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Title: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: supershred on February 24, 2013, 03:17 am
Sorry if this is the wrong forum but figured it'd be the best for others to give feedback :)

I've only ever tried ecstasy in pill form (was the goods, after reading reviews of the same one others figured it contained 100-120mg MDMA per pill) and I slept beautifully afterwards unlike 1 I'd tried previously which kept me up. All in all my question is what would be the difference between taking a capsule you've measured yourself containing 100mg MDMA (pure, ~%85) and taking  a tablet containing a proven ~100mg per pill? Would the MDMA capsule always be the better option?

Thanks! :D
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: nacho on February 24, 2013, 03:46 am
They are the same.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: kirby12 on February 24, 2013, 03:49 am
Mdma crystals or powder is so much better than pressed pills imo.
You can measure out a light dose and go from there with small boosters. You just need a $20-30 digital scale, If it is from a trusted source, then you atleast know what is in it as well. Pressed pills have god knows what in them.  There are so many good mdma vendors on here.
Good luck!!
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: the dude abides on February 24, 2013, 03:51 am
Ah, I've always experienced MDMA the other way round. I've only ever had bombs of pure crystals ground to powder. I've always felt slightly distrustful of pills that get sold at festivals/raves, just because of the mystery of what they'll be cut with. Saying that, I've had friends purchase pills before and have a great time.

As a matter of personal preference, MDMA crystals/powder is a fantastic high and I don't see the need to go with anything else. I would be more inclined, however, to give pills a go now that I'm on SR, as I feel I can trust what I'm getting (or at least more so than on the street). The 'Candy King' capsules I've seen about look quite tempting - MDMA and K combination that sounds like a great roll.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: supershred on February 24, 2013, 03:57 am
Thanks for the replies guys! I was thinking the same thing - plus I'll be capping myself from a trusted seller on SR so can't go wrong if I'm measuring them right :)

@nacho - It isn't the same, the pills may contain ~100mg of MDMA but they also contain fillers and there is no way of knowing what exact fillers are used. There could be fillers to try and prolong a high like amphetamine but I'd much rather pop another capsule of crystal MDMA than taking in amphs.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: PrincessHIGH on February 24, 2013, 04:03 am
For XTC always visit (clearwebalert) pillreports.com there's so much useful information there. If you really want to ensure your mandy is on point, get some marquis reagent to test it, it's quick and easy to do, and works for XTC and crystal. Taking a few pre-roll seconds to conduct a simple test can make all the difference to your night (or day!). Happy and safe rolling everyone :)
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: snark on February 24, 2013, 04:10 am
I used to have a problem finding pressed pills with MDMA as the only active ingredient locally, and seemed to have better luck with the crystal. SR has opened my eyes to lots of these tablets, but it seems more expensive per dose than crystal so I just stick with that. I did have a great experience on only half a pill from emonkey.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: kirby12 on February 24, 2013, 04:28 am
If you are domestic USA, I would recommend cousinmolly, off the wagon, tryptonite.  All three are great vendors but I feel cousinmolly is the cleanest.
 Have fun!! and be safe.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: blahblah1234 on February 24, 2013, 04:36 am
Just a couple thoughts, interested if I am off base here:

Crystallized MDMA (Moon Rocks, Shards etc) contain 15-16% of something to get it into crystal form.  You commonly see 84% pure MDMA as the norm advertised.  This means that 100mg of crystals will get you 84mg of active MDMA.  My understanding is that pills tested in the lab will report back with the amount of active MDMA.  So if ecstasydata dot org says it has 100mg of MDMA, this is 100mg of active MDMA, a decent amount more than the 84 from the crystal.

Also, my understanding of presses is that it helps space out the release of the MDMA into your system, so the new Partyflocks at 200mg MDMA and tested to contain nothing but MDMA, will be like taking 238mg of crystal over a couple hour period depending on the density of the press.

In any event if you buy yourself a good pack of a particular press, you can send one in to ecstasydata dot org and get it tested for a pretty cheap price, around $20 last time I checked.  Not bad.... 

blahblah1234
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: blahblah1234 on February 24, 2013, 04:49 am
Just a couple thoughts, interested if I am off base here:

Crystallized MDMA (Moon Rocks, Shards etc) contain 15-16% of something to get it into crystal form.  You commonly see 84% pure MDMA as the norm advertised.  This means that 100mg of crystals will get you 84mg of active MDMA.  My understanding is that pills tested in the lab will report back with the amount of active MDMA.  So if ecstasydata dot org says it has 100mg of MDMA, this is 100mg of active MDMA, a decent amount more than the 84 from the crystal.

Also, my understanding of presses is that it helps space out the release of the MDMA into your system, so the new Partyflocks at 200mg MDMA and tested to contain nothing but MDMA, will be like taking 238mg of crystal over a couple hour period depending on the density of the press.

In any event if you buy yourself a good pack of a particular press, you can send one in to ecstasydata dot org and get it tested for a pretty cheap price, around $20 last time I checked.  Not bad.... 

blahblah1234

I forgot to mention that it is wise to get some test kits and test it.  dancesafe dot org sells some so does a company called EZ test.  You can see if you are coming across some of the most common adulterants if you do it right.

I am not sure that getting crystal or powder MDMA doesn't expose you to the possibility of either being adulterated just as much as pills.  Street dealers for sure are passing off several research chemicals as "Molly"....

blahlblah1234
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: iliketurtles on February 24, 2013, 07:34 am
About 4-5 years ago I was doing pills every weekend or two for about 12 months. I found that pills gave me more of a rush than pure MDMA crystal that I've tried. I've come to the conclusion that a lot of ecstasy pills are pressed with speed and/or caffeine. I have a music festival coming up and will be testing 75mg mdma/25mg speed caps -- looking very forward to it!

Also, don't forget that a lot of people (including myself) drink alcohol at the same time as doing pills so that can effect the results. I know when I've done pure MDMA, I didn't drink (anywhere near as much) alcohol, but when doing pills I would be going out to get drunk/fucked up.

What do I prefer? Well, I can't tell you until I try the speed/mdma combo this coming weekend!
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: XxWINxX94x23 on February 24, 2013, 08:02 am
My clientele find the pressed pills to be more enjoyable. As a seller of MDMA products, this frustrates me because MDMA is far more easier to ship than pressed pills. Also there are better deals to be had on the mandy itself, if I'm not mistaken. My thoughts on the pills being better amount to the fact that the hard pills metabolize slower, therefore last longer and take longer to absorb. Rather than, a capsule of molly which possibly gets absorbed in a shorter overall time.

What I cannot explain though, is that even the pressed pills on SR that have been labratory tested to contain only MDMA, somehow cause my friends to have a more energized roll, compared to the molly in capsules.

Again this frustrates me because honestly I enjoy both, but one sells better than the other.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: tramonym on February 24, 2013, 10:27 am
I am also interested in this topic. I did pills some years ago for some time.  Crystal molly only once during holidays (combined with charlie) so I am not that experienced.

What I can say for sure is the pills effect shows up in "rushes" or "waves". The crystal was more smooth and I did not experience these "waves". However this might also be related on being with Charlie at the same time but from what I read in this thread others seem to share the same experience.

So when substance is the same but effects are different this surely has something to do with the form (pressed vs. loose). Can also imaging that the pressed form delivers substance over longer period of time since stomach has to break it down first before coming to bloodstream.

However should the loose form of crystal not lead into one "big rush" since all substance is processed at once (stomach does not have to break it down first?)
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: blahblah1234 on February 24, 2013, 03:44 pm
I refer to MDA as Mandy.  I have heard others call MDMA Mandy also but I like to specifically differentiate between MDMA and MDA and be consistent in my female pet names I tag them with.  Oh yeah, LSD = Lucy of course.

blahblah1234
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: elmerjfudd on February 24, 2013, 03:59 pm
Could the pills be preferred for the confidence factor as well?  no muss no fuss just down the hatch and you're off.


Also have only ever done pills because that's what I had access to and quite frankly not sure what to do with the crystal?  I know I could do the research but since this is a MDMA thread.  How do you use the Crystal and what dose?
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: ChiefMaster on February 24, 2013, 05:15 pm
ive been digging some presses lately 8)
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: fourthDVD on February 24, 2013, 05:45 pm
I make my own pills using capsuls from vitamin store.  Just break them apart and empty the herbal stuff and put in the dosage you want.  Easy as that!  Then you know what is in the pill!!
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: PrincessHIGH on February 24, 2013, 06:54 pm
I make my own pills using capsuls from vitamin store.  Just break them apart and empty the herbal stuff and put in the dosage you want.  Easy as that!  Then you know what is in the pill!!
You can save yourself the expense of the herbal stuff, most health/supplement shops sell empty gelatin/vegetarian capsules, just ask, loads of places sell them online too, they're very cheap just saw 100 for £3.97 (approx $6.03). If anyone is considering capping their mandy for the first time, I recommend you get a small funnel (I find it a lot less fiddly), weigh the cap first, then zero the scale, add the mdma, and reweigh, you get a very accurate dose this way :)
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: blahblah1234 on February 25, 2013, 01:23 am
Could the pills be preferred for the confidence factor as well?  no muss no fuss just down the hatch and you're off.


Also have only ever done pills because that's what I had access to and quite frankly not sure what to do with the crystal?  I know I could do the research but since this is a MDMA thread.  How do you use the Crystal and what dose?

Like PrincessHIGH says, get the veggie caps that are empty.  Weigh out the dosage and fill er up.  You could also dissolve in a drink, on your tongue etc, but it tastes like crap and the taste stays in your mouth a long time so swallowing it in the capsule makes sense.

For dosages, I have seen recommended and use the following.  1.5mg - 2mg of MDMA per kg of body weight.  If you weigh yourself in pounds, divide your weight by 2.2 to get kg then multiply by your chosen strength.  1.5 mg/kg is a good starting point if you aren't sure.  Maybe if this is your first time, do an little taste test, make sure you aren't allergic.  Get 1mg/kg to gauge product strength and next time go for the gusto!

I zero the scale with a piece of paper on it, weigh the dosage out on the scale, then funnel it into the veggie cap.

blahblah1234
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: popekrak on February 25, 2013, 01:52 am
 crystals, too many crap pills you can make my own dosed gellatin caps!

mt friend  started with .1 and rolled for 5 hours or so first time
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: blahblah1234 on February 25, 2013, 02:46 am
.1 is a decent dose for a 150lb person.  If you are lighter or heavier, adjust.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: siberian345 on February 25, 2013, 03:11 am
crystal.. people are more amazed by it too.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: dex on February 25, 2013, 03:34 am
Crystals are better because I can put them up my nose
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: upperlevel1 on February 25, 2013, 04:49 am
I make my own pills using capsuls from vitamin store.  Just break them apart and empty the herbal stuff and put in the dosage you want.  Easy as that!  Then you know what is in the pill!!

I do the same  :D
put 120mg tested mdma and enjoy. I also find pressed pills are harder to get rid of then capped "molly".
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: iheartmolly on February 25, 2013, 06:46 am
Personally. All the pills I ever tried seem to always be cut by some trace amounts of amphetamines or meth. I prefer molly, sometimes tan. I have a tester kit that I use to test it. Mecke , Marquis, and Simon Regents.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: iliketurtles on February 25, 2013, 07:57 am
I've actually purchased some amphetamine for this weekend along with mdma crystals. What do you guys think would be the best ratio? I know, it's more neurotoxic but I don't want to be smacked the fuck around by the amazing molly, I want a bit of energy so I'm thinking 100mg MDMA and 20-25mg of speed? I'm going to a music festival and will be dropping at around midday, and will drop again at around 3pm or 4pm I think. What happens after that really depends on how I'm travelling! Any advice/feedback is appreciated :)
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: rext12 on February 25, 2013, 08:10 am
I've actually purchased some amphetamine for this weekend along with mdma crystals. What do you guys think would be the best ratio? I know, it's more neurotoxic but I don't want to be smacked the fuck around by the amazing molly, I want a bit of energy so I'm thinking 100mg MDMA and 20-25mg of speed? I'm going to a music festival and will be dropping at around midday, and will drop again at around 3pm or 4pm I think. What happens after that really depends on how I'm travelling! Any advice/feedback is appreciated :)

Be careful with the mix, it can be taxing on your heart.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: supershred on February 25, 2013, 12:51 pm
Can someone please explain to me the differences between how they are produced? Right now I see listings that are either white powder, tan powder or dark brown crystal type shards. Most (if not all) are saying 80-85% purity also.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: blahblah1234 on February 25, 2013, 12:57 pm
I've actually purchased some amphetamine for this weekend along with mdma crystals. What do you guys think would be the best ratio? I know, it's more neurotoxic but I don't want to be smacked the fuck around by the amazing molly, I want a bit of energy so I'm thinking 100mg MDMA and 20-25mg of speed? I'm going to a music festival and will be dropping at around midday, and will drop again at around 3pm or 4pm I think. What happens after that really depends on how I'm travelling! Any advice/feedback is appreciated :)

Totally depends on:

1.  Male or Female, females are more sensitive to MDMA so less is required.
2.  Weight, my previous post explains that this is based on body weight, find your right mg/kg!
3.  Your tolerance and experience with each.

Have you ever done 20-25mg of speed before?  If you have taken both and want to combine, take a smaller amount of each at the same time.  OR better yet, take the molly, see where you are at, and add a little of whatever you need.

Also - caffeine is a common addition to MDMA and does give you some extra energy...

stay safe!

blahblah1234
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: supershred on March 02, 2013, 04:08 am
So will 200mg MDMA in a capsule always be much better than a 100-150mg pressed pill?
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: mondomax on March 02, 2013, 04:13 am
If you know whats in the pill, then mdma is mdma. The issue that comes up is alot of time not knowing whats in the pill. I never saw powder for a long time and when I started using LA was in a golden era where most of the pills were bomb. But since then I've had a few shitty pills. If your source is good and you know whats in the pill, there is no difference. Good luck with that though depending on where you are.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: n0p on March 02, 2013, 04:37 am
My clientele find the pressed pills to be more enjoyable. As a seller of MDMA products, this frustrates me because MDMA is far more easier to ship than pressed pills. Also there are better deals to be had on the mandy itself, if I'm not mistaken. My thoughts on the pills being better amount to the fact that the hard pills metabolize slower, therefore last longer and take longer to absorb. Rather than, a capsule of molly which possibly gets absorbed in a shorter overall time.

What I cannot explain though, is that even the pressed pills on SR that have been labratory tested to contain only MDMA, somehow cause my friends to have a more energized roll, compared to the molly in capsules.

Again this frustrates me because honestly I enjoy both, but one sells better than the other.

Proper MDMA or MDA pills add some caffeine to boost the uptake. The MDxx (never mdma) pills I get these days are cut with Meth instead.so no sleep till the night of the next day for me.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: supershred on March 02, 2013, 10:57 am
I'm talking about ~85% pure MDMA crystals cut up, measured out to 200-250mg and taken via capsule as opposed to a tablet (Australian grade). Will the capsule with 200-250mg of MDMA only always trump a pressed pill?
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: thumbprintfluff on March 02, 2013, 11:27 am
Never did/came across molly but done x pills about 4 times. Not too impressed. I'd pick meth over it. Bout the same high anywway with shorter duration with X.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: supershred on March 02, 2013, 11:41 am
Did you just say Meth has the same high as MDMA? ..........da fuck? Anyways back on topic please, others make your own thread instead of taking mine off topic please.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: supershred on March 02, 2013, 07:00 pm
Bumpin'
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: ShitLicker on March 02, 2013, 08:47 pm
Just a couple thoughts, interested if I am off base here:

Crystallized MDMA (Moon Rocks, Shards etc) contain 15-16% of something to get it into crystal form.  You commonly see 84% pure MDMA as the norm advertised.  This means that 100mg of crystals will get you 84mg of active MDMA.  My understanding is that pills tested in the lab will report back with the amount of active MDMA.  So if ecstasydata dot org says it has 100mg of MDMA, this is 100mg of active MDMA, a decent amount more than the 84 from the crystal.

Also, my understanding of presses is that it helps space out the release of the MDMA into your system, so the new Partyflocks at 200mg MDMA and tested to contain nothing but MDMA, will be like taking 238mg of crystal over a couple hour period depending on the density of the press.

In any event if you buy yourself a good pack of a particular press, you can send one in to ecstasydata dot org and get it tested for a pretty cheap price, around $20 last time I checked.  Not bad.... 

blahblah1234

I think the other 16% is Epsom Salts
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: x24x24x on March 06, 2013, 09:43 am
So if you get the big rocks and want to put them in a capsule, what's the best way to crush it down? Especially if you wanted to do it on a mass scale?
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: cake on March 06, 2013, 10:58 am
I've actually purchased some amphetamine for this weekend along with mdma crystals. What do you guys think would be the best ratio? I know, it's more neurotoxic but I don't want to be smacked the fuck around by the amazing molly, I want a bit of energy so I'm thinking 100mg MDMA and 20-25mg of speed? I'm going to a music festival and will be dropping at around midday, and will drop again at around 3pm or 4pm I think. What happens after that really depends on how I'm travelling! Any advice/feedback is appreciated :)

That sounds sensible enough. A few of my friends have a similar routine and manage 8 hours through the night that way.

I don't like feeling too amped up so thus far in my druggy routine I just stick with the mdma. I notice more of its amphetamine effects when I surpass 120mg. So if I want more intensity I go to about 140mg. This is what I like about getting pure instead of pills, I can really tailor my dosing to what I want.

If you want to extend your peak of MDMA I would take *half* your initial dose 90 minutes after you've taken your first. It intensifies it a little but definitely makes it last longer. I think it's better than starting to come down and having to take a full dose again.  If I'm out all night I take 120mg, 90 minutes later 60mg, 2-3 hours after that 100mg. Then I tend to switch to a sativa dominant weed, which brings back a lot of the high, particularly in body. Occasionally I'll drop another 100mg but I notice significant cognitive impairment if I do that. Maybe one day I'll go the speed bump route instead.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: MrAnonymous on March 06, 2013, 03:14 pm
so Molly & Mandy Are One & The Same?

Similarly.my weed buyers prefer their weed separated and bulky more than pressed, even if the pressed is 25% heavier.

100mg of MDMA in powder/crystal form is the same as 100mg in pill form.

Pills often have a different high because there are other drugs thrown in the mix.
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: bateman on March 06, 2013, 03:47 pm
Molly & Mandy are the same.

I would much rather get off my tits on Molly than pills - mainly due to the fact pills send me into a spiral of depression on the comedown!
Title: Re: Pure MDMA vs Pills
Post by: supershred on March 06, 2013, 04:27 pm
Molly & Mandy are the same.

I would much rather get off my tits on Molly than pills - mainly due to the fact pills send me into a spiral of depression on the comedown!

Which high is better and why? I've only tried reputable tablets here .