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Support => Feature requests => Topic started by: mr.doctor on April 24, 2012, 05:49 am

Title: Silkroad torrent tracker?
Post by: mr.doctor on April 24, 2012, 05:49 am
Have you ever considered Silk road housing its own private torrent tracker? Maybe download the piratebay's magnet links and use that to build up an archive? Like a piratebay for the tor network. 

It would hit the site with all sorts of traffic, which could slow things down. But it would also scare the shit out of the big media companies, knowing that they can't shutdown what they can't find.
Title: Re: Silkroad torrent tracker?
Post by: mr.doctor on April 24, 2012, 05:52 am
crap this post was meant for the feature request.   ;D
Title: Re: Silkroad torrent tracker?
Post by: Kappacino on April 24, 2012, 06:07 am
I'm unfamiliar with this idea, a torrent tracker? Why would silk road have one..? I'm unclear on the concept could you explain?
Title: Re: Silkroad torrent tracker?
Post by: cacoethes on April 24, 2012, 06:55 am
As I understand it, using Tor to download torrents poses two major problems:

1) It isn't anonymous

2) Tor is not designed to handle the bandwidth

Workarounds may exist, but it's generally accepted that downloading torrents via Tor is poor form.

A detailed explanation of why can be found here:  https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea
Title: Re: Silkroad torrent tracker?
Post by: Bridgehead on April 24, 2012, 07:49 am
Yes that's right, TOR has limited bandwidth.  Those who use tor for downloading torrents slow down the network for everyone.
Title: Re: Silkroad torrent tracker?
Post by: supersecretsquirrel on April 24, 2012, 09:05 am
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea - Enough said.
Title: Re: Silkroad torrent tracker?
Post by: nn01 on April 24, 2012, 12:29 pm
Iv been thinking of the same and other similar things,shouldnt be a big problem I think..

And for previous few posters, atleast what I was thinking of was a torrent tracker only within the .onion network, not a clearweb tracker that people use tor proxies for that surely already works but puts too big strain on the network if loads of ppl used the TOR proxies to download torrents. . .

Ive only done a little checking around and also tried setting up a few TOR-relays on my own, exit-relay (sniffing traffic (passwords)) and non-exit relay (.onion traffic) but know very little about it.
But I think it's all mainly meant for chinese dissidents etc. to use, not for all this other use.. and asking on the #tor irc-chan, it seems the devs are not really interested in these things that we are, besides helping ppl like dissidents etc. anonymously read their webmail (if u sniff traffic u will see most of it is chinese webmail logins..boring stuff..), so once/if they manage to shut down the clearnet part of TOR (I think all that is needed is ISPs enforcing rules stricter to kill off tor-nodes faster- its coming) Im not even sure the devs of it will bother continuing it just for the sake of the internal .onion network if those dissident,journalist etc. guys dont depend on it anymore? Im not sure how TOR hosting will be treated by all ISPs, but would think it wouldnt be easy to keep any known TOR IP online on a legit stable box.
Hopefully they will continue working on it tho, or then atleast someone else will continue developing TOR to expand this .onion network even if just for that

I have setup non-exit and exit-relays from not-so-legit (hacked / carded) boxes, most ended badly with complaints from the providers getting them shutdown for good or as a warning, as the IPs were either used to post childporn, fraud etc., or they didnt like having their IPs listed in blacklists (as all TOR-relay IPs are, listed in public ban-lists, and auto-banned from many networks).
So the only way I think for it to live a long time, and high-traffic things like torrent stuff within it to be accepted by the hosts of the nodes (even if just within this internal .onion network)... is if the devs continue working on it and support that people start hosting tor-nodes on temporary hacked or scammed boxes and spread its availability thru vulnerabilities basicly like any other common virus, so it works kindof like a botnet? so that even if ISPs kill IPs really fast if they post childporn or do something really illegal, it doesnt matter and is from a near endless continous supply.. then its just a matter of keeping ahead and hoping itll last..
?

As it is now Im pretty sure high-traffic things like this, if it somehow works and is forced upon it then if someone made it, will just speed up removing TOR as itll degrade the service overall and even less would be willing to host..
hm?

I dont really know how it works im a big newb to all this, but hopefully someone will somehow figure some time how to hide it all even better..
cos this TOR as it is now surely wont last forever, Im pretty sure... stricter rules get nodes killed faster, eventually they'll prolly consider all TOR-nodes a threat/risc if theyre unsure about them and just ban it all. if nothing to secure/hide it by then itll all be gone.
im hoping itll last tho, I would hope for a New, fresh and free Internet here on this internal tor-network (.onion only) with most/any other service you find on the clearnet !   but a bit in doubt itll ever be possible like that:/