Silk Road forums
Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Erlen on August 23, 2013, 09:01 am
-
IDK if this is the right sub-forum for this, sorry if it isn't.
Taken from clearweb:
http://www.rtl.be/info/belgique/faitsdivers/1026861/trafic-de-drogue-international-demantele-60-millions-de-pilules-d-ecstasy-saisies-?utm_source=info&utm_medium=HP_Headline&utm_campaign=HP_Headline_3
International drug trafficking dismantled "60 million ecstasy pills seized".
Investigators from the Federal Judicial Police Asse apprehended 14 people suspected of being part of an international gang of drug traffickers. The criminal organization, active in Belgium, but also in Poland and Turkey, is specialized in the production and sale of ecstasy.
The different searches conducted in Belgium, Poland and the Netherlands have, besides the arrest of 14 criminals, to hand over two clandestine laboratories and two warehouses. According to federal prosecutors, the arrested suspects are part of a structured criminal organization existing for several years.
"An organization very well rehearsed"
Our reporter Vanessa Costanzo delivered us more details on this case, live in our newspaper 19h: "The searches were conducted in several cities across the country, but also abroad, in Poland, the Netherlands at all. , 30 searches were conducted this morning. They revealed the day a truly international drug trafficking. these producers produced ecstasy tablets. 14 people were arrested. 11 must be heard tonight by the judge . It will decide to put the name under arrest. what is clear is that it would be a very well rehearsed organization, established for many years, "said our reporter. Before adding: "You could also think that those members of this band could be armed and dangerous."
60 million of ecstasy pills
"Impressive quantities of drugs were seized. Two laboratories were on our territory and two warehouses were also recovered by the police who intervened during this investigation. A ton of MDMA was found in these laboratories. MDMA is a substance that can produce these pills of ecstasy. 1,000 kilograms of MDMA can produce 60 million ecstasy pills that were sold on the Belgian market and probably in foreign countries, "she says.
I hope everyone on here stays safe, and hopefully none of the Belgian vendors from here were involved. Peace
-
Wouldn't 1000kg (1 million g) in 60 million pills give only 16mg per pill..? 6 million maybe but not 60?
Not that I expect the news to get anything regarding drugs remotely right.
-
Yeah, Love, I was wondering about the math also.
But shit, that is a lot of MDMA! I really hope all our Belgian vendors are safe...
-
Holy fucking shit! Largest mdma bust to date???
-
We are all fine and dandy...but we heard about it already from a few sources...
very very sad day for Peace & Freedom :(
-
1000kg? Sands of grain on a beach.
-
holy shitballs, that's a lot of molly. hope our fellow vendors are ok but chances are, they're not. you can be damn sure a lot of computer equipment is going to be/was seized. here's hoping everyone took proper measures, but obviously you don't get near that level without a clever head on your shoulders. prices of mdma in holland/europe are going to skyrocket in the coming weeks/months.
fucking le... :(
-
Cops math is notoriously bad and misleading when it comes to busts. You frequently read them making a $2 million bust only to find out it consisted of 1 kilo of meth. The ones I most especially love and is when they say "After a long careful dangerous investigation between multiple agencies working together a meth manufacturing lab was taken down for another hit on the drug war with more drugs taken off the street", and then the meth "lab" turns out to be some idiot kid with some Pepsi bottles and a box of Sudafed and the "investigation" consisted of being tipped off by the kids little sister. Cops have to do something to justify their ridiculous salary and benefits and their inability to catch real criminals or do anything substantial to all the drugs out there..... this bust being an exception.
-
From my experiences, extrapolated broadly, I estimate that 99.9% of illicit substances are not interdicted. The drug business is huge; did anyone see the UN report a few years ago supporting the notion that the world economies would collapse without the cash infusion from illicit markets?
-
That is a very large amount of MDMA to get taken. It surely must effect the market.
I am glad that I am not importing mine from Europe!
-
That is a very large amount of MDMA to get taken. It surely must effect the market.
I really hope this is sarcasm, since a kilo is just a little shit stain on the market.
-
That is a very large amount of MDMA to get taken. It surely must effect the market.
I really hope this is sarcasm, since a kilo is just a little shit stain on the market.
It was 1000kg, 1000 little shit stains is a real mess. Also 2 labs and a distribution network, so yeah this is significant.
-
That is a very large amount of MDMA to get taken. It surely must effect the market.
I really hope this is sarcasm, since a kilo is just a little shit stain on the market.
It was 1000kg, 1000 little shit stains is a real mess. Also 2 labs and a distribution network, so yeah this is significant.
Shit! I misread that mate, thought it was one kilogram instead of 1000kg, this indeed is a real mess. Sad to see story's like these. I really hope the ovens that burn the MDMA will melt down due to the large amount of chemicals being burned. Let me rephrase that, i hope the whole building blows up and millions of little tiny rocks will fall down all over the world, the summer of the MDMA rain. ;D
-
Hi all,
The BBC article on same, with maybe more details -
23 August 2013 Last updated at 17:23
Belgium police raid '1.3bn-euro' Chimay drug pills factory'
Police in Belgium have seized ecstasy pills and chemicals used to make drugs, worth an estimated street value of 1.3bn euros (£1.1bn; $1.7bn).
Nine men and two women, all aged 30 to 50, were arrested on Thursday and charged with possessing, manufacturing and trafficking drugs.
The suspects, from Belgium, Turkey and Poland, were part of an international criminal group, police said.
Buildings have also been searched in the Netherlands and Poland.
Two laboratories and warehouses were used to manufacture the drugs and false walls had been used to try to avoid detection, police said.
The biggest laboratory was said to have been found at a farm warehouse in a wooded area near Chimay in southern Belgium.
Chimay Mayor Francoise Fassiaux said she was shocked by the discovery, complaining rural areas "are no longer protected from serious crime".
"We found a total of 600kg (1,300lb) of chemical products and materials. You can make 1.5 million pills with 25kg. Imagine what they could make with 600kg!" said Wenke Roggen, a spokeswoman for Belgium's federal prosecutor's office.
"It is the biggest such bust ever in Belgium and one of the largest in Europe.''
On Friday, workers in biohazard suits were still engaged in a clean-up operation at the site.
"We should strengthen our surveillance on these roads," Mayor Fassiaux told Belgian broadcaster RTBF.
Some of the synthetic drugs were found in a garage on the outskirts of the capital, Brussels.
All of the suspects were part of a criminal syndicate that had been in existence for a number of years, judicial sources said.
CLEARNET LINK (with a couple of pics, hope you don't recognize the farmhouse..) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23817379
Take care.
-
I wonder if we will feel an impact on prices.
-
That is a very large amount of MDMA to get taken. It surely must effect the market.
I really hope this is sarcasm, since a kilo is just a little shit stain on the market.
It was 1000kg, 1000 little shit stains is a real mess. Also 2 labs and a distribution network, so yeah this is significant.
One of the bigger Belgium disturbers of MDMA on the road just commented that this bust had nothing to do with their network of supply. Apparently all they actually got was precursor.
That 1000kg must just a few sands of grain on the beach that is Europe. Long live European MDMA!
-
That's a lot of weight, I'm very impressed.
-
I feel sorry for the people involved in the bust although im sure at that level of production there will be major payoffs made and the people right at the top arent instigated. As for prices sky rocketing. I very much doubt it. Unless bottom end sellers and mid level suppliers decide to use this to hike the price. I know for a fact that this is one of many producers in the area, there are definitely still more plenty of huge fish in this giant see. dont worry yourselves just watch your backs though.
-
Holy shit. That's, like, a tonne - literally, 1 tonne. Nearly the weight of a motorcar. That's some serious production, and a big catch for the cops for sure.
The maths thing is a joke isn't it. The legal system does that sort of thing all around. Proceeds of crime etc... no logic applied, everything exaggerated or based on insurance claim figures (in the case of stolen goods) or street quantity prices of something that the accused bought/handled in bulk quantities at bulk prices. They would still seek the "street value" in recuperation from the accused who probably only sold it for 1/25th of that figure.
-
"Products seized included about 1000 kilograms of MDMA and 18.5 tonnes of Ecstasy precursor safrole, Roggen said."
WTF. how many trees had to give their plant-life for to produce THAT much safrole... I just hope that this is the product of an industrial production. I remember the drought of MDMA in the mid-2000's when ~8-10tons (IIRC) of safrole in indonesia were discovered and destroyed that were ready to be shipped to BE/NL according to the authorites. This WILL affect the european ecstasy market for some time surely. I don't like MDMA too much, if you consider how big the trees are that have to be destroyed for the production of safrole, you shouldn't too. LSD is much more environmentally sustainable... :)
-
"Products seized included about 1000 kilograms of MDMA and 18.5 tonnes of Ecstasy precursor safrole, Roggen said."
Where did you get that bit from? Can you give us a link to the source - it's not in either of the articles mentioned so far.
That is a huge amount of safrole and I agree it will be a massive problem for future MDMA production.
edit: found a source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/10263175/Ecstasy-pills-worth-1.3bn-found-in-Europes-biggest-drugs-raid.html
-
it was from:
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/world/belgian-police-report-a195b-drug-bust/story-e6frfkui-1226703207312?from=public_rss
-
As far as i aware the drought in early 2000s were due to import crack down with the Chinese olympics?
-
taken from supertrips pages...wonder if his operation was closeby..or somehow affected.
even though hes based out of germany.
"READ: TEMPORARY VACATION MODE DUE TO RELOCATING PART OF THE OPERATION ACROSS CONTINENTS! DO NOT HAVE ETA AT THE MOMENT"
-
taken from supertrips pages...wonder if his operation was closeby..or somehow affected.
even though hes based out of germany.
"READ: TEMPORARY VACATION MODE DUE TO RELOCATING PART OF THE OPERATION ACROSS CONTINENTS! DO NOT HAVE ETA AT THE MOMENT"
He'll probably go scamming people again to finalize his hat trick. Seriously I don't know how that guy is still dealing. And yeah 1000kg is definitely significant (1kg = 10,000 pills * 1000 = 10 million pills), especially within a locality. I don't know if we'll feel it over here in the US but I would think in the city and country it occurred there will temporarily be some ripples.
-
I'm struggling with the maths, but I think you're right. 8.3 million 120mg pills, or 10 million 100mg pills.
But forget that - what about the 18.5 tonnes of the difficult to acquire key ingredient, safrole. Damn.
Maybe time to stock up on MDMA & pills for a rainy day.
-
He'll probably go scamming people again to finalize his hat trick. Seriously I don't know how that guy is still dealing. And yeah 1000kg is definitely significant (1kg = 10,000 pills * 1000 = 10 million pills), especially within a locality. I don't know if we'll feel it over here in the US but I would think in the city and country it occurred there will temporarily be some ripples.
There may be ripples yes but it really isnt going to affect it, Netherlands is the hub of MDMA and there are so many producers in that area of europe it shouldnt make a problem.
-
subbing
-
Chimay in southern Belgium.
I knew Chimay produced an excellent beer, I didn't know it produced Molly by the ton.
-
I knew Chimay produced an excellent beer, I didn't know it produced Molly by the ton.
[/quote]
Yes i must agree, one of the many fine beverages to come from belgium!
-
Hi chil,
The Chimay beer is great, and produced by MONKS! ya don't think...
-
Hi chil,
The Chimay beer is great, and produced by MONKS! ya don't think...
You belgians sure know how to enjoy life, i won't deny it :)
-
Belgians are actually quite straight as it generally goes but they make fine beer, trappiste monks make my favourite!
-
wrathmore,
the same ones I suspect! Trappist monks behind E conspiracy...
(BTW what was that ridiculous Chimay beer that was 17%?)
-
cant say ive tried a 17% one! The blue is 9 and then there is the triple to. Im quite a connoisseur of beer and MDMA as it goes actually :P
-
Yup belgian beer is the best.
That's why it wins prices.
As for this bust,we get them every once in a while mainly due to political circumstances (propaganda for either the mayor/local politicians of a city or in this "big" case the federal government and police propaganda).
The police have been critized and getting heat from the belgian population so everytime it gets to hot for them, they feel the need to do something major.
And like magic,they suddenly whip out a big drug bust as prove they are not just sitting on their asses commiting paycheck frauds when not harshly attacking civilians.
-
A megagram of molly would go nicely with a peach lambic! I gotta brush up on my Flemish!
-
A megagram of molly would go nicely with a peach lambic! I gotta brush up on my Flemish!
Flemish and Walloon.
Both sides have awesome beer so brush up on both.
-
I like leffe blonde, and delirium tremens.
-
sadness :(
Ryno
-
holy shit thats a lot of molly I know it has been said many times but holy shit. I truly do hope our guys are safe, as I am a buyer of molly :(
-
Yup belgian beer is the best.
That's why it wins prices.
As for this bust,we get them every once in a while mainly due to political circumstances (propaganda for either the mayor/local politicians of a city or in this "big" case the federal government and police propaganda).
The police have been critized and getting heat from the belgian population so everytime it gets to hot for them, they feel the need to do something major.
And like magic,they suddenly whip out a big drug bust as prove they are not just sitting on their asses commiting paycheck frauds when not harshly attacking civilians.
so Belgium has elected a government again ? I thought they were some sort of pirate state at the moment, who gives orders at the time of government doesn't exist anyway- there should be no political agenda ?
-
Yes the belgium government is quite a joke, this was definitely a statement to show their competence. However the Politie have nothing better to do normally, ride ride on bikes incurring their safety laws.
Ik spreek een kliene beetje Nederlands/Vlaams, maar ik leer meer alle daags. Miene favorit woord is 'Knueken in de kueken'...
-
Very sad day...I fuckin hate how the media always exagerattes what cerain quantities can produce or what they are worth...
-
Very sad day...I fuckin hate how the media always exagerattes what cerain quantities can produce or what they are worth...
I was busted with what amounted to 35k worth of product yet the media reports double it. they dont go by the wholesale value or what it cost to a seller but they take the farthest end cost and work it from that. so for example 1000g of mandy which cost 6oer g to buy as a kilo but was sold at 50 per g on the street would be stated on the news as 50000 worth of drugs not 5000.
-
Cops math is notoriously bad and misleading when it comes to busts. You frequently read them making a $2 million bust only to find out it consisted of 1 kilo of meth. The ones I most especially love and is when they say "After a long careful dangerous investigation between multiple agencies working together a meth manufacturing lab was taken down for another hit on the drug war with more drugs taken off the street", and then the meth "lab" turns out to be some idiot kid with some Pepsi bottles and a box of Sudafed and the "investigation" consisted of being tipped off by the kids little sister. Cops have to do something to justify their ridiculous salary and benefits and their inability to catch real criminals or do anything substantial to all the drugs out there..... this bust being an exception.
this exact statement!! its the same thing when they bust a DMT "lab" yes technically it is but when I here lab I think you know scientist not me and my friends when we were in highschool with mimosa, lye, and naptha.
Hopefully there are no more busts in the making after this one but unfortunately it is rare that people own up and take their licks people always feel they have to share negativity of being arrested
-
Dont worry , there are allot more labs here in belgium ;)..
-
Fuckin A' all dat love gone! :(
-
This is what I was going to say...
1 down, 2 more pop up.
LE says they had a very closed operation... so closed that they got caught. Not so closed after all lol.
-
It's like a hydra - chop off one of its heads, and 2 more grow back - for LE it's a losing battle.
And really, why fight it: what harm has MDMA done to society?
-
and i thought they just made great beer in Chimay
-
And really, why fight it: what harm has MDMA done to society?
MDMA itself? Nothing.
That's just it. It's the fucking dickbags with no heart/soul and couldn't give two shits about anyone/anything else except making money, even at the expense of killing/harming uneducated people just trying to experience what?
Yep, MDMA.
It's so ass backwards it's not even funny. Another example of the huge fail of prohibition and the "War on Drugs".
-
I always wonder whether these stories are actual busts, or "gimmies" to the authorities, where they let the authorities bust a lab while they are building 2 more at 10x capacity? It makes you wonder. There is a glut of MDMA in the market since the chinese started synthesizing precursors that aren't watched as closely. I doubt this will have any effect on prices, let alone supply. If precursor or product were the issue, I've always wondered if it was possible to make MDMA by reducing methylone ,similar to how meth is made from ephedrine? does anyone know if that would work?
-
Ive just opened up my new shop http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/68202d3952 selling MDMA from Belgium. Dont worry they didnt get everyone ;)
-
I've always wondered if it was possible to make MDMA by reducing methylone ,similar to how meth is made from ephedrine? does anyone know if that would work?
If you're suggesting performing a wolff kishner reduction on methylone to make MDMA, I'm almost positive it would not work.
-
I think the stuff will find its way back to the market. Governments, huh? ;)
-
This definitely won't affect us, i can tell you guys that there are a lot more than 50 MDMA labs in belgium and Holland. Okay this was a pretty big one but there are even bigger ones, for sure ;)
-
All of this MDMA production and yet most young thriving adults in the US are getting methylone when they purchase "molly."
I recently tried methylone and I really like it, but MDMA is something special.
-
1000kg? Sands of grain on a beach.
Yep, that's it.
Whilst that does sounds like a lot of MDMA, on the grand scale of drug production, that is nothing. The supply chain won't even notice it missing.
It's like a candy bar going missing from a supermarket. There is so much more and it will just be replaced quickly.
1000KG MDMA is about 8 million good pills. Probably what the UK would munch through on any given weekend.
Not much when you look at the how many pills would be consumed every week throughout the world.
I'm guessing there would be be numerous mega-factories producing tons of MDMA in Netherlands & Belgium every week and distributing it throughout the world.
There's no way they'll ever bring them all down. They probably didn't even get to the source of where the MDMA is cooked in this raid. Those people are far too organised to let themselves get caught.
And good on them.
-
Well have news for yous.....the price rise has already started!
-
Well have news for yous.....the price rise has already started!
Where?
-
3 NL peoples, like bulk people :(
-
this i 1 million doses of mdma, correct?
-
this i 1 million doses of mdma, correct?
About 8 million 125mg doses.
-
I always wonder whether these stories are actual busts, or "gimmies" to the authorities, where they let the authorities bust a lab while they are building 2 more at 10x capacity? It makes you wonder.
Absolutely the case.
That and political/police propaganda are very common in Belgium due to major political changes and when police image needs a boost due to too much SELFinflicted damage to their reputation like insurance/wage fraude amongst high ranking officers that never gets punished,police agression, fights over political decisions of high ranking posts for high ranking officers and so on.
As i stated earlier after too much of that..they "solve" their PR-problem with a "major" drug bust or the local mayor loudlyannounces a big springcleaning of "dodgy" neighbourhouds and then you go to poor sectors of town and arrest a few dealers.
It is so routine it gets to the point that i'm thinking one day the people even those anti-drugs will get sick of this charade ;D.
I have hope,things will change,the scientific community is no longer affraid to speak out against this disgusting war on PEOPLE.
They recognize this is only marginalizing a gigantic group of people and that criminalizing the innocent only negatively affects society and backfires.
It will be difficult.
Politicians THRIVE on dividing people.
This is why i advocate for balance in everyones political beliefs all over the globe.
We are not going to make society better by following movements that pretend to be right-wing or left-wing.
They are 2 groups of people that will always oppose each other in a dogmatic way.i believe this has to do with genetic expression of the personality of our ancestors (explorers/builders/mix of both).
Never forget biologic forces are very strong and affect us even this way.
The ideal society exercises continuously to balance the good of different political ideas and should never go into 1 direction only.
This is why a perfect society will never exists as it will ALWAYS be a work in progress,tweaking and making itself better.
To those who believe things are going to slow or don't believe things will change for the better..read history books.It repeats itself but it also makes big jumps thanks to knowledge gathered by each generation that lead to change.
This NEVER happens over night.And at this moment we are living during one of those times (ends of era's) where the accumulation of all events (mostly thanks to science) will induce another big jump to the next chapter of evolution of the history of mankind.
We move things forward by keeping ourself educated and spread knowledge so that EVERYONE else can do the same.And always...always try to strive for equilibrium,this is the key to untainted reason and a weapon against being mislead and being pushed down a path that will lead to setbacks of us as people.
-
you'd think with an operation that size that they would have informants. It makes you wonder how much time and effort was put into this case by LE. So unfortunate for them and for us. Already starting to feel the impacts. Sukey is out of product, XTCexpress is gone...
-
Hey friends!
First of all, thanks for the interesting read. I feel awful for the folks that went down! There's no doubt in my mind though that everyone arrested have multiple millions of dollars stashed somewhere untouchable by the arresting agencies - at least I HOPE they were smart enough to stash it somewhere untouchable! I didn't read all the pages of this thread, but from the posts that I DID read, I didn't see anything about money being seized, so I assume those 15 people still have plenty of cash somewhere to hire the some of the international community's best teams of attorneys.
Anyway, I apologize if someone already said this (as I typed above - I didn't read all pages of replies to the OP), but I am replying to everyone speaking about 1,000 kilos being seized and how that comes out to be 60 million pressies...
I think some people got some math wrong - first of all, a kilogram isn't 1 million grams, it's 1,000 grams... if a kilo was a million grams, I would've been rich many, many years ago when I was slingin' blow in high school ;D
One kilo is 1,000 grams, so 1,000 kilos is 1 million grams.
1 million grams of MDMA divided by 16 million pills comes out to be .0625 grams of MDMA per pill, or 62.5mg.
I'm used to thinking about bulk herb operations, so I'm making an educated guess that the same assumptions can be made about gigantic MDMA manufacturers as can be made about huge marijuana manufacturers. With weed, any groups dealing with over 10,000 lbs tend to have some pretty low caliber product, so I'm assuming an MDMA group this large would probably be stretching their actual MDMA as far as it will go to increase profit. I doubt they were selling bulk amounts of pressies for more than $2 USD apiece... I'd think prices would be closer to $1 a pop. If I were in charge, I'd be telling my employees to press only about 60mg per tab. 60mg is a threshold dose - hell, if it was really good MDMA, only 80mg could get someone rolling pretty decently. But even if their MDMA sucked, two pressies would get someone off enough to say, "Eh, I ate two and rolled, but I wish I'd have eaten four." And considering the bulk prices for an operation so large, it makes complete financial sense.
Hell, the pills were probably closer to 50mg... LE is infamous for weighing the bags and everything! What do you guys think?
Thanks again for the fascinating read - I always find interesting news stories here on the forums! Hope everyone has a great week... take care of yourselves.
Love, Love, Love!
MushGoo