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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: lorenz on August 05, 2012, 01:40 pm
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I've seen on SR Heroin sold as #3, #4 and black tar and I couldn't find what they mean.
So, what's the difference between them? Also, what's their market value weight for weight? how does 1g of #3 compare against 1g of #4 or 1g of black tar in terms of market value/price?
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#3 is primarily snorted and smoked. It can be injected but it has to be dissolved in citrus instead of water. #4 is primarily IV'd, Black Tar is smoked. #4 is a more refined version of #3, in layman's terms.
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#3 is primarily snorted and smoked. It can be injected but it has to be dissolved in citrus instead of water. #4 is primarily IV'd, Black Tar is smoked. #4 is a more refined version of #3, in layman's terms.
Black tar, which is the only type of H available in much of the US, is IV'd and snorted as well.
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Is there a difference in the high? does no4 give a better rush?
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#3 is primarily snorted and smoked. It can be injected but it has to be dissolved in citrus instead of water. #4 is primarily IV'd, Black Tar is smoked. #4 is a more refined version of #3, in layman's terms.
Black tar, which is the only type of H available in much of the US, is IV'd and snorted as well.
I would say this is a big misconception half of the US tar is in the minority and half it is about the only thing you can get. The Midwest and East Coast number four prevails. South West and West Coast is where tar dominates almost exclusively.
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#3 is primarily snorted and smoked. It can be injected but it has to be dissolved in citrus instead of water. #4 is primarily IV'd, Black Tar is smoked. #4 is a more refined version of #3, in layman's terms.
That is not exactly correct. the forms are actually chemically different, #4 being a salt and #3 is freebase.
#4 - good for snorting, shooting, plugging - not smoking because the vaporization temp is higher and too close to the combustion point causing degradation wasting most of the H
#3 good for snorting, not water soluble without addition of an acid. generally cut at the source with caffeine to promote vaporization for smoking. most common in europe
tar is ready to dissolve for IV, plugging, as well as smoke but is a pain to work with and can only be used nasally in solution. actually #4 generally less refined, containing more of the other poppy alkaloids (slightly different high with 6-mam) and utilizes acetic acid reflux rather than acetic anhydride during production
often the purest gear will be raw #4 powder. some actually prefer the tar over powder though... personal preference possibly. #3 is cut at the source, so basically will be of lower purity in general so the lower cost is offset by increased quantity needed
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#3 and #4 ,
is revering to the times of chemical purification.
#4 you say ""number four"" ,
is just a number three but cleaned one time extra, usually with chloroform or ether.
In short;
boil opium, clean it trough a sheet or piece of cloth, add vinegar -acid (azijnzuur/-anhydride in Dutch) and let it stay for 6 hours on 80 degrees Celsius.
A acetylgroup will be added and bound to the morphine. All is soluble in water. When a base is added, most of the times that will be agricultural calcium, the water can no longer obtain the (now) di-acetymorphine, witch will combine at each other and fall to the bottom.
A preplaced sheet can catch the heroin, the water runs through the filter (sheet) and the heroin #3 can be laid down in the sunshine to dry.
usually there more then one type of cloth, the one is woven more tight then the other so you filter it twice. With a fine filter and less tight woven sheet.
Water can be drained differently and you can catch the heroin that has fallen through the finest filter, it lay's just at the bottom of the pan.
So #4 is#3 refined one time more.
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Would anybody like to overview any differences in experiences in terms of form? I've unwittingly smoked small doses of black tar before and enjoyed it. I'd like to know if anyone else could tell me more of what to expect if I acquired some and tried to smoke it in slightly large quanities/frequency. (I checked erowid but there were only a couple that specifically mentioned tar and maybe two that actually smoked it).