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Support => Feature requests => Topic started by: missbliss on July 19, 2013, 06:45 pm
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hi hi
so i've been seeing on the forums lately there's quite a bit of back and forth as to whether lotteries are a good thing, or a bad thing that further breaks the already broken feedback system.
and to that end, i have come up with a solution that i feel would fix things.
SR itself should make a special type of item listing that is JUST for lotteries. so this way, there is no "trust" involved that the vendor will send what they supposed to send based on tx number.
here's how i envision it:
item listing would be "lotto" instead of the current purchasable items we are all used to. when a user purchases this in their cart, it DOES NOT go into the order queue of the vendor. instead, the price of the sale is instantly deducted from the buyer account and given to the vendor. the "lotto" listing will be given a percent of odds to win INITIALLY when the listing is put up - and is NOT able to be edited later by the vendor (much like how the title is unable to be edited). if the vendor wants to change odds, they need to ditch that lotto listing and make another.
SR's internal algorithm itself (so there's no chance of tampering) will run some random numbers and determine based on the odds chosen whether or not that individual ticket purchase is a winner or loser. if it's a winner, then the order gets added to the vendor queue at no cost to the buyer - and regardless of outcome that buyer gets to make feedback to ensure the vendor must ship. only if the ticket is a winner will the buyer be required to enter address details.
also, ONLY the winner may leave feedback. all the loser tickets get nothing. and also do NOT count as transactions under the vendor's stats. the winner transaction does, however, count as a single transaction.
i feel this would squash all the vendors trying to boost transaction count and also the scammer buyers who are trying to "win" more often by holding feedback hostage across 5-10 losing "lotto ticket items" which can seriously tank a vendor rating. while at the same time allowing for the whole idea of a random chance to get more drugs than you can afford.
best of both worlds or bad idea?
xoxo
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Sounds like vendors would have to voluntarily join that system unless SR is expected to catch people who do it the old way and do something to them?
Also, why not just leave as a Btc thing with no need for mailing or addresses. Make the lotto seller put up the maximum prize in advance in escrow in case there is a winner. Item sells out if there is not enough in escrow to play again.
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think the lotteries are stupid if you wanna waste your money or btc do it on satoshi dice or some stupid website not SR
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we're just now getting sort by price lol.
While I agree, at the rate site improvements are coming we'll have this around Christmas time lol.
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hi hi
thanks you guys for the feedback!
@NW Nugz -- yes kind of like an opt in, however it's not for ALL items, perhaps just the items that are in the "lottery" category. any listings put in that category would be of a special "type" that doesnt behave as normal item listing orders behave currently, but instead follow the rules i laid out in the OP.. as far as enforcing it, that's beyond my scope of technical expertise - community monitoring perhaps? an automated check based on how many finalizations happen quickly after purchase? the idea is to give a special category for just this specific thing that benefits both buyers and sellers so there is no incentive to try and sneak a lotto as a normal listing. vendors would have protection from sellers who are trying to scam their way to a "winning ticket" and buyers would have protection knowing their order must be accepted or they can leave a special feedback for it.
@bbbaac -- yea i'm not all that happy with them either (in their current form) however i do believe in an individual's right to do what they wish, and if done properly this could be a nice little addition. if it's BTC only then i agree with you it's kinda dumb, as that service already exists on the site you just mentioned (which as an aside, just got sold for a butt-load of cash the other day) HOWEVER, if it's a sanctioned legit lotto for actual product, then that's a unique thing that doesnt exist anywhere else on ANY black market site.... and judging from some of these vendors profiles who are doing it, there's clearly a demand for it, regardless of what you think of the buyers who purchase it. my suggestion is to try and make it fair for all parties - rising tide lifts all ships!!
@White 0ut -- hahahah that made me chuckle :) i was thinking NEXT fourth of july for the implementation haha - my guess is DPR and the gang arent as geeky as everyone thinks or there would be tons more features rolling out constantly. either that, or they are so bogged down with support requests and security stuff to bother. (how bout buyer feedback history *hint hint* or simply stop people from changing the damn feedback, then i'd happily sell to newbies!!)
keep on keepin' on!
xoxo
-mb
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the idea is to give a special category for just this specific thing that benefits both buyers and sellers so there is no incentive to try and sneak a lotto as a normal listing.
Sadly, the theoretical incentive of many scammer wannabes is to defeat the intent of the feedback system. Some vendors clearly market their services to this niche group (and thereby attempt to be harmful vendors IMO). If most vendors join the opt-in system, the evil/harmful vendors will have less competition and if their scammer support services actually work for that purpose, lots of chances to make money hurting other vendors and buyers.
Edit: I'm not saying I don't like the proposal in the OP. I do. I'm just saying I don't think it, alone, can fix one potentially important evil purpose lotteries might be used for. I think the next step of enforcement would require a rule that all lotto vendors opt-in...