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Market => Product requests => Topic started by: triangle_list on October 19, 2011, 05:56 am
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No, that's not a typo. That's 3-methoxy-4,5-methylenedioxyamphetamine. Mentioned early in Pihkal the story. http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal132.shtml Any chemists? ;D
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https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal132.shtml
The phrase that had been used by several of the subjects in the early trials with MMDA, again and again, was "brain movies." Apparently the richest of the effects were to be had with the eyes closed.
(with 225 mg) I had a strange awareness of my hands in about 20 minutes--not a feeling in them as just that I was attracted to them somehow. Then I began to get fearful, an acute experience of aloneness. I lay face down (a depressed position for me). Next I was talking to the kids at school (an image) or to other teachers. This was very vivid. The scenes at school were more vivid that the real scenes around me here. Those people were much more real. I am actually very sleepy right now during the experiment. Of any experience I have had, this was most like a series of dreams easily remembered. When it was over, I felt as if I had had a long period of sleeping--I had gone to bed and had a series of dream-like states very vivid and colorful and real.
(with 210 mg) MMDA tastes awful. The bitter alkaloid taste is followed by a distinctively chemical laboratory flavor as if from old rubber tubing. Nothing seems to happen for about 45 minutes when rather suddenly an anvil seems to lower itself over your head; you feel disoriented, and tend to withdraw from social contact a little. The drug gives less feeling of being ill than mescaline. The effect definitely reaches a climax with a pleasant afterglow following. Apparently there are no profound motor coordination problems. MMDA yields that 'Sunday afternoon' feeling of desiring to lie down and enjoy life; a luxurious feeling of 'layback.' No enhancement of colors in visual scene (except for some greenish tinges in faces) but upon closing eyes hallucinations appear to be quite real in 3-D, like watching a movie. First these dreams appear in black and white, but later colors start appearing. Chartreuse and magenta first appear, then blue and finally red. First I had visions of large numbers on gaming tables, then people. MMDA appears to bring dreams to the conscious level; is a link between the subconscious and the conscious.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/497107-MMDA-New-Experience-There-Was-Life-In-Those-Eyes
I noted right away with MMDA that there was significant visual enhancement of objects in my view. In fact, MMDA was certainly the most visual of all the entactogens I have tried. With MDMA and methylone, there is little or no visual effects, just brightening around the corners of objects, perhaps slight trails on moving objects. MDA was much more visual, and my last time with MDA (120mg of the racemate) I remember seeing LSD-like breathing and movement in surrounding objects…along with colors and trails. MMDA was different….there was no movement or breathing, but intense color enhancement; normal color was replaced with extreme neon colors. Objects did not move, but would appear to distort or to take on a new form.
But the real treasure was when the eyes were closed. The so-called ‘brain movies’ began to appear within an hour of taking the MMDA and continued for the duration of the experience. At first, with eyes closed, I saw revolving shapes and forms which soon turned into faces. They were not faces of anyone I recognized, but there was a sense of life in the eyes I saw…so realistic that the only thing that compared to this were the eyes of the entities/being I saw on N,N-DMT. There was life in the eyes of these MMDA visions that had a level of reality that I just have not seen on other entheogens.
In addition to the faces, I also saw letters and numbers that gradually became readable words. I also (strange as it sounds) saw internet web pages, complete with all of the icons one would see on Internet Explorer, so clear I could read specific words! There was no message to these words, no rhyme of reason to them that I could see. However, they were there and I cannot compare the reality of these visions to any other entheogens I’ve tried. The MMDA ‘brain movies’ are unique and unlike anything else I’ve tried.
No after-affects or comedown. As mentioned, did K at the 6hr? point and fell asleep before I came out. Woke the next day feeling relaxed and soft, and actually seemed to break my depression until new problems presented themselves making any depression I was feeling before totally premature.
MMDA was very clean stuff.
To be honest, had it been given to me in a blind study I am not sure I'd have noticed any more empatheogenic qualities than I would had I taken 2C-B or some other classic phenethylamine. MMDA was definitely more on the psychedelic side of the spectrum.
I could see myself buying a few grams of this if it showed up here and was legit, even if it cost $100 per gram. It sounds so incredibly interesting. I want to stock up. Just give me the chance to. If you want to buy this too, please reply to this thread and say so. Let's get the attention of our chemists.
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I never heard of it before. But I would buy some based on what I just read in this post.
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I'd be interested in this too. I hadn't even heard of it! Thanks for sharing.
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Reading this has me incredibly excited. We need to get a chemist to make this! It'd be the next big thing I'm feeling. Who wants to step up to the challenge?
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Bump for interest.
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Bump for interest.
Add it to your signature for interest. Let's make this go viral here on the SR forums! Let's not spam it or talk about it outside where it is relevant, but if people who are interested in it start adding it to their signatures, interest is sure to grow even faster.
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Such a long synthesis! The nutmeg oil route would be better- Wacker oxidation of isomyristicin, then reductive amination. Could also make MMDMA and MMDEA!
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I would spent a good few bucks based on what i read!! Count me a buyer...
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I'm interested too (in buying)! =)
Edit: To anyone who is generally interested in rare psychedelic phens: what do you think about opening a new thread on this subject (rare psychedelic phens) in order to combine all requests, similar to the big and dandy on bluelight?
Have a nice day!
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Although the PIKHAL reports are fairly interesting, I remember reading quite a few less-than-glowing reviews of this compound on Bluelight a while back. Seems like it might be one of those overhyped dinosaurs.
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Someone provide me the chemicals and glass and I'd be more than happy to do it ;)
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Although the PIKHAL reports are fairly interesting, I remember reading quite a few less-than-glowing reviews of this compound on Bluelight a while back. Seems like it might be one of those overhyped dinosaurs.
MMDA-2 seems to be quite interesting though.
According to Shulgin's PIHKAL entry, MMDMA-2 seems to be less active than its unmethylated homologue (MMDA-2), and it's the only MMDA-derivate of which the N-Methyl has been explored.
But since every psychedelic amphetamine looses its psychedelic properties when getting N-Methylated, I don't expect MMDA/MMDMA to behave different in this matter than MMDA-2/MMDMA-2.
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I'd get a gram or three if it looked legit.
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Brain Movie sounds very interesting, I'd buy for sure
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Agreed. Have you have more mix DB?
No sorry. From a purely financial point of view it wouldn't make sense. Plus there's a few other things I'd like to try first, like MMDA and 4-MAR.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=3207.msg97785#msg97785
He didn't say he would, only that he is interested. I'm happy to see that though. Thanks to everybody that posted here. Let's hope that he makes it. Please don't bug him to do it, just post in this thread if you want to add your name to the list of potential buyers.
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Yes yes yes. I will smash open my piggy bank for some MMDA. DOM, too (see signature) but not to get off topic.
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This is one of the ones I've been interested in for a while. PiHKAL got me interested in it as well.
I think the big-and-dandy version about the rare phens would indeed be a great idea, but I think we'd have to get somebody to aggregate them at the top post so that they can all stay in one place...
What if we started making pages on the wiki about drug requests? So people could put their name next to whichever ones they were interested in? I haven't really explored the wiki much, but that's an interesting idea imo.
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Just been reading up on this, looks live!
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Keep this thread alive to show interest! +1
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bump <3
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interested too
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I've tried MMDA, it was available in my area in the mid 90s, and it was quite a great experience. Really great visuals/halos, and an easy comedown with a long afterglow. I would most definitely be interested in trying it again.
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Damn, I wish I never read this thread, now I am wanting some of this and it doesn't look like we'll get it any time soon :/
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All we can do is show the community there are a lot of people interested in this product. If a chemist could pre sell his entire batch via this thread I'm sure there would be a lot of incentive. I personally know people IRL that would eat up a 1/2 oz of this stuff easy.
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Sign me up!!!
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I definitely endorse the idea, to make mmda available!
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Interested.
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I would be interested in this ass well, hopefully one of our chemist will be able to make some soon.
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The closest thing to 'brain movies' I've ever had was a night I snorted like 30mg of zolpidem and sat on the toilet for 2 hours with my eyes closed imagining I was a young Mr. Monopoly in a ballroom. Really benign shit, nothing crazy. Just me chatting it up with a bunch of swanky mofos. Then I opened my eyes and I was in my bathroom.
I remembered all of it, but I've never had a problem with remembering what I did when on hypnotics. That being said, I am interested in this compound since I probably wont go off all zombified while on it and not understand wtf I'm doing like I have done on Ambien before.
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I snorted like 30mg of zolpidem and sat on the toilet for 2 hours
Sounds like my kind of trip ::)
Just teasin <3
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Sounds like my kind of trip ::)
Just teasin <3
I thought it was :P I guess I would've been more comfortable daydreaming in my bed but whatever. I do love hypnotics if it weren't for all the shit I do without realizing it. That's why oneirogens particularly spark my interest; that dream-like lucid state and strong closed eye visuals are really some of my favorite qualities in drugs.
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This seems to be simplest route to the product.
http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/chemistry/mmda.html
I haven't seen any updated guides, published since, that explain it any further or alternative methods.
Parsley seed oil
Red phosphorus
Iodine
distilled water
ammonium sulphate
methanol
These chemicals are not impossible to get... RP is sold right here on SR, I would think that is the hardest.
The chemist would likely use vacuum distillation, at least then, they have professional glassware and aren't just hacking it together.
Sounds like this process would need some testing and refining, and would have a cost before product and profit.
Maybe a bounty needs to be set and a fund, so as to kickstart some teams. I would guess $1000 USD min. to get a decent start
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BUMP!!!
some chemist that would like to do this and start selling would be a nice trip for everyone, i imagine.
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also registering my interest
had my eye on this for years
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Super interesting, I'd be interested.
Why don't we petition Limetless to make it. He claims he's a chemist with no little ability and that to him, synthesizing mephedrone is 'so easy a child could do it'.
With such a market for a drug that isn't even available yet and his self vaunted chemistry skills and desire for money, he has no excuse not to. He'll likely now come in with some snide remark or response as to why he won't, but i figured I should throw it out there.
With that said, i feel the need to say that his Meph is INCREDIBLE. I've never had anything to match it, but he didn't make it, it was made in India. Also, Lim says "Yeah I passed the info on I received from DDW and had my chemists take a look at it and the shit is for real". I don't know why, if he's this incredible chemist, he had to have his 'chemists' take a look at it to confirm it, but that's neither here nor there.
Bottom line, I would like to see this compound for sale on the road, I think a lot of Lim's posts are full of shit, and I still love his meph and will continue to purchase it. :D <3
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one of the stipulations on the bounty, should be that all the information fail or success is shared... the goal of the excercise being, if success is not reached with product for whatever reasons, at least some detailed docs are provided of the procedures and some suggestions of what to change.
The net is very light for MMDA synth info. I would like to see that change.
I suspect MMDA could be made the same way MDMA is made
myristicin -> it's ketone variant ( using the wacker reduction )
ketone to MMDA oil ( using the foil + nitromethane, methyl man method)
then salt it out
Anyone know a reason this wouldn't work ?
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I've been wanting to try this ever since reading about it in PiKHAL! Hopefully someone can step up and synth it!
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I've sort of fallen out of love with MDMA lately, but I'd definitely be interested in this, count me in.
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Bump, needs atttention.
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I have trouble getting and integrating closed eyed visuals so this is of definite interest.
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I have trouble achieving CEV sometimes; in other's the dominate the trip.
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Ill talk to a couple chemists and get back to you guys.
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I can't wait to see if something actually comes out of this thread. I'm really hoping at least one person has a successful synth we can all get our hands on. Money definitely isn't an option for something this rare and after doing some research on my own MMDA seems to be a very promising substance.
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This thread definitely needs a bump. This shit sounds AMAZING. `
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Keep this at the top, there hasn't been much response from anyone as of late. Lets get some successful synths going folks.
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yep, bumping this also, this sounds very interesting
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Ill talk to a couple chemists and get back to you guys.
Any update? I think this chemical is getting a growing curiosity on here.
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Any update? I think this chemical is getting a growing curiosity on here.
That it is, I've seen a huge influx of the "MMDA Awareness" tags recently. Let's hope someone sees the potential market soon and synths a batch for us to try.
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Bump.
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I would buy it up
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bump
Someone please synth this!
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bumpitty bump bump
Also... would anyone on here be interested in starting a request thread for MBDB?
Reading through reviews suggests this is a very safe compound with alot of potential.
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Bump.
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Also... would anyone on here be interested in starting a request thread for MBDB?
Isn't that Methyl-J, I think I started a thread awhile back requesting that. There were no bites sadly.
Also, MMDA sounds fun, not sure if it sounds SAFE, but I'll try it.
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Also... would anyone on here be interested in starting a request thread for MBDB?
Isn't that Methyl-J, I think I started a thread awhile back requesting that. There were no bites sadly.
Also, MMDA sounds fun, not sure if it sounds SAFE, but I'll try it.
Why doesn't MMDA sound safe?
And also, this is a bite for your MBDB thread lol and yes, it is Methyl-J.
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Why doesn't MMDA sound safe?
Well we know that MDMA is mildly neurotoxic, and this is a relative so it may well be too. The only question is HOW much so. I doubt a few doses will do anything severe but still, like with all the RCs, untill it's been in use for a few years it's difficult to know what the long term effects of extended use might be.
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I think pretty much anything is neurotoxic at high enough quantities. Is there any strong reasoning you have to believe this would be MORE neurotoxic than mdma?
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I think pretty much anything is neurotoxic at high enough quantities. Is there any strong reasoning you have to believe this would be MORE neurotoxic than mdma?
Not really but it's still a research chemical. I'll take it at least once but other than that I think I will let others try it out over a long period before I make it a mainstay in my drug diet.
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Has any headway been made to get this chemical available? I'm sure an existing mdma lab could make it.
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Unfortunately not :(
I agree with you though. Find an MDMA lab!!
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I think I will let others try it out over a long period before I make it a mainstay in my drug diet.
I'd like to hear more about this drug diet. Does it consist of Breakfast lunch AND dinner? 8)
BUMP!
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Someone should seriously talk to the User/Vendor "ruthenium" I'm 99% sure the guy is a chemist, he gives all kinds of chemistry info in his own topic. He might be able to make it, or find us someone who can make it, worth a shot.
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What about Dr. Gonzo?
He has quite a few RCs...maybe he has access to a lab/labs of some sort?
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Bump, been wanting to try this for a long while
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BUMP!
really want it
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This seems to be simplest route to the product.
http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/chemistry/mmda.html
I haven't seen any updated guides, published since, that explain it any further or alternative methods.
Parsley seed oil
Red phosphorus
Iodine
distilled water
ammonium sulphate
methanol
These chemicals are not impossible to get... RP is sold right here on SR, I would think that is the hardest.
The chemist would likely use vacuum distillation, at least then, they have professional glassware and aren't just hacking it together.
Sounds like this process would need some testing and refining, and would have a cost before product and profit.
Maybe a bounty needs to be set and a fund, so as to kickstart some teams. I would guess $1000 USD min. to get a decent start
I'll give it a shot. My girlfriend forbids me for doing it for profit though.
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I'll give it a shot. My girlfriend forbids me for doing it for profit though.
I have very very nice glassware and this should be easy for me to accomplish. Check out my posts in the DDW successful synthesis thread, I'm in the middle of testing Ron Paul's MDMA guide and photo-documenting it to determine legitimacy/difficulty. Once I'm done with that I'll give this a shot. I'll provide high def pictures of every step and possibly a video of the entire procedure. My financers want me to finish what I start before giving me funds for a new project. They are 100% willing to make this happen though, just give me a month or two.
You guys better buy the shit out of my poppers when my listings come back up if I pull this off
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I'll give it a shot. My girlfriend forbids me for doing it for profit though.
Then do it at cost?
You know, for science.
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I'll give it a shot. My girlfriend forbids me for doing it for profit though.
Then do it at cost?
You know, for science.
Well that was basically the plan, yes. Might not even break even and just give most of it away like the MDMA I am trying to make.
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Finally! I will buy the shit out of your poppers, christ, you don't even have to send them!
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That sounds promising. Keep us updated please. And if you'll need money I think we will find some... for science, ofc :P
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In the name of science, keep this thread alive. I have some funds if it helps.
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I want this to happen so bad :P
These brain movies sound like a more intense lucid dream
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I'll give it a shot. My girlfriend forbids me for doing it for profit though.
I have very very nice glassware and this should be easy for me to accomplish. Check out my posts in the DDW successful synthesis thread, I'm in the middle of testing Ron Paul's MDMA guide and photo-documenting it to determine legitimacy/difficulty. Once I'm done with that I'll give this a shot. I'll provide high def pictures of every step and possibly a video of the entire procedure. My financers want me to finish what I start before giving me funds for a new project. They are 100% willing to make this happen though, just give me a month or two.
You guys better buy the shit out of my poppers when my listings come back up if I pull this off
I'm in for some poppers if it means it will finance the MMDA :P Ever since this thread popped up, MMDA has been my unicorn drug.
When you get the poppers in stock or start MMDA post here so we can buy the hell out of them :P
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Just adding my vote of interest in MMDA. If it appears on SR, I'll definitely order a few grams.
I've been looking for this compound for years.
In the PIHKAL entry, Shulgin reckons that passing oil of nutmeg through a rabbit's liver may produce MMDA, so just feed nutmeg to your pet bunny and drink its pee....... sorted :)
This is a material that might be a contributing factor to the pharmacology of nutmeg. The major essential oil from that spice is myristicin, and it is the easiest source of MMDA. It has been reported that the passage of this oil through the liver of a rabbit will generate MMDA in that animal. The only difference between the two molecules, structurally, are the elements of ammonia. Myristicin plus ammonia gives MMDA
I remember an article on the radio 4 or 5 years ago. Apparently, Richard Branson flew a plane that was fueled by nutmeg oil. I laughed when I heard it 'cos I had visions of people getting high off the contrails :)
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How hard would it be for an existing MDMA lab to just start making MMDA as well, or even MDA? I love MDMA a lot, but I do prefer psychedelics. So prehaps MMDA and MDA could be a good replacement.
VENDORS: Start making MMDA
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It seems that it's the "brain movie" thing that has people so interested in MMDA, including me... But I stumbled on a sort of "brain movie combo" the other week which was total bliss. It wasn't an actual movie, but more sublime CEV's that could have been a DMT-based iTunes Visualiser.
We'd had little bumps of MXE, 2CB, ket & 25C over the course of an afternoon.
Due to previous exertions, nothing was especially visual, but I felt very nice, and properly psychedelic.
The letters D, M & T seemed to hang in the air above me.
I'd extracted some a while back, struggled to vape it properly and made some changa. This worked much better for me, in a bottle/fountain bong, but it was still quite harsh...
Anyways, blasted a small bit of that (25mg DMT content) and fuck me! Absolute silence, a feeling like the most blissful cuddle imaginable, deep inside, and I closed my eyes and went to heaven. Fast-flowing, but amazingly detailed CEV's were unfolding across a black background (I put my hands over my closed eyes to boost the contrast).
The pleasure I felt was beyond even sexual, it was incredible.
I rocked back and forth for about 40 minutes, giggling and sighing, utterly amazed.
So yeah, in summary, it's mad to have DMT in such a sustained, pleasant way. Amazing, not breakthrough, but absorbable. It definitely seemed to benefit a lot from the earlier, light doses of phenethylamines...
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this thread needs to be on top
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forreal its 2013, there should be mmda available now man.....
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Everybody that wants MMDA, add the thread link to your sig and list the $ amount you are ready to drop on MMDA right this second......Then update that amount every so often.
If it catches on enough and vendors (the ones that have direct contact to the labs) see how many people are ready to drop X dollars in a HEARTBEAT.....then they may make it happen.
Vendors quit lagging!
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Bump!
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http://imgur.com/wx9vBOv
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I know this is total blue-balling but i have a friend who's in prison right now for some bullshit, but he was making a few different chems and MMDA is his favorite and he absolutely intends to start right back where he left off when he gets out at the end of the year :) That along with quite a few other too!
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Sweet deal man, ill believe it when i see it :)
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For sure! trust me everyone will be VERY happy when hes out ;) homie knows what hes doing. Been doing alot of planning and ALOT of reading thanks to someone (cough cough) and talking with a couple others with organic chemistry degrees too! Definitely wont just be MMDA! All will be well soon :)
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i have a friend who's in prison right now
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he absolutely intends to start right back where he left off when he gets out
Ex-con starting cooking up immediately when out. Why sure it doesn't sound like a stupid thing to do.
But hey if that fails we can always count on poppermachine to do it! ;D
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Bumb it up y'all!
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subbing
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Bumping this old and abandoned thread because a lot of us want a bit of this.
Also there's a few more that run along the same lines as this which might be interesting:
2-Methyl-MDA
2-MeO-MDA
6-Methyl-MDA
6-MeO-MDA
MMA (3-MeO, 4-Methyl Amphetamine)
MEM (3,5-MeO 4-EtO Amphetamine)
But those are just my wishlist, MMDA is obviously first priority!
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Highly intrigued. +1
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I want
I have lots of money
I love being wasted ;D ;D
Listing goes up and i buy... ;D ;D
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Bump
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An existing MDMA lab stands to make a killing on this
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Bump
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Another cheeky bump.
Did popper_machine get it together? What about this guy in jail who could make it? When's he out? Any other chemists willing to whip up a batch?
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Bump