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Title: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: DEA-agent on October 10, 2012, 04:20 pm
Hey guys,
I suffer from slight social anxiety disorder.
I want to use MDMA in specific social situations, since it really helps me.
Obviously I cant't use that on an every day basis, but I could use it in situations where I'm really unconfortable. Like any situation where I fist get in contact with people I did not know before.
I'm generally able to control my self to the extent that others wont notice that I'm on a drug. But if I have pupils like plates people will probably recognize that I'm on something.
Anything I can do about pupil dilation? Sunglasses are not always an option. 8)
Thx.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: LetGoOfYourEgo on October 10, 2012, 04:29 pm
Try beta blockers instead.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: DEA-agent on October 10, 2012, 04:36 pm
Dunno. They will probably help with heart racing, but I still wouldn't be very communicative.
MDMA seems just perfect. I really don't want to use it very often. Only in some specific situations. Less than once per moth probably.
I really just need something for the pupils. I'm able to control the big grin. ;D
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: Dopamin on October 10, 2012, 04:40 pm
Hey,

social anxiety is a totally normal response when you meet new people or when you have to speak in front of a large audience. This is due to the fact that our brain still works in the same way as 100k years before when our ancestors strode through the savannaeh of Africa. Back then, meeting unknown people was a real danger. There were rivaling tribes, so chances were high that you would take a club to the head. The brain responded to that with a fight or flight choice, and still does. To be able to run as hell you get a pretty nice shot of adrenaline, free drugs so to speak :) Take it as a gift from your body, and after 2 to 5 minutes, you should be back to baseline and more relaxed.

If you use MDMA, why not try a low dose at home, say 30 to 50mg, and check a mirror every thirty minutes.

Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: DEA-agent on October 10, 2012, 04:55 pm
I know that social anxiety is normal to some extend, but defiantly not to extend I have it. I used to avoid the situations you describe as good as I could completely. I feel way more uncomfortable in specific situations than most people do. I'm constantly thinking about what others think of me. I know it's irrational but still can't do anything about it.
However MDMA seems just perfect. But I know that I can't use it too often. That's why I decided to use it for the most awkward situations.

I will try what low doses do to me and my pupils. Thx.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: Theaides on October 10, 2012, 05:04 pm
50mg shouldn't blow your pupils up that badly.  Try it first, see how it feels, it should be enough to take down your anxiety though.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: USPS on October 10, 2012, 05:25 pm
Based on your post you might be a DEA agent since you dont know shit about drugs. Only an experienced user could even attempt to hide MDMA use. Physical affects aside, its easy to identify someone thats rolling because they are fucked up. You will act different, not normal and thats what people will notice. If your around people that know your antisocial and all the sudden your a social butterfly the odds are someone will say to someone else "thats what drugs can do for you!"

-1 for the worst name ever.

Hey guys,
I suffer from slight social anxiety disorder.
I want to use MDMA in specific social situations, since it really helps me.
Obviously I cant't use that on an every day basis, but I could use it in situations where I'm really unconfortable. Like any situation where I fist get in contact with people I did not know before.
I'm generally able to control my self to the extent that others wont notice that I'm on a drug. But if I have pupils like plates people will probably recognize that I'm on something.
Anything I can do about pupil dilation? Sunglasses are not always an option. 8)
Thx.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: DEA-agent on October 10, 2012, 05:30 pm
Shit, I just got unmasked.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: 100% American on October 10, 2012, 05:34 pm
DEA agent - you should make a new name because the DEA are the worst kind of scum there is. Turning 27.5grams into 28 grams so they can get trafficking charges. Counting pills mixed with fillers as all active ingredients. The DEA has hurt more people than any drug dealer I know. Your a loser.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: Kali Kross on October 10, 2012, 05:41 pm
DEA agents suck. They are criminals! My brother was arrested by the DEA and they took all his money but $10 when he had several thousand and they added 19grams of something to his bag so that he would qualify for a higher minimum mandatory sentence!
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: Red Flag on October 10, 2012, 05:46 pm
Shit, I just got unmasked.

At the least you didnt put any thought into selecting your name. The DEA is the most corrupt law enforcement agency America has. During prohibition the Chicago police were the most corrupt, but in current times the DEA is the champions of combining criminal activities and LE activities.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: DEA-agent on October 10, 2012, 05:49 pm
Seriously boys?
I'm sure nobody really thinks that I'm from the DEA.
But wtf makes you believe that I like the DEA?
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: Harmful Hits on October 10, 2012, 06:02 pm
Did you expect a community of drug users to show you love after you named your nic DEA agent? Millions of Americans have been personally hurt by the DEA. I have never met anyone that was shot or stabbed by a gang member. In fact most of the pain I have felt in my own life and observed in others was directly because of the DEA. We dont believe in drug laws but we arnt hurting anyone. We dont push crack, coke, heroin, or meth. We dont sell to children. We dont rob, beg, or borrow. But the DEA is happy to raid us regardless.

Seriously boys?
I'm sure nobody really thinks that I'm from the DEA.
But wtf makes you believe that I like the DEA?
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: DEA-agent on October 10, 2012, 06:09 pm
I definitely did not expect people would take this personally.
When I created this account I thought it might be funny.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: Kali Kross on October 10, 2012, 06:21 pm
its not that funny.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: DEA-agent on October 10, 2012, 06:32 pm
its not that funny.
I just noticed that. :D
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: DEA-agent on October 10, 2012, 07:05 pm
I decided to make a new account for you humorless americans. ;)
Honestly, I had an idea but did not know how corrupt the DEA really is.
Btw, on the first day after I created this account someone sent me a pm and asked if I was not scared that the real DEA could become angry. :D

So please post proposals for my new username. (But make sure it doesn't hurt anyone's feelings) ;)
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: The ILF on October 10, 2012, 11:36 pm
Members of The ILF have been on micro-doses of MDA/MDMA in plenty of "social" situations that require one to "keep it together": work, get-togethers with neighbors/family, etc.  There's a huge difference between eyes-in-the-back-of-the-head rollling balls and 0.2-0.3 mg/kg you-on-a-great-day incognito rolling.  We've found these latter experiences to be very rewarding in their own right and even attribute better work performance and social bonding to their assistance.  Pupils might be a little bigger, but they won't be saucers, and they'll still look along the continuum of "normal."

In addition, maybe you could go by Anti-DEA Agent?  Or maybe ATM Machine?  And while we certainly understand the vitriol directed against the Agency, we would like to remind people of a great -- as pro-ecstasy and harm reduction as could be -- little web site out there that made a similar joke: [WARNING CLEAR NET AHH] www.thedea.org
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: GH on October 11, 2012, 12:43 am
Hey guys,
I suffer from slight social anxiety disorder.
I want to use MDMA in specific social situations, since it really helps me.
Obviously I cant't use that on an every day basis, but I could use it in situations where I'm really unconfortable. Like any situation where I fist get in contact with people I did not know before.
I'm generally able to control my self to the extent that others wont notice that I'm on a drug. But if I have pupils like plates people will probably recognize that I'm on something.
Anything I can do about pupil dilation? Sunglasses are not always an option. 8)
Thx.

Try pilocarpine 0.5% or physostigmine 1% eye drops. Both constrict the pupils. Look up the side effects, dosage and possible drug interactions before using it. All the best.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: quinone on October 11, 2012, 05:23 am
I decided to make a new account for you humorless americans. ;)
Honestly, I had an idea but did not know how corrupt the DEA really is.
Btw, on the first day after I created this account someone sent me a pm and asked if I was not scared that the real DEA could become angry. :D

So please post proposals for my new username. (But make sure it doesn't hurt anyone's feelings) ;)

I'm Canadian and just as disgusted by the DEA as any American, and just as dismayed and annoyed by your stupid username as all the trolls trolling you are.

Any organization that can overturn it's own judicial branches decisions the moment they are made just because they want to/wanted the other decision (the DEA calls it 'emergency scheduling') is not an organization at all.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: US245 on October 11, 2012, 08:08 pm
I personally might be able to get away with it in dosages lower than 50-70mg. But as others have suggested the people around you are going to notice you turning into a super social creature all the sudden.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: Holly on October 11, 2012, 09:08 pm
Don't be stupid taking MDMA whenever you have a social situation because the amount of social situations you're going to have that 'require' mdma are going to be neurotoxic.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: Jello on October 11, 2012, 09:38 pm
I definitely did not expect people would take this personally.
When I created this account I thought it might be funny.. Karma
Anyone that is offended by your name is a fucking idiot, same goes for people that believe the DEA would ask this question. I'm amazed at the stupidity on here, there isn't anything wrong with being paranoid....but use some fucking common sense.

Anyway i agree with Holly, MDMA is awesome but it isn't going to magically cure your social anxieties. Only you can do that, and if you really want to I'm sure you can. It just takes time. :)
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: DEA-agent on October 11, 2012, 10:02 pm
Anyway i agree with Holly, MDMA is awesome but it isn't going to magically cure your social anxieties.
Oh it does. It extremely magically cures my social anxieties.  :D ...but only for the time I'm on it.
I know that this is no long term solution and I really don't want to use it on a regular basis. Only for the most awkward situations, most likely less than four times a month.
Thx for your tips so far.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: holamigo on October 11, 2012, 10:27 pm
How old are you? The SA will fade with age, partially as you stop giving a shit and learn to chill, or tune out.
Some meds can help. Benzos work well but every dose is a step backwards due to the addiction and tolerance, nevermind the fact that they dope you out. If you have to use any benzos, stick with long half-life slow onset/offset diazepam. Stay away from lorazepam etc.
Buspirone or an SSRI can help. Venlafaxine is good but not so often prescribed. I believe citalopram is the current favourite.
Since you are happy to buy drugs on the grey/black market, you could try tianeptine, although it's a little bit activating which may be the opposite of the desired effect.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: holamigo on October 11, 2012, 10:29 pm
I don't believe your idea to use low dose MDMA is a worthwhile idea.
I would expect only anxiety from a sub-active dose.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: holamigo on October 11, 2012, 10:33 pm
p.s. "only 4 times a month" (pretty much weekly), is too frequently, as I have found out the hard way.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: DEA-agent on October 11, 2012, 10:56 pm
How old are you? The SA will fade with age, partially as you stop giving a shit and learn to chill, or tune out.
Some meds can help. Benzos work well but every dose is a step backwards due to the addiction and tolerance, nevermind the fact that they dope you out. If you have to use any benzos, stick with long half-life slow onset/offset diazepam. Stay away from lorazepam etc.
Buspirone or an SSRI can help. Venlafaxine is good but not so often prescribed. I believe citalopram is the current favourite.
Since you are happy to buy drugs on the grey/black market, you could try tianeptine, although it's a little bit activating which may be the opposite of the desired effect.
I'm 23.
Not giving a shit and lerning to chill sounds easy, but for me it isn't. I'm aware that I have to face my fears and I'm working on it.
I will also try some of the meds you mentioned.
p.s. "only 4 times a month" (pretty much weekly), is too frequently, as I have found out the hard way.
Please share your experiences.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: holamigo on October 11, 2012, 11:10 pm

How old are you? The SA will fade with age, partially as you stop giving a shit and learn to chill, or tune out.
Some meds can help. Benzos work well but every dose is a step backwards due to the addiction and tolerance, nevermind the fact that they dope you out. If you have to use any benzos, stick with long half-life slow onset/offset diazepam. Stay away from lorazepam etc.
Buspirone or an SSRI can help. Venlafaxine is good but not so often prescribed. I believe citalopram is the current favourite.
Since you are happy to buy drugs on the grey/black market, you could try tianeptine, although it's a little bit activating which may be the opposite of the desired effect.

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I'm 23.
Not giving a shit and lerning to chill sounds easy, but for me it isn't. I'm aware that I have to face my fears and I'm working on it.
I understand. You missed the bit about tuning out too though :) Do you think you might have aspie symptoms? Sometimes the stress of trying to be on other people's wavelength is just too much and it's best to tune out and think of something nice or people-watch or something.
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I will also try some of the meds you mentioned.
Cool. I would try Buspirone combined with something like paroxetine or another run-of-the-mill SSRI. It is really not good to get involved with benzodiazepines.
p.s. "only 4 times a month" (pretty much weekly), is too frequently, as I have found out the hard way.
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Please share your experiences.
I have had three, erm, with hindsight what I would call nervous breakdowns which I am quite sure were a result of almost-weekly MDMA use. I did use too much though.. I never know when to stop. Venlafaxine helped get me back to normal a couple of times. This third time around I am struggling but I think I'm making progress now finally.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: GH on October 11, 2012, 11:37 pm

I'm 23.
Not giving a shit and lerning to chill sounds easy, but for me it isn't. I'm aware that I have to face my fears and I'm working on it.
I will also try some of the meds you mentioned.

Hey Mr.DEA,
If you need medical advice for your anxiety disorder you should see a psychiatrist and discuss pharmacological and non-pharmacological modalities. A lot of the prescription drugs mentioned here have serious side-effects and can interact badly with other medication you maybe on. Also some of them could interfere with drugs you use recreationally. I don't think you were asking for advice on how to manage your anxiety but I hope you don't take advice about medication with out meeting a doctor.
If you're just looking for something to constrict your pupils REASEARCH pilocarpine 0.5% or physostigmine 1% eye drops. Medscape has a great drug interaction checker you can use to be safe. It also has dosing guide and side effect profiles for the mentioned medicines. Anyway topical medications are far more safe than systemic drugs. Both the eye drops I've mentioned have been used safely for glaucoma for decades. But make sure you do your research anyway. Be safe. I'm just trying to answer your question about countering the pupil dilatation without going into your SAD. Yes that is the accepted acronym!
You're 23 and you're smart enough to be on SR so you're smart enough to use the internet for thorough research. Make your own decisions about MDMA dosage and frequency after thorough research. Don't limit it just to erowid. Look for scientific papers on pubmed about acute and chronic toxicity of MDMA use. There are plenty of articles out there.
On a less serious note if you really want to hide the fact that you occasionally like to roll then just act like you're always rolling even when you're sober! Lol. Everyone will think you're just super enthusiastic about life and a really great human being.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: Cloud Surfer on October 11, 2012, 11:46 pm
What's up mr DEAAGENT.

you ordered from us before as I don't forget the name easily.

How did you like it?
Or are you figuring out if you should turn me in or Surfe the Clouds ;)
??
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: DEA-agent on October 12, 2012, 12:17 am
No, that must have been the real DEA. :o

But seriously, it was not me. I use another username on the main site.
But I will probably give your mdma a try the next time.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: GH on October 12, 2012, 12:24 am
What's up mr DEAAGENT.

you ordered from us before as I don't forget the name easily.

How did you like it?
Or are you figuring out if you should turn me in or Surfe the Clouds ;)
??

Mr. Cloud Surfer,
You're simply awesome. Please keep getting the DEA to surf the clouds so they are too happy and in love with the world to arrest your fans!
What are your views on frequent MDMA usage? How often would you say is too often?
Much love and respect to you sir,
Merrily surfing the clouds ; )
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: Cloud Surfer on October 12, 2012, 12:33 am
What's up mr DEAAGENT.

you ordered from us before as I don't forget the name easily.

How did you like it?
Or are you figuring out if you should turn me in or Surfe the Clouds ;)
??

Mr. Cloud Surfer,
You're simply awesome. Please keep getting the DEA to surf the clouds so they are too happy and in love with the world to arrest your fans!
What are your views on frequent MDMA usage? How often would you say is too often?
Much love and respect to you sir,
Merrily surfing the clouds ; )

Thanks!

Take it easy with the dosage.
Use it wisely.
I just posted a message regarding dosage in a healthy matter on our review page.
Check it out, and decide for yourself.

I will not tell people to use it every week.
That would be wrong.
You should have fun without drugs too..
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: flyinghigh1660 on October 12, 2012, 12:41 pm
30-50mg of MDMA, will give you a nice mood lift with out any noticeable effects.

Just try it in a solo setting and see what you think., I sometime drop 30mg for business  social events. I hate small talk, and I would never be friends with these people, low dose MDMA will get you over the hump. You don't have to go balls out to get the positive effects of some drugs.

Fuck those upset about your user name, offence is a self generated emotion.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: DEA-agent on October 12, 2012, 01:02 pm
Ya, I tried 50mg alone at home and it seems like a good dosage. Mood was slightly lifted, but not to extremely, and my pupils looked quite normal. That should work out for me. No need for eyed drops, but thx for the tip.
I'm now doing some research about the neurotoxiy in order to figure out how frequently I can use it safely.
Thanks for all your answers.
Title: Re: Using MDMA without others noticing it
Post by: Cloud Surfer on October 18, 2012, 05:58 pm
Ya, I tried 50mg alone at home and it seems like a good dosage. Mood was slightly lifted, but not to extremely, and my pupils looked quite normal. That should work out for me. No need for eyed drops, but thx for the tip.
I'm now doing some research about the neurotoxiy in order to figure out how frequently I can use it safely.
Thanks for all your answers.

50mg is VERY wise.
People tend to over-do it.
Ofcourse you'll have  a hell of a night,
But still, less is more.

I like to remember the fun I had!