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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: oxyhoot on September 19, 2011, 04:47 am
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My bad for calling out Pharmville's 2mg Xanax as unidentifiable
http://www.pharmer.org/images/foreign/alprazolam-psicofarma-logo
The listing said Mexican Farmapram but their main page said "coming soon Psicofarma"
I was really tired last night when I stopped looking and I don't know why I didn't find that when I looked for Psicofarma.
I apologize to Pharmville as well as nomad boodbath. I feel like a true asshole. I just freaked when I couldn't ID them.
Again, completely my bad.
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And there you go. Pays to be patient before freaking out over nothing. And you manned up and cleared the air. Good man. +1
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Hey Oxyhoot,
Well, I have to say: this is one post I did NOT expect to see when I came on the Forum this morning. :)
And I have to take my part in the responsibility for this because I was tired when I was doing the listings and I put the wrong factory so it is at least within the realm of possibility that someone would say "if Farmapram's strongest pill is a 1mg and Pharmville says these are made by Farmapram then they must be only 1mg".
The bigger point here though is the one echoed by Bikerbum and it was the reason I was waiting until getting to the last pm to send you your reply: it's quite true that there are scammers on SR. There are and always have been scammers on every drug forum, both public and private, since the beginning of time. But buyers need to be *way* more cautious and certain (through actual research and factual evidence, not just "somebody said" or "I heard" kind of apocryphal tales stuff) before saying that a vendor is selling something that is not legitimate or is in some other way deficient. Modern science has ways of testing and/or verifying almost everything that's sold here on SR. If someone wants to take the lead in a collective action against a seller for bad behavior or selling bad product(s), there's a right way and a wrong way to go about it. I'll leave ourselves out of the comparisons but I would say that the "Missit called out for selective scamming" and the "Barry Sneaky is a scammer" threads were the right ways because they contained a lot of factual info and they encouraged anyone who had additional factual info to get it out there. The "Listen to the Music reviews" thread is an example, I believe, of the bad way. LTTM has been a truly great seller on SR for longer than Pharmville has been around and it pained me greatly to see him ripped to shreds when his subordinates did a lot of stupid things in his absence while he was on vacation. I honestly don't know how that turned out or if he is even selling on SR anymore (which would be a crying shame because Ben has been bugging me to get him some of LTTM's Juicy Fruit for over a month now! ;) ) but whether he's still here or not, what was done to him was totally uncalled for and that kind of thing takes the wind out of a seller's sails and is a very strong disincentive for any seller to go the "extra mile" for the buyers in general.
And especially if the vendor has a significant track record of honesty and good sellling...then really take your time before making the decision to say that there's something wrong with them. Because chances are it's either an honest mistake or just a miscommunication.
So I say "thank you" to Oxyhoot for putting up the correct info and I say "thank you" to Nomad for making it a sticky so everyone will see it.
And I give Oxyhoot a big +1 for manning up. Everybody makes mistakes, me definitely included, and the only thing that really matters once the mistake is made is manning up for it. So "good job" to ya on that one. :D
ETA: This is probably as good a place as any to also caution folks when commenting on the strength of pills, especially benzos. If you take benzos (valium and xanax in particular) on a daily or near daily basis, then you might not think a particular pill is as strong as it should be because tolerance for this class of drugs is very very high. I know that when I was taking 10 valiums a day I didn't think that ANY of the 10mg ones that I got had a real 10mg's in them because I had a huge tolerance built up. The same thing happened when I had a four year script for xanax...I started thinking that the generics that the pharmacy was dispensing to me was a lousy, weak ass pill but the truth was that I had a huge tolerance then too. By comparison, I hadn't taken a valium or a xanax in over a year when Pharmville got theirs in recently. I took two 10mg valiums the first night, got high as hell and then got 10 hours of great sleep. A week later when the xanax came in I took two of them and got high as hell once again and finally just laid down and slept like a baby. My complete lack of tolerance made all the difference in the world. :) just sayin'. The whole benzo category has been pretty much ruined by the bulk Pakistani crap that is sold on every body bulding site and Topix and every other place on the 'Net. There's a reason those 10mg valiums cost seven cents when you buy a bag of 5,000 pills and it's because...SURPRISE! THERE'S NO DIAZEPAM IN THEM! Same thing with the Onax bars and the other no name bars, they have been lab tested years ago by myself and other people and I never found one that tested out higher than 0.5mg for the supposed 2mg ones and about half of the ones sent in as samples had NO ALPRAZOLAM in them at all. There are many good generic benzo makers out there including Farmapram and Psicofarma but also Aupurin, Mylan, Greenstone, Barr, Ivax and a dozen others. But on any drug forum you will find people who say one or the other is total crap because they have a huge tolerance and they don't get that "first timer" buzz when they take the pills. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and that's what a forum is for...for people to share their opinions as well as factual information. Just make sure that when you go to share something it's based on *real* facts and not just a bunch of hooey. :)
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I would just like to apologize again for stirring shit up. Being tired when trying the first night to ID them was part of the problem. I did search Psicofarma and I don't know why I didn't find the link that traverler404 provided: http://www.pharmer.org/images/foreign/alprazolam-psicofarma-logo in 2006 because that would have ended my concerns and I would not have even started the other thread.
Pharmville, please accept my deepest apologies. I wasn't jumping the gun to call you a scammer, which you clearly are NOT. I was just worried and wanted to ID what I received. Lesson learned for me. More research before getting my panties all in a wad.
To nomad bloodbath: I also apologize to you for acting like an ass and wasting your time. You do a great job and I feel like a shithead.
One more thing: tested one out and not only are they legit, but potent! If someone tested them I would be surprised if there was any significant amount under 2mg. Good stuff, makes me feel even worse about yesterday.
ROCK ON PHARMVILLE! Again, so sorry for questioning such a reputable vendor.
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Yes as Nomad said, if you've ordered from a reputable vendor, and something doesn't look right, as hard as it may be, play it cool until you can get in touch with said vendor. Case in point, I was in your shoes with some Xanax from Pharmville that did not look like any Xanax I had seen before. No online pill id site could find it either. But one PM and a little taste proved my paranoia baseless and all is good! Another little piece of payback for researching first, pulling trigger second.
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ALWAYS PM the vendor...especially a HIGHLY RESPECTED one with your problem before flaming them in a post. It's just common courtesy and the easiest way to clear up any confusion or misunderstandings. Also your friendly mods can be incredibly helpful if you are nice.
Nice of you to own up oxyhoot and make it straight.
Couldn't agree more with what you had to say Pharmville.....and yes LTTM still has some KILLER weed for you. Just send them a PM and I'm sure you will be set up.
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Props to oxy for manning up and not just disappearing after stirring up the pot... and props to pharmville for recognizing a potentially volitile situation and steady as she goes handling.
This is very good, I think this place gonna make it. Im very happy.
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Hey Everybody,
Came on here this morning to update folks about our PGP problem/situation/pending solution and was VERY PLEASED to see the new posts on this thread.
I had spoken to Chronicpain again last night, we talk sometimes coz we're pretty friendly for *potential* competitors and he had told me that even though he takes, on a normal day, 4 pcs of 1 mg xanax as a regular prescription, that when he took just one of our 2mg's it basically knocked him out and he had to hit the sack! He didn't want to put it up on the thread (and I hope I'm not speaking out of turn doing it now. :P) because he didn't want to look like he was "protesting too much" on behalf of someone he had already identified as a friend BUT NOW that Oxyhoot has tried the product and confirmed the potency I just hope that everyone will pay a lot of attention to the ETA part of my post above.
There are some really great benzos made by generic factories that can be had for really reasonable prices and there is a ton of terrible terrible junk being made, almost all of it coming out of Pakistan (some even from Afghanistan) and it's either very very weak or actually fake.
I convinced Ben that we should expand into benzos on SR (we've done them for years elsewhere) because all the ones we saw were just incredibly overpriced. Now some of that is no ones fault: the cost of the Gador Alpax 2mg xannie bars, which are hands down the best of the best when it comes to xanax, are just outrageously priced even in 1,000 pc lots and even from people I've known for a decade. They used to sell them in 500 pc lots to distributors for $1.50 (like the dude from Argentina, everyone remembers Raul, right?) for about 10 years, never a price change. Then about 2 years ago, long after him and his competitors are gone, the price just spirals out of control.
But the other good generic makers are still available, if people know their sources, and even though I will be very happy to take all the benzo biz on SR by myself if that's how it turns out, there really must be some other people who know suppliers who can get them good deals and those good deals can be passed along to the SR customers.
I have a kind of "white paper" I've written that I've not posted up to now because it's long as hell and I didn't want to get flamed and tortured for being a long winded attention grabber or whatever, but I think I'm going to dust it off, edit it for brevity (as much as possible) and post it because it's a serious discussion of why lower prices are better for BOTH buyers and sellers at SR. But it also explains that both sides have to take some responsibilities as part of the deal to make it work.
I've entitled it "A seller's philosophy: why lower prices will make SR better for seller and buyers alike!" and if a few people will come on here and say that they'd like to read it (it's about 8 typed pages) then I'll get it cleaned up and post it. If nobody shows interest though, I'll leave it in cold storage for a while coz maybe it's not yet the time for it. I'm actually just thinking out loud, I don't have an opinion I'm trying to get sold, I just have a thesis of what I think could be done in one area to make SR a better place as it matures.
Anyway, I'm glad we're all agreed that the Psicofarma (can you believe they actually named a legitimate pharmaceutical company that? haha!) makes some damn potent 2mg xanax coz I'm pretty much buying up the entire West Coast inventory because I don't know when, if ever, I'll see them where I can sell them at these prices again and I want to have enough to last until there's more of them or more of something just as good at the same price.
Have a great day everyone! -Alex-
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Alex -..I would love to see your paper, well thought out idea always are refrehing and typically sitmulating of new ideas too!
there is a thread about how to improve the buyer/seller system that kinda evolved into that discussion titled something like "invite only SR/farmers market" in the silk road discussion forum... cant wait to see your ideas!