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Title: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: homersimpson on June 11, 2012, 01:37 am
Doesn't matter if your reasons are for how addictive it is, how dangerous it is or how readily available etc it is just would like to know.

I'd personally say Krokodil after reading about it being up to 10 times stronger than heroin and containing nasty shit that will rot you.
Jenkem sounds like the most vile 'shit' i've ever heard in my life if it isn't just a hoax..
Datura sounds pretty fucking scary as well along with other solanaceae's.
Meth is pretty hard shit in my eyes (I guess crack as well) but both of these I would possibly try in a controlled manner if I knew I was doing it with all the precautions. 
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: blackend646 on June 11, 2012, 02:04 am
In terms of simply being terribly dangerous I don't see it getting any worse than krokodil, I can't imagine what would prompt anybody to even want to try such a thing. I'm pretty sure Jenkem is a hoax, I don't really see how human feces can be a psychoactive.

I'm kind of intrigued by Datura, I find the idea of movie-like clear as day hallucinations to be terribly interesting. I wonder if taking it with MDMA would combat the frightening aspect of it
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: sdesu on June 11, 2012, 04:28 am
I'd have to agree that Krokodil is probably by far the worst.
Especially after I read this article:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/krokodil-the-drug-that-eats-junkies-2300787.html
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: happyroller1234 on June 11, 2012, 05:56 am
Krokodil is terrifying.  I also read that article.  I watched a documentary by Vice on scopolamine, or datura, and that is some frightening stuff.  I had no idea of the mind-control part of the drug.  Strippers or hookers in some country (can't remember which, where the datura trees grow naturally) "swipe" the drug under their clients noses, and sometimes beat them up and steal their wallets.  Or they just force them to go to their bank, empty out their account.  One guy got taken home by some prostitutes and emptied his entire house out for them, gave them everything.  The next day, he woke up and didn't know anything until his doorman told him.
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: GlocksInMySocks on June 11, 2012, 06:01 am
Krokodil is terrifying.  I also read that article.  I watched a documentary by Vice on scopolamine, or datura, and that is some frightening stuff.  I had no idea of the mind-control part of the drug.  Strippers or hookers in some country (can't remember which, where the datura trees grow naturally) "swipe" the drug under their clients noses, and sometimes beat them up and steal their wallets.  Or they just force them to go to their bank, empty out their account.  One guy got taken home by some prostitutes and emptied his entire house out for them, gave them everything.  The next day, he woke up and didn't know anything until his doorman told him.


I'm going to go in a different direction. Yes the above Drugs are dangerous but they are also not as readily available as things such as prescription drugs and Alcohol these 2 things are very readily available and not only dangerous but destroy lives.
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: sdesu on June 11, 2012, 07:31 am
Krokodil is terrifying.  I also read that article.  I watched a documentary by Vice on scopolamine, or datura, and that is some frightening stuff.  I had no idea of the mind-control part of the drug.  Strippers or hookers in some country (can't remember which, where the datura trees grow naturally) "swipe" the drug under their clients noses, and sometimes beat them up and steal their wallets.  Or they just force them to go to their bank, empty out their account.  One guy got taken home by some prostitutes and emptied his entire house out for them, gave them everything.  The next day, he woke up and didn't know anything until his doorman told him.


I'm going to go in a different direction. Yes the above Drugs are dangerous but they are also not as readily available as things such as prescription drugs and Alcohol these 2 things are very readily available and not only dangerous but destroy lives.

Excellent point. We often get so caught up with discussing the extreme drugs that we forget about the ones sitting in 80%* of everyone's refrigerator/cabinets.

*a statistic I made up based on no factual evidence.

sdesu
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: Kappacino on June 11, 2012, 08:43 am
Charlie Sheen.

By FAR the most dangerous drug I've ever taken.

But seriously I have to +1 you for the alcohol + prescription drugs.. I've seen some fucked up shit in my time, and done worse, and had fucking horrible trips and terrible horrors, but there's nothing worse than waking up after a night of vodka + benzos, covered in mayo and chicken, with one shoe, no shirt, with grazes on your genitalia, with no memory of what the fuck happened and no way of piecing it together.

Still to this day I have no fucking clue what happened.

Alcohol + benzos you could have entire fucking MARRIAGES on that shit and suddenly wake up one day and not remember any of it.
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: Kappacino on June 11, 2012, 09:25 am
Lmao that's fucking classic!

It's scary though how you can all of a sudden be on a night out, and then your memory totally disappears and you wake up in the morning.

Even at my most drunk, I can always seem to piece things back together.. half formed images here, vague memories there..

But alcohol + benzos is just total BLANK. And the scariest thing is that during that time, you can be fully fucking active. What is it that lives you at that point? If you can't remember it at ALL... yet you know you lived it.. it's fucking scary
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: profspudhed on June 11, 2012, 09:41 am
krokodil is only dangerous because its made by idiots, the active compound desomorphine is just another opiate, fentanyl is hundreds if not thousands of times more potent than heroin but it doesnt rot your body because its a clean substance, its the impurities left in it by the amateurs who make it that cause the horrible effects that have been seen. its what happens when idiots who dont know what theyre doing try and make drugs. moral of the story if youre not a chemist and arent willing to learn to be one, then for the love of god dont try and make drugs

so my vote goes to datura and similar awful deleriants
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: GlocksInMySocks on June 11, 2012, 03:52 pm
I had a friend of mine take a Benzo for the first time at  a bar one night. While he was drinking he woke up the next day in a strangers living room on the couch naked, Was arrested and charged with multiple felonies because the home owners teenage daughter found him naked on the couch. 

about 6 years ago I was in a bar with friends drinking beer and had taken about 5 xanax bars, I slipped on the bar cracked my head open (really bad) because it was only 10:30 at night my friends wouldn't take me to the hospital, So knocked out and unconscious they dragged me out to the car and left me in there until the bar closed around 2:00AM I woke up with a stream of dried blood running down my face.
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: Ballzinator on June 11, 2012, 04:25 pm
I had a friend of mine take a Benzo for the first time at  a bar one night. While he was drinking he woke up the next day in a strangers living room on the couch naked, Was arrested and charged with multiple felonies because the home owners teenage daughter found him naked on the couch. 

about 6 years ago I was in a bar with friends drinking beer and had taken about 5 xanax bars, I slipped on the bar cracked my head open (really bad) because it was only 10:30 at night my friends wouldn't take me to the hospital, So knocked out and unconscious they dragged me out to the car and left me in there until the bar closed around 2:00AM I woke up with a stream of dried blood running down my face.
Damn I hope you kicked your friends in the nuts for that :D
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: Kappacino on June 11, 2012, 04:29 pm
I had a friend of mine take a Benzo for the first time at  a bar one night. While he was drinking he woke up the next day in a strangers living room on the couch naked, Was arrested and charged with multiple felonies because the home owners teenage daughter found him naked on the couch. 

about 6 years ago I was in a bar with friends drinking beer and had taken about 5 xanax bars, I slipped on the bar cracked my head open (really bad) because it was only 10:30 at night my friends wouldn't take me to the hospital, So knocked out and unconscious they dragged me out to the car and left me in there until the bar closed around 2:00AM I woke up with a stream of dried blood running down my face.
Damn I hope you kicked your friends in the nuts for that :D

Kick him in the nuts? I'd get my wife to suck him off, that's classic!
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: forgot my password on June 11, 2012, 04:38 pm
I had a friend of mine take a Benzo for the first time at  a bar one night. While he was drinking he woke up the next day in a strangers living room on the couch naked, Was arrested and charged with multiple felonies because the home owners teenage daughter found him naked on the couch. 


I've been hearing this same story since I was 16 (I'm in my late 30's now) and I always thought it was just a myth, but recently I was watching one of them dumbest criminals shows and sure enough they had a guy on there butt naked on some guys couch being woken up by the home owner. Here's the link http://www.trutv.com/video/most-shocking/burglar-in-the-buff.html

EDIT: I forgot to write what I was going to originally post, damn xanax.

I'd have to say that krokodil shit is pretty bad but then again it's more of being a retard and not knowing chemistry, then the drug.
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: gtgeorgz on June 11, 2012, 05:42 pm
I'd say Scopolamine, just because of the way it can be used. Scary shit.
For those that don't know: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ8PWYnu04
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: profspudhed on June 12, 2012, 02:07 pm
I had a friend of mine take a Benzo for the first time at  a bar one night. While he was drinking he woke up the next day in a strangers living room on the couch naked, Was arrested and charged with multiple felonies because the home owners teenage daughter found him naked on the couch. 

about 6 years ago I was in a bar with friends drinking beer and had taken about 5 xanax bars, I slipped on the bar cracked my head open (really bad) because it was only 10:30 at night my friends wouldn't take me to the hospital, So knocked out and unconscious they dragged me out to the car and left me in there until the bar closed around 2:00AM I woke up with a stream of dried blood running down my face.

ive been there took way too many benzos mixed with beer once long ago, i lost somewhere between 7-9 days, i still dont fully know what happened during that time now
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: ARTICHOKE on July 30, 2012, 03:11 pm
@forgot my password:
Right, because with red phosphorus you could
end up "krokodiled" with a bad Meth recipe as well.
Meth is the worst drug I've done in my whole life,
but I have to say I already decided to take it only
once before doing so(to QotSA's "First It Giveth,
Then Taketh Away", followed by a good bong hit).
I thought my heart explodes(even before the bong),
I ran miles and miles on a really hot summer day
smoking a lot of weed(about 5 times my normal rate back
then, which was about 3 times more than now) in the bong
to nearly no effect, other than that it reduced the side effects.
I've even managed to get some sleep just to awaken like I had
3 coffee cans in my blood stream, but I wasn't that cranked
and overloaded anymore and felt relatively fine.

On the other hand, all other life-threatening situations have
been mostly due to Ethanol, including a blackout experience
I really will enjoy when returning to the infinite information
potential. I woke up with a "TOOL" stamp one day before
a "TOOL" gig in Prague(maybe I've even met my musical
idols and don't know about it anymore...:-[).

Had a lot of dark beer and warm Absinthe before the blackout,
with which I painted the wall of the hostel where my friends
and I have slept. We even didn't have to pay for the painting
of the wall, but maybe they just told the new customers "that
is a Jackson Pollock" or something to that effect.

Another Ethanol excess ended in a Tetanus infection,
due to myself falling on a wine bottle, cutting up
my hand, getting a lot of dirt into it when later
I went to a Hardcore gig where I've moshed
the shit out of the crowd, even 3 people
trying to hold me back had no luck,
the only time I've ever got aggressive 
by myself on Ethanol, but maybe it
was the Tetanus, the 2C-C or the
5-MeO-DiPT.  A rolling beer bottle knocked
me down in the end and I got the dirt
of the concert floor into my fresh wound.
Had a red stripe growing all along my arm
upto my armpit the next day, but I went to
hospital halfway and they've told me I'd be dead
if it had reached the armpit. Got 3 gram
antibiotics i.v. and then orally when I
couldn't stand the side effects anymore.

Maybe I've been poisoned with Scopolamine
or it was really just hypnosis, but when I
had my last job application before the
job I've got now, I went to a "school"
(to apply as an assistant) that offers
negotiation trainings, NLP and energetic
counseling etc.
They also have ties to diplomatic
academies and secret services,
as one of their most prominent trainers
has been working for counter-terrorism,
the Israeli prime minister as a negotiator
with Palestine etc. and he even developed
a negotiation system of his own.
 
I had mentioned meditation, shamanism
and graphic design among my hobbies
and I've sent them an alchemical picture
as an example, which I've created for a
friend who had his birthday on the same
day(and held a psychedelic club party in
the student home I was living back then)
I found the love of my life over the net.

All I remember from the interview
was that they've told me that I
"didn't pass the test", that I've
"lost" 15 minutes(this I've realized
myself) and that they have more or
less guaranteed that I will get the job
I now have in a big cultural institution
that is surrounded by the great lodges
of liberal, low and high level Freemasonry.

I think the already mentioned
"Devil's Breath" is what the
"Pow Pow" video by LCD
Soundsystem is about, besides
corruption, prostitution and
Freemasonry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYCV2zybQoI

But as I've just watched Jesse Ventura's
"Conspiracy Theory" about hypnosis,
MKULTRA and Manchurian canditates,
maybe it was really only hypnosis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzh9D4g0pG4

If Scopolamine really works the way it
has been depicted in the interview,
than that's THE TOOL we need
to reboot the system.
Get some Anon!

Then there was my only real HORROR trip,
due to a very strong passion flower tea that
even gave the 3 of us strong effects for the
first time from the tea alone followed by
a massive dose of cacti concentrate that
had been cooked for over 12 hours.
3 days of screaming faces for me
and I didn't touch Mescaline since
2003. But I look forward to finishing
my diploma and then enjoying gammagoblin's
synthetic Mescaline, something I've been looking
for over a decade(and a half, if you count from
seeing "Clockwork Orange" for the first time).

But from a purely physiological perspective
I think sniffing glue would be the worst.
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: ARTICHOKE on July 30, 2012, 03:55 pm
The country the VICE documentary was shot in is "Colombia"
once referred in an interview by the anagram "Locombia",
as "loco" means crazy, but "LOCO"(or "LOKO") is also a
LWA(or LOA) in Candomble/Santería/Voodoo etc. responsible
for plant wisdom and I think that what also the Coal Chamber
song is about(at least from what I can tell from the lyrics):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-sYWaOrLdI

Here are some of his Vévés:
http://www.vodoun.com/loko_v.htm
http://www.sosyetedumarche.com/html/loko.html
http://www.hougansydney.com/resources/loko%20veve.jpg?timestamp=1340263024351
http://api.ning.com/files/BdJUUXEIdEbTOWvsn6TFwesewzg2lZiLcjSGadzjP85VqZOBbTEu74O-rFBGIVD2oG7sb9Dq*1LKnvo0aQeVEQM18izYee9s/0328091908a.jpg?width=450&height=600
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: Ahoyhoy on July 30, 2012, 06:38 pm

Shitty drug top 10 IMO:

1. Krokodil (Brewed from the armpit juice of Beelzebub)
2. Crack (Rubbish high and an immediate habit...WTF!)
3. Jenkem (Extreme poop sniffing for people who can't afford to smoke dried banana skins)
4. Ketamine (I know. Let's all take some horse tranquilizers for a laugh)
5. Benzo Fury (Because it's weird and unpleasant)
6. Meth (Let's face it....meth is a drug for losers)
7. Ritalin (Even the kids with ADHD steered clear in my school)
8. Datura (Never tried it, never will)
9. Glue solvents (High brain damage to pleasure ratio)
10. Amyl Nitrate (Only marginally better than the pain of the anal sex that follows it)

Honorable mention: Khat (Directions for use: Chew about half a tonne of the stuff and you should get the same buzz as if you had drunk a small cup of tea)

and the best....

1. MDMA (Just feel the love....Mmmmmm)
2. Methylone (This is to MDMA as Chardonnay is to Sancerre)
3. Cannabis sativa / indica mix (A classic)
4. (Peruvian Flake) Cocaine (Charly.....When it's good, it's really good)
5. Alcohol (in moderation, great, otherwise it belongs in the above list)
6. Caffeine (Can't beat a cup of hot bean juice in the morning)
7. Oxycodone (The Oxy nod is a little slice of heaven)
8. Mephedrone (because we can't all afford coke)
9. Dilaudid (Yummy)
10. Opana (nice if you can get it)
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: masterblaster on July 30, 2012, 08:04 pm
I had a friend of mine take a Benzo for the first time at  a bar one night. While he was drinking he woke up the next day in a strangers living room on the couch naked, Was arrested and charged with multiple felonies because the home owners teenage daughter found him naked on the couch. 

about 6 years ago I was in a bar with friends drinking beer and had taken about 5 xanax bars, I slipped on the bar cracked my head open (really bad) because it was only 10:30 at night my friends wouldn't take me to the hospital, So knocked out and unconscious they dragged me out to the car and left me in there until the bar closed around 2:00AM I woke up with a stream of dried blood running down my face.
Damn I hope you kicked your friends in the nuts for that :D

Kick him in the nuts? I'd get my wife to suck him off, that's classic!

lol wut?
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: masterblaster on July 30, 2012, 08:05 pm
Shittiest drugs are:

All of them.

Be cool, stay in school.
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: ARTICHOKE on July 31, 2012, 11:15 am
Quote
Be cool, stay in school.

Reminds me of TOOL's funny
backward masked subliminal
on "Intension":

"Work hard. Stay in school.
Listen to your Mother.
Your Father is right."  ;D
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: SojaSojaSoja on July 31, 2012, 11:57 am
what about cigarettes?

-extreme high availability
-affordable
-withdrawal after 30 minutes
-addictive as fuck
-unhealthy as fuck

and the worst part (which is the main reason i don't use it) is you don't get high from consuming it! What the fuck? Worst drug ever!
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: Ahoyhoy on July 31, 2012, 12:01 pm
what about cigarettes?

-extreme high availability
-affordable
-withdrawal after 30 minutes
-addictive as fuck
-unhealthy as fuck

and the worst part (which is the main reason i don't use it) is you don't get high from consuming it! What the fuck? Worst drug ever!


Yeah but I love a fag after a nice cuppa.
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: SojaSojaSoja on July 31, 2012, 12:26 pm
Quote
Yeah but I love a fag after a nice cuppa.

oh i forgot coffee!
What sucks about coffee is that the withdrawal makes you tired... so when you drink coffee regularly it only makes you as awake as you would be if you wouldn't drink coffee at all.
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: sselevol on July 31, 2012, 01:08 pm
Shitty drug top 10 IMO:

4. Ketamine (I know. Let's all take some horse tranquilizers for a laugh)
5. Benzo Fury (Because it's weird and unpleasant)
6. Meth (Let's face it....meth is a drug for losers)
Ket above Meth :o Have you ever had Ket?
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: sara on July 31, 2012, 02:20 pm
Jenkem, first time i have ever heard of that but done a google to see what it is, man that is some disgusting shit, lol, fucking madness
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: moonflower on July 31, 2012, 02:37 pm

Shitty drug top 10 IMO:

1. Krokodil (Brewed from the armpit juice of Beelzebub)
2. Crack (Rubbish high and an immediate habit...WTF!)
3. Jenkem (Extreme poop sniffing for people who can't afford to smoke dried banana skins)
4. Ketamine (I know. Let's all take some horse tranquilizers for a laugh)
5. Benzo Fury (Because it's weird and unpleasant)
6. Meth (Let's face it....meth is a drug for losers)
7. Ritalin (Even the kids with ADHD steered clear in my school)
8. Datura (Never tried it, never will)
9. Glue solvents (High brain damage to pleasure ratio)
10. Amyl Nitrate (Only marginally better than the pain of the anal sex that follows it)

Honorable mention: Khat (Directions for use: Chew about half a tonne of the stuff and you should get the same buzz as if you had drunk a small cup of tea)

and the best....

1. MDMA (Just feel the love....Mmmmmm)
2. Methylone (This is to MDMA as Chardonnay is to Sancerre)
3. Cannabis sativa / indica mix (A classic)
4. (Peruvian Flake) Cocaine (Charly.....When it's good, it's really good)
5. Alcohol (in moderation, great, otherwise it belongs in the above list)
6. Caffeine (Can't beat a cup of hot bean juice in the morning)
7. Oxycodone (The Oxy nod is a little slice of heaven)
8. Mephedrone (because we can't all afford coke)
9. Dilaudid (Yummy)
10. Opana (nice if you can get it)
why is ketamine on this list? it's a powerful psychedelic in high doses and certainly isn't as harmful as crack or meth...
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: sara on July 31, 2012, 02:47 pm
i think the list is just his personal opinion mate
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: Tryptamine on July 31, 2012, 03:15 pm
[Excerpt from Food Of The Gods, by Terrence McKenna]

In his science fiction novel The Man in the High Castle, Philip K Dick imagined an alternative world in which World War 2 was won by the Japanese and the Third Reich. In Dick’s fictional world, the Japanese occupation authorities introduced and legalized marijuana as one of their first moves at pacifying the population of California. Things are hardly less strange here in what conventional wisdom lightheartedly refers to as “reality”. In “this world” too, the victors introduced an all-pervasive, ultra-powerful society-shaping drug. This drug was the first of a growing group of high-technology drugs that deliver the user into an alternative reality by acting directly on the user’s sensorium, without chemicals being introduced into the nervous system. It was television. No epidemic or religious hysteria has ever moved faster or made as many converts in so short a time.

The nearest analogy to the addictive power of television and the transformation of values that is wrought in the life of the heavy user is probably heroin. Heroin flattens the image; with heroin, things are neither hot nor cold; the junkie looks out at the world certain that whatever it is, it doesn’t matter. The illusion of knowing and of control that heroin engenders is analogous to the unconsious assumption of the television consumer that what is seen is “real” somewhere in the world. In fact, what is seen are the cosmetically needed surfaces of products. Television, while chemically noninvasive, nevertheless is every bit as addictive and physiologically damaging as any other drug.

Not unlike drugs or alcohol, the television experience allows the participant to blot out the real world and enter into a pleasurable and passive mental state. The worries and anxieties of reality are as effectively deferred by becoming absorbed in a television program as by going on a “trip” induced by drugs or alcohol. And just as alcoholics are only vaguely aware of their addiction, feeling that they control their drinking more than they really do… people similarly overestimate their control over television-watching… Finally it is the adverse effect of television viewing on the lives of so many people that defines it as a serious addiction. The television habit distorts the sense of time. It renders other experiences vague and curiously unreal while taking on a greater reality for itself. It weakens relationships by reducing and sometimes eliminating normal opportunities for talking, for communicating.

Most unsettling of all is this: the content of television is not a vision but a manufactured data stream that can be sanitized to “protect” or impose cultural values. Thus we are confronted with an addictive and all-pervasive drug that delivers an experience whose message is whatever those who deal the drug wish it to be. Could anything provide a more fertile ground for fostering racism and totalitarianism than this? In the United States, there are many more televisions than households, the average television set is on six hours a day, and the average person watches more than five hours a day, nearly one-third their waking time. Aware as we all are of these simple facts, we seem unable to react to their implications. Serious study of the effects of television on health and culture only began recently. Yet no drug in history has so completely succeeded in remaking in its own image the values of the culture it has infected.

Television is by nature the dominator drug par excellence.  Control of content, uniformity of content, repeatability of content make it inevitably a tool of coercion, brainwashing and manipulation.  Television induces a trance state in the viewer that is the necessary precondition for brainwashing.  As with all other drugs and technologies, television’s basic character cannot be changed; television is no more reformable than is the technology that produces automatic assault rifles…
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: kryptoz on July 31, 2012, 03:34 pm
ahoy - you put crack above jenkem? You're telling me you'd rather sniff shit etc then smoke crack? -IF- it was pure, I'd much rather smoke crack.

-many- pure drugs are actually not as bad for you, but getting them is near impossible. For example /pure/ heroin will give you diarrhea I believe, and that's it.

The impurities fuck everything up.

Now, the worst drugs by far would be alcohol and prescription pills, because of the widespread usage and availability. BUT, you can be responsible with almost any drug out there, it comes down to the persons mental stability and intelligence.

Benzos are bad for your body, but in moderation and used in a responsible setting is fine. Taking 1 or 2 xanax bars will make you much more relaxed and will probably have you lying about not doin much of anythin lol. But when you go drinking after you'll end up blacking out, and that my friends is not being responsible ::).

PS Sorry if this is written awkward kinda high right now ::)
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: sara on July 31, 2012, 04:15 pm
ahoy - you put crack above jenkem? You're telling me you'd rather sniff shit etc then smoke crack? -IF- it was pure, I'd much rather smoke crack.

-many- pure drugs are actually not as bad for you, but getting them is near impossible. For example /pure/ heroin will give you diarrhea I believe, and that's it.

The impurities fuck everything up.

Now, the worst drugs by far would be alcohol and prescription pills, because of the widespread usage and availability. BUT, you can be responsible with almost any drug out there, it comes down to the persons mental stability and intelligence.

Benzos are bad for your body, but in moderation and used in a responsible setting is fine. Taking 1 or 2 xanax bars will make you much more relaxed and will probably have you lying about not doin much of anythin lol. But when you go drinking after you'll end up blacking out, and that my friends is not being responsible ::).

PS Sorry if this is written awkward kinda high right now ::)

you have made a load of good points, but lets not forget tobacco, kills more people than all other drugs put together .
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: ARTICHOKE on July 31, 2012, 04:39 pm
@Tryptamine: Excellent analysis of TV,
the casino capitalists' "Volksempfänger"(=Hitler's radio)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlHHl9q4Wxo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isGsq89luCM

@kryptoz: I think just the opposite, pure Heroin
would give you total constipation, just like other
antidiuretic opioids, e.g.: Loperamid.
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: kryptoz on July 31, 2012, 05:17 pm
artichoke - I don't remember which it is, but regardless, it's not life threatening or even a big deal.
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: THUMBSuP. on July 31, 2012, 05:39 pm
Never heard of "krokodil" until today but wow....
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: mollysbf on July 31, 2012, 06:33 pm
Scopolamine hands down the most dangerous. Hell I can't even find a vendor here willing to give me a small sample for my collection. If that shit ain't magic idk what is. It's a hallucinogory powder that is extracted from the seeds of the datura fruit. some one could blow 5mg your way and if your breathing at the time you will be high in less than and hour and once the effects hit you you become a zombie in the tense that you have none of your own consciousness but are still acting completely normal and willing to do what just about anyone will tell your. Ask you to help them load their truck and next day you find out your apartments empty, or your ass hurts and both your female friends are lying next to you when you awake and you have a hella sore ass and both chicks are raped to death.

Look at it in a good way thought like asking your boss for a raise or blowing it in a cops face when you get pulled over and within a minute or two he will be letting you on your way....hopefully with a police escort.
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: masterblaster on August 01, 2012, 04:47 am
Scopolamine hands down the most dangerous. Hell I can't even find a vendor here willing to give me a small sample for my collection.

You dont need to, its legal.


Quote
Television is by nature the dominator drug par excellence.  Control of content, uniformity of content, repeatability of content make it inevitably a tool of coercion, brainwashing and manipulation. 

I was watching the olympics tonight and nbc did this blurb on some girl olympiad who "has a great personality, loves her country, is a gold medalist, grateful for everything and an all round awesome person" then cues to her giving her "look at me im such a great person" interview. Made me sick to my stomach, what a blatant attempt at pushing nationalistic conformity, put that bitch in a situation where she doesnt have the world cheerleading for her and see how great a person she is.

In my opinion social acceptance is the worst drug of all.
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: THUMBSuP. on August 01, 2012, 08:57 pm
Whelp, that went in the complete opposite direction.
Ahaha.
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: Ahoyhoy on August 01, 2012, 09:16 pm

Shitty drug top 10 IMO:

1. Krokodil (Brewed from the armpit juice of Beelzebub)
2. Crack (Rubbish high and an immediate habit...WTF!)
3. Jenkem (Extreme poop sniffing for people who can't afford to smoke dried banana skins)
4. Ketamine (I know. Let's all take some horse tranquilizers for a laugh)
5. Benzo Fury (Because it's weird and unpleasant)
6. Meth (Let's face it....meth is a drug for losers)
7. Ritalin (Even the kids with ADHD steered clear in my school)
8. Datura (Never tried it, never will)
9. Glue solvents (High brain damage to pleasure ratio)
10. Amyl Nitrate (Only marginally better than the pain of the anal sex that follows it)

Honorable mention: Khat (Directions for use: Chew about half a tonne of the stuff and you should get the same buzz as if you had drunk a small cup of tea)

and the best....

1. MDMA (Just feel the love....Mmmmmm)
2. Methylone (This is to MDMA as Chardonnay is to Sancerre)
3. Cannabis sativa / indica mix (A classic)
4. (Peruvian Flake) Cocaine (Charly.....When it's good, it's really good)
5. Alcohol (in moderation, great, otherwise it belongs in the above list)
6. Caffeine (Can't beat a cup of hot bean juice in the morning)
7. Oxycodone (The Oxy nod is a little slice of heaven)
8. Mephedrone (because we can't all afford coke)
9. Dilaudid (Yummy)
10. Opana (nice if you can get it)
why is ketamine on this list? it's a powerful psychedelic in high doses and certainly isn't as harmful as crack or meth...



I had a very bad Ket trip. One of the worst drug experiences of my life.
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: Ahoyhoy on August 01, 2012, 09:19 pm
ahoy - you put crack above jenkem? You're telling me you'd rather sniff shit etc then smoke crack? -IF- it was pure, I'd much rather smoke crack.

-many- pure drugs are actually not as bad for you, but getting them is near impossible. For example /pure/ heroin will give you diarrhea I believe, and that's it.

The impurities fuck everything up.

Now, the worst drugs by far would be alcohol and prescription pills, because of the widespread usage and availability. BUT, you can be responsible with almost any drug out there, it comes down to the persons mental stability and intelligence.

Benzos are bad for your body, but in moderation and used in a responsible setting is fine. Taking 1 or 2 xanax bars will make you much more relaxed and will probably have you lying about not doin much of anythin lol. But when you go drinking after you'll end up blacking out, and that my friends is not being responsible ::).

PS Sorry if this is written awkward kinda high right now ::)


Crack was high on the list coz it's rapidly habit forming with a sub-MDMA high.
Title: Re: What would you say the worst drug(s) are? Such as krokodil, Jenkem, Datura, Meth
Post by: mollysbf on August 01, 2012, 11:11 pm
watched this on VICE the internet film group that goes places most places wont....like north korea. Many great half hour documentaries