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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: Petrochlaor on April 18, 2012, 10:34 am
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Hey hey people,
I thought I'd make a post on here because a recent turn of events that have occurred just over the past day or so, and have left might quite disturbed.
A friend of mine used Silk Road like I did, and yesterday at around 11pm his house was raided by the police. This is UK by the way.
Specifically he was found with a lot of wraps of MDMA (his fault, honestly), and had a missing order of pills from Aakoven. I thought I'd alert people to the fact that Aakoven's packaging, from another friend's experience, is rather poor, and the fact that my friend had to have his pills resent was disturbing, though I believe a deal of that was his fault, as I believe he failed to encrypt his details.
This isn't an attack on anyone, this is simply a warning, again about how vital security is, and that although I was quite lax before (mainly a weed buyer, you see), I am now taking further steps to increase my security, as (in hindsight) I should have before. Please, fellow Roaders, this turn of events did occur and is very troubling, especially when it happens to a friend.
I wish you all safety and good-times on the Road, but the police are starting to wise-up. Specifically, they requested that my friend hand over his SR account details so that they may use it, although I don't know the name currently, as soon as I get the details I'll post them as a warning to vendors, in case they attempt to use it to make a purchase.
Again, deeply saddening and troubling events, and I suppose this is a wake up call for me, and I thought it best that I warn others of the predicament.
Regards, Petrochlaor
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Your friend sounds very very very very very lax if there was enough evidence that the Police could out any pressure on him to admit anything at all
If you actually know what you are doing, the police will leave any attempted house raid with NO EVIDENCE
Allow me to repeat: A message to the Law Enforcement authorities in my country
Come and raid my house. Now. You will find nothing. No evidence whatsoever. I will make all the Law Enforcement officers that attend the address my full co-operation in not incriminating myself, and will provide refreshments to all Officers if I am allowed to, as it could take quite some time to confirm that there is no evidence of me committing a crime.
Come tomorrow, and the next day. Any day you like. I'm ready for you.
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Oh of course, I accept that wholly. He'd ever wrapped his mandy into wraps, which was moronic of him.
I just thought I'd point out, for the billionth time, that the threat is very real. That was my point.
That was all.
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Oh of course, I accept that wholly. He'd ever wrapped his mandy into wraps, which was moronic of him.
I just thought I'd point out, for the billionth time, that the threat is very real. That was my point.
That was all.
Do you know how much MDMA he ordered all together? I think the point of the story is to never have the stuff you buy off SR laying around.
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I think knowing the amounts ordered is very important here. As well as details of the warrant.
I doubt it has anything to do with lack of encryption.
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I also know of a first hand IRL experience of a raid by federal agents done because of a raiding of aakovens packaging. Order was for 100x pills. Although I thought his packaging has been stepped up by then.
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He had 4 grams, but like I said, wrapped up into baggies.
The police officially told him the reason they got a warrant to check was because of poorly packaged pills, in this case by Aakoven. I was at first worried that he'd done poor encryption, but no, I suppose it was entirely down to poor packaging. That's really sad, to be honest.
I also know of a first hand IRL experience of a raid by federal agents done because of a raiding of aakovens packaging. Order was for 100x pills. Although I thought his packaging has been stepped up by then.
Thanks for that info, Holly :) I was hoping that someone else had experience with him. Disturbing that he's in the top 2% and that this has been a problem for someone else :/
My mate's been real cooperative, and hopefully they might ease up a bit, there was no trouble or anything.
Cheers guys, let's hope this turns out well
Update:
In fact, something else weird. My friend (for whatever reason) handed over all his Silk Road details and everything, but these cops didn't actually seem to realise what it was, and were quite amazed. So although perhaps the higher-ups know about it, the street-level guys don't seem to know/care, at least in the UK. So I suppose that's good news, at least.
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how much time was it between the order not showing and his place getting raided?
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In fact, something else weird. My friend (for whatever reason) handed over all his Silk Road details and everything, but these cops didn't actually seem to realise what it was, and were quite amazed. So although perhaps the higher-ups know about it, the street-level guys don't seem to know/care, at least in the UK. So I suppose that's good news, at least.
Not good news now, they have been enlightened and you can rest assured the word will spread.
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Update:
In fact, something else weird. My friend (for whatever reason) handed over all his Silk Road details and everything, but these cops didn't actually seem to realise what it was, and were quite amazed. So although perhaps the higher-ups know about it, the street-level guys don't seem to know/care, at least in the UK. So I suppose that's good news, at least.
Really? I don't even know what to say. So I'll say nothing.
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With all due repsect to your friend's privacy, any chance you can post the username here since the cops have it now?
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hjzuniuujujhzg
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So correct my logic if it's wrong but, as long as packages keep showing up with the contents inside them, you should have very little to worry about. Everyone always says the biggest mistake happens in the shipping process. Oh, and don't order from the fucking netherlands!
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Thats sucks. Can you elaborate what is meant by "poor packaging"?
I recieved a delivery recently, in a bubble envelope that sounded like pills in a blister when rattled, and with no return address - should I be worried?
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After reading the tfm indictment I don't think you can rely on the "shipment made it through" method any more. I think everyone, buyers and sellers, need to put on their James bond caps, keep a clean house, and become even healthier. Jmo
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After reading the tfm indictment I don't think you can rely on the "shipment made it through" method any more. I think everyone, buyers and sellers, need to put on their James bond caps, keep a clean house, and become even healthier. Jmo
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there just a shit ton more corroborating evidence in the indictment than just the suspect packages themselves?
I don't see how a package making it safely to it's destination, when it is the sole piece of evidence, and without anything else to corroborate it, can possibly be used in court unless some reasonable chain of custody is maintained.
Obtaining a warrant for a search is one thing. Convicting in court when there is no evidence found is quite another.
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With no disrespect to the OP, why is it that every time someone posts a thread here about a friend or themselves getting busted it always sounds so unbelievable...??
There never seems to be any logical reason as to why....
Is it simply denial and wishful thinking on my part? ;)
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Buddy first thing is if the cops said they caught him cause of poor packaging then rest assured they popped him for a different reason. The only thing you can be certain of is whatever COPS ADMIT TO as far as how they caught you is a LIE. They are like poker players if they give you any hint at all on purpose what their hand is they are doing it for a reason trying to be deceptive. I am a new member on Silk and currently waiting for support to reset my pin. I forgot it. bah! What i get for trying to remember something with my brain. haha. anyways yeah I feel lucky to be a part of the community and its probably going to be a game of hot potato or when you run around the chairs till someone yells and everyone sits down real fast and one person is left out. its going to get to where this place or a site like it will be restricted to known and current members only the bigger something gets and gains notoriety when its for goods like this its just a matter of time before it disappears and the government shuts it down so there might come a time where the powers to be here make this a closed society. So I look forward to getting to know some venders and having a healthy and trusting (though no matter how much we like and or get along with someone here trust should go only so far) business relationship. if and when its ever restricted to current members only it may cut profits for venders but greed is what causes most peoples down fall and for us users we should be happy and thankfull same as the venders and none of us keep wanting more and more.
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If they have indeed managed to compromise TOR, I can assure you they wouldn't tip their hand. They can't expect everyone they would arrest to plea out, one case will make it in front of the magistrate. Then TOR would be publicly revealed as compromised.... They won't do that. This seems to be good old fashioned gum shoe police work by the Natl bobbies.
Sorry about your mate
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If they have indeed managed to compromise TOR, I can assure you they wouldn't tip their hand. They can't expect everyone they would arrest to plea out, one case will make it in front of the magistrate. Then TOR would be publicly revealed as compromised.... They won't do that. This seems to be good old fashioned gum shoe police work by the Natl bobbies.
Sorry about your mate
Actually there's an interview with one of the lead Tor developers in Wisconsin talking about how he'd never compromise his own software. The US government also relies on Tor to talk to dissidents in China, Russia, Syria and other places. It's in their best interest not to compromise it... I'm sure the NSA could give 2 flying fucks about this site. They would never assist the DEA in destroying their bulletproof anonymity network for spies and dissidents just to take down petty drug dealing.
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If they have indeed managed to compromise TOR, I can assure you they wouldn't tip their hand. They can't expect everyone they would arrest to plea out, one case will make it in front of the magistrate. Then TOR would be publicly revealed as compromised.... They won't do that. This seems to be good old fashioned gum shoe police work by the Natl bobbies.
Sorry about your mate
Actually there's an interview with one of the lead Tor developers in Wisconsin talking about how he'd never compromise his own software. The US government also relies on Tor to talk to dissidents in China, Russia, Syria and other places. It's in their best interest not to compromise it... I'm sure the NSA could give 2 flying fucks about this site. They would never assist the DEA in destroying their bulletproof anonymity network for spies and dissidents just to take down petty drug dealing.
Yup. NSA can already pwn Tor, but for once it is true to say that they don't give a fuck about us.
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shiznit I couldn't agree more. No disrespect to the OP but the story seems off and when it is it makes people wonder. Cause either you are telling a tall tale or or your motives are untrustworthy to say the least.
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After reading the tfm indictment I don't think you can rely on the "shipment made it through" method any more. I think everyone, buyers and sellers, need to put on their James bond caps, keep a clean house, and become even healthier. Jmo
It doesn't ever hurt to do any of your suggestions, but I'm thinking that if they intercept a package they wouldn't just hand you the contraband and give you time to move it to another place. Sit on it for a few hours at the least after you receive it. And if you are receiving from a domestic vendor and the package takes quite a bit longer to reach your place, that should raise a red flag as it might mean they did obtain a search warrant or something. Say if something ships Priority in the USA and takes a week then you should worry I think. I don't think they are going to let you keep getting package after package and try to prove that you received them when they don't bust you for it right away. But yes, we all need to be careful, ALL THE TIME. Taking my own advice at this time. Always be safe.
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no idea if this is true or not but best of luck to your friend :)
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This whole story, if true, actually just goes to show how unlikely you are to be arrested for buying from the Silk Road. Let's look at the number of factors that had to go against your friend.
1) He purchased from the Netherlands. Already he's making a big mistake. The Netherlands are an automatic red alert to customs officials. Do not buy from there! You don't necessarily have to buy domestic every time, but you better be Dutch if you're ordering from them.
2) The packaging was apparently bad. The package was probably marked as suspicious because it was from the Netherlands, and it took a very simple search to discover the pills. This one is on the vendor. Make sure you deal with vendors that know how to package properly!
3) Your friend had drugs lying around his place. This is so, so stupid. Ladies and gentlemen, you do not have drugs lying out in the open in your house. Ever. You have a stash secluded somewhere that LE wouldn't think to look. It's unlikely enough that you'll be visited, but you're really not doing yourself any favors if when they show up they have all the evidence right in front of them.
4) He immediately spilled the beans about the Silk Road when questioned. What a foolish move. Do not say a WORD to the police! You have the right to remain silent. Use it! Don't talk to anyone except a lawyer! Why would you confess so easily like that?
So would you look at that, 4 dumb things had to occur simultaneously for this bust to happen. Don't let these happen to you and you can travel the Road successfully like the rest of us. Don't get cocky about your security. If you make it easy for LE to get you, they will. It's not rocket science people.
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wtf. OP your posts dont make sense. in your first post you said
I wish you all safety and good-times on the Road, but the police are starting to wise-up. Specifically, they requested that my friend hand over his SR account details so that they may use it, although I don't know the name currently, as soon as I get the details I'll post them as a warning to vendors, in case they attempt to use it to make a purchase.
then in your second post you say
In fact, something else weird. My friend (for whatever reason) handed over all his Silk Road details and everything, but these cops didn't actually seem to realise what it was, and were quite amazed. So although perhaps the higher-ups know about it, the street-level guys don't seem to know/care, at least in the UK. So I suppose that's good news, at least.
so during the raid the cops asked for his SR details (indicating he was using SR, and they had knowledge of this... he then handed his details over to the pigs, but as per your second post you say they had no idea about SR, and were quite amazed about it....
my question is, are the cops that stupid they will ask your mate for his SR details, then when he gives them, they play dumb and pretend not to know about SR?
pfffffffffft
Sorry buddy, I should of phrased it better. At the time was probably still a tad angry, you know?
Right, so situation was they came into his house, he just owned up to everything, including SR. They didn't inquire, they weren't there for that, they were there for their warrant to search for drugs.
He told them all about silk road, and then they asked him to hand over the details. They never once mentioned SR before he mentioned it. So he was trying to avoid trouble, I guess. But he's told me that looking back he wished he hadn't mentioned it, feels a bit of a dick.
Didn't mean for any confusion, was a bit unclear I admit. Feel free to ask whatever, and I'll answer if I can.
Right now he's on bail, and yes, most of the problem was his own (leaving wrapped mdma around, for example), but he didn't expect to get caught, because he didn't expect a top seller's packaging to be so poor. I'm not paranoid, and I think the police were being honest about the whole situation, and that they literally were just following up an intercepted drug shipment, for whatever reason (maybe other dealers nearby had done similar things? I don't know).
But yeah, hope that clears some things up.
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After reading the tfm indictment I don't think you can rely on the "shipment made it through" method any more. I think everyone, buyers and sellers, need to put on their James bond caps, keep a clean house, and become even healthier. Jmo
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there just a shit ton more corroborating evidence in the indictment than just the suspect packages themselves?
I don't see how a package making it safely to it's destination, when it is the sole piece of evidence, and without anything else to corroborate it, can possibly be used in court unless some reasonable chain of custody is maintained.
Obtaining a warrant for a search is one thing. Convicting in court when there is no evidence found is quite another.
Yes, that is what I was getting at in my own ham fisted way.
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Can we get details of the quantity ordered?
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He had 4 grams, but like I said, wrapped up into baggies.
Has he been cautioned or is this going to court?
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OP: Your friend is a fucking retarded asshole and I wouldn't even associate with him if I was you. How old is your friend? He sounds extremely stupid and immature. If he gave up that information so easily, why would he not give up information about you or anyone else?
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Can we get details of the quantity ordered?
It was five pills, that's what they intercepted at customs, due to the poor packaging.
He had 4 grams, but like I said, wrapped up into baggies.
Has he been cautioned or is this going to court?
I believe he is going to court, mate. Precisely why he basically tried to own up to everything as soon as he could, really. Handed in his drugs, etc.
OP: Your friend is a fucking retarded asshole and I wouldn't even associate with him if I was you. How old is your friend? He sounds extremely stupid and immature. If he gave up that information so easily, why would he not give up information about you or anyone else?
Well, I presume the key word there is friend, and that I'm nothing to do with his drug purchasing, am I? He handed in stuff that could've been held against him instead of being resistant. Now I don't know, but at the time, that seemed best to him. Yes, there are a hundred other ways it could've gone, but people make mistakes. You sound like a very angry person, and he's most certainly not an asshole. He just slipped up. Not his fault there was bad packaging, was his fault that he'd left his MDMA around. But well, live and learn.
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I'd alert people to the fact that Aakoven's packaging, from another friend's experience, is rather poor
Fucking Bullshit! 10+ orders into Australia and his packaging is perfect. Don't dribble shit because mate I question your integrity given this on bullshit line of yours!
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This whole story, if true, actually just goes to show how unlikely you are to be arrested for buying from the Silk Road. Let's look at the number of factors that had to go against your friend.
1) He purchased from the Netherlands. Already he's making a big mistake. The Netherlands are an automatic red alert to customs officials. Do not buy from there! You don't necessarily have to buy domestic every time, but you better be Dutch if you're ordering from them.
2) The packaging was apparently bad. The package was probably marked as suspicious because it was from the Netherlands, and it took a very simple search to discover the pills. This one is on the vendor. Make sure you deal with vendors that know how to package properly!
3) Your friend had drugs lying around his place. This is so, so stupid. Ladies and gentlemen, you do not have drugs lying out in the open in your house. Ever. You have a stash secluded somewhere that LE wouldn't think to look. It's unlikely enough that you'll be visited, but you're really not doing yourself any favors if when they show up they have all the evidence right in front of them.
4) He immediately spilled the beans about the Silk Road when questioned. What a foolish move. Do not say a WORD to the police! You have the right to remain silent. Use it! Don't talk to anyone except a lawyer! Why would you confess so easily like that?
So would you look at that, 4 dumb things had to occur simultaneously for this bust to happen. Don't let these happen to you and you can travel the Road successfully like the rest of us. Don't get cocky about your security. If you make it easy for LE to get you, they will. It's not rocket science people.
Also, to add on to #3, he had his drugs separated into different baggies. This gives the police reason to suspect intent to distribute. I'm sure the police had their eye on your friend for awhile, I don't think they would waste their time getting a warrant on a house that's received 4 pills in the mail
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Also, to add on to #3, he had his drugs separated into different baggies. This gives the police reason to suspect intent to distribute. I'm sure the police had their eye on your friend for awhile, I don't think they would waste their time getting a warrant on a house that's received 4 pills in the mail
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The fact that he was likely already selling MDMA (had 4g separated) can be a significant factor in this case. If the cops were already onto him for dealing, this package could have just enforced other evidence or suspicion they may have had on him, leading to the warrant.
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Please tell me this is BS, it has to be a lame attempt at ruining the guy's business. 5 pills stopped at customs is not going to get your door put through, it's a love letter at best.
If this is genuine your friend is seriously retarded! He gave up all that info just like that? Why? C'mon no one is that dumb are they?
If he did get a knock it would of been down to local info about him dealing from his residence, surely? There would have had to be surveillanve to obtain the warrant. Does he have previous convictions?
I really hope this is bullshit, it doesn't seem to add up.
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I'd alert people to the fact that Aakoven's packaging, from another friend's experience, is rather poor
Fucking Bullshit! 10+ orders into Australia and his packaging is perfect. Don't dribble shit because mate I question your integrity given this on bullshit line of yours!
Feel free to. I'm only reporting what I've seen. You may have had good luck, but well, my friend hasn't. So don't call bullshit on things that you aren't exactly 100% knowledgeable on, please.
This whole story, if true, actually just goes to show how unlikely you are to be arrested for buying from the Silk Road. Let's look at the number of factors that had to go against your friend.
1) He purchased from the Netherlands. Already he's making a big mistake. The Netherlands are an automatic red alert to customs officials. Do not buy from there! You don't necessarily have to buy domestic every time, but you better be Dutch if you're ordering from them.
2) The packaging was apparently bad. The package was probably marked as suspicious because it was from the Netherlands, and it took a very simple search to discover the pills. This one is on the vendor. Make sure you deal with vendors that know how to package properly!
3) Your friend had drugs lying around his place. This is so, so stupid. Ladies and gentlemen, you do not have drugs lying out in the open in your house. Ever. You have a stash secluded somewhere that LE wouldn't think to look. It's unlikely enough that you'll be visited, but you're really not doing yourself any favors if when they show up they have all the evidence right in front of them.
4) He immediately spilled the beans about the Silk Road when questioned. What a foolish move. Do not say a WORD to the police! You have the right to remain silent. Use it! Don't talk to anyone except a lawyer! Why would you confess so easily like that?
So would you look at that, 4 dumb things had to occur simultaneously for this bust to happen. Don't let these happen to you and you can travel the Road successfully like the rest of us. Don't get cocky about your security. If you make it easy for LE to get you, they will. It's not rocket science people.
Also, to add on to #3, he had his drugs separated into different baggies. This gives the police reason to suspect intent to distribute. I'm sure the police had their eye on your friend for awhile, I don't think they would waste their time getting a warrant on a house that's received 4 pills in the mail
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Nah, my mate only sold mandy to friends, and only in the past week, when a shipment from another SR seller arrived. I don't think the police were after him for starting to sell to friends within a week. I'll stick by the story, as it's all I've heard. This was only me telling it how it was, Class A's get treated with a lot of concern in this country, and I've had other friends taken in by police for having small personal amounts.
Also, to add on to #3, he had his drugs separated into different baggies. This gives the police reason to suspect intent to distribute. I'm sure the police had their eye on your friend for awhile, I don't think they would waste their time getting a warrant on a house that's received 4 pills in the mail
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The fact that he was likely already selling MDMA (had 4g separated) can be a significant factor in this case. If the cops were already onto him for dealing, this package could have just enforced other evidence or suspicion they may have had on him, leading to the warrant.
As I stated above, the dealing was a recent addition. But yes, you're right, the 4g separated was a stupid move on his part. But no, the cops had no knowledge that I can reasonably understand previous to the interception at customs.
Please tell me this is BS, it has to be a lame attempt at ruining the guy's business. 5 pills stopped at customs is not going to get your door put through, it's a love letter at best.
If this is genuine your friend is seriously retarded! He gave up all that info just like that? Why? C'mon no one is that dumb are they?
If he did get a knock it would of been down to local info about him dealing from his residence, surely? There would have had to be surveillanve to obtain the warrant. Does he have previous convictions?
I really hope this is bullshit, it doesn't seem to add up.
I'd rather Aakoven's packaging improve, not shut down business. Another friend bought some of his mandy and said it was amazing, despite it being also poorly packaged. I have no ulterior motives, just reporting a turn of events that I thought might interest some. It's good to see that the same 'hive-mind' that exists IRL exists on here, with people calling bullshit for loyalty reasons that I'm not concerned with.
I'll answer anymore legitimate questions or discussion in PM's, if you want to talk. I'm a bit bored of being accused of a liar because people don't like what they hear. But ah well.
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How old are you and your 'friends'? Maybe you shouldn't be here at all, reading your posts it seems you all have a habit of getting caught. Voluntarily handing over all his account details and giving the plod a guided tour of this place? Really? Im honestly lost for words at that. What did you say earlier in the thread? It's good news that the pigs had no idea about this place? Haha yep great news
What's your friends account name? You need to let the community know. I mean you have publicly named the vendor, which now puts vendor and customers at risk, why not your 'friend'?
I had 50 pills stopped at customs last year and the police didn't follow up, to get a warrant over 5 they must have been having a slow week. I think there's more to this than your telling us or like many have said it's a tall tale.
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LOL, if it smell like Bs..en it look like bs...
U tell me they came for 5 pills to his house the , popo .
DID the pope say we find ,All these pills off poor packing .
En not because , they had en eye on him..
If my packing was so bad how come i ship 250 /500 pills every day en never lost 1 to the uk.!
This Gangster ordered 5 HOLE pills..WOW.
take your pick..he write in every section off the forum,. LE..a customer , i did not re fund 100 %..enz....mebe he is from russia...these are my biggest Fans..... :-*
AA :o
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LOL, if it smell like Bs..en it look like bs...
U tell me they came for 5 pills to his house the , popo .
DID the pope say we find ,All these pills off poor packing .
En not because , they had en eye on him..
If my packing was so bad how come i ship 250 /500 pills every day en never lost 1 to the uk.!
This Gangster ordered 5 HOLE pills..WOW.
take your pick..he write in every section off the forum,. LE..a customer , i did not re fund 100 %..enz....mebe he is from russia...these are my biggest Fans..... :-*
AA :o
You're right, it seems unlikely that they'd get him for the packaging and not because he was already being watched. (and even more unlikely that they would tell you that fact).. but loads of people are saying that you have poor packaging. So there must be an element of truth to it
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It is so frustrating with aakoven because he has great product, but he is too lazy and a liability. He won't use encryption properly and his packs are seriously shoddy these days. I understand he is busy but personally I would rather wait a little longer for a well packaged delivery than have a piece of shit rushed out to me. It's only a matter of time before this causes someone a serious problem. It would be nice to see him come on here and give some assurance that he is going to step up his game.
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Do you know what the time frame of the package being seized to the raid was?
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if OP is leo, this would be an excellent way to get people to pipe up that they had ordered from AA, giving them another angle to work from
also, doesn't this seem like a newbie blatantly trying to increase post stats?:
hjzuniuujujhzg
(i know i'm a newbie myself... long time forum lurker though :D)
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How old are you and your 'friends'? Maybe you shouldn't be here at all, reading your posts it seems you all have a habit of getting caught. Voluntarily handing over all his account details and giving the plod a guided tour of this place? Really? Im honestly lost for words at that. What did you say earlier in the thread? It's good news that the pigs had no idea about this place? Haha yep great news
What's your friends account name? You need to let the community know. I mean you have publicly named the vendor, which now puts vendor and customers at risk, why not your 'friend'?
I had 50 pills stopped at customs last year and the police didn't follow up, to get a warrant over 5 they must have been having a slow week. I think there's more to this than your telling us or like many have said it's a tall tale.
We're in our early 20s, actually. I've not been caught, nor will I. But my friend was. He handed his details over because he thought it might save his hide. I don't know how you'd react in the same situation, but surely trying to cooperate and minimise any risk to your self, no? I mean, maybe you're too cool for that. But he thought it was good in the heat of the moment, I don't blame him, and I don't think it will change much. His user name was lostpuppy, if that helps at all. I don't know if the cops will use it, but yes, fair enough for you to do that. His order was for five pills, they didn't come through, he contacted Aakoven, asked for a refund, and the three pills refunded came a day or two after the raid. I don't see how it can be so hard to believe, I mean, these are Class A's, it's not weed, you don't get a tap on the wrist even on the street. I don't know, maybe it's a trend around my parts?
LOL, if it smell like Bs..en it look like bs...
U tell me they came for 5 pills to his house the , popo .
DID the pope say we find ,All these pills off poor packing .
En not because , they had en eye on him..
If my packing was so bad how come i ship 250 /500 pills every day en never lost 1 to the uk.!
This Gangster ordered 5 HOLE pills..WOW.
take your pick..he write in every section off the forum,. LE..a customer , i did not re fund 100 %..enz....mebe he is from russia...these are my biggest Fans..... :-*
AA :o
Like I said above, he ordered five pills, asked you for a refund after 14 days, and then you sent three more. I don't see why it's hard to believe, I mean, I've heard now from multiple people about your packaging. Why not just improve it? I have no vendetta, I just don't think it's fair to put your customers at risk, all out of laziness or financial benefit, who knows? I'm not LE, this account is the same name as my buyer's account, and I'm sure the vendors I've interacted with can vouch for me being a legitimate customer.
Isn't it possible that something HAS gone wrong, instead of just pretending like everything is perfect, when it quite obviously isn't?
i would have thought a more likely reason for the pigs to raid your mate is they got a tip off from someone else about him selling mdma, if your saying he had 4grams mdma lying around ready for sale to the lads? perhaps he pissed someone off, cops start watching him seeing what level dealer he is... perhaps even watch his mail? then picked up the pills that way....
as i dont think we have all the facts, who the fuck knows whats going on ::)
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i feel ya mate, i completely understand the heat of the moment posts, and the need to be vague, as to not give the cops anything else..
can i ask, were any electronics seized before / after the raid, before/after giving over SR details?
if so, i guess they knew about SR and trying to tie that into the case on him.
if not, lucky..
It's possible, yeah. But I wouldn't have a clue who. He'd only just started selling some stuff, and I don't think anyone particularly disliked him. But again, always a possibility, however grim.
And as for electronics, they took his phone, which admittedly had incriminating texts (offering mates to buy mandy, for example) and his laptop, which had SR on it. But not his details, I don't think. Silly, I know, but I don't think he expected to get bust, because previously we'd experienced a lot of good packaging and so forth. Like I said, he opened up about silk road, and explained it when they interviewed him at the station - all him trying to protect himself I think, sadly. Hope that helps.
Do you know what the time frame of the package being seized to the raid was?
Basically...he ordered it on the 4th of April, he says the interception was on the 11th of April, and they came to arrest him on the 18th. That help at all?
if OP is leo, this would be an excellent way to get people to pipe up that they had ordered from AA, giving them another angle to work from
also, doesn't this seem like a newbie blatantly trying to increase post stats?:
(i know i'm a newbie myself... long time forum lurker though :D)
I don't personally see how, as these accounts don't connect to our real world selves (or shouldn't), so LE can't really connect the dots too much. Furthermore, I've been a lurker like you, just had little need to post really until recently, it may seem suspicious to you, but like you say, you lurked, so did I. This is just an issue that I didn't want to let slide. I mean, this could happen to anyone, and I'd rather speak up and take shit than be silent and have the problem continue. Is that okay?
Hope all of this helps answer some questions, guys.
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the part about the post stats was in reference to the post by user "12345" that was just complete gibberish, not you OP
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We're in our early 20s, actually. I've not been caught, nor will I. But my friend was. He handed his details over because he thought it might save his hide. I don't know how you'd react in the same situation, but surely trying to cooperate and minimise any risk to your self, no? I mean, maybe you're too cool for that. But he thought it was good in the heat of the moment, I don't blame him, and I don't think it will change much. His user name was lostpuppy, if that helps at all. I don't know if the cops will use it, but yes, fair enough for you to do that. His order was for five pills, they didn't come through, he contacted Aakoven, asked for a refund, and the three pills refunded came a day or two after the raid. I don't see how it can be so hard to believe, I mean, these are Class A's, it's not weed, you don't get a tap on the wrist even on the street. I don't know, maybe it's a trend around my parts?
I don't know where to start, well first off, what an apt username your friend has. Not a clue really has he?
If a package is stopped, don't for god's sake get a reship sent to the same address, not wise at all.
You don't blame him? So you would of handled the situation exactly the same then? He should of kept his mouth shut, it's really just as simple as that. To hand over infomation about this place so freely like that, especially when the law had no idea about it, that's just unbelievable. You get caught you take it like a man, you don't cry like a baby. What, did he think churning out infomation about SR would get him a lighter scentence? He got caught with a few pills not 10K! Naive kids that think it's just a game, then shit themselves when they get a wake up call.
Your just as bad starting this thread. By all means alert people to the vendors bad packaging so he takes action and improves it, but to publicly highlight these events and name the vendor? Not really a smart move is it? Considering the pigs who nicked him will no doubt be reading all this.
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I don't know where to start, well first off, what an apt username your friend has. Not a clue really has he?
If a package is stopped, don't for god's sake get a reship sent to the same address, not wise at all.
You don't blame him? So you would of handled the situation exactly the same then? He should of kept his mouth shut, it's really just as simple as that. To hand over infomation about this place so freely like that, especially when the law had no idea about it, that's just unbelievable. You get caught you take it like a man, you don't cry like a baby. What, did he think churning out infomation about SR would get him a lighter scentence? He got caught with a few pills not 10K! Naive kids that think it's just a game, then shit themselves when they get a wake up call.
Your just as bad starting this thread. By all means alert people to the vendors bad packaging so he takes action and improves it, but to publicly highlight these events and name the vendor? Not really a smart move is it? Considering the pigs who nicked him will no doubt be reading all this.
Incidentally, he assumed the package was lost. And as I recall, many people offer to resend as a refund, but I suppose that idea never crossed your aggravated mind, no? I don't see where all this anger comes from, Jesus Christ. Is it the paranoia setting in, mate?
Fact is, as much as he shouldn't of done what he did, nobody wants a life ruined, and will try to avoid it. Are you saying that you're willing to sacrifice your own well-being for SR? Even if the cops in the UK now know (I don't doubt that they didn't before, just smaller scale cops didn't) then why does it make any difference? You know his account name, and you know to avoid that buyer. See? Not to mention, I'll reiterate, cops could easily have just made an account, it isn't rocket-science. He himself has told me that he feels stupid for having done it, but it was spur of the moment.
No need to really keep complaining, it can't be changed now. Lessons can only be learned from past experience, no?
I have a feeling you're just one of AA's defenders, seeing as you've made a new account just to speak against me. Cheers for that mate. Honestly I don't see the point of having a forums to speak out about issues that have occurred to warn others if I'm just going to take stick from some self-righteous paranoid aggressive types. Jesus. Calm yourself.
Peace
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I'd alert people to the fact that Aakoven's packaging, from another friend's experience, is rather poor
Fucking Bullshit! 10+ orders into Australia and his packaging is perfect. Don't dribble shit because mate I question your integrity given this on bullshit line of yours!
His packaging is not perfect. Anyone who opens the damned mail would see what it is immediately. We've had UK orders not turn up from him too worryingly enough, though this was earlier in the year. A reship got through OK, although we never purchased from him again after that point. Far too risky. Nice enough vendor, but we're talking about a Class A substance here. You're looking at some really hard legal issues if you're caught.
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But petrochlaor, your an ' anarchist ' and a ' freedom fighter ' surely you would throw yourself on the sword for your fellow silk roaders? Fight the system brother, FIGHT THE SYSTEM!!
Pffffft too many holes in your story. No doubt something went down but not as described, for a tiny order like that customs would have sent you a letter FACT. More likely the OP had a badly packaged delivery arrive and got paranoid his mom might have opened it.
If the vendor is reading this though, SORT IT OUT YOUR PACKS ARE REALLY BAD! You need to be more professional and take more care you will lose many customers over this.
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A small amount like this would get a customs letter if it was stopped at customs, but if it was detected after customs the post office call the police. Different police forces have different priorities but I know a guy got busted in Cornwall because a package (not from SR) got damaged, drugs were found (amphet, i think 1/4oz), and the police got a warrant on the strength of it. His house was clean and he wasn't charged with anything but it still shows the police can get a warrant for small amounts.
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Very true, I made the assumtion of customs, but it is possible that the letter was discovered at the local sorting office or by the postman, which in turn would lead to the local force being involved.
Unfortunate for the guy if this thread is legitimate, do not want to see anyone on here facing a situation like this. People should learn from this, stay calm and silent offering a confession will do you no good whatsoever.
A link to a thread started today that we should all read, it concerns US law but much of it is applicable to the UK :-
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=20209.0
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But petrochlaor, your an ' anarchist ' and a ' freedom fighter ' surely you would throw yourself on the sword for your fellow silk roaders? Fight the system brother, FIGHT THE SYSTEM!!
Pffffft too many holes in your story. No doubt something went down but not as described, for a tiny order like that customs would have sent you a letter FACT. More likely the OP had a badly packaged delivery arrive and got paranoid his mom might have opened it.
If the vendor is reading this though, SORT IT OUT YOUR PACKS ARE REALLY BAD! You need to be more professional and take more care you will lose many customers over this.
Oh of course my friend, but...I don't ever plan on mentioning the Road in the first place should that situation arrive, as far as I'm concerned, a friend from Amsterdam sends me my drugs, hahah.
It's as I described, whether you want to accept that. He said it was customs that intercepted, but I may be wrong, as may he, and it may have instead been something like that. His mum doesn't open his packages, in fact he doesn't live with his parents. So...yeah.
And yes, you're correct. He needs to up his game, sad to see this having had occurred, really :/
A small amount like this would get a customs letter if it was stopped at customs, but if it was detected after customs the post office call the police. Different police forces have different priorities but I know a guy got busted in Cornwall because a package (not from SR) got damaged, drugs were found (amphet, i think 1/4oz), and the police got a warrant on the strength of it. His house was clean and he wasn't charged with anything but it still shows the police can get a warrant for small amounts.
Yeah, my friend said customs, but he may have been wrong. But yes, they can be stupid about small amounts, sadly, and I keep a clean house too, just for those reasons, though I don't exactly want the police to waltz on over and mess up the place, anyway.
Lol this is the most insane thing ive ever heard of in the uk, i know of multiple people that i dont associate with that have been caught and even one setup with an oz of cocaine and another found with scales, baggies and half oz of mandy on them and all of them got off the hook, also know of people getting caught with class as and below on them for personal use and the police just take them and let them go not one even taken to the station. Maybe its where you live but this all seems crazy.
Our drug laws are the worst in Europe, sadly. It does appear to vary a lot, as you say. I think it must be down to whether the police really feel like following up, or whether it gets them 'brownie points' if you know what I mean. Ah well. Let's just hope events like this occur as little as possible.
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Petrochloar - Can you get a copy of your mates Search Warrant. Delete out his personal info but leave on the date of the search and then post a photo of it in here to prove your story.
Without it, there will always be doubters.
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Are you kidding me? when are people going to learn not to talk to cops. This kid thought there was no harm telling them about sr and maybe they would take it easy on him in exchange for the info. But the TRUTH is not only will the police not take it easy on you, it is not even there call, it is the prosecutors decision to what you are charged with. On top of this you tell them all about sr and probably without any thought that you ordered from the Netherlands. Well guess what you just incriminated yourself for another very severe charge in most countries, and that is the receiving of drugs trafficked from OTHER nations. This charge can give you more jail time then the charge for the actual drugs themselves in most cases!!!!
Never talk to police!!!!(PS in the United States information you state supporting your innocence when arrested is legally not admissible in court, in other words it cant help you)(PS im a criminal justice major lol, lots of my teachers have been cops, they frequently laugh really hard when they talk about how often people do not use there right to be silent, there such d bags)
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keep a clean tidy house, then if a package gets tracked back to you, simply deny all knowledge. dont store sr login information on your pc, use an encrypted usb stick
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Petrochloar - Can you get a copy of your mates Search Warrant. Delete out his personal info but leave on the date of the search and then post a photo of it in here to prove your story.
Without it, there will always be doubters.
PLEASE don't do this, linking this thread to that would not help matters. There is way too much info publicly posted on these forums these days, unfortunately something that helps the community can also damage it.
People talk freely about how they move thier money, how they pack there goods etc etc It's just too much at times, a dream for LE
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Anyone ever post up a newbie glossary? What's LE mean? :o
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Petrochloar - Can you get a copy of your mates Search Warrant. Delete out his personal info but leave on the date of the search and then post a photo of it in here to prove your story.
Without it, there will always be doubters.
My thoughts exact;y. Too many specifics, maybe tone it down a notch.
PLEASE don't do this, linking this thread to that would not help matters. There is way too much info publicly posted on these forums these days, unfortunately something that helps the community can also damage it.
People talk freely about how they move thier money, how they pack there goods etc etc It's just too much at times, a dream for LE
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Anyone ever post up a newbie glossary? What's LE mean? :o
LE = Law Enforcement
LEO = Law Enforcement Official
CD = Controlled Delivery
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cheers berndi :)