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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: wells on November 16, 2011, 05:21 pm
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Ordered 10 gms MDMA and he PM'd me asking me to finalize early. I thought this was strange but he said he had had some "Problems" before looking at his feedback I figured I would take a chance. About a 10 days later I received to envelopes 1 had 5gms in it the other was empty otherwise both were identical. I immediately contacted DrAmsterdam and he told me that customs must have taken in but because "He wanted to have a good relationship" with me he would send the other 5gms after after waiting and waiting it never arrived so I contacted him again and he said it must be a problem on my end and then proceeded to call me a liar and said I was scamming him. Buyer beware of this guy he is what is called a "selective scammer" will deliver product to those orders in escrow buy if you finalize early DrAmsterdam will steal your money and claim it is your fault. DrAmsterdam if you are reading this YOU are the liar and the scammer not me and with your business practices you will not last long here. I hope stealing from me was worth it because now you have created a lot more than what you stole in ill will. Buyers especially new buyers on SR DO NOT finalize early with this vendor no matter how much he asks or what reasons he gives. There are plenty of other vendors on here that have the same product. Be very careful when dealing with DrAmsterdam he will steal your money given half the chance. My prediction he will vanish from SR with a bunch of peoples money in the near future.
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Doesn't sound like he scammed you at all. Sounds to me that you're lucky to have even got half of your order.
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wells, listen, why would he send you half of your order if he is planning to scam you anyway? From what you wrote is seems the problem *IS* on your end. If customs found drugs in one of the letters to you, they are most likely to check all of the future letters to your address. As for him calling you a liar you gotta see it from his perspective as well - what you described is a common pattern used by scam buyers, just check some of the recent posts.
Thanks, for the warning, but I don't see any reason to panic just yet.
Bob
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wells, listen, why would he send you half of your order if he is planning to scam you anyway? From what you wrote is seems the problem *IS* on your end. If customs found drugs in one of the letters to you, they are most likely to check all of the future letters to your address. As for him calling you a liar you gotta see it from his perspective as well - what you described is a common pattern used by scam buyers, just check some of the recent posts.
Thanks, for the warning, but I don't see any reason to panic just yet.
Bob
^^ This is exactly why vendors want people to finalize early. You have IDIOT buyers like OP, that dont understand what is going on. You are getting DRUGS shipped internationally through the mail. You got half your order, be fucking happy you got that. As for what happened, custom could have caught the second letter and flagged your address. Or your post man saw you got two letters from NL, and took one. Then saw another and took it as well. From a business standpoint stealing your 5g is not worth his time. Maybe if it was 500g but 5g? really, you think he would risk ruining his vendor account for 5g? Thats probably about 125$ USD worth of MDMA to him.
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I received both envelopes and they were identical one had half the order and the other had nothing in it. Otherwise they were completely intact. So the problem isn't that the envelopes weren't getting through it is that he was only filling half the order. This is called double dipping, Then claiming to have sent a replacement and then blaming it on an alleged customs intercept. The envelopes did NOT get intercepted. There were no love letters etc. This is a common scam where dealers like dramsterdam take payment for product and then send out empty envelopes and claim they were seized by or intercepted by customs. Sometimes they even pre-print love letters and put them in the envelope. If you check DrAmsterdam's feedback you will see I am not the first one he has done this too. So I know you may feel I am a cry baby and lucky to have gotten anything at all etc. but I do not lie, I have absolutely no reason too. I have completed many successful transactions on SR with perfectly honest vendors and I know when I have been had. Sorry but that is just the way it is. I know some of you may feel like I am blowing this out of proportion but I am not this is a selective scam on the part of dramsterdam and I am sure you will agree with me once you see the pattern of behavior played out on other parties. Oh and thanks for calling me an idiot buyer way to elevate the conversation :)
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I agree with the above posters. I have received multiple international orders from the Dr with no issue. Sounds like there may be an issue with your address, also, I've heard that any mail coming from NL-US is super hot right now.
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i am also having problems with dramsterdam. i ordered two ten gram packages to two different addresses. Its been almost two weeks and nothing has shown up to either. i have had great luck with NL(juergan,aakoven, mitanox). The only problem i have had has been with multiple shipments and re-shipments from schizofreen(selective scammer). i hope this is not the same with dramsterdam but will update. luckily i stayed in escrow and only go out for people like mitanox who i respect and actually trust. i will update if things change
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i love how people that have succesful deliveries from vendors stivk up for theyre guy. but whos to say the op isnt telling the truth? i mean look at dutchqualitybeans to this day even with his horrible reputation u see some schmuck saying dqb is the best vendor on sr and people r crazy and lying bout his reputation. yea because they were one of the lucky ones to recieve theyr product. doesnt mean just because ur treated fairly that everybody is treated fairly by that vendor. i have my guy and i love my vendor and prob wont order from anybody else and if anybody talks bad bout my guy ill kick theyre ass!! lol just kidding but seriously lighten up people he may really have been scammed
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As soon as somebody has successfully completed a transaction with any vendor, he will kiss his ass through the forum to increase chances of getting lower prices, thats why even DQB gets good reputation from some guys, (If he is a S-Scammer, dunno, never had to do with him)
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Hey all,
I see Wells started a personal vendetta against me because his orders did not came trough. I regret this because I try to deliver a high standard of communication and service for all my buyers. I have the ambition to be one of the top vendors on SR and selective scamming people is not going to help me with that.
When a buyer tells me his package did not arrive I have to make an assessment if this is true and if I will give him a reship or refund. This is not always easy to asses but Ive found a few patterns that give me guidelines on how I handle certain situations. I need these guidelines because ive dozens of messages and orders every day and it takes me most of my day everyday to handle them. You don't hear me complaining:), just letting you guys know that I work pretty hard to get everybody satisfied:)
Wells sorry your shipments didnt get trough the system isnt perfect:(
To the rest thx for understanding!
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Dramsterdam thanks again for blaming me yet again for you not fulfilling your commitments if you had just been honest from the beginning I would have no issue with your service but insisting that I finalize my payment early then sending out an empty envelope and claiming it is a problem on my end is such a transparent lie that it's laughable. Do you really think your the first dealer to think of that trick, then claiming to send out a replacement but you're a little low on supplies at the moment (even though your filling everyone elses orders) not knowing exactly when it was shipped basically means you are just trying to shut me up. Then accusing me of being a scammer and ceasing communication merely adds fuel to the fire. It would have been so much easier for you to have been straight from the beginning and you could have avoided all these bad feelings. We all know how it works get the money upfront then scim a little here and a little there so noone will notice in your overall feedback. The vendors who last are the ones who do what they say they will do. The money is not an issue and as far as a "personal vendetta" I don't even know who you are so I don't see how that is possible. Dramsterdam maybe you have learned from this experience and maybe moving forward you will change your ways. I certainly hope so because in this business Dramsterdam karma will always come back to you tenfold. I could have chosen any number of vendors to purchase from but I decided to give you a chance. It really is my own fault for releasing payment early especially after you told me you had had problems in the past but I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt. Another lesson learned on SR and an experience I will share with others so that they can make a more informed decision about who to do business with. I have nothing against you personally, like I said I have no idea who you are, this is merely business, I'm sure you're probably an ok person when you're not doing business but I can only evaluate you based on the information you have provided. So Dramsterdam I hope you're business works out well for you and you don't treat your future customers the way you treated me and I'm sure you'll make all the gobs of money you want to make and have a successful future.
wells
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The Dr. is the best dr in the world! I really appreciate him. And will continue to do business with him.
Possibly someone stole your letter. Or it was found in the mail.
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Wells this is the last thing im gonna say about it, sorry again it didnt work out with you package. Im not (selective)scamming people, I have no reason to because business the honest way is way better, and hope to be a top seller on this site as long as Silkroad lasts.
Kind regards, the Dr.
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it has been over 3 weeks after ordering two ten gram packages to two different locations. i have had other packages arrive to other friends houses from mitanox in the same time frame that came in 5 days. selective scamming or maybe packaging needs improvement. i had a 1 gram package earlier that showed up which is why i took the plunge for bulk. i dont see the package coming because it has never taken more then two weeks for anything from NL to come to my area.
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dealers hand out half measures all the time, and thats face to face....
the motivations are usually ;-
1. major cash flow issues...
2. shit supply, and the good stuff is cut and recut...and hence runs out of the product...
3. has a major habit and cant seperate business from pleasure...
4. was too high and didnt know what was delivered whether post or in person...
i tend to agree, (in my opinion..) don't see why they goods would be removed from the letter then resealed and sent off to its destination, don't they usually just confiscate the whole "parcel"....?!
unfortunately i could count good sellers over a 20yr period on my one hand.
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Hi there I just want to clarify that I don't have anything against Dramsterdam personally seeing as I don't even know him. I am merely reporting the facts and you can decide for yourself. But for the sake of clarity let me just explain how the events went down. Made a bulk order for 10 grams and he insisted I finalize early which I did (My fault) got two envelopes from NL from Dramsterdam on the same day. 1 had 5 grams in it and the other identical envelope was empty. You be the judge. He said he would send a replacement but "wasn't sure when it would go out". After 3 weeks of no replacement I contacted him again and he accused me of being a scammer buyer and ceased communication. C'mon Dramsterdam do you really think we were born yesterday? The money isn't an issue if you have a good product and good service we are happy to pay you. But you have a responsibility to do what you say you will do. Saying you're sorry things didn't work out just isn't good enough I'm afraid. You never offered a partial refund and you never sent out a replacement package (We both know that). Dramsterdam maybe you just don't understand the difference between right and wrong. I hope you have learned from this experience and that you do treat your future customers better. Keep the money you must obviously need it, spend it on something nice for yourself like a mirror that you can take a nice long hard look at yourself in. I am pleased to say I have not had the same experience with any other vendors here, but then again they don't insist I finalize early either so...lesson learned. Overall Silk Road is a great community and I agree with SR it is the wild west.
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People get over-excited and make mistakes, obvious ones in hindsight. I mean this place is like an all you can eat buffet for newbies.
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People get over-excited and make mistakes, obvious ones in hindsight. I mean this place is like an all you can eat buffet for newbies.
Please stop plagiarizing me!
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Don't say I didn't warn you look at Dramsterdam's feedback it speaks for itself I predict he will be gone with plenty of peoples money in no time. If you order bulk from Dramsterdam he will only send you half or send nothing at all and refund you only a percentage of your BTC. Stay away.
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Hello wells my again, just saying a last few words about scamming. If a packages not arrived I send every customer a 60% refund. I think that's fair because of we all know that the success rate of drugs ordering by mail is not 100%. So i think its fair that vendor and buyer both paying for that risk.
Kind regards, the Dr.
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This thread really makes me sad/angry. I think some people here jump the gun way too soon with these international NL orders. NL packs are watched more closely than other packs coming into the US, so there is a much higher chance of them being seized. You don't always receive a love letter when a pack is seized, often if it's small enough they just chuck it. I have had about 40 percent of my NL orders to the US not come through, and they were all from established, reputable members of the SR and OVDB.
However, NONE of these orders that never showed were from Dr. Amsterdam. Dr. Amsterdam always came through quickly for me, and responded to my PM's within day or two. His shipping methods are spot on, and his MDMA quality is THE BEST I have ever gotten on SR, hands down, this isn't the only thread I've said that in either.
I suggest you and the Dr. communicate more to resolve this issue, no reason to spread FUD for a vendor who really seems quite modest compared to some other big names here....
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Hi DrAmsterdam if my items had been intercepted and you had refunded me 60% I wouldn't complain but they didn't get intercepted they arrived you just didn't put anything in half of them and then came up with excuse after excuse. If you had honestly tried to resolve the issue I wouldn't complain either but you just called me a scammer buyer and ceased to answer my emails. A word of warning Dramsterdam will try to get you to finalize your order early don't do it or you'll get scammed the same way I did. He won't be here very much longer anyway selective scammers don't last.
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Dr. Amsterdam has never asked me to finalize early, and that's even with shipping to the US. Name me one other NL vendor who won't require you to finalize early for US shipments...you can't. Granted, my orders have all been under 5 grams.
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Well he insisted I finalize early and like an idiot I did so really it was my fault and I learned my lesson to stay in escrow always or just walk away. Buy bulk from him you'll get scammed guaranteed just keep watching him... the truth will come out but people are free to believe things as they want and I'm sure there is nothing I can do or say to change anyone's mind.
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DRamsterdam is a good guy, so I feel the need to stick up for him here. I have had many dealings with the Dr., ranging from small to very sizable orders, most of them out of escrow. Every single one has come through. In fact, I had another fairly large combined order (4 different substances) arrive today.
There's no way in my book that DRamsterdam is a scammer or anything of that nature.
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Well it looks like you were one of the lucky ones so congratulations unfortunately not everyone is held in as such a high regard as yourself so feel lucky to be one of the chosen few to receive full orders while the rest of us our selectively scammed by Dramsterdam. Just a quick side note:For me it is not a principal of money, it's out of fairness. One of these days this business will emerge from the underground and become legitimate until then you have to honestly point out problems so they can be fixed. Maybe the good Dramsterdam will learn a thing or two about customer service and the effect bad customer service can have.
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Don't have personal experience with DR but yesterday thought it would be cool to try DR's acid. So I checked the feedback especially for acid and I didn't order. Why? As you know acid seizures are rare and DR have just too much feedback stating "did not arrived" for them.
Yes, it could be that letters are getting lost but it's also rare these days that simple plain letters going on that way. We can take Asbjorn for example who sells only acid. He have almost 300 transactions and I have read all of them, for now I found only one statement of not arrived letter and if you have ordered from Asbjorn you know he don't send registered letters.
I don't have nothing personal against DR and I can't say much as I don't have personal experience with this vendor but I should say please be careful. Numbers just have tendency for no mercy and you can always trust probabilities if you can't trust the person.
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^^ This is exactly why vendors want people to finalize early. You have IDIOT buyers like OP, that dont understand what is going on. You are getting DRUGS shipped internationally through the mail. You got half your order, be fucking happy you got that. As for what happened, custom could have caught the second letter and flagged your address. Or your post man saw you got two letters from NL, and took one. Then saw another and took it as well. From a business standpoint stealing your 5g is not worth his time. Maybe if it was 500g but 5g? really, you think he would risk ruining his vendor account for 5g? Thats probably about 125$ USD worth of MDMA to him.
Hi,
1. OP is not an idiot.
2. OP should NOT be lucky he got half of his order. He paid for X and should get X.
3. Your defense of this behavior and attitude should be a HUGE warning sign to avoid you as a vendor.
4. I almost purchased some of your penis envy + blue dream until I saw the MANDATORY finalize.
NEVER NEVER NEVER FINALIZE EARLY.
THE ESCROW SYSTEM IS SETUP TO PROTECT BOTH BUYER / VENDOR. VENDORS WHO WANT YOU TO FINALIZE EARLY SHOULD BE AVOIDED AT ALL COSTS. PERIOD.
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I am sorry for you loss of 5g's, wells.
Not to hop on the bandwagon or refute your argument but I would like to note my successful relationship with Dr.Amsterdam
All orders yet have been filled and arrived to midwest in less than 7 days. No complaints on product. This does include successful acid orders.
While you may agree with other posters in that his feedback contains too many failed shipments compared to others in the same region, I have not had this problem. This absolutely is something you need to decide for yourself when you make a decision.
All deals have been transacted within escrow, so no personal experience on that matter. I do appreciate the Dr. but am sorry for your loss.
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look only at the feedbacks in the last 20 sites, he have really many "lost, 60% refunds" with 5/5 points.
im live in his neighboars country, now is it 7 days after the order and the package is still not here (normaly it takes from netherlands 2-3 days), since 6 years im live in the same place and never had a lost package...hmmmmmmm
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I lost a 5g MDMA deal with him as well. No attempt to prove it was sent, no reship, nothing. Just "sorry, must have been customs. here is 60%" either he's just weird and his packaging sucks, or maybe the package was never sent. the loss rates on his LSD are astronomical too... seems odd to me, but i'm not saying he's scamming. just be aware, you might never get your stuff.
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yep, he have really to manyyyy "lost, 60% refunds" with 4/5 or 5/5 points, his business rival from netherlands "aakhoven" didnt have this.
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I actually think this claim of selective scam may be legitimate. I was another one who ordered to the US. After 2 weeks I started messaging and DR told me to wait until 20 days had passed. On the 20th day and no arrival I messaged him and he immediately offered 60% refund and sent that to me. Not much in the way of discussion or offers other than "shipping doesn't always make it to the US." This was my first failed shipping on SR (of about 7 transactions and 2 from NL) so I just agreed that it happens and accepted the refund. I was a little skeptical that he was so fast to offer the refund and move on. I guess I somehow felt lucky just to get the 60% back because I believed he really shipped it and customs got it. Afterall I do realize these vendors take a risk and they shouldn't have to cover all lost package costs if it really isn't their fault.
I became really nervous about NL vendors, wasn't sure if I was on a "list"now or whatever. Gave Ivory a shot from the UK and the package arrived no problem within a week. I then decided I'd give NL one last shot with Mitanox, he does have a ridiculously good success rate from NL. Package arrives in 7 days no problem.
So why I do realize NL to US customs is harsh, I've now had about 9 successful shipments from various parts of the world including 2 from NL. The only one that didn't make it is DRamsterdam.
I can't say for sure whether there is selective scamming going on or not, but I'm suspect. On top of tough customs, there are a lot of "shipments not received" in DRs feedback despite his high rating. At the very least he should try to improve packaging(take a note from Mitanox!) if he intends to retain customers. It's either scamming or poor packaging and I'm not interested in either.
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My only order from NL that was seized was DrAmsterdam's as well.... actually I never had an order seized, just his. It was an order for LSD too, and most of my cid will come from NL.... never placed an order with him again. He did promptly give me a 50% refund.......... still a drag if you ask me. I don't want to blame or flame him, but it was LSD.......... take the situation what you may....
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I also had this small suspicion of dr doing 'selective scamming'... I tried him out at 1 g of mephedrone and never arrived. As a rule of thumb, if things don't work out on a first transaction... vendor just lost my business. I still gave him 5 out of 5 but it seems that this happens allot for Dr.
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So you "buy" from Dramsterdam and he waits 20 days, holding your coin and then give half of it back, never sending you a thing. LOL... what a way to make some coin. and people are still sending him coin. Well as long as people are willing to give him half their money, why shouldnt he take it? Wise up and stop giving him your money.
@anaballin, why did you give him 5/5? You can go back and change that you know...
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DrAmsterdam a nationalist who discriminates against us Americans?..good to know :P Plenty of other fish in the sea guys! My condolences to those who had to take one for the team to sniff out this vendor!
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im live in his neigbours country an never have a lost from netherlands.
it is strange to see the 4/5 & 5/5 feedbacks with "60% refunds", so long people not let him a bad comment he makes a good business here. >:(
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I did my research before my first order from DrAmsterdam and found that up to 1 in 5 drug shipments from the Netherlands to the U.S. are seized by U.S. customs. Do people in this thread not know this?
That said, I received my order from DrAmsterdam to the U.S. just fine. But every order from the Netherlands is risky. Do your homework people.
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I did my research before my first order from DrAmsterdam and found that up to 1 in 5 drug shipments from the Netherlands to the U.S. are seized by U.S. customs. Do people in this thread not know this?
That said, I received my order from DrAmsterdam to the U.S. just fine. But every order from the Netherlands is risky. Do your homework people.
I rarely lose shipments to the US (I lose more packs inside the EU, no kidding). There was one shipment where I lost alot of orders once but they were all traced back to a certain droppoint for the mail which I dont use anymore. This was in the december period here and alof of mail boxes got blow up by fireworks. 90% of all my packs go to the US and in my opinion its the easiest to send drugs there if you pack it well.
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I understand that the us customs is more strict over shiipments from certain countries, netherlands being one of them... but i mean come on, i don't see this many complaints of 'missing package, here take 60%' from any other vendor.
I'm sure there's a reason why it seems that this mostly happens with Dr.. you can't deny, its at least a litttle suspicious
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90% of all my packs go to the US and in my opinion its the easiest to send drugs there if you pack it well.
I just checked another Netherlands vendor that I might order from. He says 95% successful delivery rate to the U.S. But another vendor, can't remember who, says 80% success to the U.S. from Netherlands is the norm. I can't count how many times I've read on the forums that U.S. customs checks Netherlands packages more than any other for illegal drugs.
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Hello people,
As many of you guys know I take this job very seriously and service and quality are of my highest concern. I'm a busy man and this is a fulltime job for me nowdays. Half of my day I spend anwering messages and the other half I spend making packages. I anwer every mail within 24 hours and ship all my packages with in 24 hours. But because I'm very busy I do not always have the time to talk exstensively with everybody. If a package does not arrive at its destination I try to solve the matter as quickly as possible. Most of the time this is a 60% refund because I want to be reasonable and share the risk of the shipment not arriving. I have to take up the buyers word that the shipment is lost or seized.
Evertbody that received a package from me nows that I have a high standard of packaging and im always looking to improve it. Because mail from the Netherlands more hot than from a lot of other countries I'm now offering shipments from Belgium. For a slightly higer shipment fee I can now ship your orders from belgium once a week. So for all the people that do not want to receive mail from the netherlands but do like my products I think this is a nice sollution.
Claims of me selective scamming people is rediculous!! Why would I put my good rep on the line for a few btc when I can have good long term relationships and make tons of money. I have a neverending supply of drugs so I have totally no reason to not ship your orders.
For all the honest people that will have a problem with a shipment of mine in the future I will up my refund percentage to 65% I sincerly hope that nobody will take advantage of this.
Shipment option from Belgium will be up on monday.
Kind regards your Dr