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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: jackb8845 on September 26, 2012, 09:49 pm
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Hi guys! I'm new to ecstacy and I only use alcohol for partying. Now I have some of those blue 200mg defqons and I was wondering is it good to take a couple of beers before I take the xtc pill or maybe I shouldn't mix alcohol with this?
Thanks guys! :)
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Beers before hand goes just fine, just not too much. You say a couple of beers, if you mean like 2/3/4 beer that's no problem at all.
Drop the xtc, I would advise to break it in half because 200mg on the first try is a little much, and don't drink any more beer for the next 3-4hours as it'll 'ruin' your XTC feeling :)
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Deffies hit hard. Beer more then likely not needed. My buddy Male/Drinker/30's puke up his deffie 2 weeks ago after only have a "few" beers.
Last week I saw someone puke up their deffie....and they werent drinking at all that night.
It hits you hard. You don't need booze. wait until it hits you full force and then see if you want to drink. You won't.
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Like dude said, a few beers beforehand is fine, eat something I guess to avoid stomach ache, and sipping on a few beers during is pretty nice too if your partying but definitely mix in some, or a lot, of water which shouldnt be a problem drinking fluids feels good you might not have a desire to drink once it hits. For me, I'm an alcoholic so it depends but I have had times when I had absolutely no desire for alcohol in a large social setting cause I was rolling so nicely. H20 though fo sho.
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Yeah eating a few hours before hand prevents stomach ache :)
And Shroom, those 'deffies' definitely hit hard, they are not to be underestimated. I can only recommend to use them half at a time
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I don't really like drinking on Mandy before but occasionally I'll sip something so long as it's spirits after but that's rare. I always think it's best to stick to the Evian...and feel young. :P
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if it's your first time with any substance i recommend taking only that substance by itself just so you can clearly get familiar with it's effects...i never mix substances until i know their effects individually....
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Probably best not to mix them. If you need a little to calm your nerves I'd keep it to a beer otherwise you'll be fine one the M takes hold.
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If you're getting your MDMA from anyone here on SR then that's all you really need...I've had the pleasure of trying alllove's and Puzzle's...both were super clean...
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if it's your first time with any substance i recommend taking only that substance by itself just so you can clearly get familiar with it's effects...i never mix substances until i know their effects individually....
Sound advice, if u wana sip on something as a lead in I feel like thats really nice to perhaps calm your nerves but once you drop that switch to water, as long as what you take is good you will be great with that alone.
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The blue defqons are not 200 and should not be split. I've only had X once before, white speakers and I split those. That was 6 months ago. I recetly had a blue defqon, I split it and barley felt it.
Take the thing whole.
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if it's your first time with any substance i recommend taking only that substance by itself just so you can clearly get familiar with it's effects...i never mix substances until i know their effects individually....
Sound advice, if u wana sip on something as a lead in I feel like thats really nice to perhaps calm your nerves but once you drop that switch to water, as long as what you take is good you will be great with that alone.
but the anxiety is a good indicator of the roll...
at first you feel anxiety...then as the minutes go by that anxiety starts to melt away....next thing you know you're rollin balls!!!
only time i've felt anxious on MDMA is if i get separated from my friends and i'm stuck in a line waiting to buy water or something...then i feel a strong urge to get back to my friends and see if they're ok....
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Bob and Knomo nailed it. I always down about two cans of beer beforehand, then drop the whole pill (if its a defqon). Wait 35 minutes. Enjoy ;D
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The blue defqons are not 200 and should not be split. I've only had X once before, white speakers and I split those. That was 6 months ago. I recetly had a blue defqon, I split it and barley felt it.
Take the thing whole.
Well sorry to say then my fellow "Roadian", but it sounds like you were the victim of the oldest XTC trick in the book. The "stamp fraud".
Sounds like whatever you had was a "replica" defqon, because I have been eating MDMA for over 10 years (in moderation of course) and have NEVER gotten smacked down like I have on Defqons.
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The blue defqons are not 200 and should not be split. I've only had X once before, white speakers and I split those. That was 6 months ago. I recetly had a blue defqon, I split it and barley felt it.
Take the thing whole.
Well sorry to say then my fellow "Roadian", but it sounds like you were the victim of the oldest XTC trick in the book. The "stamp fraud".
Sounds like whatever you had was a "replica" defqon, because I have been eating MDMA for over 10 years (in moderation of course) and have NEVER gotten smacked down like I have on Defqons.
Well this is my issue with people putting so much trust in pills, whats to say that your defqons are the "real" defqons. I don't think that every defqon in the world is being made from the same person. People do the same thing with molly too idk....
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Well sorry to say then my fellow "Roadian", but it sounds like you were the victim of the oldest XTC trick in the book. The "stamp fraud".
Nope, my girl took hers whole from the exact same batch and rolled face.
Here's the thing about X, if you take, say, 80mg and wait a hour and then another 80, you wont roll as though you taken 160, you get the same buzz from 80 but ti just last longer. You cannot build a high stronger after initial dose.
The Blue defqons are not 200 this is a straight LIE. They are probably closer to 160. Allmost all X vendors lie about the content, just like LSD.
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thanks for your help guys! :) My defqon pills are from SR and based on the reviews they should be quite good.
the problem is that before the club everyone drinks some alcohol and if I don't they start to wonder why.. so maybe a couple of beers is fine. I just have to drink them very slowly :D when the real party starts no one will notice anymore if I'm drinking just water hehe..
I'll let you know how it goes! :)
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I once chugged 500ml(pint) and took an xtc pill that was probably more bath salts than mdma.
Within about 30 minutes after taking it i was the most social person ever.
But after about an hour i don't remember anything. I was lucky that i was in the middle of the woods
and didn't have to talk to authority because by the end of the night I was trying to fight someone
and i ran around the outside of my house in my underwear falling down and looking like a mess.
I don't remember anything that night except when i was at the party. I was lucky because when i woke up
i lost everything my phone my watch my glasses my hat and my wallet. I found all the items but ten dollars
so all and all i had a really fun night, but i made a fucking fool out of myself in the process I was lucky that
was in my home, and thats when i learn not to mix esctasy and alcohol.
Not to mention the physcial effects i was probably under that could have led to my death.
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thanks for your help guys! :) My defqon pills are from SR and based on the reviews they should be quite good.
the problem is that before the club everyone drinks some alcohol and if I don't they start to wonder why.. so maybe a couple of beers is fine. I just have to drink them very slowly :D when the real party starts no one will notice anymore if I'm drinking just water hehe..
I'll let you know how it goes! :)
If they do not happen to notice the few beers you do not drink before the clube...they will CERTAINLY notice you acting a FREAK! and dancing your ass off all night sweating and hugging people while they try to look "cool" once inside the club. lol. for sure.
Eat that fucker either as soon as yall get in line outside the club or (if no line) as soon as you pull up outside the club. You do not want to be rolling your ass off (pupils all big) as you hand your ID to the bouncer, but you also do not want to be inside for 2 hours before you decide to take it.
<Billy Jean Theme>
With good timing, you will walk into the place and feel like you just moon-walked into heaven.
</Billy Jean Theme>
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Anyone like to have a few lines of Blow mid roll?
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I often use ecstasy and drink alcohol and have never had a problem but all people are different so take it easy. I wouldnt recomend xtc / alcohol and ketamine in high doses as i found out :o
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I often use ecstasy and drink alcohol and have never had a problem but all people are different so take it easy. I wouldnt recomend xtc / alcohol and ketamine in high doses as i found out :o
E/MDMA is fine with Ketamine. Alcohol and K = FAIL.
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If they do not happen to notice the few beers you do not drink before the clube...they will CERTAINLY notice you acting a FREAK! and dancing your ass off all night sweating and hugging people while they try to look "cool" once inside the club. lol. for sure.
Eat that fucker either as soon as yall get in line outside the club or (if no line) as soon as you pull up outside the club. You do not want to be rolling your ass off (pupils all big) as you hand your ID to the bouncer, but you also do not want to be inside for 2 hours before you decide to take it.
<Billy Jean Theme>
With good timing, you will walk into the place and feel like you just moon-walked into heaven.
</Billy Jean Theme>
haha thanks for the heads up :D I think I will go about 2 hours late to the party and pretend that I'm already drunk because I usually am ;D Most likely my friends are wasted by the time I get there so they won't notice if I'm drinking the same drink all night long.
And when it's time to go to the club I'll just pop the pill before I'm in. It should go nicely! Tomorrow is the day =)
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Tomorrow is the day =)
Report back after. Please!
PS - what pill you got? Did you miss you addressing that?
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Tomorrow is the day =)
Report back after. Please!
PS - what pill you got? Did you miss you addressing that?
Yes I will definitely report back to you guys :)
I have a few 200mg blue defqon pills which I ordered from a seller here in SR 8)
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This stuff is great! I'm never using alcohol again! :D Here is how the night went..
I arrived at the house party around 9pm. My friends new house was very big so there were alot of people partying. Everyone was already VERY drunk so they didn't notice that I was drinking my first beer. I had a few laughs and some quite interesting discussions with some of my friends because they were so drunk and I wasn't, but basically I was just waiting for the club ;) At 11pm it was time to leave and everyone was going to the local pub because they have been drinking too much. Because of that I decided to call my best friend because I knew he was already in the city and going to a night club. I told him that I'm going to try something "new" so that he doesn't wonder wtf is going on if I start to act like a crazy person :D He replied that he want's to try it too and as you might have guessed I didn't have anything against that. :)So I took a cab from the house party and told the driver to take me to the capital city center!
When I arrived to the club I saw that there was a bit of a line. I guessed it would take about 20min for me to get in so I took a half defqon before I went in the line. This was a very exicing moment for me! After about 15min I got into the club and ordered a glass of water just to be ready for what's to come. As I was drinking my water it suddenly hit me. It felt like a love grenade had exploded in my head and at the same time my self confidence was extremely high. I literally felt like a king!!! I immediately noticed a couple of girls that were standing next to me at the bar. I thought - Damn! those are two of the most beautiful girls I've ever seen! To my amazement I realised I also said those exact words to the ladies haha. I don't remember what else I said but I definitely said alot :D At this point I remembered that my friend is also here somewhere. I took the girls with me and headed to the tables. I saw my friends sitting so I started heading towards them with the two girls I had just met. Although english is not my native tongue I shouted whazzaaaaa!!! Then I hugged my frend and said "Guys, have you ever seen ANYTHING this beautiful?!" and I pointed at the two girls. Their faces started to become red and everyone was laughing :D So we sat down and had some fun with the girls and my friends. At this time I also noticed that my friend had been drinking very much so I wasn't sure if I should give him the ecstasy after all..
It had now been about 2 hours since I took the first half so I decided to take the other half..another 20min went by and "GODDAAMNNNNN!!!!! :DDDD "Let's go to dance everybody!!!" It was the first time I felt like a really good dancer ;D Oh well, at least the girls seemed to have fun dancing with me.Then it was time to leave because the night club was closing. One of the girls invited us to her place for the afterparty so we went. It was about 5am so I took another half of defqon. My friend also took a half although he was very drunk. Just to remind you I had now taken one and a half defqon. This half didn't hit me that hard but definitely felt good. As you might have imagined we had great time with the girls ;) After a few hours people started to get really tired and the girls were asleep. It was now 10am in the following day so me and my friend decided to go to a underground party place in the capital city. So we ordered a cab and off we went!
The underground party was crazy. Everybody was on something and acting crazy :D I decided to take another half of defqon so at this point I had taken two. Another hour went by but there was no rush. I barely felt it. Suddenly a girl walked by and I saw that there was a hole in her head and her brains were showing..wtf?! Then I looked at her again and she was completely normal. At this point I knew I had taken too much..
So I was seeing all kinds of things and it also seemed like I couldn't pee anymore. My legs felt like they were made of concrete - I was barely able to move. I sat down and decided to rest until I'm clear headed. I felt very calm and good but at the same time I knew I was completely out of it :D So I rested about half an hour.. or so I thought. When I finally got up and decided to go home from the underground party it was 2pm!
So basically with two defqons I partyed nicely for 14 whole hours :D When I got home I instantly fell a sleep and slept like a baby for 12 hours. When I woke up I felt really good and quite refreshed actually :D
No hangover, nothing, only fun.. too good to be true. :)
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Welcome to the "club" mate.
Sounds like you did it right, if not maybe a bit too much ;)
Next time (now that you know) You can start with a whole one and then boost once with another half. As you learned anything beyond that will not get you back there, you have milked your brain dry.
You may feel refreshed today (the next day), but you still may feel lethargic and "dumb" a bit tomorrow still. That is normal.
PS - fuck man after parties till 2pm...... I wanna come hang out in your town!
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I immediately noticed a couple of girls that were standing next to me at the bar. I thought - Damn! those are two of the most beautiful girls I've ever seen!
Probably my favorite aspect of this drug, haha. Surprised you had no hangover from all that, but sounds sweet man glad you had such a blast. I would be careful about replacing alcohol with MDMA, aka getting into the habit of using it every week or more. Thats bad news, but otherwise I'm glad you had such a righteous first roll.
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Oh how I love the blue Defqon, I usually take 3/4 of the pill then about an hour later take the rest. Its hit me hard on both occasions, the panicky, anxious come up for about 5 minutes then BOOM blissful euphoria. NOTHING beats coming up on a pill like the defqons. I know the moment that anxiety and panic hits me and then I'm slammed with beautiful euphoria its going to be a fucking good time. :)
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Yes the last half was definitely too much :D But even so I haven't been depressed or anything like that so that's probably good. I think the best thing about ecstasy for me was the huge confidence boost I had. It helps getting girls :D Usually I'm already too drunk when I have the courage to go and talk to the ladies. Of course that sometimes works too because girls are used to that in my country hehe. 8)
As bobsacamano pointed out it's probably not wise to use this stuff very often. Is a one month break enough? I met a guy at the underground party place who said he uses mdma in every two weeks. He wasn't on anything at the time and seemed quite normal (he was the driver for his friends). But maybe two weeks isn't enough wait?
In one month I have a party coming up where I would like to try this stuff again. I would like to try a full one and maybe a half to keep it going. What's the difference in taking a full defqon and a half after compared to taking three halfs of defqon? Can the full one hit me too hard so I will lose my mind? haha :o
It's funny how I see people differently now although this was my first time with E. I used to think anyone who is using something other than alcohol is a drug addict and a junkie. Well maybe they are but then so am I.. ;)
btw one of the girls msg me on facebook and told me that I was the most positive guy she had ever met - wonder why haha.. 8)
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Yes the last half was definitely too much :D But even so I haven't been depressed or anything like that so that's probably good. I think the best thing about ecstasy for me was the huge confidence boost I had. It helps getting girls :D Usually I'm already too drunk when I have the courage to go and talk to the ladies. Of course that sometimes works too because girls are used to that in my country hehe. 8)
Most people experience a nice afterglow their first time. Also, the depression usually takes a day or 2 to manifest. For me it's less of a depression and more of a general annoyance with EVERYTHING and EVERYONE.
However this can be avoided by taking a 5-htp every 8 hours, for the next 3 days after rolling.
Also, as for how often, well 3 weeks to about a month is the time required to reach baseline again. The tolerance is completely worn off. I believe the drug to be mildly nuerotoxic. However I think that using it at most every 2 months is probably equivalent to, or healthier than, taking Adderall(which is basically Dexedrine) every day. I wait a full 6 months between uses, but thats mainly because I use it for a semi-spiritual ritual. However I use 2c-i, 2c-e and other phenethylamines on a regular basis (1-2 times a month).
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It my help you get girls but good luck smashing girls, its pretty much impossible to get a boner without Viagra let alone bust a nutt. Not to even mention the shrinkage it does to you whist you're rollin!
I try to leave it one month plus. I have lots of C/B Vitamins everyday though, along with other vitamins. I also take 100mg of 5htp for 2 days after I take MDMA then 50mg for a further 3 days. I'd recommend you drink a glass of full fat milk everyday too as this contains a lot of tryptophan.
I'm also about to start taking piracetam daily as well, its a nootropic that's said to help maintain the MDMA 'magic' as long as you keep it sensible. As well as being a very good smart drug!
If you take a full defqon in one go, expect it to hit you hard and good. ;) You'll be nice and fucked up!
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Yes the last half was definitely too much :D But even so I haven't been depressed or anything like that so that's probably good. I think the best thing about ecstasy for me was the huge confidence boost I had. It helps getting girls :D Usually I'm already too drunk when I have the courage to go and talk to the ladies. Of course that sometimes works too because girls are used to that in my country hehe. 8)
As bobsacamano pointed out it's probably not wise to use this stuff very often. Is a one month break enough? I met a guy at the underground party place who said he uses mdma in every two weeks. He wasn't on anything at the time and seemed quite normal (he was the driver for his friends). But maybe two weeks isn't enough wait?
In one month I have a party coming up where I would like to try this stuff again. I would like to try a full one and maybe a half to keep it going. What's the difference in taking a full defqon and a half after compared to taking three halfs of defqon? Can the full one hit me too hard so I will lose my mind? haha :o
It's funny how I see people differently now although this was my first time with E. I used to think anyone who is using something other than alcohol is a drug addict and a junkie. Well maybe they are but then so am I.. ;)
btw one of the girls msg me on facebook and told me that I was the most positive guy she had ever met - wonder why haha.. 8)
First of all, people who drink habitually are a type of drug addict, I am one of them. Secondly, what country you from? Don't start thinking that you need ecstasy to get girls man, I guarantee thats not true. All you gotta do is take pussy off a pedestal. Yeah sipping on a couple drinks never hurt with breaking the ice, but dude, you need to build the self-esteem and confidence to get chicks interested because you are cool, because you are smart, funny, whatever the fuck you are I'm sure you something good. That MDMA love is some phony shit.
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It my help you get girls but good luck smashing girls, its pretty much impossible to get a boner without Viagra let alone bust a nutt. Not to even mention the shrinkage it does to you whist you're rollin!
Not to mention that, biggest limp dick drug there is. Even though you wana fuck every female you see. Pretty ironic.
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I have never had a problem having sex (limp dick). I usually dont want to to be honest. But I have huge problem climaxing, but I have. If you can get there, its insane!
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Thanks for the advice guys! Yeah It seems to be quite difficult to get an erection with this stuff hehe.. ;D I live in Finland so it's quite normal here that people get wasted every weekend. Drugs are a different story though so that's why I don't want to advertise to my friends that I'm "using" something. :)
So I should wait one month or longer between rolls. I think this will reduce my alcohol use a little. I suppose I will be sober until my next roll. :)
However, I need to purchase more ecstasy though hehe.. I was wondering if I should try those Ferrari/Shield pills or should I stay with defqons? At least I know defqons are good but I've also read some good reviews about those Ferrari/Shields too.
Let me know what you guys think. =)
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The defqons are some of the best out there. Most people would not argue that.
What you SHOULD do is get yourself a test kit. They are easy to use and this way you know you are what you are eating.
What you want is a "Marquis test". You can find them on SR, but you can also order them off the clear net.
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/2e8c652afd
that is the next step to being responsible about rolling ;)
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I didn't get a test kit yet but I now have some of those Ferrari/Shields - those are big fuckers :D
I think I will be testing one this weekend although this time I will go home and sleep after the club closes haha.. I still remember how crazy the first roll was. 8)
I hope those F/shields are good and all goes well. :)
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Anyone like to have a few lines of Blow mid roll?
Heaven....the "prickly" feeling on the scalp and body gets nicely amplified. Lovin' it...
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Jack! So glad you took the plunge ~~ you can probably already feel this, but your life may be changed in ways that you cannot even anticipate!
As far as the original question, the issue of alcohol with E (and probably just alcohol in general) is a dicey one. It's anxiolytic, and the early stages of the buzz can be nice, but trying to maintain that slightly-less-than-two-drinks feeling is really difficult and often results in excess and mess.
One of the ILF was a pretty heavy drinker, discovered E, and wouldn't touch alcohol while on one for a good while. But when the "loss of magic" started to rear its ugly head, the temptation to compensate with the ethanol-euphoria was hard to avoid. But the next day hangovers were brutal. Shakes and shame a plenty, sometimes for imagined stupidity, sometimes for real idiocy. Realizing this, he's decided that if he's on one, he'd rather deal with, explore, and work out some of the anxiety or negative emotions that can still arise, particularly on the more psychedelic MDA, even in the middle of the roll -- especially since the mind is in a better state to do that work -- rather than drown them in alcohol and make things worse.
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Jack! So glad you took the plunge ~~ you can probably already feel this, but your life may be changed in ways that you cannot even anticipate!
As far as the original question, the issue of alcohol with E (and probably just alcohol in general) is a dicey one. It's anxiolytic, and the early stages of the buzz can be nice, but trying to maintain that slightly-less-than-two-drinks feeling is really difficult and often results in excess and mess.
One of the ILF was a pretty heavy drinker, discovered E, and wouldn't touch alcohol while on one for a good while. But when the "loss of magic" started to rear its ugly head, the temptation to compensate with the ethanol-euphoria was hard to avoid. But the next day hangovers were brutal. Shakes and shame a plenty, sometimes for imagined stupidity, sometimes for real idiocy. Realizing this, he's decided that if he's on one, he'd rather deal with, explore, and work out some of the anxiety or negative emotions that can still arise, particularly on the more psychedelic MDA, even in the middle of the roll -- especially since the mind is in a better state to do that work -- rather than drown them in alcohol and make things worse.
+1
JohhWholesome thinket alc and E dun mix.....just my 0.02 btc
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Railing some MDA mid peak of a MDMA roll is insane. I did it once and all I could say is "Bro you gotta try it I can't explain how good this feels" but then I almost puked from rolling so hard but I was a champ and held it down
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If you drink too much before consuming the MDMA it kinda dulls the ecstasy effect, imo. Also if you do too much x, and you have a full bladder especially from drinking you may find it hard to urinate..... Just the way it goes. Moderation is key :)
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yeah I think I will take a couple of beers (2-3) before I take the pill, like last time. After that I won't be taking any alcohol. It will be a cheap evening but fun 8)
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soooo it's 5am here and the party is about over. Some people still want to go to the underground club to party through the morning but I'm already a bit tired. Somekind of defqon festival soundtrack is playing here and it's all good. I had a very fun evening although people in the club were a bit young for my taste and too drunk. :)
I took the first half of F/shield around 23pm and it was superb. Very smooth and lasted until 1am. Then I took the other half but I felt that I have too much now. Now kick, just basic happy and my legs were like concrete again.
Apparently these F shields are very powerful so for me even a full one seemed to be too much. So maybe a 1/2 and 1/3 next time. :)
happy day to you guys!
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Does anybody out there do the old "therapeutic" re-dose where you take 1/3-1/4 of the original amount right when you first start peaking (about T+60-90 mins)? We call it "therapeutic" because this was supposedly common practice among psychologists conducting MDMA-assisted psychotherapy with their clients. It is supposed to extend the total experience by about an hour and avoids the "oh, shit, coming down, better take more" feeling that can disrupt the consistency of the roll. It's also supposed to be less neurotoxic than just a straight re-dose, and it saves a bit more gear for later. The ILF does think it works, but the only problem is remembering to take more when you actually don't feel like you need anything else in the world to be happy, lol.
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Does anybody out there do the old "therapeutic" re-dose where you take 1/3-1/4 of the original amount right when you first start peaking (about T+60-90 mins)?
My girl and I do EXACTLY that.
We also use it for therapeutic purposes.
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ILF, I always take a 60/70mg re dose an hour into my peak of an original dose of around 160mg. It usually hits me at a perfect time as well as extending the roll for an hour or two. :)
But THIS is very true, lol..
The ILF does think it works, but the only problem is remembering to take more when you actually don't feel like you need anything else in the world to be happy, lol.
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I always redose, but I dunno if it's therapeutic though... haha
Am I the only one who can't drink while using any drugs?? Especially mdma and coke. I feel like I want to puke, plus I just have no desire for alcohol. It dulls all those other things that I want so much more so I just don't get the point of it. I'll be at parties and everyone will constantly offer me drinks and no one ever seems to get why I don't want any. But I'm the water fairy whereever I go. I drink water constantly and give it to people who find that's really what they want.
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I can't really drink booze on mdma. It just makes me feel really nauseous and dehydrated and can even kill the buzz a bit, I like to stick with water while rollin.
But with coke I like to have a couple beers whilst railing lines, it improves the overall buzz for me. :)
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Never without the redose :)
I'm known to set the timer on my phone, which everyone else around me finds "peculiar" :)
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Never without the redose :)
I'm known to set the timer on my phone, which everyone else around me finds "peculiar" :)
Ahh me and my friends do this, too!! .7-.8 bombs every hour after the first. Makes for a nice long roll.
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I find that following the initial dose with 1/2 of the initial dose at T+1:00 is perfect in terms of duration, experience, cost, and comedown. Every time I go beyond that I'm disappointed in one way or another. This is assuming an ~125mg initial dose. If you're dropping full defqons, taking another 'half' is totally cheating (you're forgiven. those blue delights were hard to resist).
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of the initial dose at T+1:00
AFAIK, Shulgin claimed T should not be the time of initial dose, but the time of effect starts.
BTW, it usually takes for me an hour or so to start rolling really hard. By that time I usually get impatient and take some more MDMA :) But my girlfriend (she takes same powder but in much less quantities) starts to roll like in 20 minutes or so. We always roll together, make same spacing and eat at the same time. So there is no difference except body and brain.
What would that mean?
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Can't stand alcohol butting into a perfect roll.
But yeah I always usually dose 150-160mg and a 60mg booster about an hour in. Keeps me rolling for ~4-5 hours solid. Lately I'm feeling like maybe my dose is too low, I feel great on MDMA just not really getting the intense rolls my friends get, and my tolerance definitely isn't that shot, I'm sure.
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I boost MDMA whenever I use.
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I rarely do this with any other drugs. However my mother often boost (at the 2 hour mark) when she takes 2c-i