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Discussion => Legal => Topic started by: DEBT SLAVERY 101 on August 07, 2013, 09:38 am

Title: Lawyer Up?
Post by: DEBT SLAVERY 101 on August 07, 2013, 09:38 am
I know it's the "normal" thing to do... especially for those of us here who do illegal shit. but. Does no one here actually understand that they are on the side of the courts and always on that side.... regardless of whether they are a defense lawyer or part of the DA. It is an elite culture of litigators that have their own ranks and absolutely see you as a debtor whiner fucking slave. Oh they'll smile of course, as they insist you gonna be better off once you pay their fees.

The system is based on ignorance and literally written into their code speak language (read: Language, just words folks) is exactly what you are when you are before them. Debtor, Idiot, Moron, a person of unsound mind who needs someone else to speak for them... cause I sooo stupid! Yes you look up enough definitions on words and you will find it embedded in their definitions. This stuff about owning you and all the slaves is through our ignorance.

Maybe some of us can learn international laws of commerce and get out from under the guise of belonging to a slave driving slave run slave breeding system.

Okay seriously speaking. If anybody wants to express any opinions regarding private alternatives or methods beyond the lawyer up when dealing with jail or courts feel free.

Title: Re: Lawyer Up?
Post by: postrex on August 07, 2013, 05:01 pm
I have one question for you - who exactly do you mean by "they", "their", etc?

There is only us on this planet.  Stop fighting an imaginary "them" - you are trying to draw a line in the sand, and it simply cannot hold.
Title: Re: Lawyer Up?
Post by: Transcend Reality on August 07, 2013, 07:39 pm
I know it's the "normal" thing to do... especially for those of us here who do illegal shit. but. Does no one here actually understand that they are on the side of the courts and always on that side.... regardless of whether they are a defense lawyer or part of the DA. It is an elite culture of litigators that have their own ranks and absolutely see you as a debtor whiner fucking slave. Oh they'll smile of course, as they insist you gonna be better off once you pay their fees.

The system is based on ignorance and literally written into their code speak language (read: Language, just words folks) is exactly what you are when you are before them. Debtor, Idiot, Moron, a person of unsound mind who needs someone else to speak for them... cause I sooo stupid! Yes you look up enough definitions on words and you will find it embedded in their definitions. This stuff about owning you and all the slaves is through our ignorance.

Maybe some of us can learn international laws of commerce and get out from under the guise of belonging to a slave driving slave run slave breeding system.

Okay seriously speaking. If anybody wants to express any opinions regarding private alternatives or methods beyond the lawyer up when dealing with jail or courts feel free.

Most people choose to fester their ignorant mindsets. It's comfortable to them. Can't blame the one's taking advantage of an opportunity too much... Just like if there are really demons, I don't blame them for what they do, as I am the one with the choice...
Title: Re: Lawyer Up?
Post by: DEBT SLAVERY 101 on August 08, 2013, 01:19 am
I have one question for you - who exactly do you mean by "they", "their", etc?

There is only us on this planet.  Stop fighting an imaginary "them" - you are trying to draw a line in the sand, and it simply cannot hold.

Trust me good brother. The only they is the idea that we are separate. That there is a they. It becomes real and experienced through ego.The only plight is within oneself. The only way to change the world is to change from within.  To change your self. So we use these words "they" and "their" in the relative world we experience they and their in.

And don't believe for a minute if ever given the opportunity you will ever look at a judge in the eyes and feel comfy as they are not so imaginary.

And they are and there are those that do not see such connection. Such unity. And for relative speak sake... THEY will put you in a cell because THEY are just doing THEIR job. And if you find yourself in a court room you will not be able to explain anything and you will be treated like an infant. And if you ever use a public benefit such as a lawyer you will be seen the same as the rest of the slaver debtors. None are hopelessly more enslaved then those that believe they are free.

Knowing oneness is the only path to peace within. We still have to get up each day and live in a very particular world where it's status quo relies entirely on passivity, ignorance and complacency.


Title: Re: Lawyer Up?
Post by: postrex on August 08, 2013, 02:42 am
Trust me good brother. The only they is the idea that we are separate. That there is a they. It becomes real and experienced through ego.The only plight is within oneself. The only way to change the world is to change from within.  To change your self. So we use these words "they" and "their" in the relative world we experience they and their in.
Then stop saying "they" and "their"...

And don't believe for a minute if ever given the opportunity you will ever look at a judge in the eyes and feel comfy as they are not so imaginary.
I have several times, and although I wouldn't say 'comfy', I have no problems with it.

And they are and there are those that do not see such connection. Such unity. And for relative speak sake... THEY will put you in a cell because THEY are just doing THEIR job. And if you find yourself in a court room you will not be able to explain anything and you will be treated like an infant. And if you ever use a public benefit such as a lawyer you will be seen the same as the rest of the slaver debtors. None are hopelessly more enslaved then those that believe they are free.
Sure... you aren't really responding to me, just rambling more of the same... but okay.

Knowing oneness is the only path to peace within.
This I agree with.

We still have to get up each day and live in a very particular world where it's status quo relies entirely on passivity, ignorance and complacency.
This... not so much.  It doesn't rely on it, it is it.
Title: Re: Lawyer Up?
Post by: THUMBSuP. on August 08, 2013, 04:17 am
regardless of what the OP thinks he is solely entitled to his opinion..
and he can preach it all day until this throat bleeds if he wants, no need to come in here hating on him.
i would like to say all of it is true and they are there.



;)
they are, we are, i am not.


/thumbs
Title: Re: Lawyer Up?
Post by: DEBT SLAVERY 101 on August 08, 2013, 08:24 pm
So, you've been before the judge or magistrate and you said it was fine...

was this alone or did you have a public benefit such as an attorney or pd speaking for you?

or are we just talking traffic issues :)
Title: Re: Lawyer Up?
Post by: DEBT SLAVERY 101 on August 08, 2013, 08:39 pm
A true dedicated human who must live as his/her heart demands to be their own sovereign being, the nature being granted by creation itself, having a will towards non subservience, will not be asking for a lawyer who, while maybe they are just an honest great guy/gal, THEIR allegiance is to the courts and the courts alone. Which is allegiant to the vatican. Which claims ownership of the entire world. It's written somewhere. Complete sovereign ownership declared to the world of the world.

Every defense lawyer absolutely wants the slightly less than short route to your freedom. They gotta get paid too folks. And who decided that your bowing down to the courts and following THEIR interests was just the way things are? Because you do give up your own personal jurisdiction each time you answer as the corporate fiction that is YOUR NAME. You are assumed competent to understand you are claiming surety for whatever commercial account they've managed to weasel into THEIR court.

So maybe eventually we can get some blokes in here that have actually stood out the 24/48 hour/ or 2 weeks of detainment without offering up a goddam thing. Especially their corporate fiction assigned to them through the slave contract (the birth certificate). I can't say what I'd do if I faced processing. So I'm just talking a bunch of bullshit here.

But I will never get a lawyer ever.

Anyone, anyone? bueller?
Title: Re: Lawyer Up?
Post by: PathSeeker on August 09, 2013, 11:50 am
From another thread but...
[**Lawyer up if you're in trouble and let the professional make the case (it's what you pay them for). Let the judges and the lawyers interpret the law because you don't know shit**
I don't know...on one hand, you can lawyer up which is in essence handing your body over to the Crown/State via the BAR association, or you can self-represent, and try to fight the crown/state/bar.  Either way, you're in a pool of sharks and you're going to get digested.

Guess I'm a bit jaded.
Title: Re: Lawyer Up?
Post by: thereisnospoon on August 10, 2013, 07:13 am
OP has a very good point. Simply because all decisions are made behind closed doors in the "judges chambers" prior to the public announcement and recording thereof. They're all members of the same club and it's private. This club is not that old... do some research on the BAR people. There were lawyers and judges before a BAR association ever existed... It's a rigged game. And it comes down to WHAT or WHO you know no matter what path you choose!
Title: Re: Lawyer Up?
Post by: DEBT SLAVERY 101 on August 13, 2013, 03:39 am
Who or What gives the BAR it's Authority??!
Title: Re: Lawyer Up?
Post by: thereisnospoon on August 15, 2013, 06:02 pm
Who gives the BAR its "author-ity".. the sheeple of course and their mis-under-standing of law and our history in general. The population at large still believes "history" or His-story as its told the side of the victor being that of the international bankers that conquered this country by starting the civil war. The war of 1812 was started because of the failing of the "First Bank of the United States" (congress refused to renew their charter". The "Second bank of the US" was instated after the US finally gave up behind closed doors in 1816. This bank was also defeated once their charter was up albeit 5 years after the charter was up they continued central banking operations. So the final blow was indeed the Civil War (Divide and Conquer). Once the newest version of these older banking entities was instated (The Federal Reserve - Check their website they own up to their previous banks!!!!!!) World War I immediately began and our culture of war was installed and has continued (previously the US had a non-interventionalist policy as we were ALL FARMERS!). The law has been corrupted ever since the Civil war, vague understanding and complacency has led the Republic to its demise! The North never won a damned thing, we all lost and we don't even know it!  :'(

People need to do their research, it seems most people with this truth are dismissed as crazy or conspiracy theorists. It's unreal though because we are programmed to think that anything that's not generally accepted by the masses of the sheeple at large is "crazy". You are what you eat people! CATTLE!!!!