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Title: Uncured weed from HaroldVSKumar
Post by: radi8power on August 28, 2012, 10:22 pm
I have been a long time heavy marijuana user, but I recently got some herb from a seller here unlike anything I have seen. I think it may be fresh off the plant, uncured? Hoping some people out there more knowledgeable about growing can give some opinions.

Characteristics:
VERY GREEN, lots of thick, long, VERY ORANGE hairs. This is some brightly colored shit.
VERY  MOIST AND STICKY. Jams up my grinder, almost turns into mush around the teeth. The bits that fall through can't be compressed together, they are almost like tiny pebbles.
I keep my glass very clean using frequent salt and alcohol rinses. I smoked just half a bowl in my freshly cleaned bubbler, and now there is already a thick, yellow, oily coating in the down stem.
Once lit, the bowl did not go out until I was done.
I smoked a joint. Like I mentioned above, the broken up buds don't really compress together, they are already hard. So it hardly took any rolling to form the joint. It burned VERY HOT and quite slowly.
The smell is strange. I smell hay, with a strong smell on top that reminds me a lot of BudderMan's THC budder. Unfortunately I have not tried any oils, but I imagine this is what cannabis oil smells like.
Stems are very soft, do not break at all.

What do you guys think? Does this describe poorly cured weed?



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Title: Re: Strange weed characteristics, is it uncured or what?
Post by: uniwiz on August 28, 2012, 11:37 pm
Did you leave it out in the open for a day?
Did it dry.
Strange, I remember someone else complaining about the same thing.

He even squeezed oil out of it.
Title: Re: Strange weed characteristics, is it uncured or what?
Post by: ProudCannabian on August 29, 2012, 12:28 am
Strange indeed.  Either green or sprayed with something I guess, though if it was green it would burn with a dark, dark ash and be hard to keep lit.
Title: Re: Strange weed characteristics, is it uncured or what?
Post by: radi8power on August 30, 2012, 12:24 am
OK, after looking around online a bit, I'm now pretty sure that this is fresh weed. The bud texture is very spongy, stems are soft, grinds down with great difficulty to much less material than the bud size would suggest, fresh smell, very difficult to light... It's worth noting that there are several seeds hiding in there too.

This is the AK47 from the new vendor HaroldVSKumar... A couple of you already asked privately anyway.
Actually, on SR feedback he just (less than an hour ago) got a 1/5 for this very reason, after a lot of glowing reviews. I am going to message him now... Note this feedback is for a different strain than the one I ordered:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/76c2f2eb20

I'm considering putting the few grams I have in the oven on low for a while. Advice, anybody? Like, 200-250F for 20 minutes or so? And how badly will this stink up my domicile?
Title: Re: Strange weed characteristics, is it uncured or what?
Post by: bill417 on August 30, 2012, 12:36 am
Yes, that can certainly stink it up.

You don't really want to set your oven on more than 100F, otherwise some of the buds goodness will get evaporated. The best way to dry your bud out though at this stage is probably just to store it in an open glass jar, in a cool but dry place.
Title: Re: Uncured weed from HaroldVSKumar
Post by: uniwiz on August 30, 2012, 01:54 am
I agree with the open glass jar, but if you can't wait, and don't mind it being harsh.
Microwave works much better.
A few minutes should give you an idea how long you need.

Wet weed to a total rip-off.
Title: Re: Uncured weed from HaroldVSKumar
Post by: Chronic Crew on August 30, 2012, 03:20 pm
ash color could help tell the tale.

black ash would indicate un-flushed and/or treated/sprayed. salts from nutes or sugars from mj harvested too early will leave a black or dark ash.

spotty ash with white or lighter center but darker gray or blackish outside usually points to too much moisture and 0 cure. usually won't stay lit or burns funky too.

smear a piece on white paper. leaves a green "grass" stain?? fresh/wet
oily or discolored smear?? something else was sprayed/treated...what that could be, ON PURPOSE, I have no idea, but I wouldn't smoke it

if you do decide heat/dry, keep temps below 120 and extend time as needed (20min. should do it). terpines (smell/taste) start dissipating above 100, but most remain till  above 130

same with the THC.

 at 120 you'll dry thoroughly, loose very little terpines, and still decarboxylize/activate all available THC-COOH into THC.
over 140 and THC will vaporize away too. leaving sterile, tasteless, bunk, bud...not much worse that what you got now!!!

I'd like to see what you got. me,my microscope and lab tech buddy are curious. un-cured mj tends to mildew/mold up with Aspergillus. white and fluffy clumps with straight, thread like mycelium branching  out from the center of contamination area. GROSS, my lungs are squirming and there's a disgusted sneer on my face. Might as well get some mexi-brick, you wouldn't be any worse off

on another note, we collected samples of mexi-brick a couple years ago and had them tested. THC was 9-14% (not too bad really), but aspergillus was at dangerous levels, enough to cause serious allergic reactions or trigger asthma....
and the pesticide tests were the MOST disturbing. not normal grow use pesticides, or even "ornamental only" types like avid, forbid or floridamite.... but chemicals from products like "raid", "whole house defense" and 'no-pest-strips' were found at 20X over legal levels (for food)

I've seen some infested gardens in my day...NEVER once tempted, or even thought to treat with fucking "RAID". mites adapt quickly to toxins, NO WONDER they've have gotten harder to eradicate over the years. azamax USED to get rid of them after 4 or so treatments, now it's barely a preventative, it will keep an infestation from growing larger, but they don't seem die anymore, they come back just as strong as soon as 1 treatment is missed

I'd trade you a gram for gram....1 only, I want to see it, not smoke it. if it is "treated" with something I'll get it lab tested

I feel dirty now....time for a shower and some of this beautiful Green Crack I'm holding to help me recover!! lol
Title: Re: Uncured weed from HaroldVSKumar
Post by: uniwiz on August 30, 2012, 04:12 pm
+1 My knowledgeable trusted vendor.

I smoke that crap for years.
One thing we noticed since getting our cannabis from SR, no red eyes?

This sounds like another vendor we had.
Timetraveler, or MHM, I can't remember, but another buyer was complaining about the something.
I think we came down to, it was still wet.
Title: Re: Uncured weed from HaroldVSKumar
Post by: dark420 on August 30, 2012, 04:35 pm
I think the title's wrong, that's not uncured, that's undried (I guess they are related, but the problems you described are of un-dried cannabis.)

The dark ash is probably not from the plant not being flushed, as that is a basic step in indoor growing that only an idiot would leave out, it's more likely to be from the clorophyll still left in the plant due to there not being a dry.
Title: Re: Uncured weed from HaroldVSKumar
Post by: bill417 on August 30, 2012, 05:06 pm
Uniwiz - by the red eyes bit are you saying that because it's higher quality stuff you're not getting them anymore, or the opposite?

Title: Re: Uncured weed from HaroldVSKumar
Post by: uniwiz on August 30, 2012, 05:31 pm
Uniwiz - by the red eyes bit are you saying that because it's higher quality stuff you're not getting them anymore, or the opposite?

I say no red eyes at all.
The swag stuff, and what was suppose to be high quality, was a give away.
People can see your red squinty eyes.
My friend said even a co-worker made a comment to him.

The weed should be better on the road.
I remember reading about another member getting a brownish oil/liquid one time.
Any vendor catch adulterating cannabis should be banned.
Wet weed is just as bad, just really stupid.


radi8power,

What did the vendor say?
I would have PM'ed him before even posting (maybe) ;)

The last three SR ratings look really bad.
Title: Re: Uncured weed from HaroldVSKumar
Post by: bill417 on August 30, 2012, 10:30 pm
Nice bit of education there > I always thought the redness was down to several things (not the strength of the particular strain).
Title: Re: Uncured weed from HaroldVSKumar
Post by: Chronic Crew on August 30, 2012, 10:31 pm
red eyes is due to the effect of thc and cbd on the circulatory system. opening every capillary on your body, including your eyes. this effect lowers blood pressure...sometimes a LOT. with old school even swag they dry their crops by composting. pile it in a corner then flip the pile as needed to control temps.. swag brick doesn't grow brown. it's MADE that way by the heat and chemicals they use to poorly dry/cure their crop.

 the heat also changes the levels and balances of thc-cooh(raw plant form, non active, the CO2 molecule is broken off with low level heat)  thc(active form we all love),  and thc-a(acid produced from degradation of thc from age or high heat).and cbd (the "anti" thc, a 50/50 blend of thc/cbd would have no high to it)

I suspect that allergic reactions to the thc-a and the other usual contaminates present like fungicides/pesticides/mold/mildew help in bringing out more red and dryness in your eyes. plus, different people handle it better, some smoke 1-2 times a month, or only after work, or morning noon night...or the ridiculous amount of flowers that seem to spontaneously combust at the mere sight of me. I woke up 6 hours ago, I've smoked 8 so far.. but it's slow today! YESTERDAY, when it was a madhouse around here. the 6 hour count would have been closer to 15. you get 3 or 4 growers together and everybody wants to share their wares, and this went on all day. one would leave and another would show to start it all over again!!! oh yeah, you guys know I make, and possess BHO too...right?? everyone else gets to leave and enjoy their buzz while I got to stay here....all day...and smoke all that weed, over and over, this strain, that strain, soil, hydro, smoke this, vape that, skillet was aglow all afternoon too, after making the Bubba and breaking out my sampler pack of 20+ strains, I filled the torch...... twice....
But that's what it takes to serve you all here.and someone's got to do it...so,  I just take one for the team, suck it up, and smoke like it's free!!

For me, after smoking some fine flowers, my eye's don't get red....but, my room mate's eyes usually look like stop signs behind fleshy slits (she doesn't smoke all day, then is a power fiend as soon as home, till bed.). I never get the munchies, my room mate will suck the meat off your forearm if your blocking access to her snack after burning one. then wants to burn again, eat, burn,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I call this the vicious circle. maybe that's why she's a fucking sea cow and I am fit and trim.

newbies on blood pressure medication should be very careful when using marijuana till your accustomed to the effects and seen a Dr. stoned. you take your pill, you smoke,eat,vape, you stand up, your world goes black, you hit the floor

I always suggest that any user with high blood pressure go to your next appointment good and toasted! 90% of the time, the doc adjusts the medication to half strength, the other 10% are taken off the BP meds completely. I have not seen,  not even once, a newer weed smoker/mmj patient with high blood pressure who didn't need their BP meds adjusted lower after beginning regular use. I HAVE SEEN several do a face plant as I was laying out this warning!! last cancer patient I got started did it on the second hit. almost in sync with "stand up, go black, hit floor..."

mine's almost ALWAYS perfect, but I'm a lifelong (40+years) smoker and I'm proud to say,  always stoned. the 1 time I wasn't high, my BP was high enough to warrant treatment . quick trip to the parking lot, got re-checked, CURED!! that day I adjusted my meds too. NEVER LEAVE HOME SOBER, NEVER RUN OUT OF MEDICATION. AND NEVER, NEVER GO OVER 4 HOURS W/O MEDICATING. I better smoke one now, just to be safe!!
Title: Re: Uncured weed from HaroldVSKumar
Post by: radi8power on August 31, 2012, 12:04 am
Thanks very much Chronic Crew, very appreciative of all the great info you've contributed here. I will be pleased to look into your oil products. :)
Uniwiz, have you done the nuker trick yourself? Full power for a few seconds at a time? Putting weed in the microwave sounds fucking crazy yo.

Paper smear test: Leaves a yellow/green stain consistent with grass stain.
Ash test: Tore off pieces of the weed-sponge and burned completely in glass bowl. Ash is mostly dark with white spots. (Now I'm high from the test and thinking that I've never looked at ashes so carefully.) Crumbles to gray dust with a very light touch.

I did message the vendor and have not heard from him, do not really expect to but we will see. In the meantime I will point him to this thread and suggest he make an appearance. I didn't want any refund, just wanted to let him know why I was changing my feedback score from 5 to 3... the first bad feedback I've ever had to leave here. Which is why I'm not really that upset about it. Like, I bought illegal drugs from an anonymous stranger on the Internet, and this time it turned out not to be the beautiful botanical specimen it was promised to be. Yet somehow, almost all my other purchases have been spectacular.

Chronic Chrew:
Thanks for the (unfair) trade offer. At this point I'm reasonably convinced that this is just a case of fresh wet weed, do either of us really want to go through the hassle? I'll keep a bud out of the microwave for you in case I change my mind. :)

Very interested in the brickweed study you mentioned. Is there a way you can share more of the results with me? Years ago I had a friend who swore she was allergic to weed, she would still smoke it if the drinks were flowing enough. We were kids then, and most everybody only knew mids. But the four or five times she smoked decent weed with me, no problems at all.

Thanks all.
Title: Re: Uncured weed from HaroldVSKumar
Post by: uniwiz on August 31, 2012, 02:14 am
 radi8power,

Yes I have more like 30 seconds until I get the weed to time ratio correct.
Works better than baking.
I use to grow, and when I wanted a quick test, or a quick buzz, thats what I would do.
Nothing better than to pinch off new growing nodes on mother, and toke them 8)
Harsh, no cure, but smokable.
Yes, I'm nuts ;D