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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: Eternal Sunshine on April 17, 2013, 08:47 am

Title: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Eternal Sunshine on April 17, 2013, 08:47 am
Reason 1: it's plain stupid because even the most experienced SR users are forced to spam.

Reason 2: this is already the biggest forum with and on the long term will be costing the admin a lot of money (bandwidth). Topics of thousands of pages with useless posts.....

I have a very serious issue with a vendor and I can't even report it on the forum because of this!

Feel free to add any reason bellow. 

Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Eternal Sunshine on April 17, 2013, 08:59 am
bump ^
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Eternal Sunshine on April 17, 2013, 09:30 am
Also pretty funny NEWBIE"s can't post on the support forums...
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: JeanRob on April 17, 2013, 09:34 am
I agree, Eternal Sunshine, that the 50 post limit is ridiculous. I also have issues with certain sellers, but this forum is not the best place to raise that sort of issue.

I hope that SR Admin will reconsider the policy, or at least provide a mechanism that would permit waivers of the limit for good cause.

JeanRob
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Countdown2013 on April 17, 2013, 09:40 am
mmm atleast remove the limit for vendors , I have to post 50 times just to make a review thread!
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Razorspyne on April 17, 2013, 09:52 am
The rule is not plain stupid, though the persistent decision to not inform newbies of the reasoning for this via a pinned topic is plain stupid.

+K this page.

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: tictac on April 17, 2013, 09:54 am
do it
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Eternal Sunshine on April 17, 2013, 10:38 am
Congrats on the 50 tictac!
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: discodave on April 17, 2013, 10:51 am
I can understand to some degree but not 50 posts.

I have spent thousands on SR over the last 5 months and I am having issues with a vendor who wont answer my questions.
I would like to post on his review thread. Not to slate him but ask other people who have dealt with him if this is the norm and is there any need to worry?

Maybe posts should be lower than 50 or go on other things aswell such as money spent, time registered to name a few.
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Kadishtu on April 17, 2013, 11:04 am
If i remember correctly one of the main reasons for this 50 posts rule was shit loads of spam threads, generated by some spam bots. I can understand that but honestly it doesn`t work properly because there is still many spam threads. Admins MUST find another solution for this problem.  ???
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: I_have_questions on April 17, 2013, 11:26 am
+1, I used to be able to post in the rumour mill.
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: JeanRob on April 17, 2013, 11:31 am
Yes, the decision to require 50 posts was probably well thought out and yes, there are likely some good reasons.

But, as Razorspyne points out, the actual reason for the policy is a closely guarded secret. So, what the hell, we "Newbies" may as well speculate to our hearts content. [i.e., "we need to let Newbies be randomly exposed to the frauds and unscrupulous vendors on SR to increase the commissions SR admin makes off of all sales," or "we can't let the Newbies make more posts than Sr. Members or SR Vendors, otherwise we will have to invent more and more honorary titles like 'Senior Grand Wizard _____' or  'Grand Pubah of the Road ____' "]

I agree with discodave, that besides 50 posts, the privilege to post in the other forums could also be based on number of transactions, money spent, or length of time since first registering.

I suppose, in defense of the limitation, I have seen some damned moronic, illiterate, and just plain stupid posts (a whole lot like the rest of the internet). But doesn't the 50 post limit just encourage more of the same? But, I guess I can live with it.

After spending thousands and being registered longer than many of the SR administrators, I only recently had any use for the forums. Generally, when I've had problems on the road, the SR admins have resolved my disputes fairly without any need to publicly bitch about it. Hell, if I keep this up, I'll be at 50 in no time.

JeanRob
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: siniztriker on April 17, 2013, 12:27 pm
no leave it there, it was to funny getting to 50, really, i promise!  ::)
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Razorspyne on April 17, 2013, 12:43 pm
It can't be any less than 50 guys, it's either 50 or 0 (like we had before mid January). 50 is the minimum admin have specified for Junior Member. It is set on the member level, not the post count. But b/c 50 is the minimum set in Silk Road forum's SMF Global Settings then you assume it;s 50 posts, but that;s not really the issue though.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=116905.msg794510#msg794510

.... b/c there's only so many times you can write this. Hope this explains the reasoning.

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Eternal Sunshine on April 17, 2013, 12:54 pm
Yes, i've seen spam issues. But having a post limit only delays that problem. There should be a better solution for this. Now i'm forced to post crap just to be able to create a topic in the rumor mill that i'm sure will help some people. People who are losing money or are being scammed right now! Yeah I could post it on this forum but topics are being pushed down on a very fast pace, so it would be missed and anyway, the newbie forum shouldn't be a newbie rumor mill.

Can't you implement a system (i guess the module will already exist) that allow users to mark topics as spam and after a few "spam" markings, the topic gets automatically removed. A few moderators won't solve the spam problem, but the community members who are here to contribute will.
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: mickymisseri on April 17, 2013, 01:04 pm
so annoying
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Eternal Sunshine on April 17, 2013, 01:10 pm
Two alternative aproaches (clearnet warning) for the SMF where

http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1523

A mod which combines the spam topics automatically so they can be easily removed by the moderators

http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=2404

A mod which would not allow users of a specific group (newbies for example) to posts links.

I suggest you just check out database usage and look at what the newbie's forum is doing to the server ;)

There is also an issue with the image verification since it only changes one character after you enter it wrong. Not that effective against spam bots.
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Razorspyne on April 17, 2013, 01:56 pm
Yes, i've seen spam issues. But having a post limit only delays that problem. There should be a better solution for this. Now i'm forced to post crap just to be able to create a topic in the rumor mill that i'm sure will help some people. People who are losing money or are being scammed right now! Yeah I could post it on this forum but topics are being pushed down on a very fast pace, so it would be missed and anyway, the newbie forum shouldn't be a newbie rumor mill.

PrincessHIGH can re-post reviews from the newbie section to the regular section of forums. Merely tell her where you want the review and state up the top that you give her permission to re-post it. I tried looking for the addy but I couldn't find it, so I will ask her later for it.

Can't you implement a system (i guess the module will already exist) that allow users to mark topics as spam and after a few "spam" markings, the topic gets automatically removed. A few moderators won't solve the spam problem, but the community members who are here to contribute will.

I'm afraid that users will abuse a system like this by marking as spam topics they don;'t like, or topics from other member they don't like. This happens all the time. This could result in very important threads disappearing, like the h3ЯØ|n Vendors thread (most highly replied thread, and currently 17,215 pages long) or +KARMA thread (also high traffic, and currently 288 pages long).

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.

[Edit. If you already have a review, I could post it for you as well, if she's not available.]
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Razorspyne on April 17, 2013, 02:12 pm
Two alternative aproaches (clearnet warning) for the SMF where

http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1523

A mod which combines the spam topics automatically so they can be easily removed by the moderators

http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=2404

A mod which would not allow users of a specific group (newbies for example) to posts links.

I suggest you just check out database usage and look at what the newbie's forum is doing to the server ;)

There is also an issue with the image verification since it only changes one character after you enter it wrong. Not that effective against spam bots.

............. um, I am careful to keep those kinds of links off Silk Road forums as this is the wrong place for them, I have looked at this section of the forum myself in search of the same thing. (Also, one would wonder if you could merge more than 2, that would be a ***great*** idea for this site. I spoke to someone on this forum and he said it would be too computationally demanding to implement, therefore many forums do not do this, but that it would be possible to make a code for identical key words and limit them to a single post, which would be the same thing here, except more effective.) Not a good idea to mix these two forums....

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Eternal Sunshine on April 18, 2013, 09:26 pm
^
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: monicabarratt on April 18, 2013, 09:41 pm
Yup, the policy could be removed or amended down to 10 posts? I'm sure there would be some manageable options involving policing of real spamming from community members.
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: ciaobingo on April 18, 2013, 10:22 pm
the spam posts were more annoying, to me anyways, coming back to find this new rule has inspired me to think a little more before I post too.

Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: anonymous drug user on April 19, 2013, 01:58 am
I think there has to be a better way to do it. Maybe verification to an account on the silk road. I dont know, on paper that actually sounds iffy.

Bringing up the bandwidth issue is pertinent though. The 50 (at least) page views per person will suck up some dollar, that's for sure
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: surmer on April 19, 2013, 02:00 am
COUNTER PETITION: stfu
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: leavesbrown on April 19, 2013, 02:10 am
50 posts is essential otherwise all the other forums would be full of spam and bots. SR forums understandable get a LOT of attention from spammers

Suck it up and post shite for a day or so until you can prove you're a human.
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: tfag22 on April 19, 2013, 02:11 am
no scammers is to lazy to do it so its good
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: anonypunk on April 19, 2013, 02:16 am
yeah its bs but it is what it is
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: surmer on April 19, 2013, 02:22 am
COUNTER PETITION: stfu
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: WigerToods on April 19, 2013, 02:59 am
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Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Patticake on April 19, 2013, 03:08 am
Even if you're forced to post crap, it gives you time to think about replying quickly and badly to a particular post or giving incorrect reviews. Admin can also make a judgement based on your 50 posts in case of an issue that crops up. If you make 50 quick spam posts and then go on to either heavily praise or heavily hammer another poster or merchant, admin can look at your history and decide if they think you're being unfair. If you've built up a score of 50 over a number of weeks and added to the community, your word is more likely to be trusted.

Lastly it actually gives you time to get in touch with the community, to get a feel for what it's all about. So yeah it's a pain in the butt but hey, in the long run it build a more responsible user. My advice, do some spam and some posts that either help or contribute
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: jamseyboy1 on April 21, 2013, 01:23 am
its great their is a limit but 50 is to high i think 30 is a reasonable limit
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: jjandall on April 21, 2013, 01:28 am
The limit is fucked.. I've used SR for a year, finally go to use the forum and I'm spamming it haha.

Can't there be an exemption if your forum name is exactly the same as your SR name and you aren't a douche?
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Countdown2013 on April 21, 2013, 01:44 am
Even vendors aren't exempt :(
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Fah-Q on April 21, 2013, 01:50 am
Pretty stupid, I think. I've been her since Nov. '11. I don't know how I became a noob :-\
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Everdred on April 21, 2013, 03:53 am
Signed. My account is even old enough that I have posts outside the newbie forum...
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: AGardener on April 21, 2013, 03:57 am
Yeah 50 posts considering how slow TOR is to begin with plus the verification is overkill for filtering out spammers. It also holds a slight bit of irony as most people will spam there way through the system that is supposed to weed out spammers.
Title: Re: PETITION: Remove the 50 POST limit.
Post by: Everdred on April 21, 2013, 04:23 am

ALL YOU NOOBS WILL GET RIPPED AND DIE AND EAT SHIT ESPECIALLY YOU EVERDRED

Thanks buddy. And you wonder why you have negative karma...