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Title: Girls and relationships
Post by: dupas on June 22, 2013, 06:59 pm
Hi everybody!

I would be interested if there are guys (and maybe girls) who handle relationships similar to me. I'm older and in the last decades every relationship, except two which were quite some time ago, went like this:
I get her known. we start dating and have sex pretty soon (Usually first or second date). I already know that i don't want a "real" relationship with her and tell her that after a few weeks, when the topic comes up in which direction our relationship is going. It is fine for her and so we decide to have a sexual relationship. Everything goes well for some time, we meet quite often and have a lot of sex :). Suddenly she tells me that she felt in love with me and wants to be together with me, but i don't. Now there are two possibilities:
.) She decides to quit the relationship, cause she feels sad since i don't want a relationship with her, or
.) she continues our sexual relationship, because she thinks that i eventually change my mind. But i don't. In this case i continue till i get bored and sex with her doesn't excite me anymore.

Since this happend SO often, i wonder what is wrong with me ;) Is anybody experiencing the same? I hope that i expressed myself clear, since i'm pretty high.

dupas



Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: tedrux on June 22, 2013, 08:40 pm
don't have sexual relations. just treat them like royalty. the girls who your having problems with now will be turned off because likely they want only the unatainable.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: dupas on June 25, 2013, 04:29 pm
no one having sex/relationships here? lol
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: zxydwx3 on June 25, 2013, 04:36 pm
My lady friend is a similar situation. We were dating seriously a couple years ago, but I wasn't prepared to move to be closer to her, so we split up. In the last year, we've been hanging out from time to time. I just have too much going on in my life, with work, volunteering and my kid, so I can't commit to being in a girlfriend / boyfriend situation.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: The Missus on June 25, 2013, 04:51 pm
You shouuuld just find a fuck buddy before you run into a Jodi Arias type situation.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: AnonymousAddict on June 25, 2013, 04:54 pm
You shouuuld just find a fuck buddy before you run into a Jodi Arias type situation.

^ Great advice! Fuck um and move on to the next..
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: 2marijuanaman on June 25, 2013, 06:10 pm
Yeah, hump & dump!

No seriously though. Am I the only guy who actually wants a serious relationship with a girl. Things go fine for a little while until we both realize were like clinging onto eachother, then things deteriorate after that. I've only fucked a girl I didnt even know once at a bus stop, other than that just in what I thought were serious relationships. (But then again I just graduated high school so idk. Is hump & dump the way to live life?)
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: Juggernog on June 25, 2013, 06:12 pm
Agreed, but I do believe dupas is trying to just keep this girl as a fuck buddy, but is worried she will "fall in love"
I have had this happen with a fuck buddy.. Guess she liked more then just my dick. :)
Really all you can do is be honest. If you loose this one, find another. It seems you don't have problems with finding women.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: FreedomFlyer on June 25, 2013, 06:14 pm
I'm extremely envious of you Dupas...
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: The Missus on June 25, 2013, 06:35 pm
Yeah, if there's one thing that guys can do to insure that you won't turn a girl too fucking insane, is to BE HONEST. Honesty is the best policy. Don't tell a girl you love her if you don't. Don't tell a girl that you're going to be in a relationship with her if you're not. Then again, girls should be straightforward too. Girls should tell a guy what she wants before she starts giving anything up. It saves A LOT of time on both parts.
I'm young but I think I'm too old for that fuck buddy stuff, I just don't think I'd enjoy fucking a random stranger from a club like most people my age do. I'm loving my relationship right now :D My bf believes that our success is because he feels like he wants/needs to please, and I like to be pleased. It's strange but it works. He tells me to want want want, give a little, and want more. And to not be a bitch :D

But yeah, don't turn a girl into a Jodi, and don't hook up with a Jodi either.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: redalloverthelandguyhere on June 25, 2013, 06:47 pm
Never tell a women you love her just to get laid.

And, be careful because hell has no fury like a women scorned!

A buddy of mine done prison over a 'booty call' who 'fell in love' and then decided to tell the cops about his little sideline of selling E.

A few thousand tablets, my buddy spent 5 years planning his after jail party with hookers who don't fall in love and he has learnt to keep quiet.

Given the nature of SR, I'd advise anyone ou there to weigh up their stash, weigh up the potenial for mayhem and either go for a one night stand out of town or look for a women or man you can actually date first.

You can try and bang thousands of women/men, but you only need one in the end.

It makes for a jail free life.

Jail is full of guys who thought they were playing some chick who ends up picking up a phone or telling the cops after some drunken argument. Happens all the time!

Life is a lot easier when you got some trust. For a man, the women you choose to be with, is make or break!

Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: The Missus on June 25, 2013, 06:51 pm
Never tell a women you love her just to get laid.

And, be careful because hell has no fury like a women scorned!

A buddy of mine done prison over a 'booty call' who 'fell in love' and then decided to tell the cops about his little sideline of selling E.

A few thousand tablets, my buddy spent 5 years planning his after jail party with hookers who don't fall in love and he has learnt to keep quiet.

Given the nature of SR, I'd advise anyone ou there to weigh up their stash, weigh up the potenial for mayhem and either go for a one night stand out of town or look for a women or man you can actually date first.

You can try and bang thousands of women/men, but you only need one in the end.

It makes for a jail free life.

Jail is full of guys who thought they were playing some chick who ends up picking up a phone or telling the cops after some drunken argument. Happens all the time!

Life is a lot easier when you got some trust. For a man, the women you choose to be with, is make or break!

AMEN! 8)
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: dupas on June 27, 2013, 07:47 pm
I'm extremely envious of you Dupas...

Actually it's not so hard to start relationships with girls. A short tutorial:
.) Go outside. Easier to get girls know: Private parties. Harder: bars/clubs ...
.) Be interested in her, listen to what she says. Ask more questions. Good topics: Relationships, Relationships you had with other girls. Fun fact: Many girls are interested in guys that had many girls and are experienced. Don't brag about stuff you achieved. Talk more about her life and emotional stuff. Tease them. Be charming.
.) If you are finally at her place, don't be shy. Just start touching her. Many girls like dominant guys. Shy guys turn them off. Make sex enjoyable for them, don't be selfish. Otherwise they won't like to meet you again ;)

If anybody is interested, i can write a little bit on how to get anal sex ;)
Puhh ... i'm high as fuck. haha!

dupas
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: slirp on June 27, 2013, 09:04 pm
I haven't been in a lot of relationships but the women I've been with definitely attach themselves to me.  The ones open to inviting another girl into the bedroom quickly get jealous as fuck.

I should really just give college girls mdma and have sex with them without telling them where I live.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: MangoSeason on June 27, 2013, 11:52 pm
I should really just give college girls mdma and have sex with them without telling them where I live.

Funniest thing I've read all week, cheers mate!
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: Juggernog on June 28, 2013, 04:22 am
I should really just give college girls mdma and have sex with them without telling them where I live.

Funniest thing I've read all week, cheers mate!

GHB
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: slirp on June 28, 2013, 05:05 pm
I should really just give college girls mdma and have sex with them without telling them where I live.

Funniest thing I've read all week, cheers mate!

GHB

f that I'm saving the GHB for myself.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: Trappy on June 29, 2013, 01:49 am
I should really just give college girls mdma and have sex with them without telling them where I live.

Funniest thing I've read all week, cheers mate!

GHB

f that I'm saving the GHB for myself.

GHB is great stuff, but expensive if you can't buy in bulk.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: oldtoby on June 29, 2013, 01:56 am
Not my pattern, Dumas, but I believe what you've described to be common enough to be a cliche (no offence intended).

Partly because someone developing feelings is the most common way for fuck buddies to run into trouble (if everything is going well, it's not like the opposite, detachment, is going to be much of a problem), and partly because it's kind of stereotypically standard (at least for a previous generation) that the woman will fall for the guy once they start sleeping together - that whole mixing sex and love thing - which may or may no longer be all that common.

That's my $.02, anyway.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: kneotac on June 29, 2013, 10:04 am
Definitely fun to have random sex and multiple partners, but if these relationships last too long they inevitably end with one party desiring more than the previous arrangement intended.

Find someone you can love and respect and just enjoy time with (even not having sex ;-)

Kneo
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: dupas on June 29, 2013, 02:38 pm
Definitely fun to have random sex and multiple partners, but if these relationships last too long they inevitably end with one party desiring more than the previous arrangement intended.

Yeah, the first times it was fun, but nowadays it is just tiring me. Even though I'm never the one who falls in love, i believe that  these relationships don't do me good emotionally and make it harder for me to start a real relationship.

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Find someone you can love and respect and just enjoy time with (even not having sex ;-)

I would love nothing more than to have a real relationship, but finding the right girl isn't that easy and it is getting harder for me the older i get. Having had many girls somehow destroys the ability to fall in love for me. I think it's connected that i know how all relationships end eventually and therefore i can't fall in a relationship without thinking how could end. I also know how easy girls betray their boyfriends, since i was many times the one whom they betrayed their boyfriend with ...

Something that might also be connected with experience & my age:
Sex is sometimes repulsing for me. It is just not as it used to be for me when i was younger. For example anal sex: It was really exciting having anal sex with a girl, especially if it is the first time for her, but nowadays when a get a new girl know which hasn't had anal sex, things exactly go the way like with all the girls before. It is just a repetition of stuff i have experienced before and that makes it boring.
Sex becomes just mechanical with hardly any emotion involved. For the girls it's mostly fun, but for me there aren't any feelings involved.

Yeah, i have no idea what is wrong with me.
I hope that i expressed myself clear, cause i'm again high as fuck. Being high all the time would be nice, since then i wouldn't have to think about all this shit.

dupas
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: roundhead on June 29, 2013, 02:39 pm
I haven't been in a lot of relationships but the women I've been with definitely attach themselves to me.  The ones open to inviting another girl into the bedroom quickly get jealous as fuck.

I should really just give college girls mdma and have sex with them without telling them where I live.

Brilliant
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: mrjohndank on June 29, 2013, 02:41 pm
no one having sex/relationships here? lol
Everyone is talking about it but no one is doing it . :D
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: BeepBeep on June 29, 2013, 02:50 pm
She obviously likes something about you... Maybe that something was part of the reason you ever got to have sex with her. Just accept that she feels that way and do whatever you want to do about it. Personally I would stop it there for many reasons. Then stick to one night stands as many are suggesting.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 29, 2013, 02:50 pm
On to the next one.

On to the next one.

On to the next one.

On to the next one.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: Trappy on June 29, 2013, 03:05 pm
No relationship, but I do get lucky.

Often.


Accumulate some fwbs and you'll be all the happier for it.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: lady meth on June 29, 2013, 04:27 pm
I'm extremely envious of you Dupas...



If anybody is interested, i can write a little bit on how to get anal sex ;)
Puhh ... i'm high as fuck. haha!

dupas




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hit me with yer best shot bro!!!!!!       lmmfao
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: JohnRambo on June 29, 2013, 04:31 pm
You're doing the right thing, man. Just use American/western women for sex and then dump them. They are useless for anything other than sex. They don't cook, they don't clean, they make horrible wives, etc. Just pump and dump them.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: dupas on June 29, 2013, 07:40 pm
Since i'm quite high and have nothing to do, i'll tell my SR-brothers how to get anal sex with a girl they have an relationship with. Actually this works also with one-night-stands ;)

The first and most important rule: Never ever ask a girl, if she'd like to try anal sex. I repeat never ask! The trick is that girls like to be dominated and are excited by guys doing kinky stuff with them. Of course there are exceptions to this rule, but in general you are safe to assume, that it is like this ;)

So the next time you have sex you start playing a little bit with her butthole, i.e. rub it gently, stick your finger in a bit and so on. Important: Use some natural lubricant (spit or her pussy juice), otherwise it will be not comfortable for her which will drag us away from our goal to stick our dick in. Also do it when she is already really horny, cause in that state of mind she won't have the power to resist ;). The main point is that being touched on the butthole feels for EVERY girl nice, the only reason they don't like to try it in the first place is that they think it is too kinky or dirty down there ...
Good positions: If she is on top, spread her cheeks and play with her butthole. While licking her pussy or rubbing her clit is also a good situation to check her butt out :)
Continue with this anal games for the next times you have sex. Either she asks by herself if you want to stick your dick in the next time -> won. If not try it yourself ;). For example, if she lies on her side with the back to you, use a lot of spit to make your dick wet and take even more spit for her asshole. Then start rubbing with your penis against her butthole. After doing this for quite some time (don't try it too fast!) you can point your dick at her butthole and push your dick against it. Never use to much force, otherwise it will hurt her.

at this point some general note:
Tightness of butts greatly differ between women. Some are tight as fuck. With these ones it takes a lot of time to finally have anal sex. You will notice that is already hard to get more than one finger up their butt. Sometimes this is connected to the fact that they are not relaxed enough, but there are also anatomical differences btw. women.
Other chicks are really wide. In fact they are so wide, that you don't feel that much when you fuck them in the butt.

another important topic: hygiene.
in general you don't have to be afraid to have your dick covered in shit, but there is always the possibility. Countermeasures: Since in most cases you have your finger up her butt before you fuck her in the ass, you can check your finger after you inserted it. if there are shit stains on it, you know what you can expect for your dick  ;). i would also advice against anal sex if you can feel a turd with your finger.
Some might prefer using a condom. i never did ;)

I might write more later, or just ask. I doubt this text is of any use, but since it took some time to write it, i hit send now :)

dupas


 
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: southern m1 on June 30, 2013, 08:17 am
I also have problems meeting women to date for various reasons, ie. shyness, trust, ect
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: dupas on June 30, 2013, 08:54 pm
I also have problems meeting women to date for various reasons, ie. shyness, trust, ect

What you mean by trust? Elaborate ...
Have you had a gf before? How long your realtionships lasted?

dupas
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: southern m1 on June 30, 2013, 11:09 pm
Most of the people I have been with just use me for money and other things, also I know many who cheat on their boyfriends so that makes me wonder about anyone I'm with, not to mention trying to keep them unaware of anything illegal
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: dupas on July 07, 2013, 07:56 pm
Most of the people I have been with just use me for money ...

Oh, this sounds bad. How you noticed that?
I'm always generous to girls I'm with. I work and many girls i have been with were students and therefore i often invited them going out eating or on other occasions. As long as i haven't had the feeling that they exploit me, i never had a problem with being generous. Actually, i never felt exploited, but i don't know how i would notice it anyway ... haha

dupas
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: southern m1 on July 08, 2013, 04:35 am
I feel that they are due to the fact that they only want to get together if it involves me buying them something or receiving monetary assistance in someway, ie. dinner, gifts, short money for bill, concerts, vacations, ect. rarely do any ask "hey would you like to come hang out" and not ask for money nor do they ever treat me to anything or want to help me if I need a favor, always have to say hey I'll give you $50.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: dupas on July 14, 2013, 10:51 am
I feel that they are due to the fact that they only want to get together if it involves me buying them something or receiving monetary assistance in someway, ie. dinner, gifts, short money for bill, concerts, vacations, ect. rarely do any ask "hey would you like to come hang out" and not ask for money nor do they ever treat me to anything or want to help me if I need a favor, always have to say hey I'll give you $50.

Ohh ... this  does not sounds nice!
Yeah, relationships are not easy. My problem with girls: The relationship with them never felt "deep". I'm a guy that threats them most of the time nicely, sex is good/okay, we get good along, but somehow i feel replaceable. It's just nothing special.
I think i could never ever marry a girl and have kids with her, cause that would ruin my life for sure. Are there any guys here that made good experiences with getting married?

dupas
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: therabbithole on July 16, 2013, 04:07 pm
Having sex with this person and other person out there don't make any difference to you, but it sure makes a big difference to her. Leave her, that's the kindest thing you can do for her.  :)
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: dupas on July 18, 2013, 11:28 am
Hmm ... just quit the relationship with my girl. Damn, I don't know how to survive without sex. A life without sex is terrible :(
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: southern m1 on July 18, 2013, 02:36 pm
Ya it does suck. Just meet someone for the expressed purpose of sex. Why did you decide to end it wiith her?
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: dupas on July 18, 2013, 02:44 pm
Ya it does suck. Just meet someone for the expressed purpose of sex.

Easier said than done ;) It's a lot of work: Find a girl that you find attractive, she has to like you too of course, spend a lot of time with her and talk, talk, talk. At the moment that is just too exhausting for me ;). I'll do drugs instead. That is fun as well :)

Why did you decide to end it wiith her?

i wasn't attracted to her anymore. Sex wasn't as enjoyable as it was in the beginning. I was even a bit disgusted by her and her body. I know this sounds mean, but it is just like this and i can't do anything against it.

dupas
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: BlackIris on July 18, 2013, 04:06 pm
Since this happend SO often, i wonder what is wrong with me ;) Is anybody experiencing the same? I hope that i expressed myself clear, since i'm pretty high.

There's nothing wrong with you, it's just that what you cannot have you want to have at all costs, especially for women.
A real solution to your problems will never exist, because rest assured that sooner or later it will happen and there's nothing you can do about it.
The only real thing you can do, when you start seeing that she is starting to go beyond only sex is to do the opposite of what you do: fake that YOU is the one that is falling in love and cannot do without her. This will make her slowly turn away from you. But to work you must do it well and in full, you must become really like one that cannot live without her; if you do the thing half and half you actually do the opposite and then you are in even more trouble.
In short words: become attached like you are dependent from her and she will lose interest fast. Still, you will probably lose her anyway. It cannot exist a durable relationship as you would like to; it is a balance that cannot be kept long and one of the two will always become unbalanced.

This or you are lucky enough to find a poliamory woman, i.e. full open relationships with many men. Those women usually don't attach themselves because their concept of love is more ample and detached in itself; but it is extremely difficult to find a woman as that. The only women that are REALLY (not just by saying) capable of doing it are those that practice tantra in its full form.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: dupas on July 18, 2013, 04:59 pm


There's nothing wrong with you, it's just that what you cannot have you want to have at all costs, especially for women.

Interesting, a friend of mine mentioned this recently, when we had a chat about my relationships. I have to admit in all those years I never thought of that, but you are completely right: If a woman can't get someone easily, she feels challenged and put a lot effort in it. Also it's more exciting for them.
The opposite concept was known to me, i.e. if you show a woman too much that you want here, she gets bored and she loses interest. That is the worst mistake many men do, when they are interested in girls.
What is also kind of paradox: Many women are excited when you tell them that you are experienced and had sex with many girls. They always seemed to like it, when i told them about my former girls. For men it doesn't work this way ;)
 
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A real solution to your problems will never exist, because rest assured that sooner or later it will happen and there's nothing you can do about it.
The only real thing you can do, when you start seeing that she is starting to go beyond only sex is to do the opposite of what you do: fake that YOU is the one that is falling in love and cannot do without her. This will make her slowly turn away from you. But to work you must do it well and in full, you must become really like one that cannot live without her;

Yeah, I guess this would work, but I'm not good at faking and I want to honest with the girls :)

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This or you are lucky enough to find a poliamory woman, i.e. full open relationships with many men. Those women usually don't attach themselves because their concept of love is more ample and detached in itself; but it is extremely difficult to find a woman as that. The only women that are REALLY (not just by saying) capable of doing it are those that practice tantra in its full form.

Hmm ... this would be an option. But as you said those girl are hard to find.
Thanks for your input!

dupas
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: trellis017 on July 18, 2013, 08:18 pm
Hi everybody!

I would be interested if there are guys (and maybe girls) who handle relationships similar to me. I'm older and in the last decades every relationship, except two which were quite some time ago, went like this:
I get her known. we start dating and have sex pretty soon (Usually first or second date). I already know that i don't want a "real" relationship with her and tell her that after a few weeks, when the topic comes up in which direction our relationship is going. It is fine for her and so we decide to have a sexual relationship. Everything goes well for some time, we meet quite often and have a lot of sex :). Suddenly she tells me that she felt in love with me and wants to be together with me, but i don't. Now there are two possibilities:
.) She decides to quit the relationship, cause she feels sad since i don't want a relationship with her, or
.) she continues our sexual relationship, because she thinks that i eventually change my mind. But i don't. In this case i continue till i get bored and sex with her doesn't excite me anymore.

Since this happend SO often, i wonder what is wrong with me ;) Is anybody experiencing the same? I hope that i expressed myself clear, since i'm pretty high.

dupas

Go for guys instead.  I'd switch teams to get over their passive aggresivity and the all-too-frequent accompanying borderline personality disorder and get me a piece of Anderson Cooper any day.

Of course, this is coming from a 22 year old guy who needs viagra to get it up ... so maybe you shouldn't take my word for it.  ;)
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: Batin on July 18, 2013, 08:52 pm
I hear ya man, I have a similar problem, tho I think I am a little bit different. I am a romantic at heart, I love doing nice little things for a girl, so I often find myself in trouble when a girl falls in love with me, and I am only interested in her for sex and entertainment. I am often in your predicament. I think I am different than you tho, because I think my problem is that I just have not found the right girl. I have super high standards, I want a beautiful girl, gorgeous eyes, an amazing ass...breasts...whatever, im an ass man, and just as important as that is a good personality and intelligence. A stupid girl is a huge turn off for me, those are my one night stand type girls when all else fails, I just can't stand a stupid girl. The problem is, I have a hard time of finding a beautiful girl who is smart and funny who is also single and interested in me. I actually met a girl who I really got into, and we used to fuck once in a while, but she didn't feel for me the same I felt for her, so I ended up being the one who got hurt. Which sucks.

I don't know about you, maybe you just need to find the right girl as well, but I don't think there is anything wrong with you. If anything, I think there is something wrong with the standards of society and the expectations of women. If you are like me, us guys just need to find our queen, all the others are our play things. Not necessarily in a bad way, I am always up front about my intentions, if you are not, you are a d-bag. If that does not sound like you, if you are not a romantic like me, searching for a goddess, have not found the right girl that you want to stick around with, then I don't know. But I def feel you, I have felt the same way as you, like something is wrong with me for getting bored of beautiful girls. It is just that I can't see myself with them, there is something about them as a person that I don't want to get tangled up in for the rest of my life and sit on the sidelines while the goddess who would have made me happy is out there.

You say you are older, so maybe you are a little older than me, I am only in my 20's, but I def feel you, and I do not think anything is wrong with you. Possibly. I mean, maybe something is wrong with you and you are just never satisfied and you will piss away all your chances at love and end up a lonely old man dying alone, haha, who knows. I know that is a fear I have. But I think in reality I, and most likely you are alright, we just need to find the right girl.

Or maybe I am way off base, I don't know. I'm gonna go take another hit. hah.

cheers
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: SourGrapes on July 19, 2013, 12:31 am
Since i'm quite high and have nothing to do, i'll tell my SR-brothers how to get anal sex with a girl they have an relationship with. Actually this works also with one-night-stands ;)

The first and most important rule: Never ever ask a girl, if she'd like to try anal sex. I repeat never ask! The trick is that girls like to be dominated and are excited by guys doing kinky stuff with them. Of course there are exceptions to this rule, but in general you are safe to assume, that it is like this ;)

.....
dupas

LOL i'm surprised if this has worked for you on many occasions, most women i know DO NOT like to be 'surprised' with anal sex. the one guy who tried this with me got slapped in the face -- if you want to play with my ass you best damn well ask first, and that's the policy most women i know subscribe to.

anyway to the original topic: i've been through the fuckbuddy phases, and honestly by the time i hit my mid-twenties it was pretty old and boring. first of all, be clear with your intentions from the start -- if you're not, like someone else pointed out, you're being a douchebag.

have you tried getting to know a woman before getting sexually involved? as in more than just one or two dates.. i wouldnt sleep with a man on a first or second date, simply because i dont think it's possible to know someone well enough in that short time, to determine whether we're compatible for a relationship.. IME if you throw sex into a very new relationship, it takes out a lot of the fun of getting to know each other, the anticipation, the excitement of WANTING to be with them. delayed gratification can be much more satisfying sometimes. if you start sleeping with someone before you really know that you want to be with them, you may be losing interest because part of that 'chase,' the exciting fun part of getting to know someone, has been removed, and you've already got the sex, so you may be less inclined to be as interested in the rest of the package. just a thought.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: dupas on July 19, 2013, 05:44 am
@Batin: I think that I'm also still waiting for the right girl and I've been waiting already pretty long, cause I'm already in my late 20ies  ;). One sentence you  wrote exactly expresses my problem:
Quote from: Batin
It is just that I can't see myself with them, there is something about them as a person that I don't want to get tangled up in for the rest of my life ...

I liked every girl I have been with a lot and we had nice times together, but there was always something about them which made it impossible for me to start a relationship with them. Sometimes it's the way they look, which shouldn't mean that they were ugly, but their looks didn't attract me as much as they should. Or i didn't enjoy sex that much. Again: Sex was good, but not good enough for a relationship. Or i didn't like the way they dress. This is a pretty important point for me: I'm attracted to girls that dress well. Badly dressed girls turn me off.
 Anyways, maybe I'll find my girl in the future. I hope so, cause I begin to hate this sexual relationships. It is better than nothing, but far from what I want.
Of course I tell the girls that I'm not up for a "real" relationship beforehand. I'm a nice guy and not an idiot ;)
Batin, I'm an ass guy as well. I love nothing more than asses. It so fun to touch them and do even more stuff with them as you will see in the next paragraph ;)


Quote from: SourGrapes
LOL i'm surprised if this has worked for you on many occasions, most women i know DO NOT like to be 'surprised' with anal sex. the one guy who tried this with me got slapped in the face -- if you want to play with my ass you best damn well ask first, and that's the policy most women i know subscribe to.

Interesting, interesting! Yeah, anal sex worked quite often for me this way. Don't get me wrong, I don't just stick my dick up their ass. There is of course a lot of ass play going on before, so that they are relaxed :).
I think the main reason, why it works for me this way, is that the girls I start "relationships" with were pretty submissive and I'm sexually-wise dominant. This reflected in our sexual practices: They liked to get tied up, enjoyed being in doggy-style position so that I can see their pussy and ass well and me playing with both holes with my fingers and various kinds of dildos or them lying on their back with their legs widely spread and me having one finger or more up their ass while i rub their clit till they climax.
They were excited by the thought that they are completely passive and i do with them whatever i like to. It is a win-win situation, since i enjoy being the active part :)
Or maybe my approach won't work for you cause of cultural differences. I think not, but who knows ;) Are you from the US? I'm from western Europe. One thing I noticed, when being together with an american girl, was their different approach to hygiene. She always showered before and after sex, which was quite weird. I guess this had nothing to do with her being American, but with her being strange ;)

Quote from: SourGrapes
have you tried getting to know a woman before getting sexually involved? as in more than just one or two dates..

I can't wait that long, cause I want them so much. I want to touch their skin, kiss her, stroke her ass and pussy. Waiting too long, would make me go insane ;)

Quote from: SourGrapes
i wouldnt sleep with a man on a first or second date, simply because i dont think it's possible to know someone well enough in that short time, to determine whether we're compatible for a relationship..

That is true. If i would have waited longer till we had  sex for the first time, i would have noticed that a real relationship won't work out with them. But since we have sex early, it turns for me into a sexual relationship.

Quote from: SourGrapes
if you start sleeping with someone before you really know that you want to be with them, you may be losing interest because part of that 'chase,' the exciting fun part of getting to know someone, has been removed, and you've already got the sex, so you may be less inclined to be as interested in the rest of the package. just a thought.

Hmm ... I don't lose interest because the chase for sex is over, but because after a few months sex with them isn't that interesting anymore or because they get to close to me and I feel restricted by them ...

I hope I expressed myself not too unclear. I'm still high from yesterday :)

dupas
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: Stonedstupor on July 19, 2013, 06:01 am
I'm extremely envious of you Dupas...

Actually it's not so hard to start relationships with girls. A short tutorial:
.) Go outside. Easier to get girls know: Private parties. Harder: bars/clubs ...
.) Be interested in her, listen to what she says. Ask more questions. Good topics: Relationships, Relationships you had with other girls. Fun fact: Many girls are interested in guys that had many girls and are experienced. Don't brag about stuff you achieved. Talk more about her life and emotional stuff. Tease them. Be charming.
.) If you are finally at her place, don't be shy. Just start touching her. Many girls like dominant guys. Shy guys turn them off. Make sex enjoyable for them, don't be selfish. Otherwise they won't like to meet you again ;)

If anybody is interested, i can write a little bit on how to get anal sex ;)
Puhh ... i'm high as fuck. haha!

dupas

xanax bar and red wine. works every-damn-time!
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: ImTylerDurden on July 19, 2013, 10:54 am
I normally do not post, but even though I am in my early 20s, I feel like I am having a serious breakthrough with my success with women. I feel like I am obligated to post.

At this point I have lost almost all respect I have for women, and ironically enough I have somehow been getting pussy more and more easily as this lack of respect grows. I feel like Albert einstein whilst being in a room full of retards. I feel like 90% of girls that are cosmetically 7/10 or greater have 0 intelligence and just poor human beings in general. If you start fucking a girl that is in this 90%, take advantage of her and dont feel bad about it. they are not worth keeping around for anything more than casual purposes, and they will end up doing you wrong in the end if you actually make an effort to treat her as a human being should. Never bring up the topic of being in an official relationship, and if she brings up the topic just blow it off or tell her that "we are just having fun". Girls think they know what they want, but they really dont. they want to get fucked all the time, but they dont want to be a "slut". how many girls do you know that call other girls sluts? how many of these same girls fucked you on the first night? do not give them the courtesy of logic. do not tell them that they are your piece of meat. they are your piece of meat, but do not say it outloud. i dont know where i am going with this, but here is the analogy: you are alone in a room with a woman and a noose hanging from the ceiling. The woman asks you if you are going to hang her. As you explain to her that you would never do such a thing, you calmly start slipping the noose around her neck. when she asks why you would put a noose around her neck if you did not want to hang her, you explain that you simply just wanted to see if the rope was of high quality. as you proceed to put tension on the rope to lift her off the ground, you explain that you are simply just giving her feet a rest.

In the end, you did exactly what the woman told you not to do. all you did was presented things from a different perspective.

If a brought a girl home and for some reason she told me she didnt want to go into my room, I would start talking about this awesome thing on the computer (that is in my room) that I need to show her. So when I bring her into my room and sit her down at the computer, shes not breaking her rule, because shes simply just sitting at my computer, and not "going" into my room.

They are retarded creatures. they are narrow minded and are manipulated easily. eventually they are going to get rid of you after a few months regardless of your opinion. use them, and abuse them.

As for the other 10%, this is where I believe the actual wifeable population exists.

this all makes perfect sense in my head, but I doubt anyone will understand the point I am trying to get across.

TL;DR: WOMEN WILL DO ANYTHING YOU TELL THEM TO DO, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A REASON (doesnt matter how shitty of a reason it is) FOR THEMSELVES TO JUSTIFY THEIR ACTIONS. Take advantage of slutty women and dont ever feel bad about it.  taking a slutty woman seriously (in a relationship type setting) will just end in her chucking you out into the street based on the decision that her and her friends made in a 10 minute conversation based on exagerrated or false information.

the end.

ALSO

the key to pulling pussy is self amusement. cocky funny with a hint of arrogance always wins and nice guys ALWAYS finish last. Say rediculous shit that you find hilarious to yourself. women feel vibes and do not give a shit about the concrete information at hand. I could talk about how awesome it was mowing my lawn today and as long as I was into it she would be entertained.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: SourGrapes on July 19, 2013, 11:37 pm
wow @ TylerDurden. while i tend to agree that most women are stupid, i also have to point out most men are sex-obsessed douchebag morons. people, as a species, are gullible, naive, and tend to believe whatever it is they want to cling to. the fact that you can search out the dumbest, most easily-manipulated women doesn't make women less respectable -- it makes you less respectable, for thinking it's an appropriate thing to do to other human beings. being easily manipulated is certainly not exclusive to women -- why are there so many conventionally beautiful women getting by on looks alone? because PEOPLE LET THEM. because there are plenty of dick-led idiots (men) who will DO anything, SAY anything, and PAY anything, for a cute ass or a nice set of tits, just to get between her legs -- regardless of whether there's anything between her ears. and there are plenty of women who will take advantage of these morons, just as you take advantage of the stupid ladies. and yet, i'm guessing thats one of those things you complain about when you say you don't respect women. with that attitude, none of the intelligent ones will respect you either, and you'll be left with your own stupidity and the idiot girls you deserve.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: ImTylerDurden on July 21, 2013, 12:35 am
wow @ TylerDurden. while i tend to agree that most women are stupid, i also have to point out most men are sex-obsessed douchebag morons. people, as a species, are gullible, naive, and tend to believe whatever it is they want to cling to. the fact that you can search out the dumbest, most easily-manipulated women doesn't make women less respectable -- it makes you less respectable, for thinking it's an appropriate thing to do to other human beings. being easily manipulated is certainly not exclusive to women -- why are there so many conventionally beautiful women getting by on looks alone? because PEOPLE LET THEM. because there are plenty of dick-led idiots (men) who will DO anything, SAY anything, and PAY anything, for a cute ass or a nice set of tits, just to get between her legs -- regardless of whether there's anything between her ears. and there are plenty of women who will take advantage of these morons, just as you take advantage of the stupid ladies. and yet, i'm guessing thats one of those things you complain about when you say you don't respect women. with that attitude, none of the intelligent ones will respect you either, and you'll be left with your own stupidity and the idiot girls you deserve.

el oh el. you mad?

to be honest its hard to take you seriously because of your selective reading skills. In MY opinion, 90% of women are retarded. I am not "searching" for women that are easily manipulated. they are everywhere. And yes I do believe that most men can be easily manipulated by hot women.  based on how mad you are, I can tell that you're upset because you are probably not very physically attractive and have to deal with the hardship of being an unideal woman.  But really all it takes is one good girl to set the standard higher. I am currently seeing someone that I met less than 2 weeks ago. I treat her like gold, and she treats me the same way. I wouldnt take advantage of her in any situation and always display my utmost respect to her. But against your stereotype, I do not just spam random women with expensive dinner dates and drinks all night in hoping to get pussy via money.  And guess what, I would never take a relationship seriously with a woman that isn't sexy as fuck to me. Anyone that says "looks dont matter" is a naive and mad because they dont want to put in the work to look decent. You spend more time looking at your mate then talking to them, so why the fuck would looks not matter? How are you going to fuck someone for the rest of your life if you can't barely keep your hands off of each other?

So really theres a choice. Do I take advantage of stupid (most) women and get have the most fun and get laid the most? Or should I do the "moral" thing of not taking advantage of women, getting much less pussy, having way less fun, investing more time and money, just to get thrown to the curb eventually anyway? I never said it was the right thing to do, to take advantage of women. I said that it is just simply more worth it to take advantage.

Now hit the gym and put on some mascara, fatty.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: Stonedstupor on July 21, 2013, 07:04 am
wow @ TylerDurden. while i tend to agree that most women are stupid, i also have to point out most men are sex-obsessed douchebag morons. people, as a species, are gullible, naive, and tend to believe whatever it is they want to cling to. the fact that you can search out the dumbest, most easily-manipulated women doesn't make women less respectable -- it makes you less respectable, for thinking it's an appropriate thing to do to other human beings. being easily manipulated is certainly not exclusive to women -- why are there so many conventionally beautiful women getting by on looks alone? because PEOPLE LET THEM. because there are plenty of dick-led idiots (men) who will DO anything, SAY anything, and PAY anything, for a cute ass or a nice set of tits, just to get between her legs -- regardless of whether there's anything between her ears. and there are plenty of women who will take advantage of these morons, just as you take advantage of the stupid ladies. and yet, i'm guessing thats one of those things you complain about when you say you don't respect women. with that attitude, none of the intelligent ones will respect you either, and you'll be left with your own stupidity and the idiot girls you deserve.

el oh el. you mad?

to be honest its hard to take you seriously because of your selective reading skills. In MY opinion, 90% of women are retarded. I am not "searching" for women that are easily manipulated. they are everywhere. And yes I do believe that most men can be easily manipulated by hot women.  based on how mad you are, I can tell that you're upset because you are probably not very physically attractive and have to deal with the hardship of being an unideal woman.  But really all it takes is one good girl to set the standard higher. I am currently seeing someone that I met less than 2 weeks ago. I treat her like gold, and she treats me the same way. I wouldnt take advantage of her in any situation and always display my utmost respect to her. But against your stereotype, I do not just spam random women with expensive dinner dates and drinks all night in hoping to get pussy via money.  And guess what, I would never take a relationship seriously with a woman that isn't sexy as fuck to me. Anyone that says "looks dont matter" is a naive and mad because they dont want to put in the work to look decent. You spend more time looking at your mate then talking to them, so why the fuck would looks not matter? How are you going to fuck someone for the rest of your life if you can't barely keep your hands off of each other?

So really theres a choice. Do I take advantage of stupid (most) women and get have the most fun and get laid the most? Or should I do the "moral" thing of not taking advantage of women, getting much less pussy, having way less fun, investing more time and money, just to get thrown to the curb eventually anyway? I never said it was the right thing to do, to take advantage of women. I said that it is just simply more worth it to take advantage.

Now hit the gym and put on some mascara, fatty.

hahah this guy. +1
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: TheYowie on July 21, 2013, 09:41 pm
Tyler, your attitudes are bullshit.  Let me explain.

Firstly, I think it's great that you've found a way to get bimbos and damaged women to sleep with you.  In my early 20's I wish I'd had the skills to get more pussy because man, I sure could've done with some more, but you seem to have a system that works for you.  I'm sure you're a fairly handsome, white, middle class American kid too, so I'm sure that has helped with your access to easy bimbos, damaged daddy's girls, and girls called Britney. Nice work, I'm envious.

However, I have a problem with your statistics.  You make sweeping generalisations about a gender claiming that you 'know' about 90% of women and how they work and what they want, and you then proceed to make ridiculous claims based on that. A white middle class 20something knows about 90% of women huh?  Wow, you must be a hugely celebrated Anthropologist and researcher.

I was wondering, do you have any other well thoughtout stereotypical generalisations about 0.0000000000000000000000000001 of the world?  How do you feel about Blacks, Muslims or Jews perhaps?  The world really does need your opinion on these.

On a less scientific level, there is the slight issue of you being a bit of a cunt and thinking it's okay to hurt and use people just because you can.  I mean, 'no harm no foul' if you're turning on your charm and giving women what they want, but if you're just going around being a smarmy little privileged cunt with a chip on your shoulder and you've justified your actions to yourself by demonising and marginalising and entire gender based on nothing but your own gross prejudices and stereotypes, well then we have a problem.

Me personally, I think having a 'way with women' is great, and it's a skill I wish I had more of, but if the trade off was being a complete idiot and arsehole on a multiples of levels, I think I'd pass.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: SourGrapes on July 22, 2013, 10:04 pm
wow @ TylerDurden. while i tend to agree that most women are stupid, i also have to point out most men are sex-obsessed douchebag morons. people, as a species, are gullible, naive, and tend to believe whatever it is they want to cling to. the fact that you can search out the dumbest, most easily-manipulated women doesn't make women less respectable -- it makes you less respectable, for thinking it's an appropriate thing to do to other human beings. being easily manipulated is certainly not exclusive to women -- why are there so many conventionally beautiful women getting by on looks alone? because PEOPLE LET THEM. because there are plenty of dick-led idiots (men) who will DO anything, SAY anything, and PAY anything, for a cute ass or a nice set of tits, just to get between her legs -- regardless of whether there's anything between her ears. and there are plenty of women who will take advantage of these morons, just as you take advantage of the stupid ladies. and yet, i'm guessing thats one of those things you complain about when you say you don't respect women. with that attitude, none of the intelligent ones will respect you either, and you'll be left with your own stupidity and the idiot girls you deserve.

el oh el. you mad?

to be honest its hard to take you seriously because of your selective reading skills. In MY opinion, 90% of women are retarded. I am not "searching" for women that are easily manipulated. they are everywhere. And yes I do believe that most men can be easily manipulated by hot women.  based on how mad you are, I can tell that you're upset because you are probably not very physically attractive and have to deal with the hardship of being an unideal woman.  But really all it takes is one good girl to set the standard higher. I am currently seeing someone that I met less than 2 weeks ago. I treat her like gold, and she treats me the same way. I wouldnt take advantage of her in any situation and always display my utmost respect to her. But against your stereotype, I do not just spam random women with expensive dinner dates and drinks all night in hoping to get pussy via money.  And guess what, I would never take a relationship seriously with a woman that isn't sexy as fuck to me. Anyone that says "looks dont matter" is a naive and mad because they dont want to put in the work to look decent. You spend more time looking at your mate then talking to them, so why the fuck would looks not matter? How are you going to fuck someone for the rest of your life if you can't barely keep your hands off of each other?

So really theres a choice. Do I take advantage of stupid (most) women and get have the most fun and get laid the most? Or should I do the "moral" thing of not taking advantage of women, getting much less pussy, having way less fun, investing more time and money, just to get thrown to the curb eventually anyway? I never said it was the right thing to do, to take advantage of women. I said that it is just simply more worth it to take advantage.

Now hit the gym and put on some mascara, fatty.


you're pretty funny, in an inadvertently laughing-at-you-not-with-you kind of way. you apparently lack comprehension skills and are, like theyowie pointed out, a douche.  I never implied you shouldnt go out with people you find attractive -- that is human nature, that's what we're programmed to do. i've never so much as gone on a date with someone i find unattractive. and on that note, i've never had to pay for a drink, a vacation -- my car was bought for me, and it's certainly not because of which degree i have or what job title i hold. i take pride in all my positive attributes, rather than basing my thinking on "how stupid the men who bought these things are." my point, which you so poetically missed, was that i bet that kind of thing -- women taking advantage -- is likely part of why you hate women so much, making you a hypocrite and an idiot. i'm not the ass writing a mini how-to on taking advantage of people, because that reeks of assholery and inherent lack of respect for not just women, but human beings.

i dont have a problem with you dating or "having a way with women." i have a problem with your sweeping generalizations based on what i'm sure is not as much as experience as you'd like others to believe. i have a problem with this 90% thing you pulled from your ass, and the way you have implied that you view and treat what would be "most" women. i have a problem with your douchey attitude, and applying it generously to "90%." i also probably would have a problem if you started breeding. but, i couldn't care less if you get your dick wet. like theyowie said, i'm sure your access to damaged daddy's girls and easy bimbos has made that a blast for you. enjoy your siphilgonorrherpesaids. just try to be less of a giant seeping douche factory while you do it.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: Stridulate on July 23, 2013, 11:48 am
Well let me dissagree with @TylerDurden too.  I am quite a bit older than my 20's and have had a lot of sex and I have met a lot of smart, good looking women.  I meet dumb people too and suspect that TylerDurden thinks he is smarter than he is.  I am sure he is having fun but even when I was in my teens/twenties and looking to fuck anything that moved I wanted it to leave me and my partners feeling good about it and I look back now on lots of fun times and (hopefully) not being a callous shit, I still got laid a lot.

I am lucky to have a long term GF now who is smart, great in bed and likes getting high.  We both enjoy occaisional threesomes and similar, I doubt I would be having as much fun now if I had taken the TylerDurden approach....cos I wouldnt have many friends to play with.

Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: Believe on August 06, 2013, 12:50 pm
I'm probably the opposite of you guys. I don't know how to make "small talks"

Whenever I talk to girls I like, I get shy and don't know what to say and I freeze up :\ any tips on how to pick up girls? ;]

P.S. I'm in college and I want to enjoy my college life.. I don't see a very enjoyable college life the way my personality is right now..
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: jonnybones on August 07, 2013, 06:07 am
Wow, saw the title of this thread and thought I'd have a read but didn't expect to be reading for so long..interesting.  no offence but I'm not going to add to this really, I'll just post what I originally planned to.  'Guys - We want girls, so we put up with relationships'  'Girls - You want relationships, so you put up with guys'  am I right? thats all I've got anyway.
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Anyway needed a dose of hetrosexual talk seeing as though everytime I log on lately the first thing I read is the thread about the dude who did that thing for the first time, ya know the one?.  Just leaves a bad taste in the mouth really  ;) pun intended.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: southern m1 on August 07, 2013, 08:06 am
I saw that post to and thought to myself "wft"
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: Praetorian on August 07, 2013, 12:32 pm
Hi everybody!

I would be interested if there are guys (and maybe girls) who handle relationships similar to me. I'm older and in the last decades every relationship, except two which were quite some time ago, went like this:
I get her known. we start dating and have sex pretty soon (Usually first or second date). I already know that i don't want a "real" relationship with her and tell her that after a few weeks, when the topic comes up in which direction our relationship is going. It is fine for her and so we decide to have a sexual relationship. Everything goes well for some time, we meet quite often and have a lot of sex :). Suddenly she tells me that she felt in love with me and wants to be together with me, but i don't. Now there are two possibilities:
.) She decides to quit the relationship, cause she feels sad since i don't want a relationship with her, or
.) she continues our sexual relationship, because she thinks that i eventually change my mind. But i don't. In this case i continue till i get bored and sex with her doesn't excite me anymore.

Since this happend SO often, i wonder what is wrong with me ;) Is anybody experiencing the same? I hope that i expressed myself clear, since i'm pretty high.

dupas

Sounds like no one taught you delayed gratification.

            You'll would be surprised to find out how much more desirable you'll find the women in your life, if you hold back from having sex for a while.  Even if that sounds lame, it's not.  Let your mind dwell in it's curiosities for a while and you're bound to grow fonder.  It's virtually a law of nature.

From experience, I will say that is 100% true that we desire what we can't or shouldn't have, and we grow bored of things if they're not complicated enough for us.  When a girl throws herself at you... you will most likely treat her the exact same way that 95% of women would treat any ol' guy who threw themselves at her. 

I guess a bit of advice if you're just too fond of instant or short-term gratification to keep it in your pants that long... maybe you should do what I have always done, and see a few different girls until you find one who you actually want to be around after you cum.  I only find 1 out of about 20 females attractive, and I only find about 1 in 10 of those actually 'interesting' beyond physical form.  And this has worked for me. 

Some of us are just picky; we bore easy. 
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: southern m1 on August 08, 2013, 07:41 am
One thing that I can not seem to grasp is what I learned is called a "friend zone". I seem to be put into this frequently and figure its due to me being to nice, however if I'm not  that nice I'm just a dick..
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: SourGrapes on August 08, 2013, 11:23 pm
One thing that I can not seem to grasp is what I learned is called a "friend zone". I seem to be put into this frequently and figure its due to me being to nice, however if I'm not  that nice I'm just a dick..

theres a fantastic thing about the friend zone, though... you can build a good enough friendship with a girl that she begins to see your boyfriend qualities. getting into the friend zone, doesnt necessarily mean you're relegated to being "just a friend" forever. almost all my long-term relationships have come from guys in the "friend zone," who were there for me when the asshats did their douchebag thing, and i came to realize the guys i kept as friends seemed to be much less douchebaggy than the ones i ended up dating. i'm not saying take advantage when girls are down and on the rebound, as that almost never ends well, but, honestly i've had better relationships with guy friends than most people i set out to date.
Title: Re: Girls and relationships
Post by: southern m1 on August 09, 2013, 09:01 am
Thanks Sourgrapes, that's what I tell myself as well. Just hoping it works out one of these days lol.