Not Bug Bounties... Cut Bounties!

Just like bug bounties but instead of finding bugs in code we reward buyers for finding cuts in listed substances.

We put an honesty policy in place on the markets so that every vendor must disclose all cuts found in their listed substances. Vendors can use reagent tests for testing their stock and whatever the results they clearly state them on their listings.

Now let's say someone buys a substance that has no stated cuts, they then use a reagent test kit and find it has been cut with something. Now they submit a bounty on the listing which gets forwarded to the market staff without alerting the vendor. A mod or member of staff then anonymously buys a small amount of the substance and if they confirm it has been cut a red warning banner gets placed onto the listing stating the cuts found. The mod gets automatically refunded and the vendor gets charged for the buyers bounty reward. Alternatively if staff don't find any cuts then the buyer will lose their ability to submit bounty claims. New buyers also would not be able to submit bounty claims to prevent users creating multiple accounts and submitting claims on every listing.

This would not apply to vendors that openly state cuts in their substances and so bounties submitted claiming already stated cuts would be ignored.

The result of this would be a more transparent and competitive market giving buyers more confidence in what they are buying and less deaths from unknown impurities.

As you probably know fentanyl is killing a lot of heroin users right now, mostly because users aren't aware what they're taking has been cut. It's 10 times more potent than heroin meaning when it's been cut a normal dose of heroin can contain a lethal dose of fentanyl. The problem isn't with fentanyl itself, doctors use it everyday without killing anyone. If the buyer knows what they're getting they know how much they should take and what the effects should be. The problem is with not knowing what's in the substance you're taking which takes things completely out of your hands.

In the legal world we also have situations like this where the food and drink industry gets contaminated. The way we deal with this is to have inspectors that get paid to test samples of products and make sure they are up to standard. There's no reason we can't deploy this same model here on these markets.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3041464/analytics/food-poisoning-in-las-vegas-not-if-this-machine-learning-algorithm-can-help-it.html

Using this method of monitoring user comments the markets can respond to repeat negative comments/feedback on listings or vendor profiles. This can also be used to alert of vendors attempting an exit scam.


Comments


[16 Points] Mentalpopcorn:

This seems like it could pose a huge security risk. Consider the following:

FBI sets up two accounts: one vendor (account A) and one buyer (account B). A listing is created by account A that promises no cuts. Account B buys the cut free item, pretends to test it, and then files a bounty. Now account A is expecting a small amount of that substance to be purchased by site staff. Sure enough, a small order comes in and now the FBI has a lead on the location of a staff member.

Granted, there are some logistical issues that would be to be worked out, such as legitimate buyers attempting to buy from that vendor, and creating account B such that it gets access to the bounty program, etc., but these issues aren't insurmountable.


[8 Points] blisshater:

A step further (one that i've been trying to communicate to all market admins) would be to ban all fent pressed pills that are in a non-unique form. I'm talking oxydocone 30mg pressed with fent, OC80's pressed with fent, loratabs pressed with fent, etc so on and so forth. The purpose of these popular pills being pressed with fent is for SOMEONE down the line to sell them as if they were real pharmaceuticals. The vendor can say its pressed with fent all they want but someoen on the street WILL sell it for $1/mg or w/e the going rate is for real deal pills. People will take the normal amount they do thinking they've always done this much and they will fucking OD and die bc of a piece of shit who wants to make an extra $5 per pill or something. We need to outright ban fent in forms other than powder or a unique pill press. If this is blanket done across all the markets... I guarantee the lives that will be saved in the US alone will be staggering. The govt will not know what or how all the OD numbers dropped so much. Can we not be altruistic for once and do something for the greater good of humanity? I personally hate fent and wouldn't mind banning it outright but I know that some folks actually do like it and use it. For their sake, keep it on the markets. Just please please PLEASE start regulating pills pressed with fent in the form of other popular opiates. This is the real problem here that without action will continue to kill our brothers and sisters daily and in larger and larger numbers.


[4 Points] jjcooli0h:

We put an honesty policy in place on the markets so that every vendor must disclose all cuts found in their listed substances.

Vendors ≠ manufacturers

Relying on vendors to perform Mass spectrometry on their listed items would simply lead to a marketplace with 0 vendors. And the Slovakian guy who ran "Bloomfield Market" already tried running a DNM with no vendors. It didn't work.

And unfortunately, the reality is such that unless

  1. you know people having expert-level knowledge in opiate chemistry (a surpringly esoteric subject), or
  2. you get Pfizer Pharmaceuticals® to sign up for a vendor account…

then mass spectrometry is essentially what would be needed in order to meet your prohibitive requirements.

I like the concept of it and all, but bear in mind that realistically, most vendors and users can barely manage to utilize the f'n postal system without fucking it up.


[1 Points] throwahooawayyfoe:

This seems like a logical step to me. Although I would be worried it might encourage shady vendors to find new cuts to use (or just the golden oldies like rock salt and flour) that don't easily show up just using regular reagent testing methods.


[1 Points] None:

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