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Title: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on October 25, 2012, 07:23 am
I have alot of experience in aircraft and specifically remote controlled drones, and I come here inquiring if what I'm about to offer is in demand.



I am more than qualified for the production of almost anything you can think of. Depending what you need
to do, there is a solution for your transportation needs. Generally these drones will not have any more than
a 5m wingspan(a road is perfect for take off/landings), but if your final destination is in excess of 1000km then wingspan/size
will of course increase. Speed is down to cost - default, they fly about 200-300kmh depending on wind conditions, altitude etc.
Speed can be increased, but the better engines cost more and if you want a *very* fast model then the distance
is decreased. Electric and gas powered available, although i recommend the electric as it is alot quieter, and easier
to avoid radar/getting shot down due to lack of heat signature.

The control/communication device between you and the drone is decided on a individual basis. If you only need to get
across a river and a bit of farmland, then obviously your controller does not need the same grade controller technology
as a drone that is flying several thousand km over the period of a day or maybe even longer. But rest assured we only
use the best you can get. Nothing is worse than losing control of a valuable piece of equipment holding possibly even more
valuable items. Video feed's, GPS, you name it we can do it.

Comes complete with user manual and everything you need to get your product from A to B, quickly, safely, and without any hiccups, however some basic knowledge of flying remote controlled planes is essential, you still need to launch and land these things. Assuming the weather is right, its no harder than parking a car, though.





Price structure as follows:
(note that range differs. These are minimum. Sometimes up to 50% more range is possible but not recommended)

10km range - 200/300kmh speed - 5kilo storage - Video feed/GPS navigated autopilot/multi-channel 2.4GHz S-FHSS System:  20'000USD
100km range - 200/300kmh speed - 10kilo storage - Video feed/GPS navigated autopilot/multi-channel 2.4GHz S-FHSS System:  55'000USD
1000km - 400-500kmh speed - 10kilo(?) storage - Video feed/GPS navigated autopilot/multi-channel 2.4GHz S-FHSS System: 140'000USD

Anything more than 1000km's price to be discussed.

note: I have only built the 10/100km models, the 1000km model is only on paper at this point but am eager to build one.

30 days estimated build time, 14 days shipping. Can ship in multiple pieces to avoid knowledge of drone entering through borders.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: Drksdfmn138 on October 25, 2012, 07:57 am
Once I saw the line about it being shot down, I instantly thought "flying pinata of drugs".

Here's the scene:
 Some little guy is gonna be flying his remote control airplane. Enter stage left a fast, low flying drone filled to the brim with wild drugs. Planes crash overhead. Flaming bags of cocaine and hash raining from the sky.   
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on October 25, 2012, 08:29 am
Ideally you would do it in a way that you dont risk it being shot down. My drones have been successful. So far the only
complication brought to my attention was user error which was during landing.As said, electric units are alot better in
this regard anyway. Lack of heat means conventional AA with actual bullets is required and those arent exactly commonplace
along borders anyway.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not proclaiming to be offering a risk-free drug smuggling option. However, compared to running the risk
against customs, through mail or internal concealment or hidden in a suitcase, it is the safest. The only risk is landing, which i would
highly recommend practicing before you start packing it full of your product. The electric unit does not contain explosive gas, so in
the event of a crash, the product will still be undamaged/viable for pickup.

If used in the right place holding the right product, these drones pay for themselves.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on October 26, 2012, 07:40 am
Forgot to add. These units are available with a drop-off feature. They will drop their payload when requested. Up to you to add a parachute/device to slow descent. This means that this drone does not even have to LAND in the country you are sending the product to, and can do a round trip non-stop.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: johnmtl on October 26, 2012, 07:48 am
I am aware of rc gas powered planes....

I can get one for 1000-2000$ how come yours is 20K?

how come you cant just retrofit one of those??

if your serious I may be interested... do you have pics or video of the one you made??
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: domesticdoode on October 26, 2012, 07:58 am
I am aware of rc gas powered planes....

I can get one for 1000-2000$ how come yours is 20K?

how come you cant just retrofit one of those??

if your serious I may be interested... do you have pics or video of the one you made??

PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ FLY ME POUNDS OF DANK HERB!

lolololol that would be so funny........ ok its in escrow, 1 day later, ok go to the random field off cactus land road, fat sack of dank comes down on a parachute, go home log on and finalize :P
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: johnmtl on October 26, 2012, 08:01 am
Its a sick idea... especially for Mexicans and Canadians!!!

If it worked i could see it paying for itself in one flight!

Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on October 26, 2012, 02:59 pm
I am aware of rc gas powered planes....

I can get one for 1000-2000$ how come yours is 20K?

how come you cant just retrofit one of those??

if your serious I may be interested... do you have pics or video of the one you made??

Honestly, I could make some kind of 5-10k model, that would *almost* be as good as the ones advertised, but it would lack alot of features that i deem relatively essential, and I would rather have a few customers that are all very happy, than many customers who are running low spec gear which would only mean more issues and problems, angry customers raging me about product they lost, and so on. Its not what I'm here for. If you cant afford the price I'm asking, you probably aren't the customer I want.

The reason the cost is much greater is for a few reasons..

1: These are built well. An RC plane made in china, is not. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that, I would not ever put a package of valuable items in a cheap RC plane. If you are going to do something, do it right. Get quality equipment, and the job is always going to be easier. I mean sure,  you could buy 10 of these planes you talk of, and hope that atleast 1 or 2 get to the final destination, if thats your style - I'm more orientated around making a plan, using the right gear, and getting it done right the first time - not scouring fields for your broken RC planes which at that point may have already been discovered, or worse yet, the LE are waiting for you to pick up.

2: Communications. The equipment inside of these costs alot. Infact several thousand dollars just for the remote control for take off and landing let alone GPS navigation and other electronics which i dont specifically want to name on here. Its not just that, but also how much time it takes/has taken to develop these systems - software and hardware. This stuff isnt really available to the public(for obvious reasons), you have to do alot of research and know the right people. I cant build these things alone, im being honest. I have a friend who does a good portion of the electronics. These drones can continue flying even in the event communication between you and it are disrupted - they have fail safe mechanisms, aswell as multi-channel operation.


but most importantly, 3: I know what these are being used for. I know that these are worth many times what I sell them for. A clean, almost fail-proof way to export 10kg at a time of any product you want over 100km or more? haha. Please, the price is very modest when you consider what you are getting.


You can retrofit the fuck out of a crappy chinese plane - its still gonna be a crappy chinese plane. :)

PS: You cannot buy a plane for less than 2k, that can hold up to 10kg AND fly 10km, let alone 100km or more. I know this. The communication/controller equipment for anything that goes beyond your sight alone is more than that. Let alone a plane that is that big, and can hold that much product.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: johnmtl on October 26, 2012, 06:26 pm
Do you have any photos or video of the 10k/100km prototype?
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on October 26, 2012, 08:24 pm
For my own security I cant show you pictures. I dont know if im being overly paranoid but there are pictures of me standing next to these aswell as video of me flying them on the internet. I tried my best to remove them when I got my first client but I know what the internet's like and I'm not risking it.

It doesnt look very special though, just a large RC, plain looking plane. Similar in shape to a globemaster except a bit narrower and wider wingspan when scaled, these things have 4 engines.

Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: johnmtl on October 26, 2012, 08:31 pm
So were just supposed to order one with you and send you 20k??

you dont think were that naive do you?
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: skrillyskrill on October 26, 2012, 09:05 pm
I am aware of rc gas powered planes....

I can get one for 1000-2000$ how come yours is 20K?

how come you cant just retrofit one of those??

if your serious I may be interested... do you have pics or video of the one you made??

PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ FLY ME POUNDS OF DANK HERB!

lolololol that would be so funny........ ok its in escrow, 1 day later, ok go to the random field off cactus land road, fat sack of dank comes down on a parachute, go home log on and finalize :P




wow this is amazing.....sign me up lol
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on October 26, 2012, 09:11 pm
If i provided a picture, you wouldnt feel any more confident. If you are that suspicious, its irrelevant - I post a picture and you claim i stole it off google. Cant win.

I have no interest in ripping people off, building planes has been a hobby of mine for over 2 decades and its not so much for the money than it is that I simply enjoy building awesome shit, especially when I know its gonna be getting thousands of people high! Stick it to the fuckin man kind of thing.

I dont actually make that money off these things anyway, when you take into account materials and most importantly TIME to build these, my yearly salary if i was JUST doing this fulltime would only be 100k or so.

I'm going to work on building a better, more trusted profile before I would even put these up on SR. I dont expect you currently to send me 20k as my reputation at this point is non-existent. This thread is to get a feel for demand, mate.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: johnmtl on October 26, 2012, 10:06 pm
Fair enough... I tell you this,... there is a market.. Especially if its quiet and low heat emitting... I need one that go go less then 4 Kms...  preferably with a drop.. I have a friend who has been flying RC planes and helicopters his whole life.. We have even discussed the  possiblity of making my own like your talking about but my buddy is not the shady type and has no interest halping me put this into action..

If your serious and build up some trust we can work something out.... I assume this is a legal product... I would never meat you F2F but I'm sure others would to verify the product before purchasing.... is this correct??

you would not have a problem with that... would you?
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on October 26, 2012, 11:51 pm
Interesting. Maybe i should consider selling an extra speedy, short distance model, like what you need. What load capacity would you want? A couple of kgs? more? The great thing about distances like this is that the electronics and communications gear can quite literally almost be taken out of the equation and its more or less just a large remote control plane with simple consumer network vid feed added, running of regular RC controller equipment for navigation, and a load drop feature which is relatively easy.

The thing with face to face.. is that the only way i can foresee myself gaining trust on this site is by ordering drugs. Buying e-books and other crap like that isnt exactly going to show me to be any more trustworthy than the next guy, right? I have to prove im not LE by doing shit the LE wouldnt do?

I dont know about face to face.. it concerns me for more than just a few reasons. Ie, who are the kind of people willing to travel to me, to buy international drug trafficking equipment? dodgy people, generally. This means ive gotta start hiring gun heads and others to watch my back while I do these deals, as no ones going to show up to a deal like this with 20/50/100+k, and not have a backup plan. Would much rather stay (relatively)safe on the internet.

Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: BlindFaith on October 26, 2012, 11:58 pm
So would it be possible to build a plane that can carry up to a kilo from germany to america? Or from the netherlands to america?
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on October 27, 2012, 12:06 am
8'000km trip? Er.. im good, but im not that good(yet). Even if I were to take on that project, it would most likely be far beyond any price you want to pay.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: johnmtl on October 27, 2012, 12:07 am
Interesting. Maybe i should consider selling an extra speedy, short distance model, like what you need. What load capacity would you want? A couple of kgs? more? The great thing about distances like this is that the electronics and communications gear can quite literally almost be taken out of the equation and its more or less just a large remote control plane with simple consumer network vid feed added, running of regular RC controller equipment for navigation, and a load drop feature which is relatively easy.

The thing with face to face.. is that the only way i can foresee myself gaining trust on this site is by ordering drugs. Buying e-books and other crap like that isnt exactly going to show me to be any more trustworthy than the next guy, right? I have to prove im not LE by doing shit the LE wouldnt do?

I dont know about face to face.. it concerns me for more than just a few reasons. Ie, who are the kind of people willing to travel to me, to buy international drug trafficking equipment? dodgy people, generally. This means ive gotta start hiring gun heads and others to watch my back while I do these deals, as no ones going to show up to a deal like this with 20/50/100+k, and not have a backup plan. Would much rather stay (relatively)safe on the internet.

Pm me on sr and lets see what we can do.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: 3r3 on October 27, 2012, 07:20 pm
You've got great talent, and you've come to the right place to sell your goods.
I'm 100% sure you'll find buyers here on the forum.
What are the payment terms? Will you accept escrow?
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: TheGoodSon on October 27, 2012, 07:54 pm
I don't think you're being overly paranoid, but assuming the worst about people is going to get you no where in this world. What you need to do is take your UAV somewhere (like a corn field), snap off some shots with like a SR sign next to it and we'll go from there. May I ask what radios you use? I can't picture 1000km+ flight using LOS radios, so I'm thinking you're using 3G cell towers, but that would fail once you got over the ocean if you were flying out and around, or in the hills.

I'm interested more for a "hey look what I have" stand point :).

Cheers
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on October 28, 2012, 07:20 am
I don't think you're being overly paranoid, but assuming the worst about people is going to get you no where in this world. What you need to do is take your UAV somewhere (like a corn field), snap off some shots with like a SR sign next to it and we'll go from there. May I ask what radios you use? I can't picture 1000km+ flight using LOS radios, so I'm thinking you're using 3G cell towers, but that would fail once you got over the ocean if you were flying out and around, or in the hills.

I'm interested more for a "hey look what I have" stand point :).

Cheers

Iridium satellite phone that has been modded. Its slow internet, but its enough to keep in contact, know GPS co-ordinates, change direction and everything like that. Can also upload images(not video) regularly... kind of like a traffic camera. As said earlier, should the worst happen and communication goes down, these things dont just plummet to their death, they will continue on there last known flight path until the connection is re-established.

I know what you are saying about pictures, how ever the ones I have are not suitable to post and I'm not going to start building these again until I have an order.

however! In saying that, I am thinking I might start up a legitimate 'Long distance UAV' business, registered and everything in my country, with my legit bank account attached and so on thus making it more secure to do business. What do you guys think? Im still working out how I'm going to do this and any help is appreciated. Im an expert when it comes to building this stuff, but not when it comes to the business side of things.

Basically my concern is: Escrow favors people with reputation. I have no reputation. You order 20k UAV, i send it, you say you dont get it - I lose 20k(or, well, the amount it cost to build these)


EDIT: Fuck it, I'm just gonna start building my 10Km model as a few people have already approached me that are quite serious. I'll use that as my reference. Should be ready by end of November. This thread and the amount of PM's ive received from reputable vendors of SR has given me the confidence that what I make WILL sell, which is all I really needed. Cheers guys.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: TheGoodSon on October 28, 2012, 03:53 pm
So if your UAVs cannot transmit video in real time, how do you land the aircraft when you're no where near it?
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on October 28, 2012, 05:31 pm
Well, even with video feed it's difficult, but generally the idea is that you are not trying to land in the middle of the ocean ;)

Usually people ask for 2 sets of RC's so that it can be launched by one person at location X, it flys Y distance automatically, and person Z lands it. If you are however just doing round trips with a drop off, then you can both launch and land just by yourself.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: johnmtl on October 28, 2012, 10:02 pm
I cant wait... I look forward to hearing from you in a month or so.. Good luck on the build!
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: FarmerBob on October 29, 2012, 12:45 am
Here are a few pretty important questions that no one else asked.  If the electric and gas versions have different answers I'd like to see both.

For the 10/100km models what are the wingspans and what is wing constructed of?

Motor horsepower?  Fuel load or Battery Mass?

What's the total weight of the vehicles?

What is the L/D ratio vs speed and what is the optimum cruise speed?  Optimum cruise altitude?

What are the prop sizes, pitch, and Prop Efficiencies vs speed, and what is the total drag coefficients, and frontal and surface areas for those birds, any estimates of the zero lift drag?

Do you intend to have a radar or laser altimeter or do they rely on GPS alone?

Any other guidance&nav features other than GPS?

Thanks,
Bob

Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on October 29, 2012, 12:32 pm
Yes those are very important questions, questions that the LE Would love to know the answer too, haha.

Ill answer what I can.

1: These weigh 20-40kg. They are made of a combination of high grade plywood and aluminum framing . This is because metal is alot more expensive and harder to work with, and wood is a bit more 'stealthy'. I know to the average person this sounds fucked up but I've experimented with making them almost completely out of aluminum and in my opinion, the weight advantage is not worth it.

2: Wingspan differs. Some people want to transport light but large items(weed) and thus I have to change accordingly. Generally never more than 5m.

3: HP/battery mass again differs, generally about HALF the weight of the uav is battery/gas. Sometimes more.

4: And to all the questions about drag and prop efficiency etc: These things are made to go fast and hard. They are way overpowered for what they actually are. I realize that these things need to get from A to B and quickly. Im not going to tell you what altitude is best but its high enough that you cant hear it from the ground and barely see it even in broad day light - i offer night/day model paint jobs, with blue sky paint on the bottom/dark green on top etc or completely painted black for night.

5: no radar. guidance is GPS through multiple sources/devices. The autopilot feature using gyroscope to keep the plane in balance even during winds.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: FarmerBob on October 31, 2012, 05:27 am
Don't take this the wrong way but it's clear that you're not an engineer.

If you were a structural engineer I wouldn't be able to get you to shut up about the structure, if you were aero the aero question would have thrilled you, if you were electrical you would have known better than to think wood was stealth.

So if I were interested in such a system i would go to a reputable builder with actual engineering teams who have already shipped (BVM & their kingcat would be a good choice)  Aircraft are not simple things and most people would demand an established builder they can trust.  (I shouldn't just plug BVM because there's plenty of good RC aircraft manufacturers you can google-up but I don't have time to list them all)


Anyways, I assume that most all the people familiar with the Mexican border know full well why this won't work (TARS).  If this thing came across I sure as heck wouldn't want to be anywhere near it's landing zone.

You might get lucky a few times and the small size does help a bit on radar cross section.. If one is very good and maps out the radar nulls you can still probably get something very low flying across, maybe the cartels are smart enough that they're doing this with ultralights, but if this thing lacks terrain mapping abilities it simply won't fit the bill for any sort of reliable transport on the southern border.

The Canadian border lacks look-down radars, so on the Canadian border it'd work fine as long as you kept it at treetop level.  But again, without a radar altimeter or terrain mapping it won't won't be anywhere near as safe as an ultralight hugging the valleys.  And the ultralight has a much bigger payload.  I hear rumors that they have global hawks or predators with synthetic aperture radars operating in the north now.  If one of those comes by whether it's an ultralight, a homemade UAV or a dirtbike it's game over.

You cannot beat the US govt. on high-tech.

In other countries it might be more useful, but be warned about sending any such homemade UAV outside of the US.  Even if it is never used for criminal purposes the Feds can arrest you for exporting it without state dept. authorization (ITAR).  Don't know what sort of sentence it can bring but you'd best educate yourself on it so you understand the risks.

Good luck
Bob
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: DrDeepWood on October 31, 2012, 06:16 am
This smells fishy, I know a huge amount about this kind of thing and unless the poster starts talking some serious technical information I think this is shit.  What fuel capacities for what distance flights, weights, wingspans, and especially propulsion systems.  A lot less interested in electronics, anyone can slap together GPS and radio or telephone data communication system.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: drugfather on October 31, 2012, 07:06 am
Once I saw the line about it being shot down, I instantly thought "flying pinata of drugs".

Here's the scene:
 Some little guy is gonna be flying his remote control airplane. Enter stage left a fast, low flying drone filled to the brim with wild drugs. Planes crash overhead. Flaming bags of cocaine and hash raining from the sky.   

oh dear jesus!
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: hades143 on October 31, 2012, 11:06 pm
I envision a whole network of RC planes crisscrossing the globe and making drops. Could they even be computer controlled? GPS is relatively accurate nowadays, and just have someone standing by in case something goes wrong, and for delicate situations like the actual drop (don't want your payload dropping on a school or something lol)? What would it cost to get something like that up and running?
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: DrDeepWood on November 01, 2012, 12:13 am
I feel like the OP is full of shit so I will go ahead and say that if you want info about something like this I will consult for a price, Im not just a chemist but a technical consultant in general.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: Barbijuana on November 01, 2012, 12:49 am
I feel like the OP is full of shit so I will go ahead and say that if you want info about something like this I will consult for a price, Im not just JESUS but a LIVING GOD in general.

Fixed this for you ;)
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: armyofdarkness on November 01, 2012, 01:33 am
are communications between the operator and the plane encrypted?
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: WishiwasForum on November 01, 2012, 03:03 am
Once I saw the line about it being shot down, I instantly thought "flying pinata of drugs".

Here's the scene:
 Some little guy is gonna be flying his remote control airplane. Enter stage left a fast, low flying drone filled to the brim with wild drugs. Planes crash overhead. Flaming bags of cocaine and hash raining from the sky.   

oh dear jesus!
oh the humanity!
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on November 06, 2012, 04:50 pm
Hmm.

People are quick to call bullshit. Fair enough.

Heres the reality: I myself am not an expert. However, I lead a team of individuals who all specialize in certain aspects of this, this is where I am an expert. Whether it be ex-military comm installers/operators, aeronautic engineers, regular but highly experienced engineers, electricians, carbon fiber fabricators - these people, they work for me. We have banded together in the past to do this, and now that I have found this site I realize there is a massive market, one big enough that we can all quit our regular jobs and earn alot more money. Thus, I am currently setting up a workshop. When I say 'I'm experienced in X this blah blah' that is me saying 'my team'. Sorry for any confusion, I am not a genius in everything, I know this much. I am simply good at leading a team, marketing, and the such.

By the end of the year, these things will be available for sale. No pre-order, or waiting required. Im hitting this project at full steam. So, while I realize that right now I am only words, and that is all you have to go by, you will see that you were wrong in calling me out as a liar, and will probably feel a bit silly.

Anything you guys can think of fault wise or what have you, my team has already tackled. These guys are the best, quite literally. They are geniuses, and the product will do what I say it will.


Side note: Realize that I dont release alot of information completely to keep the LE in the unknown, not because I personally don't know. I have no time for 'tire kickers' who are simply 'curious' about my highly illegal activity. I am not doing anymore quotes, so please, do not PM me asking for one. If you are interested, let it be known in this thread, or PM telling me your situation - and I'll keep that in mind when we are at the drawing board.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: DrDeepWood on November 07, 2012, 06:16 am
You seem ambitious and seem to have good intentions but this is a serious project.  As someone who has done work in this field I think you are biting off more than you can chew.  this is quite literally, rocket science.

You need to atleast have basic information before you start throwing around prices.
For each flight distance what is:

the size of the UAV
the weight of the UAV
the weight of the fuel/watts of battery+weight
the type of motor
weight of motor
thrust of motor/consumption
the type of frame/material
wingload
flying altitude
 

without even basic facts like this figured out
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: Theophilus on November 07, 2012, 08:31 am
Once I saw the line about it being shot down, I instantly thought "flying pinata of drugs".

Here's the scene:
 Some little guy is gonna be flying his remote control airplane. Enter stage left a fast, low flying drone filled to the brim with wild drugs. Planes crash overhead. Flaming bags of cocaine and hash raining from the sky.   

oh dear jesus!
oh the humanity!

HALLELUJAH!!
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: Koltbiz on November 08, 2012, 01:08 am
Very interested. Not only to the OP, if anyone can make a 100-400 miles range aircraft that can carry at least 5kg I would be interested. I just need to fly it from A to B.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: molliwopped on November 08, 2012, 03:31 am
I feel bad for anyone that gives you 20k for something that can be done for anywhere in the hundreds to 5k at the very most.
These are called FPV planes, there are tons of them, pre built or you can buy ones people custom built off fpv forums.

Even if his are the absolute top of the line, you'd still be paying $15k more for what is basically a hole with a cover that gets released when you hit a switch, which could be done for $50

https://vimeo.com/52881129
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on November 08, 2012, 10:55 am
Yup DrDeepWood, I am aware of those things and I have talked to my main aero guy before 'throwing' around prices.

Molli, there is a big difference in what I am offering and what you are suggesting. Communication equipment alone: I have ex-military and ex-LE to work with, both who specialized in comms.

Im not saying you cant do this yourself, but the product I offer will be alot more secure than any pre-made RC crap you can buy, and I think when it comes to sending 10kg or w/e of cocaine or heroin or whatever, an extra 10k is nothing when it means its good, reliable equipment.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: Theophilus on November 08, 2012, 11:19 am
Yup DrDeepWood, I am aware of those things and I have talked to my main aero guy before 'throwing' around prices.

Molli, there is a big difference in what I am offering and what you are suggesting. Communication equipment alone: I have ex-military and ex-LE to work with, both who specialized in comms.

Im not saying you cant do this yourself, but the product I offer will be alot more secure than any pre-made RC crap you can buy, and I think when it comes to sending 10kg or w/e of cocaine or heroin or whatever, an extra 10k is nothing when it means its good, reliable equipment.

All I'm reading here is a lot of hyperbole and not much substance.

Your "main aero guy"? Sounds technical and shit! Whoah!

I think you're making a mistake here by attempting to base your pricing on your perception of the abundance of disposable cash that your target market here has just burning holes in their pockets.

And I would suggest that you're reluctance to post any actual photos/footage of what you're offering isn't for the bullshit reasons you;ve listed, but because it will become readily apparent that it can be done yourself quite readily via parts and some schematics from ebay, for a tenth of your ludicrous proposal.

It takes a little more than a few buzz-words to pull this shit off and scam drug dealers.

But my favourite part?

Forgot to add. These units are available with a drop-off feature. They will drop their payload when requested. Up to you to add a parachute/device to slow descent. This means that this drone does not even have to LAND in the country you are sending the product to, and can do a round trip non-stop.

HOLY SHIT, A REMOTE CONTROLLED LATCH? REALLY?

LIKE, THAT REQUIRES 1 WHOLE SINGLE SERVO!

THAT TOTALLY MAKES IT WORTH $20,000!

Seriously, this is completely, absolutely laughable.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on November 08, 2012, 02:41 pm
Sorry but just because you can't afford it, doesnt mean others can't. The only people who would need a product like this, have cash to spend. And, unlike cheap bastards who would rather 'get the parts off ebay' and then lose the plane(and money) and all there drugs(money), they would much rather get the product from A to B with no problems.

Your comment about needing 1 servo.. hahahahaha. That made me laugh. It was more about the fact that the 'goods' can be dropped without having to land, than it was about the actual device required to do so. You don't even understand how hard it actually is to do this RIGHT. Its one thing to make a crappy plane out of stuff you find on ebay, and a whole other thing to make a plane that can go beyond line of sight and not crash, not get shot down, not get jammed, and generally not fail. You go make your plane dude, I'm sure it'll be great! HAHA.

PS: Yes, my main 'aero' guy, thats short for aeronautical engineer, buddy, in case you didnt know. I have 2 of them, one just hasn't finished uni yet.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: Theophilus on November 08, 2012, 07:46 pm
Sorry but just because you can't afford it, doesnt mean others can't. The only people who would need a product like this, have cash to spend. And, unlike cheap bastards who would rather 'get the parts off ebay' and then lose the plane(and money) and all there drugs(money), they would much rather get the product from A to B with no problems.

Your comment about needing 1 servo.. hahahahaha. That made me laugh. It was more about the fact that the 'goods' can be dropped without having to land, than it was about the actual device required to do so. You don't even understand how hard it actually is to do this RIGHT. Its one thing to make a crappy plane out of stuff you find on ebay, and a whole other thing to make a plane that can go beyond line of sight and not crash, not get shot down, not get jammed, and generally not fail. You go make your plane dude, I'm sure it'll be great! HAHA.

PS: Yes, my main 'aero' guy, thats short for aeronautical engineer, buddy, in case you didnt know. I have 2 of them, one just hasn't finished uni yet.

Your comment conveys all the maturity of a youtube comment.

If you are in fact serious about trying to pull this scam off, then you might want to try and reign in the attitude.

You need a much thicker skin, son.

If this is how you handle your detractors (and as you're beginning to experience, you're going to be facing detractors at every step of the way), then you are doomed before you even begin.

It's Business 101.

Not even, it's common sense, you idiot.

Every detractor is an opportunity to create a powerful promoter.

Got it?

Now, quit the blustering like a teenager on youtube and deal with your detractors professionally.

Or, you know, puff you r chest up at some anonymous dude on an illicit drugs forum, whatevs!
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on November 09, 2012, 10:01 am
Don't know what you want. I'm offering a product, this was simply to get a grasp of the market, I've been contacted by many reputable vendors which is enough for me to take this on as my main project and business, that's all this thread was created for - to gain a grasp of the market.

So, in saying that, my product will speak for itself, I will provide videos and full spec information with the product. You are the one 'coming at me' so its really irrelevant, you are clearly not interested in the product so no further discussion required from here.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: justsayinbro on November 09, 2012, 11:08 am
Ummm... what is so illegal about selling these things? Why do you care if LE know who you are if you're just building kit planes? Sell them on clearnet but don't specify they're for drugs.

Also LOL at your team you've assembled! that shits fucking hilarious! like the power rangers or that expendables movie! Your full of shit and you suck at scamming
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: TheGoodSon on November 09, 2012, 04:53 pm
I'm going to echo the "you're being too paranoid" sentiments. Your team does sound too good to be true.

A quick google search for "buy uav" turns up several competing models.

If you want to sell here, play ball. The majority of us are not cops.. quit acting like you're dealing guns.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: DrDeepWood on November 10, 2012, 12:01 am
What you are offering is just not feasible, I gave you the opportunity to provide stats on uav characteristics but you just said "yea i have them".

1000km is just total BS.  You may have communications equipment that will allow for this but you haven't even thought about the logistics of this.  How much fuel/batteries do you think would be required? Do you have any ballpark idea? Because I do and its just not practical.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: Theophilus on November 10, 2012, 12:08 am
What you are offering is just not feasible, I gave you the opportunity to provide stats on uav characteristics but you just said "yea i have them".

1000km is just total BS.  You may have communications equipment that will allow for this but you haven't even thought about the logistics of this.  How much fuel/batteries do you think would be required? Do you have any ballpark idea? Because I do and its just not practical.

I think we can just put this down to some engineering student (Shit, maybe not even. Community College student?) who took a bit of acid and thought he had an epiphany that was gonna make him millions.

Anyhoo, back to looking at quad-copters.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: FarmerBob on November 10, 2012, 04:35 am
I was going to put in a something of a hand-holding reply here, but then I thought: No, the bright & average folks out there have already used the mighty google to research this and understand the basics, so they likely know most of what I was about to post... it would have only helped the stupidest among you.. so I deleted it.

every herd of animals needs the slow and the weak - to feed the predators.  And I feel it's a good thing that fools be parted from their money.


However, if you are an established vendor and you are seriously planning to take on a western European, American / Canadian, or east Asian border by air, feel free to PM me your plan if you want a free review and what advice I can offer.

If you are a smuggler ALREADY taking on those borders by air I'd assume you know more than the rest of us (and google) combined and are probably laughing at this thread :-)

Best Regards,
Bob



Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: Mangazi on November 10, 2012, 07:10 am
Sounds like some bullshit to me, what OP is providing for sale isn't even illegal, so why would you worry about LE, or even just an anonymous picture? And like someone else said earlier, you act like a bitch when replying to criticism, can you try to be professional?

And you're right, I can't afford your product, but even if I could I wouldn't do business with you. As far as I know you're the LE trying to gather info on large scale movers of product, or just a simple scam.

Although I could be wrong, perhaps your legit, but in that case take it easy and post a damn picture, a picture isn't going to compromise you at all.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on November 10, 2012, 02:34 pm
1: Actually yes, it is illegal. I looked extensively into this and selling any 'long distance, remotely controlled flying craft' is illegal and you need permits akin to selling tanks and the like. The USA aswell as EU do not want UAV's in the air that they do not control.

2: I dont care what you 'think'. Honestly.

3: My product will speak for itself, posting pictures and specs now makes absolutely no difference.

4: Google may show many results for 'Buy UAV' but NONE of those results will show a UAV that can fly many Km's. They are all quite small and usually a helicopter of some sort.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: WishiwasForum on November 10, 2012, 03:13 pm
'think'
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: TheGoodSon on November 10, 2012, 10:35 pm
1: Actually yes, it is illegal. I looked extensively into this and selling any 'long distance, remotely controlled flying craft' is illegal and you need permits akin to selling tanks and the like. The USA aswell as EU do not want UAV's in the air that they do not control.

2: I dont care what you 'think'. Honestly.

3: My product will speak for itself, posting pictures and specs now makes absolutely no difference.

4: Google may show many results for 'Buy UAV' but NONE of those results will show a UAV that can fly many Km's. They are all quite small and usually a helicopter of some sort.

Hey man, I support you and all, but you're telling this to a land of empty promises. Lots of people offer awesome ideas, projects, or products that never come to pass. If I were in your shoes, I'd put together some package proving your claims. The negative press you're generating here isn't going to help you attract new clients.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: THUMBSuP. on November 10, 2012, 11:23 pm
can you build me a drone that can fly myself to wherever the Road is working right now...?
100 bux.




/thumbs
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: xx138xx on November 11, 2012, 02:19 am
After reading this entire post I'm of a mixed opinion. Having flown rc models for years, built replica flying models from blueprints, and actually flown real military drones, I feel a lot of what has people questioning this is the lack of certain information that the OP is smart for not giving out freely. But the mixed feelings I have come from not knowing if security is why he left some details out.

You can build a so called "drone" and fly it within the laws of the USA as long as it doesn't interfer with existing air traffic or present a danger to people on the ground. It only becomes illegal if you make it autonomous (able to maintain it's flight control itself). And you have to comply with FCC regulations regarding the radio frequencies you use for control and transmitter power limits. If you're using this for the purpose most of us would you might think none of that matters, but radio transmissions are easy to triangulate if you stand out from being overpowered. The FCC has a unit dedicated to nothing other than tracking down radio sources that are non compliant.

When it comes to the actual "drone" the options are limitless depending on what you require from it. You can take an off the shelf rc plane with a 36 inch wing span and carry a kilo or two with the right prop set up or a slight engine upgrade. This would easily get you across rivers.

If you need to carry more, it starts to get complicated. Most of the rc model engines run on a mix of methanol and nitromethane (with castor and other oils for lubrication of the engine). While this gives you a lot of power in a tiny engine, it also means fuel economy is poor as methanol requires a much richer fuel/air mixture than gasoline to burn properly. So if you need endurance flights, fuel load will become a huge concern. You also have to take into account battery power to control the receiver and control servos. Most battery packs are only good for an hour or two before they need recharging so you would need to add extra. Fuel and batteries weigh a ton compared to the rest of the aircraft. So every time you have to carry more of either it further hurts your fuel economy.  And this is before you add the cargo weight even.

To compensate for the weight you either have to increase engine power for takeoff and cruising speed while in air to generate enough lift to carry the extra weight. The other option is increasing the wing surface area or altering it's shape to increase it's lift generation through geometry. Doing either will increase drag and again affect speed and fuel efficiency. Larger wings also provide a larger cross section to radar waves. Food for thought: two smaller wings used biplane style would have a smaller cross section if done properly and could open up the option of adding disposable fuel tanks to the craft. They already make radio controls bomb drop mechanisms for historic models that could be made to work for this purpose. If you did a biplane style wing set up, you could place the weight of the fuel tanks on the lower wing helping stability, where a single wing usually resides on top of the planes fuselage requiring the fuel tanks to be mounted high where they could cause stability issues and unexpected rolling.

You would also need to experiment with propeller pitch. Some are better for getting off the ground faster but they become inefficient at cruising speed. Other pitch values can give you a higher cruising speed and better fuel economy but can't climb as aggressivly during take off and ascent. This can also be engine dependent. RC engines labeled as "long stroke" (.46 long stroke for example) can usually swing a slightly larger propeller than a normal rc engine because they produce more torque but have a lower rpm limit. This can help with fuel economy or other issues such as difficult take offs due to weight.

Then there are other propulsion systems available that would fit but may not be appropriate for stealth use. These include miniaturized ducted fans, jet engines (yeah they're the real deal surprisingly lol), pulsejets, rocket propulsion, and electric motors.

If stealth or fuel economy are your main concerns then electric or the usual methanol powered reciprocation engines are your best bet. The electric engine idea has a downside of needing batteries that could also be taking up cargo room. I have seen a buddy of mine working on a powered glider concept using an electric engine, a normal batttery pack, and solar cells on top of his wings. It did give him some extra ascents after gliding down before he needed to stop to recharge but it's obvious the solar cells just don't keep up with the battery drain even thought his glider has a ton more wing area than a normal rc plane. Without improvements in battery and solar cell efficiency this seems like a path that's not ready yet. A hybrid methanol/electric/solar system might be feasible at some point but right now it violates the law of KISS(keep it simple stupid).

If it were me I would start with very simple reliable designs that wouldn't be too big or detectable by radar. Once you get past a certain size, even when building out of wood, you'd need to consider covering the craft in a paint containing ZERO metals that you could then mix Carbon Black into to help with radar absorbtion. A lot of people are unaware that the USA has a chain of unmanned blimps tied up along the border to try to detect aircraft before they reach US airspace. These blimps have the advantage of being able to see well below the altitude a ground based radar can.

You may also wish to look into protecting the electronics with a Faraday cage type of setup to prevent LEO from trying to disable the drone using emp. Even a simple cage made of conducting wire would be better than nothing. I've been told the drone the Iranians brought down fell pray to this and landed automatically due to falling back to a safe mode when the gps guidance got fried.

I'm getting tired now and my better half is giving me the evil eye so I'll have to continue this another day. But for anyone serious about this, it is possible and can be accomplished. We would just need to start small to generate the cash needed to test and develope the longer range versions.

Also, this has me thinking of an even more lucrative potential idea to serve the same purpose. A lot of bulk drug shipments get into the USA using speed boats and semi-submersibles. The coast guard is like a rabid dog once you cross the boundry between international waters and United states control coastline. What if we could develop a minature submarine guided by gps to make the last leg of the journey from international waters to land? If you build it to withstand 30 feet of depth that would keep you out of trouble with most wave action and storms, you could run a trailing wire up to the surface to get the gps signal, and because of its small size it would be extremely hard to detect something the size of a torpedo using sonar. You wouldn't need to have a loud fast propulsion system either as it wouldn't need to be used for attacking moving targets. And a torpedo design seems like it would provide plenty of room for cargo. The USA issue MK48 torp is 19 ft (5.79 m) long by 21 inches in diameter. without the need for the warhead, fuel, and high speed propulsion, you could use something with those dimensions to carry a lot of dope. And if that's not big enough for you there's the Japanese Type 93 variant that comes in at 9 meters long. Not suggesting you use real torpedos, but giving you an idea of how much space you could have for cargo in something so hard to detect. Build one out of wood instead of steel (if done right wood will swell in water preventing leaks), put in an efficient, quiet electric drive, and have your trafficers launch them toward land from the safety of international waters while gps guides them to the pick up spot.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: TheGoodSon on November 11, 2012, 02:44 am
^^ Very nice read.

Could you use model rocket engines to assist with loaded takeoff? With a large wingspan, you could save a bunch of fuel since you burn a lot just getting off the ground.

To the poster above me, aren't there variable pitch prop systems you can buy? We had them on a twin engined Cessna I used to take flying lessons in, given the engineering marvels that happen every day, surely something has been scaled down?

One final thought - a hybrid aircraft. You can use solar/battery engines to maintain altitude and speed and use your nitro engines for takeoff. A properly designed UAV should be able to glide down safely with minimal power.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: 3r3 on November 11, 2012, 04:37 am
Also, this has me thinking of an even more lucrative potential idea to serve the same purpose. A lot of bulk drug shipments get into the USA using speed boats and semi-submersibles. The coast guard is like a rabid dog once you cross the boundry between international waters and United states control coastline. What if we could develop a minature submarine guided by gps to make the last leg of the journey from international waters to land? If you build it to withstand 30 feet of depth that would keep you out of trouble with most wave action and storms, you could run a trailing wire up to the surface to get the gps signal, and because of its small size it would be extremely hard to detect something the size of a torpedo using sonar. You wouldn't need to have a loud fast propulsion system either as it wouldn't need to be used for attacking moving targets. And a torpedo design seems like it would provide plenty of room for cargo. The USA issue MK48 torp is 19 ft (5.79 m) long by 21 inches in diameter. without the need for the warhead, fuel, and high speed propulsion, you could use something with those dimensions to carry a lot of dope. And if that's not big enough for you there's the Japanese Type 93 variant that comes in at 9 meters long. Not suggesting you use real torpedos, but giving you an idea of how much space you could have for cargo in something so hard to detect. Build one out of wood instead of steel (if done right wood will swell in water preventing leaks), put in an efficient, quiet electric drive, and have your trafficers launch them toward land from the safety of international waters while gps guides them to the pick up spot.

Looks like these have already been done, look at Autonomous Underwater Vehicles and Underwater Gliders:

****CLEARNET******
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AUV

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_glider
*****CLEARNET*****

If someone on the forum can make these go at a faster speed (10knots) they'll sell like hot cakes.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: xx138xx on November 11, 2012, 04:46 am
You could easily get one over 10 knots. It's just a matter of endurance and how much noise you are comfortable making. If high speed is your main goal you could use the drive system from a water ski or even go exotic and use a hydrogen peroxide reaction engine like the Germans had experimented with towards the end of WW2. It's a bit more difficult to drive a propeller at high rpms without cavitation ( and therefor excess noise generation). If you wanted to go sort of steampunk with it you could go with a Parafin wax/nitrous oxide rocket propulsion system but the range would be shit and damn near uncontrolable (think torpedo jumping out of the water just trying to make a slight upward course correction).

Edit: this could all be a moot point if we were able to get our hands on Plutonium 238 (NO NOT AS BAD AS YOU THINK) It's the isotope of Plutonium that is used in RTG reactors in spacecraft and very remote sensor stations in the Artic and Antartic regions. IT's got a short half life of less than 90 years. It also releases it's radioactivity in the form of Alpha particles which makes it very safe to handle as radioactive substances go. Alpha particles can't even penetrate skin. What makes this isotope so useful and promising is it naturally radiates a lot of heat making it ideal for thermal generators. And since it doesn't give off a noticable amount of gamma radiation its of no use to terrorists for a dirty bomb or nuclear weapon. Having access to a power source like this could give the vehicle we're discussing the ability to travel for years before needing to be refueled, essentially given us unlimited range .
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on November 11, 2012, 10:05 am
Thanks for that post xx138xx, very interesting. I realize alot of people come here with promises that are not held, I am not one of them. I have nothing else to do, I've already started placing orders to build my workshop and am serious about this.

As for the advice, thank you. I am aware of alot of boarder control security, including what the united states has to take down remotely controlled planes. My best team member is the best because he's been installing comm equipment for over 10 years for military and police all over the globe, working for one of the biggest companies. He is more aware than I personally am of these safe guards the governments use and me and him have talked alot about ways around EMF and other such counter's across boarders. I simply dont mention them here to 1: stop others stealing my business and 2: stop the gov, should they be reading this, being aware that i know about it and what im doing to get around it. Fair enough?


We are still figuring out what we think would be *best* for take off, ideas such as a winch launch, which is basically a box with a ridiculously awesome winch, connected to the UAV a half KM down the road which pulls extremely hard and gets faster and faster going through the gears, until it finally launches, requiring no 'launch power' for the aircraft. We are still undecided but this is just a, whats 'best' thing, we can do it with conventional methods of course. We also have been concerned and coming up with methods to avoid being shot down.. one is that this runs on both electric and gas, and alters its revs and height/speed constantly to avoid being tracked by sound. Again, i dont want to get into too much detail but trust me guys, if you have thought of it we have + some.

Submarines... yeah, I have been thinking I might expand to this eventually, although i dont personally know anyone who has proper experience building subs... its a limited market haha. I was thinking a great, very simple device would be a system attached to the side of your boat/underneath. Basically, it holds all your drugs, and when you get stopped by the boarder security, it releases them. It stays down for X amount of hours/minutes, before being released back to the surface by dropping its weight. It of course has a GPS or other radio device to be found again. Very simple and very cheap to do. Just an idea, although im sticking to the air for now :)
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: xx138xx on November 11, 2012, 10:19 am
If you're at the point of considering a winch like catapult system for launches, then you're planning to go way bigger than I thought :)   If you're going to have something that size then it opens up the possibility for hybrid propulsion. A methanol engine for fuel powered flight. Then one or two electric motors in a pusher configuration. You could apply solar cells to the top of the wings to help extend your battery charge and also allow the electric powered props to generate current for recharging from the autogyration they will go through when the plane is running on methanol alone.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on November 11, 2012, 10:29 am
Well the advantages of a winch are great as you probably know. Ie, you dont have to worry about having enough power for launch, so your distance in the air is increased greatly. This allows for bigger payloads on a plane that normally wouldnt get off the ground. This system will probably be restricted to the models that go really far, not 100km or less. I learned of this idea because an engineer friend had to help work on a glider(for people) winch that was a v8 engine from a truck(i know, wow!) that was having issues a few years back.

Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: TheGoodSon on November 11, 2012, 04:17 pm
Since you will need a nice open road for take off anyways, a cheaper winch system will be a car with a rope tied to the rear bumper.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: p3nd8s on November 14, 2012, 11:05 am
I'd personally buy a 10km model and shell out the $20k. It would pay for itself with the first 5kg load across the border. My main concern is when it would be ready, I'm sure the demand is high and he'll have a long waiting list.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: longbeach20f on November 25, 2012, 07:57 am
I wouldnt say demand is so high that its not worth sending a pm to express your interest. The more enquiry and information we can gather from vendors and others, the better and more fitted the product will be.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: blowdrobro on November 25, 2012, 07:05 pm
I want one! will it get me a beer out of the frig?
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: Stealth RX on November 26, 2012, 09:16 pm
this thread is still going?? bless you wonderful people!! well, i hope this idea is able to get off the ground and really take off...get it?? b/c it's a plane, that's why i said that you dumbass!! (not you reader, that's directed at my idiot alter-ego...he recently failed his ged test...again, so he doesn't understand shit). anywho, i hope this is the very beginning of a world where unmanned drones drop same-day shipments at your feet and the need for the postal service becomes obsolete. g0dspeed pioneers, g0dspeed!!
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: p3nd8s on February 24, 2013, 07:50 am
Anybody know what happened to the OP? Looks like he is MIA.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: bobhope333 on February 24, 2013, 11:26 am
Sounds like some bullshit to me, what OP is providing for sale isn't even illegal, so why would you worry about LE, or even just an anonymous picture? And like someone else said earlier, you act like a bitch when replying to criticism, can you try to be professional?

And you're right, I can't afford your product, but even if I could I wouldn't do business with you. As far as I know you're the LE trying to gather info on large scale movers of product, or just a simple scam.

Although I could be wrong, perhaps your legit, but in that case take it easy and post a damn picture, a picture isn't going to compromise you at all.
Just felt the need to say this: Regardless of the legal situation as to whether you can sell these drones legally, marketing them as a device for smuggling drugs would be ABSOLUTELY ILLEGAL as you would be charged for conspiracy to sell and traffic drugs. Conspiracy, in most countries carries as hefty sentences as actually trafficking does! If an American got done for it, you could and would be extradited- look what happened to the British kid, extradited for posting illegal music files on his web site.
America- biggest bully on the planet. Weapons of mass destruction?????? Who the fuck was it that used weapons of mass destruction first- fucking America!!!!! If that wasn't good enough, they were going to bomb Vietnam with them also!!!
Terrorism is fine if you are doing it for America!!!!! Oh the hypocrisy!!!!
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: DrDeepWood on February 25, 2013, 06:34 am
 I dont know why people are still talking about this.
The numbers OP posted were totally bogus, even military grade equipment doesn't get that high stats.
I have experience in this field and if you want to build a drone I can advise you as an extension of my chemistry consulting services.
Title: Re: Unmanned delivery drone 10/100/1000km distance
Post by: MeanieMart on February 25, 2013, 12:46 pm
What's a better run-down on stats? Curious  ;D