Silk Road forums
Support => Feature requests => Topic started by: klaw239 on May 17, 2012, 05:08 am
-
Hello all. I was reading in another thread earlier about some policy changes that may or may not happen as far as vendors go. I personally am not a vendor. Not yet anyways but am considering it but with that said I am for anything that makes the community better and keeps all of us more safe and more secure. As far as im concerned being safe and our freedom has no price that is too high
First let me say I am thankful to even be here and for being able to sign up. I feel it is a privilege and as with any privilege it should not be taken for granted or abused. We all know there are some who do abuse it and take advantage of being a member just to rip honest good people off. With new members signing on everyday we never know who is or who is not or maybe be a LEO or here to just scam. This is just an idea I was tossing around in my head as to making us safer and keeping LEO's and crooks/dishonest vendors out of our little home here.
As far as the LEOs go I guess there is not anyway to know who is and who is not so no policy can keep them out for sure but this can limit it and cut it down big time and as far as the vendors here to just rip people off this too will prevent them from just creating a new account and doing it over and over again. At least it will prevent it as often and put a large gap of time in their ability to do so.
What does everyone think about cutting the ability to become a member to say 20 new members every 6 months. If a scam artist gets banned he can't sign up again for 6 months. At least after that 20 new member quota is hit. After 20 new members signs up say in may no one else can sign up till Nov. If a LEO wants to try and become a member if he is not in that 20 group in may he/she is going to have to wait 6 months to get on here. I know such a thing would cut sales down and cost people some money and cost new products from being posted but we all know greed is the number one reason why most people that live this lifestyle is caught. When is enough profit enough to say ok I am going to cap it here even though I can make a lot more with a lot more new customers just to add some peace of mind and cut down my chances of getting caught and going to jail.
From all I have read in the forums scams are not a very common thing and many people allow themselves to get ripped off cause of Finalizing early but I just thought this might cut it down a whole lot more. I almost felt guilty thinking about this idea cause I was able to sign up so a part of me felt like everyone else should do but I guess it comes down to not worrying about who is not yet a member of the silk road family and worrying about those of us who are and what we can do to keep us more safe and future members more safe. If for what ever this idea is foolish and has some huge reason why it is not possible that I am unaware of or not thought about I do apologize for making such a long post and wasting everyone's time.
Sorry for the poor grammar and sentence structure.
-
Keeping the number of new vendors at 20/6months would be too limiting i think. The number of vendors giving up business probably is already higher, so the choice of vendors would decrease quite rapidly, making this place less attractive. It would also not address the already existing vendors with evil intentions.
-
I do not refer to just vendors only but to just new members period. 20 every 6 months. Sure it will not grow in terms of product availability and competitive pricing but like I said when is enough enough and the powers to be start thinking about locking the place down and keeping it as safe and secure as possible instead of focusing on the bottom line?
Just my two cents.
-
Considering DPR makes commission from the sales, I doubt this idea would sit well with him.
I say the more vendors the merrier, but no scammers allowed please. :P
-
DPR won't make any commission at all if the place goes down thanks to LEO's involvement. They always start small. Plant the seed then let the seed grow. At first it is a small weed nothing to worry about then it grows larger and larger to where the weeds are a headache and you try and cut them out but the seeds are planted and the damage is done and it is too late the weeds have over taken the beautiful garden and then all the items in the garden are dead and gone. As a friend tells a friend 2x4x8x16x32 the place is going to grow and grow to where it is so big and gets so much publicity the government will do what it has to do to save face if not anything else. I think the membership should start getting capped off and controlled now. A problem is fixed by preparing for and eliminating the problem before it even starts. Battles are won before the soldiers even take the field. Through intelligence gathering and proper precautions and damage control. Let's get some damage control going to prevent future damage. The present is not a concern but the future will be and we can't fix that problem in the future it has to be fixed now be preparing for it and taking measures to cut the odds of that happening down as far as we can. 10% of something is better than 0% of nothing.
I just think it is something to be considered and looked over..
-
Decisions like whether to have open registration or capped membership are a market-maker decision. As such.. it belongs pretty much exclusively to the person who owns the market.
Nothing on S.R. concept wise is private property.. the concept is now free game, I don't see SR/DPR filing for a trademark on the name (HAHAHA!). What is his however.. is the fact that he was first mover, and all the reputation and customer trust that goes with it. He has inertia. His profits will only continue as long as he maintains that momentum.
Consequently you can bet he's pondered hard about how to do that (and if somehow he doesnt the big market will punish the smaller market he makes).
Let him work, or go make your own market. But I don't see most of us doing the latter, cause we want to profit ourselves from SR/DPR's first mover advantage (and are willing to pay him his % for that privilege).
-
again all I am hearing is PROFIT "greed". i respect what you are saying man. The profits could and can keep coming in at a very even and smooth pace if membership is capped and security will go way way up and the likelihood of this place getting taken down will have dropped big time.
I guess it comes down to what the powers to be think is best.
1, steady,decent flowing profits and making huge dividends for pretty much nothing and knowing you have taken all the precautions available to you to make sure your steady decent profits continue to come in as the months/years go by.
OR
2. Go for the most money you can get and to hell with maximum security and ensuring your profits and income keep coming in and wake up one morning with your business taken from you by some worthless Government cause the place got to big. So big the media could not ignore and so big the Government had no choice but to take it down.
Trust me as soon as it becomes mainstream news in the USA some politician will use this place as a means to make brownie points with voters. They live for this type of things and they will all jump on board and go for the headlines. "senator/congressman jack or jim or whatever has succeeded in taking down and removing black-market drug operations on the internet . Kids were ordering drugs on the internet from the comfort of their bedrooms"
you better believe that is just waiting to happen. Just a matter of time and it does not have to be that way if we take the steps to keep it from happening. The owners,the powers to be here can keep getting rich and the vendors can keep making good money and us users have us a safe reliable place to get the things we need and want with little to no risk to our health or freedom.
I hope someone higher up considers this.
-
All I'm saying is most people are pretty comfortable with the way things are now. Sure, someone manages to stir up a bit of paranoia every now and then, but despite these troubles the Silk Road's still going as strong as ever. The biggest danger to the market at this rate might ironically be change, and I for one would rather not risk it. Frankly I couldn't give a shit about what any politician thinks of this market, I'd like to see how we stand up to an attack against the feds. I saw a study recently showing something like 74% of America is now pro-marijuana, which shows that we're slowly getting comfortable with drugs here in the US. So I wouldn't worry much about LEO as I used to.
-
"So I wouldn't worry much about LEO as I used to."
All I can say is WOW.
Capping the membership does NOTHING but add security and lowers the risk of this place being taken out by the government
No offense buddy but the post you just made would made me think LEO stamped all over it. When anyone involved in anything illegal tells you not to worry about the law then those around that person should keep their eyes open,mouth shut and ear listening. .Again I am sure you meant nothing by your opinion but that is the impression it gives.
Sometimes it is common sense. Yes the US is leaning more and more towards weed legalization and it is just a matter of time till it happens but the politicians LIVE for sites and news like this as it is an opportunity for them to get on tv and make voters think they are doing something great and trust me they can and will do what they want. Laws are only laws to those who have no power. Laws do not exist to some people. they are that powerful. Many leos ignore laws and set people up and do what they want. When the powers to be in the US government see this place as a tool to be used to get votes or get elected into office you better believe they will use that tool and DOWN WE GO. Right now we are just a chess piece sitting on the board and they are waiting...waiting with strategic excellence to move the piece and down we go. The only way to keep that from happening is to stay under the radar as much as possible. The only way to stay under the radar as much as possible is to not get to big and well know and you can not prevent that from happening unless you CAP THE MEMBERSHIP AT SOME POINT. This is common sense.
I am not privy to all the goings ons with this place and its operations on the grand scale so who knows maybe the powers to be know something we do not and got certain Government officials paid off to not do anything but even that only goes so far before the public starts demanding actions and no way a site and service like this gets all over the 6 o clock news and the Goverment/politicans dont jump all over it and take it down. IT IS AN INEVITABLE FACT JUST WAITING TO HAPPEN. Time is the only obstacle.
You keep a fire small/medium size it will warm your house and make you feel great and looks pretty and everyone is happy. You let it get bigger and bigger and bigger then eventually it gets out of hand and what once took care of you and made you feel good then CONSUMES AND DESTROYS YOU ..cause you let it get out of hand and TOO BIG...
let's think people and not just come here and get what we want and sit back and get high and not give a shit. We all need to do what we can to keep this from happening.
-
The whole point of SR is that it is to grow to be a worldwide anonymous market for people to make free transactions - not this place with massive regulation.
If cops start posing as vendors.. I mean what would be the point? To burn buyers? It could happen but personally I'm willing to take that risk.
-
No offense buddy but the post you just made would made me think LEO stamped all over it. When anyone involved in anything illegal tells you not to worry about the law then those around that person should keep their eyes open,mouth shut and ear listening. .Again I am sure you meant nothing by your opinion but that is the impression it gives.
You must be new here, hi I'm Gary Oak. It's important that you know something about me.....I don't really give a shit about much. ;D
It's cool what you're trying to do here and all, but I'm just saying I doubt you'll achieve much.
Capping the membership does NOTHING but add security and lowers the risk of this place being taken out by the government
Another way to look at it is the more vendors, then the more buyers. The more vendors and buyers the less chance we have of being singled out, like a school of fish. :P
Fish Swim in groups also known as SCHOOLS,
First and foremost, schools protect fish from enemies. It's the same rule our mothers taught us, always stay in a group because there is safety in numbers. Predators find it easier to chase down and gobble up a fish swimming all alone, than trying to cut out a single fish from a huge group. The same holds true in reverse. Fish can better defend their territory in a group. Bullies will think twice about facing an angry school of fifty fish.
-
We have this thread every few weeks. It's easy to say that registrations should be closed once you are registered. This isn't your secret club. It's been all over the news are there are most likely thousands here. Though a downside of having more new members is vendors not being able to keep product stocked. Some particular items I buy like LSD I have to race against others to buy it because it's cleared out within an hour. It's just going to get worse. 100+ people can't rely on 3jane to provide an endless stream of LSD every week.
-
We have this thread every few weeks. It's easy to say that registrations should be closed once you are registered. This isn't your secret club. It's been all over the news are there are most likely thousands here. Though a downside of having more new members is vendors not being able to keep product stocked. Some particular items I buy like LSD I have to race against others to buy it because it's cleared out within an hour. It's just going to get worse. 100+ people can't rely on 3jane to provide an endless stream of LSD every week.
There's currently 20728 total members on the forum alone, so it's safe to say there is a huge amount of members on the Silk Road market! :o
-
"The whole point of SR is that it is to grow to be a worldwide anonymous market for people to make free transactions - not this place with massive regulation."
Dude I am sorry and please don't get offended but that is living in a dream world. A world I wish was true but it is not. If you and the others wish to go on thinking that and thinking that the government is going to turn a blind eye to what we do then you and everyone else is putting SR on 'living on borrowed time status"
As far as leos posing as vendors that is not the MAIN concern. The main concern is the SR site getting so big that is get's shut down. This WILL HAPPEN. there is no two ways about it. If membership keeps growing and growing and growing there is no way around it not happening.
Why would LEO's want to sign up and act like vendors? Hmm to build a cases against what they consider criminals. Just like politicians so they can get brownie points and buck for promotions. This is a revolutionary way of dealing these products. LEOs are foaming at the mouth to be the first one to be on the 6oclock news with a huge bust of the 21st century way of dealing.
I feel like I am having a conversation with a bunch of stoners who all they care about is if they can keep logging on and getting the product and getting wasted not caring about anything but that. Not caring about tomorrow or the next day or the future of this site.
I am at a loss for words at what I am seeing and reading. A total disregard for trying to keep this wonderful place we have safe and secure and under the radar of those who would use it to their advantage and shut it down.
I am not going to say anymore on this subject. I know this is not my own private club that is why I said I felt guilty about even wanting to close it to new members but also that is why I said not close it permanently but just have certain windows for new members to join.
Anyways it was nice chatting with you gents and i hope I did not offend anyone. Let us all enjoy this place while we have it cause with a "I don't give a shit" attitude it will not be around forever. But like someone said..'who am I" it is not my club. I am just a concerned member wanting to put every deterrent in place that I possible that will keep this place here for the longest time possible. if that is a bad thing then I am sorry.
Again Hope I dod not offend anyone. Have a great day everybody.
for what its worth 20.000 members worldwide is nothing. The day will come many of you with this stance will wake up log on and SR won't be here. Then we can scratch our heads and say "what could we have done to prevent this?"
-
oh and as far as this place being here to grow to be some huge anonymous marketplace and not some place with all sorts of regulations...who gives a shit how many regulations this or any site has so long as we can log on buy our shit and have it delivered safely and securely? That should be the only concern for all involved. Not some pipe dream of having some world wide marketplace.
This site as it stands NOW. THIS MOMENT. ......Small in numbers,steady flow of income/capital for all powers to be and vendors and steady supply of product for all users. Safe,secure and easy.
Let it keep growing and you compromise all that ....FACT....COLD HARD FACT.
-
It's just that every few weeks a 'concerned member' make a topic similar to this one, and in the end all they achieve is spreading paranoia to newer members and annoying the older members. :-\
To defend myself, it's easy for me to not give a fuck because I'm intelligent enough to get what I want and stay safe at the same time. I've never been scammed in the few months I've been here, and have received all packages flawlessly, so I think that shows something. Those of us who know what we're doing will continue to profit while the more ignorant will falter. It's cold but it's honest. In the end, when the Silk Road inevitably comes to an end, it'll be with no regrets and I'll have something great to look back on. It certainly won't be the end of the world and as with most things, another will surely pop up to replace it.
-
Let it keep growing and you compromise all that ....FACT....COLD HARD FACT.
Predictions of the future are not fact, but theory. Neither true not false. ::)
-
it's nice to meet you Gary.
In all due respect who is talking about scams and new user getting ripped off? I am talking about ways to keep SR under the radar of the Government the best we can so that we do not get used as a tool for elections and get crooked politicians into office.
I am having a very hard time understanding how any user of SR could argue against taking every precaution possible to ensure SR stays safe and secure and here for as long as possible.
-
The reason I mentioned not being scammed and my flawless buying record was to show that taking proper precautions is vital to our protection and to the site's growth and has proven to be effective in my case. Those who aren't as cautious have made that decision themselves and will likely suffer the consequences, which they deserve.
It's not that hard to understand why someone might oppose your idea, because after all one could just as easily make an argument against it. There are both pros and cons to your theories, but some of us might see more cons than there are pros, and you vice versa.
A major flaw in your argument is that you're thinking from an American point of view. The Silk Road is an international market though...
-
Regulating membership will do nothing. Carders markets have regulated memberships in the past and they were still brought down, from the inside with LE in admin and moderator roles.
Even if you regulated membership you would have to have some sort of policy in place that members lose their access if they don't purchase anything for a certain amount of time, otherwise you'll end up with a lot of members that can't/don't use SR anymore or just haven't been able to afford purchases for a period of time, and this in turn hurts existing vendors and makes it much harder for new vendors to break into the business.
-
It's just that every few weeks a 'concerned member' make a topic similar to this one, and in the end all they achieve is spreading paranoia to newer members and annoying the older members. :-\
To defend myself, it's easy for me to not give a fuck because I'm intelligent enough to get what I want and stay safe at the same time. I've never been scammed in the few months I've been here, and have received all packages flawlessly, so I think that shows something. Those of us who know what we're doing will continue to profit while the more ignorant will falter. It's cold but it's honest. In the end, when the Silk Road inevitably comes to an end, it'll be with no regrets and I'll have something great to look back on. It certainly won't be the end of the world and as with most things, another will surely pop up to replace it.
QFT
Also agree cutting members casts a net around us as Gary said before. This topic has been beaten harder than Rodney King, Rihanna, and my dick combined.
-
In all due respect who is talking about scams and new user getting ripped off?
Well, you were...
If a scam artist gets banned he can't sign up again for 6 months.
What everyone here is trying to tell you is that restricting membership will do NOTHING for our security. That you even bring it up (again) shows that you neither understand security or the potential that this website has to force the hand of the powers that be.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you didn't exactly arrive early to the party; just a few months after SR went up two US senators wrote a letter to Eric Holder and the DEA calling for its destruction. I'd bet that there has been LE presence here since week 1, how could there not be given that a place like The Farmer's Market was under investigation since 2006? Any effort to infiltrate SR is already well under way.
-
I would be against the idea of restricting membership, for the reasons already stated by others.
This place needs to grow, not stagnate. Expand or Die!
-
I am having a very hard time understanding how any user of SR could argue against taking every precaution possible to ensure SR stays safe and secure and here for as long as possible.
Sorry Klaw239, but you're obviously a noob and you talk like one. What's clear is that you have no idea what you're talking about. You could have used the search feature and discovered how many times a noob like you has broached this topic and actually LEARNED something from the responses given before starting your own thread and telling everyone else here the exact same thing while making your self righteous yet uninformed claims.
Like has already been stated, there has already been PLENTY of attention brought to this place and LE has known about it since day 1. In fact, congress went into a rage and ny senator schumer had a press conference denouncing SR while inquiring with the DEA what is being done about it. That was almost a year ago. You act like you're some rocket scientist who knows better despite just getting here and knowing nothing.
Capping membership is a horrible idea because despite your ignorant claim that it would make it more secure, it doesn't do that. You could have learned this if you used the search feature. There's nothing preventing a present member, be it vendor or buyer from getting busted and singing to LE. But busting individual sellers/buyers can and will be done whether there's a capped membership or not.
Your concerns seem to be that more members will bring more attention and resources devoted to taking down SR despite the already tons of attention and resources that have already been devoted to it as we speak. You're late to the party yet you're acting like you discovered it.
So capping membership is somehow supposed to prevent LE from wanting to take out high end SR ballers? What a silly idea. You think more resources will allow LE to catch up with the technology? The ingenuity and numbers in the worldwide blackhat community are far more likely to find and exploit some weakness in TOR, should it exist, than LE. There are already better anon technologies than TOR in existence and already deployed by small numbers in deepnet and other elite anon tech currently in development without the liabilities known to TOR. I'm sure as these new networks grow and prove themselves over time, much of deepnet and SR along with it will make the jump to circumvent and stay ahead of LE no matter how many individual buyers/vendors they take down in the meantime.
The cap on membership idea is a tired old dog that needs to be laid to rest. There should be a sticky to prevent guys like the OP thinking he's doing a great service to the market by suggesting it. No vendor would ever support such a thing, as no business would ever want to put a ceiling on growth. They want as much turnover as possible in the least amount of time. If a vendor wants to limit selling to only their trusted customers, there's nothing preventing them from doing that now. They don't need to publish their links, and can just give it to the people they want to do business with.
So unless you're trying to say something that hasn't been said and shot down 1000 times already, and if you care so much you should use the search feature and LEARN about the issue first, then please make your point.
-
JP first off lose the immature freshman high school "you are a NooB" stuff ok. We are all adults here. I hope so anyways.
Just the fact you are quoting and placing your trust and opinions on what you see and hear in the media tells me you have NO understanding of how the real world works in terms of things of this nature. What you hear and see is carefully picked out by the powers to be and rest assured if they release one bit of information to the SHEEP I.E public that it is safe to assume that the real story is no where close.
If you fail to understand the point I am making then I am not even going to begin to have a conversation with you about it and I am not going to offend or insult you by name calling or trying to back my point of view by forcing it down someones throat.
Just reading the comment "expand or die" haha tells me what I am dealing with .
Have a good weekend all.
-
Just reading the comment "expand or die" haha tells me what I am dealing with .
I'm not sure what you meant by that, but it was me who wrote that particular comment, not the guy you were just arguing with.
I truly think that the "expand or die" mindset is the only thing that gives this place a real chance of survival, long term. More users equals more anonymity.
Also, I find the "lock the site down" sentiment that a lot of new users express to be extremely selfish. Imagine if that had happened the day before you found this place yourselves.
-
UK we could have ten million strong and all ONE man in the right Government position would have tp do is snap his fingers and say shut them down and we would be down. Just like that! That fast that easy.
If we are here it is cause they are letting us be here. We are under the radar at the moment. You do not stay that way by growing and word of mouth. this is not the A typical business model where you want word of mouth. We want to remain silent and in the shadows out of the attention of Goverment offials. Sure there are leos here but at the moment we are not a burden to the Goverment and so long as we remain that way odds are the Governments will be content just letting us exist. But growing and growing is not the way to do that.
-
LOL klaw is a fucking retard.
Have you read any of the arguments made by the 6-7 people telling you you're wrong? You certainly haven't responded to them.
If LE could snap their fingers and do away with this site they most certainly would have (busting online drug communities is clearly a huge priority for LE, as evidenced by things like operation webtryp, the recent TFM, EK, and pip2 busts, etc.) There are other much higher profile targets that rely on the same anonymizing technology that we do (think child porn traders), and those communities are still up and running.
I'm not going to bother saying any more, cause either we're being trolled or you're too stupid for any of this to ever make sense.
-
klaw, just a few questions for you.
What happens when the first 20 people to sign up one month are all LEOs, taking advantage of the per-month cap? What happens if that occurs repeatedly, and we have a flood of LEOs?
Oh yeah, the idea breaks and actually hurts us.
-
JP first off lose the immature freshman high school "you are a NooB" stuff ok. We are all adults here. I hope so anyways.
Well then you should act like an adult. Learn to use the search feature. You reap what you sow.
Just the fact you are quoting and placing your trust and opinions on what you see and hear in the media tells me you have NO understanding of how the real world works in terms of things of this nature. What you hear and see is carefully picked out by the powers to be and rest assured if they release one bit of information to the SHEEP I.E public that it is safe to assume that the real story is no where close.
And it's quickly becoming clear that you don't have a clue as to how the government works so you fill in your gaps of knowledge with conspiratorial nonsense. You treat the "powers that be" as one singular, mysterious, and unified voice that carefully scripts every public pronouncement without consideration of from which public servant in which branch of government it might be coming and their many competing interests and loyalties that turns your idea of a harmonious and coordinated "powers that be" grand puppeteer into a grand farce. In your imaginary world, the "powers that be" are omniscient and have unlimited resources to do anything they want even though if they did this place would never have gotten off the ground in the first place.
A senator's first loyalty is to his constituents responsible for electing and re-electing him into office and the donors that fund his campaigns. Schumer made his statements after it was repeatedly brought to his attention by the press because he thinks it plays well with a significant part of his constituents and donors, not because he was ordered to say them by your mythical "powers that be". The DEA responded they were "aware" of the situation after he demanded to know what they were doing about it. As a senator in the legislative branch, he has the power of oversight of any LE agency should he find reason to suspect they aren't competently doing their jobs. So if this was all some carefully scripted play, as you're suggesting, the playwright has got to be one dumb tool. How do you think it makes the DEA and the senator who wanted to shine a spotlight on it look that 10 months later things here are still going strong? Like incompetent and ineffective tools, that's what. But in your world, this is all part of the script that the Illuminati has put together right? That an elected official would choose to publicly humiliate themselves and a LEA while the growth of underground markets continues unfettered. Yes, of course, because in your world a senator isn't responsible to constituents because they aren't actually elected but chosen to play the part by the "Powers That Be". That's gotta be some pretty good rock you're smoking.
If you fail to understand the point I am making then I am not even going to begin to have a conversation with you about it
It's hard to defend the indefensible isn't it? What a cop out. I'd actually like to hear how you think the "real world" works. I'm ready to be entertained.
and I am not going to offend or insult you by name calling or trying to back my point of view by forcing it down someones throat.
Then what's the point of you starting this thread? Since your suggestion is based upon your fantastical notions of the "Powers That Be" that you, as such a good samaritan, don't want to shove down anyone's throat then why did you bother making your suggestion in the first place? Or are you so delusional to think most people share your worldview?
-
klaw, just a few questions for you.
What happens when the first 20 people to sign up one month are all LEOs, taking advantage of the per-month cap? What happens if that occurs repeatedly, and we have a flood of LEOs?
Oh yeah, the idea breaks and actually hurts us.
You wrote exactly what i thought from the first post of this topic.
You just forgot to add Klaw is a dick
-
I say nay.. To this and invite only that would just ruin the whole point of this site which is to buy/sell stuff and in the process stick it to the man.. The more the merrier. It's easier to hide in a crowd than it is to hide between two people. It's not exactly rocket science to figure that one out. Klaw you are a douche
-
I wouldn't like to see a memeber cut off as sr being a open makes it great for people.
What i think should really happens is SR should branch off with a bulk only forum that you would have to pay for to get in or a invite system . Keeping SR open for people who just wanna do personal buys giving vendors more of a safety net as to they want to deal with.
Would also give Dpr some extra form of income Just my idea
-
What i think should really happens is SR should branch off with a bulk only forum that you would have to pay for to get in or a invite system . Keeping SR open for people who just wanna do personal buys giving vendors more of a safety net as to they want to deal with.
In other words, put up a sign for LE that says "Bulk Only, this is the group you wanna infiltrate because it's where the super ballers are".
Bulk buying and selling can and does go on right now out of view. Vendors can provide unpublished link to bulk quantities to longtime customers they've established repoire with. No need to raise their bulk profile by being part of a "club". It sounds like what you're suggesting would make it more dangerous for vendors since it facilitates bulk sales to someone they're unfamiliar. And if you're already buying in bulk why should you need to pay an extra fee to be part of a "bulk club"?