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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: zipstyle on August 23, 2013, 02:31 pm

Title: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: zipstyle on August 23, 2013, 02:31 pm
http://www.luminist.org/archives/session.htm
I think this is a must-read for all LSD users and explains many of the seemingly strange or bizarre experiences that don't make much sense. This guide helps to optimize the time spent in the LSD headspace and maximize your use of the trip.

I hope this is as helpful to all of you (especially the LSD first-timers) as it was to me!
Title: Re: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: chil on August 23, 2013, 09:19 pm
Fucking excellent as an analysis of in-session annoying behaviours. This is exactly why I rarely trip with other people. I enjoyed it immensely ! +1

Quote
I HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS

     Novices in LSD sessions sometimes become convinced that they know the answers to all the mysteries of life and the universe.

We have many of these people here.
Title: Re: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: zipstyle on August 24, 2013, 01:52 am
Fucking excellent as an analysis of in-session annoying behaviours. This is exactly why I rarely trip with other people. I enjoyed it immensely ! +1

Quote
I HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS

     Novices in LSD sessions sometimes become convinced that they know the answers to all the mysteries of life and the universe.

We have many of these people here.

I'm so glad you enjoyed reading it! When I discovered it, I wondered why it wasn't referenced more often. I think that people need to be educated in what the psychedelic experience offers, not just what pretty shapes, colors, and hallucinations it can procure. I hope that the link or the contents of it may become well-known once again (as it seems that this pamphlet was quite common back when it was originally published).

All the best!
Title: Re: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: chil on August 24, 2013, 08:42 am
Yep, it was published in the sixties, at the same time Games People Play by Eric Berne was published. Had never heard of it before.
Title: Re: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: SealTeam6 on August 24, 2013, 09:26 am
Always a good read +1
Title: Re: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: zipstyle on August 24, 2013, 02:45 pm
Always a good read +1


Thank you, spread the word!
Title: Re: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: cricketplank on August 24, 2013, 09:14 pm
Yep, it was published in the sixties, at the same time Games People Play by Eric Berne was published. Had never heard of it before.

Picked up Games People Play during a completely horrendous heady trip with a bunch of people. so strange to read about an interaction and then someone come in the room and do it precisely. had to put it down and spent the rest of the next... 48 hours with a tarot deck. not sure which was a worse companion really...


thanks zipstyle, looking this up now
Title: Re: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: Vanquish on August 24, 2013, 09:26 pm
Yup, was actually reading through this before I went to bed last night.
Was in the middle of an MXE haze though and didn't finish it though.
Great post as always, Zip!

I especially enjoyed the How High You Are Chart and this quote.

"In fact, it’s best to set aside all expectations as much as possible. LSD will almost certainly be different from anything you might expect, so why not go into it acknowledging that it is unknown territory. This may have the advantage of rescuing you from the self - defeating game of How High Am I? Like the proverbial watched pot that never boils, some people manage to hold themselves down by continually looking for symptoms and trying to see whether they are high yet. Since you don’t know what the LSD state is like, there is no point in trying to figure out whether you have gotten there. Assuming it is genuine LSD, and you have taken enough of it, it will do its part. If you must know how high you are, look at the clock. The time schedule of an LSD session goes something like this:"

The graph is eerily accurate for the time period, though I do believe the Erowid one is a bit more spot on.
Then again, never underestimate the power of an acid trip.
Either way, it was a fun read - and I'll probably read the rest later today.
I love classic literature like this.
Thanks for posting.

Vanquish
Title: Re: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: zipstyle on September 05, 2013, 06:02 am
I am glad this post was helpful! Maybe links can be shared in other threads like the LSD Avengers thread or similar?
Or possibly in some people's sigs in order to keep the info in circulation?
Title: Re: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: Vanquish on September 05, 2013, 05:30 pm
Zip, I have a question in regards to Session Games and I guess psychedelics in general.
Ever since my horrible experience with 25I-NBOMe I often find myself getting caught in thought loops and recursive thinking.
Back in the day I could usually just snap myself out of it instantly, either through changing set or setting or thinking to myself "STOP IT", or keeping silent.
Anything along those lines.

The looping was something that had predominately shown itself occasionally with other substances throughout my lifetime, but I've never experienced it to the magnitude of the 25I.
Ever since then some of my trips are showing that same dominance to get stuck in a loop.
I'm not exactly sure if these are lingering effects, or something that needs to be restructured in my own mind to fix in the future.
Usually silence, meditation, and strong will power can bring take them away.
But I'm finding this more and more difficult.

TLDR -
For those of us that are finding us caught in loops, or negative thinking based on the session games and your experience in general how would you solve this problem?

<3 Vanquish
Title: Re: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: Jason Bourne on September 05, 2013, 06:45 pm
Zip, I have a question in regards to Session Games and I guess psychedelics in general.
Ever since my horrible experience with 25I-NBOMe I often find myself getting caught in thought loops and recursive thinking.
Back in the day I could usually just snap myself out of it instantly, either through changing set or setting or thinking to myself "STOP IT", or keeping silent.
Anything along those lines.

The looping was something that had predominately shown itself occasionally with other substances throughout my lifetime, but I've never experienced it to the magnitude of the 25I.
Ever since then some of my trips are showing that same dominance to get stuck in a loop.
I'm not exactly sure if these are lingering effects, or something that needs to be restructured in my own mind to fix in the future.
Usually silence, meditation, and strong will power can bring take them away.
But I'm finding this more and more difficult.

TLDR -
For those of us that are finding us caught in loops, or negative thinking based on the session games and your experience in general how would you solve this problem?

<3 Vanquish

I dunno what you meanby loops, but obsessive thinking is easily treated by behavioristic therapies. I don't know if this applies to what you experience, and I sure shit don't wanna sound disrespectful or seem to judge you.
Why don't you take it easy for a while mate?

Peace out
JB

Title: Re: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: zipstyle on September 05, 2013, 08:37 pm
Zip, I have a question in regards to Session Games and I guess psychedelics in general.
Ever since my horrible experience with 25I-NBOMe I often find myself getting caught in thought loops and recursive thinking.
Back in the day I could usually just snap myself out of it instantly, either through changing set or setting or thinking to myself "STOP IT", or keeping silent.
Anything along those lines.

The looping was something that had predominately shown itself occasionally with other substances throughout my lifetime, but I've never experienced it to the magnitude of the 25I.
Ever since then some of my trips are showing that same dominance to get stuck in a loop.
I'm not exactly sure if these are lingering effects, or something that needs to be restructured in my own mind to fix in the future.
Usually silence, meditation, and strong will power can bring take them away.
But I'm finding this more and more difficult.

TLDR -
For those of us that are finding us caught in loops, or negative thinking based on the session games and your experience in general how would you solve this problem?

<3 Vanquish

Hmm. This happened to me once, long long ago when I took a much too large dose of psychedelics. After lurking around the internet for a bit, I found that I had some of the symptoms of drug psychosis, which is not too difficult to achieve when there is a lack of sleep, any levels of stress or anxiety, and high-dose drug use. The solution for me was to not use any drugs for a while, relax, and give my mind some time to heal and come to terms with reality. I think a good four months of sobriety will help to get you back on normal thought patterns :)
Title: Re: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: Vanquish on September 05, 2013, 09:10 pm
I dunno what you mean by loops, but obsessive thinking is easily treated by behavioristic therapies. I don't know if this applies to what you experience, and I sure shit don't wanna sound disrespectful or seem to judge you.
Why don't you take it easy for a while mate?

Peace out
JB

No offense taken.  :)
Title: Re: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: Vanquish on September 05, 2013, 09:24 pm
Hmm. This happened to me once, long long ago when I took a much too large dose of psychedelics. After lurking around the internet for a bit, I found that I had some of the symptoms of drug psychosis, which is not too difficult to achieve when there is a lack of sleep, any levels of stress or anxiety, and high-dose drug use. The solution for me was to not use any drugs for a while, relax, and give my mind some time to heal and come to terms with reality. I think a good four months of sobriety will help to get you back on normal thought patterns :)

Yeah, it's definitely some type of rebound psychosis brought on by those things you listed that is inherently affecting my thought patterns.
Like you said, there isn't much you can do to switch it off until you let your mind and body heal and come to reality.
Time and reality were split apart when the 25I incident happened, getting caught almost into this DMT like wormhole where nothing seized to actually have any practicality to it.
Just this constant stuck feeling where sounds, movement, time and space - would loop over and over and over again.  6-8 hours felt like 28 days, and there was absolutely no way to snap out of this.

I think you're absolutely right, only time and some semblance of sobriety will heal my thought patterns. 
Because no matter how "tuned" my brain is for the challenge, right now its stress can't cope with the capabilities of handling the experience.
Things that used to be effortless are now my biggest obstacle.

Thank you for the thought inspiring post!

<3 Vanquish
Title: Re: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: Rastaman Vibration on September 06, 2013, 02:53 am
Excellent read! Love how it refers to trips as "sessions". I'm gonna borrow that ;)

+1 for you zipstyle!
Title: Re: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: zipstyle on September 06, 2013, 08:55 am
thanks man! please feel free to use or share the love! that's what it's there for anyways :)
Title: Re: Session Games People Play: A Guide for the Use of LSD
Post by: Radius2000 on September 11, 2013, 01:58 am
Fascinating read.

What are people's thoughts on her advice about avoiding tripping on your own? I did LSD a couple of times 20 years ago and fancy doing it again. I'm not sure any of my friends would join me so I'll be doing it on my own. I hadn't thought about the points she raised about doing it in a group until now.