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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: Garrincha on June 24, 2013, 10:09 am
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What are peoples' favorite RCs? There are a lot of drugs here (usually one's in capital letters and numbers) that I'm not really sure of. I know sites like Erowid carry lots of info on RCs but what are SR users fave RCs and what are the different effects?
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Etizolams ::)
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What is Etizolam? Is it an RC benzo?
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Only one I've tried and can vouch for, 25i(nsanity)
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My favourites are Methylone, 4-FA and MXE.
Etizolam is also great for taking the edge off after stimulants.
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25i is amazing. Like being on acid bud cognitive of what's going on and energetic as hell not to mention the euphoria that it gives you is super nice. But if you can find it 2cb-fly but only had a low dose of it once which was really good. I'm really wanting to try 4aco-dmt has anyone had good or bad experiences with it?
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for me the nbomes , the price/quality relation is great
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6-MPA
5-MAPB
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+1 snark with the Methylone or bk-MDMA. This has been the best RC I have tried to date. You have to take more than MDMA but at the right dose I really doubt if most MDMA users could tell the difference. Around the 200-250mg orally is a good start.
Professional legal/semi legal labs producing gear of 99% purity - we are living in amazing times for RC's. I am sure people will look back and think those lucky devils! I have not noticed a listing for molly that claims much over 80% purity on the road.
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Silk Road carries most of the popular RC's....
4-FA, 2-FMA, Methylone...amphetamine/entactogen family....MDMA-like....
A-PVP....straight stimulant...chemically similar to MDPV
Etizolam...benzo RC...roughly substitutes for Xanax/Valium
MXE...dissociative family like Ketamine and DXM
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+1 snark with the Methylone or bk-MDMA. This has been the best RC I have tried to date. You have to take more than MDMA but at the right dose I really doubt if most MDMA users could tell the difference. Around the 200-250mg orally is a good start.
Professional legal/semi legal labs producing gear of 99% purity - we are living in amazing times for RC's. I am sure people will look back and think those lucky devils! I have not noticed a listing for molly that claims much over 80% purity on the road.
TOTALLY AGREE! I actually LIKE the RC's better than MDMA now!!!! WAY WAY WAY better in fact ;D
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TOTALLY AGREE! I actually LIKE the RC's better than MDMA now!!!! WAY WAY WAY better in fact ;D
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Really? I always heard there is nothing like MDMA? I actually just created a topic asking what drug made you feel the most similar.
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Can anyone recommend the best RC for someone who enjoys speed/ecstacy, rather than psychedelic drugs?
BTW, has anyone come up with any opiate RC's, or is that just a contradiction in terms?
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I would suggest that you contact me if you are looking for bulk research chemicals. I only bother to list huge methylone crystals because it is the most popular research chemical but I have a variety of pure research chemicals available for sale.
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Which is the most euphoria inducing, in the opinion of others?
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Can anyone recommend the best RC for someone who enjoys speed/ecstacy, rather than psychedelic drugs?
BTW, has anyone come up with any opiate RC's, or is that just a contradiction in terms?
There are quite a few RC's that mimic an amphetamine/mdma-type feeling. Perhaps the two most popular are Methylone ("M1") and 4-FA...these two are pretty easily found on the SR. I would say a step down from there would be 2-FMA, 4-FMA....these all actually mix a stimulant/amphetamine high with an entheogenic/entactogenic high. More straight "stimulant" RC's are A-PVP, mephedrone, 2-FA, 3-FA and MDPV. I could go on and on for ones that can be classified as cannabinoids, opiates, benzos, hallucinogens, etc. IMO, these ones would fit your bill, and are the most readily available. 8)
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Which is the most euphoria inducing, in the opinion of others?
That one is hard to pinpoint b/c it depends on your personal preferences, regular drug of choice, and what in your mind constitutes "euphoria." I personally enjoy uppers with an edge, so my personal faves are A-PVP, Mephedrone, and Methylone. 2-FA and 3-FA are fairly dependable stimulants. However some people just love 4-FA for it's amphetamine/MDMA-lite effects and people into MJ get really excited over the huge array of cannabinoid RC's like JWH-18, JWH-210, or 5F-PB-22.
It's really an alphabet soup smorgasbord out there, so if you are really interested in delving into the research chemical world please do your research, read the online forum BlueLight.Ru (LOTS of smart people there with chemistry degrees), Erowid, and Wikipedia (just for quick reference.)
Good Luck, it's a whole new world. ;)
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2ce
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OH....and the most important thing....INVEST in a SCALE !!!!!! Don't try to eyeball amounts. A 10 gram digital scale that reads accurately out to .001g is between 5 and 10 bucks on Amazon. It's a must have for any RC psychonaut.
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25c. It melts reality
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The only RC's I've tried are from the 2C-X family, but I have enjoyed them all very much. The nausea is a little much for me because I'm really sensitive to stomach discomfort, but even for me it's still worth it.
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Anyone tried 5-MeO-MiPT? Heard its similar to ecstasy but more psychedelic may be worth a try like other RC's its quite cheap
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My favorites would have to be 2c-b, bk-MDMA, 5-apb, 6-apb, 5-mapb, and 4-aco-dmt.
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My favorites would have to be 2c-b, bk-MDMA, 5-apb, 6-apb, 5-mapb, and 4-aco-dmt.
hows the 4-aco-dmt. really looking into it but not alot of people talk about it. does it really feel just like shrooms
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Where's a good resource to read up on RCs? I didn't even know of their existence, much less that there was a market for it, until I joined SR.
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Where's a good resource to read up on RCs? I didn't even know of their existence, much less that there was a market for it, until I joined SR.
Some good places to start......
bluelight.ru Excellent drug and RC discussion forum....very knowledgeable, concientious folks, many with science backgrounds....lots to absorb and read here, but it can get heavy
wikipedia Use this as a quick reference only...plug in the alphabet soup chemical name and out pops general category and class the RC falls under, plus chem structure, etc.
Erowid.org legendary drug library of experience reports and a multitude of other information...recommended dosages, etc.. Very good stuff here, easy to read.
Various RC forums: sciencefor.us. (US based) chemsrus.com (UK, EU based0
You will find fellow RC enthusiasts and vendors on these forums...don't get carried away at first, ask lots of questions, do your homework, and GET A SCALE !!! 8)
All these sites are on the vanilla web, if that bothers people....some say the RC forums are veritable honey pots...but I've been transacting business there for months without incident...just use your head and watch for scammers, b/c they are around.......good luck. :)
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My favorites would have to be 2c-b, bk-MDMA, 5-apb, 6-apb, 5-mapb, and 4-aco-dmt.
hows the 4-aco-dmt. really looking into it but not alot of people talk about it. does it really feel just like shrooms
I've only tried it once with a small dose, but at that level it felt on par with a gram or half eighth of mushrooms. It's not exactly the same trip, but very similar. 4aces is rumored to break down into psilocin in the body the same way that psilocybin does, although I'm not sure how well supported that theory is. I think the general consensus is that it likely does break down into pslocin, but is also active itself, meaning that the trip is a result of the psychoactive properties of both psilocin and psilocetin(4-aco-dmt) in conjunction.
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I would say my favorite RC I've tried thus far is 2c-b. Its like MDMA with a more psychedelic twist, but it does trigger some stomach discomfort. I spent three minute tripping balls and thinking I was going to vomit, but it wasn't nearly as scary as it sounds.
For someone a little more daring, DMT. With dmt its all about taking that third hit, then you can say hello to a new world you didnt know existed!
Synthetic cannabinoids work well, but do yourself a favor and don't ever smoke en entire blunt. The cannabinoids in these "herbal incense" packages are much more concentrated than what you find in your OG Kush. Be careful, I have personally experienced panic attacks from smoking too much and I've seen one person black out and another go belligerent for about an hour (a grown man lied in his bed screaming and crying). That was...interesting...to say the least.
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Etizolam...benzo RC...roughly substitutes for Xanax/Valium / klonopin since it helps with seizures as well :)
best n most proven in my eyes ?
BK-MDMA --- (nothing beats the real thing -- ) and wow does it bother me when so many people even compare them --- if u do real pure mdma nothing like bk witll even compare in any way ! -- yes its oK but not comparable --- its on its own - n i hate that some peeps try n pass it off to the young kids and other peeps who they know wont or cant test !
its too too bad ! it hurts the entire mdma industry -- n also makes it very dangerous on body ---
my opinion
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What are the opiate RC's, and would they interact with Suboxone?
Also, which are the most popular cannabinoid RC's?
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What are the opiate RC's, and would they interact with Suboxone?
Also, which are the most popular cannabinoid RC's?
There aren't a whole lot of opiate RC's with much history of usage. I would say MT-45 may be the most well known and easy to find. AH-7921 is another one, a little harder to track down. Tapentadol is an interesting one in that it has antidepressant and perhaps some stimulant effects that go along with the analgesia. O-desmethyltramadol is the only other one I can think of off the top of my head. It's pretty much what tramadol breaks down into after it passes thru the liver. O-desmethyltramadol is supposedly a stronger, more potent chemical than tramadol....but human usage reports have not been very enlightening.
It is my judgment at this time that none of the RC opiates are worth your time or money. I think oxycodone, oxymorphone, etc. do just great. and are well studied. I've never used Suboxone...so I can't say how that would react. I do know however, there are some folks who love one or more of these RCs and would disagree with me. MT-45 would be the one to investigate and research first, if your heart is set on it....in my opinion, of course. ;)
Jesus, LOL...there's so many cannabinoid RC's, with new ones being created every month, that it will leave your head spinning. I don't mess around with 'noids, b/c I'm not particularly fond of cannabis in the first place. I'll list the ones I hear about and see around the most though......JWH-18, JWH-200, JWH-250 (-there are a ton of JWH's!-), 5F-AKB-48, 5F-PB-22, and AB-FUBINACA. Please do you your research, there are so many of these out in the market now...and some are pretty wild, from what I hear. It's not like smoking a joint...these are chemicals that will react differently and possibly unpredictably. Sorry I couldn't help more....just not as experienced with the noids. Cheers and good luck. 8)
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I like MXE
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Thanks for a wealth of information everyone. I think it's time for the RC chemists to come up with some snappier titles for their new discoveries, lol.
I used to smoke incense every day for a while, but with no idea which compound was causing psychoactivity. Was never as pleasurable as the real thing though. Is there a synthetic cannabinoid that approaches the euphoria of cannabis itself?
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Thanks for a wealth of information everyone. I think it's time for the RC chemists to come up with some snappier titles for their new discoveries, lol.
I used to smoke incense every day for a while, but with no idea which compound was causing psychoactivity. Was never as pleasurable as the real thing though. Is there a synthetic cannabinoid that approaches the euphoria of cannabis itself?
eh fuck it. just grow the shit yourself. this is not the stuff you want to be smoking! look up some statements by the chemist that discovered jwh-18. he baiscally said you are fucking retarded if you smoke that shit. smoke the real thing. I believe a few synthetic cannabanoids were developed for the USA military as "safe" chemical warfare agents...
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Yeah sure, I know these compounds are dodgy to smoke. Some of the incense blends made you cough for ten minutes or more after smoking. I do not intend to smoke these chemicals anymore, but as most of them come as powder or whatever, i'd like to see what it's like to ingest or snort the stuff. Sorry to ask the same question again, but which of the many cannabis RC's replicates best, the euphoria of the real thing?
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I like MXE
Hey Fathead, I like MXE too..what is your typical dosage and do you prefer consuming it orally or snorting?? I had been using it only orally, but tried a line for the first time and really noticed a difference in the effects. I quite liked it.
My usual dosage was around 50mg....but I recently got a supply from a different vendor and 50mg really threw me for a loop. So I either was not consuming high grade MXE before this latest stash, or else something else was going on. What would you guess? 50mg usually is a good medium dose for me...but this time I was knocked sideways for quite awhile. 8) Thanks for any input you may have.........
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A lot of the RC's have body load. Back in the day, I guess 2CI was the most popular. Hilarious visuals; body load not hilarious at all. Likewise, whatever they're substituting for MDMA in today's "ecstasy" sucks balls IMO. Really good MDMA and really good acid have little if any body load. The emotional experience with RC's isn't as good either, IME, and that's what I'm really after. Visuals are a sideshow.
The only RC's I really liked were
2-CT-21. Gentle, lovely. Bathes the world in a golden glow. Odd olfactory hallucinations. Not recommended for the average user because it is active at very low doses, most people can't measure that accurately; one dope died doing a thumbprint. (If you flunked science, stay away from RC's.)
4-Aco-DIPT. Known on the street as "4 Aces." This is a fantastic drug, intense sexual stimulation, nice euphoria. Only RC I really miss.
But dude, there's reason most people use acid, shrooms, MDMA. They work better and have a better safety profile. (Even MDMA; look up MAPS website -- net net, you're more likely to croak taking Tylenol. Although to be fair, people croak from Tylenol all the time.) Acid has virtually no body load, the emotional trip is indescribable. You really don't have motivation to OD on it -- trust me, it's the gift that keeps on giving -- but even if you did, it won't likely kill you.
Me, I started with MDMA, then experimented with several RC's, then finally got hold of some really good acid, and at that point found what I was looking for.
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Something i've found with the speed/MDMA RCs, is that most of them are much of a muchness. They all differ in a subtle way I suppose but in my experience I would'nt be able to tell blind, which one i'm actually on. I know i'm showing my ignorance here but they just seem like speed or MDMA to me, just with different dosages.
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dpt
amt
mda
tiletamine/mxe/ketamine
2cc
tma-6
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I'm really wanting to try 4aco-dmt has anyone had good or bad experiences with it?
I had a horrible self-loathing experience on 30 mg of 4-aco-dmt. Very similar to mushrooms (which without fail I have a bad time on every time as well.) If you like shrooms give it a go.
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AL-LAD, LSZ, 4-AcO-DMT, MXE, Etizolam.
Also, methylone and 4-mmc are pretty great if they're still legal where you are.
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My favorites would have to be 2c-b, bk-MDMA, 5-apb, 6-apb, 5-mapb, and 4-aco-dmt.
hows the 4-aco-dmt. really looking into it but not alot of people talk about it. does it really feel just like shrooms
I've only tried it once with a small dose, but at that level it felt on par with a gram or half eighth of mushrooms. It's not exactly the same trip, but very similar. 4aces is rumored to break down into psilocin in the body the same way that psilocybin does, although I'm not sure how well supported that theory is. I think the general consensus is that it likely does break down into pslocin, but is also active itself, meaning that the trip is a result of the psychoactive properties of both psilocin and psilocetin(4-aco-dmt) in conjunction.
It was my understanding that the body metabolizes psilocybin into psilocin(which is what you actually trip on), and that 4-AcO-DMT is a synthetic form of psilocin itself.
I have to agree with a previous poster that said that the real thing is always better, but consensus seems to be that 4-AcO is a lot closer than most other RCs get to the real deal.
Seriously, stay away from the synthetic cannabanoids. There are way too many stories of people having a bad time from taking too much, and a large number of us that have used them for extended periods have experienced all sorts of weird side effects. Actual cannabis is abundant, way more fun, and qualifies as a legitimate medicine instead of being some mystery chemical that most former users will tell you to stay the fuck away from.
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I'm really wanting to try 4aco-dmt has anyone had good or bad experiences with it?
I had a horrible self-loathing experience on 30 mg of 4-aco-dmt. Very similar to mushrooms (which without fail I have a bad time on every time as well.) If you like shrooms give it a go.
Tryptamines are famous for inducing bouts of introspection. Sometimes you're in the right mood for that, sometimes not. Always make sure that you're in a reasonably good mood, in the right setting and with the right people. Also, tripping outside is usually the better choice.
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I'm really wanting to try 4aco-dmt has anyone had good or bad experiences with it?
I had a horrible self-loathing experience on 30 mg of 4-aco-dmt. Very similar to mushrooms (which without fail I have a bad time on every time as well.) If you like shrooms give it a go.
Tryptamines are famous for inducing bouts of introspection. Sometimes you're in the right mood for that, sometimes not. Always make sure that you're in a reasonably good mood, in the right setting and with the right people. Also, tripping outside is usually the better choice.
Don't think I'll ever bother with mushrooms or 4-aco-dmt again considering there are plenty of psychedelics that don't induce an internal blooper reel of every morally questionable thing I've ever done.
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Is there a synthetic cannabinoid that approaches the euphoria of cannabis itself?
JWH-250 but it has such an extremely short duration you'll be re-dosing every 20 minutes. There are probably better ones outside of the JWH series I never got to try.
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Is there a synthetic cannabinoid that approaches the euphoria of cannabis itself?
JWH-250 but it has such an extremely short duration you'll be re-dosing every 20 minutes. There are probably better ones outside of the JWH series I never got to try.
JEH-250 is crap compared to JWH-018. Real JWH-018. The real deal pure JWH=018 is great. Be aware though, it is not a powder like you see being sold on here.
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"JEH-250 is crap compared to JWH-018. Real JWH-018. The real deal pure JWH=018 is great. Be aware though, it is not a powder like you see being sold on here."
WTF! What's going on with the powder being sold on SR then? What form is it meant to come in?
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"JEH-250 is crap compared to JWH-018. Real JWH-018. The real deal pure JWH=018 is great. Be aware though, it is not a powder like you see being sold on here."
WTF! What's going on with the powder being sold on SR then? What form is it meant to come in?
Some less pure form. I've had powder many times but none of it compared to this reddish brownish solid form I had. It smelled like something you would find in a garage. I can't describe the smell. It was sticky and would melt easily. That is the way it was coming right out of the beaker at the manufacturing facility. One hit of that knocked anyone out. I would cut off two tiny pieces and put them in a blunt and regularly have people passing out. It was too potent for anyone that hadn't already been smoking it for weeks. Maybe the lab accidentally messed up the synthesis and produced some other cannabinoid that was stronger and better? I have only had powder from other suppliers and the potency doesn't even compare.
Powder JWH-018 is still better than JWH-250 though.
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luv ur post, henryC0833: though I'm completely ignorant in regards to RCs (though by no means closed-minded about trying 'em) I DO know my H, weed, coke, acid, pharms.
What you said about acid was very nicely 'put': the no body load with the spiritually exhilarating mind trip can't be beat. And if it can, I hope somebody outs it here.
Cheers.
Great posts, peeps
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semi-feral-human: It's lines like these that make reading some of the posts here so rewarding:
"...again considering there are plenty of psychedelics that don't induce an internal blooper reel of every morally questionable thing I've ever done."
ahhhhh, being in the virtual company of those who can themselves ones clearly.
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Wasn't JWH-018 1 of the original synthetic cannabinoids to be put in the incense/smoking blends, and 1 of the first to be banned? Anyone remember "Spice"? ;D
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Wasn't JWH-018 1 of the original synthetic cannabinoids to be put in the incense/smoking blends, and 1 of the first to be banned? Anyone remember "Spice"? ;D
Hu-210 was the first used in incense blends that I am aware of.
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Nawlins sells the best blend I ever had
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I used to enjoy RC Cola. I guess they don't even make it anymore...
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I've tried 4mec and methylone.. they are nice, but they do not compare to mdma. They are similar but just missing that peak and magic...
good thing tho is that they are much cheaper, and easier to control if for some reason you need to focus while your rollin :o i recommend both these crystals but for a true good time mdma all the way...
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by the way, are methylone, M1 and bk-MDMA all the same thing?
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25i and 25c are both pretty good fun, smoking weed on them was a bit overwhelming for first time trippers though.
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by the way, are methylone, M1 and bk-MDMA all the same thing?
Yes. That is like saying weed, pot and cannabis.
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by the way, are methylone, M1 and bk-MDMA all the same thing?
Yes. That is like saying weed, pot and cannabis.
Cheers, that´s what i thought. just making sure. So i take it this is the substance most similar to mdma? It's definitely a good price but you do have to take larger amounts, and it's just missing that special something. may try some more from another vendor but the one i bought quoted 99.8% quality and it was one big yellow crystal. was a good night for sure tho.
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So i take it this is the substance most similar to mdma?
Yeah, is it a close relative to normal MDMA, and the drug with effects most similar to it (normal MDMA)? ???
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4-ACO-DMT, 2C-E, 5-MEO-MIPT ;), 2C-I
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What is Etizolam? Is it an RC benzo?
Yes. It is an RC Benzo but it isnt really a benzo, technically. Wiki it for an explanation. I think a molecule was replaced or something. For me, it is more euphoric than Diazepams and the like and also less tendencies for horrible withdrawals.
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I used to enjoy RC Cola. I guess they don't even make it anymore...
RC Cola still exists in some parts of Asia :D
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Mephedrone, Methylone, and 25c-NBOMe are all amazing.
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wonder what the potential for etizolam addiction is?
i miss mephedrone a lot but had i known what it was when i started taking it (long story) i wonder if i wud have continued. makes me feel a bit old school but think i prefer tried and tested drugs. mephedrone was something else - way worse than crack for me, totally epic but utterly fiendish. i don't see the point in chasing a replacement.
good doc on about RC's the other night - drug expert in uk with samples of EVERY drug in their lab. they said back in the old days if a new drug was discovered it was so rare they would go for a drink to celebrate. those days are over!
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25c. It melts reality
I agree with you to the edge of my sanity.
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Mephedrone, Methylone, and 25c-NBOMe are all amazing.
Definitely mephedrone, the real stuff gave an experience between MDMA and Cocaine. Sadly pre-ban quality no longer available so I tend to stick with Methylone. 25i when I don't have mephedrone or methylone.
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wonder what the potential for etizolam addiction is?
It's about the same as that of Xanax or Valium...so it's very high. Be careful. Don't take it longer than two-three weeks straight without a week or two off. If you find yourself on it for 6 weeks straight...taper down gradually...a milligram at a time. Just use common sense. You'll be fine. 8)
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Didn't realize Etizolam was an RC benzo. That stuff is great. I tried 5-MEO-DMT a while back. The light tracers are amazing but it was a bit harsh on the body. Dunno if M1 is technically an RC but it's awesome, like MDMA-light. I want to try 2c-? one day, maybe 2c-i.
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I remember some popular Irish-made incense blend where they'd put something utterly noxious in it like Iodine, which made you violently cough for 10 minutes after smoking, can't remember what it was called, Smoke or something.
"i miss mephedrone a lot but had i known what it was when i started taking it (long story) i wonder if i wud have continued. makes me feel a bit old school but think i prefer tried and tested drugs. mephedrone was something else - way worse than crack for me, totally epic but utterly fiendish. i don't see the point in chasing a replacement."
Sounds similar to my experience with Meow Meow. It is epic and fiendish. I also didn't know for a couple of weeks at least that I was taking Mephedrone, and ultimately drove my body and mind to the limits.
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So the mephedrone offered now on SR...mainly thru the UK, is not the same synthesis/strength as the "pre-ban" wonder I keep hearing about? I totally wish I was on the scene when that was going around......totally missed out. :P
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5-MeO-MiPT
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I like 2C-B but wow there is no subtle climb between sober and HOLYFUCK! Even in fairly moderate doses I find the rapid transitions in and out of the psychedelic state pretty jarring compared to a moderate dose of LSD. Very fun though but mind that steep response curve!
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Maybe someone should start a thread where RC's are listed in regard to the class of drug to which they belong i.e. psychedelic, stimulant, opioid etc. I have little knowledge regarding most of the substances mentioned in this thread, and what the effects of most of them are, so it would be good to see a chart classifying the most popular ones.