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Title: US Customs Blacklist, does it exist?
Post by: webcinc on June 02, 2012, 05:35 am
Hello, I'm missing 3 orders placed by 3 different venders (all from Netherlands). I was wondering if anyone knows if US customs has me on some sort of shit list.
Didn't receive any letter either.
Thanks!
Title: Re: US Customs Blacklist, does it exist?
Post by: ron1n on June 02, 2012, 08:00 am
US Customs has the Netherlands on their shit list, not you.
Title: Re: US Customs Blacklist, does it exist?
Post by: Joeyjojojr on June 02, 2012, 08:37 am
I think by law if they open and confiscate a package you must receive a letter. The only thing is there is no set amount of time that they have to send the letter to you. It could take a week or a over a month to receive the "love letter", and if you order more in this time period they are likely to be looking out for things sent in your name. Just my .002 based on what ive read here and in other forums as i have no first hand experience with this matter.
Title: Re: US Customs Blacklist, does it exist?
Post by: ralph123 on June 02, 2012, 11:03 am
Yea it really sux because vendors in the netherlands have some of the best prices and a lot of them wont ship to the US because of the customs situation and who could blame them?
Title: Re: US Customs Blacklist, does it exist?
Post by: Limetless on June 02, 2012, 11:21 am
Yes customs of all countries have black lists but it's more complex than this. It's divided into the following

Countries - Mail/parcels batches are more likely to be randomly searched from drug producing/transportation centers. Examples of this-

Netherlands
Mexico
Peru
Colombia
Pakistan
Thailand
Burma
Bali
Afghanistan
Turkey
Italy
Spain
Portugal

You will have blacklisted companies/corporations that are connected with organised crime. Examples

Cartels
Triads
Jakuza
Mafia
Russian/Albanian Mafia
Corporations known to launder money for said groups

Finally blacklisted individuals, addresses.

Occasionally you will get areas within a specific place blacklisted but this is generally for specific LE operations (this is done in the Favellas in South America sometimes and has been done in Pakistan to combat terrorism).

There ya go. Hope this helps. :)
Title: Re: US Customs Blacklist, does it exist?
Post by: ralph123 on June 02, 2012, 11:27 am
dam man so if you order from those countries then you could be adding your name to the list of addresses that they are watching
Title: Re: US Customs Blacklist, does it exist?
Post by: Limetless on June 02, 2012, 11:52 am
Yeah but that is A. only if you are caught and B. if you are receiving small amounts through the post (particularly letters) the likelihood of your mail being found is extremely minor. You have to bare in mind that the U.S processes 200 Billion pieces of mail per year. Even if you order 1-2 times a week from here, them's still fooking good odds.

When you think of blacklists you should thinking more along the lines of things like commercial shipping to from those countries to here. From the categories I have given you the ones that are the most likely to be to be searched are commercial shipping like air-freight and shipping containers because that's how the big shipments go through customs and that is what they are after.

The only real way that people from buying from SR are really going to get put on those lists are if you are either unlucky enough to have a package clocked or if you have previous shit on your record that would give them reason to check your mail.

I live in the U.K which is the a fraction of the size of the U.K (1/5th of the size of Texas) and we have a fraction of the population and thus a fraction of the mail and the odds of getting clocked are still minute receiving. The U.S really has much less to be concerned about IMO.

Title: Re: US Customs Blacklist, does it exist?
Post by: ralph123 on June 02, 2012, 11:57 am
I hope your right. Thanks man
Title: Re: US Customs Blacklist, does it exist?
Post by: sitdown on June 02, 2012, 12:51 pm
Limetless is spot-on.

What's also significant is that some countries' customs examine letters and some don't. My understanding is that in the UK, for example, letter mail just doesn't go through customs at all (whereas it does in Oz, which is one reason shipping there is more dangerous). This could be wrong and I'm happy to be corrected but I think it's true.

Personally I think, from casual observation, that the number of international orders not received by SR customers really seems to exceed that which could reasonably be explained by random custom seizures, and this leads me to suspect that for a number of vendors, randomly not bothering to send the odd international order which has either been finalized early, or which they only plan to refund 50%, and assuming that the customer will accept 'customs' as an explanation for not getting their product, is a routine way of topping up their profits.

  It's true that mail from NL is always a specific issue, but there are routine reports of non-receipts of, say, US vendors shipping small orders to UK customers and goods not arriving, and this is frankly just not plausible. I have family on both sides of the Atlantic and have been sending mail both ways all my life and while it's normal for maybe one parcel in ten to get checked by customs, it's completely unheard of for them to look at letter mail.

On the other hand, this goes both ways. I've advised at least one vendor on here that if a customer claims not to have received a letter shipped to the UK then they are just lying. UK letters don't get lost and they don't get opened by customs - or at least not more often than someone you know gets struck by lightning or hit by a car...

Worth thinking about...
Title: Re: US Customs Blacklist, does it exist?
Post by: webcinc on June 02, 2012, 10:13 pm
Thanks everyone for your input. I do understand that countries like the Netherlands are on US Customs shit list but... I have ordered a few times before this and my letter was received in about 5 days. 2 out of 3 of these venders I have ordered from before and letter was received! All I did was
duplicate these orders and now 2 weeks have past and nothing. The third order is from a vender I have not tried before and still nothing after about 2 weeks. All these venders have good feedback rating too. I don't know what to think, it sucks because as someone posted above they do have the best product and great prices. These are small orders too... Talking about like $40 or $50 bucks worth of product. Would a vender really need to fuck me over for $20 or $25 bucks? I certainly hope not.
Title: Re: US Customs Blacklist, does it exist?
Post by: shoehorn on June 03, 2012, 02:32 pm
Is India very high on the radar generally speaking?
Title: Re: US Customs Blacklist, does it exist?
Post by: Limetless on June 03, 2012, 02:36 pm
Is India very high on the radar generally speaking?

India is a country of interest yeah but not quite as high as other places in the region because it's not a narco-supplying country for Heroin in the same way that say Pakistan/Afghanistan/Burma but is a transportation route. Having said that though India is a central hotspot for Ketamine production. It's one of the nations that sits on the fence.