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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: DoctorFreedom on May 29, 2013, 11:06 am
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I suppose for a lot of not tech savy people, setting up tor, and obtaining some bitcoins might be quite a hassle?
How hard was it for you at first? What hoops you have to jump through to get on it and start using it fluently?
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took awhile but its so simple
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Easy peasy. :)
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About an hour to set up an account and figuring out PGP, 9 hours wait to download blockchain for wallet , took 7 days to get first Bitcoin...........
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Once i found tor browser and wrote down the real URL it became easy.
Loading bitcoin and figuring out pgp was the hardest part to learn. :-X
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Installing TOR was quite easy. Learning how to use PGP... not so much. But I've had to wait to download the Bitcoin blockchain for days.
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Fairly easy. Downloading the blockchan took me just over 2 days. =\
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took me an hour or so but u was reading up a lot too on reddit. I have not got my own wallet on my machine is that I recommended?
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Considering that I have used other hidden services for many years and I have been using TOR since 2004, it was as easy as performing a google search.
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Im a complete noob so i wouldn't say finding SR was easy. I stumbled across it while doing research on a completely unrelated topic which i was immersing myself in at the time. So i can honestly say i've only just found out about it. Downloading TOR and finding the SR URL was a piece of piss. Took me 2 days to get BCs into my SR account. One thing i think i would recommend is to move small volumes of Bitcoins through the correct channels initially till you know what your doing. I didn't, and found the stress of waiting for the BCs to arrive into the various accounts and wallets a little bit fucked. Move an amount your prepared to lose first time and it would be a fair bit more fun. Now its no problem.
I'm not sure what is the coolest thing that ive just discovered. The drugs available, or the Bitcoin market. Both amazing and unknown to me until now.
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easy to get on silk road. difficult but not impossible to get bitcoins. btw, do you have to use PGP for a silk road order?
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Considering that I have used other hidden services for many years and I have been using TOR since 2004, it was as easy as performing a google search.
What was there before?
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To help out newbs, I wrote up a simple guide for ANONYMOUSLY buying bitcoins using cash, and transferring to the Road:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/2f9f85aa35
There is nothing to buy, and nothing to download. The guide is designed for buyers, not vendors, and it assumes no previous knowledge or computer skill.
View the information for free, and if moved, donate!
The bitcoin scene changes frequently. By putting this info in a listing, I can update it in one place rather than in many forum posts.
Enjoy,
MedicineWoman
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Very easy lol
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It took me a bit to get used to everything, but it was pretty easy throughout the whole process.
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I suppose for a lot of not tech savy people, setting up tor, and obtaining some bitcoins might be quite a hassle?
How hard was it for you at first? What hoops you have to jump through to get on it and start using it fluently?
For me it was a weird combo. The significant other could NEVer find out (she doesn't know my depravties). Ridiculously, this has meant staying dirty when I've really, really wanted to come clean and go try another path. I guess the constant lying part comes the easiest. Check the mail? No, baby -- I have something on order for you so I'll check it. Postman already at the door, well shit, I'll sign it, no still no peeky anniversary coming soon. When the person you're ALMOST completely honest to is your legit PM doc, that's some strange shit.
Finding Silk Road, and realizing that there were other people doing the same rat race -- holdin down jobs, raisin their kids, and still not wandering the backs of nightclubs asking furtive questions of furtive people. The only hard part now is interacting with the lady at the cash advance place. Does she "know"? "Care"?
Silk Road has helped me maintain a couple of chemical interactions which have, in turn, resulted in never having to have the "What do you mean we're out of Ambien -- it got filled on Monday" argument.
Needless to say, the snowball is quietly, almost noiselessly gathering speed. It'll be a thundering battering ram soon.
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Soon to make my first purchase, getting bitcoins was the most difficult part for me.
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i probably spent a few hours at it. mainly because everything was new to me. i had no idea what tor was, bitcoins, wallets, gpg, etc... and i knew very little about internet anonymity and security. every time i learned about something it opened a new door of shit i had to learn. actually it still seems like that most days lol
pretty lucky that by the time i got into this there was already idiot proof user friendly software out there. the tor browser bundle and gpg4usb was pretty much just download and use. if i had to config a bunch of settings and figure out everything on my own i would probably still be going at it.
unfortunately i found the SR url easy but didnt realize there was a forum till months later when SR went down and the page provided a forum link with updates lol :o
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I'm still in the process of taking baby steps. I've got the bit coins down and all but the PGP is kind of a complete mystery to me. I plan on getting it down once I'm ready to make my first purchase though. I have gpg4win.
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It took me two days to get on.... But pretty damn self explanatory from there.
As I'm surfing through these forums, it's obvious to me I have a bit to learn still, but I got time for dat :D
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I found it all a bit of a challenge, so I took it in small steps. Downloading Tor and browsing SR was relatively easy. Understanding PGP was a little harder and I took a few hours researching it and learning how to encrypt messages. Understanding bitcoins and how to get them was even harder and took up several hours... actually I'm still not sure I understand them exactly, but I have a wallet and it has bitcoins in it, so I did something right. All of this was spread out over a few months of lurking in the forum and learning as much as I could.
Until embarking on the SR journey, I thought I was reasonably tech savvy, but now I feel like an old person trying to understand "the google." It's actually been pretty fun though and has taught me much about internet privacy and security in general. ;D
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Ach, it's not so hard...and I say this confidently as someone who hasn't done it yet ;)
Nah but I've figured out the PGP, and pretty much sussed how to do the Bitcoin (I think), just got to go put some actual money in my actual bank account and get the ball rolling.
Ask me again in a couple of days ;)
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When I first found his last night my mind was blown....I had no idea such a "universe" existed. I was simply over stimulated..lol. The feeling of finding this place was the equivalent of being 10 years old being cut loose in a toy store.....To be able to buy some dank smoke in an online marketplace was something I thought not possible. So again, you can imagine my excitement.
As for the ease of use it was a bit confusing at first but reading and learning it has become pretty simple. I will be buying my first bitcoins tomorrow....Cannot effin wait!!! I suppose the hardest part and the part that seems to be confusing for most is the PGP.. But just like anything else I'm sure it will become second nature after repetitive use. I just ca't get enough of SR....This is so kickass!
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Gettting in was the easy part.
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When I first found his last night my mind was blown....I had no idea such a "universe" existed. I was simply over stimulated..lol. The feeling of finding this place was the equivalent of being 10 years old being cut loose in a toy store.....To be able to buy some dank smoke in an online marketplace was something I thought not possible. So again, you can imagine my excitement.
Mail order marijuana has been around for at least fifteen years.
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Considering that I have used other hidden services for many years and I have been using TOR since 2004, it was as easy as performing a google search.
What Slick Willy said, except the search I performed involved DDG. Google is a little too much exposure for my tastes, if not the ex-President's. (Pun intended, maybe.)
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Took me a week.....and 30 days to learn PGP.... :-[......now I use it everyday :)
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Considering that I have used other hidden services for many years and I have been using TOR since 2004, it was as easy as performing a google search.
What Slick Willy said, except the search I performed involved DDG. Google is a little too much exposure for my tastes, if not the ex-President's. (Pun intended, maybe.)
I love the whole idea of DDG because I really don't like exiting the TOR network. I feel so comfortable when I'm on hidden services as opposed to clearweb. DDG just doesn't yield me the same results as google. I hate how google throws captchas in my face all the time when I'm using it over TOR but I really like how google allows you to perform encrypted searches. I don't go a day without google. Maybe one day DDG will be able to provide me with my needed internet searching capabilities.
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I was dedicated and it took about a week before I could finally get my coin on the road, I just read as much as I could. The reddit dedicated to the road was a big help at first too.
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When I first found his last night my mind was blown....I had no idea such a "universe" existed. I was simply over stimulated..lol. The feeling of finding this place was the equivalent of being 10 years old being cut loose in a toy store.....To be able to buy some dank smoke in an online marketplace was something I thought not possible. So again, you can imagine my excitement.
Mail order marijuana has been around for at least fifteen years.
Yep...t'was the first illegal thing I bought online, I still have the envelope, the customs sticker on the outside says 'photographs', for some reason I always found that amusing :)
Now, the thought that I may be able to buy LSD online...now that is something else indeed.
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Easy as pie except maybe PGP but that just involved paying attention
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YEP
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When I first found his last night my mind was blown....I had no idea such a "universe" existed. I was simply over stimulated..lol. The feeling of finding this place was the equivalent of being 10 years old being cut loose in a toy store.....To be able to buy some dank smoke in an online marketplace was something I thought not possible. So again, you can imagine my excitement.
Mail order marijuana has been around for at least fifteen years.
Yep...t'was the first illegal thing I bought online, I still have the envelope, the customs sticker on the outside says 'photographs', for some reason I always found that amusing :)
Now, the thought that I may be able to buy LSD online...now that is something else indeed.
Mail order LSD has been around for at least a decade. I could name a couple old school suppliers. One got busted 5-6 years ago. Another was still selling in 2011. They both sold very pure MDMA too. One also sold amphetamine powder. I used to have to express fedex ship cash to the Netherlands. Then egold became the thing. O0
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I love the whole idea of DDG because I really don't like exiting the TOR network. I feel so comfortable when I'm on hidden services as opposed to clearweb. DDG just doesn't yield me the same results as google. I hate how google throws captchas in my face all the time when I'm using it over TOR but I really like how google allows you to perform encrypted searches. I don't go a day without google. Maybe one day DDG will be able to provide me with my needed internet searching capabilities.
cool, i didn't know you could encrypt your searches when using google
i have no idea how to do this but i'm going to do some reading and figure it out
thanks
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I love the whole idea of DDG because I really don't like exiting the TOR network. I feel so comfortable when I'm on hidden services as opposed to clearweb. DDG just doesn't yield me the same results as google. I hate how google throws captchas in my face all the time when I'm using it over TOR but I really like how google allows you to perform encrypted searches. I don't go a day without google. Maybe one day DDG will be able to provide me with my needed internet searching capabilities.
cool, i didn't know you could encrypt your searches when using google
i have no idea how to do this but i'm going to do some reading and figure it out
thanks
HTTPS lol. Your searches are encrypted so exit nodes wont be able to see what you're searching and neither will anyone sniffing packets or anyone except google. :) I didn't mean PGP encryption or anything.
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Downloading and installing TOR and accessing the login page for SR was easy. The hard part was getting the courage to create that account, learning BTC, acquiring BTC, and then learning PGP. Also learning the general etiquette was a step too. It would have been much easier if I had someone at my side teaching me in person but I managed to do it all on my own, by following all of the user help guides that I found.
You can teach an old dog new tricks, especially when it comes to drugs 8)
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Research what I'm about to do, download Tor, open Tor, search for an authentic link to SR, enter silkroadvb5piz3r.onion, create an account, log in. I don't see how someone other than a completely technologically illiterate or impaired person couldn't do that with ease.
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The only step I've yet to take is getting some coins
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Every aspect was easy as fuck for me. I knew a good deal about computers, the tor network, and different forms of encryption including pgp before I even heard about this amazing place, So when I discovered it I was like "DAyummmm what an awesome fucking idea, cant believe I never thought of this!" Lol, but seriously Major Major props to DPR, who knew an ingenious idea could be born from such simple tools. Fuck the government with our technology!!! lol
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Not too hard. A little stressful maybe because I was worried I was going to do something wrong and loose my money in the transfers or something equally terrible.
Still don't really understand the PGP thing...but I haven't really Tried yet either.
I'm sleepy and this language you speak sounds strange and foreign to me :)
I'll take it on tomorrow. I got this far down the Road right?
Good to hear all your thoughts and adventures
Happy Traveling
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@MightyKribit You'll get it, once you got it down it's simple
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Not too hard. A little stressful maybe because I was worried I was going to do something wrong and loose my money in the transfers or something equally terrible.
Still don't really understand the PGP thing...but I haven't really Tried yet either.
I'm sleepy and this language you speak sounds strange and foreign to me :)
I'll take it on tomorrow. I got this far down the Road right?
Good to hear all your thoughts and adventures
Happy Traveling
I wasn't ever really experienced with anything like PGP, but after looking it up I found it's a lot simpler than you'd think.
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True^ I have found some people arent even willing to try to learn sometimes though! I just dont understand...
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It's just laziness, I couldn't be bothered for a while but eventually thought it would be better to know in the long run.
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Definitely worth knowing how to work
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took about 2 days. hardest part was pgp for mac
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I dont understand lazinesss, Especially when we are talking about illegal shit! lol I just couldnt afford to be lazy wit this kinda shit
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I dont understand lazinesss, Especially when we are talking about illegal shit! lol I just couldnt afford to be lazy wit this kinda shit
Heh. Compulsive laziness is hard to overcome.
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Easy as piss.
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Downloading Tor - simple. Although at first I was paranoid that it would fuck up my new laptop.
Finding what to click on to get on Tor, was something that took a while. I don't know about you, but for me, on Windows 7, I can only get to it by going to 'Start' and typing "Start Tor Browser" - Usually just "Start Tor" brings it up, with the little onion next to it. I just don't recall reading how to "Start Tor"
Anyway that was my one little stumbling block.
PGP is a thorn in my side. I avoided it for almost a year, after having tried it, but getting confused. (Adult ADD here)- Then someone told me about another easier PGP or PnP encryption download, that is more 'user friendly'. - I mean I had the basic gist of it, like you're decoding their message, and here's your key for them to decode yours, etc. - Then I went an forgot my passwords. I'd gone over a month and half without ordering, after blowing $3k at tax return time ;D - So I deleted my whole PGPnP encryption program, and haven't had it back yet.
I've been assured by many tekkies, that as long as I'm on the SR everything is encrypted anyway. - Now don't you PGP freaks jump on me! ::)
I've managed to do over 80 orders in a years time w/o ever having to bother with PGP. The only problem I've had is once in a blue moon a vendor will have a "No PGP code- No order" rule. - Even some of those, I've managed to convince to let me through unencrypted. - Usually as long as I'm not mentioning any direct sale or product in my PM. - Even so, that PM is on the SR.
I worked in the Telecom sector, when T3's Broadband and FIOS were being rolled out. We had "test markets" that got free high speed internet, for the test period, but that there would be downtimes, and even surveillance from time to time, so our techs could observe first hand what the customer is experiencing. This involved video recording + keylogging customers accounts for hours at a time.
They agreed to it just to be a part of the "new FIOS". - Hey it was free high speed Internet+TV for almost the whole summer! Who wouldn't overlook some normal "observing".
Well you'd be surprised at the sites we saw people going on, knowing (we presumed) that they could be and were being watched?
Of course we were instructed to keep everything to ourselves, and there were security clearances, but if the SR had been around then? We would be able to see you go to your PGP key, copy and paste it, send it etc. - As well as watch you decrypt a message.
So my point is, if they want to watch you, they can always go to the central office of your ISP and "observe" or simply put a DVR on it, and download any activity recorded.
Just saying!
Oh and the Bitcoin thing? - That came easy, of course this was back when BitInstant worked with BoA. Now they're even easier with tons of payment locations. But for those who still want BoA, just go to Blue Sky Traders!
You're mileage may vary!
-SoAlone
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pretty easy tbh, downloaded orbot android app at first, later got tor on lap top. hardest thing all together was probably bitcoins, buying uk bank transfer, although this only took about 30 mins to find, purchase and transfer. cant believe i've not done this sooner....all those wasted years smoking sub standard street shit weed.... feels like coming home! SR you are amazing
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At first I could not understand PGP. But it's so simple. Only takes a few small steps that seem confusing until you get the hang of it.
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I love the whole idea of DDG because I really don't like exiting the TOR network. I feel so comfortable when I'm on hidden services as opposed to clearweb. DDG just doesn't yield me the same results as google. I hate how google throws captchas in my face all the time when I'm using it over TOR but I really like how google allows you to perform encrypted searches. I don't go a day without google. Maybe one day DDG will be able to provide me with my needed internet searching capabilities.
cool, i didn't know you could encrypt your searches when using google
i have no idea how to do this but i'm going to do some reading and figure it out
thanks
HTTPS lol. Your searches are encrypted so exit nodes wont be able to see what you're searching and neither will anyone sniffing packets or anyone except google. :) I didn't mean PGP encryption or anything.
i see, thanks. the encryption provided by the secure http google site
i probably would have wasted hours trying to figure that out lol
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Downloading Tor - simple. Although at first I was paranoid that it would fuck up my new laptop.
Finding what to click on to get on Tor, was something that took a while. I don't know about you, but for me, on Windows 7, I can only get to it by going to 'Start' and typing "Start Tor Browser" - Usually just "Start Tor" brings it up, with the little onion next to it. I just don't recall reading how to "Start Tor"
Anyway that was my one little stumbling block.
PGP is a thorn in my side. I avoided it for almost a year, after having tried it, but getting confused. (Adult ADD here)- Then someone told me about another easier PGP or PnP encryption download, that is more 'user friendly'. - I mean I had the basic gist of it, like you're decoding their message, and here's your key for them to decode yours, etc. - Then I went an forgot my passwords. I'd gone over a month and half without ordering, after blowing $3k at tax return time ;D - So I deleted my whole PGPnP encryption program, and haven't had it back yet.
I've been assured by many tekkies, that as long as I'm on the SR everything is encrypted anyway. - Now don't you PGP freaks jump on me! ::)
I've managed to do over 80 orders in a years time w/o ever having to bother with PGP. The only problem I've had is once in a blue moon a vendor will have a "No PGP code- No order" rule. - Even some of those, I've managed to convince to let me through unencrypted. - Usually as long as I'm not mentioning any direct sale or product in my PM. - Even so, that PM is on the SR.
I worked in the Telecom sector, when T3's Broadband and FIOS were being rolled out. We had "test markets" that got free high speed internet, for the test period, but that there would be downtimes, and even surveillance from time to time, so our techs could observe first hand what the customer is experiencing. This involved video recording + keylogging customers accounts for hours at a time.
They agreed to it just to be a part of the "new FIOS". - Hey it was free high speed Internet+TV for almost the whole summer! Who wouldn't overlook some normal "observing".
Well you'd be surprised at the sites we saw people going on, knowing (we presumed) that they could be and were being watched?
Of course we were instructed to keep everything to ourselves, and there were security clearances, but if the SR had been around then? We would be able to see you go to your PGP key, copy and paste it, send it etc. - As well as watch you decrypt a message.
So my point is, if they want to watch you, they can always go to the central office of your ISP and "observe" or simply put a DVR on it, and download any activity recorded.
Just saying!
Oh and the Bitcoin thing? - That came easy, of course this was back when BitInstant worked with BoA. Now they're even easier with tons of payment locations. But for those who still want BoA, just go to Blue Sky Traders!
You're mileage may vary!
-SoAlone
Hey mate,
that kind of surveillance can only be done if you have malware/trojan installed on your computer.
The ISP can intercept all your traffic of course, but if it's encrypted they will just see "fsdjkfdsjklfdskjfdkjsfkjds"
And TOR and all https sites offer encryption between you and them.
Just adding that so new people won't freak out :)
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well, i guess the most difficult part was finding a way to obtain bitcoins. it's easier in the states i guess, but elsewhere it can be quite a hassle, especially if you don't want to pay double. :)
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I have to concur with storm at the beginning of this thread hahaha
Took fucking forever dude... But once I figured it out it was and still is the most simple thing ever(: I just want to congratulate everyone who made it to the road by the way... Shows that at least most of us have brains and are computer savvy enough to outwit the LE hopefully far into the future(: (sept for that Rossta dude... He needs help)
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I worked in the Telecom sector, when T3's Broadband and FIOS were being rolled out. We had "test markets" that got free high speed internet, for the test period, but that there would be downtimes, and even surveillance from time to time, so our techs could observe first hand what the customer is experiencing. This involved video recording + keylogging customers accounts for hours at a time.
They agreed to it just to be a part of the "new FIOS". - Hey it was free high speed Internet+TV for almost the whole summer! Who wouldn't overlook some normal "observing".
Well you'd be surprised at the sites we saw people going on, knowing (we presumed) that they could be and were being watched?
Of course we were instructed to keep everything to ourselves, and there were security clearances, but if the SR had been around then? We would be able to see you go to your PGP key, copy and paste it, send it etc. - As well as watch you decrypt a message.
So my point is, if they want to watch you, they can always go to the central office of your ISP and "observe" or simply put a DVR on it, and download any activity recorded.
You're mileage may vary!
-SoAlone
Hey mate,
that kind of surveillance can only be done if you have malware/trojan installed on your computer.
The ISP can intercept all your traffic of course, but if it's encrypted they will just see "fsdjkfdsjklfdskjfdkjsfkjds"
And TOR and all https sites offer encryption between you and them.
Just adding that so new people won't freak out :)
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. I remember seeing banking sites and all https sites clear as well, but who knows? I was an Equipment Installer, not on IT guy.
Though according to recent revelations about the current US Govt administration, anything and everything is being recorded. You may know more about it being outside the US. The Obama administration is trying their hardest to get each scandal off the front page, but as soon as they do, another one pops up! - We've never had a more corrupt, dishonest, privacy violating administration.
The only hope now is that the media who was once their ally, will start to turn on them since the AP illegal wiretapping was done to their reporters.
Though that may have been leaked on purpose to scare them into not saying anything. Think how many of those reporters have secrets they wouldn't want their families to know about?
It's all quite alarming. I do hope what you say is true concerning the encryption working! It's our only defense against a truly evil cabal gov't!
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Find onion address
Download Tor Browser Bundle (TBB)
Buy bitcoins
Register at SR
Create truecrypt volume
Create private pgp key.