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Market => Product requests => Topic started by: sharkonwhisky on February 20, 2012, 01:32 pm
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Hi y'all,
I posted this in the Silk Road Discussion section but it should be here I guess...
I would really like to see more mescaline vendors selling on Silk Road!! At a single vendor currently I think we can do better!! Mescaline is a fantastic substance and its use among psychedelic circles should be encouraged where possible. It would be great to see a number of vendors to encourage price competition, and if we're thinking decadent, it would be amazing to see both high quality cactus extracts and pure synthesized mescaline on offer. Also, personally, there would be major brownie points for any UK based vendor that started selling on here!!
Cheers. :)
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I second this. It would be great if the SR had more mescaline vendors and some synthetic mescaline vendors.
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We had a couple and they sold out relatively recently. Be on the lookout for the restocks.
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I'm more interested in organic extracts, but yes, I find it somewhat surprising the lack of mescaline, considering the apparent availability of San Pedro cactus and the like.
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Glad I'm not the only one! Will keep my eyes peeled.. :)
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More mescaline please! Pure, synthetic mescaline would be a tasty treat.
3,4,5-Trimethoxyamphetamine would be fantastic too.
Lack of organic mescaline is understandable really. It takes an incredibly large quantity of cacti for a miniscule extraction (for a personal previous extraction it took 22 straight hours to clean, boil, concentrate and crystallize over 2m of E. Peruvianus and E. Pachanoi into 2.5g of 50% mescaline.HCl/50% mixed alkaloids). ::)
Still, for anybody brave enough. Please put more mescaline up on SR.
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More mescaline please! Pure, synthetic mescaline would be a tasty treat.
3,4,5-Trimethoxyamphetamine would be fantastic too.
Lack of organic mescaline is understandable really. It takes an incredibly large quantity of cacti for a miniscule extraction (for a personal previous extraction it took 22 straight hours to clean, boil, concentrate and crystallize over 2m of E. Peruvianus and E. Pachanoi into 2.5g of 50% mescaline.HCl/50% mixed alkaloids). ::)
Still, for anybody brave enough. Please put more mescaline up on SR.
I know I saw TMA-2 up on SR relatively recently, but TMA-6 has been MIA...
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Yes, please!
Given quality of compound and number of requests one to start supplying would get a considerable business going.
Please look into this ... very keen to get both - extract TA and synthetic
Awaiting ...
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It seems like mescaline must not be that lucrative. I have seen a number of vendors pop up offer good mescaline but then only to drop out of sight.
Yes, please!
Given quality of compound and number of requests one to start supplying would get a considerable business going.
Please look into this ... very keen to get both - extract TA and synthetic
Awaiting ...
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Mescaline is relatively difficult to extract/synthesize, and extraction yields are generally low...
If one had a source for a shitload of cactus and the will to pull it off...they could produce a lot of mescaline, but it would still be a low profit margin compared to other things I think.
Also it's added work to purify the extracted mescaline...would anyone be interested in paying for a full-spectrum extraction? It's a bit different, than just taking pure mescaline...some like it better. :)
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I'm more interested in organic extracts, but yes, I find it somewhat surprising the lack of mescaline, considering the apparent availability of San Pedro cactus and the like.
As others have pointed out, the availability of San Pedro is only half the battle. The time needed for the mescaline to dissolve into the solvent is lengthy if you want good return ratios. A good amount of the extraction time is just sitting and waiting - and there is no way to speed this time up outside of settling for lower yields. The only way I found to increase production was buying more containers for soaking and more separatory funnels and more etc etc. If you want to do a food grade extraction with D-Limonene as opposed to Xylol/Xylene, D-Limonene is expensive itself. Xylol is cheaper but if you want to do this on large scale you need a factory where you can have horrid smells all the time.
I posted in one thread asking what people would pay for mesc and was told I think $700 for an ounce which immediately cancelled any thought I ever had of selling the stock I've made over time through personal extraction. Mostly because money is of less consequence to me than time these days and when I think of all the time that went into extracting this lovely chemical I can't imagine ever going through that again.
On a side note - has anyone tried synthetic mescaline? Can anyone compare between extracted versus synthetic?
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I'm more interested in organic extracts, but yes, I find it somewhat surprising the lack of mescaline, considering the apparent availability of San Pedro cactus and the like.
As others have pointed out, the availability of San Pedro is only half the battle. The time needed for the mescaline to dissolve into the solvent is lengthy if you want good return ratios. A good amount of the extraction time is just sitting and waiting - and there is no way to speed this time up outside of settling for lower yields. The only way I found to increase production was buying more containers for soaking and more separatory funnels and more etc etc. If you want to do a food grade extraction with D-Limonene as opposed to Xylol/Xylene, D-Limonene is expensive itself. Xylol is cheaper but if you want to do this on large scale you need a factory where you can have horrid smells all the time.
I posted in one thread asking what people would pay for mesc and was told I think $700 for an ounce which immediately cancelled any thought I ever had of selling the stock I've made over time through personal extraction. Mostly because money is of less consequence to me than time these days and when I think of all the time that went into extracting this lovely chemical I can't imagine ever going through that again.
On a side note - has anyone tried synthetic mescaline? Can anyone compare between extracted versus synthetic?
Hello, hoobydoobydoo,
I agree that $700 for an ounce sounds low.
I think that now synthetic one goes for about 100$ per gram and that an extract should command some premium ... say 20%?
would that make it more interesting for you?
if I can get my hands on some extract I would be able to do a comparison and potentially a write-up
Thank you
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More mescaline please! Pure, synthetic mescaline would be a tasty treat.
3,4,5-Trimethoxyamphetamine would be fantastic too.
Lack of organic mescaline is understandable really. It takes an incredibly large quantity of cacti for a miniscule extraction (for a personal previous extraction it took 22 straight hours to clean, boil, concentrate and crystallize over 2m of E. Peruvianus and E. Pachanoi into 2.5g of 50% mescaline.HCl/50% mixed alkaloids). ::)
Still, for anybody brave enough. Please put more mescaline up on SR.
Why no mention of trichocereus bridgesii? its better then pachnaoi and peruvianus is so unreliable its not worth using.
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Why no mention of trichocereus bridgesii? its better then pachnaoi and peruvianus is so unreliable its not worth using.
It is just harder to come by. Pachanoi is everywhere and you have shops selling already made dried powder forms and chips which makes the extract teks easier. Dealing with the sticky gooey pointy cactus ain't no fun.
Prior to my true extract days I used to just boil everything down into a horrible green sludge. I remember cutting the damn spikes and peeling the wax and everything. What a pain in the ass.
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Hello, hoobydoobydoo,
I agree that $700 for an ounce sounds low.
I think that now synthetic one goes for about 100$ per gram and that an extract should command some premium ... say 20%?
would that make it more interesting for you?
if I can get my hands on some extract I would be able to do a comparison and potentially a write-up
That price would be fine to make a decent profit if I had the time to continue doing extractions - but I just don't. My career and family life is too demanding now for me to do any more extractions. I had 5g from my stash I decided I would be okay with parting with but after the SR vendor account cost it just doesn't make any sense at all. I would have to sell it all just to make my money back without any profit.
I did post a tek in another thread on here with 100% of all sources needed to create pure mescaline HCL Still waiting for one of the other users to try it out. I would love to help someone else get started on this to improve the SR community. I am not a chemist by any means but became very good at this so I am confident others could be as well. If anyone would like any guidance or assistance please PM me.
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I just got some synthetic mescaline from mahakala today (350mg). Since I have never taken any before, is this a good dose? I don't know much about it in regards to how long the trip lasts, how much, if any, vomiting I'll be doing, etc. What's it like?
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I just got some synthetic mescaline from mahakala today (350mg). Since I have never taken any before, is this a good dose? I don't know much about it in regards to how long the trip lasts, how much, if any, vomiting I'll be doing, etc. What's it like?
I have never tried synthetic mescaline but am very experienced with extract. For extract, 350mg is a healthy dose to start with.
Most people start feeling effects around 200mg but it is pretty slight. 250-350 are good starter doses. 350-500 would be okay for someone wanting to experience a pretty strong trip. I would not recommend more than 500 for anyone their first time unless they were a very experienced psychonaut and enjoy intense trips.
Assuming you are taking it orally, you will start to feel very minimal effects about 45 minutes or so in. It will continually to get gradually stronger. At about 2 hours after ingestion you should be feeling it pretty good but still going up. Usually about 3-4 hours in you will be peaking For 350mg I would expect the peak to last about 3-4 hours and then you will start to come down. I've been peaking for over 12 hours before when I consumed almost a gram.
Vomiting depends on the sensitivity of your stomach. With pure mescaline it can cause some discomfort but usually not vomiting. I get sick with everything so vomiting is guaranteed for me with mesc but in the dozens of times I have tripped with friends none of the others throw up from my product. The more extraneous alkaloids remain in the product the more nauseous people generally get.
Mescaline is by far my favorite psychedelic. Colors in general look brighter and more awesome than on anything else I have tried. For pretty much the next 24 hours I can look at white light and see the full color spectrum like a rainbow.
I hope you enjoy!
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sounds like fun
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Hoobydoobydoo, this question is (mainly) for you concerning mescaline. What would be the best set / setting for it? I was thinking from what I've read (mainly in Carlos Castaneda's books (the Don Juan character in said books) that nighttime with a campfire would be a good setting. I have heard & read from all sources (friends, Castaneda, maybe even in "Black Elk Speaks) to stay away from bodies of water as the spirit of the water will draw you in (I don't want to drown or get my willie bit off by a snapping turtle (I really love Mr. Happy to remain attached to my groin, if you know what I mean!). Should I wait for warmer nighttime weather? Or sit by a fire with a blanket wrapped about me? If I get to where I want to rip off my clothes, I definately want warmer weather. Also, should I smoke a but of weed to control any nausea? This has been recommended in regards to ayahuasca (which I have yet to get the nerve up to try).
Also, does this have any type of amphetemine "feel" to it? 2C-B, which is Amphetimine in its basic structure, gives me the dry heaves for about 1,5 - 2 hrs.
I appreciate any info on this from anyone, not only hoobydoobydoo. Thanks, all!
bull3gern
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Hoobydoobydoo, this question is (mainly) for you concerning mescaline. What would be the best set / setting for it? I was thinking from what I've read (mainly in Carlos Castaneda's books (the Don Juan character in said books) that nighttime with a campfire would be a good setting. I have heard & read from all sources (friends, Castaneda, maybe even in "Black Elk Speaks) to stay away from bodies of water as the spirit of the water will draw you in (I don't want to drown or get my willie bit off by a snapping turtle (I really love Mr. Happy to remain attached to my groin, if you know what I mean!). Should I wait for warmer nighttime weather? Or sit by a fire with a blanket wrapped about me? If I get to where I want to rip off my clothes, I definately want warmer weather. Also, should I smoke a but of weed to control any nausea? This has been recommended in regards to ayahuasca (which I have yet to get the nerve up to try).
Also, does this have any type of amphetemine "feel" to it? 2C-B, which is Amphetimine in its basic structure, gives me the dry heaves for about 1,5 - 2 hrs.
I appreciate any info on this from anyone, not only hoobydoobydoo. Thanks, all!
bull3gern
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IMO mescaline can be enjoyed in almost any set/setting where you are around people you like.
At night, any sort of lights look amazing. Fires are pretty cool. If you can get a night with a good starry view, those are the best. Just lie back for a while and soak it in. I swear I feel like I am floating in part of the universe when I do this. Like I can see each individual star move. The whole sky comes alive.
Watching any sort of fantasy movie while tripping can be really fun.
In the daytime can also be really fun as well. Especially with a nice bright sun. The colors are so awesome. Normally when I do mescaline these days I do a lot and typically start early - say 3 or 4pm. This gives me the opportunity to enjoy the day and remain peaking well into the night. Last spring when the grasses were tall around here we climbed up to the top of a high hill and just sat watching the wind blow around the grasses for a good while. I cannot begin to try to explain how cool this was. All of us just sat there mesmerized laughing hysterically totally speechless besides the occasional "that is so fucking crazy!"
I have no idea what people are talking about regarding staying away from water. I've walked by water and stared at my reflection without any urge to jump in. I have gone swimming but it was intentional and the decision was made beforehand.
Regarding the urge to tear clothes off - that has never happened to me. Is this a common theme for you when tripping? I always get cold when i take almost any hallucinogenic and prefer warmer temps.
If you have dry heaves from 2c-b that suggests you likely have a sensitive stomach like me and will probably get sick. I think I have been convinced by some people on here I think to try plugging my next experience. So sick of wasting mescaline cuz i can't keep it down.
One recommendation I have if you do have a sensitive stomach - split up your dose into two capsules. Take the first one and then the next one 1-2 hours later. You will still peak just as hard, the trip will last longer, and the nausea should be much less.
Smoking weed is a requirement for me. Could never do without it. It enhances all of my trips. I smoke like a fiend throughout the entire experience until I fall asleep.
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I'll make sure I get some good weed before I take Mescaline, just in case I start barfing. I'm guessing the 2C-B I recently aquired is just a bit too much. I think it is 28mg per dose. The first time I ordered some it was 18mg, and according to Shulgin's book Pihkal 16 mg was considered to be what he referred to as "museum level", i.e., enough to feel and enjoy its effects without anyone around you noticing anything unusual about you - he called it that because he would go to a museum or two whilst on it to check out the art & stuff (makes me wish I lived in New York, San Fran or Berlin where they have a few museums & art galleries (southern towns with under 5000 people don't have a lot to offer in this regard, although they aren't without some cultural attractions).
Regarding the dis-robing ( ;D), I've only had that with good LSD, and more recently with something sold as 2C-x, which was XTC, 2C-B and 2C-P, and moderate doses of each. I could pick out, if you will, the 2C-B effects from experience, the 2C-P from how it was described in Pihkal, adn had to guess that the XTC (MDMA). The 2C-x combo was from NeuroticNarcotic, a fine vendor to deal with if you ever get the urge to try it. Hell, I sometimes like losing the clothes with really good "head-high" weed, so maybe it's just me (I've been wondering why I don't get invited to formal dinner parties anymore...) ;D
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hoping to try synthetic this weekend.
300mg in one gel cap with another 100mg handy for a top-up if necessary.
starting at 3 or 4 pm to see both daylight and nigtime.
i am not really big on weed smoking so I was thinking of kicking it off with some mint tea and ginger half an hour before the first gel cap
sounds reasonable?
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hoping to try synthetic this weekend.
300mg in one gel cap with another 100mg handy for a top-up if necessary.
starting at 3 or 4 pm to see both daylight and nigtime.
i am not really big on weed smoking so I was thinking of kicking it off with some mint tea and ginger half an hour before the first gel cap
sounds reasonable?
Amount should be fine (assuming again that synthetic is similar in effects to extract). If you are worried about sensitive stomach I would recommend same thing I told bull3gern - split that first dose up by 1-2 hours.
Tea with ginger could help if that normally works for you.
I don't use the weed to calm my stomach. I use it to enhance the trip.