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Title: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: RealJohnnyDepp on August 09, 2013, 09:04 pm
With everything happening lately, I think sooner then later, shit is going 2 hit the fan and all of our Journeys throughout the Road will eventually come 2 a halting end unfortunately. DPR has done an excellent job, but I don't think this will last much longer.


It's sad for me 2 say this, but I personally believe eventually shit will start getting even more serious and the FED/GOVERNMENT at the end of the day will have it's way and will win the fight over DPR and SR. No matter how much protection/security measures you are taking, the FEDS/GOVERNMENT will most likely prevail, in my opinion.

I sincerely hope and pray that none of you fine SR Buyers and Vendors don't end up eventually getting locked up and having your life's ruined over this shit.


Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: DrMDA on August 09, 2013, 09:23 pm
You DEA or FBI? Come on, just be honest, let us know which. You need to work on your scare mongering though, it is quite transparent.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Bazille on August 09, 2013, 09:32 pm
If they had a working root exploit for the SR/forum software they would have used it already. Maybe they'll have one in the future, but you can't predict this. No need to believe in the end of the world just because some people with superficial knowledge spread fear, uncertainty and doubt.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: virmo_vendor on August 09, 2013, 09:47 pm
" Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer...."

Is what people already thought some years ago...
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: MadScyentist on August 09, 2013, 10:14 pm
Spreading dumb shit like this doesn't help much either.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: TA on August 09, 2013, 10:23 pm
It better stick around. Im just about to get started!  ;D
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: RealJohnnyDepp on August 09, 2013, 10:26 pm
WELL, IM SORRY...IM JUST RELYING ON OTHER INFORMATION I AM FUCKING READING ON THESE FORUMS....
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: paxpax on August 09, 2013, 10:43 pm
RJ you are likely correct... No empire last forever, especially one the goes to wars with others. SR will eventually die, the writing is on the wall as they say. However, the idea has been uncorked and others will rise in it's place. The key, quite honestly, is the payment system. As long as bitcoin, bitcoin like, or improved anonymous payment systems stay viable and tor, or tor like networks remain, these markets will continue to flourish.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: xda on August 09, 2013, 11:15 pm
This guy can't even spell out a two letter word.

This is not fucking twitter, stop using shorthand for everything for god sakes.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: jackofspades on August 09, 2013, 11:16 pm
FUD
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Praetorian on August 10, 2013, 12:06 am
They said the same thing about Rock & Roll.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: THUMBSuP. on August 10, 2013, 12:09 am
this isn't Twitter.....?? fuck..





/thumbs
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Nemesis0914 on August 10, 2013, 12:44 am
Even if this place went down something else would pop up.....that the game.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: OneBadDream on August 10, 2013, 01:45 am
This road has many miles ahead of it to go hopefully. It truly is a great place...
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: RealJohnnyDepp on August 10, 2013, 01:55 am
listen guys, i wasn't trying to be a dick....I was just simply stating my opinion.

I just wanted to know everyone's thoughts on the issue, ok?

Thanks.....Sorry if I offended any of you.

Bye.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: R90 on August 10, 2013, 03:49 am
RJ you are likely correct... No empire last forever, especially one the goes to wars with others. SR will eventually die, the writing is on the wall as they say. However, the idea has been uncorked and others will rise in it's place. The key, quite honestly, is the payment system. As long as bitcoin, bitcoin like, or improved anonymous payment systems stay viable and tor, or tor like networks remain, these markets will continue to flourish.

My thoughts exactly. SR would be a hard act to follow though. But it will be followed, it's already being copied albeit with limited or no real success. It truly has been a revolution, as has bitcoin. No doubt there will be many more big changes to come, this is just the beginning....long may it continue like this!

Maybe the OP feels he's found something that's just too good to be true and fears that Murphy's Law will inevitably kick in.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Flowski on August 10, 2013, 05:03 am
Honestly I don't even think they would shut it down if they could. Think about it, what do they get by shutting it down? One big day of headline news, that's it. I seriously think they would rather occasionally bust a few buyers that are purchasing large amounts, and very rarely bust vendors when they can. They want people to go to jail if anything. They don't get shit if they somehow "pull the plug".

I could be dead wrong, but this is the way I see it.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: MissNatural on August 10, 2013, 05:06 am
Where there is a will there is a way. SR will always exist, or at least some variant of it. If SR ever gets shut down, all of the users WILL migrate to the other markets. If all those markets get shut down, some people will start up new ones. It is inevitable. People have drugs to sell and online is by far the safest way. Massive Criminal Syndicates can get vendor accounts and make millions of dollars per month on SR with a very minimal risk compared to selling in real life. You actually believe that if these markets get shut down another one wont spring right up?

SR is still very young, and it IS the new generation of drug dealing, and it's only getting started. It has a long ways to go.

There's also another reason why sites like this will ALWAYS exist.... even if a person of interest isn't selling drugs... a very skilled computer programmer/html expert etc, would make thousands of dollars per day starting up and running a site like this, soley off the commision they make, that is if their site is the dominant one. Hell, if SR went down and no other market was availible, I would drop everything I am doing and start development of a new site.

For every government personel trying to find a way to stop SR, to stop the darkweb, there will be ten thousand there trying to increase security, increase anonymity, to increase the longevity, of this place.

LONG LIVE SR.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: jlranier on August 10, 2013, 05:07 am
Viva la Roade
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: foxen624 on August 10, 2013, 05:14 am
They said the same thing about Rock & Roll.

Indeed they did...   and what do they say now?  "Rock 'n Roll is Here to Stay!"  and/or "Rock 'n Roll will Never Die!"  and it is and it hasn't... ;D
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: truestorytrust on August 10, 2013, 05:40 am
As long as people continue to get high and cherish there high SR or some other of its type will take its place. 
As long as people continue to make money off people getting high SR or some other of its type will take its place.  As long as we need to give the police something to do, SR or some other of its type will take its place.
As long as the industry keeps making movies on drugs SR or some other of its type  will take its place.
As long as the cia keeps using drug money  to operate its structure SR or some other of its type will takes its place.  As long as the local police department and district attorney keeps gaining money to rebuild its town and hire excorts SR or some other of its type will take its place.  Drugs were here before we even excisted and will be there after we no longer excist.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: livestr0ng on August 10, 2013, 05:42 am
Even if this place went down something else would pop up.....that the game.
It would take a long time to get people to trust it like they do SR. Also, can you imagine all the scams that would take place in the beginning?
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: DrWalterB on August 10, 2013, 06:49 am
I am sure we all will be here for a long time :)
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Nero on August 10, 2013, 07:32 am
SR is too big of an enterprise to die now. Don't you think they would have thought of these types of scenarios already?

My bet is they have the SR setup copied to a few USBs in different parts of the world. If SR were ever to go down, these other ones would make it back to the darknet in someway. Perhaps SR sleeper cells in no way connected to SR are just waiting, as an insurance. Or maybe mailed to people who could be trusted with the continuation of this place.

Maybe SR is already being rotated around a few different groups of people working together and everytime there is an unscheduled maintenance, thats one team breaking down to move and another team setting up.



Buyers, vendors and even DPRs will come and go, but SilkRoad will remain.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: top44 on August 10, 2013, 10:13 am
only true roaders will use road in the end.

FUCK THE POLICE
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Bazille on August 10, 2013, 11:37 am
Meanwhile drug dealing on the clearnet is still going strong, right now there's 500 users browsing this forum.
http://www.topix.net/forum/drug/valium

This has been going on for more than 3 years, and law enforcement knew about it.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: adamiz on August 10, 2013, 02:47 pm
My friend  RealJohnnyDepp. I totally disagree with your opinion.

First of all because your thought is showing pessimism. Negative thoughts should be avoided especially when it comes to matters that make us happy. Happy thoughts for things that makes us glad. Always.

Secondly I don't think that DPR is a kid who has managed to set up this market out of luck. SR has been attacked many times and it is still online. People who are working on its stability are not just same normal moderators. Don't forget that the greatest hackers work with the people and not with the system. Plus I am sure that DPR has a massive support from people who has abilities to help this market go for long.

And finally I want to quote a line from Guy Fawkes (V from Vendetta):
An Idea cannot be killed.

Take care my friend and stay positive!

Adamiz
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: FearTheReaper on August 10, 2013, 03:23 pm
With everything happening lately, I think sooner then later, shit is going 2 hit the fan and all of our Journeys throughout the Road will eventually come 2 a halting end unfortunately. DPR has done an excellent job, but I don't think this will last much longer.


It's sad for me 2 say this, but I personally believe eventually shit will start getting even more serious and the FED/GOVERNMENT at the end of the day will have it's way and will win the fight over DPR and SR. No matter how much protection/security measures you are taking, the FEDS/GOVERNMENT will most likely prevail, in my opinion.

I sincerely hope and pray that none of you fine SR Buyers and Vendors don't end up eventually getting locked up and having your life's ruined over this shit.

And remember kids, "Just Say NO!"   

Thank You Officer Depp!!!!!!
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: GOTMILKTEAM on August 10, 2013, 04:00 pm
It will never go away SR type marketplaces will be here and will grow. they cant enforce onion and if they do then SR will just move around, maybe there will be a few different hosting options.

Technically SR, BMR, AtL - these sites dont sell drugs they are online market sites. I am not sure it so cut and dry and frankly they cant stop the WWW I doubt they can shut down this movement.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: boosties on August 10, 2013, 06:31 pm
I am sure we all will be here for a long time :)
I was thinking like you a week ago OP. but after much consideration and thought
on the matter, I dont believe the road will ever go away. you have to think of how many people are behind
it and the community anyone is willing to do anything they can to help if need be. the other thing is that
im sure the main people behind SR at this point have really good redundancy in place for any situation
that might occur. not saying it can't happen, just doubt that it will.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: doodoo79 on August 10, 2013, 09:56 pm
"The road goes on forever, the party never ends."
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: noshah on August 10, 2013, 11:19 pm
"The road goes on forever, the party never ends."

ahmen bro
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: somewhere27 on August 11, 2013, 11:02 am
I agree with the OP and think he should probably start the process.  U should probably leave first,  before Y2K,  we'll miss you
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: tbart on August 11, 2013, 02:50 pm
considering the effort LE has to be putting into it, plus with the recent "victory" in busting the FH guy, i suspect there's a good chance it won't last that much longer - but we'll see

DPR earns his money, i can't imagine the security he has to maintain
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: pharmacypowder on August 11, 2013, 03:03 pm
"Silk Road was founded in February 2011.[13] On June 1st, Gawker did a profile story on the site,[7] which led to "internet buzz"[13] and an increase in website traffic.[5] US Senator Charles Schumer asked federal authorities like the DEA and Department of Justice to shut down the website.[14] However, authorities haven't been able to close the domain because it is hosted as a hidden service on the Tor network."

The quote above proves the DEA and most likely every other federal organization that deals with drugs has been using SO many of their resources to try and shut the road down since June 1st 2011, MORE THEN TWO YEARS AGO! And now that the road is working better then ever, has beaten ever attack thrown at it and just keeps growing massively bigger and stronger each day is going to be shut down NOW?! Dude, your WAY off. The road is going nowhere, it would already be long gone if they had anyway of taking it down.

I am sorry and mean no offense to the OP but this thread is stupid and needs to be deleted. Why spread negative rumors man?
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: boosties on August 11, 2013, 03:39 pm
"Silk Road was founded in February 2011.[13] On June 1st, Gawker did a profile story on the site,[7] which led to "internet buzz"[13] and an increase in website traffic.[5] US Senator Charles Schumer asked federal authorities like the DEA and Department of Justice to shut down the website.[14] However, authorities haven't been able to close the domain because it is hosted as a hidden service on the Tor network."

The quote above proves the DEA and most likely every other federal organization that deals with drugs has been using SO many of their resources to try and shut the road down since June 1st 2011, MORE THEN TWO YEARS AGO! And now that the road is working better then ever, has beaten ever attack thrown at it and just keeps growing massively bigger and stronger each day is going to be shut down NOW?! Dude, your WAY off. The road is going nowhere, it would already be long gone if they had anyway of taking it down.

I am sorry and mean no offense to the OP but this thread is stupid and needs to be deleted. Why spread negative rumors man?
AMEN put your faith in the road!
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Aoth14 on August 11, 2013, 04:51 pm
If SR goes down, its backs to the old encrypted menus thru email for most. This doesnt stop drug use, but it does stop the pooling of money, which is the feds main interest, to break down any concentration of wealth not on their team and dissipate it.  The war on drugs has nothing to do with drug or money, its about power and influence. Just standing back and looking at it, I believe cryptocurrencies, work hours and e-money will be attacked before SR. 10 years from now drugs may even be legal, under the guise that you have to purchase them from a government owned source and the funds could only be deducted through your implanted health/finance chip. Starting to ramble but its important to know those who oppose us do not oppose drugs, or have financial greed. Much bigger than that
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: RealJohnnyDepp on August 12, 2013, 07:01 pm
It will never go away SR type marketplaces will be here and will grow. they cant enforce onion and if they do then SR will just move around, maybe there will be a few different hosting options.

Technically SR, BMR, AtL - these sites dont sell drugs they are online market sites. I am not sure it so cut and dry and frankly they cant stop the WWW I doubt they can shut down this movement.

LOL!, BMR and ATL. are full of scammers...
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: silvia777000 on August 12, 2013, 08:28 pm
that comment is so pessimistic! I dont think so. the goverment, is involucrated in narcoterrorism too. and just want to remove the competition (SR)
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Lallahcore. on August 14, 2013, 12:49 am
I doubt the road is going anywhere. Don't be so negative.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Purple_Hue000 on August 14, 2013, 02:24 am
Sure, Silk road isn't gonna last all that long. I bet it won't even last more than 10 years.  But like other's have said "the cat is outta the bag!" And the whole idea of online blackmarkets is mainstream now. But this shit has been going since at least the early 90's maybe even a little earlier.

Honestly, if you're doing your homework on the the vendor your buying from, buying small amounts, and not buying often then you shouldn't really have any worries about LE.   Keep your orders small and infrequent. Then it's like no other piece of mail. 

The Silk Road Marketplace is a tool! use it wisely!
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: herbaman on August 16, 2013, 11:00 pm
With everything happening lately, I think sooner then later, shit is going 2 hit the fan and all of our Journeys throughout the Road will eventually come 2 a halting end unfortunately. DPR has done an excellent job, but I don't think this will last much longer.


It's sad for me 2 say this, but I personally believe eventually shit will start getting even more serious and the FED/GOVERNMENT at the end of the day will have it's way and will win the fight over DPR and SR. No matter how much protection/security measures you are taking, the FEDS/GOVERNMENT will most likely prevail, in my opinion.

I sincerely hope and pray that none of you fine SR Buyers and Vendors don't end up eventually getting locked up and having your life's ruined over this shit.




+1...Surely agreed.Worried about buyers or vendors?
Me Both.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: drugsrbettafree on August 17, 2013, 01:58 am
how could they ever stop this?
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Totalpay on August 17, 2013, 02:29 am
This is a game of cat and mouse, it seems like the real drug game to me. I don't think people are going to give up without a fight, many of these guy's here really know how to hide there ass's and some know nothing.
There is no way they can get us all even if they did get SR or DPR, there's always someone next in line.

Don't give up. Stay strong people ;)
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: JohnTheBaptist on August 17, 2013, 04:22 am
Johhny, don't be a depressing, defeatist, pessimistic, downtrodden, negative, L/E sympathizing scumball.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: shazmo009 on August 17, 2013, 06:34 am
Even if SR eventually does come to an end what DPR has done has revolutionised the way we buy/sell drugs...As stated earlier its like a weed now...If 1 goes down, 2 more will pop up!
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: neplusultra on August 17, 2013, 09:00 pm
With everything happening lately, I think sooner then later, shit is going 2 hit the fan and all of our Journeys throughout the Road will eventually come 2 a halting end unfortunately. DPR has done an excellent job, but I don't think this will last much longer.


It's sad for me 2 say this, but I personally believe eventually shit will start getting even more serious and the FED/GOVERNMENT at the end of the day will have it's way and will win the fight over DPR and SR. No matter how much protection/security measures you are taking, the FEDS/GOVERNMENT will most likely prevail, in my opinion.

I sincerely hope and pray that none of you fine SR Buyers and Vendors don't end up eventually getting locked up and having your life's ruined over this shit.


The Silk Road may come to and end some day, but what it represents will never cease to exist. So the Gov can fuck off.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Purple_Hue000 on August 21, 2013, 04:48 am
Either way,



FUCK THE FEDS!!!!
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Remediless on August 21, 2013, 10:33 am
How many people who were otherwise politically-apathetic have woken up and become accidental Libertarians because of our beloved leader DPR? How many people have started questioning the nanny state and right to do as you please and wish so long as it doesn't harm others? How many people who gave up fighting for their rights years ago and were downtrodden are now taking things into their own hands and ordering what they want, when they want it?

DPR and the brave souls who've joined him in this fight against LE, the Feds and worldwide government are heros and he is leading a revolution that will be going and growing many years from now.

THIS (Silk Road) is just the start and the first few small but sturdy, confident steps on what is going to be a marathon.

It's about a lot more than being able to buy your drug of choice on the internet.

DPR is a man with a very intricate and well-thought out plan and isn't going anywhere.

Read a few books and open your eyes OP. (And I say that with love).
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Reason on August 21, 2013, 12:39 pm
It will happen eventually, let's face it, no party lasts forever.  I don't however see any signs of imminent threat, and it'd be hard to predict as to when that will come (so relax and enjoy while the music still plays!).  :-)

However I'll not damn the OP, as discussing the topic is worthwhile, it could help us think through the situation. 

The attackers (LE, or competitors/criminals) are relentless and SR has no means of counter-attacking (or hopes of defeating it's opponents).  So from a military point of view, we're in a seige/defense situation, which in  the long term is untenable (a seige mentality is normally considered self-defeating in the long-term in military schools of thought, especially against a better supplied opponent). 

Seiges end when the defenses fall or the supplies are exhausted. 

In our scenario, I'd expect that the end would come in the form of a technical failure leading to a breach (defense failure) or an attack on BTC (in the seige analogy the supply lines for the beseiged SR).   

Given all the press lately, I'm inclined to expect the later.  LE has already made it harder to get BTC, and if they are able to continue to squeeze that life-line, it will be very bad for us indeed. 

What think you of my reasoning?  :-)
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: greengrandpa on August 21, 2013, 12:43 pm
i'll light a candle and pray tonight that SR  will live forever
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: james23456 on August 21, 2013, 12:51 pm
I was actually going to start my own thread on this subject, however I would have started the thread off differently and asked what people's opinions were of the future longevity of the SR. Not what the OP has done and basically said it's going to get shut down.

Another poster on this thread mentioned the fact that the SR is about a lot more than just being able to buy your chosen vice off the net and have it delivered. The whole organization stands for a lot more than that, and gets very political. Something which is obvious and that I won't get into in this post. However, I wholeheartedly agree with that poster. It's not just about being able to buy and sell such items. It's an ideology on people's freedom and choice that has been put into practice, and stands up to current legislation. It's built on a platform that provides an outlet to people who may be oppressed or threatened by their government, and to those that wish for the need to voice their own opinion in safety and communicate with other that feel the same way.

Long live SR. DPR, you're doing a fantastic job.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Purple_Hue000 on August 21, 2013, 08:22 pm
Alright The Silk Road may not last forever, But the Idea and the Impact sure will!!
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: james23456 on August 21, 2013, 09:54 pm
I'm just wondering what all of the vendors will do if it goes down for good. Vendors where this is their only or main source of income! I don't believe for one minute that every vendor on here selling drugs has criminal connections to the underworld and can easily transfer their business to dealing 'IRL'.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: offbeatadam on August 22, 2013, 02:26 am
In any given network, the ability to shut it down depends on a few factors.

1) Whether or not the network has a central point at all
2) Whether or not the network has a central point, where the outlying is disconnected from others following the central being disconnected (all connections are 1:1 to the center and only the center)
3) Where in the event of a decentralized network, the community operates in physical proximity, whereby the network whilst decentralized, is centrally located.
4) Whether or not within the community, should at any point a central portion be eliminated, another is capable of springing up.

These are conditions that are considered not only when talking about logical networks involving devices, but those of humans as well. Hackers, as much as governments, deal with this problem when presented with the very question at hand.

If #1 or #2 are true, then the solution is simple. This is why the prison system puts gang leaders in special isolation with no outside contact.

If they are not, well, this is why al qaeda and the taliban are so hard to put down.

If #3 is true, then they'd have bombed us already and blamed it on someone else.

And, last but not least:

Since #4 is true, we will never die. We will never go away.

Beating my chest for the movement aside, lets examine some facts.

We are a mostly non-hostile, non-violent group that causes no harm except in the eyes of the Baby Boomer government.

We operate wholely on TOR, a CIA invention. TOR's use for the CIA is two fold: its existence gives terrorists (and CP and other fucktard criminals) the belief they are safe in the anonymous environment. Heavy use, masks the existence of the CIA, sitting there to catch those stupid criminals that they SHOULD be catching.

We are a core component to TOR's existence. We make it work. Our presence here, the more that visit us, only makes TOR a better system. We are not pablo escobar. We are not manuel noriega. We are not mounting an army and storming the whitehouse. We are not planning embassy bombs. We are getting high, and talking like idiots on a forum from our chairs. That is hardly a priority for the already slashed budget.

The DEA and the CIA do not like eachother. Fortunately, the CIA has been dealing drugs without the DEA's consent for the past 80 years. You are probably buying some of it right now, or have today. It's ok. You're helping your country. It's better than donating.

The DEA and the FBI on the other hand, were selling tagged guns to the cartels across the boarder, in person. They then lost those weapons. This is not a good indication of a well organized, successful effort against what should have been a SIMPLE undertaking. The NSA and the CIA have all the budgets now, and the DEA and the FBI are out getting caught with hookers, and they're still not out of the hot water over the whole guns thing.

But, of course, we have a conspiracy theory at every turn. Look, it costs a lot of money to organize a sting operation, especially one over a network that is basically anonymous. To do so, they'd have to go through a great effort to not only identify you, but to prove that identity, and then prove that acting upon that is of value after spending all that fucking money to do the first part. Don't forget, the second part costs money too. Then, they actually have to ACT upon that action that they've now approved. Which, after paying for the approval, and bribing a few other officials to make sure the approval doesn't get leaked, and then of course paying the press to not leak it either so we don't catch wind of it, they then have to actually pay the agents to go do it.

Yes, there are some people on here that probably would fit the receipt on that bill. They're in the CIA. Go back a few points, and circle back each time until you get the point.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: schizofreen on August 22, 2013, 02:53 am

We are a core component to TOR's existence. We make it work. Our presence here, the more that visit us, only makes TOR a better system. We are not pablo escobar. We are not manuel noriega. We are not mounting an army and storming the whitehouse. We are not planning embassy bombs. We are getting high, and talking like idiots on a forum from our chairs. That is hardly a priority for the already slashed budget.


lol +1

ontopic: i believe DPR is not fucking around like some CP molestor would distribute millions of movies. he really really makes an effort to defend the whole concept of BTC/TOR and its value for protection/anonymity seeing his latest interview talking about a whole new digital world with own laws, with these 2 things we can say fuck the government.

this guy is probably a millionaire already and got this site locked for ever. you can do ANYTHING with money.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Baraka on August 22, 2013, 08:31 am
+1

This is an absolutely amazing post!

SR is a symbol. An idea. What it represents can't be destroyed. No matter the money power, government power, or firepower that goes against a symbol or idea, you can't snuff out what's already in many minds. The symbol will grow and keep on growing until it replaces the diseased weeds that have been festering, poisoning and leeching off everyone for the past 100 years. It has to come to an end. And it will.

How many people who were otherwise politically-apathetic have woken up and become accidental Libertarians because of our beloved leader DPR? How many people have started questioning the nanny state and right to do as you please and wish so long as it doesn't harm others? How many people who gave up fighting for their rights years ago and were downtrodden are now taking things into their own hands and ordering what they want, when they want it?

DPR and the brave souls who've joined him in this fight against LE, the Feds and worldwide government are heros and he is leading a revolution that will be going and growing many years from now.

THIS (Silk Road) is just the start and the first few small but sturdy, confident steps on what is going to be a marathon.

It's about a lot more than being able to buy your drug of choice on the internet.

DPR is a man with a very intricate and well-thought out plan and isn't going anywhere.

Read a few books and open your eyes OP. (And I say that with love).
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Boobonicchronic on August 22, 2013, 09:03 am
Do you think that SR was the first of its kind? SR will die one day or evolve... This can't get any more simple!

RJ you are likely correct... No empire last forever, especially one the goes to wars with others. SR will eventually die, the writing is on the wall as they say. However, the idea has been uncorked and others will rise in it's place. The key, quite honestly, is the payment system. As long as bitcoin, bitcoin like, or improved anonymous payment systems stay viable and tor, or tor like networks remain, these markets will continue to flourish.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: james frazer on August 24, 2013, 05:21 am
The question is not how long SR will be around, but how long will it be before the major powers decide to wage a war on virtual currencies.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Miss Sexy Boots on August 24, 2013, 05:55 am
In any given network, the ability to shut it down depends on a few factors.

1) Whether or not the network has a central point at all
2) Whether or not the network has a central point, where the outlying is disconnected from others following the central being disconnected (all connections are 1:1 to the center and only the center)
3) Where in the event of a decentralized network, the community operates in physical proximity, whereby the network whilst decentralized, is centrally located.
4) Whether or not within the community, should at any point a central portion be eliminated, another is capable of springing up.

These are conditions that are considered not only when talking about logical networks involving devices, but those of humans as well. Hackers, as much as governments, deal with this problem when presented with the very question at hand.

If #1 or #2 are true, then the solution is simple. This is why the prison system puts gang leaders in special isolation with no outside contact.

If they are not, well, this is why al qaeda and the taliban are so hard to put down.

If #3 is true, then they'd have bombed us already and blamed it on someone else.

And, last but not least:

Since #4 is true, we will never die. We will never go away.

Beating my chest for the movement aside, lets examine some facts.

We are a mostly non-hostile, non-violent group that causes no harm except in the eyes of the Baby Boomer government.

We operate wholely on TOR, a CIA invention. TOR's use for the CIA is two fold: its existence gives terrorists (and CP and other fucktard criminals) the belief they are safe in the anonymous environment. Heavy use, masks the existence of the CIA, sitting there to catch those stupid criminals that they SHOULD be catching.

We are a core component to TOR's existence. We make it work. Our presence here, the more that visit us, only makes TOR a better system. We are not pablo escobar. We are not manuel noriega. We are not mounting an army and storming the whitehouse. We are not planning embassy bombs. We are getting high, and talking like idiots on a forum from our chairs. That is hardly a priority for the already slashed budget.

The DEA and the CIA do not like eachother. Fortunately, the CIA has been dealing drugs without the DEA's consent for the past 80 years. You are probably buying some of it right now, or have today. It's ok. You're helping your country. It's better than donating.

The DEA and the FBI on the other hand, were selling tagged guns to the cartels across the boarder, in person. They then lost those weapons. This is not a good indication of a well organized, successful effort against what should have been a SIMPLE undertaking. The NSA and the CIA have all the budgets now, and the DEA and the FBI are out getting caught with hookers, and they're still not out of the hot water over the whole guns thing.

But, of course, we have a conspiracy theory at every turn. Look, it costs a lot of money to organize a sting operation, especially one over a network that is basically anonymous. To do so, they'd have to go through a great effort to not only identify you, but to prove that identity, and then prove that acting upon that is of value after spending all that fucking money to do the first part. Don't forget, the second part costs money too. Then, they actually have to ACT upon that action that they've now approved. Which, after paying for the approval, and bribing a few other officials to make sure the approval doesn't get leaked, and then of course paying the press to not leak it either so we don't catch wind of it, they then have to actually pay the agents to go do it.

Yes, there are some people on here that probably would fit the receipt on that bill. They're in the CIA. Go back a few points, and circle back each time until you get the point.

Very nicely said :) +1 Do it again some time ;)
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: MagneticFreeze on August 25, 2013, 12:44 pm
If SR were to go down, another site would take it's place. TOR will eventually become super anonymous and even more secure over time. Either that or an even more secure dark web project will appear that will surpass TOR.

Think about it, someone will come up with a design so impenetrable so anonymous that not even the FBI will be able to break it. Secure connections to it through L2TP, public private keys, cryptography or some other security mechanism. The connection will of course need to lose the tracing characteristics of TCP/IP and completely mask its identity. Maybe cross spoofing, mixing the connections, mangling it with encryption then lose all capability to see where the connection was coming from. Total secure, encrypted connections, end to end with the ability to self check itself against attacks and monitor the security of the connection.

I believe that the dark web will ultimately prevail for complete privacy. The technology is here, it just requires working out and implementation.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: westb0xes on August 25, 2013, 01:23 pm
" Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer...."

Is what people already thought some years ago...


 :D
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Reason on August 25, 2013, 02:47 pm
The question is not how long SR will be around, but how long will it be before the major powers decide to wage a war on virtual currencies.

Yep...agreed, and also with the post from the chap in the know about networks.  It's the virtual currency that will be attacked, not SR directly.  They have too much to lose by losing Tor.  Will give you both some Karma (if I can figure out how).  :-)
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: james23456 on August 25, 2013, 07:23 pm
If SR and BTC go, there will be something to take their place. The system of SR has been in place for some time now. There's no way such a system will go for good.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: PissnNails on August 25, 2013, 11:02 pm
If they could have taken it down they would have already. Alternatively they are leaving it up to bust big dealers. In any case the clearnet is about to become the darkweb. Even the mainstream IETF dudes are pissed...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?425307-Internet-Engineering-Task-Force-to-Rebuild-Internet-With-Encryption-for-Everything
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Wazup7 on August 26, 2013, 12:22 am
I think part of what makes SR's continued existence feasible is the fact that it is continually being updated to utilize the latest security defenses and knowledge.  For a website whose sole purpose is anonymity and privacy protection, I believe that SR's system will always be in a state of advantage over it's attackers, and in the scenarios where SR is at a disadvantage against attackers, the disadvantage won't be large enough that SR's actual existence will be threatened. 

To add to the repetition--SR is based on an idea, and is the central self-promoting incarnation of that idea.  If my knowledge of human history is any indication, social progress such as this is an unstoppable force, and the only real threat to SR's continued existence is the threat posed by a superior, competing incarnation.  And that, too, is progress.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: ~o~WaterWalker~o~ on August 26, 2013, 01:03 am
I think part of what makes SR's continued existence feasible is the fact that it is continually being updated to utilize the latest security defenses and knowledge.  For a website whose sole purpose is anonymity and privacy protection, I believe that SR's system will always be in a state of advantage over it's attackers, and in the scenarios where SR is at a disadvantage against attackers, the disadvantage won't be large enough that SR's actual existence will be threatened. 

To add to the repetition--SR is based on an idea, and is the central self-promoting incarnation of that idea.  If my knowledge of human history is any indication, social progress such as this is an unstoppable force, and the only real threat to SR's continued existence is the threat posed by a superior, competing incarnation.  And that, too, is progress.

any plan / security fails at the weakest link..  so all the talk of BTC and TOR people take for granted the old forgotten USPS that flew under the NSA radar as meaningless and obsolete.   If you want to stay a step ahead, start pushing for new niche shipping companies..  lots of them and all taking btc and offering anonymous post boxes

Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: fuckingACE on August 26, 2013, 01:30 am
I hate these threads, No offense, but can´t we all just live in Bitcoin covered blissful ignorance?
ACE
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: eggfriedreece13 on August 26, 2013, 08:15 am
When you have SR on CHAT shows TELLING fuck you to law enforcement WE might start having problems so in my eyes all commets are JUST and this is what S/R threads are for to get across ALL the opinions of ALL users.  WE NEED TO KEEP INFORMED sellers and buyers.. think it might be time to start giving phone numbers out ha ha ha ha ha   back to the good old days   throw away phones and very very old nokias   im JOKING   STAY SAFE ALL OF YOU  8)

 http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/21b6929249 

THANKS EFR13   


Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: JohnTheBaptist on August 26, 2013, 10:03 pm
Yes, that's always been the focus of any investigation. Trace the money, and that's what they will attack, take away the currency and that's are achilles heel. I'm sure the powers that be here will come up with something to counter this .
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: SmokesHisBroccoli on August 26, 2013, 11:30 pm
Yes, that's always been the focus of any investigation. Trace the money, and that's what they will attack, take away the currency and that's are achilles heel. I'm sure the powers that be here will come up with something to counter this .

There was an interesting meeting today regarding bitcoin that involved the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, the FBI, IRS, Federal Reserve, FDIC, OCC, Homeland Security Department and Secret Service.  You can read about it here.  I used to think this thread was just fear mongering and a jinx and I steered clear.  But for some reason I just have a gut feeling we're in for some rocky times ahead.

http://www.politico.com/morningmoney/0813/morningmoney11519.html?hp=l6_b1
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: james frazer on August 27, 2013, 01:03 am
There was an interesting meeting today regarding bitcoin... I just have a gut feeling we're in for some rocky times ahead.

Thanks for that info. I don't think bitcoins are a major problem for them yet, but the US Government is clearly aware that it needs to take action before things get out of hand.

Control of national and international currency exchanges is a priority for governments of all the industrialised countries. I suspect some virtual currencies will be 'legitimised', and others will be declared illegal. This is unlikely to affect sites such as SR, at least in the short term, other than users no longer being able to buy their virtual currency through clearnet sites. However at some point in the future, perhaps during a lull in the international cyberwar, the go ahead will be given to military intelligence (or whoever) to "clean up" the Tor network, and we'll all have to hide for a while, or jump ship and meet up again in a different part of the internet. :)
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: SmokesHisBroccoli on August 27, 2013, 01:25 am
There was an interesting meeting today regarding bitcoin... I just have a gut feeling we're in for some rocky times ahead.

Thanks for that info. I don't think bitcoins are a major problem for them yet, but the US Government is clearly aware that it needs to take action before things get out of hand.

Control of national and international currency exchanges is a priority for governments of all the industrialised countries. I suspect some virtual currencies will be 'legitimised', and others will be declared illegal. This is unlikely to affect sites such as SR, at least in the short term, other than users no longer being able to buy their virtual currency through clearnet sites. However at some point in the future, perhaps during a lull in the international cyberwar, the go ahead will be given to military intelligence (or whoever) to "clean up" the Tor network, and we'll all have to hide for a while, or jump ship and meet up again in a different part of the internet. :)

Great post and I def. agree with your points.  Not sure if you've ever heard of theories like the New World Order (one world government) theory.  In the future it could be possible to have just one global currency with one government controlling it.  We already have a global economy which has emerged as countries have become more dependent on other countries and economies around the world.  It would be the ultimate in control and power.  It will be interesting to see how bitcoin plays into all this in the future.  When it becomes increasingly more difficult to convert fiat to bitcoin and bitcoin to fiat I'm just not sure how bitcoin will sustain itself as a viable currency. 
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: james frazer on August 27, 2013, 03:26 am
...Not sure if you've ever heard of theories like the New World Order (one world government) theory.

Yes, I've heard of it, but it's not something I think is likely to happen, not least because of the unexpected growth of the Chinese economy since George Bush Snr gave his "New World Order" speech in 1990. However I'm sure there are those who are trying to enact some version of it, and in the process are probably doing great harm.

...When it becomes increasingly more difficult to convert fiat to bitcoin and bitcoin to fiat I'm just not sure how bitcoin will sustain itself as a viable currency.

I don't know much about bitcoins, but they certainly serve a purpose, so perhaps they have a chance of surviving. Maybe the easiest way of causing the value of the bitcoin to crash would be to legalise drugs! Just a thought. :)
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: NorthernStar on August 27, 2013, 11:08 am
Yes, that's always been the focus of any investigation. Trace the money, and that's what they will attack, take away the currency and that's are achilles heel. I'm sure the powers that be here will come up with something to counter this .

There was an interesting meeting today regarding bitcoin that involved the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, the FBI, IRS, Federal Reserve, FDIC, OCC, Homeland Security Department and Secret Service.  You can read about it here.  I used to think this thread was just fear mongering and a jinx and I steered clear.  But for some reason I just have a gut feeling we're in for some rocky times ahead.

http://www.politico.com/morningmoney/0813/morningmoney11519.html?hp=l6_b1
I think the feds used to look at BTC like monopoly money, just a "made up currency" They seen it like if a monopoly dollar holds the value of .03 in physical value, then it was worthless, now they  have seen the value of BTC  rocket and they are rubbing their greedy hands together, and scheming all manner of things. To this end, they are  looking for an entry point to try and take a cut,  No chance, don't forget BTC is a peer to peer network. It isn't a company and doesn't conduct business,it doesn't have a website to shut down or any assets to seize ,nobody to arrest or charge. Moreover it hasn't any laws in any country, even if it had a country, which it doesn't. Look at the Liberty Reserve, they had them all nicked in no time, they are frustrated with BTC to say the least!
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: chluke on August 28, 2013, 02:09 am
I don't think it is in the interest of the law to shut down SR. They would rather fight than win.
If they did win the so called drug war, they would all be out of jobs. They rely on it for their bread and butter.
They and all the companies that support them.
Just keep it under some control, but not enough to shut it down completely.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: ShazMo on August 28, 2013, 03:26 am
My friend  RealJohnnyDepp. I totally disagree with your opinion.

First of all because your thought is showing pessimism. Negative thoughts should be avoided especially when it comes to matters that make us happy. Happy thoughts for things that makes us glad. Always.

Secondly I don't think that DPR is a kid who has managed to set up this market out of luck. SR has been attacked many times and it is still online. People who are working on its stability are not just same normal moderators. Don't forget that the greatest hackers work with the people and not with the system. Plus I am sure that DPR has a massive support from people who has abilities to help this market go for long.

And finally I want to quote a line from Guy Fawkes (V from Vendetta):
An Idea cannot be killed.

Take care my friend and stay positive!

Adamiz

I beleieve you are right with this...The same way todays DPR came along. He found a flaw and instead of ripping of SR he contacted the original DPR to patch it, in which trust was gained. I think some of the top hackers in the world may very well be involved in keeping SR afloat and one step ahead of the governments..

Honestly think about and imagine the support DPR is getting from people who want to fight for our rights and stand with the people. DPR would have a small army of hackers at the ready  ;D
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: shopper1888 on August 28, 2013, 07:26 am
Everytime I see the heading of this thead, I wonder why the fuck it is still alive - get to fuck!
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: BabyBananaGrabber on August 28, 2013, 08:04 am
As (many) others have already said, the genie's out of the bottle. SR may get shut down, but if it does, something will take its place. TOR may get compromised, but if it does, something will take its place. Bitcoin may vanish, but if it does...well, you get the idea. People have discovered the ease and safety of purchasing drugs in this format, and they're not going back. I know I'm not ever going to buy drugs in a face-to-face transaction again. Well, maybe if somebody was selling molly for 25 cents per gram or something, but absent that, hell no. SR may end one day, but what it does--and what it means--won't.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: ~o~WaterWalker~o~ on August 28, 2013, 11:57 am
As (many) others have already said, the genie's out of the bottle. SR may get shut down, but if it does, something will take its place. TOR may get compromised, but if it does, something will take its place. Bitcoin may vanish, but if it does...well, you get the idea. People have discovered the ease and safety of purchasing drugs in this format, and they're not going back. I know I'm not ever going to buy drugs in a face-to-face transaction again. Well, maybe if somebody was selling molly for 25 cents per gram or something, but absent that, hell no. SR may end one day, but what it does--and what it means--won't.

but what of the post office?  if that gets the NWO treatment like every other inch of society has, then something else has to take its place.   Perhaps lots of little franchised couriers but that might not be so anonymous...places opening up anonymous drop boxes?? they would get raided for sure..  this is something to ponder now, while we enjoy the fruits of one of the last areas of privacy
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: virmo_vendor on September 01, 2013, 03:36 am
Why not?

Nothing special here. If it;s not here its somewhere else.


I want to bet that a well known US or CHINESE figure is high in SR.


This provides some insight in which drugs come from where and what is used most. Government always played a role in it.

I wish SR would start producing nuclear weapons so this could all finally end.

Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: brasky on September 01, 2013, 08:17 pm
lol at OP. A 2 month old user declaring the end is here! Grow up kid. You clearly dont understand the internet and how it works. SR may go down but another will rise from the ashes.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: virmo_vendor on September 02, 2013, 12:08 am
SR will stay for quite some time.

And buying illegal stuff from the net was possible for quite some years now. It will never stop. LE and "criminals" will be cat and mouse probably for forever.
The closer LE gets to the mouse, the more intelligent the mouse becomes.

Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Mistersovereign on September 02, 2013, 01:24 am
Innovation is an ongoing cycle. You can't stop that which can't be stopped. Once people put in their minds as a whole what they want, they WILL get it!
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: PK on September 02, 2013, 04:35 am
SR will stay for quite some time.

And buying illegal stuff from the net was possible for quite some years now. It will never stop. LE and "criminals" will be cat and mouse probably for forever.
The closer LE gets to the mouse, the more intelligent the mouse becomes.

This guy right here is trying to quote that movie "Now You See Me," aren't you?

But for real though, well said by a few earlier in the thread. This is a full time job for some people, to try and stop these types of business ventures, and honestly, I am inclined to believe that they actually want it to stay open. I think they're more worried about drug cartels anyway. Let's be real, how can you be violent over the road? Now if someone is missing a payment in a cartel, say goodbye to a few limbs or a few lives.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: InbetweenWaves on September 02, 2013, 05:56 am
With everything happening lately, I think sooner then later, shit is going 2 hit the fan and all of our Journeys throughout the Road will eventually come 2 a halting end unfortunately. DPR has done an excellent job, but I don't think this will last much longer.


It's sad for me 2 say this, but I personally believe eventually shit will start getting even more serious and the FED/GOVERNMENT at the end of the day will have it's way and will win the fight over DPR and SR. No matter how much protection/security measures you are taking, the FEDS/GOVERNMENT will most likely prevail, in my opinion.

I sincerely hope and pray that none of you fine SR Buyers and Vendors don't end up eventually getting locked up and having your life's ruined over this shit.

For myself, there's always the lingering thought that this place can't exist but it does. I always enjoy the mail checking days.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: MasterKief on September 02, 2013, 07:08 am
Gonna be brutally honest here. I dont think feds will ever win the "war on drugs" or the war against silkroad. My reason? Our community is too damn smart. We're also far less limited than the feds. The cryptoanarchy/silkroad community isn't bound by the same rules and regulations that federal agencies are. If one door closes another one opens. If they make a move on our community, we respond with appropriate action. I don't think federales will ever have a "game winning" move on us. They're just not on our level...(this isn't to say that they aren't watching us or anything because im sure they are)
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: toke 100 on September 02, 2013, 09:01 pm
could not log on for 2 days .got a bit worried really thought it was the end :'(
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: spunjtom on September 03, 2013, 02:23 pm
it's scary when you have so much issue logging in.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Tessellated on September 03, 2013, 05:05 pm
listen guys, i wasn't trying to be a dick....

Then I do not want around when you do try to be a dick.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: hojo on September 03, 2013, 11:10 pm
Maybe you didn't try to be a dick but you succeeded. We do not need to create widespread panic and fear off nothing other than gossip you yourself claim to have been sourced from random forum discussions. I am sticking with my positive thinking that this place will stay around for years and years to come since it has already. Ha Ha LE you can suck it along with Chuck Schumer. Develop strong relationships with certain vendors that one day even if the road goes down can still be worked with outside of S.R. if no other solution is available. In the meantime enjoy the road and keep the concerns to factual information, not "i heard this on the internet so it must be true". Everything written on the internet is not actually true. How do I know this you might ask? I read it on the internet.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Reez on September 03, 2013, 11:14 pm
But ideas are bullet proof...
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: MachineElves on September 22, 2013, 12:27 pm
Does anyone remember Napster of WinMX???

Ther ran for ages.....and eventually were closed down.

What happened? A million alternatives appear.

Torrents and the blocks on them? - always a way around it and its still going strong.

Basically there is strong Market for SR and should the the site be compromised in some way (I all of you only store coins in your SR wallet for  the minimum length of time), I am MORE than certain that a replacement would appear almost immediately and I could nearly guarantee it would be done by the group of people behind SR, i.e commonly known as DPR.

This thread is a doom and gloom bringer and should be dropped - Sorry, but we have no time for factless opinions.

Namaste.

MACHINE ELVES

Namaste.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: gn0ssos on September 23, 2013, 03:10 pm
Why not?

Nothing special here. If it;s not here its somewhere else.


I want to bet that a well known US or CHINESE figure is high in SR.


This provides some insight in which drugs come from where and what is used most. Government always played a role in it.

I wish SR would start producing nuclear weapons so this could all finally end.

lol... wut? Nuclear weapons? I see where you're going with the government's involvement. Let's be realistic: No multi-billion dollar drug market goes unsanctioned in some way by the powers that be. If the government wasn't allowing it in some way, getting something out of it, it would surely fail. HOWEVER I have no idea where you're going with the nuclear weapons thing.... ?
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: gn0ssos on September 23, 2013, 03:14 pm
Gonna be brutally honest here. I dont think feds will ever win the "war on drugs" or the war against silkroad. My reason? Our community is too damn smart. We're also far less limited than the feds. The cryptoanarchy/silkroad community isn't bound by the same rules and regulations that federal agencies are. If one door closes another one opens. If they make a move on our community, we respond with appropriate action. I don't think federales will ever have a "game winning" move on us. They're just not on our level...(this isn't to say that they aren't watching us or anything because im sure they are)

Love your Bassnectar avatar, however I have to disagree with you. As mentioned, I'm of the opinion that SR would not work if governments worldwide were not allowing it in some ways. As much as we want to think they are, the feds aren't dumb. They know what's up. Why would they not want in on a piece of the obscenely lucrative pie that is the drug market?
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Shithead on September 24, 2013, 03:43 pm
FUD!!! if u believe hard enough Nada damn thing will happen. keep calm and have faith that smarter people will keep this establishment above water.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: morrisen on September 25, 2013, 12:52 am
I think there are too many mafias and cartels around to fight against.
They can rob a lot more money if they deal with these organizations.

And money is the only thing that matters to them!

Objectively SR is too small to intensively to deal with it.
When they get one bust with the mexicans, they can "steal" much more $ and drugs (to sell), then SR-buyers spend in a year.

That´s why I keep calm when it comes to the closure of this market.

But you never know...
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Christy Nugs on September 25, 2013, 01:55 am
With everything happening lately, I think sooner then later, shit is going 2 hit the fan and all of our Journeys throughout the Road will eventually come 2 a halting end unfortunately. DPR has done an excellent job, but I don't think this will last much longer.


It's sad for me 2 say this, but I personally believe eventually shit will start getting even more serious and the FED/GOVERNMENT at the end of the day will have it's way and will win the fight over DPR and SR. No matter how much protection/security measures you are taking, the FEDS/GOVERNMENT will most likely prevail, in my opinion.

I sincerely hope and pray that none of you fine SR Buyers and Vendors don't end up eventually getting locked up and having your life's ruined over this shit.

Always with the negative waves, Moriarty ... Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?  :P

ima here till the tires fall off - mine got the 100k guarantee - yours?
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: FollowIcculus on September 25, 2013, 05:09 am
I don't mean to be pessimistic but I sometimes think the same thing.  What worries me is that I feel like the average intelligence/experience of SR users gets lower and lower every day.  I mean it seems like when I started sure there were Newbies but they still knew a bit about computers and drugs and nowadays you have some real idiots wandering around.  Maybe its that there are just too many kids around recently.  I realize this post probably sounds super douchey but its true.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: ~o~WaterWalker~o~ on September 25, 2013, 04:40 pm
I don't mean to be pessimistic but I sometimes think the same thing.  What worries me is that I feel like the average intelligence/experience of SR users gets lower and lower every day.  I mean it seems like when I started sure there were Newbies but they still knew a bit about computers and drugs and nowadays you have some real idiots wandering around.  Maybe its that there are just too many kids around recently.  I realize this post probably sounds super douchey but its true.

That's true with anything that goes from cottage industry towards mainstream.  Even if the majority isn't way dumber than the early adopters, they don't care to put a lot of time in in order to 'be a part' of it.

New vendors will have it the hardest since they get lumped into a larger new vendor pool and look sketchy by association. New buyers might get cut off a little more from senior vendors but nothing major in that direction   
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: FollowIcculus on September 25, 2013, 04:54 pm
I don't mean to be pessimistic but I sometimes think the same thing.  What worries me is that I feel like the average intelligence/experience of SR users gets lower and lower every day.  I mean it seems like when I started sure there were Newbies but they still knew a bit about computers and drugs and nowadays you have some real idiots wandering around.  Maybe its that there are just too many kids around recently.  I realize this post probably sounds super douchey but its true.

That's true with anything that goes from cottage industry towards mainstream.  Even if the majority isn't way dumber than the early adopters, they don't care to put a lot of time in in order to 'be a part' of it.

New vendors will have it the hardest since they get lumped into a larger new vendor pool and look sketchy by association. New buyers might get cut off a little more from senior vendors but nothing major in that direction
Although you know...with all this "low hanging fruit" around maybe those SR users who do it right will actually be less likely to get caught  Like the expression for bear attacks "You don't have to be able to out run the bear, you just have to be able to out run the slowest person in your group."
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Cornelius23 on September 25, 2013, 06:13 pm
I don't mean to be pessimistic but I sometimes think the same thing.  What worries me is that I feel like the average intelligence/experience of SR users gets lower and lower every day.  I mean it seems like when I started sure there were Newbies but they still knew a bit about computers and drugs and nowadays you have some real idiots wandering around.  Maybe its that there are just too many kids around recently.  I realize this post probably sounds super douchey but its true.
That's true with anything that goes from cottage industry towards mainstream.  Even if the majority isn't way dumber than the early adopters, they don't care to put a lot of time in in order to 'be a part' of it.
New vendors will have it the hardest since they get lumped into a larger new vendor pool and look sketchy by association. New buyers might get cut off a little more from senior vendors but nothing major in that direction
Although you know...with all this "low hanging fruit" around maybe those SR users who do it right will actually be less likely to get caught  Like the expression for bear attacks "You don't have to be able to out run the bear, you just have to be able to out run the slowest person in your group."
These are other reasons that I'd like to see other markets flourish to some degree – to prevent SR from becoming too large and ungainly while providing lower hanging fruit for the bear snacks.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: echo_ on September 25, 2013, 06:40 pm
I don't mean to be pessimistic but I sometimes think the same thing.  What worries me is that I feel like the average intelligence/experience of SR users gets lower and lower every day.  I mean it seems like when I started sure there were Newbies but they still knew a bit about computers and drugs and nowadays you have some real idiots wandering around.  Maybe its that there are just too many kids around recently.  I realize this post probably sounds super douchey but its true.
That's true with anything that goes from cottage industry towards mainstream.  Even if the majority isn't way dumber than the early adopters, they don't care to put a lot of time in in order to 'be a part' of it.
New vendors will have it the hardest since they get lumped into a larger new vendor pool and look sketchy by association. New buyers might get cut off a little more from senior vendors but nothing major in that direction
Although you know...with all this "low hanging fruit" around maybe those SR users who do it right will actually be less likely to get caught  Like the expression for bear attacks "You don't have to be able to out run the bear, you just have to be able to out run the slowest person in your group."
These are other reasons that I'd like to see other markets flourish to some degree – to prevent SR from becoming too large and ungainly while providing lower hanging fruit for the bear snacks.
This is a horrible way to think. The reason we want to see more markets flourish is so that free trade can expand—and people can learn to live in peace with one another through cooperative action rather than stealing, scarcity and fear.

SR decreases the scarcity of some of our most precious earthy goods. It is the administrator's responsibility to develop himself to the level as to make an impenetrable cryptofortress... and to constantly, obsessively interact with and protect the system from threats, for his life, and the lives of many others. And it is the people's responsibility to secure themselves, as this is also necessary to keep the whole system running.

We have to realize that we can subvert scarcity, by creativity. Do not clutch to the one thing you have... seek to create more.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: metacontxt on September 25, 2013, 06:41 pm
'Although you know...with all this "low hanging fruit" around maybe those SR users who do it right will actually be less likely to get caught  Like the expression for bear attacks "You don't have to be able to out run the bear, you just have to be able to out run the slowest person in your group."'

Neat, but what if you're the only one? We shouldn't underestimate the bear. But ultimately, this is an excellent metaphor. LE are the bear. They hunt their prey effectively based on the formidable resources they have at their disposal. But we are the humans, and long before SR came into play, we've been several steps ahead of them. They will never win their 'War On Drugs'.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Cornelius23 on September 25, 2013, 07:13 pm
These are other reasons that I'd like to see other markets flourish to some degree – to prevent SR from becoming too large and ungainly while providing lower hanging fruit for the bear snacks.
This is a horrible way to think. The reason we want to see more markets flourish is so that free trade can expand—and people can learn to live in peace with one another through cooperative action rather than stealing, scarcity and fear.
I think that's another good reason, alongside others such as the benefits of healthy competition (as I wrote in the Atlantis thread).
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Demacia on September 26, 2013, 06:27 pm
I don't mean to be pessimistic but I sometimes think the same thing.  What worries me is that I feel like the average intelligence/experience of SR users gets lower and lower every day.  I mean it seems like when I started sure there were Newbies but they still knew a bit about computers and drugs and nowadays you have some real idiots wandering around.  Maybe its that there are just too many kids around recently.  I realize this post probably sounds super douchey but its true.

It's like the early days of the internet. Geeks mostly, then your average person started using it.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Crusherhead on September 27, 2013, 03:47 pm
I think that we all must love these shitheads, because if somebody may be caught, they must be first.  ;)

I've read somewhere on this forum that about 90% of ALL ORDERS ARE NOT ENCRYPTED !!!

This people easily write their addresses to the message window and send the order ?!?

I was totally fucked after reading it....
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Floor87 on September 28, 2013, 05:01 am
I think that we all must love these shitheads, because if somebody may be caught, they must be first.  ;)

I've read somewhere on this forum that about 90% of ALL ORDERS ARE NOT ENCRYPTED !!!

This people easily write their addresses to the message window and send the order ?!?

I was totally fucked after reading it....

Hate to say but this puts a smile on my face.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: garry63 on September 28, 2013, 04:40 pm
Naturally as time passes chances for SR being raided get higher.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: MachineElves on September 28, 2013, 05:03 pm
It will NEVER go, ideas are stronger than any government or army..........it will simply EVOLVE. 8)

Namaste.

MACHINE ELVES

(Purveyors of POTENT N,N DMT - link below)
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: FollowIcculus on October 01, 2013, 12:00 pm
Do you guys really think that 90% of orders are made with an unencrypted address?  To me that is absurd.  I refuse to buy from a vendor who doesn't use PGP.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: THUMBSuP. on October 01, 2013, 12:05 pm
Do you guys really think that 90% of orders are made with an unencrypted address?  To me that is absurd.  I refuse to buy from a vendor who doesn't use PGP.

lol?
you'd be surprised, honestly,
how many people send their drop over unencrypted..
seriously, surprised.
and at least 50% of them know pgp and can use it well...
so, wtf?? lol.. ikr.



people..






AND GTFO GAREN.

/thumbs
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: FollowIcculus on October 01, 2013, 12:41 pm
Who is Garen?
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: foxen624 on October 01, 2013, 03:17 pm
Hey...  I truly think it's a beautiful thing when people can express their opinion, regardless of what it is...    only thing is that the opinion expressed in the title of this thread is so depressing...   wish I didn't see it popping up every day....   just my opinion...   but at least as of now...  it's all still good on the road  ;D
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: ilovethecolour on October 01, 2013, 03:54 pm
In any given network, the ability to shut it down depends on a few factors.

1) Whether or not the network has a central point at all
2) Whether or not the network has a central point, where the outlying is disconnected from others following the central being disconnected (all connections are 1:1 to the center and only the center)
3) Where in the event of a decentralized network, the community operates in physical proximity, whereby the network whilst decentralized, is centrally located.
4) Whether or not within the community, should at any point a central portion be eliminated, another is capable of springing up.

These are conditions that are considered not only when talking about logical networks involving devices, but those of humans as well. Hackers, as much as governments, deal with this problem when presented with the very question at hand.

If #1 or #2 are true, then the solution is simple. This is why the prison system puts gang leaders in special isolation with no outside contact.

If they are not, well, this is why al qaeda and the taliban are so hard to put down.

If #3 is true, then they'd have bombed us already and blamed it on someone else.

And, last but not least:

Since #4 is true, we will never die. We will never go away.

Beating my chest for the movement aside, lets examine some facts.

We are a mostly non-hostile, non-violent group that causes no harm except in the eyes of the Baby Boomer government.

We operate wholely on TOR, a CIA invention. TOR's use for the CIA is two fold: its existence gives terrorists (and CP and other fucktard criminals) the belief they are safe in the anonymous environment. Heavy use, masks the existence of the CIA, sitting there to catch those stupid criminals that they SHOULD be catching.

We are a core component to TOR's existence. We make it work. Our presence here, the more that visit us, only makes TOR a better system. We are not pablo escobar. We are not manuel noriega. We are not mounting an army and storming the whitehouse. We are not planning embassy bombs. We are getting high, and talking like idiots on a forum from our chairs. That is hardly a priority for the already slashed budget.

The DEA and the CIA do not like eachother. Fortunately, the CIA has been dealing drugs without the DEA's consent for the past 80 years. You are probably buying some of it right now, or have today. It's ok. You're helping your country. It's better than donating.

The DEA and the FBI on the other hand, were selling tagged guns to the cartels across the boarder, in person. They then lost those weapons. This is not a good indication of a well organized, successful effort against what should have been a SIMPLE undertaking. The NSA and the CIA have all the budgets now, and the DEA and the FBI are out getting caught with hookers, and they're still not out of the hot water over the whole guns thing.

But, of course, we have a conspiracy theory at every turn. Look, it costs a lot of money to organize a sting operation, especially one over a network that is basically anonymous. To do so, they'd have to go through a great effort to not only identify you, but to prove that identity, and then prove that acting upon that is of value after spending all that fucking money to do the first part. Don't forget, the second part costs money too. Then, they actually have to ACT upon that action that they've now approved. Which, after paying for the approval, and bribing a few other officials to make sure the approval doesn't get leaked, and then of course paying the press to not leak it either so we don't catch wind of it, they then have to actually pay the agents to go do it.

Yes, there are some people on here that probably would fit the receipt on that bill. They're in the CIA. Go back a few points, and circle back each time until you get the point.

+1
A lot of people dont know that the CIA are big drug dealers, good to see people putting out the word
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: kennypowders on October 01, 2013, 07:41 pm
The only thing I got from the above statement is that DPR is a member of the CIA
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: sourman on October 02, 2013, 06:27 pm
Well, this thread ended up being strangely prophetic.

I'm glad I had the opportunity to chat with many of you. This place was the most fun I've had on the internet since the 90s! Hopefully we can keep up the good fight so that this boring as shit, superficial world continues to have a vibrant underground where we can all go to be ourselves.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: livestr0ng on October 03, 2013, 12:23 am
Well, egg on my face...
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: Sir William Wonka on October 03, 2013, 12:30 am
Well, this thread ended up being strangely prophetic.

I'm glad I had the opportunity to chat with many of you. This place was the most fun I've had on the internet since the 90s! Hopefully we can keep up the good fight so that this boring as shit, superficial world continues to have a vibrant underground where we can all go to be ourselves.

It rekindled the feeling of discovery.  Adios amigos.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: mito on October 03, 2013, 12:43 am
We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: hellwillbetoasty on October 03, 2013, 12:45 am
all the people telling OP that hes a 'pig propaganda spouting faggot'

i wish they were right...i sure do
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: james frazer on October 03, 2013, 02:13 am
all the people telling OP that hes a 'pig propaganda spouting faggot'...

I was a little surprised both by the number of people expressing certainty that SR was going to be around for a long time (up to and including 'forever'), and also by the vehemence of the abuse directed towards the OP. Perhaps some of the posters are/were out of touch with the real world, whilst others had a vested interest in shouting down anyone warning that SR did not have a charmed life. However a more likely explanation lies in the tribal nature of most forums, their dominant absurdities, and the castigation of those who refrain from venerating them.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: gn0ssos on October 03, 2013, 03:34 pm
I was one of those telling OP he was wrong. I just can't believe it happened so quickly. It almost seems like they would have just infiltrated it and let business go one as usual so it would be easier for them to make their arrests and raids. For them to post on the site that it's been seized gave everyone ample time to bury/throw out their shit or flee. Kinda crazy.. hmm.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: railroadbill on October 03, 2013, 03:47 pm
what are you all talking about SR will be around for....ohhhhhhhh
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: klemmo on October 03, 2013, 03:50 pm
Well, egg on my face...

I've always loved your posts, and +1 for coming back here to say that
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: livestr0ng on October 03, 2013, 07:02 pm
Well, egg on my face...

I've always loved your posts, and +1 for coming back here to say that
Aww thanks. I'm glad somebody appreciates me haha. See government is trying to rip us apart but this is evidence that we're too strong and smart for that. I really do hope these forums stay up though. There's information here that simply can't be found anywhere else. We made history on these forums.
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: james frazer on October 04, 2013, 04:11 am
...It almost seems like they would have just infiltrated it and let business go one as usual...

I think US LE's main priority was to close SR down as soon as possible and catch the person(s) running it. The amount of drugs sold on SR was miniscule compared to the total drugs traffic, but it was growing fast and international trading links were being formed. Furthermore the increased publicity over the last threee moths had given SR 'celebrity' status, and its existence was becoming a political  embarrassment.

LE does not have the resources to go after all the SR vendors, or rather it is unlikely to withdraw resources away from more serious ongoing drug trading operations (mafia / cartels / biker gangs etc) in order to go after thousands of single vendors, most of whom are selling to end-users and whose activities have temporarily been restricted. There will obviously be some vendors they are interested in more than others, but the amount of work involved and the costs of bringing charges with no certainty of conviction makes the possibility of mass arrests unlikely.

Obviously LE will keep all the info they have gathered, and in their own time go through it, file it, cross-ref it, and pass it on to others where appropriate. However my feeling is that the FBI have ticked this job off as done, and are just tidying up the loose ends. Whether local LE act upon info received will be up to them of course, but it looks like the only arrests so far have been of vendors who provided return addresses, and in the case of PlutoPete the UK cops seem to be clutching at straws.

Nevertheless, I'm assuming that I'm wrong about this, and that all the suggested security precautions being recommended in other threads should be done as soon as possible :)
Title: Re: I don't believe SR will be around for much longer....
Post by: foxen624 on October 05, 2013, 12:09 pm
To the OP:  I have a serious question for you.... I am wonderinig if you will give an honest answer.

Are you just a regular person who hung out here and taking in consideration the majority of humankind (not just the roaders), are not really so far off in your thinking that "alll good things must come to an end" - especially being that there was illegal stuff being sold on the road and that SR was becoming more and more well known on the clearnet... did you make this thread because that is just how you as a regular person really felt?

OR...  are you one of the undercover LE's who apparently have been hanging out here for quite some time, but who just might have a small bit of conscious and morality left in you and were in the best way you could...  trying to warn us?

That was a sincere question...   will you give a sincere reply?

Thank You....