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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: skizzdaghost on May 23, 2012, 01:46 pm
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Hey everybody,
So, I know that everybody says that they wouldn't recommend using a fake name to receive packages and that makes complete sense if you live at a privately owned property, but what if you are sharing an apartment with someone and you're name isn't even on the lease or linked to the residence. For example, I live with two other people (both know about the Silk Road and are totally cool with packages coming here) and when I moved in they just told me to print out a label with my name on it and tape it to the mailbox if I wanted to receive mail here. My name is not on the lease or anything like that and they have had several other roommates come and go, so the names on the mailbox change all the time. In theory, couldn't I simply make up a name, print out a label with that name on it, tape it to the mailbox, and just have my mail sent to that name. I mean, basically that would be the same as printing out my real name and having mail sent using that name. The mailman has no way of knowing when new roommates move in, so it's not like he would know the difference between my real name and a different one. Seems like it would be a good way to protect myself in case Customs ever found a package and wanted to come knocking. I could just be like "That's not me bro" and they would have no proof that I knew about it.
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I would use a fake name in your case, since there is the same chance it not arrive either way.
I still don't understand why using a fake name is a bad thing, I get mail from the previous home owners all the time. When I lived in a townhouse I had all my packages (no drugs, was before I found SR) sent to my grandparents house so I didn't have to go to the office to pick them up and I never had anything not arrive, and we have different last names.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Makes complete sense to me
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Sounds like a good plan given your circumstances.
While using a false name at your own private home may offer small plausible deniability, packages which have names that don't match the home's usual mail are at a slightly higher risk of being checked. It's in an official FBI released document, let me find it... http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=18904.0
While it doesn't pose a significant risk on it's own, I think you'll hear that most people just find it safer and simpler to use your real name.
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You could always use c/o, as in
Joe Blow
c/o
1855 Back St.
Miami FL 90876
or better, if u know a current owner:
Joe Blow
c/o Sandy Backslider
1855 Knuck St
Miami FL 90909
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I still don't understand why using a fake name is a bad thing, I get mail from the previous home owners all the time.
Getting previous owner's mail is not that unusual, but using their name for SR runs the (slight) risk of having the package forwarded to the previous owner's new home if they happen to start getting their mail forwarded. It still could be a safe move, but that's the risk I always think about.
The main reason using a fake name is bad was outlined by hyruleantoker:
packages which have names that don't match the home's usual mail are at a slightly higher risk of being checked.
This is not just a theoretical concept here, there is documented evidence that people have been busted at least in part due to using a fake name. See this thread for an example: dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=21917
skizzdaghost, I think your situation is one rare example of when a fake name actually COULD be safer than using your real one. There's no way to know that person doesn't really live there, and you aren't committing fraud by using a fake ID (like you would have to do with a PO Box). It's might still be *technically* illegal to order mail under a false name (it's illegal to open mail not addressed to you without permission, too), but if no one can prove you're the one who ordered it, you should be fine.
Destroy the packaging and hide the product well immediately upon receipt. Remove the fake name label from the mailbox as soon as you're done using it.
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+1 for good post.
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Thanks for the advuce guys. You're right! I am in a pretty uncommon living situation, so I think I may take advantage of it a little bit while I can.
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In the US, I don't see why we can't just use "Current Resident". By law, the post office is required to deliver mail marked current resident to the address specified. This was verified after several attempts on my part to get them to stop delivering junk mail to my house. As far as I can tell, it has several advantages:
1.) You don't have to give your real name to the vendor (the part about SR I've never liked)
2.) It gives you more plausible deniability
3.) The post office is required to deliver it to your address
4.) It would blend in more with regular junk mail, the bread and butter of the USPS.
If the vendor uses a printed label, and an envelope that looks like business/junk mail, then I feel like "current resident" would be one of the least likely things to get caught. Obviously this would only work for shipments that would easily fit (size and weight considered) in a standard business envelope.
Thoughts?
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In the US, I don't see why we can't just use "Current Resident". By law, the post office is required to deliver mail marked current resident to the address specified. This was verified after several attempts on my part to get them to stop delivering junk mail to my house. As far as I can tell, it has several advantages:
1.) You don't have to give your real name to the vendor (the part about SR I've never liked)
2.) It gives you more plausible deniability
3.) The post office is required to deliver it to your address
4.) It would blend in more with regular junk mail, the bread and butter of the USPS.
If the vendor uses a printed label, and an envelope that looks like business/junk mail, then I feel like "current resident" would be one of the least likely things to get caught. Obviously this would only work for shipments that would easily fit (size and weight considered) in a standard business envelope.
Thoughts?
I like the idea, it would work for small amounts in envelopes if vendors cooperated to send it disguised as junkmail. Other packaging would be suspicious I would think, a box from Computer Parts Inc shipping to C/O and such.
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Now what about if I used parts of my name switched around. For example: A man's real name is John Ryan Smith and this guy uses Smith Ryan as the fake name. Thoughts anyone?
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Just use your name man. You can always deny it. What if someone sent you some illegal shit without you ordering it?
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Do you receive any mail from prior residents/roommates ?? Use that.
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Seems like this is more incriminating than using your real name.
Using your real name and having that written on the door is fine and if any drugs arrive you just say "what.. drugs? What? What drugs?"
Whereas if there's a fake name on your door and a package with that same name gets intercepted, and you say "what?" and then they say "why is there a false name on your door" - and then you're screwed
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Now what about if I used parts of my name switched around. For example: A man's real name is John Ryan Smith and this guy uses Smith Ryan as the fake name. Thoughts anyone?
No, don't do that. Read this thread, it contains (among other things) a description of how a guy got caught in part by using a fake name similar to what you're describing: dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=21917
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Just was questioning this myself, maybe one of you could help..
Shipped it to a friend's place (an apartment) with a fake name (completely fake, no relations at all). The mailboxes there are by apartment # (which was included in the address) but also give a name of the owner with the number. Would it be suspicious for the name of that and that on the parcel not to match?
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Just was questioning this myself, maybe one of you could help..
Shipped it to a friend's place (an apartment) with a fake name (completely fake, no relations at all). The mailboxes there are by apartment # (which was included in the address) but also give a name of the owner with the number. Would it be suspicious for the name of that and that on the parcel not to match?
Technically, yes. I've already posted the link in this thread twice, but I'll go ahead and do it again. Read this thread, it has a LOT of important information: dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=21917
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A slightly misspelled name always gets there. No one misspells their own name. 2+2=4
The more I try to hide, the guiltier I look if I get caught doing it.
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Is this for the USA only?
In other countries I lived the postman doesn't care who lives in a residence/apartment, all he needs to do is make sure an envelope or package is delivered to the address in question. They keep no track of residents, and IMO this makes even more sense in big cities.
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Is this for the USA only?
In other countries I lived the postman doesn't care who lives in a residence/apartment, all he needs to do is make sure an envelope or package is delivered to the address in question. They keep no track of residents, and IMO this makes even more sense in big cities.
False names won't necessarily be noticed by the actual mail deliverer, and aren't used (as far as I know) as the only evidence to intercept a package. However, if the package gets noticed for other reasons during pre-delivery processing, they'll look up the address. If the name doesn't match the recorded resident, they consider it further evidence that the package is worth intercepting.
Read through that thread I posted above three times (here: dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=21917). It has actual legal documentation outlining a controlled delivery executed against someone who did a few things wrong, including using a fake name. LE specifically stated the rationale behind what they considered evidence against the defendant. That thread and the links in it are *very* worthy reading for anyone traveling down this Road.