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Title: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: Express Connect on June 26, 2013, 08:07 pm
Hey everyone,

We were wondering what the majority view on color classifications is. Tan obviously has the greatest range. We have seen (on SR) stuff from dark drown to a beige. Under white we see either pure white or a very light tan. So our question for everyone is wheres the line?

Our product is very light, i think a light cream is the best way to describe it. When its in a 50g pile it looks more tan but when its split up into smaller doses its just about white. So where is it acceptable to classify it?

Thanks for the feedback,
--Express Connect
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: Festivalia on June 26, 2013, 09:29 pm
Hey everyone,

We were wondering what the majority view on color classifications is. Tan obviously has the greatest range. We have seen (on SR) stuff from dark drown to a beige. Under white we see either pure white or a very light tan. So our question for everyone is wheres the line?

Our product is very light, i think a light cream is the best way to describe it. When its in a 50g pile it looks more tan but when its split up into smaller doses its just about white. So where is it acceptable to classify it?

Thanks for the feedback,
--Express Connect

Imo, the category should be "Brown" and "White"  ...

If your MDMA was made from either Shulgin II, or Merck method. List it under "White" ... If Shulgin I, list it under "Tan" ...
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: gtgeorgz on June 26, 2013, 11:37 pm
Hey everyone,

We were wondering what the majority view on color classifications is. Tan obviously has the greatest range. We have seen (on SR) stuff from dark drown to a beige. Under white we see either pure white or a very light tan. So our question for everyone is wheres the line?

Our product is very light, i think a light cream is the best way to describe it. When its in a 50g pile it looks more tan but when its split up into smaller doses its just about white. So where is it acceptable to classify it?

Thanks for the feedback,
--Express Connect

Imo, the category should be "Brown" and "White"  ...

If your MDMA was made from either Shulgin II, or Merck method. List it under "White" ... If Shulgin I, list it under "Tan" ...

Hey man, sorry if this is a completely nooby question but what yields the highest or 'best' quality MDMA from Shulgin I, II or Merck? Or doesn't it make a deference?
I assume one method is using Safrole and the other PMK, but I'm not sure if that makes a difference to the quality or high you get from the product? :-/
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: Festivalia on June 27, 2013, 02:35 am
Hey everyone,

We were wondering what the majority view on color classifications is. Tan obviously has the greatest range. We have seen (on SR) stuff from dark drown to a beige. Under white we see either pure white or a very light tan. So our question for everyone is wheres the line?

Our product is very light, i think a light cream is the best way to describe it. When its in a 50g pile it looks more tan but when its split up into smaller doses its just about white. So where is it acceptable to classify it?

Thanks for the feedback,
--Express Connect

Imo, the category should be "Brown" and "White"  ...

If your MDMA was made from either Shulgin II, or Merck method. List it under "White" ... If Shulgin I, list it under "Tan" ...

Hey man, sorry if this is a completely nooby question but what yields the highest or 'best' quality MDMA from Shulgin I, II or Merck? Or doesn't it make a deference?
I assume one method is using Safrole and the other PMK, but I'm not sure if that makes a difference to the quality or high you get from the product? :-/

The only method that uses Safrole is Merck. Both Shulgin methods use IsoSafrole.



Obviously there's a lot more to it than I am willing to explain here, but the best possible MDMA yields versus other salts comes from the Shulgin Method II.

"Brown Sand" is also known as the Shulgin Method I: (commonly synthesized in and sold out of Canada and Germany)

Refluxing Formic acid + N-methylformamide(NMF) and Piperonylmethylketone(PMK Oil) yields N-formyl-MDMA.
If then this is refluxed in concentrated hydrochloric acid and it is later made basic with sodium hydroxide, it yields crude MDMA.
The crude MDMA is finally extracted into diethyl ether, dissolved, and treated with hydrogen gas to produce a gelatinous brown precipitate of impure MDMA-hydrochloride.
The crude salt can then be dissolved in boiling methanol, and then added to chilled acetone to form a crystalline product.
Recrystallization yields fawn crystals(80%-82% MDMA) with a melting point of 147—148°C

"PMK White" is also known as the Shulgin Method II (Pretty much only comes from NL, and Belgium unless people are reselling):

Formamide + PMK refluxed at 190°C. The solution is made basic and extracted with diethyl ether.
The ethereal solution is then washed with dilute sulphuric acid, rinsed with water and finally dried over anhydrous sodium sulphate.
You would then reduce the diethyl ether to yield a clear yellow solution of N-formyl-MDA.
It is then added to diluted Lithium-Aluminium-Hydride(LAH) and further refluxed.
The excess LAH is decomposed by the addition of water and the resulting mixture should be filtered and the precipitate washed with diethyl ether.
The washings and the filtrate are then combined and extracted with dilute sulphuric acid.
The aqueous solution is then made alkaline with dilute sodium hydroxide and extracted with diethyl ether.
The solvent will evaporate to leave an amber oil of crude MDMA. (100% pure MDMA Freebase)
Base down in hydrochloric acid - Recrystallization yields crystals(84% MDMA) with a melting point of 149—150°C

Merck Method:

Involves the formation of MDPBP(from safrole) followed by reaction with methylamine. It produces White MDMA, but also produced MDPV analogues commonly known as "bath salts" ... Unless precautions and extra steps are taken, it is often that the crystalline product produced is riddled with contaminants and other active amphetamine salts.
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: ecstasydude on June 27, 2013, 02:52 am
Hey everyone,

We were wondering what the majority view on color classifications is. Tan obviously has the greatest range. We have seen (on SR) stuff from dark drown to a beige. Under white we see either pure white or a very light tan. So our question for everyone is wheres the line?

Our product is very light, i think a light cream is the best way to describe it. When its in a 50g pile it looks more tan but when its split up into smaller doses its just about white. So where is it acceptable to classify it?

Thanks for the feedback,
--Express Connect

Clear, Foggy, White, Tan, Brown, Silver, and Purple.

Yes Tan color is most popular.

Some how the big rocks always look like shitty colors and un-pure.
Then you crush em, and it always goes to bright white.

I just clear/foggy for first time in my life.
Was very clean, pure, strong, and neon white when crushed.
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: Festivalia on June 27, 2013, 03:00 am
Hey everyone,

We were wondering what the majority view on color classifications is. Tan obviously has the greatest range. We have seen (on SR) stuff from dark drown to a beige. Under white we see either pure white or a very light tan. So our question for everyone is wheres the line?

Our product is very light, i think a light cream is the best way to describe it. When its in a 50g pile it looks more tan but when its split up into smaller doses its just about white. So where is it acceptable to classify it?

Thanks for the feedback,
--Express Connect

Clear, Foggy, White, Tan, Brown, Silver, and Purple.

Yes Tan color is most popular.

Some how the big rocks always look like shitty colors and un-pure.
Then you crush em, and it always goes to bright white.

I just clear/foggy for first time in my life.
Was very clean, pure, strong, and neon white when crushed.

In my experience, the purple, silver, grey colored batches are often The Merck recipe.

The Merck stuff is typically grey-white with a lot of color variation.
Shulgin I is Brown, and when it's washed, it's yellowy-tan with some, to very-little color variation.
Shulgin II Off-white/Cream colored, with almost no color variation at all.
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: preacherman444 on June 27, 2013, 05:52 am
Wow, super interesting thread. Thanks for the info Festivalia (and others).
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: DealerOfDrugs on June 27, 2013, 07:06 am
Ever wash 50g of MDMA at once?

Ever let the acetone dry up and discover that  whats left over is a nasty honey like sludge that smells really strange?

Next question, and most important, will it get me high?
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: gtgeorgz on June 27, 2013, 11:16 am
Thank you festivalia for that insight, very usual :) +1
I'm guessing the Merck synth is quite rare nowadays?
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: Festivalia on June 27, 2013, 12:02 pm
Thank you festivalia for that insight, very usual :) +1
I'm guessing the Merck synth is quite rare nowadays?

The patent has been up for some time... and believe it or not, most of the 'legal' or 'loophole' bath-salts being sold are analogues/amphetamine salts made from MDPBP/MDPV, which is the Merck precursor for MDMA. It's a shame these drugs are marketed as "Mdma-like" and then make people run around naked, eating peoples faces like they just smoked a mega-load of PCP, and ate a half a sheet of acid.

I would imagine this is where most of the Safrole goes these days... Shulgin II is the best method, and the only way to acquire pure MDMA Hcl..
This is why many people seek PMK from China, etc.

There's been an ongoing argument about the percentages of MDMA, and how they are listed or advertised here. It's quite a silly argument, because both sides are usually right to a degree, but seem to argue solely about the phrasing, or wording of said listings. For example, Canadian, and German vendors may list "97% Pure MDMA Hcl", which would mean that 3% of the total salts are other active, or possibly inert salts. Impurities. If someone says "97% Pure MDMA Hcl", their salts should be about 81.48% MDMA, 15.52% Hcl, and 3% Impurities. Brown Sand MDMA.

On the contrary, the Dutch go right to the total percentage of active MDMA; typically 84%(16% hcl). And for some silly reason, people cannot compute why. They're not saying it's 84% MDMA Hcl, they are saying its 84% MDMA. If you achieve this number, it came from 100% pure MDMA Freebase from Shulgin Method II, then based in Hydrochloric Acid.

There's no such thing as 85-100% pure MDMA, in Salt form. If advertized as such(to compete with the 84% MDMA listings), it's a fib.
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: gtgeorgz on June 27, 2013, 01:19 pm
I see. So the MDMA to go for is that of which comes from NL or Belgium orgins and is white/grey/off white in colour?
I'm guessing the MDMA sold here in my country (UK), is made in and then shipped from mostly NL anyway?
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: s1llyn355 on June 27, 2013, 10:27 pm
Hey everyone,

We were wondering what the majority view on color classifications is. Tan obviously has the greatest range. We have seen (on SR) stuff from dark drown to a beige. Under white we see either pure white or a very light tan. So our question for everyone is wheres the line?

Our product is very light, i think a light cream is the best way to describe it. When its in a 50g pile it looks more tan but when its split up into smaller doses its just about white. So where is it acceptable to classify it?

Thanks for the feedback,
--Express Connect

your product ships with MBB ?
What does MBB stand for ?
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: s1llyn355 on June 27, 2013, 10:30 pm
Hey everyone,

We were wondering what the majority view on color classifications is. Tan obviously has the greatest range. We have seen (on SR) stuff from dark drown to a beige. Under white we see either pure white or a very light tan. So our question for everyone is wheres the line?

Our product is very light, i think a light cream is the best way to describe it. When its in a 50g pile it looks more tan but when its split up into smaller doses its just about white. So where is it acceptable to classify it?

Thanks for the feedback,
--Express Connect

Imo, the category should be "Brown" and "White"  ...

If your MDMA was made from either Shulgin II, or Merck method. List it under "White" ... If Shulgin I, list it under "Tan" ...

Hey man, sorry if this is a completely nooby question but what yields the highest or 'best' quality MDMA from Shulgin I, II or Merck? Or doesn't it make a deference?
I assume one method is using Safrole and the other PMK, but I'm not sure if that makes a difference to the quality or high you get from the product? :-/

The only method that uses Safrole is Merck. Both Shulgin methods use IsoSafrole.



Obviously there's a lot more to it than I am willing to explain here, but the best possible MDMA yields versus other salts comes from the Shulgin Method II.

"Brown Sand" is also known as the Shulgin Method I: (commonly synthesized in and sold out of Canada and Germany)

Refluxing Formic acid + N-methylformamide(NMF) and Piperonylmethylketone(PMK Oil) yields N-formyl-MDMA.
If then this is refluxed in concentrated hydrochloric acid and it is later made basic with sodium hydroxide, it yields crude MDMA.
The crude MDMA is finally extracted into diethyl ether, dissolved, and treated with hydrogen gas to produce a gelatinous brown precipitate of impure MDMA-hydrochloride.
The crude salt can then be dissolved in boiling methanol, and then added to chilled acetone to form a crystalline product.
Recrystallization yields fawn crystals(80%-82% MDMA) with a melting point of 147—148°C

"PMK White" is also known as the Shulgin Method II (Pretty much only comes from NL, and Belgium unless people are reselling):

Formamide + PMK refluxed at 190°C. The solution is made basic and extracted with diethyl ether.
The ethereal solution is then washed with dilute sulphuric acid, rinsed with water and finally dried over anhydrous sodium sulphate.
You would then reduce the diethyl ether to yield a clear yellow solution of N-formyl-MDA.
It is then added to diluted Lithium-Aluminium-Hydride(LAH) and further refluxed.
The excess LAH is decomposed by the addition of water and the resulting mixture should be filtered and the precipitate washed with diethyl ether.
The washings and the filtrate are then combined and extracted with dilute sulphuric acid.
The aqueous solution is then made alkaline with dilute sodium hydroxide and extracted with diethyl ether.
The solvent will evaporate to leave an amber oil of crude MDMA. (100% pure MDMA Freebase)
Base down in hydrochloric acid - Recrystallization yields crystals(84% MDMA) with a melting point of 149—150°C

Merck Method:

Involves the formation of MDPBP(from safrole) followed by reaction with methylamine. It produces White MDMA, but also produced MDPV analogues commonly known as "bath salts" ... Unless precautions and extra steps are taken, it is often that the crystalline product produced is riddled with contaminants and other active amphetamine salts.

good post :-) +1
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 28, 2013, 04:27 am
your product ships with MBB ?
What does MBB stand for ?

Moisture Barrier Bag
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: Festivalia on June 28, 2013, 07:42 am
I see. So the MDMA to go for is that of which comes from NL or Belgium orgins and is white/grey/off white in colour?
I'm guessing the MDMA sold here in my country (UK), is made in and then shipped from mostly NL anyway?

Actually, the stuff in the UK tends to be Merck method from my experiences, and from what I've been told by UK buyers. :P

It's not like it's a bad time; it's not like you're NOT going to roll. And it even feels very 'clean' compared to the stepped-on pressies of back in the day.
 ... but once you try PMK White, pure MDMA Hcl... all others seem dirty, tbh. You notice the Sass, MDA, Methylone, Methamphetamine, MDPV, etc. -in those "impure" Hcl MDMA Salts.

It's just like with weed, once you've smoked Hindu/Old World Paki, Lemon Thai, and Chemdawg... you start to be able to pick those individual flavors out within the smoke of True OG Kush. :P
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: gtgeorgz on June 28, 2013, 10:25 am
I see. So the MDMA to go for is that of which comes from NL or Belgium orgins and is white/grey/off white in colour?
I'm guessing the MDMA sold here in my country (UK), is made in and then shipped from mostly NL anyway?

Actually, the stuff in the UK tends to be Merck method from my experiences, and from what I've been told by UK buyers. :P

It's not like it's a bad time; it's not like you're NOT going to roll. And it even feels very 'clean' compared to the stepped-on pressies of back in the day.
 ... but once you try PMK White, pure MDMA Hcl... all others seem dirty, tbh. You notice the Sass, MDA, Methylone, Methamphetamine, MDPV, etc. -in those "impure" Hcl MDMA Salts.

It's just like with weed, once you've smoked Hindu/Old World Paki, Lemon Thai, and Chemdawg... you start to be able to pick those individual flavors out within the smoke of True OG Kush. :P

Ah fairenough, so the all important question... who has the best MDMA you've tried on SR? :P
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: Festivalia on June 29, 2013, 07:15 am
Vendors who carry true PMK White(pure):

Old Amsterdam(Bulk, NL).

New America(Bulk, USA -resourced from Old A)
Clearance(Bulk, USA -resourced from Old A)
Atlantic Exchange(Small Amounts, USA -resourced from Old A)

:)
Title: Re: MDMA color class: white or Tan
Post by: entreterra on July 16, 2013, 04:50 pm
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