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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: mito on November 19, 2011, 01:33 am

Title: plasuble deniability even after signing for package
Post by: mito on November 19, 2011, 01:33 am
You can still sign for an envelope/package which contents you are oblivious.

In this case is 'plausible deniability' still plausible?

Title: Re: plasuble deniability even after signing for package
Post by: Cgault on November 19, 2011, 01:42 am
I think a decent attorney can beat these postal receiving delivery stings if the amount is not a big deal. You didnt read the sender, you dont know, it was a retaliation, you never solicited or paid for it. Lawyer stuff. Your criminal history if any figures here.
Title: Re: plasuble deniability even after signing for package
Post by: brainstew on November 19, 2011, 05:44 pm
^^I would have to agree with that. I can't remember ever receiving a package I had to sign for and giving it more than a moments glance before signing. I might look at the label to see who it's from but even if I don't recognize it I sign for it. A good attorney should be able to beat that one. All it takes is money! :)

Edit: In thinking about this again, the above is what I have done in the past. Now if I am ordering something that might be sold from SR and shipped to my house, I don't think I'd sign for anything that I did not recognize. So there's my previous philosophy above and my current one here. Paranoia - there's never enough.
Title: Re: plasuble deniability even after signing for package
Post by: Aoth14 on November 20, 2011, 04:14 am
If you are nearing or over felony amount (state level), you will have problems. Remember they are still stuck with the burden of absolute proof, so you always need a legit story on hand. Not an excuse. an explanation that not only avoids but revokes condemnation completely.  Dont look happy, dont look nervous.


Where I come from, PE impersonates independent carriers and will have you sign whatever they want you to sign,confession,etc,(no joke) whether a sig was initially required for the delivery or not. Most people get excited and dont think when christmas morning comes...

It really depends on the situation; the carrier, international,domestic,etc.Domestic 'next day' packages always get extra attention. Border customs has green taped tons of packages, and sent them through. They just run the weed dog through the line. the post office/mailman typically doesnt 2nd guess federal sorting houses/international security...

You just have to wait for them to throw your package hard enough to bust.. but I've still received PCP-soaked, glass shard filled packages with no problem, other than being pissed...  Weed is going to get you in that situation. CHECK FOR RE-SEALING OF A TAMPERED PACKAGE. Another reason you should only trust reputable, professional,experienced vendors who thoroughly explain the packaging method to you IMO,they know how to get it through, or they dont sell it.

I also agree paranoia is a good thing, it has served me well in the areas of life I have applied it.
Title: Re: plasuble deniability even after signing for package
Post by: threatminor on November 22, 2011, 07:43 am
Absolute proof is not the requirement (in the U.S.), but rather, beyond a reasonable doubt.  Difficult as it is, quantitatively, it's about 75-90% dependent on numerous variables (like race and socioeconomic factors). 

Anyhow, plausible deniability is just a dressed up way of saying, it's not mine, plausible or not.  Unfortunately, ignorance of the law is no excuse.  Statutorily, assumption of knowledge is well settled.  For the life of me, I cannot recall the phrase... oh well.   Signing for a package, with more, will no lead to a conviction.

I've written several times that a conviction is not something with which I'm concerned.  However, an arrest would be equally devastating as a conviction, and this is my concern.  I assume that most the buyers have reasons for using SR instead of street level since we're paying a premium. 

Point is, why risk it?  Don't sign for the package. 
Title: Re: plasuble deniability even after signing for package
Post by: foldingpaper on November 23, 2011, 11:21 pm
Unfortunately, ignorance of the law is no excuse.  Statutorily, assumption of knowledge is well settled.  For the life of me, I cannot recall the phrase... oh well.
Ignorantia juris non excusat / nemo censetur ignorare legem :)

And I guess Dura lex sed lex would also apply