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Title: Anyone ever heard of the hallucinogen, Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, or BZ for short?
Post by: Rent0n on April 07, 2013, 03:59 am
apparently BZ was tested by the US Government just as LSD was on the public without their knowledge... i did a little web search a week ago and found out it is supposedly 100X stronger than LSD (10 micrograms active dose or something like that) and it lasts 3-4 days with after effects lasting a month or so. this is the strongest hallucinogen known to man but it is so crazy (terrifying hallucinations and thought processes) that it could be considered a WMD.

i just found this interesting cus im sure most people have never heard of BZ. if you guys look it up or heard some crazy stories about it, id love to hear what you go. peace and love
Title: Re: Anyone ever heard of the hallucinogen, Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, or BZ for short?
Post by: astor on April 07, 2013, 04:39 am
Yep, it was tested as part of the MK-ULTRA program, but the "on the unwitting public" tends to be exaggerated. They only did that in two brothels for a limited time. Mostly they performed tests on mental patients in psychiatric hospitals.
Title: Re: Anyone ever heard of the hallucinogen, Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, or BZ for short?
Post by: eddiethegun on April 07, 2013, 05:20 am
If i recall correctly BZ is an anticholinergic "deliriant" along the lines of datura. Or to put it another way, you don't want no part of that shit.
Title: Re: Anyone ever heard of the hallucinogen, Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, or BZ for short?
Post by: Jediknight on April 07, 2013, 05:31 am
A Hollywood movie called, Jacobs Ladder. Is all a out this.
Title: Re: Anyone ever heard of the hallucinogen, Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, or BZ for short?
Post by: Jediknight on April 07, 2013, 05:34 am
From what I remember, according to the movie , - a LSD chemist got busted in california during viet nam war.  He was punished to join the army and assist with chemistry . 

This LSD chemist worked with others to develop BZ .  In the end the soldiers it was given to , started killing each other instead of the enemy.  There was a few survivors .

Title: Re: Anyone ever heard of the hallucinogen, Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, or BZ for short?
Post by: Jediknight on April 07, 2013, 05:37 am
From what I remember, according to the movie , - a LSD chemist got busted in california during viet nam war.  He was punished to join the army and assist with chemistry . 

This LSD chemist worked with others to develop BZ .  In the end the soldiers it was given to , started killing each other instead of the enemy.  There was a few survivors .
Title: Re: Anyone ever heard of the hallucinogen, Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, or BZ for short?
Post by: thyme on April 07, 2013, 08:11 am
Eddie's right, as usual, it was a deliriant, not a hallucinogen.
links break: edited, look it up. New Yorker.
very brief excerpt - it is a 5 page article, it's too long to c/p here, but it's good -
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After receiving a security clearance, Ketchum was told that EA 2277 was 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate, or BZ—a pharmaceutical, intended as an ulcer therapy, that was rejected after tests found it unsuitable. Infinitesimal amounts could send people into total mental disorder. BZ is an anticholinergic, similar to atropine or scopolamine, which are used in medicine today. At high doses, such drugs trigger delirium—a dreamlike insanity usually forgotten after it subsides. Sim, one of the first doctors to try BZ, later proclaimed that it “zonked” him for three days. “I kept falling down,” he said. “The people at the lab assigned someone to follow me around with a mattress.”
Title: Re: Anyone ever heard of the hallucinogen, Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, or BZ for short?
Post by: Spiral Eyes on April 07, 2013, 06:00 pm
It's been about 20 years, but I think I remember reading that BZ, along with LSD, were being tested by the government in 60's in hopes of developing a " truth serum " . With the cold war and the threat of spies, US needed a way to make people tell the truth. These days, I think we just find water boarding to be more cost effective to the tax payer.  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone ever heard of the hallucinogen, Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, or BZ for short?
Post by: moonflower on April 07, 2013, 10:42 pm
Eddie's right, as usual, it was a deliriant, not a hallucinogen.

hxxp://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/12/17/121217fa_fact_khatchadourian?currentPage=all
very brief excerpt - it is a 5 page article, it's too long to c/p here, but it's good -
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After receiving a security clearance, Ketchum was told that EA 2277 was 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate, or BZ—a pharmaceutical, intended as an ulcer therapy, that was rejected after tests found it unsuitable. Infinitesimal amounts could send people into total mental disorder. BZ is an anticholinergic, similar to atropine or scopolamine, which are used in medicine today. At high doses, such drugs trigger delirium—a dreamlike insanity usually forgotten after it subsides. Sim, one of the first doctors to try BZ, later proclaimed that it “zonked” him for three days. “I kept falling down,” he said. “The people at the lab assigned someone to follow me around with a mattress.”
it's actually both. deliriants are a class of hallucinogen.
Title: Re: Anyone ever heard of the hallucinogen, Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, or BZ for short?
Post by: Rent0n on April 08, 2013, 12:28 am
THANKS TO WHOEVER GAVE ME  -1 KARMA... ALL I DID WAS ASK A QUESTION ABOUT A TOPIC I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT...

I KNOW KARMA DONT MEAN MUCH BUT STILL... WHATS UP WITH THAT?
Title: Re: Anyone ever heard of the hallucinogen, Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, or BZ for short?
Post by: thyme on April 08, 2013, 01:12 am
it's actually both. deliriants are a class of hallucinogen.
[dopeslap to back of own head] Excellent point, thank you :)

Edited as the forum will be withering and I won't be here to answer questions.
Title: Re: Anyone ever heard of the hallucinogen, Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, or BZ for short?
Post by: Twelve_Pickles on April 08, 2013, 12:08 pm
THANKS TO WHOEVER GAVE ME  -1 KARMA... ALL I DID WAS ASK A QUESTION ABOUT A TOPIC I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT...

I KNOW KARMA DONT MEAN MUCH BUT STILL... WHATS UP WITH THAT?

I have just +1'd you; just for asking questions =]
Title: Re: Anyone ever heard of the hallucinogen, Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, or BZ for short?
Post by: Rent0n on April 08, 2013, 01:24 pm
THANKS TO WHOEVER GAVE ME  -1 KARMA... ALL I DID WAS ASK A QUESTION ABOUT A TOPIC I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT...

I KNOW KARMA DONT MEAN MUCH BUT STILL... WHATS UP WITH THAT?

I have just +1'd you; just for asking questions =]

thanks for ballancing me out ;)

and thanks to everyone for posting information on this topic... its a great read!