Tumbling and Hansa wallet Question

okay. soo. 1.) hansa has a unique multisig wallet for each transaction right? If that's the case, do coins received from hansa sales need to be tumbled/cleaned? if they never came in/out of a site's hot wallet, doesn't that make it very difficult to know they were used in dnm sales?

2.) can LE/analytics companies tell thta coins coming out of GRAMS' tumbler...came from grams's tumbler? OR?


Comments


[6 Points] Doctor_G_024:

A bitcoin tumbler in my opinion is unnecessary. As long as coins are sent from a bitcoin bank > clearnet wallet > darknet wallet > dnm you should be fine. Investigating the transit of coins by LE if anything went bad will be the last thing they will do. If you want to optimize OPSEC then do so but i cannot give any advice on that.


[2 Points] TODO-burntheevidence:

+1 for scrubbing your taint religiously

we are all LE. Chief has us sat behind a desk in the corner, so we buy drugs online to cope. when you slip, we cry tears of joy knowing we've finally got the hot lead that will get us promoted


[1 Points] Sourcery_Market:

One thing to perhaps consider is keeping yourself anonymous from your buyer. Let's say the buyer is LE, consider that they know the multisig deposit address and thus know where the coins are going and know its going into a wallet you control. Thus while an outsider might have some issues following market transactions in this case, you are more exposed directly to your buyers. So I would say a method of mixing your coins is still important as a vendor.

My advice to a vendor is to be cognizant of this and to always err on the side of caution. Your risk profile is very different from a casual buyer.


[1 Points] penguinmixer:

  1. What if one of the purchases was conducted by LE? And the vendor took the funds in that multisig wallet and sent them directly to an exchange, to cash them out? Obviously LE has access to which bitcoin addresses on exchanges are linked to which accounts. And exchanges usually know your real-life identity, assuming you are doing more than a trivial amount of trading. So some kind of obfuscation between the multisig bitcoin address and the bitcoin address on the exchange might be a good idea.

  2. It's hard to say, but there are sites that track wallet addresses for some of the bigger sites/tumblers, including helix. https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/HelixMixer