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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Mumbles on July 15, 2012, 01:15 pm

Title: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Mumbles on July 15, 2012, 01:15 pm
Anyone know the answer to this?

I'm quite lucky...i can get superb quality gear from a guy i have..but he recently ran into **Cough** "Legal troubles" so would be nice to have some other options.

However the prices on SR seem to be silly money. Most products with good reviews are £80 + on the G. Thats just stupid. Why would anyone take a risk on that when good quality, lab tested MDMA can be bought for £25??

So heres a message to u coke vendors...start droppin yer prices. Otherwise a savvy vendor is eventually gonna turn up with good shit for dirt cheap and you'll loose your market share. Already seen it happen in the MD market.

I sure as hell aint spending £50 unless its a sure thing....
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Knomo on July 15, 2012, 01:20 pm
So heres a message to u coke vendors...start droppin yer prices. Otherwise a savvy vendor is eventually gonna turn up with good shit for dirt cheap and you'll loose your market share. Already seen it happen in the MD market.


There is this Brazilian vendor who's selling for like 40$/gram
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Mumbles on July 15, 2012, 01:22 pm
No waaay!!??

Who?  :D
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Knomo on July 15, 2012, 01:27 pm
His name is LiberPater, but he does sell out FAST (obviously). Think his last listings didn't even last 12hours before everything was gone.

Just keep an eye on his feedback thread and add him to your favorite vendors on the Road so you can see when hes listings are back up ;)

Oh yeah, you do need some patience tho, cause Brazil postal service isn't that quick.. :P 2-3weeks at least
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: curious_eltern on July 15, 2012, 01:35 pm
Because some people understand the value in having something high quality delivered right to their mailbox without having to step foot into the drug game.

To me, this is well worth the 100% markup on cocaine. I pay the prices with a smile on my face.
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Limetless on July 15, 2012, 01:55 pm
Cocaine is expensive because of the economic factors that go into the production of the drug itself and then the level of difficulties to distribute and retail it in an efficient manner. That's all there is to it. :)
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: numbering on July 15, 2012, 02:00 pm
Cocaine is expensive because of the economic factors that go into the production of the drug itself and then the level of difficulties to distribute and retail it in an efficient manner. That's all there is to it. :)

You missed the high demand. Nobody would care about the high distribution costs if there were no interest in C.
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Studio54 on July 15, 2012, 02:21 pm
His name is LiberPater, but he does sell out FAST (obviously). Think his last listings didn't even last 12hours before everything was gone.

Just keep an eye on his feedback thread and add him to your favorite vendors on the Road so you can see when hes listings are back up ;)

Oh yeah, you do need some patience tho, cause Brazil postal service isn't that quick.. :P 2-3weeks at least

Bump for LiberPater... good dude, and the quality reviews have been good thus far. When your that close to the "source" of the cocaine manufacturing capital of the world, you can buy for $20 a gram (uncut) and sell for $45 a gram and still make a killing.. but you gotta have coins sitting in your SR account ready to go, cause his postings last only a short while..
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Limetless on July 15, 2012, 02:23 pm
Cocaine is expensive because of the economic factors that go into the production of the drug itself and then the level of difficulties to distribute and retail it in an efficient manner. That's all there is to it. :)

You missed the high demand. Nobody would care about the high distribution costs if there were no interest in C.

No I didn't, that comes under difficulties of distribution lol.
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Studio54 on July 15, 2012, 02:50 pm
Cocaine is expensive because of the economic factors that go into the production of the drug itself and then the level of difficulties to distribute and retail it in an efficient manner. That's all there is to it. :)

Correct.. it's the one product that is grown, cultivated and manufactured in the eastern part of South America. Thanks a lot to the American govt, and the partnerships they have formed with the govt of Columbia to crack down on coca farms by spraying green killing chemical agents over hundreds of acres of coca fields.. DEA helicopters flying hundreds of missions to raid HCL labs hidden deep in the jungles.. its all bullshit, all this damn work over a plant..

Marijuana i can get some seeds and grow plants in my back bedroom and under the right lighting conditions i can grow hundreds of plans..
Meth -- you can literally make yourself with some knowledge in chemistry and access to the right materials.
GHB - you can make on you own

and so on and so on...

The quality of today's Cocaine is prob a 7 out 10 at best... Just b/c there is much more of a rush the mfg process of the cocaine, package it, and get it to the market before the DEA raids your lab in the jungle. Back in the 1970's and 80's there was no rush, they could spend weeks processing and creating batches that were of the finest quality known to man..  We dont live in that kind of world anymore, unfortunate but true.. The price of cocaine doubles, triples, the farther north it travels from the source.. When i am in Panama i buy for $20 a gram and its right off the brick, i know it puro b/c the mexican cartels havent had a chance to get their hands on it and cut it.. 
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Limetless on July 15, 2012, 03:10 pm
Also, when people think economic factors they normally think strictly in terms of production when there is a much wider range of things that go into it. You have to take into account how many bribes you gotta pay out, paying your hitmen, buying arms, security and all the other crazy shit that cartels get up to.
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: curious_eltern on July 15, 2012, 03:28 pm
Also, when people think economic factors they normally think strictly in terms of production when there is a much wider range of things that go into it. You have to take into account how many bribes you gotta pay out, paying your hitmen, buying arms, security and all the other crazy shit that cartels get up to.

Shit like this almost makes me think twice when snorting a line... Almost.

Coca cola costs pennies on the dollar when you compare manufacturing costs to retail. Given the common name coke it's a good example.
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Studio54 on July 15, 2012, 03:34 pm
Also, when people think economic factors they normally think strictly in terms of production when there is a much wider range of things that go into it. You have to take into account how many bribes you gotta pay out, paying your hitmen, buying arms, security and all the other crazy shit that cartels get up to.

yep.. this is exactly why the American ideology "the war on drugs" is stupid. it takes a lot of effort now a days to bring tons of cocaine into the United States, the cartels are always going to win as long as there are people to pay off to look the other way.

The governments of Panama, Costa Rica, Guatemala are all working to find a way to deal with the drug trade. Being that, their countries account for close to 90% of the drugs coming from S.America come through their country and there has to be a way to deal with it.. I have collected numerous news papers from those countries when i visit there, all the talk of them leaning toward legalizing a certain amount.. They know its coming through their countries, and they simply do not have the man power, money, or resources to combat the huge flood of narco trafficking
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: numbering on July 15, 2012, 03:56 pm
So is there any big "drug boss" known?
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Studio54 on July 15, 2012, 04:04 pm
So is there any big "drug boss" known?

The only "known" drug boss is 'el chapo guzman'.. who is still running shit
The strongest cartel and the most influential is the Sinaloan Cartel. There is also The Gulf Cartel, Los Zetas Cartel, the now extinct Tijuana Cartel, Juarez Cartel, (mostly extinct) Familia Michoacana, The Knights Templar Cartel, Now extinct beltran Leyva cartel and some small gangs that enforce the cartels orders and rules. But we do not know who the heads of these cartels are.. doesnt matter, cause once we take one down, someone else steps up in their place.
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: RicFlairIsGod86 on July 15, 2012, 07:16 pm
El Chapo is propped up by the CIA. No one will EVER get close, much less take him out. It ain't gonna happen unless The Company wants it. His security border is a 50 mile radius.


Boliviana Negra is a recently discovered strain of Coca that is pretty much immune to Roundup (what the US government uses to spray Coca fields). Cuttings of it are propagating all over South America. Apparently there have been a few ganja plants found to be Roundup-immune too, but these are waaaay newer than Boliviana Negra, so not much at all is known about them.
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Studio54 on July 15, 2012, 07:26 pm
El Chapo is propped up by the CIA. No one will EVER get close, much less take him out. It ain't gonna happen unless The Company wants it. His security border is a 50 mile radius.

They captured his son..
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on July 15, 2012, 07:28 pm
reasons:


(find & replace http for hxxp :)
hxxp://article.wn.com/view/2012/06/28/Venezuela_seizes_48_tons_of_liquid_cocaine/

hxxp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-18551573

just a sample of news thats out there, the 48 tonnes has gotta hurt supply ...fucking hell...

What i could do with 48 tonnes?!


TWM
 
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Studio54 on July 15, 2012, 07:33 pm

What i could do with 48 tonnes?!

Party ever fucking day of your life, and retire on your own private island.
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on July 15, 2012, 07:43 pm

What i could do with 48 tonnes?!

Party ever fucking day of your life, and retire on your own private island.

- dont know how long it would keep def right m8 would have a couple kilos for 1st few months...haha
- seriously, i'd ensure it gets distributed.


TWM
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: joepinko on July 15, 2012, 07:45 pm
When I lived in London, I never really came across good coke. It was real expensive. However, I could get great MDMA cheap whenever. Now, where I live coke is super super cheap (40 a gram for good stuff) but its very hard to find psychedelics nowadays. I try to stay away from the cocaine for the most part, its just so easy to get and so tempting to keep going, then you end up with a 200+ dollar plus night because you are buying drinks for everybody and sharing the goods.

Its all about location. Plus, when I was over in London I thought I was in the 70s. You guys were going nuts for it. I live in a crack cocaine devastated city, and I am sure that stuff will start rearing its head around over in the UK eventually.

Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: hubbabubba on July 15, 2012, 07:51 pm
I love LiberPater's patter; "I'm the one you pray for when you want some coke."  8)
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Buho on July 15, 2012, 08:05 pm
Supply and demand. People think its worth paying that much.

I personally dont find it that good. I´ve had gear from different sources and it never gives me any euphoria or boost in confidence. It makes me very tense and nervous. No idea why. I still like doing it, guess its the "ritual" I like more than the actual substance. I have become accustomed to its weird numbing chemical smell. Even though it doesnt give me the "king of the hill" feeling I can still feel the addictiveness. I have about half a gram left, after that I am gonna give it a rest for a while. Possible even quit.
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Studio54 on July 15, 2012, 10:13 pm
Supply and demand. People think its worth paying that much.

I personally dont find it that good. I´ve had gear from different sources and it never gives me any euphoria or boost in confidence. It makes me very tense and nervous. No idea why. I still like doing it, guess its the "ritual" I like more than the actual substance. I have become accustomed to its weird numbing chemical smell. Even though it doesnt give me the "king of the hill" feeling I can still feel the addictiveness. I have about half a gram left, after that I am gonna give it a rest for a while. Possible even quit.

Buho, have you tried 'washed' cocaine?
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: 0leguide0 on July 15, 2012, 10:21 pm
Why is Coke soooo expensive??

Because even if it"s expensive people still buy it.
So simple to understand.
Why should I sell a G for 50$ if I am sure to sell it for 80$?

We just need more South American seller like LP.
 Not Colombian coz too risky for custom. But Bolivian, Peruvian...people could be great seller as well
Just be patient... wait.... they will come and everybody will be happy
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Mumbles on July 15, 2012, 11:11 pm
I suppose i've started wondering more about coke competing with other drugs since coming across S.R.

You see a few years ago, what we get high on would be more about what we could get rather than what we want. The rise and fall of your average street dealer would usually take place over a 12 month period. And even if they were still goin, their product would never stay the same.

So would always be about availability. These days however its all here and when i have bitcoins in my account i find it hard to spend on coke. I guess i just dont see it as a £60 high. I've had all kinds of stuff from all around the world...and quite a bit has been pretty good. But even at its best, i find it leaves alot to be desired. In fact the best thing i can really say for it...is you can function the next day

If it was half the price...would prob be more tempted.....



Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: LiberPater on July 15, 2012, 11:35 pm
Even me, I ask this question to myself. Why the hell cocaine nowadays is so expensive? I remember it was much cheaper at end of 80's and the prices didn't change so fast, and it was the peak of brazilian inflation! Does somebody knows if it was cheaper in USA/Europe too? Now it's getting more and more expensive and we don't have a uncontrolled inflation anymore.

It's overpriced at USA and Europe because they are far away from the first link in the chain. More hands the cocaine pass through, more it will be cut and expensive. Colombia, Bolivia and some cities of Peru cocaine is cheaper than weed.

The same reason my motherfucker md supplier charges me 250brls [around US$125 and now dollar is high] for 1g of his stuff.
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: LiberPater on July 16, 2012, 12:13 am
where I live coke is super super cheap but its very hard to find psychedelics nowadays. I try to stay away from the cocaine for the most part, its just so easy to get and so tempting to keep going, then you end up with a 200+ dollar plus night because you are buying drinks for everybody and sharing the goods.

Its all about location. I live in a crack cocaine devastated city
Are you my fake profile or what?
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: LiberPater on July 16, 2012, 12:14 am
The quality of today's Cocaine is prob a 7 out 10 at best... Just b/c there is much more of a rush the mfg process of the cocaine, package it, and get it to the market before the DEA raids your lab in the jungle. Back in the 1970's and 80's there was no rush, they could spend weeks processing and creating batches that were of the finest quality known to man..  We dont live in that kind of world anymore, unfortunate but true.. The price of cocaine doubles, triples, the farther north it travels from the source.. When i am in Panama i buy for $20 a gram and its right off the brick, i know it puro b/c the mexican cartels havent had a chance to get their hands on it and cut it..
That's the answer it is so expensive nowadays...
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: LiberPater on July 16, 2012, 12:19 am
I love LiberPater's patter; "I'm the one you pray for when you want some coke."  8)
8)
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Holly on July 16, 2012, 12:40 am
I love LiberPater's patter; "I'm the one you pray for when you want some coke."  8)
8)

Amen to that  8)
all about location
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: LiberPater on July 16, 2012, 12:46 am
We just need more South American seller like LP.
 Not Colombian coz too risky for custom. But Bolivian, Peruvian...people could be great seller as well
Just be patient... wait.... they will come and everybody will be happy
Although Colombia is the biggest cocaine manufacturer, you can't grow coca in Colombia. Peru is the biggest coca producer and Bolivia the second. There is a south route too, that I would consider better in many ways.

First time I saw silkroad, I was impressed with the huge implied potential. It's not about buying drugs safely without leaving home. It's about buy drugs closer to the first link in the chain, what means it will be much cheaper than your local dealer keeping the purer quality. In some cases, you can buy some grams more and sell to close friends without risk and do drugs for free.

I didn't open this precedent, because there is a guy selling hash directly from India, maybe in the future some from Morocco/Pakistan/Turkey (I know these places hash is ridiculous cheap, but don't know the exactly price). Maybe some guy who produce the synthetics himself start to sell for really cheap prices. And maybe, the dream of many people here, an afghan dealer of heroin and opium. Afghanistan could be considered flagged in another level, not only about H, but everything, but some other country not too flagged that H is very cheap.
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Limetless on July 16, 2012, 01:47 am
I so my own Meph and yeah SR is handy to be able to get quality out. Most Meph in the U.K ain't even Meph.
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Red-Out on July 16, 2012, 03:48 am
How come I can get good coke for waayyy cheaper on the streets than the bad quality coke on the here. The traphouses here stay stocked, why can't the vendors? I understand that its not easy being a vendor but if you can't provide affordable product that is good quality than why even do it? If my dealer new about tor they would all be out of business lol
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: smokeweed420 on July 16, 2012, 06:27 am
your paying for the quality. where i live its 40$ a g but its max 50% pure so its a toss up really.
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Discordian on July 16, 2012, 09:17 am
How come I can get good coke for waayyy cheaper on the streets than the bad quality coke on the here. The traphouses here stay stocked, why can't the vendors? I understand that its not easy being a vendor but if you can't provide affordable product that is good quality than why even do it? If my dealer new about tor they would all be out of business lol

What are you waiting for? Show him about encryption and then tor and then SR. Or just middle man it.
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Buho on July 16, 2012, 03:29 pm
Supply and demand. People think its worth paying that much.

I personally dont find it that good. I´ve had gear from different sources and it never gives me any euphoria or boost in confidence. It makes me very tense and nervous. No idea why. I still like doing it, guess its the "ritual" I like more than the actual substance. I have become accustomed to its weird numbing chemical smell. Even though it doesnt give me the "king of the hill" feeling I can still feel the addictiveness. I have about half a gram left, after that I am gonna give it a rest for a while. Possible even quit.

Buho, have you tried 'washed' cocaine?

No I havent. Maybe its the levamisole or some shit. Who knows?
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Studio54 on July 16, 2012, 03:33 pm

No I havent. Maybe its the levamisole or some shit. Who knows?

Its quite possible it could be levamisole, depending on where you are, it could be in the supply you are getting.. Are you USA or on Europe?
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Buho on July 16, 2012, 03:40 pm

No I havent. Maybe its the levamisole or some shit. Who knows?

Its quite possible it could be levamisole, depending on where you are, it could be in the supply you are getting.. Are you USA or on Europe?

Europe. In the early days on the road I had some coke from good ol´ U S of A. Didnt do much but it was a bit yellowish. Never seen coke like that after that.
Title: Re: Why is Coke soooo expensive??
Post by: Red-Out on July 16, 2012, 08:37 pm
How come I can get good coke for waayyy cheaper on the streets than the bad quality coke on the here. The traphouses here stay stocked, why can't the vendors? I understand that its not easy being a vendor but if you can't provide affordable product that is good quality than why even do it? If my dealer new about tor they would all be out of business lol

What are you waiting for? Show him about encryption and then tor and then SR. Or just middle man it.
Lol I can just imagine that... his product description would be "N*** dis dha shyt rite hur