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Title: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: oxymd on May 28, 2013, 10:01 pm
Besides a few percocet prescriptions here and there, I am completely opiate naive.  IV'ing an opiate is something I have decided I want to try (so please spare the "don't do it" posts). 

I'm not sure which opiate to start out with.  I would like to get a reasonable bang for my buck and a real introduction to opiates.  As far as I could tell from the times I've had opiate pain medication they are not really my favorite thing and I got quite nauseated (I prefer stimulants), but none the less I would like to try.

I am comfortable with an IV route of administration, and have access to all the sterile gear.  I have given many injections and placed many IVs in my day, so this is really not an issue. 

I'm not sure if I should start out with morphine, dilaudid, fentanyl, or heroin.  Also I have no idea what a reasonable starting dose would be.  I know what is recommended for pain relief, but no clue what a recreational dose for a first timer for any opiate should be (I am 140 lbs/63 kg).  Any recommendations or personal experiences are appreciated.  Thanks :)
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on May 28, 2013, 10:19 pm
To be totally honest with you dude, whether you want to hear it or not, the fact of the matter is, that if you have little to no actual opiate experience, starting to bang right from the jump, is almost sure to prove a naive mistake.

 Your probability of hard core addiction is imo, is much more likely... That being said, i know nothing of banging anything.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: imoscardotcom on May 28, 2013, 10:21 pm
Well you can certainly get Dilaudid or Oxycodone pills and dissolve and inject. Just make sure you filter properly when injecting any pill, as the last thing you want are binders in your bloodstream. Just look for micron or wheel filters on SR. Start with a low dose and go up as you need to. Never start with a huge dose just to get really high. That = OD.

If you want a "true" IV experience, get a stamp of #4 heroin. One stamp should get you high as balls since you're basically opiate naive. With #4, you only need to dissolve in water.

In my opinion, you should go with H if you truly are wanting to try IV. I used to divert Dilaudid in the ER and inject it (the actual hospital grade IV solution). I probably wouldn't have an arm if I were doing that with pills. IV'ing drugs are dangerous, even if you know what you're doing, but pills make it exponentially more dangerous due to them not being made for that purpose.

Edit: You say you've started IVs and have access to sterile gear. Sounds like you're in the health care field as well. If you do, just make sure to never make that mistake of diverting from work. I got started down that path and I lucked out and avoided the worst consequences. If I'd known about SR to begin with, I never would've taken anything from work. Be safe.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on May 28, 2013, 10:30 pm
/\ Your suggesting he go right to a full stamp of #4?

Cmon dude, most stamps here on the Road are over 90mg some almost 140mg! Thats sure to have him OD man.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: imoscardotcom on May 28, 2013, 10:34 pm
Sorry, no that's not what I was suggesting. I didn't make that clear, my bad. I was suggesting one stamp period, since that's really as small as you can buy. I was combining that with what I said before about starting with a low dose and going up. My bad!
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on May 28, 2013, 10:36 pm
Kk, lol.. thats better.

You didnt seem the type to say some bogus shit like that :)
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: imoscardotcom on May 28, 2013, 10:38 pm
Haha heck no. Normally I'd say don't do IV at all when you're opiate naive, but he seems determined.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: Jack N Hoff on May 28, 2013, 10:42 pm
This is the best advice you could ever get,

Don't start doing opiates.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: cmos56 on May 28, 2013, 10:53 pm
This is the best advice you could ever get,

Don't start doing opiates.

but they`re so tempting. what about this opium poppy tea, have any of you tried it? I found out about it some time ago on erowid but never really believed it worked or was nice if worked.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: georgesdad on May 28, 2013, 11:02 pm
ruuuuuunnnnn!!!!!
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: Shaggy Shaman on May 28, 2013, 11:03 pm
I'm liking the opium I just got at a festival a couple of weeks ago.

It seems to be quite different from pills. Haven't IV'ed opiates ever.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: MarcoRuas on May 28, 2013, 11:03 pm
Don't do opiates.. YOU WILL BECOME ADDICTED  :(. And then your life will spiral downward. Speaking from a whole lot of experience. Have fun with something else that won't put your body in a vise grip if it becomes un available.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on May 28, 2013, 11:06 pm
/\ Now, Now.. thats not necessarily true, Ive been using opiates for yearss now, anything from codeine to H..and ive never let the addiction run my life. When ever my body is in the full nelson of addiction, i ween myself off for a break. 
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: SOUTHPAW on May 28, 2013, 11:16 pm
Well looks like your getting the much needed advice to stay the fuck away from the IV of the opiate. Whether you heed this advice is up to you. Personally I don't think you will. So with that said, why would you want to try this so bad? Seriously, I am more than curious to why someone who states they really did not care for the effects of pain meds and that they made you nauseous. Why then would you want to pursue a main line to your blood stream and the quickest onset to the brain you can get? Do you think this is going to make it better? Do you think your missing some euphoric orgasmic experience that you will just walk away from. Come on! Use your head for a minute. ;)
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: dannymayhem1 on May 28, 2013, 11:28 pm
I have also been taking opiates irregularly for a couple of years, sometimes pills sometimes H it just depends what is around.

Starting to get a little bit more frequent now though, it's a very slippery slope it is one very seductive bitch heroin. I think everytime you take it maybe it gets a little bit harder not to want to do it again.

It's your life though mate, do with it as you wish.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: imoscardotcom on May 29, 2013, 01:03 am
You get addicted to opiates and don't even know you're addicted, because it totally washes away all normal logic. You'll rationalize with yourself that decisions you'd normally consider wrong are right, because the end result is you getting your fix. Withdrawals won't kill you, but you'll feel like you want to die and it'll cross your mind a few times. Opiate addicts, like myself, can tell you all day long how bad it is and how you should avoid it at all costs. Right after that, we go get our fix because our legs start cramping. It's a pretty vicious circle. Shrug. At least there's SR for us degenerates. :P
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: jackofspades on May 29, 2013, 01:10 am
When a bunch of people who know a lot about drugs are telling you (on a drug-forum) not to do said drug, at least reconsider and flip a coin.

That being said, how have you done the percs before? Cause before banging a stamp try; blowing some dope and ease your way into your eventual addiction. Ive sniffed once and it was awesome but IK what it was and once was enough no matter how good it felt.
So use some different script opiates and experiment before you head strait for that dope.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: Ashwinder on May 29, 2013, 01:10 am
Opiates...you said in your first post that they're not your favorite thing, so why do you want to try IV if you don't mind me asking?  :o
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: oxymd on May 29, 2013, 01:33 am
Well you can certainly get Dilaudid or Oxycodone pills and dissolve and inject. Just make sure you filter properly when injecting any pill, as the last thing you want are binders in your bloodstream. Just look for micron or wheel filters on SR. Start with a low dose and go up as you need to. Never start with a huge dose just to get really high. That = OD.

If you want a "true" IV experience, get a stamp of #4 heroin. One stamp should get you high as balls since you're basically opiate naive. With #4, you only need to dissolve in water.

In my opinion, you should go with H if you truly are wanting to try IV. I used to divert Dilaudid in the ER and inject it (the actual hospital grade IV solution). I probably wouldn't have an arm if I were doing that with pills. IV'ing drugs are dangerous, even if you know what you're doing, but pills make it exponentially more dangerous due to them not being made for that purpose.

Edit: You say you've started IVs and have access to sterile gear. Sounds like you're in the health care field as well. If you do, just make sure to never make that mistake of diverting from work. I got started down that path and I lucked out and avoided the worst consequences. If I'd known about SR to begin with, I never would've taken anything from work. Be safe.

Thank you, this was the sort of advice for which I was looking.  Yes, I am in the healthcare field, but my drug use is something that is very recreational and I keep it separate from work/school at all costs.  Not worth throwing away 12+ years of education over!  I realize that addiction can cause you to rationalize anything, and there have been some close calls in the past for me so thank god the road exists!

I have been thinking about this for a long time, but after reading a few of the responses here I have decided H is probably not something I even want to touch.  Maybe when I'm 80 ;)

I've been thinking about Dilaudid as an alternative, but not Oxycontin/codone due to the outrageous price.  I have 0.45 um filters and think that would be sufficient...?  I don't want to inject binders.  I've personally seen the damage this does to the lungs, not interested!  What would be a starting "recreational" dose with something like Dilaudid or Oxycodone? 
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: oxymd on May 29, 2013, 01:37 am
Opiates...you said in your first post that they're not your favorite thing, so why do you want to try IV if you don't mind me asking?  :o

That's an excellent question, and one I have a hard time answering completely.  It comes down to me having achieved what I want in life at this point, and I just want to feel that feel.  Also, IV as a route of administration is comfortable for me.  If I had chosen another career, I sincerely doubt I would ever consider injecting a drug...but when you do it for a living it doesn't seem like a big deal.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: imoscardotcom on May 29, 2013, 01:50 am
Thank you, this was the sort of advice for which I was looking.  Yes, I am in the healthcare field, but my drug use is something that is very recreational and I keep it separate from work/school at all costs.  Not worth throwing away 12+ years of education over!  I realize that addiction can cause you to rationalize anything, and there have been some close calls in the past for me so thank god the road exists!

I have been thinking about this for a long time, but after reading a few of the responses here I have decided H is probably not something I even want to touch.  Maybe when I'm 80 ;)

I've been thinking about Dilaudid as an alternative, but not Oxycontin/codone due to the outrageous price.  I have 0.45 um filters and think that would be sufficient...?  I don't want to inject binders.  I've personally seen the damage this does to the lungs, not interested!  What would be a starting "recreational" dose with something like Dilaudid or Oxycodone?

Well like I said, I never IV'd Dilaudid PO, just the actual IV solution. Opiate naive people can get wasted on 0.5 mg of the IV solution. I'm not sure how much the PO = IV when it comes to dissolving the Dilaudid tablets. I'll let someone with experience in IV'ing the tabs answer dosage. From my personal experience of taking and giving Dilaudid IV, 1 mg is a good starting point. I was up to 4 mg IV (a few times I tested my limit and did 6, but my stomach turned too much). Dilaudid is the closest thing to H I've felt, H just lasts longer. In my opinion, getting some 2 mg Dilaudid tabs and IV'ing half of one is probably going to be a safe dose for you. To be really safe, you can dissolve half of a 2 mg, pull it up in 2 mL and IV 1 mL. If that doesn't get you, IV the other mL. You know the routine in health care. You can always titrate up.

A .45 micron filter will usually get the solution clear for you and if you don't IV pills constantly, should be ok for occasional recreational use. I'd definitely get the .22 micron filters though if you want to be the safest. Do you have access to IV tubing filters? There's a filter you put certain IV drips on that you can just attach a syringe to and pull through and I believe it was even smaller than .22. It's been a while since I used it, but if you're in a health care sitting you should be able to get one with relative ease.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: Lunacy on May 29, 2013, 02:28 am
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I have been thinking about this for a long time, but after reading a few of the responses here I have decided H is probably not something I even want to touch.  Maybe when I'm 80 ;)

I've been thinking about Dilaudid as an alternative, but not Oxycontin/codone due to the outrageous price.  I have 0.45 um filters and think that would be sufficient...?  I don't want to inject binders.  I've personally seen the damage this does to the lungs, not interested!  What would be a starting "recreational" dose with something like Dilaudid or Oxycodone? 

The first statement here is a good, smart choice you have made. However, taken in conext with the statement right after, it's completely naive. It just proves how COMPLETELY NAIVE you are about opiates in general.

You see, Hydromorphone (Dilaudid), produces a stronger rush than even the best H. Also, unlike the high from H, the high from HydroM has NO legs whatsoever. It's basically just a rush. It's like the Cocaine of opiates. You would be much better starting with #4 Heroin and playing around with snorting it for at least a few months before even thinking about IVing.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: oxymd on May 29, 2013, 02:41 am
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I have been thinking about this for a long time, but after reading a few of the responses here I have decided H is probably not something I even want to touch.  Maybe when I'm 80 ;)

I've been thinking about Dilaudid as an alternative, but not Oxycontin/codone due to the outrageous price.  I have 0.45 um filters and think that would be sufficient...?  I don't want to inject binders.  I've personally seen the damage this does to the lungs, not interested!  What would be a starting "recreational" dose with something like Dilaudid or Oxycodone? 

The first statement here is a good, smart choice you have made. However, taken in conext with the statement right after, it's completely naive. It just proves how COMPLETELY NAIVE you are about opiates in general.

You see, Hydromorphone (Dilaudid), produces a stronger rush than even the best H. Also, unlike the high from H, the high from HydroM has NO legs whatsoever. It's basically just a rush. It's like the Cocaine of opiates. You would be much better starting with #4 Heroin and playing around with snorting it for at least a few months before even thinking about IVing.

Yes, I am completely naive when it comes to the recreational use of opiates in general...hence this thread.  Also, I'm not really interested in snorting it.  I am much more comfortable with an injection (I realize this is backwards relative to most people).

I've heard the opposite about Dilaudid -- that it's similar but not quite as strong as H as far as the "rush" goes (I put that in quotes because obviously I don't have the experience to know what that really means).  What does the term "legs" mean?  At this point I am staying away from H for sure.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: AliBabba on May 29, 2013, 02:52 am
You get addicted to opiates and don't even know you're addicted, because it totally washes away all normal logic.

Right on... it's so gradual, until that first kick and then it hits ya.

If you're hell-bent on IV'ing, I'd suggest Dilaudid. It's got a helluva rush and doesn't last long at all. That way you'll see what you're missing out on, and if it makes you nauseous at least you'll only be sick a few hours. Wish you the best, and I hope you have a lot more will-power than I, my friend.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 29, 2013, 03:05 am
hi oxymd
i would start sniffing first just to build a little tolerance. pushing off with no tolerance can be dangerous and also make you pretty sick.
although people do inject oxys, i wouldnt waste the time. they are pretty much all binder and junk. the high is good but not nearly the cream of the crop. oxycodone would be the bottom for rec usage.
iv. hydromorph and morphine are step in the right direction. here you start to get the blanket of love and all that warm bliss
imo the best of the best is and always will be junk. its the best bang for your buck as well. oxycodone sells on SR for over $1/mg with some vendors  :o you can get very decent h for $0.20/mg and h is several times stronger then oxycodone. but i would start with some small bumps to build tolerance first, like match heads. if you want to get the real rush of h then you do need to bang it. it has to hit you all at once.
dont fuck with fentnyl without a tolerance you can too easily overdose.

honestly h feels amazing but your playing with fire. it usually never ends good.
best of luck

and i just want to add about dosing. please always start low esp. when banging. you can add a little more but you cant take it back. if you have no tolerance with h, 10-15mgs might get you high depending on weight and such. thats a very small amount of powder. i read above someone saying to do a full stamp. i think thats crazy. 100mg could easily kill you. try to get a jewel scale that weighs .001 and start with a small amount. have someone with you. you dont want to nod off and choke on your puke
if you do to much you can just close your eyes and thats it. h is very strong, most people build there way up to the stronger opiates
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: oxymd on May 29, 2013, 03:17 am
hi oxymd
i would start sniffing first just to build a little tolerance. pushing off with no tolerance can be dangerous and also make you pretty sick.
although people do inject oxys, i wouldnt waste the time. they are pretty much all binder and junk. the high is good but not nearly the cream of the crop. oxycodone would be the bottom for rec usage.
iv. hydromorph and morphine are step in the right direction. here you start to get the blanket of love and all that warm bliss
imo the best of the best is and always will be junk. its the best bang for your buck as well. oxycodone sells on SR for over $1/mg with some vendors  :o you can get very decent h for $0.20/mg and h is several times stronger then oxycodone. but i would start with some small bumps to build tolerance first, like match heads. if you want to get the real rush of h then you do need to bang it. it has to hit you all at once.
dont fuck with fentnyl without a tolerance you can too easily overdose.

honestly h feels amazing but your playing with fire. it usually never ends good.
best of luck

I really appreciate your advice.  Thank you. 

How many mg would you say a "small bump" would be?  I ask because I don't think it's the best idea to take an unknown quantity -- especially with zero tolerance.  I have a balance that can accurately weigh to 0.1 mg.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 29, 2013, 03:30 am
your right, its not a good idea to take an unknown quanity. when dealing with strong opiates, minor increases can be alot and its difficult to eye out milligrams but dillies come in pill form so you will know how much your doing. h is always cut so you do have some wiggle room

.1mg is no good for you. thats 100mg and remember there always a margin of error usually +/- 0.1
so your scale could say 100mg but really its like 175mg or it could 50mg. that scale isnt used for weighing anything under grams accurately
theres probably no stronger opiates you could handle 100mg of. it would be unsafe, make you very sick and if its good quality could kill you
if your doing h, start with like a match head size bump, a pea would too big. just to taste it. sure it will probably not fuck you up at all but atleast you will have a guide now to go off of.

and legs means the length it lasts. i got some wicked black tar heroin that had some crazy legs
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: oxymd on May 29, 2013, 03:41 am
your right, its not a good idea to take an unknown quanity. when dealing with strong opiates, minor increases can be alot and its difficult to eye out milligrams but dillies come in pill form so you will know how much your doing. h is always cut so you do have some wiggle room

.1mg is no good for you. thats 100mg and remember there always a margin of error usually +/- 0.1
so your scale could say 100mg but really its like 175mg or it could 50mg. that scale isnt used for weighing anything under grams accurately
theres probably no stronger opiates you could handle 100mg of. it would be unsafe, make you very sick and if its good quality could kill you
if your doing h, start with like a match head size bump, a pea would too big. just to taste it. sure it will probably not fuck you up at all but atleast you will have a guide now to go off of.

and legs means the length it lasts. i got some wicked black tar heroin that had some crazy legs

Sorry I typed the wrong thing.  I own an analytical balance that weighs to 0.0001 g, so I can accurately weigh to 1 mg without a problem.  I really take this kind of stuff seriously...since it's my life.  I'm sure 100 mg would kill me since I'm only 63 kg (140 lbs).  Again, I really appreciate your candid responses.

Edit:  g not mg
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 29, 2013, 03:55 am
ahh ok, yah that scale is sick. that should work perfect.
i would start with like 15-20mgs. that is a perfectly safe dose for you weight. no chances of overdosing or anything. worst case scenario is if your super sensitive and you puke, unlikely tho
this is the IV guide from erowid. you could increase the dose a bit if your sniffing it. and i'm sure this information is based on high quality h

Intravenous Heroin Dosages
    w/ no tolerance   w/ heavy tolerance
Common   5 - 10 mg   20 - 40 mg
Strong   8 - 15 mg   40 - 60 mg
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: oxymd on May 29, 2013, 04:33 am
ahh ok, yah that scale is sick. that should work perfect.
i would start with like 15-20mgs. that is a perfectly safe dose for you weight. no chances of overdosing or anything. worst case scenario is if your super sensitive and you puke, unlikely tho
this is the IV guide from erowid. you could increase the dose a bit if your sniffing it. and i'm sure this information is based on high quality h

Intravenous Heroin Dosages
    w/ no tolerance   w/ heavy tolerance
Common   5 - 10 mg   20 - 40 mg
Strong   8 - 15 mg   40 - 60 mg

Ah thank you!  I saw your drug of choice is also Ketamine...do you prefer it over H?
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 29, 2013, 04:57 am
yah. i used it for almost 15 years. its my drug of choice but i rarely use it now. once twice a month i'll do a little bit. if i go nutty on it i get all the bad physical problems cuz i used i for so long. i dont want to loose my bladder over it lol obviously its not worth it. plus now that i'm older i dont want to be that fucked up all the time. once in a while on a saturday night is fine with me now. it has to be the right brand of k tho, they dont all feel amazing.
you use k?
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: imoscardotcom on May 29, 2013, 04:59 am
You see, Hydromorphone (Dilaudid), produces a stronger rush than even the best H. Also, unlike the high from H, the high from HydroM has NO legs whatsoever. It's basically just a rush. It's like the Cocaine of opiates. You would be much better starting with #4 Heroin and playing around with snorting it for at least a few months before even thinking about IVing.

I disagree, but of course opiates, especially IV, are very subjective. Oxy's are huge, some people prefer Vicodin, etc. I've shot a ton of clean, hospital Dilaudid and the rush is pretty crazy, it just lacks that edge that H has. I do agree though that it doesn't have any legs. Dilaudid is all rush, no duration.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: oxymd on May 29, 2013, 05:28 am
yah. i used it for almost 15 years. its my drug of choice but i rarely use it now. once twice a month i'll do a little bit. if i go nutty on it i get all the bad physical problems cuz i used i for so long. i dont want to loose my bladder over it lol obviously its not worth it. plus now that i'm older i dont want to be that fucked up all the time. once in a while on a saturday night is fine with me now. it has to be the right brand of k tho, they dont all feel amazing.
you use k?

Were you a heavy user or a consistent user or both?  What kind of physical problems do you get?  After one bender I found myself in the ER with a dilated biliary tree and intractable pain and vomiting (I think these are called "K-cramps").  Scared myself straight, thankfully, and limited my use of it. 

I use it sparingly, maybe once or twice a month, but in large doses.  It's very enticing, but I have been able to identify patterns of my behavior that point towards addiction and am able to stop myself.  Ketamine is very much so a more-ish type of drug for me...but all dissociatives are like this for me.  I loved nitrous so much I found myself going through nearly a medical tank of it a week.  I know what you mean by the right brand...there are some that make me very sick, and others that are clean and awesome. 
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: oxymd on May 29, 2013, 05:31 am
You see, Hydromorphone (Dilaudid), produces a stronger rush than even the best H. Also, unlike the high from H, the high from HydroM has NO legs whatsoever. It's basically just a rush. It's like the Cocaine of opiates. You would be much better starting with #4 Heroin and playing around with snorting it for at least a few months before even thinking about IVing.

I disagree, but of course opiates, especially IV, are very subjective. Oxy's are huge, some people prefer Vicodin, etc. I've shot a ton of clean, hospital Dilaudid and the rush is pretty crazy, it just lacks that edge that H has. I do agree though that it doesn't have any legs. Dilaudid is all rush, no duration.

Knowing myself, I think the rush is probably what I'm looking for.  Debating clicking "submit order" for an 8 mg Dilaudid... it's been sitting on my order screen for a few hours.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: imoscardotcom on May 29, 2013, 05:38 am
Knowing myself, I think the rush is probably what I'm looking for.  Debating clicking "submit order" for an 8 mg Dilaudid... it's been sitting on my order screen for a few hours.

I know that exact feeling. That's what got me started. It's the best feeling in the world, better than sex. Just remember: your first time will always be your best and you'll always chase that feeling, but you'll never match it. Be safe my friend.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: oxymd on May 29, 2013, 07:12 pm
Knowing myself, I think the rush is probably what I'm looking for.  Debating clicking "submit order" for an 8 mg Dilaudid... it's been sitting on my order screen for a few hours.

I know that exact feeling. That's what got me started. It's the best feeling in the world, better than sex. Just remember: your first time will always be your best and you'll always chase that feeling, but you'll never match it. Be safe my friend.

Wise words.  I will remember that.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: Darktime on May 29, 2013, 09:08 pm
This is the best advice you could ever get,

Don't start doing opiates.

From someone who has a 18 year old habit,I couldnt have said it better.I wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy!and as for IV 1st time,your probably going to go over and die.Think seriously about how whoever finds your blue body with a needle sticking outta your arm is gonna feel!
Trust me m8,If I could go back in time,the one thing I wouldn't do is opiates.
They fk you up so bad you just cant imagine.Physically,mentally and it doesn't just affect you.It affects all your family,friends,everyone.Its a very selfish thing and when your clucking bad,you will do anything to get some...anything.Imagine you havnt had anything to eat for 5 days and you have no money and cant lend any cash or food...what will you do to stop your guts from rumbling???Thats what its like!!
Please dont do it.There are plenty of other things you can be doing in life.Take it from me,It will own you.You will be opiates biatch!!
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: CUPIDO on May 29, 2013, 09:36 pm
Once you understand what the fuss is about, the opiate goddess already has you. This might sound nice, but she is a bad bitch.

A lot of my friends have tried to join the nod squad part time, but it has always bitten them in the end.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 29, 2013, 10:18 pm
yah. i used it for almost 15 years. its my drug of choice but i rarely use it now. once twice a month i'll do a little bit. if i go nutty on it i get all the bad physical problems cuz i used i for so long. i dont want to loose my bladder over it lol obviously its not worth it. plus now that i'm older i dont want to be that fucked up all the time. once in a while on a saturday night is fine with me now. it has to be the right brand of k tho, they dont all feel amazing.
you use k?

Were you a heavy user or a consistent user or both?  What kind of physical problems do you get?  After one bender I found myself in the ER with a dilated biliary tree and intractable pain and vomiting (I think these are called "K-cramps").  Scared myself straight, thankfully, and limited my use of it. 

I use it sparingly, maybe once or twice a month, but in large doses.  It's very enticing, but I have been able to identify patterns of my behavior that point towards addiction and am able to stop myself.  Ketamine is very much so a more-ish type of drug for me...but all dissociatives are like this for me.  I loved nitrous so much I found myself going through nearly a medical tank of it a week.  I know what you mean by the right brand...there are some that make me very sick, and others that are clean and awesome.

i was a heavy user. 24/7. i didn't even sleep through the night without getting up to rail a gagger.
first i would have to pee all the time. i couldn't hold it in either. it burnt like a motherfucker to piss and after the tip of my dick would be in so much pain i felt like cutting it off. at the beginning the doctors kept thinking it was a UTI or a STI. they would take a sample, give me crazy antibiotics and then phone me a couple days later to tell me the sample came back negative. i kept telling them it was because of the ketamine because so many other ketamine users i knew had the same symptoms but they didnt want to make the connection. then a major university in my city came out with a study linking ketamine to bladder damage. my family doctor told me about it. i was delusional thinking that they could give me medication or something to fix this and then i could just keep using k with no more problems. then solution was to stop using k other eventually loose the bladder and pee into a bag for the rest of my life. i actually still continued using k for a while after that which is pretty disturbed looking back on it. i also got the severe abdominal pains and vomiting attacks. they usually lasted about an hour. probably the most intense pain i have ever felt and anyone who has felt it agrees. its fucking blackout pain. couldnt even speak or breath. only weird moans came out that sounded like a primal animal. i still have no idea why the pain. 2 people i knew went to the hospital and they both got told there gallbladders were severely inflamed. so yah, plus my mind was total mush. i couldnt speak properly and i had a slurry lisp. i was functioning like a mentally handicapped person. ended up getting off the ketamine for 3 years straight. now i dabble but i have no interest in going on binges or using for multiple days at a time. 
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: Shaggy Shaman on May 29, 2013, 11:09 pm
For a syringe filter, try to find a whatman's filter. They go to .03 micron I think. Unless that's too small?
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: Buttercup. on May 29, 2013, 11:47 pm
You're in an enviable position right now. Most people dive in - or blindly stumble into - opiates without laying much groundwork or doing much preparation. You have a great opportunity to do everything you can to reduce the speed which with you'll become dependent (and odds are good that's a when, not if), and to enjoy as many beautifully euphoric highs as you can before the drugs stop working and you find you need them just to feel normal.

You can research this yourself, but both OTC lithium orotate (not the lithium carbonate used to treat bipolar) and magnesium guard against drug dependency and slow down the rate of tolerance. Magnesium also increases the euphoria and analgesic effects of most opiates, so if you've been taking magnesium supplements regularly, and then dose again before your first hit, you'll need less of the drug to feel an effect. And keeping your tolerance low is obviously a good thing. If you can visit a supplement shop and pick up both this early on in your opiate career you'll be much better off.

Look for other potentiators, too. Phenylalanine is good. Basically do whatever you can now to reduce the amount of drug you'll need to get you high. Those with tolerances look with envy upon the naive, and although reducing tolerance after the fact is a bitch, there's plenty you can do in the beginning to keep your tolerance low. Don't squander this opportunity!

Also, do consider starting out with sniffing. Needles get awkward in a hurry, and if you start by sniffing powder you'll have something to move up to later. Insufflating is much more discreet and convenient.

Finally, as others have said, go slow, especially if you're alone. It's easy to do a bump, think that nothing is happening, and then go ahead and do one or two more. Some opiates just come on slowly. If you've done four lines of something that takes 15 minutes to kick in thinking that the stuff isn't strong enough, by the time you feel the first rush it's too late to go back. And although I can definitely imagine worse ways to go, it'd be a little tragic if your first opiate experience ended up being your last.

Other than that, welcome on board...

Btc.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 29, 2013, 11:58 pm
You're in an enviable position right now. Most people dive in - or blindly stumble into - opiates without laying much groundwork or doing much preparation. You have a great opportunity to do everything you can to reduce the speed which with you'll become dependent (and odds are good that's a when, not if), and to enjoy as many beautifully euphoric highs as you can before the drugs stop working and you find you need them just to feel normal.

You can research this yourself, but both OTC lithium orotate (not the lithium carbonate used to treat bipolar) and magnesium guard against drug dependency and slow down the rate of tolerance. Magnesium also increases the euphoria and analgesic effects of most opiates, so if you've been taking magnesium supplements regularly, and then dose again before your first hit, you'll need less of the drug to feel an effect. And keeping your tolerance low is obviously a good thing. If you can visit a supplement shop and pick up both this early on in your opiate career you'll be much better off.

Look for other potentiators, too. Phenylalanine is good. Basically do whatever you can now to reduce the amount of drug you'll need to get you high. Those with tolerances look with envy upon the naive, and although reducing tolerance after the fact is a bitch, there's plenty you can do in the beginning to keep your tolerance low. Don't squander this opportunity!

Also, do consider starting out with sniffing. Needles get awkward in a hurry, and if you start by sniffing powder you'll have something to move up to later. Insufflating is much more discreet and convenient.

Finally, as others have said, go slow, especially if you're alone. It's easy to do a bump, think that nothing is happening, and then go ahead and do one or two more. Some opiates just come on slowly. If you've done four lines of something that takes 15 minutes to kick in thinking that the stuff isn't strong enough, by the time you feel the first rush it's too late to go back. And although I can definitely imagine worse ways to go, it'd be a little tragic if your first opiate experience ended up being your last.

Other than that, welcome on board...

Btc.

cool info, thanks
i did not know that about magnesium. i'm going to look into it
+1
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 30, 2013, 12:00 am
but is it safe to take magnesium supplements regularly without a deficiency?
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: morphineman on May 30, 2013, 01:03 am
i have the best iv tablet on the market. it dissolves in h20 or sub-lingual.  i have h customers who said this is better than any h they used and it has legs lasts for hours. i have 50 mg pure immediate release morphine tablets. prices are better than any other drug that compares, but most do not compare.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: Jack N Hoff on May 30, 2013, 01:17 am
i have the best iv tablet on the market. it dissolves in h20 or sub-lingual.  i have h customers who said this is better than any h they used and it has legs lasts for hours. i have 50 mg pure immediate release morphine tablets. prices are better than any other drug that compares, but most do not compare.

You're trying so hard to talk up your plain old morphine sulfate pills lol.  The blue 100mg immediate release ones are $10 on the street my friend.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: Ashwinder on May 30, 2013, 01:18 am
Opiates...you said in your first post that they're not your favorite thing, so why do you want to try IV if you don't mind me asking?  :o

That's an excellent question, and one I have a hard time answering completely.  It comes down to me having achieved what I want in life at this point, and I just want to feel that feel.  Also, IV as a route of administration is comfortable for me.  If I had chosen another career, I sincerely doubt I would ever consider injecting a drug...but when you do it for a living it doesn't seem like a big deal.
Cool cool, thanks for answering. I'm not gonna tell you not to do it, just seemed like a big risk for someone who's not that into opiates. If you got nauseated with pain medication won't it be worse with IV? (That's not rhetorical, I actually don't know if it would be or not  ???).
It's something I'm tempted by, but that makes sense 'cos any opiate I've tried I've tended to love, I don't seem to get too bad with nausea with pills either. Oxycontin is probably the most physically enjoyable drug I've done...I'm leaving the IV till later though. Much later. Retirement plan  ;)
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: Buttercup. on May 30, 2013, 01:37 am
but is it safe to take magnesium supplements regularly without a deficiency?

Magnesium supplements are pretty safe, and frankly, if you're a regular opiate user, you're crazy NOT to be taking magnesium, because It's unusual to find an opiate addict who is not magnesium deficient: it's a side effect of regular opiate use.

And if you don't believe me, just look at the symptoms of magnesium deficiency: constipation, anxiety, frequent muscle cramping and twitching or soreness, including restless legs, insomnia, etc. Sound familiar? ;) I think pretty much any opiate addict on the planet would recognize these. They just tend to "treat" them with dope instead of Mg.

Even if you're not deficient, magnesium isn't a bad idea. The kidneys filter Mg efficiently, so as long as both of yours are in good working order, you should be fine. Worst case taking too much of the stuff will give you the runs, but if you're a long-time opiate user, you'd probably see that as a benefit. Try it out! I promise you'll thank me.

And to the OP: Zinc is another good one. Regular zinc supplementation slows the development of tolerance to opiates.

(I should probably be citing shit in support of this. Unfortunately it's a huge PITA to have to bounce back and forth between here and the clearnet for references. PM me if you want details.)

Btc.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: personaluse on May 30, 2013, 01:39 am
My experience with -attempting- to IV some coke was terrible - I couldn't get it in the vein and kept skin popping/having my veins leak blood into big baubles over my skin. Yuck.

If you can place IV's well, you're at a good starting point then, though.

My advice (I did extensive research also), is to (a) ensure you use the appropriate wheel filters to make sure you don't give yourself a blood infection or something equally nasty! I can post a guide on how to use the different filters for different meds/street gear if anyone's interested? If you PM me I might be able to sort you out some wheel filters (depending on your location) - I've got a bunch left from my times (unused of course) - we have a very good harm reduction program where I live.

(b)It sounds like you might have access to medical equipment/medications from your initial post. If you can get your hands on some naloxone, get some, and have someone 'babysit' you while you dose. Make sure they know how to administer the narcan first!

(c) Start small - you can always do more next time. Once it's in your veins, there's no turning back. Also - if you do it again with a different batch, please start small again - purity could be different. Seems obvious I know, but many people have died from eyeballing their usual 'dose' when there's no way of properly measuring it.

Good luck, have fun and be careful - I'm glad to have tried slamming once or twice, but I left it at that. I'm not saying you should do the same - that's just what worked for me.

Cheers,

Mr P
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 30, 2013, 03:22 am
i have the best iv tablet on the market. it dissolves in h20 or sub-lingual.  i have h customers who said this is better than any h they used and it has legs lasts for hours. i have 50 mg pure immediate release morphine tablets. prices are better than any other drug that compares, but most do not compare.

You're trying so hard to talk up your plain old morphine sulfate pills lol.  The blue 100mg immediate release ones are $10 on the street my friend.

burn
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 30, 2013, 03:30 am
but is it safe to take magnesium supplements regularly without a deficiency?

Magnesium supplements are pretty safe, and frankly, if you're a regular opiate user, you're crazy NOT to be taking magnesium, because It's unusual to find an opiate addict who is not magnesium deficient: it's a side effect of regular opiate use.

And if you don't believe me, just look at the symptoms of magnesium deficiency: constipation, anxiety, frequent muscle cramping and twitching or soreness, including restless legs, insomnia, etc. Sound familiar? ;) I think pretty much any opiate addict on the planet would recognize these. They just tend to "treat" them with dope instead of Mg.

Even if you're not deficient, magnesium isn't a bad idea. The kidneys filter Mg efficiently, so as long as both of yours are in good working order, you should be fine. Worst case taking too much of the stuff will give you the runs, but if you're a long-time opiate user, you'd probably see that as a benefit. Try it out! I promise you'll thank me.

And to the OP: Zinc is another good one. Regular zinc supplementation slows the development of tolerance to opiates.

(I should probably be citing shit in support of this. Unfortunately it's a huge PITA to have to bounce back and forth between here and the clearnet for references. PM me if you want details.)

Btc.

thanks, yah i'm going to get some for sure
what strength should i take? they always have so many different dosages
now that you said that i remember hearing that magnesium can help with restless legs. thats my worst w/d symptom. right after my last dose starts to wear off i cant sit still and if i dont re-dose it becomes unbearable. sometimes i wake up in the middle of the night with it and no position is comfortable for more then 3 seconds
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: Buttercup. on May 30, 2013, 10:53 am
I'd get the 400mg tablets and then take two every four to six hours; if you start experiencing loose bowels at that point, ease off; if not, or if you don't notice anything, up your dose (I've taken three to four times that and not run into problems). It's not a particularly dangerous mineral, and as long as you're careful in your experimenting you should be fine.

If you search online for "magnesium" and "opiate withdrawals" you should find some good information. And if restless legs (so horrible) are a problem for you, try calcium supplements, too. Both should help. RLS is the worst.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 30, 2013, 09:46 pm
I'd get the 400mg tablets and then take two every four to six hours; if you start experiencing loose bowels at that point, ease off; if not, or if you don't notice anything, up your dose (I've taken three to four times that and not run into problems). It's not a particularly dangerous mineral, and as long as you're careful in your experimenting you should be fine.

If you search online for "magnesium" and "opiate withdrawals" you should find some good information. And if restless legs (so horrible) are a problem for you, try calcium supplements, too. Both should help. RLS is the worst.

wow so 800mg every 4-6 hours everyday? lol i only sleep like 6 hours a day. i'll have to buy the bulk tub.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: ClosetedTravolta on July 19, 2013, 02:57 am
What opiate is gonna give just the best high in terms of feeling warm, happy, calm, blissful?
I would assume IVing H is the ULTIMATE, but i don't wanna get involved with that.
I've done oxy 30's, both ingested and insufflated. but it almost feels like a stimulant, and sometimes makes me nauseous (which is all opiates though).

like if i got dilaudid (hydromorphone), opana (oxymorphone), raw opium, morphine, etc. which one do you think would just be the best high for the above mentioned desired effects?  I want to be able to just chill, feeling happy and awesome after taking something.

some of these have low bio availability, so insufflating is still an option. not willing to IV :(
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: cryngie on July 19, 2013, 03:02 am
If your looking for those affects IVing the only way to go i have been using H for 10+ years and its the best by far unless you can get your hands on Pethidine which is awesome
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: dannymayhem1 on July 22, 2013, 10:11 pm
I have to re-iterate what a really quite bad idea this whole thing is, not even just the conscious decision to start using opiates, which although we have all done, I'm sure many of us really wish we hadn't and we had listened to someone that told us not to do it at the time instead of the usual "It won't happen to me" thing!

If you've never done H then just don't even consider IV'ing it, regardless of the dosage you can't be entirely sure of the purity even from SR and it's just really not something that most people start doing. It's usually what people end up doing to save money and not waste H smoking it because they're addicted and need every crumb they can get not to sick. If you buy some of the higher grade heroin and you have no tolerance pretty much, just smoke it over foil with the top of a bottle cut off so you don't lose too much and you'll be absolutely fucking battered within minutes. Probably rushing, puking and wondering what the fuck just happened! You don't need to IV to get high from H or get a rush!

Plus, and I am not in any way trying to patronise you or tell you what to do, the decisions you make will only affect yourself and not me that's all I'm saying. I have been to enough NA meetings and met some of the smartest people, guys who have been clean 10 years and now own their own business' and drive expensive cars, to realise that if you start fucking with opiates they will get you and they will own you and they will fuck you and take most of if not everything you've got. Doesn't matter how smart or careful you are it just seduces you and before you realise it you're an addict, occasional opiate users are pretty few and far between and we all start off like that. Then the rest of your life you're either on H all the time or in jail or in rehab or just living your life clean thinking about it all the fucking time wishing you had never bothered with that shit in the first place. It fucks people up, I've seen girls I know go from being so hot at 21/22 then going to H and looking about 50 by the time they're 30 and people injecting in their groins to find veins etc.

You make your own decisions in life but my advice would be a resounding "don't bother".
It's really not that special anyway if you ask me and the more you don't even get high any more and then you're graduating to speed balls and we go back to my last paragraph.
Title: Re: New to opiates, looking for some advice
Post by: cryngie on July 22, 2013, 10:40 pm
I have to re-iterate what a really quite bad idea this whole thing is, not even just the conscious decision to start using opiates, which although we have all done, I'm sure many of us really wish we hadn't and we had listened to someone that told us not to do it at the time instead of the usual "It won't happen to me" thing!

If you've never done H then just don't even consider IV'ing it, regardless of the dosage you can't be entirely sure of the purity even from SR and it's just really not something that most people start doing. It's usually what people end up doing to save money and not waste H smoking it because they're addicted and need every crumb they can get not to sick. If you buy some of the higher grade heroin and you have no tolerance pretty much, just smoke it over foil with the top of a bottle cut off so you don't lose too much and you'll be absolutely fucking battered within minutes. Probably rushing, puking and wondering what the fuck just happened! You don't need to IV to get high from H or get a rush!

Plus, and I am not in any way trying to patronise you or tell you what to do, the decisions you make will only affect yourself and not me that's all I'm saying. I have been to enough NA meetings and met some of the smartest people, guys who have been clean 10 years and now own their own business' and drive expensive cars, to realise that if you start fucking with opiates they will get you and they will own you and they will fuck you and take most of if not everything you've got. Doesn't matter how smart or careful you are it just seduces you and before you realise it you're an addict, occasional opiate users are pretty few and far between and we all start off like that. Then the rest of your life you're either on H all the time or in jail or in rehab or just living your life clean thinking about it all the fucking time wishing you had never bothered with that shit in the first place. It fucks people up, I've seen girls I know go from being so hot at 21/22 then going to H and looking about 50 by the time they're 30 and people injecting in their groins to find veins etc.

You make your own decisions in life but my advice would be a resounding "don't bother".
It's really not that special anyway if you ask me and the more you don't even get high any more and then you're graduating to speed balls and we go back to my last paragraph.

Just so you are aware i started using heroin over 10 years ago i have never smoked it and will never and i only know 2 people who have/do smoke it

I have worked full time whilst using never stole lied or cheated to get high. I own and operate my own business and have done for the last year
It is always the people who dont like it who are so against it. The first time i used was fantastic the best high ive ever had and there really isnt a drug i havent tried
By saying by some higher grade heroin to smoke you mean #3 cause #4 wont smoke properly unless you add caffine to it @1:3
Yes i have seen horrible junkies but i have seen junkies on every drug meth, coke even fucking pot and ill tell you meth fucks you up 100 times worse then heroin
People who inject in their groins cause they cant find a vein is because they have injected pills and it has fuck their veins i know people who have used heroin for over 30 years and are still using the same vein they started on
Every one has different tastes some like up some like down im sure op has heard all the scary stories about heroin "ABUSE" but prob still wants to try as other drugs dont do it for them thats why i try and answer their question