Silk Road forums
Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: BlueGiraffe on December 02, 2012, 10:41 pm
-
I just made a post here http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90582.0 regarding using MDMA together with GHB, and decided to give it its own thread so more people can have access to this information - which I notice that not that many people are aware of. So here it is:
MDMA and GHB: Designed to work together!
--------------------------------------------------------
Everyone who knows and loves MDMA for the blessed sacrament that it is, knows that there is also a shadow, a sting in the tail.
For me personally, the hardest thing is being "cast out of heaven" as the MDMA space starts to fragment and I remember again my un-blissful self. This is of course when we might consider re-dosing - which you can get away with once, but generally not twice (without somewhat gnarly consequences).
Then there is the cold hard reality of non-ecstasy (and potentially post-MDMA tension and edginess) followed by being totally washed out the next day - and then the proverbial "Suicide Tuesday" where the effects of serotonin depletion are felt good and proper.
Using GHB after MDMA is a way to totally change this experience :)
As follows:
Whether one is doing single dose MDMA or with a kicker at the 1-2 hour point, there will come a time when the MDMA experience first starts to fragment and you start to drop out.
This is the time to start taking GHB, normally as a first single dose of 1.5g - 2.5g, and this should be taken the moment the first drop is noted in the MDMA. (And ideally one would have experimented with GHB on its own before hand in order to be familiar with its dosing dynamics.)
What will happen is that the GHB will come on in 15-25 minutes (and while there is still some MDMA activity), and essentially re-energize the MDMA space completely - while also adding its own character.
There will be a deep and relaxing rush, often an even fuller euphoric empathy than felt originally and, most delightfully, the adding of the strong erotic and humorous nature of GHB :)
MDMA is generally very sensual, but not directly sexual. GHB will add a deeply erotic, disinhibited and sexual dimension to the space. If you are with your lover at this point there will definitely be movement into deep and released sexual play.
Most importantly, the usual sensation of coming off MDMA will be totally not noticed in the rushy pleasure as the two drugs gracefully blend and the GHB starts to take over from the MDMA. The GHB will certainly extend the MDMA roll for a couple of hours, and as you can re-dose GHB repeatedly without ill-effects (within reason) you can extend the zone for a long time.
In time the GHB will put you down into a deep and restful sleep, from which you will awaken some hours later feeling refreshed and way more energized than you would have been without it. There will still be some residual tiredness in the system from the MDMA, but much less, and generally the following day will be much smoother and easier - and even totally benign.
Everyone I know who has used GHB in this way, flat refuses to take MDMA without it now, and it's the same for me. It's frankly not worth it. And the pleasurable elaboration of the potential of MDMA by the GHB makes for a much richer experience altogether.
So there it is! It is my hope that this information will give more people the opportunity to profoundly enrich their MDMA use and also mitigate most of the unpleasant after-effects.
Any questions, just ask...
BG
-
Interesting idea, but I prefer benzodiazepines to GHB. I have no room to talk though considering I currently have a MDMA/MDA/Meth.cocaine pill. :o
-
I never would have thought to use GHB this way, but this is really interesting stuff. Thanks for the post!
Another thing that I've found helpful is to take 5-htp and a protein supplement at the end of your roll. Also, using piracetam or aniracetam a week before dosing your roll can make the roll feel like it was your very first one. (From personal experience).
-
@BruceCampbell
Sounds delightful :) Enjoy!!
Benzos are OK, but they don't enhance the sexual intimacy like GHB does. Will chill things down very well for sure but I consider GHB far more pleasurable and playful...
BG
-
Might have to give this one a whirl! I've always been interested in trying GHB, and this gives me the perfect excuse.
I've also found that taking 5-HTP, Magnesium, and a multivitamin post comedown does wonders for the day after.
-
Yes, agree totally on the 5-HTP! Obligatory IMHO...
I would normally take this after the GHB, either before or after sleeping a bit.
Have not done Piracetam with MDMA (thanks for the suggestion!) but have used it with acid to very good effect :)
If you're new to GHB I definitely suggest doing some experiments with it first using different dosing protocols to see what works for you.
Then once you are familiar with it, bring it into the MDMA space...
BG
-
What is your experience getting GHB on SR? I would imagine that bottles of liquid are more suspect?
-
Gonna have to try 10-25 grams of this stuff, are you succesfull shipping to the US?
-
@zipstyle: We supply pharma-grade GHB powder. See here http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90582.0 for why powder is superior to liquid.
@awesome1126: Yes, 100% successful getting orders delivered in the USA :)
-
Interesting, may have to give this a go. :)
-
I never liked liquid GHB. Too many variables. Powder > liquid.
-
I HATE GHB. On that note. I loooove gbl ( can get from jennifers) and ghb powder (which you can get from TommyG). Both on SR, I hate ghb liquid due to the reason of it being so dose sensitive and not knowing the strength it was mixed. I have taken it once and never again. I have take ghb powder and gbl fairly regulary. LOVE IT. Doses gor powder is 1.5 grams, dose for gbl is 1.5 ml. I have been rolling with G for about 15 years now. Has been only with gbl for about 14 of those years, till recently found ghb powder on SR. Still I prefer the gbl. Everything the OP said is correct!!!!! The best. Careful though with trying to dose measuring in a syringe or something while rolling, have some other eyes to help with judgment. The lines will be moving LOL. SO if in doubt, don't. I have dosed myself too high one night while rolling and was lost for a while. People said I looked like I was feeling good, but I don't remember! BUT yes, I don't roll w/o my g.
-
Isn't GBL just the more toxic precursor to GHB, like an industrial solvent?
-
Are the sexual side effects of MDMA affected at all by GHB?
-
I HATE GHB. On that note. I loooove gbl ( can get from jennifers) and ghb powder (which you can get from TommyG). Both on SR, I hate ghb liquid due to the reason of it being so dose sensitive and not knowing the strength it was mixed. I have taken it once and never again. I have take ghb powder and gbl fairly regulary. LOVE IT. Doses gor powder is 1.5 grams, dose for gbl is 1.5 ml. I have been rolling with G for about 15 years now. Has been only with gbl for about 14 of those years, till recently found ghb powder on SR. Still I prefer the gbl. Everything the OP said is correct!!!!! The best. Careful though with trying to dose measuring in a syringe or something while rolling, have some other eyes to help with judgment. The lines will be moving LOL. SO if in doubt, don't. I have dosed myself too high one night while rolling and was lost for a while. People said I looked like I was feeling good, but I don't remember! BUT yes, I don't roll w/o my g.
YOU HATE GHB LIQUID - not GHB itself per se. And so do I frankly. Appreciate your support of my POV regarding this - it makes such a difference!
If I may also mention though: I would not take GBL if it was 99.999% pure, free and available from my local grocery store. It is a strong solvent, and it will stress your liver big time - not good at all for long term health and vitality. Reacted properly to GHB though it is benign.
TommyG appears not to have any active listings currently, so you may acquire GHB powder from us (see link in my signature). Great to meet a fellow appreciator! :)
-
Isn't GBL just the more toxic precursor to GHB, like an industrial solvent?
Correct, GBL is nasty IMHO - I would never take it. Will stress your liver for sure...
-
Are the sexual side effects of MDMA affected at all by GHB?
Indeed they are :) MDMA has a tendency to decrease overall sexual responsiveness in favour of sensuality and empathy. GHB will increase the sexual dimension again - so more wood, more juice, more desire and more eroticism altogether.
Personally I find it good to bring the GHB in later - so enjoy the more sensual and empathic depths with my partner first and then get down and dirty with the GHB after that once the MDMA is dropping off...
-
Just placed an order, can't wait to try it with the girl :)
-
Are the sexual side effects of MDMA affected at all by GHB?
I have increased libido and boner with an mdma/g mix, than without. When rollin its hard for me to keep it up, my minds all over the place. G makes me hornaaay by itself as well.
-
Isn't GBL just the more toxic precursor to GHB, like an industrial solvent?
I have heard things such as this (being toxic). I'm not sure. Maybe do an Erowid Vault search, that will answer your questions. There are also two different qualities of gbl. Chinese gbl is poop. German BASF gbl is tits.
It has been sold on the market as "industrial solvent" since I have been buying it (15 years). Whether it is sold JUST for that at some places is a mystery to me. When I bought it back in the day it came in an aluminum wheel polish container (which those companies still sell-just not to my country). Some places it was labeled as paint remover. All were sold knowing that it was to be used for human consumption, simply a way to disguise I guess. That is why they will describe as Chinese or German BASF, so no one will bitch about the quality-they will know what type they are consuming.
All my opinions though. If you put a drop of gbl on a compact disc, that drop will melt the plastic lol. I have ruined many favorite cd's at parties while dosing around them. Our stomach acid's pH can kick gbl's pH no doubt though.
I prefer gbl over all other g's.
-
I HATE GHB. On that note. I loooove gbl ( can get from jennifers) and ghb powder (which you can get from TommyG). Both on SR, I hate ghb liquid due to the reason of it being so dose sensitive and not knowing the strength it was mixed. I have taken it once and never again. I have take ghb powder and gbl fairly regulary. LOVE IT. Doses gor powder is 1.5 grams, dose for gbl is 1.5 ml. I have been rolling with G for about 15 years now. Has been only with gbl for about 14 of those years, till recently found ghb powder on SR. Still I prefer the gbl. Everything the OP said is correct!!!!! The best. Careful though with trying to dose measuring in a syringe or something while rolling, have some other eyes to help with judgment. The lines will be moving LOL. SO if in doubt, don't. I have dosed myself too high one night while rolling and was lost for a while. People said I looked like I was feeling good, but I don't remember! BUT yes, I don't roll w/o my g.
YOU HATE GHB LIQUID - not GHB itself per se. And so do I frankly. Appreciate your support of my POV regarding this - it makes such a difference!
If I may also mention though: I would not take GBL if it was 99.999% pure, free and available from my local grocery store. It is a strong solvent, and it will stress your liver big time - not good at all for long term health and vitality. Reacted properly to GHB though it is benign.
TommyG appears not to have any active listings currently, so you may acquire GHB powder from us (see link in my signature). Great to meet a fellow appreciator! :)
Correct, no likey the pre-made liquid ghb. I did not know that about the liver thing, I will look into that for sure. I rotate between the two substances. Yes Tommy G has been out for a little while. I loved him because his prices were awesome and he was a couple states over from me in the U.S.
I moved on over to your page, love it. Lots of good information too. I did not know of the different forms of ghb powder. Very interesting. Prices are kind of higher than I'm used to per gram, gets closer to my usual prices at 100 grams or more. Which is what I usually buy. However it sounds like your product is top notch stuff !!! I have only had TommyG ghb powder. I may get a dab of yours to compare sometime. I still have plenty doses left b/t gbl and ghb powder so it wouldn't be anytime soon.
Hey guys. If you don't have any ghb powder in your stock, you're doing yourselves a dis-service. Get some, try some. Then try some with your fave chemicals (especially mdma, mda, speed, meth) adds a whole nutha dimension to it. Well worth the cost.
*****BlueGiraffe's goods look top notch !!!! If you have never tried, at least get the 25 g so you and your friends can taste it. You will then be glad and add it to your collection. Really, this stuff should not be a secret. I've had some wild nights on G alone !!! Very very fun! *****
-
I HATE GHB. On that note. I loooove gbl ( can get from jennifers) and ghb powder (which you can get from TommyG). Both on SR, I hate ghb liquid due to the reason of it being so dose sensitive and not knowing the strength it was mixed. I have taken it once and never again. I have take ghb powder and gbl fairly regulary. LOVE IT. Doses gor powder is 1.5 grams, dose for gbl is 1.5 ml. I have been rolling with G for about 15 years now. Has been only with gbl for about 14 of those years, till recently found ghb powder on SR. Still I prefer the gbl. Everything the OP said is correct!!!!! The best. Careful though with trying to dose measuring in a syringe or something while rolling, have some other eyes to help with judgment. The lines will be moving LOL. SO if in doubt, don't. I have dosed myself too high one night while rolling and was lost for a while. People said I looked like I was feeling good, but I don't remember! BUT yes, I don't roll w/o my g.
YOU HATE GHB LIQUID - not GHB itself per se. And so do I frankly. Appreciate your support of my POV regarding this - it makes such a difference!
If I may also mention though: I would not take GBL if it was 99.999% pure, free and available from my local grocery store. It is a strong solvent, and it will stress your liver big time - not good at all for long term health and vitality. Reacted properly to GHB though it is benign.
TommyG appears not to have any active listings currently, so you may acquire GHB powder from us (see link in my signature). Great to meet a fellow appreciator! :)
Correct, no likey the pre-made liquid ghb. I did not know that about the liver thing, I will look into that for sure. I rotate between the two substances. Yes Tommy G has been out for a little while. I loved him because his prices were awesome and he was a couple states over from me in the U.S.
I moved on over to your page, love it. Lots of good information too. I did not know of the different forms of ghb powder. Very interesting. Prices are kind of higher than I'm used to per gram, gets closer to my usual prices at 100 grams or more. Which is what I usually buy. However it sounds like your product is top notch stuff !!! I have only had TommyG ghb powder. I may get a dab of yours to compare sometime. I still have plenty doses left b/t gbl and ghb powder so it wouldn't be anytime soon.
Hey guys. If you don't have any ghb powder in your stock, you're doing yourselves a dis-service. Get some, try some. Then try some with your fave chemicals (especially mdma, mda, speed, meth) adds a whole nutha dimension to it. Well worth the cost.
*****BlueGiraffe's goods look top notch !!!! If you have never tried, at least get the 25 g so you and your friends can taste it. You will then be glad and add it to your collection. Really, this stuff should not be a secret. I've had some wild nights on G alone !!! Very very fun! *****
Thanks for the vote of confidence! We normally sell in the 100g - 200g range, and so prices are pegged there - the smaller amounts are really for people to try out our gear before making a larger purchase...
-
How is the next couple of days after taking GHB? Is it better or worse than mdma?
Also I'm wondering how addictive this stuff is?
-thanks
-
How is the next couple of days after taking GHB? Is it better or worse than mdma?
Also I'm wondering how addictive this stuff is?
-thanks
GHB is much more benign on the body than MDMA in the days following - if you're just comparing the two.
In my experience GHB taken after MDMA also makes the following few days an altogether smoother experience...
Re addiction potential I would say it is low on the scale of all drugs - but anyone with that kind of personality could create an addictive relationship if they chose - but they would have to work pretty hard to do that generally.
GHB is the only substance that in clinical trials as an anti-depressant, had the participants voluntarily ceasing use.
BG
-
It sounds really nice. I am a bit worried about the dangers of combing the two. GHB is known here to have the most people ending up in a hospital. (Probably from mixing alcohol and/or with other drugs).
-
GHB mixed with other depressants in large doses of either is dangerous. Totally correct. Those combos should ALWAYS be avoided.
GHB post MDMA is safe, delightful and therapeutic. It combines well with all other stimulants, psychedelics and empathogens / entactogens.
Dosing dynamics require a little bit of consciousness and experimentation to get the full benefits of GHB. If used wisely it is totally safe and benign.
Full information here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90582.0
BG
-
How is the next couple of days after taking GHB? Is it better or worse than mdma?
Also I'm wondering how addictive this stuff is?
-thanks
Having used both substances, I can confidently say that GHB is much easier the next few days after than MDMA. There is no hangover or emotional imbalance whatsoever that I have noticed, but I am always conservative with my doses.
-
How is the next couple of days after taking GHB? Is it better or worse than mdma?
Also I'm wondering how addictive this stuff is?
-thanks
Having used both substances, I can confidently say that GHB is much easier the next few days after than MDMA. There is no hangover or emotional imbalance whatsoever that I have noticed, but I am always conservative with my doses.
Agree. GHB can leave one feeling refreshed and even re-vitalized. It also stimulates the pituitary gland to release more natural HGH - which is cool....
-
If your going to drop mdma twice in session when is the best time to get on the GHB on the comedown from the second? For example something like 180mg + 2.5 hours later 130mg then would GHB on the tail end of that work?
Also more interesting question, Have you any idea how GHB reacts with piracetam, mainly is it safe? I have some GHB to use for my next time on mdma but have also just discovered piracetam which I am considering pre loading on.
-
If your going to drop mdma twice in session when is the best time to get on the GHB on the comedown from the second? For example something like 180mg + 2.5 hours later 130mg then would GHB on the tail end of that work?
Also more interesting question, Have you any idea how GHB reacts with piracetam, mainly is it safe? I have some GHB to use for my next time on mdma but have also just discovered piracetam which I am considering pre loading on.
As soon as you start to drop out of the MDMA is a good time to start with GHB. Experiment with it a little earlier and a little later and see what you find works best for you. You can also go MDMA --> 2C-B --> GHB for something very special...
I've not done GHB with Piracetam (but am familiar with Piracetam on its own and with LSD). I cannot foresee any issues with GHB - should be totally fine.
BG
-
Cheers :) Very useful info. and thanks for the spoon ;)
-
You're welcome bro!
-
Nice post Blue !
I've ordered 10g of your GHB after reading it! But just a little question, I'll take approx 0.3 g of MD + Speed + Coke ( no alcohol ) on the 31st, with a friend & 2 girls. Is it dangerous to take 1-1.5g of your prod after that for beginners ( we don't want to rape the girls Haha ) ? Or we should start lower ? Do we still need Cialis with GHB :P ?
-
Nice post Blue !
I've ordered 10g of your GHB after reading it! But just a little question, I'll take approx 0.3 g of MD + Speed + Coke ( no alcohol ) on the 31st, with a friend & 2 girls. Is it dangerous to take 1-1.5g of your prod after that for beginners ( we don't want to rape the girls Haha ) ? Or we should start lower ? Do we still need Cialis with GHB :P ?
That'll work! Easy on your heart though - that could be a stressful combo, depending on how much speed and coke you're planning to do. Personally I would be cautious - but you know what you're doing I am sure...
GHB after the MDMA will be fine and, frankly you might need it, given what you're planning on taking! Start with 1.5g and then bump it up slowly in 0.5g - 1g increments every half an hour until you're in the zone. Remember the ladies are more sensitive to GHB even apart from accounting for body weight. And yes, I agree, consent much more pleasant!
Fuck Cialis! Tumescent cock that won't quit is the result of emotionally felt DESIRE. GHB relaxes emotional and body armoring and allows deep eroticism to flower in it's fullness. Cialis / Viagra et al are crude mechanical tools that close valves and mess with the natural way the cock works. If you love her then she is beautiful and if you are relaxed enough then there is wood ;) Easy on the stimulants though - you know how it goes...
Have a delightful evening ;)
BG
-
This is compared a lot to alcohol. If alcohol doesn't give me erotic/arousal sensations, will GHB still help in that area?
If I had a half gram of mda, and gram of mdma, how much GHB should I get to last with them?
Interested in this stuff, but very unfamiliar to me, so I am researching tons.
Sorry for simpleton questions.
-onion-
-
This is compared a lot to alcohol. If alcohol doesn't give me erotic/arousal sensations, will GHB still help in that area?
If I had a half gram of mda, and gram of mdma, how much GHB should I get to last with them?
Interested in this stuff, but very unfamiliar to me, so I am researching tons.
Sorry for simpleton questions.
-onion-
Oh yes! GHB way more erotic than alcohol will ever be :)
25g - 50g should cover it...
Further information here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90582.0
BG
-
50G it is. ;D
Thanks BG. For all your input and help.
-onion-
-
You're welcome amigo :)
BG
-
Now I am wondering....
Is 50g enough...
haha! I love my addictive personality. :) Or is it I am addicted to altered reality? ;)
-onion-
-
No amount is ever enough! :)
And I've never met someone who wasn't an addict. Just different poisons ;)
Your gear shipped ten minutes ago BTW...
BG
-
I've read some pretty grim reports on erowid of taking ghb after mdma, manic behaviour and stuff. What say ye to that BG?
You do sell the stuff pretty well here I must say, just made an order last night. Looking forward to trying :)
edit
-
In my personal experience, and the personal experience of everyone I have ever spoken to about this protocol (and there have been many) it's only been positive and delightful.
Haven't read the particular Erowid reports you refer to, so hard to know altogether. Also one is never certain of the quality of GHB used in 3rd party reports, or what else they've taken etc.
But certainly I've never heard of this.
Please share your own experience - personally I'd appreciate the feedback...
Enjoy when you receive your order ;)
BG
-
I've never had ghb and MDMA together but I can't believe "taking knock" hasn't been mentioned in this post.
I think everytime I've had ghb I've hit the deck at some point (going into a coma like sleept that you can't be woke up from, you only wake up naturally)
I've had my mate wake up with police and ambulance round him and he's jus got up and ran off! I was found flat on my face next to the toilet with my pants round my ankles once.
At one time ghb was rife in my town and there was a dance music club, and people were always dropping g like flys in there, bouncers always picking people up n sitting them down near the side was normal.
Btw this is the liquid form I have never come across the powder form.
So just so you know.first timers there can be a thin line from when your having a good time and then you flat on your face.asleep.
The thing is it looks serious you look like your in an actual coma n people call ambulance n shit n then you wake up fine and refreshed.
-
I've never had ghb and MDMA together but I can't believe "taking knock" hasn't been mentioned in this post.
I think everytime I've had ghb I've hit the deck at some point (going into a coma like sleept that you can't be woke up from, you only wake up naturally)
I've had my mate wake up with police and ambulance round him and he's jus got up and ran off! I was found flat on my face next to the toilet with my pants round my ankles once.
At one time ghb was rife in my town and there was a dance music club, and people were always dropping g like flys in there, bouncers always picking people up n sitting them down near the side was normal.
Btw this is the liquid form I have never come across the powder form.
So just so you know.first timers there can be a thin line from when your having a good time and then you flat on your face.asleep.
The thing is it looks serious you look like your in an actual coma n people call ambulance n shit n then you wake up fine and refreshed.
This is the problem with liquid GHB's. Totally apart from the fact they are easier to make by amateurs (and thus not always of decent quality), the main issue is no-one knows the dilution ratio - and it is very easy to take too much by mistake. This is why I always advocate powder. Cleaner, and you're doing the measuring personally so you always know how much you're taking.
And as you state that is often the largest problem: The person is actually just deeply asleep, but to someone who does not know why, it looks serious. This is why I generally do my partying on GHB in an intimate circumstance where I am free to go down if I choose. That being said I do also occasionally use it out - and I just make sure that I dose slowly and progressively, and then it is fine. There is a GHB: Art of Dosing Tutorial here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90582.50
BG
-
i took mdma and ghb for the first time the other day and at the end of my party i just slept without turning the lights off.. computer still on etc... slept like a baby all night.. very happy mood all day long.. not sure if it was due to the ghb because i did have a preload with piracetam and had a whole cocail of vitamanin suplements the next day as well as melatonin before sleep and also chia seeds and a a good high fiber breakfast teh next morning.. then meditation for 1 hour in the morning which i dont do often.
all in all i still think the GHb contributed the most to removing that emotionally flat/tired feeling the next day.. no depression the next few days either. i think GHb has negated all my post day comedowns from coke and stims too.
of all the drug abuse ive done i should be fried mentally but the ghb powder by BlueGirraffe seems to have got me through the side effects of mental retardation.. still... time for a break from the drugs for now tho.. new years partying has gotta end sometime! and dont overdo drugs ppl!
-
(Like all my info for what happens when you mix drugs is from the government) Like who's tryed just mdma and GHB for how long and what do they think the effects on their health were.
-
i took mdma and ghb for the first time the other day and at the end of my party i just slept without turning the lights off.. computer still on etc... slept like a baby all night.. very happy mood all day long.. not sure if it was due to the ghb because i did have a preload with piracetam and had a whole cocail of vitamanin suplements the next day as well as melatonin before sleep and also chia seeds and a a good high fiber breakfast teh next morning.. then meditation for 1 hour in the morning which i dont do often.
all in all i still think the GHb contributed the most to removing that emotionally flat/tired feeling the next day.. no depression the next few days either. i think GHb has negated all my post day comedowns from coke and stims too.
of all the drug abuse ive done i should be fried mentally but the ghb powder by BlueGirraffe seems to have got me through the side effects of mental retardation.. still... time for a break from the drugs for now tho.. new years partying has gotta end sometime! and dont overdo drugs ppl!
Thanks for the feedback :)
This is my experience and that of many others too. GHB does indeed mediate the crash that often happens postMDMA - it makes all the difference. Personally I would never do MDMA without GHB.
Appreciate your post.
BG
-
(Like all my info for what happens when you mix drugs is from the government) Like who's tryed just mdma and GHB for how long and what do they think the effects on their health were.
GHB definitely lessens the crash from MDMA and seems to smooth out the while system neurologically when done after MDMA. I don't how this works but it does appear this way. Based on how I feel I would say that MDMA + GHB is healthier than MDMA alone.
BG
-
Can't believe I'm not subbed to this thread!
BlueGiraffe, I should be trying LSD + MDMA + GHB in a few weeks time. Hopefully my results are fantastic. :)
-
Sounds excellent!
Slip some 2C-B between the MDMA and GHB and that will be even more interesting ;)
BG
-
I was actually wanting to see how well the GHB tapers the MDMA comedown in comparison to 2C-B first. :) Altough LSD + MDMA + 2C-B is my absolute favorite combination, I want to further test GHB before I add it to my coveted experience!
My timeline right now is as follows:
T+0:00: ~400ug LSD
T+2:00: 140mg MDMA
T+6:00: 1g GHB
Who knows though, I may just go ahead and add 2C-B to the combination as well. We shall see! :)
-
What about Enriching the MDA experience and mitigating its after-effects with GHB.
MDA vs MDMA.
Any thoughts? I guess I am still confused about the relation, if any, to these two substances with one another. Aside from a missing vowel. :)
-onion-
-
I'm sure the effects would be very similar with such a combination. MDA and it's methylated cousin MDMA are very, very closely related and have an affinity for the same receptors. One of the primary differences, however, is that MDA has a higher efficacy in stimulating the 5-HT2A receptor than MDMA which pronounces for a more psychedelic roll. MDA is also said to be much more neurotoxic so the same caution you would follow for MDMA should also be taken when ingesting MDA, and probably even more-so.
-
I too have read about MDA being more neurotoxic than mdma.
I have plenty of research to do, and will discuss much with The ILF, as they are the lovely provider of said sass. :)
Thanks AV, you always have good input.
-onion-
-
I used to use it after a mephedrone binge. Makes the comedown a million times better. It's a pretty nice drug if used sparingly.
I was briefly addicted to gbl though so if I ever use it with MDMA I would need to order less than 50 grams of ghb.
GHB addiction is not pretty!
-
I was actually wanting to see how well the GHB tapers the MDMA comedown in comparison to 2C-B first. :) Altough LSD + MDMA + 2C-B is my absolute favorite combination, I want to further test GHB before I add it to my coveted experience!
My timeline right now is as follows:
T+0:00: ~400ug LSD
T+2:00: 140mg MDMA
T+6:00: 1g GHB
Who knows though, I may just go ahead and add 2C-B to the combination as well. We shall see! :)
Sounds like a good protocol!
Def try it straight before adding 2C-B, will be good to have the comparison - and would appreciate your feedback.
Assuming the G feels comfortable in your stomach you could add another gram every half an our. Or alt go straight to 1.5g - 2g single dose, which I would often do post MDMA.
BG
-
I'm sure the effects would be very similar with such a combination. MDA and it's methylated cousin MDMA are very, very closely related and have an affinity for the same receptors. One of the primary differences, however, is that MDA has a higher efficacy in stimulating the 5-HT2A receptor than MDMA which pronounces for a more psychedelic roll. MDA is also said to be much more neurotoxic so the same caution you would follow for MDMA should also be taken when ingesting MDA, and probably even more-so.
Agree on all points.
BG
-
Thanks Blue Giraffe! I'm very excited to have learned all of that. I will be making my first purchases soon and I hope you'd be willing to work with a new customer. I would have never thought to try that hadn't it been for your post.
-
Thanks Blue Giraffe! I'm very excited to have learned all of that. I will be making my first purchases soon and I hope you'd be willing to work with a new customer. I would have never thought to try that hadn't it been for your post.
You're most welcome. And happy to work with a new customer.
BG
-
Have not done Piracetam with MDMA (thanks for the suggestion!) but have used it with acid to very good effect :)
This is fascinating! I had no idea it has an enhancing effect!
-
A big and hearty THANK YOU from BlueGiraffe to all our clients - who have all become friends!
Today was the first day that we were ranked in the Top 10% of vendors on Silk Road.
It feels like our birthday and it is all due to your amazing support!
As an acknowledgement and a thank you to all of you - until midnight UTC April 7th, all GHB orders from 50g to 500g (with the relevant code) will receive an additional 50% free product added to their order. Simply place the code BLISSEDOUTBLUEGIRAFFEPOD in the address field and we'll take care of the rest :)
Love to you all...
BG
-
That's awesome news, BG! Congratulations, you're very deserving of such a spot. Much love to you, brother. :)
-
BlueGiraffe, I have never ordered from you but I know you sell only the best :D
I direct all those with GHB inquiries to the one and only BlueGiraffe :)
I'm a fan!
Much love,
zip
-
That's awesome news, BG! Congratulations, you're very deserving of such a spot. Much love to you, brother. :)
Thank you my friend!
-
BlueGiraffe, I have never ordered from you but I know you sell only the best :D
I direct all those with GHB inquiries to the one and only BlueGiraffe :)
I'm a fan!
Much love,
zip
Thanks zip! Really appreciate that...
+1 for the great work you've been doing on the forums.
BG
-
BlueGiraffe, I have never ordered from you but I know you sell only the best :D
I direct all those with GHB inquiries to the one and only BlueGiraffe :)
I'm a fan!
Much love,
zip
Thanks zip! Really appreciate that...
+1 for the great work you've been doing on the forums.
BG
Thanks, that means alot BG :)
Right back atcha +1
zip
-
(bow)
-
This is a combo I've been interested in for time ....Too bad I missed out on that sale...
So about 1.5 - 2gm per person on come down should be about right as you say?
Just checking, I've heard numbers all across the board on this....
-
There's a huge difference between 1.5 - 5 gram doses of GHB. 1.5 grams could be a really light dose for some people. While a 5 gram dose could put some people into a deep sleep and I mean DEEP sleep. From what I've noticed the bigger you are the bigger the dosage. I'm 5'11" 187lbs and 2 grams is perfect for me. But when I first tired GHB I started off with .5 just to be safe then worked my way up.
BTW BG I need to get some GHB off you. From what I've heard you've got the best on SR.
-
Dear BG
What would be your recommended protocol for moxy+GHB?!
We're pretty experienced here, and not averse to getting too visual. Would be a whole evening in a domestic setting, so hopefully things would reach a memorable conclusion...
Other snacks are in the cupboard, if needed ;-)
Thanks for your refreshingly erotic perspective!
-
Just read though this entire post. Was just planning this exact thing, LSD+MDMA+GHB, when Is tumbled on this thread. I've never done GHB so was going to experiment with it first. After reading I can't wait for all my orders to come in!
-
Dear BG
What would be your recommended protocol for moxy+GHB?!
We're pretty experienced here, and not averse to getting too visual. Would be a whole evening in a domestic setting, so hopefully things would reach a memorable conclusion...
Other snacks are in the cupboard, if needed ;-)
Thanks for your refreshingly erotic perspective!
NNTR. I just answered my own question...
Fucking excellent night had by me & Mrs Yoshi.
6mg moxy each at 6 pm, started on the GHB about 9, lost clothes by around 9.30, got to bed about 4...having smoked quite a bit too.
Fresh as a daisy the next day, and we got a lot of stuff done!
Truly, the tryptamines have a lot to say for themselves. Made MDMA feel like 2 litres of White Lightning.
A little stomach noise very early on, but that passed quickly and what followed was unbelievably good. Deep conversation, electric music (Move D, Soundcloud/Panoramabar) and the best was still to come ;)
-
Tried this once in a house party gotta be honest didnt really think it was that good id rather have quite a few drinks before the rave then get on the mdma and not have to worry about falling asleep or issues with how much alcohol ive drunk, and also getting 5 grams of powder into a rave round here is a little on the awkward side and then youve gotta top up your water etc. bit of a hassle for me. Maybe I should try again in a better setting?
-
This is a combo I've been interested in for time ....Too bad I missed out on that sale...
So about 1.5 - 2gm per person on come down should be about right as you say?
Just checking, I've heard numbers all across the board on this....
Correct.
BG
-
Thanks BG, You are on my shopping list for my next round of orders ;)
I'll be sure to leave a review for you as well!
-
Interesting thread - shame that activity kinda went down.
Hope that BG or some other connoisseurs here can help me to understand as to how GHB produces this anti-downer effect.
If MDMA depletes ones serotonin reserves and it takes a couple of days to replenish them, then how does GHB affect this?
My personal only experience with MDMA was pleasant, but next couple of days were such that I have never gone back ... If this is truly somehow affecting this I would be keen to try that fabled LSD + MDMA (+2CB) + GHB combo.
-
There's a huge difference between 1.5 - 5 gram doses of GHB. 1.5 grams could be a really light dose for some people. While a 5 gram dose could put some people into a deep sleep and I mean DEEP sleep. From what I've noticed the bigger you are the bigger the dosage. I'm 5'11" 187lbs and 2 grams is perfect for me. But when I first tired GHB I started off with .5 just to be safe then worked my way up.
BTW BG I need to get some GHB off you. From what I've heard you've got the best on SR.
Our gear's alright ;)
-
Dear BG
What would be your recommended protocol for moxy+GHB?!
We're pretty experienced here, and not averse to getting too visual. Would be a whole evening in a domestic setting, so hopefully things would reach a memorable conclusion...
Other snacks are in the cupboard, if needed ;-)
Thanks for your refreshingly erotic perspective!
NNTR. I just answered my own question...
Fucking excellent night had by me & Mrs Yoshi.
6mg moxy each at 6 pm, started on the GHB about 9, lost clothes by around 9.30, got to bed about 4...having smoked quite a bit too.
Fresh as a daisy the next day, and we got a lot of stuff done!
Truly, the tryptamines have a lot to say for themselves. Made MDMA feel like 2 litres of White Lightning.
A little stomach noise very early on, but that passed quickly and what followed was unbelievably good. Deep conversation, electric music (Move D, Soundcloud/Panoramabar) and the best was still to come ;)
Apologies only responding now - been off the forums for a while...
Your dosage protocol and experience altogether sounds most excellent!! :)
Love your poetic descriptions, especially the White Lightening comment ;)
You may also consider taking the Moxy 3mg at a time and alternating with the GHB and slowly building them both up - also distinctly pleasurable...
BG
-
Tried this once in a house party gotta be honest didnt really think it was that good id rather have quite a few drinks before the rave then get on the mdma and not have to worry about falling asleep or issues with how much alcohol ive drunk, and also getting 5 grams of powder into a rave round here is a little on the awkward side and then youve gotta top up your water etc. bit of a hassle for me. Maybe I should try again in a better setting?
Yes, a more congenial (and private) setting would be a better circumstance for going deep on the MDMA + GHB combo...
BG
-
Interesting thread - shame that activity kinda went down.
Hope that BG or some other connoisseurs here can help me to understand as to how GHB produces this anti-downer effect.
If MDMA depletes ones serotonin reserves and it takes a couple of days to replenish them, then how does GHB affect this?
My personal only experience with MDMA was pleasant, but next couple of days were such that I have never gone back ... If this is truly somehow affecting this I would be keen to try that fabled LSD + MDMA (+2CB) + GHB combo.
Sorry, was off the forums for a bit. Responded here... http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90582.msg1318526#msg1318526
BG
-
Placed an order for some, looking forward to trying this out. Good thread!
-
Placed an order for some, looking forward to trying this out. Good thread!
Looking forward to hearing your feedback :)
Enjoy!
+1
-
Can't wait for my order to arrive.
Wouldn't order from anyone else but damn does it take a while!
Just take this as love, BG. I just have to plan ~a month in advance to get my order.
Totally worth it.
Ok, I'm done with my post of impatience :)
Much love!
-
Apologies bro - appear to have been some issues with our shipping providers the last coupe weeks - looking into presently...
Love to you also!
BG
-
Apologies bro - appear to have been some issues with our shipping providers the last coupe weeks - looking into presently...
Love to you also!
BG
Thanks man, I'm feelin the love!
And I appreciate you looking into it. True customer service here.
I'd say the feel I get from the BlueGiraffe company is one of clean, professional setup.
One of a legitimate business, which I think it is. Thanks for bringing that standard of operations to The Silk Road.
Now to check the mail... ;)
zipstyle
-
I second that..Thanks BG!
The best setting for the MDMA GHB combo is on a big bed with somebody that you are comfortable with :)
It's more of an intimate roll, taking the GHB after peaking can lead to some fun times!
Can't wait to try the mescalin when it's ready for market!
-
I second that..Thanks BG!
The best setting for the MDMA GHB combo is on a big bed with somebody that you are comfortable with :)
It's more of an intimate roll, taking the GHB after peaking can lead to some fun times!
Can't wait to try the mescalin when it's ready for market!
Mescaline development coming along very nicely :)
And of course if you bring that into the mix with GHB and MDMA then you have heaven on earth - hard to get more magical...
BG
-
BG: Can you expand more on bringing mescaline into the experience?
-
BG: Can you expand more on bringing mescaline into the experience?
Serpently :)
Mescaline integrates very well with MDMA. They are both phenethylamines which contributes to this. Mescaline on its own already has mild MDMA-like empathogenic qualities and when taken with MDMA it allows for both a lowering of the MDMA dose as well as bringing a deeper psychedelic richness into play.
As MDMA is certainly neurotoxic to a degree, whereas Mescaline is not, the ability to lower the MDMA dose in the presence of Mescaline and still achieve the same empathic effect is clearly positive for one's neurological health.
Mescaline will also tend to extend the duration of the MDMA experience, and allow better psychological integration.
Mescaline also combines well with GHB, which is often used (as discussed in the beginning of this thread) to extend the MDMA experience and create a much smoother transition from the MDMA state back to baseline.
When using only Mescaline and GHB together, it can become quite MDMA-like, though with more psychic richness, humour, and in-your-face sexuality.
Certainly a profound combination is to use Mescaline first, then take MDMA on the peak, and then start taking GHB about 2-3 hours after dropping the MDMA - very special and I highly recommend ;)
Blue(Shimmering)Giraffe