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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: Dr RA on July 23, 2013, 08:32 am
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Anyone had any firsthand experience with this substance?
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What is it? New RC?
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Just popped up in the LSD category, says its an analog of LSD.
Nothin' on erowid.
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Also curious about 3c... I don't really like new RCs. I prefer something with at least 10 years of documented use. I mean, who wants to be a guinea pig?
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Rare LSD analogue if I'm not mistaken.
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LSZ is an LSD analogue
Lysergic acid 2,4-dimethylazetidide
There's a shitload of info, just Google it.
[even an Erowid]
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I was searching on Erowid, didn't find anything. But found a wikipedia article
[clearnet]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_2,4-dimethylazetidide
[/clearnet]
Apparently the N of the amide group is substituted in a most unusual way, everything else same as LSD.
EDIT:
There's a new thread on this here on the forums, definitely a must read -> http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=186046.msg1369452#msg1369452
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I'm looking forward to taste this LSD-analogue! Al-LAD also looks promising. Potent stuff, but the effects should be remarkable different than LSD.
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I was searching on Erowid, didn't find anything. But found a wikipedia article
(FYI)
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=100740
Clearnet warning of course ::)
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The original Nichols paper on LSZ(SS-2c), is on erowid, but it isn't really very valuable without a frame of reference. It is a potent 5HT1a agonist, unlike LSD which is a 5HT1b agonist, there is data
integrated from the original paper compared to other psychs at:
http://www.ncbi.nim.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2814854/ (clearnet)
there are 42 drugs profiled at that site. One interesting thing to note, is that LSZ is a potent agonist at
3 or 4 HT receptors, while LSD is potent at 7-9 receptors at equivalent levels, I'll display the
computed values, these are values based upon order of intensity, with 4 being the highest.
each drop in 1 number(ie. 4->3->2->1->) is at least a 10-fold decrease, because it is based upon
a log graph of intensity at each receptor.
SS-2c: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.22 5ht1b, 2.82 D3, 2.45 5ht7, 2.44 5ht6, 2.32 5ht2a, 2.17 5ht5a, 2.17 5ht2b, 2.03 5ht2c, 1.74 D2, 1.72 Beta1, 1.62 D4, 1.16 5ht1e, 1.14 D1, 1.00 D5, 0.67 Alpha1A, 0.57 Beta2, 0.20 H1
compare this to the original:
LSD: 4.00 5ht1b, 3.77 5ht7, 3.75 5ht6, 3.73 5ht1a, 3.70 5ht1d, 3.64 5ht5a, 3.54 5ht2a, 3.16 D3, 3.11 5ht2b, 3.11 5ht2c, 2.93 Alpha2A, 2.62 5ht1e, 2.55 D2, 2.39 D4, 2.34 D1, 2.05 D5, 1.54 Alpha1A, 1.40 H1, 1.39 Beta1, 1.05 Beta2, 0.65
and Good 'ol Shrooms!
Psilocin: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.40 5ht1d, 3.37 D1, 3.03 5ht1e, 2.88 5ht1a, 2.83 5ht5a, 2.82 5ht7, 2.82 5ht6, 2.67 D3, 2.52 5ht2c, 2.19 5ht1b, 2.14 5ht2a, 1.77 Imidazoline1, 1.74 SERT, 1.57 Alpha2B, 1.36 Alpha2A, 1.03 Alpha2C
You can see here that it is in some respects similar to both, yet different.
I have tried the compound at 75ug, it is definitely active, but an associate of mine took a larger
dose with an SSRI and had problems with nausea and vomiting. The same subject had no adverse response to AL-LAD or LSD. I suspect that the decreased breadth of activity makes this compound not as easily tolerated as LSD, although it does seem very promising. I had good visuals and low body load at 75ug, but I have not seen very many reports, only 3 or 4 with low dosage and one with high dosage.
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Not a research chemical. Just an analogue of LSD
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It's another one of the new, relatively crappy (in comparison to Psilocybin or a better LSD-type substance) RC that's available extremely cheap in bulk and has just been hyped up on the "darknet" as something special to justify the insanely high mark-up.
Spoiler: You can buy AL-LAD, LSZ, and countless other "special" blotter-laid psychadelics using Google and about 100ug of common sense.
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I don't like #rare analogs..... they're #rare usually for a reason
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I haven't see it being any cheaper on the clearnet. Frankly, I wouldn't buy it on the clearnet, for the same reason I don't buy san pedro or salvia online. No offense to RC dealers, but they'll give up their list to the feds faster than you can order. Not talking about SR, just clearnet RC sites sometimes keep records, which is why they won't ship sometimes. I've also heard of RC dealers doing all kinds of activity that would get them banned on SR, but they know that they can't pull that shtii here, without ruining your rating. I think one of the "-escaline" dealers on SR lost my trust when they said they wouldn't ship to my area, along with several others involved in the "Bath Salt Ban". This is an illegal darknet site, local laws shoudln't fucking matter, lolz... I haven't seen any posts anywhere saying "oh, yeah, I brought that shit to a party, and people went fucking nuts for it." not that I don't appreciate new stuff, just if people would speak up and talk about it more, they might save some people the trouble of figuring it out themselves. Thousands of doses sold, and 3 reports on erowid, the LSZ that is. AL-LAD is fucking brilliant. LSZ is a decent drug, if you are a 'true believer' in LSD and shrooms, its worth doing if you can physically handle it, I'm not saying it isn't. I won't do 25I or 2Cs, I want to try TMA-2, but it only ships from spain, and isn't always 'in season'. Spain/Europe on SR is the place to get the good psychs, not RC sites.
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LSD, Mescaline, Psilocybin
These three are all you need IMO everything else is not as good for one reason or another. Between these three there is an amazing range of length, intensity, and "type" or "feel" to the trip. The problem is, they are all illegal.
Safest one to procure IMO would be Mescaline which you can order online from Peru. You can order the dried green cactus chips from a Peruvian Torch or San Pedro cactus. You can easily grind this, mix some water to make nasty little dough-like cactus balls, and eat them with gatorade chaser. Or, if you are so inclined, you can do a fairly simple A-B extraction to get all the way or at least part of the way to pure Mescaline. All of this info is readily available.
The newest RC that looks promising to me is 6-APB but the prices are too high and/or I can't find a reliable source. Technically I believe its still legal in the U.S.A. at least.
All of this is strictly my opinion and understand that my bias towards psychedilics is of a spiritual nature and less of a party-nature.
In regards to OP: LSZ doesn't seem that great don't waste your time on it :P
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LSD, Mescaline, Psilocybin
These three are all you need IMO everything else is not as good for one reason or another. Between these three there is an amazing range of length, intensity, and "type" or "feel" to the trip. The problem is, they are all illegal.
Safest one to procure IMO would be Mescaline which you can order online from Peru. You can order the dried green cactus chips from a Peruvian Torch or San Pedro cactus. You can easily grind this, mix some water to make nasty little dough-like cactus balls, and eat them with gatorade chaser. Or, if you are so inclined, you can do a fairly simple A-B extraction to get all the way or at least part of the way to pure Mescaline. All of this info is readily available.
The newest RC that looks promising to me is 6-APB but the prices are too high and/or I can't find a reliable source. Technically I believe its still legal in the U.S.A. at least.
All of this is strictly my opinion and understand that my bias towards psychedilics is of a spiritual nature and less of a party-nature.
In regards to OP: LSZ doesn't seem that great don't waste your time on it :P
Not to jack the thread, but I've had experience with 6-APB and to me the feelings you get from it are almost just like rolling. I feel like I get a bit more energy out of it though and don't get as floored as I do on MDMA sometimes. You should check out FiberOptic. He seems have pretty good reviews and I actually got a free sample from them (I have yet to try it though). It's supposed to be slightly psychedelic as well but to me I haven't really seen any visuals off of it.
But back on topic, I have been curious about LS-Z as well. I need to do a bit more research on it first.
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LSD, Mescaline, Psilocybin
These three are all you need IMO everything else is not as good for one reason or another. Between these three there is an amazing range of length, intensity, and "type" or "feel" to the trip. The problem is, they are all illegal.
Safest one to procure IMO would be Mescaline which you can order online from Peru. You can order the dried green cactus chips from a Peruvian Torch or San Pedro cactus. You can easily grind this, mix some water to make nasty little dough-like cactus balls, and eat them with gatorade chaser. Or, if you are so inclined, you can do a fairly simple A-B extraction to get all the way or at least part of the way to pure Mescaline. All of this info is readily available.
The newest RC that looks promising to me is 6-APB but the prices are too high and/or I can't find a reliable source. Technically I believe its still legal in the U.S.A. at least.
All of this is strictly my opinion and understand that my bias towards psychedilics is of a spiritual nature and less of a party-nature.
In regards to OP: LSZ doesn't seem that great don't waste your time on it :P
Personally I have liked the LSZ better than the AL-LAD but that is just me. It is definitely worth trying. Regarding mescaline, sure it is a good trip if you don't mind sitting on the toilet the whole time.