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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: bjman on November 10, 2012, 06:58 am

Title: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: bjman on November 10, 2012, 06:58 am
I just think it's strange that DPR or another admin hasn't been on to give us any sort of update on the site's status.  Not trying to jump to conclusions or fearmonger.  It just seems strange.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: jurdermunkie on November 10, 2012, 07:02 am
I agree. Lots of btc's with no way to get them gonna fester and turn to rage pretty quick with some people.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: bjman on November 10, 2012, 07:07 am
One thing to consider is that there have been reports of intermittent uptime.  I was even able to get to the login page once about 6 hours into the outage.  If the site was....compromised, it seems like it would have been taken down in full.  But that doesn't seem to be the case.  The fact that some people have even been able to log in points more toward extreme load or major server issues.  But still..why no update?
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: CocaCowboy on November 10, 2012, 07:12 am
Not much of a tech guy but if it was taken down by LE or even some hackers wouldn't they shut down the main site and forum?

I'm sure DPR and his team are rushing to get this fixed that's the reason they aren't replying.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: bjman on November 10, 2012, 07:16 am
Definitely could be that.  But considering that there are hundreds/thousands of people (and thousands of dollars in transactions) waiting on access, you'd think they would take *two minutes* to come to the forums and say something.

Anyone know if DDoS attacks are common or even possible on tor sites?
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: maxhavelaar on November 10, 2012, 07:18 am
i'd think so too, but then again... those drugs are going to bite us in the ass after all... goddamnit! :P
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: CocaCowboy on November 10, 2012, 07:20 am
Completely agree with that..as a vendor we would like to mark things in transit and see what your customers are saying, is there anyway the server can expand or is it not as easy as clear net?
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: JezuzWazaMushroom on November 10, 2012, 07:25 am
Agreed! I just wired in 150 BTC on top of what I had without realising the issues ATM! Let us hope DPR is as good person as we all think and doesn't go AWOL...
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: iaskquestion on November 10, 2012, 07:25 am
I think the reason DPR is always slow to make an announcement is he wants to remain unpredictable for security reasons.  It's more secure to not announce when or what maintenance you're doing.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: fitness_n_herb on November 10, 2012, 07:25 am
Give it more then a day, I am seeing 10 hours about an hour ago. We are in a generation of spinning disc hard drives, they all will fail one time or another. Point being, have a bowl, and trust DPR and the staff I say. I will be cautions if tomorrow night we have not herd something.

-F&H
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: bjman on November 10, 2012, 07:27 am
I suppose there's the possibility that DPR went to sleep around the time the outage began, and is just now waking up and making breakfast  ;D
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: dingowombat on November 10, 2012, 07:30 am
I suppose there's the possibility that DPR went to sleep around the time the outage began, and is just now waking up and making breakfast  ;D

I'm picturing a high-speed car chase through the streets leaving a wake of destruction in their wake. DPR in the back hacking wirelessly into SR to destroy the last evidence. ;-)
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: thernabulax on November 10, 2012, 07:38 am
All of you SR old dogs would know better than me about what a normal response would be from admin/DPR... what's the typical response rate to SR issues?

Godspeed to DPR either way.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: BlarghRawr on November 10, 2012, 07:54 am
Not much of a tech guy but if it was taken down by LE or even some hackers wouldn't they shut down the main site and forum?

I'm sure DPR and his team are rushing to get this fixed that's the reason they aren't replying.
Forum seems to be on different servers than the Road, so the forums would have to get individually targeted... and they are doing much less business. It would be hard to hit both at the same time. And given that no onion-site(that I'm aware of) has been dropped(by the feds), that didn't previously compromise itself with retarded methods(thefarmersmarket), I would say both are probably safe.
All of you SR old dogs would know better than me about what a normal response would be from admin/DPR... what's the typical response rate to SR issues?

Godspeed to DPR either way.
I can answer this. Problems would get solved without a word until afterwards.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: jurdermunkie on November 10, 2012, 08:01 am
doesn't matter to junkies why. All most of us care about is when lol. Take away our money and sources , you will have issues nobody wants to deal with. That was a joke this is a hypothetical question: If you were prolly millions of btc's on the plus side,nobody really knew who you were or where you were and you had slightest notion that SR was compromised what would you do? Run risk of being found out or walk away a millionaire? Most would say walk but in reality greed is very powerful and will keep you  hostage. Not saying anything is like that just a hypo question.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: DocOck on November 10, 2012, 08:03 am
I suppose there's the possibility that DPR went to sleep around the time the outage began, and is just now waking up and making breakfast  ;D

I'm picturing a high-speed car chase through the streets leaving a wake of destruction in their wake. DPR in the back hacking wirelessly into SR to destroy the last evidence. ;-)

i can dig the high speed chase scenario... now, who will be playing DPR in the movie??? Depp? Benecio? ...please dear god, not Tom Cruise!!!!
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: BlarghRawr on November 10, 2012, 08:08 am
doesn't matter to junkies why. All most of us care about is when lol. Take away our money and sources , you will have issues nobody wants to deal with. That was a joke this is a hypothetical question: If you were prolly millions of btc's on the plus side,nobody really knew who you were or where you were and you had slightest notion that SR was compromised what would you do? Run risk of being found out or walk away a millionaire? Most would say walk but in reality greed is very powerful and will keep you  hostage. Not saying anything is like that just a hypo question.
The problem is cashing out as a millionaire. That will get noticed.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: Mangazi on November 10, 2012, 08:27 am
doesn't matter to junkies why. All most of us care about is when lol. Take away our money and sources , you will have issues nobody wants to deal with. That was a joke this is a hypothetical question: If you were prolly millions of btc's on the plus side,nobody really knew who you were or where you were and you had slightest notion that SR was compromised what would you do? Run risk of being found out or walk away a millionaire? Most would say walk but in reality greed is very powerful and will keep you  hostage. Not saying anything is like that just a hypo question.
The problem is cashing out as a millionaire. That will get noticed.

Yeah but how does one successfully launder the money though? I am dreaming of a future where I can be a vendor on SR, but what I don't understand is how you're supposed to actually be able to use the money once you start pulling in dollars by the thousands and you're unemployed. Are you going to get busted for tax evasion like many drug dealers have in the past?
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: KarmaPharm on November 10, 2012, 08:41 am
I would love it if they made a movie... Hell even a book. I would read it.

But yea I would kill to hear what the ETA is on the site coming back up.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: beaner on November 10, 2012, 08:50 am
how many hours now has the outage been? Freakin a little holding some btc in there. some news would be a relief.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: johnmtl on November 10, 2012, 08:53 am
how many hours now has the outage been? Freakin a little holding some btc in there. some news would be a relief.

Its been down for me since Nov 9, 10:30 AM EST
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: KarmaPharm on November 10, 2012, 08:57 am
how many hours now has the outage been? Freakin a little holding some btc in there. some news would be a relief.

Its been down for me since Nov 9, 10:30 AM EST

Nobody cares about you. Where's mr ouid? lol
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: beaner on November 10, 2012, 08:57 am
What has been the longest SR has been down?
 Iv'e been a member for 3months but haven't encountered an outage like this before..
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: KarmaPharm on November 10, 2012, 08:59 am
What has been the longest SR has been down?
 Iv'e been a member for 3months but haven't encountered an outage like this before..

It was down for like a week once I believe. But the sign in page said "Down for Maintenance" then. SO this is prolly just a short run deal
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: beaner on November 10, 2012, 09:01 am
What has been the longest SR has been down?
 Iv'e been a member for 3months but haven't encountered an outage like this before..

It was down for like a week once I believe. But the sign in page said "Down for Maintenance" then. SO this is prolly just a short run deal
Sign in page said down for maintenance?
I didn't even get that?
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: kitkat82 on November 10, 2012, 10:06 am
I have been trying to get on to finalize an order for about 2 days now.  I managed to get on Thursday evening but it was not up for long enough to reven open the order section and finalize.

I think something is up.  Just have a feeling this time.  I think some type of attack is happening and keeping the main site from working.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: sinnfein1488 on November 10, 2012, 10:07 am
Honestly most members here will be growing more concerned with each failed login attempt. Myself, if I can't access within 24 hours from now, my concern would start to grow. But as others said, if this place was being taken over by feds, they would make sure it was up and running to continue with their investigation.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: kitkat82 on November 10, 2012, 10:12 am
Honestly most members here will be growing more concerned with each failed login attempt. Myself, if I can't access within 24 hours from now, my concern would start to grow. But as others said, if this place was being taken over by feds, they would make sure it was up and running to continue with their investigation.

Is it possible that they could hack into silk road?  I mean is it at all possible that anyone could hack into the system?  I don't know enough about the technology but it seems to me that the feds could be attempting to get in as an administrator and the repeated attacks are what is causing the problems.  Just a notion.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: stateless on November 10, 2012, 10:16 am
The feds employ hackers, and they have the resources to pay for the best.  When silkroad comes back up, be wary of what is real and what is scheme.
Be very careful with your data.   
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: bonaQua on November 10, 2012, 10:21 am
What has been the longest SR has been down?
 Iv'e been a member for 3months but haven't encountered an outage like this before..

It was down for like a week once I believe. But the sign in page said "Down for Maintenance" then. SO this is prolly just a short run deal
Sign in page said down for maintenance?
I didn't even get that?

It doesnt say that now, hes talking about some week-long maintenance in the past.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: Japan1980 on November 10, 2012, 10:33 am
Maybe DPR has pulled off the ultimate scam - unlikely but just a thought that popped into my mind. Realistically he could have took everyone's bitcoins (both vendors and buyers) and retired in the Bahamas..... unlikely scenario, but a possibility.

The site was never going to last forever, hopefully this isn't the end.

Fortunately for me all my orders were in transit and I only had 0.28 BTC in my wallet.

But to be fair to anyone one with a large wallet, I would be extremely concerned.

Hope it comes back - purely so you can all access your coins. I think if it does come back I'll be calling it a day, as it's only a matter of time before it gets compromised or something else. SR was so efficient that it was gaining so many members, too many. The more people that knew about it the riskier it gets.

For all you guys sake - I hope this is just down for maintenance, or something similar.

All the Best  8)

J.   
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: sinnfein1488 on November 10, 2012, 12:58 pm
Maybe DPR has pulled off the ultimate scam - unlikely but just a thought that popped into my mind. Realistically he could have took everyone's bitcoins (both vendors and buyers) and retired in the Bahamas..... unlikely scenario, but a possibility.

The site was never going to last forever, hopefully this isn't the end.

Fortunately for me all my orders were in transit and I only had 0.28 BTC in my wallet.

But to be fair to anyone one with a large wallet, I would be extremely concerned.

Hope it comes back - purely so you can all access your coins. I think if it does come back I'll be calling it a day, as it's only a matter of time before it gets compromised or something else. SR was so efficient that it was gaining so many members, too many. The more people that knew about it the riskier it gets.

For all you guys sake - I hope this is just down for maintenance, or something similar.

All the Best  8)

J.   

Yeah, I think registration should be closed until they can safely handle the current traffic and calm things down a bit. Like you said, right nor SR is almost too efficient for it's own good, as the more popular it gets, the riskier it is. I also hope this isn't the end, and I highly doubt it is, but I'm certainly glad I only had 4.3BTC in my wallet. Although I do need to finalize an order or two.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: WinterMoon on November 10, 2012, 01:29 pm
I just think it's strange that DPR or another admin hasn't been on to give us any sort of update on the site's status.  Not trying to jump to conclusions or fearmonger.  It just seems strange.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass but DPR posted an important update about a week ago, maybe you missed it:  http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=64627.0;topicseen

I think what's going on is growing pains - nothing more. Apparently, this kind of site can't be scaled up without compromising security.  I have every faith in DPR and the SR Admin folks - they'll get this sorted, we just need to have some patience.  Cheers!
 :-*

Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: modziw on November 10, 2012, 01:37 pm
I'l tell you what, to all the fuckers who complained about the speed a few weeks ago, Look What You Did Now Dummies!

You broke the whole damn thing!

I bet you wish you had the old slow-ass SR now instead of 500 btc's tied up in never-nerver land.

Shit.

Modzi

 >:(   Whaaaaaaa!
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: gazwel on November 10, 2012, 01:41 pm
Scaremongering helps no one people.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: onepostchump on November 10, 2012, 03:14 pm
I agree. Lots of btc's with no way to get them gonna fester and turn to rage pretty quick with some people.

those ppl shudnt be here in the 1st place - this isnt biglots - its also not scoring shit in the ghetto at three in the morning
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: wretched on November 10, 2012, 03:17 pm
I would rather them silently fix the problem than spend a bunch of time telling us they are working on it. They acknowledged the problem earlier (before the outage) but they don't need to spend their time calming the herd themselves. It is up to us to remain calm and positive!
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: Lucius Luv on November 10, 2012, 03:26 pm
some of the stupid comments in this thread are a bit astounding...  first off.. common sense should tell everyone you can't just run off with all the bitcoins, that would render them worthless.

if i was dpr, i would be a nazi and ban the disrespectful members.  looking at many of the comments, seems like some feel they are entitled to SR.  Don't take this situation for granted. Your part of the revolution but acting like bitches.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: JezuzWazaMushroom on November 10, 2012, 04:06 pm
Respect works both ways! When people are paying you good money to use a service, whether illegal or not, not to mention you have their belongings in your trust they rely on and you are refusing to advise them of what you are doing with their belongings, I would call that extremely disrespectful. As a former drug dealer, if someone had my money and was avoiding me they would get a fucking smack uspside the head for it. Think about it...
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: mickymisseri on November 10, 2012, 04:19 pm
I'm confident the site will come back soon. So much more money he could make instead of one single scam run.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: tommygun on November 10, 2012, 04:21 pm
Well, one way to control the rapid growth is shut the site down for a while :)
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: asafa on November 10, 2012, 04:26 pm
I think the odds are pretty poor that we ever see SR again. Better start accepting that, and it's no wonder cause it was too good to be true anyway ;). Too bad, really, I got addicted to the service more than the drugs delivered.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: onepostchump on November 10, 2012, 04:26 pm
Respect works both ways! When people are paying you good money to use a service, whether illegal or not, not to mention you have their belongings in your trust they rely on and you are refusing to advise them of what you are doing with their belongings, I would call that extremely disrespectful. As a former drug dealer, if someone had my money and was avoiding me they would get a fucking smack uspside the head for it. Think about it...

wow threatening violence - ur a real class act now arent u - no wonder u are a 'former' dealer

ur the guy who just dumped 150 coins on the road - u said u can't afford it lol - then there's another hiccup - now u revert to the only thing u know - threats of violence

Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: JezuzWazaMushroom on November 10, 2012, 04:31 pm
Way to take what I say out of context idiot. As for not affording it, no I couldn't afford to BUY SOMEONE ELSE 2K's WORTH OF SHIT... CAN YOU FAGGOT? That's not all I have tied up in that account so neck up you doss cunt you're a parrot!
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: TheGoodSon on November 10, 2012, 04:34 pm
Dude, chill out.

Venders have more money tied up in escrow than you make in a whole year. Your little amount of money is inconsequential and frankly, you're making us all look bad. If the road is down, it's down. No amount of belly aching is going to fix that. You should have known there were risks.. if you didn't and this is permanent, chalk it up as a lesson learned.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: samcrow on November 10, 2012, 04:39 pm
the site is down guys.

Game over

Cheerio!

goodbye
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: JezuzWazaMushroom on November 10, 2012, 04:41 pm
You don't need me to make you look bad. Perhaps you have no mirrors at home or you're blind and can't figure out for yourself you have down syndrome. As for what I make in a yera, how the fuck would you know what I make? Beat it ya goon!
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: asafa on November 10, 2012, 04:44 pm
If DPR wants everyones coins in the end this is the time to do it. If the road comes back online, there will be a lot less coins hanging on peoples accounts as this creates uncertainty. Put yourself in DPR:s shoes and think about it, who wouldn't do it at some point cause everyone knows SR is going to be temporary. At least I would.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: NOTspacecase on November 10, 2012, 04:51 pm
Fucks sake people the site is down and you were even informed by dpr before it happened.
There has barely been a rational thought by anyone in this thread, what are you all on drugs?!
What do you have to be reminded every hour by dpr himself to feel comfortable, fuck.
I know a lot of you are new and this happened about once a month for awhile with no explanations.

TLDR;

Get over it, have some patients and stop making threads like this trying to stir shit up.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: weelili on November 10, 2012, 05:16 pm
i agree, chill the fuck out.
yes, it would be great timing seeing that the site just had trouble a few days ago with registrations being closed, then back open. but could also be that the news of srs registrations being closed and then opened again made a ton more people register. also everything has server issues from time to time and im somewhat sure sr is not some huge company with 100+ employees. even google has downtime.
also, its saturday. we know nothing by now. the guy couldve been on a flight for 20 hours then got to bed and sleep 10 hours then get breakfast and so on.
i say wait at least until monday, before jumping to any conclusions.

as far as sr going back up all le compromised, i dont think thats going to happen. just buy from trusted sellers and continue to use gpg, and all should be good even if the site was run on le servers. thats the genius part and why its so safe.
as for money, obviously there is an inherent risk. its an online drug market. still its very understandable that people get upset if they have bad luck.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: Nellion on November 10, 2012, 07:57 pm
I was able to log on yesterday (Friday the 9th) from about 3:00-5:00 and again at 6:00-7:00. This constant on and off is frustrating, but the main thing I'm really worried about are my damn bitcoins!
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: jurdermunkie on November 10, 2012, 11:00 pm
doesn't matter to junkies why. All most of us care about is when lol. Take away our money and sources , you will have issues nobody wants to deal with. That was a joke this is a hypothetical question: If you were prolly millions of btc's on the plus side,nobody really knew who you were or where you were and you had slightest notion that SR was compromised what would you do? Run risk of being found out or walk away a millionaire? Most would say walk but in reality greed is very powerful and will keep you  hostage. Not saying anything is like that just a hypo question.
The problem is cashing out as a millionaire. That will get noticed.


Yeah but how does one successfully launder the money though? I am dreaming of a future where I can be a vendor on SR, but what I don't understand is how you're supposed to actually be able to use the money once you start pulling in dollars by the thousands and you're unemployed. Are you going to get busted for tax evasion like many drug dealers have in the past?



I doubt very seriously that all those btc's have just sat in one spot not cashed in. You send it out through many wallets little by little. Thats why btc are perfect for laundering. At this point yeah millionaire already.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: danknugsdun on November 10, 2012, 11:03 pm
Just don't evade taxes, pay them...

Dank
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: Malignancy on November 10, 2012, 11:08 pm
ZOMG DEY TERK R DREGS!
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: jurdermunkie on November 10, 2012, 11:10 pm
I agree. Lots of btc's with no way to get them gonna fester and turn to rage pretty quick with some people.

those ppl shudnt be here in the 1st place - this isnt biglots - its also not scoring shit in the ghetto at three in the morning

What? So people shouldn't get upset when their money is tied up with no way to get it? I don't give a fuck if it was biglots or chucky cheese. Point is people will get more and more outraged as more time goes by except you I suppose.
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: happyroller1234 on November 10, 2012, 11:17 pm
The Road has been difficult to access for at least the last 5 or so days.  It would take me multiple attempts and minutes wasted trying to connect.  And this is day two of no successful connections, on my part anyway.  I really hope everything is OK, and that the servers are just being upgraded.  Honestly, I just want to see if my order shipped! :/
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: Bottrop on November 10, 2012, 11:27 pm
Calm down. Have faith.

 :)
Title: Re: When do we become concerned? I find the lack of information disconcerting....
Post by: jameslink2 on November 10, 2012, 11:33 pm
The feds employ hackers, and they have the resources to pay for the best.  When silkroad comes back up, be wary of what is real and what is scheme.
Be very careful with your data.

LOL, the feds employ hackers but only ones with high end degrees in computer science who could not hack their way out of a wet paper bag.

I have spoken with many of the "Hackers" the feds employ. In the early 80's we would have called them wantabees, kiddies, and fanners.