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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: Ensine99 on October 30, 2012, 06:51 am
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Lately I've been trying to figure out a drug/ supplement to take at parties around drunk people since I no longer feel any desire to drink myself after experimenting with psychs.
But don't like rolling or tripping around drunk people.
Currently I'm considering Phenethylamine, Phenibut, GHB, or Ketamine.
I'm not really interested in strong uppers like amphetamines or coke, or in benzos.
Anyone have a suggestion?
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I enjoy it with MDMA, but if you're against amphes it won't please you too much. I don't fully get why you should take Ketamine, Phenethylamine or Phenibut if you're going to party?
If you want to party you should get pushed up, not pushed down.
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I agree with yzxcv12693, taking ketamine or anything like it at a party doesn't sound like a really pleasant idea. I guess GHB would be possible but watch your dosage.
Personally I'd go with MDMA, just take a small dose so you're not tripping balls but are energetic and happy. I've tried many things but all are very different from being drunk so they won't get you on the same wavelength as the drunks around you. Unless the party's full of tripping people I'd stay away from most drugs at parties.
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Unless the party's full of tripping people I'd stay away from most drugs at parties.
So true, I have done the mistake once, that's probably why I didn't enjoy MDMA on parties and more on the philosophing way. Do you have any experience how it is when everyone is tripping? I can't imagine that tbh but I think it could be great.
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GHB since its somewhat like alcohol but when handled by a responsible individual its way better for you body then alcohol.
I've also done low dosages of 2c-b and 25i-NBOMe (both psychs) around drunk people and at parties. People won't know you're tripping since you're not really tripping anyway. Its very enjoyable getting in the mood without overdoing it or moving towards alcohol. It beats being sober for me, just a little stimulation. Despite that you've written of amphetamines and I don't think you should. But again in low dosages, most people forget how different drugs are at lower dosages.
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you eliminated quite a few of the options. Why don't you just drink moderately? Drinking is good when partying man, being a drunk is no good but if you feel you could easily control your amounts you should just drink a bit...
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Ket is amazing when partying and luckily there's a bit of a haze so watching all the ridiculous drunk people won't piss you off. Every drunk person seriously annoys me when I'm drugs unless it's k, then I'm too chill to care.
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Unless the party's full of tripping people I'd stay away from most drugs at parties.
So true, I have done the mistake once, that's probably why I didn't enjoy MDMA on parties and more on the philosophing way. Do you have any experience how it is when everyone is tripping? I can't imagine that tbh but I think it could be great.
I've tripped in a group of tripping people, its quite good, I'm not sure I would say fun so to speak, but it was very intellectual and filled with happiness. I've rolled with other people rolling and that was fun too, I've also flipped with people rolling, and flipped with people tripping. I've enjoyed all those settings. I'm not really a fan of taking mdma at parties with people drinking since I'm concerned about the empathetic part and coming off weird, also its hard to hold decent conversations when people are plastered but it is more enjoyable then tripping around drunks. I've done DOB/DOC, 25i, 25c, mdma, shrooms, and 4-aco-dmt around drunk people before and out of all of those shrooms was the best for me since it gave me the giggles and makes me have a really strong body high, but it still wasn't great.
as for drinking moderately Its not really that feasible I need about 6-8 drinks to get tipsy so if I want to get to that point when everyone else is getting drunk I need to pound shots, and I'm not a huge fan of the hangover the next day (I get really bad body hangovers, ie deadlegs) part of the reason for my asking this is because I don't like having to drink that much and dealing with the hangover.
GHB since its somewhat like alcohol but when handled by a responsible individual its way better for you body then alcohol.
I've also done low dosages of 2c-b and 25i-NBOMe (both psychs) around drunk people and at parties. People won't know you're tripping since you're not really tripping anyway. Its very enjoyable getting in the mood without overdoing it or moving towards alcohol. It beats being sober for me, just a little stimulation. Despite that you've written of amphetamines and I don't think you should. But again in low dosages, most people forget how different drugs are at lower dosages.
Ok this sounds pretty good, I'll try out low dose 25i, and ghb. I'm not sure about 2c-b since I haven't tried it yet. maybe low dose adderall could be ok, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to try.
Ket is amazing when partying and luckily there's a bit of a haze so watching all the ridiculous drunk people won't piss you off. Every drunk person seriously annoys me when I'm drugs unless it's k, then I'm too chill to care.
Thats what I'd heard, my only issue with ket would be the bladder issues, and addiction but do you think that's even an issue if it was a small dose about 1-2 times a month?
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Lately I've been trying to figure out a drug/ supplement to take at parties around drunk people since I no longer feel any desire to drink myself after experimenting with psychs.
But don't like rolling or tripping around drunk people.
Currently I'm considering Phenethylamine, Phenibut, GHB, or Ketamine.
I'm not really interested in strong uppers like amphetamines or coke, or in benzos.
Anyone have a suggestion?
Getting something that acts similar to alcohol would be very difficult.
The issue with alcohol is that it has different aspects to it that depend on the dose. It's a stimulant at lower doses, sliding to a hypnotic at large doses. I don't think there are any other drugs that follow that peculiar dose-effect relationship.
Given that you'll need to choose between a substance that makes you 'gitty' like low amounts of alcohol, or 'wasted' like high amounts of alcohol - if you want to experience similar effects compared to the people around you.
What is the reason you do not want to simply use alcohol like the rest of them though?
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1-200ug LSD!
It's hilarious.. :P
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I find Ghb very enjoyable when used properly....Haven't had it in years ,but might order some..But theirs a fine line not to cross ..or you may "fish out"
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Ensine & Co. ... if y'all sort this one out, please let us know.
It seems that as the world slides towards greater decadence and cruelty, alcoholism becomes something not only tolerated, but almost encouraged. By no means do we take a holier-than-thou stance. Moderate drinking can be fun. Even tying one on here and there, especially in the early stages of one's drinking career, can be fantastic. But we cannot say that there are no members of the ILF who have not had their struggles with alcohol. And when they look back on the real regrets of their lives, it would seem that alcohol played a role in many.
We've never had any success matching the head space of people under the influence of alcohol save for when combining alcohol with another substance, say, with E. But then you just end up with the problem of being on alcohol, albeit in a modified, usually better, manner. But you're trying to avoid it outright, so such a solution isn't really workable. It's a shame that so many people who are willing to alter their consciousness with ethanol do not consider doing so in most (or any) other ways. Experiencing a shared head space with people who are on E, or K, or psychedelics can be beyond magical!
WhereAmI, yeah, the K bumps in a bar or club can make the environment a lot more fun, especially if you can find your own hole in the place to chill out in. Also, Ensine, we wouldn't worry about bladder problems from occasional use. From what we understand, those were only cropping up in people who were extraordinarily hard users, at least on the level of taking strong doses more days than not per week for months on end. Apparently these people were all also pharmacists, anesthesiologists, or veterinarians.
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Thats what I'd heard, my only issue with ket would be the bladder issues, and addiction but do you think that's even an issue if it was a small dose about 1-2 times a month?
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I've never had an issue. I was doing about 4 grams a week for a couple of months, 1+ g in a night (I'm a girl, so it makes some difference) and never had bladder issues. Even less often and in far less quantities you should have no problem.
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Well whatever drug you take, make sure you're comfortable with the people around you and the place you take it. Nothing worse than tripping balls and getting nervous, it'll give you the biggest possible bad trip ever or get you stuck in a mind loop. That's why taking stuff like LSD at loud and busy parties with rowdy drunks is usually a bad idea. I agree with WhereAmI, Ket doesn't have to be a problem. Whatever you try, I'd advise a low dose test run so you know what the drug's like in the setting you'd like to use it in before taking a serious dose.
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It seems that as the world slides towards greater decadence and cruelty, alcoholism becomes something not only tolerated, but almost encouraged. By no means do we take a holier-than-thou stance. Moderate drinking can be fun. Even tying one on here and there, especially in the early stages of one's drinking career, can be fantastic. But we cannot say that there are no members of the ILF who have not had their struggles with alcohol. And when they look back on the real regrets of their lives, it would seem that alcohol played a role in many.
Alcohol just has a unique status among drugs, and not for any scientific reason at all.
Social acceptance is the main thing - someone getting drunk can be frowned upon in some situations, but that person will rarely be considered to be a 'junky' afterwards.
As far as health risks go i'd easily rank alcohol in the same league as morphine. That said, i regularly drink alcohol are rarely use morphine.
For historical reasons alcohol is an acceptable drug in western society. If it would have been discovered a decade ago, it would probably have been banned very quickly and considered a similar treath to GHB or opiates. From a pharmacological standpoint that would be a totally fair assessment. The big practical difference is that alcohol is legal, and for that reason widely available at low cost in most countries.
This limits the social problems associated with the addiction largely. A drinking habit to the equivalent of half a litre of liquor a day can be met for $5 a day, while a gram a day heroin habit would cost 10 times as much. The $5/day figure makes it so that many people can afford to buy their dose from their salary or even social benefits, while sustaining a $50/day opiate habit would require criminal means to fund for most people.
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It's probably already been said, but I'd go for low doses of GHB, mdma, amfetamines (but you dont want to), or benzo but you dont want to.
Actually I read somewhere that they are trying to make a beverage that makes you feel a bit like you've had some alcohol. But without getting a hangover from it. The funny thing is that they test it with valium...
That would go so wrong :p
Then again, alcohol is a very destructive drug which can cause all sorts of problems. But yeah, they cant ban it. Wish that were true with all drugs. Things would be a lot better imo.