Vendors with new stealth each order?

Hey guys! I know stealth is a subject which we all must stay vague about for OPSEC purposes but I am curious if anyone has encountered continuously changing stealth. It seems like even the best stealth can end up being overused and eventually easily profiled.

I think we should open this thread up to discussion of ideas for continuously variable stealth and decoy methods. It would be best not to name vendors during this discussion but do what you will if it's pertinent to the conversation.

I think that it would be amazing to see a vendor take the time to have unique stealth. Even if it rotated once a week that's a moving target LE will have trouble with. Clearly there could be an expense to this that may raise prices. Also there is a chance that decoys or packaging methods could end up pinpointing a vendor location. By that I mean if the shipper is just grabbing random goods the chance an identifying item being used is higher. Change is not natural to humans and we resist it with habitual motions. An example would be a vendor wrapping up their goods in a (clean) sandwich box from a local eatery. Boom, location narrowed. No food inside it? I would bet the guy works there. Figures the one time breadcrumbs are not left is when a trail runs hot huh?

Go.


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[7 Points] None:

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[3 Points] rappercake:

A lot of vendors switch up their packaging/return addresses/areas they ship from, even if you're just using priority flat-rate boxes then as long as you're changing up the labels and spreading out the packages then you should be fine. Profiling is mainly done with the outside packaging/return address/easily visible stuff, not really the inside stuff. If you hit a point where they're even looking at the inside then something is off with your OPSEC.

Personally I've known vendors to switch up outside packaging and labels and stuff all the time, and some vendors switch up the stealth on the inside as well, but many don't that much if they feel that they're solid with what they have. One vendor in particular uses the same (albeit smart/unique) stealth method on the inside every time but just switches up the outside packaging, and they've had thousands of successful orders.

Anyway, I think the main thing to worry about is switching up the outside packaging combined with basic OPSEC like gloves/washing layers.


[3 Points] None:

Yeah but what if a vendor hits on a really really good stealth tecnique? Do you think he should use it only one time?


[2 Points] 666fun:

I think that you overestimate what stealth can accomplish. If LE is looking inside your package, it's over. No amount of stealth will protect you from those sorts of prying eyes.

And I can't imagine anyone vending would be so stupid as to use materials from their IRL job anywhere near their packaging. But otherwise, LE isn't looking at materials inside a package to try to determine the location of a vendor. They're looking at the postmark.


[2 Points] assnapken:

Modernlove. Best rotating stealth I've seen. Best vendor on DNM's if you ask me


[2 Points] deezyyyy:

Traphouse. I've never got a pack from him where stealth looked the same...


[2 Points] IrrigandumLigno:

Why would you create a post for everyone to expose their methods of stealth when you yourself state that it should be regularly changed because

It seems like even the best stealth can end up being overused and eventually easily profiled

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[1 Points] J0NJ0NES:

I don't entirely agree with your comment that "even the best stealth can end up being overused and eventually easily profiled." For parcels, probably yes, what you're saying is true. But for envelops I disagree.

I've been fortunate enough to deal with one particular vendor who's packages would blend in with regular junk/business mail. Knowing exactly what to expect stealth wise (to profile), you wouldn't be able to correctly find this vendor's envelopes in the sea of junk/business mail that gets sent daily. Even in a small stack of 10 typical everyday junk mail envelopes, knowing what you were looking for, you wouldn't be able to guess this vendor's envelope more that 10% of the time, which in this example is the same probability as randomly guessing.


[1 Points] Drugaddicatedanimal:

Mariosgramshoppe is hands down the most efficient vendor I know of. Different stealth everytime and hits my mail box in 3 days everytime.


[0 Points] 666fun:

I've asked before, and will ask again, what does anyone hope to accomplish by not talking about stealth methods on here? We all know that LE makes controlled buys, so they have a good idea of stealth methods. More over, with interagency communication and probably hundreds of buys at this point, LE likely has a much clearer idea of stealth methods than any DNM buyer or seller.

End result is that the community is at a disadvantage due to the unwillingness to discuss methods and ideas. There are no secrets here, if a vendor has found an ingenious way to hide their product, LE probably already ordered from them and added a description of such to their database.