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Title: Synthetic Drugs Ban Being Passed - What do these new analog clauses mean?
Post by: foxymeow on June 01, 2012, 11:57 pm
Hello,

Looks like they were finally able to get the drugs act though by tacking it on as an amendment to some FDA Regulatory Bill. This time it will actually go through. However, I notice that instead of straight up listing out all of the cathinones it now has the following clauses:

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    ``(i) 2-(3-hydroxycyclohexyl)phenol with substitution at the 5-position of the phenolic ring by alkyl or alkenyl, whether or not substituted on the cyclohexyl ring to any extent.

    ``(ii) 3-(1-naphthoyl)indole or 3-(1-naphthylmethane)indole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the indole ring, whether or not further substituted on the indole ring to any extent, whether or not substituted on the naphthoyl or naphthyl ring to any extent.

    ``(iii) 3-(1-naphthoyl)pyrrole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the pyrrole ring, whether or not further substituted in the pyrrole ring to any extent, whether or not substituted on the naphthoyl ring to any extent.

    ``(iv) 1-(1-naphthylmethylene)indene by substitution of the 3-position of the indene ring, whether or not further substituted in the indene ring to any extent, whether or not substituted on the naphthyl ring to any extent.

    ``(v) 3-phenylacetylindole or 3-benzoylindole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the indole ring, whether or not further substituted in the indole ring to any extent, whether or not substituted on the phenyl ring to any extent.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r112:1:./temp/~r112gnOblB:e276640:


What exactly do these mean and what chemicals are banned by these clauses?
Title: Re: Synthetic Drugs Ban Being Passed - What do these new analog clauses mean?
Post by: zubic09 on June 02, 2012, 12:05 am
It looks to me like they are covering for analogs yet to be popularized. Not entirely sure it's a little over my head but I'll ask my chemist friend if he stops by tonight
Title: Re: Synthetic Drugs Ban Being Passed - What do these new analog clauses mean?
Post by: modest mouse on June 02, 2012, 04:14 am
what you cut out was the listing of the synthetic cannabinoids, as it states in the line above what you quoted in the bill... below that is where they list all the ketones and psychedelics, which you didnt mention, but is actually the part of the bill you should be concerned with. if it passes, things like the phenethylamines will be specifically outlawed unfortunately as schedule 1.

your link doesnt work, so i quoted the actual bill I found which amends the CSA as far as i can tell, unless you were referring to something else


A BILL

To amend the Controlled Substances Act to place synthetic drugs in Schedule I.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

    This Act may be cited as the ‘Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2012’.

SEC. 2. ADDITION OF SYNTHETIC DRUGS TO SCHEDULE I OF THE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES ACT.

    (a) Cannabimimetic Agents- Schedule I, as set forth in section 202(c) of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812(c)) is amended by adding at the end the following:

        ‘(d)(1) Unless specifically exempted or unless listed in another schedule, any material, compound, mixture, or preparation which contains any quantity of cannabimimetic agents, or which contains their salts, isomers, and salts of isomers whenever the existence of such salts, isomers, and salts of isomers is possible within the specific chemical designation.

        ‘(2) In paragraph (1):

            ‘(A) The term ‘cannabimimetic agents’ means any substance that is a cannabinoid receptor type 1 (CB1 receptor) agonist as demonstrated by binding studies and functional assays within any of the following structural classes:

                ‘(i) 2-(3-hydroxycyclohexyl)phenol with substitution at the 5-position of the phenolic ring by alkyl or alkenyl, whether or not substituted on the cyclohexyl ring to any extent.

                ‘(ii) 3-(1-naphthoyl)indole or 3-(1-naphthylmethane)indole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the indole ring, whether or not further substituted on the indole ring to any extent, whether or not substituted on the naphthoyl or naphthyl ring to any extent.

                ‘(iii) 3-(1-naphthoyl)pyrrole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the pyrrole ring, whether or not further substituted in the pyrrole ring to any extent, whether or not substituted on the naphthoyl ring to any extent.

                ‘(iv) 1-(1-naphthylmethylene)indene by substitution of the 3-position of the indene ring, whether or not further substituted in the indene ring to any extent, whether or not substituted on the naphthyl ring to any extent.

                ‘(v) 3-phenylacetylindole or 3-benzoylindole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the indole ring, whether or not further substituted in the indole ring to any extent, whether or not substituted on the phenyl ring to any extent.

            ‘(B) Such term includes--

                ‘(i) 5-(1,1-dimethylheptyl)-2-[(1R,3S)-3-hydroxycyclohexyl]-phenol (CP-47,497);

                ‘(ii) 5-(1,1-dimethyloctyl)-2-[(1R,3S)-3-hydroxycyclohexyl]-phenol (cannabicyclohexanol or CP-47,497 C8-homolog);

                ‘(iii) 1-pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-018 and AM678);

                ‘(iv) 1-butyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-073);

                ‘(v) 1-hexyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-019);

                ‘(vi) 1-[2-(4-morpholinyl)ethyl]-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-200);

                ‘(vii) 1-pentyl-3-(2-methoxyphenylacetyl)indole (JWH-250);

                ‘(viii) 1-pentyl-3-[1-(4-methoxynaphthoyl)]indole (JWH-081);

                ‘(ix) 1-pentyl-3-(4-methyl-1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-122);

                ‘(x) 1-pentyl-3-(4-chloro-1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-398);

                ‘(xi) 1-(5-fluoropentyl)-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (AM2201);

                ‘(xii) 1-(5-fluoropentyl)-3-(2-iodobenzoyl)indole (AM694);

                ‘(xiii) 1-pentyl-3-[(4-methoxy)-benzoyl]indole (SR-19 and RCS-4);

                ‘(xiv) 1-cyclohexylethyl-3-(2-methoxyphenylacetyl)indole (SR-18 and RCS-8); and

                ‘(xv) 1-pentyl-3-(2-chlorophenylacetyl)indole (JWH-203).’.

    (b) Other Drugs- Schedule I of section 202(c) of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812(c)) is amended in subsection (c) by adding at the end the following:

            ‘(18) 4-methylmethcathinone (Mephedrone).

            ‘(19) 3,4-methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV).

            ‘(20) 3,4-methylenedioxymethcathinone (methylone).

            ‘(21) Naphthylpyrovalerone (naphyrone).

            ‘(22) 4-fluoromethcathinone (flephedrone).

            ‘(23) 4-methoxymethcathinone (methedrone; Bk-PMMA).

            ‘(24) Ethcathinone (N-Ethylcathinone).

            ‘(25) 3,4-methylenedioxyethcathinone (ethylone).

            ‘(26) Beta-keto-N-methyl-3,4-benzodioxyolybutanamine (butylone).

            ‘(27) N,N-dimethylcathinone (metamfepramone).

            ‘(28) Alpha-pyrrolidinopropiophenone (alpha-PPP).

            ‘(29) 4-methoxy-alpha-pyrrolidinopropiophenone (MOPPP).

            ‘(30) 3,4-methylenedioxy-alphapyrrolidinopropiophenone (MDPPP).

            ‘(31) Alpha-pyrrolidinovalerophenone (alpha-PVP).

            ‘(32) 6,7-dihydro-5H-indeno-(5,6-d)-1,3-dioxol-6-amine) (MDAI).

            ‘(33) 3-fluoromethcathinone.

            ‘(34) 4’-Methyl-a-pyrrolidinobutiophenone (MPBP).

            ‘(35) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxy-4-ethylphenyl)ethanamine (2C-E).

            ‘(36) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxy-4-methylphenyl)ethanamine (2C-D).

            ‘(37) 2-(4-Chloro-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C-C).

            ‘(38) 2-(4-Iodo-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C-I).

            ‘(39) 2-[4-(Ethylthio)-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl]ethanamine (2C-T-2).

            ‘(40) 2-[4-(Isopropylthio)-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl]ethanamine (2C-T-4).

            ‘(41) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C-H).

            ‘(42) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxy-4-nitro-phenyl)ethanamine (2C-N).

            ‘(43) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylphenyl)ethanamine (2C-P).’.
Title: Re: Synthetic Drugs Ban Being Passed - What do these new analog clauses mean?
Post by: modest mouse on June 02, 2012, 04:23 am
from the senate a week ago, evidently section b was altered, shortening the list but it still has all the ones i care about...

(b) Other Drugs.--Schedule I of section 202(c) of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812(c)) is amended in subsection (c) by adding at the end the following:

    ``(18) 4 -methylmethcathinone (Mephedrone).

    ``(19) 3,4 -methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV).

    ``(20) 2 -(2 ,5 -Dimethoxy -4 -ethylphenyl )ethanamine (2C E).

    ``(21) 2 -(2 ,5 -Dimethoxy -4 -methylphenyl)ethanamine (2C D).

    ``(22) 2 -(4 -Chloro-2 ,5 -dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C C).

    ``(23) 2 -(4 -Iodo-2 ,5 -dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C I).

    ``(24) 2 -[4 -(Ethylthio)-2 ,5 -dimethoxyphenyl]ethanamine (2C T 2 ).

    ``(25) 2 -[4 -(Isopropylthio)-2 ,5 -dimethoxyphenyl]ethanamine (2C T 4 ).

    ``(26) 2 -(2 ,5 -Dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C H).

    ``(27) 2 -(2 ,5 -Dimethoxy -4 -nitro-phenyl)ethanamine (2C N).

    ``(28) 2 -(2 ,5 -Dimethoxy -4 -(n)-propylphenyl)ethanamine (2C P).
Title: Re: Synthetic Drugs Ban Being Passed - What do these new analog clauses mean?
Post by: foxymeow on June 02, 2012, 04:43 am
from the senate a week ago, evidently section b was altered, shortening the list but it still has all the ones i care about...

(b) Other Drugs.--Schedule I of section 202(c) of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812(c)) is amended in subsection (c) by adding at the end the following:

    ``(18) 4 -methylmethcathinone (Mephedrone).

    ``(19) 3,4 -methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV).

    ``(20) 2 -(2 ,5 -Dimethoxy -4 -ethylphenyl )ethanamine (2C E).

    ``(21) 2 -(2 ,5 -Dimethoxy -4 -methylphenyl)ethanamine (2C D).

    ``(22) 2 -(4 -Chloro-2 ,5 -dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C C).

    ``(23) 2 -(4 -Iodo-2 ,5 -dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C I).

    ``(24) 2 -[4 -(Ethylthio)-2 ,5 -dimethoxyphenyl]ethanamine (2C T 2 ).

    ``(25) 2 -[4 -(Isopropylthio)-2 ,5 -dimethoxyphenyl]ethanamine (2C T 4 ).

    ``(26) 2 -(2 ,5 -Dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C H).

    ``(27) 2 -(2 ,5 -Dimethoxy -4 -nitro-phenyl)ethanamine (2C N).

    ``(28) 2 -(2 ,5 -Dimethoxy -4 -(n)-propylphenyl)ethanamine (2C P).

Yeah the 2cs are still on :(. I don't understand how the 2cs got dragged into the whole bath salt thing. There has never been a single instance where 2cs were sold as bath salts.
what you cut out was the listing of the synthetic cannabinoids, as it states in the line above what you quoted in the bill... below that is where they list all the ketones and psychedelics, which you didnt mention, but is actually the part of the bill you should be concerned with. if it passes, things like the phenethylamines will be specifically outlawed unfortunately as schedule 1.

your link doesnt work, so i quoted the actual bill I found which amends the CSA as far as i can tell, unless you were referring to something else


A BILL

To amend the Controlled Substances Act to place synthetic drugs in Schedule I.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

    This Act may be cited as the ‘Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2012’.

SEC. 2. ADDITION OF SYNTHETIC DRUGS TO SCHEDULE I OF THE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES ACT.

    (a) Cannabimimetic Agents- Schedule I, as set forth in section 202(c) of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812(c)) is amended by adding at the end the following:

        ‘(d)(1) Unless specifically exempted or unless listed in another schedule, any material, compound, mixture, or preparation which contains any quantity of cannabimimetic agents, or which contains their salts, isomers, and salts of isomers whenever the existence of such salts, isomers, and salts of isomers is possible within the specific chemical designation.

        ‘(2) In paragraph (1):

            ‘(A) The term ‘cannabimimetic agents’ means any substance that is a cannabinoid receptor type 1 (CB1 receptor) agonist as demonstrated by binding studies and functional assays within any of the following structural classes:

                ‘(i) 2-(3-hydroxycyclohexyl)phenol with substitution at the 5-position of the phenolic ring by alkyl or alkenyl, whether or not substituted on the cyclohexyl ring to any extent.

                ‘(ii) 3-(1-naphthoyl)indole or 3-(1-naphthylmethane)indole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the indole ring, whether or not further substituted on the indole ring to any extent, whether or not substituted on the naphthoyl or naphthyl ring to any extent.

                ‘(iii) 3-(1-naphthoyl)pyrrole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the pyrrole ring, whether or not further substituted in the pyrrole ring to any extent, whether or not substituted on the naphthoyl ring to any extent.

                ‘(iv) 1-(1-naphthylmethylene)indene by substitution of the 3-position of the indene ring, whether or not further substituted in the indene ring to any extent, whether or not substituted on the naphthyl ring to any extent.

                ‘(v) 3-phenylacetylindole or 3-benzoylindole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the indole ring, whether or not further substituted in the indole ring to any extent, whether or not substituted on the phenyl ring to any extent.

            ‘(B) Such term includes--

                ‘(i) 5-(1,1-dimethylheptyl)-2-[(1R,3S)-3-hydroxycyclohexyl]-phenol (CP-47,497);

                ‘(ii) 5-(1,1-dimethyloctyl)-2-[(1R,3S)-3-hydroxycyclohexyl]-phenol (cannabicyclohexanol or CP-47,497 C8-homolog);

                ‘(iii) 1-pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-018 and AM678);

                ‘(iv) 1-butyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-073);

                ‘(v) 1-hexyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-019);

                ‘(vi) 1-[2-(4-morpholinyl)ethyl]-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-200);

                ‘(vii) 1-pentyl-3-(2-methoxyphenylacetyl)indole (JWH-250);

                ‘(viii) 1-pentyl-3-[1-(4-methoxynaphthoyl)]indole (JWH-081);

                ‘(ix) 1-pentyl-3-(4-methyl-1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-122);

                ‘(x) 1-pentyl-3-(4-chloro-1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-398);

                ‘(xi) 1-(5-fluoropentyl)-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (AM2201);

                ‘(xii) 1-(5-fluoropentyl)-3-(2-iodobenzoyl)indole (AM694);

                ‘(xiii) 1-pentyl-3-[(4-methoxy)-benzoyl]indole (SR-19 and RCS-4);

                ‘(xiv) 1-cyclohexylethyl-3-(2-methoxyphenylacetyl)indole (SR-18 and RCS-8); and

                ‘(xv) 1-pentyl-3-(2-chlorophenylacetyl)indole (JWH-203).’.

    (b) Other Drugs- Schedule I of section 202(c) of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812(c)) is amended in subsection (c) by adding at the end the following:

            ‘(18) 4-methylmethcathinone (Mephedrone).

            ‘(19) 3,4-methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV).

            ‘(20) 3,4-methylenedioxymethcathinone (methylone).

            ‘(21) Naphthylpyrovalerone (naphyrone).

            ‘(22) 4-fluoromethcathinone (flephedrone).

            ‘(23) 4-methoxymethcathinone (methedrone; Bk-PMMA).

            ‘(24) Ethcathinone (N-Ethylcathinone).

            ‘(25) 3,4-methylenedioxyethcathinone (ethylone).

            ‘(26) Beta-keto-N-methyl-3,4-benzodioxyolybutanamine (butylone).

            ‘(27) N,N-dimethylcathinone (metamfepramone).

            ‘(28) Alpha-pyrrolidinopropiophenone (alpha-PPP).

            ‘(29) 4-methoxy-alpha-pyrrolidinopropiophenone (MOPPP).

            ‘(30) 3,4-methylenedioxy-alphapyrrolidinopropiophenone (MDPPP).

            ‘(31) Alpha-pyrrolidinovalerophenone (alpha-PVP).

            ‘(32) 6,7-dihydro-5H-indeno-(5,6-d)-1,3-dioxol-6-amine) (MDAI).

            ‘(33) 3-fluoromethcathinone.

            ‘(34) 4’-Methyl-a-pyrrolidinobutiophenone (MPBP).

            ‘(35) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxy-4-ethylphenyl)ethanamine (2C-E).

            ‘(36) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxy-4-methylphenyl)ethanamine (2C-D).

            ‘(37) 2-(4-Chloro-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C-C).

            ‘(38) 2-(4-Iodo-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C-I).

            ‘(39) 2-[4-(Ethylthio)-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl]ethanamine (2C-T-2).

            ‘(40) 2-[4-(Isopropylthio)-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl]ethanamine (2C-T-4).

            ‘(41) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C-H).

            ‘(42) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxy-4-nitro-phenyl)ethanamine (2C-N).

            ‘(43) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylphenyl)ethanamine (2C-P).’.

I already knew about those. I thought they had replaced those chemicals with analog clauses that covered them or something. I guess I was wrong.

So I really don't understand, is this bill that is supposed to ban bath salts (which is the political wave it is riding) ban everything except bath salts. All the chemicals from the old bill were the chemicals that are sold as bath salts.... In florida most of the cathinones are already illegal.

I'm so confused lol.
Title: Re: Synthetic Drugs Ban Being Passed - What do these new analog clauses mean?
Post by: kmfkewm on June 02, 2012, 05:25 am
2c-h being banned sucks since it is the precursor for pretty much all of the other 2c- drugs. Time for people to stock up on as many kilos of that as possible.
Title: Re: Synthetic Drugs Ban Being Passed - What do these new analog clauses mean?
Post by: 34tuforlunch on June 02, 2012, 12:16 pm
As a Canadian vendor I will make sure to stock all the Rc's Americans love. Hopefully harper does not just do the same stuff as the us.
Title: Re: Synthetic Drugs Ban Being Passed - What do these new analog clauses mean?
Post by: klaw239 on June 02, 2012, 09:54 pm
What it  means is they are banning  chemicals/drugs that do not even exist today so that one can create a new one out the ones that currently do.

In essence if chocolate milk did not exist It would be against the law to add nestle quick to it and sell it as choc milk cause milk is banned so anything related to any chemical make up in milk can never be made.

Excuse my poor terminology. Not a chemist.
Title: Re: Synthetic Drugs Ban Being Passed - What do these new analog clauses mean?
Post by: febbraio2468 on June 03, 2012, 12:11 am
What it  means is they are banning  chemicals/drugs that do not even exist today so that one can create a new one out the ones that currently do.

In essence if chocolate milk did not exist It would be against the law to add nestle quick to it and sell it as choc milk cause milk is banned so anything related to any chemical make up in milk can never be made.

Excuse my poor terminology. Not a chemist.

They'll take my chocolate milk when they pry it out of my cold dead hands.