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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: synikal12 on October 03, 2012, 11:58 pm
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A friend of mine is a regular heroin user, he snorts it. He is a heavy user. He was wondering if he were to substitute a 100mg Fentanyl patch for a day would it prevent him from getting dopesick, and if so for about how long? Also, is there any danger that goes along with this?
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ironically the guy who wrote this survival guide died from a fentanyl overdose in 2009...
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Narcotic withdrawal - a junkies guide for survival
You are waking from the warm fuzzy dream.. you're supply is depleted, your 'guy' is out of town, and it's a good 4 weeks before you can refill your script.. you're going to suffer from NARCOTIC WITHDRAWAL - So what can ya do about it?
Drag yourself to your local pharmacy with this for a shopping list –
1) Imodium AD - and get the SYRUP - you can also get the pills or gel-caps as they will come in handy later.. you can get the generic shit too, just make sure that the ONLY active drug is loperamide hcl .. get a big bottle, hell, get 3 or 4 .. and no, it doesn't have a "pleasant cherry taste" .. this brings us to the next item –
2) Fruit juice - carbonated beverages won't do ya a lot of good... I have done this many times, and I find some apple juice to be the drink of choice ..
3) Aleve (or generic - you want naproxen sodium) .. this will help with the muscle aches and pains ..
4) Sominex (or generic - you want diphenhydramine).. this is an OTC sleep aide that *WILL* knock you out! Now if you have benzos or some other type of tranqualizer, thats better as they have other properties that we desire - but still, pick some of this up because without it you will just toss and turn all night...
5) Soup - whatever you like, it taste the same comming up ..
Some people recomend DXM, but I don't think it does much good when one is going through withdrawal - it *CAN* help reduce ones tollerence to opiates/opioids - pick up a bottle, remember, you want DXM ONLY .. you can try this, but I found it never really did anything but make my feel 'trippy' in higher doses (NOT pleasureable when you're kicking) ..
Ok, first off, there is no magic cure for withdrawal that DOESN'T involve some type of narcotic - thats what withdrawal is - the condition resulting from the absence of opiate/opioids in your system... in other words, don't think you can go on a 3 month heroin binge and walk away like nothing happened - BUT - I have been through this many, many, many times before - and I can help you reduce the pain and suffering to *ALMOST* nothing ..
Now, how bad will it be? Well, that depends on a few things:
*) HOW MUCH were you taking? Someone who mainlines a gram of heroin every 16 hours is going to have it a LOT worse then someone who pops a few Lortab every day..
*) HOW OFTEN were you taking the drugs? Again, if you made opiated bliss a full-time job, then you're going to have it a little harder then the occasional pill poper..
*) WHAT were you taking? If you liked to take codeine every day, you will probably suffer a little less then someone whos drug of choice was black tar..
I will assume that our subject falls in the moderate to heavy use catagory - could be considered an 'addict', or 'independent self-medicator'..
Withdrawal can set in within hours, depending on the frequency of your opiate/opioid intake - an IV heroin user who would fix every 4 hours is going to feel the kick comming a lot sooner then someone who eats Vicodin after work each night ..
I wont get into the psychological aspects of narcotic withdrawal, as thats a book in itself...
IMODIUM AD - OTC METHADONE!
I can't say enough about Loperamide - this shit is truely amazing.. it is really like OTC methadone .. so I think I will say a little about it;
Back in the day, Jansen (pharmacuticals) was trying to tweak out the fentanyl molecule - loperamide and fentanyl have a lot in common in terms of their structure.. anyway, they came up with loperamide in hopes it would be some incredible opioid - sadly it wasn't... so it was placed in federall schedule V - then, for some unknown reason, it was knocked out of C-V and made an OTC drug - you know it as Imodium AD .. there were some studies done on morphine dependent monkeys, and loperamide halted the withdrawal with as much success as methadone - so hey, don't write it off as a "junkie trick"...
How to use it? Well, ideally you want to take it prior to the onset of physical withdrawal - hence the reason for the liquid - it is rapidly absorbed into yer system .. for a dose I recomend about 4mg-6mg - yes, more then recomended by the FDA .. this can almost totally halt with physical aspects of withdrawal - it does little for the mental cravings though .. you can 'maintain' yourself with the pills/gel's but the syrup is FAR better - still, I find it's easier to pop a few pills at work then to bust out with the economy size bottle of an anti-diarrhea medicine..
For a moderate user, loperamide will just about kill *all* the physical symptoms - but for the heavy user, or for a good portion of the moderate users, there is that one physical effect that persists - muscle aches .. enters the Aleve (naproxen) .. take 500mg every few hours ..
Ok, so you are now narcotic free, and maintained fairly well with the Imodium and Aleve - is it that easy? No, not really.. while the above can help, you will still suffer from SOME physicl effects - I will list them.. some, all, or none may apply to you:
1) Cold sweats
2) Nausea
3) Diarrhea
4) Vomiting
5) Muscle pain
6) Insomnia
7) Depression (I wont get into it)
The severity of the effects depends on how much of what you take and how often you did so..
How long does it last? Overall, the worst is over after about 3-5 days, and from there it's just a matter of dealing with some minor annoyances .. the first few days are the worst, and I don't advise doing any more then you have to - lay in bed, keep a trash can nearby, and have a good stock of toliet paper .. food is a good thing, but you might not be able to keep it down - but THIS IS IMPORTANT - diarrhea and vomitting cause you to lose a LOT of water, so you WILL dehydrate - hence, you MUST maintain a good intake of fluids... thirsty or not, drink a cup of something every hour or so ..
Sominex will help you sleep, and benzos are wonderfull!
Everything else is a matter of personal opinion - do what feels good.. some people find sex is a good way to make a bad situation good, I personally don't want to do anything sexual when I am going through withdrawal.. I like to be as clean as possible - it really makes me feel good to take a few hot showers a day, but others can't take the water - YMMV, find out what works and go with it!
Thats most of the general advice I have...
Prevention is really the best way to go - TAPER YOUR DOSE when you're running low (yeah right) .. a nice alternative is to keep some narcotics on hand that wont really fuck you up, but will keep the withdrawal under control - ie codeine - it wont make you warm and fuzzy, but it may enable you to avoid missing a few days of work/school ..
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Thanks gest, but I need an answer to my question. He's a dear friend of mine and I don't want him dying and he's literally dopesick waiting for a few educated responses on this matter. He doesn't want to die, and he surely doesn't want to quit anytime soon, nor needs to.
He needs a temp fix to a temp problem and I don't fuck with fentanyl patches whatsoever so I have no knowledge in that field :X
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Thanks gest, but I need an answer to my question. He's a dear friend of mine and I don't want him dying and he's literally dopesick waiting for a few educated responses on this matter. He doesn't want to die, and he surely doesn't want to quit anytime soon, nor needs to.
He needs a temp fix to a temp problem and I don't fuck with fentanyl patches whatsoever so I have no knowledge in that field :X
I'm sure you're going to get a lot of good, educated responses here -- better responses than mine. But to me it seems entirely reasonable to think that, yes, the fentanyl patch is going to help. What's the downside of just putting it on and finding out?
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Thanks gest, but I need an answer to my question. He's a dear friend of mine and I don't want him dying and he's literally dopesick waiting for a few educated responses on this matter. He doesn't want to die, and he surely doesn't want to quit anytime soon, nor needs to.
He needs a temp fix to a temp problem and I don't fuck with fentanyl patches whatsoever so I have no knowledge in that field :X
I'm sure you're going to get a lot of good, educated responses here -- better responses than mine. But to me it seems entirely reasonable to think that, yes, the fentanyl patch is going to help. What's the downside of just putting it on and finding out?
A few people have OD'd from taking fentanyl, as it is a synthetic opiod and VERY powerful, especially a 100mg patch. My friend has a very big opiate tolerance. Does around a gram-1.5 of dope a day.
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Thanks gest, but I need an answer to my question. He's a dear friend of mine and I don't want him dying and he's literally dopesick waiting for a few educated responses on this matter. He doesn't want to die, and he surely doesn't want to quit anytime soon, nor needs to.
He needs a temp fix to a temp problem and I don't fuck with fentanyl patches whatsoever so I have no knowledge in that field :X
First hand experience here. Yes!
I used to keep patches in the house at ALL TIMES for two reasons:
1. travel (i would wear a patch when flying or driving cross country so i didnt have to carry dope with. it did just well at 1 Duragesic every other day
2. withdrawl - i did anywhere from 10-15 bags of brown powder a day (nasally and eventually iv). if i couldnt get...or planned on kicking...I used the patch to get me started.
It is worth the money if you are looking for a temporary situation. Long run...Fent cost too much. I also got addicted to 1600u Fent pops...and the kick was horrific!
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Thanks gest, but I need an answer to my question. He's a dear friend of mine and I don't want him dying and he's literally dopesick waiting for a few educated responses on this matter. He doesn't want to die, and he surely doesn't want to quit anytime soon, nor needs to.
He needs a temp fix to a temp problem and I don't fuck with fentanyl patches whatsoever so I have no knowledge in that field :X
I'm sure you're going to get a lot of good, educated responses here -- better responses than mine. But to me it seems entirely reasonable to think that, yes, the fentanyl patch is going to help. What's the downside of just putting it on and finding out?
A few people have OD'd from taking fentanyl, as it is a synthetic opiod and VERY powerful, especially a 100mg patch. My friend has a very big opiate tolerance. Does around a gram-1.5 of dope a day.
PRO TIP1: Also keep in mind the patches are measured in micrograms, not milligrams. Difference between fending off WD and death.
PRO TIP2: Fentanyl half-life is approx 24 hours
PRO TIP3: Exfoliate skin where patch will be placed (if possible) and shave any hair/peach fuzz from area before applying
PRO TIP4: I found the patch stayed on best when applied on rib area towards back (lats).
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Thanks gest, but I need an answer to my question. He's a dear friend of mine and I don't want him dying and he's literally dopesick waiting for a few educated responses on this matter. He doesn't want to die, and he surely doesn't want to quit anytime soon, nor needs to.
He needs a temp fix to a temp problem and I don't fuck with fentanyl patches whatsoever so I have no knowledge in that field :X
I'm sure you're going to get a lot of good, educated responses here -- better responses than mine. But to me it seems entirely reasonable to think that, yes, the fentanyl patch is going to help. What's the downside of just putting it on and finding out?
A few people have OD'd from taking fentanyl, as it is a synthetic opiod and VERY powerful, especially a 100mg patch. My friend has a very big opiate tolerance. Does around a gram-1.5 of dope a day.
Um, I think patches are designed for people. I don't think it's possible to OD on a single patch, if used according to the label. Since the OP didn't state otherwise, I assumed he was going to stick the patch to his skin, not try to use the fentanyl by IV somehow.
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He already took it and is loving life ;D
Thanks for all the quick responses guys. I really do appreciate it. Great to have a tight nit community like this.
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You/he could smoke the gel, but IME i would rather just wear the patch if you only have the one.
I mean you can get very high from smoking, but it wont last long and if you have a habit you will run through the patch very quickly and will be back to hurting in a days time. Wearing the patch should keep your buddy free from WDs for a couple of days if worn properly.
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Um, I think patches are designed for people. I don't think it's possible to OD on a single patch, if used according to the label. Since the OP didn't state otherwise, I assumed he was going to stick the patch to his skin, not try to use the fentanyl by IV somehow.
One can definitely OD from a 100mg patch, not by wearing it properly, but if you cheek the whole thing, or smoke/buc all the gel in one shot.
As for your friend getting well, he will not only be well, he'll feel great for at least two days, and decent for the third. But remember it takes 8-12 hours for the patch to kick in if you wear it. I usually put one on at midnight, and go to bed, wake up feeling fantastic.