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Title: Re: In Defense of Nomad BloodBath
Post by: Hassan I Sabbah on May 05, 2012, 11:05 am
SO TODAY WE LEARN THAT YET ANOTHER TRUSTED VENDOR BAILS AND BLAMES
TRUSTED SR MONITOR NOMAD BLOODBATH
WITH THEFT??
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??
THAT IS JUST TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE.
WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?
EXCUSE ME FOR BEING UPSET.
 BUT THESE LAST FEW WEEKS HAVE BEEN INSANE.
AND THE RECENT INFLUX OF TROLLS
HASN'T EXACTLY HELPED...
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Title: Re: WELCOME BACK W007!! ALIVE AND WELL!!
Post by: dimbulb on May 05, 2012, 01:30 pm
so let me get this, w007 was busted cause he was using wu to pick up funds from sr according to rumors and now LE knows he is a sr vendor and you want him to come back on here and receive addresses and names for orders. 

yes i would love that!!! i give my name away to rats all the time, what a novel idea you moron!!!!
Title: Re: the Vulnerabilities of Anonmity
Post by: Hassan I Sabbah on May 05, 2012, 06:04 pm
so let me get this, w007 was busted cause he was using wu to pick up funds from sr according to rumors and now LE knows he is a sr vendor and you want him to come back on here and receive addresses and names for orders. 

yes i would love that!!! i give my name away to rats all the time, what a novel idea you moron!!!!
   The above comment is an example not only in the general decline of civility on Silk Road: it is the sign of it's possible demise and it underscores a potential vulnerability that responsible users need to detect,identify, and quaranteen.

Has anyone else noticed that during these last few weeks of increasing scams and suspicions  has been accompanied by a parallel increase in malicious anti-social troll-like activity? These idiots are about as useful and funny as a rubber crutch.

Is it not reasonable to assume that LE might be behind a lot of these new troll user accounts? It doesn't exactly take rocket science for  unwelcome visitors to insert themselves in the community with the intention of undermining it. Any 13 year old could do it.
 
   I  am probably stating the obvious but has anyone else noticed a lot of really strange activities and patterns developing on  SR these last few weeks?.

 I was here when W007,like many other vendors and members of Silk Road were once trusted without question. When I saw a post of his a few hours ago I thought what good news it was: after all he was a highly respected vendor at one time who suddenly 'disappeared' like many other trusted vendors would shortly after him. The rumor was that he had died from a drug overdose. I guess after weeks and weeks of bad news I just desperately wanted to believe that there were still people out there who you could know and trust when in fact i think it is fair to say that you can no longer trust anyone anymore about anything on Silk Road. I didn't question a) how he got arrested b) how he was released and c) despite being arrested for felonies why he would express his interest in dealing hard drugs again. It didn't occur to me that this dude using the familiar handle of W007 could easily be LE!! It reminded me that I need to exercise more caution with regards to accepting virtual identities at face value. The only requirement of membership here is a virtual identity via an anonymous account. We really can't be 100% sure whether or not the vendor we are ordering are drug of choice from is legit or is LE.
This uncertainty leads to a general atmosphere of insecurity.

Trust is the necessary precondition for anarchism to function. Without  trust this utopian market will eventually collapse upon itself.

      At one time we believed we could trust anyone we met here simply by virtue of the fact that they were here. We never asked anyone for identification, trusted that people weren't using multiple accounts to scam or discredit others, we had no screening process. We  thought that we were protected from the intrusions of the dangerous and paranoid world of of drug prohibition behind the safe door provided by Tor and PGP: little did we know that the door had been left wide open.


  I encourage anyone who really believes in this community to go over the all the recent threads and posts of the last few weeks since the 4:20 scam. It makes for a depressing read.The Tony76 incident was the first major red flag: one of the most trusted and reputable vendors absconds with thousands in what was the classic perfectly executed long fraud. One vendor after another falls like dominoes and disappears with the goods and money of the buyers. Tensions are immediately created and exploited between the various users of SR:buyers vs vendors,vendors vs, vendors,buyers vs buyers, users vs admin. It was all so well conceived that it could be a chapter taken right out of a  military pys-ops manual.I believe that this community might be vulnerable to infiltration by LE using various fake user accounts. Their tactic is to cause so much in-fighting, suspicion, resentment and animosity  that it may completely overwhelm any sense of good-will, trust, and common purpose between users which are essential nutrients needed to sustain this anarchist laboratory experiment

  I could see LE possibly attempt to create so much suspicion, confusion with the various fake buyers accounts,seller's accounts,admin accounts,full member, and hundreds of vicious newby troll accounts of individuals who usually have absolutely to nothing to contribute except their own negativity.

And I notice then today another major vendor bales and then accuses Nomad Bloodbath of theft while he absconds with the cash and product of buyers. WTF? Was nobody else disturbed
by that despicable behavior or am I the only one?

The initial purpose of this Forum was to serve as a positive exchange for feedback ,suggestions, and concerns: it has now deteriorated into a  hateful,threatening,paranoid platform where LE could easily conduct an 'Operation Mindfuck'. When the very administration and  moderators who we trust with the responsibility of running  Silk Road and in whom we trust with sensitive information  starts coming under suspicion, accusations, and attack we have a major fucking storm brewing.     
     
    Honestly though, I really love this community and what it stands for and I would really hate to lose it. Sometimes I wonder if the very anonymity which Tor once provided us with and gave us all a sense of invincibility is could be used against us. The whole paranoia of the post 9-11 world  that was once "out there" could easily infect and ignite a raging  epidemic which could threaten the very fibres that keep the SR community together. The anonymity we once thought protected us and gave us shelter could be the trojan malware that LE could use to slip into this community undetected.
   
    We all need to step up and challenge unsubstantiated rumors, accusations, and bull-shit. We need to call out the trolls who seem determined to spread their malicious intentions. I could easily see LE use various troll accounts to create a insufferable toxic environment. I don't want to suggest that all is doom and gloom: I know for a fact that there are still many good upstanding members out there.I just think we need to be a exercise a little more vigilance with regards to any systemic pecularities and vulnerabilities.

 
Title: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: wright on May 05, 2012, 06:43 pm
You can fear monger and call up the end of days all you want, I am only seeing an increase of actual traffic on the main site. I think eventually the people trying to incite hysteria on the forums and bring down the market are going to realize it is not actually affecting anything except maybe slowing down the influx of new buyers for a while.
Title: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: pholscolloid89 on May 05, 2012, 06:48 pm
There's still loads of great vendors who've been here a long while - Ivory, Anarcho, 3dames, Mitanox, SKYY - I am probably missing some.
If anything's really been learnt it's to be cautious with all the new ones who grow far too fast, and get overhyped..
Title: Re: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: Devaney1984 on May 05, 2012, 06:50 pm
so many damn paranoid posts flooding this place in the past week.  leave if you don't like it, I can judge for myself.
Title: Re: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: philter3 on May 05, 2012, 07:33 pm
Hassan,

 Have you considered taking a holiday from the stimulants brother?  Dr. Phil prescribes
 1. Neti nasal lavage twice daily
 2. 1 week of yoga classes
 3. Vegetarian/vegan diet for 1 week
 4. 3 long hot showers per day
 5. 2 visits to a competent masseuse
 6. No stims, aphetamines or meth for 1 week
 7. 3 joints and maybe a benzo per day for 1 week
 8. 10 hours of sleep per night for 1 week.

You will feel much better bro.. :D
Title: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: oppyate on May 05, 2012, 07:56 pm
so let me get this, w007 was busted cause he was using wu to pick up funds from sr according to rumors and now LE knows he is a sr vendor and you want him to come back on here and receive addresses and names for orders. 

yes i would love that!!! i give my name away to rats all the time, what a novel idea you moron!!!!
   The above comment is an example not only in the general decline of civility on Silk Road: it is the sign of it's very demise. Despite being one of the thousands of ill-mannered newbies that have flooded SR in the last week or two
(has anyone else noticed?)with their lame attempts at trolling.. this asshole (Ooops I mean officer)is just another maggot infesting this corpse formerly known as Silk Road... which although not completely dead is undergoing the slow strangulation of rigor mortis  while the few remaining brain cells desperately struggle to survive.

 I really hate to be the bearer of bad news and at this point I honestly don't give a flying fuck about 'bad karma' but we are witnessing the final death throes of Silk Road.

 I was here when W007,like many other vendors and members of Silk Road were once trusted without question. When I saw a post of his a few hours ago I thought what good news it was: after all he was a highly respected vendor at one time who suddenly 'disappeared' like many other trusted vendors would shortly after him. The rumor was that he had died from a drug overdose. I guess after weeks and weeks of bad news I just desperately wanted to believe that there were still people out there who you could know and trust when in fact i think it is fair to say that you can no longer trust anyone anymore about anything on Silk Road. I didn't question a) how he got arrested b) how he was released and c) despite being arrested for felonies why he would express his interest in dealing hard drugs again. It didn't occur to me that this dude using the familiar handle of W007 was LE!!

Since trust was the necessary precondition for this little utopia to succeed. In the absence of trust Silk Road will cease to exist.

      At one time we believed we could trust anyone we met here simply by virtue of the fact that they were here. We never asked anyone for identification, trusted that people weren't using multiple accounts to scam or discredit others, we had no screening process. We  thought that we were protected from the intrusions of the dangerous and paranoid world of of drug prohibition behind the safe door provided by Tor and PGP: little did we know that the door had been left wide open.


    Honestly, and I really fucking hate having to say this, but I  believe that the days of Silk Road are numbered. I encourage anyone who really believes in this community to go over the all the recent threads and posts of the last few weeks since the 4:20 scam. It makes for a depressing read.The Tony76 incident was the beginning of the end and the first major fucking red flag: one of the most trusted and reputable vendors absconds with thousands in what was the classic perfectly executed long fraud. One vendor after another fell like dominoes and disappeared with the goods and money of the buyers. Tensions are immediately created and exploited between the various users of SR:buyers vs vendors,vendors vs, vendors,buyers vs buyers, users vs admin. It was all so well conceived that it could be a chapter taken right out of a  military pys-ops manual.I believe that this community has been totally compromised and infiltrated by LE. They have caused so much in-fighting, suspicion, resentment and animosity  which is like a cancer is eating away at all the goodwill and trust this whole utopian experiment depends upon for it's very existence.

  They have created so much suspicion, confusion with their various buyers accounts,seller's accounts,admin accounts,full member, and hundreds of vicious newby troll accounts of individuals who have nothing to contribute except negativity.

And I notice that today another major vendor bales and then accuses Nomad Bloodbath of HIGH TREASON . WTF??!!!

The initial purpose of this Forum was to serve as a positive exchange for feedback ,suggestions, and concerns: it has now deteriorated into a  hateful,threatening,paranoid platform where LE conducts 'Operation Mindfuck'. When the very administration and  moderators who we trust in the running
 of Silk Road who we trust with all our information  starts coming under suspicion, accusations, and attack we have a major fucking problem. Silk Road has the very same toxic environment that the People's Temple in Jonestown Guyana must of had before over a thousand people drank cyanide laced Kool Aid just to escape the torment of paranoia and misery that their noble utopia descended into.
     
      Honestly, I don't feel safe here in selling,buying, or even communicating with anyone anymore or even participating  in discussions with anyone anymore on this Forum. Silk Road is in it's final death throes.Quite frankly,if I were a dealer or anyone with unspent BTC's I would cash in those chips b/c and begin the process of destroying all traces of drug activity. Clean up all your hard drives, make sure you carefully sweep your premises of any contraband.LE is closing down the house just like they did the Farmer's Market a few days ago.

The very anonymity which Tor once provided us with and gave us all a sense of invincibility is now being used against us. The whole paranoia of the post 9-11 world  that was once "out there" is now a raging  epidemic within the very fibres of the SR community. The trojan horse that LE is using here is the very same anonymity which once defined and protected us.

 If your not already behind bars facing a couple of hundred years for a variety of felonies (international conspiracy to sell narcotics, hiding proceeds of crime, providing material support to terrorism, etc.. etc..)consider yourself lucky.

Anyone who gives their address to anyone in an anonymous transaction over the internet from this point are tempting fate.
There is no harm in remaining on the Forum just to monitor the inevitable decline of a community which meant so much to many of us. However, anyone who cannot see all the signs of a
complete infiltration of the Silk Road community by LE is kidding themselves and tempting fate.

       So if for some reason I am unable to ever log on here again after signing off I'll thank everyone who was cool with me and curse every bastard that poisoned a very noble experiment. I'll conclude this obituary with lyrics from the Grateful Dead which sums up this whole utopian experiment:
               "what a long strange trip it's been"

OPERATION DIVIDE AND CONQUER IS A SUCCESS!!
WE ARE BEING INVADED BY LE TROLLS!!
ANONYMITY OF TOR IS BEING USED AGAINST US!!
USERS ASSUME RISKS AT THEIR OWN PERIL!!

**** SILKROAD: That's All Folks!****

Hassan my friend.
Given the current Riots in the Streets of SR, I can see where you would be Up in Arms. If it is all about SR, then there are a few Points I hadnt considered, but most of what your Stating is Paranoid Delusions that are indeed Scary and pretty much Alarmist.

Until you actually hear the Helicopters out your home, bullhorns telling you to surrender and peripherial visions of SWAT roping down from your roof..your pretty much safe.

Fact 1: SR is an Illegal Site in eyes of many

Fact 2: Dont Buy anything anymore on SR if your losing sleep. If you do BUY, screw FE>

There's a lot going on and as "Users" we tend to Bend our Minds w/too much Product.

I think it's great your sharing concerns, but before Pressing The Nuke Button, yougotta have more real and concrete info bro about assumptions or Mad Ramblings half cocked, fully Stoned, Pissed Off jumping beans trying to communicate in writing.

Title: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: cacoethes on May 05, 2012, 08:44 pm
I'm not any more paranoid or distrustful than I was when I first found this place.  I use the same security procedures I've always used, and have improved upon them when I could, and I never let the drama created by trolls effect my better judgment.

I really don't think the Road is in it's final death throes- it's just going through some growing pains, and the sensible ones among us grow and mature along with it.

Having said this, I've placed a couple orders for my favorite items just today.
Title: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: lilith2u on May 05, 2012, 09:13 pm
Its all about risk vs rewards..but if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. And unfortunately were considered the "Bad Guys" I'm not a bad person? I shouldn't have to go to jail for ingesting substances that hurt or help only myself. The price of adventure is fear! As for me....I'm done giving LE all my rants. I'm sure there just piling up a bunch of info to use against me in court.... To each there own.....Happy Trails............Lilith2u
Title: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: Hassan I Sabbah on May 05, 2012, 09:38 pm
I'm not any more paranoid or distrustful than I was when I first found this place.  I use the same security procedures I've always used, and have improved upon them when I could, and I never let the drama created by trolls effect my better judgment.

I really don't think the Road is in it's final death throes- it's just going through some growing pains, and the sensible ones among us grow and mature along with it.

Having said this, I've placed a couple orders for my favorite items just today.
  Thanks Bro: you've been hear for a while and I really appreciate the wisdom of your experience and maturity in what seems to be an massive influx of trolls who contribute nothing to the community.
    I think what really upset me were the bogus accusations made against the veteran member and moderator Nomad Bloodbath by yet another 'trusted' vendor who accused him of theft as he fucked off out the door with other people's money.
    Secondly, the recent DEA announcement regarding the arrest of dozens of individuals involved with the Farmer's Market really freaked me out. It made me wonder: is Silk Road next? What might be some pattern or indicators of LE activity.
    This community is not just some place where I go to go score drugs: it is the realization of an anarchist ideal which stands for basic human freedoms in the face of an increasingly authoritarian world. People seem for the most part blissfully unaware or uncaring about the freedoms lost since 9-11 under the PATRIOT ACT. I encourage everyone to do their own research into this matter. Without Silk Road here the future would look pretty fucking grim.
    Anyways, just chilling now with a bit of absinthe on ice and a valium a lovely remedy for an amphetamine induced panic attack. My sincere apologies for the drama. Peace.
Title: Re: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: dankology on May 05, 2012, 10:39 pm
Things are looking a bit down lately, and if you can't see this maybe you should take those blinders off your eyes.  Yeah there are still good vendors here, fucking duh, that doesn't mean they are happy with this place right now, also doesn't mean they aren't preparing to use alternative markets.  We've hit a big bump on silk road.  DPR needs to address some things, but I dont think silkroad is dying.  Yet.

The Farmers Market people got busted because they did not use correct security procedures.  They used hushmail without encrypting personal information, hushmail gave all their emails over to LEO.  They also used traceable currency and transfer methods like WU, Paypal, Cash drops, etc.  These are all things that SR does NOT do.
Title: Re: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: Hassan I Sabbah on May 05, 2012, 10:43 pm
Hassan,

 Have you considered taking a holiday from the stimulants brother?  Dr. Phil prescribes
 1. Neti nasal lavage twice daily
 2. 1 week of yoga classes
 3. Vegetarian/vegan diet for 1 week
 4. 3 long hot showers per day
 5. 2 visits to a competent masseuse
 6. No stims, aphetamines or meth for 1 week
 7. 3 joints and maybe a benzo per day for 1 week
 8. 10 hours of sleep per night for 1 week.

You will feel much better bro.. :D
   Thanks for the suggestions dude. I'll try all of the above and but I must insist that the massage is carried out by a drug friendly attractive female and that each session conclude with a 'happy ending'. Never underestimate the miraculous healing powers of those 'happy endings'. :)
Title: Re: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: Hassan I Sabbah on May 05, 2012, 11:07 pm

The Farmers Market people got busted because they did not use correct security procedures.  They used hushmail without encrypting personal information, hushmail gave all their emails over to LEO.  They also used traceable currency and transfer methods like WU, Paypal, Cash drops, etc.  These are all things that SR does NOT do.
Wow... those are pretty spectacular security flaws: using hushmail + Paypal + WU? No wonder they got busted.
Thanks for that man. It makes me feel a lot more secure with the security set-up we have here at SR... despite a lot of strange and sudden disappearances of well established vendors:  Tony76,Team Noriega, several others, and the vendor who fucked off today (the details of which I still haven't figured out) but not without accusing Nomad Bloodbath of theft. I thought that was an extremely shitty thing to do to such a well-respected figure in the SR community.BTW: Has anyone heard from N.B.B. with regards to these allegations? Anyone?
Title: Re: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: cacoethes on May 05, 2012, 11:09 pm
Things are looking a bit down lately, and if you can't see this maybe you should take those blinders off your eyes.  Yeah there are still good vendors here, fucking duh, that doesn't mean they are happy with this place right now, also doesn't mean they aren't preparing to use alternative markets.  We've hit a big bump on silk road.  DPR needs to address some things, but I dont think silkroad is dying.  Yet.

The Farmers Market people got busted because they did not use correct security procedures.  They used hushmail without encrypting personal information, hushmail gave all their emails over to LEO.  They also used traceable currency and transfer methods like WU, Paypal, Cash drops, etc.  These are all things that SR does NOT do.

I don't feel like I have any blinders on, or even know if that comment was directed at me, but I would like some specific examples of why you, as a vendor, are unhappy with Silk Road.  Something besides the thread started by USD?

As a buyer, I'm conducting business as usual, and dealing with the typical obstacles that go up around here:  Vendors imploding in "real life", going rogue, or turning scammer extraordinaire.  And, of course, the minions of trolls who sign up because buyer accounts are free. I've had many, many transactions, and only a couple bad ones...  which I take responsibility for.

I too wish DRP would at times come to the forums with an update, a little more often than he does, but I don't really know what I'd like him to say.  Something reassuring and comforting?  To announce a sweeping policy change?  SR is the man's business, and from all the evidence I've seen, he takes it seriously
Title: Re: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: Devaney1984 on May 05, 2012, 11:57 pm

The Farmers Market people got busted because they did not use correct security procedures.  They used hushmail without encrypting personal information, hushmail gave all their emails over to LEO.  They also used traceable currency and transfer methods like WU, Paypal, Cash drops, etc.  These are all things that SR does NOT do.
Wow... those are pretty spectacular security flaws: using hushmail + Paypal + WU? No wonder they got busted.
Thanks for that man. It makes me feel a lot more secure with the security set-up we have here at SR... despite a lot of strange and sudden disappearances of well established vendors:  Tony76,Team Noriega, several others, and the vendor who fucked off today (the details of which I still haven't figured out) but not without accusing Nomad Bloodbath of theft. I thought that was an extremely shitty thing to do to such a well-respected figure in the SR community.BTW: Has anyone heard from N.B.B. with regards to these allegations? Anyone?

yeah, NBB made a post in that thread this morning:

This is obviously an attempt to defame my character and Silk Road as a whole.
Let's see it's been what 15 days or so since the 420 sale...how many ppl received their orders?
Was this a scam that was overshadowed by Tony's Scam and so this scam was taken to a higher level by defaming silk road and one of the most respected volunteer moderators.
IS King Joey still around playing puppet master?

Anyway "hacked by a MOD" lulz, I couldnt hack a xbox 360 with instructions.
This is crazy and insulting after all the time into this forum trying to stop and destroy scammers.
I'd like to add that I was never contacted via PM or any other method of communication, this is very suspicious to me.

First of all is US got his account hacked that's really bad in 2 ways, first the fact that a vendor doesnt security enough to even hold on to their on btcs? Second that vendor has names, addresses and other info on members take could have also been hacked.

USD how many BTC's is it that i supposedly hacked from your account?
Also why would I have chose you if I was hacker capable?
Something doesn't add up here.

I don't work the weekends on the forums but I've made a special exception this weekend because my character has been defamed.

There are many questions in this post, everyone please think about them.
I've been at a charity event all morning or I would have replied as soon as I woke up.
I'll also be going back to this event in an hour for another 6 hours.
I'll let this be a time period that everyone getting their stories straight and to calculate exact when and if funds were stolen.

See you guys this evening.

:)
nomad bloodbath
Title: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: Horizons on May 06, 2012, 12:26 am
I'm just posting here to ask what every one of us is wondering: What the flying fuck is going on here?
Sadly my question will probably go unanswered.
Title: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: ProudCannabian on May 06, 2012, 01:04 am
There's a few folks trying to stir shit, that's what's going on...
CHEER UP YOU FUCKING SAD SACKS!  If we hadn't chased Moonbear away maybe there'd be some lighthearted shit to laugh at here.
I've been here for a while.  Yes, the scammers and LE have upped their game.
Of course they're going to try it the easier way, psychological warfare.  It's the easiest game in the book, and a heck of a lot cheaper and less time consuming than directly hacking TOR and SR.

All this negativity and boatload of accusations the past week has done nothing but serve their purposes, destabilizing the road to the point where many are feeling like this thing is imploding.  That feeling, THAT is the only thing that will cause this sucker to implode.  Grow a pair folks, and stop freaking like children.

The scammers, scammed and LE are the MOST vocal folks here right now.  There are MANY more folks using SR who've received their orders, and are continuing to order than there are scammed and permanently disheartened.  Few people even take the time to come to the forums, their loss of course, and those that do praise maybe their vendor, but not DPR or the road itself.

The volume of negativity, unlike positivity, goes to 11.

As others have said, TFM went down easily.  They weren't using encryption, TOR or bitcoins.  They did switch to TOR eventually, but by then it was too late.  You are only as protected as the measures you take to protect yourself, so DO IT.

Nomad and DPR are trustworthy.  Nomad said himself in the thread mentioned above, if he was such a l337 haxor why just choose USDIRECT?  It's not like USD has the highest sales here.  It's not like USD hasn't been vocal on the forums about being hacked before.  If he had access, and a hacked pin (or backdoor) why wouldn't he just skim little bits off of everyone, or alternatively clear them out?  If it was DPR, why wouldn't he have just emptied/frozen everyone's accounts today when USD announced the hack?  Don't kid yourselves, there are a LOT of coins here in wallets and escrow.

Methinks LE-owned hackers are here, for sure.  They will try to hack, social engineer and fuck with you and your businesses if you let them.  It's an obvious tactic to point the coins at SR, and LE doesn't care about the coins so it would be hilarious to them.  Officers don't get a commission on busts, it all goes into evidence and can only be used after the case is over to further their efforts as an organization.

CHILL, watch your ass, as you should always have been doing, and take some drugs.
Title: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: Antonio76 on May 06, 2012, 01:06 am
you have to think for yourself... Do you want to be the first sucker up agaisnt the wall when the Revolution comes?
Title: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: wright on May 06, 2012, 01:45 am
you have to think for yourself... Do you want to be the first sucker up agaisnt the wall when the Revolution comes?

I do not understand why the people behind this poster and all of the other hysteria spreading clones are spending so much time trying to incite fear around here. With all of the obvious and blatant attempts to bring down the market with these hollow threats of LE miraculously finding you through your proxied, Tor connection, no one believes them. If anything these only serve to increase traffic here.

I have to say, I was first compelled to buy a vendor's account here when people began doing analytics on the SR forum traffic and trying to extrapolate that to the amount of actual purchases on the main site, which is incredibly hard to determine as much of the sales are done in stealth. The data showed that the forum growth has been exponential in the last six months which would mean that the market volume was also steadily increasing. The amount of traffic these clones are drawing is certainly going to continue that growth and make the market seem more lucrative for potential vendors.

The most effective way for LE to use their time in disabling the market would be to try and cover it up as much as possible instead of drawing more attention to it. One of the biggest advertisements for the market has got to be senators Schumer and Manchin actually calling out Silk Road by name and condemning it. They would have been a lot more effective had they just named some anonymous online drug market.
Title: Re: In Defense of Nomad BloodBath
Post by: MrBigScam on May 06, 2012, 01:55 am
your conclusions are false
Title: Re: In Defense of Nomad BloodBath
Post by: Antonio76 on May 06, 2012, 02:09 am
Snafu snafu zazoo
Title: Re: In Defense of Nomad BloodBath
Post by: toker420 on May 06, 2012, 02:15 am
Nomad isn't a scammer.  I had never ever dealt (or talked) with him before the customer appreciation sale when he was selling BTC.  He could of EASILY got me for $1k, but didn't because he's not a scammer.
Title: Re: In Defense of Nomad BloodBath
Post by: system7 on May 06, 2012, 02:18 am
so were the coins returned to USD?
Title: Re: In Defense of Nomad BloodBath
Post by: toker420 on May 06, 2012, 02:24 am
so were the coins returned to USD?

Some people just don't fucking get it do they????
Title: Re: In Defense of Nomad BloodBath
Post by: system7 on May 06, 2012, 02:26 am
sorry i'm having a very hard time believing anything that's posted on these forums lately   :'(
Title: Re: In Defense of Nomad BloodBath
Post by: DwarfSeeker on May 06, 2012, 02:57 am
so were the coins returned to USD?

Some people just don't fucking get it do they????

if someone stole from USD (likely), it was very unlikely NBB.. but if they framed NBB by depositing several hundred BTC (likely).

shouldnt that money not get spread back to USD or atleast to some of his customers? if not, please explain why...

if someone stole a car, gave it to you, and then the guy that owned it came and asked for it back, its yours now because your a well established guy?
Title: Re: Re: In Defense of Nomad BloodBath
Post by: dankology on May 06, 2012, 04:06 am
Regardless WHO took the fucking coins....it has been PROVEN hundreds of btc were recently deposited when there had been no prior deposits since april 1st.  Those coins need to be refunded to the proper people and NOT used for ANYTHING ELSE.  There are watchful eyes on that address, so do the right thing.
Title: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: toelessJoe on May 06, 2012, 09:49 am
There's a few folks trying to stir shit, that's what's going on...
CHEER UP YOU FUCKING SAD SACKS!  If we hadn't chased Moonbear away maybe there'd be some lighthearted shit to laugh at here.
I've been here for a while.  Yes, the scammers and LE have upped their game.
Of course they're going to try it the easier way, psychological warfare.  It's the easiest game in the book, and a heck of a lot cheaper and less time consuming than directly hacking TOR and SR.

All this negativity and boatload of accusations the past week has done nothing but serve their purposes, destabilizing the road to the point where many are feeling like this thing is imploding.  That feeling, THAT is the only thing that will cause this sucker to implode.  Grow a pair folks, and stop freaking like children.

The scammers, scammed and LE are the MOST vocal folks here right now.  There are MANY more folks using SR who've received their orders, and are continuing to order than there are scammed and permanently disheartened.  Few people even take the time to come to the forums, their loss of course, and those that do praise maybe their vendor, but not DPR or the road itself.

The volume of negativity, unlike positivity, goes to 11.

As others have said, TFM went down easily.  They weren't using encryption, TOR or bitcoins.  They did switch to TOR eventually, but by then it was too late.  You are only as protected as the measures you take to protect yourself, so DO IT.

Nomad and DPR are trustworthy.  Nomad said himself in the thread mentioned above, if he was such a l337 haxor why just choose USDIRECT?  It's not like USD has the highest sales here.  It's not like USD hasn't been vocal on the forums about being hacked before.  If he had access, and a hacked pin (or backdoor) why wouldn't he just skim little bits off of everyone, or alternatively clear them out?  If it was DPR, why wouldn't he have just emptied/frozen everyone's accounts today when USD announced the hack?  Don't kid yourselves, there are a LOT of coins here in wallets and escrow.

Methinks LE-owned hackers are here, for sure.  They will try to hack, social engineer and fuck with you and your businesses if you let them.  It's an obvious tactic to point the coins at SR, and LE doesn't care about the coins so it would be hilarious to them.  Officers don't get a commission on busts, it all goes into evidence and can only be used after the case is over to further their efforts as an organization.

CHILL, watch your ass, as you should always have been doing, and take some drugs.

great post and loved the bit about Moonbear.

but Hassan, although I did not read your original post, before you modified it, I have to say that I agree with just about everything you've written.

divide and concur - used thought the centuries, read some History and you soon realize it.

troll, LEO, psy-ops, sock puppets, the CIA was tweeting messages that appeared to be from Egypt, and other Countries to incite revolutions - or at least help them along - social media has been a blessing for LEO, for example: to get everyone to gather at a certain local and protest, ect - look it up - I'm not a tin-foil hat kinda guy.

yeas, there are those among who are not to be trusted and are pretty clearly either troll and/or LEO

Hassan, the posts I just read from you seemed right on -again, I did not read the original.

I am taking a break from SR as I will be traveling, but will still have access to the Forums to check-in and see how things progress around here for the next few weeks/months. Hope to come back to SR when things are calmer and more stable, if that's possible...

Cheers.
Title: Re: In Defense of Nomad BloodBath
Post by: rake on May 06, 2012, 12:52 pm
I was under the impression that when you withdraw from SR, the sender address is simply one of the coin tumblers addresses.  So if BTCs were sent to Nomad, you can only tell that they came from SR and not the actual SR user.  If you could then it would be possible to track vendors moving money around.

And just as I thought you cannot track the exact source of the transaction.  Anyways I was going to suggest a screen dump as proof about the changes to USDirect's auto-withdrawal settings but that wouldn't be hard to dodgy up either.

One thing I have yet to see is a list of withdrawals from the USDirect's account page.  Then the amounts could be at least match to the amounts through the block explorer.  Watching BTCs going to and from Nomad's address doesn't prove much until the transactions can be matched to the SR accounts.
Title: Re: DIVIDE AND CONQUER: PYS-OPS STRATEGY OF LE
Post by: uniwiz on May 06, 2012, 01:24 pm
There's a few folks trying to stir shit, that's what's going on...
CHEER UP YOU FUCKING SAD SACKS!  If we hadn't chased Moonbear away maybe there'd be some lighthearted shit to laugh at here.
I've been here for a while.  Yes, the scammers and LE have upped their game.
Of course they're going to try it the easier way, psychological warfare.  It's the easiest game in the book, and a heck of a lot cheaper and less time consuming than directly hacking TOR and SR.

All this negativity and boatload of accusations the past week has done nothing but serve their purposes, destabilizing the road to the point where many are feeling like this thing is imploding.  That feeling, THAT is the only thing that will cause this sucker to implode.  Grow a pair folks, and stop freaking like children.

The scammers, scammed and LE are the MOST vocal folks here right now.  There are MANY more folks using SR who've received their orders, and are continuing to order than there are scammed and permanently disheartened.  Few people even take the time to come to the forums, their loss of course, and those that do praise maybe their vendor, but not DPR or the road itself.

The volume of negativity, unlike positivity, goes to 11.

As others have said, TFM went down easily.  They weren't using encryption, TOR or bitcoins.  They did switch to TOR eventually, but by then it was too late.  You are only as protected as the measures you take to protect yourself, so DO IT.

Nomad and DPR are trustworthy.  Nomad said himself in the thread mentioned above, if he was such a l337 haxor why just choose USDIRECT?  It's not like USD has the highest sales here.  It's not like USD hasn't been vocal on the forums about being hacked before.  If he had access, and a hacked pin (or backdoor) why wouldn't he just skim little bits off of everyone, or alternatively clear them out?  If it was DPR, why wouldn't he have just emptied/frozen everyone's accounts today when USD announced the hack?  Don't kid yourselves, there are a LOT of coins here in wallets and escrow.

Methinks LE-owned hackers are here, for sure.  They will try to hack, social engineer and fuck with you and your businesses if you let them.  It's an obvious tactic to point the coins at SR, and LE doesn't care about the coins so it would be hilarious to them.  Officers don't get a commission on busts, it all goes into evidence and can only be used after the case is over to further their efforts as an organization.

CHILL, watch your ass, as you should always have been doing, and take some drugs.

great post and loved the bit about Moonbear.

but Hassan, although I did not read your original post, before you modified it, I have to say that I agree with just about everything you've written.

divide and concur - used thought the centuries, read some History and you soon realize it.

troll, LEO, psy-ops, sock puppets, the CIA was tweeting messages that appeared to be from Egypt, and other Countries to incite revolutions - or at least help them along - social media has been a blessing for LEO, for example: to get everyone to gather at a certain local and protest, ect - look it up - I'm not a tin-foil hat kinda guy.

yeas, there are those among who are not to be trusted and are pretty clearly either troll and/or LEO

Hassan, the posts I just read from you seemed right on -again, I did not read the original.

I am taking a break from SR as I will be traveling, but will still have access to the Forums to check-in and see how things progress around here for the next few weeks/months. Hope to come back to SR when things are calmer and more stable, if that's possible...

Cheers.

I choose to ignore this bullshit.
We have a few bad cannabis vendors luckily most have been ID.
I was able to catch TheUsualSuspect starting a scam, and stopped him.
It was pure luck, and using my head. Only a few got taken.
The Tony thing was a total setup with no one of importance realizing the "setup"
Fool me once.... Paythepiper, never again.....

As far as NBB, I stand behind him. %110
If he wanted to steal he certainly won't use his address ;) dummies ::)
He create another user, or vendor account, and transfer from there.
Title: Re: In Defense of Nomad BloodBath
Post by: uniwiz on May 06, 2012, 06:21 pm
Can we all just get along?
Take your tin foil hat off for a moment and listen.

Use your head. If I was going to steal from you on an anonymous site wouldn't it be just as easy to be anonymous?
I don't buy the "I am stupid defense. I can't hack an Xbox"
I can.
So my defense as NBB public defender is......

"I am not that fucking stupid"
"I buy/sell things anonymously for a living, give me a break" "Moving your BTC without a trace should be easy"
"I hacked your mother's iphone, fat bitch"
"Got some naked pictures of your sister" (over 18)
"I was high at the time" ;D

Defense rests it's case.


Tin Foil hats back on.
Title: Re: Re: In Defense of Nomad BloodBath
Post by: jackstraw on May 07, 2012, 03:29 am
Uni you always crack me up and it's usually advice or observations that are right on the mark.   I haven't been on SR as much of late either and I tried to understand the shitstorm that has erupted on the forums.....that USD thread was too hard to read and I have a short attention span and gave up.   I will say that Nomad is one of the coolest dudes on SR imo.   He's ALWAYS been helpful since this place started.   He aint a scammer and you are truly misinformed if you think he is.