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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: sofish89 on May 23, 2013, 03:59 am

Title: Heroin, raw vs scramble, No.3 vs No.4 ?
Post by: sofish89 on May 23, 2013, 03:59 am
Where I'm from we have 2 types of heroin, raw or scramble. I personally like raw better.. but scramble is ok when not much else is around..
I've noticed on SR that heroin is either number 3 or number 4..
Is raw and scramble just another name for number 3 or number 4?
and if not which is better for smoking (off tinfoil) and which is better for snorting?
I know this questions been asked a bajillion times but i keep getting error message when i try searching (says that my ip addresss just did a search less than 5 seconds ago..),
so please dont call me an asshole and give me lots of -karma for that..
Well actually karma means shit on this site, so all the haters feel free to give me as much negative karma as youd like lol :)
Thanks for your replies!
PS sorry bout the long message
Title: Re: Heroin, raw vs scramble, No.3 vs No.4 ?
Post by: wasta on May 23, 2013, 07:14 am
Number 4 is a number 3 but refined 1 time extra, usually with chloroform (in the golden triangle)
A number4 from the golden triangle (Birma, Northren Thailand ,Laos) in not smoke-able on foil.

Personally I like the alkaloids, that gives the dreamy feeling.
For that you will need the number 3.
The extra cleaning to obtain a number4 removes to much of those alkaloids.
In nr4 you will find less papaverine, thebaine, codeine etc , but more pure diacetylmorphine.

Nr4 will put you asleep, but when you wake up it seems you have missed the dream.
A nr 3 will make you nodding your head, but you will ""live"" your dream and remember it.

Snorting you can do both, but nr3 is better, at least I like it more.
To snort nr4 is more dangerous, because once in your body it can kill you quick, before you get your hands on ""Naltrexon""

For shooting is nr4 better, you don't need acid, just plain water.

Like one nr3 is not the same as a other nr3, so it is with nr4 too.

If you don't know wat you have, try a tip like the seize of a match-head, and take more from there.

Smoking on foil is my favorite way, because it can not kill you. You will pass out before you can take more from which you will die.

A nr4 is not for smoking on foil.
It can be done if you add 50% other stuff like mannitol and caffeine
Title: Re: Heroin, raw vs scramble, No.3 vs No.4 ?
Post by: sofish89 on May 23, 2013, 01:56 pm
so if i never plan on injecting h then number 3 sounds like the better (and safer) one?
Title: Re: Heroin, raw vs scramble, No.3 vs No.4 ?
Post by: sofish89 on May 23, 2013, 02:24 pm
and why is it so hard to find number 3 in the US ? is black tar number 3?
Title: Re: Heroin, raw vs scramble, No.3 vs No.4 ?
Post by: grdr on May 24, 2013, 11:48 am
black tar is smokable opiod. you can't call "heroin" black tar, you cant call heroin "no3" or "no4". There is NO HEROIN in the streets. Heroin was just a brand name 100 years ago for pure diacetylmorphine - acetylized morphine. On the streets is just strong opiods who contain some diacetylmorphine and unknown other chemicals which may also include morphine codeine or other alkaloids.

On topic if you can get black tar and you smoke - it's the best option for you because it contains diacetylmorphine (what you call heroin), also 3-monoacetylmorphine, 6-monoacetylmorphine - to sum it up it's more euphoric than regular no4 or no 3 street heroin because it has more type of opiods in it.
Title: Re: Heroin, raw vs scramble, No.3 vs No.4 ?
Post by: 013517 on May 24, 2013, 02:19 pm
Number 4 is a number 3 but refined 1 time extra, usually with chloroform (in the golden triangle)
A number4 from the golden triangle (Birma, Northren Thailand ,Laos) in not smoke-able on foil.

Personally I like the alkaloids, that gives the dreamy feeling.
For that you will need the number 3.
The extra cleaning to obtain a number4 removes to much of those alkaloids.
In nr4 you will find less papaverine, thebaine, codeine etc , but more pure diacetylmorphine.

Nr4 will put you asleep, but when you wake up it seems you have missed the dream.
A nr 3 will make you nodding your head, but you will ""live"" your dream and remember it.

Snorting you can do both, but nr3 is better, at least I like it more.
To snort nr4 is more dangerous, because once in your body it can kill you quick, before you get your hands on ""Naltrexon""

For shooting is nr4 better, you don't need acid, just plain water.

Like one nr3 is not the same as a other nr3, so it is with nr4 too.

If you don't know wat you have, try a tip like the seize of a match-head, and take more from there.

Smoking on foil is my favorite way, because it can not kill you. You will pass out before you can take more from which you will die.

A nr4 is not for smoking on foil.
It can be done if you add 50% other stuff like mannitol and caffeine

Thats just bad info.  If you dont know what you are talking about you should just not respond.

#3 is heroin base.  Easily smokable, and requires an acid like citric, vinegar, lemon juice to allow it to dissolve in liquid.
#4 is heroin hydrochloride.  It is not washed heroin, but heroin that has been salted with an acid.  Freely soluble in water because the acid has been added during production.  Golden triangle heroin is frequently washed to a higher quality to remove byproducts, but afghan #4 is more beige and contains more unreacted byproducts, as well as morphine, acetylcodeine etc.

Scramble is heroin that has been cut with quinine.  Ive never tried it but it is supposed to have a better rush.

You can add caffeine to #4 to change the boiling point and make it more easy to smoke.  Neither is inherently safer or more dangerous.  The cuts will be what makes more difference but heroin hydrochloride can be purified to a higher degree in typical underground processing.

Saying there is no heroin on the streets is ridiculous.  Clearly diacetylmorphine is heroin by convention.  That's like saying there is no tylenol in acetominophen.  Definitely on point with the tar comments grdr.
Title: Re: Heroin, raw vs scramble, No.3 vs No.4 ?
Post by: grdr on May 24, 2013, 03:46 pm
Number 4 is a number 3 but refined 1 time extra, usually with chloroform (in the golden triangle)
A number4 from the golden triangle (Birma, Northren Thailand ,Laos) in not smoke-able on foil.

Personally I like the alkaloids, that gives the dreamy feeling.
For that you will need the number 3.
The extra cleaning to obtain a number4 removes to much of those alkaloids.
In nr4 you will find less papaverine, thebaine, codeine etc , but more pure diacetylmorphine.

Nr4 will put you asleep, but when you wake up it seems you have missed the dream.
A nr 3 will make you nodding your head, but you will ""live"" your dream and remember it.

Snorting you can do both, but nr3 is better, at least I like it more.
To snort nr4 is more dangerous, because once in your body it can kill you quick, before you get your hands on ""Naltrexon""

For shooting is nr4 better, you don't need acid, just plain water.

Like one nr3 is not the same as a other nr3, so it is with nr4 too.

If you don't know wat you have, try a tip like the seize of a match-head, and take more from there.

Smoking on foil is my favorite way, because it can not kill you. You will pass out before you can take more from which you will die.

A nr4 is not for smoking on foil.
It can be done if you add 50% other stuff like mannitol and caffeine

Thats just bad info.  If you dont know what you are talking about you should just not respond.

#3 is heroin base.  Easily smokable, and requires an acid like citric, vinegar, lemon juice to allow it to dissolve in liquid.
#4 is heroin hydrochloride.  It is not washed heroin, but heroin that has been salted with an acid.  Freely soluble in water because the acid has been added during production.  Golden triangle heroin is frequently washed to a higher quality to remove byproducts, but afghan #4 is more beige and contains more unreacted byproducts, as well as morphine, acetylcodeine etc.

Scramble is heroin that has been cut with quinine.  Ive never tried it but it is supposed to have a better rush.

You can add caffeine to #4 to change the boiling point and make it more easy to smoke.  Neither is inherently safer or more dangerous.  The cuts will be what makes more difference but heroin hydrochloride can be purified to a higher degree in typical underground processing.

Saying there is no heroin on the streets is ridiculous.  Clearly diacetylmorphine is heroin by convention.  That's like saying there is no tylenol in acetominophen.  Definitely on point with the tar comments grdr.

what I mean by "heroin" is that heroin is the brand name for pure diacetylmorphine which was sold 100 years ago legally and as long as it isn't sold in pure form and legally and isn't manufactured by Bayer it doesn't even deserve to be called heroin
Title: Re: Heroin, raw vs scramble, No.3 vs No.4 ?
Post by: charas420 on May 27, 2013, 09:03 am
Number 4 is a number 3 but refined 1 time extra, usually with chloroform (in the golden triangle)
A number4 from the golden triangle (Birma, Northren Thailand ,Laos) in not smoke-able on foil.

Personally I like the alkaloids, that gives the dreamy feeling.
For that you will need the number 3.
The extra cleaning to obtain a number4 removes to much of those alkaloids.
In nr4 you will find less papaverine, thebaine, codeine etc , but more pure diacetylmorphine.

Nr4 will put you asleep, but when you wake up it seems you have missed the dream.
A nr 3 will make you nodding your head, but you will ""live"" your dream and remember it.

Snorting you can do both, but nr3 is better, at least I like it more.
To snort nr4 is more dangerous, because once in your body it can kill you quick, before you get your hands on ""Naltrexon""

For shooting is nr4 better, you don't need acid, just plain water.

Like one nr3 is not the same as a other nr3, so it is with nr4 too.

If you don't know wat you have, try a tip like the seize of a match-head, and take more from there.

Smoking on foil is my favorite way, because it can not kill you. You will pass out before you can take more from which you will die.

A nr4 is not for smoking on foil.
It can be done if you add 50% other stuff like mannitol and caffeine

Thats just bad info.  If you dont know what you are talking about you should just not respond.

#3 is heroin base.  Easily smokable, and requires an acid like citric, vinegar, lemon juice to allow it to dissolve in liquid.
#4 is heroin hydrochloride.  It is not washed heroin, but heroin that has been salted with an acid.  Freely soluble in water because the acid has been added during production.  Golden triangle heroin is frequently washed to a higher quality to remove byproducts, but afghan #4 is more beige and contains more unreacted byproducts, as well as morphine, acetylcodeine etc.

Scramble is heroin that has been cut with quinine.  Ive never tried it but it is supposed to have a better rush.

You can add caffeine to #4 to change the boiling point and make it more easy to smoke.  Neither is inherently safer or more dangerous.  The cuts will be what makes more difference but heroin hydrochloride can be purified to a higher degree in typical underground processing.

Saying there is no heroin on the streets is ridiculous.  Clearly diacetylmorphine is heroin by convention.  That's like saying there is no tylenol in acetominophen.  Definitely on point with the tar comments grdr.

Good accurate post 013517.
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