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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: digitalanarchist on December 30, 2011, 10:22 am

Title: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: digitalanarchist on December 30, 2011, 10:22 am
just wondering if illegal drugs are seized by customs, will they arrest you if its in your name?
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: supersecretsquirrel on December 30, 2011, 11:49 am
just wondering if illegal drugs are seized by customs, will they arrest you if its in your name?

Depending on what and how much you've ordered, they may start an investigation. That doesn't necessarily mean that you'll be arrested, but it's probably not a fun situation to be in.
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: demetri on December 31, 2011, 03:25 pm
just wondering if illegal drugs are seized by customs, will they arrest you if its in your name?

If you got a letter surely they won't be coming to visit you or take any further action?

Under normal circumstances I'd say they will almost certainly pay you a visit for proper illegal drugs. Even if its a small quantity. I got visited by Customs in UK (not a nice experience I can tell you). These people (over here at least) have more powers than cops (can even search without a warrant) and they are very clever and devious. You won't even see them coming. From what I've seen of how Australian Customs work from that TV show, they normally just notify the local cops to pay a visit for further questioning.

(Speaking from the UK prospective here, not sure if its same in Aus) if you get dealt with by Customs rather than the cops,  the chance of you going to court is less likely if its a small quantity for personal use..they have the powers to issue a fixed fine without you going to court or having a criminal record. But once your "card is marked" if they catch you again importing anything you shouldn't, they will prosecute for sure next time and bring up the previous drugs too in court.

I guess like others said, all depends on what drugs and quantity we're talking about. Certain drugs like class-A will nearly always mean a court appearance, but lesser drugs like cannabis and opiates just a caution if its first offense. Unless they think the quantity is more than personal use (there's a very fine line between personal use and dealing).
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: hajielid on December 31, 2011, 11:49 pm
There are 4 outcomes to this situation
- Successful delivery
- Package goes missing (stolen or chucked in the bin as its not worth wasting customs/AFP resources for minimal amounts)
- Love letter from customs (usually for Benzo's/Pharms)
- A visit from the Australian Federal Police (All worthy cases with drugs in the mail go straight to the AFP not just your local cops)
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: Kali Kross on January 01, 2012, 01:01 am
I hear aussie customs are supposed to be the best in the world. If that is the case that means they catch tons of small amounts and there is no way they could afford to arrest everyone that has a letter addressed to them containing an illegal substance.
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: enddox on January 01, 2012, 01:48 am
I hear aussie customs are supposed to be the best in the world.

People do seem to think this but from the posts all over the forums of people successfully getting their products through then I'd either say it's mostly propaganda (eg: yes, that Border Security TV show) or the customs in other countries are very lax.

It only takes some logical thinking to realise that the volume of mail coming in (and going out) is so immense that it would be almost impossible to catch all illicit material and I'm not just talking about drugs. There are a whole host of other items that are prohibited imports (far too many to list) so keep in mind that they would be devoting time to identify these products aswell which in turn reduces the time to look for drugs.

Also, Australia is a very large country (land mass) but has a very small population in comparison so there are fewer entry points for incoming OS mail which in turn would be easier to police so it could be that our seizures per capita are higher than most countries which leads people to believe that our customs service is so efficient.

But I've yet to hear of one single Aussie on the forums who has been arrested, visited, or even received a 'love letter' from customs or the AFP (although I may have missed it as I don't read all the sub-forums). By saying this I better not become the 1st!! :D

Sorry to take this thread so off-topic but I cringe when I see someone saying Aussie customs are so good when clearly the empirical evidence suggests otherwise. (Nothing personal Kali.. lol..)

Re: the OP - as others have mentioned it would probably depend on the amount of product that was seized and whether they deem it for personal use or for supply. I am most definitely NOT a lawyer but I would think that they would need more evidence to build a case that some random letter being sent to your address. There are so many other variables involved. For example it wouldn't be unreasonable to imagine someone with a vendetta against you could keep mailing you illegal substances to try and get you in trouble - but there are heaps of other possibilities.

If you are really stressing probably best to make sure your house is free from other illegal products and associated paraphernalia (or pop a Valium or two).
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: hajielid on January 01, 2012, 02:10 am
I cringe when I see someone saying Aussie customs are so good when clearly the empirical evidence suggests otherwise.

As do I, it is somewhat deterring to see Aussie customs quoted some of the best in the world. However you will find that the majority of aussies on here have very high success rates -  it usually comes down to the luck of the draw, I have seen some very shonky stuff flow through customs which would raise suspicions to most people.
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: souledout on January 01, 2012, 04:48 am
Vapor sealed all the way !


Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: demetri on January 03, 2012, 01:22 pm
I hear aussie customs are supposed to be the best in the world.

People do seem to think this but from the posts all over the forums of people successfully getting their products through then I'd either say it's mostly propaganda (eg: yes, that Border Security TV show) or the customs in other countries are very lax.

It only takes some logical thinking to realise that the volume of mail coming in (and going out) is so immense that it would be almost impossible to catch all illicit material and I'm not just talking about drugs. There are a whole host of other items that are prohibited imports (far too many to list) so keep in mind that they would be devoting time to identify these products aswell which in turn reduces the time to look for drugs.

Also, Australia is a very large country (land mass) but has a very small population in comparison so there are fewer entry points for incoming OS mail which in turn would be easier to police so it could be that our seizures per capita are higher than most countries which leads people to believe that our customs service is so efficient.

But I've yet to hear of one single Aussie on the forums who has been arrested, visited, or even received a 'love letter' from customs or the AFP (although I may have missed it as I don't read all the sub-forums). By saying this I better not become the 1st!! :D

Sorry to take this thread so off-topic but I cringe when I see someone saying Aussie customs are so good when clearly the empirical evidence suggests otherwise. (Nothing personal Kali.. lol..)

Re: the OP - as others have mentioned it would probably depend on the amount of product that was seized and whether they deem it for personal use or for supply. I am most definitely NOT a lawyer but I would think that they would need more evidence to build a case that some random letter being sent to your address. There are so many other variables involved. For example it wouldn't be unreasonable to imagine someone with a vendetta against you could keep mailing you illegal substances to try and get you in trouble - but there are heaps of other possibilities.

If you are really stressing probably best to make sure your house is free from other illegal products and associated paraphernalia (or pop a Valium or two).

Make no mistake Australian Customs are much more thorough than other countries. It's not propaganda.

The whole thing rests on how good the vendor is to make their package look innocent and inconspicous. Australian Customs are only good at spotting packages that stand out and warrant further examining. Big packages and things which are likely to attract import tax are obviously going to be manually checked.. small thin packages like letters stand less chance of being examined due to the high volume.

What you say about the volume is right no doubt. They simply don't have the manpower to check every single individual package carefully if they want the mail system to work efficiently. However you shouldn't RELY on this and think anything can get through. It's more luck than lapse Customs, all those that do get through.

It's just a case of vendors using common sense and good packaging to prevent detection and for buyers to take precautions against arrest.






Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: novocaine on January 04, 2012, 11:48 am
some vendors are not sending to aus anymore? wonder why?
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: novocaine on January 04, 2012, 11:52 am
I hear aussie customs are supposed to be the best in the world.


Also, Australia is a very large country (land mass) but has a very small population in comparison so there are fewer entry points for incoming OS mail which in turn would be easier to police so it could be that our seizures per capita are higher than most countries which leads people to believe that our customs service is so efficient.


(or pop a Valium or two).

some good points there I never thought of enddox
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: Megatherium on January 08, 2012, 09:40 am
Hm. I accept the fact that lotsa Aussies here have had lotsa succesful but that Border Security show really made me paranoid as fuck. I'm quite certain that I, as a vendor, would be careful enough in packaging and leave enough 'space' between me and the person who ships it to not get caught but I daren't imagine the recipient being fucked over by the pigs. What really stood out for me were the two cans of soup which were resealed to look like originals yet the weight was off making them suspicious and the luxury car which had kilos of drugs neatly tucked away. What was hilarious though was the aboriginal jew (don't think there's another way of feeling a 'doubly' persecuted as with that combination) who was complaining about how the genocide of 'his' people in 1788 while they searched him (and found illegal food or something likewise). Also the jewish American who had plums or something alike on him and called the customs agents fascists and likewise.
What would strike me though as a likely way to basically search _every_ letter coming into AU is that if all letters enter via Melbourne (which I assume is only a few thousand a day) is have a sniffer dog run the line every day. Is there a thread somebody could me to, because I find it terribly (in a sort of way you look at a car crash) fascinating how tight the Aussie border is. I know this is going quite OT but I assume it's a sort of behaviour that not only lets me, as an European, but also ppl from the states raise his eyebrow and shake his head in disbelief.
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: MRSIN on January 08, 2012, 09:58 am
Mega just on sniffer dogs, it was on the radio just last week that sniffer dogs are wrong 80% of the time in Australia, so not sure if it would really matter if they had a sniffer dog in a postal sorting place
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: Megatherium on January 08, 2012, 10:03 am
Mega just on sniffer dogs, it was on the radio just last week that sniffer dogs are wrong 80% of the time in Australia, so not sure if it would really matter if they had a sniffer dog in a postal sorting place

Whoa, thought they'd be way better. On the show they had a guy with his dog at an exam where the dog had to sniff out illegal food but wasn't allowed to give false positives for e.g. milk.
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: demsone on January 08, 2012, 11:46 am
Read this thread.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=8325.0

The OP posted information from the official aust customs site.

Vendors are not shipping to australia because they are being found out as being scammers!

I have not come across one thread on SR from aussies stating they have had a knock on the door from the cops and then being arrested.

As i said in that thread..it should be stickied so vendors don't treat us as fools.

One thing for sure i bet there will be a very limited amount of vendors selling to aussies after they read the customs thread, poor arseholes won't be able to scam us "stupid aussies" no more.

Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: danske1 on January 09, 2012, 12:10 am
Mega just on sniffer dogs, it was on the radio just last week that sniffer dogs are wrong 80% of the time in Australia, so not sure if it would really matter if they had a sniffer dog in a postal sorting place

Just to clarify this statistic was about people being searched on the street. The ridiculous failure rate is likely due to police searching anyone they want and using the dogs as an excuse for reasonable suspicion.
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: dr octagon on January 09, 2012, 08:11 am
Don't kid yourselves, if it is there to be sniffed the dogs will find it.  I speak from experience.

It's only a true fail if you have gear on you and the dog doesn't find it.

It is more likely that they sniffed 4000 people most of which didn't have any drugs on them . So, yes it is
a violation of our innocent until proven guilty protections and a joke. But, if you have shit, they will smell it.

In general, with this thread and the other one about love letters the Aussies need to chill the fuck out...

None of us know for sure,  but none of us have received letters, despite orders going missing...  It is a grey area,
and I dare say there are dishonest buyers and sellers at work making it harder for us too work out.

Ultimately, there needs to be a balance between buyer and seller or there won't be any vendors to sell to us...

One thing is for sure, if all customs  ever did was send letters and forget about it,  it wouldn't be much of a deterrent.

Don't get complacent, don't give the sellers or the fuzz much a chance to fuck you up...
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: outbacktrippin on January 09, 2012, 08:38 am
The whole thing rests on how good the vendor is to make their package look innocent and inconspicous. Australian Customs are only good at spotting packages that stand out and warrant further examining. Big packages and things which are likely to attract import tax are obviously going to be manually checked.. small thin packages like letters stand less chance of being examined due to the high volume.

On one hand, having worked in several courts and high security prisons in various roles, I can say with certainty that gateway security is only ever as tight as the attention span of the persons on duty at the time. With the ease certain things make it into and out of Goulbourn supermax for example, I have no doubt you'd need to be unlucky to be picked up for a discrete package with no red lights.

On the other hand if I were hypothetically running customs, I would let through smaller amounts that didn't lead to a clear and unambiguous slamming. You'd only need to be caught once and from then on anything sent to your address, or any known work/etc address in your name, or any future address, would be carefully and inconspicuously monitored... pooling details on where they all come from, sharing stats with foreign customs and feds, waiting for you to get greedy enough to guarantee all hell or just let it keep trickling to drill down on the senders... pulling the occasional item and sending 'love letters' to keep up appearances... minor busts of people ordering nothing contributing to the seller tracking stats...

You only need to be caught once and you're forever in the radar, and you don't even need to realise.

Bottom line: never get complacent, overconfident or greedy.
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: outbacktrippin on January 09, 2012, 08:45 am
Further on this: I think they could clamp down on post easily if they wanted to. Volume isn't that significant a factor. If they want to, post will slow down and there's naught anyone could do... but Australia is a big isolated chunk of whoop-whoop, and by keeping post the single most attractive means of import they have an easy way of monitoring most of the drug volume in one channel.

Just speculation.
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: brockeh on January 10, 2012, 03:01 am
A book im currently reading about human behavior stated that when given the opportunity to most people will cheat a little bit, people are also less honest to a large degree when dealing with digital goods (bitcoins in this case) rather then cash. reaaaalllllllyyyy interesting book no joke, 'predictably irrational' by dan ariely

possible solution to selective scamming of Australian buyers; a vendor naming thread in the rumormill, the same name showing up lots could indicate poor ethics or at least poor packaging. The same name showing up tons and still willing to send to Australia would seem definitive imo. Even the presence of the thread could reduce the practice (which im sure exists to some degree)

also: i got 1g of mdma from sesimpino just fine, nice stuff too. only delt with him once but yeah hes not all bad at the very least.
Title: Re: aussie customs + love letter
Post by: brockeh on January 10, 2012, 03:59 am
yeah it was a little while ago, it wasnt a direct transfer, that change has turned me off ordering from him again.
iirc he requested early finalization but i witheld the review till i got the product. why do people bother leaving a review basicly saying "i paid up front and dont know how it went yet, you will hear no more about this"