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Title: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: wubwubwub45 on November 28, 2012, 03:13 am
I had an argue with a friend and he most likely pulled out facts that wasnt that great in my opinion about LSD was worst than MDMA but i know for  fact that MD is kind of highly neurotoxic. What do you guys think? Its would be nice to have some facts too to support your opinion :)
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: envioso on November 28, 2012, 03:21 am
lsd is definitely safer. how often does anyone die from a direct effect of lsd?
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: James Hardens Beard on November 28, 2012, 03:37 am
lsd is definitely safer. how often does anyone die from a direct effect of lsd?
would you rather take 100mg of lsd or 100mg of mdma? I personally would rather take 100mg of mdma and not lose my mind for the rest of my life. :P
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: anonman88 on November 28, 2012, 04:07 am
it really depends on in what way you mean. in terms of overdosing, LSD is definitely safer, requiring around 100,000uq to overdose, as opposed to mdma which has a much smaller number. however, LSD can bring out mental illness. personally, i enjoy both :)
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: James Hardens Beard on November 28, 2012, 04:21 am
lsd is definitely safer. how often does anyone die from a direct effect of lsd?
would you rather take 100mg of lsd or 100mg of mdma? I personally would rather take 100mg of mdma and not lose my mind for the rest of my life. :P

Quite a novice answer and obviously not experienced with LSD.
LSD is far safer than MDMA. Please look at statistical data on the deaths of both and come back into this thread. Better yet, find ONE death by LSD alone or one case in which LSD has caused someone to "lose their mind" in which the user was NOT predisposed to mental illness.

Both are beautiful, yet the answer is simple:

LSD > MDMA

As far as safety is concerned.
I am quite aware that there are no linked deaths to overdose on LSD, you're not the only one who knows how to read erowid.

And like I said I would much rather take 100mg of mdma than 100mg of lsd any day lol. All I'm saying is on a dosage scale I would feel a lot more comfortable taking larger doses of molly than acid. And to imply that you can take as much acid as you want and you will have no negative side effects is just stupid

Again, as far as safety is concerned, just because they can't overdose doesn't mean they can't do something stupid while under its influence (same applies to molly). As long as both are administered correctly and kept within your own threshold they're both safe and amazing drugs (I personally prefer molly, but to each their own).
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: TK1991 on November 28, 2012, 04:34 am
lsd is definitely safer. how often does anyone die from a direct effect of lsd?
would you rather take 100mg of lsd or 100mg of mdma? I personally would rather take 100mg of mdma and not lose my mind for the rest of my life. :P

Quite a novice answer and obviously not experienced with LSD.
LSD is far safer than MDMA. Please look at statistical data on the deaths of both and come back into this thread. Better yet, find ONE death by LSD alone or one case in which LSD has caused someone to "lose their mind" in which the user was NOT predisposed to mental illness.

Both are beautiful, yet the answer is simple:

LSD > MDMA

As far as safety is concerned.
I am quite aware that there are no linked deaths to overdose on LSD, you're not the only one who knows how to read erowid.

And like I said I would much rather take 100mg of mdma than 100mg of lsd any day lol. All I'm saying is on a dosage scale I would feel a lot more comfortable taking larger doses of molly than acid. And to imply that you can take as much acid as you want and you will have no negative side effects is just stupid

Again, as far as safety is concerned, just because they can't overdose doesn't mean they can't do something stupid while under its influence (same applies to molly). As long as both are administered correctly and kept within your own threshold they're both safe and amazing drugs (I personally prefer molly, but to each their own).

Have to be pretty ballin to have 100mg of lsd laying around. Pretty easy for some dumb kid to gobble down a gram in a beer or eat 10 pills at a party
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: James Hardens Beard on November 28, 2012, 04:41 am
This is too true, unfortunately. I guess my argument is kind of moot now.  :-[
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: TK1991 on November 28, 2012, 04:59 am
As long as both are administered correctly and kept within your own threshold they're both safe and amazing drugs (I personally prefer molly, but to each their own).

I think both are best administered together in the presence of bass music.  ;D
I take mdma and everything, honestly only way I'll do mushrooms anymore
LSD is one of the most potent drugs known to man though if looked at in that context it's probably more dangerous than crack/heroin, anything really. 10mg of of H/C you'd barely feel it where as LSD you'd be talking to your your neighbors fingertips through the toaster.
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: James Hardens Beard on November 28, 2012, 05:12 am
Somehow drugs + a bass making wub...wubWUBWUBwub sounds is one the greatest things ever, I love imagining the bass in songs is sometimes a hungry music monster growling. and dancing
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: The Mustard Walrus on November 28, 2012, 05:37 am
I don't think "which is safer" is the right question to ask, considering safe use of either drug depends more on the responsibility of the individual using them. Asking "which generally causes more harm" is a better question in my opinion. And my answer to that question would be MDMA. I love both of these substances, but I think MDMA is more addictive, has more potential for abuse, and is definitely more neurotoxic. Potential harm coming from LSD is primarily psychological, and of course, that psychological influence can lead to physical harm... but interactions with the compound itself are not physiologically damaging. MDMA, on the other hand, can directly cause physiological damage, whether by its known neurotoxic effects, or by disruption of bodily systems. Particularly  the many bodily functions for which serotonin is required. Many people don't realize it, but MDMA-induced serotonin changes can affect various organ functions. For example, it can interfere with digestion and elimination. If you've ever noticed having bowel difficulties (ie constipation, anal bleeding/fissures) after starting to use MDMA, the serotonin changes may be to blame, as serotonin plays a role in intestinal motility and secretions.

Long-term changes in bodily functions can result from use of MDMA, especially when used too frequently and without proper precautions (pre/post-loading with antioxidants and recovering depleted serotonin with 5HTP).

But of course, a fool can have too much LSD and get himself seriously injured or killed as a result of some psychotic delusions. Classic example, someone has a whole lot of LSD, climbs to the top of a building, shouts "I AM THE MESSENGER!" and falls to his death.

As usual, responsibility is key!
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: TK1991 on November 28, 2012, 07:08 am
Somehow drugs + a bass making wub...wubWUBWUBwub sounds is one the greatest things ever, I love imagining the bass in songs is sometimes a hungry music monster growling. and dancing

"The earths core (believed to be a crystal of nickel iron alloy) resonates about 7 hertz (2005) at roughly 72.3 beats per minute..."
Paraphrased from a newspaper on campus
If that's true then the earth, the human heartbeat, and dubstep are all at about 140-145BPM..
Whooa.. :P
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: FartBomber on November 28, 2012, 03:12 pm
It all depends on the dose id say. Of course 100mg LSD is far more dangerous then 100mg MDMA but even though the weight is the same it would be 1000 LSD doses and only 1 MDMA dose. You can overdose of everything, salt for example is very deadly if you swallow 10 grams or so, but that would be 500 times as much as you would put on a boiled egg. Generally speaking you should compare by normal doses, so 120ug LSD compared with 120mg MDMA and in that case MDMA is clearly the more harmful one. When you compare a dose of 120mg MDMA to a few hours horseback riding the latter is much more dangerous though. Horseback riding is safer then crossing the Israeli/Gazastrip border (unless you do that on the back of a horse).

tl;dr the safety of things depends on a multitude of factors
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: wubwubwub45 on November 29, 2012, 03:49 am
I don't think "which is safer" is the right question to ask, considering safe use of either drug depends more on the responsibility of the individual using them. Asking "which generally causes more harm" is a better question in my opinion. And my answer to that question would be MDMA. I love both of these substances, but I think MDMA is more addictive, has more potential for abuse, and is definitely more neurotoxic. Potential harm coming from LSD is primarily psychological, and of course, that psychological influence can lead to physical harm... but interactions with the compound itself are not physiologically damaging. MDMA, on the other hand, can directly cause physiological damage, whether by its known neurotoxic effects, or by disruption of bodily systems. Particularly  the many bodily functions for which serotonin is required. Many people don't realize it, but MDMA-induced serotonin changes can affect various organ functions. For example, it can interfere with digestion and elimination. If you've ever noticed having bowel difficulties (ie constipation, anal bleeding/fissures) after starting to use MDMA, the serotonin changes may be to blame, as serotonin plays a role in intestinal motility and secretions.

Long-term changes in bodily functions can result from use of MDMA, especially when used too frequently and without proper precautions (pre/post-loading with antioxidants and recovering depleted serotonin with 5HTP).

But of course, a fool can have too much LSD and get himself seriously injured or killed as a result of some psychotic delusions. Classic example, someone has a whole lot of LSD, climbs to the top of a building, shouts "I AM THE MESSENGER!" and falls to his death.

As usual, responsibility is key!

wow ! thanks for the great answer and to every one too who replied ! But yeah ive seen that i had problems with the bowel(really fluid and less solid) since i started using MDMA. I never abused it hardcore. I did it at least once a month max for 3 months and after i waited 2 and a half months and dropped again. I think you guys made my mind a alot more clearer than what i was thinking before. Thanks alot to everyone for the good feedback =)
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: psychedelia on November 29, 2012, 04:12 am
LSD is safer, and better. 
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: sniper123 on December 08, 2012, 02:39 am
Candyflipping is always nice if you can handle it.
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: Ballzinator on December 08, 2012, 12:13 pm
In terms of physical side-effects and harm, definitely LSD.

lsd is definitely safer. how often does anyone die from a direct effect of lsd?
would you rather take 100mg of lsd or 100mg of mdma? I personally would rather take 100mg of mdma and not lose my mind for the rest of my life. :P
That's bullshit. Most people couldn't even afford the amount of LSD required to OD.
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: BPM on December 09, 2012, 04:00 am
LSD much more safer. 100mg of L would be 1000 doses of 100ug each. It won't kill you physically, eating 100mg of L, but rather will get your soul born again...  :o
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: TheGanjaMan on December 09, 2012, 10:56 am
LSD is not neurotoxic and therefore is safer.

With the right precautions, a normal dose for either will be extremely safe.

Personal preference for which you do however.
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: sniper123 on December 09, 2012, 01:57 pm
What about the legal aspect? Which one would you suffer more jail time for possession of? The molly or the acid? (please try to keep responses on a federal level.)
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: jagfug on December 09, 2012, 05:19 pm
I don't think "which is safer" is the right question to ask, considering safe use of either drug depends more on the responsibility of the individual using them. Asking "which generally causes more harm" is a better question in my opinion. And my answer to that question would be MDMA. I love both of these substances, but I think MDMA is more addictive, has more potential for abuse, and is definitely more neurotoxic. Potential harm coming from LSD is primarily psychological, and of course, that psychological influence can lead to physical harm... but interactions with the compound itself are not physiologically damaging. MDMA, on the other hand, can directly cause physiological damage, whether by its known neurotoxic effects, or by disruption of bodily systems. Particularly  the many bodily functions for which serotonin is required. Many people don't realize it, but MDMA-induced serotonin changes can affect various organ functions. For example, it can interfere with digestion and elimination. If you've ever noticed having bowel difficulties (ie constipation, anal bleeding/fissures) after starting to use MDMA, the serotonin changes may be to blame, as serotonin plays a role in intestinal motility and secretions.

Long-term changes in bodily functions can result from use of MDMA, especially when used too frequently and without proper precautions (pre/post-loading with antioxidants and recovering depleted serotonin with 5HTP).

But of course, a fool can have too much LSD and get himself seriously injured or killed as a result of some psychotic delusions. Classic example, someone has a whole lot of LSD, climbs to the top of a building, shouts "I AM THE MESSENGER!" and falls to his death.

As usual, responsibility is key!

Best response on this thread!   (so far)   IMHO
Most of this discussion became which flavor Ice Cream is truly the best. Which just becomes a big opinion thread.  So with that in mind, I'll share a little experience with LSD, and my reluctance to try anything since.

I'm an old fart, most likely to you Molly/Ravers, I'm assuming that, I do realize. Please don't take offense, that generalization wasn't meant to be offensive, just an identifier to juxtapose my generation.  I'll be 51 this month. My last LSD trip was in the early 1980's, and it involved NYC, going to the top of the WTC, (not trying to fly, just pushing the limits of our own fear of heights). Lot's of colors, by the time I tried to sleep, and turned out the light in my room, it was as if I was in the Yellow Submarine cartoon film, with all of those cool animations. - FYI - It had to be Red Windowpane or what was called "Half Moon blotter" - really one strong blue-green blotter, so strong, it was sold as halves-thus the name. My best friend and I used to push the limits as far as dosing, to where we alienated our friends, by taking on this "tripping all month" phase. It was Christmas 1981, we used to walk around our suburban neighborhood (Levittown, NY) looking at Christmas lights, and watching the trails of them as we went by, carrying a radio, and really enjoying ourselves. Just laughing, sitting in mounds of snow, wandering around our old school haunts from childhood. Great discussions and fantasy playing.  A lot of fun. Happy, sometimes slightly scary, as we hoped for much the same way you want the shit scared out of you by a roller coaster. Usually carrying beers and Blackberry Brandy, as well as some Valium (real Roche US-the best there ever was IMHO).

Back then college was only for specific career minded people. We took those years after HS (79 to 89), to just work, and party, and play. Went to many great rock bands shows in NYC,  Todd Rundgren's Utopia we seemed to see a lot, and also the great downtown rock like Johnny Thunders, etc - later to be given the unfortunate "punk" label (It was only R+R kids!).  You could survive on any old job back then, we were lucky to have an excellent economy for us lower middle class people-too bad those days are gone forever.

We grew up and decided we'd better start moving on, get better jobs as the 80's came to an end, and it got harder and harder to live comfortably on our income. Politics had taken the old familiar road of starting the "confiscation of wealth". Not"eat the rich", more like "eat anyone with a spare penny who might be enjoying themselves". Probably happened while we were too busy getting high. Whatever it was, the Ruling class (I think it was the democrats-funny because we thought they were one of us!- Dumb kids that we were). Either way the "party" was over. Technomusic made by computers was the worst buzz kill for our kind. Hearing that kind of BASS, blaring out of noisy niteclubs, was like spraying RAID (a common US bug spray) on our kind. We were like the post hippie generation, though we enjoyed the drugs, we realized the load of crap it was, and how it was being used to control people by those in power, those people thought they were "free" too! LOL!

I've been intrigued by the MDMA, just listening to anecdotal stories here and there, but at my age, I don't think I want to become so high that I start hugging everyone, and feeling them. That seems like something you really don't want to be doing much past your early 30's, let alone 50!! lol!

That's my story (one of many) and I"m sticking to it.

I apologize to anyone who has trouble reading anything longer than a tweet. I know it hurts the brains of some of you. My condolences.

My final thought? I'd like to try MDMA once before I die.

For now, I'll stick with Coke, Speed, Benzos. At my age, that's all that interests me. Also Heroin once in a while. Went through opiate addiction, never will take daily again!

The thought of one last good LSD trip intrigues me (and my old chum-both divorced and retired now). We're just afraid that with all we know about who's running our world, and the paranoia of the dweebs we went to school with making decisions based on the wacky liberal ideologies they learned in these left wing infested college's + universities. (NYU-YALE-Columbia etc).
We'd have such a bad trip imagining our biggest fears (their biggest ideas). Like "Sustainable Development" and the whole "Agenda 21" world government shit.

Makes you want to just start shooting these assholes !!!

See? - I better not trip again.

Take it easy people. Happy tripping, whatever you do.

Oh, and the whole "leaving it around for kids to accidentally take" - Isn't it generally assumed that nobody's going to do that?
Though if you are that stupid, here's one more piece of advice,  remember this,  "KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN" - worked for my generation, we're still here.

Also, if it's the kids of the asshole that leaves that lying around? I believe that is called, "Natural Selection".
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: sniper123 on December 09, 2012, 05:59 pm
I don't think "which is safer" is the right question to ask, considering safe use of either drug depends more on the responsibility of the individual using them. Asking "which generally causes more harm" is a better question in my opinion. And my answer to that question would be MDMA. I love both of these substances, but I think MDMA is more addictive, has more potential for abuse, and is definitely more neurotoxic. Potential harm coming from LSD is primarily psychological, and of course, that psychological influence can lead to physical harm... but interactions with the compound itself are not physiologically damaging. MDMA, on the other hand, can directly cause physiological damage, whether by its known neurotoxic effects, or by disruption of bodily systems. Particularly  the many bodily functions for which serotonin is required. Many people don't realize it, but MDMA-induced serotonin changes can affect various organ functions. For example, it can interfere with digestion and elimination. If you've ever noticed having bowel difficulties (ie constipation, anal bleeding/fissures) after starting to use MDMA, the serotonin changes may be to blame, as serotonin plays a role in intestinal motility and secretions.

Long-term changes in bodily functions can result from use of MDMA, especially when used too frequently and without proper precautions (pre/post-loading with antioxidants and recovering depleted serotonin with 5HTP).

But of course, a fool can have too much LSD and get himself seriously injured or killed as a result of some psychotic delusions. Classic example, someone has a whole lot of LSD, climbs to the top of a building, shouts "I AM THE MESSENGER!" and falls to his death.

As usual, responsibility is key!

Best response on this thread!   (so far)   IMHO
Most of this discussion became which flavor Ice Cream is truly the best. Which just becomes a big opinion thread.  So with that in mind, I'll share a little experience with LSD, and my reluctance to try anything since.

I'm an old fart, most likely to you Molly/Ravers, I'm assuming that, I do realize. Please don't take offense, that generalization wasn't meant to be offensive, just an identifier to juxtapose my generation.  I'll be 51 this month. My last LSD trip was in the early 1980's, and it involved NYC, going to the top of the WTC, (not trying to fly, just pushing the limits of our own fear of heights). Lot's of colors, by the time I tried to sleep, and turned out the light in my room, it was as if I was in the Yellow Submarine cartoon film, with all of those cool animations. - FYI - It had to be Red Windowpane or what was called "Half Moon blotter" - really one strong blue-green blotter, so strong, it was sold as halves-thus the name. My best friend and I used to push the limits as far as dosing, to where we alienated our friends, by taking on this "tripping all month" phase. It was Christmas 1981, we used to walk around our suburban neighborhood (Levittown, NY) looking at Christmas lights, and watching the trails of them as we went by, carrying a radio, and really enjoying ourselves. Just laughing, sitting in mounds of snow, wandering around our old school haunts from childhood. Great discussions and fantasy playing.  A lot of fun. Happy, sometimes slightly scary, as we hoped for much the same way you want the shit scared out of you by a roller coaster. Usually carrying beers and Blackberry Brandy, as well as some Valium (real Roche US-the best there ever was IMHO).

Back then college was only for specific career minded people. We took those years after HS (79 to 89), to just work, and party, and play. Went to many great rock bands shows in NYC,  Todd Rundgren's Utopia we seemed to see a lot, and also the great downtown rock like Johnny Thunders, etc - later to be given the unfortunate "punk" label (It was only R+R kids!).  You could survive on any old job back then, we were lucky to have an excellent economy for us lower middle class people-too bad those days are gone forever.

We grew up and decided we'd better start moving on, get better jobs as the 80's came to an end, and it got harder and harder to live comfortably on our income. Politics had taken the old familiar road of starting the "confiscation of wealth". Not"eat the rich", more like "eat anyone with a spare penny who might be enjoying themselves". Probably happened while we were too busy getting high. Whatever it was, the Ruling class (I think it was the democrats-funny because we thought they were one of us!- Dumb kids that we were). Either way the "party" was over. Technomusic made by computers was the worst buzz kill for our kind. Hearing that kind of BASS, blaring out of noisy niteclubs, was like spraying RAID (a common US bug spray) on our kind. We were like the post hippie generation, though we enjoyed the drugs, we realized the load of crap it was, and how it was being used to control people by those in power, those people thought they were "free" too! LOL!

I've been intrigued by the MDMA, just listening to anecdotal stories here and there, but at my age, I don't think I want to become so high that I start hugging everyone, and feeling them. That seems like something you really don't want to be doing much past your early 30's, let alone 50!! lol!

That's my story (one of many) and I"m sticking to it.

I apologize to anyone who has trouble reading anything longer than a tweet. I know it hurts the brains of some of you. My condolences.

My final thought? I'd like to try MDMA once before I die.

For now, I'll stick with Coke, Speed, Benzos. At my age, that's all that interests me. Also Heroin once in a while. Went through opiate addiction, never will take daily again!

The thought of one last good LSD trip intrigues me (and my old chum-both divorced and retired now). We're just afraid that with all we know about who's running our world, and the paranoia of the dweebs we went to school with making decisions based on the wacky liberal ideologies they learned in these left wing infested college's + universities. (NYU-YALE-Columbia etc).
We'd have such a bad trip imagining our biggest fears (their biggest ideas). Like "Sustainable Development" and the whole "Agenda 21" world government shit.

Makes you want to just start shooting these assholes !!!

See? - I better not trip again.

Take it easy people. Happy tripping, whatever you do.

Oh, and the whole "leaving it around for kids to accidentally take" - Isn't it generally assumed that nobody's going to do that?
Though if you are that stupid, here's one more piece of advice,  remember this,  "KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN" - worked for my generation, we're still here.

Also, if it's the kids of the asshole that leaves that lying around? I believe that is called, "Natural Selection".
Give this man a tab, a roll, and a gun! Karma +1
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: Zebra2 on December 10, 2012, 02:25 am
In my opinion mdma is the safer drug because it is a stimulant.
I have experience with both, mdma (stimulant) and mushrooms (halocinogen) and I must say I felt safer with extasy.
Lsd is a halocinogen which cause huge hallucinations so you should not do lsd alone.
You need a person which takes care of you.
Sorry for my bad english :)
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: BossNab on December 10, 2012, 10:51 pm
LSD is safer, and better.

+1

MDMA is nice for awhile but over time you build a heavy tolerance. I just do not feel the same effect from MDMA as I did the first few times I've tried it. And this is after take extended breaks from the stuff. This is not to say that you cannot build up a tolerance to LSD. I just feel like it takes much longer to do so. LSD always hits me the same way every time. I never have to worry about quality or purity. Just dosage (in ug). Furthermore, the comedown from LSD is almost non-existent. Whereas the comedown from MDMA is definitely there every single time in one way or another.

All in all, I personally believe LSD is much much more safer than MDMA. People have been taking LSD for years and years. MDMA, at least in my area has only recently started to boom to a huge scale. So I would say it is relatively new...ish when compared to LSD. But not really.

Just take a tab. You'll thank me later.
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: acidsoldier on December 14, 2012, 01:01 am
I think that everyone before using any psychedelics should learn and read a lot about it... Knowledge it's most important imo... When we r confident about it I can't imagine bad trip... Stanislav Grof, Timothy Leary, Albert Hofmann, Sasha Shulgin it's basic... We need to be well prepared before trippin'... It's not about safe drug... When our mind is prepared for psychedelics ur s safe. !  Much love bros,

acidsoldier
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: acidsoldier on December 14, 2012, 01:23 am
According to Stanislav Grof symptoms of bad trip mostly will help us because it's kind of memories from our live and in conclusion we can fight, destroy and change our problems/troubles...  For me it's best medicine...
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: anonman88 on December 14, 2012, 02:12 am
When we r confident about it I can't imagine bad trip...

Straight up, I can even ride the symptoms of a bad trip and still be enjoying it.
i have to agree with this, i'm pretty sure i can't have a bad trip on LSD. that being said, i haven't taken any crazy high doses, but i'm still pretty sure i can't have a bad trip :)
Title: Re: LSD or MDMA / Which one is safer ?
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on December 14, 2012, 02:19 am
ELLLL ESSSS DEEEE 8)