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Market => Product requests => Topic started by: blitz on January 31, 2012, 01:59 pm
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Hello,
there are ingredients for Ayahuasca on SR. It'd be great if vendors put a complete Ayahuasca-Kit together, make it easier for us buyers. Someone had pharmahuasca on SR when I checked a while ago, I think that was a great idea/product, so if someone can put something like that back on SR, that'd be great, too.
PEACE
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I would so buy Ayahuasca...been wanting to try it for so long.
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The ingredients for Ayahuasca are perfectly legal in most jurisdictions... Plus, they are inexpensive and your experience will benefit greatly from the time and effort you put in to preparation.
Invest a little time, and Aya will reward you with far greater 'gifts' than money can buy.
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The ingredients for Ayahuasca are perfectly legal in most jurisdictions... Plus, they are inexpensive and your experience will benefit greatly from the time and effort you put in to preparation.
Invest a little time, and Aya will reward you with far greater 'gifts' than money can buy.
Do you have any recipe in particular that you'd suggest? I've been looking for one 'standard' one for a while, and haven't really been able to figure out what would be the best choice.
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Or you could just go for 5-meo-dmt as it is active orally :D
5-MEO-DMT is FUCKING SICK.
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The ingredients for Ayahuasca are perfectly legal in most jurisdictions... Plus, they are inexpensive and your experience will benefit greatly from the time and effort you put in to preparation.
Invest a little time, and Aya will reward you with far greater 'gifts' than money can buy.
Do you have any recipe in particular that you'd suggest? I've been looking for one 'standard' one for a while, and haven't really been able to figure out what would be the best choice.
The reason you haven't found any 'standard' recipe is that one does not exist. You are not synthesizing. This is a mixture of herbs and admixtures and each component combined in different amounts can have a profound effects and change the overall experience. It all depends on the seeker. So before you go searching for the perfect recipe, you have to find the perfect question... Better to just buy some herbs, start slow, and experiment to find what YOU are looking for. Nothing anyone can tell you in words will bring you any closer than your own sincerity. I apologize for being so obscure, but Ayahuasca is not a 'drug' like many other substances... You can not just 'take' and expect anything to be given back.
Try:
http://forums.ayahuasca.com/ (clearnet)
to get started...
There's more than enough information to get you going, and a good community who will help with all aspects. There are a few examples of recipes as well...
If you have any specific questions after reading, feel free to PM.
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Or you could just go for 5-meo-dmt as it is active orally :D
5-MEO-DMT is FUCKING SICK.
Perhaps, but in no way analogous to Ayahuasca.
Even n,n,DMT, taken with a suitable MAO inhibitor will be active orally... Clinically comparable to ayahuasca experience, but this is only a small piece of the overall puzzle.
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The ingredients for Ayahuasca are perfectly legal in most jurisdictions... Plus, they are inexpensive and your experience will benefit greatly from the time and effort you put in to preparation.
Invest a little time, and Aya will reward you with far greater 'gifts' than money can buy.
Do you have any recipe in particular that you'd suggest? I've been looking for one 'standard' one for a while, and haven't really been able to figure out what would be the best choice.
The reason you haven't found any 'standard' recipe is that one does not exist. You are not synthesizing. This is a mixture of herbs and admixtures and each component combined in different amounts can have a profound effects and change the overall experience. It all depends on the seeker. So before you go searching for the perfect recipe, you have to find the perfect question... Better to just buy some herbs, start slow, and experiment to find what YOU are looking for. Nothing anyone can tell you in words will bring you any closer than your own sincerity. I apologize for being so obscure, but Ayahuasca is not a 'drug' like many other substances... You can not just 'take' and expect anything to be given back.
Try:
http://forums.ayahuasca.com/ (clearnet)
to get started...
There's more than enough information to get you going, and a good community who will help with all aspects. There are a few examples of recipes as well...
If you have any specific questions after reading, feel free to PM.
It's hard for me to justify putting so much time into it for the time being. I've looked into buying the plants before, yes, but I only have the weekends and I have so many other drugs I've wanted to try, I haven't wanted to have to take multiple weekends to figure out my own personal best ayahuasca, y'know? I suppose I'll start at some point, and perhaps I'll send you another message once I've fully decided to embark on that journey, but I suppose I was just hoping it would be simpler. =]
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It's hard for me to justify putting so much time into it for the time being. I've looked into buying the plants before, yes, but I only have the weekends and I have so many other drugs I've wanted to try, I haven't wanted to have to take multiple weekends to figure out my own personal best ayahuasca, y'know? I suppose I'll start at some point, and perhaps I'll send you another message once I've fully decided to embark on that journey, but I suppose I was just hoping it would be simpler.
You hit the nail on the head. There are (or at least were) ayahuasca kits on certain online-smartshops (azarius...), they sold a few different variations together with instructions, it makes a lot of sense and isn't even that expensive. I wouldn't buy from such a shop though, because of privacy concerns. But if something like that was on SR, I'd not need long to think about it. Maybe someone who is brave enough can simply get their stuff and resell it to us SR people.
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It's hard for me to justify putting so much time into it for the time being. I've looked into buying the plants before, yes, but I only have the weekends and I have so many other drugs I've wanted to try, I haven't wanted to have to take multiple weekends to figure out my own personal best ayahuasca, y'know? I suppose I'll start at some point, and perhaps I'll send you another message once I've fully decided to embark on that journey, but I suppose I was just hoping it would be simpler.
You hit the nail on the head. There are (or at least were) ayahuasca kits on certain online-smartshops (azarius...), they sold a few different variations together with instructions, it makes a lot of sense and isn't even that expensive. I wouldn't buy from such a shop though, because of privacy concerns. But if something like that was on SR, I'd not need long to think about it. Maybe someone who is brave enough can simply get their stuff and resell it to us SR people.
Azarius seems to be out of the explicit kits, but they still have some of the materials; I'm sure there are other sites with the same kits, though.
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I vouch for Azarius too. It's a good site, I've used them many times. Just look for plant called B. Caapi.
Peace
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I'm going to make some for myself. If I'm successful I'll make more and sell it on here since no one else will.
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A good place to start is your friendly neighborhood Home Depot. Buy the biggest, healthiest San Pedro cactus they carry (and they seems to all carry them in season).
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A good place to start is your friendly neighborhood Home Depot. Buy the biggest, healthiest San Pedro cactus they carry (and they seems to all carry them in season).
I heard walmart now carries a chemistry set that includes everything you need to make meth.
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I'm going to make some for myself. If I'm successful I'll make more and sell it on here since no one else will.
You go kid!!
Chaxchax had the best advise here.. go down to wall mart and get some san pedro. Thats the best start to making aya..
and while you down there pick up some supplies for some good ole shake n bake meth.
Make sure you use your daddys credit card ;)
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I have aya plants growing...but never have tried it.
I am waiting for them to call on me one of these days ;)
They are lovely plants... everyone should be growing them
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I'll make the best ayahuasca ever. B. Caapi, battery acid, 5-meo-dmt, crack rocks, might even throw in some jenkem as a bonus ;) I know ya'll been waitin' ta try moonbears jenkem!
I wonder what would happen if I tried listing jenkem on SR. That would be pretty funny. Have a picture of a 2-liter filled with my shit... lol
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Aya is a motherfucking gateway drug moonbear. We all know how you like to be bad ass
I reckon you should have a big dose of aya moonbear...
If it is one thing that will sort you out it will be mumma aya so I hear.
Dont fuck around...do it
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I will be stocking DMT and pharmahuasca soon.
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I will be stocking DMT and pharmahuasca soon.
GREAT!
Btw... What does San Pedro have in common with Aya? San Pedro is a source of mescaline which has nothing to do with Ayahuasca.
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I will be stocking DMT and pharmahuasca soon.
GREAT!
Btw... What does San Pedro have in common with Aya? San Pedro is a source of mescaline which has nothing to do with Ayahuasca.
It really doesn't other than you can make a psychedelic "tea" out of it. Also, I think chemically it is structurally related to DMT.
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Seriously, though, I don't think I could ship a liquid. An actual ayahuasca brew wouldn't work. Would people go for it if I shipped the ingredients mixed together in the right proportions so all you'd have to do is cook it?
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Seriously, though, I don't think I could ship a liquid. An actual ayahuasca brew wouldn't work. Would people go for it if I shipped the ingredients mixed together in the right proportions so all you'd have to do is cook it?
Yes, ingredients with instructions given on your product page would do.
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I will be stocking DMT and pharmahuasca soon.
GREAT!
Btw... What does San Pedro have in common with Aya? San Pedro is a source of mescaline which has nothing to do with Ayahuasca.
san pedro has absolutely nothing to do with aya....I was being sarcastic to one of the comments.
Seriously, though, I don't think I could ship a liquid. An actual ayahuasca brew wouldn't work. Would people go for it if I shipped the ingredients mixed together in the right proportions so all you'd have to do is cook it?
Somebody has been doing their homework. Seriously... if it is one thing you should be looking at moonbear....its aya.
Get some plants, if you are in the right temperate and take over your mums garden.
Psychotria Viridis and Banisteriopsis caapi.....grow like the wind moonbear. plant some Peganum Harmala while you are at it ;)
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Can't I just buy the ingredients somewhere already grown? I don't have time to grow that stuff. If anyone has and ayahuasca guides telling me what proportions I'd want to use and where to buy them online that would be greatly appreciated.
Would it be a good idea to throw in some 5-meo-dmt for potency?
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My contribution was simply that the Mescaline experience in the San Pedro is as likely as you will get to the actual ingredients in genuine Ayahuasca which I have tried in Brazil for that spiritual connection feeling.. Good luck finding:
Psychotria viridis (Chacruna) leaves
Diplopterys cabrerana (Chaliponga, Banisteriopsis rusbyana) - leaves
Psychotria carthagenensis (Amyruca) leaves
Acacia maidenii (Maiden's Wattle), Acacia phlebophylla, and other Acacias, most commonly employed in Australia - bark
Anadenanthera peregrina, A. colubrina, A. excelsa, A. macrocarpa
Mimosa hostilis (Jurema) - root bark - not traditionally employed with ayahuasca by any existing cultures, though likely it was in the past. Popular in Europe and North America..
and a MAOI like:
armal (Peganum harmala, Syrian Rue) - seeds
Passion flower.
You need both to make the DMT in the bioavailable from the initial ingredients.
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My contribution was simply that the Mescaline experience in the San Pedro is as likely as you will get to the actual ingredients in genuine Ayahuasca which I have tried in Brazil for that spiritual connection feeling.. Good luck finding:
Psychotria viridis (Chacruna) leaves
Diplopterys cabrerana (Chaliponga, Banisteriopsis rusbyana) - leaves
Psychotria carthagenensis (Amyruca) leaves
Acacia maidenii (Maiden's Wattle), Acacia phlebophylla, and other Acacias, most commonly employed in Australia - bark
Anadenanthera peregrina, A. colubrina, A. excelsa, A. macrocarpa
Mimosa hostilis (Jurema) - root bark - not traditionally employed with ayahuasca by any existing cultures, though likely it was in the past. Popular in Europe and North America..
and a MAOI like:
armal (Peganum harmala, Syrian Rue) - seeds
Passion flower.
You need both to make the DMT in the bioavailable from the initial ingredients.
Thanks! I will try looking for these ingredients online. If I make the ayahuasca successfully I'll list it on SR and probably will give out free samples.
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I will be stocking DMT and pharmahuasca soon.
GREAT!
Btw... What does San Pedro have in common with Aya? San Pedro is a source of mescaline which has nothing to do with Ayahuasca.
It really doesn't other than you can make a psychedelic "tea" out of it. Also, I think chemically it is structurally related to DMT.
Nah, mescaline is an amphetamine, and DMT is a tryptamine. Their chemical relation is probably as similar as to any other psychedelic, but they're still similar in that function.
I'd be very excited about that pharmahuasca. =D
I might have to go around looking for all those ingredients, though... Or start a garden. =D
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Nah, mescaline is an amphetamine, and DMT is a tryptamine.
Mescaline is a phenethylamine. Amphetamine is also a phenethylamine. I don't think this necessarily makes mescaline an amphetamine though.
Anyways, if someone lists some ayahuasca I'd probably be interested.
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Nah, mescaline is an amphetamine, and DMT is a tryptamine.
Mescaline is a phenethylamine. Amphetamine is also a phenethylamine. I don't think this necessarily makes mescaline an amphetamine though.
Anyways, if someone lists some ayahuasca I'd probably be interested.
Haha, sorry about that. Phenethylamine is indeed what I meant. TMA and its relatives (2-6) are the amphetamine versions of mescaline.
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I am on the search for ayahuasca ingredients. Particularly how I understand it's made in Peru, which is with what I've heard described a red Aya vine, which I'm unsure what type of strain of B.Caapi that would be, and also Chacruna, which doesn't seem to be on that Azarius site. Also, holy shit at the prices for crushed vine on that site. The Shaman that I know of who trained in Peru said he needed something like 20 pounds of vine boiled down for 3 liters of Ayahuasca. I may not have the exact math right, and I suppose the Azarius vine is dried, but damn. There has to be a better way.
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I am on the search for ayahuasca ingredients. Particularly how I understand it's made in Peru, which is with what I've heard described a red Aya vine, which I'm unsure what type of strain of B.Caapi that would be, and also Chacruna, which doesn't seem to be on that Azarius site. Also, holy shit at the prices for crushed vine on that site. The Shaman that I know of who trained in Peru said he needed something like 20 pounds of vine boiled down for 3 liters of Ayahuasca. I may not have the exact math right, and I suppose the Azarius vine is dried, but damn. There has to be a better way.
There is, pharmahuasca, I will be listing this soon.
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The problem I have with pharmuasca is that it's not the traditional way. There is no purging, correct? Does it last as long? Are you using natural MAOI's at least? My intention is for a traditional ceremony with a shamen. I've been blessed enough to have experienced this recently, and it's healing powers are beyond words. That said, I wonder if there are any SR members who have experience with Azarius, or some other online "smartshop" as they seem to be called. They sell the dried, crushed vine as well as Chacruna, so it seems to be the way to go, but I wonder if the potency is anything like it is when it's made fresh in the rain forest.
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The problem I have with pharmuasca is that it's not the traditional way. There is no purging, correct? Does it last as long? Are you using natural MAOI's at least? My intention is for a traditional ceremony with a shamen. I've been blessed enough to have experienced this recently, and it's healing powers are beyond words. That said, I wonder if there are any SR members who have experience with Azarius, or some other online "smartshop" as they seem to be called. They sell the dried, crushed vine as well as Chacruna, so it seems to be the way to go, but I wonder if the potency is anything like it is when it's made fresh in the rain forest.
Obviously the set and setting in Peru or some other South American country with a shaman present, is going to have a profound effect on the experience. For those of us who currently do not have that opportunity, homemade pharma and aya, or even sold combinations on SR, are the only way to go. If you want quality aya ingredients like Caapi and Mimosa, check out maya-enthobotanicals. I hear nothing but good words about them, and they have a very ethical cultivation process. No it's not fresh, but it's the next best thing. Cheers.
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Thanks Jmoney, Maya Ethnobotanicals seems like a pretty great supplier. Definitely much better prices than azarius. I guess we'll see how that goes. If anyone else has had experience with them, particularly ordering from North America, I'd like to hear about it.
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permanetlyspun,
check out cerebus extracts, trance-plants, and flowing-visions. All N. American based. Maya is from NL, you'll be paying up the wazoo for shipping, they are good, they also have kambo and iboga. I use a 1:1 ratio of chacruna to caapi if chacruna is peruvian. If hawaiian chacruna you will need more like 4:1. I do a crock-pot simmer down on high with 1/4c of white vinegar, reduce, strain, repeat x3 more times. combine all extractions reduce more if necessary. Crock-pot takes a long time to reduce and you have to do several, patience is needed
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obfuscator, thanks a ton! Much needed advice.
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If you want traditional ayahuasca, not pharmahuasca, I think the best way to sell and transport it would be to prepare in the traditional way, strain, and then evaporate off the water. What you would be left with is some sort of gunk or powder that you could then quickly reconstitute and use.
Using traditional ingredients would be preferable, IMHO, but to each his own. What I mean to say is that I prefer the actual ayahuasca vine and either chacruna or chaliponga. It is a bit harder and more laborious to make, but it IS ayahuasca.
Also, as a side-note, obfuscator mentioned using vinegar in order to acidify the water for ayahuasca preparation. If anybody does decide to go that route, which certainly does increase the amount alkaloids present in the final brew, as well as speed up the process, do yourself a favor and use hydrochloric acid. The resulting brew will be MUCH easier to stomach than if vinegar or lemon juice is used. Hydrochloric acid can be easily found in hardware store as "muriatic acid." Just make sure there are no additives and it should be safe to use. Either that, or don't use an acid at all, just plain water.
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That shits too complicated for me. If anyone would prepare some and sell me bulk out of escrow, I'd love to distribute it. I'd promise to price it low as I'm not into selling this type of thing for the money, and I'm all for spiritual enlightenment. I'd want to buy a small sample to make sure it's legit of course.
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Only a shaman or people closeley in the know in that part of the world,can make Ayahuasca....
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Only a shaman or people closeley in the know in that part of the world,can make Ayahuasca....
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