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Title: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: slumberbot on May 08, 2012, 09:01 pm
Hey guys,


I've been interested in trying mescaline for a long time now and when i found out about SR a couple months ago i got super excited to finally have access to such a wide range of psychedelics and other drugs... Then i looked at the mescaline prices and was a bit disappointed.
I'd love to try it, but i also want it to be worthwhile (i.e. 350mg+) and also share the experience with others, but me being continuously I haven't been able to convince myself to take the leap and pay ~50 bucks for a single trip...

Why is it that it's so expensive? Is it that hard to extract/synthesise?

I guess i just wish I was rich and could order all the beautiful drugs I still want to try...

Cheers,
SB
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: mcgrizzle on May 08, 2012, 09:22 pm
i'm in the same boat mate i want some cheap mescaline
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on May 08, 2012, 10:47 pm
- it takes 12-30yrs to grow to a decent size or when is worth consuming..
- then there's the preparation and extraction which all costs money...
- you can buy up raw / live cacti yourself but unless you know what you're doing, its a messy job and would it be any cheaper...dunno

Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: ilovelsd69 on May 08, 2012, 11:21 pm
- it takes 12-30yrs to grow to a decent size or when is worth consuming..
- then there's the preparation and extraction which all costs money...
- you can buy up raw / live cacti yourself but unless you know what you're doing, its a messy job and would it be any cheaper...dunno



I agree with you, mescaline is fucking rare those days. Here in canada what is sold as mescaline is PCP cut with lactose but this is no way like real mescaline..
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: slumberbot on May 09, 2012, 02:53 pm
:(
sad stuff... wish it was more available...
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: venturebros on May 09, 2012, 04:21 pm
:(
sad stuff... wish it was more available...
:'(  in the same boat, but hopefully this year i'll save and make the leap. I understand the cacti take forever to mature enough to cut (hence it was used in ritualistic nature), but I thought there was a new RC on the market that was very identical in action in the brain!?  :o

Maybe worth trying that?
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: KatEverdeen209 on May 09, 2012, 04:29 pm
Honestly, if you want to just go to your local Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot, garden center, cactus nursery...
They all generally carry San Pedro Cactus... Its a really popular cacti since its a quick easy grower and looks plain and simple.
I bought 5 feet from walmart about a month ago for $15.
This will give you more than enough mescaline being youre willing to extract it or prepare it yourself.
Really all you need is a kife, water, stove, pot and blender and you can make yourself a nice powerful tea.
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on May 09, 2012, 10:19 pm
..if you can't get mescaline try 2C-P
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: Limetless on May 09, 2012, 10:24 pm
Try the TMA series if you want something close. It's the amphetamine analogue.
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: Delta11 on May 09, 2012, 10:25 pm
Honestly, if you want to just go to your local Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot, garden center, cactus nursery...
They all generally carry San Pedro Cactus... Its a really popular cacti since its a quick easy grower and looks plain and simple.
I bought 5 feet from walmart about a month ago for $15.
This will give you more than enough mescaline being youre willing to extract it or prepare it yourself.
Really all you need is a kife, water, stove, pot and blender and you can make yourself a nice powerful tea.
Yeah that's what I was reading on shroomery, basically it's so cheap to make that it's not even worth selling it and most people consider it an insult to sell it for a high price. You can find tutorials online that teach you how to make it.
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: ProudCannabian on May 09, 2012, 10:32 pm
Gammagoblin sells legit synthetic mesc from time to time... cheap too.
Haven't seen him in awhile though.  :(
The other vendors prices are crazy high.
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: jewfro on May 10, 2012, 01:47 am
gammagoblin is supposed to restock tomorrow!!!!

aaaand tma-2 is pretty boring compared to mescaline, imo :s
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: SRTRAVLER on May 10, 2012, 02:08 am
you want cheap mescaline?

Buy san pedro skin online, dry it out, grind it up, mix it with alcohol. separate  the alcohol from the powder into a dif jar. then dry out the alcohol and scrape up the tar that is left over.  Put into capsules and BAM.

30 grams of dry skin is a good dose.

do an extraction with rubbing alcohol(everclear is safer)

If yo uneed more info, just search for alcohol extractions for mescaline on google.

Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: slumberbot on May 10, 2012, 08:48 am
Thanks for the info!
Know any reputable sites where i can buy some dried skins? The Walmart, etc option doesn't apply to me as I live in EU, not US.
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: blahftw on May 10, 2012, 10:23 am
what you really want is the fleshy pulp of the cacti, thats between the waxy skin, and the firm white core.  i've seen dehydrated flesh material for sale on ebay.  check out bouncingbearbotanicals.com iamshaman.com or maya-ethnobotanicals.com  all 3 of these sites have different varieties of ethnobotanicals, but i'm pretty sure you can get san pedro, or peruvian torch from any of them.  peruvinan torch typically has higher mescaline content than san pedro.  research the topic on erowid.org  that place is a wealth of knowledge.
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: PiggyPie on May 10, 2012, 11:08 am
Conservative estimates put Peruvian Torch at around 2-3% mescaline i think. Therefor 30g of dried should provide around 600-900mg, plenty to get a good trip. I read that boiling it in tea weakened it ? something to do with the heat breaking down the mescaline, but i was never very good at chemistry so im not sure if its correct. The alcohol extraction seems like the best bet to me. Seeing as you can probably buy 30g of dried cactus for around £25 (30ish euros) it is probably worth doing it yourself cost wise
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: SRTRAVLER on May 11, 2012, 12:02 am
now....I dont feel right just giving away sources because it took me a butt load of time to find em, but hell, I want more people to experience mescaline, it will make the world a better place.


This is the BEST source for pedro/peruvian skins,  Cheapest and highest quality.


http://comprasperu.com/product_info.php?cPath=37&products_id=323

Enjoy fellas ;)
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: PlaneMode on May 11, 2012, 04:56 am
Ok, all you guys that are planning on extracting, be sure to put some up for sell :D
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: Joeyjojojr on May 11, 2012, 08:05 am
Do some research on trichocerous bridgesii.

You can order the shit online very easily. Look up a bridgesii tea tek online. This shit tastes horrible, but will you will be FUBAR'ed if you can manage to get it down.

Also it was mentioned earlier, but an everclear extraction is another good option. Mescaline is found in many cacti that are legal and available to order online including (strongest to weakest IMO):

-Peyote (if you are in EU i think its legal to order?)
-Bridgesii
-Peruvian Torch
-San Pedro

Peyote and bridgesii have MAOI compunds in them that actually make the trip stronger than pure mescaline, but at the same time can have unpleasant side effects (i.e vomiting, etc), so be sure to do some research before consuming either.
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: SRTRAVLER on May 11, 2012, 10:25 am
theres a lot of talk saying that bridgesii has maoi but they aren't actually maois. They a flavonoids that act as mao-inhibitors

Trichocereus bridgesii
Mescaline 50/100g fresh >50%
3-Methoxytyramine <1%
3,4-Dimethoxyphenylethylamine <1%
Tyramine <1%
Bridgesigenin A
Bridgesigenin B
Kaempferol Flavonoid acting as a Mao-i
Quercetin Flavonoid acting as a Mao-i


Now as you see above Kaempferol and Quercetin are labeled as flavonoids because in fact they are.

Kaempferol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaempferol

Quercetin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercetin

Here the studies that have proven that they also act like Mao-i

Kaempferol
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1335695

Quercetin
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/np060015w
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: dondija on May 11, 2012, 02:47 pm
Thanks for the info!
Know any reputable sites where i can buy some dried skins? The Walmart, etc option doesn't apply to me as I live in EU, not US.

People saying that using mescaline from San Pedro is easy....it's not. The potency varies greatly and to really prepare properly you need to do a lot of prep work, multiple extractions, etc. I went through all the work twice with SP and failed both times (well one VERY mild trip).

From what I hear bridgesii is the way to go, or Peruvian torch (or those might be the same  :P). I think I'm going to save and check out some mescaline HCL myself  8)
Title: Re: Why is Mescaline so expensive?
Post by: dondija on May 11, 2012, 02:52 pm
Oh and if it's just cuttings your looking for, just hop on Ebay! I ordered what was supposed to be 2 ft. of SP one time, the guy sent me closer to 8 ft in a long box like fishing pole size