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Market => Product requests => Topic started by: northsidepk on January 31, 2012, 06:06 pm

Title: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: northsidepk on January 31, 2012, 06:06 pm
I recall LSD Gel Tabs used to be popular.....Surprised I have yet to see them on SR....
Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: moonbear on January 31, 2012, 06:33 pm
Lsd gummy stars never existed. Gummies haven't been popular since I've been here, but maybe at one point they were.
Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: N2DEEP on January 31, 2012, 07:31 pm
I could be off base....but I dont think hes talking about gummy stars. I think when he says "gel tabs" he is talking about LSd laid on gelatine sheet...commonly called "window pane".

I love and miss windowpane.
SR seems to be over priced blotter dominant....with blotter prices as high as they are Id be scared to see what premium they would add to windowpane.

Microdot shows up from time to time but microdot potency has gone down over the years.....but so has blotter.
Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: moonbear on January 31, 2012, 07:58 pm
I could be off base....but I dont think hes talking about gummy stars. I think when he says "gel tabs" he is talking about LSd laid on gelatine sheet...commonly called "window pane".

I love and miss windowpane.
SR seems to be over priced blotter dominant....with blotter prices as high as they are Id be scared to see what premium they would add to windowpane.

Microdot shows up from time to time but microdot potency has gone down over the years.....but so has blotter.
That's sad. I don't understand why. I know lsd is hard to make but as potent as it is you'd think they could make a few kilos to last the world awhile
Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: northsidepk on January 31, 2012, 09:03 pm
I could be off base....but I dont think hes talking about gummy stars. I think when he says "gel tabs" he is talking about LSd laid on gelatine sheet...commonly called "window pane".

I love and miss windowpane.
SR seems to be over priced blotter dominant....with blotter prices as high as they are Id be scared to see what premium they would add to windowpane.

Microdot shows up from time to time but microdot potency has gone down over the years.....but so has blotter.

Your right on N2DEEP....LSD on gelatin sheets is what im talking about...used to be able to get them in all diff. colors.....Good stuff.......surprised I havent seen them on SR
Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: tordemon on February 01, 2012, 12:29 am
Yea, it'd be really sick if we could grab up some windowpane around here. Moreso for the novelty than anything else, but still...
Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: northsidepk on February 01, 2012, 02:38 pm
No dice eh?
Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: telperion on February 01, 2012, 03:32 pm
Black pyramids were gel tabs too.  Had some orange gel 'window pane' at a Roger Waters concert in 06' when he did his Dark Side tour that LIT ME UP!!! Only other gel I have done are the pyramids back n 86'-88'. Would be cool if they made a comeback.

T
Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: spacewasp on February 01, 2012, 06:29 pm
I had a geltab once in 07 and it was one of the strongest hits of LSD i've ever taken
Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: TymerZ on February 02, 2012, 01:07 am
Lsd gummy stars never existed. Gummies haven't been popular since I've been here, but maybe at one point they were.

The OP is talking about gel tabs not candy or anything. Gel tabs are when the acid is mixed with pectin (jello) the resulting mix of jello and lsd is a gel tab.
Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: tordemon on February 02, 2012, 02:19 am
Lsd gummy stars never existed. Gummies haven't been popular since I've been here, but maybe at one point they were.

The OP is talking about gel tabs not candy or anything. Gel tabs are when the acid is mixed with pectin (jello) the resulting mix of jello and lsd is a gel tab.

Yea, more commonly called windowpanes. C'mon, man, at least read through all the posts if you're gonna try to correct one.
Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: musicismyaeroplane on February 02, 2012, 10:55 am
Why is it so expensive and why is so much of it low quality? Is it just really hard to find? You'd think it being so easy to ship would help with the price too...
Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: N2DEEP on February 02, 2012, 11:50 am
well expense is a simple answer. If the market will pay the price will raise. If you cant buy acid locally and are turning to the internet.....there is no reason anyone will give you a sweet deal. I am sure that a large number of the acid sales here happen when someone sees a news report mentioning SR, come on, see that $8+ is common price on silk road.....knowing they can buy from their guy locally for <$400/sheet....they run out, make a buy, and start vending. If someone with a huge supply comes in, why would they charge $1000 for 10 sheets here when they know they can charge $4k and people will pay.

As for quality.....this is tricky. I think in all truth there are 3 answers.
1. LSD dosage per blotter has been radically overstated for decades. Read up on lab test results on LSD. Most blotter is 50-80mcg at testing. This isnt to say that it wasnt laid at higher mcg its possible....the issues of degradation, molecular damage during processing, and/or initial purity could be responsible...but tested dosage is typically low.
2. Market demand. In the 60s we were looking to open the doors of perception, alter our reality and spirituality on a deep level.....it wasnt a drug thing as much as it was a mind thing. Now its a recreational chemical, and frankly most people are not stable enough, most people arent capable enough, most people just want the butterflies of peeking into the abyss....not the base jump into the beyond. The average consumer doesnt need 250mcg to get the experience they are after. So why sell it to them.
3.  Purity. You can have beautiful crystal needles....and still not be pure. There are 4 rotational isomers of lsd....only one is fun....you can have any percentage of each isomer and still get "pure lsd crystals". LSD is a delicate molecule....is the crystal stored under nitrogen or vacuum? in total darkness? No then it starts to degrade. Was your blotter laid with pure ethanol? or was it vodka? everclear? water? Hello Lumi-LSD. Was your blotter paper acid free before you laid your acid? What about the chemical composition of the ink.....tell me you didnt make your own print using an inkjet? Finally, how has the blotter been stored since it was laid? Fully opaque nitropack is the only surefire prevention of degredation.....foodsaver vacuum sealing IS NOT A VACUUM....its a rarefied atmosphere.

This leads me to why I have a special love for windowpane. Window pane suffers minimal degradation from all sources except light. Window pane stored in darkness is nearly immortal. Properly processed the glycerine even prevents lumiform degradation.  The gelan encapsulates and protects the lsd molecules. Save strong or prolonged UV exposure your potency remains.
Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: DeadHead4444 on February 02, 2012, 06:45 pm
well expense is a simple answer. If the market will pay the price will raise. If you cant buy acid locally and are turning to the internet.....there is no reason anyone will give you a sweet deal. I am sure that a large number of the acid sales here happen when someone sees a news report mentioning SR, come on, see that $8+ is common price on silk road.....knowing they can buy from their guy locally for <$400/sheet....they run out, make a buy, and start vending. If someone with a huge supply comes in, why would they charge $1000 for 10 sheets here when they know they can charge $4k and people will pay.

As for quality.....this is tricky. I think in all truth there are 3 answers.
1. LSD dosage per blotter has been radically overstated for decades. Read up on lab test results on LSD. Most blotter is 50-80mcg at testing. This isnt to say that it wasnt laid at higher mcg its possible....the issues of degradation, molecular damage during processing, and/or initial purity could be responsible...but tested dosage is typically low.
2. Market demand. In the 60s we were looking to open the doors of perception, alter our reality and spirituality on a deep level.....it wasnt a drug thing as much as it was a mind thing. Now its a recreational chemical, and frankly most people are not stable enough, most people arent capable enough, most people just want the butterflies of peeking into the abyss....not the base jump into the beyond. The average consumer doesnt need 250mcg to get the experience they are after. So why sell it to them.
3.  Purity. You can have beautiful crystal needles....and still not be pure. There are 4 rotational isomers of lsd....only one is fun....you can have any percentage of each isomer and still get "pure lsd crystals". LSD is a delicate molecule....is the crystal stored under nitrogen or vacuum? in total darkness? No then it starts to degrade. Was your blotter laid with pure ethanol? or was it vodka? everclear? water? Hello Lumi-LSD. Was your blotter paper acid free before you laid your acid? What about the chemical composition of the ink.....tell me you didnt make your own print using an inkjet? Finally, how has the blotter been stored since it was laid? Fully opaque nitropack is the only surefire prevention of degredation.....foodsaver vacuum sealing IS NOT A VACUUM....its a rarefied atmosphere.

This leads me to why I have a special love for windowpane. Window pane suffers minimal degradation from all sources except light. Window pane stored in darkness is nearly immortal. Properly processed the glycerine even prevents lumiform degradation.  The gelan encapsulates and protects the lsd molecules. Save strong or prolonged UV exposure your potency remains.

Agreed on all points made. Do you have any knowledge / articles / links on producing windowpane from liquid?

Here is an image of blotter, microdot, geltabs, & a ruler for comparison: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/show_image.php?i=lsd/lsd2.jpg
Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: Scot Walker on February 02, 2012, 08:00 pm
I have a friend who still has a few 4-way window pane from 1972. Probably no good anymore, but still a cool keepsake. It was from the last time he tripped.
Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: N2DEEP on February 02, 2012, 08:23 pm
nerf,
100 proof vodka is 50% water. Not ideal. Everclear 190 is acceptable @ 95% but the 151 is discouraged. Now in an immediate preparation, going from crystal direct to blotter perhaps the water percentage isnt as critical...and perhaps I should have made that clear....but its quite common for liquid storage to reduce potency due to the formation of lumi-lsd.

Ive no idea what you are talking about when you say "gel exhibits a drift immediately" Please elaborate.

DH4...

As nerf said "you will have to invent it yourself".  There are a number of recipes for glycogelatinum pastilles, lamellae discs etc that are easily found. Experimenting with the basic gelatin/glycerin ratios gives varied results.

 In most medicament applications the water and gelatin are processed first at the lowest temperature necessary to dissolve the gelatin, strained, then the active ingredient mixed with the glycerin is added, then mixed under vacuum, poured onto glass and allowed to dry.

Clear windowpane is sometimes simple store bought "sheet gelatin" sprayed and allowed to dry....this doesnt have the encapsulation benefits a prepared gel base would.

Hope this helps.



Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: Husum on February 03, 2012, 07:20 am
Would denatured alcohol work? More pure than Everclear and way cheaper. Oh sure it contains methanol, but that evaporates.

The reason LSD is not sold in gel tabs or window panes is because the penalities for selling lsd are based on the weight of the drug total, not just how much active ingredient. Plus mixing up acid with alcohol and pouring it on paper requires much less skill and time than making gel tabs. Blotter is also way less tedious and easier to conceal than windowpanes and does not involve the use of highly watched machines like pills.
Title: Re: LSD Gel Tabs
Post by: northsidepk on February 09, 2012, 04:29 pm
well expense is a simple answer. If the market will pay the price will raise. If you cant buy acid locally and are turning to the internet.....there is no reason anyone will give you a sweet deal. I am sure that a large number of the acid sales here happen when someone sees a news report mentioning SR, come on, see that $8+ is common price on silk road.....knowing they can buy from their guy locally for <$400/sheet....they run out, make a buy, and start vending. If someone with a huge supply comes in, why would they charge $1000 for 10 sheets here when they know they can charge $4k and people will pay.

As for quality.....this is tricky. I think in all truth there are 3 answers.
1. LSD dosage per blotter has been radically overstated for decades. Read up on lab test results on LSD. Most blotter is 50-80mcg at testing. This isnt to say that it wasnt laid at higher mcg its possible....the issues of degradation, molecular damage during processing, and/or initial purity could be responsible...but tested dosage is typically low.
2. Market demand. In the 60s we were looking to open the doors of perception, alter our reality and spirituality on a deep level.....it wasnt a drug thing as much as it was a mind thing. Now its a recreational chemical, and frankly most people are not stable enough, most people arent capable enough, most people just want the butterflies of peeking into the abyss....not the base jump into the beyond. The average consumer doesnt need 250mcg to get the experience they are after. So why sell it to them.
3.  Purity. You can have beautiful crystal needles....and still not be pure. There are 4 rotational isomers of lsd....only one is fun....you can have any percentage of each isomer and still get "pure lsd crystals". LSD is a delicate molecule....is the crystal stored under nitrogen or vacuum? in total darkness? No then it starts to degrade. Was your blotter laid with pure ethanol? or was it vodka? everclear? water? Hello Lumi-LSD. Was your blotter paper acid free before you laid your acid? What about the chemical composition of the ink.....tell me you didnt make your own print using an inkjet? Finally, how has the blotter been stored since it was laid? Fully opaque nitropack is the only surefire prevention of degredation.....foodsaver vacuum sealing IS NOT A VACUUM....its a rarefied atmosphere.

This leads me to why I have a special love for windowpane. Window pane suffers minimal degradation from all sources except light. Window pane stored in darkness is nearly immortal. Properly processed the glycerine even prevents lumiform degradation.  The gelan encapsulates and protects the lsd molecules. Save strong or prolonged UV exposure your potency remains.

Agreed on all points made. Do you have any knowledge / articles / links on producing windowpane from liquid?

Here is an image of blotter, microdot, geltabs, & a ruler for comparison: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/show_image.php?i=lsd/lsd2.jpg

I saw geltab lsd made with colored gelatin placed on the cover for a flouresent light to create the shape, they just dropped liquid LSD on to the setting gelatin