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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: Trainwrecked on March 27, 2012, 03:34 am
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So, here's a question. What do you prefer? Drugs that have been around for a long time (cocaine, marijuana, lsd, mdma, etc.), or research chemicals? If so, which ones have you tried and enjoyed?
I've only tried your basics. Weed, shrooms, lsd, mdma, cocaine, etc. I snorted 2C-I once and didn't get much out of it other than a burning sensation. I've tried Ketamine and MXE, and I definitely prefer Ketamine over MXE due to the sedative effect K gives. I tried DOC once, most horrible experience of my life. Looking to maybe experiment a little, and some feedback would be nice!
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I still haven't found anything I like more than weed or mdma. There are quite a few worthwhile RC's, but it seems best drugs are the famous ones, and RC's are for people who like to experiment more.
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A drug's age has nothing to do with how much I like it.
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Research Chemicals definitely offer something for the more adventurous drug users. They're a lot like the legendary drugs you know and love; rough around the edges sometimes, but with some slightly new features.
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My concern with research chemicals is health and safety. With established drugs, you pretty much know what you're getting yourself into.
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MDMA and LSD were once "research chemicals" themselves and there are plenty of others out there that have a lot of potential.
The term "research chemical" is really only applied to drugs whose legal status is not yet determined or outlawed completely yet. There are a lot of psychoactive chemical that have been discovered but not popularised in the way MDMA and LSD have but they are out there.
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My concern with research chemicals is health and safety. With established drugs, you pretty much know what you're getting yourself into.
Many 'established' drugs have been used far less than the more popular research chemicals, by now. So far the chemicals chosen as 'research chemicals' for psychoactive purposes tend to be based on the structures of neurotransmitters and established safe known chemicals, only being slight variations, and having little chance of additional side effects. Most chemicals of each 'class' that are widely used are fairly similar to one another within the same class.
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Well you can't say I like the "original" drugs or research chemicals more.
I like some illegal drugs and I like some research chemicals (which are btw not all legal, too :D)
Best RC I've done was 2C-E - I had VERY strong optics, MUCH more intense than LSD, but LSD gives me a totally different feeling I just love... well, every drug is special, you can't say "this one's better than this".
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i enjoy both, past year i have dabbled more in rcs than drugs. 4 aco dmt, doc, mxe, m1, 2ci, 2ce, 4mmc, 4fma, pv, pretty much dabbled in all of it.
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I would take something known and well researched for years over something that hasn't any single day of the year.
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Bath Salts, synthetic weed and most research chemicals have given me only bad experiences. I had my gf try some synth weed and she sat in the shower for 20 minutes visually seeing horrible ways she could die.
fuck
that
shit
I stick to hash, green and shrooms from time to time. MDMA/LSD/K are fun too, but sparingly.
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The only research chemical I've tried is MXE, which I fucking love. I've had a bunch of 2C-I for awhile, but haven't found the time to try it yet.
I think I'd rather do shrooms, MDMA, K, and smoke real weed, though, over any RCs.
I am, however, interested in MDPV, Mephedrone, 4-FA, 4-ACO-DMT, 5-MEO-DIPT, and all of the 2C's.
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Well you can't say I like the "original" drugs or research chemicals more.
It's true. They all really offer their own unique characteristics. It all really just depends on what I'm in the mood for.
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Drugs are good, Mmm'kay?
All drugs, uh, research drugs, uh, old fashioned drugs, uh, like laudanum... Mmm'kay?
Uhhhh... Do your homework Mmm'kay, on uh, whatever, you know, uh, drugs you use Mmm'kay?
But, uhhh, drugs are good, Mmm'kay? They can, uh, some drugs are bad, Mmm'kay, but most are good. Mmm'kay?
Drugs are good, Mmm'kay?
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Well my top 3 drugs are cannabis, n2o and AMT.
Although n2o isn't a research chemical (at least to the best of my knowledge) they are both legal (in the UK) and easily in the top 3 with no contest.
As far as RC go i have only done AMT and MXE. AMT is brilliant and better than MDMA imo, huge euphoria while still being in complete control and with no comedown, truly a shout for my true favorite drug im only surprised more people don't do it or haven't heard of it.
I didn't like MXE but i can see why people do, my friend said it was very similar to his experiences of ket but he is no expert.
So generally i think RC are often better than illegal drugs but that being said ive never found a legal replacement for cannabis, salvia was good but quite different and id still take cannabis over it.
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So generally i think RC are often better than illegal drugs but that being said ive never found a legal replacement for cannabis, salvia was good but quite different and id still take cannabis over it.
Dude, you really can't compare salvia with cannabis! Idk why everybody's doing that, same thing with those guys who think PCP would be like cannabis Oo
Salvia is one of the strongest natural hallucinogenics you can find on mother earth!
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No i completely agree with you they are incomparable, i merely meant a lot of people tout it as a replacement, not that i actually think it is =)
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My concern with research chemicals is health and safety. With established drugs, you pretty much know what you're getting yourself into.
^This.
Though I've got a thing for MDPV.
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Most of the research chemicals haven't been good to me. Pyrovalenes and cathinones are extremely cardiotoxic (with one worthwhile exception being now scheduled mephedrone) at effective doses, I'd say crack cocaine is probably safer than that. From phenethylamines, only mild 2C-D is something I'd care to repeat, simply because speedier trips are too confusing as in fact all psychedelics are. Synthetic cannabinoids do a good job, but I havent tested them extensively, plus they have reputation for sending people to a hospital with panic attacks, and do raise my pulse up somewhat though it could have been for psychological rather than pharmacological reasons. Phenazepam OD almost cost me my job and scared the shit out of my family, so I wouldn't recommend that either.
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Synthetic cannabinoids do a good job, but I havent tested them extensively, plus they have reputation for sending people to a hospital with panic attacks, and do raise my pulse up somewhat though it could have been for psychological rather than pharmacological reasons.
Yeah, those panic attacks come to users who think it would be like THC, but synthetic cannabiniods can be VERY psychedelic. 80mg of JWH-122 make me see colours on the walls (without tolerance, of course. Otherwise I need about 100mg for those effects. No pure JWH-122 of course, I've got the incense "OMG" for free from a friend.). But damn, am I the only one who always gets an erection like hell on that stuff? :D
Btw, did anybody try synthetic cannabiniods orally? I'm really interested 'bout this, but I'm just not sure what dosage I can take without a risk. I've noticed my pulse raises up when I do JWH-122, too.
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I've read on some forums about quite a few people using different JWH compounds orally.
It's always stressed to be very careful and know the dosage of course though.
I myself have never tried the oral route I just make my own spice with 210 or 018 broken down in everclear.
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Think I'm gonna start like always, with a VERY low dosage which I'll slowly increase. Would be alot easier if I'd got the pure JWH, or would at least know how much JWH comes on one mg of that incense...
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I didn't know you were talking about eating pre-made incense. Or even worse, incense made with ???? and made by ?????
I would be very careful about doing that. I would actually be too afraid to do that.
There are a lot of resources to get the powder so I would try to do that from a trusted source to do oral ingestion.
Just my 2 cents but if you ingest too much it will probably be worse than smoking since it takes longer too realize you fucked up and are about to be taken for a ride. At least with smoking you have a better warning since it comes on faster, and you can better tell if you're getting too much before you've had WAY too much and want to call the ambulance. :-[
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I know about the risks, I've done pretty much psychedelics so I can handle horrortrips a little, but the healthy aspect... I thought about other poisonous ingredients in this incense, too... I know the psychoactive substance is JWH-122 for sure (lab test), but I don't know which parfumes and shit they've token...
I wouldn't even have an incense if my buddy didn't give it away to me for free^^
But I'm not THAT interested in synthetic cannabinoids that I'd spend money on them. Think I'm gonna smoke that incense and if I get the chance to test some pure stuff, I'll search for a good dosage to take it orally.
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I didn't know you were talking about eating pre-made incense. Or even worse, incense made with ???? and made by ?????
I would be very careful about doing that. I would actually be too afraid to do that.
There are a lot of resources to get the powder so I would try to do that from a trusted source to do oral ingestion.
Just my 2 cents but if you ingest too much it will probably be worse than smoking since it takes longer too realize you fucked up and are about to be taken for a ride. At least with smoking you have a better warning since it comes on faster, and you can better tell if you're getting too much before you've had WAY too much and want to call the ambulance. :-[
*ahem*
I think you mean your two bitcoins. Remember where you are.
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Well, after this weekend I must say my favorite psychedelic drug happens to be RC - 4-AcO-DMT <3
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Well, after this weekend I must say my favorite psychedelic drug happens to be RC - 4-AcO-DMT <3
Haha if you like that then come have a look at my prices for it fella! ;)
Personally I like the Holy Trinity (or Unholy..whatever lol) of MDMA, Cocaine and Ketamine occasionally adding MDA and Mephedrone into the mix to form the Pentagram of Doom!
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I still haven't found anything I like more than weed or mdma. There are quite a few worthwhile RC's, but it seems best drugs are the famous ones, and RC's are for people who like to experiment more.
well put.
i have tried some of the 2c-x, and while they can lead to some problems if you over-do em (hppd, mainly), a few are worthwhile. i wholeheartedly agree that RCs are for the more experimental ones. It's a funny market to deal with, really :P But, 2c-b is a great drug, and so is 2c-e and i. i cannot speak on c, but i hear good things. i have some 2c-p on the way, so we will see. like all things - moderation. i also supremely enjoy 25i-NBOMe but an insufflating 4-5mg blew my mind, literally, and has put me in a hypomanic / cyclothemic state for a week now. i have underlying stuff, so that is why, really...
anywwhoooo, some of the 3 meos show promise. 3 meo pce is great. i have some 3 meo dipt (foxy methoxy) coming, and hear good things. RCs are for those willing to forgo the lack of evidence and enter the proverbial void through, well, possibly long-term dmging chemicals. we just dont know. mxe definitely has kidney / bladder problems. dont listen to the hype. also, got a friend that did wayyyy too many 2c-x's over a year and he has, well, a speech 'thing'
some friends tried MDA and loved it. a friend had methylone and disliked it, too muc jaw clench too little roll. your brain will react uniquely but, of course, similarly. bob said 5aco dmt is the shit also. 5 meo dmt kind of scares me. im fine with nn, for now, thanks :P
researched chems are safer and better to start on. also, you can be just as crazy a psychonaut with em' too. RCs are there if youre willing to dedicate your brain to science and enter the matrix through new or tweaked mechanisms ;D also, if youre on a budget, they tend to be MUCH cheaper than classic chems.
do your research, know your body, know your limits (or at least try ;) )
good luck!
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Synthetic cannabinoids do a good job, but I havent tested them extensively, plus they have reputation for sending people to a hospital with panic attacks, and do raise my pulse up somewhat though it could have been for psychological rather than pharmacological reasons.
Yeah, those panic attacks come to users who think it would be like THC, but synthetic cannabiniods can be VERY psychedelic. 80mg of JWH-122 make me see colours on the walls (without tolerance, of course. Otherwise I need about 100mg for those effects. No pure JWH-122 of course, I've got the incense "OMG" for free from a friend.). But damn, am I the only one who always gets an erection like hell on that stuff? :D
Btw, did anybody try synthetic cannabiniods orally? I'm really interested 'bout this, but I'm just not sure what dosage I can take without a risk. I've noticed my pulse raises up when I do JWH-122, too.
also, weed can be a psychedelic. i mean, well, its a hallucinogen. you just needa smoke more. get some hash or some honey oil and take some massive rips. you will get 'colours on the walls'. I used to do synthetic pots, and yeah, i dont think its a good idea to do em daily. i was smoking it throughout the day and well, it fucks your brain up more than heavy weed use, which i still am on...and yeah of course your 'pulse raises up'...you should read about these chems and give them more respect, man...no offense, but i feel like its people like you that got mxe banned and will continue getting RCs banned...but hey, who am i to talk - i induced a manic episode lol...
seriously, though, RESPECT THE CHEMICAL. doing some research can really save some brain cells and hospital visits
edit: make it a sativa if you wanna 'trip' :) ....just finished some great dry pressed satori hash from sinsimellaman and damn, shit had me FUCKED :D weed is a depressant, stimulant, and hallucinogen. it has a buncha qualities, really. but it DEFINITELY is psychedelic
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I didn't know you were talking about eating pre-made incense. Or even worse, incense made with ???? and made by ?????
I would be very careful about doing that. I would actually be too afraid to do that.
There are a lot of resources to get the powder so I would try to do that from a trusted source to do oral ingestion.
Just my 2 cents but if you ingest too much it will probably be worse than smoking since it takes longer too realize you fucked up and are about to be taken for a ride. At least with smoking you have a better warning since it comes on faster, and you can better tell if you're getting too much before you've had WAY too much and want to call the ambulance. :-[
*ahem*
I think you mean your two bitcoins. Remember where you are.
Oh shit my bad cerealbox. You'd think after the hell it took me to figure out bc's (I am the opposite of a techie) I would have bc's on the brain! I gueass it's what I spent those coins on that's got me slippin. ;D
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also, weed can be a psychedelic. i mean, well, its a hallucinogen. you just needa smoke more. get some hash or some honey oil and take some massive rips. you will get 'colours on the walls'. I used to do synthetic pots, and yeah, i dont think its a good idea to do em daily. i was smoking it throughout the day and well, it fucks your brain up more than heavy weed use, which i still am on...and yeah of course your 'pulse raises up'...you should read about these chems and give them more respect, man...no offense, but i feel like its people like you that got mxe banned and will continue getting RCs banned...but hey, who am i to talk - i induced a manic episode lol...
seriously, though, RESPECT THE CHEMICAL. doing some research can really save some brain cells and hospital visits
Dude, I know weed can be psychedelic, too. Even more if you do it orally. I had some experiences compareable to acid when doing some nice hash orally... But you can't denie synthetic cannabinoids are WAY more potent. Actually hundreds of times.
And it's definitely not "people like me" who got anything banned. Seriously, did you even read what I wrote? I said I won't do this premade-stuff orally because I don't know about poisonous parfumes or other shit they used. I said I'd only do the pure stuff orally, and that I'll inform myself about the dosage first. I also said I'll start with a VERY low dosage (like always) and will slowly raise it. Hell, I even did a fucking lab test to know the exact psychoactive substance. And the increased pulse is just a normal side effect of this substance I worried about. I don't know how "people like me" cause a ban of a substance if they say they will be VERY cautious because they don't want to risk their health?
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Well one of my favorite drugs is weed and the others are RC's. I recently tried AMT and it was the best drug i have ever taken. It blew me away
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My only experience of RCs was a mate buying some methadrone when it was legal. He projectile vomited during the night out out and described the experience as one of his drug taking valleys rather than a peak. He threw the rest of his gram away.
Ultimately if society went the way of legalisation I think we would have to compromise on what drugs are avaliable. I think we would see an increased trade in natural drugs. For example nobody deals in khat here - I know it has to be sent out fresh before it breaks down but I bet few here have used khat.
Other natural drugs include coca leaves. I'd be happy to have a mild cocaine hit chewing these and drinking a tea which is strong enough to make everyone a little more chatty.
As for research chemicals and hallucinagenics - why bother using some unknown when we have hundreds of substances out there - from frogs, to herbs and fungi and seeds. There is a world of 'good' natural highs out there. Taking the more rare ones would be as cutting edge as testing the RCs out.
If we said 'ok lets legalise all RCs' - the Chinese would be all over the place creating every conceivable high. But if the chemicals were legal they would have to assume responsibility for those who use them - just like the big pharm boys.
Drugs are meant to be enjoyed so ensuring safety has to the no 1 priority. I think we have enough drugs out there - but I agree that more will be found and ultimately people will have to take risks on any new product - including all the legal meds we have out there.
The reason we have the trade in RCs is due to the difficulty of sourcing good drugs. Methadrone became popular as a substitute for MDMA - for some the drug was on that wavelength but for others it was very toxic. With MDMA the toxicity of the drug is well within an acceptable range. Give 100 people MDMA and most will like it if not all! However - MDMA is a very powerful drug - and you can abuse it for sure.
My preference is tried and tested drugs. Above all cannabis is my all time fav and it can be used to do a myriad of good things - from getting you high to relaxing you when you have some illness. I have eaten a LOT of cannabis - and if you ingest enough of it then you will be on another planet almost. Fun thing is that you know you will not be dying in your sleep with cannabis - even if you 'overdose' you will be ok the next day.
Cannabis is the safest drug - but if you smoke it then smoking itself is not healthy. Its like anything in life - most people risk an early grave eating junk food and not exercising - I prefer a risk that at least has benefit to the individual.
Speed - I can hold my hand up as I used it a lot. Ultimatly it ought to be 'special occasion' drug. For anyone over the age of 30 speed tends to hit us harder than it used to. A 'good' speed means I would be like a kitten for several days after. Cocaine, its maybe the best drug for people who work - use some Friday and Sat and the damage is way less than that of speed. MDMA hits me hard also. People who say there is no comedown, well, every drug that takes you high as E has to have a come down which is equal to the high.
RCs are dangerous also. People buy a kilo of some RC and mix it with inert powders to create 'bath salts'. I know MDPV was used in some - people were getting wasted by daily use of these things - especially younger people who are by nature more reckless with intake (don't listen to your mates - read up on ANY drug you may use)
The synthetic cannabis mixes - my guess is they are carcinogenic due to the use of moldy old herbs - any old herb thrown in - (the dodgy spice mix made millions for the people who marketed it before it was made illegal) plus perfumes also. No way would this get a license to be sold ever. Synthetic cannabis even in the pure form is a poor poor substitute for real good honest weed or hash.
Coca, hash, cannabis, hallucinogenic plants, animals and whatever - we have used these things for thousands of years and survived. I'll take what nature has to offer before I dabble in man - made chemicals. Give me khat or coca - not amphetamine!
Mines a bud! ;)
Thanks for reading. :)