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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: loppy141 on April 27, 2012, 05:52 am
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I realize that it is early, but in light of not being able to see feedback under tony's name and the dramallama in his thread, I think once ppl start getting their orders in from last weekend they should post here. Anyone gotten anything yet?
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I was going to start a post about people receiving theirs.
So far nothing for me, and I ordered 2 things.
Will update.
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its been like three days... you realistically shouldnt expect anything until early next week.
not to mention he had even more orders than usual and may be behind with shipping.
he took time off to catch up so you may need to realize if you ordered late in the sale your order may still not have actually made it out yet
i am waiting too, everyone just needs to have patience
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its been like three days... you realistically shouldnt expect anything until early next week.
not to mention he had even more orders than usual and may be behind with shipping.
he took time off to catch up so you may need to realize if you ordered late in the sale your order may still not have actually made it out yet
i am waiting too, everyone just needs to have patience
That^^
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patience is a virtue ;)
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This is not a complaint thread, its an information thread. I don't expect anyone to have anything yet, but I expect things to arrive soon and once they do, people should post to calm the nerves of others waiting. Also it'd be nice to see what timeframe people form the 4/20 sale get their packages.
Being said I expect mine by next tues. Will update once it arrives :) (and you should too!)
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i put in an order on 4/18 with tony I will let you know when I get mine, which might give you a better estimation on the ETA of your packages.
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I ordered a gram in the sale - got mine marked as 'in transit' the 21st, finalised and realistically expect it by next Friday (which would make it almost 2 weeks.
I was not waiting on this gram so hopefully will get a nice treat next week or so.
I got no worries myself. I had to finalise on the deal as I am first time buyer off the guy.
We could do with some primo coke sold from the UK. ;)
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Ordered and finalized from tony on the 17th and ordered and finalized again from tony on 4/20. Still waiting for both orders.
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I ordered on the 18th and finalized that same day, haven't received my package yet. I really think this is just an issue with the USPS, as other mail has taken a while to arrive for me too. For example, I ordered a book on Amazon from a seller one state away from me, still took over a week to arrive. I'm not concerned at all about Tony's role here...but it is really frustrating to not get your order in the same timeframe that you're accustomed to. Keep hope alive, guys!
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Placed an order/finalized early on the 17th. I thought it would get here sometime this week, but I forgot 420 might have set him back a bit. Dumbass me planned a festivity of sorts with some friends for today, but it looks like I'll need to re-schedule :-\ . If anyone were the most reliable, it's tony. His profile even stated to not worry or contact him about a possible lost package until it's been at least 14 days. I'm 90% sure we'll all be happy customers before too long.
Also, I wonder what his "new product" will be?
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Ordered and FE on the 19th. I'll update when I get mine.
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Ordered on the 15th. Same day I ordered from another Canadian SR. Got that in 5 days. Still waiting on this. I admit I was concerned at his sudden hiatus.
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Ordered on the 15th. Same day I ordered from another Canadian SR. Got that in 5 days. Still waiting on this. I admit I was concerned at his sudden hiatus.
OPI is pretty fast ;) Someone said they ordered 4/20 and got it 4/25 in europe and that suggests to me that this is purely a US ie. USPS problem. But if that were true then it should affect OPI's shipping too. Hmm...
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i ordered wed two days before the sale went on and it was put in transit and FE'd all within an hr so i assumed it would go out wed pm or thu am. i have gotten packages in as little as 4 days from tony and as long as 9 ave: 6.5. today was day 9 and i am lil getting worried.. especially when i see ppl who orderd 2-3 days before me havent gotten either and yet did receive from another ca vendor?? i appreciate those who made this thread. hopefully he just got behind and that why he took break but i dont know y that would affect me since i thought i beat the rush (i bought even before tony put his listings on sale) and so i understand the break but what i really hate how he put his page in stealth mode, i cant figure that out you can take your listing down without going stealth and still have ur info on ur page for potential future buyers and even if you go stealth why totally delete all info from your page? id think he'd want to keep that so ppl waiting could see msgs such as "dont pm til 14 days" etc. im not saying any of that is an indication of the worst i just thought it was wierd.
when a vendor is in stealth mode we cant see any feedback or stats rly and if ppl start receiving we wont know it same goes if no one receives we wont be able to check his page and find out we have to use this exclusively..again im not saying tony is ripping and running im purely speculation (albeit pessimistic speculation lol) about how to improve sr policy for any scenerio and keep in mind i do jump to the worst a lot about everything so i am NOT trying to spread panic/fear/rumors at all and tony has come thru 4 me a lot but im just worried (another vendor that came thru for me mult times was pj who did get me) ..anyway i appreciate that i have a place to vent it..i know i will prob receive id just like some reassurance i g :) hopefully the post isjust late but that would apply to every1 (least ca-us) not just 1 vendor. sorry if this comes off as inappropriately premature i need to be more patient i kno..
so if literally anyone HAS received in the last couple days (who ordered in the time frame we are talking about 4-15ish to now) plz post cuz i just havent seen that but that doesnt mean its not happening
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I made an order 8 days ago and another 6 days ago. Usually I have gotten stuff in 5 days, but I'll keep waiting. Hoping for product tomorrow and then some more next week.
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This too. will pass. The man has way to much to lose on a quick bait and hook!
If we make it to the promised land!
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Agreed that the stealth thing is a bit weird... We can still see his feedback though so if that drops we will know. Keep faith guys! Maybe our collective optimism will force those packages straight to us! ;D
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Knowing what he holds in the balance, I for one, Believe he will make right.
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Added a poll simply to ease the mind of those waiting once people start getting packages ;D
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I ordered and FE'd on a half sheet on 4/19. Haven't received anything yet.
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All I can say is if hes not back by monday april.30 we all got scammed big time. I really dont think so but if it happens repeat after me...
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I WILL NOT FE FU!!!
I WILL NOT FE FU!!!
I WILL NOT FE FU!!!
I WILL NOT FE FU!!!
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Isn't a bit early to be panicking? It says on his vendor page that he is taking a break, and his shipments have always taken a lot of time as far as I can tell. I'm sure he'll be back soon people, let's just take it easy. Although I will admit that if there is no attempt to communicate by Monday night, I'll start to worry too...
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This too. will pass. The man has way to much to lose on a quick bait and hook!
If we make it to the promised land!
He doesn't have anything to lose. Not bad for three months.
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ordered 2 weeks ago. i don't FE and i've always gotten from Tony. But yeah. my fucking back hurts and i was counting on some of his h for the last week.
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i really hope this works out if it dosent I know its karma slapping my dumb ass.....i borrowed the money for my order from someone I really shouldnt be borrowing money from and I had a feeling something might go wrong because karma...all this talk started literally the very next morning after I finalized my order....and I couldve just ordered from psilocin because he dosent require FE but I wanted my shit fast and blahblahblah no patience on my part now I might be paying for it :'(
EDIT: And psi stuff is the fucking bomb ontop of no FE...kicking myself
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With the poll results, the amount of people in the same situation, and the fact that it's pushing "48 hours" for his return, I'm starting to get concerned. I wish he would make a post in this thread or something to reassure everyone he's got it under control. It's happened before where extraordinary vendors stop being reliable and I hope this isn't the case. I'm currently at 10 shipping days from my FE. Which is alarming due to reports of people receiving their purchase within 5 shipping days to Europe, while my wait time has been double that for being in the US. I really hope I don't have to ask for a full/partial refund as I already have my own customers hounding me for this product. I can't help but think I am on the verge of being disappointed.
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if he is watching he probably feels like God looking down upon all of us.
funny.
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Ordered and finalized from tony on the 17th and ordered and finalized again from tony on 4/20. Still waiting for both orders.
Same here, exactly.
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With the poll results, the amount of people in the same situation, and the fact that it's pushing "48 hours" for his return, I'm starting to get concerned. I wish he would make a post in this thread or something to reassure everyone he's got it under control. It's happened before where extraordinary vendors stop being reliable and I hope this isn't the case. I'm currently at 10 shipping days from my FE. Which is alarming due to reports of people receiving their purchase within 5 shipping days to Europe, while my wait time has been double that for being in the US. I really hope I don't have to ask for a full/partial refund as I already have my own customers hounding me for this product. I can't help but think I am on the verge of being disappointed.
Without Tony you wouldn't be making shit. Be thankful.
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Ordered and finalized from tony on the 17th and ordered and finalized again from tony on 4/20. Still waiting for both orders.
Same here, exactly.
Same goes for me. Tony's packages normally make it to me in about 5 days. Hoping it's an issue with USPS and not Tony gone scammer, but hey it's possible.
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Ordered and finalized from tony on the 17th and ordered and finalized again from tony on 4/20. Still waiting for both orders.
Same here, exactly.
Same goes for me. Tony's packages normally make it to me in about 5 days. Hoping it's an issue with USPS and not Tony gone scammer, but hey it's possible.
Yeah, came real quick--around 4 days--first time, and around 4-5 days second time...so now all these people not getting their goods. They just plain weren't sent. Such a bummer.
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Hi, first post after long lurking time btw.
Of course, one can never exclude the possibility of a scam.
However, there are certainly other possibilities at this time.
4/20 sale was obviously a huge sale. If I were a seller, I would not send all order at once because LEO are certainly aware of what's going on here. Sending multiple packages require multiple mailboxes.
Besides, he could have waited till he had the total amount of products ordered to buy them from his supplier. Perhaps some sort of delay could occur at this level.
Anyway, we can all agree that the timing isn't great. However, doing business here carries some risks.
I just hope he wasn't busted.
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Hi, first post after long lurking time btw.
Of course, one can never exclude the possibility of a scam.
However, there are certainly other possibilities at this time.
4/20 sale was obviously a huge sale. If I were a seller, I would not send all order at once because LEO are certainly aware of what's going on here. Sending multiple packages require multiple mailboxes.
Besides, he could have waited till he had the total amount of products ordered to buy them from his supplier. Perhaps some sort of delay could occur at this level.
Anyway, we can all agree that the timing isn't great. However, doing business here carries some risks.
I just hope he wasn't busted.
my concern is that at least 16 ppl ordered before that sale as far back as 4-15 as far as i can tell and never recieved in fact no one has gotten on and said they got in last week which a constantly working vendor like tony that doesnt make sense and then he put his profile in stealth for no reason (he coulda taken listings down w/ out doing this the only thing this does it make it so we can't calculate how many orders are missing or how many days since hes logged in i hate this feature we need it abolished if he t does turn scammer)
clearly something is going on where either all the packages got caught or more likely not sent..but hopefully he and post office r just behind but ya i g we'll kno soon..
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Everything will be OK :)
Just keep your mind off of it.
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There seems to be 3 dueling threads on Tony right now ... so I am not sure if all these topics are covered in this one but here goes ...
1. If Tony no longer uses tracking anymore I find it hard to fathom why he would waste his $ and time sending out stickers and BS to people. The only value in sending empty envelopes is if he used tracking which would prolong the scam.
2. Court and arrest records are searchable if you know his real name.
3. For people that dont vend ... It is extremely time consuming process to do it right. Tony seems to do about 100 orders a week probably ( and that doesnt count buyers who now trust him and have moved their biz out of BTC and SR to save money ) ... between meeting connects, answering emails, packing, shipping .. its becomes a full time job. A sale like Tony did would only exacerbate this ... so its likely between the 23rd and 26th he did 150 orders up. A break isnt totally out of the question.
Anyways ... GL to you guys with orders out there.
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One user on here ordered the 17th and received to Europe 4/25 so that's one success...
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Would you guys chill the fuck out? Do you understand the scope of how large this sale was for Tony?
The guy has never shuttered shop before because of how many orders he has gotten. This is the first time I've EVER seen him closed and I've been buying from him since he started.
His professionalism, product quality and shipping times have always been amazing.
He MADE a thread telling us that he would be closed for the weekend. Why do we need another one? On top of that he said hes going to be getting even MORE product for us? That thread was started on the 26th.
God damn you guys are impatient.
It will be ok. Have faith for the number 1(literally) vendor on this website.
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I think the reason so many people are freaking out, is because simply of the such large customer base he has.
There's so many more paranoid people.
It'll be alright guys! :)
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^not to mention the weed ::)
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id like to see SR respond to this, even though FE is still at the fault of the buyer, any vendor making EVERYONE FE even if it is for restocking should be banned on sight, its obvious what the intentions are going to be in the future
but... guess it doesnt matter to much for DPR cause he made money off tony to, with the way things are looking it sounds all to familiar with the other vendors who built up trust and just ran off in the end,
I just try to think about how tony was even dropping the number of packages he was, honestly over time its going to get sketchy especially with the weight they carry, Scamming just before leaving is logical,
SR will kill itself with the shear number of scammers that have come and gone on this site,
Tony coming back would be great and I would love to see everyone whose at a loss right now get what they should but this is not looking good. yes why not scam til the end but what if he was this whole time and when he announced a break was when he was done with it?
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Well I ordered from tony the 20th of march was shipped the 21st. To make a long story short I didn't receive. So I notified tony and he asked if id like a refund or reship. Reading thru tonys review page I felt he was trustworthy and believed there had been a problem somewhere along the way in the post. So I asked for a reship, and asked that he please notify me when he reshipped. To avoid any problems if my address had been flagged I used a different name and address. So tony pmed me back and let me know that my reship would go out on the 19th of april. That's where I stand, no pack yet and waiting on delivery on my pack shipped on the 19th. Hope things work out...
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I bet he clocked out with anywhere between 3000.00 to 6000.00 bucks. Scam well done tony.
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I bet he clocked out with anywhere between 3000.00 to 6000.00 bucks. Scam well done tony.
3-6K ? I would times that by 25 or 30.
If he went rogue 2 weeks ago ... and had started selling ounces of M for 900 + the $550 sheets + international buyers + the huge sale ... he likely took in about 250-300 orders in those 21 or so days, no problem.
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I bet he clocked out with anywhere between 3000.00 to 6000.00 bucks. Scam well done tony.
You're joking, right?! Try more than $50,000 USD! That's no exaggeration, either. In fact it may be conservative. Let's do some math:
I know he sold over 40 sheets of acid just in the "whole sheet" listing, because I watched the number available go down (it was sitting in my cart for over a day as I waited for my BTC to come through). If he keeps all that as profit, that's $20,000 alone on whole sheets of acid. This isn't even counting half sheets, much less heroin, coke, and molly.
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I bet he clocked out with anywhere between 3000.00 to 6000.00 bucks. Scam well done tony.
3-6K ? I would times that by 25 or 30.
If he went rogue 2 weeks ago ... and had started selling ounces of M for 900 + the $550 sheets + international buyers + the huge sale ... he likely took in about 250-300 orders in those 21 or so days, no problem.
On the sale alone he probably grossed 100k+
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Everytime I've ordered from him it takes about 2 weeks...
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id like to see SR respond to this, even though FE is still at the fault of the buyer, any vendor making EVERYONE FE even if it is for restocking should be banned on sight, its obvious what the intentions are going to be in the future
but... guess it doesnt matter to much for DPR cause he made money off tony to, with the way things are looking it sounds all to familiar with the other vendors who built up trust and just ran off in the end,
I just try to think about how tony was even dropping the number of packages he was, honestly over time its going to get sketchy especially with the weight they carry, Scamming just before leaving is logical,
SR will kill itself with the shear number of scammers that have come and gone on this site,
Tony coming back would be great and I would love to see everyone whose at a loss right now get what they should but this is not looking good. yes why not scam til the end but what if he was this whole time and when he announced a break was when he was done with it?
I dont like the idea of pushing management to regulate more. We need to all realize as buyers and vendors that sometimes we will lose money and thats just life when you buy drugs. I think the community will right itself if it can just hang in there. You guys speculating about his take in USD, but all he got if he took off was BTC. No fucking way I'd try to cash that many coins.
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Thank god finally someone to put me at ease.....2 weeks sounds normal for mail delivery ive never recieved anything in 5 days like some people claim....EVER. Not from SR not from my grandma. I know I shouldnt be worrying yet but this H forum has a way to raise your hair if you let it....its like a caged monkey with rabies....1000 claims and ideas flying left right up down ...my heads spinning lol im out of work right now so eh its amusing at times:)
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Wow, that is 56 people so far just in the forum alone.!!! Not counting newbs....
I never FE, not even for PV, and it paid off cause PV went mia and I got my coin back
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If Worst case scenario cant the SR Admins put a "freeze" on his acct. And IF he doesnt come back or post doesnt start to arrive in the next week or two,start giving refunds of some sort? *hypothetically* what if he were never to come back,and his acct. has 500 btc just sitting in it? who gets that?
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Ordered on the 18th before the sale, has not arrived but am not too worried, I knew going in that it normally takes 2 weeks, doesn't come by 5/5, then...
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It doesn't really make sense for Tony to just up and scam everyone like that. This guy has worked his ass off for months to become the #1 vendor on the Silk Road. I mean it takes a certain kind of asshole to steal a lot of people's hard earned money after that long, especially when he knows that he's pissing a lot of people, and at least a few of those pissed off people would probably be willing to put in some effort to finding him and taking him down. While we wait to see if Tony is going to return or not, has SR freezed his account? I still don't want to believe that Tony is scamming, but just in case, it would be nice if we didn't let him make off with $50,000.
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hey divine not to shit on your parade or anything but ive lived with and been around drug dealers for a very long time, while if you are a best friend you are taken care of, most drug dealers dont give 2 shits about the person they sell to, if they are being kind it is part of doing business
if someone is selling you addictive drugs in order to profit i do not thnk he cares to much about your future or anything of the sort, thinking that he "worked hard", and wouldnt "put int on the line" for several hundred thousand? hes also only been here for 3 months, some vendors have been here for a year
drug dealers sell drugs for one reason and one reason only, PROFIT, think about it why the fuck else would you do it? because you enjoy the thrill of being chased? hell no, some of them make to much money to ignore it, or some its all they know, whatever the reason building up insane FE feedback and then raping everyone at the end only makes sense, time and time again every vendor who has done FE has done so
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I know, and it's probably my fault for thinking that the Silk Road was supposed to be the professionalism and classiness that was missing from the regular drug dealing IRL. I mean so many vendors here are just generally awesome people, and you can tell that they want to spread their product and that they care about their customers. Tony seemed like he was one of them, and I'm still holding out hope that this is one giant misunderstanding. My life is in serious danger if Tony doesn't pull through or at least gives me my money back. I mean for real, I apparently made a bad decision IRL and it looks like I'm completely fucked this time. I'm terrified right now.
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I am really sorry to hear that and hope the situation plays out for the best, in reality alot of people i know owe someone money, just explain wtf happened and hopefully it wont go out of hand
as for tony, your probably not alone in terms of borrowing cash from a source to get product here, shitty thing is tony is either laughing at all the money he has now, or is going to come back and make it all up,
but history tends to repeat itself here on SR,
i think DPR needs to stop giving this revolution spiel over and over and let us know What hes going to do about this shit in the future, SR has no future if it becomes the norm for vendors to get feedback and FE rape everyone
and also the shear numbers are going to make others think about it, say an SR seller has only made 10k throughout the time being here, getting some FE feedback and then stealing 50k sounds a HELL OF ALOT BETTER than actually shipping and only making 10k
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Damn son, that sounds bad. No matter how bad you think it is, though, it aint. I used to move some stuff around once upon a time and I made some bad business decisions and lost 15k of my dude's money. I just knew he was gonna kill me, but he didn't. He did pistol whip me and tell me he was gonna cut my eyeballs out, but he never did.
These things happen. This is a high risk game, especially if wanna make any kinda foldin' money.
That may not be much comfort, but it should be. You will be okay. It may get uncomfortable, but you'll be okay man. Besides, this thing aint over yet.
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I still am curious to see his site past the log in screen if anyone wants to give me their invite, so I can peak in there.
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I just feel like selling drugs is an illusion, ya you see the money, ya you get to live the "life" but honestly when i was at the prime of selling and at the prime of my on the books business,
my real business has been Far more profitable than any type of drugs i sold, including coke, and at NONE of the fear level, ya the game is sure worth it especially at the chance of getting fucked and going to jail for 20, that could be at the fault of someone else,
best advice that I have ever gotten was to save a little from the game and then move on cause its sure as hell not worth doing forever
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Ha, I wish I could think I'm going to be okay. It's my fault though, I messed with the wrong fucking guy. This guy has killed before. Everyone knows it. He does it over petty bullshit too. Maybe this is just like an urban legend about him or something, but he supposedly walked in on his former #2 smoking some of the product (he mostly deals with meth), and all of a sudden #2 is found dead in an alley with his eyes and tongue cut out. All for one fucking smoke. I'm fucked fucked fucked. I don't know what I was thinking dealing with this guy, it's not worth the money. He doesn't accept explanations, it doesn't work that way.
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i carnt believe how suprised people are he was always going to have to get out soon or do life u carnt be that open doing that much, all vendors are going to bow out and 99% will do it with a scam ,of course he was trust worthy like all top vendors ill FE for nor and c63 still but i know 1 day they will have to leave and i expect them to cash out with a scam
and to who ever said he only got coins and wouldnt dare cash that amount out ,what does that even mean even if he came back he still only had coins and has to cash em but only hes had to pay real cash for product so that means nothing
if he comes back which is very doubtful hes going to have to change city and name or leave soon anyway unless he wants to do life
some of u lot are seriously deluded thinking there your friends and risking doing life so we can all sample great products get real there here to make cash and get out before being busted and its only a matter of time before t got busted doing that amount ,
i reckon if dea wanted to they would have any vendor doing the amount t was in 2 weeks easy
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I just feel like selling drugs is an illusion, ya you see the money, ya you get to live the "life" but honestly when i was at the prime of selling and at the prime of my on the books business,
my real business has been Far more profitable than any type of drugs i sold, including coke, and at NONE of the fear level, ya the game is sure worth it especially at the chance of getting fucked and going to jail for 20, that could be at the fault of someone else,
best advice that I have ever gotten was to save a little from the game and then move on cause its sure as hell not worth doing forever
Oh yeah, it is an illusion. Back when I used to do things like that, I could walk to my bedroom at anytime day or night and put my hands on $40-50k cash. But it wasn't mine. You gotta have that knot when the drugs are gone so you can buy more, else you're done.
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@hatedpartriot
i just feel like this has happened to many times, this is at the fault of the buyer but still at the same time this is a problem, a problem that needs involvement, if nothing happens what is to stop others from doing it? it just seems like its to easy espcially with SR not doing a thing about it,
business is business you say you sold? say you have a kid picking up zips and he takes a front and runs, do you do nothing? almost the same idea, SRs vendors are his workers they are stealing and nothing is happening
obviously scaling bigger to put it into terms i was just trying to give an idea
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holy shit divine i hope he comes thru for u but id start begging family and friends now if u can ,its so bad when u borrow money or they put money in and shit goes wrong
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Family? None to ask. Friends? See this is my problem. I don't have any "friends." I have basically customers and dealers, that's it. Everyone I know is all about themselves. That's why I first came to SR, I was trying to get away from all that. I think that the drug dealing profession should still be classy. I've had people ask me for loans and shit, and I've never had problems giving it to them because I still consider them my friends, but then it turns out no one wants to reciprocate that. It's all about the money now. It used to be that with shit like LSD and that sort of thing, it was about spreading the love, or so I thought. Now everyone is just a group of money-making dicks, and it's basically a corporate bureaucracy now. Except you get killed if you fuck up. Fuck this.
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I hear ya, Prof. I guess I'm just not a fan of making it SR's problem to fix. I don't like the government micromanaging me or anyone else for that matter, and I wouldnt like SR doing it to us either. We are going to have to find a solution for this amongst ourselves. Have you ever been party to a few hundred pounds of grass being bought? Not mexi weed, but good kind bud? It's enough to fucking make your hair fall out. Everybody has guns, all the drugs and all the money can never be at the same place at the same time. It takes all day and it's nerve racking. But it's done that way to distribute the risk. All this dude's product is not vulnerable and all this dude's money is not vulnerable. It's divided up into a million smaller transactions and the details are always changing. Go here and take this, go here and get that. Shit stays spread out and both sides make a random move each time. That way if anything happens, cops bust the shit or somebody decides they are gonna rob somebody, the most they can get is what ever was wrapped up in that one transaction. We have to find a solution like that. Obviously that wont work here, but something along the same lines.
We need to find a way to evenly distribute the risk. I have an idea I think would work, but I need to figure out how to explain it, and it's not what I wrote about in the site additions forum either. I have an idea to address this problem specifically, I just have to find a way to explain it. Because if you haven't noticed, I'm no fuckin wordsmith.
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I wish there was a sympathy vendor who'd cut all his prices so we could recoup what we were supposed to get from tony ::) They'd make a killing and that money would be infused with such good karma ;D Good incentive I think
(Paging opi and his pebbles... exclusive discount for jipped customers?)
Worth a try I guess :)
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with out tony only way prices are going is up.
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@hatedpatriot
I knew that i was going to hear a story like that after i gave an example using only an oz, it was just an example, its great you lived that life at one point but you are on a drug forum, there are quite a few of them out here
id like to see a long term future in SR and after tony scamming this much and all previous vendors stealing this much without anything being done for the future can only leave room for more, im not talking about you here im talking about SR the place where I am currently, in the present, looking towards the future
which is looking like more sellers turning scammers for a nice hefty retirement check
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You fail to see the way risk was distributed. In the current SR model, that is against the rules, btw, we'll call it the FE model, the buyer pretty much carries all the risk. Financially and by having to be the physical receiver of said contraband. We need to figure out a way so that both parties loose when shit hits the fan, not just one of the other.
How about if SR had something in the vendors little toolbox that allowed them to put their cost in. The system could then only "FE" enough to cover the vendors investment, instead of the whole ball of wax, profit and all when the buyers get shit. This system would have to be a math doin mutherfucker. As more people ordered, the cut they would have to put up for "insurance" would get smaller.
That's a place to start talking, see what I mean? The point of the story was to illustrate how one such risk distribution model looks. The story was not about something I miss or would advise anyone do. I never really made any money, I just had a good time for a while and ultimately ended up in the hole. Think grasshopper, think goddammit.
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couple posts up your talking like your from the streets and now you whip out the ol dictionary and start writing some words and tell me to think grasshopper?
your model is still like escrow but half? doesnt sound like it would work especially if the vendor had a toolbox or control over it, its obvious here online more so than in person that you cant trust anyone
FE even for restock should be banned on sight, this will negate any type of future HUGE SCALE scams, it doesnt matter how much feedback one gets, its only a matter of time before they up and leave, there should be a
Escrow Only,
Sellers that arent willing to participate and or cant afford to restock should be weeded out that way SR will only have legitimate, Serious, Deep Pocket vendors,
theres money to be made here on SR especially if you are the person SR is aiming to help which is the small time guys, people already moving keys SR isnt going to be worth it
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Ha, I wish I could think I'm going to be okay. It's my fault though, I messed with the wrong fucking guy. This guy has killed before. Everyone knows it. He does it over petty bullshit too. Maybe this is just like an urban legend about him or something, but he supposedly walked in on his former #2 smoking some of the product (he mostly deals with meth), and all of a sudden #2 is found dead in an alley with his eyes and tongue cut out. All for one fucking smoke. I'm fucked fucked fucked. I don't know what I was thinking dealing with this guy, it's not worth the money. He doesn't accept explanations, it doesn't work that way.
you sir have made a bad decision. you are probably too worried about 265 dollars, though. and you sound like a pussy. This here is a bit like the wild west. You have to be willing to lose what you put in the pot...
Make better decisions
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It just doesn't seem right to me that either party should loose out completely in every event that there is a failure. I do know this, SR will not be able to regulate this away. If SR makes more rules it will just give the scammers a framework to do their evil from. Rules can always be exploited, ask any hacker. If we don't figure out something it wont get fixed, that's the bottom line imo.
It may come down to new vendors playing absolute hell to get on a role because both buyers and vendor will only deal with long term members, but still that isn't much protection.
And how you gone say I aint from da streetz yo
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ok well, as a hacker, not a great one but one that has been involved for the better part of a year
there are certain things that cant be exploited and or isnt worth the time to do it, ill give a simple example,
when cracking wireless networks it is simply better to go after WEP why? because WPA is harder to crack and if you do not have a wordlist with the password in it, You will never be able to crack it, hence why strong passwords are impossible to crack
Encryption cant be exploited if you use AES encryption, any bruteforce any period of time ever wont de-encrypt the data
I am asking for more involvement in what SR is about, which is the use of Escrow and a venue where both vendor and buyer can be happy, tony was an example of someone taking advantage of the current system
he had more drugs than most others, FE for 2-3 months, and now this, when if we do banning on FE this could have been avoided completetly, but DPR profits either way from this so this is a factor
what your asking for I dont get, your asking to keep it the way it is but it isnt working man not at all, vendors will only be lead to steal if its like this
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So did I miss something has everyone come to the conclusion that Tony is not on a much needed and pre-informed haitus. It sounds like veryone is pretty convinced he has split. Yesterday it was the exact opposite, did I miss something. WTF happened can someone who knows what is going on with Tony or at least thinks they know explain to me what had happened between yesterday and today in the belief that Tony has now run off with everyones money.
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I don't think it should stay the same, it's definitely broken. I am just really against forcing people to act right with rules. Because what ends up happening is the ones who wanna scam find a way, and the victim's hands are tied. What we have here, now, is an example of the buyers doing it their way, against the rules, and it failed. I think we should retain the option to break the rules without incurring a ban, since it is after all our money/product and the pirate man gets paid anyway.
Just look at what rules and regulations have done to our rights in this country. Hell, I might go break in your house tomorrow because if you dare defend yourself or your property I'll sue you and it'll be my house. You can't legislate people into being worth a fuck. There has to be a way we can handle each other and understand that the risk is being carried equally. I hate to even suggest after railing against regulation of any kind, but maybe vendors should be capped at a point that they have shown to be sustainable using their model. That is a fundamental tenant of business anyway. You don't grow as fast as you can, that's the quickest way to lose it. You make small deliberate steps. If I were going to be in favor of any SR regulation, that would be it. Preventing run away vendors that grow to fast and cannot keep all the balls in the air. It seems like that's what's happening a lot. And when that big unstable house of cards falls it's all that FEed money that is lost. But, if nobody FE'ed, that could put some vendors in a tight spot if they sell all their candy and cant buy more because it's in escrow. That's were FEing only 50% would be good, just enough to cover material, the vendor gets profit after confirmed delivery.
Still not perfect, or even close, but what we got now is spreading butthurt all over.
ksquizzle; I don't think this discussion is about Tony anymore, but how we can prevent this in the future.
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no one takes into account scam buyers. everyone knows they are pretending to not get packages and blackmailing vendors threatening to leave bs feedback and slam them on the forums unless they get freedope/refunds. I'm pretty sure they drove off wumg and maybe tony too. i certainly dont think tony was doing some long con here. we know the scam buyers were driving him crazy he posted about is as did wumg.
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On some other forums there has been quite a few vendors who saw what went down with EK, TFM and a few other large vendors this month and decided the game wasn't for them. You had guys that are facing 15-25 years in prison for being vendors.
If Tony did leave ... this is likely the reason. Long term cashing out that much BTC and mailing that many packages is not feasible.
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thats why I feel escrow was both good and bad, it puts vendors ie drug dealers in a position where some of the power is lost, which I dont want to say all drug dealers are, but most want to be in that power position since hey i got the drugs you only have the money
prior to escrow it was really all trust, with shit like pecunix it was hey I trust you im gonna send the cash and then a good vendor would follow through and the relationship that builds after is great,
ill agree that scam buyers are shitty to and can change a good vendor to think since they just got taken advantage of and one thing I hated when I was selling was that, even to this day regardless I hate it
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So did I miss something has everyone come to the conclusion that Tony is not on a much needed and pre-informed haitus. It sounds like veryone is pretty convinced he has split. Yesterday it was the exact opposite, did I miss something. WTF happened can someone who knows what is going on with Tony or at least thinks they know explain to me what had happened between yesterday and today in the belief that Tony has now run off with everyones money.
Take a look at the poll, almost 70 people havent received orders in the last few weeks, 2 people have. Also, where is tony? It's been too long for no update I think. This coupled with him being in stealth mode and the paranoia that is Silk Road has people feeling scammed. And I'm starting to too... If nothing comes this week I'm pretty much sure of it.
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the worst id say is the waiting game
I remember when i was scammed by a vendor here I was all over the place cleaning and thinking the worst, both money and peace of mind is being taken during this,
where the fuck is tony/?!?!
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Yeah, Fry brings up a good point and I have certainly not forgot about scam buyers, It's my belief they started the scamfest since they forced the vendors into a position to basically beg for FE in order to believe they would be paid.
The same thing that lets us do this whole market thing is the same thing that hinders us here. Since TOR is so anonymous, it makes it impossible to "brand" people. You can't ban based on ip or any of that. If we could, then you could set a limit on a buyer and say if you have two no deliveries, then your address is considered burnt, and you will FE always and have no recourse or not do business here. But they would of course just start a new buyer account if they were just workin it for free drugs.
Hackers, is there a way to recognize a mac address or anything like that in TOR? Some way to prevent someone from just popping right back up with a new account? Another way to admit buyers where they could not just re-register like that is to make registrations seasonal, a population control if you will. I haven't been around long, but I have been told by a few people that many of these problems at the frequency they occur now, are recent and coincide with the last influx of mutherfuckers from up top.
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I am not sure, so do not quote me, but didnt he say he was going to be gone all weekend, Im not sure but I think I remeber seeing that somewhere.
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So i too made a purchase with tony, it had to have been one of the last ones too because it was on 4/23. I have been giving the whole situation a lot of thought. Not trying to jinx him or anything but first of all he was the top seller on SR, he was also about to unload the mother load of drugs to us for the 420 sale, and this business is one of GREAT risks.
Now i haven't read anything but lets not forget about the possibility of LEO. I am not saying this is what happened but i guess its easier for me to think maybe the guy got busted instead of making out like a bandit with our money (glass half full kind of guy). If tony did go down he would be a HUGE hit against the SR. So is it not outside the realm of possibility that they would target the NUMBER 1 guy?
All we can do now is wait and see what happens, i for one know now that even if all the top Vendors require FE, I would rather work within escrow, than take a chance of being let down.
On a side note, if he did scam us, you gotta admit it was the best long con we have probably ever been a part of. He gained all our trust and right when it was the BIGGEST drug users day of the year he throws a huge sale and deuces with all our money. Touche good sir, touche.
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Yeah, I been avoiding saying it, and I still don't want to, but that is a real possibility.
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Im in the same boat at the moment and feel for everyone. That was a $300 mistake.
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Man, this was my first experience with SR, and I must say, I'm very let down. So will all my room mates when I tell them I lost all their money. Oh well, live and learn. I know that there are plenty of vendors out there who will do right, but I doubt I'll place my trust anytime soon. After all, if someone with stats like Tony didn't come through, how could I ever trust anyone else again? I really hope he comes back... I know we all do. But if my package isn't here this week, I think I'll have to go pawn my computer to get right with all I owe money to, so I guess SR won't be an option anyways. Goodbye cruel internet-world! :'(
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Nobody forced you to finalize early. It said clearly on his page that if you were uncomfortable losing the money you finalized with, then kindly order somewhere else.
Why would tony put on his page he is going on vacation if he was captured by LEO? If he was scamming, why would he take down his listings before the 14 business day window everyone is supposed to wait before complaining?
I have serious doubts Tony is scamming everyone. Just looking at these poll numbers (which don't include people who don't go to the forums, and people who received their orders and aren't in the forums freaking out), it appears Tony had a shit ton of orders. I honestly believe he is just catching up and will get everyone's shit out.
Bignothing, calm the hell down man. If you didn't have the money to lose, you shouldn't be spending it on drugs. Relax and let things sort themselves out. You chose to order during the busiest time possible and with the busiest vendor on the Road.
It hasn't even been 7 business days it seems and people are shitting their pants.
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I'm still holding out hope that Tony will show up tomorrow laughing his ass off, and making some post like, "Wow, I guess you guys really missed me!" Then we'll all nervously laugh and thank whatever God there may be that we overreacted. At the very least this whole thing has made me take a very serious look at the bullshit I'm going through in my life right now, and no matter what happens it's time to make a change. That's not to say that I'm done buying from SR, not even remotely, but it's time to get away from this group of people and make some real friends who don't have the "every man for himself" mindset.
I mean if he doesn't show up at all tomorrow, that's probably the nail in the coffin. I can accept him being gone for the whole weekend without completely losing hope, but moving on into tomorrow, I think that's the last chance we have of getting what we ordered. This really sucks though. If you can't even trust the #1 vendor on the site, it's hard to keep faith in everyone else that you buy from regularly. But even if this is a scam, I'm not letting one guy ruin my perception of the site. It's still a paradise, just one that we need to be more careful about. After this, I doubt that anyone is going to accept finalizing early, especially around big sales like that when scamming is so easy.
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its not really a long con ,he had too get out soon or hed be taken out u carnt launder that many coins and post that much for very long and with all the other busts he prob thought 1 month ago it wasnt worth it and started thinking about getting out or changing name and thats when he changed to FE and 4/20 give him the perfect time to leave ,if opi comes back from his coming break with unlimited stock this time that would be interesting
all vendors will leave at some point and u should expect them all to cash out why wouldnt they coz there friendly come on ,u just have to hope its not going to be the week when u order as most want FE its like them bit coin tumbler things they can go any time and if u were washing loads of coins all u can do is hope it wont be the week there going to dissapear ,dpr could get mad paranoid and fuck it off any time
if it was just 4/20 orders then it wouldnt be bad but 3 weeks with non is why people have decided hes gone
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well to get thread back on topic my last order wtih him was sent to me the 13th and i did receive it. so if he went rogue it was after that i guess. that was only a week before the sale so i just dont see him being a scammer. remember he said he was taking days off to catch up on "the sale orders" so he just said hes backup up from the sale right there. hopefully tomorrow orders will start trickling in. hopefully mine atleast lol fuck you guys lol j/k
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if he did just run out of stuff coz an exchange was fucking about which a few of said big payments not being sorted and he was coming back i reckon all the threads and outing his site might convince him to scam everyone if he hasnt been able to send yet
if iv was ordered on 13th it seems wierd he would send that when he could of got away with not sending shit from a few days before that and left his listings up so theres some hope for u guys ,
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So did I miss something has everyone come to the conclusion that Tony is not on a much needed and pre-informed haitus. It sounds like veryone is pretty convinced he has split. Yesterday it was the exact opposite, did I miss something. WTF happened can someone who knows what is going on with Tony or at least thinks they know explain to me what had happened between yesterday and today in the belief that Tony has now run off with everyones money.
I'll be shocked if he returns. Only way he can sustain that many drug sales is to hire a F/T packing crew in multiple cities to drop hundreds of packets per day in street letter boxes. With each person you tell or employ that leaves you open to being scammed or informed on by LE. Way too dangerous to attempt this right now with Op Web Try 2 going on, Op Adam Bomb and Op Open Market.
How do you cash 20,000 or so bitcoins per week to keep up with this level of exporting? You don't. If you do you are going to get caught real fast. Even if you used every single cash in mail exchanger in the world it would take 2 weeks to get all your money and would be running high risk of said bitcoin cashiers ripping you off or money being lost in the mail.
If you set up a fake corporation and linked it to Gox you still couldn't cash this much. You would have to be in the bank in person withdrawing stacks of cash every week (red flag) to buy your product because suppliers don't take plastic, or walking into casino's and withdrawing $10k+ on camera every few days. Not like Canada is Romania and you can safely cash $50k a week in wires without anybody noticing, doesn't matter how many fake IDs you have.
Like I said I'll be shocked if he comes back when he can just scam all those untraceable bitcoins and start again with a new account.
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SuperDerp iesti din romania frate?
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sad to say it but the more I think about it now the more it seems clear that tony isnt going to come back think about the facts
1-2 weeks prior packages still havent showed about 70 people who voted in the polls this excludes those who havent yet,
Since international and it takes time for packages to arrive he has time to keep saying USPS delays, Prior to his final week he announces the biggest sale ever listing up OZ of everything and Sheets and Sheets
being tony and coming through with FE for 2 months prior no one questioned it, At this point I think it is just being optimistic to say hes coming back,
and for making a new account and doing it again? Maybe, but like everyone knows cashing bitcoin in big numbers is risky so why not just sit on the huge stock pile and pull as need, who knows price can go up and he would have even more than what he stole
I hate to say it, but it seems like everyone got screwed, just crazy the shear number of people who did
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1 person wrote they recevd after 4/19. who was that?
i just want to add my two cents. although i dont know for sure im willing to guess that most of the ppl here ordering from tony are american. canada to usa takes minimum 6 days max 10 or12 (cant remember exact). now u need to realize in canada april is the month that everyone does their taxes on. the postal system is jammed! literaly.. jammed. now if my package doesnt arrive on monday april 30th that is supossidly the 5th day but i am domestic to him which should be only 4 days max. thats assuming tony packed my order and and sent it the next day. i ordered on april22nd in the evening & he did say he was ready to ship but I just needed to FE which is why im assuming it should have went out on monday april23. so what im trying to say is the 4/20 orders for americans reallly shouldnt even be there yet. only domestic orders should be and thats if they actually hit the mail monday and not tuesday or later.
i still think its too early to speculate, although the situation is looking bad. i just want tony to hop on here and either tell us he's fucked us or tell the haters to fuck off and that he's back n badder then ever. i dont think its crazy to think he couldnt continue to grow. the 4/20 sale was a giant influx that all vendors had. his normal sales were steady. u dont know that he isnt getting his dope cheap as hell. or that the stuff isnt being processed by family members in afganistan and that he can pay them by wiring them bitcoins so he only needs to cash out for profit on his own. i know this sounds crazy but u never know the variables involved here. lets give it a few more days and id love to hear who is waiting from canada vs usa vs intl if ppl are willing to post that.
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I'm assuming that the person who said they received it after 4/19 is just trolling the poll. We can't give it a few more days. Honestly, if Tony isn't back tomorrow to at least say that he's still around and we were stupid for overreacting like this, then it's basically a lost cause. He's already past his 48 hour deadline. It makes sense to give him the weekend just in case, but giving him all of tomorrow is too much. I assume that if nothing happens tomorrow, the biggest scam in SR history is official.
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eeeee is tony in disguise
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1 person wrote they recevd after 4/19. who was that?
mybodymychoice.
I did, in the other tony thread.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=9108.msg214769#msg214769
I received on 4/20, but i thought the product was rather lackluster.
i did not finalize early.
If you got it on 4/20 you placed it before that, the poll option was for when the order was placed. I got my LSD from him on 4/23, and it was fine (no stickers), but that was placed well before the sale started.
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correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a week a little soon to be crying wolf? Everytime I've ordered from Tony or any other international vendor it always takes closer to 2, sometimes 3 weeks to get to here. It's only been 10 days, only 7 of which were mail days, and he probably didn't send orders out until monday(Apr, 23) or tuesday(Apr, 24). So that leaves us at 4-5 mail days...
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^Understandable but whats keeping him from just poppin in here with a quick update? He said he was taking a 48hr break 5 days ago, what up with that. It's not like tony to do this shit, unless he has in fact turned scammer.
NICE to see some people received! I'd like if they elaborated a bit :)
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Package was marked shipped last Friday, but I'll assume it didn't really go anywhere until Monday. Nothing as of Monday delivery :(
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Before ordering--this time--I asked Tony about requiring every body to finalize early: I've been here a long time and have perfect rep. He said no problem, that he sent that 'note' out to everybody, and I didn't need to FE. He was polite, and decent, so as I did finalize anyway.
My order was shipped on 4/17, before the contest. Second order was put in on 4/17, shipped on 4/22. Regardless of whether or not Tony needed to 'catch up,' on contest orders, we come before those and he'd already shipped. I had two orders in, neither have gotten here.
We're not 'too soon' ... and as I've said before: that's what these forums are for. I'm not calling Tony anything. I"m just letting people know my orders havn't arrived yet, so they can make informed decisions themselves. I'm sure they'll be here tomorrow. Or the next day. Or the day after that. Too many people have told me how honest he is, for me not to believe them.
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has anyone speculated if he got busted?
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has anyone speculated if he got busted?
Yes, several people. But that wouldn't explain the orders that were said to have shipped while he was still communicating with us, before the contest. My order was two weeks ago, and he personally communicated with me, saying I didn't need to finalize early if I didn't want to. I did anyway, tho, and my orders--when he said shipped on 4/17 and 4/22 have not arrived. If he got arrested or some terrible thing happened, the earlier orders still should be here. Maybe tomorrow, as hope springs eternal.
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With the poll results, the amount of people in the same situation, and the fact that it's pushing "48 hours" for his return, I'm starting to get concerned. I wish he would make a post in this thread or something to reassure everyone he's got it under control. It's happened before where extraordinary vendors stop being reliable and I hope this isn't the case. I'm currently at 10 shipping days from my FE. Which is alarming due to reports of people receiving their purchase within 5 shipping days to Europe, while my wait time has been double that for being in the US. I really hope I don't have to ask for a full/partial refund as I already have my own customers hounding me for this product. I can't help but think I am on the verge of being disappointed.
Without Tony you wouldn't be making shit. Be thankful.
Your argument is invalid because it doesn't make sense. I'm trying to go though tony and so far I've not heard nor "made" shit. I was a complete optimistic and a good customer prior to this hiatus. If I were only three or four days from my FE, I'd be patient. But the fact that he's not back from his "24-48hs", hasn't replied to any thread, and my order is coming up on 14 days without arrival is worrisome. I respect tony tremendously, more than any one on SR. But I don't have to be thankful for him dropping the ball, bailing out, or whatever it is he's up to. I still think he'll make his orders right as I trust in his business. It would just be nice to hear something back about his current circumstances.
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Anyone tried e-mailing him?
Maybe he's just staying off SR