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Title: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: b90006824 on July 26, 2013, 02:51 am
   Hi Everyone, I know this is my first post on the forums, however I have the same name as a buyer on SR and I've completed just shy of 30 purchases successfully, all around 1btc each in the past 9 months. So I'm not quite a newbie to the marketplace.

   Among my orders are, many for MDMA, a few for MDPV, some Xanax, NBOME, and MXE. I have a good idea of what good product is, and I'm not some newbie that's trying MDMA for the first time and just freaking out about the roll.

   here's the problem. I ordered a gram of MDMA about 2 weeks ago to split with a very good friend of mine, who is far more experience with MDMA than myself. She has rolled a few dozen times, where I have only rolled on about 6 occasions. Her usual dose, as I've seen before, is 600mg. 2 days ago my friend rolled on her half a gram. Shortly into her roll we found her on the bathroom floor, she was passed out running an insane temperature and had a racing pulse. We tried to wake her, and cool her down, but with little success.
   It was eventually called that we needed to take her to the hospital, as this looked like a Meth overdose. So That's what we did. The remainder of the product was also taken to the hospital.
   The product was tested, and did in fact contain methamphetamine as reported by the hospital lab. My good friend has been in the hospital, in a controlled coma for 2 days now.
   When I personally get my hands on the report, I'll take a photo and post it (of course blocking any identifying info), I know it's hard to believe a first time poster, I'm not sure I would believe myself if I read this.

I would like to post this in the seller's review thread, but I need 50 posts to do that, so I'm here instead.

The seller was Endemic.

I honestly believe this was not personally Endemic's fault. Maybe his supplier sneaked some meth in because he was running low on molly, something. I don't want to bash Endemic too much, as the remainder of my experience with him has been wonderful, just got bad product this time around.

I've messaged Endemic with my concern, and also submitted a report to SR. If there's anything else I should do, I appreciate the input. 

Sincerely, and Much Love,
-b
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: aussiepp on July 26, 2013, 03:00 am
Or maybe you shouldn't have dosed a female with 500mg of MDMA. Are you fucking retarded? (It sounds like you dosed her 500mg anyway)

Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: 7Kz2 on July 26, 2013, 03:01 am
Was it powdered mdma?

Why did she take .5g? That is a very high dose, but still. 
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: aussiepp on July 26, 2013, 03:04 am
And just so you know. It's likely that MDMA will show up as Methamphetamine/amphetamine in a drug test.
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: abercrombiekidjf on July 26, 2013, 03:06 am
yeah dude that is a very strong dose for someone to take man , i wish you the best of luck and i hope she comes out of it, and like the other guy said MDMA would show the same positives as meth and amphetamines...hope all turns out well!
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: pearlygates123 on July 26, 2013, 03:08 am
Wow! I am sorry to hear about your friend which landed her in the hospital due to the split meth/mdma overdose. One bad sale can ruin that dealers value.

Were his reviews good at the moment of your purchase? Its sad to see some meth mixed with MDMA, it just makes other buyers be more cautious before buying something like MDMA. But then again this shows you that you cant ever be ready for something like this.

Did you consume the other half and did it affect you? It seems that it didnt from what ive read but just curious to know what else happened.
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: b90006824 on July 26, 2013, 03:09 am
7Kz2: Not quite powder, but very highly crushed. Came to a mostly tan color, but also mostly too white and crushed to tell.

And aussiepp: That's slightly less than her usual dose of 600mg. She's had a LOT more molly than I have and has rolled MANY more times than myself (I've only rolled half a dozen times or so). I'm also aware of the drug test showing a false positive. Though to the best of my knowledge, this is only for bodily fluid tests, and unlikely for testing the actual substance before it is ingested.

pearlygates: No I didn't consume the other half. I had planned on doing so this weekend. Also, yes, his reviews were only outstanding. However, at the time, none had claimed to have actually tried the product yet. But that's also why I don't want to bash Endemic too much, It is a VERY strange reaction to JUST MDMA (and I very well believe that's all she had taken that night, I was there).


thank you so much everyone for the kind thoughts. The doctors are apparently going to try and wake her tomorrow morning. I'll update if I have anything noteworthy.
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: cryngie on July 26, 2013, 03:25 am
Just because she has had 600mg before doesn't mean she should have500mg of another
I use heroin and off one dealer i was using 300mg in a shot but then i get off a new source i dont just assume it is the same or weaker and bang 300mg i start at 50mg and go from there
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: 7Kz2 on July 26, 2013, 03:27 am
Just because she has had 600mg before doesn't mean she should have500mg of another
I use heroin and off one dealer i was using 300mg in a shot but then i get off a new source i dont just assume it is the same or weaker and bang 300mg i start at 50mg and go from there
How are you going to try to compare heroin to MDMA?  MDMA is usually not cut.
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: b90006824 on July 26, 2013, 03:30 am
Just because she has had 600mg before doesn't mean she should have500mg of another
I use heroin and off one dealer i was using 300mg in a shot but then i get off a new source i dont just assume it is the same or weaker and bang 300mg i start at 50mg and go from there

In hindsight, I most definitely agree. Should have convinced her not to do so much at first of this shipment. Good advice for everyone to also start low when dealing with a new supply.
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: cryngie on July 26, 2013, 03:33 am
Just because she has had 600mg before doesn't mean she should have500mg of another
I use heroin and off one dealer i was using 300mg in a shot but then i get off a new source i dont just assume it is the same or weaker and bang 300mg i start at 50mg and go from there
How are you going to try to compare heroin to MDMA?  MDMA is usually not cut.

So all mdma from every supplier is the same?
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: b90006824 on July 26, 2013, 03:39 am
Just because she has had 600mg before doesn't mean she should have500mg of another
I use heroin and off one dealer i was using 300mg in a shot but then i get off a new source i dont just assume it is the same or weaker and bang 300mg i start at 50mg and go from there
How are you going to try to compare heroin to MDMA?  MDMA is usually not cut.

So all mdma from every supplier is the same?


It's possible that his thinking was that, the effects for MDMA essentially plateau at higher dosage, possibly causing serotonin syndrome after a point. Where as with opiates like heroin, the plateau effect doesn't quite exist.
That's not to say I don't still agree with your insight, should have taken it slow on a new supply.
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: 7Kz2 on July 26, 2013, 03:43 am
Just because she has had 600mg before doesn't mean she should have500mg of another
I use heroin and off one dealer i was using 300mg in a shot but then i get off a new source i dont just assume it is the same or weaker and bang 300mg i start at 50mg and go from there
How are you going to try to compare heroin to MDMA?  MDMA is usually not cut.

So all mdma from every supplier is the same?
No. I did not say that. MDMA is usually not cut, because it is not.  Different sellers have MDMA that is of slight different purity, but it it usually above 70% and a 500mg dosage from a usual dose of 600mg is insanely unlikely to be just a dosage mistake.
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: BenZoKingVendor on July 26, 2013, 03:47 am
It sounds like you were trying to drug that poor girl up. I would never let a girl dose 500mg of molly let alone be the one that gives it to her. Try to put yourself in her shoes.
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: b90006824 on July 26, 2013, 03:52 am
It sounds like you were trying to drug that poor girl up. I would never let a girl dose 500mg of molly let alone be the one that gives it to her. Try to put yourself in her shoes.

Unfortunately, you didn't read the rest of the thread. She's far more experienced with MDMA than myself. If anything, she was drugging me :-p

btw, I updated the original post to reflect the information I neglected. Such as the usual dose of 600mg, and that I'm not a douche trying to drug a girl who's never tried molly before.
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: pearlygates123 on July 26, 2013, 04:06 am
how much would be a good considerable amount of mg for a great mdma ride?
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: rollinronnie on July 26, 2013, 08:04 am
Wow, .5g of molly, without checking purity, is just fucking stupid!

Two good points were made that you completely overlooked.

1. The A in MDMA is amphetamine sooooo, it's easy to understand why it came up positive.
2. The heroin analogy was spot on... Let me elaborate.. A .5g of 42% molly = .25 84%

Sorry to hear bout your friend, but to take the whole half G was just fucking stupid, and you should feel like a world class d-bag for not giving her heads up.
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: seasofgreen on July 26, 2013, 08:12 am
2. The heroin analogy was spot on... Let me elaborate.. A .5g of 42% molly = .25 84%


Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, that's not exactly how it works. .5g of 42% molly would be 210mg MDMA + 290mg of whatever else is in it. Problems come in when someone finds something pure, like 84% MDMA. They might do what they think is a normal dose, but .5 of that would actually be 420mg MDMA. Make sense?
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: lizard8sum on July 26, 2013, 08:29 am
One thing you have to think of aswell,is the lab.You can have pure MDMA from 2 diferent labs will affect you alil differently..5g is way to much especialy if youve never tried that specific batch.I've been rolling since X pils were the size of rolaids Ive had the same pills from same dealer one night needing 2 for fun and one night floored by just one.Now i do Molly every now and again but no where nere that dose and I've rolled hundreds of times.With that said I'm very sorry for your friend.I wish you and her all the best.
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: triangle_list on July 26, 2013, 08:41 am
MDMA is most certainly often cut or just shit quality when it comes from street dealers, can easily be less than 50% purity, not so much on SR.  I'd call 600mg of pure MDMA an overdose regardless of how experienced you are. That said, I wouldn't expect to end up in a coma from an overdose of pure MDMA. It is possible that it contained something else, but also that she just had a bad reaction to an OD.

An important point: Did the hospital say, it contains meth in addition to MDMA, or just it contains meth? And did they provide a hard copy of the test results or just tell you that? The hospital may or may not have the ability to distinguish between them depending on the type of test they're running. Considering the general stupidity of everyone who works in the healthcare industry regarding drugs I wouldn't put calling pure MDMA "methamphetamine" past them.  Unless other buyers are saying that, you have a hard copy of test results from the hospital, or you send it into a lab yourself for testing there's no way to tell for sure, so I wouldn't take it out on the seller. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe ask him if anyone else complained about the batch, and if anyone did and he's honest, he'll tell you. and most sellers i've run into on SR are in fact honest because the dishonest ones don't stay in business long

If you do have a copy of test results from the hospital I encourage you to post it on a secure tor image host because that will be a valuable insight on the whole matter
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: isallmememe on July 26, 2013, 09:44 am
Just because she has had 600mg before doesn't mean she should have500mg of another
I use heroin and off one dealer i was using 300mg in a shot but then i get off a new source i dont just assume it is the same or weaker and bang 300mg i start at 50mg and go from there
How are you going to try to compare heroin to MDMA?  MDMA is usually not cut.

that is really naive thinking 7k
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: Madrigal1 on July 26, 2013, 09:49 am
Just because she has had 600mg before doesn't mean she should have500mg of another
I use heroin and off one dealer i was using 300mg in a shot but then i get off a new source i dont just assume it is the same or weaker and bang 300mg i start at 50mg and go from there
How are you going to try to compare heroin to MDMA?  MDMA is usually not cut.

that is really naive thinking 7k

Indeed - anything can and will be cut when people want to make a dollar..
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: esoteric69 on July 26, 2013, 09:57 am
500mg is a huge dose of MDMA, even if she is regular user. Lots of other things to factor in, was she taking any prescribed medicine / other recreational drugs a time? Combinations of drugs can sometimes have severe neurotoxic effects , all dependent on the individual persons metabolism / allergies / tolerance levels etc.
Regardless, hope she gets better soon.
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: abercrombiekidjf on July 26, 2013, 01:17 pm
MDMA is most certainly often cut or just shit quality when it comes from street dealers, can easily be less than 50% purity, not so much on SR.  I'd call 600mg of pure MDMA an overdose regardless of how experienced you are. That said, I wouldn't expect to end up in a coma from an overdose of pure MDMA. It is possible that it contained something else, but also that she just had a bad reaction to an OD.

An important point: Did the hospital say, it contains meth in addition to MDMA, or just it contains meth? And did they provide a hard copy of the test results or just tell you that? The hospital may or may not have the ability to distinguish between them depending on the type of test they're running. Considering the general stupidity of everyone who works in the healthcare industry regarding drugs I wouldn't put calling pure MDMA "methamphetamine" past them.  Unless other buyers are saying that, you have a hard copy of test results from the hospital, or you send it into a lab yourself for testing there's no way to tell for sure, so I wouldn't take it out on the seller. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe ask him if anyone else complained about the batch, and if anyone did and he's honest, he'll tell you. and most sellers i've run into on SR are in fact honest because the dishonest ones don't stay in business long

If you do have a copy of test results from the hospital I encourage you to post it on a secure tor image host because that will be a valuable insight on the whole matter

agreed couldnt have said it any better myself....but starting out taking a dose of 600mg its stupid why not start at 190-200mg and gauge the reaction i mean even the most experienced molly users i know start out small to gauge the product first, and i hope it all comes out for the best but like this guy said check around with other people on the forums and what not and see if reactions are similar or not with the vendor and def. read that TOX. report to try to find any clues! keep us up to date on your friend!
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: turbotac0 on July 26, 2013, 01:27 pm
ecstasy is cut with coke or meth... it used to mean something those designs on the pills, now everyone is going crazy with there designs not giving a shit
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: d0peymean on July 26, 2013, 02:23 pm
Sorry to hear about what happened to your friend. I certainly hope she comes out of it okay.

As most everyone else has stated in this thread, that is an insanely high dose of MDMA regardless of purity. With that said, I believe that everyone should make the small investment to get a good test kit and always test any new product you get. I purchased one for $60 around two years ago and I still have plenty of reagent left. And the $60 one is actually one of the more expensive kits that tests for virtually any kind of adulterant that could be present. There are cheaper ones available for like $20. But just think about it this way -- for a very small investment, you know exactly what you are ingesting. Not only is it great for safety, but I also find that it puts me at ease mentally going into the experience, because I know the substance I just ingested is pure and free of nasty stuff that could harm my body.

A good milligram scale and a test kit are well worth the investment for anyone who consumes MDMA or other such things on a regular basis.

I got mine from here: (warning - clearnet link) http://dancesafe.org/products/complete-screening-kit

Best of luck and be safe.

Peace.
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: flemming60 on July 26, 2013, 02:27 pm
500 micgram is just way too much...
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: sativanist on July 26, 2013, 02:43 pm
OP, I hope your friend makes a quick and complete recovery.

It shows there is decision making to do even when taking a journey to anahata. I remember my first mdma trip in 1972, in my college dorm. When I started coming down nice and easy, for some reason I picked up a bible in the drawer and started reading it. Then something happened, I got this sense of peace and comfort out of nowhere, all blissed out for a few hours. Back then the stuff was very pure. Nowadays things are much different.

Everyone makes mistakes. She made the ultimate decision to take the stuff. It is not your fault, OP. You have done the right thing by her, and by sharing this here, it helps us all to be more aware of our decisions.

Lesson learned. We play,we be safe, we watch out for each other.   :)
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: JohnTheBaptist on July 26, 2013, 02:45 pm
Its a lot in the head, your brain is so powerful. You are the person who decides whether it's a good or bad trip/experiance.
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: oznation22 on July 26, 2013, 02:53 pm
spam spam spam am i at 50 posts yet??? ;D
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: OrangeKoolAid on July 26, 2013, 02:57 pm
way to high of a dose dude.. its always good to research your facts on does. if she thinks that 600mg is her usal shes got a bad connect
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: Chicagodogs on July 26, 2013, 06:16 pm
What a sad story, I hope she makes a full recovery!
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: hayzeus on July 26, 2013, 06:22 pm
Man.  YOu keep saying this girl is highly experienced with MDMA but she has only rolled 12 times?!  That is not even close to "highly experienced".

I took MDMA hundreds of times in my youth and I never did a starting dose of 500-600mg.  THAT is insane.

Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: isallmememe on July 26, 2013, 06:34 pm
Wow, .5g of molly, without checking purity, is just fucking stupid!


2. The heroin analogy was spot on... Let me elaborate.. A .5g of 42% molly = .25 84%



yep, and the second M is meth

methylenedioxymethamphetamine
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: isallmememe on July 26, 2013, 06:40 pm
Quote from: Wikipedia
Purity and dosage of "ecstasy"
MDMA powder

Another concern associated with MDMA use is toxicity from chemicals other than MDMA in ecstasy tablets. Due to its near-universal illegality, the purity of a substance sold as ecstasy is unknown to the typical user. The MDMA content of tablets varies widely between regions and different brands of pills and fluctuates somewhat each year. Pills may contain other active substances meant to stimulate in a way similar to MDMA, such as amphetamine, mephedrone, methamphetamine, ephedrine, caffeine, all of which may be comparatively cheap to produce and can help to boost overall profits. In some cases, tablets sold as ecstasy do not even contain any MDMA. Instead they may contain an assortment of undesirable drugs and substances, such as paracetamol, ibuprofen, talcum powder, etc.[85]

A number of deaths have been attributed to para-methoxyamphetamine (PMA), a hallucinogenic amphetamine, being sold as ecstasy.[86][87] PMA is unique in its ability to quickly elevate body temperature and heart rate at relatively low doses, especially in comparison to MDMA. Hence, users believing they are consuming two 120-mg pills of MDMA could actually be consuming a dose of PMA that is potentially lethal, depending on the purity of the pill. Not only does PMA cause the release of serotonin, but it also acts as a monoamine oxidase inhibitor. When combined with an MDMA or an MDMA-like substance, serotonin syndrome can result.[88] Combining MAO inhibitors with certain legal prescription and over-the-counter medications can also lead to (potentially fatal) serotonin syndrome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA#Purity_and_dosage_of_"ecstasy"
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: cryngie on July 26, 2013, 09:17 pm
@ 7kz2 you say MDMA is pure not cut like heroin then 4 replays later state 70% of MDMA is pure please pick one
Are you even sure it was MDMA my mates have bought"MDMA" and recieved MDP2P,which there is like 5 different chemical stuctures of they've go MDA, MCA even PMA thats why i said try a little it it good advice for any and all drugs
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: milkabuki on July 26, 2013, 10:10 pm
If she was used to doing .6 of molly she probably wasn't doing pure molly or has developed some serious holes in her brain from doing so.

SR molly is all pretty potent and should be treated as such - you should have tested it BEFORE ingesting as well as starting small. Even experienced users should only dose 150-200mg for pure molly. Hope your friend is okay and hope you learned a lesson.

I've read a few reviews about Endemic's mdma and people said it was good stuff - granted they only took 100-200 mg.
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: milkabuki on July 27, 2013, 02:15 am
Don't think it was an OD from the product being cut with meth btw as I'm sure pure mdma will test positive for meth as well. Sounded like she got serotonin syndrome -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin_syndrome

5 points at once sounds like an easy way to get serotonin syndrome dude.
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: Endemic on July 27, 2013, 05:43 am
I'm sorry that it's taken so long to make an appearance in this thread. I'd been searching the rumor mill and hadn't found anything.

First, let me offer my sincerest sympathies and concern for this poor girl. It certainly sounds like serotonin syndrome to me. This situation has my stomach in absolute knots. More than LE, I worry about things like this.

I won't beat a dead horse here, but 500-600mg is overdose territory, plain and simple. Big or small, male or female. Experience counts for naught at these levels. Someone who has always done pressed pills may not understand that a 600mg pill is 500mg filler and binder, with only 100mg active MDMA.

Also, this MDMA was not cut with meth. Anyone wishing to know the (extremely reputable) source, feel free to PM as I don't have explicit permission to reference their name with regard to my resale. Once you know where this last batch came from, you'll understand that we're dealing with MDMA of very high purity.

I never, ever trust reputation alone, however. I always reagent test every new batch, and this one was no different. The Marquis test went straight to purple/black with no other colors or strange reactions. I've also roll tested it and it was very clean MDMA. If cut with meth, I'd have been up for 8-10hrs, which was not the case. Effects start to tail off at 3-4hrs, and past 6hrs or so, it's getting to be bedtime.

In the USA, at least, meth is at least 2x more $/g than MDMA, which makes it a pretty unlikely cut for the same reason that opium isn't usually cut with heroin. It's even spendier I believe in the countries that I source from. I don't know what else I can say on this point, except that (which others have pointed out) MDMA is a member of the amphetamine drug class and will test positive as such in many analysis results.

Again, I'm very sorry to hear about this girl and her trouble. I hope she will make a full recovery.

I'm disappointed, however, to see my name dragged out here in addition to an amended 1/5 feedback rating because of the misuse of my product. Any harm reduction thread or website out there will advise against going too far beyond 150-200mg. I realize that street X can be of such a terrible purity that 600mg might be necessary to get off, but I'm not so sure that my reputation should take a hit when I supply the real deal and someone goes overboard with it. I'm just being straight here, but my primary concern is the safety of my customers, not my feedback score. I do understand that this thread was started with the best intentions and out of concern for a friend and for others, and I completely respect and commend that attitude.

FWIW, I've been getting very good roll reports from some of the other buyers of the last batch.

To the OP: I've responded to your message and will continue to be here for your support. All the best.


Regards,
Endemic
Title: Re: A Disturbing Problem
Post by: isallmememe on July 27, 2013, 06:13 am
sounds fair enough to me endemic. if somebody cut their wrists with a knife they wouldn't go after the hardware store that sold it to them. so why the fuck should they make a big deal when someone fucks themselves up with drugs. even if somebody od'd on paracetamol(tylenol) they wouldn't go after the pharmacist that supplied it. because it would be the persons own stupid fault for being so reckless with it in the first place, nothing else.