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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: CoughDrop on June 20, 2012, 01:27 am
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If I were to half a 100 ~ microgram blotter of acid between myself and one other person, would I notice any affects? It will be both of our first times, and we are both rather anxious and do not want to have an overly intense first experience. I am rather experienced with every other category of drugs besides hallucinogens. I am actually sitting on half a gram of DMT that I am afraid of in a strange sort of way due to my lack of psychedelic experience.
My most sincere apologies for the dumb question, when I am nearly certain the answer is going to be just go for the full 100 microgram trip.
Thanks,
CoughDrop
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You will probably feel a minor body euphoria. Possibly some slight visuals. You will almost definitely feel something but it is doubtful that only 50ug will give you an appreciation for the wonderful chemical that is LSD. I took 200ug my first time and I was very glad that I did. I would recommend 100ug minimum for a first timer.
Happy tripping.
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If I were to half a 100 ~ microgram blotter of acid between myself and one other person, would I notice any affects? It will be both of our first times, and we are both rather anxious and do not want to have an overly intense first experience. I am rather experienced with every other category of drugs besides hallucinogens. I am actually sitting on half a gram of DMT that I am afraid of in a strange sort of way due to my lack of psychedelic experience.
First, good for you. If you're feeling conservative and your instincts advise you to take baby steps at first, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Erowid.org says the "threshold" dose for LSD is 20 micrograms, and 50 is the middle range for a "light" dose. It's going to hit everyone a little differently, but I think it's pretty reasonable to expect to feel mildly but pleasantly trippy. You and your friend may feel silly or giggly as it's setting in, and your minds will probably wander. There's often a bit of dizziness or detachment as well. To me a shallow acid trip can feel a little like a strong hit of good weed. It lasts a lot longer, of course, and it's easier to be contemplative with it.
It's very unlikely that you'll get any open-eye visual effects at such a low dose (it never happens to me at less than 200 to 300), but you may get some decent closed-eye visuals, i.e. mental imagery. If you relax and settle into yourself and find the pictures in your head are more colorful, more geometric, or more 3D than usual, that's the acid. You may imagine other interesting things with other senses as well. It won't seem "real" at that dosage; probably more like vivid or unusual daydreams.
The duration will probably seem a bit shorter than the normal 6-8 hour because the tapering off will make you feel closer to "normal" sooner. You might feel a bit tired or drained the next day, but not too badly. If you don't feel much an hour or two in, smoke some pot. It often complements psychedelics. (My first mushroom trip felt very subdued until a good hit of weed "unlocked" it.) I wouldn't advise MDMA if your goal is to avoid intensity.
Most of all, relax and enjoy it. At a light dosage like that, an acid trip may feel a little weird but should be fundamentally non-threatening. A bad trip is very unlikely, and I think it diminishes to _extremely_ unlikely if you go into it with a positive mindset and without heavy expectations. If you have a good experience the first time (and I suspect you will), you can always try more the second and subsequent times.
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Just remember what ever the reported ug of the trip is, in reality you are probably taking a 1/2 or 1/4 that amount.
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Oh. And while we're on the subject, that half gram of DMT... You can take baby steps with that too, if you want. Everyone talks about the crazy intense timeless machine-elf visions you can get from DMT, but that's when you're hitting a strong enough dose to break through. 50 to 60 milligrams does it for me.
If you're only doing a _little_ of it, say 10 to 20 milligrams, you don't get that. What I tend to get is a moderately strong but brief wave of dizziness, a somewhat sharper sense of 'dimensionality' in whatever space I'm in, and a bit of color distortion... And then it's gone. It's kind of like walking into a patch of land where the gravity is slightly different and then walking back out again. Weird but not unpleasant. I might also feel just a little bit lightheaded for 10 to 15 minutes, like a pot high but without the euphoria.
The catch of course is that DMT has a very sharp slope. There isn't a lot of mass difference between 20 milligrams and 50, but the difference in effect can be dramatic. Messing around in the midrange could take you in either direction. I also think that if you don't _eventually_ want the intense full breakthrough experience, there isn't that much point in bothering with DMT. If you just want to feel slightly weird, weed tastes a lot better and lasts longer.
But you can still start with small doses and work your way up to it. And just like I said with acid, there's nothing wrong with starting conservative.
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If I were to half a 100 ~ microgram blotter of acid between myself and one other person, would I notice any affects? It will be both of our first times, and we are both rather anxious and do not want to have an overly intense first experience. I am rather experienced with every other category of drugs besides hallucinogens. I am actually sitting on half a gram of DMT that I am afraid of in a strange sort of way due to my lack of psychedelic experience.
First, good for you. If you're feeling conservative and your instincts advise you to take baby steps at first, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Erowid.org says the "threshold" dose for LSD is 20 micrograms, and 50 is the middle range for a "light" dose. It's going to hit everyone a little differently, but I think it's pretty reasonable to expect to feel mildly but pleasantly trippy. You and your friend may feel silly or giggly as it's setting in, and your minds will probably wander. There's often a bit of dizziness or detachment as well. To me a shallow acid trip can feel a little like a strong hit of good weed. It lasts a lot longer, of course, and it's easier to be contemplative with it.
It's very unlikely that you'll get any open-eye visual effects at such a low dose (it never happens to me at less than 200 to 300), but you may get some decent closed-eye visuals, i.e. mental imagery. If you relax and settle into yourself and find the pictures in your head are more colorful, more geometric, or more 3D than usual, that's the acid. You may imagine other interesting things with other senses as well. It won't seem "real" at that dosage; probably more like vivid or unusual daydreams.
The duration will probably seem a bit shorter than the normal 6-8 hour because the tapering off will make you feel closer to "normal" sooner. You might feel a bit tired or drained the next day, but not too badly. If you don't feel much an hour or two in, smoke some pot. It often complements psychedelics. (My first mushroom trip felt very subdued until a good hit of weed "unlocked" it.) I wouldn't advise MDMA if your goal is to avoid intensity.
Most of all, relax and enjoy it. At a light dosage like that, an acid trip may feel a little weird but should be fundamentally non-threatening. A bad trip is very unlikely, and I think it diminishes to _extremely_ unlikely if you go into it with a positive mindset and without heavy expectations. If you have a good experience the first time (and I suspect you will), you can always try more the second and subsequent times.
Thank you for your well thought out response. I have about half a gram of some high grade weed left that I may smoke with it if I am up to it. I also have 500 mg of MDMA but I have not rolled in nearly a year, so candy flipping on my first acid trip will likely not be the wisest of decisions, as you pointed out.
My friend and I have two solid days and one night to trip and meditate as we please, free of any external interference, so I am hoping that will reduce the odds of having a bad trip. My friend also brought up the idea of just watching me take the acid, and possibly taking a little bit of molly, as she is a bit more nervous than I am. (If it weren't for my lack of available funds I would just buy 2, but I only have $17 in bitcoins.) If I were to take 100 mics of LSD, how many hours into the trip would it be safe for me to take MDMA without it dulling the LSD experience or getting too intense. Or would it be in my best interest to just stick to the acid? (If I took any MDMA, I would likely only take 100mg or less, as in the past that was a nice dosage to have me rolling nicely, yet controlled.)
LSD is a different breed of drug than I am accustomed to, and I am hoping to approach it with respect and caution. Thank you all for helping to answer my questions.
Oh. And while we're on the subject, that half gram of DMT... You can take baby steps with that too, if you want. Everyone talks about the crazy intense timeless machine-elf visions you can get from DMT, but that's when you're hitting a strong enough dose to break through. 50 to 60 milligrams does it for me.
If you're only doing a _little_ of it, say 10 to 20 milligrams, you don't get that. What I tend to get is a moderately strong but brief wave of dizziness, a somewhat sharper sense of 'dimensionality' in whatever space I'm in, and a bit of color distortion... And then it's gone. It's kind of like walking into a patch of land where the gravity is slightly different and then walking back out again. Weird but not unpleasant. I might also feel just a little bit lightheaded for 10 to 15 minutes, like a pot high but without the euphoria.
The catch of course is that DMT has a very sharp slope. There isn't a lot of mass difference between 20 milligrams and 50, but the difference in effect can be dramatic. Messing around in the midrange could take you in either direction. I also think that if you don't _eventually_ want the intense full breakthrough experience, there isn't that much point in bothering with DMT. If you just want to feel slightly weird, weed tastes a lot better and lasts longer.
But you can still start with small doses and work your way up to it. And just like I said with acid, there's nothing wrong with starting conservative.
Ah. The DMT. I actually smoked what I would estimate to be under 20 mg of it in an oil burner pipe, as an allergy test more or less (Good news, I didn't have some freak reaction!). I figured I would rather not be that one guy who had an allergic reaction out of everyone who has ever tried it. I certainly did not breakthrough (Wasn't planning on it!) but I did instantly feel a sort of warmness wash over my body, feeling it heavily in my cheeks. It also seemed as if some things were more liquid, and my arms had a very distinct heaviness to them. I certainly have high hopes of breaking through completely on DMT, I just wanted to have a more gentle psychedelic experience (LSD) before being blasted to a foreign planet (DMT). Also, a bit off topic. Is DMT supposed to smell and taste like cat piss? This stuff seriously is disgusting tasting, but the vapor was not nearly as bad as I had expected it to be on my lungs. No coughing or the sort, just slight irritation and burning.
When I am ready to fully experience DMT is it safe to just "eyeball" it, and what would be the best practice to do so? I do not own a milligram scale, and do not have the money to purchase an accurate one. I understand that it is poor practice to spend the money purchase the drugs without having the money for the proper safety equipment, but I have heard it is impossible to OD on and that it is okay to just keep smoking until you drop the pipe. (A bit reckless for my taste, but if it is safe I suppose it shall do.)
Just remember what ever the reported ug of the trip is, in reality you are probably taking a 1/2 or 1/4 that amount.
I understand using that as a guideline for street acid, but does this rule of thumb still apply to SR acid?
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Thank you for your well thought out response. I have about half a gram of some high grade weed left that I may smoke with it if I am up to it. I also have 500 mg of MDMA but I have not rolled in nearly a year, so candy flipping on my first acid trip will likely not be the wisest of decisions, as you pointed out.
My friend and I have two solid days and one night to trip and meditate as we please, free of any external interference, so I am hoping that will reduce the odds of having a bad trip. My friend also brought up the idea of just watching me take the acid, and possibly taking a little bit of molly, as she is a bit more nervous than I am. If I were to take 100 mics of LSD, how many hours into the trip would it be safe for me to take MDMA without it dulling the LSD experience or getting too intense. Or would it be in my best interest to just stick to the acid? (If I took any MDMA, I would likely only take 100mg or less, as in the past that was a nice dosage to have me rolling nicely, yet controlled.)
LSD is a different breed of drug, and I am hoping to approach it with respect and caution. Thank you all for helping to answer my questions.
I honestly would just stick with 100ug of LSD for your first dose to get a feel of LSD without candyflipping.
I'm honestly not sure you will be too impressed by 100ug of LSD, yet you should only do what you were confortable doing.
My first dose was 300ug.
I've taken 100ug dosings and even been put in situations where I am around LE and have done fine.
However, I have a high "controllability" over every drug I have encountered so far [not to mention I cannot reach color visuals or CEV even at 500+ug of LSD] and my experiences will no doubt be much different to yours.
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My friend and I have two solid days and one night to trip and meditate as we please, free of any external interference, so I am hoping that will reduce the odds of having a bad trip. My friend also brought up the idea of just watching me take the acid, and possibly taking a little bit of molly, as she is a bit more nervous than I am. If I were to take 100 mics of LSD, how many hours into the trip would it be safe for me to take MDMA without it dulling the LSD experience or getting too intense.
I've never candy flipped at all (taking an SSRI so ecstasy's useless for me) so I can't address specifics about it. As a generality, you're probably best just not messing with it if your intent is to find out what LSD is like. Finding out what LSD + MDMA is like is a different question.
Also keep in mind that an acid trip lasts several hours no matter how much you take; so if your friend's not doing any, she'd best be a _really_ good friend (i.e. into you enough that she'll enjoy watching you for several hours) or she's apt to get bored.
Also, a bit off topic. Is DMT supposed to smell and taste like cat piss? This stuff seriously is disgusting tasting, but the vapor was not nearly as bad as I had expected it to be on my lungs. No coughing or the sort, just slight irritation and burning.
I'm happy to say I've never experienced a cat pissing in my mouth, so I can't tell you if that's accurate. I CAN tell you that DMT really does taste awful. Burning rubber seems pretty close to me. I have trouble holding it in myself because of that taste.
When I am ready to fully experience DMT is it safe to just "eyeball" it, and what would be the best practice to do so? I do not own a milligram scale, and do not have the money to purchase an accurate one.
I just posted in another thread about my Gemini-20 that I bought on Amazon.com -- it's not the best scale money can buy, but it's definitely the best milligram scale that $20 can buy. It's worked just fine for me for DMT purposes. Eyeballing it would be "safe" only if you're willing to be somewhat adventurous with the effects; especially if you've never taken _any_ measurements, so that you don't really know what 20 mg or 50 mg etc. look like.
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Thank you for your well thought out response. I have about half a gram of some high grade weed left that I may smoke with it if I am up to it. I also have 500 mg of MDMA but I have not rolled in nearly a year, so candy flipping on my first acid trip will likely not be the wisest of decisions, as you pointed out.
My friend and I have two solid days and one night to trip and meditate as we please, free of any external interference, so I am hoping that will reduce the odds of having a bad trip. My friend also brought up the idea of just watching me take the acid, and possibly taking a little bit of molly, as she is a bit more nervous than I am. If I were to take 100 mics of LSD, how many hours into the trip would it be safe for me to take MDMA without it dulling the LSD experience or getting too intense. Or would it be in my best interest to just stick to the acid? (If I took any MDMA, I would likely only take 100mg or less, as in the past that was a nice dosage to have me rolling nicely, yet controlled.)
LSD is a different breed of drug, and I am hoping to approach it with respect and caution. Thank you all for helping to answer my questions.
I honestly would just stick with 100ug of LSD for your first dose to get a feel of LSD without candyflipping.
I'm honestly not sure you will be too impressed by 100ug of LSD, yet you should only do what you were confortable doing.
My first dose was 300ug.
I've taken 100ug dosings and even been put in situations where I am around LE and have done fine.
However, I have a high "controllability" over every drug I have encountered so far [not to mention I cannot reach color visuals or CEV even at 500+ug of LSD] and my experiences will no doubt be much different to yours.
300ug seems entirely too big for my metaphorical virgin body, but I am certain that must have been an awe inspiring first experience. I shall save the MDMA for the next day (Is that safe for my brain?) or another day entirely in that case.
I generally have very good control over myself while high, but I am not sure if that is me or my cautious practices. I would be quicker to attribute it to the latter of the two. The only time I have truly "lost my shit" was off of one of those dreadful legal highs called "Happy Shaman Trance". What an awful experience that was, and the same feeling would return every time I smoked weed for months after that.
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I've never candy flipped at all (taking an SSRI so ecstasy's useless for me) so I can't address specifics about it. As a generality, you're probably best just not messing with it if your intent is to find out what LSD is like. Finding out what LSD + MDMA is like is a different question.
Also keep in mind that an acid trip lasts several hours no matter how much you take; so if your friend's not doing any, she'd best be a _really_ good friend (i.e. into you enough that she'll enjoy watching you for several hours) or she's apt to get bored.
Reflecting upon the idea I agree that it will be best for me to experience LSD by itself, before attempting to candy flip. Good point. It may be worth pointing out that the friend in question happens to be my girlfriend, so she will be sticking around. :)
I'm happy to say I've never experienced a cat pissing in my mouth, so I can't tell you if that's accurate. I CAN tell you that DMT really does taste awful. Burning rubber seems pretty close to me. I have trouble holding it in myself because of that taste.
You have never lived until you have experienced a cat pissing in your mouth.
I just posted in another thread about my Gemini-20 that I bought on Amazon.com -- it's not the best scale money can buy, but it's definitely the best milligram scale that $20 can buy. It's worked just fine for me for DMT purposes. Eyeballing it would be "safe" only if you're willing to be somewhat adventurous with the effects; especially if you've never taken _any_ measurements, so that you don't really know what 20 mg or 50 mg etc. look like.
For $20 I may have to invest in one. Thank you for the recommendation. That is also a very good point that I really have no reference as to what amounts look like.
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What would a 50 microgram acid dose feel like?
Remember when you were much younger and you would be getting all hot and heavy with a girl, hard as a rock, cock weeping like a leaky tap and then all of sudden she decides she wants to stop and take things slow so that its more special in the long run?
I remember. Feels nothing like 50ug of LSD.
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At least not IMO.
300ug seems entirely too big for my metaphorical virgin body, but I am certain that must have been an awe inspiring first experience. I shall save the MDMA for the next day (Is that safe for my brain?) or another day entirely in that case.
It will be fine for the day after.
8)
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Wow. The seller I was about to purchase the tab of acid from delisted the item like 5 minutes ago. I would order from one of the other sellers but I have $16.74 in bitcoins and wanted it by next weekend.
What a bummer. :-[
EDIT: I contacted the seller, and he broke up a larger strip for my single blotter order. And he replied within minutes! Impressive customer service and now my plans are back on track. :)
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i did what you did, started off with less than a full blotter and looking back i would have probably been fine just taking the whole thing. just read trip reports for the dosage you decide and familiarize your self with the effects so it doesn't completely surprise you
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I'd be surprised if you felt anything at all, I think that's right at the threshold level, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Again, my views might jaded from heavy acid trips lmao
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I'd be surprised if you felt anything at all, I think that's right at the threshold level, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Again, my views might jaded from heavy acid trips lmao
I decided that I will just take the full 100ug tab, and that my friend will sit this one out and take some molly instead or something. I think 100ug will be a nice conservative introduction to LSD for me. :) Thanks for being awesome alllove!
To anyone looking for US domestic LSD, alllove is a super chill dude.
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100ug if it is accurate and good acid, you should be in love, having euphoria on anything you are watching, big laughs, maybe very little melting. I think it is a bit short for open eyes visuals.
Let it drives you and don't be afraid, there is absolutly no reason to.
100 ug is way more controlable than 200. You should not be feared by your thoughts.
Try to take it a beautiful weather day, in nature. It is more easy the day than the night, but the night is better for visuals for sure. Nature gives you amazing feeling of energy. You are one with the nature. Pure love.
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rowid.org says the "threshold" dose for LSD is 20 micrograms, and 50 is the middle range for a "light" dose.
According to Hoffman, the threshold dose is only 7 micrograms.
In my experience, 1/4 of a tab (about 25 micrograms) gives me a mood lift, changes my perspective slightly, colours become somewhat more vivid, and I can sometimes see patterns in carpets, etc. I used to microdose at least three times a week. I also feel that it enhances my creativity.
Anyway, as someone who has had several bad trips which lead to panic attacks, I think one should always start with small dosages with psychedelics. Start with one hit or maybe even half a tab if you are apprehensive about it.
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I'd be surprised if you felt anything at all, I think that's right at the threshold level, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Again, my views might jaded from heavy acid trips lmao
I decided that I will just take the full 100ug tab, and that my friend will sit this one out and take some molly instead or something. I think 100ug will be a nice conservative introduction to LSD for me. :) Thanks for being awesome alllove!
To anyone looking for US domestic LSD, alllove is a super chill dude.
Thanks CoughDrop! I should have more by the end of this coming week I hope.
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50 microgram will do nothing to me .. i have to take at least 300 or more to have a decent trip but i have builded a tolerance with the time. If you have never done lsd before try some 150 microgram, this is pretty safe for a first timer.