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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: junjo on August 15, 2013, 03:20 am

Title: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: junjo on August 15, 2013, 03:20 am
Originally posted this in newbie discussion. Reached 50 posts and decided that it belonged better in here.

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS A PERSONAL ANECDOTE SHARED FOR HARM REDUCTION PURPOSES. I AM NOT SAYING IT IS AN INHERENTLY BAD DRUG. IT MAY WORK FINE WITH YOUR BODY CHEMISTRY

I've always had an interest in methylone since MDMA was so god damn expensive, and since they are so structurally similar I anticipated that they would be basically the same thing.
Well, in some ways that was true, but methylone in the end gave me some of the nastiest fucking side effects that never happened on any drug before, even mdma including:
-bizarre tingling all over my body
-rapid heart rate/panic attacks
-purple knees
-horrible, horrible depression (way worse than MDMA) in the days after

And this wasn't even a massive amount I consumed, I did a 140 mg starter dose with 3 40 mg boosters over the course of the night. People have recommended to me much, much larger doses.
Maybe I just have some incompatibility with it and you'll be fine, but please BE FUCKING CAREFUL WITH THIS STUFF.
I've gone through an entire week of hell thanks to this drug.
I finally got the willpower to flush it today, and I feel so much happier and relaxed.

TLDR; Methylone is NOT MDMA. It has almost no clinical research compared to MDMA, and may fuck you up awfully like it did to me.
If you want to do it, I'm not forcing you not to, but please, please be careful.

Please feel free to discuss/bump the thread to get this out in the open.
I don't want anyone to have to go through same living hell I did.
Also, feel free to ask me questions if you'd like.
Thanks to whoever reads this for listening to my story
/rant
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: Vanquish on August 15, 2013, 04:37 am
Originally posted this in newbie discussion. Reached 50 posts and decided that it belonged better in here.

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS A PERSONAL ANECDOTE SHARED FOR HARM REDUCTION PURPOSES. I AM NOT SAYING IT IS AN INHERENTLY BAD DRUG. IT MAY WORK FINE WITH YOUR BODY CHEMISTRY

I've always had an interest in methylone since MDMA was so god damn expensive, and since they are so structurally similar I anticipated that they would be basically the same thing.
Well, in some ways that was true, but methylone in the end gave me some of the nastiest fucking side effects that never happened on any drug before, even mdma including:
-bizarre tingling all over my body
-rapid heart rate/panic attacks
-purple knees
-horrible, horrible depression (way worse than MDMA) in the days after

And this wasn't even a massive amount I consumed, I did a 140 mg starter dose with 3 40 mg boosters over the course of the night. People have recommended to me much, much larger doses.
Maybe I just have some incompatibility with it and you'll be fine, but please BE FUCKING CAREFUL WITH THIS STUFF.
I've gone through an entire week of hell thanks to this drug.
I finally got the willpower to flush it today, and I feel so much happier and relaxed.

TLDR; Methylone is NOT MDMA. It has almost no clinical research compared to MDMA, and may fuck you up awfully like it did to me.
If you want to do it, I'm not forcing you not to, but please, please be careful.

Please feel free to discuss/bump the thread to get this out in the open.
I don't want anyone to have to go through same living hell I did.
Also, feel free to ask me questions if you'd like.
Thanks to whoever reads this for listening to my story
/rant

+1 for Harm Reduction and TR.
These are always important for the community.
Since most RC's safety profiles are relatively unknown it seems like there is always a certain percentages of people that suffer extremely nasty side effects.
Reporting them is the right thing to do.
I've been through an equally devastating time with them as well (25I-NBOMe).
You can be as careful as possible, but you are still playing with fire and can easily get burnt.
As time goes on it will eventually turn into a full blown epidemic.
25I-NBOMe has been flooding the LSD market for ~2 years now.
I'd consider the plague already in progress.

Here is my 25I-NBOMe experience if you want to read it.  It's definitely relevant.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=199038.msg1445894#msg1445894

Most important part - is always be super careful when approaching a new substance (especially RC's).
Spend the time to allergy test, slowly and scientifically before hopping right in.
Sometimes 1mg is the difference between a good time, and an accidental overdose.

Be careful, and thanks for posting.
Hope you make a full recovery.

Vanquish
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: junjo on August 15, 2013, 05:53 am
Originally posted this in newbie discussion. Reached 50 posts and decided that it belonged better in here.

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS A PERSONAL ANECDOTE SHARED FOR HARM REDUCTION PURPOSES. I AM NOT SAYING IT IS AN INHERENTLY BAD DRUG. IT MAY WORK FINE WITH YOUR BODY CHEMISTRY

I've always had an interest in methylone since MDMA was so god damn expensive, and since they are so structurally similar I anticipated that they would be basically the same thing.
Well, in some ways that was true, but methylone in the end gave me some of the nastiest fucking side effects that never happened on any drug before, even mdma including:
-bizarre tingling all over my body
-rapid heart rate/panic attacks
-purple knees
-horrible, horrible depression (way worse than MDMA) in the days after

And this wasn't even a massive amount I consumed, I did a 140 mg starter dose with 3 40 mg boosters over the course of the night. People have recommended to me much, much larger doses.
Maybe I just have some incompatibility with it and you'll be fine, but please BE FUCKING CAREFUL WITH THIS STUFF.
I've gone through an entire week of hell thanks to this drug.
I finally got the willpower to flush it today, and I feel so much happier and relaxed.

TLDR; Methylone is NOT MDMA. It has almost no clinical research compared to MDMA, and may fuck you up awfully like it did to me.
If you want to do it, I'm not forcing you not to, but please, please be careful.

Please feel free to discuss/bump the thread to get this out in the open.
I don't want anyone to have to go through same living hell I did.
Also, feel free to ask me questions if you'd like.
Thanks to whoever reads this for listening to my story
/rant

+1 for Harm Reduction and TR.
These are always important for the community.
Since most RC's safety profiles are relatively unknown it seems like there is always a certain percentages of people that suffer extremely nasty side effects.
Reporting them is the right thing to do.
I've been through an equally devastating time with them as well (25I-NBOMe).
You can be as careful as possible, but you are still playing with fire and can easily get burnt.
As time goes on it will eventually turn into a full blown epidemic.
25I-NBOMe has been flooding the LSD market for ~2 years now.
I'd consider the plague already in progress.

Here is my 25I-NBOMe experience if you want to read it.  It's definitely relevant.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=199038.msg1445894#msg1445894

Most important part - is always be super careful when approaching a new substance (especially RC's).
Spend the time to allergy test, slowly and scientifically before hopping right in.
Sometimes 1mg is the difference between a good time, and an accidental overdose.

Be careful, and thanks for posting.
Hope you make a full recovery.

Vanquish

Thanks for the +1 mate I appreciate it. I read your nbome story and it sounds like something that happened to a friend IRL as well, shit like that really hits home. RCs are damn scary things, and what is even more terrifying is the fact that I treated these powerful substances with pure nonchalance just weeks ago. Although my experience was a mere "slap on the wrist" compared to some RC nightmares, it was enough to pull me off the RC ride completely. Wish you the best in your recovery as well.
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: Vanquish on August 15, 2013, 06:04 am
Wish you the best in your recovery as well.

Thanks, I appreciate it!
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: trainsTrainsTRAINS on August 15, 2013, 06:08 am
i used to acquire it on clearnet years ago and was using it as an mdma substitute.  didn't take long for me to allow myself to slip into near daily use and compulsive redosing every 45 minutes.  This went on for about a year and was an extremely unpleasant time in my life.  All the connections dried up thankfully and I have zero interest in ever putting another rc in my body again.  I just got to an age and point in my life where it felt incredibly stupid and poisonous.  All the skin on my lips used to peel off regularly while I was using it and I still have an embarassing flaking red skin condition on my face that developed during that time in my life and has not cleared in the 4 years I've been methylone-free.
you're probably right, the stuff may be ok for some people but not for all.
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: junjo on August 15, 2013, 07:24 am
bumping because the Dilbert asshole's troll thread spam
harm reduction is a serious fucking thing dude
you're not fucking invincible
way to beat me when i'm already at my lowest low
also thanks for giving me negative karma
i totally deserve it for sharing an honest story with the hopes that it could save someone's health or even their life
thanks a lot bro.
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: thyme on August 15, 2013, 08:07 am
Hi, welcome to the world of harm reduction!  It's not a warm and friendly place all the time.

If you think your information is relevant, then, well, fuck the negative karma. You're not in this to be pretty and popular.

For your windmill-tilting journeys, I offer the following observation: As a rule, people do think they're invincible. When you threaten their self-concept/defenses and set up a heap of cognitive dissonance, it makes them unhappy and cranky. (Hence some people's decision to willfully refuse to use encryption, et cetera. 'I can not possibly be at risk because that is unacceptable to me, LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOUR SECURITY NONSENSE.')

Anyway, thanks for sharing your observations and for the consideration that people may have varying experiences.

--thyme
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: sinister-breaks on August 15, 2013, 08:10 am
Methylone isn't MDMA, you hit the nail on the head with that statement really.

I have tried Methylone, and many other "legals", I have come to the conclusion your better off with tried and tested than these new chemicals that in reality, we have no clue about in regards to toxicity and long term effects.

STICK TO MDMA, why buy something thats "like" MDMA, but well, is a totally different chemical which although  may work on the same brain receptors, is very different in chemical make up from MDMA, and in a few years could turn out to be extremely toxic.

Nice one for the harm reduction advice, anyone using "research chemicals" on a regular basis walks a risky path!
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: junjo on August 15, 2013, 08:15 am
Hi, welcome to the world of harm reduction!  It's not a warm and friendly place all the time.

If you think your information is relevant, then, well, fuck the negative karma. You're not in this to be pretty and popular.

For your windmill-tilting journeys, I offer the following observation: As a rule, people do think they're invincible. When you threaten their self-concept/defenses and set up a heap of cognitive dissonance, it makes them unhappy and cranky. (Hence some people's decision to willfully refuse to use encryption, et cetera. 'I can not possibly be at risk because that is unacceptable to me, LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOUR SECURITY NONSENSE.')

Anyway, thanks for sharing your observations and for the consideration that people may have varying experiences.

--thyme
Thanks for the reasonable response.
I'm assuming that the dude is a pissed off M1 dealer if he made that much effort to try and discredit my story
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: ProudCannabian on August 15, 2013, 06:07 pm
I gave you some positive karma, because I know it sucks to go through shit and be mocked.
Don't sweat the karma at all though, trolls like Dilbert come and go.

Some people have bad reactions to some substances, so you could be sensitive to methylone, which shouldn't take away from the general message that everyone should be careful when trying a new substance.  Take it slow and see how it effects you.

I never bother with "substitutes" for other drugs.  Why bother reinventing the wheel, when the wheel is far superior.  I don't see the point of synthetic cannibinoids either,  MDMA and MDA are good enough to cover that whole range of feeling quite well, and weed does a good job doing what it does.

But yeah.  Ignore the trolls, when you blow up at them it just makes them giggle and do it more.
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: Jack N Hoff on August 16, 2013, 02:20 am
STICK TO MDMA, why buy something thats "like" MDMA, but well, is a totally different chemical which although  may work on the same brain receptors, is very different in chemical make up from MDMA, and in a few years could turn out to be extremely toxic.

There is actually more than two decades of research on methylone.  Methylone was patented as an antidepressant by Jacob Peyton and Alexander Shulgin in 1996.  It is simply MDMA with a beta ketone.  It ls safer and less neurotoxic than MDMA.  You should look into the research on things before making up false statements and providing it to others as factual information.
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: rynoragin on August 16, 2013, 02:29 am
Agreed with Jack. M1 for most is a much calmer roll with less intense side effects. It sounds like your body responded negatively to it. You have the right to share that info, but I've heard more negative things about mdma than I have m1. My clients love m1 way more than they love mdma. No cracky comedown. I'm sorry you had this reaction friend. I hope you are okay and sending good vibes!!!

Ryno
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: Vanquish on August 16, 2013, 07:22 am
STICK TO MDMA, why buy something thats "like" MDMA, but well, is a totally different chemical which although  may work on the same brain receptors, is very different in chemical make up from MDMA, and in a few years could turn out to be extremely toxic.

There is actually more than two decades of research on methylone.  Methylone was patented as an antidepressant by Jacob Peyton and Alexander Shulgin in 1996.  It is simply MDMA with a beta ketone.  It ls safer and less neurotoxic than MDMA.  You should look into the research on things before making up false statements and providing it to others as factual information.

Like any drug, especially RC's reactions can vary greatly from individual to individual.
In the small percentage of people that have sensitivity to the negative side effects things can go south real quick.
Even being extremely careful, case and point everyone will have varying opinions and honestly that's the point.
The experience will always vary, and what is safe for someone.  May be deadly for the next person.
It's part of the risk that we take.

Vanquish
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: Jack N Hoff on August 16, 2013, 07:26 am
STICK TO MDMA, why buy something thats "like" MDMA, but well, is a totally different chemical which although  may work on the same brain receptors, is very different in chemical make up from MDMA, and in a few years could turn out to be extremely toxic.

There is actually more than two decades of research on methylone.  Methylone was patented as an antidepressant by Jacob Peyton and Alexander Shulgin in 1996.  It is simply MDMA with a beta ketone.  It ls safer and less neurotoxic than MDMA.  You should look into the research on things before making up false statements and providing it to others as factual information.

Like any drug, especially RC's reactions can vary greatly from individual to individual.
In the small percentage of people that have sensitivity to the negative side effects things can go south real quick.
Even being extremely careful, case and point everyone will have varying opinions and honestly that's the point.
The experience will always vary, and what is safe for someone.  May be deadly for the next person.
It's part of the risk that we take.

Vanquish

Exactly.  Every drug is like that except for cannabis unless you happen to be allergic.  That is what I told OP in PM.  Everyone's body chemistry is different.  He definitely had a negative reaction to it.  Most people react very positively to it and it is generally safer than MDMA and also less neurotoxic than MDMA.
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: Vanquish on August 16, 2013, 07:37 am
Exactly.  Every drug is like that except for cannabis unless you happen to be allergic.  That is what I told OP in PM.  Everyone's body chemistry is different.  He definitely had a negative reaction to it.  Most people react very positively to it and it is generally safer than MDMA and also less neurotoxic than MDMA.

Yup, body chemistry is definitely a key factor.
I agree with you and for the most part I found M1 to be both enjoyable and relatively benign.
Actually really enjoyed the gram that was sampled, and being able to use it every 3-5 days as opposed to 1-3 months for MDMA makes it unique in it's own way.
For me I noticed almost no side effects besides jaw clenching.  Which can be easily handled with some Magnesium preloading.
Minus it's short duration (which to be honest isn't that short compared to X), can't really complain.  I'd try it again in the future.
Domestically its almost the same price as MDMA.  So it's a bit less accessible for me at the moment since I'm not looking for bulk or even ordering from China yet. 

Haven't dug deeply enough into Methylone yet to really know it inside and out.
But in the future I wouldn't hesitate to try it again.
The sample I was fortunate enough to try was pretty lackluster in potency, but still great overall.
I bet some killer M1 would really change my mind.

Vanquish
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: eustacebagge on August 17, 2013, 07:07 am
came for a warning, and left with a desire to try it. life is funny sometimes.
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: trainsTrainsTRAINS on August 17, 2013, 10:57 pm
Damn, I'm sorry I missed whatever the troll was saying.  sounds mildly entertaining!

Just wanted to add that as time went by and sources dried up I settled on ordering from a big site at the time that shipped from China.  It had some strange characteristics indicative of poor quality but being psychologically addicted I still did it.  Think that's what put me off the stuff.  Nothing like a good poisoning to cement a decision in your mind.   Then a UK seller burned me and sent me a big bag of 'Naphyrone' (wtf is that shit?) instead of M1.  Took all the packaging and RCs I had sitting around from over the years and put them in a bonfire.  It felt great.

clean M1 might be just fine but I just stick to the classics now.  LSD, mushrooms, MDMA, cannabis, I have fallen in love with them again now thanks to SR

On a side note I have read with interest John McAfees adventures in MDPV-land.  Now that shit sounds hardcore.
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: bluedev1 on August 17, 2013, 11:57 pm
I can't believe I have to actually point this out...

Whatever your experience was, unless you had the chemical you ingested LAB TESTED, you have no authority to say X causes Y.  You don't know how pure X was, or if you even had X to begin with.  All you know is someone on the internet sold you something and told you it was X.

I'm not saying Methylone can't cause what happened to you, I'm saying that you CANNOT SAY Methylone caused it to happen to you, because you simply do not have proof that it was even Methylone, nor do you have any proof that it didn't have impurities with their own side effects.
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: trainsTrainsTRAINS on August 18, 2013, 12:50 am
Hey hey, I agree with you.  I definitely should have at least marquis tested it but was dumb at the time.  The first 40 grams or so I went through felt consistent to others accounts of m1 to me.  The last 10g was something else or synthed poorly.
Title: Re: Be careful with Methylone (M1). Made my life a living hell after only one use
Post by: rynoragin on August 18, 2013, 01:29 am
What is with all these "be careful with x. Made my life a living hell after only one use". trolls?

Ryno