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Title: ego death 1
Post by: Dutch Pride on September 02, 2013, 11:00 am
Death of the Self-identity
It is clear here that the ego or self which is annihilated in ego death is not the ego of depth psychology and it is not the actual self. It is specifically the self-identity. The death of this identity merely means that there is no barrier or resistance to the Presence of Essence.
The Point of Existence,
Ego Death Feels as if Everybody Else is Dead
To be completely you means being alone. When this is experienced, it will bring very deep grief and sadness. You have to learn to say good-bye to everything you have loved -- not just your Mommy and Daddy, your boyfriend and your cat, but to your feelings, your mind, your ideas. You are in love with all of these. letting go of them will feel like a great loss, even a death. It is not you who dies. What dies is everyone else. In the experience of ego death, you don't feel you're dying; you feel everybody else is dead. You feel you're all alone, totally alone. You have lost a boundary which was constructed from past experiences. But this boundary never really existed! It was just a belief. When you experience reality as it is, there is no sense of boundaries or of being separate, of inside or outside.
Diamond Heart Book II,
The Perspective of Unity Does Not Recognize Ego Death
Experiencing this unity reveals to us that life is beautiful. Prior to this, when you experience yourself moving from the state of the physical or of the personality to the state of the essential or of the boundless dimensions, there is the feeling that life is a problem. The best option seems to be to get away from life, and one may long to disappear or die. From the perspective of unity, there is no such thing as dying, nor of being reborn. There is no such thing as ego death, and no such thing as enlightenment either, since you are already the unity. This is the state of affairs all the time and always -- before you develop an ego, when it is dissolving, and after you are dissolved. All those parts are the unity itself, and so you are not going anywhere.
Facets of Unity,
The Idea of Ego Death is a Misnomer
One important thing we see here is that there is no ego separate from the soul. The proverbial ego of spiritual terminology is nothing but the ego-self, the soul structured through ego development. There is no ego as an entity; there is only the soul that can become ego by becoming structured with mental forms. Therefore, the idea of ego death is a misnomer. There is no entity that dies, for the soul does not die. All that happens in such experiences is that an ego structure dissolves, and the soul field is liberated from its influence. More accurately, the soul ceases to structure her experience through these mental forms. This can bring about the dissolution or transcendence of one's identity, but this identity is a feeling that arises from the soul being structured by a particular self-representation. A representation dies, but no entity. Depth psychology itself, as in psychoanalytic theory, does not recognize an ego that is an entity. Ego in psychoanalytic thought is nothing but a mental structure, or a system of mental structures, and the processes and capacities that go into its development and functioning. In fact, some theoreticians consider the ego to be nothing but the organizing process itself. "The basic proposition we wish to develop is that the concept of ego, as it has evolved through its several definitions in the course of psychoanalytic theory construction, has become synonymous with organizing process." (Blanck and Blanck, Ego Psychology II, p. 15)
Inner Journey Home,
Experience of Complete Ego Death
Beyond this experience, all light disappears, all awareness ceases. There is no perception of anything; there is simply no experience. When the soul is completely concentrated on the absolute there is nothing to perceive, for to perceive total darkness is not to perceive. Light is the awareness that arises out of this total darkness, revealing that the absolute is prior to light, awareness, and consciousness. This experience of cessation is the experience of complete ego death, for it is going beyond the world of manifestation, beyond even awareness of the world of manifestation. There is no awareness of self or soul, for there is no awareness at all, without this being unconsciousness or sleep. When awareness looks out again, which we experience as the return of awareness, the manifest universe reappears. With the return of awareness the logos appears as the displaying of time and space, and all the phenomena of the universe. We are here the absolute, the luminous night, witnessing appearance arising within it, out of it, but we still experience ourselves as the immense stillness and stupendous silence underlying all existence and all appearance. We feel fresh and clear, as if our consciousness has dipped into the cleansing energies of the source, and returned renewed and rejuvenated. This is similar to the rejuvenation we experience after deep sleep, except we are here clear and awake, bright and lucid.
Inner Journey Home,
Soul's Experience of Disintegration and Dissolution
To follow our example, when the soul begins to see the limitation of structure and experiences herself as presence, the structure begins to reveal its nature as a mental construct characterized by past conditioning, ideas, memories, etc. The soul begins to experience an inner emptiness, a meaninglessness, a dread of falling apart, and terror of death and annihilation. These experiences of falling apart or being annihilated actually come to pass as the structures dissolve. The soul experiences disintegration and dissolution, disorientation, and a loss of identity; she feels lost and despondent. These existential crises are actually elements of some stages of working through ego structures that then lead to deeper realizations of true nature, moving to timelessness and formlessness.
Inner Journey Home,
Cessation of the Activity of Identifying
The capacity for global disidentification allows us to be permanently in touch with our essential presence, although the identity and the self-representation remains in experience. This condition allows the experience of self-realization to arise, at least occasionally, when the identity relaxes to the extent of total absorption by (or into) essential presence. The more this capacity for global disidentification develops, the more frequent, and the deeper, are the experiences of self-realization. This development continues, in principle, until permanent, full self-realization, where total global disidentification coincides with complete absorption of the self-representation, and complete openness and flexibility of identity. Complete flexibility of identity raises the phenomenon of disidentification to a new level, beyond the normal egoic experience. This flexibility involves the dissolution of self-identity, or more accurately, the cessation of the activity of identifying. This condition, which occurs in isolated experiences of self-realization, but is the permanent condition of full self-realization (enlightenment), is what is referred to by some traditions as "ego death" or "the death of the self." In this state of complete annihilation of identity, one does not have identity in the usual sense; our identity is now with the presence of Being. In other words, our identity has shifted from the self-representation to Being.
The Point of Existence,
Without Resistances and Without Defenses
Looking at the relationship between ego boundaries and our definition of self as we have just done is a way to recognize how deep our defenses go. Resistance operates in a similar way to putting up defenses. Thus, having no resistance and having no defenses both mean ego death at some point—the dissolution of the boundaries that define us as individuals. And we create many other kinds of defenses and walls and hard places to protect ourselves from experiencing certain parts of ourselves and our history. We defend against certain situations, against feeling the implications of those situations and what we perceive about them. So when we perceive something but we don’t want to let ourselves experience what it makes us feel, where does that put us? Immediately we feel we need to defend, to create an inner boundary that allows us to see things without having to feel how they affect us.
Title: Re: ego death 1
Post by: 8447948 on September 02, 2013, 12:51 pm
dude that is deeeeep!
Title: Re: ego death 1
Post by: Weaponstech on September 06, 2013, 10:00 pm
Did a particular drug enlighten you to get into losing the ego?
Title: Re: ego death 1
Post by: Dutch Pride on September 07, 2013, 10:22 am
yup, dmt brother
Title: Re: ego death 1
Post by: peacefullsoul on September 07, 2013, 11:51 am
nice 1 bruv.. I ate 35 dried grams of shrooms 1 time and plugged into the mainframe.(my mrs tried takin my bag off me so i had to run off to the park to finish them)but yeah similar experience..the ego completely dissolved and only the watcher was present (soul) whatever u wana call it..life changing event . I do like dmt but i find 4ho-dmt (shrooms) to have a more graspable form of information..plus u can ease some1 into shrooms where as breakthru on dmt might be a bit much for those that arnt experienced with psychs.. I think theres a breakthru (kinda) on shrooms too.you cant really give a gram dosage though because unlike dmt which is normally refined and of known purity ,mushrooms can vary in strenghth.. the main thing i took from the experience was that all pain (non physical) is the result of the ego and how clever the ego is at disguising itself to even disilusion you as to think it is a spiritual experience..anyways i hear you bruv,,was a good read
Title: Re: ego death 1
Post by: Dutch Pride on September 07, 2013, 01:17 pm
thats wery true...
its kind like being smacked on the head with a psychedelic hammer :)

if i listen to your story then i think ayahuasca would be something for you....it slowly takes over you like a kind teacher and takes you on the same journey as dmt does, but it takes its time and doesnt just throw you into hyperspace...it leads you there...

this isnt a marketing trick by the way..lol :D

check it out:

http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/7cd9a129d9

DP
Title: Re: ego death 1
Post by: londonlondon on September 07, 2013, 01:19 pm
yup, dmt brother

teach me dutch pride! i am expecting to receive some of this beautiful substance some time soon. i have never done it before.
i want to be blown away by more than the experience. i want to grasp everything and anything i can from it.
im not a spiritual person but
is there a certain thought pattern i must pursue? what can i expect? dosage? how safe is it to take a breakthrough dose alone?

ive done 25i a few times maximum 1mg, low doses of ket, shrooms (no visuals tho), weed
i guess im someone who likes to always be in control, i feel like my ego is way too present at all times
Title: Re: ego death 1
Post by: peacefullsoul on September 07, 2013, 01:47 pm
i like that quote you have at the bottom of your page dp about wright wrong..right and wrong are fabrications of the imagination,1 mans right can be anutha mans wrong..it is the perception of the observer that attaches moral signif to the event..i havnt used the words right or wrong in a long time instead now i use like and dislike..i had a good argument with my mum not long ago, her cat bought a bird inside and was toying with it in its last moments ,she said to the cat ure sick in the head and kicked it out the door ,i said no mum if 2 out of ten cats did that then i would agree if 5 ota 10 cats did it i would agree,,but 10 outta 10 cats will do that because that is the nature of a cat..ure cat is not evil it is simply abiding by natural  law and being a cat,  london just be uself and experiment it aint gunna happen overnight and if it did ud probably shatter the pillars that support ure reality and temporary insanity would make u doubt everything rather become subtley aware of who what and where is really goin on
Title: Re: ego death 1
Post by: Dutch Pride on September 07, 2013, 01:56 pm
yup, dmt brother

teach me dutch pride! i am expecting to receive some of this beautiful substance some time soon. i have never done it before.
i want to be blown away by more than the experience. i want to grasp everything and anything i can from it.
im not a spiritual person but
is there a certain thought pattern i must pursue? what can i expect? dosage? how safe is it to take a breakthrough dose alone?

ive done 25i a few times maximum 1mg, low doses of ket, shrooms (no visuals tho), weed
i guess im someone who likes to always be in control, i feel like my ego is way too present at all times

The trick is not expect anything at all...have an open mind...there arent any rules here and like any language, dmt is a language one has to learn to speak and understand...
take it easy the first time...if you want too much at once, dmt will give you such an asskicking that you wont easily try it again..
but i strongly believe that if your a good person by heart there is nothing to fear but fear itself...
have a little trust in the cosmos and there will be a lot to learn out there...
have a good one ;)
Title: Re: ego death 1
Post by: Dutch Pride on September 07, 2013, 02:01 pm
i like that quote you have at the bottom of your page dp about wright wrong..right and wrong are fabrications of the imagination,1 mans right can be anutha mans wrong..it is the perception of the observer that attaches moral signif to the event..i havnt used the words right or wrong in a long time instead now i use like and dislike..i had a good argument with my mum not long ago, her cat bought a bird inside and was toying with it in its last moments ,she said to the cat ure sick in the head and kicked it out the door ,i said no mum if 2 out of ten cats did that then i would agree if 5 ota 10 cats did it i would agree,,but 10 outta 10 cats will do that because that is the nature of a cat..ure cat is not evil it is simply abiding by natural  law and being a cat,  london just be uself and experiment it aint gunna happen overnight and if it did ud probably shatter the pillars that support ure reality and temporary insanity would make u doubt everything rather become subtley aware of who what and where is really goin on

well said my friend :)

this might be something for you ;)

http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/7cd9a129d9
Title: Re: ego death 1
Post by: londonlondon on September 07, 2013, 02:32 pm
awesome answers :), many thanks

my main concern is safety. i dont know anyone were im living who would trip/tripsit with me. is it possible to move around while on a breakthrough dose? i will, of course, start with low doses. has anyone ever witnessed someone 'freak out'? how did they react?
also, what is a good starting dosage? breakthrough?

sorry for the questionnaire :P,
good vibes.
LL
Title: Re: ego death 1
Post by: Dutch Pride on September 07, 2013, 03:13 pm
awesome answers :), many thanks

my main concern is safety. i dont know anyone were im living who would trip/tripsit with me. is it possible to move around while on a breakthrough dose? i will, of course, start with low doses. has anyone ever witnessed someone 'freak out'? how did they react?
also, what is a good starting dosage? breakthrough?

sorry for the questionnaire :P,
good vibes.
LL

if you take moderate doses anywhere from 5mg to say 20mg you'll be fine by yourself....however being alone at breakthrough doses (50mg-70mg) i would strongly advise you not to do this by yourself the first time...

it's not unusual thinking that you are dieing and then the question is how you will react to that physically..

I've seen some pretty freaky shit happen to close friends...nothing life threatening but nevertheless things you do not want happening when your chillin on the couch with your vaporizer :o

you should do more research on the net....there are a shitload of topics about first time users...
beware, it's not always a picknick


DP
Title: Re: ego death 1
Post by: londonlondon on September 07, 2013, 03:26 pm
i have, in fact, read a lot, which is why I have posed this question a few times. thanks for some good feedback.
will wait to do a breakthrough dose when someone can sit for me. gonna have to invoke the good 'ole patience virtue haha :)..
will experiment with below breakthrough experiences in the meantime, preparing as much as one possibly can (which from what i read, one will never be prepared for such awesomeness :) )