About LSD Purities

So this is a weird thing. I always hear, "LSD is LSD is LSD". And it seems to be posted by people who seem to know what they are talking about. But now I'm starting to have my doubts and believe that there really are different "levels" of LSD. OR LSD degrades into a dirty shit drug when stored for long times.

A long time ago, I got some berkley silver tabs from and old, beloved source. When they first arrived, they were very nice. I wrapped them up and set in a jar and was very happy. Over the course of 2-3 years, I noticed that the body load was getting really intense and the trips got very uncomfortable. I'm talking about an intense burning when I pee'd and extreme vasoconstriction along with a ton of pain. So I got rid of the tabs. and got the bernie TT tabs. It was night and day. I felt so good and light through the whole trip. No pain, no hypertension, no burning kidneys and pee. It was amazing.

So my question is, when LSD is stored for a long time, is it possible that something happens to it that makes it shittier? I remember the silver tabs were advertised and not as pure so they were cheaper and the TT tabs are advertised as very pure. Is it possible that its not just marketing?


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[40 Points] 33jtasdm:

LSD is by far and away about set and setting, and people really are unaware of how much so. The body load and issues you had on your berkeley silvers were just a manifestation of your headspace - I'd imagine it has something to do with you thinking 'oh man these are old tabs', but it could be because of any number of issues.

So my question is, when LSD is stored for a long time, is it possible that something happens to it that makes it shittier

No. I don't believe that the degradation of LSD is anywhere close to as it's made out to be. It degrades compared to most chemicals out there at a chemistry level, on a practical level, no.

I remember the silver tabs were advertised and not as pure so they were cheaper and the TT tabs are advertised as very pure. Is it possible that its not just marketing?

This marketing probably has a lot to do with why you might have had a much more positive set in regards to your TT trips.

There are other byproducts produced during LSD synth, and they can effect the trip

There is no evidence that any of the byproducts produced during an LSD synth are psychoactive, and evidence that it actually won't. I think it was Shulgin who ate grams of iso-LSD and the like to prove this point.

I would imagine I've done more L than most and I'm of the 'L is L is L' school of thought. I used to think there was a difference, until I realized just how much of an impact set and setting are.

The vibes you are around, the people, the music, the mind set you are in, the addictions you may have, and especially the overall health of your mind and body at the time, have a HUGE impact on your trip.


[22 Points] None:

"Cleaner" tabs are underdosed tabs.


[13 Points] None:

I don't think it makes a difference, and here's why:

LSD is one of most potent drugs known, with active doses measured in the microgram range. The amount on one tab, as pure crystal, would be about the size of a grain of salt. Look at anything in your medicine cabinet, and you'll see most drugs have active does in the tens of milligrams, at least. Take 100 mcg of those, and you won't feel a thing.

Imagine if you snorted one salt grain worth of cocaine, or swallowed such a miniscule piece of molly. You wouldn't feel a thing. The vast majority of substances are not active at such low doses.

LSD degrades over time, but by conservation of mass, there cannot be more than a few micrograms of the resulting products on the blotter. Since nearly everything is inactive at that dose, it is unlikely any of these products would noticeably affect you. LSD is extremely potent; odds are low that it would degrade into other substances are also so exceptional.

Add to that our knowledge of the placebo effect, and it's ability to make people feel different, even when they are aware of the placebo effect. You can take a sugar pill knowing it's a sugar pill, and you'll still feel something. We also know LSD trips can vary wildly depending on your mindset at the time you take the drug.

Thus, I conclude it is more likely you felt differently because you expected to, than because anything chemically has changed. As far as I know, no research is available on the psychoactive properties of LSD byproducts, so I don't know for sure; for the reasons stated, though, I think the anecdotes of different crystal types are probably incorrect.


[7 Points] Chetineva:

It is my belief that midrange doses of acid are simply uncomfortable (30-60mcgs) for most people, especially when they are expecting a full trip. When you have the body high and headspace of acid, but not the visuals, it's easy to turn your attention inward and analyze different aspects of your homeostasis.


[5 Points] bfmv2000:

You might want to read this comment


[3 Points] DooshNozzzle:

Placebo dude. Set and Setting.

For some anniversay of bicycle day, a bunch of people dosed with the creator of LSD some hella old acid from back when it was being produced by Sandoz. They made a doc about it. those old fucks tripped their balls off like it was just cooked the day before


[5 Points] None:

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[3 Points] Juststupidquestions:

Lsd is lsd. The purity of the crystal only effects the amount needed to reach a certain dosage in the solution. There are SO many factors within your own body that can effect how you experience the trip.


[2 Points] hoploir:

I have never had this happen. You should have saved the old tabs and tested them


[2 Points] None:

I don't know... a lot of people actually prefer the less pure acid. There was a vendor that sold "black amber" xtal and it was claimed to be only 75% pure. People RAVE about it and it is sought after. So I guess it just depends what you are looking for


[2 Points] germanamamamvendors:

I'm mostly of the "l is l is l" mentality, but there does exist very pure acid. I was lucky enough to get some from nrp, I posted about it a while back. he said they were dosed like his regular 100 ug tabs but everyone says they feel like 200 to 300, so we settled at 250.


[2 Points] None:

LSD is a molecule. Anything different is BY DEFINITION not LSD. There is no evidence that the byproducts during synth are psychoactive, but even if they were that has absolutely nothing to do with the LSD molecule itself. If you had have 2 samples of lsd that were completely pure, they would be exactly the same.


[1 Points] evanalmighty234:

I took one tab of pretty old stuff, like maybe a year and it didnt do much, but that was a year so i feel like its a little different than say a few weeks/months


[0 Points] polarisindy:

It's definitely not just marketing. Obviously it's over exaggerated and people USE it for marketing reasons. Anyone who has done a lot of acid of different types will tell you it's not all the same. The problem is you cant tell by looking at blotter paper or whatever what kind of crystal it is. I bet your talking about HOS tabs with the Berkeley silver. I had a ton of them and there was slight body load with decent visuals.

I remember this one kid when we were younger who sold gel tabs and sometimes blotter too. He sold a ton of acid but I always wasn't a huge fan of his tabs compared to the white on white I got through my hippy buddies. One time he had a ton of purple gel tabs almost black. They were very strong and everyone said they had a dark side.Many people had bad trips and I can attest the vibes off those tabs were off. And No they weren't research chemicals lol.

Overall there's a lot of factors that effect how your trip goes other than just the crystal. But with that aside there are 100℅ trends of certain property's consistent with specific crystals versus one another.


[-1 Points] None:

There are other byproducts produced during LSD synth, and they can effect the trip


[-1 Points] ojjy123:

You'll find that LSD really doesn't like heat. I'm not sure how fast it degrades but I don't like to keep acid for more than a couple weeks at a time, even if I store it in the fridge.