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Market => Product offers => Topic started by: flipside on May 30, 2012, 11:58 pm

Title: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: flipside on May 30, 2012, 11:58 pm
Greetings friends!

At this 'specific' moment in space-time, we only have access to viaLs.

Blotter is obviously far easier to trade in smaller amounts online, and is our preferred method of playing with that Diamond in the Sky. ;)

(And we should have more in stock shortly.)

However, instead of being dicks and attempting to drop vials on some pretty blotter, we can (at this time) only offer 'quality assured' to be (at the 'very' least) 100+ ug per dribble.

Unsure of the exact ML amount per vial at this time, but awaiting a single vial for Flipside 'quality assurance' shortly. But this is direct from a VERY reliable, quality source we have worked with for many, MANY years. All orders would ship directly from the same domestic partner.

We would prefer to not even attempt to divide even just one vial in 'half', to avoid any possible disputes over miniscule variances in received ML amounts, ect, and for this reason can only offer full vials at $700/each.

If you view our profile page, you will see we do not normally trade in such large amounts, so we could only offer this to members willing to FE.

This would be a domestic offer only, and USPS Priority Mail with DCN would be required as well so there are no disputes over delivery from either party. This is why we would require FE. If your orders shows up as never being delivered we could offer a 50% refund. We have however 'never' had a domestic order be intercepted in our many years of experience.

If you are interested, please visit our profile page for contact information. :

http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/a7613ed1db

We will ONLY accept GPG encrypted communications on this offer. Period!

All orders will of course be processed thru the SR ordering system as usual, and we will simply post a custom listing for you.

We just wanted to see how much interest there might be in such an offer before posting a listing,

So thank you all very much for you feedback/input. ;)

Peace. ;)

The Flipside Crew
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: CapnJack on May 31, 2012, 12:42 am
I know 3-4 people who would be interested in a full vial but the FE would drive them away.  If ya change your requirements, shoot me a pm on SR and I will spread the word.
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: trollsquad on May 31, 2012, 01:44 am
Yeah sadly FE scares people from buying anything. I'm in the search for lsd but i'm trying to stay in escrow! Good luck hopefully you will get some buyers and we can hear some reviews!
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: flipside on May 31, 2012, 02:06 am
Yeah..

We TOTALLY understand. Which is also why we posted the offer 'here' before listing anything.

We just feel our feedback speaks for itself at this point. (on top of a 50% refund with DCN.)

Just sayin'. We've been around for 'far' too long, yet have made a bit of beer money since setting up shop here on the Road.

Just view our feedback and do the math. $700 is nothing.

But completely understandable. And exactly the response we expected.

It's truly more the fact that we would like to offer $7 hits vs. the ("are you fucking kidding me? $27 per hit?") from other domestic offerings we would like to change. And also the reason we normally don't play with such large numbers, as mentioned. 10 strips are normally our limit as you can tell. And $9 per hit was honestly the best we could do on our last sheet.

But until we have more blotter to offer....this is what we can. That's all. :)

Just wanted some feedback is all.

So thanks! ;)

Peace

TFC
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: CapnJack on May 31, 2012, 02:20 am
I fully agree you have great prices and other L is FAR TOO EXPENSIVE here.  I am in NO way calling you a scammer but there have been a good vendors that have had amazing reviews, required FE, and then the scamming began.  This is why it might be hard to get people to do this.  I wish you the best of luck and wish I had the balls to take you up on the offer because I'm all out of my personal stash right now and looking to restock in time for the good summer months.
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: Devaney1984 on May 31, 2012, 02:29 am
Yeah it's a shame about the FE! I've only been here for 3 or 4 months and the number of trusted sellers who have went out w/large amounts of FE acid is pretty insane.  I can count three this spring alone,  people would have to have pretty huge balls and be okay with risking a chunk of change to trust anyone in that situation... not saying you'd screw anyone over, but 120 transactions and 2 months here is less than lots of vendors gone bad.

Also doesn't really matter if you offer 50% refunds, since if you were to pull a fast one you'd be long gone way before someone could get any BTC back and there is no resolution on FE orders anyway unless I'm missing something.

Edit:  I actually have been trying to think of a situation where everything didn't go to shit when a vendor has required FE on sheets of L in the past 4 months... I cannot recall a single one who is still here today after doing that except for Tony, who stayed around for maybe another four weeks after he first started with sheets, but we all know how that turned out--he was just waiting to open up t-mart and allow international orders.  Ugh.
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: flipside on May 31, 2012, 02:41 am
We have considered dropping hits on smarties, ect, but that is (as we all know) NOT a very good way to ensure 'long-term' quaLity assurance. Hence the dilemma. :(

We 'might' consider a 50/50 'up front', but that would be the best we could do.

We should have more blotter to offer again soon regardless.

But thanks all for the input! :)

Peace

TFC
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: Devaney1984 on May 31, 2012, 02:50 am
50/50 up front would be more appealing to most people I'm guessing, but if you're risking half anyway why couldn't you just keep it in escrow? Just don't accept new buyers or people with bad stats. If you have DCN proof you'd win any resolution decisions and wouldn't really be risking much unless someone w/great stats happens to claim they just received an empty vial or something and the mods actually believed them.
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: CapnJack on May 31, 2012, 02:57 am
50/50 up front would be more appealing to most people I'm guessing, but if you're risking half anyway why couldn't you just keep it in escrow? Just don't accept new buyers or people with bad stats. If you have DCN proof you'd win any resolution decisions and wouldn't really be risking much unless someone w/great stats happens to claim they just received an empty vial or something and the mods actually believed them.

I agree with this.  Resolution center will almost always side with you if you have proof that you sent it and have good reviews.  If you need the money that bad, there is always the cash advance option as a vendor.  That way you get a chunk of change to get more, and the buyers won't be scared away by FE.
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: flipside on May 31, 2012, 03:03 am
And just 4 da r3kid'....we've been "here" far longer than 2 months. And were informed LOOOONG before SR 'ever' went online.

Not that I expect anyone to believe me/us.

Just sayin' is all... ;)

We've just seen FAR too many other forums go down in our time. :(

Hence the 'hesitance' to wait a 'good year' before setting up shop on this wonderful onion-flavored slice of the Road.

So hell shit. Let's just say the offer no longer stands? :)

Perhaps just try some 5 strips off our next few sheets instead?

Again, this was only an offer. Not a listing.

And TRUST me when I say we have been 'scammed' ourselves for over 6K in the last 2-3 months. :(

Not to mention the 20K+ in the last year or so. So we gotcha'. ;)

If 'only' we could reveal more information about ourselves and our enterprise...

Well....perhaps in a year or so we'll have built more trust.

But no worrie$ on our end regardless. We're sincerely here for the community. Period. It was just an offer.

And our next sheet should (hopefully) be priced well under $9/each regardless. :)

So no worries. Just keep your eye's pealed for some sweet bLotter to sample in the near future. If you like? :)

That's all.

Peace

TFC
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: CapnJack on May 31, 2012, 03:10 am
I just have to say don't be discouraged by all of out cautious responses.  There will be PLENTY of people who will jump on this despite our hesitation and all of the FE warnings on the forums.  If you can make legitimate coin without scamming, then do it and jump on the opportunity.  If people aren't willing to take caution, then I wish you the best of luck and the same to them.
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: flipside on May 31, 2012, 04:31 am
As mentioned on our our profile page, we are TRULY unable to sell 'any' of our products in "bulk". We simply do not not have access to the bulk amounts of product many others do. But we are still intend to offer some of the most competitive prices on the Road whenever possible! And we truly are "true-believer's". Yeah. Cash help$ pay the bills. But psychedelics have the power to change the direction of an entire nation/culture! Guess which one we care more about? Just cuz we can. Period. Dot com....err....onion. ;)

But thank you all for your advice, REALLY! We've pretty much 'always' done biz thru GPG mail. Period.

Take my word or not. But since the beginning of the online scene, its's ALWAYS been $ up front. Just like any other business. So adapting to the Road, escrow, pm's, ect,  has been 'interesting' to say the least.

But we all agree the escrow system here is even better, as long as a vendor has the option to screen buyers. Like our FE policy of 7 or less transactions and/or less than $250 spent on SR. And we have yet to be scammed.  :)

So yeah, I think everyone's happier with escrow yeah? And the very reason we posted this here. Other than the reasons stated above, we NEVER ask customers to FE.

But really. thanks for all the advice guys n' gals. Haven't seen such quick and helpful responses when posting in any other forum on SR?

Or is that just cuz we wanna offer up some cheap~ish, 'quality', domestic acid? ;)

Peace

TFC
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: Devaney1984 on May 31, 2012, 05:23 am
Ha, yeah I'd say the LSD crowd can be pretty helpful considering we want sellers to stick around for a while!  Good luck, hope to sample your wares when I run out of what I copped from 3jane.
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: PsilocybinTendencies on June 02, 2012, 03:16 pm
I was just curious. You've made it very clear you can't make any promises about weight, but does anyone know how much product a typical vial is commonly expected to contain? Not a flipside vial, specifically, but if you say a "vial" in general, about how many micrograms are you talking about?
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: flipside on June 02, 2012, 03:48 pm
From the Crstyal to Blotter [LSD] thread on Mycotopia:

https://mycotopia.net/forums/misc-entheogens/1589-crystal-blotter-lsd.html

"Acid is always layed 1 gram=10 tenpacks. A tenpack is tensheets. 1gram=10,000doses. If your laying needlpoint your doses will be 95mcg, because your crystal is 95% pure. If your laying amber your shit will be 70mcg, because it`s 70% pure."

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Obviously not 'always', but it all depends on the quality of the crystal and how generous the folks laying in might be at that time. You get pretty high just working with crystal, so lucky for everyone they would most Likely be in a good mood at the time. Our sources tend to lay over 100 mics per regardless. So that's basically what I'm saying. I can guarantee our vials contain "at least" 100 x100 mcg of crystal (just like a sheet has 100 hits), regardless of ML amount. That's just how they bottle em. And every supplier has there own methods. Some use less liquid to offer stronger 'hits'. These you can easily choose to dilute if you like.

We then base our 'guesstimated' doses # per hit based on 'experience' (yours truLy having over 2O years of experience), which is the best ANYONE can offer you (unless they are one step from the crystal. ). Buyers and vendors alike all have to "guesstimate" with L, then base their experiences on other reported experiences of people]doing the same, in order to try to find some 'point of reference' to base your experience/dosage estimation on/from reports of others who are equally clueless. ;)

Factor in that there are SO many other unique variables and factors to consider (on your unique trip) with such a powerful ally as LSD...crystal quality and weight aside.

Like referenced above, the purity of crystal vary's widely based on lazy chemists. this compared to pretty much 'every' other product we carry, 2C-B, ect, where we have reliable connections to the source/chemist and therefore can guarantee purity/dosage, ect.

That's why I mentioned the "chain-of-custody' issue in our listing. It's MUCH harder to 'cut' blotter vs. liquid. As long as you know where you're vials are coming from, like we do, we can safely stand behind them ahead of time. The people with access to crystal, or even bulk sheets (state-side at least) tend to be very secretive. And for good reason. Yet the overwhelming majority of folks with access to crystal are "true-beLeivers, with a very select crew of trusted, long time partners. They don't mess with potency. Or computers, as you may have noticed while searching current domestic offerings.

If you ever got a 'weak' vial, it could be to a 'broken link' in the chain-of custody and was most likely diluted by low level dealer. It also depends of the size of the 'drop/hit' coming out of each specific vial. Certain "breath mint" vials drop larger than other types. The vials with the liquid dropper built into the cap can differ as well.

After the Silo-bust, the price of domestic LSD skyrocketed. Once the 'family's' started cooking again, they didn't bother lowering the price much. Long gone are the days of picking up $100 sheets any day of the week. I'm not saying they got greedy, they deserve it, and SR prices do NOT reflect typical best coast (or 'most' domestic)  'street' prices whatsoever.

But now that they are making little more $ for their work, (and depending on who's laying it) they do indeed tend 2B a bit more 'generous' Lately. ;)

We will most likely be listing some hits dropped on 'smarties' to get some feedback sometime this week.

Peace.

TFC


Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: Ksimo05 on June 03, 2012, 01:33 am
Im with you don... I de want to try the smarties ive gotten nothing but bunk L on here which is just my luck i guess.... But if you want to do the reagent test that be awesome i was going to get one,..... But by all means sir
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: HardHustle on June 03, 2012, 04:35 am
700 a vial's pretty steep man let us know what the hit #s gonna look like. 150+ would be decent.

EDIT: Nvm. 100/vial at 700 aint too great for bulk buyers, but hey you gotta make money right? But seriously motherfuck that FE bullshit.

Further edit: Don't take the below post badly. Simply meant to inform man. I seen it could sound a little dickish to the wrong pair of ears but I do mean u well. Peace.
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: HardHustle on June 03, 2012, 04:37 am
Yeah..

We TOTALLY understand. Which is also why we posted the offer 'here' before listing anything.

We just feel our feedback speaks for itself at this point. (on top of a 50% refund with DCN.)

Just sayin'. We've been around for 'far' too long, yet have made a bit of beer money since setting up shop here on the Road.

Just view our feedback and do the math. $700 is nothing.

But completely understandable. And exactly the response we expected.

It's truly more the fact that we would like to offer $7 hits vs. the ("are you fucking kidding me? $27 per hit?") from other domestic offerings we would like to change. And also the reason we normally don't play with such large numbers, as mentioned. 10 strips are normally our limit as you can tell. And $9 per hit was honestly the best we could do on our last sheet.

But until we have more blotter to offer....this is what we can. That's all. :)

Just wanted some feedback is all.

So thanks! ;)

Peace

TFC

Btw with the way you're talking, you must be pretty new here. NOBODY with a half a brain finalizes early anymore. A good portion of this site got fucked recently. And that dude was like THE dude. You think YOUR feedback speaks for itself? His was fuckin outrageous and EXTENSIVE as a motherfucker. He sold everything and it was all quality. And he fucked everyone. Word to the wise - don't get smart around here. Play by the rules and you'll do well. Stray from them and things can and will get bad.
Title: Re: * Flipside * ~ 'viaLs' ~ anyone?
Post by: flipside on June 03, 2012, 08:43 pm
Well considering we don't sell in bulk (and neither 'can' or 'will'), $7 a hit retail vs. other current domestic SR offering's of $27 per hit?

Okidoki. CoLor us pricey if you like?

We also feel risking a life-time in jail by publicly trading in Sch I sub's is kinda 'pricey' ourselves as well my friend.

And AGAIN. We're not asking 'anyone' to FE. We retracted that offer somewhere early on page 1. And instead offered the "obviously" mozdev NOT the best way to ensure long-term quaLity/potency (possible) "smartie" option until we get more feedback/blotter.

Along with a possible 50/50 FE. So yeah. If you you think your $350 is worth throwing away the YEARS of time, money, and risk we have invested to encourage foLks to NOT buy it and instead wait until we have have more 5-10 strips of blotter to offer in the near future...then? Ok?

Even by domestic 'street' price standards, $7 is FAR from unreasonable these days. As stated, "long gone" are the daze of domestic $100 sheets (and that was only "if" you knew the right friends and fam). You can never blame ANY vendor for what they are currently forced to pay for the products they offer to the community. All while choosing to risk "their" FREEDOM in order to supply 'you'!

Our last sheet on SR traded at $9+ per hit. Pardon us for trying to lower that sLightly. While offering EVERY other product we can at some of the lowest possible prices prices on the Road.

And what? Tony was offering EXPENSIVE product, wanted you to FE, and you chose to do so? Then ran off with your $?

Sorry. That MUST have been our fault. Our sincere apologies.

No one to blame but yourself my friend. We're not forcing anybody to FE, or even to buy 'anything' from us, just offering what we can.

(And good luck finding a dealer IRL who's willing to front you 'anything').

And again. With ALL of our other listings being < $100 (with 2C-B, MDPV, N,N DMT, MDMA, ect, to all be re-listed soon), we only require FE from new customers with less than 7 transactions and/or who have spent less than $250 on SR.

Do you have any idea how much (all else considered) we lose in simply safely out-exchanging BTC to $? All in order to continue providing a service to those on this planet who may not have access to to these life-changing molecuLes? You obviously don't.

Let alone the THOUSANDS (this year alone) we have been $cammed ourselves in order to provide you this service? Believe it or not, but we have (and have had) a long-time established customer base, both IRL and online. This is simply is a part-time 'Labor of Love' for ALL of us.

So please. Offer up your < $7 domestic, 'quaLity' hits instead my friend, and we'll 'hit the Road'. We're not starving. We don't plan on being here for long regardless. We've been at this far too long to know that much.

If we just wanted to make a quick $350, we'd just offer hits for $20 each instead and be gone tomorrow. Which, after the inve$tment made in all our other products, (besides the $150 just to set up a vendor account), minus shipping costs, rips, (including being robbed at GUNPOINT for over 5k), BTC out-exchange costs/fees, ect,...let's see...would leave us ALL in (only) just "slightly" under less under than COMPLETE bankruptcy!!

But hey. We respect your opinion. ;)

Peace

TFC 


Oh. And sorry for being "new":

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Hardhustle:  Registered: May 17, 2012, 04:05 AM
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With 120+, 100% satisfied customers (on SR) so far (with our selection), it's pretty obvious we've 'never' done this before.

[Edit:] And just so foLks know what up, SR looks after it's customer's. Here's a recent quote from some random feedback from some random vendors page:

"Don't believe the positive feedback on this page, this guy is a total stooge. SR staff gave me a 100% refund, thank goodness."

Please. We beg you to do the same. Tony was in business for less than 3 months. We are about to hit the 3 month mark. Under this nym at least.

Perhaps give us a moment to establish ourselves before jumping to conclusions? Thank you. Peace. :)