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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: Hamburgler21 on May 09, 2013, 07:21 am

Title: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: Hamburgler21 on May 09, 2013, 07:21 am
Okay seriously, im relatively new and out of 6 recent orders with highly rated vendors Ive received only 1 order in the last month... The rest either dont respond and dont ever ship, or dont respond and cancel, or dont respond and have phycotic breakdowns (no names mentioned Eh... Hem.. Hiro... Cough...)  or dont respond and just dont respond....

Does ANYONE actually ship on SK or what??
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: InfiniteSource on May 09, 2013, 07:55 am
I ship on silkroad twice a day. Give me a try. Link to vendor page on signature.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: ddiamondz on May 09, 2013, 08:08 am
Oh, wow, I'm sorry that you've had bad luck so far, but I urge you to keep trying. There are a lot more good vendors than bad, crazy vendors. I promise.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: luxuries on May 09, 2013, 08:32 am
I've received 5 out of 6 orders and the last one is almost certainly still in transit.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: Suidone on May 09, 2013, 09:21 am
Gotta do your research better. Especially on the forums. I've been here for at least a month before I started ordering and in the beginning I thought I had found good quality vendors, but when continuing to read on the forums I quickly came to another opinion. Reviews on SR are not as reliable as reviews on the forums by more than a few trusted posters. So guys with 51 post claiming here that god himself has made the product probably aren't real.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: vaper on May 09, 2013, 11:28 am
I think the biggest problem is that some vendors can maintain brilliant feedback despite a huge percentage of parcels not showing up.

If buyers would stop giving 5/5 for parcels that don't show up, I've no doubt that a lot more parcels would arrive.  A newbie should be able to get a good indication of how much they can trust a vendor from their feedback score and at the moment that simply isn't the case.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: londonpride2 on May 09, 2013, 12:08 pm
All the vendors I have used have been great, perhaps a little more research next time? or your address has been flagged. I dont think its fair to slag off the vendors on SR, 99% of them are great with great products and excellent customer service.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: engordany on May 09, 2013, 12:12 pm
I got nothing but good impressions. 13 orders all arrived, on schedule, on weight, on quality.
Maybe Im just lucky.

My recipe: I only order from domestic vendors last seen today, no less than 95 and good reviews. If I smell the smallest hint of scam, I dont buy. Theres plenty of vendors out there.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: gabberman on May 09, 2013, 12:25 pm
Listen to feedback, look at the products they sell and how much of it they sell and even message them a friendly PM if your unsure about a vendors T&Cs. I've used the road for just over a year now and have NEVER had any problems with any vendor. Packages always come when they are meant too.

Only one time was a package from Spain got lost, but the vendor shipped out my full order again for free and I received it a few days later.

It just seems like bad luck on your part. Some vendors ask new-comers to FE just to make sure they wont get scammed. Just be careful.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: sociomenace on May 09, 2013, 12:35 pm
There are so many reputable vendors here it's not funny.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: android465764E on May 09, 2013, 01:11 pm
That sucks fella.
Always check out the forums for vendor review threads, and order from the bigger, well established names. At least to begin with.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: Luvs2Trip on May 09, 2013, 01:17 pm
I would say your probably just unlucky! Between 2 accounts i have made 8 orders and one of them was through the forums when the road was under attack (I sent BTC straight away) and all 8 have been fine, not one problem!

I try my best to stick to domestic vendors (have only ordered non domestic once) and make sure i study the review thread for the vendors before i pick who i will use. I like to stick in the top 10% of sellers where possible as well!
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: shimbabwe on May 09, 2013, 01:23 pm
out of the 20 items I've had shipped not one has failed to arrive so all you can do is read the review threads on the forum and try to find a reliable vendor and stick with it

kind of like real life drug buying except replace "review threads" with word and "the forum" with street.

obviously don't order moderate- to-  large amounts of anything until you find a reliable source
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: hamahed on May 09, 2013, 01:24 pm
in 28 days since joining I have made 6 orders and all have been successful. I even FEd against my better judgement and all was in order. And this is 2 a part of the world that seems to be constantly classified as a risky destination. Hope I didnt jst jinx myself
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: thehibbler on May 09, 2013, 01:31 pm
Sounds like some bad luck, but with SR going down you have to expect some disruptions.  I too had in order in with a vendor that went crazy, but that was my only negative experience so far.  Good luck going forward.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: Hamburgler21 on May 09, 2013, 05:18 pm
I think the biggest problem is that some vendors can maintain brilliant feedback despite a huge percentage of parcels not showing up.

If buyers would stop giving 5/5 for parcels that don't show up, I've no doubt that a lot more parcels would arrive.  A newbie should be able to get a good indication of how much they can trust a vendor from their feedback score and at the moment that simply isn't the case.

I think you hit the nail on the head with this!

Also, it may be some bad luck I guess... I didnt read a lot on the forums before purchase but I carefully read through all feedback and order domestic... 

What does that mean my address might be flagged?
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: mary666 on May 09, 2013, 05:31 pm
I,d stick with domestic deliverys and maybe use a mate,s address i ordered 1 delivery outside domestic and its the only one i,ve had not arrive vendor gave a full refund but never FE anyway and obviously check out vendors as said by others  :)
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: 88fxstc on May 09, 2013, 05:37 pm
Like others have said, you gotta do your research. I've been here maybe 5 months and after over 20 orders I've only had 1 that I wasn't totally happy with . It showed up, just took longer than it should have and I couldn't get the vendor to give up the tracking info. All others have been great , shipping time, customer service and quality, all were right on.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: CHROOT on May 09, 2013, 05:53 pm

My recipe: I only order from domestic vendors last seen today, no less than 95 and good reviews. If I smell the smallest hint of scam, I dont buy. Theres plenty of vendors out there.

+1

It's really that simple.

Cut your teeth in the forums first, learning the scams, learning what to avoid, etc.

If I could add one last bit of advice, only reputable vendors self-advertise their own vendor review threads. If a vendor isn't even on the forums, much less offering customers the chance to review their wares, that's a red flag and it means you dig deeper and cling to escrow for dear life if you decide to order.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: preacherman444 on May 09, 2013, 06:15 pm
I agree with only buying from established vendors. I haven't found something that I wanted without an established vendor (most of the time domestic) selling it. The exception so far is ketamine, I have heard some not so good things about UGS recently and that was the only name on there that I recognized.

Good luck with your packages mate.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: tootstructure on May 09, 2013, 07:16 pm
what's wrong with UGS's ketamine? is everything else of theirs good though?
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: theJohnDoeboys on May 09, 2013, 09:50 pm
It can depend a lot on where its shipped from and where its shipped to, example south america to US, or Holland to UK?

See what I mean?

New to SR but somewhat a veteran in the game, my best opinion is to order domestically or within your neighboring countries.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: ashogooner on May 09, 2013, 10:12 pm
Been on the road since around October and only had issues 2/3 times, but never to the extent where I've not received the product. Mainly with people advertising certain delivery times but not turning the product over in that time. Laziness I guess.

Stick with it.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: 00Oo0o0oOo0Oo0oO on May 09, 2013, 10:21 pm
I've made two orders, one was really fast and great and the other... not sure what's going on.  I'm still hoping it will work out because I feel like the vendors I ordered from are reasonable.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: jesse on May 09, 2013, 10:27 pm
I think the biggest problem is that some vendors can maintain brilliant feedback despite a huge percentage of parcels not showing up.

If buyers would stop giving 5/5 for parcels that don't show up, I've no doubt that a lot more parcels would arrive.  A newbie should be able to get a good indication of how much they can trust a vendor from their feedback score and at the moment that simply isn't the case.

I think you hit the nail on the head with this!

Also, it may be some bad luck I guess... I didnt read a lot on the forums before purchase but I carefully read through all feedback and order domestic... 

What does that mean my address might be flagged?
That means that your address is know by the postal service or the LE...flagged...as in RED FLAG ??
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: jesse on May 09, 2013, 10:33 pm

My recipe: I only order from domestic vendors last seen today, no less than 95 and good reviews. If I smell the smallest hint of scam, I dont buy. Theres plenty of vendors out there.

+1

It's really that simple.

Cut your teeth in the forums first, learning the scams, learning what to avoid, etc.

If I could add one last bit of advice, only reputable vendors self-advertise their own vendor review threads. If a vendor isn't even on the forums, much less offering customers the chance to review their wares, that's a red flag and it means you dig deeper and cling to escrow for dear life if you decide to order.
That is so much bull shit!
Because a vendor is not on the forum ???
Maybe a good vendor has better things to do then to advertise his items...like selling them to his returning loyal customers  ?
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: Slutt on May 10, 2013, 01:00 am
in 28 days since joining I have made 6 orders and all have been successful. I even FEd against my better judgement and all was in order. And this is 2 a part of the world that seems to be constantly classified as a risky destination. Hope I didnt jst jinx myself


Are you refering to AUS
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: wl2ong1 on May 10, 2013, 01:32 am
I was a part of the forums and SR for over a month before I finally made my first purchase. I did a lot of research into each and every vendor that I thought of doing business with. I messaged them prior to any business being done.. It doesn't show on this name or on SR, because I had to make a new username. I spent so much time researching, I forgot my PIN and had to make a new account, lol.

I've since made 5 purchases with 4 different vendors.. They have all been great as far as customer service. 3 of them the shipping was very quit.  One of them is still in transit and I'll update on the vendor when I get the package. Should be here tomorrow.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: CHROOT on May 10, 2013, 01:35 am
That is so much bull shit!
Because a vendor is not on the forum ???
Maybe a good vendor has better things to do then to advertise his items...like selling them to his returning loyal customers  ?

Look around this place. All the top-notch vendors have official review threads for their wares and actively solicit feedback from their customers in their vendor listings. It's not about advertising, it's about selling a product on SR and allowing your customers a chance to critique you openly on the forums. 

It's not that much work to create a vendor review thread, so I can't see why a vendor "has better things to do" than spend two minutes to create one.

Weak vendors don't want people reviewing them in my experience. This thread is about "sucky" vendors, and I'm telling you if a vendor can't even be bothered to create a forum account and post a review thread, he's put in my sucky vendor category until proven otherwise.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: wl2ong1 on May 10, 2013, 01:42 am
That is so much bull shit!
Because a vendor is not on the forum ???
Maybe a good vendor has better things to do then to advertise his items...like selling them to his returning loyal customers  ?

Look around this place. All the top-notch vendors have official review threads for their wares and actively solicit feedback from their customers in their vendor listings. It's not about advertising, it's about selling a product on SR and allowing your customers a chance to critique you openly on the forums. 

It's not that much work to create a vendor review thread, so I can't see why a vendor "has better things to do" than spend two minutes to create one.

Weak vendors don't want people reviewing them in my experience. This thread is about "sucky" vendors, and I'm telling you if a vendor can't even be bothered to create a forum account and post a review thread, he's put in my sucky vendor category until proven otherwise.

I agree. If a vendor is not going to take or make the time to "advertise", then in my opinion it shows that that they don't have much faith in their product. If you've ever been in sales then you want advertisement, you want people to know that you put effort into being the best of the best and making sure your product is the what you say it is. Being able to handle open criticisms shows character and that the vendor is willing to listen to the negative so they can become a better vendor. 
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: BongSong on May 10, 2013, 01:46 am
Gotta do your research better. Especially on the forums. I've been here for at least a month before I started ordering and in the beginning I thought I had found good quality vendors, but when continuing to read on the forums I quickly came to another opinion. Reviews on SR are not as reliable as reviews on the forums by more than a few trusted posters. So guys with 51 post claiming here that god himself has made the product probably aren't real.

This^ research is key.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: CHROOT on May 10, 2013, 03:11 am
Being able to handle open criticisms shows character and that the vendor is willing to listen to the negative so they can become a better vendor.

+1

It's a bit scary for a new vendor to open a thread and say hey, here's my product, critique me. We know, buyers can be tough. They go after the stealth level, the quickness, the quality, and the communication.

With an official vendor review thread any missteps will quickly bleed out into the forums. You get whipped quick and it's part of the new vendor hazing process. In all this anonymity, it's the closest thing we have to honest, lengthy reviews and it's the hallmark of a top-notch vendor IMO.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: jundullahi on May 10, 2013, 03:18 am
I got nothing but good impressions. 13 orders all arrived, on schedule, on weight, on quality.
Maybe Im just lucky.

My recipe: I only order from domestic vendors last seen today, no less than 95 and good reviews. If I smell the smallest hint of scam, I dont buy. Theres plenty of vendors out there.

Please enlighten me how do you smell scam?
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: Luvs2Trip on May 10, 2013, 08:25 am
Please enlighten me how do you smell scam?

Theres usually a strong smell of bullshit!!
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: BajoZero on May 11, 2013, 03:11 am
It's not just advertising, it's also good information for a vendor to heed.  Feedback ratings are bullshit, and can be manipulated, but people can be honest in the forums because their forum names can be different from their SR names, so they can be anonymous to the vendor.  Of course we all hope that our review threads are full of positive things, but if something is going wrong, I want to know about it so that I can correct it, and a forum review thread is a great way to get that information.

Also, you can set one up in the amount of time that it takes to post a comment about how you don't have time to set one up. Just saying.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: sauce123 on May 11, 2013, 03:14 am
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Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: P2P on May 11, 2013, 03:21 am
This is highly uncharacteristic of  the good vendors on SR. Either you're ordering a lot from countries that are halfway around the world from you or you just don't know what a "reputable" vendor is. 100 transactions? Not a reputable vendor. 200 transactions <97-98% feedback? Not a reputable vendor. Optimally, you want a guy with a (99) or (100) next to his name (I'm usually able to find a 100 guy) with >300 transactions done and >300 fans. Well-known, well-reviewed. You can flip through feedback and check, for god's sake.

I honestly don't know how this happened to you; seriously, the only thing I can think of is that you need to revise your buying habits. A smart buyer is going to get his product 99% of the time, period.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: P2P on May 11, 2013, 03:34 am
The fact that this stirred up so much soliciting from vendors is quite amusing. Let your product speak for itself. Advertising outside your personal thread is quite desperate-sounding. Don't take it to heart - it's just my opinion, but as we know the top vendors aren't running around the forums asking people to try their product. They're busy filling the copious amounts of orders they get.
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: clpicard1 on May 11, 2013, 04:17 am
Iv'e made 6 prchases from 4 vedors.  I reviewed each vendor before i ordered. they all had good feedback. the results are:
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1) teflon don ripped me off
2) Samgiancana ripped me off
3) marlostansfield delivered twice  great product  great service   .. be he does not list my preffered product  crack
4) Purchased from blueberry.. execleent service  he is trying real hard to get quality product   but right now the quality is not there. I am helping him to improve his crack so i can purchase from him again. he is worht stickeing with.
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So i spent about 1300 us dollars and recievd about 400 of smoakable crack.. ripped off or poor quality.. i need to control my inner fiend and never never never fe again
Title: Re: Why do vendors suck on SR?
Post by: Hamburgler21 on June 04, 2013, 03:55 pm
This is highly uncharacteristic of  the good vendors on SR. Either you're ordering a lot from countries that are halfway around the world from you or you just don't know what a "reputable" vendor is. 100 transactions? Not a reputable vendor. 200 transactions <97-98% feedback? Not a reputable vendor. Optimally, you want a guy with a (99) or (100) next to his name (I'm usually able to find a 100 guy) with >300 transactions done and >300 fans. Well-known, well-reviewed. You can flip through feedback and check, for god's sake.

I honestly don't know how this happened to you; seriously, the only thing I can think of is that you need to revise your buying habits. A smart buyer is going to get his product 99% of the time, period.

Im not saying there are not good vendors n SR, but ive found 2 so far out of a dozen orders that really deserve a 5 rating. As far as the rest of your "opinion" on how I order, your way off. I only order domestic, only order high rated, however product specific its not easy to find what you want from a mega seller with 100% and 6,000 fans. I do the best I can and when someone has perfect 5 stars from last 20 orders and no negatives, one should be able to normally assume its a pretty good chance of receiving orders...

All I can say is that Ive encountered more BS vendors on SR by a MILE than any other web service. There is a reason for that (I don't know exactly why) but needs to be worked on in a way that discourages all these scammers flooding in.