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Discussion => Philosophy, Economics and Justice => Topic started by: flicky42 on November 07, 2012, 05:38 am
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This is a fucking huge day for civil rights!!! We also got gay marriage in two states!!!!
I'm so fucking happy its unbelievable. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Washington: http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/Measures/2012/WA
Colorado:http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/298251/139/Colorado-voters-pass-Amendment-64
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link please
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/11/07/big-night-for-gay-marriage-and-marijuana-legalization/
Full legalization it seems it won't past in Oregon though. Still a major win.
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On top of that, Massachusetts passed question 3, so medical marijuana is legal there now.
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Interesting.... recreational use weed legal in the states.... thats fucked up.... only its not the case.... federal law still prohibits this....
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it will be a while still until we see "real" legal recreational marijuana.... federal law trumps state law and as I'm sure you've seen even in California medical dispensaries that have been busted even though state law said they were legit!
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Interesting.... recreational use weed legal in the states.... thats fucked up.... only its not the case.... federal law still prohibits this....
:(
it will be a while still until we see "real" legal recreational marijuana.... federal law trumps state law and as I'm sure you've seen even in California medical dispensaries that have been busted even though state law said they were legit!
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It doesn't matter this is how we fight back. The more people in this country that FORCE policticans to talk about the drug war the more the REAL facts will surface. This election the drug war wasn't mentioned ONCE when its a huge fucking problem in this country, bigger than anywhere else.
We are in the right, there is no debate we just need to shove it in there faces!
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Interesting.... recreational use weed legal in the states.... thats fucked up.... only its not the case.... federal law still prohibits this....
:(
it will be a while still until we see "real" legal recreational marijuana.... federal law trumps state law and as I'm sure you've seen even in California medical dispensaries that have been busted even though state law said they were legit!
:(
As a MJ vendor, isn't this a bad thing, as it'll hurt your profitability? I would think that drug dealers of all people would be the ones calling for tighter drug laws.
As a Colorado native, this is great news, although I'm not looking forward to the future stoner exodus to Colorado ;) .
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Interesting.... recreational use weed legal in the states.... thats fucked up.... only its not the case.... federal law still prohibits this....
:(
it will be a while still until we see "real" legal recreational marijuana.... federal law trumps state law and as I'm sure you've seen even in California medical dispensaries that have been busted even though state law said they were legit!
:(
It doesn't matter this is how we fight back. The more people in this country that FORCE policticans to talk about the drug war the more the REAL facts will surface. This election the drug war wasn't mentioned ONCE when its a huge fucking problem in this country, bigger than anywhere else.
We are in the right, there is no debate we just need to shove it in there faces!
At least its movement in the right direction... It takes a bunch of baby steps and now 2 of those steps have been taken!
:)
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well goddamn i need to move out of the fucking gay ass bible belt these motherfuckers around here will never pull their heads out of their asses fucking rednecks I'm a victim of circumstance my dad was in the army so we moved alot just so happened his last duty station was in the gay ass south so that's where i'm at
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well goddamn i need to move out of the fucking gay ass bible belt these motherfuckers around here will never pull their heads out of their asses fucking rednecks I'm a victim of circumstance my dad was in the army so we moved alot just so happened his last duty station was in the gay ass south so that's where i'm at
Hahaha cool rant FOB! I feel ya man I'm in the same sitiation. These people here are some fucking brain washed ignorant asses. It's fun down here below the mason dixon line
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well goddamn i need to move out of the fucking gay ass bible belt these motherfuckers around here will never pull their heads out of their asses fucking rednecks I'm a victim of circumstance my dad was in the army so we moved alot just so happened his last duty station was in the gay ass south so that's where i'm at
Hahaha cool rant FOB! I feel ya man I'm in the same sitiation. These people here are some fucking brain washed ignorant asses. It's fun down here below the mason dixon line
good to see some fellow southerners on here maybe not by choice though but we have some beautiful country in these parts ya know just these slow talking (close minded ) country people that make it suck not gonna say too much bad about these people b/c these fuckers are friendly as hell (and mom's family)l and laid back just not too open to new ways of thinking i mean fuck bro the civil war has been over how long now 150+ yrs loosen the fuck up already
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a former Microsoft executive, plans to spend the next year researching and building a retail marijuana business that he hopes will bring legitimacy to a long-illegal industry.
Shively said he brainstormed the idea after a few bong hits.
He plans to name the business after his great-grandfather, Diego Pellicer, who was the world's largest marijuana producer in the late 19th century
http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/former-microsoft-executive-plans-premium-pot-busin/nTKds/
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Meanwhile in Canada, cannabis production and trafficking get new mandatory minimums. I'm not really enjoying Opposites Day here on planet Earth.
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Meanwhile in Canada, cannabis production and trafficking get new mandatory minimums. I'm not really enjoying Opposites Day here on planet Earth.
Wtf? The netherlands are also having issues with their drug laws as well with the rest of the union why are we moving so far backwards on the drug war as a whole?
I mean the USA is ass backwards on just about every social policy and THIS is where we take the lead? Its just fishy I have a bad feeling about this just being a small bump in the legality of marijuana.
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i believe proposition 64 is what its called colorado and washington,limits possesion to one oz i believe.i hope california is not far off :)
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I am for this not just because I enjoy smoking weed, but I am very for individual rights. The United States is way behind though and probably will remain that way for a very long time. However, I like that things are slowly starting to change.
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I picked a bad time to move from Seattle to Texas! :-\
Hope we can keep the momentum going!
I grew up during the Nancy Reagan, Just Say No! era, so this is GREAT news, even if I don't get to partake legally down here.
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As for the amounts you can posses: in the netherlands anything below 5 grams of pot is practically legal. Amounts between 5 and 30 grans can be enforced, but as misdemeanors, carrying a fine comparable to that of exceeding the speed limit by 15 mph. Legal trouble starts to kick in after 30 grams. It greatly depends on the circumstances though. Just possessing 100 grams of pot isn't likely to land you in jail at all, unless it can be proven you were selling.
That said, the two US states have overtaken Dutch liberty where cannabis is concerned: In holland it is still illegal to grow pot in any serious amounts, and tthe supply end of the coffee shops has never been properly addressed during decades of liberal policy on possession and consumption.
In holland opinions are very divided on how to proceed though. Some feel that the policy should be more repressive, while others feel we should do the same thing that those two american states did: legalize the entire chain of production and resale, and collect VAT on the sales. Personally i hope it will boil down to the latter, making cannabis a product comparable to, say, lettuce.
Interestingly, most current cannabis producers in holland would not be happy with that at all. If it can be grown legally in greenhouses like vegetables, the prices would drop, and no criminal money would be gained anymore from the cannabis industry. Once fully legalized it will prove that cannabis is a crop that will yield little profit to its producers. If legal production in greenhouses were to be legalized we'd be looking at <$1 a gram prices including 21% vat. The users would be the only ones being better off.
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Obama wants to sue the states
Cameron is against decriminalizing/legalizing
Great minds?
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Obama wants to sue the states
Cameron is against decriminalizing/legalizing
Great minds?
Source?
I fucking hate Obama where is the logic behind hating marijuana so much.
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Obama wants to sue the states
Cameron is against decriminalizing/legalizing
Great minds?
Source?
I fucking hate Obama where is the logic behind hating marijuana so much.
meant obama administration btw
CLEARNET - http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/07/us/marijuana-initiatives-in-2-states-set-federal-officials-scrambling.html
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As many have noted, this seems backwards given most other US social policies especially contrasted with traditionally progressive nations moving toward increased prohibition.
So, how did this happen?
Answer: The original design of the US State system is starting to grow some balls and has told Mommy Congress and Daddy DEA "you're not the boss of me".
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Obama wants to sue the states
Cameron is against decriminalizing/legalizing
Great minds?
Source?
I fucking hate Obama where is the logic behind hating marijuana so much.
meant obama administration btw
CLEARNET - http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/07/us/marijuana-initiatives-in-2-states-set-federal-officials-scrambling.html
A more recent article with quotes from Obama himself..
CLEARNET - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/15/obamas-marijuana-comments_n_2308601.html
SAN FRANCISCO -- President Barack Obama says he won't go after pot users in Colorado and Washington, two states that just legalized the drug for recreational use. But advocates argue the president said the same thing about medical marijuana – and yet U.S. attorneys continue to force the closure of dispensaries across the U.S.
Welcome to the confusing and often conflicting policy on pot in the U.S., where medical marijuana is legal in many states, but it is increasingly difficult to grow, distribute or sell it. And at the federal level, at least officially, it is still an illegal drug everywhere.
Obama's statement Friday provided little clarity in a world where marijuana is inching ever so carefully toward legitimacy.
That conflict is perhaps the greatest in California, where the state's four U.S. Attorneys criminally prosecuted large growers and launched a coordinated crackdown on the state's medical marijuana industry last year by threatening landlords with property forfeiture actions. Hundreds of pot shops went out of business.
Steve DeAngelo, executive director of an Oakland, Calif., dispensary that claims to be the nation's largest, called for a federal policy that treats recreational and medical uses of the drug equally.
"If we're going to recognize the rights of recreational users, then we should certainly protect the rights of medical cannabis patients who legally access the medicine their doctors have recommended," he said.
The government is planning to soon release policies for dealing with marijuana in Colorado and Washington, where federal law still prohibits pot, as elsewhere in the country.
"It would be nice to get something concrete to follow," said William Osterhoudt, a San Francisco criminal defense attorney representing government officials in Mendocino County who recently received a demand from federal investigators for detailed information about a local system for licensing growers of medical marijuana.
Assemblyman Tom Ammiano said he was frustrated by Obama's comments because the federal government continues to shutter dispensaries in states with medical marijuana laws, including California.
"A good step here would be to stop raiding those legal dispensaries who are doing what they are allowed to do by law," said the San Francisco Democrat. "There's a feeling that the federal government has gone rogue on hundreds of legal, transparent medical marijuana dispensaries, so there's this feeling of them being in limbo. And it puts the patients, the businesses and the advocates in a very untenable place."
Obama, in an interview with ABC's Barbara Walters, said Friday that federal authorities have "bigger fish to fry" when it comes to targeting recreational pot smokers in Colorado and Washington.
Some advocates said the statement showed the president's willingness to allow residents of states with marijuana laws to use the drug without fear of federal prosecution.
"It's a tremendous step forward," said Joe Elford, general counsel for Americans for Safe Access. "It suggests the feds are taking seriously enough the idea that there should be a carve-out for states with marijuana laws."
Obama's statements on recreational use mirror the federal policy toward states that allow marijuana use for medical purposes.
"We are not focusing on backyard grows with small amounts of marijuana for use by seriously ill people," said Lauren Horwood, a spokeswoman for U.S. Attorney Benjamin Wagner in Sacramento. "We are targeting money-making commercial growers and distributors who use the trappings of state law as cover, but they are actually abusing state law."
Alison Holcomb, who led the legalization drive in Washington state, said she doesn't expect Obama's comment to prompt the federal government to treat recreational marijuana and medical marijuana differently.
"At this point, what the president is looking at is a response to marijuana in general. The federal government has never recognized the difference between medical and non-medical marijuana," she said. "I don't think this is the time he'd carve out separate policies. I think he's looking for a more comprehensive response."
Washington voters approved a medical marijuana law in 1998, and dispensaries have proliferated across the state in recent years.
Last year, Gov. Chris Gregoire vetoed legislation that would have created a state system for licensing medical dispensaries over concern that it would require state workers to violate the federal Controlled Substances Act.
For the most part, dispensaries in western Washington have been left alone. But federal authorities did conduct raids earlier this year on dispensaries they said were acting outside the state law, such as selling marijuana to non-patients. Warning letters have been sent to dispensaries that operate too close to schools.
"What we've seen is enforcement of civil laws and warnings, with a handful of arrests of people who were operating outside state law," Holcomb said.
Eastern Washington has seen more raids because the U.S. attorney there is more active, Holcomb added.
Colorado's marijuana measure requires lawmakers to allow commercial pot sales, and a state task force that will begin writing those regulations meets Monday.
State officials have reached out to the Justice Department seeking help on regulating a new legal marijuana industry but haven't heard back.
DeAngelo said Friday that the Justice Department should freeze all pending enforcement actions against legal medical cannabis providers and review its policies to make sure they're consistent with the president's position. He estimated federal officials have shuttered 600 dispensaries in the state and 1,000 nationwide.
DeAngelo's Harborside Health Center is facing eviction after the U.S. attorney in San Francisco pressured his landlord to stop harboring what the government considers an illegal business.
"While it's nice to hear these sorts of positive words from the president, we are facing efforts by the Justice Department to shut us down, so it's hard for me to take them seriously," DeAngelo said.
The dispensary has a hearing Thursday in federal court on the matter.
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Associated Press writers Terry Collins in San Francisco and Manuel Valdes in Seattle contributed to this report.
It sounds like hes going to be cool with the recreational users at least. However it sounds like they are still interested in dealers. This is a little ironic up because someone has to supply that ounce to various rec users and it sounds like those are the ones hes most interested in going after. Most people don't know shit about growing a plant and will need to buy in order to smoke. Create a demand for a product, but arrest anyone supplying. Hopefully they refine their stance on the states rights to experiment with legalization.
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As a MJ vendor, isn't this a bad thing, as it'll hurt your profitability? I would think that drug dealers of all people would be the ones calling for tighter drug laws.
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Or they could start a great business and help drugs become mainstream again.
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Perhaps it would be good for people living in Colorado and Washington to be marijuana vendors then. Since it's now legal there I would think that they can get marijuana cheaply and easily and then sell it to people living in the other states.