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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: High Friend on March 23, 2012, 02:47 pm
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OK, so I'm wondering what you all consider "hard" drugs? Please vote for every drug you think is "hard".
Here are mine and my rationals:
HARD:
Heroin: Physically addictive. Ruin lives. Many have died.
Meth: Physically addictive. Ruins lives.
Crack: Physically addictive. Ruins lives.
SOFT:
Coke: Mildly addictive. Pretty hard to OD.
LSD: Not physically addictive. Some have died but it's rare.
Shrooms: Not physically addictive.
RCs: Not physically addictive except for maybe a few RCs. Kind of a broad category but in general I would say soft.
Prescription Opioids: OK in moderation but can be addictive. This one is tricky.
Opium: OK in moderation but can be addictive. Another tricky one.
MDMA: Not physically addictive.
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out of the thing's i've tried i would say heroin and washed cocaine are hard drugs - very easy to OD on washed cocaine, i took a little bit too much once and it felt like my heart was going to fail.
heroin - if a matchhead size bump can pull my pants down and finger rape my bum, then this is also very easy to OD on
not tried crack or meth so i can't say whether i believe they're 'hard drugs' or not.
E, MDMA, LSD, 2C-B, shrooms - while all these fuck me up i don't think they should be considered hard as i have taken copious amounts of all of them and never once thought i was going to die.
just my opinions...
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very easy to OD on washed cocaine, i took a little bit too much once and it felt like my heart was going to fail.
I'm sure you're right. I've just known so many people that did it recreationally without an issue. Then again, they're just doing whatever rolls into town and I'm sure it's not washed. If someone gave them the washed stuff they'd probably die. I think that happens with heroin a lot.
That brings up another point. Some RCs are extremely potent and can kill you from taking just a few MGs too much. With that being said, I think in general the people buying them are more likely to know what they're doing so they're more likely to exercise caution.
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I've just known so many people that did it recreationally without an issue. Then again, they're just doing whatever rolls into town and I'm sure it's not washed.
yeah street stuff is usually rubbish, a mate that gets it from 'Dave', the RL dealer, usually buys 2gs, as soon as he's bought it he does a whole gram in one fat line, then uses the other g to top up the buzz - he would die with this washed stuff without a doubt
not too sure on RC's, TBH i'm quite happy with the "established" drugs, the major names - coke, H, E, LSD. all of these letters about 2C-X, NBOM-whatever doesn't really float my boat, so i'm not really that up for trying them. i probably would, but only if it was someone elses
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Hard drugs in my eyes are crack, brown, benzos (when not prescribed) and alcohol.
Crack being the worst then benzos, brown and alcohol. This is mainly in terms of addiction potential and withdrawals. We don't really get meth in England so I duno how bad that is.
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Hard drugs in my eyes are crack, brown, benzos (when not prescribed) and alcohol.
Crack being the worst then benzos, brown and alcohol. This is mainly in terms of addiction potential and withdrawals.
Good point; I added alcohol to the poll. I don't consider alcohol hard because of the percentage of users addicted. It's somewhere in the 5 to 10 percent range which, in my opinion, is outside the "hard" range. Although it's hard to get statistics on illegal drugs, I'd imagine at least 80% of H users are addicted and probably about the same with Meth. I don't know much about benzos but I added an "Other Prescription Drugs" category to the poll.
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Good point; I added alcohol to the poll. I don't consider alcohol hard because of the percentage of users addicted. It's somewhere in the 5 to 10 percent range which, in my opinion, is outside the "hard" range. Although it's hard to get statistics on illegal drugs, I'd imagine at least 80% of H users are addicted and probably about the same with Meth. I don't know much about benzos but I added an "Other Prescription Drugs" category to the poll.
I've heard a large percentage of the elderly are also addicted to benzos. Dr's put them on them with no real aspiration to take them off. Once their tolerance goes up the withdrawals are just evil.
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I always figured the distinction between hard and soft drugs was whether or not they were physically addicting. Of course nearly all drugs are safe with the appropriate moderation, but a regular opiate user (whether it's heroin, fentanyl, morphine, oxycontin, opium, etc.), coke/crack user (BTW it's absurd to consider the same chemical hard when it's a solid and soft when it's a powder), benzo, etc. all experience very real pain and discomfort apart from wanting to do the drug because it's fun.
Marijuana, Mushrooms, Alcohol and Caffeine do have withdrawal to a certain extent, but it's nothing like opiates or coke.
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Can't afford to be addicted to coke lol and i find the addiction with coke to be more of a fiending rather than getting ill. More of a mental thing. Never smoked crack so I don't know If it's physically addictive.
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Can't afford to be addicted to coke lol and i find the addiction with coke to be more of a fiending rather than getting ill. More of a mental thing. Never smoked crack so I don't know If it's physically addictive.
Came to Brazil and discover by yourself.
Or just type crackland - sao paulo in Google.
It's becoming an epidemic here. I'm afraid if someday I'll wake up and living in a "28 days later" world.
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LSD: Not physically addictive. Some have died but it's rare.
Water and oxygen may kill you too. This doesn't mean anything.
Is there some checked case that someone really die just taking LSD for fun? I'm talking about sugar cubes, microdots, droplets or blotters. It's hard to believe someone will die accidentally taking LSD for fun because everybody knows it is very cheap and you don't need to take a lot. You will spend a lot of money to die with LSD.
For me, the only way to die with LSD is if the person is carrying grams of pure crystal in his stomach and the packing open in his belly.
But this case is like drown in water. Nobody drowns just drinking it.
A good image for the thread:
http://www.rave.ca/en/image/full/283009/
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LSD: Not physically addictive. Some have died but it's rare.
Water and oxygen may kill you too. This doesn't mean anything.
Is there some checked case that someone really die just taking LSD for fun? I'm talking about sugar cubes, microdots, droplets or blotters. It's hard to believe someone will die accidentally taking LSD for fun because everybody knows it is very cheap and you don't need to take a lot. You will spend a lot of money to die with LSD.
For me, the only way to die with LSD is if the person is carrying grams of pure crystal in his stomach and the packing open in his belly.
But this case is like drown in water. Nobody drowns just drinking it.
A good image for the thread:
http://www.rave.ca/en/image/full/283009/
You can die doing anything, take LSD get convinced that you need to jump off a building, or run into traffic... Likely? No. Alcohol has a much higher chance of you thinking jumping off something or running into the middle of a street is a good idea.
P.S. water intoxication can kill you.
Your graph looks really out of whack as well, what phsyical harm does LSD cause? Or GHB (which is perscribed quite a lot btw)? And LSD has a dependance of 1 while alcohol has 2? wtf..
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3iEapsJ7LeQ/TD4KviQlCWI/AAAAAAAAASI/2HF-l5J0f6E/s1600/Drug_danger_and_dependence.png
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Alcohol.
Terrible, terrible drug.
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yeah i agree with you, except i would add oxy/opana is addictive and ruins life, same as heroin but still in a different category, at least around here its a common addiction and people act a fool just to get some pills.
lately black tar heroin has taken over cause its so much cheaper. i dont really think thats a good thing lol
nice poll im curious to see what the rest of SR thinks
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LSD: Not physically addictive. Some have died but it's rare.
For me, the only way to die with LSD is if the person is carrying grams of pure crystal in his stomach and the packing open in his belly.
A good image for the thread:
http://www.rave.ca/en/image/full/283009/
I should have been more clear; I didn't mean by overdose. I was more considering the idiots who take way too much, freak out, and jump out a window. I do like your graph.
(BTW it's absurd to consider the same chemical hard when it's a solid and soft when it's a powder)
I respectfully disagree. I've never done crack but I hear the high is completely different. Compare this experience to coke and tell me if it's the same thing:
"Crack: I belive crack to be an insiduous drug. If evil could have a physical form, crack would be it. The bliss when you suck in a good hit and hold it in is indescribable -- bliss, joy, euphoria, cool numb ecstasy sweeping through your body; it begins in your lungs and radiates outwards, filling you fully with an absolution, a swooning poisoned sweetness, uncomplicatedand delicious.
The high lasts about 5 minutes. If that. It's the best feeling you ever felt, followed immediately by the worst you've every felt -- it's impossible to describe a comedown from crack. Suddenly the world is void, empty, hopeless, depressing and gray beyond words; everyone annoys you, you hate yourself and everything, and after you've smoked all your stash, you begin to ghostbust -- see pebbles, pieces of lint, that you think is crack. It never is.
I've spent hours of my life holding crackpipes up to lamps to see if there is any residue left to smoke. I sold most of my movies for crack -- everytime I go to look for a good movie I see they're all gone, and I say 'What the hell!' then I remember I sold them all that month I was into crack . . .
I've spent evenings alone with my crackpipe in supermarket parking lots; I've smoked so much my face and hands and feet have gone numb and my body shaked uncontrollably and my heart was deafening in my ears."
That's from erowid and there are plenty more just like it.
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So the point of this poll and thread is for education sake? Just for cautionary discussion? I hope it doesn't have a negative consequence of trying to 'talk down' to the buyers and vendors of 'hard' drugs on Silk Road. "To each their own", is a saying I try to live by.
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I definitely place Alcohol and some more obscure and less researched RCs in the "hard drug" category. But for other drugs, I also factor in method of administration. Injecting any sort of drug instantly makes it tiptoe a very fine line over it being a "hard drug" in my book. Injection definitely amplifies many qualities I feel make a drug a "hard drug". For example, smoking heroin and meth are both activities I've, at some point, participated in with virtually no trouble with addiction, overdose potential, or self-harm. However, in my experience most, if not all, users who inject heroin or meth seriously risk both addiction and overdose.
Another way to look at it: do you feel yourself wince when you tell other drug users the drugs you do?
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LSD: Not physically addictive. Some have died but it's rare.
For me, the only way to die with LSD is if the person is carrying grams of pure crystal in his stomach and the packing open in his belly.
A good image for the thread:
http://www.rave.ca/en/image/full/283009/
I should have been more clear; I didn't mean by overdose. I was more considering the idiots who take way too much, freak out, and jump out a window. I do like your graph.
(BTW it's absurd to consider the same chemical hard when it's a solid and soft when it's a powder)
I respectfully disagree. I've never done crack but I hear the high is completely different. Compare this experience to coke and tell me if it's the same thing:
"Crack: I belive crack to be an insiduous drug. If evil could have a physical form, crack would be it. The bliss when you suck in a good hit and hold it in is indescribable -- bliss, joy, euphoria, cool numb ecstasy sweeping through your body; it begins in your lungs and radiates outwards, filling you fully with an absolution, a swooning poisoned sweetness, uncomplicatedand delicious.
The high lasts about 5 minutes. If that. It's the best feeling you ever felt, followed immediately by the worst you've every felt -- it's impossible to describe a comedown from crack. Suddenly the world is void, empty, hopeless, depressing and gray beyond words; everyone annoys you, you hate yourself and everything, and after you've smoked all your stash, you begin to ghostbust -- see pebbles, pieces of lint, that you think is crack. It never is.
I've spent hours of my life holding crackpipes up to lamps to see if there is any residue left to smoke. I sold most of my movies for crack -- everytime I go to look for a good movie I see they're all gone, and I say 'What the hell!' then I remember I sold them all that month I was into crack . . .
I've spent evenings alone with my crackpipe in supermarket parking lots; I've smoked so much my face and hands and feet have gone numb and my body shaked uncontrollably and my heart was deafening in my ears."
That's from erowid and there are plenty more just like it.
There is a difference in onset, duration, etc. But that's like saying injected heroin is a hard drug, but smoked heroin is a soft drug. Or pot's only a soft drug when you put it in brownies.
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I checkmarked heroin and crack. 2 years ago I would have said meth, too, but after using it everyday for as long as I have, it doesn't scare me anymore. I have a job, I am able to function, I make enough money to support my habit and still live very comfortably.
What does "hard" really mean though?
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I checkmarked heroin and crack. 2 years ago I would have said meth, too, but after using it everyday for as long as I have, it doesn't scare me anymore. I have a job, I am able to function, I make enough money to support my habit and still live very comfortably.
What does "hard" really mean though?
According to OP "hard' means physically addictive and ruins lives. "Soft" means some addictions, but not necessarily life ruining.
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By that definition, meth isn't hard at all.. It's not physically addictive and not everyone that uses it has their life ruined.. Usually it's the user's stupidity that ruins their life, if anything..
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By that definition, meth isn't hard at all.. It's not physically addictive and not everyone that uses it has their life ruined.. Usually it's the user's stupidity that ruins their life, if anything..
true dat. Faces of meth people are addicts that are WAY far gone.
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Just out of curiosity have you guys hear of the study funded by Centre for Crime and Justice Studies (UK) written Prof David J Nutt that found out of 20 drugs chosen that Alcohol is the most the most harmful.
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2810%2961462-6/fulltext#article_upsell
https://profdavidnutt.wordpress.com/2010/12/09/drug-harms-paper-a-summary/
I do drink every so often, but I do consider it a hard drug. As far as "hard" drugs go, everything is ok in moderation.
nice graph on page below
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11660210
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/49735000/gif/_49735645_drugs_comparisons_464gr.gif
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Alcohol can be a hard drug, if abused, but I don't generally tend to see it that way, if say, someone is having a few beers or glasses of wine. I know it can really fuck people up, though. The drugs that mainly concern me, and from which I stray, are meth, heroin, opiates in general, crack, and cocaine.
I will NEVER do meth, heroin, or opiates.
I really want to stay away from coke, but could see myself trying it sometime if it were offered to me.
In general, I prefer to stick with cannabis, MXE, K, shrooms, MDMA, and the occasional alcoholic beverage.
Still looking into the 2C's, DMT, and LSD, however.
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You can die doing anything, take LSD get convinced that you need to jump off a building, or run into traffic... Likely?
No. Alcohol has a much higher chance of you thinking jumping off something or running into the middle of a street is a good idea.
Yeah, this could happen, but how many cases we know? People can jump off a building or run into traffic totally abstinent. Maybe with alcohol there is a high number of run into traffic, but this is not true for LSD.
Your graph looks really out of whack as well, what phsyical harm does LSD cause? Or GHB (which is perscribed quite a lot btw)? And LSD has a dependance of 1 while alcohol has 2? wtf..
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3iEapsJ7LeQ/TD4KviQlCWI/AAAAAAAAASI/2HF-l5J0f6E/s1600/Drug_danger_and_dependence.png
I don't know the source or the methodology, so I will not advocate for the image. I just found it interesting.
And I agree with you. What is the physical harm does LSD cause?
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The biggest drug dealer in Rocinha (the biggest Favela of Rio de Janeiro, problably biggest in south america) about crack and cocaine:
Drogas “Não uso droga, só bebo com os amigos. Acho que em menos de 20 anos a maconha vai ser liberada no Brasil. Nos Estados Unidos, está quase. Já pensou quanto as empresas iam lucrar? Iam engolir o tráfico. Não negocio crack e proíbo trazer crack para a Rocinha. Porque isso destrói as pessoas, as famílias e a comunidade inteira. Conheço gente que usa cocaína há 30 anos e que funciona. Mas com o crack as pessoas assaltam e roubam tudo na frente.”
http://revistaepoca.globo.com/tempo/noticia/2011/11/meu-encontro-com-nem.html (Epoca Magazine from Globo)
Drugs: "I don't use drugs, I just drink with friends. I think in less than 20 years, weed will be legalized in Brazil. In USA, it is almost there. Have you ever thought how many companies will get profits? They would beat the traffic.
Now, the important part:
I do not deal with crack and I forbidden to bring crack to Rocinha. Because this tears the people, the families all the community. I know people who used cocaine for 30 years and they work. But with crack, people stole and assault everything in sight.
You can use google translator.
I never used cocaine or crack, and I'm not saying cocaine is a soft drug. Maybe in Europe you have less social problems as consequence of cocaine because just rich people can buy it. Besides that, crack is only a residue of cocaine traffic, and a lot of cocaine you see is just crackaine.
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Hard drugs to me are ones on my "Do not try" list. I don't mind others trying/doing it around me, I just know myself and know I would abuse it. I checked heroin, meth, crack, opium, oxy.
I'll stick to my hash ;D