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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: Pwnedurmoma1 on August 03, 2013, 10:39 pm
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so, i've been a long time viewer of silkroad since i was a newb at computers, and recently decided to take it seriously and actually buy something instead of saying "HOLY SHIT, hes selling 5,000,000$ worth of acid?!", so i created an account and will add bitcoins shortly, but i read that if you receive an order and the postman asks for your signature its likely a police setup, have any of you EVER been asked for a signature when recieving a package from the SilkRoad
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You read right, most vendors won't get delivery confirmation unless it's for a huge order and even then pretty sure most just use tracking. Ask your vendor if you received a notice that you need to sign for a package. That is unless you ordered something legal that needs signing for.
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I personally would not sign for anything unless I was expecting to. But really I would never want to sign for anything from SR. It is like an admission of guilt.
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I've signed B4 but I wouldn't recommend it. Once was for an order from that Smile Awhile dude whose product was pretty much legendary but he shipped from a wierd foreign country and required signatures, so I chanced it. Another time just recently a new vendor fucked up and didn't waive the sig. I wanted the product so, again, chanced it.
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do any of you know if UnderGroundSyndicate requires the signature? also if Smokeables has a manditory signature
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do any of you know if UnderGroundSyndicate requires the signature? also if Smokeables has a manditory signature
I don't know bout them guys dude but most, like high 90's % do not require a sig. It's pretty rare that a vendor does.
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do any of you know if UnderGroundSyndicate requires the signature? also if Smokeables has a manditory signature
I've ordered from UGS and no signature was required. I think most vendors don't require one for the very reasons outlined in this thread (it's like putting a "yes I wanted this product delivered to my home STAMP right on your forehead" which is very hard to fight legally).
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do any of you know if UnderGroundSyndicate requires the signature? also if Smokeables has a manditory signature
I've ordered from UGS and no signature was required. I think most vendors don't require one for the very reasons outlined in this thread (it's like putting a "yes I wanted this product delivered to my home STAMP right on your forehead" which is very hard to fight legally).
lololol it really is hard to fight, where I lived growing up there was a lot of tweaker meth addicts who would sell your scalp for a hit of meth and let me just say, its not fun having a friend be required to use his firearm when you get attempted robbed during a 2 gram sale, of pot. a tweaker tried to stab me with a piece of rebar, so most of the time i was more worried about the dealers than the police, this is a little off topic, but at most paintball stores you can buy actual smoke grenades, if a cop catches up to you, rolls his window down and tells you to stop, throwing a smoke grenade inside of the car will give you hella time to run, also the weed was laced a lot of the time, so im glad i found a trusted online source, that wont threaten my life, that charges 40$ for 7 grams of weed, that ships right to my door, that doesnt contain cocaine or crack, you ever have problems with laced weed or junkies?
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I personally love purchasing online and get packages delivered to my home on a constant basis (non-SR I'm referring to) and I have yet to sign for a single package in the last several years. Regardless of UPS, FedEx, USPS or even who ever the hell DHL hires (they send anyone that has a license and a running vehicle) will leave the package sitting on my porch. Some ring the doorbell and walk away but most don't even do that.
Like the poster of this topic I've been in and out of SR the last couple years (lost my old user name) but just never knew enough (or had the need really) to use SR since I had good local connections. That being said I now have the need and am about to make a purchase once I finish doing a little more research. One thing I know for SURE is that if the postman rings my bell and waits at my door, I'm not answering or signing for shit! No way. That would be a major red flag and if I lose my money in the process, oh well, i'll still give the vendor his 5/5 since I know when I do order and deal with the right vendor it won't be their fault. God knows a few grams of weed isn't worth the ringer they will put you through if they do catch you.
One question I have to post though is, has anyone heard of, or do they practice writing "return to sender" on the box when they recieve it and then maybe wait a day to open it, just in case? I know when I get the package it will be very hard to do, but I want to take any and all precautions and it seems to me that if you got a package, didn't sign, and they raided you the next day anyway, that an unopened box with "return to sender" would be about the most solid form of "plausible deniability" you can have. Has anyone been in this situation? I would hope not, but wondering if it works.
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I personally love purchasing online and get packages delivered to my home on a constant basis (non-SR I'm referring to) and I have yet to sign for a single package in the last several years. Regardless of UPS, FedEx, USPS or even who ever the hell DHL hires (they send anyone that has a license and a running vehicle) will leave the package sitting on my porch. Some ring the doorbell and walk away but most don't even do that.
Like the poster of this topic I've been in and out of SR the last couple years (lost my old user name) but just never knew enough (or had the need really) to use SR since I had good local connections. That being said I now have the need and am about to make a purchase once I finish doing a little more research. One thing I know for SURE is that if the postman rings my bell and waits at my door, I'm not answering or signing for shit! No way. That would be a major red flag and if I lose my money in the process, oh well, i'll still give the vendor his 5/5 since I know when I do order and deal with the right vendor it won't be their fault. God knows a few grams of weed isn't worth the ringer they will put you through if they do catch you.
One question I have to post though is, has anyone heard of, or do they practice writing "return to sender" on the box when they recieve it and then maybe wait a day to open it, just in case? I know when I get the package it will be very hard to do, but I want to take any and all precautions and it seems to me that if you got a package, didn't sign, and they raided you the next day anyway, that an unopened box with "return to sender" would be about the most solid form of "plausible deniability" you can have. Has anyone been in this situation? I would hope not, but wondering if it works.
oh my god, thats brilliant, i've only had to sign for a package once, it was an AK-74u lololol, i live in a good neighborhood now with very little crookery, so i left a note saying "leave the package my good UPS guy" and he did, I have good connections at my college, but in summer i lose all mine, so all my purchases are going to be in summer, but ill tell you what, that is actually a really good idea, i may do that, did you read the cannabis corner article about the guy leaving his weed parcel on the table for a day to look like a wrong package? but if i was a cop id call BS, no one sends weed to the wrong person, although when i was 13 we recieved some sexual items and my parents bitched me out for 4 hours before they realized it was our neighbors XD, funny shit though, handcuffs, gags and whips are definitely what a 13 year old kid buys, but since they send it from an invalid location it would probably work, i might do that
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I personally love purchasing online and get packages delivered to my home on a constant basis (non-SR I'm referring to) and I have yet to sign for a single package in the last several years. Regardless of UPS, FedEx, USPS or even who ever the hell DHL hires (they send anyone that has a license and a running vehicle) will leave the package sitting on my porch. Some ring the doorbell and walk away but most don't even do that.
Like the poster of this topic I've been in and out of SR the last couple years (lost my old user name) but just never knew enough (or had the need really) to use SR since I had good local connections. That being said I now have the need and am about to make a purchase once I finish doing a little more research. One thing I know for SURE is that if the postman rings my bell and waits at my door, I'm not answering or signing for shit! No way. That would be a major red flag and if I lose my money in the process, oh well, i'll still give the vendor his 5/5 since I know when I do order and deal with the right vendor it won't be their fault. God knows a few grams of weed isn't worth the ringer they will put you through if they do catch you.
One question I have to post though is, has anyone heard of, or do they practice writing "return to sender" on the box when they recieve it and then maybe wait a day to open it, just in case? I know when I get the package it will be very hard to do, but I want to take any and all precautions and it seems to me that if you got a package, didn't sign, and they raided you the next day anyway, that an unopened box with "return to sender" would be about the most solid form of "plausible deniability" you can have. Has anyone been in this situation? I would hope not, but wondering if it works.
oh my god, thats brilliant, i've only had to sign for a package once, it was an AK-74u lololol, i live in a good neighborhood now with very little crookery, so i left a note saying "leave the package my good UPS guy" and he did, I have good connections at my college, but in summer i lose all mine, so all my purchases are going to be in summer, but ill tell you what, that is actually a really good idea, i may do that, did you read the cannabis corner article about the guy leaving his weed parcel on the table for a day to look like a wrong package? but if i was a cop id call BS, no one sends weed to the wrong person, although when i was 13 we recieved some sexual items and my parents bitched me out for 4 hours before they realized it was our neighbors XD, funny shit though, handcuffs, gags and whips are definitely what a 13 year old kid buys, but since they send it from an invalid location it would probably work, i might do that
Thanks, appreciate the nice comment. Yeah I'm sure leaving it sit for a day or two wouldn't hurt either way. If they kick your door in and the package is unopended they don't have shit on you and you play dumb. But based on what I've read thus far on this forum, that's highly unlikely. Especially if you are ordering less than a QP of weed, they don't want you, they want the source. It will cost their dept. 10 times what they get out of you for the bust but we all know that won't stop them.
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I personally love purchasing online and get packages delivered to my home on a constant basis (non-SR I'm referring to) and I have yet to sign for a single package in the last several years. Regardless of UPS, FedEx, USPS or even who ever the hell DHL hires (they send anyone that has a license and a running vehicle) will leave the package sitting on my porch. Some ring the doorbell and walk away but most don't even do that.
Like the poster of this topic I've been in and out of SR the last couple years (lost my old user name) but just never knew enough (or had the need really) to use SR since I had good local connections. That being said I now have the need and am about to make a purchase once I finish doing a little more research. One thing I know for SURE is that if the postman rings my bell and waits at my door, I'm not answering or signing for shit! No way. That would be a major red flag and if I lose my money in the process, oh well, i'll still give the vendor his 5/5 since I know when I do order and deal with the right vendor it won't be their fault. God knows a few grams of weed isn't worth the ringer they will put you through if they do catch you.
One question I have to post though is, has anyone heard of, or do they practice writing "return to sender" on the box when they recieve it and then maybe wait a day to open it, just in case? I know when I get the package it will be very hard to do, but I want to take any and all precautions and it seems to me that if you got a package, didn't sign, and they raided you the next day anyway, that an unopened box with "return to sender" would be about the most solid form of "plausible deniability" you can have. Has anyone been in this situation? I would hope not, but wondering if it works.
oh my god, thats brilliant, i've only had to sign for a package once, it was an AK-74u lololol, i live in a good neighborhood now with very little crookery, so i left a note saying "leave the package my good UPS guy" and he did, I have good connections at my college, but in summer i lose all mine, so all my purchases are going to be in summer, but ill tell you what, that is actually a really good idea, i may do that, did you read the cannabis corner article about the guy leaving his weed parcel on the table for a day to look like a wrong package? but if i was a cop id call BS, no one sends weed to the wrong person, although when i was 13 we recieved some sexual items and my parents bitched me out for 4 hours before they realized it was our neighbors XD, funny shit though, handcuffs, gags and whips are definitely what a 13 year old kid buys, but since they send it from an invalid location it would probably work, i might do that
Thanks, appreciate the nice comment. Yeah I'm sure leaving it sit for a day or two wouldn't hurt either way. If they kick your door in and the package is unopended they don't have shit on you and you play dumb. But based on what I've read thus far on this forum, that's highly unlikely. Especially if you are ordering less than a QP of weed, they don't want you, they want the source. It will cost their dept. 10 times what they get out of you for the bust but we all know that won't stop them.
that makes me so happy, im going to buy 14 grams and i get so paranoid the feds are going to open the package and come bust my ass or that someone in my house is going to find it, but you're right, they wont waste 500$ on 140$ of pot
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Keep in mind that even if you say no to the controlled delivery they have a search warrant. To be honest saying no might even lead to LESS plausible deniability. Most people don't say no to packages.
Regardless of a yes or no answer they will still break down your door and ransack the house searching for more drugs.
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Keep in mind that even if you say no to the controlled delivery they have a search warrant. To be honest saying no might even lead to LESS plausible deniability. Most people don't say no to packages.
Regardless of a yes or no answer they will still break down your door and ransack the house searching for more drugs.
I can understand your point but I don't see how this would give you less plausible deniability. If they knock on my door when an SR package is expected, I'm simply not going to answer the door. If they leave with the package then they can keep it and add it to their evidence collection and I'll discontinue ordering for at least 6 months (maybe that's paranoid) but either way I'm not taking the package or making an appearance. Just remember DO NOT TALK TO LE, and if you all of sudden are required to sign for a package that you KNOW you shouldn't have to sign for (ie domestic shipments) then you more than likely have LE of some sort at your door and your best bet is to avoid. If you never take the package, what will they get a warrant for? Unless they have some solid IT forensics to prove you ordered (which they won't if you follow the great advice here) then you will be in the clear.
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I personally love purchasing online and get packages delivered to my home on a constant basis (non-SR I'm referring to) and I have yet to sign for a single package in the last several years. Regardless of UPS, FedEx, USPS or even who ever the hell DHL hires (they send anyone that has a license and a running vehicle) will leave the package sitting on my porch. Some ring the doorbell and walk away but most don't even do that.
Like the poster of this topic I've been in and out of SR the last couple years (lost my old user name) but just never knew enough (or had the need really) to use SR since I had good local connections. That being said I now have the need and am about to make a purchase once I finish doing a little more research. One thing I know for SURE is that if the postman rings my bell and waits at my door, I'm not answering or signing for shit! No way. That would be a major red flag and if I lose my money in the process, oh well, i'll still give the vendor his 5/5 since I know when I do order and deal with the right vendor it won't be their fault. God knows a few grams of weed isn't worth the ringer they will put you through if they do catch you.
One question I have to post though is, has anyone heard of, or do they practice writing "return to sender" on the box when they recieve it and then maybe wait a day to open it, just in case? I know when I get the package it will be very hard to do, but I want to take any and all precautions and it seems to me that if you got a package, didn't sign, and they raided you the next day anyway, that an unopened box with "return to sender" would be about the most solid form of "plausible deniability" you can have. Has anyone been in this situation? I would hope not, but wondering if it works.
oh my god, thats brilliant, i've only had to sign for a package once, it was an AK-74u lololol, i live in a good neighborhood now with very little crookery, so i left a note saying "leave the package my good UPS guy" and he did, I have good connections at my college, but in summer i lose all mine, so all my purchases are going to be in summer, but ill tell you what, that is actually a really good idea, i may do that, did you read the cannabis corner article about the guy leaving his weed parcel on the table for a day to look like a wrong package? but if i was a cop id call BS, no one sends weed to the wrong person, although when i was 13 we recieved some sexual items and my parents bitched me out for 4 hours before they realized it was our neighbors XD, funny shit though, handcuffs, gags and whips are definitely what a 13 year old kid buys, but since they send it from an invalid location it would probably work, i might do that
Thanks, appreciate the nice comment. Yeah I'm sure leaving it sit for a day or two wouldn't hurt either way. If they kick your door in and the package is unopended they don't have shit on you and you play dumb. But based on what I've read thus far on this forum, that's highly unlikely. Especially if you are ordering less than a QP of weed, they don't want you, they want the source. It will cost their dept. 10 times what they get out of you for the bust but we all know that won't stop them.
that makes me so happy, im going to buy 14 grams and i get so paranoid the feds are going to open the package and come bust my ass or that someone in my house is going to find it, but you're right, they wont waste 500$ on 140$ of pot
True but whatever you do don't let your guard down. Like you I'll probably only order that amount, but regardless I'm going to take the same precaution that someone getting a huge shipment would. Mix your coins, use PGP, don't sign for package, use tails or keep your windows drive encrypted, or just don't keep any incriminating data at all.
Like another poster said, such great advice. No one ever regretted being too safe, but will always regret not being safe enough.
Be safe and good luck!
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Keep in mind that even if you say no to the controlled delivery they have a search warrant. To be honest saying no might even lead to LESS plausible deniability. Most people don't say no to packages.
Regardless of a yes or no answer they will still break down your door and ransack the house searching for more drugs.
I can understand your point but I don't see how this would give you less plausible deniability. If they knock on my door when an SR package is expected, I'm simply not going to answer the door. If they leave with the package then they can keep it and add it to their evidence collection and I'll discontinue ordering for at least 6 months (maybe that's paranoid) but either way I'm not taking the package or making an appearance. Just remember DO NOT TALK TO LE, and if you all of sudden are required to sign for a package that you KNOW you shouldn't have to sign for (ie domestic shipments) then you more than likely have LE of some sort at your door and your best bet is to avoid. If you never take the package, what will they get a warrant for? Unless they have some solid IT forensics to prove you ordered (which they won't if you follow the great advice here) then you will be in the clear.
I'm just establishing that saying "no, I wasn't expecting anything so I won't sign" will not just make them say "darn he said no to the package, we're boned!". Your idea of not answering the door is a good one but will only end well(If the operational definition of "well" is without getting a search) is if it wasn't a CD in the first place and just an honest mistake or purposeful option taken by the vendor.
They will get a warrant to search your house for more drugs/digital evidence.
Also I say it will lead to plausible deniability because who gets a packages and outright refuses to sign for it? That is strange and fits a "silkroad user" profile because we spew saying no to a signature religiously.
The goal when getting caught is to make them collectively have as little information on you as possible and fit as little of the "silk road" user profile as possible as well as fitting a "law abiding citizen" profile.
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Keep in mind that even if you say no to the controlled delivery they have a search warrant. To be honest saying no might even lead to LESS plausible deniability. Most people don't say no to packages.
Regardless of a yes or no answer they will still break down your door and ransack the house searching for more drugs.
I can understand your point but I don't see how this would give you less plausible deniability. If they knock on my door when an SR package is expected, I'm simply not going to answer the door. If they leave with the package then they can keep it and add it to their evidence collection and I'll discontinue ordering for at least 6 months (maybe that's paranoid) but either way I'm not taking the package or making an appearance. Just remember DO NOT TALK TO LE, and if you all of sudden are required to sign for a package that you KNOW you shouldn't have to sign for (ie domestic shipments) then you more than likely have LE of some sort at your door and your best bet is to avoid. If you never take the package, what will they get a warrant for? Unless they have some solid IT forensics to prove you ordered (which they won't if you follow the great advice here) then you will be in the clear.
I'm just establishing that saying "no, I wasn't expecting anything so I won't sign" will not just make them say "darn he said no to the package, we're boned!". Your idea of not answering the door is a good one but will only end well(If the operational definition of "well" is without getting a search) is if it wasn't a CD in the first place and just an honest mistake or purposeful option taken by the vendor.
They will get a warrant to search your house for more drugs/digital evidence.
Also I say it will lead to plausible deniability because who gets a packages and outright refuses to sign for it? That is strange and fits a "silkroad user" profile because we spew saying no to a signature religiously.
The goal when getting caught is to make them collectively have as little information on you as possible and fit as little of the "silk road" user profile as possible as well as fitting a "law abiding citizen" profile.
Yes I understand your point, blend in with the masses is generally what keeps you safe. But that's why I stress so much to not answer if you KNOW for sure you don't have to sign (and you will know). Whats strange about someone not being home? And I would be uber paranoid if all of a sudden they wanted a signature, when they never asked when they drop a $200 value package on your doorstep and walk away. And lets say that even if you do this, they still bust your door in, what do they have on you? You don't have the package so no contraband. If they confiscate your computer, and you are using something like TAILS or have your Windows drives encrypted, again they don't have shit on you. The only other way they could get you is if they have the tor system and even SR compromised and already have evidence that you made a purchase, and I'm betting if this is the case, there will be no CD, they will simply bust your door in.
Of course there are times you do have to sign, if you order international, but I don't know of one domestic vendor in the US anyway that requires this and I can tell you I won't order from a vendor that does require this or order from overseas. If the vendor tells me I don't have to sign and they come asking for a signature, and it was in fact requested by the vendor, that vendor is getting 1/5 and a nasty message, but I have yet to see where this has happened, at least domestically anyway. All bets are off for international.
But all in all I'm a noob and basing this off of what I've read on the forums, so maybe my reasoning is flawed but either way I'm doing whatever I can to aviod any facetime with LE. If it comes to that I will quickly "lawyer up" as they love to say and they know at that point if they don't have evidence they may as well let you walk.
peace and good luck!
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well, actually no one WOULD deny a package, im building a computer and ordering it at the same time as my "other packages", and that way if it is a bust, i can just say "DRUGS?! i thought that was my MOTHERBOARD!!! WHAT THE FUCK!", im serious, im going to be recieving 10+ packages that are my computer and a few SR packages, so ill sign for it, but if it turns out to be a bust, i have huge deniability, i live in my own house, but my brother has been staying here while he tries to find a job, but he would report me to the cops a billion times if he even found a pipe or a nugget of pot, ik its ridiculous that its MY house and he tries to make the rules, but you know how ignorance is. its a good plan, am i right?
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I have thought that christmas season good time for packages. Everybody getting them, USPS overwhelmed
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I have thought that christmas season good time for packages. Everybody getting them, USPS overwhelmed
one of my "friends" knows how the USPS determines suspicious packages, here is an amazingly helpful tip, First Class Mail including Priority Mail and Express mail are sealed against Postal Inspection. Warrants are near impossible to get, but those minimum price shipping options, they can open those without a warrant, they just claim it as "making sure it qualifies for the right shipping option" packages are safer than letters but if you get a letter from SR at minimum shipping price, it is DEFINITELY going to be searched by USPS, my friend has 30 years at the USPS and they're absolutely required to look through the letters and read them, so if you're really interested in securing your investment BUY THE BEST SHIPPING OPTION, when he told me this i was absolutely mindfucked, it turns out when i ordered an AK online, he was the one who opened it and passed it for approval, hes a very good friend. (read this, its worth it)
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dont sign for anything unless that is the shipping option you selected even then i'd be cautious
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well, actually no one WOULD deny a package, im building a computer and ordering it at the same time as my "other packages", and that way if it is a bust, i can just say "DRUGS?! i thought that was my MOTHERBOARD!!! WHAT THE FUCK!", im serious, im going to be recieving 10+ packages that are my computer and a few SR packages, so ill sign for it, but if it turns out to be a bust, i have huge deniability, i live in my own house, but my brother has been staying here while he tries to find a job, but he would report me to the cops a billion times if he even found a pipe or a nugget of pot, ik its ridiculous that its MY house and he tries to make the rules, but you know how ignorance is. its a good plan, am i right?
Wow man your own bro would roll on you like that? If that was my bro and he was like that, no way he would be living in my house, but then again I know all situations are different, and it's hard to get through to brain washed people.
I have to say that I was like your bro very much, even thought about an LE career of all things, and then one faithful day I finally opened my eyes and tried smoking a little, and the rest as they say is history. Can't believe I was on the path of being such a tool, but thank God he opened my eyes. We all know, they do a great job of brainwashing the masses.
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well, actually no one WOULD deny a package, im building a computer and ordering it at the same time as my "other packages", and that way if it is a bust, i can just say "DRUGS?! i thought that was my MOTHERBOARD!!! WHAT THE FUCK!", im serious, im going to be recieving 10+ packages that are my computer and a few SR packages, so ill sign for it, but if it turns out to be a bust, i have huge deniability, i live in my own house, but my brother has been staying here while he tries to find a job, but he would report me to the cops a billion times if he even found a pipe or a nugget of pot, ik its ridiculous that its MY house and he tries to make the rules, but you know how ignorance is. its a good plan, am i right?
Wow man your own bro would roll on you like that? If that was my bro and he was like that, no way he would be living in my house, but then again I know all situations are different, and it's hard to get through to brain washed people.
I have to say that I was like your bro very much, even thought about an LE career of all things, and then one faithful day I finally opened my eyes and tried smoking a little, and the rest as they say is history. Can't believe I was on the path of being such a tool, but thank God he opened my eyes. We all know, they do a great job of brainwashing the masses.
i have 2 brothers, one is older than me, i wont say his age but hes 3 years older and has never touched a single drug in his life, hasnt even smoked or drank alcohol, but when pot was up for voting, everyone in the family except for my mom (my little brother cant vote, too young) voted yes on it cause my family knows i smoke, my older bro says "hey, its just pot, if you're responsible its fine", even my brother, whos never used it, believes in peoples rights. my dad said "when you're 18, smoke as much as you want, its your right" my mom said "OH MY GOD, POT CAUSES LIVER FAILURE AND CAN LEAD TO AIDS!!!!" quite literally, shes mentally incompetent, believes 9/11 was caused by aliens of planet nibiru , im not joking about it, growing up she would always tell me how 9/11 was caused by aliens from the planet called nibiru, and whats even worse, she brainwashed my little brother into thinking "pot is the worlds worst sin, aliens caused 9/11, the government is outside of our house, and that the world is going to explode for all of our sins" he lives with me when shes too whacked out on pain medication to even acknowledge anybody, he actually couldnt sleep some night and i asked him what was wrong, this is what he said "mom says the government is going to kill me for what i did and im going to hell because i looked up a bad website on the internet, im SORRY, I DONT WANT TO GO TO HELL, HELP ME D:" and he was bawling his eyes out, i thought he meant porn which i told him that EVERY guy does it and not to listen to mom, but it turns out he was on wikipedia, looking up the NSA PRISM scandal, and so i let him use my computer to look up whatever he wanted, lololol, but my mom actually convinced him that if you even walk next to someone thats smoking weed you'll get cancer and that they'll try to kill you, it just goes to show that the people who DONT use logic, influence their kids and then the cycle repeats, he wasnt scared of monsters or the boogyman, he was scared of the government and going to hell, all because 1 woman had to infringe on their childs right to form his own opinion, i learned my opinions from my dad and figured that if something doesnt affect me, i shouldnt stop it from happening, i say people should have the right to have a gay marriage, i say people should be able to use substances as long as they arent operating a car, i say people can do anything they want as long as it isnt physically affecting others. sorry for the rant, people need to fucking use logic though
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do any of you know if UnderGroundSyndicate requires the signature? also if Smokeables has a manditory signature
I have ordered from Smokeables many times. He does not require a signature to my knowledge. You can always message the vendor and ask. Most of them are happy to answer questions.
Ryno
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well, actually no one WOULD deny a package, im building a computer and ordering it at the same time as my "other packages", and that way if it is a bust, i can just say "DRUGS?! i thought that was my MOTHERBOARD!!! WHAT THE FUCK!", im serious, im going to be recieving 10+ packages that are my computer and a few SR packages, so ill sign for it, but if it turns out to be a bust, i have huge deniability, i live in my own house, but my brother has been staying here while he tries to find a job, but he would report me to the cops a billion times if he even found a pipe or a nugget of pot, ik its ridiculous that its MY house and he tries to make the rules, but you know how ignorance is. its a good plan, am i right?
Wow man your own bro would roll on you like that? If that was my bro and he was like that, no way he would be living in my house, but then again I know all situations are different, and it's hard to get through to brain washed people.
I have to say that I was like your bro very much, even thought about an LE career of all things, and then one faithful day I finally opened my eyes and tried smoking a little, and the rest as they say is history. Can't believe I was on the path of being such a tool, but thank God he opened my eyes. We all know, they do a great job of brainwashing the masses.
i have 2 brothers, one is older than me, i wont say his age but hes 3 years older and has never touched a single drug in his life, hasnt even smoked or drank alcohol, but when pot was up for voting, everyone in the family except for my mom (my little brother cant vote, too young) voted yes on it cause my family knows i smoke, my older bro says "hey, its just pot, if you're responsible its fine", even my brother, whos never used it, believes in peoples rights. my dad said "when you're 18, smoke as much as you want, its your right" my mom said "OH MY GOD, POT CAUSES LIVER FAILURE AND CAN LEAD TO AIDS!!!!" quite literally, shes mentally incompetent, believes 9/11 was caused by aliens of planet nibiru , im not joking about it, growing up she would always tell me how 9/11 was caused by aliens from the planet called nibiru, and whats even worse, she brainwashed my little brother into thinking "pot is the worlds worst sin, aliens caused 9/11, the government is outside of our house, and that the world is going to explode for all of our sins" he lives with me when shes too whacked out on pain medication to even acknowledge anybody, he actually couldnt sleep some night and i asked him what was wrong, this is what he said "mom says the government is going to kill me for what i did and im going to hell because i looked up a bad website on the internet, im SORRY, I DONT WANT TO GO TO HELL, HELP ME D:" and he was bawling his eyes out, i thought he meant porn which i told him that EVERY guy does it and not to listen to mom, but it turns out he was on wikipedia, looking up the NSA PRISM scandal, and so i let him use my computer to look up whatever he wanted, lololol, but my mom actually convinced him that if you even walk next to someone thats smoking weed you'll get cancer and that they'll try to kill you, it just goes to show that the people who DONT use logic, influence their kids and then the cycle repeats, he wasnt scared of monsters or the boogyman, he was scared of the government and going to hell, all because 1 woman had to infringe on their childs right to form his own opinion, i learned my opinions from my dad and figured that if something doesnt affect me, i shouldnt stop it from happening, i say people should have the right to have a gay marriage, i say people should be able to use substances as long as they arent operating a car, i say people can do anything they want as long as it isnt physically affecting others. sorry for the rant, people need to fucking use logic though
Well I hope you can help open your bros eyes, it's sad that people have that perception, but that's what a life of brainwashing will get you. I was certainly there at one point. On the bright side, we can actually get real info and not the bs propaganda spewed to us on daily basis on major tv networks, plus at least when it comes to pot, anyone who's sane and ever tried it knows how fucking stupid it is that it's illegal. My family is history of drunks, beating their wives, not keeping jobs, being geneal lowlifes but I've been a smoker since a teen, always held a job and put my family first.
The sad reality is that your bro is probably right to be scared of the government more than anything since odds are they will fuck with you before anyone else does, and it sounds like your Mom needs a does of reality. I don't think 9/11 was done by aliens, definitely humans, but I also don't think they were a bunch of Muslims hiding in a cave in Afghanstan, more like humans hiding in a cave in Washington DC :)
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Nice to know :)
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i assume some of you are stoners, i found an old pot brownie in my freezer i forgot to eat and i ate it like 40 minutes ago, and im, pretty blown up, if you guys are stoned, go to this page and listen to pink floyd- comfortably numb, it will blow your fucking mind
http://www.reddit.com/r/woahdude/
all these different trippy things, i love them all
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i assume some of you are stoners, i found an old pot brownie in my freezer i forgot to eat and i ate it like 40 minutes ago, and im, pretty blown up, if you guys are stoned, go to this page and listen to pink floyd- comfortably numb, it will blow your fucking mind
http://www.reddit.com/r/woahdude/
all these different trippy things, i love them all
Literally LOL'd.
Ryno
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If the vendor says you'll need to sign, and his/her feedback appears good, go for it.
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Like everyone stated before, do not sign for a package (or even go pick one up) unless you knew it required a signature beforehand.
With that said, if you are ordering personal amounts, LE will not waste their time setting up a CD. You will most likely receive a love letter from them if they do find personal amounts, unless there is a strong indication your house is full of other drugs.
Ideally everyone would have their mailing address be completely different from where they keep their drugs, but since that's not possible for a lot of people, it's best to just be cautious. If you see the mailman outside waiting for you to sign, take that time to hide whatever you can just in case. If it's a CD, then whether you answer the door or not, they can bust in and search your house.
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Lol ever watched the show DEA? Never sign for a package with illegal content in it
Even if the vendor says go for it, how do u know they aren't working themselves?
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Never sign for a package that you did not expect to sign for. It is simple as that. You cannot receive international express packages in the US without signing. You cannot receive international express packages in most countries without signing. So either order domestic without signing or sign when you expect to sign.
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Never sign for a package that you did not expect to sign for. It is simple as that. You cannot receive international express packages in the US without signing. You cannot receive international express packages in most countries without signing. So either order domestic without signing or sign when you expect to sign.
^^^what he said.
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i get so paranoid the feds are going to open the package and come bust my ass
Honestly I feel like buying on SR is less of a risk (if you're careful) than buying drugs on the street, from what I've heard so far. When you buy from street dealers you make all kinds of phone calls/text messages that are directly traceable back to you, meaning your identity is seriously compromised if LE manages to get their hands on one of your dealers' phones. And, judging by users' experiences on here, packages being intercepted by the USPS is very rare - you'd be more likely to get busted after getting pulled over while driving home from your dealer's place with drugs in your car.
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As a vendor, I won't ever make anyone sign for anything.
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As a vendor, I won't ever make anyone sign for anything.
Well are you shipping domestically? Because if not your customers are going to be waiting for weeks for your product. Some vendors give you the option to not sign, but some vendors, in order to get you the product asap and to also prevent it from sitting somewhere very long require signatures like jack said. It's not always pick n choose.
Ryno
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Yes, only domestic.. It's sad that I can't do INT just for that reason...
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There is never a reason for them to require a signature. DC is good enough. If they are requiring signatures that means they don't know much about shipping.
That said, I would sign for any package that was delivered to my place, just assuming it was some crap someone bought. Signing for some package proves exactly nothing whatsoever. The extremely simple rule to remember is, if you are guilty and get caught, don't say a word, if you have to,"none of your business" or "I want a lawyer".
Don't be a sucker and let them trick you, and don't think you can trick them. Give them nothing, and they have nothing. At least they have a hell of a lot less. Less is more.
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Yes, only domestic.. It's sad that I can't do INT just for that reason...
Find me a domestic supplier with quality, fast shipping, and good pricing! lol.
Ryno
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lolol, this is why i only buy domestic
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Intl. is fine. You are missing out on great deals.
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i get so paranoid the feds are going to open the package and come bust my ass
Honestly I feel like buying on SR is less of a risk (if you're careful) than buying drugs on the street, from what I've heard so far. When you buy from street dealers you make all kinds of phone calls/text messages that are directly traceable back to you, meaning your identity is seriously compromised if LE manages to get their hands on one of your dealers' phones. And, judging by users' experiences on here, packages being intercepted by the USPS is very rare - you'd be more likely to get busted after getting pulled over while driving home from your dealer's place with drugs in your car.
Great point I completely agree. Aside from the points you mention, transporting is by far the most risky activity you can be involved in, and although I stupidly did it as a kid (and paid the price) driving and smoking is just absolutely foolish. If you can't go a few hours without, you probably need to rethink your habit anyway.
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i get so paranoid the feds are going to open the package and come bust my ass
Honestly I feel like buying on SR is less of a risk (if you're careful) than buying drugs on the street, from what I've heard so far. When you buy from street dealers you make all kinds of phone calls/text messages that are directly traceable back to you, meaning your identity is seriously compromised if LE manages to get their hands on one of your dealers' phones. And, judging by users' experiences on here, packages being intercepted by the USPS is very rare - you'd be more likely to get busted after getting pulled over while driving home from your dealer's place with drugs in your car.
Great point I completely agree. Aside from the points you mention, transporting is by far the most risky activity you can be involved in, and although I stupidly did it as a kid (and paid the price) driving and smoking is just absolutely foolish. If you can't go a few hours without, you probably need to rethink your habit anyway.
yeah ik that feel, when i turned 16 i went to hang out with a friend and my mom let me borrow her really nice car while mine was in the shop, leather seats, it was an old car so it was cheap but AMAZING quality, my friend gets in the car, and the first thing he does, before even FUCKING asking me is lights up a blunt, not a pipe, not a bong, a blunt, the smelliest way to smoke weed, i slammed the brakes, grabbed the blunt and put it out, i almost fucking killed him, i had to spend like 3 hours trying to hide the smell, and my mom is fucking psycho about pot, but when i transport pot, i Drive my OWN car and i dont smoke it, i make sure all my car parts are fine and that my manditory legal's are updated, aka license plate, turn signals, brake lights, and i put the bag into my pants, most cops are guys and straight so the ball frisk is very light and crappy
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Many times. I have a PO box and I often get a card so I have to go to the counter. I evaluate the risk, both legal and financial, and sign and get my parcel.
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i get so paranoid the feds are going to open the package and come bust my ass
Honestly I feel like buying on SR is less of a risk (if you're careful) than buying drugs on the street, from what I've heard so far. When you buy from street dealers you make all kinds of phone calls/text messages that are directly traceable back to you, meaning your identity is seriously compromised if LE manages to get their hands on one of your dealers' phones. And, judging by users' experiences on here, packages being intercepted by the USPS is very rare - you'd be more likely to get busted after getting pulled over while driving home from your dealer's place with drugs in your car.
Great point I completely agree. Aside from the points you mention, transporting is by far the most risky activity you can be involved in, and although I stupidly did it as a kid (and paid the price) driving and smoking is just absolutely foolish. If you can't go a few hours without, you probably need to rethink your habit anyway.
yeah ik that feel, when i turned 16 i went to hang out with a friend and my mom let me borrow her really nice car while mine was in the shop, leather seats, it was an old car so it was cheap but AMAZING quality, my friend gets in the car, and the first thing he does, before even FUCKING asking me is lights up a blunt, not a pipe, not a bong, a blunt, the smelliest way to smoke weed, i slammed the brakes, grabbed the blunt and put it out, i almost fucking killed him, i had to spend like 3 hours trying to hide the smell, and my mom is fucking psycho about pot, but when i transport pot, i Drive my OWN car and i dont smoke it, i make sure all my car parts are fine and that my manditory legal's are updated, aka license plate, turn signals, brake lights, and i put the bag into my pants, most cops are guys and straight so the ball frisk is very light and crappy
Nice, gotta love ignorant friends or at least identify them and keep your distance. I got one up on you. Got pulled over while burning and fucking idiot with me threw a LIT joint under the fucking seat...cop comes to the window while it's just sitting there burning, and now burning the upholstry, which of course all stinks like crazy, gives me some bullshit (as usual) why he pulled me over and I sweating fucking bullets...and then he lets us go???? How the hell he didn't smell it was nothing short of a miracle, or his nose was just stopped up from the blow he confiscated and snorted :) Must have had an angel looking out for me that night. Needless to say after I was finished reminding him for the remainder of the drive how fucking stupid he was, and trying to keep myself from an assault charge from beating him senseless, I never let him in my car again.
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it's a sensible rule to keep in mind
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i get so paranoid the feds are going to open the package and come bust my ass
Honestly I feel like buying on SR is less of a risk (if you're careful) than buying drugs on the street, from what I've heard so far. When you buy from street dealers you make all kinds of phone calls/text messages that are directly traceable back to you, meaning your identity is seriously compromised if LE manages to get their hands on one of your dealers' phones. And, judging by users' experiences on here, packages being intercepted by the USPS is very rare - you'd be more likely to get busted after getting pulled over while driving home from your dealer's place with drugs in your car.
Great point I completely agree. Aside from the points you mention, transporting is by far the most risky activity you can be involved in, and although I stupidly did it as a kid (and paid the price) driving and smoking is just absolutely foolish. If you can't go a few hours without, you probably need to rethink your habit anyway.
yeah ik that feel, when i turned 16 i went to hang out with a friend and my mom let me borrow her really nice car while mine was in the shop, leather seats, it was an old car so it was cheap but AMAZING quality, my friend gets in the car, and the first thing he does, before even FUCKING asking me is lights up a blunt, not a pipe, not a bong, a blunt, the smelliest way to smoke weed, i slammed the brakes, grabbed the blunt and put it out, i almost fucking killed him, i had to spend like 3 hours trying to hide the smell, and my mom is fucking psycho about pot, but when i transport pot, i Drive my OWN car and i dont smoke it, i make sure all my car parts are fine and that my manditory legal's are updated, aka license plate, turn signals, brake lights, and i put the bag into my pants, most cops are guys and straight so the ball frisk is very light and crappy
Nice, gotta love ignorant friends or at least identify them and keep your distance. I got one up on you. Got pulled over while burning and fucking idiot with me threw a LIT joint under the fucking seat...cop comes to the window while it's just sitting there burning, and now burning the upholstry, which of course all stinks like crazy, gives me some bullshit (as usual) why he pulled me over and I sweating fucking bullets...and then he lets us go???? How the hell he didn't smell it was nothing short of a miracle, or his nose was just stopped up from the blow he confiscated and snorted :) Must have had an angel looking out for me that night. Needless to say after I was finished reminding him for the remainder of the drive how fucking stupid he was, and trying to keep myself from an assault charge from beating him senseless, I never let him in my car again.
how old were you at the time, cause my ex neighbor was a cop and when i was young, since my parents never gave me the drug talk or any of that he would take me for random rides in his police car cause it was fucking awesome and he said that pot isnt bad if you're mature enough to handle it, but the only problem with using it as a kid is that it makes you okay with being bored, and that when youre okay with being bored you wont spend time playing a sport or learning a skill and that whenever he would catch kids smoking pot he wouldnt take it or anything he would just give them that talk and it was amazing, he didnt say something like "pot is a terrible drug and will make you homeless", he didnt lie to me, and damn, it was pretty cool that someone was honest about it.
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i get so paranoid the feds are going to open the package and come bust my ass
Honestly I feel like buying on SR is less of a risk (if you're careful) than buying drugs on the street, from what I've heard so far. When you buy from street dealers you make all kinds of phone calls/text messages that are directly traceable back to you, meaning your identity is seriously compromised if LE manages to get their hands on one of your dealers' phones. And, judging by users' experiences on here, packages being intercepted by the USPS is very rare - you'd be more likely to get busted after getting pulled over while driving home from your dealer's place with drugs in your car.
Great point I completely agree. Aside from the points you mention, transporting is by far the most risky activity you can be involved in, and although I stupidly did it as a kid (and paid the price) driving and smoking is just absolutely foolish. If you can't go a few hours without, you probably need to rethink your habit anyway.
yeah ik that feel, when i turned 16 i went to hang out with a friend and my mom let me borrow her really nice car while mine was in the shop, leather seats, it was an old car so it was cheap but AMAZING quality, my friend gets in the car, and the first thing he does, before even FUCKING asking me is lights up a blunt, not a pipe, not a bong, a blunt, the smelliest way to smoke weed, i slammed the brakes, grabbed the blunt and put it out, i almost fucking killed him, i had to spend like 3 hours trying to hide the smell, and my mom is fucking psycho about pot, but when i transport pot, i Drive my OWN car and i dont smoke it, i make sure all my car parts are fine and that my manditory legal's are updated, aka license plate, turn signals, brake lights, and i put the bag into my pants, most cops are guys and straight so the ball frisk is very light and crappy
Nice, gotta love ignorant friends or at least identify them and keep your distance. I got one up on you. Got pulled over while burning and fucking idiot with me threw a LIT joint under the fucking seat...cop comes to the window while it's just sitting there burning, and now burning the upholstry, which of course all stinks like crazy, gives me some bullshit (as usual) why he pulled me over and I sweating fucking bullets...and then he lets us go???? How the hell he didn't smell it was nothing short of a miracle, or his nose was just stopped up from the blow he confiscated and snorted :) Must have had an angel looking out for me that night. Needless to say after I was finished reminding him for the remainder of the drive how fucking stupid he was, and trying to keep myself from an assault charge from beating him senseless, I never let him in my car again.
how old were you at the time, cause my ex neighbor was a cop and when i was young, since my parents never gave me the drug talk or any of that he would take me for random rides in his police car cause it was fucking awesome and he said that pot isnt bad if you're mature enough to handle it, but the only problem with using it as a kid is that it makes you okay with being bored, and that when youre okay with being bored you wont spend time playing a sport or learning a skill and that whenever he would catch kids smoking pot he wouldnt take it or anything he would just give them that talk and it was amazing, he didnt say something like "pot is a terrible drug and will make you homeless", he didnt lie to me, and damn, it was pretty cool that someone was honest about it.
Yeah there are some cops that are ok I'll say, they are called LEAP members...but they only are because they actually look at the disgusting situation this so called war on drugs has caused and use their brain to logically deduce how fucked up it is. the rest are a bunch of ass sniffing drones that do whatever their overlords tell them and could give a fuck what happens to people unless it's one their so called "brothers". it's always been so ironically ludicrous that their slogan is protect and serve
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i get so paranoid the feds are going to open the package and come bust my ass
Honestly I feel like buying on SR is less of a risk (if you're careful) than buying drugs on the street, from what I've heard so far. When you buy from street dealers you make all kinds of phone calls/text messages that are directly traceable back to you, meaning your identity is seriously compromised if LE manages to get their hands on one of your dealers' phones. And, judging by users' experiences on here, packages being intercepted by the USPS is very rare - you'd be more likely to get busted after getting pulled over while driving home from your dealer's place with drugs in your car.
Great point I completely agree. Aside from the points you mention, transporting is by far the most risky activity you can be involved in, and although I stupidly did it as a kid (and paid the price) driving and smoking is just absolutely foolish. If you can't go a few hours without, you probably need to rethink your habit anyway.
yeah ik that feel, when i turned 16 i went to hang out with a friend and my mom let me borrow her really nice car while mine was in the shop, leather seats, it was an old car so it was cheap but AMAZING quality, my friend gets in the car, and the first thing he does, before even FUCKING asking me is lights up a blunt, not a pipe, not a bong, a blunt, the smelliest way to smoke weed, i slammed the brakes, grabbed the blunt and put it out, i almost fucking killed him, i had to spend like 3 hours trying to hide the smell, and my mom is fucking psycho about pot, but when i transport pot, i Drive my OWN car and i dont smoke it, i make sure all my car parts are fine and that my manditory legal's are updated, aka license plate, turn signals, brake lights, and i put the bag into my pants, most cops are guys and straight so the ball frisk is very light and crappy
Nice, gotta love ignorant friends or at least identify them and keep your distance. I got one up on you. Got pulled over while burning and fucking idiot with me threw a LIT joint under the fucking seat...cop comes to the window while it's just sitting there burning, and now burning the upholstry, which of course all stinks like crazy, gives me some bullshit (as usual) why he pulled me over and I sweating fucking bullets...and then he lets us go???? How the hell he didn't smell it was nothing short of a miracle, or his nose was just stopped up from the blow he confiscated and snorted :) Must have had an angel looking out for me that night. Needless to say after I was finished reminding him for the remainder of the drive how fucking stupid he was, and trying to keep myself from an assault charge from beating him senseless, I never let him in my car again.
how old were you at the time, cause my ex neighbor was a cop and when i was young, since my parents never gave me the drug talk or any of that he would take me for random rides in his police car cause it was fucking awesome and he said that pot isnt bad if you're mature enough to handle it, but the only problem with using it as a kid is that it makes you okay with being bored, and that when youre okay with being bored you wont spend time playing a sport or learning a skill and that whenever he would catch kids smoking pot he wouldnt take it or anything he would just give them that talk and it was amazing, he didnt say something like "pot is a terrible drug and will make you homeless", he didnt lie to me, and damn, it was pretty cool that someone was honest about it.
Yeah there are some cops that are ok I'll say, they are called LEAP members...but they only are because they actually look at the disgusting situation this so called war on drugs has caused and use their brain to logically deduce how fucked up it is. the rest are a bunch of ass sniffing drones that do whatever their overlords tell them and could give a fuck what happens to people unless it's one their so called "brothers". it's always been so ironically ludicrous that their slogan is protect and serve
Let's not forget that many of the police in Nazi Germany justified their actions as simply being a part of their job. Police are a tool for the government, and the slogan to protect and serve is how they indoctrinate society to be accepting of their actions. I learned at a young age that the police are not harbingers of safety.
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this is some 1984 george orwell type-a-shit
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I've never been asked to.. ?
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Don't sign when you don't need to.
Only sign if necessary.
Don't order packs req. signature and you won't have to sign.