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Market => Product requests => Topic started by: grdr on November 29, 2012, 09:09 pm

Title: bk-methyldiacetylmorphin
Post by: grdr on November 29, 2012, 09:09 pm
Anyone has this drug ?
Title: Re: bk-methyldiacetylmorphin
Post by: Litescape on November 30, 2012, 03:00 am
This doesn't exist, where did you get that idea?

What's wrong with some nice afghan heroin, eh?
Title: Re: bk-methyldiacetylmorphin
Post by: nosaj_thing on November 30, 2012, 10:12 am
... lol

beta ketone methyldiacetylmorphine? what the fuck are you on?

can i have some?
Title: Re: bk-methyldiacetylmorphin
Post by: grdr on November 30, 2012, 12:10 pm
don't know much about it but i know that in some countries they give it with methadone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR4CMaY8Gjg
Title: Re: bk-methyldiacetylmorphin
Post by: hashmat on December 01, 2012, 02:23 pm
Cool. Next time i get dosed i'll ask them for a boost of beta ketone Dope, Im feeling abit lousy.
no i didnt bother watching the clip. Was it good? :-\
Title: Re: bk-methyldiacetylmorphin
Post by: quinone on December 01, 2012, 05:54 pm
Only phenethylamines have structural cathinone's (PEA's with a ketone at the second carbon from the phenyl ring ... or the beta carbon).

Heroin is a morphine analog (diacetylated morphine) and thus has morphine as it's backbone.  There is no such thing as making a beta ketone (bk) on a morphine backbone. 

I mean yes there are a few ethyl groups upon which one can ketonate a beta carbon of that moiety of the molecule, but that would do absolutely nothing to it's effect's.

Beta ketonation (within the context of psychotropic drug pharmacology) is only done on chemicals with a phenethylamine backbone, and because of the unique properties they exhibit.  That's why the chemistry community has sub-categorized phenethylamine analogs with a beta ketone as a class of chemical analogs their own that are called cathinone's.

In other words, a phenethylamine backbone and a morphine backbone are radically different looking structures and perhaps in a lab the ketonation of some poly caarbonyl moiety of the morphine backbone might confer some sort of difference in effect and properties, but this can never happen as the molecules stability will be destroyed ... read on as to why :).  Morphine analogs are highly aromatic (that word does not mean smell lol, it has to do with ... rings) with several phenyl groups, one that's even in a uniquely strained conformation because it's an indole like structure whose primary amine 'forces' it to adopt a conformation that is perpendicular to the plane of the morphine moiety. 

Come to think of it, there is actually only TWO ethyl moiety in the entire molecule whose second carbon could be ketonated.  Only problem is one of the carbons is directly adjacent to the primary amine, so ketonating it will just produce an unstable structure.  The second problem is that the only other carbon that can be ketonated is one of the two carbons that are acetylated to make diacetylmorphine (Heroin).  In fact, interestingly enough is that in a diacetylmorphine molecule, ketonation of one of the two substituted acetyl's yields OXYCODONE :) (with one minor difference in that the 2' of the indole like structure is hydroxylated ... but that point is irrelevant to this discussion, it's involved in another part of the molecule and exists because ketonation of the otherwise acetylated group destroys the allyl moiety and thus to destroys the partial aromaticity of this phenyl group, so hydroxylation of the adjacent indole like group is necessary to maintain as many resonance structures as possible, without it the molecule (Oxycodone) would be unstable).

In short, you can't compare apples to oranges.  Phenethylamines are apples, morphines are oranges :P :P

Every other carbon is bound within resonance stabilized aromatic structures whose alterations would destroy aromaticity and the number of resonance structures making for an unstable molecule.

Oh and that youtube video says in it's description that it's bk-MDMC, which is a structural phenethylamine analog (vs. a morphine analog).  bk-MDMC is a cathinone that is structurally identical to methylone (the cathinone analog of MDMA) with the difference being that instead of there being a methylenedioxy bridge at the 3' and 4' positions on the phenyl like in MDMA and methylone there is an ethylenedioxy moeity at the 3' and 4' positions of the phenyl group.  In other words buddy wasnt shooting up morphine or any opiate analog, he was shooting a phenethylamine analog. 

In fact, the description cannot actually tell you what chemical it is because the more correct nomenclature for methylone (bk-MDMA) is to be named as an MDMC analog, but Dr. Shulgin, through the process of manufacturing a non cathinone phenethylamine analog with a 3,4' ethylenedioxy group on the phenyl took the abbreviation MDMC to describe this non cathinone phenethylamine analog with an ethylenedioxy moiety instead.  The correct abbreviations are actually EDMA (3,4-Ethylenedioxymethamphetamine) and bk-EDMA for the cathinone analog of EDMA.

In other words bro doesn't know what he's shooting up in that video cuz he has used the ambiguous name MDMC that was created by Dr. Shulgin during his research.  He could be taking a methylenedioxy substituted cathinone (bk-MDMC would be the more appropriate acronym for what we now call bk-MDMA) but Dr. Shulgin  had already given the MDMC abbreviation to the ethylenedioxy substituted cathinone phenethylamine analog (whose appropriate acronym is bk-EDMA), he simply doesn't provide enough information for one to know what he's injecting in the video.