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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: bealzebobs on October 13, 2012, 07:24 am

Title: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: bealzebobs on October 13, 2012, 07:24 am
I was just wondering if anyone knows if the onion browser on iPhone makes for safe use of the Silk Road???
Title: Re: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: Errl_Kushman on October 13, 2012, 03:23 pm
I was just wondering if anyone knows if the onion browser on iPhone makes for safe use of the Silk Road???

 Not 100%. Especially not if you want to hide your tor usage. Downloading the app itself leaves a trail linked to your account/phone.

Its also vunerable in a few other specific instances. checkout *clearnet* onionbrowser.com
Title: Re: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: username5055 on October 13, 2012, 04:17 pm
If I use a VPN tunnel (Privateinternetaccess) on my iphone in conjunction with Onion Browser, is that safe? The phone wouldnt be jailbroken, just standard iOS.
Title: Re: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: Errl_Kushman on October 13, 2012, 05:56 pm
If I use a VPN tunnel (Privateinternetaccess) on my iphone in conjunction with Onion Browser, is that safe? The phone wouldnt be jailbroken, just standard iOS.

I guess you need to define safe. Safe as in, nobody will ever be able to tell you browsed tor and had onion browser installed? no. Unless you build and install that yourself, or  use another non appstore method to install, you will leave a digital trail showing that yuo downloaded it.

From there, actually using the browser to browse secure -- as long as you're just casually browsing , you should be fine. The moment you start doing anything that relates to sensitive info, you should not use your iOS based OnionBrowser. Many reasons , but  the fact that its a location sensitive device in itself makes it less than ideal for anything more than casually browsing.
Title: Re: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: jay92 on October 13, 2012, 08:10 pm
How do you even browse SR on an iphone?
Title: Re: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: DaveDoe on October 13, 2012, 09:34 pm
If I use a VPN tunnel (Privateinternetaccess) on my iphone in conjunction with Onion Browser, is that safe? The phone wouldnt be jailbroken, just standard iOS.

MS-CHAPV2 (the only VPN protocol for iOS that PIA offers) has been proven crackable for a while now and the tor apps for iOS are not made or sponsored by the tor project (as far as I've seen). This being said simply browsing should be fine but any info you submit (usernames, passwords, emails) could, with enough effort, be intercepted.
Title: Re: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: Errl_Kushman on October 14, 2012, 01:32 am
How do you even browse SR on an iphone?

checkout "onionbrowser" in the appstore.
Title: Re: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: comatose on October 14, 2012, 02:15 am
I certainly wouldn't consider it safe. IIRC there was a log kept in the older phones (possibly still there?) of all the iphone's keystrokes. I attempted to find a relevant source for this, but couldn't so take it with a grain of salt. Either way, stick to browsing at home where there are less likely to be prying eyes around.

Be safe.
Title: Re: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: DaveDoe on October 14, 2012, 07:17 am
Or you could just say "fuck it" and add .to to the end of a hidden service in safari ::)
Title: Re: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: beaner on October 14, 2012, 07:36 am
PARANOIA, is a good thing, I have just deleted onion browser from my iphone they are way too easy to track, I don't trust how Technological advanced they are. Or even communicating via FB. Get a crap phone under a fake name.


Use a USB stick to run onion of your pc.

Better to be safe then incarcerated.
Title: Re: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: zapatista36 on October 14, 2012, 12:33 pm
As far as I can see, and agreeing with majority of previous posters, running Tor app on an iphone or android OS won't identify which websites you're on, just that your using Tor.  And depending on connection/location you may find that Tor's bootstrapping process gets stuck at 80+%.  Dunno if this is a conscious effort by mobile internet providers to try and prevent people from accessing Tor-only sites, or just variations depending on signal, however a majority of smartphones also use GPS, unless you have this feature turned off when accessing Tor/SR/Forum, so your location can likely be easily tracked via satellite if this was intended.  But now its all getting a bit tinfoil hat time - sure we all need to have a degree of paranoia when dealing with SR, but it's unlikely anyone's gonna be interested in trying to track your browsing history on your mobile phone, and as this is sensitive, personal data, it is protected under data protection legislation whichever country you live in.  You will likely have some antivirus software on your phone - make sure you are opted out of even the anonymous statistical collation of attacks/sites etc, particularly as some antivirus throws up Tor as a suspicious object - because it is used by "criminals" or some such shit - but I would say browse only.  For anyone who's monitoring internet use, using Tor is only indicative of privacy in the first instance.  Keep your orders to PCs where you can use PGP encryption for addresses etc.
Title: Re: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: Aidoneus on October 15, 2012, 09:28 pm
Technical aspects and 'safety' aside - Silk Road does not work on either Tor Browser available for the iPhone (Covert Browser, Onion Browser). So... moot point.
.Hades.
Title: Re: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: FoxyTorGirl on October 18, 2012, 12:42 am
Technical aspects and 'safety' aside - Silk Road does not work on either Tor Browser available for the iPhone (Covert Browser, Onion Browser). So... moot point.
.Hades.

Works fine on Androids 8)
Title: Re: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: Aidoneus on October 18, 2012, 04:09 am
Interesting... I can't seem to login. Both my iPhone and iPad will get to SR's login page... neither will go any farther. At least for me.
.Hades.

P.S. Not to mention my password are rediculous to type out on the iPhone. 63 character ASCII passwords are... hard. lol
Title: Re: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: username5055 on October 18, 2012, 11:45 pm
Or you could just say "fuck it" and add .to to the end of a hidden service in safari ::)

 I lol'ed :P Thank you

Technical aspects and 'safety' aside - Silk Road does not work on either Tor Browser available for the iPhone (Covert Browser, Onion Browser). So... moot point.
.Hades.

I tried once (just once) and I got in fine using onion browser, the covert browser didnt work for shit but the onion one worked fine.

Interesting... I can't seem to login. Both my iPhone and iPad will get to SR's login page... neither will go any farther. At least for me.
.Hades.

P.S. Not to mention my password are rediculous to type out on the iPhone. 63 character ASCII passwords are... hard. lol

Holy shit I just read that, 63 characters? Jesus christ man. I thought my 24 digit one was good..... Granted thats the password for a storage program on a truecrypt encrypted CD with another 22 digit pass but still, I need to up security :P

If I use a VPN tunnel (Privateinternetaccess) on my iphone in conjunction with Onion Browser, is that safe? The phone wouldnt be jailbroken, just standard iOS.

I guess you need to define safe. Safe as in, nobody will ever be able to tell you browsed tor and had onion browser installed? no. Unless you build and install that yourself, or  use another non appstore method to install, you will leave a digital trail showing that yuo downloaded it.

From there, actually using the browser to browse secure -- as long as you're just casually browsing , you should be fine. The moment you start doing anything that relates to sensitive info, you should not use your iOS based OnionBrowser. Many reasons , but  the fact that its a location sensitive device in itself makes it less than ideal for anything more than casually browsing.

I don't actually support SR on the iPhone (other than once to test) but this reaffirms it, the VPN question was just pure curiosity :P
Title: Re: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: Aidoneus on October 19, 2012, 01:01 am
LOL yes. 63 ASCII characters. All my passwords are like that. To be honest, it's overkill... but I like security :D
.Hades.

P.S. Check this site out: https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm
Every time you reload the page it gives you three 63 character passwords with maximum entropy. One Hexidecimal, one ASCII, and one alpha-numeric. Love that site.
Title: Re: Is it safe to browse silk rd on an iPhone
Post by: username5055 on October 19, 2012, 01:13 am
LOL yes. 63 ASCII characters. All my passwords are like that. To be honest, it's overkill... but I like security :D
.Hades.

P.S. Check this site out: https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm
Every time you reload the page it gives you three 63 character passwords with maximum entropy. One Hexidecimal, one ASCII, and one alpha-numeric. Love that site.

As soon as Im at a public computer I will, I have a paranoia about generating passwords online and being tracked :P