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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Magic Moments on December 23, 2012, 09:30 pm
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Hi everyone, We were wondering if its normal that even after we get good feedback and amazing reviews, that no sales come in? We know its the holidays and many people aren't home and on the road to shop, but is it normal that we've only had one paid sale?
What could we do to increase the views to our vendor page and drive in more clients? Any ideas or plans are appreciated. Thanks
-Magic Moments Team
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I don't use cocaine but if I was gonna order some I wouldn't pick you guys because:
Being new.
Low transaction count (I know, I know, you need clients in order to get better scores).
Price for 1gram is at least 1BTC more than most other sellers and I only checked one page from the cocaine vendors.
No idea what you guys can do but good luck and I hope things get better!
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I don't use cocaine but if I was gonna order some I wouldn't pick you guys because:
Being new.
Low transaction count (I know, I know, you need clients in order to get better scores).
Price for 1gram is at least 1BTC more than most other sellers and I only checked one page from the cocaine vendors.
No idea what you guys can do but good luck and I hope things get better!
Thanks for your truthful opinion, unfortunately, we can't do anything about being new, hopefully our sales will pick up soon and we'll have some transactions under our belt, as for our price being higher then the one you checked out, this may be, but we never said we were selling cheep cocaine. We just figured after the reviews we got from the forum members that we would have had a few sales by now.
We think it may be due to the holidays but we will keep an eye on things here and see what happens in the weeks to come. Thanks again for replying.
Magic
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I think you'll be fine once people get past the Holiday crunch, its a tough time economically and that in combination with everyone has blown a wad on gifts and travel this time of year usually slows things down somewhat I would imagine, I bet your sales pick up right after the first of the year especially if you have good quality and shipping time.
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Be patient . I'll order after the new year.
I might order around the 28th.
Christmas shopping sucked most people's money .. .
Once a few transactions go through, I'll order regularly. I prefer domestic vendors like yourself..
Thanks.
thanks, were currently working on a reward system for returning clients. kind of a punch card and when you buy 5 you get one free type of thing. Its still in its early stages and once we finish with it we're going to post it and use the thread as the official chart.
We look forward to your business.
MM
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I blew too much money this holiday,
but we here will be giving your blow a try within the next couple weeks.
Your stuff looks solid, we can't wait.
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Can you post some information about the product you sell, price, and a link to reviews on your product? I read some things about coke? I have been thinking lately about ordering a little coke for the holidays.
Although EVERY TIME I do an "upper", I get too geeked the fucked out. And I always say "I knew I shoulda just went and got some dope or benzos"
But I think I haven't experienced a good "Upper" high yet. I always become jaw locked, twitching, and just not having a good time period. Like I said "Too geeked the fuck out"
I've smoked rocks, snorted blow, and smoked meth. And of all of them I liked smoking rocks, more of a euphoric body high, instead of tweaking.
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Can you post some information about the product you sell, price, and a link to reviews on your product? I read some things about coke? I have been thinking lately about ordering a little coke for the holidays.
Although EVERY TIME I do an "upper", I get too geeked the fucked out. And I always say "I knew I shoulda just went and got some dope or benzos"
But I think I haven't experienced a good "Upper" high yet. I always become jaw locked, twitching, and just not having a good time period. Like I said "Too geeked the fuck out"
I've smoked rocks, snorted blow, and smoked meth. And of all of them I liked smoking rocks, more of a euphoric body high, instead of tweaking.
Hi there, Our review thread and vendor profile are in our signature, you can also search our name in the cocaine review thread for some more chat about our products.
We know our stuff is real good, it cooks back a lot, it had none of our testers tweaking and most said it was a nice clean high. Let us know if you have any other questions and thinks for showing interest.
MM
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I blew too much money this holiday,
but we here will be giving your blow a try within the next couple weeks.
Your stuff looks solid, we can't wait.
Thank you very much, we look forward to dealing with you in the new year.
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Most new vendors set up sample transactions like NOrth west direct did, and sent a bunch of small free samples set up as transactions to help get their count up.. That helps.
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+1 to what sham said, over here your prices are what one would pay for purest/top quality so I doubt anyone in my city would buy lol. I agree with sham I have same views. Perhaps do what many coke vendors do and have introductory prices and once they get a good base who like their product, raise price to Normal price and if you like just offer good price for your early customers so they don't wander
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Here's a few things in kinda ranked order.
1. It's the holidays (money + time + shipping) = bad time for newcomers
2. You've been a member for only 19 days. That's nothing for a brand new vendor where there is already high competition
3. $140 a gram is pretty steep IF we aren't certain it will be the best quality possible. There are already US vendors that offer premium cocaine for cheaper
4. It's faster and safer to ship US to US than CN to US
5. You have very little feedback. Try offering more samples maybe or offering temporarily lower prices like others do.
6. You require a signature, which will inevitably scare some customers away.
Not meant to be snide, but just some honest pointers for you, but indeed A LOT of it is that you became a vendor at a time when people have little money and time and shipping times are way slow for international, where most of your customers will be located. I myself am waiting for the holidays to be over before I start making large orders.
Wish you all the best. Try to find a niche that makes you guys unique.
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what up magic??
dude, in all seriousness.. i'm not even paying attention to how 'bomb' vendors claim their coke is..
i'm going straight to the most established vendor..
then finding the cheapest price!!
but in all honesty, i love my drugs.. and i need them around me at all times!!
so if you're serious about giving out 'frequent flyer miles'.. dude, count me in!! that's hella bomb!!
and i'm ALWAYS down for lil 2btc testers also!!
good luck bro!!
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Here's a few things in kinda ranked order.
1. It's the holidays (money + time + shipping) = bad time for newcomers
2. You've been a member for only 19 days. That's nothing for a brand new vendor where there is already high competition
3. $140 a gram is pretty steep IF we aren't certain it will be the best quality possible. There are already US vendors that offer premium cocaine for cheaper
4. It's faster and safer to ship US to US than CN to US
5. You have very little feedback. Try offering more samples maybe or offering temporarily lower prices like others do.
6. You require a signature, which will inevitably scare some customers away.
Not meant to be snide, but just some honest pointers for you, but indeed A LOT of it is that you became a vendor at a time when people have little money and time and shipping times are way slow for international, where most of your customers will be located. I myself am waiting for the holidays to be over before I start making large orders.
Wish you all the best. Try to find a niche that makes you guys unique.
Thank,s were going to take all this info into account, were thinking of including free express shipping on all orders, that may help us out a bit, also, from the reviews we've got so far, it seems that we have some of the best coke on the road. It only makes 1 stop after leaving south amercia before it gets to my guys, they step on it once but we believe the purity to be around 85-90%. We cant really lower our prices without compromising quality which we are not going to do. Were going to take it slow over the next few weeks and see how it goes, but we feel our price/quality ratio makes our product a top contender here on the road. Oh, and we almost forgot. Most of our samples were sent to the states and all but one made in within 4 business days. We believe that to be a fast shipping time compared to others.
Thanks for your input once again.
MM
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Threads like this ain't going to help you at all, makes you look desperate.
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::) I hope to see that MDMA get listed as you mentioned. I think that will drive in sales, esp. if you can offer it at the prices you were mentioning (par w/ CanadianLTD)...
I think a lot of people would love to see a "cheaper" / non-overseas MDMA vendor on the road who works in escrow. And if your coke prices were lower... you'd do well there too.
Were working on this, we want to take it slow and not rush into anything too fast. The MDMA will be listed in due time, and it will be in the same price range as cdnltd. Cocaine is our RL business, we have stock, clients, ect. MDMA is not our product, while we do "hook-up" our friends with 9 zips here and there its not our main focus. As soon as the coke starts rolling on the road we will introduce our "brown sand" MDMA. Thanks.
Magic
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Didnt read it all, but usually 1st reason, and last(on that thought) is prices.
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I just looked at your seller on Silk Road and even though you have all 100% feedback you still dont have a 100% by your name. You need more customers that pay so you can get the number by your name. Once you have a number by your name more people will feel comfortable making a purchase!!
Good luck
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Threads like this ain't going to help you at all, makes you look desperate.
This. I was fully intent on buying from MarleysMainMan until he made a thread exactly like this. It bespeaks emotional immaturity and financial insecurity.
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what up magic??
dude, in all seriousness.. i'm not even paying attention to how 'bomb' vendors claim their coke is..
i'm going straight to the most established vendor..
then finding the cheapest price!!
but in all honesty, i love my drugs.. and i need them around me at all times!!
so if you're serious about giving out 'frequent flyer miles'.. dude, count me in!! that's hella bomb!!
and i'm ALWAYS down for lil 2btc testers also!!
good luck bro!!
Hi murderface, we totally agree with you about not paying attention to how a vendor says his product is such and such good. We do however believe in the reviews that the members of SR write. All of our testers have said wonderful things about our coke. We dont believe there was one bad word said about the product itself, and were not talking about new accounts with 12 posts, these are seasoned buyers on the road and love their coke. :)
As for the frequent flyer club idea, were still working on it. We have to figure out the margins first and how much we'll sell. If we explode and start selling all kinds then it wont need to be looked into as much as just throwing something together that works for our clients and us. As of now, what we have in mind is after 4 orders every order will be 10% off. There will be some rules, for example, you cant be a 1 gram buyer 4 times and then want to buy an ounce and save 280$. were not looking to get scammed, but we think 10% back is fair after 4 purchases if the purchases stay at the same quantity range or even lower.
Were trying to figure out how we can do this on the forums so everyone can be aware of the savings being had by our clients after they prove to be "good clients". this is still a few weeks away at least but if you place an order now it will still count once we announce the frequent flyer thread. Thanks for sharing.
-Magic
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start shipping internationally?
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Didnt read it all, but usually 1st reason, and last(on that thought) is prices.
Were looking into this, Thanks.
MM
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Threads like this ain't going to help you at all, makes you look desperate.
This. I was fully intent on buying from MarleysMainMan until he made a thread exactly like this. It bespeaks emotional immaturity and financial insecurity.
Hey, thanks for your opinion, we value everyone's views here and just want you to know, were not freaking out over a lack of sales, we were just wondering if maybe we should add/do something to bring more eyes our way, maybe include free weed with every order, or include free shipping on all orders. We came here to get advice and it seems we got some good feedback from the members. Thanks for your views and hopefully you'll give us a try sometime, not because we are financially insecure (we sent out almost half gram samples via express post, shipping alone was 25$ each) but because everyone deserves to have a good coke hook-up.
Magic
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Hi, just to keep you all in the loop, thanks to this thread we are now offering free express post shipping on all orders of 1gram or more. We want to thank everyone for their views and recommendations and hope to see some of you soon racking up the FFP.
MM
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Threads like this ain't going to help you at all, makes you look desperate.
If you read the reply's you would see that it is very helpful and probably got him a few more sales.
Doesn't seem desperate at all to me that a seller is asking the buyers for their opinions.
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You need more clients. I think you should decrease your prices a lot as like a "Holiday Special". That way, you will get a lot of clients, good reviews, and more publicity.
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the signature requirement is a deal killer for me.
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I've been planning on ordering from you because of the postive reviews, should be soon after new years, Christmas took my $ lol
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Magic,
I think you're on the right path. You have the right attitude and people are saying you've got a good product, as you get more sales people will have more confidence.
Here are some helpful ideas from a fellow vendor:
I think overall you just need to to market more and continue to establish yourself.
When I release a new product the first thing I would do is offer a temporary low introductory pricing so people can get it for a steal. Let people know that you are selling a premium product at a loss to entice them to buy so that they understand this is a deal. That will speed things up and get more orders under your belt. It doesn't really matter how cheaply you have to sell it because it's temporary until people trust you. Things should improve at around 100 orders If you listed your product at half price for the next 100 orders it would cost you about $5000. I consider this $5000 advertising.
Instead of selling 1.0g at a lower price if you don't mind a bunch of labor what you can do is sell 0.2gm samples for $15 each. This has the advntage of getting the order count up very quickly, but it has a few disadvantages. I don't do this because I don't like sticking a lot of packages in the mail and I have a high cost per shipment related to my security protocols, but if this is something you feel comfortable doing you can get a lot of orders and feedback under your belt. Another danger is dropping the price down to the $15 for 0.2gm range lets in a bunch of less mature people which means you might get poor feedback.
Another great way to market is to talk to the established members of the forum with lots of posts and positive karma and send them free samples with the clear understanding that the favorable deal is for them to do a review, not for favoritism in the review. You have to be careful to be clear that you are not bribing them for a favorable review, but just a review which should be unbiased. As long as it's clear that you're on morally high ground this is a great way to get the ball rolling.
Speaking of forums, talking with people and helping the community in the cocaine forums is a good way to get your name spread around just by communicating. I made a post earlier today about purification of cocaine for example. If I'm lucky people will start to call this "nod's method of purification" which is brand recognition. I also put a comment about being extremely good in bed in my tag line in hopes that I might get some hot chicks flirting with me, sure as shit.. brand recognition :) (hi 'blue & dark!)
The photos you have look absolutely delicious. SR shrinks them down for bandwidth reasons so some of the detail is lost. You might want to upload a higher res copy on the onion image uploader so people can see what they're getting. I use my name in the photos so that people know the product shown is actually in my hands, and to prevent others from stealing the photos of my product for their use, you might consider that if you dont want anybody to steal your photos.
Since you have a brick in your hands another option you have is to send solid 1.1gm chunks to customers rather than powder as a novelty. While coke can be rerocked, most rerocks are horrid soft messes so sending a solid chunk for people to razor blade off of helps customer confidence. Chunks are harder to ship but there's always ways :)
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Sepperate yourself from the rest
turn you packaging into artwork
so it is undetectable, and then ship
worldwide..! 8)
Not for the faint hearted tho.
Peace
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Nod is right about making some small listings. 5 or 10 samplers isn't really enough. I'd set a .2 listing for 25 bucks and use the cheapest shipping but maybe use those mylar bags you can get from ebay with it. Make that listing a buy at your own risk kind of thing. Get your 35 transactions accomplished so you can join the vendors forum
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the signature requirement is a deal killer for me.
This is not our decision, its Canada post's. We wish we had another option but we don't. We aren't getting into the stamp & envelope and regular mail game(takes to long and leaves us open to scam). All packages will go tracked so there will never be a need to go into debate with SR staff.
We hope you'll reconsider, were not the only vendors out here that face this problem and if you search the forums there's lots of discussion about signing for canada post items.
MM
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I've been planning on ordering from you because of the postive reviews, should be soon after new years, Christmas took my $ lol
Thank you, we look forward to it!
MM
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Magic,
I think you're on the right path. You have the right attitude and people are saying you've got a good product, as you get more sales people will have more confidence.
Here are some helpful ideas from a fellow vendor:
I think overall you just need to to market more and continue to establish yourself.
When I release a new product the first thing I would do is offer a temporary low introductory pricing so people can get it for a steal. Let people know that you are selling a premium product at a loss to entice them to buy so that they understand this is a deal. That will speed things up and get more orders under your belt. It doesn't really matter how cheaply you have to sell it because it's temporary until people trust you. Things should improve at around 100 orders If you listed your product at half price for the next 100 orders it would cost you about $5000. I consider this $5000 advertising.
Instead of selling 1.0g at a lower price if you don't mind a bunch of labor what you can do is sell 0.2gm samples for $15 each. This has the advntage of getting the order count up very quickly, but it has a few disadvantages. I don't do this because I don't like sticking a lot of packages in the mail and I have a high cost per shipment related to my security protocols, but if this is something you feel comfortable doing you can get a lot of orders and feedback under your belt. Another danger is dropping the price down to the $15 for 0.2gm range lets in a bunch of less mature people which means you might get poor feedback.
Another great way to market is to talk to the established members of the forum with lots of posts and positive karma and send them free samples with the clear understanding that the favorable deal is for them to do a review, not for favoritism in the review. You have to be careful to be clear that you are not bribing them for a favorable review, but just a review which should be unbiased. As long as it's clear that you're on morally high ground this is a great way to get the ball rolling.
Speaking of forums, talking with people and helping the community in the cocaine forums is a good way to get your name spread around just by communicating. I made a post earlier today about purification of cocaine for example. If I'm lucky people will start to call this "nod's method of purification" which is brand recognition. I also put a comment about being extremely good in bed in my tag line in hopes that I might get some hot chicks flirting with me, sure as shit.. brand recognition :) (hi 'blue & dark!)
The photos you have look absolutely delicious. SR shrinks them down for bandwidth reasons so some of the detail is lost. You might want to upload a higher res copy on the onion image uploader so people can see what they're getting. I use my name in the photos so that people know the product shown is actually in my hands, and to prevent others from stealing the photos of my product for their use, you might consider that if you dont want anybody to steal your photos.
Since you have a brick in your hands another option you have is to send solid 1.1gm chunks to customers rather than powder as a novelty. While coke can be rerocked, most rerocks are horrid soft messes so sending a solid chunk for people to razor blade off of helps customer confidence. Chunks are harder to ship but there's always ways :)
Hello Nod, Thanks for all the great ideas, some we may use, some not so much, but thanks none the less. +1 to you.
Magic
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Sepperate yourself from the rest
turn you packaging into artwork
so it is undetectable, and then ship
worldwide..! 8)
Not for the faint hearted tho.
Peace
Thanks, but at this time we have no interest in international shipping. Sorry.
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Nod is right about making some small listings. 5 or 10 samplers isn't really enough. I'd set a .2 listing for 25 bucks and use the cheapest shipping but maybe use those mylar bags you can get from ebay with it. Make that listing a buy at your own risk kind of thing. Get your 35 transactions accomplished so you can join the vendors forum
Hi, the only shipping we use costs 25$, we have no place for small listings due to this. Maybe we will reconsider at a later point. Thank.
MM
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your welcome MM. Been around here over a year now and really trying to come up with something that will give you an idea on what to do. I agree with standing firm behind your decisions but to be successful you may have to tweak things around a bit until you get those customers you want. They are out there just dying to find a dependable vendor but they all have their own standards of what they want to see before they go with a vendor. I've given many reviews here and went back to those vendors threads and I can tell you which big time buyers have bought off vendors according to my reviews. Some of those buyers will wait on my review before deciding to pull the trigger.
So maybe you can go look at other coke vendor threads and see who bought what according to who sampled and reviewed.
One vendor BCPLTD only sells a .1 listing but you can buy many quantities on that. He's very successful.
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from what i've seen over my time hear..
is that even when you are established and have decent sales/feed back..
people are still going to have their go-to Vendors that they went to..
before you came.. and they'll go to
after you leave.
it's all about personal preference..
some people just enjoy certain Vendors.
think of it like this:
you're shopping at Target.. and all of their prices are jacked up,
none of the items are in their right spots, and every employee has a snaggle-tooth attitude..
then, you go to Walmart.. and prices are all nice nice..
every item is pushed to the front of the row and are in their rightful positions..
and every employee greets you like family and caters to your needs like family.
are you going to continue shopping at Target or go to Walmart?
not saying you have a snaggle-tooth attitude or anything..
but i am sure you're smart enough to get the picture.
i am always willing to test our products and be a hype-buyer!
/thumbs
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the signature requirement is a deal killer for me.
There are a lot of good ideas posted here, MM. This would be deal breaker for me as well.
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you're shopping at Target.. and all of their prices are jacked up,
none of the items are in their right spots, and every employee has a snaggle-tooth attitude..
then, you go to Walmart.. and prices are all nice nice..
I dont know thumbs.. the problem I have at wal mart isnt the staff it's the danged customers. They all walk on the left side of the aisle and then stop, as if they just flew in from london.
Funny, I sound like limetless, all hard edged and in a hurry. The other day I posted "the difference between a heroin customer and a coke customer is most coke customers uses PGP". Time to turn that back on me, the difference between a heroin vendor and a coke vendor is coke vendors always have a stick up their ass :)
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Hello Nod, Thanks for all the great ideas, some we may use, some not so much, but thanks none the less. +1 to you.
Magic
Thanks! I see you took some of them, posting a bit more on the forums for brand recognition. Seriously though, where's the signature update telling how good in bed you are? How else are you going to let these people know!
I have a feeling that's what your name refers to, the "magic moments". Play to your strengths man!
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x-mas sales would be awesome
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Hi everyone, We were wondering if its normal that even after we get good feedback and amazing reviews, that no sales come in? We know its the holidays and many people aren't home and on the road to shop, but is it normal that we've only had one paid sale?
What could we do to increase the views to our vendor page and drive in more clients? Any ideas or plans are appreciated. Thanks
-Magic Moments Team
Sales have been a bit slower in the last few days. However looking at your listings, price is not cheap and there is no guarantee of quality through feedback: To answer your question, to bring in customers you need to entice them, the way we did it is by offering our first sales at an introductory cheap price. This gets the all important initial feedback in. You make less money on the first batch but in the end you stand to make a lot more overall. The other way is to have an outstanding product and offer samples to trusted people that will put out reviews and entice other buyers. But you must ensure that the product quality is way above all your competitors, that or the price quality balance needs to be heavily in your favor. Other things to help are to maintain an strong presence on the forums, be an amazing friendly person and do your up most to help people.
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Hello Nod, Thanks for all the great ideas, some we may use, some not so much, but thanks none the less. +1 to you.
Magic
Thanks! I see you took some of them, posting a bit more on the forums for brand recognition. Seriously though, where's the signature update telling how good in bed you are? How else are you going to let these people know!
I have a feeling that's what your name refers to, the "magic moments". Play to your strengths man!
Hi, We totally took some ideas from this thread and put them in play, as for the signature, I think my girlfriend, soon to be fiance (but dont tell her yet as she wont know till NYE.) would have issues with me talking about our sex life on the forums. If there is any doubt tho, I can say once and for all that I do know what I'm doing when it comes to that dance! ;)
Magic "Mark" Moments
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Hey guys, we just wanted to point out a fact about our product that has not been discussed yet. When a client places an order with us for 3 grams, they will get 3-1 gram bags, each bag is overweight so the client may actually get 3.3g or 3.2 or 3.1 but it will be over 3 grams, same with an order for 2-4-6-7-10-14 ect grams, so the more you buy, the more free extra you get. Just wanted to let everyone know this.
MM
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Hey guys, we just wanted to point out a fact about our product that has not been discussed yet. When a client places an order with us for 3 grams, they will get 3-1 gram bags, each bag is overweight so the client may actually get 3.3g or 3.2 or 3.1 but it will be over 3 grams, same with an order for 2-4-6-7-10-14 ect grams, so the more you buy, the more free extra you get. Just wanted to let everyone know this.
MM
Do you have any listings for tester bags? 1/4 g for example?
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Hey guys, we just wanted to point out a fact about our product that has not been discussed yet. When a client places an order with us for 3 grams, they will get 3-1 gram bags, each bag is overweight so the client may actually get 3.3g or 3.2 or 3.1 but it will be over 3 grams, same with an order for 2-4-6-7-10-14 ect grams, so the more you buy, the more free extra you get. Just wanted to let everyone know this.
MM
Do you have any listings for tester bags? 1/4 g for example?
Not at this moment in time, the only shipping option we use costs 25$ and kind of prices out any small size options.
MM
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Hey guys, we just wanted to point out a fact about our product that has not been discussed yet. When a client places an order with us for 3 grams, they will get 3-1 gram bags, each bag is overweight so the client may actually get 3.3g or 3.2 or 3.1 but it will be over 3 grams, same with an order for 2-4-6-7-10-14 ect grams, so the more you buy, the more free extra you get. Just wanted to let everyone know this.
MM
Nice!
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Hey guys, we just wanted to point out a fact about our product that has not been discussed yet. When a client places an order with us for 3 grams, they will get 3-1 gram bags, each bag is overweight so the client may actually get 3.3g or 3.2 or 3.1 but it will be over 3 grams, same with an order for 2-4-6-7-10-14 ect grams, so the more you buy, the more free extra you get. Just wanted to let everyone know this.
MM
Nice!
We think so, we also thought everyone should know this before ordering.
MM
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To be honest man if people like your shit they are gonna spend no matter what season we're in. The main issue here is they haven't tried your shit, and you have low transactions. So to get around that you'll have to give out samples of your shit for a number of transactions to get yourself out of that "new vendor" section. I know it sucks but man trust me if you try what I'm telling you and you have some good shit once they try the shit they will be back.