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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: TheYowie on September 03, 2013, 03:29 am
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Man oh man, what is the deal?
I'm looking to buy some goodies, and HALF the feedback for the stuff I'm looking at is saying that the stuff never arrived, yet you turkeys still persist in giving 5/5 because you think the vendor was a good bloke giving you 50% back.
Okay, let's put the pipe down and turn on our brains, shall we?
If your stuff did arrive and you're scamming the vendor, then you get half price shit but the vendor still covers their costs or even still makes a small profit, and your rep takes a hit. Do that too many times and nobody will deal with you, so it's a fucking dumb move.
If your stuff didn't arrive, yeah customs could've nabbed it, but the probability is actually very low. Do the sums, the info is out there. If you look at the feedback and there's a whole heap of no-shows from all over the globe, if you still give 5/5 YOU'RE ACTIVELY ENCOURAGING VENDOR SIDE SCAMMING.
If you give 5/5 and the stealth is so shit it's a miracle it made it, DON'T GIVE 5/5 JUST BECAUSE IT MADE IT! You're not exactly 'raising the bar' are you? Send a clear message that shit stealth won't be tolerated.
So what's my message?
Don't give 5/5 unless it's a PERFECT TRANSACTION.
PERFECT.
Not adequate, not 'Yay I got a 50% refund"..........PERFECT.
Less than absolutely perfect, give a 4.
If you insist on being a Sheeple and blindly giving 5/5, you're fucking it for everyone else because nobody can tell if a vendor really is any good or not. Seriously, there are vendors on here who are quite big and have atrocious hit-rates and yet everyone seems hell bent on giving them 5/5. I'll even go so far to insist that some larger vendors know they can get much higher prices on the street for a certain product, but as it's one of a dozen they offer on SR and you clowns keep giving them 5/5, they can hide the no-shows (or should I say, the 'never sents') really easily, and it doesn't effect their stats.
SO DON'T GIVE 5/5 UNLESS THE TRANSACTION IS PERFECT!!!!!!!!
M'kay?
:)
Discuss.
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I agree. The whole feedback system is kind of fucked up though. Leave less than a 5, and the vendor puts you on the "blacklist". Not sure exactly what that is, but I think it means that other vendors may not let you order from them. If everyone left honest feedback, an average score of 4 would be fine. As it is now, I wouldn't order from a vendor that has less than 4.8ish. It puts everyone in a bad spot really.
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I'm also a fan of the 4/5 for such situations as described above. I'm sure vendors appreciate when they still get a 5/5 when a shipment has a problem or gets nabbed. I mean, anything less and it's adding insult to injury.
However, this is business. Let's assume the vendor has had their shipments nabbed. An accurate portrayal of, say, the effectiveness of their stealth through the postal service is important to the buyers in such instances, and gives proper incentive for vendors to go above and beyond, even when they have done a good job in the past.
Safety is prime here, and I can't in good conscience give a stellar review to a transaction that provided anything less than the peace of mind SR transactions have been known to come with. It's risky enough doing business at all; but doing business and giving inaccurate numerical reviews can put us more at risk, especially if they mask a vendor's sub-par stealth.
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You see things like "never arrived in 3 weeks but got s refund so it's OK".
NO, it's not fucking OK. You do not leave a 5 unless the transaction is flawless and all you are doing is helping buyers get messed around more.
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I think it's not actually reasonable to rate an item you never received in the first place. What I would like to see is an additional option to declare that a rating is not applicable because it never arrived. I'd also love to see the success rate for a vendor derived from this information.
This prevents the merging of two separate concerns into one rating and makes it easier for customers fearing they'd come onto any kind of black list.
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If a vendor sends your order, and it gets nabbed and they give you a refund then of course the deserve a 5/5. You do realize most items get caught because the BUYERS address is being watched? The vendor is losing the product and the money and you are getting a refund.
My listings promise I will send the package and if it does not arrive I give a 50% refund. About 0.8% of the time it does not arrive(or the buyer claims it did not arrive) and I give the refund I promised. I am meeting my end of the agreement so I deserve a 5/5.
Buyers who blame the vendor when customs nabs a package are the type of buyers I choose not to deal with again. This shit is illegal and it is not all going to get through, we both share the risk. Taking the attitude that a vendor should be punished for this is a great way to lose your buying priviledges.
Remember, for every 10 people who claim it did not arrive there are about 3-5 people lying about it.
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If a vendor sends your order, and it gets nabbed and they give you a refund then of course the deserve a 5/5. You do realize most items get caught because the BUYERS address is being watched? The vendor is losing the product and the money and you are getting a refund.
My listings promise I will send the package and if it does not arrive I give a 50% refund. About 0.8% of the time it does not arrive(or the buyer claims it did not arrive) and I give the refund I promised. I am meeting my end of the agreement so I deserve a 5/5.
Buyers who blame the vendor when customs nabs a package are the type of buyers I choose not to deal with again. This shit is illegal and it is not all going to get through, we both share the risk. Taking the attitude that a vendor should be punished for this is a great way to lose your buying priviledges.
Remember, for every 10 people who claim it did not arrive there are about 3-5 people lying about it.
I agree with you about the agreement you've made to your customers. To me, a 50/50 equal share of the loss is completely fair, especially for a vendor with a proven history of successful deliveries.
However, I don't agree with the notion that most packages that are intercepted are a result of a buyer's address being watched (in my country anyway). Firstly, for an address to be watched, the buyer would have had to previously had an order or two (depending on the quantity of course) intercepted resulting in the address being flagged. You would hope that most buyers are smart enough to know that if an order doesn't arrive, they don't order anything else to the same address ever again, although I'm sure there are always exceptions to the rule. As you said, it is an illegal act that is being carried out and as such, shit will inevitably be intercepted on occasions, that's a given. However, stealth packaging is an art and some vendor's are better at it than others. I can honestly say that I have a 100% success rate with the few O/S vendors I've been using which is due to the incredible lengths some vendors go to when packaging your order.
If the vendor sends the item and it doesn't arrive, a 50/50 equal share refund is the only fair option IMO and a 5/5 feedback score should be left if that is agreed to. It's not a perfect, fool proof system and shit does happen occasionally.
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Both sides have enough reason to argue into oblivion. Although, I do agree on the feedback system being beyond repair now.
It would be great if everyone would understand that receiving your package or it being sent out and you receiving a refund shouldn't constitute as a 5/5 transaction.
Most 5/5 vendors have at least 1 problem with every transaction (quality, packaging, communication, ect). If stats were wiped and the 1-5 ratings were described explicitly for what feedback should be assigned in the most common cases, then there would certainly be alot more confidence in product quality, packaging, affability, professionalism, and other aspects of a transaction that are currently being overlooked.
Most people just orgasm over receiving a package or a fraction of their money back, and it is hurting the ability to research what vendors to purchase from.
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I think it's not actually reasonable to rate an item you never received in the first place. What I would like to see is an additional option to declare that a rating is not applicable because it never arrived. I'd also love to see the success rate for a vendor derived from this information.
This is brilliant!
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Both sides have enough reason to argue into oblivion. Although, I do agree on the feedback system being beyond repair now.
It would be great if everyone would understand that receiving your package or it being sent out and you receiving a refund shouldn't constitute as a 5/5 transaction.
Most 5/5 vendors have at least 1 problem with every transaction (quality, packaging, communication, ect). If stats were wiped and the 1-5 ratings were described explicitly for what feedback should be assigned in the most common cases, then there would certainly be alot more confidence in product quality, packaging, affability, professionalism, and other aspects of a transaction that are currently being overlooked.
Most people just orgasm over receiving a package or a fraction of their money back, and it is hurting the ability to research what vendors to purchase from.
To be honest, no one is perfect, nor is any one transaction. I believe that if a vendor delivers my order and it's what was described in the listing, then they deserve a 5/5. Sure, maybe their communication could use a little work, but some vendor's are a one man team and others have trusted individuals that may help them (packaging, drop offs to the Post Office/Box, etc) meaning some have more time to engage in conversation while some don't have much time at all to chat. There's no doubt they could all improve in one way or another but if my order arrives and it contains what I ordered then that's a 5/5 every time.
PS - I hardly think buyers orgasm over receiving a fraction of their money back, although it is better than nothing, but I can see a buyer having an orgasm when a package arrives!!
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I think it's not actually reasonable to rate an item you never received in the first place. What I would like to see is an additional option to declare that a rating is not applicable because it never arrived. I'd also love to see the success rate for a vendor derived from this information.
This is brilliant!
Too easy to manipulate IMO, especially for a competing vendor.
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I disagree with this thread for one reason. International shipping. With international shipping, especially with some items, a lot of the times items get confiscated, intercepted, etc, even with tracking. The vendor can only do so much in some cases with some items.
I know it's an inherent risk when ordering from international vendors. Importing MDMA from a vendor overseas in 100-500g amounts, there is an obvious factor that even with the best stealth, it could get discovered. I would not expect the vendor give me a full refund... that's a shitload of money. This is where tracking/trust comes in. The risk is just inherent and obvious when ordering internationally, and I dont think a lot of people realize this. Interational orders are 99% of the orders that are listed as "did not arrive" etc.
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I think it's not actually reasonable to rate an item you never received in the first place. What I would like to see is an additional option to declare that a rating is not applicable because it never arrived. I'd also love to see the success rate for a vendor derived from this information.
This is brilliant!
Too easy to manipulate IMO, especially for a competing vendor.
Competing vendors can rate 1/5 as of today. By separating product rating from success rate manipulation actually becomes harder.
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If a vendor sends your order, and it gets nabbed and they give you a refund then of course the deserve a 5/5. You do realize most items get caught because the BUYERS address is being watched? The vendor is losing the product and the money and you are getting a refund.
My listings promise I will send the package and if it does not arrive I give a 50% refund. About 0.8% of the time it does not arrive(or the buyer claims it did not arrive) and I give the refund I promised. I am meeting my end of the agreement so I deserve a 5/5.
Buyers who blame the vendor when customs nabs a package are the type of buyers I choose not to deal with again. This shit is illegal and it is not all going to get through, we both share the risk. Taking the attitude that a vendor should be punished for this is a great way to lose your buying priviledges.
Remember, for every 10 people who claim it did not arrive there are about 3-5 people lying about it.
You are absolutely right.
All the people comment on this saying leave less, fuck the vendor who did not sent it stealthy enough.
WTF...is this science?
Are you really thinking a vendor don't send orders on purpose for that lousy money.
A vendor who make a fortune by just shipping all ''normal'' would bring his business in trouble for HALF the money (50% refund)
Of course there are scammers but...(and every vendor will confirm this) it is the buyers that do so.
And, to the contrary from the vendors, they get (in their eyes) a lot of money back when not arrived wile it did.
With that they can buy more and it is so easy just say it did not arrive.
But....I swear....90% of all my ''non arrivals'' were lost with new -unknown- customers!!!
If I loose a shipment it is never from a well known repeated client !!
I almost never sell to new people anymore, I can afford to say no, (have enough money).....and not one shipment is lost the last 4 months or so.
Oops...yes....one, and it was a very well known customer and !!! domestic.
I believed that buyer LOL
Again, a vendor will do anything to get his order to its client, that is how he makes his money !
Not by scamming !
I ship all over the world, Australia, New Zealand all the difficult countries and...I sell pills.
Even a bunch of Scandinavian clients, you doing good getting your stuff in there....95% success!!
So, you give refund because the benefit of the doubt...not because you believe them because the majority is lying !
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Here the same.
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ITT buyers circle jerk
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If a vendor sends your order, and it gets nabbed and they give you a refund then of course the deserve a 5/5. You do realize most items get caught because the BUYERS address is being watched? The vendor is losing the product and the money and you are getting a refund.
My listings promise I will send the package and if it does not arrive I give a 50% refund. About 0.8% of the time it does not arrive(or the buyer claims it did not arrive) and I give the refund I promised. I am meeting my end of the agreement so I deserve a 5/5.
Buyers who blame the vendor when customs nabs a package are the type of buyers I choose not to deal with again. This shit is illegal and it is not all going to get through, we both share the risk. Taking the attitude that a vendor should be punished for this is a great way to lose your buying priviledges.
Remember, for every 10 people who claim it did not arrive there are about 3-5 people lying about it.
This^ of course. Some of the OP's examples are extreme and I agree on those. But I also think, in less extreme situations, the buyers do tend to give a 5/5 when a 9/10 or 95/100 would be a better rating. A 4/5 is a 20% failure. I have never gotten a 4 and I want to keep it that way. I would not mind getting a 95/100 if I was not great. Having the buyer have to choose between perfect 100% good and 20% terrible/80% good is not a cool situation for buyers. No wonder they always choose 5/5. Please ask for a better choice than 1-5.
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Addressing watching is bullshit and has never been proven. If anything it has been disproven by large drug packages arriving very easily to peoples houses whom have lost packages in the past. The truth is, packages have a higher chance of getting lost when going over seas. It's as simple as that. Each customs border it has to pass through increases the risk of it being discovered.
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Addressing watching is bullshit and has never been proven. If anything it has been disproved by large drug packages arriving very easily to peoples houses whom have lost packages in the past. The truth is, packages have a higher chance of getting lost when going over seas. It's as simple as that. Each customs border it has to pass through increases the risk of it being discovered.
Agreed. Out of the 300+ packages I've ordered ( and I'd say about a third international) and I've only lost international packages. I'd say about 10%. At the beginning though it was mostly from the Netherlands. I've learned to avoid that country. Others were just caught by customs. I received a love letter once (not the only) and accidentally forgot to remove that drop from rotation. I received 3 or 4 more international packages at the address.
I try to choose only vendors that offer at least a 50% refund on lost packages but completely understand those who don't or require FE. I won't shop with them but I believe their policy is reasonable. I'm still amazed that some of you get through to Australia and Sweden.
THREAD HIJACK: Just a side note, I was considering ordering from a vendor in Turkey but haven't read anything about them being on a watch list. ny info y'all?
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Addressing watching is bullshit and has never been proven. If anything it has been disproven by large drug packages arriving very easily to peoples houses whom have lost packages in the past. The truth is, packages have a higher chance of getting lost when going over seas. It's as simple as that. Each customs border it has to pass through increases the risk of it being discovered.
Agreed. I have to say that there are ways of stealthily hiding products in a package and in my experience, they've worked really well. Vendors (not the ones already doing so) need to invest some time developing new methods but for some of them, there aren't enough hours in a day!! There's no doubt that International packages have a greater chance of being intercepted compared to domestic ones but they will still get through most of the time if the packaging is done well. There's the old saying - "if you always do what you've always done then you'll always get what you've always got" meaning if you don't start thinking outside the box and just keep sending things as you've always done, it's inevitable packages will go missing. Yes there are many things which could cause a non-delivery but you still want to give it the best opportunity possible of making it through from your end.
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Wadozo you fucking bozo, are you ass licking again? of course you agree, you're such a little worm you won't state your true opinion, as this is all you have in your sad little world.
Wo betide you upset someone with your controversial opinions NOT.
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Addressing watching is bullshit and has never been proven. If anything it has been disproven by large drug packages arriving very easily to peoples houses whom have lost packages in the past. The truth is, packages have a higher chance of getting lost when going over seas. It's as simple as that. Each customs border it has to pass through increases the risk of it being discovered.
Agreed. I have to say that there are ways of stealthily hiding products in a package and in my experience, they've worked really well. Vendors (not the ones already doing so) need to invest some time developing new methods but for some of them, there aren't enough hours in a day!! There's no doubt that International packages have a greater chance of being intercepted compared to domestic ones but they will still get through most of the time if the packaging is done well. There's the old saying - "if you always do what you've always done then you'll always get what you've always got" meaning if you don't start thinking outside the box and just keep sending things as you've always done, it's inevitable packages will go missing. Yes there are many things which could cause a non-delivery but you still want to give it the best opportunity possible of making it through from your end.
Like hell on heels said...wonder how you get it into Australia and Scandinavia...
I do it all the time and the funny thing is Australia never lost one, Scandinavia (finland) one lost.
About the stealth..
have you ever seen tv serie airport or border security?
All drugs, coke, heroin is packed in such a fantastic way, in wooden art, wheelchairs (metal pipe)anything you can think of it is done.
All found (what we see anyway)
What you see, the minute they have it in their hands, the minute their attention is on the package or letter....you're fucked.
I sell pills (larger quantities, not 5 or so)
My best stealth is mail that look so common that there is not even the remote intention of picking it out of the bunch of what is on the transport belt ?
I have customers telling me ''when I opened it it was just there''. They were in shock so to speak.
Yes it was...but from the outside you could never guessed it was there would you?
No of course not.
You want to be like an illusionist...in plain sight and nobody see it....you see what you want to see.
You can send a statue so beautiful (and filled with coke) but customs pay attention to that, for sure examine it.
That is also why i don't do tracking etc. Myface at the post office (yeah right)
Attention to a package, custom papers on it. They have to be in every bodies hands to check and put in the system again and again.
Mail center, border/customs, the other customs/border, mailcenter, postoffice/ mailman.
It cost money, why would somebody pay so much money on such a small ''post piece'',does it has so much value ?...what is it ??????? BINGO !!!!!
Believe it or not but I lost almost nothing (1000+ shipments) shipping all over the world Australia, Scandinavia US Canada you name it.
All according to the KISS principal.
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I see this a lot with Haizenberg. People say "oh my stuff never arrived" and just give him 5/5 because he's gotten a lot of 5/5 ratings (while writing that it never showed). It's as if people are scared to give a bad rating. If your stuff doesn't show don't be a pussy, let people know!
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Addressing watching is bullshit and has never been proven.
Clearly you have never sent much to Australia. In Oz address watching is very much a reality.
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Do you honestly think that when Oz customs finds drugs that they don't red flag that address? The toughest customs out there, and they don't bother recording where they find the drugs?
That is just unrealistic.
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Show me proof of extensive, systematised address watching in Australia.
Show me evidence that Australian customs is better or more effective than any other country.
Until ANYONE can furnish me PROOF of either of the above, you're opinion is complete and utter unresearched, heresay bullshit. Perpetuating convenient untruths.
Just prove it.
Just point to one solitary piece of evidence that even vaguely suggests either of these propositions are true.
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Look, I understand some vendors posting on here that are clearly upset, how about some objectivity? It's not personal, I just want a better system for all :)
What do we know for sure about what happens?
1. Shipping standards are clearly (still) universally shit.
Vendors didn't even know vac sealed PE takes a whole 15 minutes before sniffer dogs could detect it, until a few months ago. "5/5 good stealth!" used to be (or maybe even still is) a PE bag thrown in an envelope with a couple of sheets of paper. This myth was perpetuated by vendors at the risk of buyers safety, in lieu of them actually doing their job properly. And buyers perpetuated it. Well done, us.
2. Australia is such a hard country!
Despite absolutely no evidence to the contrary, the myth of Australia somehow being 'hard' has been attributed to:
a) Australia is a long way away, as if mail has never been sent here before and you're some fucking Marco Polo.
b) Lots of packages have gone missing because we're, well, Australians, and therefore must be a whole bunch of scammers for no rational reason. Could it be that maybe there's just as many scammers here as anywhere, it's just that your shipping standards are shit? Nah, that can't be it! We're CONVICTS!
c) Your customs are amazing. Yeah, they're cybernetic beagle ninjas. Oh wait, there's no proof they're any different to anywhere else.
There is absolutely no evidence of ANY of the above. NONE.
So what FACTS (no, actual real, indisputable ones) are there?
1. If a vendor offers a 50% refund rate and doesn't ship, they get 50% for doing nothing. Winner - VENDOR
2. If they do this - especially to Aussies - they know both that: a )'the myths prevail!' and b) they'll still get 5/5 anyway. Winner - VENDOR
3. If they do send and the buyer scams claiming a no-show, the vendors costs are still covered. Buyer gets half price drugs, vendor covers their costs or maybe even makes a small profit. Vendor gets 5/5, buyer takes a refund rate hit. Winner - hrm......DRAW?
Now, as a comment about that. In the Real World, companies amortise 'warranty' into their sell price. So WTF is stopping vendors doing that also? Bueller? No, there is no good reason, aside from being lazy and not having any business sense, or a desire to monitor their business in any meaningful way. It's easier just to rip people off.
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So anyway, looking forward, this is where my thoughts are at the moment......
1. Feedback needs to not be out of 5. People have mentioned this earlier and I think that's a great idea - it should be out of 100, and ratings should be for, and weighted:
• Customer Service / Professional Conduct (25%)
• Product Quality (45%)
• Shipping Standards (40%)
(SR should have guidelines for all these things, btw)
Buyers could have ratings, too.
• Contribution to Community / Courteousness / Fairness (10%)
• Monthly refund rate (10%)
• All-Time refund rate (25%)
• Number of successful transactions (30%)
• Value of successful transactions (25%)
(I pulled these out of my arse, but you get the idea) :)
2. You should be able to view stats at the click of a button for not only the particular listing you're looking at, as well as total for the vendor. (Some large vendors with many products are clearly using one of the products as a deliberate 'red herring' - having heaps of no-shows on the one product, people still give them 5/5 anyway, and it doesn't effect their global rating. One click to see if a vendor for some reason can magically ship one type of product but not another is a good thing. (Coke looks just like Molly to an xray machine or dog when it's wrapped in an MBB, assholes.)
3. I'd like to see stats on location, but that might be revealing too much to LE. There needs to be a mechanism however to see which countries really are problematic, or ones that are hot at any given time. Perhaps countries or regions could be colour coded based on:
a) 'selling into' rates of success
b) 'buyer' ratings?
That way avoiding anything that reveals volumes.
(Honestly, the amount of information going through SR is incredibly fascinating and so much could be done with it, it's not even funny)
4. There should be more incentives to promote good buyers. The more you spend, the more transactions you have, should come with increased privileges and more favourable T&C's. Written in stone, not 'cap in hand'.
5. There should be a global T&C for sellers. Allowing vendors to bypass Escrow rules for example is rubbish - it encourages scamming and damages growth of the PR brand by opening newbies up to exploitation.
Anyway, there goes an hour, typing shit. Thanks to everyone who is contributing!
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wtf Yowie... Clearly we disagree, no need to take it personally. We can have different opinions without freaking out.
The fact is that I have extensive experience shipping all over the world. I don't need proof to assume that customs are trying to stop me. The reality is that Oz has a far higher failure rate than the rest of the world.
Either they have really good customs or they lie more often, but it is a fact that they are a problem destination. Russia has the same problem, but they seem to undertand and not blame the vendor as often.
You want me to prove that they are trying to stop us? I didn't read your whole post, it was too long. I read the first bit about you expecting people to prove stuff.
Really, I don't wait for proof, I assume they are out to get us. It is pretty much an established fact that governments want to stop us.
One thing I do have statistical evidence of is that if a package does not arrive and I send another to the same address it was a far greater likelyhood of being intercepted than if I sent it to another address. Therefore I think they watch addresses they found drugs at in the past.
Why in the world would they NOT watch addresses after finding drugs? The claim that they do not is an exceptional one and it is exceptional claims that require proof.
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wtf Yowie... Clearly we disagree, no need to take it personally. We can have different opinions without freaking out.
The fact is that I have extensive experience shipping all over the world. I don't need proof to assume that customs are trying to stop me. The reality is that Oz has a far higher failure rate than the rest of the world.
Either they have really good customs or they lie more often, but it is a fact that they are a problem destination. Russia has the same problem, but they seem to undertand and not blame the vendor as often.
You want me to prove that they are trying to stop us? I didn't read your whole post, it was too long. I read the first bit about you expecting people to prove stuff.
Really, I don't wait for proof, I assume they are out to get us. It is pretty much an established fact that governments want to stop us.
One thing I do have statistical evidence of is that if a package does not arrive and I send another to the same address it was a far greater likelyhood of being intercepted than if I sent it to another address. Therefore I think they watch addresses they found drugs at in the past.
Why in the world would they NOT watch addresses after finding drugs? The claim that they do not is an exceptional one and it is exceptional claims that require proof.
Yowie is correct when he says that Australian Customs is no more difficult to get packages through than most other western countries such as the US or the UK. As I've said before, the US vendor I've been using for well over a year now has a 100% successful delivery record with both myself and 2 of my mates. The "business letter" method has had it's day IMO and while it may still work for some, Customs are paying more attention to letters now than ever before.
The Australian Federal Police don't have the manpower or the resources to watch an address where a gram of drugs were sent to, especially when the person who's name is on the envelope either doesn't exist or live at the address. Remember, in Australia we NEVER use our real names on our O/S orders as unlike the US, Australia Post doesn't use software which relates a name to an address when sorting. I could address a letter to Mr Dick Head and as long as the address itself was correct, it would be delivered just fine. Your address may be watch if the amount seized is a commercial quantity or Customs intercept more than one package to the same address. However, any buyer who orders again to an address where a seizure was made is stupid and any vendor who sends a re-ship to the same address where a seizure was just made is equally as stupid.
Of course our Government is out to put a stop to any drug shipments getting through Customs at our boarders and so is every other Government from around the world. That doesn't mean shit can't get through cause it definitely can.It means vendors who want to ship to O/S countries have to keep improving and developing new techniques and ideas. Most Australian buyers will be more than happy to pay extra for a vendor to take the time to stealthily package their product with quality materials. This notion that Australia is a problem destination is a myth and with over 150 orders to my name, I'm living proof. If one vendor can do it, there's no reason others can't either.
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wtf Yowie... Clearly we disagree, no need to take it personally. We can have different opinions without freaking out.
The fact is that I have extensive experience shipping all over the world. I don't need proof to assume that customs are trying to stop me. The reality is that Oz has a far higher failure rate than the rest of the world.
Either they have really good customs or they lie more often, but it is a fact that they are a problem destination. Russia has the same problem, but they seem to undertand and not blame the vendor as often.
You want me to prove that they are trying to stop us? I didn't read your whole post, it was too long. I read the first bit about you expecting people to prove stuff.
Really, I don't wait for proof, I assume they are out to get us. It is pretty much an established fact that governments want to stop us.
One thing I do have statistical evidence of is that if a package does not arrive and I send another to the same address it was a far greater likelyhood of being intercepted than if I sent it to another address. Therefore I think they watch addresses they found drugs at in the past.
Why in the world would they NOT watch addresses after finding drugs? The claim that they do not is an exceptional one and it is exceptional claims that require proof.
Since about a year shipping to Australia (before was to afraid, did not ship)
I send pills so kinda ''bulky''.
The Australians are very well mannered. friendly people (my buyers anyway) and if something is missing they totally blame the Aussie customs.
There are some who pay me soon as the order is in transit and refuse the refund (in case it get lost)
Of course I will refund and...so far nothing is lost LOL
The Australians are people who take nothing for granted and appreciate everything a vendor will do for them.
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wtf Yowie... Clearly we disagree, no need to take it personally. We can have different opinions without freaking out.
The fact is that I have extensive experience shipping all over the world. I don't need proof to assume that customs are trying to stop me. The reality is that Oz has a far higher failure rate than the rest of the world.
Either they have really good customs or they lie more often, but it is a fact that they are a problem destination. Russia has the same problem, but they seem to undertand and not blame the vendor as often.
You want me to prove that they are trying to stop us? I didn't read your whole post, it was too long. I read the first bit about you expecting people to prove stuff.
Really, I don't wait for proof, I assume they are out to get us. It is pretty much an established fact that governments want to stop us.
One thing I do have statistical evidence of is that if a package does not arrive and I send another to the same address it was a far greater likelyhood of being intercepted than if I sent it to another address. Therefore I think they watch addresses they found drugs at in the past.
Why in the world would they NOT watch addresses after finding drugs? The claim that they do not is an exceptional one and it is exceptional claims that require proof.
Since about a year shipping to Australia (before was to afraid, did not ship)
I send pills so kinda ''bulky''.
The Australians are very well mannered. friendly people (my buyers anyway) and if something is missing they totally blame the Aussie customs.
There are some who pay me soon as the order is in transit and refuse the refund (in case it get lost)
Of course I will refund and...so far nothing is lost LOL
The Australians are people who take nothing for granted and appreciate everything a vendor will do for them.
We appreciate a vendor such as yourself who knows how to get their orders through. It is possible and any vendor claiming that it's not needs to think outside the box, forget the old "business envelope" mentality and brush up on their stealth packaging skills.
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well John...that is the reason we like the Aussies better than UK coke heads like you.
More polite, trustworthy and...they appreciate when something good is done.
what is that white under your nose? :-P Ah, that is why you talk like this again....every night the same huh...
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1. Feedback needs to not be out of 5. People have mentioned this earlier and I think that's a great idea - it should be out of 100, and ratings should be for, and weighted:
• Customer Service / Professional Conduct (25%)
• Product Quality (45%)
• Shipping Standards (40%)
(SR should have guidelines for all these things, btw)
Is anyone actually reading this stuff ? He has some valid points but I only ask as something just doesn't add up ;)
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1. Feedback needs to not be out of 5. People have mentioned this earlier and I think that's a great idea - it should be out of 100, and ratings should be for, and weighted:
• Customer Service / Professional Conduct (25%)
• Product Quality (45%)
• Shipping Standards (40%)
(SR should have guidelines for all these things, btw)
Is anyone actually reading this stuff ? He has some valid points but I only ask as something just doesn't add up ;)
He's usually correct 10% of the time !
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wtf Yowie... Clearly we disagree, no need to take it personally. We can have different opinions without freaking out.
The fact is that I have extensive experience shipping all over the world. I don't need proof to assume that customs are trying to stop me. The reality is that Oz has a far higher failure rate than the rest of the world.
Either they have really good customs or they lie more often, but it is a fact that they are a problem destination. Russia has the same problem, but they seem to undertand and not blame the vendor as often.
You want me to prove that they are trying to stop us? I didn't read your whole post, it was too long. I read the first bit about you expecting people to prove stuff.
Really, I don't wait for proof, I assume they are out to get us. It is pretty much an established fact that governments want to stop us.
One thing I do have statistical evidence of is that if a package does not arrive and I send another to the same address it was a far greater likelyhood of being intercepted than if I sent it to another address. Therefore I think they watch addresses they found drugs at in the past.
Why in the world would they NOT watch addresses after finding drugs? The claim that they do not is an exceptional one and it is exceptional claims that require proof.
I don't blame you, Jesse is the same, takes up the whole page with monosyllabic drivel. Ozzie customs are like the whole country, complete wankers. Jesse you live in some war torn Eastern European slum, so you can bribe people to let your drugs through. You produce the most peadophilia in the world. Wadozo, what would you know you're a snitch, probably sending customs tip offs aren't you.
Fuck off you skinny, little, pommy poof! Again, contributing NOTHING to the thread and completely off topic, probably due to your inability to comprehend words bigger than dog or goat! The UK rock spider Troll is again posting complete waffle and contributing NOTHING to the thread, just like the rest of your worthless 198 previous posts. Have another shot of smack John and piss off to your room and watch the CP you love so much, being the filthy pedophile that you are. We all know what a sick, twisted and demented Troll you are, just read through your post history for conclusive evidence. A 3 legged blind dog could contribute more to a thread than you ever could without any effort at all.
The term "Wanker" is Australian Slang, not a word used by Poms, which describes the useless oxygen thief you are down to a tee!! TROLL, go back in your hole.
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wtf Yowie... Clearly we disagree, no need to take it personally. We can have different opinions without freaking out.
The fact is that I have extensive experience shipping all over the world. I don't need proof to assume that customs are trying to stop me. The reality is that Oz has a far higher failure rate than the rest of the world.
Either they have really good customs or they lie more often, but it is a fact that they are a problem destination. Russia has the same problem, but they seem to undertand and not blame the vendor as often.
You want me to prove that they are trying to stop us? I didn't read your whole post, it was too long. I read the first bit about you expecting people to prove stuff.
Really, I don't wait for proof, I assume they are out to get us. It is pretty much an established fact that governments want to stop us.
One thing I do have statistical evidence of is that if a package does not arrive and I send another to the same address it was a far greater likelyhood of being intercepted than if I sent it to another address. Therefore I think they watch addresses they found drugs at in the past.
Why in the world would they NOT watch addresses after finding drugs? The claim that they do not is an exceptional one and it is exceptional claims that require proof.
I don't blame you, Jesse is the same, takes up the whole page with monosyllabic drivel. Ozzie customs are like the whole country, complete wankers. Jesse you live in some war torn Eastern European slum, so you can bribe people to let your drugs through. You produce the most peadophilia in the world. Wadozo, what would you know you're a snitch, probably sending customs tip offs aren't you.
Fuck off you skinny, little, pommy poof! Again, contributing NOTHING to the thread and completely off topic, probably due to your inability to comprehend words bigger than dog or goat! The UK rock spider Troll is again posting complete waffle and contributing NOTHING to the thread, just like the rest of your worthless 198 previous posts. Have another shot of smack John and piss off to your room and watch the CP you love so much, being the filthy pedophile that you are. We all know what a sick, twisted and demented Troll you are, just read through your post history for conclusive evidence. A 3 legged blind dog could contribute more to a thread than you ever could without any effort at all.
The term "Wanker" is Australian Slang, not a word used by Poms, which describes the useless oxygen thief you are down to a tee!! TROLL, go back in your hole.
Jesus, you're going to have a heart attack. Calm down. I didn't mean to call you a snitch, it was that other fucker who scammed us all. So apologies for that. Come on I'm not a rock spider, and pom is actually a nice meal.
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I disagree with this thread for one reason. International shipping. With international shipping, especially with some items, a lot of the times items get confiscated, intercepted, etc, even with tracking. The vendor can only do so much in some cases with some items.
I know it's an inherent risk when ordering from international vendors. Importing MDMA from a vendor overseas in 100-500g amounts, there is an obvious factor that even with the best stealth, it could get discovered. I would not expect the vendor give me a full refund... that's a shitload of money. This is where tracking/trust comes in. The risk is just inherent and obvious when ordering internationally, and I dont think a lot of people realize this. Interational orders are 99% of the orders that are listed as "did not arrive" etc.
Totally agree with Miss Natural. International orders are a different beast and should have different metrics. Would like to see the international orders split out from domestic. Also different rules and deadlines based on the different nature of international shipping - customs, delays, signature reqts, pickup notice.
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I disagree with this thread for one reason. International shipping. With international shipping, especially with some items, a lot of the times items get confiscated, intercepted, etc, even with tracking. The vendor can only do so much in some cases with some items.
I know it's an inherent risk when ordering from international vendors. Importing MDMA from a vendor overseas in 100-500g amounts, there is an obvious factor that even with the best stealth, it could get discovered. I would not expect the vendor give me a full refund... that's a shitload of money. This is where tracking/trust comes in. The risk is just inherent and obvious when ordering internationally, and I dont think a lot of people realize this. Interational orders are 99% of the orders that are listed as "did not arrive" etc.
Totally agree with Miss Natural. International orders are a different beast and should have different metrics. Would like to see the international orders split out from domestic. Also different rules and deadlines based on the different nature of international shipping - customs, delays, signature reqts, pickup notice.
Right,
there is no difference a vendor ships USA domestic or -me- from EU to Australia.
I think the EU/Australia success should be weighted more but...not going to happen...because....who cares?
Suppose a shipment from me (EU) to Australia not arriving is the same negative as US/US but mine has a 200% more chance if not more not arriving.