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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: Skkky on October 08, 2013, 12:15 am
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Theres been a lot of main stream media promoting Sheep and you have to ask WHY?? Just Google "Sheep Market" and see how many articles and reports are available basically promoting it. This can be the biggest bust in history if this site is run by FEDs.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-04/goodbye-silk-road-hello-sheep-marketplace.html
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assuming you encrypt your addy.. and dont use encryption the site provides (like bmr i think?) should be fine....
unless they have some way to extract your real IP... but people shouldn't be on their own connections anyways..
I like sheep heaps better than bmr.. espeacilly the site layout.. its very SR-ish. BMR is just a mess..
but I am jaded as I had issues with my first deposit.. and now I think its down for a few days for upgrades or something..
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Um, Sheep is loading faster then ever? It is not down for upgrades? It is an AWESOME site. WAY better then fucking Ghetto BMR. BMR's interface SUCKS. It is not user friendly at all, sheeps is EXACTLY like SilkRoads, they even have Escrow features I like BETTER then SR's and then only charge like 3.8% commission! No offense, but your an idiot if you think the feds could set this up. What if everyone PGP encrypts their address? Do you not understand how TOR and hidden services work? If the feds set up an online market where you could purchase drugs that would be ENTRAPMENT. AND THEY CAN'T TRACK YOU THROUGH THE TOR NETWORK SO IF THE FEDS WERE GONNA SET UP A HONEYPOT, IT WOULD BE ON THE CLEARNET AND ONLY MORONS WOULD FALL FOR THAT! .ONION PROTECTS ALL TRAFFIC GOING TO AND FROM THE SITE! SR GOT SHUT DOWN BECAUSE DPR SLIPPED UP IN SOME VERY FUCKING STUPID WAYS, NOT BECAUSE OF BTC OR THE TOR NETWORK!
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Sheep doesn't have escrow?
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Um, Sheep is loading faster then ever? It is not down for upgrades? It is an AWESOME site. WAY better then fucking Ghetto BMR. BMR's interface SUCKS. It is not user friendly at all, sheeps is EXACTLY like SilkRoads, they even have Escrow features I like BETTER then SR's and then only charge like 3.8% commission! No offense, but your an idiot if you think the feds could set this up. What if everyone PGP encrypts their address? Do you not understand how TOR and hidden services work? If the feds set up an online market where you could purchase drugs that would be ENTRAPMENT. AND THEY CAN'T TRACK YOU THROUGH THE TOR NETWORK SO IF THE FEDS WERE GONNA SET UP A HONEYPOT, IT WOULD BE ON THE CLEARNET AND ONLY MORONS WOULD FALL FOR THAT! .ONION PROTECTS ALL TRAFFIC GOING TO AND FROM THE SITE! SR GOT SHUT DOWN BECAUSE DPR SLIPPED UP IN SOME VERY FUCKING STUPID WAYS, NOT BECAUSE OF BTC OR THE TOR NETWORK!
They could set it up with a bug to infiltrate the TBB of users. Then they could have access to literally everything on your computer. This is how they attack TOR users. They haven't had much success with the network. Either way, words like entrapment and the law mean nothing to the NSA. Don't be so naive.
@ Skkky, Sheep does have escrow. A lot of people seem to think it does though. I really amn't sure if they really know what they're doing however. When I asked support if they had a coin tumbler/mixer earlier, they asked me to explain what one was. Nuff said, really.
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The ignorance on this thread is staggering.
I am in support of OP. While I'm all for giving new markets a shot, sheep is obviously sketchy. I have been in the know about most alternative markets since SR has been up, and I didn't hear of sheep until the day of the shutdown.
-Sheep does not even have a tumblr - easy way to try to track vendors. I bet a lot of vendors will be stupid and send their coins to a Gox account to hold the cash until they can cash out, and right when they do that, boom, easly identifiable by FBI.
-Just look at the name? Sheep? The epitome of gullibility.
-It has barely been around for very long and likely has been yet to be discovered bugs and security flaws. Sure yeah PGP can protect buyers, but you can be sure not all buyers will use PGP.
-Need I say more, it feels way more sketch than BMR. Anyone who uses it inspite of these issues above should rethink their security. Of course vendors don't have much to lose besides funds in Escrow... but you know, the FBI could just decide to fuck people out of money with this site if they wanted to(assuming it is theres.
Why BMR is better:
-Currently has the majority of Vendors and Buyers.
-Been around way longer. More funds to work with = more security = active administration team of non-mods. DPR didn't get caught because he had FBI people on his team nor because his site wasn't secure, he was just stupid(assumming it was DPR that got caught). Sheep hasn't even been around long enough to know if the security good and nobody knows fuck all about the people running it.
-Most trustworthy vibe/community.
-Doing constant and activate updates
I'm just saying. I've looked at both sites and it's obvious to me sheep is far inferior and seemingly less trustworthy. The fact of it's name and the fact that it popped out of nowhere practically days(or on the day) or the shutdown is suspicious. The choice is obvious to me. I think anyone who uses sheep is simply retarded.
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The ignorance on this thread is staggering.
I am in support of OP. While I'm all for giving new markets a shot, sheep is obviously sketchy. I have been in the know about most alternative markets since SR has been up, and I didn't hear of sheep until the day of the shutdown.
-Sheep does not even have a tumblr - easy way to try to track vendors. I bet a lot of vendors will be stupid and send their coins to a Gox account to hold the cash until they can cash out, and right when they do that, boom, easly identifiable by FBI.
-Just look at the name? Sheep? The epitome of gullibility.
-It has barely been around for very long and likely has been yet to be discovered bugs and security flaws. Sure yeah PGP can protect buyers, but you can be sure not all buyers will use PGP.
-Need I say more, it feels way more sketch than BMR. Anyone who uses it inspite of these issues above should rethink their security. Of course vendors don't have much to lose besides funds in Escrow... but you know, the FBI could just decide to fuck people out of money with this site if they wanted to(assuming it is theres.
Why BMR is better:
-Currently has the majority of Vendors and Buyers.
-Been around way longer. More funds to work with = more security = active administration team of non-mods. DPR didn't get caught because he had FBI people on his team nor because his site wasn't secure, he was just stupid(assumming it was DPR that got caught). Sheep hasn't even been around long enough to know if the security good and nobody knows fuck all about the people running it.
-Most trustworthy vibe/community.
-Doing constant and activate updates
I'm just saying. I've looked at both sites and it's obvious to me sheep is far inferior and seemingly less trustworthy. The fact of it's name and the fact that it popped out of nowhere practically days(or on the day) or the shutdown is suspicious. The choice is obvious to me. I think anyone who uses sheep is simply retarded.
Sheep has been around since before Atlantis...just wasn't used much. Then again, you probably never were good at your homework either !!!
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Sheep did not come out the day SR was shut down... it just became popular on that day for obvious reasons.
It was around well before the shutdown, not as long as bmr, but it didn't just spring up as a result of what happened here at SR.
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Well i checked again and sheep DOES NOT HAVE ESCROW!! If that isn't bad enough, people post that sheep has been around for ever, but never implemented escrow?
Honestly, I'd love to know why you would even risk SHEEP when BMR has already proven it self?
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pretty sure it has escrow..... when you order something you have various options in regards to raising a complaint or finalizing etc.
also this is from the help page
"15) See the Orders. The order has been submitted and is in transit. If 21 days inactive customer automatically receives money vendor."
that would imply their is escrow....
*edit* LOL II read what I pasted from the help page a number of times... over and over.. and yeah.. its err.. open to interpretation but it sounds like its saying if the customer is inactive the vendor gets the money.. same as SR... i.e auto finalize...
I think the problem is just english may not be the first language.
where/why are you saying no escrow ?? what are you looking at ?
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I think language barrier is most definately an issue with the Sheep folks. Noticed other grammatical anomalies and confusing statements. If they really do have escrow fo sho, then I might be game... Their interface is must less of a clusterfuck than BMR, I hate searching that site.
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Well i checked again and sheep DOES NOT HAVE ESCROW!! If that isn't bad enough, people post that sheep has been around for ever, but never implemented escrow?
Honestly, I'd love to know why you would even risk SHEEP when BMR has already proven it self?
YES...they do. This is straight from the site, under Sheep News -
Dear users of sheep marketplace,
i am one of new moderators on sheep marketplace forums. There is a lot of questions on forums and I tried to ask to most of them the site Admin of sheep marketplace for you.
What was main focus of sheep marketplace team last days ?
improve performance of servers
bug fixes
add new search filters
domestic search
add few more categories
improvements to the gui and site code
and a lot of support tickets :)
Does sheep marketplace use escrow?
Yes we do use escrow, its the main point of sheep marketplace.
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Let me be really clear about something.
All of these sites are run by the fucking feds! The bigger vendors are the ones making room in the evidence room. Didn't anybody see where the cia took over the coke market in America? The people getting busted are major players. Fuck!
And back copy can stick that coin where the sun dont shine
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Well i checked again and sheep DOES NOT HAVE ESCROW!! If that isn't bad enough, people post that sheep has been around for ever, but never implemented escrow?
Honestly, I'd love to know why you would even risk SHEEP when BMR has already proven it self?
The only thing BMR has proven is that there are a bunch of scammers on that site that are just waiting to take you for a ride. Good luck with that !!
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BMR AND Sheep have scammers, over time they will raise vendor prices, but most vendors dont have $600 to gamble at the moment to get on a market that they do not know will succeed or not after all the money was seized. You will get scammed on BMR, The road, or sheep if you do not practice safe buying. that is why there is ESCROW! it is the best security, if you FE, you should not be buying anything unless the vendor is well known. please understand bmr is a great place, not as flashy and not as many pretty lights as sheep, but look at SR. If you pick sheep because of its interface, you deserve to go down with that ship. 99% of vendors prefer BMR, and i have been the BMR spokesman as i have been around since BMR came up, it was always the fallback plan, now the gullible heard over to sheep because of a fancy design instead of looking at the important things, like not loosing money or going to jail. BMR will improve, sheep will crash. Think of how many markets we have seen recently? how many have made it? 1... BMR. Good luck guys, especially if you trust sheep, i will not be found there.
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Everyone needs to give sheep a chance. All I have heard the last few days is "oh the feds run this, the feds run that". To be honest they probably are not running anything! Just the fact that the sheep supports first language is not English is enough for me to believe its not the Feds. Also sheep does have escrow. Got some green off the Herbalist on Saturday and it arrived Monday. It is a little confusing the escrow system but works fine.
Just give it a chance. Bmr looks like something my nephew designed. Terrible interface, it was enough for me not to join.
Also some of the vendors have been registered on Sheep for 6 months so its not just popped in the last week. Be interesting to see the updates on bmr, surely they need to address the interface? Anyway time will tell.
Stay safe brothers,
ProEvo
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who cares which people use.
in alot of threads it looks like people are working for each of the sites trying to scare you into using the other.
if a vendor is on bmr and i require said item.. I shall use bmr...
if a vendor is on sheep and i require said item.. i shall use sheep...
if a vendor is on both sheep and bmr and i require said item... hmm... ummm... errr
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who cares which people use.
in alot of threads it looks like people are working for each of the sites trying to scare you into using the other.
if a vendor is on bmr and i require said item.. I shall use bmr...
if a vendor is on sheep and i require said item.. i shall use sheep...
if a vendor is on both sheep and bmr and i require said item... hmm... ummm... errr
Well said. +1!
It's too soon to say which is 'best'. I had heard of sheep before The Fall, but hadn't been there... hadn't been to BMR either though....
I am a little wary of Deepbay, but only because they were all over this thread like thrush the day after the takedown - transparent desperation. It could be that they were simply doing no business and needed the commerce badly, or it could be more sinister than that... we'll see....
The bottom line is this; these market places ONLY work because you don't NEED to trust the website owner. I didn't trust SR any more than I trust Sheep, BMR, or Deepbay now, when I first started. But if you always use PGP/GPG, if you use TOR correctly, if you get you delivery system tight, then it's FAR less risky than street-deals and I don't see what the FBI or any other LE would get out of running them - they wouldn't get any busts. They didn't even bust DPR through technological hacking, but through classic detective work.
Also, I don't think that the people running a market not being from an English-speaking country is an issue. I'm not racist, and I do alot of business with non English-as-first-language people IRL. It may even be a bonus, since the FBI clearly had a much easier time nabbing DPR as he was in the USA. My biggest problem with them is they seem to have no kind of idealistic/political views about what they're doing; no statement of purpose or mission statement or anything. I enjoyed the fact that DPR wasn't JUST running a black-market, it felt more political than that. BMR, Sheep, and Deepbay, just do not feel as radical, just much more mercenary.
Right now none really stand out. All have pros, all have cons. Only time will tell how it pans out...
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I LOVE how that one guy who said he would never be found there now has it in his profile sig that he is a vendor there! LOL SHEEP IS AWESOME! They speak good enough english, today when dealing with support it didn't sound broken at all and I HIGHLY doubt they are in the USA which was BY FAR DPR's fucking most stupid mistake.
NO ONE LIKES BMR! SHEEP HAD LIKE 70 DRUG LISTINGS BEFORE THE ROAD WENT DOWN NOW IT IS CATCHING UP TO BMR AND GUESS WHAT? SHEEP LOADS GREAT AND BMR HAD TO NOT LET ANYONE ON THE SITE BECAUSE THEIR SERVERS WERE SO FUCKING SHITTY BEFORE THE ROAD WENT, YOU ACTUALLY THINK THERE GONNA HOLD UP? THEY HAVE TONS OF UPGRADING TO DO BUT FOR NOW SHEEP IS WINNING. I HAVE LITERALLY GOT MORE THEN 10x THE BUSINESS ON SHEEP THEN BMR BECAUSE LIKE SOMEONE ELSE SAID, A FUCKING KID COULD DESIGN THAT PIECE OF SHIT INTERFACE! PEOPLE ARE TRUSTING SHEEP MORE WHICH IS PATHETIC BECAUSE BMR HAS BEEN AROUND SO LONG BUT IT FUCKING SUCKS! THE FEDS CAN'T SET UP SITES LIKE THIS, I AM SORRY BUT YOU GUYS ARE MORONS FOR THINKING THEY WOULD AS WHAT COULD THEY ACCOMPLISH? BUST THE BUYERS TOO STUPID TO USE PGP AND ALL THOSE BUYERS ARE ORDERING SHIT WORTH LESS THEN A FEW HUNDRED BUCKS! YOU THINK THEY GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THAT?!
SHEEP IS WHERE ITS AT!!
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so my first order from sheep arrived just now :)
in regards to my BMR experience.. I'm still waiting for 1.7 BTC I deposited into my account to show up...
its been like 2-3 days now.. no response from support, admins or anyone.
sheep is def my fav and trusted one atm
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" i have been the BMR spokesman as i have been around since BMR came up "
Exactly !!! No one-sided there.........