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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Oliver on August 07, 2012, 05:49 am
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Okay everyone here all the rules and regulations
Starting this afternoon (Aug 6th) I started a contest for all those all those who purchase 1 gram of my Alprazolam powder. The contest will run from now until Tuesday August 21st at 6:30am ET. I will have the results within an hour or two after time runs out. Until the 21st, if you purchase a gram of my powder you will be eligible for the 5 gram giveaway. How every many times you purchase a gram you will go into the drawing. Meaning you purchase 5 separate grams and you will go into the drawing 5 times.
ALSO: If I get at least 50 1 gram orders before the 20st of August then I will be bumping the giveaway to 10 GRAMS!
For information regarding the details of the giveaway please read viyai's post just below this post.
NOTE: ONLY 1 GRAM ORDERS ARE ELIGIBLE.
Please spread the word. We're talking about 5,000 to 10,000 mgs here! FOR FREE!
*Also sorry but this giveaway is only for Domestic Individuals. Sending that much powder would definitely be a customs risk.
**I WILL NEED TO SELL AT LEAST 35 1 GRAM ORDERS FOR THE DRAWING TO BE VALID.
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This is a topic that I am interesting in.
I have considered putting fair auditable lotto on here recently, but have not pulled the trigger (mainly because I am not sure what would motivate people the most as a prize).
I have a way that you can do it with everyone remaining anonymous, but can prove that the game was fair if they have a complaint and that they either won or lost legitimately and randomly for everyone that plays to audit.
It goes like this:
1) You start a lotto thread here on the forum
2) The end date needs to be before 11:00pm on tuesday or friday (the reason why will be apparent in a moment)
3) As people buy entries (grams) they are issued the following entry numbers (which are posted in the forum):
sha256 hash of: username + transaction # + gram count
You can generate sha256 hash online here (warning clearnet) http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator
...so lets say I bought 12g from you and the transaction number is 6248627cb3, and user SuperUserMan bought 3 grams with transaction number 1238a272b5 the codes would be:
viyai6248627cb31 = cd2cec3dcb44edfcadaba23dd391a3347cf046f0389640b5e35383b30c2d4f1f
viyai6248627cb32 = d49a46c6046beb5e7e5dd1266b80213133f6053e3f1abbbd5783ee986c81c4f5
viyai6248627cb33 = ed5d6ec94d2a49045a8dcc51f33e2a088d2f09b3dbe7d1c7c3a740ba0b9c7ac8
viyai6248627cb34 = ec0070774ebca3dbd06bf6a6c94469833d94fa848c625f9496bfd2e56868de69
viyai6248627cb35 = 9ea577235671ee5d66ff4d3120d8572f4766376ae17f356c37e3aaffe3796359
viyai6248627cb36 = a78220a69c7839dd2b61670cf1bc735a165f9acb5228b9cb45a9a183f0ae11ac
viyai6248627cb37 = 0145a41609bbe135eb213409b34ac317d1da53f1e820e4a003dd3aa826ba251c
viyai6248627cb38 = 2eb0e47c645bc9ed28c94b69ec048ac6e0230e269253e052d379787c0334288c
viyai6248627cb39 = 9a418287638dd68356e70988196cafa4501ef8197202985202f9b3bfe272204b
viyai6248627cb310 = 59c2b6cd0cc3a93eeda4dfc7abcb97a83e98e6cea325240843161714d9a36dbd
viyai6248627cb311 = 39571a1f48ef307c11aea33172fc41c54b7c686067311aee63a74cd14e7d4b66
viyai6248627cb312 = 25eaf69bd3fa277633deddef19261ab3e130157ee20c0b8d7cd546a9afc34ba9
SuperUserMan1238a272b51 = 50d48afb590f72003d76fa5571e358a7b76d6ede4a65972d46c91352e4a751aa
SuperUserMan1238a272b52 = 162f8dd29f1a4cf035f812d4d244dca74cef4739effd75f0eaa8ac0974ecb2ce
SuperUserMan1238a272b53 = 76f453da0dfa5297668f44287ac834219d5c8179de6626b2e1c12a1e00741857
..so you would post the part after the "=" on the forum as new people purchased. This can not be reversed by other users in the forum to find out who or how much was purchased. So no one know if 15 separate people bought a gram from you or if 1 person bought 15 grams. But it does let the customer confirm that they are on the list, because they know the 3 pieces of information.
Next when the tuesday or friday that you choose for the end of the lotto comes around you get the winning random numbers from (warning clearnet) http://www.megamillions.com/numbers/ and append to entry hashes and sha256 hash again to get each persons game hash. So if the winning numbers are 2-10-13-38-46-2, you would append 2101338462 to the end of each hash, so the above would look like this after appending the winning random lotto number:
cd2cec3dcb44edfcadaba23dd391a3347cf046f0389640b5e35383b30c2d4f1f2101338462
d49a46c6046beb5e7e5dd1266b80213133f6053e3f1abbbd5783ee986c81c4f52101338462
ed5d6ec94d2a49045a8dcc51f33e2a088d2f09b3dbe7d1c7c3a740ba0b9c7ac82101338462
ec0070774ebca3dbd06bf6a6c94469833d94fa848c625f9496bfd2e56868de692101338462
9ea577235671ee5d66ff4d3120d8572f4766376ae17f356c37e3aaffe37963592101338462
a78220a69c7839dd2b61670cf1bc735a165f9acb5228b9cb45a9a183f0ae11ac2101338462
0145a41609bbe135eb213409b34ac317d1da53f1e820e4a003dd3aa826ba251c2101338462
2eb0e47c645bc9ed28c94b69ec048ac6e0230e269253e052d379787c0334288c2101338462
9a418287638dd68356e70988196cafa4501ef8197202985202f9b3bfe272204b2101338462
59c2b6cd0cc3a93eeda4dfc7abcb97a83e98e6cea325240843161714d9a36dbd2101338462
39571a1f48ef307c11aea33172fc41c54b7c686067311aee63a74cd14e7d4b662101338462
25eaf69bd3fa277633deddef19261ab3e130157ee20c0b8d7cd546a9afc34ba92101338462
50d48afb590f72003d76fa5571e358a7b76d6ede4a65972d46c91352e4a751aa2101338462
162f8dd29f1a4cf035f812d4d244dca74cef4739effd75f0eaa8ac0974ecb2ce2101338462
76f453da0dfa5297668f44287ac834219d5c8179de6626b2e1c12a1e007418572101338462
and each person's final game hash would be like this: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 are then sorted in hexidecimal numerical order (with 0-9 coming before a-f), with the smallest number winning (you could also have a second and third place if you wanted). That would look like this: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...so in this case the winner is 006cef7529095b23245f708018fca47535ccff30791a9ad4888529374246b8af which is from the 2eb0e47c645bc9ed28c94b69ec048ac6e0230e269253e052d379787c0334288c2101338462 hash, which in turn is from the hash of viyai6248627cb38. So I would win from the 8th gram that I bought on transaction# 6248627cb3. This is kind of expected since I have 12 entry numbers and SuperUserMan only has 3.
Now all of this might seem complicated, but it is out in the open for everyone to verify at all times, the results can not be controlled by you, and it is anonymous, as long as no one has a complaint (more on that later).
The benefits are:
1) always 1 winner, no matter how many are playing (also can give sorted list so you can have a grand prize, 1st place, and 2nd place if you wanted)
2) it is verifiable to be fair and out of your control. each person can track their progress, as can everyone on the forums, without actually knowing who is playing
3) you can not cheat the winner, because she can prove to everyone that she actually won
4) people can not cheat you, because they will be unable to prove that they won
So what happens if someone tries to say you cheated them or tries to cheat you?
1) You have entered the entry hashes on the forum (or maybe on your profile page) for the whole world to see as they are bought.
2) They can easily prove that the hash is theirs if they want to not be anonymous anymore, by saying their username, transaction number, and # grams purchased. Three parties know this information: You, the buyer, and silk road admins. So this can be proven without doubt.
3) The lotto winning numbers and the hashes are available to everyone on the forum.
4) You have no power to fix transaction number, and certainly no power to force certain lotto numbers
5) sha256 hashes are mathematically distributed fairly over time. Again this is out of your control
The only drawback is that some people might find it complicated.
The main point, however is, that any buyer can prove to themselves (and everyone else, if they want to) that they either won or lost fairly and it is impossible for you to cheat them and easy to prove if they try to cheat you.
What do you think?
(side note: If you think it would be too complicated for customers, but like the idea, I could probably put together a simple javascript in-browser app that can be run in local browser by customer with no remote connect, that you can distribute to people who don't know how to do it by hand, and makes it clear what is going on. But it is not strictly necessary, because anyone can use any sha256 hashing app to prove the results to themselves or others.)
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Giveaway has been cancelled. Since there were only 10 people who bought 1 gram bags in two weeks it is pointless to continue. We would need at least 25 orders of 1 gram orders in a week for the giveaway to be eligible and that is OBVIOUSLY not going to happen. IF anyone was playing I am sorry but there was obviously absolutely no interest in this.