Banned by Circle. Always used a tumbler.

I'm really surprised that I got banned, given that I took all the precautions I thought were necessary.

My transactions were always Circle -> Helix Light -> Electrum -> market. I'm not sure where they would have picked up on anything. Never direct to market.

Other than that, I used circle for legit purposes for sending USD to friends.

Any idea how this could have happened or where I went wrong?


Comments


[3 Points] Kazaa99:

Why is this site so interested in banning users rather than earning money from them?

Are they located somewhere that puts pressure on their activities to make them do way more DNM destination checking, to keep LE and Feds happy??

I could see on their site that they have one employee (who sounds like he is from India) dedicated to only: "Extensive risk management, compliance, AML/CTF, fraud prevention"

Does anybody know why this site is so strict on this?


[6 Points] None:

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What is this?


[5 Points] BitchCuntMcNiggerFag:

Maybe place a wallet inbetween? I use a Rushwallet before sending to Helix


[4 Points] ShroomTycoon:

LibertyX has always been my go-to. No questions, just cash for bitcoin. If you have a location around you, I would highly recommend.


[2 Points] FrackingIsNotGood:

thats why you got banned, you tried to tumgle coins, thats a no no to them, oh well you live and learn


[2 Points] dvrknvt:

LBC and LibertyX ftmfw


[2 Points] Theeconomist1:

Remember a tumbler itself might be considered verboten as well. Just as a Darknet wallet might be.

/u/gramsadmin - is it possible circle knows when it hits your tumbler?


[1 Points] fakesndrugs:

I never got banned, but they locked my account and wanted more info after a similar setup. Circle-->electrum-->tumbler-->(sometimes back to a new electrum address, but usually) market. I blame my account getting locked on my stupidity, I forgot to disconnect from my vpn with an ip from a pretty uncommon country before adding a new card and trying to buy almost my full limit. Oh well, I've switched to coinbase


[1 Points] Kazaa99:

But maybe you could use an exchange as an intermediate instead of doing Circle-> tumblers.

There are several exchanges where you don't need to verify anything except email, unless you want to use Fiat for deposit or withdrawing. Then just withdraw from Circle to a hardware wallet and then to an exchange. Then withdraw later from the exchange. (If you don't need the bitcoins right away, then just exchange them to usd, and then exchange back when you need them. That way you are unaffected by the unstable btc price - and also look more like an ordinary user on the exchange compared to just withdrawing)


[1 Points] Bandit_Cannabis:

Same here. I had them suspend it once. Within 24 hrs said it was a mistake and reinstated. Now permaband and refuse to even review my account. Coinbase takes 4 fucking days... LBC cash deposits are only an extra 5%-7% tho. Only sucks bc you pay out the ass to piece together a 3-5 BTC purchase.


[1 Points] None:

I just tried to add my first funds to Coinbase and they cancelled my order. Then I switched to Circle and they denied the transaction and said I actually needed to call the number on the back of my card.

Is it common for banks to deny transactions to online wallets?


[1 Points] TripAddict:

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[1 Points] trynakick:

I think circle is banning for reasons other than watching where the coins go in the block chain. Maybe the have an algorithm that detects 'typical' DNM users.

Or, you just hit standard KYC limits and were banned pending more information...

Or, they look for burner phones, sketchy addresses, etc.

Ultimately, this is good news. It means that btc is so widely used that circle can put a ton of scrutiny on transactions. The more widely used Bitcoin becomes, the more those of us who use it on the markets can blend into the crowd. Sorry this happened to you, though.


[1 Points] None:

Aren't all known tumblers a red flag for circle/Coinbase? Why would anyone use a tumbler unless they're trying to hide the source/destination of their btc. That's money laundering by definition and it makes sense Circle/Coinbase bans people for associating with tumblers due to their nature as money laundering tools.


[1 Points] chef234:

I've been saying this for ages DON'T SEND DIRECTTLY TO A TUMBLER

they know the addresses and they know you're rying to hide where the money came from.


[1 Points] SilntNfrno:

I haven't been banned by Circle, but they put all of my payments in pending for up to an hour now..maybe this is standard. I do spend the coins right away, but keep a very small balance in my circle account. I always send direct to vendor so I've been waiting to get banned, but most of my purchases are clearnet/rc.


[1 Points] num3-Vs-num4:

I always use a clearnet-made electrum wallet that I send to from Circle before sending to helix, then a TAILS wallet, and finally a market. Maybe it's that extra wallet before helix that makes a difference? I doubt anyone knows for sure except for the people who work for circle and the KYC enforcers.

It is entirely possible that many of our fears (exchange-users anyway) is coming true, and Circle is beginning to crack down on tumblers like they did with markets. It has been speculated a lot that they might someday start doing this. If this is the first case... that's bad news.

Regardless, sorry you lost your Circle account. Sucks ass, I know.


[1 Points] None:

It has been speculated they ban for sending to Tumblers.


[1 Points] None:

Can someone explain to me why it isn't better to just setup multiple wallets with a tumbler in the middle of the two wallets? Directing your BTC directly from the exchange to the tumbler looks suspicious to the people you don't want looking too closely at what you are doing.


[1 Points] None:

not a good idea to send from circle to helix. use an immeditary clearnet wallet (mycelium) and then a darknet electrum wallet then helix.


[1 Points] slyscafe:

Did you ever think that maybe sending coins to a tumbler or an address linked to tumblers would cause the ban because it might look like you're laundering?


[1 Points] RosyPalm:

Any idea how this could have happened or where I went wrong?

Did you get any kind of email before the ban hammer from them? Might have went to your spam folder.


[1 Points] barrytommy:

I always move mine to a wallet on LocalBitCoins. Is that the thing to do?


[1 Points] RAAAAAAAAAAAAWR:

pay with cash and you don't need to pay for a tumbler


[1 Points] attilathehunn:

Bitcoin anonymity is way more complex than just using a new address each time.

Put your transaction ID from circle into https://www.walletexplorer.com/ and see what comes up.

Maybe as a new method of tumbling you could deposit and then withdraw later from websites like purse.io, changetip and loanbase.com


[1 Points] dandydaniels:

I use BTc blender, and a new address every time. so far so good. I got coinbase if I need it too I guess. but that sucks.