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Title: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: Para on July 08, 2013, 08:56 am
So, I have been doing bumps (snorted) of #4 heroin for the last three hours.  The product is from a reputable vendor who claims it to be of extremely high quality.  The reviews from other buyers are all glowing.  Yet, I am not getting any of the good effects others talk about.  I feel a little bit warmer, slightly dizzy and earlier on i was feeling energized and in a good mood (i was in a great mood before dosing).  Now I am not even feeling that happy, maybe even a bit pissed off.  I'm only getting a little bit of itching in my legs, but that's about it.

I'm being really careful and recording my dosing.  Here's my notes:

3.17 pm  half match head railed
3.32pm  Slightly bigger dose railed
3.50pm,  about same as first dose railed
4.05 pm  small line
4.20 pm  small line
4.35pm  bigger line.  Feeling ok but nothing amazing
5.06   small line
5.54  small line


Sooo, what gives? Do some people just not get a buzz off heroin?  If it helps, I have tried 20mg Oxy (dissolved in coke for about an hour) before and didn't really enjoy it that much.  I would drift off and then panic because my breathing was slowing down.

I may wait a couple of hours and then try smoking some off foil instead.  I'm a bit peeved because i got half a gram of the stuff! 
Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: s-aint on July 08, 2013, 11:41 am
Something I remember from my codeine days is that you can't 'stack' your high (with codeine; this might hold true for heroin, or it might not), I mean if you take a small dose, then another small dose, it's not nearly as effective as taking one proper-sized dose.
This might be your problem here. As for the oxycodone, might not have been dissolved long enough? I've read it takes minimum 1.5 hours for oxy to dissolve (in water though), other say up to 8 hours. I just snort it (usually 5 mg at a time; I have low tolerance) or parachute.

But the first time I did heroin (brown, railed it, small line) I wasn't all that impressed either, tbh, it felt just like codeine. The third time I had a big fat line, which might've been too much. I started nodding hard and felt a bit sick, but also really wonderful. After that all experiences have been great, but these days I stick to occasional oxycodone. (less addiction risk, besides you know what you're getting with pharms).

You don't need to smoke H on foil unless it's tar. Snorting it (yes, that's my solution to everything) will do the job just as well. Or you can smoke it in a roll up cigarette or pipe. Less gets wasted!
Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: dolphy7835 on July 08, 2013, 12:14 pm
Is this your first experience with heroin? You mentioned doing oxy before, but from what i gather it sounds like this was your first ever experience. If i'm wrong, please excuse me then. You did alot sounds like to not have od'ed if this was your first heroin experience. Sounds like you got some bunk stuff. My advice, don't push it by doing anymore. #4 heroin is very potent at even a couple of match-head bumps.
Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: pakchoi23 on July 08, 2013, 12:32 pm
If this is your first outing with Heroin there is something wrong. Do you have an opiate tolerance?

What sort of effect are you looking for? Feeling down and itchy is about right. Heroin is a painkiller and depressant. If you panicked taking oxy cos your breath was slowing down maybe you aren't cut out for opiates.

I take opiates to get off my face, sedated, nodding, to lose a day. I can take less and bimble about stoned but I prefer to be anaesthtised.


I also have a 20 yr habit... my advice? Take your crappy experience and run! Be grateful you didn't fall in love first time.

If you are determined, get some #3 and smoke it. It's easier to build up a stone and harder to OD. PLEASE don't OD.

Paki
Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on July 08, 2013, 12:47 pm
Ive felt the same with MOST #4 stamps here on SR..

but with some shopping around, ive found that it was just poor quality..

Stamps from Delux Delivery are the beez kneez. Whole nother ball game..

Now for the rawest #4, SubsRGood.

Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: Para on July 08, 2013, 12:52 pm
Thanks for the replies.

s-aint, yes i remember reading that about codeine too.  Actually my best experience with opiates was with 5 X 30mg codeine/Paracetamol pills on an empty stomach.  Felt like pure bliss.  (Only did this once, other times i CWE since i realized Paracetamol is so bad for the liver). 


dolphy7835 & pakchoi23, you are correct, this was my first time with Heroin.  I was hoping to get totally blissed out and just have a completely chilled out euphoric time.  Yeah, I think i will lay off it for tonight.  Maybe I will contact the vendor and ask what they think might be happening.


dirtybiscuitzz718, What confuses me is that the vendor has such great feedback.  And I have not done any opiates since January.

Another thought i had was that maybe opiates just don't give me the same level of 'feel good' effect that others seem to get.  I was in S.E. Asia last year and had a few high dose codeine and Hydrocodone experiences (the pure stuff, no APAP).  These experiences were not particularly great either (not much euphoria/bliss to speak off).  At the time i put it down to dodgy manufacturing of the pills but maybe its just me!

Oh well, another drug to cross off the 'bucket-list.' Now there just DMT left that i really want to do.

P.S.  I have had 50mg of Naltrexone (dissolved in water) sitting here the whole time in case i started to get OD symptoms.  I figure if things went bad I would drink that and call an ambulance.  Yes, I have been a bit apprehensive about doing H!
Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: Para on July 08, 2013, 01:21 pm
Hey how long after the last dose of H is it safe to pop a couple of Benzo's to get to sleep?  I guess there is no hard and fast rule but its been 4 hours since last dose so should be right now yeah? 

If you guys have not tried it yet I recommend a combo of Benzo's & melatonin for a great nights sleep (and some crazy vivid dreams to boot).  I use Etizolam but probably works just as well or even better with other benzo's.

Tomorrow I should be getting some meth off the nice postie. Might try some H at the tail end of meth, see if that can make some euphoria come of it!

Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: dolphy7835 on July 08, 2013, 01:30 pm
Put that even out of your mind. Deadly combo; benzos and opiates. Respiratory system can shut down completely while you are sleeping and you'll never wake up again. Not until after you've slept or at least waited several more hours. Seriously, this isn't one of those don't do drugs cuz they can kill you speeches. Mixing benzos with opiate's and\or alcohol is an extreme risk to your health. Be safe please. Pakchoi23 said it best: "take your crappy experience and run"
Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: Para on July 08, 2013, 01:45 pm
Thanks for the advice! No Benzo's tonight then...
Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: BlackIris on July 08, 2013, 02:38 pm
dirtybiscuitzz718, What confuses me is that the vendor has such great feedback.

You are trusting too much feedback. Reality of the situation is that for some substances (and H is one of them) people just throw 5/5 because they received the product. They are as happy as they can be just because they were not scammed. To this add the fact that the usual junkie doesn't really care too much for the quality all in all but to have a fix and you do the rest. Sad but true.

There was an high feedback vendor that had fenantyl as H and it seems that people there didn't either understand it (you can find a thread about this just here, hint: "escrow" and "useless"). So don't trust too much feedback of "normal" users for H quality on the road, there are threads done appositely for this and those are the ones you should use as evidence of the H being good or not before you think it's a subjective problem.

I would bet, actually, that's much more probably an objective one. If H is not good it's just a painkiller and sedative and nothing more.
Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: Para on July 08, 2013, 08:22 pm
So I persisted with it after all and managed to enjoy the experience a fair bit more. It's still not the overwhelming euphoria that i was imagining it to be but still nice.  Kinda like being in this apathetic, content and chilled out mind state.  I could see why it would be appealing to stay like this if I was stressed out or in pain etc...   More itchy now as well.

Hmm...  I'm definitely becoming more of a downer person now after having been mostly into euphoric stimulants in the past. 

But i got to say, MXE shits all over this in terms of euphoria, music appreciation, safety profile and cost.  So if your an opiate person and haven't tried it yet, i would highly recommend MXE.

I imagine that the rush from IV'ing H would be pretty awesome though......   but I wont be going down that path simply because i don't trust myself being able to hit a vein properly.

No way this gear is 95% pure though, I should be dead by now otherwise.  Now im wondering whether to raise it with the vendor or just let it go?! 

Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: Garrincha on July 08, 2013, 08:33 pm
Is MXE an opiate RC?
May have to give it a whirl sometime!
Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: Para on July 08, 2013, 08:45 pm
No it's like ketamine (but in my opinion, better) so a dissociative.  Several people have reported 'opiate-like' effects from it.  Don't get me wrong though, it's not a opiate replacement and the head-space is more psychedelic and at high doses can get really weird.  But i really love the 20-40mg range.  Takes about 40 minutes to kick orally in and i usually dim the lights and put on some ambient music or psytrance (Music appreciation is big for me on it).   I'll see if i can dig up a bluelight thread. 

Here's the latest thread:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/664777-The-Big-amp-Dandy-Methoxetamine-Thread-Hit-12-Oh-look-it-s-MXE-o-clock

In my opinion 20mg MXE + 1-2mg Etizolam is pretty damn euphoric and chilled out, but YMMV!

Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: LPL on July 08, 2013, 08:51 pm
 If you haven't spewed your guts out and can still piss easily, you didn't do enough.
  That said,be careful.
 
Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: Para on July 08, 2013, 08:53 pm
LOL!  Yeah, no spew, pissing easily and still have my appetite.  No more tonight though, gotta get some sleep! 
Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: Garrincha on July 08, 2013, 09:01 pm
I'm another who doesn't really rate heroin. Only time I tried it was when on 45ml methadone. I smoked it on foil (like an amateur), smoked it in a pipe and snorted it over a week or two, and never got anything much off it. It was street H, but legit. Probably was because I already had a tolerance to opiates before trying it.
Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: LPL on July 08, 2013, 09:07 pm
 You should think about getting some #3. Chasing the Dragon is something you have to get the hang of, but once you've got it down, "Smoking" heroin is much easier for the novice smack user to get their dose right. You just have a few lines, wait a few minutes, and if you are not there yet, have a few more lines.  As long as you aren't very drunk and under the influence of downers, you are very unlikely to go over when "Smoking" brown.
Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: ACleverUsername on July 08, 2013, 09:20 pm
Thanks for the info. I was considering getting a small amount of H to try out (never done it before). I'd do insufflation.

Being H, dosage is important to me. So thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: Garrincha on July 08, 2013, 10:20 pm
As far as sniffing heroin goes, isn't the technique to keep it in your nostrils (like snuff tobacco), rather than snort it down (as with coke, speed etc)? Does it differ according to the grade?
Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: cloneuk on July 09, 2013, 12:11 am
Impressed with your really accurate record keeping. Just smoke it instead of making yourself look stupid on the internet.
Title: Re: Dissapointed with first time heroin experience
Post by: Para on July 09, 2013, 02:13 am
^^That's a back-handed compliment if ever i saw one!

Like i said, the vendor claimed it to be +95% pure and so I wanted to keep a good record since, had it been the case, an OD would be a high risk given my inexperience.  Anyway, you got to be doing something else in between racking up lines, drooling and talking to you degenerates :-p

I'll give it another go in a few days time.  Probably try smoking it if i can get some caffeine powder to cut it with (read it helps).  If that doesn't work, rack up two match head size doses instead.  I dunno, kinda bored by the thought of it now.    Got a fucking headache too....