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Title: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: Looker on December 28, 2012, 02:10 pm
So I attempted to order from this vendor a small quantity to inspect packing and determine quality of product. So I ordered 2 hoffmans (supposedly 150mic's)

I figured since it was domestic, the shipping option I opted for (and paid extra for) included DCN (indicated as one of the shipping options) I would be able to make use of escrow for such a small order. My current buyer stats are:

Total transactions: 81
Total spent: $18,322
Refund rate: 0.01%
Auto-finalize rate: 0%
Member for: 1 year

The vendors stats:

alphabet1's stats

http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/b8c9997494

Rank: unranked
Positive feedback: 97.8%
Total transactions: 264
Member for: 6 months

After placing the order I was requested to FE and I attempted to see if the vendor would allow me to use escrow and if not to go ahead and cancel my order. However this is the response I recieved:

"you can do as you please. its absurd that you would order from me when my policy states the FIRST PURCHASE you make must be an FE to ensure no scamming will happen.

I will now cancel your order -

Happy Holidays."

However they didn't actually cancel my order and did not ship. Instead after I pointed out on the SR wiki the small paragraph about how FE scams happen (and lately they have been on the rise) I got the following:

"have fun - it says no FE before 35 transactions I have well over that and give them lots of money in escrow and dont rip anyone off - look how happy my customers are - fuck off."

This is now in resolution center and since there has been nothing shipped I requested %100 refund (why not? Nothing has shipped, and I've not finalized, so why drag this into RC?) and posted this message:

Vendor stated on 12/17 they would be cancelling my order:

"you can do as you please. its absurd that you would order from me when my policy states the FIRST PURCHASE you make must be an FE to ensure no scamming will happen.

I will now cancel your order -

Happy Holidays."

I declined to FE so they either did one of two things, they had already shipped (however I have not yet received anything) or were simply holding coin in escrow to be difficult. Either way, no package has been received, and they had said themselves that they would be cancelling the order when they were told I would not be finalizing prior to receipt.

The response I recieved?

"My policy page clearly states that first purchase requires FE as everyone that has posted FANTASTIC feedback can see he apparently cannot - I'm sorry if his eyes dont work properly what else doesn't his brain?

Sorry SR resolution staff must waste their time with people like this - the whole reason for resolution is for when something doesn't go as planned which everyhthing would have had you FE per seller policy as has everyone else for their first transaction -

ITS THAT SIMPLE. the error was made on your behalf. PERIOD."

All I've asked is he either ship the order, or cancel but he refuses. Honestly I don't want a single fucking thing from him, I will NEVER use a vendor who is such a complete asshole on this site.

Oh and alphabet1 if you are reading this, please do come pay me a visit, your threats are complete bullshit. I really fucking dare you and I mean it. You have NO FUCKING IDEA who you are fucking with and I know you have my address so don't be shy.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: anex45 on December 28, 2012, 05:23 pm
At least you  didn't FE! It's good to see more buyers not FEing and falling for that bullshit....I'm so tired of seeing buyers scammed when they FE. That really sucks to hear your transaction went badly and I hope you get all of your money back (and you should!).
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on December 28, 2012, 05:47 pm
Are you sure alphabet1 is his seller profile?

I see a user named Alphabet but no seller alphabet1.

"search for alphabet1 produced 0 results"

I guess maybe this is just what happens when a seller goes incognito or whatever?

Shitty thing he's doing to you.  Although if his profile does clearly state no exceptions to his policy, you should have contacted him prior to just placing the order and seeing if he would bend his rules for your stats.  Would have saved you a lot of hassle sounds like.

Does SR resolution usually give the buyer back more than 50%?  What if he lies and tells them he sent it?
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: anex45 on December 28, 2012, 06:28 pm
Are you sure alphabet1 is his seller profile?

I see a user named Alphabet but no seller alphabet1.

"search for alphabet1 produced 0 results"

I guess maybe this is just what happens when a seller goes incognito or whatever?

Shitty thing he's doing to you.  Although if his profile does clearly state no exceptions to his policy, you should have contacted him prior to just placing the order and seeing if he would bend his rules for your stats.  Would have saved you a lot of hassle sounds like.

Does SR resolution usually give the buyer back more than 50%?  What if he lies and tells them he sent it?

He would have to provide a tracking number or DCN to SR resolution to prove he sent it I think.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: AnonymousAddict on December 28, 2012, 06:36 pm
There is no reason this guy should have drug it this far out and never even sent anything.. You should for sure get your 100% back.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: Looker on December 28, 2012, 09:56 pm
Are you sure alphabet1 is his seller profile?

I see a user named Alphabet but no seller alphabet1.

"search for alphabet1 produced 0 results"

I guess maybe this is just what happens when a seller goes incognito or whatever?

Shitty thing he's doing to you.  Although if his profile does clearly state no exceptions to his policy, you should have contacted him prior to just placing the order and seeing if he would bend his rules for your stats.  Would have saved you a lot of hassle sounds like.

Does SR resolution usually give the buyer back more than 50%?  What if he lies and tells them he sent it?

http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/b8c9997494

Thats his profile.

I don't know what the standard resolution is. I've had orders no-show once or twice before internationally but they were orders that simply weren't shipped when a vendor ran out and simply put people off for a while.

But by his own statement he was going to cancel the order which I was completely fine with but then he just decided to keep things hung up. Which is why I was more annoyed than anything else.

I've ordered from other vendors that have a new buyers must FE but most have been pretty reasonable now that stats are out and are like 'Yeah sure the first few orders NP but we may need FE on larger orders' which is completely fine. But not one vendor has been this much of an ass to me. I'm a pretty chill buyer and try to be pretty professional as I also vend and understand some buyers can be a PITA but I don't care if he was giving away free product I would never support this asshole as far as I'm concerned.

Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: uniwiz on December 28, 2012, 10:08 pm
Is this becoming the norm. We need to change this. I too got the same jerkoff from another vendor. They are just playing with you, in the case of humboltdfinest too stupid to click the cancel button. They figure Fe is their right, so hence the attitude. Let them eat shit, but no BTC.
Contact SR Support explain the situation. They can't hold your funds because you won't FE.
Please report back your progress.

This is exactly the thing that ruins everyones rep. Here is another case, another buyer being screw because standing up HIS right, escrow. Give him his BTC back, NOW.

Please I beg you all, BOYCOTT vendors who require FE. Someday you will be in this very situation.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: Looker on December 29, 2012, 12:31 am
I actually contacted support before about the transaction so hopefully they step in and tell this jerkoff that he doesn't have the right to demand FE and just cancel the order.

As soon as I get some kind of res I'll be sure and update this thread, this kind of bullshit from vendors is completely uncalled for and unacceptable. If it wasn't that the shipping option clearly stated DCN and priority (for an upcharge) I could understand their desire to FE but this is a totally confirmable order and they are just straight being an ass.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: uniwiz on December 29, 2012, 01:10 am
I actually contacted support before about the transaction so hopefully they step in and tell this jerkoff that he doesn't have the right to demand FE and just cancel the order.

As soon as I get some kind of res I'll be sure and update this thread, this kind of bullshit from vendors is completely uncalled for and unacceptable. If it wasn't that the shipping option clearly stated DCN and priority (for an upcharge) I could understand their desire to FE but this is a totally confirmable order and they are just straight being an ass.
You have a right to be upset. Stay calm, the system will take it's time but it will work for you. There is no reason that a vendor should hold funds, but these guys are showing us it's all their way. It's sad more buyers don't support this position. They only care about the here, and now. I got mine. You didn't get yours, oh too bad. My vendor screwed you, but he didn't screw me. While the wolves take the sheep out, one at a time. Any vendor demanding FE, doesn't support the concept of escrow, and is calling a buyer with hard earned perfects stats a thief. There is no way a buyer with a 100+ transactions with 0% 10k+  should have to FE ever.

Boycott FE vendors, now! Better yet place an order then cancel. When they see how much they are losing they will change that tune. There is a solution it's called ESCROW!


If we don't hang together we will surely hang alone.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: scratchthis on December 29, 2012, 01:54 am

Boycott FE vendors, now! Better yet place an order then cancel. When they see how much they are losing they will change that tune. There is a solution it's called ESCROW!

If we don't hang together we will surely hang alone.

Maybe it's because I'm relatively new, but exactly how do you order, then cancel? When I've placed an order, hovering over the cancel button produces a message saying something like "This button will be activated in [some number] days". If the seller marks the order as "In transit" before the cancel button is available, then you're screwed.

Note, I agree with what is being said about sellers who require FE. However, I try to be a conscientious buyer; when dealing with vendors that have a stellar reputation and with whom I've had smooth, pleasant transactions, I finalize as soon as the order is in transit. This may be stupid and naive of me and I very well may get scammed. But as an infrequent Ebay seller who has to wait and wait and wait to get money for an item I shipped long ago, I sympathize with the sellers who have significant cash tied up in inventory and shipping costs. I've done all kinds of honor system deals on the internet for concert tickets, etc. and have been burned only a couple times (by drug dealers of course). But I've never understood the scammer logic where they go months and months delivering product, presumably making big $ and then cut off that steady pipeline for a one-time score. One guy took me for $125 when he was grossing over $500/month from me.

Sorry for the ramble. Fight *mandatory* FE.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: metaphoe on December 29, 2012, 02:03 am
im with Wiz, this a buyers market, the profit off this scally wagin' almost bad mouths weed in general,, where the freedom fighters ?
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: Flyhigh on December 29, 2012, 02:14 am
this guy right from the start wanted to FE...plus his prices are fucking high ...for a new vendor this is not a good start. People AVOID hi9m at all cost...there are many other vendors to get LSD from....Thanks OP for the post this helps all of us..... ;)
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: Looker on December 29, 2012, 07:18 pm
Thanks for the support guys.

I really do love this place and I do understand that some vendors want FE to avoid a lot of things, but I think longer term for everyone to win we need for escrow to work. But if this is the future vendors of SR I think it won't last long.

I shot SR Support to see if I could ask that they jump in to resolve as the vendor clearly is hellbent on stretching it out:

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=423c4d0e3c3a4c3560b69c2eab50a119.gif

Hopefully the intervene and maybe suggest the vendor learn some people skills.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: anonemuss2012 on December 29, 2012, 07:48 pm
I FE'd for my very first transaction on SR (through alphabet1), period, but I didn't do enough research beforehand :\ I eventually got my package after paying ~$70 for 2 Alice in Wonderland prints to be shipped via Priority - I got my package over 2 weeks later. I will NEVER deal with alphabet1 ever again. His prices are out of this world ridiculous and every single new customer he has he asks for FE. Check out the signature at the bottom of Flyhigh's post and mine - the Avengers are doing good work to help SR buyers find quality, accurately dosed LSD with good customer service, quality stealth, good shipping speeds and use of escrow.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: Looker on December 29, 2012, 08:33 pm
I knew about the avengers but hadn't checked back in the thread lately and it's also what sparked my idea about setting up a review for vendors like they do with the LSD avengers. If anyone in this thread is interested in perhaps starting something like that I would really like to do to help combat FE scams and the like. Otherwise we will have a littany of ton76's and bloomingcolors type FE scam.

I guess I'm not the only one who's gotten shit service from him I'll link this thread in the avengers thread.

I get that vendors want to get paid, so if someone has high a/f or refund % then use those numbers, not just the arbitrary ones not based on any kind of history.

I don't think that having 0 previous purchases from a particular vendor is a reasonable reason to require FE. If they used something other than # of transactions completed this seems to be much more reasonable and fair method. I mean if you have some ridiculous refund or auto-finalize % sure then I would understand but just blanket FE's is how tony76 ended up with a $200,000+ take for the 420 sale.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: uniwiz on December 30, 2012, 01:49 am
I knew about the avengers but hadn't checked back in the thread lately and it's also what sparked my idea about setting up a review for vendors like they do with the LSD avengers. If anyone in this thread is interested in perhaps starting something like that I would really like to do to help combat FE scams and the like. Otherwise we will have a littany of ton76's and bloomingcolors type FE scam.

I guess I'm not the only one who's gotten shit service from him I'll link this thread in the avengers thread.

I get that vendors want to get paid, so if someone has high a/f or refund % then use those numbers, not just the arbitrary ones not based on any kind of history.

I don't think that having 0 previous purchases from a particular vendor is a reasonable reason to require FE. If they used something other than # of transactions completed this seems to be much more reasonable and fair method. I mean if you have some ridiculous refund or auto-finalize % sure then I would understand but just blanket FE's is how tony76 ended up with a $200,000+ take for the 420 sale.

A slightly disagree, Tony76 milked them for what was worth. He got us by our greed, offering get deals the beat Pharmville (rip) who was an absolutely great vendor.
As far as not using stats, why have them.? The money excuse is a smoke screen, in reality the vendor is not ready to sell. We could use a purging of these clueless vendors who want to start a business on a shoestring stepping on our backs.
The solution is in each and everyone not to purchase from these vendors. There are plenty of suitable replacements.
Again we are the problem, and the solution. A little more searching on the forum might save you some BTC.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: Tunbear on December 30, 2012, 02:43 am

Boycott FE vendors, now! Better yet place an order then cancel. When they see how much they are losing they will change that tune. There is a solution it's called ESCROW!

If we don't hang together we will surely hang alone.

Maybe it's because I'm relatively new, but exactly how do you order, then cancel? When I've placed an order, hovering over the cancel button produces a message saying something like "This button will be activated in [some number] days". If the seller marks the order as "In transit" before the cancel button is available, then you're screwed.

Note, I agree with what is being said about sellers who require FE. However, I try to be a conscientious buyer; when dealing with vendors that have a stellar reputation and with whom I've had smooth, pleasant transactions, I finalize as soon as the order is in transit. This may be stupid and naive of me and I very well may get scammed. But as an infrequent Ebay seller who has to wait and wait and wait to get money for an item I shipped long ago, I sympathize with the sellers who have significant cash tied up in inventory and shipping costs. I've done all kinds of honor system deals on the internet for concert tickets, etc. and have been burned only a couple times (by drug dealers of course). But I've never understood the scammer logic where they go months and months delivering product, presumably making big $ and then cut off that steady pipeline for a one-time score. One guy took me for $125 when he was grossing over $500/month from me.

Sorry for the ramble. Fight *mandatory* FE.

You can only cancel an order if the vendor doesn't confirm it within 4 days.

Looker this is bullshit, tbh after showing vendor support the message he sent about cancelling it you should have gotten 100% refund back straight away.

I can understand vendors asking for FE for a first time customer, but not when you have such stellar stats as yours. I personally think it's stupid to ask for FE for first time customers, either their stats are good enough, or they aren't.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: ieatdrugsforbreakfast on December 30, 2012, 05:43 pm
I wish I could remember his forum name! He was an ass hole 5 months ago so I see nothing has changed at all.
The prices for his LSD are ridiculous. I understand vendors are in the game to make a profit and it can be done here. I feel as if this vendor preys off new buyers too.
There is really no need for FE at all. The escrow system is in place to protect the buyer and keep the honest vendors honest.

Also to OP if the vendor did in fact send threatening PM's to you you should forward them to SR support and he will lose his vendor account.

i.e.d.f.b.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: Looker on December 30, 2012, 09:37 pm
His forum account is:

sixteen0fiver - http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?action=profile;u=24792

He didn't explicitly threaten but implied that it would be unwise of me to push him because he has my address, which honestly I'm not worried about in the slightest.

Somehow however I clicked the accept or release funds button in RC (I was on a mobile device) stupidly but that really doesn't change anything as I still had screen shots of the RC exchange here:

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=423c4d0e3c3a4c3560b69c2eab50a119.gif

So I left feedback commensurate with service. If they actually ever ship anything (and I really doubt they will I may update it but I won't update it with much since the feedback points to here and the LSD Avengers thread so ultimately there is feedback warning other buyers, or would be buyers, and forum posts to support the same in his 'new vendor' thread:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=28015.0

So even if I do get something (And to some degree I hope I don't as it only further supports my position) the transaction as a whole was handled very poorly.

SR Support also commented (because I had PM'd them separate) that they would have supported the %100 refund and they wished I hadn't finalized but the fact they would have supported the refund shows that we as buyers do not have to tolerate such shitty service and support by and large will back us up if we take it to RC.




Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: uniwiz on December 30, 2012, 10:36 pm
I never had a problem with SR support. They might not move as fast as you want, but you are pissed at that point, and they are busy.
FE scams take weeks to sort out. Disputes take a week or so. Stealing takes maybe a day.
If you follow the system, and you are not scamming it should work for you.
BTW I have had the software finalize for me too, now I'm careful when I go to the order page.

Here's the hitch. Shit happens, package gets lost in the mail somehow. The vendor shipped it, You could be a scammer. You didn't get it, the vendor could be a scammer. If you can both work together through that. Well, a whole new relationship starts. You always risk 50%,never forget that. So if you get a reship, you owe the vendor some loyalty. FE shouldn't be it. Repeat sales is what it's about. I need the vendor, and he needs me, we work together.
Anyone with 100+ transactions 0% refund rate, knows this.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: Looker on December 31, 2012, 12:04 am
Unwiz, no I have no issues with support, I simply fat fingered navigation on my orders page and finalized the wrong order. Support in my experience has been nothing but helpful. I was really just pointing out that support was there to help and would have supported a refund given the vendors conduct and refusal to use escrow.

I am completely aware that we all take a certain risk but nothing was shipped, or not to my knowledge. If the vendor does ship (and not tell me to go screw) then I will certainly update with that but that doesn't in some way negate their reluctance to use the escrow system. Thats the real issue IMO, the more we FE in a predictalbe fashion (i.e. upon request)  the more we open ourselves up to getting scammed and there is nothing that SR can do to help us in that case. The vendors I do business with more regularly I sometimes FE for them but in general I try to avoid any vendors that don't allow use of escrow so it's something that can be done as a courtesy and not a requirement.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: uniwiz on December 31, 2012, 12:26 am
Unwiz, no I have no issues with support, I simply fat fingered navigation on my orders page and finalized the wrong order. Support in my experience has been nothing but helpful. I was really just pointing out that support was there to help and would have supported a refund given the vendors conduct and refusal to use escrow.

I am completely aware that we all take a certain risk but nothing was shipped, or not to my knowledge. If the vendor does ship (and not tell me to go screw) then I will certainly update with that but that doesn't in some way negate their reluctance to use the escrow system. Thats the real issue IMO, the more we FE in a predictalbe fashion (i.e. upon request)  the more we open ourselves up to getting scammed and there is nothing that SR can do to help us in that case. The vendors I do business with more regularly I sometimes FE for them but in general I try to avoid any vendors that don't allow use of escrow so it's something that can be done as a courtesy and not a requirement.

I think you handled it well. Most others (including me) would be flamed out, and pissed off.
My point was for others. SR Support isn't the problem. You can read vague references that SR got it's fee so it doesn't care. The rules aren't the problem. We told told there is no need to finalize.  It's vendors taking advantage of a loop hole, and they need to be pointed/called out, not slandered. The blatant scamming will continue to go on, on both sides. So I see a need to protect oneself. I just don't think it should be at the other parties expense.

Others will try to make you loose site of the issue. Because they give you product today doesn't mean it will always be that way. Money issues are the vendors problem, not yours. No one is slandering any one person, or vendor, just stating the facts, as we see them. If you continue to FE, it will be a costly mistake at some point. Why risk it? For every vendor who requires FE, there 5 or more that don't. You stop using them, they will get the point very fast.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: Looker on January 02, 2013, 02:45 pm
This guy really doesn't quit! Even after refunding the coin that he held up (less about 2 btc, for no real reason):

Quote
refunded your money - if you cant understand that sellers have policies that are established fine - im not a NEW vendor. so im not sure what you are thinking when people explain how they require things to work and you just dismiss them. in any case id rather just give you what I tied up and continue serving people that read sellers policy and receive said product promptly. I can also assure you that nothing first class takes 2 weeks to be delivered EVER. so whoever made that remark will also face what happens when people are dishonest. Take care.    

I dont accept threats from anyone - your lack of reading caused this problem its that simple. You say you r a vendor and cant read? -- OUCH

really sad someone of your nature thinks your in a position to hold something over my head you were clearly told how it works prior to buying via my seller page yet you are bitter IMMATURE and rude - glad you wasted more of your time apparently you spend so much of on the internet making mistakes LOL and then wasting hours of time with multiple accounts talking a bunch of shit - hilarious - whats funny is the people that READ the policy like you as a vendor should have had no problems yet you are just the one in 25 that makes for a bad transaction - if you vend then you know this will come back to you x3 because clearly I stated what needed to be done and you failed to read- Im pretty sure you read enough to get here in the first place but not enough to respect my policies - FUCK YOU

Apparently I'm the problem for trying to use escrow and pointing him to forum threads are a 'threat'.

It's also comical that under 300 sales and less than 6 months he considers himself 'established' which I think any vendor here that actually IS established would probably laugh at #1 and probably take offense to. I've been vending ~12 months and a buyer for about ~18 months and he is the established one? What a shitty piss poor example of what it means to be an 'established' vendor then.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: uniwiz on January 02, 2013, 06:55 pm
You can basically expect the same reaction from these "FE vendors" They act shocked, then blame you, while trying to tie up your BTC to punish you.
I wish people would understand the disservice this does to the group, but it's like pissing in the wind.
He is correct however, avoid this vendor, and found some one else.
The only thing these vendor will understand is a downturn in business.That why I called for a boycott of these vendors.
This problem will never end, we could at least minimize it by not supporting, but no.

These are the honest vendors pulling this shit. Nice example!
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: anonemuss2012 on January 02, 2013, 09:06 pm
This guy really doesn't quit! Even after refunding the coin that he held up (less about 2 btc, for no real reason):

Quote
refunded your money - if you cant understand that sellers have policies that are established fine - im not a NEW vendor. so im not sure what you are thinking when people explain how they require things to work and you just dismiss them. in any case id rather just give you what I tied up and continue serving people that read sellers policy and receive said product promptly. I can also assure you that nothing first class takes 2 weeks to be delivered EVER. so whoever made that remark will also face what happens when people are dishonest. Take care.    

I'm the customer who got 2 Alice in Wonderland tabs after 2 weeks had passed by...and this was not by First Class Mail. This was domestic US via PRIORITY MAIL. I paid for the priority service but was forgotten about or something because I didn't get my tabs for over 2 weeks. It was my very first transaction, so I was just happy I received tabs at all.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: Flyhigh on January 17, 2013, 02:53 am
So I attempted to order from this vendor a small quantity to inspect packing and determine quality of product. So I ordered 2 hoffmans (supposedly 150mic's)

I figured since it was domestic, the shipping option I opted for (and paid extra for) included DCN (indicated as one of the shipping options) I would be able to make use of escrow for such a small order. My current buyer stats are:

Total transactions: 81
Total spent: $18,322
Refund rate: 0.01%
Auto-finalize rate: 0%
Member for: 1 year

The vendors stats:

alphabet1's stats

http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/b8c9997494

Rank: unranked
Positive feedback: 97.8%
Total transactions: 264
Member for: 6 months

After placing the order I was requested to FE and I attempted to see if the vendor would allow me to use escrow and if not to go ahead and cancel my order. However this is the response I recieved:

"you can do as you please. its absurd that you would order from me when my policy states the FIRST PURCHASE you make must be an FE to ensure no scamming will happen.

I will now cancel your order -

Happy Holidays."

However they didn't actually cancel my order and did not ship. Instead after I pointed out on the SR wiki the small paragraph about how FE scams happen (and lately they have been on the rise) I got the following:

"have fun - it says no FE before 35 transactions I have well over that and give them lots of money in escrow and dont rip anyone off - look how happy my customers are - fuck off."

This is now in resolution center and since there has been nothing shipped I requested %100 refund (why not? Nothing has shipped, and I've not finalized, so why drag this into RC?) and posted this message:

Vendor stated on 12/17 they would be cancelling my order:

"you can do as you please. its absurd that you would order from me when my policy states the FIRST PURCHASE you make must be an FE to ensure no scamming will happen.

I will now cancel your order -

Happy Holidays."

I declined to FE so they either did one of two things, they had already shipped (however I have not yet received anything) or were simply holding coin in escrow to be difficult. Either way, no package has been received, and they had said themselves that they would be cancelling the order when they were told I would not be finalizing prior to receipt.

The response I recieved?

"My policy page clearly states that first purchase requires FE as everyone that has posted FANTASTIC feedback can see he apparently cannot - I'm sorry if his eyes dont work properly what else doesn't his brain?

Sorry SR resolution staff must waste their time with people like this - the whole reason for resolution is for when something doesn't go as planned which everyhthing would have had you FE per seller policy as has everyone else for their first transaction -

ITS THAT SIMPLE. the error was made on your behalf. PERIOD."

All I've asked is he either ship the order, or cancel but he refuses. Honestly I don't want a single fucking thing from him, I will NEVER use a vendor who is such a complete asshole on this site.

Oh and alphabet1 if you are reading this, please do come pay me a visit, your threats are complete bullshit. I really fucking dare you and I mean it. You have NO FUCKING IDEA who you are fucking with and I know you have my address so don't be shy.

hey looker he just posted http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=107187.0........It says you got full refund...

Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: sixteen0fiver on January 17, 2013, 05:04 am
He did get a full refund -

My prices arent the lowest

My quality is SUPERB

The stuff will be gone soon -

IF you think that I Have any reason to doubt anything stated above -- think again - I Wouldn't have helped bump this thread -- had I thought I had product that was anything less than superior I would charge less But I KNOW what its worth and how good it is.  So there you have it.

In the near future I will however be able to provide some new tabs that were laid with US xtal - and this will obviously get the attention of some :)

Take care and for anyone that wants quality product I HAVE IT - IT GOES FAST - and COMES QUICK

the choice is yours.

**THE fact that threads like this can even exist when people get a full refund - finalize by accident and then after talking a whole load of shit still get their money back because they wouldnt follow a sellers written CLEAR policies boggles my mind.

Hope everyone that reads this understands that SR is not the avengers the avengers is just some group someone made up apparently and its absolutely astonishing that people are so subjective to buying whatever the "avengers" say -

sorry just because WALMART has a tv for cheap I wont be buying it - its that simple.

you get what you pay for.  IF YOU CANT READ please order from someone else :) thanks I only like dealing with the competent users..  <--- if that means I have a lack of professionalism for asking people to at least know how to read then I'm sorry.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on January 17, 2013, 05:35 am
You act like it was so hard to click the refund button to Looker.  It's not.  Instead you just kept fucking with him on and on to prove some stupid fucking point.

This proves you are a jackass plain and simple.

I don't care that you state FE.  There is absolutely no reason to be such a douchebag about it afterwards.

And oh , BTW, fuck you and your retarded FE policy for overpriced shitty LSD.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: n0n00dz4u on January 17, 2013, 05:56 am
I love jow everyone has thousands spent when the amount spent is quoted in btc whose price is constantly fluctuating ::)

Honestly tie this guys hands behind his back, put him on his kness and shoot him in the back of the head with a nine.

I don't think we're the type you'd like having your address tough guy but its a little late for that now isn't it?
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on January 17, 2013, 06:26 am
I love jow everyone has thousands spent when the amount spent is quoted in btc whose price is constantly fluctuating ::)

You do realize you can change the display to dollars under your account settings right?

Most of the vendors peg the price to the dollar so it's a lot easier to read the prices this way.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: gingerballs on January 17, 2013, 06:47 am
note to self: avoid this vendor.

you can't be an asshole and expect people to come back buying more. it's going to hurt your business more than anything else.

and as a vendor, who does something like this for profit, you have to deal with people who fucked up or don't read correctly. it just comes with the territory.

but forget everything i've said just until now. the fact that you'd threaten someone because you have their address. that's the worst thing you could do. sheesh.
Title: Re: alphabet1 - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - complete lack of professionalism
Post by: opi on January 17, 2013, 07:11 am
wow with buyer stats like that I would let you stay in escrow with NO problem upto 2 grams so 750$ worth of product just cause you got 81 transactions and 18k spent, thats my kinda buyer!!

this vendor is an assclown, I've had people refuse to FE even though it clearly states if you have non-trackable shipping, less than 10 transactions, higher than 5% stats and less than 300$ spent you will have to FE, other wise DO NOT ORDER...  yet they still order and then I just cancel their order before marking in transit and if you do it after then the buyer can leave feedback.. I got screwred by that cause this noob ordered and then I told him he has to FE before I ship, the guy says OK and 6 days roll by I cancelled his order and he leaves feedback 1/5 cause I cancelled after 6 days marked in transit... fuckin noob pissed me right off... unresponsive too reads the msgs but doesn't respond...