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Title: Bad Canadian MDMA (Long winded and may belong in harm reduction - my apologies)
Post by: ChaxChax on February 04, 2012, 11:52 am
Hi All. I am relatively new new here (6 months?).  But I'm an experienced psychonaut with all the usual suspects: Dexi, Benzos, Barbs, Yayo, all opiates including percs/dems/dillies, even DODA, (but never H.), most hallucinogens including Lucy/Peyote/the Psilocin and DMT variants, but I am a complete newb re: the newer party drugs (I'm an old-timer). (None of this is bragging, just establishing a point of experience reference).

Yesterday I bought some of what was reported to be MDMA here. I have no interest in dissociatives like K, or G. I just want to try this one thing that is missing from my repertoire. I bought from ***** because his rep seems super solid, but he's from Canada, and I'm not sure if you are all aware of this, but there is some bad ecstasy killing kids all over Canada right now:

- 22 January 2012 Nanton, Canada. Another overdose due to the chemical PMMA, present in MDMA tablets.

- 21 January 2012, Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Death of a 23 year old college student due to possible overdose of PMMA, present in MDMA. No confirmation that death related to same fatal batch of MDMA that claimed the life of Nanton, Alberta man

-12 January 2012 Vancouver, Canada. Media reports that 16 deaths may be related to this drug, although toxicology reports have not yet been completed in order to confirm this

On January 15, 2012, toxicology reports confirmed that five of the 18 ecstasy related deaths since January 2011, contained the chemical PMMA.

11 January 2012, Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Calgary Police Service issues a press release stating that PMMA "was present in toxicology results for each of five recent Calgary-area street-drug deaths.

So the point of this long-winded post is: How do I safely take ******'s 1g of "pure" MDMA, how should I split the dose to be safest. What's best option, insufflation or ingest orally? Is there a way short of destroying the very little I bought to make sure there is no PMA or PMMA in it?

I have, in my stupid youth;  bought Yayo that I am pretty sure was cut with fiber glass based on the nosebleeds it gave me, so I'm not adverse to some shitty side effects, but I would like to avoid death. So any help is appreciated.

****** BIG NOTE ALL CAPS(!) I HAVE HEARD NOTHING BUT GOOD ABOUT *****, I AM SURE HE'D NEVER SELL SHIT INTENTIONALLY************

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Title: Re: Bad Canadian MDMA (Long winded and may belong in harm reduction - my apologies)
Post by: Juggy on February 04, 2012, 12:06 pm
Hey, I don't know how to answer you but seriously dude you shouldn't of associated ***** with bad MDMA without specific reason in regards to his product(even if you put in your disclaimer) its bad practice to associate him with these deaths based on a generalization of a country with a population of 35,000,000. If you had done a chemical analysis of his molly then that would be another story... If you really felt uneasy you should of just asked the same question and just mentioned you bought MDMA from Canada, without including ***** specifically and thus associating him with your fears.
Title: Re: Bad Canadian MDMA (Long winded and may belong in harm reduction - my apologies)
Post by: baxterbrew on February 04, 2012, 12:09 pm
So the point of this long-winded post is: How do I safely take Tony's 1g of "pure" MDMA, how should I split the dose to be safest. What's best option, insufflation or ingest orally? Is there a way short of destroying the very little I bought to make sure there is no PMA or PMMA in it?

I have, in my stupid youth;  bought Yayo that I am pretty sure was cut with fiber glass based on the nosebleeds it gave me, so I'm not adverse to some shitty side effects, but I would like to avoid death. So any help is appreciated.


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Depends on how much you weigh. rule of thumb id say go for ~150mg and ingest orally. As far as the dangerous chemicals go, check out tony76's review thread no one has reported any such thing
Title: Re: Bad Canadian MDMA (Long winded and may belong in harm reduction - my apologies)
Post by: ChaxChax on February 04, 2012, 12:18 pm
Hey, I don't know how to answer you but seriously dude you shouldn't of associated Tony76 with bad MDMA without specific reason in regards to his product(even if you put in your disclaimer) its bad practice to associate him with these deaths based on a generalization of a country with a population of 35,000,000. If you had done a chemical analysis of his molly then that would be another story... If you really felt uneasy you should of just asked the same question and just mentioned you bought MDMA from Canada, without including Tony specifically and thus associating him with your fears.

Thanks for the quick answer, I'll see if I can edit that out, and ask the two of you above to do the same. My bad all around.
Title: Re: Bad Canadian MDMA (Long winded and may belong in harm reduction - my apologies)
Post by: leanteam on February 04, 2012, 08:21 pm
You can start by NOT taking 1g of mdma? Start with .1 wait a little and go from there
Title: Re: Bad Canadian MDMA (Long winded and may belong in harm reduction - my apologies)
Post by: E=daveC² on February 04, 2012, 11:08 pm
.1 to .150 should be enough for the full E experience. 1 gram is at least 5 strong doses and is plenty for 6 or more people if it's high quality like Tony76's. One reviewer said 125 mg was all he or she needed for a good roll. Several of those who took over 150mg said it was too much. E is relatively safe on it's own. I knew people who would take 5 pills during a rave or party without negative effects.

Like all drugs, how strongly it affects you depends on several factors like body weight, tolerance (none in your case obviously), and normal brain chemistry and metabolic differences between individuals. It's always a good idea to try a very small amount of any substance you've never taken before to make sure you don't have some kind of allergic or other hypersensitive reaction to it before taking the full dose and to verify that what you received is indeed what you ordered. People make mistakes and occasionally send the wrong white powder.

Do you have a scale to accurately weigh your dose or are you going to eyeball it? Do you take any medicines that affect serotonin like SSRI's? I've read they can greatly reduce or even eliminate the effects of MDMA. I wonder how safe they are to take long term if they change brain chemistry that much? I haven't tried taking E or any hallucinogens since I started taking Celexa a couple years ago. :(

The following dosage information is from erowid. The amounts seem a little conservative to me, but it's better to be safe than sick. I usually took 2 or 3 pills over a couple hours when I rolled. If you're really paranoid and have $120 to burn you can anonymously send a 20mg powder sample to http://www.ecstasydata.org/send_sample.php and they will tell you what active ingredients it contains and the ratio of each chemical. It's only $40 for a pill analysis for some reason.

Oral MDMA Dosages
Threshold   30 mg
Light   40 - 75 mg
Common (small or sensitive people)   60 - 90 mg
Common (most people)   75 - 125 mg
Common (large or less sensitive people)   110 - 150 mg
Strong   150 - 200 mg
Heavy   200 + mg

Onset : 20 - 70 minutes (depending on form and stomach contents)
Duration : 3 - 5 hours
Normal After Effects : up to 24 hours

Overdose Effects:
Vomiting, headaches and dizziness may result from too high a dose of MDMA. Some people are considerably more sensitive to MDMA than others. Be careful if you are using MDMA for the first time or using material of an unknown purity and strength. Always start low.
Title: Re: Bad Canadian MDMA (Long winded and may belong in harm reduction - my apologies)
Post by: voodoomonkey on February 05, 2012, 01:08 am
with goood mdma i take 150-250mg and have a fucking awesome time, your best edge on the side of caution as you can always bump a little more if needed.

More than once ive taken some, not noticed the effects and taken more, for it all to hit at once,.........man it felt fuckin good but sometimes too much.

Failing that buy an online testing kit to to determine what your 'mdma' contains
Title: Re: Bad Canadian MDMA (Long winded and may belong in harm reduction - my apologies)
Post by: jewfro on February 05, 2012, 05:57 am
while im sure, and you know, that there are unknown unknowns and accidents happen, i do have to vouch for tony and say: you're in good hands. i have tried his h and his k, and they were spectacular. first time with h, below the teens with k, but if i do say so myself, i think you'll be allright. as someone who trips balls and gets paranoid all the fucking time, i know - i get it, crazy shit happens and when the factors overlap with your own, it can be a lil intimidating...

but you should be allright. and at 150mg, you shouldnt intake a dangerous dose of pma anyway (i dont think...) start at half-that, and then drop the other half after you feel allright ;D     

if you start vomiting violently and fading, then you might want to start blasting ativans and bong rips, while dialing 911....
Title: Re: Bad Canadian MDMA (Long winded and may belong in harm reduction - my apologies)
Post by: darkslayer96 on February 05, 2012, 06:57 am
I usually take MDMA orally, Most of the time I take an initial amount then about an hour and a half later, i take a little more..

you will know within the hour if its legit or not, I promise.  Tony76's stuff has been tested and the results posted on his thread..

"And now, for the reagent results:

Mecke: Very audible fizz, immediately turned a deep, dark green, which evened out to a dark blue with hints of purple. (Presence of MDMA, MDA, and/or MDE).
Simon's: Rich, cobalt blue. (Presence of MDMA or MDE).
Marquis: Very audible fizz with bubbling, immediately turned black. (Presence of MDMA, MDA, or MDE)."
Title: Re: Bad Canadian MDMA (Long winded and may belong in harm reduction - my apologies)
Post by: Derpasaurus on February 05, 2012, 08:53 am
the PMA junk is being peddled street level in pill format only. the people who died from it took like 4-7 of them at once which is fucking crazy even for real MDMA (though even 1 PMA pill could mess you up pretty bad). powder PMA is yellowish, so no powder being peddled. this happened all over Europe, Aus and US throughout 70s, 80s, 90s... PMA always ends up on the street now and then trying to be passed off as MDMA which is why I never buy pills, you have no idea what's in them unless they're tested. Australia these Mitsubishi green pills were PMA poison and killed a few people  in 2009 until they found the moron making it in a home lab and handed him a murder sentence.

this is why there are free testing labs in Europe because of the PMA deaths of years past. every country should have anonymous testing facilities.

you can confirm it's real MDMA and not fake junk by:
-reagent testing
-if it's a pill break it in two and regent test different layers (top coating, middle product)
-place a small amount in tinfoil, heat the bottom till it boils/smokes (don't inhale). if the residue left over is cherry red, it's MDMA
-smell and taste it.
-try a very small amount, don't do huge amounts of any drug you bought on the street

I doubt anybody here would be peddling PMA, it's always some sort of street level scam by idiots, though the most infamous RC vendor of all time pondman.nu sold poisonous 'bath salts' mail order and killed somebody.

Title: Re: Bad Canadian MDMA (Long winded and may belong in harm reduction - my apologies)
Post by: ChaxChax on February 05, 2012, 02:28 pm
My thanks to all for your advice. I'm going to split it up into 6 equal doses of ~165mg and cap them.  I don't have a mg scale, so I'm just going to eyeball fill 6 empty caps to the same level.

I'll start by taking half a cap myself, wait 45-mins to an hour and finish the rest off if it looks like I'm headed for a peak. I have a healthy and varied supply of benzos around in case things go horribly wrong.

I do take a 100 mg modafinil scrip every day, which I plan to stop 48 hours before trying it out. I am pretty sure the half-life of modafinil is 15 hours, so a couple days should be enough to work it's way out of my system (I've heard anecdotal evidence it can prevent a stim peak).

Thanks for the PMA info too. Much <3 I'll report back.
Title: Re: Bad Canadian MDMA (Long winded and may belong in harm reduction - my apologies)
Post by: oldschoolclubkid on February 05, 2012, 03:36 pm
Yea it really sucks that there are people out there that would sell PMA/PMMA as MDMA.  Wish we had a more honest drug world, oh wait we do have that now here with SR (Thanks!).  I can remember first seeing PMA back in the late 80's but it really got big about 95 and there were deaths in Florida and California which got national coverage.  These days there is so much crap sold under the name X that is really hard to tell whats good and/or safe until you have it tested or actually do it.  My last 3 local purchases were all crap and one of those I do think was PMA.  One of the others was some kind of RC (which can be OK at times) but no where near MDMA.  The third may have actually been MDMA but it was such a low does it was hard to tell.  I have since found SR and made 2 purchases so far.  One has made it and I tried it out last weekend and was the best stuff I have had since the mid 90's.  The second should be here next week.  So thanks again SR!!

All the info you have been given has been pretty dead on.  Start small and work your way up, and keep hydrated.  You should feel safe with the vendor you used as his product has been tested, I actually have some on the way from him. 
Title: Re: Bad Canadian MDMA (Long winded and may belong in harm reduction - my apologies)
Post by: darkslayer96 on February 05, 2012, 07:08 pm
And more importantly, When you do take your MDMA and you start to roll, please thank your vendor for providing such a good product.

Cheers!