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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: VitoCorleone on December 20, 2012, 12:39 am
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escrow (usd) escrow (btc) available
$506.63 ฿304.88 ฿129.23
not sure why the escrow in USD doesn't match the amount in btc but that is copied exactly.
it is only the usd escrow from the first of the two orders that are sitting in escrow. 2gs of h from smileawhile and 1g of fent from mrdutchguy
Recent purchasing statistics
Total transactions: 52
Total spent: ฿821.17
Refund rate: 2.06%
Auto-finalize rate: 1.08%
Member for: 10 months
Wrong weight and it was weird brown "crystals" not at all what was pictured. This is what I got: http://i.imgur.com/hsZ0M.jpg Definitely not 5gs and definitely different than the product pages' picture.
I ordered 5gs from the vendor Mindguru. I only received about ~1.5 grams (1.4). It was in a vacuum seal and there was nothing else in the box he sent me except for a little wooden statue. I thought, clearly there must be some mistake. He must have just sent me one gram (gave extra because i was a new customer maybe?) and forgot that I had ordered 5gs or misplaced my order to another buyer. I teared through the box multiple times after being told that there were 2 more vacuum sealed bags... I felt truly perplexed. I looked again, and again, and still have the packaging. Finally I decided to enter the resolution center. I went into resolution and described thoroughly and accurately exactly what had happened. After about a week in resolution center, and being called a "bullshit artist", with basically zero end of Mindgurus side of the story, I received a message informing me that I am to receive a zero percent refund. Zero.
Right now I feel sick to my stomach. I lost out about 80% of what I spent. About five hundred dollars... How is this possible? I feel literally sick to my stomach. How is this possible? The vendor has 100% positive feedback. I can't believe it..
I guess I'm just venting, I feel so bad... I just wanted the money back..
--------------------------- Here is my response to Mindgurus response to this thread, including what he wrote. Nothing has been altered in anyway from the post below. ---------------------------
**** AS YOU CAN SEE MINDGURUS RATING HAS DROPPED TO 92 ******
Heres what happened. I received the package with some tears in the corner of the box ( yeah a box how crazy is that, not an envelope!) MG, Look it up with the post office, they have it marked as "damaged" in transit.
I think someone in the post office on MGs side ripped off part of the product, or he did it himself in order to make it appear that the post office did. Admittedly, I ordered 5gs on my first order, HUGE mistake.
I'm not sure the price of btc when I purchased it and the amount of BTC it is for 5gs has changed. I think it was about 1000 dollars but I'm not sure. As for the weight, I weighed it right away, but I don't have a very good scale. It was about ~1.4g
I don't have the SR resolution transaction anymore. I should've saved it, we were in resolution for a long time. I didn't think there was reason to save it especially because I thought there was no way I wouldn't get the refund.
*** You guys are also missing the point that he sent BROWN shit to me not even close to what was pictured. Even if I did get 5gs then this would be grounds alone for a refund would it not? It was garbage!!! ***
I wish he would just give me at least some sort of refund. I would even happily buy from him again.
MINDGURU: Why don't you post the pics as well? Yeah. Didn't think so. I honestly don't think it was you, I think it was the post office but for the longest time I believed it was you simply because it didn't make any sense that you would divide the bags.
I SWEAR ON MY LIFE that I DID NOT receive 5GRAMS! I STILL have the package. I spend HUNDREDS of BTC. I'm not some crazy dope fiend. I want people to be aware of the fact that SHIT HAPPENS, and NEVER fall for it. Mindguru could be a selective scammer, I ordered 5gs on my first order which was a huge fucking mistake. but i DID NOT RECIEVE 5GS!!!!
You guys are morons for believing what Mindguru is writing. OF COURSE IT MAKES SENSE. He has 97% positive feedback! OF COURSE THE STORY DOESN'T ADD UP! I didn't get what I ordered! Mindguru is swaft - a lying manipulator. For instance he says first thing "I have to crush the crystals" - okay so crushing the product makes it change color and lose all of its potency? Bullshit.
I HAVE NO REASON TO FUCKING LIE!
********BELOW I **DESTROY** MINDGURUS RESPONDE BY BREAKING IT DOWN AND REFUTING EVERYTHING HE SAYS BY EXPOSING HIS LIES**********
@@@READ THIS@@@
Mindguru's list with my response for every single one.
1. " I cannot send the crysals/rocks as it is, for the sake of stealth i have to crush them. " ------ This is blatant manipulation. I did not say they were crushed. That wasn't the complaint. The complaint was that it was BROWN, and NOT potent. I used all of it and barely felt anything. http://i.imgur.com/hsZ0M.jpg - Here it is
2. "This person is lying - he has changed his version of the quantity 3 times - first he said "under two grams". then he said "1 gram" and now he is stuck on 1.4 grams" ------ Another manipulation, I said it was "not even 2gs" And then I said it was 1.4 I never said 1 gram, I said "just over 1g" This is patent manipulation.
3. "I never even made a package that was 1.4g, it is not my standard size listing and i never pack such odd quantities" ------ Here was one of my theories. He may have accidentally (i doubt it was intentional if this is the case) sent me 1gram. In the resolution center he said 'I >ALWAYS< ship exact amounts, 1g and 2g packets'. This was after I said he may have sent a 1g order and given over for whatever reason, because hes a good guy, or because I'm a new customer. Well, look whos lying now! "you will find numerous instances where people have said that they received OVER their ordered quanity, I ALWAYS PACK A LITTLE EXTRA....ALWAYS!!!!" He said in the resolution center that he "NEVER" puts over. It's "ALWAYS" exact. Here is a lie that may be key evidence in proving that Mindguru is a selective scammer, or lied to cover up the mistake of sending the wrong amount. If he DID send the wrong amount, well, no one would claim to have received 5gs if he sent it to someone else. This is because he would never ship to them again until they paid him back. So they would just keep quiet about the whole thing. Right? Am I starting to make sense now?
4." in SR feedback, he says he was scammed for 1000$. his total transaction was about 750+shipping. here he says he was scammed for 500$." ------ Excuse me for not knowing the exact price of the BTC and the product a month ago when the purchase was made. It was definitely over 500 (he says 750) Well there you go, 750 thats A LOT OF MONEY REGARDLESS. Besides, what does it matter if it was 75 dollars or 750? It was a SCAM and he is MANIPULATING YOU AND ME by drawing attention to little discrepancies. This is manipulation in order to take peoples attention away from the actual issues and the lies the vendor is saying. If I said anything wrong it was a MISTAKE, not a lie.
5. "When he ordered, at first he wanted me to send him the product "without tracked shipping" while being allowed to stay in escrow. I refused, since I would have NO PROOF OF PRODUCT BEING DELIVERED. He kept on insisting that i send it without tracking, when i was firm with my answer, he VERY RELUCTANTLY agreed for tracked shipping. HE IS STILL TO PAY ME 30$ for tracked shipping, which he has YET NOT PAID." ------ At this point I had rarely bought items with tracking that required signatures. Because it was 5grams I figured this would be unsafe. We contacted eachother and as I remember I asked him if it would be safer to go without tracking and as I recall he said yes it would be, just go regular. So he contacted me later saying he was now uncomfortable sending 5grams. The entire shipping thing I think is completely irrelevant. I would be happy to reimburse him for the shipping if he agreed to send me 3 grams (forget the ~.6 I just want MOST of what I paid for, I would be happy to order again in the future if he worked with me and apologized for this mistake)
6. "It was on this guy's mind to scam me from day one, which is why he wanted me to send such a large order untracked, so I would have no proof of the item getting delivered or not. would be very easy for him to raise a dispute if I had no proof of the item getting delivered." ------ This is total bullshit, In fact he agreed that if the package did not arrive via regular shipping that he would give me a 100% refund instead of 50%. Here is another lie. "
I ask for a better refund because I think 50% seems unfair ncase of missing package.
I will offer you 75% refund if customs intercept the package...hope that is more fair?
After asking again he says this
I have also recently added a new meathod of post... if you want I can send it using DHL which will be delivered in about 3 days time but the cost of this is roughly 50$. My usual way of sending is through India Post, which will get delivered by USPS, that costs between 20-25$ depending on where its going.
I have never had a problem once the package leaves india....when I did have a problem one time it was a bunch of mail getting stuck over here itself.
but >*YOU SEEM LIKE A GENUINE GUY*<, so I can offer you 100% refund in case the mail doesnt reach you for any reason... be it customs or any other reason.
If he thought I was a genuine guy, why is he now sayng I'm not? He is obviously lying, hes using the exact same word. If he was telling the truth he'd say he found out I wasn't, or that I'm dishonest. Basically if he was telling the truth he'd use any other word. This is basic psychology, its a way of manipulating people into believing you. The SR staff didn't read all the messages, or they would've seen I was telling the truth. Maybe they did read the messages, but they said that it was because he had better stats than I do, even though I've been here longer. It's because I haven't spent as much as he made. You see SR is based on comimission, meaning they get a cut of everything that is sold here. However without the buyers there is no cut. So driving away vendors is worse than driving away customers *ONLY IF* they make more than the customers SPEND. YOU SEE? Otherwise they would've forced a full refund.
7. "Now he could not claim that the item was undelivered, so he went ahead and raised a dispute of the quantity being not proper. This is just bullshit." ------ I could've claimed anything, but I TELL THE TRUTH, AND I *TOLD THE TRUTH*. I said I did not get the correct amount and it was different than what he pictured. It was INFERIOR product. I have tried almost every vendor who has sold here in the last 9 months' heroin. I don't mess around! I have tried everything and everyone from #3 to tar to #4 (i stick to #4, only done #3 and tar from 2 diff vendors) from Tony76 to Noriega, smileawhile, chyna whyte, Fanny Hill, NogenRX to psilocin. ***I HAD TO USE ALMOST HALF TO FEEL ANYTHING*** My tolerance with NoGen's (i still have some stashed up so I compared) is 80mg to be nodding.
8. "I have close to 120 transactions, I can challenenge this guy, call even ONE OTHER customer of mine who can say what this guy is saying - that i selectively scammed him - or i sent the wrong quantity." ------ Mindguru does not have EXACTLY 100% positive feedback. The score next to the name rounds up, you can see this on his mind page. It has JUST dropped to 92. I have about half as many purchases as this vendor has sells and I have spent nearly 1000 btc. 'ranked in the top 87% of sellers with 92.2% positive feedback from 115 transactions'
10. "Read my feedback, read my forum feedback, you will find numerous instances where people have said that they received OVER their ordered quanity, I ALWAYS PACK A LITTLE EXTRA....ALWAYS!!!!" ------ So what about this 'I never even made a package that was 1.4g, it is not my standard size listing and i never pack such odd quantities'? What about that Mindguru? Anything over 1g and under 2gs could be considered an "odd quantity" see? Caught you in another lie. Either you accidentally sent me 1g and don't want to admit it or you just sent me 1g of some leftovers you had from another batch. Regardless, it WAS 1.4 and you lied about having exact amounts which you told me 2 times on SR. See this lie, everyone?
11. "If someone is ordereing 5g from me, and tells me he will order more regularly, WHY THE HELL WILL I SCAM HIM?? I am here to do business, most of my customers are regular customers, that is because I DO NOT SCAM PEOPLE." ------ This is something you will hear from every selective scammer. He is just hiding. ****Part of the reason a vendor would choose to scam early on is because the buyer will have a better chance winning in resolution, see?**** The other reasons are that ****scamming early on presents less damage to feedback, because the buyer can go back and change feedback from every single purchase.****
SEE? Selective scammers are thinking people. They know exactly what they are doing. They are smart. They manipulate people into trusting them but they have reasons for what they do and why they do it. Everything just goes so smoothly. You see if I didn't post my responses here, then no one would believe me and everyone would carry on about their day and forget about me. I am smart too. I don't intend to brag but I have an extremely high IQ. I am not just some "dumb dopefiend" as someone called me in this thread. I bet you are now leaning towards believing me. Am I right? If you are, then you are smart, because I am not lying about this. I have no reason to lie. What do I have to gain? I just want people to never get scammed by this vendor or any other vendor again.
12. even when I offered 50% refunds for undelivered packages, I ALWAYS REFUNDED 100% to any customer who had a genuine issue. If you are a genuine person, I will go above and beyond to make sure you are satisfied. This is strange coming from someone who sent this message to me 1 month ago.
MindGuru(92) you seem like a genuine guy, so I can offer you 100% refund in case the mail doesnt reach you for any reason... be it customs or any other reason. 1 month read delete
13. "THIS GUY IS A BULLSHIT ARTIST! UNBELIEVABLE!" ------ Really? I am? Go through this list as many times as you need and you will see who is truly the "bullshit artist". The use of insults also betrays a sense of nervousness and desperation. To most it may appear to be confidence, in reality this is just an attempt to get you to rally up behind him "yeah, this guy is a bullshit artist!!!" People like to get mad, and they will believe what they see first, what makes the most sense, and what they can easily trust. This is the same reason that people gang up on people in high school against kids they don't even know. They follow the leader. Its called pack mentality. People also trust what they believe to be true, which is based on the most concise information that they have known. You may know this vendor to have a good reputation, and good product, so you are inclined to believe him. This is why there are a lot of people who do not believe in Darwin's theory of evolution, because they know what they know, and are unwilling to investigate all of the information. Most people i know who grew up believing evolution was some 'conspiracy theory' ended up changing their opinion entirely when they read about it of by themselves and examined all of the information. Same thing happened with TomorrowMan and now you will see despite allll of those sales his rating has dropped because some people have been selectively scammed. Always, for big amounts. If you look through TMans feedback you will see someone who got scammed for 10gs. This is selective scamming and at this point I believe with all my heart that Mindguru is a selective scammer.
escrow (usd) escrow (btc) available
$506.63 ฿304.88 ฿129.23
not sure why the escrow in USD doesn't match the amount in btc but that is copied exactly.
it is only the usd escrow from the first of the two orders that are sitting in escrow. 2gs of h from smileawhile and 1g of fent from mrdutchguy
Recent purchasing statistics
Total transactions: 52
Total spent: ฿821.17
Refund rate: 2.06%
Auto-finalize rate: 1.08%
Member for: 10 months
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I'm interested in seeing what MG has to say. Since you're already at the point of calling him a scammer and he called you a bullshit artist you're well past the point of amicable resolution, so why not post whatever communications you've had back and forth up to this point?
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yeah, I've got to say I'm on the side of MindGuru until proven otherwise. You can't be a selective scammer with 100% feedback on 100+ shipments.
Your review says you were scammed for $1000, and you say $500 here. His pictures show brown looking shit.
You probably just threw the box away and couldn't find the other bags. HA!
Where's the proof? I wouldn't give you a refund either.
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^^^ I agree with what this guy said. Especially since you lied either in your feedback or here on the forums, since you say you lost $500 but feedback says $1000
So your already willing to lie!
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yeah, I've got to say I'm on the side of MindGuru until proven otherwise. You can't be a selective scammer with 100% feedback on 100+ shipments.
Sure you can, browse through feedback on the main site long enough and you'll see plenty of 5/5 reviews where nothing ever arrived, or product arrived but wasn't strong at all, potentially fake or cut so badly it might as well have been fake, but the person finalized with a high rating anyway because it's a "trusted vendor". Ratings are only a vague guide here because people refuse to use them properly.
In this case like I said I want to hear what MG says, stuff arrived but the wrong amount according to OP, and he says it doesn't match the listing (anyone have a link? I can't see MGs account). Is it good stuff or not?
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1. I cannot send the crysals/rocks as it is, for the sake of stealth i have to crush them.
2. This person is lying - he has changed his version of the quantity 3 times - first he said "under two grams". then he said "1 gram" and now he is stuck on 1.4 grams
3. I never even made a package that was 1.4g, it is not my standard size listing and i never pack such odd quantities
4. in SR feedback, he says he was scammed for 1000$. his total transaction was about 750+shipping. here he says he was scammed for 500$.
5. When he ordered, at first he wanted me to send him the product "without tracked shipping" while being allowed to stay in escrow. I refused, since I would have NO PROOF OF PRODUCT BEING DELIVERED. He kept on insisting that i send it without tracking, when i was firm with my answer, he VERY RELUCTANTLY agreed for tracked shipping. HE IS STILL TO PAY ME 30$ for tracked shipping, which he has YET NOT PAID.
6. It was on this guy's mind to scam me from day one, which is why he wanted me to send such a large order untracked, so I would have no proof of the item getting delivered or not. would be very easy for him to raise a dispute if I had no proof of the item getting delivered.
7. Now he could not claim that the item was undelivered, so he went ahead and raised a dispute of the quantity being not proper. This is just bullshit.
8. I have close to 120 transactions, I can challenenge this guy, call even ONE OTHER customer of mine who can say what this guy is saying - that i selectively scammed him - or i sent the wrong quantity.
10. Read my feedback, read my forum feedback, you will find numerous instances where people have said that they received OVER their ordered quanity, I ALWAYS PACK A LITTLE EXTRA....ALWAYS!!!!
11. If someone is ordereing 5g from me, and tells me he will order more regularly, WHY THE HELL WILL I SCAM HIM?? I am here to do business, most of my customers are regular customers, that is because I DO NOT SCAM PEOPLE.
12. even when I offered 50% refunds for undelivered packages, I ALWAYS REFUNDED 100% to any customer who had a genuine issue. If you are a genuine person, I will go above and beyond to make sure you are satisfied.
13. THIS GUY IS A BULLSHIT ARTIST! UNBELIEVABLE!
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Straight from the horses mouth, folks. He sounded fishy to me, constantly switching up his story and all. Especially when he puts he was scammed for 1000 in SR feedback ( which I looked at ) where your 5 g listing is there clearly visible for around 750. Story just doesn't make sense.
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OP - is a 15 year old kid trying to scam Mindguru who is working hard. This guy need to get a job!
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I'm a juror -- OP is a fucking moron.
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This is why we lose a lot of good vendors on SR, because of sketchy/scamming buyers who are always trying to pull some bullshit. OP's story doesn't add up and MindGuru provides a clear and precise counter that makes complete sense and tells the whole truth. MindGuru - I hope you notify the other vendors about this scamming prick and have him put on every vendor's black list.
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OP has started another thread with the same complaint, I have posted my response there as well. Also, posting below OP's last message to me which he sent via PM on SR:
hey man dont fall for his bullshit, if you refund him any amount then that makes YOU the sucker. He is retarded saying he will send you the $30 for the shipping he owes but then he also asks about a refund lol.
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Also, posting OP's last PM to me which he sent on SR:
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usualsuspect Ok look. I'm sorry for getting so angry at you. I have a feeling that this wasn't your fault. Please talk to me because at this point you have nothing to lose by just talking to me. I just don't want this to happen to anyone else. I could tell from the beginning that you are a good guy. Let me tell you something I haven't said before. When I picked up the box at the post office, it was sort of "smashed" and there were rips in the corner of the box. I figured it was because it had been pressed down by other packages and just tore the paper/tape. However, because of the amount of tape there I figure this is not possible. I'm not sure if you can do this, but if you can look up the tracking number on the post system, you will see that they checked "Damaged". I was worried they wanted to open the box to see if anything inside had been damaged but they just marked it as "Damaged" in the computer system. This is what I think happened, Mindguru: I think someone knows your boxes. I think they work in the post office and know what you are sending, I think they are cutting into the side, between the two boxes and taking out the bags. I think this person just does it on one/two sides because it would be too obvious to do more than two sides.
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I think someone is taking the packets out of your boxes. The reason I didn't mention this before is because I didn't think they could have got to it. The more I think about the more this seems likely. This happened to the vendor "Mseller" I bought from him for a while and all of the sudden his packages stopped showing up. We looked into it and concluded someone was stealing the envelopes. I think this is because I never received a letter from customs, meaning that someone probably just took the whole letter and stole the contents.
I really hope that this helped. I wish we could get along, I wish that we could work together. I swear to god that I did not get more than that one packet. If you want I will send you the money for the shipping. Would you be willing to give me ANY sort of refund? Even the smallest percent would help. If you are willing to give me any sort of refund I will purchase from you again (a smaller amount this time) but I would ask that you send it to me in a thick envelope like other vendors do. This way no one can cut into it and hide taking the contents - it will be obvious - and the person who is stealing your product will not recognize it.
I am sorry for not coming to you with this first and trying to figure this out without having to go through the resolution center. I am sorry I didn't trust you. I was lashing out. I have been selectively scammed by TomorrowMan.
Would you please just tell me why I got those brown crystals instead of the white ones? Would you be willing to give me a small refund seeing as this is the posts fault and not yours or mine? If so I will order from you again, this time in an envelope and with tracking. I want to be on good terms. I don't believe this is your fault, I believe it is the posts.
This dude just sounds like total grade-A dope-fiend right here. Not to bash heroin or people who love heroin, because I do enjoy my opiates and would NEVER bash anyone for using their drug of choice, but everything about this guy screams that he's a typical junkie looking for a little extra fix.
Either that or he invests 750 in H that he had to use for utilities or something, and if that's the case I'm surprised he doesn't know how fucking hard it is to get your btc back into cash.
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escrow (usd) escrow (btc) available
$506.63 ฿304.88 ฿129.23
not sure why the escrow in USD doesn't match the amount in btc but that is copied exactly.
it is only the usd escrow from the first of the two orders that are sitting in escrow. 2gs of h from smileawhile and 1g of fent from mrdutchguy
Recent purchasing statistics
Total transactions: 52
Total spent: ฿821.17
Refund rate: 2.06%
Auto-finalize rate: 1.08%
Member for: 10 months
**** AS YOU CAN SEE MINDGURUS RATING HAS DROPPED TO 92 ******
Heres what happened. I received the package with some tears in the corner of the box ( yeah a box how crazy is that, not an envelope!) MG, Look it up with the post office, they have it marked as "damaged" in transit.
I think someone in the post office on MGs side ripped off part of the product, or he did it himself in order to make it appear that the post office did. Admittedly, I ordered 5gs on my first order, HUGE mistake.
I'm not sure the price of btc when I purchased it and the amount of BTC it is for 5gs has changed. I think it was about 1000 dollars but I'm not sure. As for the weight, I weighed it right away, but I don't have a very good scale. It was about ~1.4g
I don't have the SR resolution transaction anymore. I should've saved it, we were in resolution for a long time. I didn't think there was reason to save it especially because I thought there was no way I wouldn't get the refund.
*** You guys are also missing the point that he sent BROWN shit to me not even close to what was pictured. Even if I did get 5gs then this would be grounds alone for a refund would it not? It was garbage!!! ***
I wish he would just give me at least some sort of refund. I would even happily buy from him again.
MINDGURU: Why don't you post the pics as well? Yeah. Didn't think so. I honestly don't think it was you, I think it was the post office but for the longest time I believed it was you simply because it didn't make any sense that you would divide the bags.
I SWEAR ON MY LIFE that I DID NOT receive 5GRAMS! I STILL have the package. I spend HUNDREDS of BTC. I'm not some crazy dope fiend. I want people to be aware of the fact that SHIT HAPPENS, and NEVER fall for it. Mindguru could be a selective scammer, I ordered 5gs on my first order which was a huge fucking mistake. but i DID NOT RECIEVE 5GS!!!!
You guys are morons for believing what Mindguru is writing. OF COURSE IT MAKES SENSE. He has 97% positive feedback! OF COURSE THE STORY DOESN'T ADD UP! I didn't get what I ordered! Mindguru is swaft - a lying manipulator. For instance he says first thing "I have to crush the crystals" - okay so crushing the product makes it change color and lose all of its potency? Bullshit.
I HAVE NO REASON TO FUCKING LIE!
********BELOW I **DESTROY** MINDGURUS RESPONDE BY BREAKING IT DOWN AND REFUTING EVERYTHING HE SAYS BY EXPOSING HIS LIES**********
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Mindguru's list with my response for every single one.
1. " I cannot send the crysals/rocks as it is, for the sake of stealth i have to crush them. " ------ This is blatant manipulation. I did not say they were crushed. That wasn't the complaint. The complaint was that it was BROWN, and NOT potent. I used all of it and barely felt anything. http://i.imgur.com/hsZ0M.jpg - Here it is
2. "This person is lying - he has changed his version of the quantity 3 times - first he said "under two grams". then he said "1 gram" and now he is stuck on 1.4 grams" ------ Another manipulation, I said it was "not even 2gs" And then I said it was 1.4 I never said 1 gram, I said "just over 1g" This is patent manipulation.
3. "I never even made a package that was 1.4g, it is not my standard size listing and i never pack such odd quantities" ------ Here was one of my theories. He may have accidentally (i doubt it was intentional if this is the case) sent me 1gram. In the resolution center he said 'I >ALWAYS< ship exact amounts, 1g and 2g packets'. This was after I said he may have sent a 1g order and given over for whatever reason, because hes a good guy, or because I'm a new customer. Well, look whos lying now! "you will find numerous instances where people have said that they received OVER their ordered quanity, I ALWAYS PACK A LITTLE EXTRA....ALWAYS!!!!" He said in the resolution center that he "NEVER" puts over. It's "ALWAYS" exact. Here is a lie that may be key evidence in proving that Mindguru is a selective scammer, or lied to cover up the mistake of sending the wrong amount. If he DID send the wrong amount, well, no one would claim to have received 5gs if he sent it to someone else. This is because he would never ship to them again until they paid him back. So they would just keep quiet about the whole thing. Right? Am I starting to make sense now?
4." in SR feedback, he says he was scammed for 1000$. his total transaction was about 750+shipping. here he says he was scammed for 500$." ------ Excuse me for not knowing the exact price of the BTC and the product a month ago when the purchase was made. It was definitely over 500 (he says 750) Well there you go, 750 thats A LOT OF MONEY REGARDLESS. Besides, what does it matter if it was 75 dollars or 750? It was a SCAM and he is MANIPULATING YOU AND ME by drawing attention to little discrepancies. This is manipulation in order to take peoples attention away from the actual issues and the lies the vendor is saying. If I said anything wrong it was a MISTAKE, not a lie.
5. "When he ordered, at first he wanted me to send him the product "without tracked shipping" while being allowed to stay in escrow. I refused, since I would have NO PROOF OF PRODUCT BEING DELIVERED. He kept on insisting that i send it without tracking, when i was firm with my answer, he VERY RELUCTANTLY agreed for tracked shipping. HE IS STILL TO PAY ME 30$ for tracked shipping, which he has YET NOT PAID." ------ At this point I had rarely bought items with tracking that required signatures. Because it was 5grams I figured this would be unsafe. We contacted eachother and as I remember I asked him if it would be safer to go without tracking and as I recall he said yes it would be, just go regular. So he contacted me later saying he was now uncomfortable sending 5grams. The entire shipping thing I think is completely irrelevant. I would be happy to reimburse him for the shipping if he agreed to send me 3 grams (forget the ~.6 I just want MOST of what I paid for, I would be happy to order again in the future if he worked with me and apologized for this mistake)
6. "It was on this guy's mind to scam me from day one, which is why he wanted me to send such a large order untracked, so I would have no proof of the item getting delivered or not. would be very easy for him to raise a dispute if I had no proof of the item getting delivered." ------ This is total bullshit, In fact he agreed that if the package did not arrive via regular shipping that he would give me a 100% refund instead of 50%. Here is another lie. "
I ask for a better refund because I think 50% seems unfair ncase of missing package.
I will offer you 75% refund if customs intercept the package...hope that is more fair?
After asking again he says this
I have also recently added a new meathod of post... if you want I can send it using DHL which will be delivered in about 3 days time but the cost of this is roughly 50$. My usual way of sending is through India Post, which will get delivered by USPS, that costs between 20-25$ depending on where its going.
I have never had a problem once the package leaves india....when I did have a problem one time it was a bunch of mail getting stuck over here itself.
but >*YOU SEEM LIKE A GENUINE GUY*<, so I can offer you 100% refund in case the mail doesnt reach you for any reason... be it customs or any other reason.
If he thought I was a genuine guy, why is he now sayng I'm not? He is obviously lying, hes using the exact same word. If he was telling the truth he'd say he found out I wasn't, or that I'm dishonest. Basically if he was telling the truth he'd use any other word. This is basic psychology, its a way of manipulating people into believing you. The SR staff didn't read all the messages, or they would've seen I was telling the truth. Maybe they did read the messages, but they said that it was because he had better stats than I do, even though I've been here longer. It's because I haven't spent as much as he made. You see SR is based on comimission, meaning they get a cut of everything that is sold here. However without the buyers there is no cut. So driving away vendors is worse than driving away customers *ONLY IF* they make more than the customers SPEND. YOU SEE? Otherwise they would've forced a full refund.
7. "Now he could not claim that the item was undelivered, so he went ahead and raised a dispute of the quantity being not proper. This is just bullshit." ------ I could've claimed anything, but I TELL THE TRUTH, AND I *TOLD THE TRUTH*. I said I did not get the correct amount and it was different than what he pictured. It was INFERIOR product. I have tried almost every vendor who has sold here in the last 9 months' heroin. I don't mess around! I have tried everything and everyone from #3 to tar to #4 (i stick to #4, only done #3 and tar from 2 diff vendors) from Tony76 to Noriega, smileawhile, chyna whyte, Fanny Hill, NogenRX to psilocin. ***I HAD TO USE ALMOST HALF TO FEEL ANYTHING*** My tolerance with NoGen's (i still have some stashed up so I compared) is 80mg to be nodding.
8. "I have close to 120 transactions, I can challenenge this guy, call even ONE OTHER customer of mine who can say what this guy is saying - that i selectively scammed him - or i sent the wrong quantity." ------ Mindguru does not have EXACTLY 100% positive feedback. The score next to the name rounds up, you can see this on his mind page. It has JUST dropped to 92. I have about half as many purchases as this vendor has sells and I have spent nearly 1000 btc. 'ranked in the top 87% of sellers with 92.2% positive feedback from 115 transactions'
10. "Read my feedback, read my forum feedback, you will find numerous instances where people have said that they received OVER their ordered quanity, I ALWAYS PACK A LITTLE EXTRA....ALWAYS!!!!" ------ So what about this 'I never even made a package that was 1.4g, it is not my standard size listing and i never pack such odd quantities'? What about that Mindguru? Anything over 1g and under 2gs could be considered an "odd quantity" see? Caught you in another lie. Either you accidentally sent me 1g and don't want to admit it or you just sent me 1g of some leftovers you had from another batch. Regardless, it WAS 1.4 and you lied about having exact amounts which you told me 2 times on SR. See this lie, everyone?
11. "If someone is ordereing 5g from me, and tells me he will order more regularly, WHY THE HELL WILL I SCAM HIM?? I am here to do business, most of my customers are regular customers, that is because I DO NOT SCAM PEOPLE." ------ This is something you will hear from every selective scammer. He is just hiding. ****Part of the reason a vendor would choose to scam early on is because the buyer will have a better chance winning in resolution, see?**** The other reasons are that ****scamming early on presents less damage to feedback, because the buyer can go back and change feedback from every single purchase.****
SEE? Selective scammers are thinking people. They know exactly what they are doing. They are smart. They manipulate people into trusting them but they have reasons for what they do and why they do it. Everything just goes so smoothly. You see if I didn't post my responses here, then no one would believe me and everyone would carry on about their day and forget about me. I am smart too. I don't intend to brag but I have an extremely high IQ. I am not just some "dumb dopefiend" as someone called me in this thread. I bet you are now leaning towards believing me. Am I right? If you are, then you are smart, because I am not lying about this. I have no reason to lie. What do I have to gain? I just want people to never get scammed by this vendor or any other vendor again.
12. even when I offered 50% refunds for undelivered packages, I ALWAYS REFUNDED 100% to any customer who had a genuine issue. If you are a genuine person, I will go above and beyond to make sure you are satisfied. This is strange coming from someone who sent this message to me 1 month ago. Note the "or any other reason" part.
MindGuru(92) you seem like a genuine guy, so I can offer you 100% refund in case the mail doesnt reach you for any reason... be it customs or any other reason. 1 month read delete
13. "THIS GUY IS A BULLSHIT ARTIST! UNBELIEVABLE!" ------ Really? I am? Go through this list as many times as you need and you will see who is truly the "bullshit artist". The use of insults also betrays a sense of nervousness and desperation. To most it may appear to be confidence, in reality this is just an attempt to get you to rally up behind him "yeah, this guy is a bullshit artist!!!" People like to get mad, and they will believe what they see first, what makes the most sense, and what they can easily trust. This is the same reason that people gang up on people in high school against kids they don't even know. They follow the leader. Its called pack mentality. People also trust what they believe to be true, which is based on the most concise information that they have known. You may know this vendor to have a good reputation, and good product, so you are inclined to believe him. This is why there are a lot of people who do not believe in Darwin's theory of evolution, because they know what they know, and are unwilling to investigate all of the information. Most people i know who grew up believing evolution was some 'conspiracy theory' ended up changing their opinion entirely when they read about it of by themselves and examined all of the information. Same thing happened with TomorrowMan and now you will see despite allll of those sales his rating has dropped because some people have been selectively scammed. Always, for big amounts. If you look through TMans feedback you will see someone who got scammed for 10gs. This is selective scamming and at this point I believe with all my heart that Mindguru is a selective scammer.
escrow (usd) escrow (btc) available
$506.63 ฿304.88 ฿129.23
not sure why the escrow in USD doesn't match the amount in btc but that is copied exactly.
it is only the usd escrow from the first of the two orders that are sitting in escrow. 2gs of h from smileawhile and 1g of fent from mrdutchguy
Recent purchasing statistics
Total transactions: 52
Total spent: ฿821.17
Refund rate: 2.06%
Auto-finalize rate: 1.08%
Member for: 10 months
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Of course you have a reason to lie, you're trying to get money.
After being on here for a while and trying many different sellers, I haven't been as impressed with any seller as I am with MG, he has been absolutely perfect - it's a shame his name will be dragged through the mud like this.
I don't think it's wise the amount of talk in this thread that this is regarding his packaging, from both parties..
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Have you even tried the gear/heroin? It can have a large variety of appearances, and still be spectacular product--but any crystal form is pretty damn pure (it won't crystallize like that otherwise, i.e. if it is a mixture of substances.)
You are such a suspicious buyer. If I happen to see any purchases on my vendor account, I'll definitely be sure to cancel the order. You're posts are just too fucking whiny without any substance. You keep changing your story; at least stick to a single lie if you are going to do it; it's way too suspicious otherwise.
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+1 to Mindguru for having to expel so much energy defending himself when it's clear he has done nothing wrong. Good luck with things Mindguru. Rest assured that people can see for themselves what's really going on here. Keep your chin up. :)
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Yeah, dude. The gigs up. NOTHING in your fucking story makes sense. It is ALL rubbish. And you're making such obvious fucking lies, too! Like the fucking people here don't know a thing about how BTC works? THERE IS NO WAY YOU LOST 1000 DOLLARS on a PEGGED 750 DOLLAR ITEM. That's fucking bullshit.
As a person who's been scammed for ( to me ) a significant amount of money, I think what you're doing is SO SHITTY! You're the reason people who are legitimately scammed sometimes don't get a good refund!
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It is just crazy whats happening here......this guy got more than 5g's of some awesome asian H...in under 10 days...to the USA...at 150$ per gram.
Instead of being happy with the service, he decides to scam me through escrow.
He doesn't succeed, so he comes to the forums. He was expecting me to message him privately and settle the matter.
After I chose not to settle with him, he is now telling me that if I refund him 60%, he will change the feedback from 1 to 5 out of 5.
Because of this douchebag rating me 1 out of 5, my rating has dropped from 99.7% to 92%. All because of one scamming piece of shit customer. From being a top 20% something vendor, I am now a top 87% vendor.
So this guy wants me to pay hi, to buy my rating back, something which he spoils deliberately so he can blackmail me, and something which took me 7 months to build.
What should I do?
Buyers take much more notice of info. and feedback posted here than the feedback posted on their listings on SR. I sucks that this prick has done what he did. But what you've done is show buyers that your 100% legit and will stand up for what's right. I'm willing to bet your sales will increase as a result of how you handled things. People will respect your efforts to retain your reputation which has been dented through no fault of your own. Over time, your rating will return to where it was. All the best. :)
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Feel real sorry for you MG man.
OP is obviously a scammer, its a shame you need to defend yourself like this on the forum.
And OP wtf, give the game up already, your just making things harder for all us honest buyers. Its beyond me to try and scam a vendor out of $1000- fucking incredible.
It really pisses me off because its people like you who fuck the game up for the rest of us. I have genuinely been on the receiving end of a scam (considerably larger than what you claim) and your just making vendors even more wary of buyers, so where does that leave a genuine buyer who doesnt receive a package?
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What should I do?
That seriously sucks that this asshole has affected your rating so much but I think this thread is kinda helping your PR. Atleast the OP has been outed in this thread and I for one always check the forums before I buy, so hopefully your buyers will all see this and realise that you are obviously not a scammer at all.
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Read my posts before coming to your conclusion. My posts are long, I know, but thats because I analyse and breakdown the entire sitatuion and refute every claim Mindguru makes. Notice how some people do believe me.
The reason his rating went down so much is because of my buyer stats. They are very good. Better buyer stats = higher impact on vendor rating.
Well, *of course* you're going to believe him. You aren't the ones who have been scammed. Ask me any question and I will answer it. The point is that Mindguru DID scam me. It will not happen again if I have anything to say about it!! This guy will be EXPOSED for who he is. A **SELECTIVE SCAMMER**. I have never scammed, never will, and don't have a reason to scam. Even if I did why would I? I order HUNDREDS of BTC worth of products all the time and have no issues.
Selective scammers exist, and Minguru is one. If you READ what I wrote, you will see who is really the liar. Honestlly if you guys are upset with the prospect that Mindguru might leave, then you just need the evidence to prove that he scammed me. What would you be saying then? Again. Ask me any question and I will answer it
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Mindguru's list with my response for every single one.
1. " I cannot send the crysals/rocks as it is, for the sake of stealth i have to crush them. " ------ This is blatant manipulation. I did not say they were crushed. That wasn't the complaint. The complaint was that it was BROWN, and NOT potent. I used all of it and barely felt anything. http://i.imgur.com/hsZ0M.jpg - Here it is
2. "This person is lying - he has changed his version of the quantity 3 times - first he said "under two grams". then he said "1 gram" and now he is stuck on 1.4 grams" ------ Another manipulation, I said it was "not even 2gs" And then I said it was 1.4 I never said 1 gram, I said "just over 1g" This is patent manipulation.
3. "I never even made a package that was 1.4g, it is not my standard size listing and i never pack such odd quantities" ------ Here was one of my theories. He may have accidentally (i doubt it was intentional if this is the case) sent me 1gram. In the resolution center he said 'I >ALWAYS< ship exact amounts, 1g and 2g packets'. This was after I said he may have sent a 1g order and given over for whatever reason, because hes a good guy, or because I'm a new customer. Well, look whos lying now! "you will find numerous instances where people have said that they received OVER their ordered quanity, I ALWAYS PACK A LITTLE EXTRA....ALWAYS!!!!" He said in the resolution center that he "NEVER" puts over. It's "ALWAYS" exact. Here is a lie that may be key evidence in proving that Mindguru is a selective scammer, or lied to cover up the mistake of sending the wrong amount. If he DID send the wrong amount, well, no one would claim to have received 5gs if he sent it to someone else. This is because he would never ship to them again until they paid him back. So they would just keep quiet about the whole thing. Right? Am I starting to make sense now?
4." in SR feedback, he says he was scammed for 1000$. his total transaction was about 750+shipping. here he says he was scammed for 500$." ------ Excuse me for not knowing the exact price of the BTC and the product a month ago when the purchase was made. It was definitely over 500 (he says 750) Well there you go, 750 thats A LOT OF MONEY REGARDLESS. Besides, what does it matter if it was 75 dollars or 750? It was a SCAM and he is MANIPULATING YOU AND ME by drawing attention to little discrepancies. This is manipulation in order to take peoples attention away from the actual issues and the lies the vendor is saying. If I said anything wrong it was a MISTAKE, not a lie.
5. "When he ordered, at first he wanted me to send him the product "without tracked shipping" while being allowed to stay in escrow. I refused, since I would have NO PROOF OF PRODUCT BEING DELIVERED. He kept on insisting that i send it without tracking, when i was firm with my answer, he VERY RELUCTANTLY agreed for tracked shipping. HE IS STILL TO PAY ME 30$ for tracked shipping, which he has YET NOT PAID." ------ At this point I had rarely bought items with tracking that required signatures. Because it was 5grams I figured this would be unsafe. We contacted eachother and as I remember I asked him if it would be safer to go without tracking and as I recall he said yes it would be, just go regular. So he contacted me later saying he was now uncomfortable sending 5grams. The entire shipping thing I think is completely irrelevant. I would be happy to reimburse him for the shipping if he agreed to send me 3 grams (forget the ~.6 I just want MOST of what I paid for, I would be happy to order again in the future if he worked with me and apologized for this mistake)
6. "It was on this guy's mind to scam me from day one, which is why he wanted me to send such a large order untracked, so I would have no proof of the item getting delivered or not. would be very easy for him to raise a dispute if I had no proof of the item getting delivered." ------ This is total bullshit, In fact he agreed that if the package did not arrive via regular shipping that he would give me a 100% refund instead of 50%. Here is another lie. "
I ask for a better refund because I think 50% seems unfair ncase of missing package.
I will offer you 75% refund if customs intercept the package...hope that is more fair?
After asking again he says this
I have also recently added a new meathod of post... if you want I can send it using DHL which will be delivered in about 3 days time but the cost of this is roughly 50$. My usual way of sending is through India Post, which will get delivered by USPS, that costs between 20-25$ depending on where its going.
I have never had a problem once the package leaves india....when I did have a problem one time it was a bunch of mail getting stuck over here itself.
but >*YOU SEEM LIKE A GENUINE GUY*<, so I can offer you 100% refund in case the mail doesnt reach you for any reason... be it customs or any other reason.
If he thought I was a genuine guy, why is he now sayng I'm not? He is obviously lying, hes using the exact same word. If he was telling the truth he'd say he found out I wasn't, or that I'm dishonest. Basically if he was telling the truth he'd use any other word. This is basic psychology, its a way of manipulating people into believing you. The SR staff didn't read all the messages, or they would've seen I was telling the truth. Maybe they did read the messages, but they said that it was because he had better stats than I do, even though I've been here longer. It's because I haven't spent as much as he made. You see SR is based on comimission, meaning they get a cut of everything that is sold here. However without the buyers there is no cut. So driving away vendors is worse than driving away customers *ONLY IF* they make more than the customers SPEND. YOU SEE? Otherwise they would've forced a full refund.
7. "Now he could not claim that the item was undelivered, so he went ahead and raised a dispute of the quantity being not proper. This is just bullshit." ------ I could've claimed anything, but I TELL THE TRUTH, AND I *TOLD THE TRUTH*. I said I did not get the correct amount and it was different than what he pictured. It was INFERIOR product. I have tried almost every vendor who has sold here in the last 9 months' heroin. I don't mess around! I have tried everything and everyone from #3 to tar to #4 (i stick to #4, only done #3 and tar from 2 diff vendors) from Tony76 to Noriega, smileawhile, chyna whyte, Fanny Hill, NogenRX to psilocin. ***I HAD TO USE ALMOST HALF TO FEEL ANYTHING*** My tolerance with NoGen's (i still have some stashed up so I compared) is 80mg to be nodding.
8. "I have close to 120 transactions, I can challenenge this guy, call even ONE OTHER customer of mine who can say what this guy is saying - that i selectively scammed him - or i sent the wrong quantity." ------ Mindguru does not have EXACTLY 100% positive feedback. The score next to the name rounds up, you can see this on his mind page. It has JUST dropped to 92. I have about half as many purchases as this vendor has sells and I have spent nearly 1000 btc. 'ranked in the top 87% of sellers with 92.2% positive feedback from 115 transactions'
10. "Read my feedback, read my forum feedback, you will find numerous instances where people have said that they received OVER their ordered quanity, I ALWAYS PACK A LITTLE EXTRA....ALWAYS!!!!" ------ So what about this 'I never even made a package that was 1.4g, it is not my standard size listing and i never pack such odd quantities'? What about that Mindguru? Anything over 1g and under 2gs could be considered an "odd quantity" see? Caught you in another lie. Either you accidentally sent me 1g and don't want to admit it or you just sent me 1g of some leftovers you had from another batch. Regardless, it WAS 1.4 and you lied about having exact amounts which you told me 2 times on SR. See this lie, everyone?
11. "If someone is ordereing 5g from me, and tells me he will order more regularly, WHY THE HELL WILL I SCAM HIM?? I am here to do business, most of my customers are regular customers, that is because I DO NOT SCAM PEOPLE." ------ This is something you will hear from every selective scammer. He is just hiding. ****Part of the reason a vendor would choose to scam early on is because the buyer will have a better chance winning in resolution, see?**** The other reasons are that ****scamming early on presents less damage to feedback, because the buyer can go back and change feedback from every single purchase.****
SEE? Selective scammers are thinking people. They know exactly what they are doing. They are smart. They manipulate people into trusting them but they have reasons for what they do and why they do it. Everything just goes so smoothly. You see if I didn't post my responses here, then no one would believe me and everyone would carry on about their day and forget about me. I am smart too. I don't intend to brag but I have an extremely high IQ. I am not just some "dumb dopefiend" as someone called me in this thread. I bet you are now leaning towards believing me. Am I right? If you are, then you are smart, because I am not lying about this. I have no reason to lie. What do I have to gain? I just want people to never get scammed by this vendor or any other vendor again.
12. even when I offered 50% refunds for undelivered packages, I ALWAYS REFUNDED 100% to any customer who had a genuine issue. If you are a genuine person, I will go above and beyond to make sure you are satisfied. This is strange coming from someone who sent this message to me 1 month ago.
MindGuru(92) you seem like a genuine guy, so I can offer you 100% refund in case the mail doesnt reach you for any reason... be it customs or any other reason. 1 month read delete
13. "THIS GUY IS A BULLSHIT ARTIST! UNBELIEVABLE!" ------ Really? I am? Go through this list as many times as you need and you will see who is truly the "bullshit artist". The use of insults also betrays a sense of nervousness and desperation. To most it may appear to be confidence, in reality this is just an attempt to get you to rally up behind him "yeah, this guy is a bullshit artist!!!" People like to get mad, and they will believe what they see first, what makes the most sense, and what they can easily trust. This is the same reason that people gang up on people in high school against kids they don't even know. They follow the leader. Its called pack mentality. People also trust what they believe to be true, which is based on the most concise information that they have known. You may know this vendor to have a good reputation, and good product, so you are inclined to believe him. This is why there are a lot of people who do not believe in Darwin's theory of evolution, because they know what they know, and are unwilling to investigate all of the information. Most people i know who grew up believing evolution was some 'conspiracy theory' ended up changing their opinion entirely when they read about it of by themselves and examined all of the information. Same thing happened with TomorrowMan and now you will see despite allll of those sales his rating has dropped because some people have been selectively scammed. Always, for big amounts. If you look through TMans feedback you will see someone who got scammed for 10gs. This is selective scamming and at this point I believe with all my heart that Mindguru is a selective scammer.
escrow (usd) escrow (btc) available
$506.63 ฿304.88 ฿129.23
not sure why the escrow in USD doesn't match the amount in btc but that is copied exactly.
it is only the usd escrow from the first of the two orders that are sitting in escrow. 2gs of h from smileawhile and 1g of fent from mrdutchguy
Recent purchasing statistics
Total transactions: 52
Total spent: ฿821.17
Refund rate: 2.06%
Auto-finalize rate: 1.08%
Member for: 10 months
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I have to say Vito that your post was well thought out and brings a lot of things to light... I'm not so sure about this one. Although it's obvious that I shouldn't have judged you so quickly without fully hearing you out. I'm not saying I believe either party necessarily, but what you have said is compelling. I'm not qualified enough to make a decision for either side, though. But I shouldn't have insulted you without listening to you first.
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Vito, posting the same essay length length answers multiple times is not going to sway people over to your side; instead it's just annoying and further proves that you're grasping at straws here to defend yourself in your attack on MG, who has done nothing wrong. I hope you feel shitty about ruining the nearly perfect feedback rating of one of the best H vendors we have on here. Sure, some vendors do scam customers, but from everything you've said I haven't been persuaded at all that MG is at fault here. Things like what you've done here are what drive the legitimate, honest vendors away from SR, and that's just a shame.
MG, my apologies for you having to deal with all of this. Hopefully the classy way you've handled the situation will reinforce to the SR H community that you're a stand-up vendor who is in no way a scammer.