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Title: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: zavance on January 09, 2012, 07:51 am
hey all

Just posting to see if anyone has purchased from this vendor? Aus dude who bought already, please update when/if you receive as well please :)

listing here: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/17059

Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: ColdFrost on January 09, 2012, 09:15 am
Yeah I saw this earlier. I am a bit weary since he is new, but then again everyone has to start somewhere. I am anxious for the review. If you going to start selling beans these White speakers are a good start if legit :).

ColdFrost
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: klutski on January 13, 2012, 01:50 am
ditto, i want to make my first purchase these look like the 1s. feedback looks good for delivery and they ship just two. but no 1 has reported the qulity of the goods,
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: marsvolta12 on January 13, 2012, 04:42 am
as always i am wary with a new seller, but i will wait to see how ratings go. i really want to try these goddamn speakers. they always seem to be so close, but then vanish
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: jewfro on January 16, 2012, 09:50 pm
jumped on this gun. ordered 3, coming into north americaz0rus. let's see what happens...
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Chemical Brothers on January 21, 2012, 12:48 pm
Hello,
Can not immediately have complete confidence as a new vendor.
But we try as best it can do. A lot of buyers there are not many honest and cheating.
That we wanted to say.
God bless you all
Regards C.B
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: racidacid on January 21, 2012, 12:50 pm
Ordered two cant wait to try these beasts :)
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: marsvolta12 on January 21, 2012, 06:43 pm
has anybody had any of these speakers arrive yet?
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: jewfro on January 21, 2012, 09:18 pm
has anybody had any of these speakers arrive yet?

son it's saturday, ain't NO mail coming today or tomo :C

that said, i got things from euk in about 5 business days this past while, so i have a feeling i should be getting some beautiful 6000Watters in the mail before this coming friday  8)
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: kolom0nster on January 21, 2012, 10:47 pm
real curious to hear about these... and success shipping to US.

I really want some good beans but I don't really trust shipping from NL.
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: racidacid on January 23, 2012, 02:37 pm
got mine today! speedy delivery to uk cant wait to eat em :)
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: TescoVee524 on January 24, 2012, 12:31 am
Still waitin on mine.  Hoping they get here before the weekend.
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: rusty on January 24, 2012, 12:44 am
has anybody had any of these speakers arrive yet?

yeah, arrived today, but I have no idea when I'll have a chance to sample.
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: marsvolta12 on January 24, 2012, 01:37 am
finally trusted reviews..... rusty if you don't mind me asking were you domestic or international? also how long did shipping take?
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: rusty on January 24, 2012, 03:20 am
Int 5 days
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: marsvolta12 on January 24, 2012, 03:32 am
thank you for the prompt response rusty, and chemical brothers you will be hearing from me as soon as i can muster together some btc
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Chemical Brothers on January 24, 2012, 05:13 am
 :)Always nice to hear positive messages
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: hihohiho on January 25, 2012, 09:55 pm
I ordered some on 1/16 to the ol' USA and they have still not arrived.  Marked "in transit" on 1/17. Pretty bummed.
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: zerostate976 on January 26, 2012, 03:25 am
hiohiho

dont panic yet, its only the 25th, so a total of 8 business days.  By Monday i would begin to worry, please keep us updated
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: hihohiho on January 26, 2012, 05:35 am
zerostate. you are right. i just have that "too good to be true " vibe going on with this one. will stay optimistic and will update come monday evening.
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Chemical Brothers on January 26, 2012, 03:49 pm
There is also a difference in what state you live
A few arrived after 5 working days but there are also between 12 days !
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: jewfro on January 26, 2012, 06:41 pm
SR support has sent me the peem for resolution, hoping for peupty euro-post issues, keeping my mind off seizure/scam possibilities.

MAYBE TODAY :3 :3 :3

edit: no, not today :C
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Kundalini95 on January 27, 2012, 02:41 pm
I can only recommend this vendor,placed my order on wednesday morning and arrived today just in time for the WE :)

Thanks again CB!
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: jewfro on January 27, 2012, 05:41 pm
FUCK.

YES.

GOT EM TODAY. LITERALLY JUMPING WITH EXCITEMENT TILL I CAN TRY THEM.

IT'S.... ITS JUST SO GODDAMN BEAUTIFUL!!!! C':
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Chemical Brothers on January 28, 2012, 08:45 am
 :o What we do larger orders in 2 envelops.
We send that with a difference of 1 day.
At our customer then arrives with a difference of 5 days.
Quite appart that post boys
Fine weekend all
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: marsvolta12 on January 28, 2012, 11:03 am
placed an order earlier this week. Should be here by next week latest. I will post when it arrives and list quality, packaging, and shipping time.
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: zerostate976 on January 30, 2012, 04:24 am
Any monday updates on these?  I am close to giving CB a try
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: jewfro on February 02, 2012, 06:29 am
k. so let me start by saying, i'm sorry CB for taking so long to write this, but i was jsut being selfish and wanted to get some coins and grab more before everyone went apeshit and they disappeared. ok. sorry guise.

deal@hand: THIS

IS THE REAL

HARDCORE

these guys are the fucking bosses, and this shit is legit. i bought 3 the first time, just in case it was a scam, but the shit came through, and bioassay of 2/3 pills (well, half-pills - i didnt have any real opportunities to test and didn't want to waste a 2bil mdma run at home doing fuckall...) was fucking stellar. shit smells so good, you could lap up the licorice right from the baggy from the lil speaker img.

now i really hope that my second order comes to my grubby paws, and bonne chance to all of you.

tl;dr: i dun giv a fucc if you don't believe me, but i bought some, recieved, and tested and would say that they are pretty fuckin real. i don't have a chemical test kit, so i can't give you a definitive "lookit here", but i really dont care.

*sit back, await shitstorm*
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: theprize on February 10, 2012, 11:08 am
Just giving a heads up on my experience with Chemical Brothers, I made my first order on SR on the 30th of January for a couple of speakers to test. Sure enough they arrived in the UK after 4 working days no problems at all. Top notch product is all I'm going to say  ::). Just ordered some more and 1 gram of their MDMA crystals and will update when they arrive and I have tested :).
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: ecstasy on February 10, 2012, 12:01 pm
the chemical brothers ???  number one ...

highly recommended
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Chemical Brothers on February 10, 2012, 12:07 pm
Is there much difference in the time of postal items in United States itself? Wonder if you live in the North than how long it takes when a letter in the South is
Regards C.B.
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: unknown79 on February 10, 2012, 02:15 pm
In for 10 to the U.S., will let you know when they arrive! Won't be enjoying them until Ultra in March, but I have no doubt these are the real deal ;)
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: fearlessfreap on February 10, 2012, 04:46 pm
I've ordered these twice now from CB and the shipping times to the US were fantastic, and the speakers are even better.  The only complaint I have with the speakers is they're difficult to cut clean into halves or quarters, and given their dosage it's nice to have them in quarters, for most others anyway. A frivolous complaint for most.

I took two white speakers over four hours the first night I tried them and it was mega intense, most others (newbs or lightweights) are plenty good with a half to a single.  For those who are better off with a ~110mg dose I'm waiting on some Red Y's from DR.A.
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: 2513415 on February 10, 2012, 06:56 pm
I placed one order with Chemical Brother's and they came very fast... some of the best stuff I have ever done.. placed another order a few days ago and waiting on that one.... can't wait to get that one...
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: marsvolta12 on February 11, 2012, 05:30 am
my order never arrived. Waiting on re-ship, but at least they communicated through the whole process. i hope will update with re-ship
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Chemical Brothers on February 11, 2012, 11:41 am
Thanks for your compliment!!!
We are now at 200 transactions. But now we realize that we can not always the best. There is always a few who do not get the post. Who is mad at us. Not on the customs or the postman. AUS is perhaps the trickiest. And U. K and U. S strikes us very with it. What also continues to amaze us is time to u.s.a. 5 days and sometimes 16 days.
What also struck that buyers who already have many orders done on silk road, is always good. The few casualties we have, we see almost always 0/0%.
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Chemical Brothers on February 11, 2012, 11:52 am
I've ordered these twice now from CB and the shipping times to the US were fantastic, and the speakers are even better.  The only complaint I have with the speakers is they're difficult to cut clean into halves or quarters, and given their dosage it's nice to have them in quarters, for most others anyway. A frivolous complaint for most.

I took two white speakers over four hours the first night I tried them and it was mega intense, most others (newbs or lightweights) are plenty good with a half to a single.  For those who are better off with a ~110mg dose I'm waiting on some Red Y's from DR.A.
What ever can help cut speakers!
The pill word top to bottom beaten. What is the pill on the side helps sometimes. Beware that he doesn't roll away. And then with a large knife by pushing the side.  8)
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: jewfro on February 11, 2012, 05:18 pm
What ever can help cut speakers!
The pill word top to bottom beaten. What is the pill on the side helps sometimes. Beware that he doesn't roll away. And then with a large knife by pushing the side.  8)

points for effort, but yeah: just use a razor - the double score makes it wicked easy to cut up. plus, you can just crush them up and weigh out 180 mgs, as the whole pills are 360mg :D
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Chemical Brothers on February 12, 2012, 06:29 pm

Finally: Shulgin (the ' inventor ' of XTC) gave the following advice: starting dose 120 mg (80-160 mg), optionally after an hour and a half to prolong the effect hit 40 mg (1/3 of the first dose)
See  http://www.­erowid.­org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_­faq.­shtml#­dosing   
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: 2513415 on February 14, 2012, 04:12 am
Another successful transaction with Chemical Brother's... I am very happy with his service and how fast it is...Keep up the good work!!
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: theprize on February 17, 2012, 12:56 pm
Ordered some of the Chemical Brothers crystal MDMA and all I can say is WOW, never rolled so hard before frickin top quality product :). 5 working days to the UK which is fine.  I can't recommend this vendor enough to anyone reading  8)
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: kolom0nster on February 17, 2012, 10:22 pm
Had my speakers arrive to the US in 5 days! I was shocked to see this package so soon.  I can't wait to try these things.

Thanks CB!
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: zerostate976 on February 17, 2012, 10:51 pm
yup took a total of 8 days to america, great vendor
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: marsvolta12 on February 22, 2012, 07:36 am
package came and all pills were fully intact. Quick shipping and stealthy. all around A+++!
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: yaosh on February 22, 2012, 07:59 am
Any success with bulk (100-500) pill shipments to the US?  Solid, secure packaging?
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: SRTRAVLER on February 22, 2012, 09:56 am
suicide tuesdays eh?  Lsd and Mescaline are good for depression just to let you know.
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Chemical Brothers on February 22, 2012, 10:04 am
 :) and usually i have the suicide tuesdays from hell ;)

Haha.
Thanks for your compliment!.
Personally i do suffer from the tuesday dip. After your XTC rush helps you,....nuts,(macadamia so called in Dutch do not know the name in english) , fisch, 5-Htp and L-Trypthofane very well to your sertonin level back up to standaard.
What to myself also works very well is whey protein shake (Sports Drink)
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: dr gonzo on February 22, 2012, 11:55 am
I said I would be back and here I am the day after my experience with white speakers from my new best
friends-THE CHEMICAL BROTHERS-still basking in the glow. Wow my first experience with SR could not have culminated more beautifully! First I will tell you I am heavily experienced user from back in the day when most of the beans in my area where imported from NL, haven't rolled in 8 years due to rapid decrease in quality and availability. OK for the record-160 pounds-started with a whole 1 because I'm a risk taker, 45 minutes in-what did they say it was dynamite-that sounds about right. Hit me like a ton of bricks, very intense, pleasurable, but I repeat intense. Finally settled in and it indescribably beautiful. Hung out with my wife and a few close friends who also partook-lots of hugs and declarations of love. Once I settled into peak it was very smooth and clean-there seemed to be about a 4 hour plateau and started to come down a little so like a fool took a another 1. Should have took a half-solid mangled for about 2.5 hours, I could barely communicate with those around me-WOW! 1 of the people who rolled with me was a first timer and took a half,she weighs about 130 pounds, and rolled very hard..eyes wiggling, teeth chattering- she liked very much and said it wasn't overpowering, like my experience. In summary I would give these pills a 10 out of 5, unbelievable product, professional vendor, great packaging. I am new and they didn't make me FE so I thought that was cool, that being said I still respect any vendors policy and understand why they do this. I could have easily taken half at a time and had an incredible roll so in essence these are two for one pills, as if this deal needed sweetening up. SO, stop reading this and do something nice for yourself, go right now and bless yourself with some of these bad boys-long live CHEMICAL BROTHERS!!!! ;D

   
   
    reposted from mdma thread, original post 2-12-12

Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Chemical Brothers on February 22, 2012, 07:53 pm
1 of the hardest things... Break  :o especially when you're gone so delicious.
Dr. Shulgin indicates at least 4 and preferably 6 weeks break between the use.  Self it cost me a lot of power to do this  8)
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: kolom0nster on February 23, 2012, 02:38 am
I finally tried these last weekend.  Incredible.  I'm an experienced MDMA user and I took only half a pill.  It was very clean and definitely good pure MDMA.  I saw a great electronic show and had an amazing time with friends.  Went home later and slept like a baby.  Woke up and felt great the next day except a little tired from dancing so hard.

Honestly this is the best MDMA deal on SR.  With 200mg of MDMA each they end up costing less than almost all MDMA available on the road and they pack an amazing punch.  I'm also shocked at CB's success rate to US. 

This here is a TOP NOTCH VENDOR.  Keep up the good work CB!
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: brownpurple31 on February 23, 2012, 10:56 pm
I sampled some of these a few weeks ago from CB and my experience was great! The pills arrived completely intact in a total of about 7 days (to USA).

I tried 3/4 of one pill and waited about 90 minutes before I felt anything but I felt great after it started. I took a total of 1 & 1/4 pill over a 5 hour period of time and enjoyed myself.

My friends did not have the same experience as me - two females took 1/2 a pill each and they both ended up nauseous and had to vomit a little bit (they are not experienced MDMA users so they didn't know this was a possible side effect). Another friend took a whole speaker and claimed it was great but "had to take a break" (from dancing) after a little while because it was so strong... this person is over 6ft tall / 220lb+.

I will personally order from this seller again.
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: hewhoislouis on February 24, 2012, 10:05 pm
Ordered 2 along with the anti-smell bag(leftover BTC). Hoping my first transaction on SR goes well!
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: grandaddyturtle on February 28, 2012, 05:40 am
Waiting on a few to arrive to eastern US, will update you guys how it goes.  So far though, excellent communication and dispatch time. Order went from processing to "in transit" within an hour, gotta love time zone differences :D
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Froggy on February 29, 2012, 07:48 am
Ordered several to the midwest. Well report back if/when they arrive and on quality =]
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: hoffa on February 29, 2012, 07:57 am
I ordered mine last week and cannot wait! Just on the ordering process CB is very slick and put into transit very fast. Great job Guys!

And @biggles is there nothing you dont try bro? ;D
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: hewhoislouis on February 29, 2012, 01:51 pm
Ordered a few and they arrived within 3 working days to Europe! The packaging is great and not suspicious at all. Will be sure to give an update once I try them out! Thank you so much Chemicalbrothers for making my first transaction on SR so good!
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: natalia on February 29, 2012, 03:25 pm
Placed an order this morning and in no-more than 10 minutes it was in transit! Awaiting package now.
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: rise_against on February 29, 2012, 06:54 pm
i ordered from CB and the speakers were to my US door in under a week.  Faster than most domestic shippers!!!   haven't had the chance to try them yet, but ordered 11 more just to have them on hand.  Was hoping CB can get the multi scored whiter versions opposed to the double scored (1/4)brownish speakers that i got the first order.  heard the white multi-scored ones were better.

hope these make me look like i can dance, cuz i gots no moves!
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: jewfro on February 29, 2012, 11:04 pm
i ordered from CB and the speakers were to my US door in under a week.  Faster than most domestic shippers!!!   haven't had the chance to try them yet, but ordered 11 more just to have them on hand.  Was hoping CB can get the multi scored whiter versions opposed to the double scored (1/4)brownish speakers that i got the first order.  heard the white multi-scored ones were better.

hope these make me look like i can dance, cuz i gots no moves!

i got one kind, and then the other kind when i ordered with CB, and tbh, i couldn't tell the difference, except the whiter ones had less of that "candy/licorice" smell
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Chemical Brothers on March 01, 2012, 10:18 am
i ordered from CB and the speakers were to my US door in under a week.  Faster than most domestic shippers!!!   haven't had the chance to try them yet, but ordered 11 more just to have them on hand.  Was hoping CB can get the multi scored whiter versions opposed to the double scored (1/4)brownish speakers that i got the first order.  heard the white multi-scored ones were better.

hope these make me look like i can dance, cuz i gots no moves!

It does absolutely nothing from. I mean a breaking line more ,slightly different color white
It's the content (pure MDMA) Perhaps that's a competitor says so, do not believe him !
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: jewfro on March 01, 2012, 09:11 pm
i ordered from CB and the speakers were to my US door in under a week.  Faster than most domestic shippers!!!   haven't had the chance to try them yet, but ordered 11 more just to have them on hand.  Was hoping CB can get the multi scored whiter versions opposed to the double scored (1/4)brownish speakers that i got the first order.  heard the white multi-scored ones were better.

hope these make me look like i can dance, cuz i gots no moves!

It does absolutely nothing from. I mean a breaking line more ,slightly different color white
It's the content (pure MDMA) Perhaps that's a competitor says so, do not believe him !

proven time and time again. ive had the two different batches - brown and single cross-break, and white with double punch breaks - and they're both equally as good, apart from the physical differences (smell and color)

i can garnish testimonials, too lolo
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: chalky on March 02, 2012, 10:34 pm
I can confirm these are the real deal.

Order to UK took about 5 days, well packaged....and the pills - whoah! God bless the Dutch, these are real kick ass - back to the good old days!

10/10 to this vendor and i'll certainly be back :-)
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: eclipse on March 03, 2012, 04:15 am
Received mine from CB. Fast shipping since they are in an envelope and not a package. However chance for pills to get crushed very easily in a mail sorter. Luckily mine were fine. I received the double score line on my beans which i think means they are from the first pressing. Cant wait to try!
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: rise_against on March 03, 2012, 07:31 am
the reason i brought up the whiter double scored pills is that i read on pillreports.com that those had a higher mdma content or better high than the dirty brownish ones if i remember correctly.
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: jewfro on March 03, 2012, 09:16 am
the reason i brought up the whiter double scored pills is that i read on pillreports.com that those had a higher mdma content or better high than the dirty brownish ones if i remember correctly.

i know, but i think its all in ya head.

they seem exactly the same. qualitatively, despite minor cosmetic differences.
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: hoffa on March 13, 2012, 09:34 am
Hey Chem Bros

Just wanted to publicly thank you all the way down under for the professional way you conduct your business!  Very, very slick guys/girls (hoping twin girl actually ;))

Awesome, Honest, Stealthy, Smart!

I shall smash out a review when I smash out a pill  ;D

Cheers again guys!
ps.
And if I am right and you are actually the hottest dutch twins on the planet, please send discrete (nude if you like) pics privately to me!  ;)
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Nocturnalbeyond718 on March 13, 2012, 11:48 pm
When you guys say 5 days or 12 days to US.. are you counting weekdays or just business days? So strange to me that so many people have received orders yet a bunch have placed orders stemming from end of Feb/1st of March and have not received anything yet. I wonder if the USPS is just seriously backed up/inconsistent or if something strange is going on...
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: volvol on March 14, 2012, 12:05 am
my order took a little longer as well, but the product is good

hopefully will get more

thx CB
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Nocturnalbeyond718 on March 14, 2012, 04:40 am
^^^ how long is "a little longer?"

And if you don't mind me asking, did you receive in USA?

Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: blackend646 on March 14, 2012, 05:13 am
Reading a ton of shit lately about others in USA not receiving packages from NL. Feb 29th and still nothing, not sure if others having the same problem is good or bad news
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: jewfro on March 14, 2012, 05:26 am
hoping for a little "luck o' the irish" for st/paddys day.


yeeeeeeeee buddy
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: volvol on March 14, 2012, 06:04 pm
^^^ how long is "a little longer?"

And if you don't mind me asking, did you receive in USA?

not usa, to europe and 27.02->10.03
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Chemical Brothers on March 18, 2012, 11:00 am
    * 18-03-2012 We temporarily stop with orders to u.s.a. We see a increment of customers who did not receive their orders This is clear to see from 28 February We also get information on intensive use of x-ray by US Customs We working hard on solving the problem. First We want to handle the orders made to the usa,and the tips apply. Please, do not reveal any details about our packaging methods the customs will read the forums.


    Regards Chemical Brothers
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: Nocturnalbeyond718 on March 20, 2012, 12:52 am
Hmm. So what exactly would this mean for those customers who have yet to receive their orders from around the 28th?  That customs have likely intercepted the order and these buyers should cease to have shipments sent to that address?
Title: Re: chemical brothers white speakers
Post by: fearlessfreap on March 21, 2012, 12:34 am
Hmm. So what exactly would this mean for those customers who have yet to receive their orders from around the 28th?  That customs have likely intercepted the order and these buyers should cease to have shipments sent to that address?

It would be an appropriate security measure, though how necessary I wouldn't know. I for one am lucky to have a few options still in that regard, however I can imagine that's not the case for many buyers as a third party receiver must be impeccably trustworthy AND willing to take the risk.