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Title: Ethical uses for a Master Key
Post by: Pax on May 17, 2013, 08:13 am
I am getting a free master key saw the listing and could not pass it up but now like must things i ordered i am having a moral deliumea of how or if to use it. Now I  know everyone defines morality differently and that is what will make this interesting. So I feel if you are doing no harm it is ethical so for example using open  or cracking wifi should not be illegal but stealing someones router for your own home is. Taking drugs in  your own home legal. Forcing someone else to take drugs without there knowlege or consent illegal. Around those terms what would be an ethical use of a master key?
Title: Re: Ethical uses for a Master Key
Post by: oldcactushand on May 17, 2013, 02:03 pm
It completely depends on the context and circumstance.

If I live on an island with 100 people, 99 of whom are starving, including myself. Everyday the leader known as the Bread Baron gives us a small amount of bread, just enough to keep us working for him. But he has so much bread, most of it goes mouldy, he just uses it to taunt us and make false promises. Sometimes he promises cake too. There has never been cake. Not even a crumb. Nobody knows if he ever really had cake... In this case, using a master key to take some bread from him is justified by my necessity and his lack of it.

The world does tend to be slightly more complicated than that though, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Ethical uses for a Master Key
Post by: jackofspades on May 17, 2013, 09:19 pm
It completely depends on the context and circumstance.

If I live on an island with 100 people, 99 of whom are starving, including myself. Everyday the leader known as the Bread Baron gives us a small amount of bread, just enough to keep us working for him. But he has so much bread, most of it goes mouldy, he just uses it to taunt us and make false promises. Sometimes he promises cake too. There has never been cake. Not even a crumb. Nobody knows if he ever really had cake... In this case, using a master key to take some bread from him is justified by my necessity and his lack of it.

The world does tend to be slightly more complicated than that though, unfortunately.

+1 for the analogy i havent heard that before, but yeah circumstances mean more than what someone else's ethics or morals tell you.
Title: Re: Ethical uses for a Master Key
Post by: PerPETualMOtion on May 18, 2013, 03:01 am
I am getting a free master key saw the listing and could not pass it up but now like must things i ordered i am having a moral deliumea of how or if to use it. Now I  know everyone defines morality differently and that is what will make this interesting. So I feel if you are doing no harm it is ethical so for example using open  or cracking wifi should not be illegal but stealing someones router for your own home is. Taking drugs in  your own home legal. Forcing someone else to take drugs without there knowlege or consent illegal. Around those terms what would be an ethical use of a master key?

Digital vs. Physical Property

Radio, phone lines, WiFi, routers, relays, repeaters, cell towers, satellites, etc. are all in the public domain. They are the public commons. Consumers tolerate the electromagnetic invasion because they are provided services. Those services turn billions of dollars in profits. Cracking WiFi is no crime when WiFi invades your personal property--including your person (central nervous system); it's no different than wanting clean air or clean water.... If people are forcing clean air into my house, then I'm going to breathe that air. It's a fact of life.

Now, physical property... a "master key"... Just don't be a dick and go stealing my remote control when I'm at work, you fucking cunt. If I ever catch you hiding my remote control from me, I'm going to kill you. Do you really think you can trick me into thinking that I left the remote behind the toaster? What the fuck would I be doing behind the toaster with my remote?

On second thought, you are an immoral bastard. Stay the fuck out of my house, you remote control-hiding communist.
Title: Re: Ethical uses for a Master Key
Post by: jackofspades on May 18, 2013, 08:01 am
I am getting a free master key saw the listing and could not pass it up but now like must things i ordered i am having a moral deliumea of how or if to use it. Now I  know everyone defines morality differently and that is what will make this interesting. So I feel if you are doing no harm it is ethical so for example using open  or cracking wifi should not be illegal but stealing someones router for your own home is. Taking drugs in  your own home legal. Forcing someone else to take drugs without there knowlege or consent illegal. Around those terms what would be an ethical use of a master key?

Digital vs. Physical Property

Radio, phone lines, WiFi, routers, relays, repeaters, cell towers, satellites, etc. are all in the public domain. They are the public commons. Consumers tolerate the electromagnetic invasion because they are provided services. Those services turn billions of dollars in profits. Cracking WiFi is no crime when WiFi invades your personal property--including your person (central nervous system); it's no different than wanting clean air or clean water.... If people are forcing clean air into my house, then I'm going to breathe that air. It's a fact of life.

Now, physical property... a "master key"... Just don't be a dick and go stealing my remote control when I'm at work, you fucking cunt. If I ever catch you hiding my remote control from me, I'm going to kill you. Do you really think you can trick me into thinking that I left the remote behind the toaster? What the fuck would I be doing behind the toaster with my remote?

On second thought, you are an immoral bastard. Stay the fuck out of my house, you remote control-hiding communist.

HAHA!!! +1 literally made me lol ... i don't think he'd target you or your remote...especially after this ^^  at least i wouldn't :)

and the clean air/wi-fi analogy made a lot of sense to me, in fact i am now going to go steal peoples wi-fi just because you made me believe its now my right to do so 8) thanks for that @ PerPETualMOtion !!
Title: Re: Ethical uses for a Master Key
Post by: Pax on May 18, 2013, 09:57 am
I am getting a free master key saw the listing and could not pass it up but now like must things i ordered i am having a moral deliumea of how or if to use it. Now I  know everyone defines morality differently and that is what will make this interesting. So I feel if you are doing no harm it is ethical so for example using open  or cracking wifi should not be illegal but stealing someones router for your own home is. Taking drugs in  your own home legal. Forcing someone else to take drugs without there knowlege or consent illegal. Around those terms what would be an ethical use of a master key?

Digital vs. Physical Property

Radio, phone lines, WiFi, routers, relays, repeaters, cell towers, satellites, etc. are all in the public domain. They are the public commons. Consumers tolerate the electromagnetic invasion because they are provided services. Those services turn billions of dollars in profits. Cracking WiFi is no crime when WiFi invades your personal property--including your person (central nervous system); it's no different than wanting clean air or clean water.... If people are forcing clean air into my house, then I'm going to breathe that air. It's a fact of life.

Now, physical property... a "master key"... Just don't be a dick and go stealing my remote control when I'm at work, you fucking cunt. If I ever catch you hiding my remote control from me, I'm going to kill you. Do you really think you can trick me into thinking that I left the remote behind the toaster? What the fuck would I be doing behind the toaster with my remote?

On second thought, you are an immoral bastard. Stay the fuck out of my house, you remote control-hiding communist.
  hey take it easy I would never have the balls to break into someone elses house let alone hide there remote control lol. I mean I have one coming to me baring the fact that it might not arrive or it might not work. Are you saying their really is no use for it that falls under my grounds of moralty should I just throw it away seems like a wast but if it keeps me out of trouble. I am just trying to find a legitimate or at least partily legitimate use for this?
Title: Re: Ethical uses for a Master Key
Post by: oldcactushand on May 18, 2013, 10:03 am
Again, it completely depends on circumstance. If someone locks you in a room against your will, then you have found a legitimate use for the key. If you end up starving and homeless and you can go and grab some bread from walmart, you've found a legitimate use for the key (in my opinion, I'm sure others including perhaps DPR would disagree with this).

I don't really know anything about master keys and what they work on, if they work on everything etc. But I'm sure you could do some awesome 'urban exploring' with one of these.

But if you're looking for someone to tell you "stealing is okay" then you really need to rethink your perspective on this. You need to decide what is right and wrong for yourself. Is there anything specific you have in mind for the key?
Title: Re: Ethical uses for a Master Key
Post by: Pax on May 18, 2013, 10:19 am
Again, it completely depends on circumstance. If someone locks you in a room against your will, then you have found a legitimate use for the key. If you end up starving and homeless and you can go and grab some bread from walmart, you've found a legitimate use for the key (in my opinion, I'm sure others including perhaps DPR would disagree with this).

I don't really know anything about master keys and what they work on, if they work on everything etc. But I'm sure you could do some awesome 'urban exploring' with one of these.

But if you're looking for someone to tell you "stealing is okay" then you really need to rethink your perspective on this. You need to decide what is right and wrong for yourself. Is there anything specific you have in mind for the key?
nah man not really looking for justification to steal. I know it is wrong and that is why I posted this more as a what are you using your master key for if you have ordered one off of here for.I Dont really know how the work to be honest or if they will work on anything near me IT WAS FREE!!!!!!  "Urban Exploring"?   
Title: Re: Ethical uses for a Master Key
Post by: oldcactushand on May 18, 2013, 10:27 am
Yeah fair enough man. As I said, sometimes stealing can be okay, imo. But yeah I get ya, what is everyone else doing with theirs? I suspect others might be less concerned about ethics than yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_exploration

If a master key is a key that opens everything (i don't even know... is that even possible?) then this is one of the first things I'd be thinking about. Illegal, but ethical and potentially awesome.
Title: Re: Ethical uses for a Master Key
Post by: blueveil on May 18, 2013, 01:19 pm
The key is for AUS mailboxes you twits.......... FFS how many assholes care if you have a mailbox key you can't figure out.
Title: Re: Ethical uses for a Master Key
Post by: oldcactushand on May 18, 2013, 01:31 pm
well i feel very silly now. of course there isn't a key for everything.
Title: Re: Ethical uses for a Master Key
Post by: abitpeckish on May 18, 2013, 05:19 pm
I am getting a free master key saw the listing and could not pass it up but now like must things i ordered i am having a moral deliumea of how or if to use it. Now I  know everyone defines morality differently and that is what will make this interesting. So I feel if you are doing no harm it is ethical so for example using open  or cracking wifi should not be illegal but stealing someones router for your own home is. Taking drugs in  your own home legal. Forcing someone else to take drugs without there knowlege or consent illegal. Around those terms what would be an ethical use of a master key?

Quote from: abitpeckish
The moralities in this thread smell pretty awful, from a glance. I'm going to absorb the thread so far to post a more meaningful reply, but I wanted to start by pointing something out.

I take this back. I should have simply posted the below, as a 2nd glance illuminates to me that I completely missed the mark and was reacting to something that didn't exist. I apologize. The below still stands, however, and should have been the only thing I wrote.

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Now I  know everyone defines morality differently and that is what will make this interesting.

While this may be an accurate description, it does not mean that all moralities are equally good. Morality is concerned with the well-being of conscious life, and a "well-being quotient" can be reasonably understood through the facts of the cosmos. In other words, some moralities are definitely worse than others and we can say this with varying degrees of confidence. Once a person understands this simple fact they should be able to discern what is ethical and what is not, provided they have relatively normative brains. In other words, you already have a pretty good idea as to what would be ethical. Your actions may or may not be influenced by a concern with ethics, but the ethical value of these actions is what it is. If you act unethically, you have acted unethically. We must stop tricking ourselves into thinking otherwise.