To anyone considering replacing their Adderall prescription with Methamphetamine, please read..

I've been a (severe) drug addict for atleast 7 years now, and for about 2 years I was only getting my drugs off of the DNMs. Surprisingly/unsurprisingly one of the first drugs I ordered off the markets (Nucleus RIP) was Methamphetamine. It was for the same reason I have seen HUNDREDS of teenagers and young adults order meth as well, their ADD/ADHD medication either runs out too fast nowadays, they just want to be higher for longer, or they don't have their own script and are sick of spending $10 on like 20mg of Amphetamine Salts from their friend in science class that can never sit still.

I much too often see people ask "What's a good, cheap replacement for my ADD/ADHD medication?" And like 30 people just say "Just fuckin order some crystal and boof it pussy." (I want to say I'm paraphrasing but I'm almost positive that's been said here plenty of times). And after shooting up nearly every drug that can be shot up on this planet, especially meth, I've got A LOT to say about this.

If you're past say... 25 or so, and you've done plenty of heaving drinking and hard drugging, and would likely consider yourself an addict, there's not much I can say to stop you from ordering meth. Because let's be honest, it's quite literally the most effective and cheapest alternative to Adderall/Vyvanse/Dexedrine, etc. It gets you incredibly high regardless of the RoA, although it REALLY fucks you up if you shoot or even boof it. It lasts seemingly forever, literally days from one average dose. It feels like a much stronger and more effective version of Adderall, because it is. And it's probably the cheapest heavily addictive drug out there, $100 of Heroin lasted me 24 hours if I tried to use it sparingly, and $100 of Methamphetamine lasted me weeks and weeks. Even with nearly daily use. I know everyone is different and some people do like fuckin' half gram shots of high quality meth, but that's insane and I would be dead in a month if I started doing that.

That being said, if you're a responsible person, if you've got a car, a house, a job, a savings account that isn't negative, etc. then holy mother of God, DO NOT TRY AND USE METH RESPONSIBLY. I'm tired of the "It's easy as fuck, I'm 16 and use meth as a replacement for Adderall every day. Just put it in a capsule and swallow it instead of smoking, snorting, shooting, or plugging it." Methamphetamine is not something people should be messing with period, especially daily. I end up in the hospital about 75% of the time I go on a meth binge. You will see people, animals, objects that aren't really there after a while. You will hear voices that you genuinely think are real no matter how intelligent and level-headed you are. When you're binging meth and you're up for 4 days, you are guaranteed to NOT be level headed. It fucks with a person's sanity on a terrifying level.

If your doctor cut off your script because you're abusing it, find another doctor, stick it out and keep buying actual pharmaceutical meds, or try something safer and also cheap such as modafinil, phenethylamine, phenylpiracetam, and many other USUALLY safer alternatives that can be found on the markets. I understand needing a boost in energy and motivation to get more homework done, or wake up in the morning, but just like all hard drugs, meth literally makes you more lethargic, depressed, lazy, and overall stupid after even very little use. It's not worth jumping from weed and Adderall every day to meth. It will fuck you and your life up, bringing the people you care about down with you. It's an extremely evil and sinister substance that can destroy even the most dedicated person's willpower.

Coming from someone who did exactly what i'm saying not to do, let me be the failed experiment. Learn from my mistakes and find healthier ways to achieve the things you want in life.


Comments


[65 Points] cmfunstrr:

I just want to get off adderall. I'm so sick of worrying every month if I'm going to run out. I want to function well without it...I'm too afraid to try. I know I'll be a mess.


[39 Points] LaughNowFlyLater:

meth will never be the same without RIP METH 9000.


[14 Points] uncle_espeon:

Clearly you've got good intentions, but unfortunately it doesn't work this way. If it did, nobody would ever to do meth, because everybody who has or does do meth has already heard this all before. You can't tell somebody NOT to do something and expect them to listen.

It's the same pattern pretty much every single time. Start smoking weed because it induces contentness, and you aren't content. This starts sometime between the ages of 13 and 18, approximately.

As you age, weed consumption gradually increases, as do societal expectations of you. Your productivity is inversely proportional to how much weed you smoke. As such, it becomes harder and harder to keep up. But you don't want to stop, so you pick up an adderall habit. Probably only a couple times a week initially. That snowballs, til you're doing it just about daily. But that's pretty damn pricy.

At that point, you begin dabbling with cheaper stimulants, final destination being meth. 100% of the time. No exceptions.


[13 Points] burden_of_boof:

OP: Thanks for the reminder, and I don't mean this sarcastically. Im one of those people. The good thing is i've been a steady non-binging micro user, the bad thing is i have chronic illnesses that leave me debilitatingly fatigued. Your post is good reminder that a) meth is bad, and b) methamphetamine psychosis is bad. However, I'd rather advocate the usage of plain ol' racemic amphetamines (clinical dosages) rather than the fluoroamphetamine part of the family.


[12 Points] Jyana:

I've always been able to handle my drugs and keep them in balance with my pretty-damn-good life. I was in a hurry to try to finish a project that I had been working on for 6 months. I set a deadline for myself and decided if I didn't finish by then I would move on with my life. I was two weeks out, couldn't get Adderall or coke, but I decided meth couldn't be that different than Adderall, right?

I tried a puff at the dealer's house, and next thing I know it's 4 days later and I haven't even left his place yet. I went home, slept for a day, then went right back for another 4 days. 6 months later, I was harboring a fugitive dealer who was also hiding out from various enemies (he was an unlimited source of drugs), I was completely broke, close to eviction on my apartment, and I had lost 45 pounds (145 to 100), and I was quietly having daily paranoid delusions and hallucinations.

The only way I could quit was to move to my mother's place in Mexico for 6 months. I relapsed twice in the first year (each for 4 days), but I've been 12 years clean from it since. I don't crave it or even find it desirable anymore, but I know if I were to have even a small hit I'd be off the rails again.

I know it sounds cliché, but I'm not exaggerating at all. If anything, this is an understatement. Oh yeah, that personal project? I haven't touched it once since that first day at the dealer's.


[12 Points] freshlysquosed:

OP you made me want to try meth


[9 Points] PocketNicks:

r/afinils Got myself off Ritalin a long time ago. Modafinil and Armodafinil are a godsend. God... Send.


[7 Points] None:

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[7 Points] hippihippo:

Woah.. great thread. I'm not into meth nor have i tried it but i do find it fascinating. this is a great insight. Thank you


[6 Points] TrueGodEater:

No one should use meth everyday. I'd go as far as to say no one should use any stimulant daily. It is not healthy. That being said, meth can be used responsibly and binging for days on end is NOT responsible use. You may have started with the intention of using it to replace your Adderall but that's not what you did. If that were the case you would use 5-10mg once a day early in the morning, and that amount isn't a "binge for four days" amount. You were irresponsible. If you actually ended up in the hospital multiple times on meth binges then you seem to be generally irresponsible and I would advise you to stay away from ALL drugs before you kill yourself.

I want to appreciate your message for what it is, a warning, but when you demonize a drug completely because you were reckless and stupid I can't take you seriously.

This is to everyone; If you are not responsible and in control, do NOT use meth.


[5 Points] AntiumLabs:

Did you just recommend a two flourinated amphetamines (some of the most neurotoxic drugs) as a safer replacement? lol. More manageable, maybe, safer, no.


[5 Points] Rick-powerfu:

I too would like to recommend not doing it.

Don't start if you haven't.

Don't continue if you have.

Don't let your life slip away so blindly.


[5 Points] EternalTurmoil:

It's a perfectly fine substitute for amphetamine. All you need is a milligram scale, and a little tolerance for inconsistent dosing. If you can't handle taking meth in small, regimented amounts you probably can't handle an adderall script either.


[3 Points] KingAristocrat:

If you're looking for an Adderall replacement, why is no one suggesting normal amphetamine sulphate?

Extremely similar to Dexies/Adderall (because it's effectively the same drug), doesn't last so long that you're up for days, significantly less addicting than meth (but obviously be careful) and the kicker? It's DIRT cheap. Love it as a study drug or to keep you going on a night out.


[3 Points] sixtynine_fourtwenty:

Thanks for this post man. I'm not personally in that position, though I am all too familiar with the anxiety of having your stash of 'work drugs' near its end and not knowing a straight-forward way to restock.


[3 Points] ManicDigressive:

Reminds me of a relevant story from my childhood.

Background info: I lived in the ghetto. As kids, the white kids were a minority and we would get jumped and have our shit stolen on a pretty regular basis trying to walk home from school. By the time we were teenagers, we had formed a strong, loyal group that stood by each other and protected each other (we were becoming a gang). At one point, the group became divided: about half the group was getting into meth, and the other half didn't want to. I was in the half that didn't want to. The group split apart a bit, though there was no bad blood; I lost contact with the meth guys for about a decade, but one of them (did time when he got caught with a handgun and ingredients for a meth cook) told us about some of the stuff that happened to them when they were tweaking.

Let's call my main guy John. John scared me, when I was a kid. He was a few years older than I was, tough as nails, charismatic, but kinda unpredictable. He beat the shit out of me a few times for reasons I never really understood.

John and the guys who are tweaking would hang out at one of their homes and just tweak for days at a time. By this point, they had become a gang, all they needed was a name. They carried weapons, dealt drugs, and had feuds with the other gangs in the area. A few of them got murdered in a weird situation with a bigger gang that was trying to corner the drug market in the region.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is that meth makes you paranoid, and it makes you even MORE paranoid when there are legitimate reasons people might be coming after you.

These guys all used nicknames for each other. I don't remember any of them, I thought they were kinda stupid, but whatever. It's a gang-thing I guess. This is relevant.

One day, they are spun into about their 3rd day of being awake, and there's an unexpected knock at the door. They freak the fuck out. 5 guys, awake for 3 days, all of whom are now carrying guns, ready for shit to go down. John goes to check who it is at the door, with an AK-47 held low, behind the door-frame.

He creeps up to the door, and peeks out a small window. There's some random, kinda sketchy looking guy standing there. He sees John, and waves, says something like "hello?"

John drops down and hides behind the wall. From across the room:

Who is it?


Stranger.


..? Who the fuck is Stranger?


What the fuck are you talking about? Shut the fuck up, he'll hear you.


But who is it?


I don't fuckin know!

John cracks the door open, chain still in the lock, and asks the guy what he wants.

The guy tells John that his car got stuck trying to go through the big field at the end of the street, and he's gone from house to house trying to find help to get his car out. John says the guy seems super sketched out and weird (ironic coming from John, given the state he was in).

John tells the guys what it is, and they put their guns away and decide to help this guy.

So now there's some random sketchy guy, and 5 guys spun as fuck, going out into the middle of a field together. The guy is kinda babbling to them as they walk to the car.

Then the guy mentions he just recently got out of prison, still on probation. Red flag, but alright.

They get to the car, and start helping to push it out from where it's stuck.

Then as they are doing that, the guy starts thanking them... he offers them drugs to repay their kindness (don't recall what type, it wasn't speed and they weren't interested) and explains that the car is hot.

They all freak out, because they just helped some felon get his stolen car unstuck.

They book it back to the house and hide inside, and about 30 seconds after they get inside the door, while the sketchy dude is still driving back out, a police helicopter shows up overhead yelling at the dude through their bullhorn. Cops show up at the end of the street where John and his crew are, and they are just holed up in the house, watching this all go down, bugging the fuck out and dead certain the cops were there for them next.

They sat there covering the door, armed, for like 6 hours. Nothing ever came of it.

That said, John did 5 years after getting caught by the cops, so for a number of reasons, John's a decent demonstration of why you should avoid meth.

There was a time where he was just a normal kid who wanted to have a little fun, and not get bullied in his own neighborhood.

Edit: And for whatever it's worth, John's story was corroborated by two other guys that had been there at the time.

Edit2: At least one of the times John beat the shit out of me was because I had gotten him and a few other guys jumped. I was the youngest, we were all running, John and a few of the others knew I couldn't keep up, so they dropped back, and fought. One of the guys made sure I got home. John and two other guys had their clothes ripped to shit, bleeding, shoes stolen. In a way I don't blame him, I'd've rather it be him that beat the shit out of me than those gang-members.


[3 Points] RealGamut:

Thank you for posting this. Both as a warning to those who have no idea what meth really is and as a needed reminder to those who have been there.

A question for anyone who "survived" meth. How the hell do you turn off the deafeningly loud internal dialogue that follows you months/years into your sobriety?


[2 Points] smellycat121:

This is pretty good advice, especially for the youngsters. I’ve been prescribed to add meds for over a year now. I got it Not for ADD (Even tho doc thinks so) but for a stimulant since I got a night shift job. That shit is scary addicting. I’ve gone from taking one at time to taking 4 just to get that high. No burno, I need to chill. It’s so good with some weed tho lol...


[2 Points] SingleTabs_Vendor:

If you have add/adhd though you aren't going to be getting as high as you make it seem unless you are shooting up

And if you or someone you know has unlocked the secret the rest of us haven't hmu!

I blow huge clouds all night and end up almost being forced into sleep


[2 Points] None:

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[2 Points] Hashmanstan:

Im all for harm reduction, but you don't start hallucinating and seeingshit unless you have been up for at least 2 days. And if you're using meth theurapuetically you don't take enough to get spun all day and night. You take enough to function. It seems like you have poor impulse control. sorry you couldn't use this molecule to better yourself.

Ps to anyone trying to start a theurapuetic meth regimen READ READ READ everything about taking amphetamines.


[2 Points] The_PharmaC:

According to Dr Carl Hart adderall and methamphetamine are essentially the same drug, providing identical effects. Would you say that this statement is dramatically inaccurate?


[2 Points] Suicidejoy:

This post is complete bullshit. Most of it isn’t based on facts. I’m not pro meth but I am pro fact, and 90% of this is completely false.


[2 Points] AleChemist23:

Guys get some organic chemistry book: AMP = I amine: -NH2 M-AMP = II amine: -NH-CH3

Just watch the molecules they aren’t the same at all :)


[2 Points] grophus-throw:

Meth's not the USUAL functional stim of choice for most go-getter professionals or students, true, but it's also not nearly the universal monster people make it out to be. The simple reality is that different brain chemistry likes different drugs in different ways. I've never screwed with opiates but cocaine was literally a snore for me and as for meth, I've taken between 10-30mg orally every day (occasionally skipping 1-3 days at a time) as my morning coffee for the last 3 years.

It has neither been a tremendous boon nor a tremendous benefit to my existence, working almost as well as the premium priced amp sulfate I was taking before that, except the dose is 1/4th the size at a cost about 75% less. Shit's like WalMart brand cheese for me. I know it's not healthy stuff and I'd honestly I'd rather have the premium amp, but in the same quantities I'd be dropping $300 a month to fill a niche in my life (can't drink coffee, gives me indigestion) that ain't worth it.

Looking back on other people's reports on meth, I guess I'm either the 1:1million whose brain doesn't jizz at the thought of it or else I simply haven't taken enough (or in the right administration method) to cross the magic threshold into crack rush land. Which, luckily, holds no appeal for me at all. But then again I have the common sense to realize that eating is not the same as snorting/smoking/boofing which is not the same as riding the Steel Express.

Reading other people's stories on Erowid and here never fails to baffle the fuck out of me. "The first time I tried meth I went from 100% straight to hiring a random Craigslist gigolo to come over at 2am and take my anal cherry" is probably my favorite. It's that kind of shit that I can't reconcile with my own experiences. Never had ANYTHING close to that. I simply don't get the dopamine release, just the low-level forced stim that's not as smooth as amp sulfate but also cheaper. I take it in the morning, it slowly peters out around 11am, I don't really miss it when it's gone, and I repeat the next day. End of story.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm fiendishly addicted to THC. Extracts, to be precise. Flower doesn't touch me anymore. Can't make it more than a few days into a "tolerance break" before the physical/mental withdrawal from a 1g a day shatter habit sets in and I'm willing to smoke ancient filthy tar to keep it at bay until morning. Both myself and my doctor agree I'd need to be hospitalized to psychologically handle any serious mid-to-long term withdrawal attempt.

But the meth? Nah. Can take it or leave it. Weird, huh?


[2 Points] 1875764183872081:

What's you opinion on street amphetamine (speed)? This is almost exactly the same compound as adderall but "available" in much more quantity for a way cheaper price.

Do you think it can lead to the same issues you got with meth due to no limit on avalaibility? Do you think the main problem comes from self-moderation or from the meth specifically (effects, etc...)?


[2 Points] capitalist4life:

Pharm amp vs. street meth is an apples-and-oranges comparison. Re-run your experiment using either of the following conditions: - Adderall vs. Desoxyn - Illicit d-amphetamine sulfate vs. illicit d-methamphetamine HCl


[1 Points] samwhiskey:

I've done meth a couple of times and didn't really care for it.


[1 Points] daswede420:

switch to Lyrica & suboxone. Feeling is similar to adderall, lots of energy and feeling of invulnerability.


[1 Points] Imightbenormal:

I am considering buying meth, I have a medium to low executive function. And I tend to procrastinate..

I have ruined my life after a skiing accident where we guess some legaments (hablo bad English) where torn inside my hip area. I have a chance of bone fusion at my si joints, i cannot work without pain, and when I was doing some exercises with my fysio the old hard "toothpain" comes back.

I will order amphetamines domestic, became once I was stupid to order from the Netherlands and it got caught. I cannot see heroin on domestic shipping. But amphetamines.

Last night I did take some antidepressants with histamines in, to get sleep. And today I hsve woken up 12 hours after.. It is ruining my life this fatigue and pain.

If anyone reads this and is from Norway, have you seen these other alternatives on the darknet? Modafil anf such. Send me a pm if needed.


[1 Points] tacobellscannon:

If a few doses of meth make it impossible to sleep for 4 days, that’s enough to turn me off from ever trying it. Drugs are fun, but sleep is too damn important.

Also, I would assume the comedown is vicious.


[1 Points] OptionalAccountant:

Sounds like you were abusing it too hard. I never understood why/how people keep taking the shit for days on end without sleep, shit is fucking stupid. Just take it like normal and not after 2 PM and it really isn’t much different from adderall. I had a bunch of blue snowflake methamphetamine pills and they were nice, slightly better and cleaner than adderall, but I would only eat or snort them during the day and never had a problem, just don’t redose at 10 PM every night or take crazy doses to where you are shaking and tweaking like a fucktard.


[1 Points] Dyslexic-Wizrad:

Last I checked, the effect life of meth was several hours, not multiple days.


[1 Points] Dennis_Laid:

Don’t do it. I’ve had three mirror careers in my life, one Coke, and two speed.


[1 Points] magicthrowaway12312:

Accurate post is accurate.

I grew up on prescribed adderall and other stimulants, it warps your brain to grow up like that.

I used to have a big addy problem and I can confirm that life is infinitely better off of it, glad I never made the switch to meth (and sadly I've considered it on here several times). I was your classic binge user who would pick up a script and be high for a week then not leave my bed for 2 weeks.


[1 Points] GandalfTheEnt:

Not trying to condone it but I've used meth successfully in the weeks coming up to exams for the last 3 years.

I use 8-12mg very early in the morning after a heavy breakfast and force myself to eat a big healthy meal with a beer in the evening to take the edge off. I never redose and don't do it more than 3-4 times a week. I also have a study plan prepared beforehand and all of my notes organised/ house cleaned.

I'm not saying people should do this as the drug is very addictive but it has worked for me, probably because stims aren't really my thing. Even with coke I can take it or leave it.


[1 Points] y0ungreezy77:

never knew people use meth as a substitute for vyvance thats crazy


[1 Points] _pocketGod:

would give gold if i could


[1 Points] throwawayjoerogan:

why do you twats think you need anything in the first place? dumb on speed is beat by smart on weed everyday.


[1 Points] Thx002:

To people looking for cheaper alternatives... Try 2-fma


[1 Points] Rideonem:

I take adderal sometimes never had a problem. Didn't know it was that addictive.


[1 Points] Mike6o4van:

Agreed make good choices guys. Once in a while i relapse although I am usually clean these days but I used to smoke around a half ball of meth a day 9 months ago and its a habit where tolerance builds quickly - its not hard to get off of in my opinion but you always crave that high.


[1 Points] combatmonk:

Great post brother.

I’ve been through the fucking ringer myself in all kinds of ways.

Now I workout regularly and train my body and mind. It’s not as easy as getting fucked up.

However in the long run, it’s wayyyyy easier. Congratulations my friend.

May your journey stay clear and recover smoothly from the inevitable bumps!


[1 Points] Mario2212:

Is this the same as speed/amphetamine


[0 Points] DoubleStyrofoamCup:

Big Pharma shill...


[-4 Points] open__air:

cool story bro