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Title: MESCALINE...
Post by: wwwrothy on February 04, 2013, 02:11 pm
I need to know who's bought mescaline here on SR in the last month or so.

I know DEADGUY has some out there, I also know of a few others that have postings that go fast.

So please...hit me back and let me and everyone else who you got your Mescaline from, and tell me how it treated ya!!

The SR LSD community right now show perfectly where the best LSD is, which is amazing. Mescaline, is a very, very special psychedelic and we all need to know where to get this quality product.

ROTH
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: remoulade on February 04, 2013, 02:42 pm
I would definitely recommend the raw cactus over an extract, you just don't get the same alkaloid profile from an extract that you do from consuming cactus soup. Plus cooking up the gunk is part of the experience, as is watching your friends' faces as they drink up in disgust!
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: wwwrothy on February 05, 2013, 12:36 am
So would you know the best place to score the cactus? Do you just eat up the cactus? I heard that is pretty rough....
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: remoulade on February 05, 2013, 01:15 am
It's not illegal to purchase the dried cactus in chunks, but you might have trouble finding a powdered version. Depends where you are in the world though, if you're in the EU I can point you in the right direction. I'll even give you my recipe for non-nauseating cactus gunk!
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: Snooze on February 05, 2013, 02:11 am
Shit, I thought i was going to find some double barrel purples in this thread! haha in my neighborhood mescaline were tiny lsd pills that were cheap and tons of fun. thats was many years ago though....................
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: wwwrothy on February 05, 2013, 12:58 pm
Yea I've heard of the mescaline pills...I'm in the US btw.

I just have my eye on a gram of the of pure synthetic (oxy moron) mesacline, just gotta make sure im getting every single bang for my buck. I mean a heard a very hard mescaline trip can be the most intensely helpful things in the world, i mean hell its been used for centuries..
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: remoulade on February 05, 2013, 01:32 pm
You can buy the dried cactus, Ebay is a good place to start. Then all you need to do is grind it up, cook it in orange juice, a bit of lemon juice, loads of sugar, cinnamon and whatever else you want to use to mask the bitterness. Then you drink it. This was my first ever psychedelic experience, with 40g of cactus, and is still one of my favourite and most intense trips I've ever had!

Supposedly the synthetic version is missing something... Check out some of the discussions on this board and others like Bluelight. You may also want to be careful because there's escaline and proscaline floating about at the moment, I've got a few sources for them, so when you buy 'mescaline HCl' it might not be what it says on the tin. EDIT: though I have been toying with the idea of purchasing all three - mescaline, proscaline and escaline - then finding a good ratio for a more balanced 'cactus like' experience. Don't have a clue if this would work though, I've had similar thoughts regarding the psilocin analogues like 4-ACO-DMT, 4-HO-MET and 4-ACO-DET.
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: acider on February 05, 2013, 01:36 pm
It's not illegal to purchase the dried cactus in chunks, but you might have trouble finding a powdered version. Depends where you are in the world though, if you're in the EU I can point you in the right direction. I'll even give you my recipe for non-nauseating cactus gunk!

I m in EU and I 'd love to know that remoulade. I have found powdered but it was in Peru/US if there's a source here let me know, also didn't know you could use it without extraction.
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: remoulade on February 05, 2013, 02:09 pm
It's not illegal to purchase the dried cactus in chunks, but you might have trouble finding a powdered version. Depends where you are in the world though, if you're in the EU I can point you in the right direction. I'll even give you my recipe for non-nauseating cactus gunk!

I m in EU and I 'd love to know that remoulade. I have found powdered but it was in Peru/US if there's a source here let me know, also didn't know you could use it without extraction.

Love to know a source for powdered cactus or the recipe, or both? I can give more detailed instructions than what I've done above if you like.
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: theman22 on February 05, 2013, 02:58 pm
It's not illegal to purchase the dried cactus in chunks, but you might have trouble finding a powdered version. Depends where you are in the world though, if you're in the EU I can point you in the right direction. I'll even give you my recipe for non-nauseating cactus gunk!

I m in EU and I 'd love to know that remoulade. I have found powdered but it was in Peru/US if there's a source here let me know, also didn't know you could use it without extraction.

Love to know a source for powdered cactus or the recipe, or both? I can give more detailed instructions than what I've done above if you like.

just stumbled across this thread and im glad i have,iv been wanting to try mescaline for some time now and been thinking about the synthetic stuff however iv heard a few people say its missing something and now remoulade so im guessing the vast majority are right.could you possibly point me in the right direction? :-D
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: acider on February 05, 2013, 03:09 pm

Love to know a source for powdered cactus or the recipe, or both? I can give more detailed instructions than what I've done above if you like.

Interested for both, any info you can give will be much appreciated.
Thanks.
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: remoulade on February 06, 2013, 02:34 pm
Regarding a source for powdered cactus, mine was typically local. Now it's been a few years since I cooked up cactus gunk and the law has become a lot stricter with what form of cactus you're importing, whether it's 'ready for consumption' or not. Hence when looking for a powdered source it's safer to stay either local or at least order domestically. With that said, it's very easy to make the gunk from cactus chips, so it's not worth being bait about importing 'ready for consumption' cactus when you can make it yourself! Cactus chips are arguably also easier to store. Here's how to make the powder: purchase the dried chips and put them in a blender. If you don't have a blender, put the chips in a bag and smash them up. When making the gunk, if you've still got lumps of cactus, you can mash up the pieces as they re-hydrate.

Chips can be purchased here: http://www.organicdyes.co.uk/peruvian-torch-cactus-trichocereus-peruvianus.php

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Here's my recipe for cactus gunk that's surprisingly neutral in taste.

For 3 doses:
-120g dried cactus (preferably Peruvian Torch)
-2 litres orange juice
-Juice of 1/2 a lemon
-Sugar (add to taste; you'll need a lot)
-Cinnnamon (add to taste)
-Water (or more orange juice)

Heat up the orange juice in a large saucepan, add the lemon juice and cactus. Let this simmer for 45 minutes and add water as required as gunk reduces to keep it liquid, you don't want a thick gunk because that'll be difficult to swallow. Add a lot of sugar and cinnamon, the amount of sugar and cinnamon you'll need will depend on the kind of orange juice you're using and your taste buds. 100g per dose is about right for most people, but more sweetness will counteract the bitterness, take that into account.

You'll want to let the gunk cool before attempting the drink it, so put it in the fridge (or freezer if you're in a rush). Once it's cool split it into 6 and dole out 1 each between 3 of you. Drink it in one go because nursing it is like taking little sips of vomit, the texture is too similar, especially if you haven't added enough water... 45 - 75 minutes later, drink the last dose. Staggering dosing like this will reduce nausea during the come up, but it won't prevent purging later on in the trip; I found this inevitable, as do most of my associates. An empty stomach and weed also helps with the nausea during the onset. The full trip lasts around 16 hours, so strap in!
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: busta999 on February 06, 2013, 03:07 pm
Thanks a lot for this recipe and the source of cactus-chips. Will definitely put this on my todo list. Have long wanted to try mescalin.
Will send some karma your way for this and your appetizing username once I get the required 100 posts.
Seeing it gave me a huge urge to visit the local poelse-pusher.for a hotdog meddethele


Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: theman22 on February 06, 2013, 04:47 pm
holy shit 16hrs?

 i cant wait to get a free weekend sometime soon to try this out  ;D

what would the hit be like if you only took the first one each and say kept the other 3 in the freezer for the next rainy day?or would it be better to jus go all out?
it would be my first time trying mescalin.

cheers for the source and recipe mate been longing to try it jus never found a simple way +1 to you
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: remoulade on February 06, 2013, 05:29 pm
@busta999 I'm glad my username got your stomach grumbling!

@theman22 I'd definitely advise going all out, a teasing dose is quite frustrating in my opinion.
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: acider on February 06, 2013, 05:43 pm
Nice!
If you have tried extracted mesc, did it produce same kind of trip? I ve read some extraction methods but I don't know if they re worth the trouble/risk if you get similar results.
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: theman22 on February 06, 2013, 06:06 pm
@busta999 I'm glad my username got your stomach grumbling!

@theman22 I'd definitely advise going all out, a teasing dose is quite frustrating in my opinion.

sweet mate ill hopefully be trying it in the not to distant future and when i do ill have to let you know how it goes  8)
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: shadrock on February 06, 2013, 07:12 pm
Regarding a source for powdered cactus, mine was typically local. Now it's been a few years since I cooked up cactus gunk and the law has become a lot stricter with what form of cactus you're importing, whether it's 'ready for consumption' or not. Hence when looking for a powdered source it's safer to stay either local or at least order domestically. With that said, it's very easy to make the gunk from cactus chips, so it's not worth being bait about importing 'ready for consumption' cactus when you can make it yourself! Cactus chips are arguably also easier to store. Here's how to make the powder: purchase the dried chips and put them in a blender. If you don't have a blender, put the chips in a bag and smash them up. When making the gunk, if you've still got lumps of cactus, you can mash up the pieces as they re-hydrate.

Chips can be purchased here: http://www.organicdyes.co.uk/peruvian-torch-cactus-trichocereus-peruvianus.php

------------------------------------------------------

Here's my recipe for cactus gunk that's surprisingly neutral in taste.

For 3 doses:
-120g dried cactus (preferably Peruvian Torch)
-2 litres orange juice
-Juice of 1/2 a lemon
-Sugar (add to taste; you'll need a lot)
-Cinnnamon (add to taste)
-Water (or more orange juice)

Heat up the orange juice in a large saucepan, add the lemon juice and cactus. Let this simmer for 45 minutes and add water as required as gunk reduces to keep it liquid, you don't want a thick gunk because that'll be difficult to swallow. Add a lot of sugar and cinnamon, the amount of sugar and cinnamon you'll need will depend on the kind of orange juice you're using and your taste buds. 100g per dose is about right for most people, but more sweetness will counteract the bitterness, take that into account.

You'll want to let the gunk cool before attempting the drink it, so put it in the fridge (or freezer if you're in a rush). Once it's cool split it into 6 and dole out 1 each between 3 of you. Drink it in one go because nursing it is like taking little sips of vomit, the texture is too similar, especially if you haven't added enough water... 45 - 75 minutes later, drink the last dose. Staggering dosing like this will reduce nausea during the come up, but it won't prevent purging later on in the trip; I found this inevitable, as do most of my associates. An empty stomach and weed also helps with the nausea during the onset. The full trip lasts around 16 hours, so strap in!

I've only used mescaline once, and it was several years ago, but I wanted to chime in and warn people not to eat 100 grams of T. peruvianus (Peruvian Torch) cactus. I believe T. pachanoi (San Pedro) has less mescaline content than peruvianus, maybe 100 grams of pachanoi would be reasonable, but that much of a good sample of peruvianus would be beyond insane.

Myself and two acquaintances ate roughly 20 grams each of dried T. peruvianus "chips." We didn't boil them down or make a tea, we just broke them up with a spoon or chewed them and slugged them down with some drinks. It was bitter and gross, but so is the tea I've heard.

Start with 20 grams and see how you feel a few hours later. Not 30 minutes later, not an hour and 15 minutes later, wait at least two hours before deciding to take more. All three of us thought the description of the com-up on mescaline provided in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was surprisingly accurate. Basically you feel perfectly normal and think it isn't working, you must have gotten ripped off. Then at the two hour mark you feel it all at once. There is no gradual progression, you're sober one moment, then 10 minutes later you're tripping balls.

20 grams had us tripping for at least 16 hours. I would hate to see someone start with 100 grams and then two hours later realize they took five times too much, knowing they were in for a terrifying two day journey. I'm sure each sample of cactus material may contain different amounts of alkaloids, but start small.
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: theman22 on February 06, 2013, 07:38 pm
Regarding a source for powdered cactus, mine was typically local. Now it's been a few years since I cooked up cactus gunk and the law has become a lot stricter with what form of cactus you're importing, whether it's 'ready for consumption' or not. Hence when looking for a powdered source it's safer to stay either local or at least order domestically. With that said, it's very easy to make the gunk from cactus chips, so it's not worth being bait about importing 'ready for consumption' cactus when you can make it yourself! Cactus chips are arguably also easier to store. Here's how to make the powder: purchase the dried chips and put them in a blender. If you don't have a blender, put the chips in a bag and smash them up. When making the gunk, if you've still got lumps of cactus, you can mash up the pieces as they re-hydrate.

Chips can be purchased here: http://www.organicdyes.co.uk/peruvian-torch-cactus-trichocereus-peruvianus.php

------------------------------------------------------

Here's my recipe for cactus gunk that's surprisingly neutral in taste.

For 3 doses:
-120g dried cactus (preferably Peruvian Torch)
-2 litres orange juice
-Juice of 1/2 a lemon
-Sugar (add to taste; you'll need a lot)
-Cinnnamon (add to taste)
-Water (or more orange juice)

Heat up the orange juice in a large saucepan, add the lemon juice and cactus. Let this simmer for 45 minutes and add water as required as gunk reduces to keep it liquid, you don't want a thick gunk because that'll be difficult to swallow. Add a lot of sugar and cinnamon, the amount of sugar and cinnamon you'll need will depend on the kind of orange juice you're using and your taste buds. 100g per dose is about right for most people, but more sweetness will counteract the bitterness, take that into account.

You'll want to let the gunk cool before attempting the drink it, so put it in the fridge (or freezer if you're in a rush). Once it's cool split it into 6 and dole out 1 each between 3 of you. Drink it in one go because nursing it is like taking little sips of vomit, the texture is too similar, especially if you haven't added enough water... 45 - 75 minutes later, drink the last dose. Staggering dosing like this will reduce nausea during the come up, but it won't prevent purging later on in the trip; I found this inevitable, as do most of my associates. An empty stomach and weed also helps with the nausea during the onset. The full trip lasts around 16 hours, so strap in!

I've only used mescaline once, and it was several years ago, but I wanted to chime in and warn people not to eat 100 grams of T. peruvianus (Peruvian Torch) cactus. I believe T. pachanoi (San Pedro) has less mescaline content than peruvianus, maybe 100 grams of pachanoi would be reasonable, but that much of a good sample of peruvianus would be beyond insane.

Myself and two acquaintances ate roughly 20 grams each of dried T. peruvianus "chips." We didn't boil them down or make a tea, we just broke them up with a spoon or chewed them and slugged them down with some drinks. It was bitter and gross, but so is the tea I've heard.

Start with 20 grams and see how you feel a few hours later. Not 30 minutes later, not an hour and 15 minutes later, wait at least two hours before deciding to take more. All three of us thought the description of the com-up on mescaline provided in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was surprisingly accurate. Basically you feel perfectly normal and think it isn't working, you must have gotten ripped off. Then at the two hour mark you feel it all at once. There is no gradual progression, you're sober one moment, then 10 minutes later you're tripping balls.

20 grams had us tripping for at least 16 hours. I would hate to see someone start with 100 grams and then two hours later realize they took five times too much, knowing they were in for a terrifying two day journey. I'm sure each sample of cactus material may contain different amounts of alkaloids, but start small.

cheers for your input on this mate i wouldnt know what the recommended does would be its a whole new ball game for me.

however  remoulade has stated that this recipe is to be split between 3 people so that would be roughly 40grams each

i know what your saying tho 100 grams and youd be waking up in a fucked up room covered in all sorts just like in fear loathing
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: wwwrothy on February 06, 2013, 07:50 pm
Regarding a source for powdered cactus, mine was typically local. Now it's been a few years since I cooked up cactus gunk and the law has become a lot stricter with what form of cactus you're importing, whether it's 'ready for consumption' or not. Hence when looking for a powdered source it's safer to stay either local or at least order domestically. With that said, it's very easy to make the gunk from cactus chips, so it's not worth being bait about importing 'ready for consumption' cactus when you can make it yourself! Cactus chips are arguably also easier to store. Here's how to make the powder: purchase the dried chips and put them in a blender. If you don't have a blender, put the chips in a bag and smash them up. When making the gunk, if you've still got lumps of cactus, you can mash up the pieces as they re-hydrate.

Chips can be purchased here: http://www.organicdyes.co.uk/peruvian-torch-cactus-trichocereus-peruvianus.php

------------------------------------------------------

Here's my recipe for cactus gunk that's surprisingly neutral in taste.

For 3 doses:
-120g dried cactus (preferably Peruvian Torch)
-2 litres orange juice
-Juice of 1/2 a lemon
-Sugar (add to taste; you'll need a lot)
-Cinnnamon (add to taste)
-Water (or more orange juice)

Heat up the orange juice in a large saucepan, add the lemon juice and cactus. Let this simmer for 45 minutes and add water as required as gunk reduces to keep it liquid, you don't want a thick gunk because that'll be difficult to swallow. Add a lot of sugar and cinnamon, the amount of sugar and cinnamon you'll need will depend on the kind of orange juice you're using and your taste buds. 100g per dose is about right for most people, but more sweetness will counteract the bitterness, take that into account.

You'll want to let the gunk cool before attempting the drink it, so put it in the fridge (or freezer if you're in a rush). Once it's cool split it into 6 and dole out 1 each between 3 of you. Drink it in one go because nursing it is like taking little sips of vomit, the texture is too similar, especially if you haven't added enough water... 45 - 75 minutes later, drink the last dose. Staggering dosing like this will reduce nausea during the come up, but it won't prevent purging later on in the trip; I found this inevitable, as do most of my associates. An empty stomach and weed also helps with the nausea during the onset. The full trip lasts around 16 hours, so strap in!

I've only used mescaline once, and it was several years ago, but I wanted to chime in and warn people not to eat 100 grams of T. peruvianus (Peruvian Torch) cactus. I believe T. pachanoi (San Pedro) has less mescaline content than peruvianus, maybe 100 grams of pachanoi would be reasonable, but that much of a good sample of peruvianus would be beyond insane.

Myself and two acquaintances ate roughly 20 grams each of dried T. peruvianus "chips." We didn't boil them down or make a tea, we just broke them up with a spoon or chewed them and slugged them down with some drinks. It was bitter and gross, but so is the tea I've heard.

Start with 20 grams and see how you feel a few hours later. Not 30 minutes later, not an hour and 15 minutes later, wait at least two hours before deciding to take more. All three of us thought the description of the com-up on mescaline provided in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was surprisingly accurate. Basically you feel perfectly normal and think it isn't working, you must have gotten ripped off. Then at the two hour mark you feel it all at once. There is no gradual progression, you're sober one moment, then 10 minutes later you're tripping balls.

20 grams had us tripping for at least 16 hours. I would hate to see someone start with 100 grams and then two hours later realize they took five times too much, knowing they were in for a terrifying two day journey. I'm sure each sample of cactus material may contain different amounts of alkaloids, but start small.

cheers for your input on this mate i wouldnt know what the recommended does would be its a whole new ball game for me.

however  remoulade has stated that this recipe is to be split between 3 people so that would be roughly 40grams each

i know what your saying tho 100 grams and youd be waking up in a fucked up room covered in all sorts just like in fear loathing

Ah yes, thats why I started this thread. I just want to buy the powder and capsule it up. just like in F&L. Not really 100% about the Escaline either...saw that on SR earlier...
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: shadrock on February 06, 2013, 08:13 pm
cheers for your input on this mate i wouldnt know what the recommended does would be its a whole new ball game for me.

however  remoulade has stated that this recipe is to be split between 3 people so that would be roughly 40grams each

i know what your saying tho 100 grams and youd be waking up in a fucked up room covered in all sorts just like in fear loathing

Oops, right you are. Poor reading comprehension on my part. So it seems 20g - 40g, depending on the cactus, will provide a good mescaline trip.
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: marimba on February 06, 2013, 08:47 pm
Optimal dosage depends on individual tolerance too. 60g of chips (no pulp, just the good outer stuff) were barely enough for me to register - a long but quite mild trip (and some headache, but that's just me with mescaline). Start low, adjust and find your sweet spot. There isn't any other way. Redosing too late means wasting product, so get it right within the first hour or so. No use to redose later than that. You will maybe have a slightly longer trip, but not a higher trip level.

I think the main difference between pure mescaline and cactus tea (or what you call it) isn't in mescaline analogues. It's in the tyramine. It acts as a MAOI and mellows out, intensifies and lengthens the trip.  So it really depends on the cactus species/variety, some of them contain more of an alkaloid cocktail including tyramine and other MAOIs (S.Pedro). Others have mostly mescaline and little else (Peru Torch, Peyote).

Happy tripping :)
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: remoulade on February 06, 2013, 09:12 pm
Nice!
If you have tried extracted mesc, did it produce same kind of trip? I ve read some extraction methods but I don't know if they re worth the trouble/risk if you get similar results.

I haven't tried extracted mescaline, no; the price is very off-putting for me, as well as, from what I've read, the experience is not the same. Whether or not this is placebo I feel is irrelevant, since the placebo effect is still very real. Indeed, I imagine my brain would prefer the idea of eating cactus vs. an anonymous powder.

@shadrock Yep, my recipe calls for 40g each, from my experience this yields a full experience each time, despite the cactus batch.

@marimba A MAOI does lengthen the trip, thanks for mentioning that! There are a few options for this, but relevant to my recipe above ... you can add a MAOI containing plant to the cactus gunk. Also, it's surely got to come down to the individual genes of each cactus, what characteristics they will have and their alkaloid profile? I'm extrapolating this from my experience cultivating San Pedro and Peruvian Torches, some San Pedros are stronger than other San Pedros in the same way that some Peruvian Torches are stronger than other Peruvian Torches, and the experience will differ from cactus to cactus, not just species to species. I guess we should also throw set / setting in this mix of experience factors when dealing with mescaline, just for good measure!
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: marimba on February 07, 2013, 03:45 pm
Yes, remoulade very true. Each plant is different! I've read (but not experimented yet) that season also matters. Harvesting your cactus after a long hot, dry spell would yield more goodies than doing it in a damp, cold period. I can personally confirm that some plants, for example hot peppers, have huge differences in (pseudo)alkaloid content even among individual fruits in the same season. However, there is a definite pattern to species/varieties, and as some pepper varieties are consistently stronger than others, the same goes with cactus, so the % content of, say, tyramine in Peyote is consistently lower than in S.Pedro or other species. But mescaline % is plenty, hehe :)

By the way, I've had a few experiences with synthetic mescaline, and for me it's very similar to Peru Torch, a bit different from S.Pedro and Bridgesii. Personally I prefer the latter, as it's milder, dreamier and more fulfilling. It might just be me, though. I never tried peyote because it's pretty, small and slow growing.
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: wwwrothy on February 08, 2013, 03:29 pm
BUT have any of you bought Mesc from a vendor on Sr? Which vendor? When? ....and a trip report?/
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: modernist on February 10, 2013, 03:55 pm
I boutght from Jurgen, Gammagoblin, Mahakala. Jurgen had sulphate, the others had HCl. All felt like real M, quite similar. Keep in mind that sulphate is less potent than HCl at equal weight. You need to check molecular weight and make a proportion, erowid has info about that.
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: wwwrothy on February 10, 2013, 05:02 pm
I boutght from Jurgen, Gammagoblin, Mahakala. Jurgen had sulphate, the others had HCl. All felt like real M, quite similar. Keep in mind that sulphate is less potent than HCl at equal weight. You need to check molecular weight and make a proportion, erowid has info about that.

Mahakala seemed like the guy for me. He says its coming around again and I just dont trust Jurgen. Just dont. With Mahakala's mesc, how long did it take to get there? Did you buy a gram? How much $$$? Doses? Effects?
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: modernist on February 10, 2013, 07:34 pm
I bought 1g from Mahakala and it cost me just under 100$, everything included. Yes, it is expensive stuff. Probably the most expensive psychedelic on a cost-per-trip basis.

Unfortunately, I need more than the usual 300-330mg HCl to have a strong experience, so I took about 450mg. But EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT! Take care if you don't want to end up locked in a very long lasting bad trip! If you have no experience with synthetic (pure) M, I think you could buy 1g and try 300mg the first time. You will feel it for sure, maybe it will even be more than enough. If you think it's not enough, next time you can go up to 400mg or so. You have to wait at least 7 days, or you will have tolerance. Redosing during the trip is a waste and experimenting is the only way to go. Start low, increase slowly until you find your optimal dose. I'm afraid this is the only way to really make sure how much you need.

Good luck...
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: wwwrothy on February 11, 2013, 12:23 am
I bought 1g from Mahakala and it cost me just under 100$, everything included. Yes, it is expensive stuff. Probably the most expensive psychedelic on a cost-per-trip basis.

Unfortunately, I need more than the usual 300-330mg HCl to have a strong experience, so I took about 450mg. But EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT! Take care if you don't want to end up locked in a very long lasting bad trip! If you have no experience with synthetic (pure) M, I think you could buy 1g and try 300mg the first time. You will feel it for sure, maybe it will even be more than enough. If you think it's not enough, next time you can go up to 400mg or so. You have to wait at least 7 days, or you will have tolerance. Redosing during the trip is a waste and experimenting is the only way to go. Start low, increase slowly until you find your optimal dose. I'm afraid this is the only way to really make sure how much you need.

Good luck...

Cool shit. So, how did you prepare the dose? Mahakala told me to just mix with water, but then I hear about people getting all types of nausea. Pot might help?

Also, so how was the trip? Could you compare it to lsd or shrooms? 2c -nBome? Tell us all about a heavy experience. I just heard they last a long time and really dont know much else...very happy? very powerful? easy to be noticed?
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: remoulade on February 11, 2013, 12:59 am
My heaviest experience on mescaline had a lot of closed eye visuals while coming up, but nothing much in the way of open eye visuals until about the 4th hour. After this I was seeing objects flying through the sky, everything was rippling and typical face distortion, etc.. At this point I was forced to pay attention to the trip the whole time, there was no going back. At around the 8th hour I purged in the woods and the mescaline warmth returned. The fact that it comes in waves makes it comparable to LSD, shrooms and 2C-B, to name a few, but I found the whole experience to be 'one', not disjointed nor confusing, like some LSD trips can be. Mescaline is erotic, intensely emotive and oh-so-pleasurable. This is why I think threshold dosing is a bad idea because you miss out on the 'magic' of mescaline; the kind of magic Huxley was influenced by.
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: wwwrothy on February 11, 2013, 01:43 am
Cool, what do you mean that you were " forced to pay attention to the trip the whole time, there was no going back"?

Is that the aspect where the trip basically takes over and makes your own "ego" a spectator? I mean I've heard of "ego-death" and I'm not 100% sure exactly what that means.

One time though, when I was into DXM (1000ug+ doses, 4th plateau) mixed with bong rips of KB, I was so dissociated that I was convinced that my inner thoughts had stopped and was 100% sure that I was dead and had moved on. As terrifying as that sounds, it was, at first. Then I accepted the fact that I had died that night and had moved on. A good 4 hours of this before I slowly came down. Went in and out of full blown dreams, etc. Very intense and scary. DXM trip are a scary voyage and you have to fight to get the best out of them or you'll be stuck in true fear, but when you comes to grips with whats going on, the trip gives you afterglow and insight like non other. I'm hoping high, clean doses of LSD can do this in a different, more beautiful way.

You have to understand DXM is extremely powerful at high doses with marijuana. Those couple early first heavy DXM+THC trips last strong for 24 hours. You couldnt walk, talk, and your eyes would pop so far out of head that even the most naive person would know instantly you were on something.

Can anyone add anything to the notion of "ego-death"?
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: modernist on February 11, 2013, 11:54 am
Cool shit. So, how did you prepare the dose? Mahakala told me to just mix with water, but then I hear about people getting all types of nausea. Pot might help?

Also, so how was the trip? Could you compare it to lsd or shrooms? 2c -nBome? Tell us all about a heavy experience. I just heard they last a long time and really dont know much else...very happy? very powerful? easy to be noticed?

I put the powder into a large gel capsule and swallowed it whole. No water. I felt very little nausea, just a little heavy pressure on the stomach, but I think such a hard stomach is unusual: most of my friends have more discomfort. Yes, pot helps with nausea, but personally I like to keep a clear head on psychedelics and don't use pot unless I feel the need. The phase when I come down is different, then I like a little weed :)

In my experience, M resembles LSD rather than shrooms. It's a little less clear-headed than L though, more mystical. Visuals are similar but different. Sleeplessness is similar, be ready not to sleep for 12-20 hours. The special point of M for me is that I feel strong unity with the world and especially with nature. Music is felt intensely, similar to L. I had interesting OEV, but not too intense. CEV are stronger. I could "see" sounds with my eyes closed, like a psychedelic music player :) Everyone reacts differenty, so don't take my words too seriously. Check the M section on erowid, you'll find plenty of info and trip reports.

I don't think M is a good choice if you are looking for instant, sure ego death. DMT is better and guaranteed to work each time if you take enough, especially changa is easier to smoke right and a little at a time until the desired level is reached.

I never had ego death with M, but I had nice trips, some lighter, only one much stronger (the 400+mg one). Next time I'll go straight to 400+mg, since I know my optimal dose now. I repeat my advice to start with low doses! 250-300mg should be enough for the first time. If you have 1g, you have enough to learn your right dosage without risking bad experiences. Even if you don't have a +++ trip on the first time, a ++ experience is quite a good starting point. The danger of overdosing is real and could totally spoil your day.
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: wwwrothy on February 11, 2013, 01:18 pm
Cool shit. So, how did you prepare the dose? Mahakala told me to just mix with water, but then I hear about people getting all types of nausea. Pot might help?

Also, so how was the trip? Could you compare it to lsd or shrooms? 2c -nBome? Tell us all about a heavy experience. I just heard they last a long time and really dont know much else...very happy? very powerful? easy to be noticed?

I put the powder into a large gel capsule and swallowed it whole. No water. I felt very little nausea, just a little heavy pressure on the stomach, but I think such a hard stomach is unusual: most of my friends have more discomfort. Yes, pot helps with nausea, but personally I like to keep a clear head on psychedelics and don't use pot unless I feel the need. The phase when I come down is different, then I like a little weed :)

In my experience, M resembles LSD rather than shrooms. It's a little less clear-headed than L though, more mystical. Visuals are similar but different. Sleeplessness is similar, be ready not to sleep for 12-20 hours. The special point of M for me is that I feel strong unity with the world and especially with nature. Music is felt intensely, similar to L. I had interesting OEV, but not too intense. CEV are stronger. I could "see" sounds with my eyes closed, like a psychedelic music player :) Everyone reacts differenty, so don't take my words too seriously. Check the M section on erowid, you'll find plenty of info and trip reports.

I don't think M is a good choice if you are looking for instant, sure ego death. DMT is better and guaranteed to work each time if you take enough, especially changa is easier to smoke right and a little at a time until the desired level is reached.

I never had ego death with M, but I had nice trips, some lighter, only one much stronger (the 400+mg one). Next time I'll go straight to 400+mg, since I know my optimal dose now. I repeat my advice to start with low doses! 250-300mg should be enough for the first time. If you have 1g, you have enough to learn your right dosage without risking bad experiences. Even if you don't have a +++ trip on the first time, a ++ experience is quite a good starting point. The danger of overdosing is real and could totally spoil your day.

Thats sweetness, so DMT is something I've tried, a buddy finally made a crystalline batch, we smoked out of an ashed 1-ft bong. Just sent me into 10-15 trances with massively mood elevated afterglow for days. I really want to breathrough. I hear its the best. I was think already BE tripping on shrooms/lsd and maybe have 100mg of the best dmt of SR loaded up, with a butane torch lighter, and pull all the smoke in a 2-3 foor chamber, then release it all and hold.

See, with DMT, its always been there for me to buy, but I've always passed bc I've never had the best way to vaporize the stuff with the right tool. And spending $50 with no break through would suck. Any advice?
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: modernist on February 11, 2013, 02:10 pm
100mg DMT? OMG, that's a LOT if properly vaped!! Websearch "The Machine". 40-50mg should be quite enough.
Try changa, you won't regret it. Easier to smoke, you can redose while tripping, it lasts longer and it's slower launch, more pleasant. Asylum has some good stuff. Check his thread, there are trip reports including mine.
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: wwwrothy on February 11, 2013, 02:33 pm
100mg DMT? OMG, that's a LOT if properly vaped!! Websearch "The Machine". 40-50mg should be quite enough.
Try changa, you won't regret it. Easier to smoke, you can redose while tripping, it lasts longer and it's slower launch, more pleasant. Asylum has some good stuff. Check his thread, there are trip reports including mine.

Doing the searches right now. Sr is slow right now, lol I have to catch it at the right times during the day. I can see it being down as I try to make all my orders... I have no idea about the dose, just want to make sure of a break through. and I have done pleanty of searches and seen pics of the "machine"...seems like something I'd fuck up making and wasting everything..
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: wwwrothy on February 12, 2013, 09:07 pm
100mg DMT? OMG, that's a LOT if properly vaped!! Websearch "The Machine". 40-50mg should be quite enough.
Try changa, you won't regret it. Easier to smoke, you can redose while tripping, it lasts longer and it's slower launch, more pleasant. Asylum has some good stuff. Check his thread, there are trip reports including mine.

The Machine:
1. take any minibar bottle
2. drill big hole thru the bottom (big enough to push pencil thru
3. get steel wash wool in your local hardware store (the one used to wash dishes)
4. take small piece and put it into the bottle neck
5. put it up side down on hard surface and push steel wool with a pencil thru the neck to compress it right next to the bottle opening

voila

poor some spice on the wool, warm it up slightly with your lighter, lie down and go for it

genious device

still wondering if I am missing something vs GVG (but that thing is SOOOOO expensive)


I mean you've basically described a stem and chorboy. This is what people in america use to smoke crack. They buy a "stem". This "stem is a little glass tube about the size of half a nice, round pencil. They call it a stem bc it has a bullshit plastic flow in it so they can sell in some gas stations.

The wire cleaning stuff is called chorboy (you know, doing chores around the house). you pack it tight in there and leave about a CM atop for the crack.

This doesnt vaporize the stuff. BUT if you say you've broken through with this method, then fuck it. :-)
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: wwwrothy on February 12, 2013, 09:09 pm
In his forum, JesusofRave, gave me this advice:


@ wwwrothy - here y'ar fella


Simple Tried & Tested Method For Smoking DMT

Equipment:
Small glass water bong 100-200ml
Packet of Steel Gauze's
TurboFlame Lighter
Tweezers

Misc:
Cigarette Ash
DMT - preferably JOR's Source B

Preparation:
Clean bong - do NOT refill with water unless you usually cannot handle smoking
Use tweezers & lighter to burn machine oil residues from 2 steel gauze's

Method:
If your bong has a glass pin pop it in the bowl
Drop 1st gauze in bowl - cut to middle of gauze to easily form a cone
Add ash to make up 2/3 of the remaining space - this is the soak bed
Add 50mg n-n DMT gently spread out across the surface
Add ash to almost fill bowl - this is the secondary flame buffer
Drop 2nd gauze on top of the mix - this is the primary flame buffer e.g. it prevents the flame making contact with DMT
Use the hot air stream from TurboFlame lighter NOT the flame to vaporize the DMT by approaching from a distance whilst gently pulling on the bong
When the white vapor starts, increase your pull on the bong and slowly diminish the distance between the lighter and the bowl - the gauze will glow and the rate of vaporization will increase
Keep pulling until the vapor ceases THEN PUT THE BONG DOWN SOMEWHERE SAFE! Then push it just a little further away!

You have a few seconds so make yourself comfortable, close your eyes and let the supplemental dose of neuro transmitters do it's best by allowing it to flood in and out without fear or fight.
Try not to be too amazed, move with it...your thoughts travel faster than the speed of light...

Next smoke is easy - you did all the work when you got on the rocket ship -  so remove the top gauze add DMT cover with ash, drop gauze back on etc..after 2nd hit ash will have consolidated and will need to be stirred carefully and the airflow checked to prevent wasting DMT. Remember to change the ash before each session to prevent surprises

For your safety and well being always consider the 'set' and 'setting' before taking/mixing psychedelic drugs. Enjoy!

DivineMomentsTrust
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: modernist on February 13, 2013, 10:58 am
IMO it's easier to break through on changa, and you don't waste precious stuff.
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: wwwrothy on February 13, 2013, 12:11 pm
check out the GlassVaporGenie.

I'm told this things with 50mg of pure DMT is a breakthrough everytime. for about $125, i'd buy a case too. Smoke the best bud with it also, synthetics, etc....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjfkSORgdo
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: modernist on February 15, 2013, 01:17 am
Making a hole in the bottle isn't easy though. Have a few spares handy.
Title: Re: MESCALINE...
Post by: RaFaeL5 on April 03, 2013, 12:35 am
nice thread with lots of useful and very practical information
thx guys

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