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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: Mixer on November 04, 2011, 06:52 pm
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Hi.
I want to start exploring psychedelic drugs - but I'm not sure what to take first. LSD is too strong for a first timer, so what do you think it's best to do? Shrooms? Mescaline? 2C-NBOMe? Please somebody experienced give me some advice :)
Thanks.
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2C-B and 2C-I are very forgiving and friendly psychedelics even at higher doses, for a first timer I'd recommend 30mg of 2C-B. You'll trip balls, but still keep your head. 1mg of 25c-nBOME would be very good too.
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I say a half-eighth of shrooms.
1.75-2.25 gram range. Not overwhelming, but a PERFECT intro to psychs. Go outside, love nature.
the 2C- family is nice, but for me they cause a lot of stimulation/body load. Start with the classics, boyo
Second choice.. 25I-NBOMe or 25C-NBOMe.
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Before RC's and before the 2C family were well known, there was LSD and mushrooms which were the customary intro to psychedelics.
Don't be afraid to start there. Just start small and work your way to a place where you are comfortable. Like what crib said
But if you are not comfortable with those, I think the mildest out there would be 2c-c. 40 mg is really light on the body, very relaxing actually, and only mildly visually stimulating.
Happy tripping.
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Not to toot my own horn, but I have shrooms that are pretty much what I would give to first timers. Its a very pleasant mellow high on two -three grams dried.
I would recommend shrooms in general though. I love me my psychedelics. :)
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I'd suggest mushrooms because they're both euphoric and visual but do start small and work your way up. A large dose of shrooms can make you lose your mind... literally :o
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Before RC's and before the 2C family were well known, there was LSD and mushrooms which were the customary intro to psychedelics.
Don't be afraid to start there. Just start small and work your way to a place where you are comfortable.
I agree with towelie there. My first time was a microdot and I was a bit wary so I only took half. Back in the day microdots didn't have a lot of LSD on them anyway. But it was a good place to start. I laughed a lot and had some minor visual stimulation. After that I was full in. I'd do as much as I could afford, which wasn't much :)
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Its the 2nd time at SR I've come across this assumption that LSD wont be good for a first timer.... Whats the deal???? Who/where is the source of this whacky info? 100-150ug LSD trip, I I honestly think is fantastic for a first timer. Also, 25c-Nbome 600-800ug will be super-fine.. wavy visuals with no mind games or body loads.
Regardless which one you take for a first timer, more important than the actual substance, will be getting the dose right. For that reason I would recommend something in TAB form, and do your research about threshold amounts. Go just above threshold.
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Before RC's and before the 2C family were well known, there was LSD and mushrooms which were the customary intro to psychedelics.
Don't be afraid to start there. Just start small and work your way to a place where you are comfortable. Like what crib said
But if you are not comfortable with those, I think the mildest out there would be 2c-c. 40 mg is really light on the body, very relaxing actually, and only mildly visually stimulating.
Happy tripping.
I purchased 50mg of 2C-C and 30mg of 2C-I. Like Mixer, I have never tried hallucinogens before. Would I still get effects if I took only half of them?
Has anyone tried anything in the 2C series via a suppository? :P Good? Bad?
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I haven't tried the I but it looks like a common dose of that is between 10-20mg.
As far as the C goes 25mg will be a super light effect.
Maybe you could take 15 of the I and 25 of the C. That might be a good time :D
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I agree with LexusMiles that the dose is actually more important than the substance you start with. Do not underestimate the power of psychedelics. Start with low doses and then work your way up because you never know what your personal sensitivity to a chemical will be. Clean LSD could provide an amazing but not overwhelming experience at a low dose. I appreciate LSD because of how non-toxic the dosages are.
I started with 1.75 g of shrooms, which is a fairly decent place to tread into the water... the benefit of psilocin is that it does not last as long as some of the other experiences. However, it is also slightly more difficult to dose exactly, as the potency and quality of effects vary between strains. After experiencing other psychedelics however, I no longer enjoy shrooms as much.
I would actually recommend that you start with mescaline if you are prepared for a long experience. At a low dose (approx 175 mg) the experience is mildly psychedelic (so easy to handle) and provides energy and euphoria somewhat comparable to MDMA without the neurotoxicity. Mescaline is the classical, natural psychedelic that all the phenethylamine RCs are based on, so I would recommend it before trying them. It can be more difficult to find however if you are not willing to do an extraction from the legal cacti. Extractions really are not that difficult if you research the process and it can be extremely rewarding to trip on something youve pulled if you have the capability. You would need access to a good scale to measure the dose.
Start with a classic!!! The longer the history of safe human use and the more research done is for the better! LSD and Psilocin have been used in human patients in very recent medical settings, so you can be sure that their general safety is not in question. This can help relieve some of the anxiety that can be caused by psychedelics. Some of the research chems can be deadly if misused or dosed improperly so they should not be used by inexperienced individuals!!!
Branflakes, at 18 mg I did not find 2C-I to be very intense. It was fairly enjoyable and mildly psychedelic, so 15 mg may be a decent place to start. You could take 25 mg of 2c-c but it would be a relatively disappointing experience most likely.
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Start with a classic!!! The longer the history of safe human use and the more research done is for the better! LSD and Psilocin have been used in human patients in very recent medical settings, so you can be sure that their general safety is not in question. This can help relieve some of the anxiety that can be caused by psychedelics.
Damn.. good post.. I'll just bounce from this part ^
Reminds me of the last rationalization loop I experienced. After dosing a bit over my weight on an RC, I had to fall back on some rationalizations to stay on the enjoyable zone. Rationalization (i) was, "I just have to hold out for 2 more hours... watch the clock.. only 1 hour + 59 minutes to go".. and rationalization (ii) was, "In all human history no person has ever died from... oh crap.. this stuff is relatively new.. I'm on my own now", so that loop didn't work. For this reason its good to be classic such as LSD or some other well known, as microRNA said... its the best anxiety buster. Just fall back on history, and the many dozens or hundreds of erowid reports etc that you might have read.
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Its the 2nd time at SR I've come across this assumption that LSD wont be good for a first timer.... Whats the deal? ??? Who/where is the source of this whacky info? 100-150ug LSD trip, I I honestly think is fantastic for a first timer. Also, 25c-Nbome 600-800ug will be super-fine.. wavy visuals with no mind games or body loads.
Regardless which one you take for a first timer, more important than the actual substance, will be getting the dose right. For that reason I would recommend something in TAB form, and do your research about threshold amounts. Go just above threshold.
+1.
I remember my first LSD trip a few years ago. I'm not young anymore (though not old :)), have had my experience with other drugs, yet I was a bit concerned with LSD. You know all those stories one reads.
But it's very important to be prepared, and I did so.
I had purchased three blotters. I took one and headed to a local park. It was a beautiful hot summer day and when the effects kicked in I was walking along a pathway in a little forest, with many trees and birds chirping and squirrels running around. I'll never forget that wonderful moment.
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My 2 cents?
Take LSD.
You have more than 40 years of documented evidence of it's effects.
The blotters are measured so that one is enough for a first timer.
It's also the best psych I've taken.
Setting is important for all psychs but I've found LSD to be very forgiving.
Don't think it hasn't taken hold and take a second.
Let me repeat. It takes a long time to kick in. Do not take a second if you think it's not working.
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Thanks to everyone for the advices :)
I'm probably going to take 2g of mushrooms next weekend. If I enjoy that, I'll try a low dose of LSD :)
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My first drug was LSD.
I gave the guy $20 for a gram of weed, and he showed up three days later with four tabs of L.
They were 200ug rockets, 100ug on each side of the paper.
I was pretty pissed, because I just wanted to try weed, but I popped one of those tabs, and had the time of my life.
Fear is the mindkiller... relax and enjoy the feelings, don't fight it. People fear going insane or dying, but L will not kill you, and you'd have to take quite a bit, or already be partially insane to lose your mind.
I'd probably drop acid, then sit down and watch some funny movies.
I watched the stupid show ridiculousness a couple nights ago, and it actually made me laugh like mad, for once.
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I changed idea :D
I'll do LSD. After reading some more on the web I found a low dose of LSD is better for a beginner.
Also, I'm broke atm and LSD is cheaper than shrooms :D
streetpharmacy's blotters are cheap so I'm thinking to buy some of them, but i don't know if I should:
- Buy 2 Flying keys (pretty weak), take one and if I want another one after 1 - 2 hours
- Buy 1 Hoffman, take half and if I want another half after 1 - 2 hours
- Buy 1 Hoffman and take it
I will be the only person tripping but I have a friend or two that will stay with me.
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Don't buy the flying keys, they're very unevenly dosed.
Take 1 Hofmann. I bought some from SP a couple weeks ago and 1 tab is a good dose for a first time tripper.
Don't take half in my opinion because you might just not really feel it.
From my experience, they were less potent than advertized (let's say around 70-100 mics) but SP is a top shelf vendor and his communication and service are just perfect.
And I think that starting with LSD is better than trying shrooms. Looking back at my trips, LSD seems to be more euphoric and less mindfucking then shrooms, with better visuals also (again IMO).
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My first drug was LSD.
I gave the guy $20 for a gram of weed, and he showed up three days later with four tabs of L.
They were 200ug rockets, 100ug on each side of the paper.
I was pretty pissed, because I just wanted to try weed, but I popped one of those tabs, and had the time of my life.
Fear is the mindkiller... relax and enjoy the feelings, don't fight it. People fear going insane or dying, but L will not kill you, and you'd have to take quite a bit, or already be partially insane to lose your mind.
I'd probably drop acid, then sit down and watch some funny movies.
I watched the stupid show ridiculousness a couple nights ago, and it actually made me laugh like mad, for once.
You got a total of 800ug's of lucy for $20?
I want your dealer on SR! Haha.
Mixer: I would take LSD or Shrooms as a first (LSD first as it seems easier to control. Personally, I've seen more bad trip reports from Shrooms as opposed to LSD, although that's just by what I've seen with no real backing). Get in a nice setting and have a friend that isn't using them watch over you in case you have a bad trip. Personally, I'm going to purchase bloomingcolor's 180ug Avatars as soon as my coins clear. :)
Have a fun trip!
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Standard street price in the early 90's was $5 a hit. So yeaah, it kinda hurts my ass to pay $15-$20 around here. Really, I'm just happy to have the sacrament available. When you consider other drugs, 15-20 for an entire night of fun isn't that bad.
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I'd like to agree with some others that 2CB is probably a pretty safe first-time psychedelic if you take a moderate dose. Wish it had been my first psych, honestly.