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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: Kristy56 on August 04, 2013, 03:14 pm

Title: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 04, 2013, 03:14 pm
Hi, i am also new here. As i understood from SR Forum, some vendors wish get good FE for refund, or they don't make refund without getting good FE. Is it so?  ;)
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Creemo596 on August 04, 2013, 07:52 pm
I wouldn't FE if I were you.
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Newguy321 on August 04, 2013, 08:13 pm

FE'ing is very dangerous! There are plenty of vendors on SR. Find one who will work with you.
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Bozz on August 04, 2013, 08:18 pm
Is it possible that you are mistaking the term "FE" for Feedback, instead of what it stands for, which is "Finalize Early"? You can leave good feedback, but can't leave good "FE". You can however, leave good feedback when you Finalize Early, or whenever you finalize, for that matter.

If you do Finalize Early, you may not be eligible for any refund if you wanted SR to intervene if there i a problem that you cannot resolve with the vendor.

Most vendors will likely be willing to work to resolve a legitimate problem. They want their stats and feedback to be good. If you leave negative feedback then there is less of a chance that they will want to help you, since you have already damaged their reputation (justified or not).

If you have "FE'd" - finalized early - already, then you do not have a chance to alter your feedback and rating that you have given to the vendor, good or bad. So when you FE, you really have no choice but to hope the vendor will work to resolve the issue. You have already used up any leverage that you might have had by not finalizing until you actually received the product and were happy with it. Or however it turned out. So be careful. Some vendors want new buyers to FE because there are other vendors that pose as new buyers, place an order with the competition, and then give terrible feedback to undermine their competition. So everybody has to be careful.
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Bozz on August 04, 2013, 08:23 pm
If you do decide to FE, first check the other buyers feedback and ratings to make sure it seems legitimate. Then, i you want to proceed, start very small at first. Don't risk a lot of money when you have no way to get it back if things don't work out. After a transaction goes well for both buyer and vendor, hopefully you will not be asked to FE for future orders. Then it is safer to go ahead with larger orders.
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 04, 2013, 09:11 pm
If you do decide to FE, first check the other buyers feedback and ratings to make sure it seems legitimate. Then, i you want to proceed, start very small at first. Don't risk a lot of money when you have no way to get it back if things don't work out. After a transaction goes well for both buyer and vendor, hopefully you will not be asked to FE for future orders. Then it is safer to go ahead with larger orders.

Bozz, i spoke about feedbacks, sorry. But what is interesting for me, that i have seen a lot of "not arrived orders" in the stats, and most feedbacks were 5/5. Of course, all comments sound like "never arreived", but feedback are very good. Where is logic?
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Creemo596 on August 04, 2013, 09:18 pm
I'm pretty sure it's just because vendors don't want anythin' lower than a 5/5. So people put 5/5 but give the honest feedback. Sometimes they'll blacklist people for givin' under 5/5 if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 04, 2013, 09:22 pm
I'm pretty sure it's just because vendors don't want anythin' lower than a 5/5. So people put 5/5 but give the honest feedback. Sometimes they'll blacklist people for givin' under 5/5 if I'm not mistaken.

And this blacklist does not allow to buy some items more?
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Creemo596 on August 04, 2013, 09:34 pm
Not from the seller. And I think you're put on a blacklist thread in vendor forums or somethin'. But someone with more buy experience might wanna chime in here.
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 04, 2013, 09:37 pm

FE'ing is very dangerous! There are plenty of vendors on SR. Find one who will work with you.

Yes, you are right :)
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 04, 2013, 09:53 pm
If you do decide to FE, first check the other buyers feedback and ratings to make sure it seems legitimate. Then, i you want to proceed, start very small at first. Don't risk a lot of money when you have no way to get it back if things don't work out. After a transaction goes well for both buyer and vendor, hopefully you will not be asked to FE for future orders. Then it is safer to go ahead with larger orders.

Truth!!! :) I have made great order at first time, the seller has perfect stats, the best listing on SR, but the order is "not arrived". And tomorrow is time to resolve.
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 04, 2013, 09:59 pm
Not from the seller. And I think you're put on a blacklist thread in vendor forums or somethin'. But someone with more buy experience might wanna chime in here.

What does it mean "might wanna chime in here"?
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Bozz on August 04, 2013, 10:02 pm
There seem to be quite a few vendors who will refuse to sell to you again unless you give a 5/5. So regardless of what happened, the buyer is probably giving a 5/5 just so that they don't get blacklisted so they can order from that vendor again.
I think someone already mentioned this all, but I agree with them when they say that even though the buyer does give a 5/5 to avoid being blacklisted, they still want to leave comments that don't really reflect this perfect score. They still want to be able to say what happened, and that they are not totally happy. But the fact that they give a 5/5 so that they can place future orders with the vendor tells you that they must not totally blame that vendor either..
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Bozz on August 04, 2013, 10:05 pm
What does "wanna chime in here" mean?

to "chime in" is to add their opinion. So a more experienced person can make a post to clarify things.
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 04, 2013, 10:11 pm
There seem to be quite a few vendors who will refuse to sell to you again unless you give a 5/5. So regardless of what happened, the buyer is probably giving a 5/5 just so that they don't get blacklisted so they can order from that vendor again.
I think someone already mentioned this all, but I agree with them when they say that even though the buyer does give a 5/5 to avoid being blacklisted, they still want to leave comments that don't really reflect this perfect score. They still want to be able to say what happened, and that they are not totally happy. But the fact that they give a 5/5 so that they can place future orders with the vendor tells you that they must not totally blame that vendor either..

Is that the buyers, who buy again from the same seller, if previous orders are "not arrived"???
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Bozz on August 04, 2013, 10:16 pm
Yes, the buyers might want to buy from that vendor again. If is eventually shows up, they want to have the option of being able to buy from that same person. If it does not, they probably won't.

I would think that if you have not received the order, and the time has run out and you either have to "resolve" it or just let it lapse, you should click the "resolve" option. This process will take a little time and hopefully your item will show up in the mail very soon and that will solve the problem. If not, then you report your experience and follow the process. If you just let it lapse, you may not have any recourse if it never shows up.

that being said, this has not happened to me so it would be helpful for someone who has been through this process to share their experience.
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 04, 2013, 10:18 pm
What does "wanna chime in here" mean?

to "chime in" is to add their opinion. So a more experienced person can make a post to clarify things.

Thanks for the explanation! :)
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 04, 2013, 10:34 pm
Yes, the buyers might want to buy from that vendor again. If is eventually shows up, they want to have the option of being able to buy from that same person. If it does not, they probably won't.

I would think that if you have not received the order, and the time has run out and you either have to "resolve" it or just let it lapse, you should click the "resolve" option. This process will take a little time and hopefully your item will show up in the mail very soon and that will solve the problem. If not, then you report your experience and follow the process. If you just let it lapse, you may not have any recourse if it never shows up.

that being said, this has not happened to me so it would be helpful for someone who has been through this process to share their experience.
Truth again :) I will report my experience in any case, thank you Bozz!!! :)
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 04, 2013, 10:40 pm
What does "wanna chime in here" mean?

to "chime in" is to add their opinion. So a more experienced person can make a post to clarify things.

Thanks for the explanation! :)

Sorry, but what about the persons, which have not experience? They can not make a post?
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Bozz on August 05, 2013, 12:07 am
Sure anyone can post, but it would be helpful for someone with experience with this problem to tell us about it
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Psyche on August 05, 2013, 12:22 am
Some vendors(SOME not all or even most) will threaten and extort buyers who list less than 5/5 feedback. It was a HUGE problem months ago, you don't hear about it much anymore.
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 05, 2013, 08:54 am
Some vendors(SOME not all or even most) will threaten and extort buyers who list less than 5/5 feedback. It was a HUGE problem months ago, you don't hear about it much anymore.

You said "it was a HUGE problem".... Is the problem "decided" now?
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 05, 2013, 09:15 am
Sure anyone can post, but it would be helpful for someone with experience with this problem to tell us about it

Bozz, is here blacklist of sellers, wich make some problems by buying from them, or we have only one indicator,wich called "feedback"?
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: dimbulb on August 05, 2013, 11:19 am
Sound good
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 05, 2013, 11:45 am
Sound good

Yes!!! And it's just a sound, i suppose :)
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Bozz on August 05, 2013, 09:35 pm
I don't know if there is a language barrier or something here. But there is no official list of sellers that do this. You have to look at the feedback and decide for yourself. Also, ask people here on this forum about a particular seller if you want to know what other people think. Or search the forums for any posts about that seller.

I think that's all I can really contribute to this topic...
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: ethnophile on August 05, 2013, 09:52 pm
Never FE
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 06, 2013, 07:23 am
Thanks guys, each your advice is really helpful for me. I think very soon i will divide my experience about first purchase on SR.
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Alutnarat on August 06, 2013, 08:25 am
@Bozz
    Just wanted give you props for your patience on this thread. If I could give you karma I would, so you'll just have to settle for a tip of the hat
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Creemo596 on August 06, 2013, 10:53 am
Tip that hat like a boss.
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 06, 2013, 01:57 pm
Tip that hat like a boss.

Sorry, you are laughing?
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 06, 2013, 07:06 pm
Tip that hat like a boss.

Wich boss your mean?
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: RunningRiot on August 06, 2013, 07:26 pm
The moment you finalize early the vendor has no requirement to refund you if something goes wrong, so if you do it at least make sure they are highly trustworthy. And even then, there have been cases when trustworthy vendors have pulled huge FE scams before they retire.

If you were referring to feedback, I recommend you always attempt to contact the seller first if you plan to leave anything lower than a 5/5. Most vendors take pride in their feedback and will try and help you out the best they can if an issue arises.
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 06, 2013, 08:03 pm
The moment you finalize early the vendor has no requirement to refund you if something goes wrong, so if you do it at least make sure they are highly trustworthy. And even then, there have been cases when trustworthy vendors have pulled huge FE scams before they retire.

If you were referring to feedback, I recommend you always attempt to contact the seller first if you plan to leave anything lower than a 5/5. Most vendors take pride in their feedback and will try and help you out the best they can if an issue arises.

Thanks, it's really important information in the process.
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: mcguire39 on August 06, 2013, 08:10 pm
It's possible the vendor made that offer in the resolution center, i.e. 100% refund if 5/5 feedback is left.
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 06, 2013, 08:26 pm
It's possible the vendor made that offer in the resolution center, i.e. 100% refund if 5/5 feedback is left.

I understand the Vendor.  :)
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 07, 2013, 01:16 pm
I see, you all write me all step by step, but such topics comes more and more, day for day, where is the end?
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Bozz on August 11, 2013, 02:55 am
Thanks Alutnarat, I appreciate the tip of a hat from you. I try to be patient - it wasn't long ago that I was just new and trying to figure out what was what, and relied on the help of some patient and helpful people...

Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Bozz on August 11, 2013, 03:07 am
Tip that hat like a boss.

Sorry, you are laughing?


Creemo596 was just making a joke about "Bozz" sounding similar to "boss". Nothing to worry about...

Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: zachleez on August 11, 2013, 03:33 am
i would be worried
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: R90 on August 11, 2013, 03:34 am
I see, you all write me all step by step, but such topics comes more and more, day for day, where is the end?

Hi Kristy,

Have you done your purchase now? It was good?

Learning to use SR is difficult, there is a lot to learn! When you have a question, search the forum. If you can not find the answer, post the question. There are many people happy to help.

Is english your first language? You can PM me if you prefer to answer that in private.

As the other posters have said, find a good honest vendor who will not require you to FE / complete the payment. Search the forums to learn who is reliable, with good products. When you receive your goods, make sure you finalize / send the payment immediately. This is fair to the seller.

Remember FE means the vendor has your money immediately. If he does not send your product, there is nothing you can do. Silk Road can not help you. The escrow system is your only protection - when you don't FE, Silk Road holds your funds until you receive the product and finalize the payment - the vendor then receives his payment. Everyone is happy.

good luck

R
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 11, 2013, 09:27 am
Thanks guys! My item is "not arrived" yet. English is not my first language, sorry.
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 11, 2013, 12:52 pm
Thanks Alutnarat, I appreciate the tip of a hat from you. I try to be patient - it wasn't long ago that I was just new and trying to figure out what was what, and relied on the help of some patient and helpful people...

Bozz, your tips and patient kost more, then 1 karma. I will give you 2 karma, if I can. Who is it "Alutnarat"?
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Micromanage on August 12, 2013, 11:01 pm
BE very careful to FE thats how the newbies get scammed most of the times.
good luck to ya
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 14, 2013, 08:22 am
BE very careful to FE thats how the newbies get scammed most of the times.
good luck to ya

Thanks, now i understand, that's FE is fool. I have received small items, but i have not yet the first, big order. The seller said, that I'll get refund( may be), so.



 
Title: Re: Good FE for refund....or
Post by: Kristy56 on August 14, 2013, 08:29 am
Also the quality of hash is not good, may be i don't understand it, but what i tested before, was much better. I think, that hash must be "stronger" as weed, but it's not so. May be it's connected with the seller........... :)