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Title: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: livermore23 on August 27, 2012, 08:21 am
Hi! I would love if somebody could custom build those things.


http://mods-n-hacks.wonderhowto.com/how-to/make-infrared-mask-hide-your-face-from-cameras-201280/

and here the IR diodes


http://www.vishay.com/ir-emitting-diodes/


Who is able to do this?

I am sure there is a big market on SR in the future.
I would like to become wholeseller and finance people who are able to build those cool things.

clearly it should be fitted in an baseball cap or something like that.

Peace.
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Delta11 on August 27, 2012, 09:12 am
That would be cool but I don't really see the point unless you're just completely paranoid. Wouldn't a baseball cap, some shades, a wig, and a fake mustache be better? lol
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Bungee54 on August 27, 2012, 09:48 am
That would be cool but I don't really see the point unless you're just completely paranoid. Wouldn't a baseball cap, some shades, a wig, and a fake mustache be better? lol

we really like this idea and would order some too.

You are right ..thats friggin paranoid BUT far easier than playing make-up artist everytime :)  many things can go wrong

we think that is a pretty good precaution..these tapes are nearly never looked at besides that somebody got raped in front of the atm or a pistol to his head and made to withdraw money.

But they are surely saved somewhere..in retrospect this could help a lot..but okay if somebody found out ur vending and which debit cards it went (anonymous debit cards) ur already in the focus of saurons eye..
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: ralph123 on August 28, 2012, 12:30 am
I looked at the link and I can do this I guarentee I can make these so what kind of details are we talking about here. From that video doesnt it look like you could make one yourself? I need a vendors account but yea I can make those pretty easy. I could do it in a hard hat, baseball cap, or a king kong gorrilla mask
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: No FE ever on August 28, 2012, 01:34 am
put me down for 5 king kongs
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Bungee54 on August 28, 2012, 01:57 am
we want 5 baseball caps !

what would your estimated price be?  will they be tested?  is the OP correct and they will work in front of atm?

cheers!
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: PlutoPete on August 28, 2012, 09:28 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOH9XhsP3iI
They definitely work :)
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: MDDude on August 28, 2012, 10:10 am
that is easy to build wish i had an sr seller account and starting materials
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: wpahacker on August 28, 2012, 10:24 am
Seems to me like a 5mw green laser beam would be enough to fry a puny atm camera's sensors on a sustained, direct hit.    If you had partner during the atm visits, this would be even easier, though I'm starting to see how a passive system would be useful.
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Bungee54 on August 28, 2012, 03:53 pm
Seems to me like a 5mw green laser beam would be enough to fry a puny atm camera's sensors on a sustained, direct hit.    If you had partner during the atm visits, this would be even easier, though I'm starting to see how a passive system would be useful.

We are afraid an active System could trigger "anti-tamper-systems" on the atm . Passive is much better also other random cams will also be neutralized.


that is easy to build wish i had an sr seller account and starting materials


Please tell us minimums , materials needed , time etc. maybe we will fund you or either work together and split the proceeds.

Many possiblities here..

We wish SR would create a subforum for Project requests & Bountys !

SO many great minds here ...it would flourish..als RFID tag etctect ..so many ideas  8)
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: rokkitt on August 28, 2012, 04:06 pm
Simple:

IR LED, resistor, battery.

V=IR

The math isn't hard to figure out how to pair the three up...high school physics at the most.
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: UKMJ on August 28, 2012, 04:25 pm
This project is old news and would not work/be effective.

Off to find a source for that.
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: ralph123 on August 28, 2012, 07:06 pm
I would definately test and make sure it's working right before trying to send it to you but yea it's pretty much high school electronics. I took electronics in high school and took computer repair and networking in tech school and got my cert in 2009. I am looking into this seriously
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Shroomeister on August 28, 2012, 07:52 pm
Hi! we would love if somebody could custom build those things !


http://mods-n-hacks.wonderhowto.com/how-to/make-infrared-mask-hide-your-face-from-cameras-201280/

and here the IR diodes


http://www.vishay.com/ir-emitting-diodes/


Who is able to do this?

I am sure there is a big market on SR in the future.
I would like to become wholeseller and finance people who are able to build those cool things.

clearly it should be fitted in an baseball cap or something like that.

Peace.


I have a degree and professional experience in and with electronics. I could create this project for you rather easily. What kind of a hat do you want. Do you wear hats already? link me to some choice type of hats (as I dont wear any.)
 
 I would also create this in a much more stealth manner then your original video.
 
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: MDDude on August 28, 2012, 09:13 pm
we want 5 baseball caps !

what would your estimated price be?  will they be tested?  is the OP correct and they will work in front of atm?

cheers!


i will send you soon an pm with material,price and and skizze of it....then we can discuss an deal alright?
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Bungee54 on August 29, 2012, 03:32 am
U GUYS ROCK!

We would love to finance the development and the first 100 caps for sale and make a profit from it for us and the developer.

Then we think it should be "open-sourced" or price lowered to just make up for the materials and man-hours.

But we need a trusted member for verification..and then hopefully the DEV can send them out and we only forward the orders as we cannot provide an receiving address without compromising our location. Maybe we can find mules for that. But we regard this as very very risky :)

Order forwarding should be enough anyway as long as the DEV/producer is reliable..

any estimates how many can be produced per working hour?

we would like baseball caps and those scots caps....hats probably arent worn very often ..


Cheers!
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: livermore23 on August 29, 2012, 03:38 am
very cool there are so many answers to my post..

thank you all. it looks like this will really be done.

Thx
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Bungee54 on September 05, 2012, 02:13 pm
very cool there are so many answers to my post..

thank you all. it looks like this will really be done.

Thx

Any updates here? 
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Shroomeister on September 05, 2012, 10:06 pm
no one has ever contacted me about it.......
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: tsr23423149 on October 23, 2012, 05:37 pm
I can build these for you, but I would rather you not get ripped off for no reason. It is true that most CCD CMOS cameras are susceptible to being blinded by infrared light, but you can easily put an IR filter over the camera aperture. Then these lights won't do anything. However, if you wanted to make of these you could easily hook up two lithium batteries to each other in parallel, and then connect those to a series of IR LEDs. Probably 2x 3.7V litihium camera batteries to 4 ultra-bright IR LEDs. Add a low-rating resistor in the series, tape it all under the hat, tape the LEDs at the front of the hat (or velcro). Lots of wasted money when they take pics with an IR filter. If you're still willing to pay for this, I'll build them for 2BTC each on top of the cost of materials and shipping. You choose shipping. Price for LEDs is prob around 1USD for all 4, the batteries are prob 2USD each, the resistors are 0.2USD each, and the wiring and solder and tape and velcro are practically cheap as fuck, throw in an extra 1USD. 3BTC shipped, I bet. If anyone is willing to fund making these I'll be glad to put them together.
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Shroomeister on October 24, 2012, 02:44 am
this is old..it never went anywhere.

I was prepared to make a few just to list them, but ended up using my time on other projects....
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Bungee54 on October 24, 2012, 04:55 pm
damn :(  is there a way to find out if cameras have an IR filter?

Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Shroomeister on October 24, 2012, 06:54 pm
damn :(  is there a way to find out if cameras have an IR filter?

MOST do not. ATM, general security etc do not. Now bank vault security or casino security...better chance they may.

There is no way to tell by loooking at the cam as far as Iam aware.
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: valtrex on October 24, 2012, 08:31 pm
Perhaps we can take some IR LED's and attach them to our license plates to deter cameras? Maybe even high speed cameras?
Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Shroomeister on October 24, 2012, 09:06 pm
I do not know too much about the cams, but I would venture to say that this will not work. In order to "blind" a cam with IR, it has to be pretty much a straight on shine in the lens.

Anything less could just illuminate the thing you are trying to obfuscate.
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: valtrex on October 25, 2012, 05:35 am
After doing a bit of research and a google search it seems that many people are on the fence about blinding speed camera's with LED's due to factors such as IR filters and inability to test. I hope to one day line 10-20 high powered LED's around the license plate frame and ask the toll to bill me to my plates... No promises though.
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Draco Red on October 25, 2012, 06:08 am
damn :(  is there a way to find out if cameras have an IR filter?

MOST do not. ATM, general security etc do not. Now bank vault security or casino security...better chance they may.

There is no way to tell by loooking at the cam as far as Iam aware.

The reason that most don't is for better low light picture quality.  Any time that they're expected to operate in less then full daylight type lighting they will not have an IR filter, and this includes most point-and-shoot digital and cell phone cams.  Just another reason they it might be handy.  If / when I get a seller account I'll whip some up and list them.
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: PhilipJFry on October 31, 2012, 09:58 pm
damn :(  is there a way to find out if cameras have an IR filter?

MOST do not. ATM, general security etc do not. Now bank vault security or casino security...better chance they may.

There is no way to tell by loooking at the cam as far as Iam aware.

Most digital cameras do have an IR filter, even the cheapest chinese cmos webcams. If the cameras didn't have an IR filter the colour rendition would look quite unnatural / unreal. As Draco Red pointed out the ATM cameras might be a special case because they have to operate under low light conditions.
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Draco Red on November 01, 2012, 08:22 pm
damn :(  is there a way to find out if cameras have an IR filter?

MOST do not. ATM, general security etc do not. Now bank vault security or casino security...better chance they may.

There is no way to tell by loooking at the cam as far as Iam aware.

Most digital cameras do have an IR filter, even the cheapest chinese cmos webcams. If the cameras didn't have an IR filter the colour rendition would look quite unnatural / unreal. As Draco Red pointed out the ATM cameras might be a special case because they have to operate under low light conditions.

In my experience (which is admittedly quite limited), I've found that the cheap CMOS webcams are more likely to have an IR filter on them then most other cameras.  I'll often check to see if a remote control is working by looking at it with the camera on my cell phone; this works with my point and shoot digital as well.  I would guess that part of the automatic adjusting of color for different lighting conditions would also compensate for bias of the added red from near infrared.
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Shroomeister on November 02, 2012, 02:47 am
Truth is I would have already built some of these if I thought there was a "real" market for them, and by real market I mean one guy that commits to buying one.

however, while useful I do not think that any sort of market exists.

There was a person on here looking for StopLoks. He was serious. I went and procured a couple of them. no one other then this one person has expressed any interest in them since. So im happy to be able to meet the need for this one person with a device that could very easily prove priceless (if you have ever tried to replace one in the states you know...) meanwhile no one else seems to care. Nevertheless this is no problem for me.

However if the time and resources were committed to making one of these hats...and then it collected dust, I'd be upset about it. :/
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: badxxx on November 02, 2012, 11:50 am
Building these Caps is not a big deal.
But you can use this: (CLEARNET) http://www.mask-shop.com/gesichtsmasken-c-66.html
If you use both, you will be save :)

I'm just thinking about producing these hats :D
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Draco Red on November 02, 2012, 05:51 pm
Building these Caps is not a big deal.
But you can use this: (CLEARNET) http://www.mask-shop.com/gesichtsmasken-c-66.html
If you use both, you will be save :)

I'm just thinking about producing these hats :D

Personally, I've always preferred these  ;)
(CLEARNET) http://www.amazon.com/Accoutrements-12027-Horse-Head-Mask/dp/B003G4IM4S/
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: 1100101 on November 02, 2012, 07:39 pm
just signing, need to follow this
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: DreDri on November 04, 2012, 07:04 am
Anything less could just illuminate the thing you are trying to obfuscate.

Exactly. I only skimmed the thread but that's the concept I was hoping someone would bring up. You couldn't have it under the visor - your only chance would be to project it towards the cameras, very close to your face. Lens flare. I'd tend to agree that most security cameras do not have an IR filter for reasons that I haven't been paid to explain haha..

I actually have a patent filed for something that achieves the same goal, but not with infrared. It's a combination of technologies that I'd be happy to share, but I'm not going to be the manufacturing arm.

If you guys are serious we can discuss my background and options depending on technical capabilities, finances, material acquisition.. etc.

But I do have an additional patent for infrared technology that would serve you much better. We can talk about if that would serve you.. I've met with some VC's who like the idea but they want to know that it has caught on from a uh... socially acceptable point of view. I'll explain should we speak further. I'm na about to read all these posts but PM me or one of the guys that seems to have their shit together haha

Let's get a solid means of consistent communication ie. PGP group emails. I just got excited. Leh go!
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Bungee54 on November 06, 2012, 04:45 pm
Yeah let us do this ! Sounds pretty good ! please guys lets get in contact-...we know shit but we have monies :)
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Shroomeister on November 06, 2012, 07:16 pm
I have been contacted by a serious buyer and have begun to procure parts to build one.
 
 Will post updates as we go
 
 
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: kooper271 on November 06, 2012, 11:01 pm
I've started to get parts for one of these as well. Seems easy enough.
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Shroomeister on November 07, 2012, 04:58 am
I've started to get parts for one of these as well. Seems easy enough.

Sounds good. Want to compare when done?

Could be fun.
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: DreDri on November 07, 2012, 01:44 pm
Watch. We'll have 200 damn hats and then the OP will be like wait, you guys, we clarified this. These are useless. Hahah
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Shroomeister on November 08, 2012, 04:32 am
The OP is not my buyer (at least I do not think)

There is a bit more to making these (at least if you want them done right and effective) then just soldering a couple TV remote LEDs to a cap.

I will say this.

I will not vend the cap that I will begin to create in the next couple weeks, unless it is 100% effective.
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Bungee54 on November 08, 2012, 10:52 am
The OP is not my buyer (at least I do not think)

There is a bit more to making these (at least if you want them done right and effective) then just soldering a couple TV remote LEDs to a cap.

I will say this.

I will not vend the cap that I will begin to create in the next couple weeks, unless it is 100% effective.

We look forward to those & will buy a few 100% !

Cheers!
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: kooper271 on November 12, 2012, 03:48 am
The OP is not my buyer (at least I do not think)

There is a bit more to making these (at least if you want them done right and effective) then just soldering a couple TV remote LEDs to a cap.

I will say this.

I will not vend the cap that I will begin to create in the next couple weeks, unless it is 100% effective.

Good luck to you! We can definitely compare when we're both done. Yours will probably be much better though; I'm just a novice. I thought it'd be a fun project to take on. Mine won't be done for a long while, though.
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Shroomeister on November 12, 2012, 03:54 am
The OP is not my buyer (at least I do not think)

There is a bit more to making these (at least if you want them done right and effective) then just soldering a couple TV remote LEDs to a cap.

I will say this.

I will not vend the cap that I will begin to create in the next couple weeks, unless it is 100% effective.

Good luck to you! We can definitely compare when we're both done. Yours will probably be much better though; I'm just a novice. I thought it'd be a fun project to take on. Mine won't be done for a long while, though.


Ahh. All in good fun. 2 sets of people set the  the same task. See 2 different approaches. All in good fun.


To be honest this SR outage has set me back on this project. So I am not able to hold the time frame I had originally intended. :\

Still looking forward to SR getting back up and catching up. Then we will see where this stands!
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Emeraldshop on November 12, 2012, 03:16 pm
You can buy the Leds from Dealextreme at a ridiculous price, you just have to solder them to a circuit that you can also buy already made, and attach a battery to it.

Total cost: 10$

Take into account that this only works for IR cameras...
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: italiano on November 18, 2012, 08:14 am
We are interested 2.
If is still in progress.
Any news? Prices,...etc??
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: fuckingACE on November 18, 2012, 03:48 pm
I recommend either of these two, they will raise absolutely no suspicion:

http://www.mask-shop.com/old-lady-rubber-mask-p-259.html
http://www.mask-shop.com/latex-face-mask-big-lips-p-424.html

maby you could combine both lol

Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Shroomeister on November 19, 2012, 02:34 am
This project has been put on hold on my end. Between SR downtime and being abit busier with RL it will be a bit until I am able to move forward.


But I will.
Title: Re: Requesting IR emitting cap to hide faces from ATM cameras / Developer fund
Post by: Bungee54 on November 19, 2012, 09:41 pm
This project has been put on hold on my end. Between SR downtime and being abit busier with RL it will be a bit until I am able to move forward.


But I will.


Good to hear that :)