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Title: Amphetamine Pros, lend me your ears!
Post by: Caparino on April 13, 2012, 07:47 am
What's the easiest way to change the sulfate paste form into a solid, orally ingest-able form? Also, proportionally, how does the paste/dried paste form stack up against adderall?
Title: Re: Amphetamine Pros, lend me your ears!
Post by: EastofEden on April 13, 2012, 06:39 pm
I can't believe someone hasn't replied to this question already.  I thought there would be a lot of people on here who substitute speed/meth for Adderall in order to alleviate their symptoms of ADHD/ADD-- or from just pure laziness.

Anyways, I'll go ahead and explain my experiences when I used these items to replace my Addys. 

The first part of your question, I wasn't sure if I understood it correctly.  Did you mean that you want to find a way to make the speed paste, which you get from vendors here, into a solid form-- like a pill?  I don't know if I can answer that question to its entirely, but I can tell you what I do in order to provide me with the same effects when I ingest Adderall.

When you order speed paste, the product is wet, so you should always let it dry out in a ventilated area for a day or two.  After this point, some people do an easy flushing process with a coffee filter to remove some impurities and after that, they have to dry the resulting product again.  I tried this a couple of times but I always fuck up the procedure and the yield comes out to be too low. This is due to by ineptitude and I just stopped doing it.  But with the small quantity that I managed to 'purify,'  the product did give a much cleaner high.

Now, let me go into a bit more detail about the impurities, which really is the only difference between Adderall and speed.  The two types of impurities speed are: 1) the stuff that gets left behind from the reagents when you initially make the amphetamine 2)  the stuff vendors/dealers add in order to get more product and increase their profit.

Most times, when you dry out the substance and do the extraction I talked about,  MOST of 1) and  2) goes away and left with a much better powder form of an amphetamine.  This is the closest you will get to it being comparable to Adderall, and if the stuff is great, it might even be BETTER than Adderall.  Moreover, if you know what you are doing, you can also do a reduction plus other stuff to get methamphetamine, which is more potent than amphetamine, but I'm not sure how it works or if I'm correct.  I'll just stick to what I know and what worked for me.

So if I haven't bored you enough already, let me tell you about the impurities in 2). Depending on where you got the product from, I find it's usually some sort of caffeine powder, or an RC stimulant chemical.  Also if you are not careful, some vendors/dealers even add shit like baking soda and ghastly products that are VERY damaging.  But I don't think we have a problem like that on SR, but you can never really know.

I only dry the product out.  From there, I'm left with a texture that feels and looks like dried a dried wasabi paste.  The extraction by flushing, running it through a filter, drying it out again, does give you a better powder form though.  Now if I'm going to use this product that I ONLY dried out for a couple of days, I use it to ingest it, same way as Adderall.  The junk like caffeine power or any type of RC (as long as its not anything deadly), does give me a less potent feeling and increased level of edginess, but I find it to be manageable with the proper dosage and they can even be better than the shitty side effects you get from Adderal like anxiety and OCD symptoms.  I find if you want to use it as a means for studying or getting shit done, always try to ingest it.  If you sniff/IV, you're just getting spun, and as much fun it is, you will increase your tolerance by ten folds and you won't get into the mind set that is vital in doing stuff like studying for exams.  But it does feel better.

So now about turning that speed into hard substance, I'm guessing in order to make it look like pill.  Well, I have no clue how to do that BUT if you look on SR under speed, or search "ICE pills" this is exactly what they've done.  Mind you, they have added other stuff other than amphetamine, and to me, whatever the stuff that's inside it, gave me the worst side effects.  If you are interested, please read the most I made in an another thread talking about it. 

What works for me is, after I dry it out, and then like I said I'm left with this wasabi looking shit.  I cut up small pieces of TP and then add a small amount to start, close it up the best I can by crumpling the sides, and swallow it with water.  This method is called 'parachuting.'  With every new batch, I repeat it, every 20-30 minutes to know what dosage that is equivalent to Adderall.  After I know that, every time I need to work, I put that amount in the TP, take it, and I'm set.  Also it would be a bigger dosage than if you were sniffing it, but also I find the high to be totally different so knowing the proper dosage is vital. Moreover, the purity of what your given changes from vendor to vendor, and batch to batch differs, so it can take a lot more or lot less of the product.

I've also gotten these small empty capsules from the health store, and loaded the dried of speed.  It looks better, and goes down easier, but If you can't get them, the TP thing works or even mixing it inside a non-acidic drink and gulping it down. 

If you do want it to make it into a solid form, I'm pretty sure (not 100%) that you need to add a binder to the paste in order for the elements to stick together.  I'm not sure if you want to add even more stuff just so it can be in a solid form, when it would get you the same high if it wasn't but I'd imagine it would be more convenient.  Or maybe I just interpreted your question wrong, so I apologize in advance if I have. 

Lastly, I want to make a quick distinction with amphetamine and pure crystal methamphetamine.  As you know speed is equal (not exactly equal but a close comparison) to Adderal, and meth is equal (again not the same but close to) to Desoxyn.  I find the meth on SR, if you take ingest small dosage in the same manner I described above, it works even better when I want to study or get things done.  BUT just be warned that the dosage is no where CLOSE to that of speed.  You would need a REALLY small amount (I'm talking 5mg to 10mg) when you ingest it.  And if you switch over, I found that Adderall/speed definitely much weaker. 

Anyways, I hope that helps.
Title: Re: Amphetamine Pros, lend me your ears!
Post by: Caparino on April 13, 2012, 07:48 pm
+1 Karma  ;D You answered every question Eden. Relocated to a new part of the country, new college... Prospective customers! Just preparing for when the semester starts.

P.S. So am I just better off buying the powder form?
Title: Re: Amphetamine Pros, lend me your ears!
Post by: EastofEden on April 14, 2012, 02:00 am
Well this stumped me too when I first was looking at the section.  So after hours of reading this and that, stuff about freebase being better than the salt, or the amphetamine paste having a better purity because of the acid used, etc.....the only thing I've realized is no wonder I failed organic chemistry and had to switch out.  It confuses the shit out of me.   

But again, I'll tell you what worked for me.  Also, I'm going to solely talk about INGESTING it and what works the best when INGESTING it.  You wouldn't imagine the variation this drug takes on when you try to take it through a different route.

Now if you want the straight up details about the workings of it, I suggest you read http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=4750.0 this thread.   More importantly, read everything that 'mseller' says.  He seems like he really knows what he's talking about and I've checked online to make sure that he in deed knows his shit.

You also have to realize that right now, the speed that sells on SR has the largest amount of variation in terms of the quality.  There are types of speed that works the best when you sniff it, and then there are others that are better for ingesting it.  Then people talk about purity this and junk added to that, I just can't make sense of any of it.

But, here is my attempt. Also know, I hate this shit so much that I have to swear when I try to explain it.

You got this amphetamine shit right, the good stuff that does stuff in the brain to make us feel good about working? This amphetamine in its PUREST form (i mean nothing but AMP) is called freebase and it comes as a liquid.   Again, when I say pure, I mean 100% amp.  Now apparently taking this by smoking or IVing is like pure bliss, but ya, lets not go into that.  Plus I can't imagine anyone on SR selling it. Everything in there is based on  a percent of purity.  Which, if you go into that thread, you'll see tons of people debating what it is and who has the purest form... basically a lot of people comparing what is the best.

For us, gulping this shit pure 100% liquid amp down would do shit, because the stomach in the acid fucks with the pure amphetamine and makes some thing called hydrochloride salt.  This fucker ruins everything for us.  That's why whenever you take any speed you gotta take an Antacid, so the acid in the stomach becomes basic and more the good amphetamine shit can get in your blood. 

So now you asked me what the best is.  This is so debatable that I can't even answer it.  But theoretically any Amphetamine SULPHATE is great for digestion.  However be warned that the theoretical yield, meaning the maximum amount of PURE AMPHETAMINE in this AMPHETAMINE SULPHATE is like 77%.  And that 77% when it goes down your stomach and acts with the acid, and reduces it even more!  Antacid, like I said, helps... but ya, you will never get optimal amount. 

So now the paste or powder.  From what I read its basically the same thing, the paste will turn into amphetamine sulphate (that is if the person hasn't added something else to the paste or has some of the residue from making it not completely filtered shit out) and the powder (again, if it isn't mixed in with other types of shit like caffeine or RC).... it all comes down to how much amphetamine sulphate there is. So If you buy the powder, you might get just get amphetamine sulphate or you might get shit mixed in with it.  Also same thing with the base.  Some vendors that sell the paste, once dried has more amphetamine sulphate than other dry powder stuff.  Also, drying it out is really easy, so if I made it sound like it was a bitch, it really isn't.  I just open the baggie, lay it out inside my cupboard, and let it sit.  It smells kinda funky when you open it, but that's because it hasn't had time for all that other junk to dry out.

So ya man, you just gotta play the game.  Read that thread, see who says its the best.  If its a paste, dry it out and pop it like I said.  If its a powder, just put pop it.  Always with an antacid. 

Also if you REALLY want my recommendation.  Just order the Meth, take small dosages.  The variability in meth is so much lower than it is in the speed, its crazy.  I think its because you can't fuck with crystals, which is what crystal meth is.  But ya, I failed orgo, don't trust me on that.  All i know is that its better, but you gotta have the will power to not take a lot while studying.  I seriously mean that.   
Also, opening a capsule and putting in the smallest amount of meth with caffeine, works so well too.  SO much easier to throw it in there than it is with speed.

That's the best I can do to explain it, and what I've learned while trying shit out. 

I apologize in advance for the swear words.  I just fucking hate chemistry, even though I love drugs.

-EOE
Title: Re: Amphetamine Pros, lend me your ears!
Post by: Caparino on April 14, 2012, 03:27 am
Well this stumped me too when I first was looking at the section.  So after hours of reading this and that, stuff about freebase being better than the salt, or the amphetamine paste having a better purity because of the acid used, etc.....the only thing I've realized is no wonder I failed organic chemistry and had to switch out.  It confuses the shit out of me.   

But again, I'll tell you what worked for me.  Also, I'm going to solely talk about INGESTING it and what works the best when INGESTING it.  You wouldn't imagine the variation this drug takes on when you try to take it through a different route.

Now if you want the straight up details about the workings of it, I suggest you read http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=4750.0 this thread.   More importantly, read everything that 'mseller' says.  He seems like he really knows what he's talking about and I've checked online to make sure that he in deed knows his shit.

You also have to realize that right now, the speed that sells on SR has the largest amount of variation in terms of the quality.  There are types of speed that works the best when you sniff it, and then there are others that are better for ingesting it.  Then people talk about purity this and junk added to that, I just can't make sense of any of it.

But, here is my attempt. Also know, I hate this shit so much that I have to swear when I try to explain it.

You got this amphetamine shit right, the good stuff that does stuff in the brain to make us feel good about working? This amphetamine in its PUREST form (i mean nothing but AMP) is called freebase and it comes as a liquid.   Again, when I say pure, I mean 100% amp.  Now apparently taking this by smoking or IVing is like pure bliss, but ya, lets not go into that.  Plus I can't imagine anyone on SR selling it. Everything in there is based on  a percent of purity.  Which, if you go into that thread, you'll see tons of people debating what it is and who has the purest form... basically a lot of people comparing what is the best.

For us, gulping this shit pure 100% liquid amp down would do shit, because the stomach in the acid fucks with the pure amphetamine and makes some thing called hydrochloride salt.  This fucker ruins everything for us.  That's why whenever you take any speed you gotta take an Antacid, so the acid in the stomach becomes basic and more the good amphetamine shit can get in your blood. 

So now you asked me what the best is.  This is so debatable that I can't even answer it.  But theoretically any Amphetamine SULPHATE is great for digestion.  However be warned that the theoretical yield, meaning the maximum amount of PURE AMPHETAMINE in this AMPHETAMINE SULPHATE is like 77%.  And that 77% when it goes down your stomach and acts with the acid, and reduces it even more!  Antacid, like I said, helps... but ya, you will never get optimal amount. 

So now the paste or powder.  From what I read its basically the same thing, the paste will turn into amphetamine sulphate (that is if the person hasn't added something else to the paste or has some of the residue from making it not completely filtered shit out) and the powder (again, if it isn't mixed in with other types of shit like caffeine or RC).... it all comes down to how much amphetamine sulphate there is. So If you buy the powder, you might get just get amphetamine sulphate or you might get shit mixed in with it.  Also same thing with the base.  Some vendors that sell the paste, once dried has more amphetamine sulphate than other dry powder stuff.  Also, drying it out is really easy, so if I made it sound like it was a bitch, it really isn't.  I just open the baggie, lay it out inside my cupboard, and let it sit.  It smells kinda funky when you open it, but that's because it hasn't had time for all that other junk to dry out.

So ya man, you just gotta play the game.  Read that thread, see who says its the best.  If its a paste, dry it out and pop it like I said.  If its a powder, just put pop it.  Always with an antacid. 

Also if you REALLY want my recommendation.  Just order the Meth, take small dosages.  The variability in meth is so much lower than it is in the speed, its crazy.  I think its because you can't fuck with crystals, which is what crystal meth is.  But ya, I failed orgo, don't trust me on that.  All i know is that its better, but you gotta have the will power to not take a lot while studying.  I seriously mean that.   
Also, opening a capsule and putting in the smallest amount of meth with caffeine, works so well too.  SO much easier to throw it in there than it is with speed.

That's the best I can do to explain it, and what I've learned while trying shit out. 

I apologize in advance for the swear words.  I just fucking hate chemistry, even though I love drugs.

-EOE

You don't have to apologize for speaking to me in my own tongue :D

And I ask all this not for personal use, but for slipping "improved adderall" to college students for a profit. I'll try and dry out the paste sulfate and fit it into empty capsules I suppose.
Title: Re: Amphetamine Pros, lend me your ears!
Post by: pholscolloid89 on April 14, 2012, 04:48 pm
Didn't want to start a new thread & thought I'd just ask here
Is it a good idea to buy phet paste off here and then wash it with anhydrous acetone in an attempt to get pure phet?
what would be the result? phet sulphate or freebase?
Title: Re: Amphetamine Pros, lend me your ears!
Post by: EastofEden on April 14, 2012, 08:04 pm
Fuck ya, I found the thread!

So pholscolloid89, if you read below I linked the specific post by PlusPlus.  Its exactly what I did after I got the speed.  And it does work, only you do it properly!  You end up with a potent, cleaner amp and the yield isn't bad!  He really made everything so easy to follow, but I'm too much of a klutz to pull it off because I'm always spilling or messing something up.   I find it really hard to follow directions  :P 

For reference, I found it in this topic, "Buyers Review on Speed/Amphetamine Vendors esp.Quality," which is a sticky in the main page of Rumor Mill.  Here is the specific link: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=4750.msg91480#msg91480

Hope that helps!

-JS

Heh, well thank you. I didn't think most people read my posts all the way through, they tend to be a bit... expansive (tl;dr). ;)

@ workforit69: An acetone wash would probably be one of the easiest ways to clean your product. And more importantly, it's something that can be done by anybody because the equipment is cheap, inconspicuous and very easily available. :)
+@ Mitsikeli: I'll put up a general guide here :).

****************** WASHING YOUR SPEED WITH ACETONE ******************

Speed (amphetamine sulphate) is insoluble in acetone. However, a lot of common adulterants/cutters are quite soluble in acetone, such as caffeine (At around 1g/20mL, if anybody has a specific value for this then please add it in :) ). Because of this we can clean that mess of a powder into something much purer and probably less toxic! 8)

What you need:
• Acetone. This can be found at your local hardware store as a cleaning agent, and sometimes the supermarket (Australians, check the IGA ;)). Make sure it's dry (ie. no water present) [If not, see notes below*].
WARNING: Acetone is flammable. It's also pretty toxic and volatile (B.P of 56.2°C), if you inhale too much or ingest some and start feeling somewhat intoxicated, that means something bad is about to happen to your organs but you may be too unconscious to notice. It also has a habit of removing some paints, dyes and varnish. So use it over a sink/tissue paper/outside and in a well ventilated area.
• Funnel. Plastic funnel is fine, glass is better.
• Cups. Anything ceramic, plastic or glass (or beakers, test tubes etc...). As long as the funnel fits in it and there's enough space for the volume of acetone you're using.
• Filters. Coffee filters are fine, filter paper is best. Empty porous tea-bags work. Tissue paper even works.

What to do:
• Crush up the "speed" into a fine powder and put it into a clean glass (CUP-1).
• Pour in some acetone. Anything around 20mL per gram is fine. [I usually use 30-50mL for the first gram and add 10-30mL for every gram after that, depending on the suspected purity]. Keep in mind that you may be using more acetone to rinse out the glass/re-wash the residue in the filter later. But speed has a solubility BELOW 0.1mg/1mL in 100% acetone, so the loss isn't monumental.
• Stir or mix up the "speed" in the acetone until it's cloudy. Use something non-metal if stirring.

[NOTE: I usually just add the "speed" directly into the filter, seal the glass under the funnel, with the funnel, so nothing can pass through at the time, add the acetone and stir it with a glass stirring rod, then unseal it. If you're confident with doing that and are sure the filter won't break then you can omit CUP-1].
• Add the filter to the funnel, and the funnel onto another glass (CUP-2). Make sure there are no gaps in the filter.
• Put a gap, with something, between the funnel and glass to allow air out of the glass. If the funnel completely seals the glass then eventually the filtration will just stop. [I wedge a plastic straw between them].
• Pour some acetone into the funnel so the filter sticks to it.
• Pour the contents of CUP-1 (best if they're still cloudy) into the filter!
OR Seal the gap between the glass and funnel and add in the powdered speed and acetone straight into the filter as you would in CUP-1 (as explained in the note). Unseal it after stirring/mixing and let it filter. Obviously, make sure everything is running through the filter and not around it. [I press a glass rod up to the acetone bottle, and aim the end into the filter. This stops anything from spilling].
• After filtering, the liquid in the glass (filtrate) should be clear (and maybe colored if the speed was originally colored).
If it's cloudy then some of the solution (and probably some amphetamine) may have passed around the filter, or the filter is ripped. In that case it's best to place another filter underneath the current one (especially if there's still powder on it), pour CUP-2 back into CUP-1 (or a new glass if omitted), and run it through again.
• Rinse out CUP-1 with some more acetone and pour that into the residue/filter, you can also wash the residue again by running more acetone through it. Washing it again isn't entirely necessary, and 3 times is usually enough even at a laboratory-grade level.

• Now you have your purified, but wet, powder still on the filter (the residue), and the cutters/dyes/solvents in the acetone in CUP-2 (if it's clear then you can pour that down the sink ;)).
• If you're using filter paper, coffee filters or anything that won't stick to the wet powder then you can pull out the filter (as long as it has ALL of the residue on it), place it on some tissue paper (if it's wet with acetone) and let the powder dry out in a ventilated area. It typically doesn't take long to dry. Heat is not necessary but a slow fan helps.
If you're using tissue paper as the filter it's best to scrape the wet powder off and place it onto some flat glassware or ceramic dish (anything you can move it off easily once it dries), and let it dry there.
• DONE! Enjoy your cleaner speed. If you're very lucky and all of the adulterants were acetone-soluble (and were removed), enjoy your near-pure amphetamine :D.

Some added notes:
› This method can be used to clean Ice (methamphetamine hydrochloride) too. :P
› Speed is insoluble in diethyl ether, so this can be done with diethyl ether as well, if it's available, to remove even more adulterants. Ether has a B.P of 34.6°C so it evaporates even faster. It's also a lot less toxic than acetone.
› *Dry acetone: Usually the store brand is 100% acetone, and hence not likely to be contaminated by water.
However, if there is any water in the acetone then the solubility of amphetamine becomes higher, so there's a greater loss (but it can also remove more adulterants). [Personally I wouldn't consider it an issue unless it's labelled as "Aqueous Acetone" or the bottle was left open in the rain etc...].
A simple solution for making dry acetone is magnesium sulphate, or a similar desiccant. Just pick up some "Epsom salts" (which are clear/translucent granules of magnesium sulphate heptahydrate: MgSO4.7H2O) from your local pharmacy. Pick out approximately 2g for every 10mL of acetone, heat it up in the oven/on a hot plate/on a spoon with a lighter. It will appear to bubble/sizzle and turn into an opaque white, amorphous and brittle solid (this is your anhydrous magnesium sulphate). Then just add it into the "wet" acetone. [Best to read more on this if necessary, I've never had to use it for acetone, only used it as a desiccant for storage].

(TL;DR?) If that was too comprehensive, this is a concise walkthrough:
» Crush up the speed into a cup. Add in some acetone. Swirl it around.
» Put a coffee filter into a plastic funnel. Put the funnel into another cup. Wedge a gap between the funnel and cup with a straw.
» Pour the speed (in acetone) into the filter. Let it filter and run some more acetone through the powder.
» Let the powder (left over in the filter) dry off completely. Scrape it up and enjoy your washed speed!

Anyway. Hope that helps out some people, and I always encourage people to purify anything they're putting into their bodies as much as they can.
If anybody has specific solubilities for amphetamine (or any common adulterants) then please post them up, and I might add in some common adulterants with their concentrations (from a few research articles).
Title: Re: Amphetamine Pros, lend me your ears!
Post by: pholscolloid89 on April 15, 2012, 03:43 pm
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Nice one, cheers!