other opiate when dosed properly. everything you said about fent can apply to heroin. fent just kills because stupid ass dealers are greedy and sell it as heroin and people shoot up not knowing and stop breathing cause on a dose per dose basis, you get way more respiratory depression versus narcotic effects with fent than you do with heroin. i.e. you chase a high and euphoria that you might not even get before you fall out.

personally, i hate fent. i hate being sold "heroin" that is actually just fent. i think vendors misrepresenting products should be banned, but anyone selling fent as fent is not doing anything wrong. you are trying to enforce and add selective morality. naive like drug users supporting ISIS and mexican cartels who get their panties in a twist over carding. dont ask me why people willingly buy fent. its cheap i guess, but it lacks the euphoria of most other opiates... its pointless to me.


[1 Points] None:

Is it safe to say that a product being sold as "China White" is Fentanyl?


[1 Points] JRM-:

I completely agree on pressing different pills containing certain % of fent in them. Im not sure but i think 90%+ of the oxy is pressed with fent and some people take advantage and sell on the street and people OD. There is nothing wrong with fent if it is used correctly and the person is knowingly taking it.