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Title: Suboxone a Miracle drug?
Post by: Pressed Rat on September 17, 2013, 05:39 pm
a few months ago i got some dope and banged it twice a day for about a week. i then went through withdraw and took a whole 8mg suboxone strip. Wow! talk about great medicine. it wiped all withdraw symptoms away. i then used a half for a couple days, then a quarter, then an 1/8. to this day i still take an 1/8 of a strip daily. to me it makes me feel so much better at such a low dose.
if i wake up, feel shitty and dragging ass, i put an 1/8 of a strip under my tongue, lay down for 15 minutes and i'm go to go.
my friend get them prescribed to her. she gets 2 strips a day. she only uses a half a strip. its amazing how much this medicine works at such a low dose. I feel if i do a whole strip im bouncing off the walls.
Anyone else take subs like this?
Title: Re: Suboxone a Miracle drug?
Post by: Flowski on September 17, 2013, 07:01 pm
For some it definitely is. For your situation, I would say no.

If you used for a just a week, there's no way that your withdrawals were so bad that you needed subs. Not saying you didn't have any WD's, but I doubt they were anything that you couldn't handle with some loperamide and maybe benzos. Honestly, you should have just toughed it out. Look at you now, a few months later and you're addicted to subs because you used heroin for a week. That's not worth it.

It's great for people who have used dope for years, and their opiod receptors are so fucked that they're miserable without at least some kind of opiate. Not talking about just WD's, some people are truly miserable months after they've stopped using.

Title: Re: Suboxone a Miracle drug?
Post by: Pressed Rat on September 17, 2013, 07:28 pm
For some it definitely is. For your situation, I would say no.

If you used for a just a week, there's no way that your withdrawals were so bad that you needed subs. Not saying you didn't have any WD's, but I doubt they were anything that you couldn't handle with some loperamide and maybe benzos. Honestly, you should have just toughed it out. Look at you now, a few months later and you're addicted to subs because you used heroin for a week. That's not worth it.

It's great for people who have used dope for years, and their opiod receptors are so fucked that they're miserable without at least some kind of opiate. Not talking about just WD's, some people are truly miserable months after they've stopped using.

There is some truth to this i'm sure. yes i only used dope for a short time but i was getting sick. i cant judge levels of dope sick but i hated waking up sick. the subs worked. BUT i dont think i will have a suboxone addiction just using 1mg a day.
i dont know, it helps me. sounds weird and my friend said it was all in my head but i don't think so.
ill get some benzo's and stop taking the subs next week and see what happens.
Title: Re: Suboxone a Miracle drug?
Post by: baconbits32 on September 17, 2013, 08:10 pm
I'd have to say using suboxone to get off a week long "addiction" to heroin was not a good idea. I'm sure you felt like crap but you would have been back to normal after 3 days, 1 week is no where near long enough to start getting into the psychological addiction part of opiates - which of course is the worst part.


Having said that, suboxone is a great drug. At one point it was my drug of choice. I found snorting it was literally about 10x stronger, and I could make 1 pill or strip(add water to strips to snort) could be broken up into 32 or even 64 doses. Basically 10 8mg suboxone would last me 3 or 4 months at one point. It's also has an unusual effect I've never seen in drugs, it has like a reverse tolerance. After being on it a while, I could take a half dose and it still felt the same. I guess that's why they use it to treat addiction, idea being you halve your dose gradually.

However, after starting heroin, it kind of ruined suboxone for me. I used to be able to switch between other opiates (hydrocodone, oxycodone, etc) and suboxone and be fine. Now, If I use heroin for 3 or 4+ days, I feel like crap switching back to suboxone. Granted it's no where near full on WDs, but it still sucks for 2 or 3 days. Then it kinda gets back to normal, feeling "decent." I think heroin gives such a strong euphoric high, and of course suboxone doesn't that it just takes time to get used to that loss.

All in all, suboxone is a great drug. But you'll get addicted it to like any other opiate. Best way to quit a short term addiction like that is to just suck it up and stop. I look back when I first started doing codeine and hydrocodone for a month or 2, and the withdrawals from that was NOTHING. The earlier the better.
Title: Re: Suboxone a Miracle drug?
Post by: anonypunk on September 17, 2013, 09:40 pm
No offense but I'm in the "all in your head" crowd on this. One week of use is childs play and you if think those withdraws were tough and you had to wean yourself off I'd really hate for you to have to go through the real deal. It's one of the most horrible things I've gone through and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I don't mean to discredit you or say your sickness wasn't real its just that with one week of use you could have easily gone cold turkey. I do it often just to keep the tolerance as low as possible. Plus other non-opiate drugs can easily be used to stop the mental stuff.
Title: Re: Suboxone a Miracle drug?
Post by: 88fxstc on September 18, 2013, 12:42 am
All in yer head vote here too.
And Subs?? Get the F off them!! They have a place , but it's not for someone using dope for a week.
Dude, I went from doing 12-15 OC 80's/day, the good oldschool ones , not OP crap, to Subs, and stayed on the Subs for about 3 years, and when I had to get off the Subs, I regretted ever taking them. They were hell to get off for me personally, and the WD's just lingered on, and on and on.....  I would have been better off just withdrawing off of the OC's.
Title: Re: Suboxone a Miracle drug?
Post by: DrugsAreFun on September 18, 2013, 01:18 am
For some it definitely is. For your situation, I would say no.

If you used for a just a week, there's no way that your withdrawals were so bad that you needed subs. Not saying you didn't have any WD's, but I doubt they were anything that you couldn't handle with some loperamide and maybe benzos. Honestly, you should have just toughed it out. Look at you now, a few months later and you're addicted to subs because you used heroin for a week. That's not worth it.

It's great for people who have used dope for years, and their opiod receptors are so fucked that they're miserable without at least some kind of opiate. Not talking about just WD's, some people are truly miserable months after they've stopped using.

There is some truth to this i'm sure. yes i only used dope for a short time but i was getting sick. i cant judge levels of dope sick but i hated waking up sick. the subs worked. BUT i dont think i will have a suboxone addiction just using 1mg a day.
i dont know, it helps me. sounds weird and my friend said it was all in my head but i don't think so.
ill get some benzo's and stop taking the subs next week and see what happens.

You'll have worse withdrawals coming off 1mg Suboxone than you will coming off a week of heroin use.  I used Suboxone to wean myself off of IV Dilaudids among other opiates.  People underestimate how strong it is.  8mg should never be taken unless you're a full on shoot heroin 3 times a day addict and you should never feel like "bouncing off the walls" from your Suboxone dose.  If you have an actual habit, it won't do anything but alleviate withdrawal symptoms.

For your purposes, all you've done is delayed the inevitable withdrawals and potentially made them worse by taking a drug that doesn't even get you high.  When I finally kicked my habit for good, I had tapered down to less than half of a mg a day.  I would take my 8mg pill, crush it into powder, divide the powder in half, then in half again, until I had about 60 doses no larger than the size of a match head.  I would take maybe 2-3 of those a day at the most.  When I decided I was ready to stop taking it, I still went through shitty withdrawals and unlike heroin or other short lasting opiates, the Suboxone withdrawals lasted over 2 weeks.  Give it time before you think you're out of the woods too because even 48 hours after your last dose, you could very well have a considerable amount of Suboxone still in your system (unlike heroin where you'd be in full withdrawal 48 hours in and be starting to get better in the next couple days, Suboxone and its withdrawals just linger that much longer.)

If that wasn't enough reason to stay away, consider that Suboxone will block the effects of other opiates.  It has a higher affinity to your opiate receptors (especially at higher doses) than any of the standard opiates.  In fact if you were to overdose on Suboxone, the standard cure of IV Naloxone that is very effective in reversing heroin overdoses would do little to nothing for you.  So if you were to take 4-8mg of Suboxone, you could shoot twice your normal dose of heroin and it would very likely not even give you a buzz (please don't actually try this though.)
Title: Re: Suboxone a Miracle drug?
Post by: 88fxstc on September 18, 2013, 02:21 am
For some it definitely is. For your situation, I would say no.

If you used for a just a week, there's no way that your withdrawals were so bad that you needed subs. Not saying you didn't have any WD's, but I doubt they were anything that you couldn't handle with some loperamide and maybe benzos. Honestly, you should have just toughed it out. Look at you now, a few months later and you're addicted to subs because you used heroin for a week. That's not worth it.

It's great for people who have used dope for years, and their opiod receptors are so fucked that they're miserable without at least some kind of opiate. Not talking about just WD's, some people are truly miserable months after they've stopped using.

There is some truth to this i'm sure. yes i only used dope for a short time but i was getting sick. i cant judge levels of dope sick but i hated waking up sick. the subs worked. BUT i dont think i will have a suboxone addiction just using 1mg a day.
i dont know, it helps me. sounds weird and my friend said it was all in my head but i don't think so.
ill get some benzo's and stop taking the subs next week and see what happens.

You'll have worse withdrawals coming off 1mg Suboxone than you will coming off a week of heroin use.  I used Suboxone to wean myself off of IV Dilaudids among other opiates.  People underestimate how strong it is.  8mg should never be taken unless you're a full on shoot heroin 3 times a day addict and you should never feel like "bouncing off the walls" from your Suboxone dose.  If you have an actual habit, it won't do anything but alleviate withdrawal symptoms.

For your purposes, all you've done is delayed the inevitable withdrawals and potentially made them worse by taking a drug that doesn't even get you high.  When I finally kicked my habit for good, I had tapered down to less than half of a mg a day.  I would take my 8mg pill, crush it into powder, divide the powder in half, then in half again, until I had about 60 doses no larger than the size of a match head.  I would take maybe 2-3 of those a day at the most.  When I decided I was ready to stop taking it, I still went through shitty withdrawals and unlike heroin or other short lasting opiates, the Suboxone withdrawals lasted over 2 weeks.  Give it time before you think you're out of the woods too because even 48 hours after your last dose, you could very well have a considerable amount of Suboxone still in your system (unlike heroin where you'd be in full withdrawal 48 hours in and be starting to get better in the next couple days, Suboxone and its withdrawals just linger that much longer.)

If that wasn't enough reason to stay away, consider that Suboxone will block the effects of other opiates.  It has a higher affinity to your opiate receptors (especially at higher doses) than any of the standard opiates.  In fact if you were to overdose on Suboxone, the standard cure of IV Naloxone that is very effective in reversing heroin overdoses would do little to nothing for you.  So if you were to take 4-8mg of Suboxone, you could shoot twice your normal dose of heroin and it would very likely not even give you a buzz (please don't actually try this though.)

+1 Brutha/Sista??
Sub WD's are freakin nasty!!
Title: Re: Suboxone a Miracle drug?
Post by: baconbits32 on September 18, 2013, 03:24 am

If that wasn't enough reason to stay away, consider that Suboxone will block the effects of other opiates.  It has a higher affinity to your opiate receptors (especially at higher doses) than any of the standard opiates.  In fact if you were to overdose on Suboxone, the standard cure of IV Naloxone that is very effective in reversing heroin overdoses would do little to nothing for you.  So if you were to take 4-8mg of Suboxone, you could shoot twice your normal dose of heroin and it would very likely not even give you a buzz (please don't actually try this though.)


Definitely don't try that because the naloxone in suboxone is ONLY active if you IV the suboxone. It does not block opioids when snorting, sublingually, etc. It is just there as an anti abuse for people that try to IV it.
I take suboxone + heroin within hours of each all the time, doesn't affect it. (Snorting)



Also, what I did one time when coming off suboxone was to take tramadol for a week or 2 right before the end. I didn't really have any bad effects from transitioning from the suboxone to tramadol, actually felt pretty good. And the withdrawals only lasted 3ish days, maybe a little into 4th. I also ran on a treadmill for an hour one day though, that helps big time to sweat out all the drug remnants.