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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: cirrus on October 04, 2013, 05:01 pm

Title: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: cirrus on October 04, 2013, 05:01 pm
I know there are a lot of emotions we're all dealing with right now in light of recent events but we have to remember what we stood for here.

I don't think I could say it any better than Libertas's message:

"Dread Pirate Roberts - as a persona - has singlehandedly kept world governments at bay for two and a half years. This idea that this one entity can successfully thwart the phenomenal resources and bloodthirsty power of numerous governments for so long is something that should be taken to heart, and never forgotten. We have the power to fight these agents of oppression, to fight the governments that task them with that oppression, and with the fires that Silk Road has stoked in our hearts and minds we must do just that.

Dread Pirate Roberts has shown that free people can engage in consensual free-market transactions for any good or service that they desire without societal or community breakdown, nor the need for enforcement from jackbooted thugs. Silk Road as an experiment has shown that the idea of the free-market is one that works, and works exceptionally well.

We must stand on the shoulders of this tragedy that has befallen us and raise high what still remains - our sense of community, freedom and justice. No doubt we will all regroup elsewhere, and I look forward to seeing all of you again, still free and still engaging in free trade without government interference into your personal affairs."

This is who we are and we are better than a mob of vigilantes. Most of you are aware of this and realize how much bigger all this site was than just a place to buy drugs.  Until this site breathes no more I'm going to make sure we remain true to what we stood for.

I stand with you to the end... your humble servant,

Cirrus
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: IForgotMyFuckingPassword on October 04, 2013, 06:03 pm
I know there are a lot of emotions we're all dealing with right now in light of recent events but we have to remember what we stood for here.

This is who we are and we are better than a mob of vigilantes. Most of you are aware of this and realize how much bigger all this site was than just a place to buy drugs.  Until this site breathes no more I'm going to make sure we remain true to what we stood for.

I stand with you to the end... your humble servant,

Cirrus

Why do I feel like I'm the only one who agrees with this? Turning to violence will only hurt the progress that's been made here. It gives the public a way to dismiss us as nothing more than mobsters and common criminals.

They tried the whole using violence for progress in the US in the 1970s. It backfired spectacularly; we ended up with the war on drugs and Regan. It's taken 40 years to start swinging back in the other direction. Learn from that.

Violence will only make things worse. Non-violent resistance is a much stronger force for change.
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: boysen on October 04, 2013, 06:45 pm
Can only shake my head at the people talking about finding where FBI agents live. Are they going to go beat up a fed? What the fuck good could come out of that? At best, the retards go to jail.
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: ProEvo on October 04, 2013, 07:06 pm
The last thing we wan't to do is to take a step backwards. DPR has a special place in my heart for what he has accomplished in the last few years. Killing people, especially feds, is just ridiculous. I firmly believe that DPR would not send messages, especially when talking about killing someone, unencrypted. He is a very smart guy and all the details of this case just wreak of bullshit! I just hope that DPR doesn't have to spend the rest of his life in jail.
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: IForgotMyFuckingPassword on October 04, 2013, 07:12 pm
Can only shake my head at the people talking about finding where FBI agents live. Are they going to go beat up a fed? What the fuck good could come out of that? At best, the retards go to jail.
Well said.

Not only that, but Tarbell has been well known for the last 2 years. He was involved in the Lulzsec bust. He's not exactly off the radar.

Feds are like weeds, if you cut the head off of one, two more will sprout to take it's place. It's pointless.

BTW, there's nothing libertarian about vigilante justice (I'm not a libertarian, but seems like lots of folks here are).
 
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: Diamond on October 04, 2013, 07:32 pm

This is who we are and we are better than a mob of vigilantes. Most of you are aware of this and realize how much bigger all this site was than just a place to buy drugs.  Until this site breathes no more I'm going to make sure we remain true to what we stood for.

I stand with you to the end... your humble servant,

Cirrus

Agreed. The whole reason I came to the Road was because I didn't want to be involved in violence.
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: livestr0ng on October 04, 2013, 07:47 pm
I firmly believe that DPR would not send messages, especially when talking about killing someone, unencrypted.
StExo said they published some messages between him and DPR so they got his encryption key. Although, I still feel like he would have done that kind of business in a safer manner. Then again, look at how he got caught up and the trail he left.
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: mpaka2 on October 04, 2013, 07:50 pm
Forget violence, folks, that could never do any good. Only criminals and criminal organizations, including the FBI, use violence.

HOWEVER, a bit of anxiety/stress can be sent their way by doxing and making these "law enforcement agents" (unthinking oppressive goons) realize that the many large-scale dealers they fucked over are royally pissed off and might consider the idea of revenge. It's extremely unlikely that any of them will, but it's the IDEA itself that it could happen that serves as revenge. Let their actions have at least SOME repercussion.

Perhaps that would force them to stop and think about what they are REALLY doing, in addition to "enforcing the law."
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: incubusdriver on October 04, 2013, 09:34 pm
Forget violence, folks, that could never do any good. Only criminals and criminal organizations, including the FBI, use violence.

HOWEVER, a bit of anxiety/stress can be sent their way by doxing and making these "law enforcement agents" (unthinking oppressive goons) realize that the many large-scale dealers they fucked over are royally pissed off and might consider the idea of revenge. It's extremely unlikely that any of them will, but it's the IDEA itself that it could happen that serves as revenge. Let their actions have at least SOME repercussion.

Perhaps that would force them to stop and think about what they are REALLY doing, in addition to "enforcing the law."

mpaka2, I believe this to still be unnecessary muscle-flexing. Peacefully does it :-)
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: boysen on October 04, 2013, 09:57 pm
The fact that you're even thinking about threatening feds. What do you think that would get you? You think drug dealers threatening them would make them back off? Threaten them and you get more heat, you'd give them an excuse to go all in. Please, for the sake of everything SR stood for, drop this stupid idea of threatening/scaring feds and move on. Cartels and criminal organizations silence authorities, we stay ahead of them.
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: colorblack on October 04, 2013, 10:01 pm
I firmly believe that DPR would not send messages, especially when talking about killing someone, unencrypted.
StExo said they published some messages between him and DPR so they got his encryption key. Although, I still feel like he would have done that kind of business in a safer manner. Then again, look at how he got caught up and the trail he left.

First of all, +1 to Cirrus. Thank you for being a voice of rationale, calm, and leadership during this period. I whole heartedly agree. Threats of violence is absolutely unacceptable. Please people.. think before you speak and act.

LiveStrong - can you please show me where StExo said this? The affidavit said they published msgs between him (meaning Stexo?) and DPR that were encrypted? I'd be curious to see this
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: IForgotMyFuckingPassword on October 04, 2013, 10:04 pm
Forget violence, folks, that could never do any good. Only criminals and criminal organizations, including the FBI, use violence.

HOWEVER, a bit of anxiety/stress can be sent their way by doxing and making these "law enforcement agents" (unthinking oppressive goons) realize that the many large-scale dealers they fucked over are royally pissed off and might consider the idea of revenge. It's extremely unlikely that any of them will, but it's the IDEA itself that it could happen that serves as revenge. Let their actions have at least SOME repercussion.

Perhaps that would force them to stop and think about what they are REALLY doing, in addition to "enforcing the law."
You're not going to intimidate LE by doxing them. If anything, antagonizing them is just going to make them more zealous. That's naive at best. They're gonna double down if you start going after them thinking you can frighten them into leaving you alone. They may be goons, and they may not be the sharpest tools in the shed, but they're not retarded. They've been pissing off "large scale dealers" for decades; trust me, they're not losing any sleep over it.

The best approach is to move on. We can continue this movement without violence or any other form of aggression/intimidation. That's how the war on drugs will be won: peacefully. If you really  want policy change, then you need popular  support.

How long have the various mafias been battling the feds for? Where has that gotten them? They don't seem to have any fears in enforcing the RICO Act.
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: Cornelius23 on October 05, 2013, 12:59 am
+1 to cirrus also.

HOWEVER, a bit of anxiety/stress can be sent their way by doxing and making these "law enforcement agents" (unthinking oppressive goons) realize that the many large-scale dealers they fucked over are royally pissed off and might consider the idea of revenge. It's extremely unlikely that any of them will, but it's the IDEA itself that it could happen that serves as revenge. Let their actions have at least SOME repercussion.
Perhaps that would force them to stop and think about what they are REALLY doing, in addition to "enforcing the law."

Yes, threats of retaliatory violence. Something that no LEO has ever experienced before. They'd never expect that! ;)

(Apologies, but sometimes the sarcasm is just too strong in me).
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: ddxafh on October 05, 2013, 04:17 pm
If LEO can't handle you, the military can.  Do you see that military uniform, gangster?  I dare you to shoot the lone soldier running the high intensity lights.  You shoot him and you'll wish they sent a SWAT team or two.
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: greenhaus on October 05, 2013, 05:09 pm
I had this idea to print off a bunch of papers with the SR camel on it and distribute it from high up onto the federal court where his hearing will be. non violent but shows him we still support him without making contact. hell we could even make a game out of it and only print off as many sheets as people backing him. but it was just a thought prob wont go anywhere lol
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: Tessellated on October 05, 2013, 05:37 pm
Cops are just ignorant backwards people doing an evil job... no reason to resort to violence.

Now a snitch on the other hand...
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: railroadbill on October 05, 2013, 06:38 pm
Cops are just ignorant backwards people doing an evil job... no reason to resort to violence.

Now a snitch on the other hand...

Nazi's are just ignorant backwards people doing an evil job...no reason to resort to violence.

Now a jew on the other hand....
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: ItalianMafiaBrussels on October 06, 2013, 12:12 am

I still have the urge to think it was 1 april Fool's day.. DPR the big clown making a big joke about him publicly advertising SR with his real personal name..

Even a better joke was the one about the safety of SR with the ultra elite back up plans.. Wow !!

Sorry, no respect for this guy.. another reason i show no respect is because he wanted to ban me for doing Out of escrow deals. After having a discussion by rationally explaining why those specific out of escrow deals would only benefit him too and no one would lose, he kept insisting that the escrow was such a good system and that every coin had to go through it, and it was my 'last warning'

Well thanks for forcing me to put all my coins into your oh-so-safe-and-well escrow, you clown!

Third reason why i don't have much respect for this guy, is that he ordered a hire for murder, while he prohibited the sale of hitmen on his site. So you don't let anyone else hire hitmen, but you do use one yourself ? Is this libertism ??? I call it being a funny clown.

'The most mysterious character on the internet' well apparently not so mysterious.. I think anyone around him knowing of SR could suspect he could be DPR, with all the hints on his youtube/linkedln/facebook and what not.

It almost makes it seem like he did it all for the fame, almost wanting to get caught.

Running SR and still living in the USA ?? What the fuck ?? You should have been somewhere in the bahama's taking care of REALLY securing sr, with a back up plan, not sitting in the USA, indirectly bragging about SR on your facebook profile, and giving the SR community the illusion that you have created a back up plan and SR is very safe.

Doing jail time is not a fun thing, and you don't deserve being in jail for a long time, but you do deserve a good lesson clown boy !!!

The day you come out of jail i will Track you down to demand my 250.000 USD you clown ! Of that were 1000 coins unhedged, so expect to pay the profit too if the coins have risen in value !
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: GyroGym on October 06, 2013, 04:17 am

I still have the urge to think it was 1 april Fool's day.. DPR the big clown making a big joke about him publicly advertising SR with his real personal name..

Even a better joke was the one about the safety of SR with the ultra elite back up plans.. Wow !!

Sorry, no respect for this guy.. another reason i show no respect is because he wanted to ban me for doing Out of escrow deals. After having a discussion by rationally explaining why those specific out of escrow deals would only benefit him too and no one would lose, he kept insisting that the escrow was such a good system and that every coin had to go through it, and it was my 'last warning'

Well thanks for forcing me to put all my coins into your oh-so-safe-and-well escrow, you clown!

Third reason why i don't have much respect for this guy, is that he ordered a hire for murder, while he prohibited the sale of hitmen on his site. So you don't let anyone else hire hitmen, but you do use one yourself ? Is this libertism ??? I call it being a funny clown.

'The most mysterious character on the internet' well apparently not so mysterious.. I think anyone around him knowing of SR could suspect he could be DPR, with all the hints on his youtube/linkedln/facebook and what not.

It almost makes it seem like he did it all for the fame, almost wanting to get caught.

Running SR and still living in the USA ?? What the fuck ?? You should have been somewhere in the bahama's taking care of REALLY securing sr, with a back up plan, not sitting in the USA, indirectly bragging about SR on your facebook profile, and giving the SR community the illusion that you have created a back up plan and SR is very safe.

Doing jail time is not a fun thing, and you don't deserve being in jail for a long time, but you do deserve a good lesson clown boy !!!

The day you come out of jail i will Track you down to demand my 250.000 USD you clown ! Of that were 1000 coins unhedged, so expect to pay the profit too if the coins have risen in value !

 Fuckin rights dude I totally agree with ya, I'd be gettin my money back just as you would. As much as I appreciate what hes done and allowed people to come together and the worst thing that happened in the entire life of SR were arguments and people stealing, and acting like children. Thats a hell of alot better than people overdosing on bad and unsafe dosed drugs, firearms, and just plain physical assaults and killings.....alot of the time over nothing.

 But this doesn't take away from the fact that he was careless and in his mind we are just another spoke in the wheel for his profit......personaly, I find it insulting more than anything.
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: HassleHoff on October 06, 2013, 05:10 am
Feds are like weeds, if you cut the head off of one, two more will sprout to take it's place. It's pointless.

The same could be said of drug users. Nothing is ever going to stop people from wanting to use chemicals to adjust and influence their moods and consciousness. The feds could arrest and execute everybody who every bought anything off the Silk Road and it would do *nothing* to reduce the demand for drugs.
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: lobster55 on October 06, 2013, 04:07 pm
Just HOW was SR shut down?If the FEDS could not do it before the arrest, what changed? Did DPR give them info. to be able to do this? Idon't understand the mechanics.
Title: Re: Threats of Harm - Let's not forget...
Post by: technofarm on October 09, 2013, 03:01 am
I had this idea to print off a bunch of papers with the SR camel on it and distribute it from high up onto the federal court where his hearing will be. non violent but shows him we still support him without making contact. hell we could even make a game out of it and only print off as many sheets as people backing him. but it was just a thought prob wont go anywhere lol

This is an awesome idea.   

I have so much respect for SR and its members.   it's a mad world we live in.