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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Limetless on September 24, 2012, 04:46 am
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Never done a review for a vendor before so go easy.
In short I contacted DrDeepWood to inquire about his background and essentially his C.V which he communicated very well. So far I have been given some very detailed information that so far as I can tell at this moment in time is impressive to say the least. I am going to pass the info on to the people I work with to have it fully confirmed but up to this point from I am very impressed and I would recommend him. If any of you remember Wowzers I discussed similar chemistry subject with him and DrDeepWood has really left him in the dust when it comes to the detail and amount of information given to me.
Anyway I will be updating this thread later but so far, things are very positive. :)
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I figured he would have a few more sales by now.
Guys what are you waiting on this is the chance of a Lifetime.
You wont see this type of guide ever again I seriously doubt.
The guides are well written and DDW will answer whatever questions you have.
Hes not gonna berate you about not knowing chemistry but will try to explain
things so you can understand.
Don't want to sound like a shill for DDW but I doubt these are gonna be up long.
Hope you guys that really want to know how this shit can be done will jump soon.
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Yeah I passed the info on I received from DDW and had my chemists take a look at it and the shit is for real and it's basically written off any research time they have had to do themselves. Now that they have done that I have no issue fully endorsing DrDeepWood, having spoken to him further on other issues he's impressed me further since as well. Very excited to have him on side and like I said, fully recommend him. :)
Sands also makes some very good points about why DDW is good to work with. For me the main selling point is that you can have proper conversations with him and bounce back and forth and he wasn't bothered that I am not a chemist myself and that I had to relay the info he gave me.
So yeah, again, excellent value for money and in the least harsh way possible his knowledge compared to Wowzer when he was here leaves Wowzer in the cold really.
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Thanks guys!
I am glad you guys respect the fact that I can level with someone whos not an organic chemist. A lot of times smart people just overcomplicate the shit out of things so they can keep a monopoly on their intelligence, kinda like lawyer-speak. Einstein said you don't really know something until you can explain it simply so I really do strive to always communicate clearly and to the point.
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Thanks guys!
I am glad you guys respect the fact that I can level with someone whos not an organic chemist. A lot of times smart people just overcomplicate the shit out of things so they can keep a monopoly on their intelligence, kinda like lawyer-speak. Einstein said you don't really know something until you can explain it simply so I really do strive to always communicate clearly and to the point.
Yeah that's sometimes something I can be a bit guilty of with my ML work, it's something I'm working on though.
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Contacted DDW to inquire as to the legitimacy of one of his source listings and while it's nearly impossible to give hard evidence for something like this, he told me everything he could. He also kindly assured me that he would hold a listing for me due to some issues I was having with SR.
I've purchased the source from him and am in the process of ordering the product from that source. I'll be back to update when I've received the product. If I don't come back, well....it was probably a sting operation and I'm in jail.
But based on everything I can gather, that won't be happening. ;)
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I would also like to add that I'm familiar with his listing for instructions on Sassafras --> MDMA. It is a legitimate technique and is quite easy to perform compared to many others out there.
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Where to begin with Dr. Deepwood. You cant help but picture Walter White on the other end of the computer when talking to the fellow. He has a response time faster than almost anyone iv seen on SR. i purchased an MDA guide and received in minutes. I proceeded to ask questions about the guide for days. He had no problem answering me on anything. As much as i thought it was a scam, im glad i was wrong. Ron Paul is a knowledgeable stand up that is to be trusted and respected. Honestly i hope he stays low key and in the circle of few, because this guy is the keys to the ferrari.
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Glad to see people are chipping in on this, it's good to see the guy get credit for his skills.
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I just bought a guide for MDMA cleaning and recrystalization from him, and it is easy as fuck and you don't need any chemistry knowledge at all, he will explain everything in a very easy way. He also explained all further questions to me. You should know that if you have a single question like I had, you can just contact him and he will make an invidual price for you, you don't need to buy "Clandestine Chemistry Consulting: 5 questions", you can also just ask one question and you will get a quote.
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I'm with you guys, Doc Deepwood is absolutely an amazing connection to have on this place. Just got the molly guide from him, and it seems like i'm gonna be able to do this thing without ever have taken a chemistry course in my life;] Really can't wait to synth some of this stuff out, get up some more dough and equipment, then go fucking swimming in a pool of lysergic lunacity haha :-P
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then go fucking swimming in a pool of lysergic lunacity haha
;D ;D ;D
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If his listings are legit (and judging by his endorsements, they seem like they are), they would be by far the coolest listings on the SR. Doing drugs has given me a far greater appreciation for Chemistry/Pharmacology, and I'm honestly getting to the point where learning about them is more interesting to me than taking them.
I might just take the plunge and buy from you in a few months, after I finish my year of O-Chem and learn everything there is to know about the subject. ;D
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Fuck yeah he has the coolest listings on here. I've never seen a source of ergot kernels:) Let alone how to easily take that shit to ergotamine or lsa. Let's bring the fucking 60's back people, flood the country with little bits of paper and powdered science:) This is definitely the place for deepwood to recruit some folks to step up and start putting sheets on the streets. We're all on here because we love this stuff to start with, and quite a few of us on here seem to have the cash to spend to make it all. Most of us are smart enough, too, that if something is explained a little bit, we get it, and it sticks. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to shove fuel in a tube and make it fly. Why should you have to be an advanced chemist to make some good drugs? You don't, not with the help of the doctor anyway:)
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I'm honestly getting to the point where learning about them is more interesting to me than taking them.
Haha yup thats a very interesting turn to make. But it leads you down the road less traveled. its a lot easier to pop a tab of acid then it is to set up a fermentation but once you try synthesis, nothing else will give you that high. Its the most addicting thing there is and you will never shake it.
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I wonder if this is how Lim's preparing for LSD....
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i have yet to buy from ron paul but i have been A THOROUGH as motherfucker when i ask questions and he has been nice enough to answer them, i really hope i can invest a couple grand into connections on sass, helonial etc and have all the lab notes neccessary to make some good money and then quit before i go scarface and rack up a nice savings from his info
go wood!
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I've purchased the source from him and am in the process of ordering the product from that source. I'll be back to update when I've received the product. If I don't come back, well....it was probably a sting operation and I'm in jail.
But based on everything I can gather, that won't be happening. ;)
Still not in jail! Just waiting for the source to re-up. I still intend on returning once I receive.
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Glad to have you here DR. :)
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Its funny how the folks postin feed back besides (no name) has less than 10 posts, and all have similar writng . good grammar and punctuation.. and seems to have the same sentence low and structure....
what a farce...
here goes some more negative karma .. oh well thats what i get for noticing bs
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DDW, please don't disappear again in the next 2 months :)
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Its funny how the folks postin feed back besides (no name) has less than 10 posts, and all have similar writng . good grammar and punctuation.. and seems to have the same sentence low and structure....
what a farce...
here goes some more negative karma .. oh well thats what i get for noticing bs
i would have thought that 3 vendors words here in the thread would have helped clarify the guys stats as legit.
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Its funny how the folks postin feed back besides (no name) has less than 10 posts, and all have similar writng . good grammar and punctuation.. and seems to have the same sentence low and structure....
what a farce...
here goes some more negative karma .. oh well thats what i get for noticing bs
i would have thought that 3 vendors words here in the thread would have helped clarify the guys stats as legit.
No shit, those vendors have been on here for a long time. I've been on here a long time, I just hate posting on forums because I know how people get after each other over some of the most stupid shit on them. Personally, I think that it's a very good thing that pretty much everyone buying these guides and stuff from Ron Paul can spell correctly, use punctuation properly, and form complete, well thought out sentences :P
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DigitalDong: honestly most of my customers are vendors, so this is exactly what you'd expect, new forum accounts of intelligent people posting me feedback. I can't believe you would just throw around accusations like that after the large amount of feedback I have had from transactions, etc.
You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed tho, DD was no longer interested in my services when I told him he had to pay for the sassafras source AND pay for the sassafras oil. I no longer sell that source and most people on here would pay 10x what you refused to pay. I realized that anyone who has trouble with their valuation of my service does not have their eyes open enough to utilize my products.
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why no more sassafras source? :c
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oh and mr.ron paul! i am a fairly decent educated human being but with no backround in chemistry, i think to boost motivation to buy your guides and a better understanding of clandestine chemistry to {in the words of heisenburg} "respect the chemistry" to teach cheap horse ass quality cooks a better understanding you realllllly should think about post links to online guides/classes with the best most simple explained reads on how to properly pull of a reflux, distillations etc and this way you will receive less idiodic people with no understanding of chemistry thinking they can buy your guide and understand your notes cause they just got done watching breaking bad hahaha plus it would cut down so many inbox's that you probably get ;} so to help yourself and the community when you have time you should link us to some solid reads/videos or maybe even an online course so we may be ready for you....just an idea i think would be of great help.
thaanks man!
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Great idea mrnoname, I will get that going ASAP!
I need to start giving out coupon codes or something, you guys on the forum give me a lot of good ideas.
In short the reason i am not selling the sass source is because the people i have sold it to him in the past are buying him out! He has a cap to how much he sells every month. I do not want to sell a source and have him out of stock! If you buy a guide or I promised you the source we can talk but I really need to limit the amount of people using him, he cant keep up!
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well you hit me up if you ever get those coupons :p
but i look forward to any suggested reads!
completely understood, did not know if the source was industrial or not, i'm just trying to get all those " yeah we got mda,mdma and some dope blotter!" kids off the street because i dont know what they're doing but my friends have been having chronic nosebleeds and sickness when they're snort this local all cut bullshit. probably a combo of adderal,epsom and nodoz or some bullshit, i am all for educating real chemist to at least put out a more pure product and what you are doing is an aid, and i hope you are successful around and look forward to hearing some reviews, we aren't all dumb educated dumbasses in the drug world as the outside world likes to think.
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Happy to see people gettin use of this thread. :)
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The DEA watches the trade and sale of Safrole or Sassafras.
I do not run a vendor for this product, but i do live where Sassafras albidum is very abundant.
albidum do not have the highest reported % of Safrole, but the oil extract is a solid 75%.
Personally i just make tea.... thats how we roll ;D fk all these uppers
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You are more informed than most sass tea drinkin hillbillies...
You ever think to rent a woodchipper, backhoe and your pappas moonshine still?
Someone stands to be making a lot of money on SR selling sassafras, i offer free consulting for anyone who steps up.
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i offer free consulting for anyone who steps up.
Why you havent answer my last pm on the market then? ;) ;D
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haha sorry man I get like 30 messages a day, if i close them without responding they get buried. I got distracted reading research papers on the subject and forgot to message you about what i found!
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haha sorry man I get like 30 messages a day, if i close them without responding they get buried.
Know the feelin lol.
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haha sorry man I get like 30 messages a day, if i close them without responding they get buried. I got distracted reading research papers on the subject and forgot to message you about what i found!
no problem,i undertand what kind of busy man are u.
anyway thanks for your reply & that what i"ve found really make me currious.
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I've bought the MDA and MDMA guides, and while I'm not a professional chemist, his method sounds legit.
I'll also be commenting on his ergotamine and lsd production guides very soon.
He's been very helpful and cooperative in PMs, so I look forward to doing more business with him.
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I wish I could pay DDW to tell me everything he knows about LSD manufacture. I'm talking sources of precursors, which synths have been used historically and currently, which is the best synth now, major busts, how centralized or decentralized LSD production is, how the DEA factors into all this, descriptions of each level of handling from production to distribution, middlemen, chemists, and I could go on and on.
You know what DDW, you should write a book like that and just sell the book. I'm sure it would be a silk road best-seller, LOL.
Clandestine LSD manufacture over the last few decades is something that I am just immensely interested in. Fascinating to me. Especially the so-called 'grateful dead family', though I have a feeling they could be more of an urban myth at this point.
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oh and mr.ron paul! i am a fairly decent educated human being but with no backround in chemistry, i think to boost motivation to buy your guides and a better understanding of clandestine chemistry to {in the words of heisenburg} "respect the chemistry" to teach cheap horse ass quality cooks a better understanding you realllllly should think about post links to online guides/classes with the best most simple explained reads on how to properly pull of a reflux, distillations etc and this way you will receive less idiodic people with no understanding of chemistry thinking they can buy your guide and understand your notes cause they just got done watching breaking bad hahaha plus it would cut down so many inbox's that you probably get ;} so to help yourself and the community when you have time you should link us to some solid reads/videos or maybe even an online course so we may be ready for you....just an idea i think would be of great help.
thaanks man!
This is a great idea.
Definitely interested in DrDeepWoods services but I would probably struggle to cook anything tasty due to lack of chemistry knowledge.
Just a quick couple of questions to anyway with the knowledge:
1. How long would the process in the MDA guide take to carry out?
2. Are the sources in the guide available internationally or are they geared towards the USA?
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The MDA guide takes maybe 4 days since a few steps sit over night.
The helional source will ship international but im sure you have a source for wholesale helional wherever you are
The hydroxyalmine source is more geared for the US because it ships hazmat and thats hard to do international.
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Thanks Dr, I'll have to have a look at the list and see how easy it is to source these items in Europe
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This could be the greatest thing to happen on SR. If we can get more domestic producers of MDA and MDMA it would be a beautiful thing, because it seems you got to look at europe or canada to get stuff in the USA . Hopefully this will change the domestic market. KUDOS DDW !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Soo, what is the difference between the two LSD guides? Why are there two? Do I need both? Other one is cheaper? Do I only need the other? Uhh..
Thanks in advance
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The LSD guides also get me VEERY interested. How long would one production, from purchasing of chems and instruments to having LSD stake? Can I get the chems shipped to EU, or is it also more US based like the MDA one? And also, whats the difference between the two listings?
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The first guide with sources includes everything you need to start making your own ergotamine. It takes you from growing the fungi to extracting LSA (erogotamine) and turning that into lysergic acid, the backbone of the lysergic acid dietyhlamide molecule.
The second guide gives you two methods from the backbone lysergic acid to lysergic acid diethylamide tartrate, or LSD.
So if you extract your own lsa from seeds or headache pills then you only need the second guide but having the first guide allows you to grow infinite amounts of feedstock for making LSD.
I include a source for the fungi to get started, this is the highly powerful production strain, wild strains will not work at all. It is impossible to grow wild ergot artificially in liquid to produce any useable amount of feedstock.
The chemicals can be shipped anywhere and while I do not include sources I do include tips on where to find them that should work for everyone, international whatever
You need about a 40 days from fungi sample to pure lysergic acid, then 1 day to LSD.
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Ordered a guide from this master here. Everything is laid out quite easily and well.
I know I am in good hands when it comes to learning this stuff. Ive been waiting for DrDeepWood to come back (My first thread on this forum was "Wheres DrDeepWood?" lol.
Cant wait to start le cooking.
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Obvious enough, but perhaps investing time finding into more sassafras root bark, sassafras oil, or safrole sources would generate a good deal more interest in purchasing of your product. And supply our hurting rave scene(s?) with some real shit.
I hate to say this from an ecology point of view but perhaps a guide to finding naturally growing sassfras is in order? I don't know whether this is practical regarding oil yield/g of root bark but it's a thought. I'm no botantist and not much of an outdoorsman but I am however hitting the library tomorrow to see what kind of information I can turn up.
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Do you have an idea of what is the yield of oil per/g of root bark?
It's been clearly shown that the collection and clarity of information is of great value, but to be specific; is this [MDMA synthesis guide] really information you're not going find on say synthetikal or hive (mirrors)? That you're not going to find on similar websites, even if it takes serious digging? The guides are only as valuable as being claimed if it's the case that you're really not going to find it... ;)
Is the information truly of great enough clarity that, though it may be a somewhat ignorant route to take, that the procedure could be easily completed by someone with no more chemistry than average high school and without even an organic chemistry handbook? If this is true it speaks volumes to the clarity and perhaps in addition scarcity of the information.
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Are there health risks related to consumption of acetylated compounds?
Are the astounding figures quoted in the Lab Notes listing anywhere near accurate? 2g morphine acetylating then cutting to 1 oz street quality heroin? At that cut, are you suggesting quality? Or comparison to middle low range bud, just not straight stomped on? When you quote 1 oz at $3K, do you mean wholesale or per g value?
Are we talkin a penny per drop of anhydrides(?) or ten dollars?
How well does acetylation go for MDMA?
Somehow my gut tells me to doubt worthwhile opiates not showing up on drug tests. Prove me wrong? Will this shit stand up to the desires of some straight half gram a shot bangin junkies? Will it come anywhere close?
Are the chemicals for your methods easy to come by?
On a side note... I honestly might so be inclined to pull one over on someone, preferably a corporation, to get money for these guides. I have a feeling that by the time my min wage job gets me the money to pay for these they're gone. And this... dream status since literal childhood. I'm talkin since pre-teens. Particularly the LSD, my opinion of amphetamines (or opiates) in general happens to be rather lowly. I cut miss molly a break for her lack of physical withdrawals/dependency. As far as the acetylation goes, if these questions are answered the way I hope they are, morals set aside in interested of paying for school and LSD/MDMA/MDA synth labs, ho-ly-fuck the city just got a new dope man. :-X
Decided against not including this last bit to be more cordial because for the fuck of it. ::) ;D
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Kazy this is a review thread, please dont post a wall of questions on here.
I sell sass sources sometimes but I dont want to bomb them with new customers
yield can be 50-80% depending on your attention to detail
You will find some of this info in assorted places online if you already have a good deal of chemistry knowledge
Yes this information is really idiot proof
aspirin is an acetylated compound, they are considered harmless
the figures are astounding because it turns it into a compound very active around 10mg, turning morphine into that leaves you with an awesome profit margin.
anhydrides will cost pennies per drop to make
you can not acetylate mdma, it needs a carboxylic acid group or similar
the legal opiate does not show up on tests, not all molecules which interact with a receptor are that closely similar to other molecules which interact with that receptor.
please no more questions in here
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I've purchased the source from him and am in the process of ordering the product from that source. I'll be back to update when I've received the product. If I don't come back, well....it was probably a sting operation and I'm in jail.
But based on everything I can gather, that won't be happening. ;)
Still not in jail! Just waiting for the source to re-up. I still intend on returning once I receive.
Got the stuff and so far as I can tell it is the real deal. ;)
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We're using the Mandy guide now (with some alterations made to adapt to our situation) and everything is as it should be so far. :)
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We're using the Mandy guide now (with some alterations made to adapt to our situation) and everything is as it should be so far. :)
How did it go?
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I must say I'm surprised not many people have hopped on this service.
I can say that these methods are not the easiest to perform, but simply using youtube and google one would be able to work out the methods he provides.
Compared to the other methods of synthesis, this one is MUCH MUCH easier. I could teach my high school friends to do this and after a few tries they would probably get it down pretty easily.
The post purchase consultation is also very good for when you have questions after going over the methods. I am still gathering the required materials to go through with the guide. Slowly but surely...
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This is so awesome, I've always been about making my own fun. its better when you put your effort into.
DDW your the man. I want to confide in myself with your techniques, but i must wait until i have a nit more disposable income.
Thank you for this, honestly.
in the mandy recipe, the sass, is that going to be the hardest source to get?
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We're using the Mandy guide now (with some alterations made to adapt to our situation) and everything is as it should be so far. :)
How did it go?
In the last bits at the moment. The reaction scale we have done isn't big or anything yet, yield will only be 1.5g tops to test the quality of our chemicals. Everything is good so far though. :)
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Hi everybody. It's great to hear the positive feedback on this. Like others here, I too am interested in producing a quality product as well as the intrigue of production itself. I have little to no chemistry knowledge so I am very curious and super excited to start on this path. I look forward to leaving feedback in a couple of days when my funds clear into btc. :D
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Dear Doc :
I am interested in this whole sassafrass oil / safrole extraction thing.
I live in India, and i guess sassafrass trees grow here wild ( did some research about a year ago, don't remember now ).
If i know where to look, i can identify and harvest them.
I have sufficient knowledge of chemistry to do simple extractions / crystalizations / distilations etc with makeshift equipment.
I also have access to a place which can be used to set up a makeshift lab.
Lab equipment will be a bitch to get, but the chemicals required should not be.
I also have access to open land and can farm sassafrass trees for long term supply if needed ( and if the financials are worth it ).
Let me know if any of the above can help.
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For a second I considered dropping out of school to start a chemistry fabric :) I would so love making drugs and with the right advertisement the market could be great in my area. :)
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hey guys this is my review thread, i want to keep general chem discussions out of here. just stuff from customers in this thread. I guess I will start another thread for this.
But yes you can get some sassafras oil easily from the trees. just understand you will need atleast 100kg for a liter or two of oil.
I think the great thing about illicit chemistry is that it gives smart people the drive to learn a world of amazing things. They say the alchemists journey of turning lead to gold is a metaphor for bettering yourself through knowledge.
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I have purchased both the MDMA and MDA guides and while I don't have chemistry experience of any kind, I have no doubts that I will be successful at some point with this. You will gain access to knowledge, tricks as well as sources to hard-to-find items in his guides that are necessary for your success.
Life is busy, hectic and money is tight, but one must step out of their comfort zone and STAY outside of it as long as they need to if they want to accomplish anything these days. I agree with DDW that I'd never be attempting ANY chemistry if it weren't for this.....and it's going to be a great learning experience for sure. I intend for it to be a life-changing one...
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Hello,
I'd just like to pitch in. Dr. Deepwood is very good source of everything you need to know. I had asked him many questions without even making a purchase and he answered every 1. Now my colleague has bought something, it seems good so far,
Thanks
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All I can say, is that it's great that SR has attracted the likes of DrDeepWood. It's good to be able to obtain information and sources from someone who has seen a lot of action in the field. I've purchased two of his listings and have asked him several questions: He knows what he's talking about in every aspect necessary.
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I'm with everybody else on this one. Bought the MDMA HCl guide from the doc, he definetly knows his shit. Highly recommended for anybody who wants to get into the business, he knows his trade.
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Will you list the prices of the guys here please?
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I bought 1 of the sources of him, and received the product. It was well packaged and the whole thing was professional... I would recommend.
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Figure I shall spend a small fraction of time to drop a recommendation.
He was able to answer all the questions I had about the guide, although I haven't got into the real technical part yet.
But both the source and guide did came thru indeed!
You can definitely trust DrDeepWood/Ron Paul! :)
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I have bought a guide from ron & i think its good.
Btw,if you guys need any sassafras oil http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/cfb8fbb8b7
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Hi DDP,
I am considering buying one of the guides for FUN. I am based in Australia, will I be able to source required chems for the Molly guide?
Taa
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Like most in this thread, I have never done reviews on this forum. But for drdeepwood i will, as it is such a unique product.
I am a customer of his for the fun with anhydrides. I did not feel like pestering him with useless questions beforehand and so decided to just purchase what I found interesting and ask later. The main reason drugs and I are such terrible friends.
Boy was i surprised at the brevity of the received text. I was about to feel insulted which quickly boiled off into a very submissive ignoramus mode. It took me about 30 days to formulate my list of questions, with reading and studying on the side. The answers came 24 h later. They were exceedingly brief, as opposed to me or my questions. I am and always have been treated as a customer. Never a smidgin of disrespect or bad form. It is without question the most worthwhile transaction I have done on SR. It is my sincere hope that you get from this that I consider myself a complete noob in org chem and still he managed to get me so many steps ahead with my working knowledge then all the text books in the world. Things I never would have thought of doing I am now preparing to do. With confidence.
Make no mistake, this guys is very much for real. I consider the entire guide worth each of the revelations he makes. So for me I would probably have payed 3 times as much had I understood what he was going to feed me. So even price wise i think this is an absolute steal. I'm keeping this information under my hat and will never share it. It feels like I have gained a competitive edge and I don't even compete.
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Just wanted to throw in that I bought a source from Ron Paul a few months ago. I finally got around to ordering some lately, and it came through straight. That sass smells so fuckin fire:) Can't wait to make some moon rock!
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Hi DDP,
I am considering buying one of the guides for FUN. I am based in Australia, will I be able to source required chems for the Molly guide?
Taa
HeyAdmansta, its more of a revew thread, any questions for DDW i'd send to him through SR or Privnote. ;)
Good to hear you guys are getting good knowledge from the guides. :)
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DDW responded very quickly to all my question before and after I bought his MDA manual. I was a bit hesitant at first but his guide saved me tons of research and more so there isnt much info on his tek else where. I will update w results later, but i have confidence in his tek. I would have no hesitations in future business w DDW.
---The Panda
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So far my experience with Ron Paul has been great. I haven't gotten into Synths yet, but I have asked questions which were answered and have gotten Sassafras oil from the source that he offered previously (100% legit). I'm no chemist so I'm sure more questions will come up and I'm confident that Ron Paul/DDW will have the answers.
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I've bought the guide, although it looks doable after a bit of educating i wouldnt say its as easy as anything other than easymac. He doesn't detail where to obtain the chemicals and some of them are proving a little difficult to get.
It has a lot of potential and he definitely knows what he's talking about, with a bit of consulting with him i have no doubt i'll be able to pull it off.
Will report back with results.
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So we had a lot of people on here comment on how great the guide seemed or how well DDW replied to questions.
But the important question is: IS THE MDMA SYNTHESIS (SPECIFICALLY) WORKING WELL? Are customers happy with it? How are profit margins in your area? Is it easy enough to find precursors?
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I am interested in giving this a go, I am a bit paranoid about sourcing some of the materials though.
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So we had a lot of people on here comment on how great the guide seemed or how well DDW replied to questions.
But the important question is: IS THE MDMA SYNTHESIS (SPECIFICALLY) WORKING WELL? Are customers happy with it? How are profit margins in your area? Is it easy enough to find precursors?
I've got to agree, can anyone say that they have synthesised any product as of yet? I'm interested as I would like to buy consultation or a guide but would like to know a product is obtainable. :)
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I'm really surprised more people dont come forward praising my synthesis. I answer questions for my customers day in and day out and then their last question is about the very last step and POOF
All of a sudden posting on an internet message board is not nearly as exciting as the pound of molly they are sitting on. I gota say, selling wholesale molly that you have made is FUCKING FUN. Knowing that you made it yourself and your profit margins are enormous is the best kind of high.
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Have you had anyone message you in the USA or O/S about any success?
Or is everyone getting stuck on the last or so step/s?
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I'm really surprised more people dont come forward praising my synthesis. I answer questions for my customers day in and day out and then their last question is about the very last step and POOF
BAHAHAHAHA!!! ROFLMAO!!! Oh woody really ;D ;D ;D It's becoz that very last POOF you mention is either their house blowing up OR NOTHING HAPPENED and THAT'S WHY NOBODY HAS REPORTED A "successful synth" (of yours)
Go Hard woody .... Oh and where's my FREE COPY of your LSD synthesis you offered me?
YES Thank You I AM VERY interested in reading your 'notes' not that I think I'll learn anything BUT I would give it/you a fair assesment of the/your processes..none of this silly pseudoscience banter :)
Try me ;)
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motek delete your post, you already have your own thread where you can run your mouth all you want. The fact of the matter is that you just want to troll me and the only thing you have managed to say in 10 pages of babbling is that you THINK my methods dont work. Funny how 2 professional chemists, one backed by a moderator on this site both looked over my methods and gave them a thumbs up.
Take your speculation back to your thread, only hard information is needed in this thread.
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I'm really surprised more people dont come forward praising my synthesis. I answer questions for my customers day in and day out and then their last question is about the very last step and POOF
BAHAHAHAHA!!! ROFLMAO!!! Oh woody really ;D ;D ;D It's becoz that very last POOF you mention is either their house blowing up OR NOTHING HAPPENED and THAT'S WHY NOBODY HAS REPORTED A "successful synth" (of yours)
Go Hard woody .... Oh and where's my FREE COPY of your LSD synthesis you offered me?
YES Thank You I AM VERY interested in reading your 'notes' not that I think I'll learn anything BUT I would give it/you a fair assesment of the/your processes..none of this silly pseudoscience banter :)
Try me ;)
I'm with DrDeepWood on this one. If you want to argue specific points about his procedure or something that's one thing but your post is full of over-the-top hyperbole and baseless accusation. And you are the one talking about "pseudoscience". If you want to try to discuss the validity of DrDeepWood's products or credentials then you need to go about it in a professional manner which, in my opinion you have failed to do.
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I would like to see a thread of org chem discussion based on/around these synths, not to say give away your synths for free though. In my last semester of Ochem im thinking some discussion will refresh me so i can best the final. Obviously can't talk to my professor about the things that interest me the most. :P
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I'm with DrDeepWood on this one. If you want to argue specific points about his procedure or something that's one thing but your post is full of over-the-top hyperbole and baseless accusation. And you are the one talking about "pseudoscience". If you want to try to discuss the validity of DrDeepWood's products or credentials then you need to go about it in a professional manner which, in my opinion you have failed to do OR 'tried to'
Duuuuude! SO you've not read the "other" thread?
I HAVE "tried to" take woody to task BUT he HASN'T SAID ANY thing that either, makes 'sense' OR has any chemistry TO 'discuss'
AFTER ALL he is SELLING HIS 'NOTES' YEAH? BUT BUT BUT?????
WHY WONT WOODY HONOR HIS OFFER TO give me A GUIDE OF MY CHOICE FREE, AS HE DID ? Words ARE CHEAP woody!
I DID/HAVE ASKED and I also CLEARLY STATED I WOULD "argue the chemistry" ... the problem IS
1) ron paul HAS NOT POSTED ANYTHING "specific" about his chemistry/guides. How can I argue against NOTHING?
2) AGAIN, I AM NOT THE ONLY PERSON SAYING THIS GUY IS A FRAUD/SCAMMER (a typical "greed IS GOOD" type of person)
3) The guy HAS STATED that I "motek" HAVE INCREASED HIS SALES :o So, WHY NOW ALL the BITCHIN from you/him?
4) As far as I can READ, there ARE SEVERAL people besides myself, who clearly have Organic Chemistry knowledge WHO ARE CALLING BULLSHIT e.g. 'dissonance' for one! (although "strangely enough" that post has been deleted TWICE, and not by me!)
5) WHERE? in ANY OF YOU POSTS woody, where you ACTUALLY HAVE said ANYTHING SPECIFIC about your 'recipes?' YOU HAVENT
6) why IS IT that "everyone" who supports you, seems to have VERY LITTLE or NO "organic chemistry" knowledge, they ADMIT THIS, and YET then go on to "defend' you :o
That's like my 3 year old 'correcting MY grammar' ... it's NOT going to happen BECOZ she cannot; she does NOT HAVE the skillz (yet)
OK, ..... I wasn't gonna do this but here goes, you want some "HARDER" chemistry 'argument/s type stuff?'
Here you Go ;D
I quote a few other notable posts for you dr woody, so you MIGHT comprehend your dilemma further ;)
So woody as you would know, ;) here are some possible feedstocks for lysergic acid/s
Ergonovine (ergobasine)
INN: ergometrine
IUPAC name: (8beta(S))#8722;9,10-didehydro-N-(2-hydroxy-1-methylethyl)#8722;6-methyl-ergoline-8-carboxamide
CAS number: 60-79-7
Methergine (ME-277)
INN: methylergometrine
IUPAC name: (8beta(S))#8722;9,10-didehydro-N-(1-(hydroxymethyl)propyl)#8722;6-methyl-ergoline-8-carboxamide
CAS number: 113-42-8
(methylergoline should work fine, just couldn't find it's IUPAC listing?)
Ergotamine
IUPAC name: Ergotaman-3',6',18-trione, 12'-hydroxy-2'-methyl-5'-(phenylmethyl)-, (5'-alpha)- (9CI)
CAS number: 113-15-5
Ergocristine
IUPAC name: Ergotaman-3',6',18-trione, 12'-hydroxy-2'-(1-methylethyl)#8722;5'-(phenylmethyl)-, (5'-alpha)-
CAS number: 511-08-0
Ergocornine
IUPAC name: Ergotaman-3',6',18-trione, 12'-hydroxy-2',5'-bis(1-methylethyl)-, (5'-alpha)-
CAS number: 564-36-3
Ergocryptine
IUPAC name:Ergotaman-3',6',18-trione, 12'-hydroxy-2'-(1-methylethyl)#8722;5'-(2-methylpropyl)-, (5'alpha)- (9CI)
CAS number: 511-09-1
Ergovaline
IUPAC name: Ergotaman-3',6',18-trione, 12'-hydroxy-2'-methyl-5'-(1-methylethyl)-, (5'alpha)-
CAS number: 2873-38-3
Another commonly encountered term is ergotoxine, which refers to a mixture of equal proportions of ergocristine, ergocornine and ergocryptine.
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However, its not elymoclavine or any clavine type ergot alkaloids. It could be D-Lysergic acid N-(α-hydroxyethyl)amide which occurs in various species of vines of the Convolvulaceae and some species of fungi.
From wiki;
D-lysergic acid α-hydroxyethylamide is unscheduled and uncontrolled in the United States, but possession and sales of it could be prosecuted under the Federal Analog Act because of its structural similarities to LSD and ergine.
The legality of this drug, and other related substances, is under scrutiny as of July 2004, due to Operation Web Tryp."
But is probably scheduled now.
Maybe's; Bromocryptine, Cabergoline, Lisuride or Pergolide. Hmmm Nah dont think so. :-\
motek's hot favorite for woody's mystery lsd precursor; iiiisssss.....
"Lysergol, is an alkaloid of the ergoline family that occurs as a minor constituent in some species of fungi (most within Claviceps), and in the morning glory family of plants (Convolvulaceae), including the hallucinogenic seeds of Rivea corymbosa (ololiuhqui), Argyreia nervosa (Hawaiian baby woodrose) and Ipomoea violacea. Lysergol is not a controlled substance in the USA. Its possession and sale is also legal under the U.S. Federal Analog Act because of it does not have a known pharmacological action or a precursor relationship to LSD, which is a controlled substance. However, lysergol can be utilized as an intermediate in the manufacture of some ergoloid medicines (e.g., nicergoline)."
From wiki.
**AND I 'forgot' to ask you how you about " amine protection"
becoz you will have to protect your amine first and then deprotect it.
What methods do you suggest here? Walter White would have trouble explaining that to your 'average target'
(For all good doctors practice (best practice SOP) which includes all types of prophylaxis, no?)
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But your still really still in the same boat, what you going to do go down to your local Sigma-Aldrich and order a sack? China maybe lol, your probably better off with a name like cafergot under your belt representing like handy smurf IMHO.
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And here's 'another' home chemists "opinion" from about 3 years ago at one of those "useless and outdated fora"
"This discussion has gone one before, but from,
hxxp://www.erowid.org/plants/hbw/hbw_info1.shtml
"Major Alkaloid Content in the seeds of A. nervosa(Burm. f.) Bojer
[snip] % of Total alkaloid % dry seed weight
Ergine 22.68 0.136
Isoergine 31.36 0.188
Ergometrine 8.20 0.049
Lys. alpha-OH-ethylamide 5.79 0.035
IsoLys. || 3.98 0.024
Taken from:
Ergoline Alkaloidal Constituents of Hawaiian Baby Wood Rose, _Argyreia
nervosa_ (Burm. f.) Bojer. Jew-Ming Chao and Ara H. Der Marderosian.
Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences 62(4):588-91. 1973."
Extraction and isolation could be combined with a base catalyzed hydrolysis leading right to column-ing out your LSA, or if using one of the old school routes that isomerize the product anyway, use both LSA and iso-LSA and you will actually gain some to make up for the yield of not going new school.
hxxp://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/lysergic.amides.html to deal with the iso, as well.
Isn't it funny that kcn wrote something that his peptide coupling procedures were not meant to be the end all be all of modern LSD manufacture but TEN YEARS ON, they still are. :o
And on of our russian friends puts its perfectly, "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread"
READ THE SECOND PARAGRAPH :o
People should read this again to let it sink in.
All I will say at this time about these precursors is that the typical method of acquisition involves cursory knowledge of biochem practices.
The impurities are measured in micrograms and the human body is more than capable of handling these impurities that are produced while using less than pure starting material for the synthesis. Intimate knowledge of moulds and fungus is a must, as well as safe handling procedures to avoid infection, poisoning or worse.
Basically, only a select few dare to take the chance and with good cause. This is why there isn't more illicit LSD available, because it is not simple or cheap and it can be incredibly dangerous to synthesize. Although there is no shortage of fraudulent LSD available containing no lysergic compounds at all.
I have always thought that those who are interested in this field of chemistry should be focussing on derivatives of tryptamine.
DMT is the most illegal drug in the world if you consider the scheduling of each country that has made it illegal and taken into account the lack of medical studies involving it versus LSD.
It provides a powerful hallucination and in only one tenth the time of LSD.
"Hallucinogens have a message, once you get the message... hang up the phone." --T. Leary
I think that pretty much covers your LSD bullshit woody, now where's my free guide you promised me (or you gonna delete this thread too?)
Much love woody, still waiting on either those btcs or the copies of your guides for me to dissect for you ;D 8)
Peace love and happy dreams
Motek, friend of the home chemist.
P.S I've been thinking of starting a thread for all you guys who'd like a hand starting on their "home chemistry" aspirations, like links to good sites where ALL this info is FREE
AS IT FUCKIN SHOULD BE!! And DO NOT think synthin you're own mdxx is a piece of piss and you'll be making kilos of the stuff...you'd be LUCKY to pull off a 50gm synth of 70-80% purity with good lab skills AND lab reagent grade precursors.
Maybe you could help me understand how you can scale up to a kg yeild (of what? 5% molly reaction mix) from "how much helional" what maybe 5+KILOS using your room temp halosafrole methods :-\
Dunno....I'm pretty dumb, that's why you must have decided against wasting your fabulous 'tips and tricks found nowhere else!" guide YOU OFFERED ME FOR FREE, AND LOTS OF MEMBERS ARE WAITING TO SEE WHAT YOU WILL DO?
I was told of this thread by ome of your disgruntled customers, to come back and fight the good fight against a charlatan >:(
Good luck woody, like I stated elsewhere, "GIVING, let alone "SELLING" poorly written chemistry notes to people with virtually NO chemistry knowledge (or they wouldnb't be looking to you for it!) IS BAD KARMA, and not only dangerous for the 'cook' but ALSO anyone around when their house blows up (as they do on a daily basis, ask ANY major city Fire Department)
Do you think they wear the 'containment suits' coz it's all enviromentally friendly?
Much love, woody, motek :-*
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motek: I would never give you a free guide, I was being sarcastic. You are totally delusional, what makes you think I would ever give a free guide to someone whos stated that A) they would never accept one B) has made outright lies in an attempt to lower my credibility and C) someone who would abandon logic and make himself look like an autistic 12 year old with an internet connection just to attempt to discredit me.
You are accusing me of deleting negative commends? You LITERALLY think that there is a huge conspiracy to hide negative reviews of me? How about the more simple alternative, there are very few people who purchased that have negative things to say. You act like dissonance has your back against me, he apologized and changed his stance after talking with me on this thread!
Looks like you did some googling and made a list of ergoloids, what exactly are you trying to prove?
Yes, some of those compounds can be broken down to lysergic acid used for LSD synthesis but almost none of them are available commercially and many of them are 100% unrealistic to use.
Most of those compounds are very very expensive and the ones available commercially in pill form contain doses around 1mg per pill, AKA 1000 pills per gram, before the weight loss of hydrolysis!
You are much better off using my method and producing 1 gram for every liter of fermentation broth.
your list of ergoloids means nothing! a few of them are even totally useless!
So your favorite ergoloid for LSD production is LYSERGOL?
You really don't know anything about organic chemisty except for how to copy and paste fancy looking names from the internet.
LYSERGOL is next to impossible to utilize! Lysergol requires a selective oxidation to convert the alcohol into a carboxylic acid. Do you know how hard it is to find an oxidation agent that will leave the rest of that fragile molecule alone and only oxidize the alcohol group? You realize that this was only recently accomplished in very low yields in a professional lab right? It was done as a proof of concept and would never be practical in any other way. TOTAL GARBAGE. Only looks good to someone that has never done any synthesis before in their life.
" **AND I 'forgot' to ask you how you about " amine protection"
becoz you will have to protect your amine first and then deprotect it. "
Oh really? thats funny because Im pretty sure that lysergic acid does not have any reactive amines in this sense, just a tertiary and secondary amine in a ring. They don't need protection at all using peptide coupling. This is basic stuff motek, you are really showing your ignorance off here.
You are failing at even copying and pasting information! We should talk chemistry more often!
idiot.
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motek: I would never give you a free guide, I was being sarcastic.
no dude, you were just LYING!
You SAID becoz of "all the publicity" I had given you and the jumpin your sales was due to 'our discussion' and it was your way of thanking me!? That's just plain ole BULLSHIT
You are right (AS ALWAYS) I'm just some dumb young (autistic idiot) kid with an internet connection who knows how to copy and paste!
You GO Great dr woody, Owsley would be proud of you!
I must have hit a nerve for you to put ALL this effort into "arguing with an idiot" ... I'm stuck in a hospital bed right now, how about you ???
keep up the good fight .... and forget the chemistry, "can you teach me about this thing you call 'sarcasm' please?" I would LOVE to know 'how to use it' like you.
Then I could say things and then reneg on them , all the while being "completely justified in doing so" BECOZ I'll use 'sarcasm' to make a lie the truth! Awesome!
It must be the autism :(
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Dude, you guys are not helping. Take your personal vendettas to the Private Message system. These threads are for talking about things that will be useful to potential buyers.
DrDeepWood, I don't know what your deal is but a simpler synthesis has the potential to change the game in a serious manner. Your feedback is practically flawless, don't let the haters tarnish you rep.
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Dude, you guys are not helping. Take your personal vendettas to the Private Message system
I 'thought' the whole purpose of this forum WAS to 'discuss' the "pro's and con's" of vendors and their products? Is this NOT the case?
I might be just some new young and autistic tweaker .... but at least I was trying to be sincere about it, as my earlier posts show, I WAS NOT OUT TO ATTACK rp/woody BUT I wasn't going to just stand by and read this persons bullshit and personal attacks on someone JUST BECOZ they spoke their mind >:(
This was ALL I tried to do, initiate some 'reasonable discussion' about WHY
rp feels 'justified' in saying what he does :-\
As for "perfect stats" there are NO shortage of posts discussing vendors both past and present, "cooking bullshit stats" ... c'mon, now, dont try and tell me that isn't the case at times!
I HAVE no 'vendetta' with rp... AND ...
I am NOT SELLING ANYTHING, nor "wanting anything, " EXCEPT" to warn people who may not know what they're getting into...home chemistry IS NOT a 'game'
Even the best (food) chefs, given "perfect instructions" aren't always able to reproduce the 'meal' as per the 'instructions'!
This game IS a LOT MORE DANGEROUS, than "cooking food" as I have pointed out.
If my posts stop just one person from getting hurt/busted, I feel I have done what I attempted, to make folks more AWARE!
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well i just ordered the mdma synthesis guide from ron paul (dr deepwood) and he seems like a legit awesome guy. cant wait until i recieve it and check it out. and whether i fail or succeed at synthesizing some mdma i will be reporting back on this thread. i dont know why some people never update feedback on sr or the forums but i like to let people know so expect an honest review.
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anyone talked to dr deepwood (ron paul) in the last few days? ive been trying to get the mdma synthesis guide i bought but he hasnt been online apparently for the last few days. i need it asap.
His profile says he has been online today. Keep us updated if you hear from him, I was about going to buy the same guide.
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brian: just sent you your guide. You had special circumstances because we did the sale out of escrow, either way its been less than 24 hours since you paid me, no need to worry. You got a good deal why the impatience?
Anyway guys its finally happened, I got a bad feedback. Ill explain what happened. User Bob**** purchases a guide from me, its all good. He received the guide but refused to finalize. We talked back and forth for a month or so about the synthesis. He then asks me "I am in australia, do you provide sources?" I tell him no. no sources can't help you but give him advice anyway on how to find/make the chemicals needed in a pinch. Even told him which chemicals are used for what industry, etc. He couldn't even find acetic acid which is glorified vinegar so that speaks to his level of searching. Anyway he started saying since he can't find the chemicals he wants a refund. He keeps weaseling around saying since he cant find the chemicals he didnt get what he paid for and refusing to release payment after receiving which is against the rules. He literally kept rewording the phrase "What I paid for is not sitting in front of me because I cant find the chemicals." Trying to make it fit the qualification of product not received for a refund.
before it went into finalization I told him that if he sent me a decent apology for being manipulative I would still consult with him but otherwise I will blacklist him from consulting. He is actually the reason I had to not guarantee consulting services. Anyway SR sided with me, he didn't get his money back and left me a 1/5 and lied about that fact that I would not help him. He got help and a second chance after being a snake. These are the kind of situations that make SR vendors bitter.
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i should think any customer of yours will read this thread. i don't think the feedback system is going to have as much impact on you as it would on someone doing massive amounts of small sales, for instance
don't get bitter. assholes are always gonna asshole. you just gotta enjoy being not an asshole
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brian: just sent you your guide. You had special circumstances because we did the sale out of escrow, either way its been less than 24 hours since you paid me, no need to worry. You got a good deal why the impatience?
Anyway guys its finally happened, I got a bad feedback. Ill explain what happened. User Bob**** purchases a guide from me, its all good. He received the guide but refused to finalize. We talked back and forth for a month or so about the synthesis. He then asks me "I am in australia, do you provide sources?" I tell him no. no sources can't help you but give him advice anyway on how to find/make the chemicals needed in a pinch. Even told him which chemicals are used for what industry, etc. He couldn't even find acetic acid which is glorified vinegar so that speaks to his level of searching. Anyway he started saying since he can't find the chemicals he wants a refund. He keeps weaseling around saying since he cant find the chemicals he didnt get what he paid for and refusing to release payment after receiving which is against the rules. He literally kept rewording the phrase "What I paid for is not sitting in front of me because I cant find the chemicals." Trying to make it fit the qualification of product not received for a refund.
before it went into finalization I told him that if he sent me a decent apology for being manipulative I would still consult with him but otherwise I will blacklist him from consulting. He is actually the reason I had to not guarantee consulting services. Anyway SR sided with me, he didn't get his money back and left me a 1/5 and lied about that fact that I would not help him. He got help and a second chance after being a snake. These are the kind of situations that make SR vendors bitter.
its all good man, sorry for the tiny bit of worry i started to have. but you are awesome!! ill be sure to update once i have a chance to check it out. thanks again!!!
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i saw that messed up feedback. thats messed up. you dont promise to give sources and its not your fault if the person cant find the chemicals. sounds like you went above and beyond what you promised to try to help this person. people gotta find the shit for themselves, the guide is supposed to be to show you how and tell you what you all need. people are crazy
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These are the kind of situations that make SR vendors bitter.
Welcome to the road dr. 8)
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hey joy, how should i store the sassafras oil until i use it? is at room temp fine? thanks!
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hey joy, how should i store the sassafras oil until i use it? is at room temp fine? thanks!
Room temp is ok, Choose a cool, dark place to keep them safely away from heat
The production date of the oil that you just receive is made in early february,
It have a shell life of 2 years, that means the expired date is february 2015.
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hey joy, how should i store the sassafras oil until i use it? is at room temp fine? thanks!
Room temp is ok, Choose a cool, dark place to keep them safely away from heat
The production date of the oil that you just receive is made in early february,
It have a shell life of 2 years, that means the expired date is february 2015.
awesome. thanks for the reply. i really appreciate it joy.
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brian: just sent you your guide. You had special circumstances because we did the sale out of escrow, either way its been less than 24 hours since you paid me, no need to worry. You got a good deal why the impatience?
Anyway guys its finally happened, I got a bad feedback. Ill explain what happened. User Bob**** purchases a guide from me, its all good. He received the guide but refused to finalize. We talked back and forth for a month or so about the synthesis. He then asks me "I am in australia, do you provide sources?" I tell him no. no sources can't help you but give him advice anyway on how to find/make the chemicals needed in a pinch. Even told him which chemicals are used for what industry, etc. He couldn't even find acetic acid which is glorified vinegar so that speaks to his level of searching. Anyway he started saying since he can't find the chemicals he wants a refund. He keeps weaseling around saying since he cant find the chemicals he didnt get what he paid for and refusing to release payment after receiving which is against the rules. He literally kept rewording the phrase "What I paid for is not sitting in front of me because I cant find the chemicals." Trying to make it fit the qualification of product not received for a refund.
before it went into finalization I told him that if he sent me a decent apology for being manipulative I would still consult with him but otherwise I will blacklist him from consulting. He is actually the reason I had to not guarantee consulting services. Anyway SR sided with me, he didn't get his money back and left me a 1/5 and lied about that fact that I would not help him. He got help and a second chance after being a snake. These are the kind of situations that make SR vendors bitter.
Wow, thats really gotta suck! I'm pretty sure I know the possible synths you sent him, and the precursors required for most of them are able to be sourced over here in Aus. Some of them have to be refined, but the process isn't that difficult.
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RP has already helped me with some of my popper project and I plan on buy both the Anhydrides guide and the smuggling guide when it becomes available. I am very confident both will be well worth it and I will certainly be posting about my results. However, first we're going to work out how much the next set of custom questions is going to cost me because I sent him another big batch to answer and I know he's a busy guy.
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February 27, 2013, 04:34 pm »
well i just ordered the mdma synthesis guide from ron paul (dr deepwood) and he seems like a legit awesome guy. cant wait until i recieve it and check it out. and whether i fail or succeed at synthesizing some mdma i will be reporting back on this thread. i dont know why some people never update feedback on sr or the forums but i like to let people know so expect an honest review.
Hey brian how's those guides going for you? Have you openened up a vendor account to sell all those kilos of "mad shard?" ;D
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February 27, 2013, 04:34 pm »
well i just ordered the mdma synthesis guide from ron paul (dr deepwood) and he seems like a legit awesome guy. cant wait until i recieve it and check it out. and whether i fail or succeed at synthesizing some mdma i will be reporting back on this thread. i dont know why some people never update feedback on sr or the forums but i like to let people know so expect an honest review.
Hey brian how's those guides going for you? Have you openened up a vendor account to sell all those kilos of "mad shard?" ;D
How about you stop being a (shitty) armchair chemist and put your money where your mouth is? Let's set up a bet in escrow with the terms that I will successfully synthesize MDMA using DDW's method, winner of the bet takes all. I can send out my product to a lab to confirm purity. I'm pretty sure I have cash up for any amount of money you would be willing to bet, I'll even cover the cost of a vendor account for you in my part of the bet (making this an entirely in escrow transaction that can be settled by SR staff in case you try to pussy out). Unless you are a super secret SR drug kingpin and already have a vendor account.
I have no interest in being a for profit MDMA chemist, the risks are not worth the rewards for someone like me. I am only even doing this as a one time favor for a group of people who I owe a non monetary debt to. However I will happily line my pockets with your money by showing everyone how much of a arrogant and ignorant prick you are. If you are too broke to gamble (likely) I will also take collateral in the form of a human heart as payment, in escrow.
DDW has updated his guide to include sources for the harder to get compounds, including NaBr and NaI. DDW customers get 20% off with a code word.
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Armchair chemist my arse.
Your saying that, and yet your the one making out as though you have all this money, "If you are too broke to gamble(likely). ??? Grow up...
I hope Motek doesnt even take the time to reply to you.
I have just been witness to a certain something which makes this whole thread laughable.
Calling someone arrogant and an ignorant prick really shows the depth of your intelligence...
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hey Johnny...what do you think...should I post woody's $580 mdma synth here?
In fact all you members, PLEASE let me know, coz I'm VERY tempted to ;D
DDW 'says' NOTHING OF HIS is from the Rhodium Archives AND YET HE GIVES A LINK TO THEM for a 'methylamine synth' which IS THE HARD WAY ...
I even pm'd DDW to say I would post the synth of his I had a friend buy with some loose change I had lying around FOR EXACTLY THIS PURPOSE ;D
In fact JUST ONE member asking me to post DDW $580 synth ...and I shall .... and maybe ALL the other ones too!
And THEN I'll put some genuine chemistry on Rutheniums thread which WILL get you MDA/mdma for REAL ...although they aren't for huge amounts ...50gm synths ...but IMHO your're better off buying good molli from on the Road ... MUCH cheaper, and probably ' better' quality than a noob will 'make' (consulting or not) after several attempts and MUCH frustration
HINT...ONLY do the chemistry gig IF you like/love chenistry NOT for $'ss .... the Dutch do batches of 200+ litres you'll never compete with ;)
Johnny? ;) ;D
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I dunno Motek...i will leave that to you, but after everything that has been said in this thread, it would certainly shut a few people up thats for sure. ;)
Maybe give it to those who PM you.. :-X
Exactly, the dutch have it down to an art form.
If it was me, being a beginner, you would be almost suicidal to try large amounts first off. People wanting the large amounts can only see dollar signs.
Also when dealing with such a magnificent organic compound, there must be love and good energy, not money hungry wannabe chemists wanting a quick dollar. Thats black and dark, and will result in rushed synths with low yields and low octane so to speak.
Small batches...baby steps. Quality smaller batches. Then when your 100% confident, you level up if desired.
I feel sorry for the people who have spent the money on the guides. But hopefully some of them will be successful who knows.
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Armchair chemist my arse.
Your saying that, and yet your the one making out as though you have all this money, "If you are too broke to gamble(likely). ??? Grow up...
I hope Motek doesnt even take the time to reply to you.
What the fuck does this even mean? I read over twenty pages of bullshit in the other thread in which motek babbles about conspiracies and irrelevant garbage and makes absolutely no sense. He's an idiot. I'll happily bet a few thousand that I can pull off this synthesis in the next three weeks. Want to see my bottle of safrole? Want to see all the other precursors I've already extracted/synthesized? Want to see my full lab setup? I just need to make the methylamine and I'll be ready to go and will able to synthesize at least 250 grams on the first shot.
DDW 'says' NOTHING OF HIS is from the Rhodium Archives AND YET HE GIVES A LINK TO THEM for a 'methylamine synth' which IS THE HARD WAY ...
Please post where DDW says that NOTHING is from Rhodium. The actual synthesis is unique and uses very easy to get chemicals. That's the point. If you could get your hands on any chemical you wanted without drawing attention to yourself, I don't doubt there would be a better way. However, with this synthesis you can get every chemical you need off of the Silk Road or OTC, which makes it very, very appealing. The Methylamine synthesis is not hard, you are an idiot if you think that is the case. It is time consuming, but seeing as you can get formaldehyde via OTC products (mildewcide) it follows the spirit of the rest of the guide in that virtually anyone can simply get the products needed to make MDMA without difficulty.
Funny how motek spams up the other thread claiming that the guide is bunk because nobody has posted that they have successfully used DDW's guide to make MDMA. I've never made MDMA before and I just stepped up to the plate and instead of acknowledging his own challenge he simply ignores me and won't put his money where his mouth is. Let me guess, because I only plan on making a quarter kilogram instead of a full kilogram, it's not going to count and the guide is still bunk. What a pussy.
And THEN I'll put some genuine chemistry on Rutheniums thread which WILL get you MDA/mdma for REAL ...although they aren't for huge amounts ...50gm synths ...but IMHO your're better off buying good molli from on the Road ... MUCH cheaper, and probably ' better' quality than a noob will 'make' (consulting or not) after several attempts and MUCH frustration
Motek, how about I do a price breakdown of what everything cost me and you explain exactly how the fuck it's cheaper to buy MDMA off the Silk Road? Let me guess, you are assuming I'm going to fuck up a bunch of times before I am successfully. If that's the case stop being a coward and accept my bet and name your cash amount. Statements like that are exactly what makes you an ignorant prick.
If it was me, being a beginner, you would be almost suicidal to try large amounts first off. People wanting the large amounts can only see dollar signs.
Also when dealing with such a magnificent organic compound, there must be love and good energy, not money hungry wannabe chemists wanting a quick dollar. Thats black and dark, and will result in rushed synths with low yields and low octane so to speak.
So it won't work because it's morally questionable or bad mojo or some shit. What a brilliant man of science you must be to come up with something so bold and intelligent.
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No one said the synth was bunk.
I feel like i'm hitting my head against a brick wall here...
Popper, how about you put your money where your mouth is, and just do the synth? Then we will have the very first person on this thread to have had success.
You simply sound like someone who has more money than brains.
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No one said the synth was bunk.
I feel like i'm hitting my head against a brick wall here...
Popper, how about you put your money where your mouth is, and just do the synth? Then we will have the very first person on this thread to have had success.
You simply sound like someone who has more money than brains.
Like I said, I will be doing it within the next three weeks. I have a life and need time to synthesize the methylamine and then it will be a few days before I will have time again to follow through with the actual synthesis of MDMA. Do not twist my words, do you want me to go back and quote motek's posts where he many times makes the claim that the guide is useless/poorly represented/a rip off or any of his other unjustified claims?
Frankly if I do not have any brains this should be proof enough that any (careful) moron can complete this synth if I am capable of being successful. Never did I once claim I was a smart person, or a chemist, or particularly sane. I'm glad that my posts caused you physical pain, that's exactly what I would have wanted to go for.
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Motek and Jm, gert your shit slinging out of my customers thread!
You have your own 20 page thread where you hate on me, stop attacking me and my customers for no reason.
You seriously think that I somehow delete negative reviews of myself and am a total fraud? How about the simpler explanation: I have more than 100 happy customers and consult on SR every day.
Im sorry that I havent given you enough attention in your shit slinging thread, no need to bring that negativity into this one.
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Hi everybody, the girl with the hairy cunt has returned ... at the wrong time of the month to see this shit STILL going on, and blatant LIES STILL BEING TOLD :( ::) >:( :o
So...Hey woody, are you saying that you and Brian used the SR to do a deal "outside of escrow"! :o
how do you DO that? ??? And 'why' would you DO that? ??? to avoid the SR fees? :-\ I guess you do this a lot hey? ::)
And here you are Woody with "your thread FOR your customers only?" you say? Well....I only hear ONE speaking here! Hadn't said a lot of positive things (about anyone! in fact!))
And then, why, earlier, on page 6 of THIS THREAD you say this? "I'm really surprised more people dont come forward praising my synthesis. I answer questions for my customers day in and day out and then their last question is about the very last step and POOF "
I know you didn't like my answer at the time, but I'll induce my Jedi training and ask you a simple question, most easily answered by such a wise and respected One.
"Would you like me to post your, "amazing" MDMA synthesis, here in this thread AND THEN GO THROUGH THE CHEMISTRY and point out just HOW MUCH BULLSHIT YOU'VE SPUN in this thread and on your vendor page, inn 'general' you have bullshitted ALL the way, and in the other 27 page thread, where the OP asked
"Has ANYONE had success with ANY of RP's/DrDeepWood's guides?"
And after 27 pages, so far NO ONE has come along and said "yep, I got DDW's guides and they worked like a charm!"
Just say the word 'yes' doc ... and I"LL GIVE YOU ONE FREE COPY of the "fully sick and complete guide to make mdma for smart dummies!
I'll post it here, on 'your' magnanimus gesture of goodwill and sharing the love, for everyone to download FOR FREE! ;D Cool huh? 8)
and As for poppermachine ....sigh! Duuuude! I really couldn't be bothered with your dreams, and IF you truly have gone as far as you say you have, all I will do is wish you the very best with your synthesis ... although, you mention 'making 250gms of mdma' ....
yet DDW's synth start with only 160mls of safrole? Are you "scaling up?" Are you scaling up using the stoichiometry of the chemicals/precursors ???
And for the CH3NH2 use Hexamethylenetetramine and Hcl to get aluminium chloride and CH3NH2/methyamine wchi will be a gas you will have to dissolve into a solvent, and then weigh it to determine the total amount of CH3NH2 you have 'dissolved' into the solvent ... and it's cheap and easy, very similar in ways to DDW's BUT NO DMF, which isn't available easily in many coutries, the states being an exception ... there are some great methods to synth ALL sorts of chems, at ScienceMadness and much good discussion about doing so and refining methods.... the best english home chemistry sites around .... imo ;)
Back to woody ugh! .... a Huge sigh! :P (and nasty cramp :'( damn mooon :o)
Ok, as you now know from my pm to you, DDW....Motek HAS now "seen" AND read your $580 MDMA 'sick' synth .... and IS "more than happy to 'challenge your 'half truths' and 'complete Bullshit, as well as 'argue the chemistry' with you .... this IS, of course. where I MUST post the "MDMA synthesis" I'm pretty confident it IS yours ... the one that's "supposed to make KILOS of mad shards!" according to you .... remember posting this woody?
"All of a sudden posting on an internet message board is not nearly as exciting as the pound of molly they are sitting on. I gota say, selling wholesale molly that you have made is FUCKING FUN. Knowing that you made it yourself and your profit margins are enormous is the best kind of high."
Aha! I was always wondering about those hundreds of sales you have .,... they've all moved on to 'more secure' enviroments from "all the cash they made frrrrom MDMA" the "love drug" the drug that MAKES YOU WANT TO KISS THE GUY WHO MADE/TAUGHT YOU HOW TO FEEL THIS GOOD
Yet not ONE HAS 'updated a review about "kilos (or even grams!) of Mad Shards under the bed making me Fat Stacks bitch, yo :o"
Hmmmm but "how" do you start with 160gms of feedstock (safrole, source, method of acquisition e.g. "steam distilled bark, bought on SR" etc) and "end up" with 6-7 x MORE "product" than the primary precursor you started with? ???
And DONT get me started on how you 'refer your customers to Erowid's Rhodium Archives' for "how to synth their methylamine!"
FFS! That method went out with DMF's "easy availability"
BUT ... thanx to some dreamers, MUCH easier methods ARE out there, which ARE completely 'OTC' to make methtylamine and ammoniun chloride!
And now You NOW are saying "Iodide salts" are getiting hard to find?
No shit sherlock?! When did you find that one out?
As for your 'consulting' which I hear COSTS a pretty centoshi! You still haven't answered that one doc, about 'how' you DO the consulting?!
Im moteks very limited experience, it's usually kinda hard to get answers from ANYONE when shit's gone pearshaped, you've got a runaway on your bench/floor and the shit's JUST ABOUT to hit!
And then the trailer blow up! :o "Na nothing going on here officers, just that damn barbecue booby made had a leaky valve ...and fuckin KA BOOM ! :o lol
What would you suggest here woody? How should one contact you in such a situation? Maybe a spirit medium would work! Or a ouigee board! IIRC it was wadozo who says their NOT to be 'fucked with'
Now the heart o the matter seemed to be
"The fact of the matter is that you just want to troll me and the only thing you have managed to say in 10 pages of babbling is that you THINK my methods dont work. "
Weeelllll woody, I'm prepared to post them AND THEN 'explain the why's and wherefores'
How is the 'Kilo mdma' and the 'sick mdma' guides any different? Why the price difference?
I sent you (woody aka DDW?RP) a PM with a full copy of your "mdma guide" in it, so you KNOW I have it and COULD post it here for free!
And I'll leave it to the other members who enjoy a bit of 'home chemistry' "pick it apart, starting with with the odd ideas and large pieces of important data MISSING, let them look at it and decide for themselves as to whether there ARE ANY UNIQUE "tipa and tricks" (like links to rhodium, maybe? Is that one?) :-\
"WHO GAVE YOU DDW, THE "RIGHT" to SELL what other people POSTED FOR FREE FOR EVERYONE ???
Just becoz you're a greedy sociopathic cunt?
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SELL WHAT OTHERS HAVE GIVEN FOR FREE >:(
It's greedy fucks like you that are everything I despise :) in the 'capitalist ideal' of which you show spades of woody, or should I sat 'shards' of? >:(
Sorry johnny, just had to give this prick ONE LAST WARNING before I post his "mdma guide" and let the flock destroy it ..... and him!
What will it do then? Hmmmm could be an interesting Rxn ;D
Next post IS your BULLSHIT "semi feasible" for someone with a fair "working knowledge" of organic chemistry especially lab techniques et al BUT NOT FOR A NOOB ,,,PLUS it's ALL outdated by almost a decade ::)
I rest my case :P
Thamx for those who gave me their support, much appreciated ... and for all the haters ... "point the finger and you've got 3 pointing back at you" Why do you HATE your lives SO much you attack a person just trying to stop a community of (supposedly 'somewhat likeminded people" But the scammers keep coming AND IT'S UP TO THE HONEST MEMBERS TO DO SOMETHING!
"Evil will triumph when Good Men DO nothing"
G'night and happy aand safe travels on the Road for you All :)
motek
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+1 to you motel!
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yet DDW's synth start with only 160mls of safrole? Are you "scaling up?" Are you scaling up using the stoichiometry of the chemicals/precursors ???
Is this some kind of joke? The guide walks you through how to scale up or down without even having to use stoichiometry. However I took highschool chemistry and would not have a problem doing that if I had to.
And for the CH3NH2 use Hexamethylenetetramine and Hcl to get aluminium chloride and CH3NH2/methyamine wchi will be a gas you will have to dissolve into a solvent, and then weigh it to determine the total amount of CH3NH2 you have 'dissolved' into the solvent ... and it's cheap and easy, very similar in ways to DDW's BUT NO DMF, which isn't available easily in many coutries, the states being an exception ... there are some great methods to synth ALL sorts of chems, at ScienceMadness and much good discussion about doing so and refining methods.... the best english home chemistry sites around .... imo ;)
Yeah I'll just walk down to the hardware store and pick up a few pounds of hexamine no problem bro. Unless you want me to fucking extract it from a billion little fuel tablets or order it online or something equally retarded. I think I'll stick with mildewcide + amonium chloride from HCL + ammonia you twat.
And DONT get me started on how you 'refer your customers to Erowid's Rhodium Archives' for "how to synth their methylamine!"
FFS! That method went out with DMF's "easy availability"
Uh, what the fuck does DMF have to do with this method of making methylamine? You need ammonium chloride, formaldehyde, and chloroform. That's it.
So...Hey woody, are you saying that you and Brian used the SR to do a deal "outside of escrow"! :o
It's called Finalize Early you fucking moron.
Next post IS your BULLSHIT "semi feasible" for someone with a fair "working knowledge" of organic chemistry especially lab techniques et al BUT NOT FOR A NOOB ,,,PLUS it's ALL outdated by almost a decade.
Uh like I've said many times am not only borderline insane but also a chemistry noob and I'm very confident I can pull this off. I you don't have money to gamble I'm more than willing to put up a few thousand if you can put up a human heart. And last time I checked chemical syntheses do not have expiration dates. And frankly, this one appears to be fairly novel and not available on the internet or in chemistry journals. Like I said in the other thread, how about you post the links where one could conglomerate all of the necessary knowledge and references to independently replicate this synthesis? Oh shit forgot you are a terrible armchair chemist.
BAHAHAHAHA!!! ROFLMAO!!! Oh woody really ;D ;D ;D It's becoz that very last POOF you mention is either their house blowing up OR NOTHING HAPPENED and THAT'S WHY NOBODY HAS REPORTED A "successful synth" (of yours)
No one said the synth was bunk.
And after 27 pages, so far NO ONE has come along and said "yep, I got DDW's guides and they worked like a charm!"
Also, I didn't talk about this in the forums but we did have a crack at making MDMA on a small trial scale and it did work but we used the edited version our chemist did of what DDW sent us. I did actually do a thread about it but was in the vendor forum. Although I think, as I've said in a comment perhaps on this thread or elsewhere, can't really remember to be honest that the fellas that did the trial did know what they were doing.
How is the 'Kilo mdma' and the 'sick mdma' guides any different? Why the price difference?
There is no price difference you twat. They are in different categories to maximize his exposure.
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Uh like I've said many times am not only borderline insane but also a chemistry noob and I'm very confident I can pull this off.
I rest my case ;D
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I didn't fe
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Uh like I've said many times am not only borderline insane but also a chemistry noob and I'm very confident I can pull this off.
I rest my case ;D
So your case is that a chemistry Newb who is crazy is incapable doing basic chemistry? Mind explaining how I stock and sell my homemade vacuum distilled alkyl nitrites?
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Uh like I've said many times am not only borderline insane but also a chemistry noob and I'm very confident I can pull this off.
I rest my case ;D
So your case is that a chemistry Newb who is crazy is incapable doing basic chemistry? Mind explaining how I stock and sell my homemade vacuum distilled alkyl nitrites?
Hold on do you vend Poppers on here? I thought poppers were used in gay sex?
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Poppers are great for all sex, not just the gay kind. They are also great for boosting weed and for tripping/rolling; for me me no drug experience is really complete without my little bottle of fun.
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Poppers are great for all sex, not just the gay kind. They are also great for boosting weed and for tripping/rolling; for me me no drug experience is really complete without my little bottle of fun.
Fair enough fella, whatever tickles your giblets I guess. :)
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I saw a story once that claimed poppers and gay sex is how aids came about....
the gays kept weakening something with poppers..
the popper use sheared off a certain part of something I cant remember...something like antibodies or white blood cells or somethin
interesting anyway since motek is the product of gay sex
the original anus born retarded jew
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--- Review of 'Lab Notes: LSD synthesis! Two guides in one! EASY!' ---
This stuff is the real deal, kids. Get it while the candy man's in town!
The most disruptive technology in the game indeed, and a play to change the changing times. May each know the fruit of the grain as their very own.
The keen eye will recognize the many gems in the product description alone. But don't stop there, this thing is packed with goodies.
The 2 in 1 guide I received I found to be clear, concise and packed full of the latest and greatest technologies and processes, and so many useful tips. This stuff is state of the art, from a dude who clearly knows his shit. This is easy to say and easy to blindly claim as false on these forums, but I challenge anyone to reference a comprehensive guide like this of a similar caliber, online or otherwise, on the three subjects covered: claviceps cultivation, LA extraction and LSD synthesis. I say this with confidence because I've tried, and it's not out there, not like this. This stuff is unicorn tears.
On extraction and synthesis:
This guide illustrates the most clear, step by step instructions on extraction that one can find, with the most up to date methods. These methods are light-years beyond using a ton of solvent. Of the two methods illustrated in the guide, the 'old school' one can be found in other available material (in a significantly less user friendly presentation), but option 2, presented as the new hotness, is indeed that.
The synthesis section contains super useful information on sourcing necessary chemicals. And the synthesis guide itself, what a gem; again, unparalleled info. May the world be filled with super pure LSD.
On claviceps cultivation:
Having a legit recipe for synthesizing super clean LSD is a big deal, but easily available, decentralized alkaloid production is the biggest fucking deal ever. This changes everything. I would recommend this guide at it's current price even if this were the only section contained within it, and I would recommend it to any and everyone interested in there being more acid in the world. It's time for us to take the power back, as we are in so many ways, and this is a huge piece to the puzzle. It's time to rock this thing my fellow psychonauts! It's time to grow it yourself!
On consultation services:
To the extent that I have taken advantage of the complementary consultation service offered with DDW's guides, I have found his responses to be quick, clear, friendly, super helpful and very informative. This dude knows his stuff across the full spectrum and is able to explain it well at any level. DDW is one of those rare mad scientists that can speak plain English and is hip with the times. In my opinion the consultation service included with his guides make them priceless.
On safety and noobs:
My impression is that this guide is written both for those who know what they are doing, and for those who know how to learn. The instructions are clear and concise, and do not waste words. I would say that they are written in plain english and easy to follow with some simple lab talk instructions; where a step involves a normal organic chemistry lab process, the process is described succinctly, for example: 'extract with x', 'base with y', 'dry with z', 'pull a hard vacuum…', etc., and these standard operations are not broken down further into exhaustive detail. The clear intent of the guide is that if you do not yet know what one of these processes is or how to perform it, you will look it up, find out what it is and how it is performed, and learn how to perform it yourself in practice. There are infinite resources available to learn from, and some great ones are linked in DDW's vendor profile, and remarkably DDW welcomes you with open arms and is available to point you towards resources or even explain processes in detail. Safety is obviously of concern when working with lab techniques, and even more so when first learning them, but I think blanket and blind discouragement of using these guides as a starting point for new beginners is a disservice to fellow psychonauts and the community at large. Encouragement towards good resources and the right mindset is where it's at. If you're using this guide as a starting point for delving into organic chemistry, then study the hell out of it, and let it be your end goal. Deconstruct the steps and figure out everything you need to learn, and then go learn it. Follow the many great resources and heed good counsel along the way. But disregard naysayers who would squash your dreams, else you might hear them everywhere you go. If you're a noob with big dreams, be one of the noobs that scored a priceless resource and used it to teach themselves how to change the world.
Side note:
This guy is obviously high profile, out there on the leading edge blowing it up, and with balls of steel. And as with any celebrity there is a small amount of noise surrounding him; hysteria, animosity and even some mistrust. This is kind of a bummer, but whatever, it's that time of the yuga. Other than being a happy customer I have no relationship with or vested interested in DDW. I write these words of my own volition and judgement, and my impression of DDW is that he is undoubtedly exactly what he says he is, a professional and experienced clandestine chemist offering great information and consultation for ridiculously cheap prices, and my feeling is that he has a pure heart, the best of intentions and is doing a righteous thing for the world.
The activity around the LSD molecule, for the most part, has always been a sacred space, as it has with the ergoloids for thousands of years before it. Recognize that shit.
Many thanks to DDW and all who have come before him.
Peace, love and acid.
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hi tom ...... or should I say "Hi DDW's marketing troll" hows things Ron?
"Side note:
This guy is obviously high profile, out there on the leading edge blowing it up, and with balls of steel." Really? I believe the "blowing things up" bit however
RP/DDW IS A THIEF ...............THERE IS NOTHING "NEW" IN THESE GUIDES EXCEPT..... MISTAKES!
RonPaul/DrDeepWoob HAS EVEN GONE SO FAR AS TO "OFFER OTHER VENDORS $5000 for motek's ADDRESS!
FFS! Would you want to do ANY business with a person like this? IF he 'thinks' other vendors "keep customer addresses" . . . could it be becoz HE DOES?
A VERY GOOD ARGUMENT FOR THIS GUY BEING LEO LEO LEO LEO HAS BEEN POSTED .....and the guy makes a LOT of sense as to WHY this IS the case!
I wonder how many vendors he HAS "compromised" and are now working with him?
motek most certainly HAS some very 'interesting' pm's from UNKNOWN (to motek, never con tacted by us) VENDORS offering motek FREE DRUGS!
One even "tried to tell me" that we had sent him a pm a month or so ago, which he "forgot about" AND was "So sorry for the late response, you can "choose ANY 3 2c's AND I'lll throw in a few g's of mephedrone" ... or something IDK"
Does anyone believe a vendor would do this? AND, so when I "ask hin to pm me a 'copy' of my pm to him .... he says he "must have deleted it!" ....aha! Of Course! (they HAVE been reported to SR admin)
DIS this mofo in ANY WAY and he wants to send out some "homies" to take (the guide? no) matters into 'their own hands' (which are probably holding guns)
Hey come meet an Eagle, all the way from Israel, and makes things fly! lol
it's your mascot no?
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If anyone tried to get my address is just give it to them and tell em I wish a nigga would like a kitchen cabinet. Lol 2 chains reference.
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So does motek have any actual proof regarding his accusations or is he just going to spam literally every RP thread with the same shit without backing it up?
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so have you made your mdma batch yet?
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also i read the whole 36 page thread about ddw / rp
motek did not bash him as all he did was question and ask the legitimacy of it
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I'm at iodosafrole, I fucked up my whole batch of methylamine with a really dumb mistake. Waiting to find a good opportunity to make methylamine again, I'm probably going to just shelve this project for a while and pay up for the $20 bet. As much as I would love to win this retarded internet fight I have to put my safety/security first and I no longer have access to the location I was doing this all at.
also i read the whole 36 page thread about ddw / rp
motek did not bash him as all he did was question and ask the legitimacy of it
Learn how to read. Do you want me to pull out specific quotes? Just say the word and I will. This is seriously starting to become a waste of my time.
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I'm at iodosafrole, I fucked up my whole batch of methylamine with a really dumb mistake. Waiting to find a good opportunity to make methylamine again, I'm probably going to just shelve this project for a while and pay up for the $20 bet. As much as I would love to win this retarded internet fight I have to put my safety/security first and I no longer have access to the location I was doing this all at.
also i read the whole 36 page thread about ddw / rp
motek did not bash him as all he did was question and ask the legitimacy of it
Learn how to read. Do you want me to pull out specific quotes? Just say the word and I will. This is seriously starting to become a waste of my time.
Hmmm.... Not so easy after all eh...
But Im sure you would have pulled the synth off with ease if you still had access to the location you were working at..
Pffffffftt.... Only one word for it.....................
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Hmmm.... Not so easy after all eh...
But Im sure you would have pulled the synth off with ease if you still had access to the location you were working at..
Pffffffftt.... Only one word for it.....................
I literally got all the way to the end and fucked up because I had two identical jars of stuff right next to eachother. I started to rush because the smell of methylamine was really bad and I wanted to pack up and clean up everything up. In addition, I was getting really paranoid because I had to use an unexpected water source to power my aspirator and it was making me really paranoid. I did not even intend to use an aspirator (despite the fact that it explicitly tells you to use one in the guide) because I had a really strong vacuum pump. I'm pretty sure using the pump to distill off DCM broke my pump and the place I was doing this in did not have any sinks which could be adapted to use an aspirator.
I still have almost all of my Iodosafrole so I'm literally right at the end I just need to take a break for a little bit and clear my mind until I can find a new and more ideal spot. Of all the people on here who flamed me only ONE person bet me anything that I would finish within a certain amount of time (I owe him $20 now). I could really give less of a flying fuck how I'm anonymously perceived on the internet by people who don't even have the balls to put their money where their mouth is. Will I be finishing as soon as I expected? No, I made too many dumb mistakes (remember all my posts where I call myself a brain dead retard? What do you expect) as well as circumstances well out of my control delaying me (SR being hacker attacked and preventing me from getting a key precursor). It's not worth the stress of trying to complete this synthesis within X time because people on the internet are going to make fun of me if I don't. I still expect to finish this, it'll just be on my time. I'll post up some pictures soon (probably today) so you guy's know I'm not bullshiting you, including pictures of the black tar bromosafrole batch which I ended up tossing.
I still stand by my point. If someone who is as inexperienced/dumb/brain damaged/retarded/crazy as me can get as far as I did, and possibly even finish albeit taking much longer than he initially expected, shouldn't this be a cakewalk for someone who is simply above average intelligence and capable of following basic instructions? I mean if I can make methylamine, get all the way to iodosafrole shouldn't any of you (who are all clearly far intellectually superior to me and far more cautious) practically be able to complete this synthesis with your eyes closed?
it's not even like I fucked up my Iodosafrole and had to start over. I just need to find another spot where I can sit there for over 24 hours and prepare more methylamine, which I still have the needed leftover materials to do. I'm never going to be doing it where I live so that's easier said than done.
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yes... pictures would be very nice....
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Well Popper; are we ever going to see those infamous pictures.?
I find it quite funny that you have been defending this synth-route for so long, and more or less been promising evidence that it was doable to a novice, and now you are completely silent!
Did you perhaps discover that the last step could not be done, because of obvious flaws in the guide.?
I actually think it is a shame that this turned out the way it did. When deepwood first came here, i thought he seemed knowledgeable and legit, and i actually kept believing this to be true during a quite large portion of this thread, but later i realized that something was not quite right (i started doing REAL research), and then recently i got my hands on the guide and i must say it was a shocking read!
For a guy that have talked such a big game i think this synth (which for the most part is freely available info), is clearly an embarrassment, to this community!
I am not starting to start up this fight again, but i really feel the urge to warn people against buying this load of crap, partly because the info is freely available (and quite easy to find), but also because it is flawed, and downright an awful synth route!
when i saw the "guide" i actually started to feel bad for all the people that are being deceived when they pay for this!
It really is a shame that this had to turn out this way!
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Well Popper; are we ever going to see those infamous pictures.?
I find it quite funny that you have been defending this synth-route for so long, and more or less been promising evidence that it was doable to a novice, and now you are completely silent!
Did you perhaps discover that the last step could not be done, because of obvious flaws in the guide.?
I actually think it is a shame that this turned out the way it did. When deepwood first came here, i thought he seemed knowledgeable and legit, and i actually kept believing this to be true during a quite large portion of this thread, but later i realized that something was not quite right (i started doing REAL research), and then recently i got my hands on the guide and i must say it was a shocking read!
For a guy that have talked such a big game i think this synth (which for the most part is freely available info), is clearly an embarrassment, to this community!
I am not starting to start up this fight again, but i really feel the urge to warn people against buying this load of crap, partly because the info is freely available (and quite easy to find), but also because it is flawed, and downright an awful synth route!
when i saw the "guide" i actually started to feel bad for all the people that are being deceived when they pay for this!
It really is a shame that this had to turn out this way!
agreed. no noob is gonna synth mdma with no chem experiance. ron paul/ dr deepwood should and probably did know that. if someone wants to learn go to the pirate bay and torrent one of the many free guides on how to do it.
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Yes, you are both correct .... and GO Candy, you are spot on!
Plus, NO ONE "amateur" with NO knowledge of Ochem (that we know) has/can/will "learn" how to synth drugs from some 'guides alone'
Personally we would suggest you seek out some of the "clandestine chemistry" sites for the most up to date info ... personally I wouldn't torrent such things, but hey, that's just me!
Take care everyone, motek's still got many eyes out for you!
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Hey popper, mate it's a lot like cooking a complex dish, or driving skills, sometimes it's hard to put into words the 'skills and experience needed' to bake a light fluffy spongecake, or drift a car or ride a motorbike! :P
It's hard to explain about how "something that "reads so easily" can be SO tricky IRL!! You already experience the pproblem with temperature control for one thing, so simple yet so hard, and with some (many) things, temperature affects yeilds significantly etc etc etc
But good on you for hanging in there, I take back most of the shit I've given you :-[, and we appreciate your honesty,
TBH for a while there we thought you were just bullshitting, now we think from the mistakes you have mentioned, that you have given the synth a go, and as you experienced, things just aren't "that cut and dried" when it comes to Ochem synthesis, sure SOME THINGS ARE, but not this baby, not in todays world at least!
Bottom line, would you NOW say that buying this guide WILL have you "swimming in kilos of shard, in No time?" and that it's "so simple ANYONE with a bit of gumption CAN pull this off?
Take it easy dude, and thanks again for your honesty 8)
m m m motek ;)
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Temperature control is one of the(many) variables that can have a huge influence on yields/success rates. Most people starting out with ochem synth's use a hotplate/stirrer combo'd with an oil/sand bath. Most people who are producing MDMA in any quantity whatsoever are using a heating mantle suited to the size of their RBF. There is a reason why the distinction exists, fractional distillation is often paramount to removing bi-products that may later cause unwanted side reactions. Other variables include adequate stirring, molar ratio of reactants, whether you are using high vacuum silicone grease or just straight vaseline(yeah... I learned that one the hard way.) etc. etc.
In my experience, a fundamental understanding of the reaction is paramount to success, if you can see the reaction taking place and know exactly whats happening, you will always be able to head off any possible fuck-ups BEFORE they take place. Not only is this important in terms of maximizing yields, its absolutely crucial to your own safety.
Regarding information available on the net:
The guide itself(Yes, I have read it) gives you a link to a pretty damn good database of organic synthesis, with the largest section being devoted to the multitude of ways to produce MDMA. Forums discussing such synthesis routes, as well as developing new routes, are somewhat difficult to find, but enough searching will eventually get you in the door.
Hint: The author's of many of these guides are still quite active
As far as reasons for this synth being trash, lets discuss chronologically.
Instead of writing up the production of methylamine, DDW's writeup gives you a link to someone else's method. This wouldn't be too bad, except the author of that guide has been doing large scale synth's for many decades. I have lab notes of his from 1998!
Added to that, he is not a drug cook, he is an extremely talented chemist who currently runs a very popular clearnet forum called sciencemadness, and absolutely detests people who are just looking to make a drug, rather than learning the chemistry.
I'm pretty sure he either has implicit approval from LEO for his experiments, or he's very good friends with someone at the chem supply store. He has access to a seemingly unlimited supply of schedule I and II precursors.
The first paragraph of his methylamine synthesis reads:
Many bees are making methylamine out of hexamine and HCl acid. I think it's very time consuming and HCl is pretty nasty. Thus I have found that one can easily make lots of good quality methylamine from ammonium chloride and formaldehyde (formalin). Only drawback with this method is that one must have good quality formaldehyde. It may have paraformaldehyde sediment in the bottom, it doesn't hurt, not even a bit, but Formaldehyde has to be strong and not some diluted shit, 35-40% is fine.
Someone with a decent amount of lab experience will immediately recognize the importance of the 2nd paragraph. They will immediately understand that the crap they got from the pet shop or the nursery is not gunna cut it(even the stuff they use for cadaver's will have too many impurities.) But most importantly, they will realise that the purpose of this was to circumvent the problems that arose from previous methods when scaling up to 500g+ batches. You should never be doing more than 10g runs unless you have successfully produced the final compound previously. Formaldehyde might not do much damage if you spill half a glass on yourself and quickly wash it off, but when you are boiling off litre+ quantities of the stuff for 6 hours at a time, you could get very very sick from the fumes. Rhodium wrote this for people who already had a decent amount of knowledge of the reaction(It was very well known before this pictorial came out, it just hadn't been scaled up so cleanly) and as a result, were well aware of the risks. A ghetto fume cabinet might be good enough to handle it, but the DDW/RP guide says nothing about the need for it, nor the toxicity of formaldehyde itself.
I also have reservations to the DDW addendum:
During the process you need to hook up your flask to your water aspirator, turn the water on low so that during the process there is a very low amount of bubbling
It's doubtful DDW has ever used a water aspirator for this procedure. If he's doing half the shit he talks about, he's set up with a real nice vac pump and 2 or 3 gas bottle's to catch any suckback from fucking up said pump. This part of the writeup needs to be done in a fairly anhydrous environment or the workup becomes a lot more difficult, a water aspirator adds so many more ways for it to fuck up. At the very least, its worthwhile to go down to the wreckers and pick up an old fridge compressor, they kick a water aspirator's ass every day of the week, and cost around $50 for the entire setup.
I'll leave it at that for now, my fingers are tired and I've been awake far too long as it is, just one final quote from a clearnet website discussing DDW's guide:
Hahaha why would one suggest the addition of h2so4 if the hbr is already created :P is that a joke? The sulfuric is only needed when making hbr in situ with nabr in gaa.
It truly is a laugh... Unless im missing something?
Keep reading bro.
Maybe to dehydrate the mixture for you are not going to successfully brominate safrole with 48% HBr.
This was known 15 years ago and has not changed. The best working procedure is to vent dry HCl-gas into the mixture, H2SO4 is not very good at all, neither for in-situ production nor for dehydration. Those who claim this nonsense are the same who claim HI can be made from H2SO4 and KI/NaI in situ and no surprise the problematic is related.
The bromosafrole route is excellent but not in a form which consists only from shortcuts on shortcuts on wishthinking and negating common chemistry. And 90% yield, what else.
I suppose after this debacle a perfectly good and useful synthesis will again vanish in obstrusity for years to come.
Not bad, but good for those who want to pursue a less common route as the working methods are all known.
Edit: Yo motek, you wouldn't happen to know of any easy ways to buy certain 'metal hydrides' that would be useful to the hobby chemist? I'm pretty sure we are both in the same country, and I've hit a brick wall that requires a more catalytic approach ;).
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Hey fractal nice too see you again 8)
I mustered up a few remarks from a forum I enjoy, that have been made about this kind of stuff, much like Nic's SM approach, these guys have learned from their dreams .... enjoy
P.s FG bro, short answer, "probably not" :P and it depends where you are,, but I may have some ideas ... pm me if you like ;) ;)
Ok enjoy this... :o ;D
Noob asking for help coz he 'can't find the MDA synths...becoz he needs 25 posts to 'get in' this guy stopped at 5, maybe he madee another user name idk
It start's at his fourth comment, and imo the 2 replies sum up what I have been saying here...good luck to you all!
Noob Q;
As you know I want to make MDA, and yes
"the chems are harder to get though, and the cops have their sites honed in on amphetamines and m a
might be easier in the lab but all on all there is a bit more dignity to getting busted doing something that takes alot of skill.
U have a mda synth for me? cmon out with it jb"
And the answer from a friendly senior member;
"There are MDA synths all over the place,
If you can't get the chems, or equipment, or don't have the appropriate skills you simply can't or shouldn't attempt to synth it...
Most importantly I feel that the synths that look the easiest and require the least amount of steps are typically the most difficult to pull off and obtain a decent, let alone a high yielding pure product.
On paper the Leuckart looks like the most simple direct route to MDA... Try pulling this off as your first organic synth in your bedroom, without the proper knowldedge, or relevant experience and you will end up with a flask full of tar, a destroyed vacuum pump, and mild to severe asphyxia.
Not to say that it can't bee done... ;)
Yes, the chems are not as easy to find as they used to bee, however if you truly want them there are ways of obtaining them.
Taken from an old house track that revised the lyrics of an even older pop track...
"Do you really want it? and if you had it would you flaunt it? ... it's yours..."
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And then here's the hard cold truth from a straightshootin VERY senior member
NOTE THE SECOND PARAGRAPH!
"There is a host of material on this site (and others) for your benefit, it has been collected at enormous cost (in time, effort & money) and with no little cost in the freedom of those who have sought out and obtained the same.
They ask nothing more than that you read the same, learn from their mistakes and hopefully avoid making your own.
There are some here who have been working on the problems you have possibly just noticed or ascertained even exist, for over a decade now and their collected wisdom (and otherwise) exists for your perusal.
There are enormous numbers of posts detailing quite comprehensive solutions to the various questions you have, so before you ask that question that is burning away at your conscience, consider how long this group has been around (in one form or the several variations thereon), there is a small, even a minute chance that someone, somewhere at some time, has sought precisely the answer you seek.
USE THE FUCKING SEARCH ENGINE aka UTFSE!
and then this guy really gives him a piece of his mind wrapped around the truth! LOL!
"If you've honestly "earned your wings" - you can fly."
No amount of autoerotic declarations will convince anyone you can fly until you do just that: fly.
You have not flown. I don't care what you think you've done, but you haven't flown anywhere.
Not here, and not at "the V". I don't care what you've "made" (nope, not even MDxx) if you think you've earned your wings, you're dead wrong.
I know you haven't flown because I am on the ground; I have seen your attempts at flight - I have seen you posting things you found on Rhodium like its a big fucking deal. "Hey bees look what I found!!" - that goddamn website was put together by BEES. Guess what?
they already freaking know. There's a reason you haven't seen them talking about that mechanism. ======> IT SUCKS
IFF (if, and only if) you DO NOT CARE if anyone on this or any other board helps you or otherwise "reveals their secrets" (lol, as if ANY of this stuff was secret. "Written in a book" = "secret" in the age of the internet), then you should be sure to do any/all of the following: post drunk/stoned, be a ceaseless asshole, challenge senior members with absolutely nothing save a glass of John (or Jon) Courage standing in your corner to back you up.
BUT you'd better not expect any quarter from said senior members when you post your "experimental procedure" of mixing NAOH, nitromethane and dH2O in a plastic soda bottle like you think that's gonna make you any amount of usable methylamine.
I understand it's easy to get pissed off when a senior member slaps you down telling you "that's fucking retarded", but your personal bullshit feelings of emasculation don't make them any less correct.
"Earning your wings" is much like achieving enlightenment (in the Buddhist sense) - it is an instant realization of the completeness of an ultimate truth. That's really as specific as I can bee; and no I do not have to bee "enlightened" to bee able to understand and define the separation that exists between myself and those who are.
I could probably spend a lot of time going through good writeups and shitty writeups; or good, novel ideas and shitty novel ideas (fiction, lol), but if one cannot accept the above statement, no amount of explanation or hand-holding will benefit anyone.
The last thing I have to say (and this last part may be slightly directed at Mr. Shake ::) but i see lots of newbees doing it too) posting retarded bullshit while you're drunk and then posting an apology for it doesn't change shit.
This may look like the internet, but it's just a real as face-to-face interaction.
If you get blackout drunk and call your girl a fucking bitch slut-whore, then wake up the next day and tell her "oh I better quit drinking and talking...should be a crime LOL" - does she forgive and forget?
So folks, that's a smidge of the variety you can GET FOR FREE if you truly want to 'make your own wings and fly'
Good luck to all of you who try, just dont fly too close to the sun!
So long and good luck all, don't forget, 'knowledge is power, seek and you shall find'
And PLEASE BE CAREFUL if you go down this road, it's changed a great deal in the past 10 years! It was always 'dangerous, in an Uncle Fester kind of way, but now LE are MORE dangerous than H2S
m m m motek ;)