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Title: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: ysdfleklsjd on July 24, 2013, 10:44 pm
as an example, using a forged EU passport (fake name, but with your real photo on it) and stepping on a flight from new york to panama.

would that work?

or would TSA find out your passport is fake the moment they scan it?

what are the scanners checking for when the airport people scan your passport?

do you need to be on a computer database in order for your ticket to not be flagged with an "S" (for suspicious)?

can you use a passport that doesn't have a barcode? can you leave the country without your passport needing to be in a database?

if there is an experienced expat on this forum that has the answers to any or all of these questions that'd be awesome.
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: P2P on July 24, 2013, 10:52 pm
Passports have barcodes?
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: tbart on July 25, 2013, 12:11 am
at the very least, if the barcode doesn't show you arrived on that passport, there'll be questions raised
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: xx138xx on July 25, 2013, 12:24 am
Multiple countries now have passports with the pictures and information encoded into a chip embedded in them, so physically changing the photo on it wouldn't work because it wouldn't match the photo that would show up on their terminal when they scanned it.

If you chose to use a passport from a country that doesn't use an embedded chip in their passports, you still have to find a way to explain how you got into the country in the first place.
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: Rastaman Vibration on July 25, 2013, 12:28 am
Passports have barcodes?

They also have RFID chips
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: Thetruthseeker1234 on July 25, 2013, 01:34 am
Don't forget the biometric chips now in most passports.
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: Porn Star on July 25, 2013, 06:21 am
The RFID chips could fail. Just smash it with a hammer.
Hmmmm. Maybe you lost your passport in the States, and this one was reissued and mailed to you so you could get home. Just thinking out loud.
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: Mcrad on July 25, 2013, 06:28 am
So if you cannot take a flight out of the country. what is the point in obtaining a fake passport?


much love_mcrad!
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: Porn Star on July 25, 2013, 11:33 pm
Just thinkin' flights aren't the only way to travel. What about boats? Could you take a cruise to the bahamas or panama, or mexico, or canada and just not get back on the boat?
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: Mcrad on July 26, 2013, 12:42 am
Just thinkin' flights aren't the only way to travel. What about boats? Could you take a cruise to the bahamas or panama, or mexico, or canada and just not get back on the boat?

+1 for being awesome!
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: p3nd8s on July 26, 2013, 01:54 am
Just thinkin' flights aren't the only way to travel. What about boats? Could you take a cruise to the bahamas or panama, or mexico, or canada and just not get back on the boat?

^What he said! If you have the dough, get out via boat, make sure you have someone with you so you can hide if the coast guard or navy comes on board for a looksey.

Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: ysdfleklsjd on July 28, 2013, 03:36 am
Multiple countries now have passports with the pictures and information encoded into a chip embedded in them, so physically changing the photo on it wouldn't work because it wouldn't match the photo that would show up on their terminal when they scanned it.

If you chose to use a passport from a country that doesn't use an embedded chip in their passports, you still have to find a way to explain how you got into the country in the first place.

what if i microwave my forged EU passport for 2 seconds? i know that will destroy the chip, but will i still need an explanation if they scan my passport and nothing comes up?
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: Mcrad on July 28, 2013, 05:00 am
the chip could contain metal parts (it most likely does) then that would cause the passport to catch fire:P


much love_mcrad!
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: Porn Star on July 28, 2013, 10:20 pm
Microwaving is interesting as a way to kill the chip. I wonder if a person could use a no oxygen environment to prevent fire. Flood the microwave with nitrogen. Though I still think a simple hammer might be the easiest way to ruin the chip.
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: Mcrad on July 28, 2013, 10:27 pm
Microwaving is interesting as a way to kill the chip. I wonder if a person could use a no oxygen environment to prevent fire. Flood the microwave with nitrogen. Though I still think a simple hammer might be the easiest way to ruin the chip.

I think a hammer is your best bet too:)

much love_mcrad!
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: randomOVDB#2 on August 02, 2013, 07:59 pm
as an example, using a forged EU passport (fake name, but with your real photo on it) and stepping on a flight from new york to panama.

would that work?

No.

or would TSA find out your passport is fake the moment they scan it?
Yes.

do you need to be on a computer database in order for your ticket to not be flagged with an "S" (for suspicious)?
Yes

can you leave the country without your passport needing to be in a database?
No.
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: tbart on August 02, 2013, 09:34 pm
i've heard the holding cells at JFK or LaGuardia are small (approx 1.5 meters wide x 2 meters), dark, damp and smell like goats & chickens were kept in them.

When you find out, will you report back to us?  .... I'm just curious
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: Mcrad on August 05, 2013, 04:38 am
I really would like to know if anyone has successfully left the US with a fake passport in the recent months/years

much love_mcrad!
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: AbuNazir on August 05, 2013, 04:46 am
So if you cannot take a flight out of the country. what is the point in obtaining a fake passport?


much love_mcrad!

Never tried it, because I don't know if the DMV can scan a passport, but that is acceptable ID along with a birth certificate (forged or otherwise) to get a legit driver's license in my state. Ditch the fake docs once you have it and then go get a real passport with your new ID and fake details? Or try to get a passport at the post office using a good fake ID?
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: comsec on August 05, 2013, 05:33 am
Drive across the Mexican border to Tijuana with a fake passport. Then take a flight.
Where I live they buy passports off people for $5,000 a pop. So you 'lose' it, and then after the criminal uses it you report it stolen.

Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: Mcrad on August 05, 2013, 08:26 am
So if you cannot take a flight out of the country. what is the point in obtaining a fake passport?


much love_mcrad!

Never tried it, because I don't know if the DMV can scan a passport, but that is acceptable ID along with a birth certificate (forged or otherwise) to get a legit driver's license in my state. Ditch the fake docs once you have it and then go get a real passport with your new ID and fake details? Or try to get a passport at the post office using a good fake ID?

seems like it could work

thanks mate:)
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: ysdfleklsjd on August 22, 2013, 02:52 am
Drive across the Mexican border to Tijuana with a fake passport. Then take a flight.

will this work? doesn't tijuana also check to see if you're in a database? does tijuana scan your passport? so i can just buy a fake passport, hammer it a few times to destroy the electronic chips, and use it at a tijuana airport to take a flight abroad?

hey randomOVDB#2 what do you think about this?
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: dotgoat on August 22, 2013, 03:18 am
The way it was explained to me a while back when I traveled abroad was this: Technically you don't need a passport to get on a plane for an international flight.  But when you land in that other country you go through customs where they inspect your passport.  If they don't like it then you can't enter the country.  In practice airlines will check your passport as you board the plane to make sure people have it and in their possession (ie not checked in baggage) as you go through customs before getting your luggage.

When I visited (name of country here) a while back (somewhere between 9-11 in 2001 and 2010) they looked at my passport, typed what I assumed was my passport's id into a computer, asked where I was going and how long the visit was, stamped it and was on my way.  Mine doesn't have an rfid chip in it although it's coming up for renewal soon and I'm sure it will have then.  Guess I'll just buy some lead panels about the size of a passport :)

What I'm getting at is they didn't really do any detailed inspection of the country I was entering.  Coming back though I remember US customs be pretty picky and taking their time.  Man, I've driven into canada before and going into canada they basically just wanted to know where I was going and if I had any guns ('MURICA!), coming back to US I was welcomed with what seemed like an interrogation, having to open my trunk for them to look through it, etc.  Remember last couple trips it again turned in to a similar story on air travel.  I didn't need a passport to drive in to canada, but I required one to come back into US (wtf?) so at the canada customs they made sure we had passports.
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: MuchoBoostin on August 22, 2013, 05:26 pm
Been a few years since I've been across the border to Canada but similar experiences with me. We were supposed to have our BC with us, not all of us did(stupid females, literally the dumbest person I've met). Canada was like hey thats all fine and dandy but good luck on the other side, eh. We kinda chuckled and didn't think anything of it. Coming back..."ok, please pull ahead to garage door #1, it will open as you pull up. Pull all the way inside and shut the vehicle off, they will instruct you from there. Have a nice day." Went through all our shit, brought a dog in that actually didn't alert. We didn't have anything on us at all, but we were daily smokers so the car I'm sure was not "clean".

Had to service a border agents office one day and never even left the country, had a valid customs letter signed from an hour before with the border agent approving and I still got interrogated like a mofo. That time I actually wasn't clean because on long trips I liked to bring my chilm and smoke...wasn't planning on going over the border that day but they sprung it on me when I got up there. I was more than a little nervous. Almost left my backpack on the side of the road to grab later lol
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: bolorolo on August 22, 2013, 07:07 pm
my husband had trouble with his REAL US passport when it had just been run through the washing machine and was slightly bent

they almost didnt let us out of the US, and told us that they couldnt guarantee that the country we were going would let us in. we had a really fun time explaining to each person that looked at his passport what happened, and even though we were legit, we were looked at with scrutiny and almost sent back.

AND his passport scanned properly and matched other government ID

Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: ysdfleklsjd on August 24, 2013, 07:39 am
Technically you don't need a passport to get on a plane for an international flight.  But when you land in that other country you go through customs where they inspect your passport.  If they don't like it then you can't enter the country.

so can i use a fake canadian passport to take a flight from tijuana to sweden?

after i land in sweden, will swedish customs just visually examine my passport? or will they type something into their computer to check if my passport is fake?

if they check my passport using a computer, how will they know it's fake? i mean, does sweden share a passport database with canada? or is there an international database shared by every country that has information on everyone's passports? is that database shared by only first world countries, or specific countries meeting a specific requirement?

this is urgent. if a knowledgeable expat or PT can enlighten me with the answers to these questions, i will be forever grateful.
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: jase00 on August 24, 2013, 08:12 am
spain and italy both have no customs when you arrive... atleast they didn't when I was there..
Edinburgh in scotland didn't either.... but yeah the tricky part would be leaving the country...
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: ysdfleklsjd on August 24, 2013, 08:33 am
Technically you don't need a passport to get on a plane for an international flight.

are you talking about tijuana or usa?

because at all usa airports you need to show your passport at the airline check-in counter, and also during departure.
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: ysdfleklsjd on August 24, 2013, 08:40 am
can you leave the country without your passport needing to be in a database?
No.

do all countries of the world share the same passport database?
Title: Re: can you take a flight out of the USA on a fake passport?
Post by: dotgoat on August 24, 2013, 04:49 pm
Technically you don't need a passport to get on a plane for an international flight.

are you talking about tijuana or usa?

because at all usa airports you need to show your passport at the airline check-in counter, and also during departure.

usa, and admittedly a few years ago (was still after 911 though).  I was talking to someone or overheard someone in line (to board the plane) ahead of me and the flight teller was the one that said you don't need a passport to leave here (usa) but you will have to have for where you are going (purposely not saying).  And all she did was basically look at the passport, look at me (assuming to verify the picture), and said enjoy your flight.