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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: njguido on March 13, 2013, 05:43 am

Title: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: njguido on March 13, 2013, 05:43 am
This isn't relative to me, but i've seen people on here and SR say that they've gotten love letters inside of the original packaging of their orders (minus the contraband of course).

Now this is just my humble opinion, but if LE were pursuing any kind of charges, wouldn't they want to keep the envelope, as it is evidence? Or perhaps a counterfeit love letter issued by a vendor?

Just wondering what people thought of it....Proceed with conspiracy theories  ;D
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: nanpa2001 on March 13, 2013, 05:46 am
Scam for certain.

Instead of filling the package with drugs, just put the customs letter there. LOL.
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: MrAnonymous on March 13, 2013, 12:26 pm
Scam for certain.

Instead of filling the package with drugs, just put the customs letter there. LOL.

My thoughts exactly.. LE will not send you the package if confiscated. It's all evidence.
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: tango on March 13, 2013, 01:39 pm
They will if the package contains other items in there.
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: NW Nugz on March 14, 2013, 05:48 am
If it is not a vendor scam of some sort and you do get the original packaging, I'd feel safer that they were not bothering to follow up further on that particular shipment. I think they would need to save the package as evidence if they were going to try to prosecute. Saving stuff and making up a new letter to send (with new postage) is more effort/expense for LE than tossing a form letter into the existing shipment. They might input the addresses into a computer system for future trouble-making though.
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: XXXotica on March 14, 2013, 12:01 pm
Yea, that doesnt sound right.
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: mito on March 14, 2013, 01:54 pm
If it is not a vendor scam of some sort and you do get the original packaging, I'd feel safer that they were not bothering to follow up further on that particular shipment. I think they would need to save the package as evidence if they were going to try to prosecute. Saving stuff and making up a new letter to send (with new postage) is more effort/expense for LE than tossing a form letter into the existing shipment. They might input the addresses into a computer system for future trouble-making though.

Exactly my thoughts.

For small amounts I believe they will simply confiscate the contraband and not pursue the matter further, not worth their time.

But perhaps your address is in their database now......
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: Mr. Fluffles Schrodinger on March 14, 2013, 07:30 pm
If it is not a vendor scam of some sort and you do get the original packaging, I'd feel safer that they were not bothering to follow up further on that particular shipment. I think they would need to save the package as evidence if they were going to try to prosecute. Saving stuff and making up a new letter to send (with new postage) is more effort/expense for LE than tossing a form letter into the existing shipment. They might input the addresses into a computer system for future trouble-making though.

Exactly my thoughts.

For small amounts I believe they will simply confiscate the contraband and not pursue the matter further, not worth their time.

But perhaps your address is in their database now......

Aren't all of our addresses in their databases? :P

I have often wondered just how many addresses they have to keep up with.  how many of them have been flagged?  And do they flag the address or the people living there?  Seems like a lot and almost impossible to keep up with, considering how much people move around.
If they flag the address itself, you should check out previous tenants before you move into a place if you are going to use that addy for the road.
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: tango on March 14, 2013, 10:34 pm
I'm sure its just an ever growing database.

And I think all they would need is suspicion to contain something prohibited, and for it to be linked to a previous address that has had something seize.

I think that alone is enough for them to open it.
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: Ron Swanson on March 15, 2013, 01:13 am
sure i've heard of this happening when people mail themselves naughtiness from amsterdam. that or the package just shows up empty. you think these people are scamming themselves? ;)
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: njguido on March 15, 2013, 01:30 am
Not to get horribly off-topic, but I see this word thrown around so much and there's no clear cut answer or method as to what actually happens;

"Flagged"

Lets just say customs has intercepted your party favors, how does this "flag" work?  Is it a simple entry into a computer database? Or does it stop actually prompt them to (somehow) single out your drop address for future incoming mail from overseas? The latter doesn't seem feasible to me, but then again I know very little about how they play the game...
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: DrChong on March 15, 2013, 10:47 am
Scam for certain.

Instead of filling the package with drugs, just put the customs letter there. LOL.
But if a vendor were attempting to scam, he wouldn't have sent the package at all. What he'd do would be to simply send a fake love letter (and only a fake letter) to make it seem as though the package was seized. This would be best done on a really large order to reap the most profits.

Now that I think about it, is there any way to know that the love letter is genuine? What if this has occurred in the past?
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: ProfADaemon on March 15, 2013, 11:32 am
They might input the addresses into a computer system for future trouble-making though.

"Might"? Are you joking? Customs has realtime access to Lexis-Nexis databases to look at the criminal history, employment history, tax records, credit records, phone numbers, previous addresses, etc. and they also have a detailed history of every confiscated parcel, probably with photographs of the packaging, and definitely they record the return address and receiving address. Any time they happen upon a package to you in the future for a random cursory inspection, they can see how shady of a person you are in seconds by searching for you on their computer.
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: NW Nugz on March 17, 2013, 09:18 pm
They might input the addresses into a computer system for future trouble-making though.

"Might"? Are you joking? Customs has realtime access to Lexis-Nexis databases to look at the criminal history, employment history, tax records, credit records, phone numbers, previous addresses, etc. and they also have a detailed history of every confiscated parcel, probably with photographs of the packaging, and definitely they record the return address and receiving address. Any time they happen upon a package to you in the future for a random cursory inspection, they can see how shady of a person you are in seconds by searching for you on their computer.

I agree they can do stuff like that^ in a well-funded/staffed Customs office that does what they can. Maybe US Customs is a well funded and well oiled machine everwhere? I really don't know and like to hope they are underfunded slackers pretending to be^. And, other countries...? I don't do International shipping as I am admittedly ignorant on the subject and happy to hear the opinions/facts of others.
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: NW Nugz on March 17, 2013, 09:21 pm
Scam for certain.

Instead of filling the package with drugs, just put the customs letter there. LOL.
But if a vendor were attempting to scam, he wouldn't have sent the package at all. What he'd do would be to simply send a fake love letter (and only a fake letter) to make it seem as though the package was seized. This would be best done on a really large order to reap the most profits.

Now that I think about it, is there any way to know that the love letter is genuine? What if this has occurred in the past?

I'm sure in any good/scam love letter there will be a number you can call for more info or to check if it is legitimate ;-)
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: slirp on March 18, 2013, 01:38 pm
If you get a legitimate love letter then they decided searching your house wasn't worth their time.  Eventually they are going to destroy the drugs and it is the drugs that are the evidence not the package.

I don't know if these particular love letters were legitimate.
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: badniff on March 18, 2013, 06:58 pm
I think a project "false flag" would be interesting. Sending small amounts of drugs (weed?) with bad stealth to random people, to increase the workload on customs. Sure it would be a waste of weed, but it would be a great prank to pull on them ;) And we might just feel a bit safer afterwards.
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: wwizard on March 18, 2013, 08:12 pm
That could be a good idea but you would a lot of weed and packages to make a difference, so it'd probably not be very cost-effective..
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: Chaosforpeace on March 18, 2013, 08:51 pm
This is the same idea as was in that movie that just came out with the rock, snitch. I could see why it makes sense for them to put the love letter in the package. Because you than can't claim that you wouldn't have opened the package because it wasn't for you.
Title: Re: love letter inside of original order packaging?
Post by: njguido on March 19, 2013, 02:08 am
Because you than can't claim that you wouldn't have opened the package because it wasn't for you.

Definitely one of the cons of using the alias method.