Help me with my idea to prevent DEATHS and ODs in the opiate community. I cannot do this alone.

How would be best way to accomplish this goal with minimal negatives? I want to force a large portion of opiate buyers to buy narcan or its variants with their opiates, by partnering existing opiate vendors with existing narcan vendors. This will be done slowly, over time so that all groups affected are able to adjust. Early adopters will be rewarded privately and greatly.

My current idea would be to at first encourage and ultimately require sales of an as of yet unspecificed quantity of oxy, heroin, fent, and carfent to come with a minimum of 1 unit of narcan or similiar anti OD medication. Buyers would be couraged to prepurchase a minimum of 1 unit of narcan or similiar anti OD medication which could waive the requirement of additional narcan or similiar anti OD medication with proof of purchase and ultimately an automated means of checking.

I understand that in the cases of large dosages of fent and small dosages of carfent, many narcan variants will be largely ineffective. Steps will be taken to increase the amount of narcan variants available that can handle those opiates.

The positives:

The negatives:

I hope we can show the world that we are the shining pilar of harm reduction, standing against those that would rather see harm done to marginalized groups such as junkies who may simply need a strong hand where our best interests are one.


Comments


[24 Points] shillface:

You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

Just encourage viability of naloxone. If you're serious about it then why not give up one of your frontpage ads every month to a different naloxone seller for free? You might lose a couple of coins a month but it's difficult to miss those frontpage ads.


[8 Points] Bossmanrizzle12:

Please ban fent. It's just as hot as selling weapons online.


[4 Points] None:

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[3 Points] None:

What is next? Banning drugs for the "good of the community" and sticking to card cracking and ddosing services lol?

Let people have the freedom to do whatever even if they risk their lives, it's their own lives and their own rights.


[3 Points] Dy_no_mite:

I don't know your motive, but if it makes you sleep at night then more power to you.

While it's a free market, there does need to be some restrictions on the sale of Fentanyl, and I'm not talking on the sellers end. I'm talking about the buyers. Some people are just to stupid to have access to drugs with such potency. I could give a bag of pure fent to 10 friends of mine, and I'm sure 10 of them would end up dead, no matter how many times I told them how to use it and how potent it actually is. I want all drugs to be sold freely, but fent and especially the more potent fentalogs in pure form is just a bio weapon.


[3 Points] pintobeer:

i have an idea that would only require programming changes on alphabay.

every time someone is sent through the checkout purchase for a fentanyl or opiod product, shove a narcan product listing right in their face. it could work similar to how amazon does the "you may also be interested in this product" ads. godaddy does it too in an even more agressive way. instead of showing multiple narcan ads in this area, show only the cheapest naracan listing in the buyer's country. this would encourage competition between the narcan vendors. they would try to undercut each other on price to show up as the recommended narcan listing.

additionally, you could offer the buyer 50% store credit if they actually purchase the narcan product. if you are worried about that costing too much money, you could make the store credit only good towards promoted products. vendors will fight to outbid each other to be on that list. in the end, the vendors that want to promote their products will be the ones that end up paying for it. alphabay has so much fucking coin. i know you guys can afford this.

idea #2: collect an additional 1%-2% fee from all opiate sales to fund narcan kits for users.

/u/trappy_AB i will think more about it tomorrow and PM you if i have any more ideas. this means a lot to me too.


[2 Points] ShitQuantikSays:

Even with narcan on the general market, people are still dying from this epidemic.

Even if vendors supply it on these markets, people will still die from this epidemic.

I admire your compassion to try and prevent, but unfortunately I don't think it will prevent anything. It actually might help to convince people to try opiates, if they know they have the antidote to an OD.


[2 Points] i_inject_carfentanil:

Thank you for doing this. Seriously.


[1 Points] dilirio25:

its a damn good idea for sure. i dont have any input for the feasibility of it, but i hope you get it sorted, i dont take opiates but its good youre looking out for people

edit: could you maybe make it profitable on the vendors end? give them "bonus" for shipping narcan (though i dont know how to verify this/prevent shills)


[1 Points] None:

i think its a great idea (imo)


[1 Points] onionland_star:

saviornalox used to give narcan out for free to whomever asked for it...

AB could fund that...shit I'd be willing to help out


[1 Points] None:

I don't think it's fair to require the combo, but you should have an up sell feature, were if you purchase those products you get brought to a page that listed the dangers and has link to buy narcan.


[1 Points] heyitslambchop:

I dont know how you'd be able to get the narcan to all the different vendors.. also people wont want to have to receive 2 packs instead of 1 in order to receive narcan..

I think maybe what you could do is something like an optional fee system? Like when you want to buy an opiate you have the option of paying a fee to cover the narcan (wherever it comes from?) but can also just get it for free. Also offer incentives like free front page ads to narcan listings.

Also, in the US, there is actually increasing states that are making narcan available over the counter. The easiest and simplest way would be to simply try to identify the states that have narcan legal, and inform users about where it's available in their area. The problem is, I think it can get expensive. I think in my area, 2 doses of narcan is like either $40 or $80. Of course if you find a good cheap source that can be mitigated.

There's probably a website that exists that says where it's legal. You could inform the user about it.

Maybe another method would be to require either vendors or buyers to pay a fee to buy/sell in the opiates section and the fee goes towards paying for narcan. Maybe they'd have the option of getting some/all their money back after a period of time and hopefully some people will leave it as a "donation".

I think theres plenty of ways to do it and price may not even be the biggest hurdle if you can source it cheaply. The biggest hurdle I think would be getting all the vendors to stock it, because receiving lots of narcan would be suspicious and obviously they won't give their address out.. and also the second hurdle is getting users to receive a 2nd pack and therefore another risk. If people want to get around it, they will, just by direct dealing thru vendors or something. It needs to have a good incentive system and not feel forced.


[1 Points] pintobeer:

you also need an idea to bring in more narcan vendors which will create competition and lower prices for the end users. i know you already waive fees for narcan vendors but what about an idea to convince existing vendors to also carry narcan? like get 1 week or free promo credit if you start selling narcan?


[1 Points] crushdudes:

You could just require that the first purchase includes some narcan, with the amount on the listing page.

If you have issues with people not sending the narcan, you could make it opt-in and offer reduced fees if they do, or a ban if they don't send anything.


[1 Points] knightslider11:

Would the purchase of narcan have to be facilitated by the vendor? If so that puts a very difficult sourcing issue in to play. If the narcan is just shipped as a default function from the market that would be a true step in the right direction, but also leads to a whole different world of opsec/shipping/logistics issues issues on the market side. This post is a just a plea/statement of good faith to the softer users of the DNMs and easily swayed users of this subreddit from AB's PR department in my opinion, this comes from a user that uses their service almost exclusively at this point just to give a perspective of who is saying this.

So, concretely before you propose this "life saving solution" give us a plan for implementation, as it applies to your market. If not, this is just an ad for upvotes to get AB seen on Reddit.


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] lsdinsane:

If we ban fentanyl the DNM wouldn't be in to the fucking garbage state it is right now


[1 Points] trynakick:

Let's say a dose of narcan costs 'x'. For orders of opiates over a certain threshold, throw on a 'market fee' of x.5. Let people know it will be waived if they also buy a dose of narcan.

Or, easier to implement programming wise. Every dose of narcan you purchase earns you a 'ticket' to purchase certain opiate listings.


[1 Points] zippin_sizzurp:

If you're indeed serious about user safety and harm reduction, you should think carefully about the implications of allowing fentanyl and fentanyl analogs to be freely sold on AB. Yes, they'll be sold elsewhere, but at least your market won't be perpetuating untold potential ODs. I currently use Dream Market exclusively to buy H, but I would switch to AB in a heartbeat if you implemented a ban. I think many would in solidarity.


[1 Points] DecryptedTruth:

Ban fent on AB. Simple as that. Most of the demand comes from cocksuckers that resell it under different names or cut other stuff with it.