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Title: 2-cb solubility
Post by: yovvit on March 18, 2012, 06:29 pm
I'm getting 125mg of 2-cb next weekend and sharing it with 4 others (it's tan coloured so I assume it's the HBr variant rather than HCl, can anyone confirm this?), and since none of us want to snort it we're gonna dissolve it and drink it.
Would 125mg dissolve fine in 100ml of water? and then we could just each drink 20ml for a 25mg dose right? Would it be better to use 100ml vodka?
Any advice is both helpful and greatly appreciated.
Thanks it advance,
yovvit.
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on March 18, 2012, 06:43 pm
I've had both salts and they were white.
I tried dissolving HCl salt in much water but it didn't make it.
Can't tell anything more, sorry.
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: yovvit on March 18, 2012, 08:20 pm
@Guybrush do you think it would dissolve better in alcohol?

@poolsclosed I'm reluctant to as I don't want to eyeball it and I don't have a scale, liquid would be more accurate
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: yovvit on March 18, 2012, 09:05 pm
well thanks for the feedback anyway :) I'll see when it comes to it
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: foxymeow on March 19, 2012, 04:01 am
Microwave it for a couple seconds.

Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: Appa on March 19, 2012, 10:15 am
2c-b is certainly soluble in distilled water, but it seems to be one of the least willing of the 2c-x's.  The HBr is easy enough, but the HCl is soluble as well.  If it is indeed the HBr, you could achieve a pretty high ratio, possibly one of 8 mg:1 mL (though that's getting into awkward dosing territory).  The following quotes taken from this thread (clearnet): bluelight.ru/vb/threads/399330-2C-B-Subthread-2C-B-Storage-and-Solubility

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I've found 2C-B (HCl I think) to be less readily soluble in water than the other 2Cs, but still quite soluble. It takes a minute of stirring to get it all dissolved, and not quite as much can fit in to a mL. But nevertheless, for all practical purposes, it's plenty soluble.

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I tried to put 2c-b into solution this evening 15mg/5ml, i had to heat the solution quite a bit to get it all to dissolve though. I used a microwave *shock horror*

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2C-B hcl takes a while to get into solution. Just yesterday, I tried to disolve in into OJ. After 5 minutes of shaking, I still saw flecks of 2C-B floating around and I just ended up swallowing it.

2c-b is alcohol soluble.
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And this bit, which is quoted in the above thread, but is originally from erowid:
Quote from: erowid.org
For this example, lets say that we have a material for which +/- 1mg is no big deal (something like 2CB), so perhaps our target accuracy is 2mg. We Rule of 10 Thumbs this to get 10 drops per 2mg, or 5drops per milligram. That would allow me to put ~68 mg of material in the 20ml bottle ( ( 17 drops per ml / 5 drops per milligram ) * 20ml in bottle ). I think I'd rather reduce the accuracy a little and get more in the bottle, so I decide to go with 2 drops per milligram which will reduce my target accuracy quite a bit, but its still fine. If I slip and accidentally get an extra couple milligrams of 2CB, I'll survive. At 2 drops per milligram, that means 7-8 milligrams per milliliter (15-18 drops per milliliter for the example dropper). That means that about 150 milligrams in my 20ml dropper bottle. Thats a good amount and 2CB is nice and stable in distilled water.
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: yovvit on March 19, 2012, 03:53 pm
@foxymeow do you reckon it would be alright dissolving 125mg in 100mL water if i used the microwave?

@Appa thanks for finding these links, they're useful :) but would the ratio I stated here ^ (1.25mg:1mL) work ok? I think it's easier to measure an amount such as 20mL for each of us as opposed to 3mL for each of us in a 8mg:1mL ratio. Also do you think it would be better to dissolve in the same amount of vodka rather than water?

thanks for everyone's help.
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: Appa on March 19, 2012, 11:34 pm
would the ratio I stated here ^ (1.25mg:1mL) work ok? I think it's easier to measure an amount such as 20mL for each of us as opposed to 3mL for each of us in a 8mg:1mL ratio.

Of course.  8:1 was simply on the higher end of what seems to be achievable using distilled water.  The smaller the ratio, the more accurate the dose will be, but the more liquid you'll have to drink (which might not be bad, per se).  I personally prefer ratios of between 2:1 and 5:1.

Also do you think it would be better to dissolve in the same amount of vodka rather than water?

If by "better" you mean how easily it will go into solution, then yes, it will dissociate into alcohol more readily.  I prefer distilled water when possible, since alcohol has a strong taste and its own effects.  If you use alcohol and stick to your plan of 20 mL doses, you'll have to drink 2/3 of a shot per dose.  Not that much really, but it's so alcohol soluble, you could easily double the ratio and not lose much dosing accuracy.
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: yovvit on March 20, 2012, 03:56 pm
thanks very much Appa, you've answered all my questions excellently :) I'll probably use water (distilled if I can get hold of any) to avoid adverse alcoholic affects. Do you think drinking after I come down from the 2-cb is a bad idea?
thanks again,
yovvit
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: ianfleming on March 20, 2012, 05:04 pm
How can you tell if it's HBr or HCI?
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on March 20, 2012, 05:53 pm
@Ianfleming
I knew because my dealer said which it was.
I'm not sure if you can tell without the proper equipment. I have an idea yet I'm not sure if this would work:
-First, test if your 2c-b dissolves, if so, add NaCl , keep adding it, if it was 2c-b·HCl the 2c-b would precipitate - i'm kinda sure there was something like this back when I did chemistry

Also, just for the record, when I tried to dissolve the 2c-b, I did use tap water, distilled water must work better.
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: ianfleming on March 20, 2012, 07:39 pm
I tend to stick to my moonshine (100 proof clear corn whiskey) solution. I find that 5mg-1ml/cc works quite nice, that gives me 1 dose per dram, and I can take 1 or 2 drams at a time (for a light or heavy dose). (keep in mind, I'm using 2c-i, not 2c-b)
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: Appa on March 20, 2012, 08:51 pm
thanks very much Appa, you've answered all my questions excellently :) I'll probably use water (distilled if I can get hold of any) to avoid adverse alcoholic affects. Do you think drinking after I come down from the 2-cb is a bad idea?
thanks again,
yovvit

Glad I could help.  Bottled water is generally distilled, so you could just grab a gallon at Walmart or something.  Drinking alcohol probably isn't a bad idea, I've drank quite a few times while/after tripping with no ill effects.  I don't necessarily feel as tipsy/drunk under these circumstances, but I think that's because I'm more focused on the tripping aspects, not because the effects aren't there.

How can you tell if it's HBr or HCI?

Don't quote me on this, since I'm no chemist, but I believe the HBr tends to be more yellow/tan/off white chunky crystals, whereas the HCl is more like white needle-y crystals.

Also, just for the record, when I tried to dissolve the 2c-b, I did use tap water, distilled water must work better.

They should be similarly effective, the reason to use distilled over tap is simply to prevent other salts and gunk that's in tap water (fluoride, chlorine...) from messing around with your precious chemicals.  Whether or not your product will degrade faster in tap vs distilled is beyond my knowledge.
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: foxymeow on March 21, 2012, 03:19 am
Don't use grain alchohol as it will evaporate too fast. I usually use vodka.

33 drops in a standard medicine dropper = 1ml

I do 12mg per drop. So I do 420mg per ml (round it up a bit just to be safe).
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: ianfleming on March 21, 2012, 03:21 am
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Don't use grain alchohol as it will evaporate too fast. I usually use vodka.
Grain alcohol at 100proof will not evaporate any quicker than 90 proof vodka.
Especially not if it's in an airtight container in the freezer.  ;)
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: Appa on March 21, 2012, 05:06 am
Grain alcohol at 100proof will not evaporate any quicker than 90 proof vodka.
Especially not if it's in an airtight container in the freezer.  ;)

Well grain alcohol is actually closer to 200 proof (Everclear comes in 151 and 190, if memory serves), so it will indeed evaporate more quickly than ~90 proof vodka.  Proof and percent are not the same.
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: foxymeow on March 21, 2012, 05:21 am
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Don't use grain alchohol as it will evaporate too fast. I usually use vodka.
Grain alcohol at 100proof will not evaporate any quicker than 90 proof vodka.
Especially not if it's in an airtight container in the freezer.  ;)

I mean 151 proof. It literally evaporates so fast that it evaporated before the liquid left the eye dropper and I hustled. Making smarties is a lot harder than it seems.
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: ianfleming on March 21, 2012, 05:34 pm
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Well grain alcohol is actually closer to 200 proof (Everclear comes in 151 and 190, if memory serves), so it will indeed evaporate more quickly than ~90 proof vodka.  Proof and percent are not the same.
Grain alcohol does not HAVE to be 200 proof. they sell 90-10 proof everclear, but what I use is moonshine, cut with distilled water. It's 100 proof. (50%). I KNOW what I'm working with.
Title: Re: 2-cb solubility
Post by: foxymeow on March 30, 2012, 06:13 am
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Well grain alcohol is actually closer to 200 proof (Everclear comes in 151 and 190, if memory serves), so it will indeed evaporate more quickly than ~90 proof vodka.  Proof and percent are not the same.
Grain alcohol does not HAVE to be 200 proof. they sell 90-10 proof everclear, but what I use is moonshine, cut with distilled water. It's 100 proof. (50%). I KNOW what I'm working with.

Well I was more talking about the proof. Yeah, as long as you aren't using rubbing alcohol (never use rubbing alchohol it doesn't work all that great and the fumes will make you feel sick....I would know from trying to lay down blotter with it) it doesn't really matter what alcohol you use.