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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: junjo on September 14, 2013, 10:32 am
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I was looking through the top cocaine listings on here the other day, and they are truly sad. Literally about 50% of the stuff I came across has "UNCUT" explicitly at some point in the description. By uncut, you are telling me that you are selling 100% pure cocaine powder (maybe 95% from extraction impurities) which is absolute nonsense. From the second it is extracted in South America, unless you have the most amazing connection with a local farmer there, or you are making this shit from coca leaves themselves, the cocaine WILL BE cut at some point by the cartels. Are the majority of coke buyers here really that deluded?
And even for the listings, that don't claim uncut, there are obscene purities listed (90-98%, which never happens), "fishscale" nonsense as a claim for quality (levamisole can contribute to the "fish-scale" appearence), and also various buzzwords like "hi-heat" and "acetone washed" which really don't accomplish anything.
Props to the vendors who are taking the "not gonna lie, our stuff is cut" approach, because that not only takes integrity, but could actually be a detriment to your sales given the ignorance of some buyers here.
If someone has tested their coke with HPLC, NMR etc. and gotten 90%+ purity for the coke they've obtained here, by all means show me, and I will be purchasing from that vendor ASAP. But for now I shall remain completely skeptical, and not waste my hard earned money on $130/g livestock dewormer.
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You didn't really expect truth in advertising on SR did you? I don't think the outrageous purity claims will stop anytime soon because they appear to be effective at moving product. Having said that, the testing thread did have some samples that came in over 80% which is really good. Unfortunately, vendors are only as good as their latest batch and consistent quality in the coke trade seems to be rare.
It's really a testament to cocaine that it has remained so popular, when most of what's sold to users has been cut to shit with all kinds of garbage for decades.
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You didn't really expect truth in advertising on SR did you? I don't think the outrageous purity claims will stop anytime soon because they appear to be effective at moving product. Having said that, the testing thread did have some samples that came in over 80% which is really good. Unfortunately, vendors are only as good as their latest batch and consistent quality in the coke trade seems to be rare.
It's really a testament to cocaine that it has remained so popular, when most of what's sold to users has been cut to shit with all kinds of garbage for decades.
link to the testing thread?
I'd like to see the methodology behind it.
As an chemist (as in chemistry major, not a wannabe drug manufacturer) myself, I'm always skeptical when i see purity data.
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Its a sales tactic used by everyone, cant really control it
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link to the testing thread?
I'd like to see the methodology behind it.
As an chemist (as in chemistry major, not a wannabe drug manufacturer) myself, I'm always skeptical when i see purity data.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=108950.0
Take it for what it's worth. Plenty of controversy in the thread, as you would expect.
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link to the testing thread?
I'd like to see the methodology behind it.
As an chemist (as in chemistry major, not a wannabe drug manufacturer) myself, I'm always skeptical when i see purity data.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=108950.0
Take it for what it's worth. Plenty of controversy in the thread, as you would expect.
No wonder why it's controversial, this guy has no proof or accountability for anything.
"I will only post the lab test results. There is no lab documentation available for the cocaine that has been tested."
He can literally pull whatever numbers he wants out his ass. What a load of nonsense.
He never even mentions the type of test performed. HPLC? NMR? GC/MS?
He just keeps on repeating "Lab tests", "Lab tests", "Lab tests".
What kind of tests?
Wow this is a serious joke.
I hope people don't believe this.
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link to the testing thread?
I'd like to see the methodology behind it.
As an chemist (as in chemistry major, not a wannabe drug manufacturer) myself, I'm always skeptical when i see purity data.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=108950.0
Take it for what it's worth. Plenty of controversy in the thread, as you would expect.
No wonder why it's controversial, this guy has no proof or accountability for anything.
"I will only post the lab test results. There is no lab documentation available for the cocaine that has been tested."
He can literally pull whatever numbers he wants out his ass. What a load of nonsense.
He never even mentions the type of test performed. HPLC? NMR? GC/MS?
He just keeps on repeating "Lab tests", "Lab tests", "Lab tests".
What kind of tests?
Wow this is a serious joke.
I hope people don't believe this.
As I said, take it for what it's worth. Plenty of other folks have made the same point as you. I agree that it would have been better if the lab report had been published, but, even then, they could have been forged. Again, we're on SR here. I actually do think PL was sending in samples to the labs as he said, but that's just my opinion. Most of the sample results were terrible and consistent with every other published data I've seen on this subject. Only a handful came in as over 80% with no active cuts.
I wish there were similar lab services in the US. ecstasydata.org will test samples for content but is not allowed to publish percentages. As a "real" chemist, perhaps you know of other options.
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Sadly, there aren't any options unless you know a really shady research prof or someone with unlimited access to one of these machines.
I work in a lab at my university, but I highly doubt I'd just be able to bring in bags of cocaine and test it in the GC/MS. They'd start getting suspicious at some point.
Buying one yourself costs more than a new car, so that's not an option either.
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At the same time the MDMA vendors all stop posting that their product is 84% lol
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At the same time the MDMA vendors all stop posting that their product is 84% lol
Yeah I was actually gonna say something about that too but didn't understand the context enough. Where did the magic "84%" value come from? Kinda an odd number to advertise as the standard for high quality MDMA...
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Oh wow, just found out for the first time that people say 84% pure because it's sold as MDMA HCl and the HCl accounts for 16% of it's mass.
This is so wrong lmao.
Your final product goal is always MDMA HCl, you don't sell the freebase.
Your MDMA HCl is 100% pure, not 84%.
It's like saying that ketamine or cocaine have a maximum purity of X because they're also HCl salts, nobody ever says that!!!!
Drug dealer chemistry sure is funny sometimes.
Sigh....
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Sadly, there aren't any options unless you know a really shady research prof or someone with unlimited access to one of these machines.
I work in a lab at my university, but I highly doubt I'd just be able to bring in bags of cocaine and test it in the GC/MS. They'd start getting suspicious at some point.
Buying one yourself costs more than a new car, so that's not an option either.
Except for Dutch sellers and belgian sellers that buy there stuff in holland.
They truelly have no excuses for false purity claims if they are professional and not just your average streetcorner dealer.
Their is a facility for testing available to them.
Purity claims always need to be taken with a grain of salt as most dealers unfortunately copy the real world marketing models (a.k.a. fraudulent advertizing business).
Like in the real world,famous brand often sell crap or stuff sub par when you compare to storebrand equivalents that are cheaper.
In the amphetamine section same thing happens.
Especially paste sellers.
And that's why the top 4 mentioned in the speed review thread are praised for their outstanding quality.
I buy from others too.Mostly those that don't exaggerate product quality,they are often the most honest vendors too.
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Oh wow, just found out for the first time that people say 84% pure because it's sold as MDMA HCl and the HCl accounts for 16% of it's mass.
This is so wrong lmao.
Your final product goal is always MDMA HCl, you don't sell the freebase.
Your MDMA HCl is 100% pure, not 84%.
Thank you.
It's like saying that ketamine or cocaine have a maximum purity of X because they're also HCl salts, nobody ever says that!!!!
Unfortunately here, that's what the consensus did (guess you're saying it's changed now? I haven't looked at coke ads in a long time, they used to all stay under 89%)... Under the claim that the Dutch do it at their illicit drug testing facilities. More specifically The Drug Information and Monitoring System (DIMS) through the University of Amsterdam in the Netherlands: http://dare.uva.nl/document/355506 Reading through the report you'll see only evidence of the opposite though.
I went on a rant back in Feb about this... then I abandoned the attempt to educate, since nobody cared or I wasn't telling people what they wanted to hear:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=27925.msg845794#msg845794
Sadly, there aren't any options unless you know a really shady research prof or someone with unlimited access to one of these machines.
Forensics labs. Just use a BS story about the substance being unknown... I even found a few that take money order and send the results via email. I just posted an instructional reply for someone:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=210392.msg1535254#msg1535254
Glad to know one more hard science guy is around... seems to be only like a handful here.
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Oh wow, just found out for the first time that people say 84% pure because it's sold as MDMA HCl and the HCl accounts for 16% of it's mass.
This is so wrong lmao.
Your final product goal is always MDMA HCl, you don't sell the freebase.
Your MDMA HCl is 100% pure, not 84%.
Thank you.
It's like saying that ketamine or cocaine have a maximum purity of X because they're also HCl salts, nobody ever says that!!!!
Unfortunately here, that's what the consensus did (guess you're saying it's changed now? I haven't looked at coke ads in a long time, they used to all stay under 89%)... Under the claim that the Dutch do it at their illicit drug testing facilities. More specifically The Drug Information and Monitoring System (DIMS) through the University of Amsterdam in the Netherlands: http://dare.uva.nl/document/355506 Reading through the report you'll see only evidence of the opposite though.
I went on a rant back in Feb about this... then I abandoned the attempt to educate, since nobody cared or I wasn't telling people what they wanted to hear:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=27925.msg845794#msg845794
Sadly, there aren't any options unless you know a really shady research prof or someone with unlimited access to one of these machines.
Forensics labs. Just use a BS story about the substance being unknown... I even found a few that take money order and send the results via email. I just posted an instructional reply for someone:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=210392.msg1535254#msg1535254
Glad to know one more hard science guy is around... seems to be only like a handful here.
You sound like a pretty smart guy Yoda, I wouldn't let it get to your head.
The sheer amount of hivemind here and blatant perpetuation of misinformation really pisses me off, but hey, whaddya expect. Some drug users/dealers are responsible, intelligent, and kind individuals while others are the stereotypical scum of the earth. I'll take all the negative karma I get as a compliment, because it just shows that the scum are too clueless to talk science with me, and instead resort to admonishing me with the click of a button, lowering an arbitrary score that I never really cared about in the first place.
And it's interesting to hear about the forensic labs option. I'll have to investigate that more. Thanks for the info.
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Oh wow, just found out for the first time that people say 84% pure because it's sold as MDMA HCl and the HCl accounts for 16% of it's mass.
This is so wrong lmao.
Your final product goal is always MDMA HCl, you don't sell the freebase.
Your MDMA HCl is 100% pure, not 84%.
Thank you.
It's like saying that ketamine or cocaine have a maximum purity of X because they're also HCl salts, nobody ever says that!!!!
Unfortunately here, that's what the consensus did (guess you're saying it's changed now? I haven't looked at coke ads in a long time, they used to all stay under 89%)... Under the claim that the Dutch do it at their illicit drug testing facilities. More specifically The Drug Information and Monitoring System (DIMS) through the University of Amsterdam in the Netherlands: http://dare.uva.nl/document/355506 Reading through the report you'll see only evidence of the opposite though.
I went on a rant back in Feb about this... then I abandoned the attempt to educate, since nobody cared or I wasn't telling people what they wanted to hear:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=27925.msg845794#msg845794
Sadly, there aren't any options unless you know a really shady research prof or someone with unlimited access to one of these machines.
Forensics labs. Just use a BS story about the substance being unknown... I even found a few that take money order and send the results via email. I just posted an instructional reply for someone:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=210392.msg1535254#msg1535254
Glad to know one more hard science guy is around... seems to be only like a handful here.
Karma'd you by the way lol. Not like it matters for posters like us, but hey, it could give us more leverage whenever we post a controversial opinion that breaks the (un)-scientific consensus here. Also because you seem like a bro. Keep it up.
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I was looking through the top cocaine listings on here the other day, and they are truly sad. Literally about 50% of the stuff I came across has "UNCUT" explicitly at some point in the description. By uncut, you are telling me that you are selling 100% pure cocaine powder (maybe 95% from extraction impurities) which is absolute nonsense. From the second it is extracted in South America, unless you have the most amazing connection with a local farmer there, or you are making this shit from coca leaves themselves, the cocaine WILL BE cut at some point by the cartels. Are the majority of coke buyers here really that deluded?
And even for the listings, that don't claim uncut, there are obscene purities listed (90-98%, which never happens), "fishscale" nonsense as a claim for quality (levamisole can contribute to the "fish-scale" appearence), and also various buzzwords like "hi-heat" and "acetone washed" which really don't accomplish anything.
Props to the vendors who are taking the "not gonna lie, our stuff is cut" approach, because that not only takes integrity, but could actually be a detriment to your sales given the ignorance of some buyers here.
If someone has tested their coke with HPLC, NMR etc. and gotten 90%+ purity for the coke they've obtained here, by all means show me, and I will be purchasing from that vendor ASAP. But for now I shall remain completely skeptical, and not waste my hard earned money on $130/g livestock dewormer.
Hey, I agree. I like coke, but I'm afraid of getting it laced.
Quite honestly (and obviously) I have not studied organic in quite sometime, so I'll ask you if this is even feasible: Could the person freebase the cocaine in water, evaporate the water, and check a small portion of the drug for melt temperature? Would a significant deviation from its normal freebase melting point be indicative of adulteration? I'm quite sure no one here has access to GC/MS, but I want to ask before you know...I forget alcohols in excess oxygen with a spark is highly exothermic ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Karma'd you by the way lol. Not like it matters for posters like us, but hey, it could give us more leverage whenever we post a controversial opinion that breaks the (un)-scientific consensus here. Also because you seem like a bro. Keep it up.
Thanks man. Hit ya back... should've gave it up front, yet it didn't occur to me since I was so exited reading the logic in your post. :)
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Hey, I agree. I like coke, but I'm afraid of getting it laced.
Quite honestly (and obviously) I have not studied organic in quite sometime, so I'll ask you if this is even feasible: Could the person freebase the cocaine in water, evaporate the water, and check a small portion of the drug for melt temperature? Would a significant deviation from its normal freebase melting point be indicative of adulteration? I'm quite sure no one here has access to GC/MS, but I want to ask before you know...I forget alcohols in excess oxygen with a spark is highly exothermic ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
If you evaporate the water that you just did your base conversion in, depending on the base used, other things will be left besides just the free-base, right? Why not just decant and/or filter it?
The problem is though, basification as a method of purification will not eliminate all your adulterants... levamisole and others will base out along with the coke.
Melting temps for crystalline solids will start lower and melt over a broader range if impure... yet finish melting at the proper range. Without a proper lab apparatus, how do you plan on preforming this melting test accurately at home anyhow?... this could make all the difference.
If you want to spend a couple hundred, you can send a sample to a lab... read my posts prior to this in the thread for a link.
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Its easy t get coke lab tested. Easy and not expensive, depending on the nation and your connections of course ;)
I can get coke lab tested - the machine that tests is somne specialised piece of gadgetry, plus there are lots of new reagent tests out there for differing cuts coming out. In 5 yrs the average citizen will be able to test coke with as much accuracy as the current top of the line testing equipment. Not the airport machines - they are good but can misread - anything found there is further analysed. A better machine tests it.
So, even this last few weeks, I've tested a few cokes out, mainly UK vendors, some Germans and the inevitable American because American gets a LOT of pretty pure coke shifted there! Tons a day a railed. Tons a day need to be smuggled to all states and every last little hick town.
But on SR, a vendor is only as good as the current batch!
I've bought maybe 5 grams off different UK vendors and found one to be so bad it had to be flushed. The vendor advised me to eiother go through resolution (vendors know customers with good stats hate stats being hit) or take 40% payment back - his profit apparently. So, I took the 40% which ended up like 28 quid. The gram was almost 110 UK pounds. Vendor needs a calculator. (there is one on every computer)
So - be VERY wary of UK vendors - EZ testing the coke might mean you have to go through resolution which is a pain in the ass. Your stats will be hit - but the vendors will also as I'm going to 1/5 whoever sent me the phenacetine cut coke. They asked me leave 5/5 for the 40%, I agreed, but given they advertised 'pure uncut' coke, I have no qualms about confessing my side of the story.
Two sides of course, but I have the EZ test photo - and EZ test photos of other UK and American vendors.
So, treat ALL claims of uncut coke with a pinch of salt.
EZ test it all. Wash it if you can. Bear in mind some active cuts cannot be easily washed out. A/B extraction may do but I just enjoy the odd toot, I don't want to wear rubber gloves and be a scientist just to get high!!
Dr Cols coke EZ tested fine
Meerkova also, plus I think that was the best UK so far.
Lloyds, depends on the batch. My last one was fine, but a mates buy was not as good. EZ tested ok but was maybe 70% ish.
Others? Waiting to see.