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Market => Product requests => Topic started by: robotzombies on November 25, 2012, 10:26 pm
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As the title suggests, I am looking for needlepoint quality LSD. I have been buying acid from SR for almost a year now, and I have been disappointed every single time(7 LSD purchases total, from 7 different vendors). I always try to buy the highest quality that SR has to offer, but tabs that are 90% and even ~93% pure leave me disappointed. The only times I've been happy with my experiences are when it's extremely high quality crystal, basically needlepoint. Anything lower and I just get too many undesirable side effects that simply ruin the trip. This is never an issue with needlepoint though. NP always gives me clean, strong, beautiful trips. Every time. The side effects are minimal to non-existent with NP in my experience. Another thing is that as the quality decreases, the spiritual element decreases too, which is really disappointing, because that's one of the main reasons I trip in the first place. This is of course my personal experience, not the end-all-be-all when it comes to the quality of the acid and how that relates to the trip.
Just for clarification, when I say needlepoint, I mean 98%+ pure LSD. I know that some people consider 95%+ to be needlepoint, but I'm not looking to buy LSD that's less than 98%. I'm looking for the best of the best here as far as purity goes. If someone could sell me some needlepoint that would be awesome. If anyone can point me in the right direction as to where I might be able to find needlepoint, that would be awesome as well. It's been 3 years since I've been able to have a needlepoint experience, and at this point, there's nothing that I want more. So pure and beautiful. :)
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I've only heard of 1 batch of real needlepoint that was agreed by most to actually be needlepoint, and that was in spring/summer 2011. Since then I don't think those who make needlepoint have really been active, as needlepoint is usually made in a professional lab and then diverted and as such, is usually only available in very small amounts to a very select group of people.
White fluff is argued by many to be just as good and more common.
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I've only heard of 1 batch of real needlepoint that was agreed by most to actually be needlepoint, and that was in spring/summer 2011. Since then I don't think those who make needlepoint have really been active, as needlepoint is usually made in a professional lab and then diverted and as such, is usually only available in very small amounts to a very select group of people.
White fluff is argued by many to be just as good and more common.
I think the real issue with finding needlepoint is that it isn't profitable to make, hence not seeing it very often. It isn't necessary to have a professional lab to make needlepoint though, really it's just an issue of purifying the crystal more, which means you lose product and thus profit.
When you say that you saw a batch of legitimate NP back in spring/summer 2011, was that here on SR, or on the streets?
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i had some eggshell xtayl listed a while ago that was compared to all of the needlepoint that was floating around at the time. that being said... i typically take all of the needlepoint, fluff, swiss, etc talk with a grain of salt. there are some out there that may truly have close to pure lsd but who really knows. if you think about it, the term itself is kinda off:
lsd's molecular weight is 323.43 g/mol (323.43 (grams / mole) mcg = 3.2343 × 10-10 kg2 / mol)
assuming no stabalizing salts... which according to erowid would put lsd tartrate @ around 398.485 g/mol. so i will quote:
We restate the molecular weight more mathematically as 398.485 g/mol. We want the answer in the form of molecules per mass (not mass per molecule as it is now), so we turn the fraction on its head. That is 1/398.485 mol/g, which is .002509504749 mol/g. Since we want to end up with micrograms as our unit, we divide by 1,000,000 (one million micrograms per gram) or, equivalently, multiply by 10^-6. So that is .002509504749 x 10^-6 mol/ug (mols per microgram).
We'll round this and restate this as: 2.51 x 10^-9 mol per microgram. Then we take Avogadro's Number (6.02214199 x 10^23), which is the number of molecules per mol, and multiply the two together: 2.51 x 10^-9 times 6.02214199 x 10^23 to get around 1.511 x 10^15.
For symmetry and human memory's sake, we can simplify this to 1.5x10^15 molecules LSD tartrate per microgram. That is 1,500,000,000,000,000 or 1.5 quadrillion molecules of LSD tartrate per microgram.
To get how many molecules there are in 100ug, one simply multiplies by 100 to get 1.5x10^17 or 150 quadrillion molecules of LSD.
roughly 5 trillion molecules can fit on the head of a 1mm pin... granted there are a lot of circumstances that change the number but not as drastic as into the quadrillions. so i think it'd be safe to assume that the amount of lsd that could be laid with the head of a needle's point would be less than adequate. so really, all lsd could be considered needlepoint given the name. however not all falls under the whole "95%" pure ordeal, but then again unless you're sourcing it from the chemist you're probably not going to ever truly know.
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You said it's been three years? Didn't someone send you some last spring as a gift? I thought I read that. How did that turn out?
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You said it's been three years? Didn't someone send you some last spring as a gift? I thought I read that. How did that turn out?
Nope, he never came through. Never sent me anything. Still looking. :)
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Did you ever sample any of my L? If you have and think it's sub-par compared to needlepoint or whatever is out there that could be better, I'd like to hear your opinions on how the experience is different. Honestly. I'm never one to advocate crystal quality snobbishness but I've always gotten really good reviews about the quality of my L. I take it for granted because this is the only L I've had for at least 2 years and I've never been an acid snob. I'm like Christian Bale in that doing coke in the bathroom scene in American Psycho... "If think we do enough of it, we'll be OK." I've always been a firm believer that the non-LSD by-products that may find their way into the mix are of little to no consequence, but I'm surrounded by people who insist that this is not the case and that purity is very important. I don't know. I just wish I had time to actually get spun.
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Sorry guys, hate to burst your bubble but the only needlepoint in the world was produced by Nick Sands from 60s-2000s. He had centuries of experience and was totally anal about purity. His shit tested higher than 100% because the DEA standards were less pure than his.
Anyway dont get your hopes up on this God level LSD coming back around unless one of you buy my LSD guides and make your own.
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i had some eggshell xtayl listed a while ago that was compared to all of the needlepoint that was floating around at the time. that being said... i typically take all of the needlepoint, fluff, swiss, etc talk with a grain of salt. there are some out there that may truly have close to pure lsd but who really knows. if you think about it, the term itself is kinda off:
lsd's molecular weight is 323.43 g/mol (323.43 (grams / mole) mcg = 3.2343 × 10-10 kg2 / mol)
assuming no stabalizing salts... which according to erowid would put lsd tartrate @ around 398.485 g/mol. so i will quote:
We restate the molecular weight more mathematically as 398.485 g/mol. We want the answer in the form of molecules per mass (not mass per molecule as it is now), so we turn the fraction on its head. That is 1/398.485 mol/g, which is .002509504749 mol/g. Since we want to end up with micrograms as our unit, we divide by 1,000,000 (one million micrograms per gram) or, equivalently, multiply by 10^-6. So that is .002509504749 x 10^-6 mol/ug (mols per microgram).
We'll round this and restate this as: 2.51 x 10^-9 mol per microgram. Then we take Avogadro's Number (6.02214199 x 10^23), which is the number of molecules per mol, and multiply the two together: 2.51 x 10^-9 times 6.02214199 x 10^23 to get around 1.511 x 10^15.
For symmetry and human memory's sake, we can simplify this to 1.5x10^15 molecules LSD tartrate per microgram. That is 1,500,000,000,000,000 or 1.5 quadrillion molecules of LSD tartrate per microgram.
To get how many molecules there are in 100ug, one simply multiplies by 100 to get 1.5x10^17 or 150 quadrillion molecules of LSD.
roughly 5 trillion molecules can fit on the head of a 1mm pin... granted there are a lot of circumstances that change the number but not as drastic as into the quadrillions. so i think it'd be safe to assume that the amount of lsd that could be laid with the head of a needle's point would be less than adequate. so really, all lsd could be considered needlepoint given the name. however not all falls under the whole "95%" pure ordeal, but then again unless you're sourcing it from the chemist you're probably not going to ever truly know.
Wow I didn't know that needlepoint actually meant that it was laid with the head of a needle's point. Very accurate name for it I guess, heh. All I do know though man, is that I notice huge differences in the LSD experience from batch to batch, and I've concluded that it's all about purity.
You're right on though about taking the terms needlepoint, fluff, family, etc with a grain of salt. People will be selling amber but advertising it as "bomb ass family fluff laid by Timothy Leary!!" Very frustrating.
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there is some "swiss needlepoint" being sold right now... really depends if you trust it well enough or not. he seems like a new vendor, perhaps he's down for sending out some samples.
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Did you ever sample any of my L? If you have and think it's sub-par compared to needlepoint or whatever is out there that could be better, I'd like to hear your opinions on how the experience is different. Honestly. I'm never one to advocate crystal quality snobbishness but I've always gotten really good reviews about the quality of my L. I take it for granted because this is the only L I've had for at least 2 years and I've never been an acid snob. I'm like Christian Bale in that doing coke in the bathroom scene in American Psycho... "If think we do enough of it, we'll be OK." I've always been a firm believer that the non-LSD by-products that may find their way into the mix are of little to no consequence, but I'm surrounded by people who insist that this is not the case and that purity is very important. I don't know. I just wish I had time to actually get spun.
I hate to say this man, but I actually have sampled your LSD, and it just wasn't on the same level as needlepoint I've had in the past. Just being brutally honest here, and since most people here are happy with your acid I feel like that's ok. I actually remember your tabs specifically, and I could tell it was definitely LSD, but something was missing. The magic, the bliss, just wasn't there. When I have NP quality...it's simply beyond words. Indescribable. Whenever I take NP, I am just fucking...blown away. I feel like I have been refreshed and renewed to the very core of my being. Just to exist and to breathe is blissful with NP. I am filled with a very deep and profound happiness. With anything less than NP though, in my experience, that magic is gone. I get some visuals, and I'm definitely tripping, but it's just not the same. I could tell your stuff was high quality, at least 90%, probably a little higher, but I'm looking for as close to 99.99% as I can get.
Edit: I noticed that someone gave me some bad karma recently, and it was probably because of this post. So let me just say this. I apologize if I'm coming off as an 'acid snob', but I'm only doing this because I'm just not satisfied with crystal that's not top-shelf. It's something that I have no control over guys. I wish that I could just come on here and buy some acid and then have amazing trips, but that just isn't what's happening.
And again DE, I could tell that your stuff was high quality, and that's why everyone likes it, but my body's biochemistry must be slightly different that everyone else, because the only LSD that really does the job for me is NP. To anyone of DE's fanboys here, sorry, I'm not trying to knock DE, but he asked and I just answered honestly.
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Sorry guys, hate to burst your bubble but the only needlepoint in the world was produced by Nick Sands from 60s-2000s. He had centuries of experience and was totally anal about purity. His shit tested higher than 100% because the DEA standards were less pure than his.
Anyway dont get your hopes up on this God level LSD coming back around unless one of you buy my LSD guides and make your own.
listen to this man
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there is some "swiss needlepoint" being sold right now... really depends if you trust it well enough or not. he seems like a new vendor, perhaps he's down for sending out some samples.
Yeah I saw that man, but I really doubt that it's legitimate needlepoint. It even says on the page, it's 93% pure, which isn't needlepoint. Sitdown, another member here, actually called that guy out on his inappropriate use of the term needlepoint.
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Sorry guys, hate to burst your bubble but the only needlepoint in the world was produced by Nick Sands from 60s-2000s. He had centuries of experience and was totally anal about purity. His shit tested higher than 100% because the DEA standards were less pure than his.
Anyway dont get your hopes up on this God level LSD coming back around unless one of you buy my LSD guides and make your own.
NP is definitely very rare, but are you sure Sands' lab was the only one in the world producing it? I realize you are very knowledgeable on this topic, and I only say this because what you said conflicts with my personal experience. I have had NP as recently as 2009, and Sands was busted is 1996, so it probably wasn't from his lab.
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Dear Mr. Robot,
Nostalgia is a bitch. We long for the comfort of whats "known", we forget the problems of the past. We forget the terrible things we did, we forget the feelings of distrust, we forget the troubles. We obsess on finding something that never happened simply because we choose or were forced to forget. The world has no answers, there is no one riddle that unlocks the gate. We get older, we get stronger, we forget, we love, we get weaker, we learn, we get confused, we strive for better, but in the end we all are.
You have a problem with what has occurred, the purist LSD will not fix it. It is time we seek new ways old friend.
On this path we will meet, others the same, be sure I'll tip my hat.
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Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt, mainly because I'm rolling my balls of on Envious Canadian Sand, eh...
I've seen some hocus pocus nonsense new-age books showing (water crystals?) in a high powered magnifying glass after someone meditated on a specific word with each sample. The book showed how disgusting a bad thought could look like, and how beautiful a good thought could look. I don't fucking know, okay, look it up. Shit.
Anyways
I think you need to just fucking show your doses some love and good energy. I'm not a hippy, guys, I fucking swear.
I read some nonsense that might be true about Bear Owsley holding the reaction chamber and sending good vibes.
Pay JesusofRave extra to do this for you, or maybe Del Ellis will do it for free. :)
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Dear Mr. Robot,
Nostalgia is a bitch. We long for the comfort of whats "known", we forget the problems of the past. We forget the terrible things we did, we forget the feelings of distrust, we forget the troubles. We obsess on finding something that never happened simply because we choose or were forced to forget. The world has no answers, there is no one riddle that unlocks the gate. We get older, we get stronger, we forget, we love, we get weaker, we learn, we get confused, we strive for better, but in the end we all are.
You have a problem with what has occurred, the purist LSD will not fix it. It is time we seek new ways old friend.
On this path we will meet, others the same, be sure I'll tip my hat.
I appreciate the thoughtful post raven, and it certainly makes me think about my quest for NP.
However, I am the kind of person that once I get something in my head, that's it. There's simply no stopping or giving up until I'm satisfied.
In my mind, there's a good chance that you're right and that the purest LSD won't fix the problem, but I just can't ignore my previous experience with NP. It's life changing, and I simply can't stop until I have it again. If, after taking what I'm 100% certain to be NP, I'm still unsatisfied, then the quest for LSD will come to an end and the next chapter of my life will begin. It's a scary thought though, that NP isn't going to really help me out. Something I'd rather not think about TBH.
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Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt, mainly because I'm rolling my balls of on Envious Canadian Sand, eh...
I've seen some hocus pocus nonsense new-age books showing (water crystals?) in a high powered magnifying glass after someone meditated on a specific word with each sample. The book showed how disgusting a bad thought could look like, and how beautiful a good thought could look. I don't fucking know, okay, look it up. Shit.
Anyways
I think you need to just fucking show your doses some love and good energy. I'm not a hippy, guys, I fucking swear.
I read some nonsense that might be true about Bear Owsley holding the reaction chamber and sending good vibes.
Pay JesusofRave extra to do this for you, or maybe Del Ellis will do it for free. :)
I've read about the water crystals too man, lol.
IDK though man, I mean, every time I trip, the set and setting is right. I'm in a comfortable, familiar place, alone(this is how I almost always trip, and I have had incredible experiences alone), I have good music ready, lots of water, vitamin C, fruit, etc., and yet the trip is still a disappointment nearly every time, the exception being times I have NP. Of all the times I took NP, which was maybe 10 times, there was not one time where I wasn't 100% satisfied. And then whenever I don't have NP, it's a bummer. I don't know what else to think at this point other than it's the purity of the LSD that's the issue.
Really the only way for me to find out is by taking NP again.
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DrDeepWood or whomever else is qualified to answer this. If one were to buy that googleeyed xtal LSD, is it a complicated process to wash?
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DrDeepWood or whomever else is qualified to answer this. If one were to buy that googleeyed xtal LSD, is it a complicated process to wash?
if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't be messing with raw or even trying to wash it. iirc it's "rose" which who knows the purity of that for real, and you'll more than likely destroy the product in the process. if you were to buy it you should be happy enough of the fact that you have raw anyway.
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Bump, because I'm still looking and because these fucking spammers are pushing my thread back a few pages.
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This posting seems so reminiscent of my high end audio days where the type of cable (both interconnects and speaker wire) and even things to keep the cable off the ground were supposed to make mega differences in the purity and tactility of the sound field. I am not dismissing your experiences Robot, but am of the opinion that placebo is pretty powerful medicine. So I guess on those instances how did you know it was NP (the term of course being derived from the super sharp and whisker like crystals when done just so) and not something else w/o having seen the crystal itself? I am certainly no LSD guru but have done my share, from the sublime to the piss poor and at least for me there is a point where the quality is so good--say 90% plus (tho I have no benchmark for this number, just a reasonable guess) that additional purity seems to make little if any difference. At that point it is all about dosage, set and setting.
BTW, in the end there was a huge reward put up (by James Randi I think) for anyone who could reliably detect the difference between two amplifiers that were both deemed competent in terms of basic performance and level matched--here the analog would be dosage matched). Many of these golden eared types take it as the gospel that amps make huge difference to the sound--way more than cables--many have taken the challenge, yet none hast claimed the prize. So not to stretch the point as there is a huge difference between listening to a stereo kit, however high rez, and ingesting a mind altering substance, but as a psychiatrist am reminded that 35% of those that respond to antidepressants are placebo effects.
Best of luck in your quest for the holy grail of pschedelics, and by all means do share should you come across some. ;)
LL
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Truthfully dude, I'd be happy to get my hands on some fluff. There was a large wave of this shit going around in the early 2000's when The Dead started touring regularly again. God, that was some great stuff and the blotter art was equally awesome (Fractals, Tim Leary, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Flying eyeballs, etc.). Nothing like having tie-dye vision for 10-12 hours :o. Anywho, It was consistent for about a year or so, and then just disappeared. I haven't eaten anything that could hold a candle to that stuff since then. I've eaten shit that people claimed was NP and fluff, but it just was not the same quality. If you don't know who's laying the shit, or don't know someone who has firsthand contact, don't believe what they breathe. I don't think it's worth ordering doses off SR, but that's just my personal opinion. Cheers!
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yo robot i may be able to help you out with some good head stash very soon. let me test this weekend though.
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yo robot i may be able to help you out with some good head stash very soon. let me test this weekend though.
Fill me in too?
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yo robot i may be able to help you out with some good head stash very soon. let me test this weekend though.
Fill me in too?
Me too!
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tag for if and when robot ever finds the needlepoint in the haystack
On a side note I just ordered some of Tessellated's lsd which he said was laid with silver xtal. So definitely not needlepoint but most assuredly will be good enough for me :)