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Title: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: joywind on May 30, 2013, 07:02 am
problem with LSD is you can't take it every day, unless you have lots of money and can afford to double the dosage every day.............

can't take shrooms every day either

can't take mescaline every day either

DMT doesnt' last long enough.

ayawuasca is not recreational,
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: BlackIris on May 30, 2013, 09:05 am
Psychedelics are usually the antithesis of "daily use" (in the terms I think you are implying, i.e. "recreational daily use to kill time for a while").

For shamanic uses ALL the substances you have mentioned can be used daily for a period of time (depending on what you want to do) and many people have done or do so.

In any case the easier to use daily it is surely DMT. If you would like a longer effect out of it use a MAOI an hour before or use it in combination with MXE.

Still, I repeat, if you want to use them daily for "recreational usage", you are missing out on the meaning of these substances (or you don't use them appropriately). It can work for a while, but I can assure you it will come a day (even more if you really start using them daily) that you will have to come on terms (an internal struggle that can evidence itself in different ways depending on your personal nature) with this faulty approach.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: joywind on May 30, 2013, 09:24 am
Psychedelics are usually the antithesis of "daily use" (in the terms I think you are implying, i.e. "recreational daily use to kill time for a while").
Not for me. I could take magic mushrooms and LSD every single day. I've done it for months before. The problem is that I have to keep doubling the dose to get the same effect. So it gets quite expensive.

In any case the easier to use daily it is surely DMT.
No, I said except DMT. DMT doesn't last long enough. And you can't do other things while on DMT. Like with magic mushrooms, I can watch TV all day, or go for a walk and enjoy nature. Not with DMT.

Still, I repeat, if you want to use them daily for "recreational usage", you are missing out on the meaning of these substances
I am very experienced with LSD, magic mushrooms, and DMT. I know they have spiritual uses. But they also have recreational usages. For spiritual usages, I take high dosages. For recreational usages, I take medium to low dosages.

It can work for a while, but I can assure you it will come a day (even more if you really start using them daily) that you will have to come on terms (an internal struggle that can evidence itself in different ways depending on your personal nature) with this faulty approach.
It's not faulty for me. Most drug addicts are addicted to cocaine, meth, heroin, etc.  I am addicted to psychedelic drugs. I know, it's rare. I'm one of the few people who like to be on psychedelics more or less all the time. For me it's a harmless addiction, because I don't work, etc. I can just devote 100% of my time to getting high. And only psychedelics get me the high that I want.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: BlackIris on May 30, 2013, 09:44 am
Not for me. I could take magic mushrooms and LSD every single day. I've done it for months before. The problem is that I have to keep doubling the dose to get the same effect. So it gets quite expensive.

I know you can, the problem is that it becomes a routine, and when a thing that's inherently magical (and so inherently opposite of a certain approach) as psychedelics become routine you are stripping them of their soul. This is evidenced, in fact, by your personal bodily reaction to the substances in the point that you need to double the doses every time. It should happen exactly the contrary (usually the more you get linked with these substance the less you need for them to make their effects; your body is literally telling you that you are doing something wrong - in fact they ARE turning in interaction with your body as recreational drugs, because as in that case you need more of the same to have the same effect, a thing that usually doesn't happen with psychedelics used correctly).

But naturally you can do what you will, and if you like it then there's no problem at all. It is just that given the way psychedelics work I don't think there's nothing you can do  about this issue. Or you abide to the increased price or you change modus operandi.

It's not faulty for me. Most drug addicts are addicted to cocaine, meth, heroin, etc.  I am addicted to psychedelic drugs.

The difference in the two is that certain substances in their modus operandi are completely different than others. You can approach them as others that have the modus operandi you like, sure, but since they are not made for this, they don't accommodate as well for that use, as it is evidenced in your trouble.

For me it's a harmless addiction, because I don't work, etc. I can just devote 100% of my time to getting high. And only psychedelics get me the high that I want.

I can understand this, but, as I said, I don't think there's a solution to your "problem". I don't know of any psychedelics that works in the same way as a recreational drug (as reactions), just because they are, at their soul, not recreational drugs. Just like you can surely use a Ferrari in the traffic never going above the 2nd gear but then you cannot pretend that you will use the same amount of fuel as an utilitarian car (or will have the same experience in parking etc.), it is so for what it concerns psychedelics turned into pure recreational routine drugs.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: Railgun on May 30, 2013, 03:14 pm
I don't think so.  From my reading, they all even share cross-tolerance with each other due to acting on the same receptors.  In all honesty, your best bet would be an extremely potent sativa cannabis. 

The Chemdawg I tried put me in the psychedelic headspace that shrooms do, but it wasn't as visual, if that is what you are looking for.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: zvp1014 on May 30, 2013, 09:18 pm
I don't think so.  From my reading, they all even share cross-tolerance with each other due to acting on the same receptors.  In all honesty, your best bet would be an extremely potent sativa cannabis. 

I'd agree with this as it'd be work and be a bit cheaper.

My local guy has what's probably a sativa strain; unlike most weed it makes my thought process amplify and also makes me forget how time works. I personally hate it as I'm prone to heavy bouts of anxiety.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: valakki on May 30, 2013, 09:37 pm

are you looking for visuals only? inhale butane. that will be heaven
 walking on sunhine! whoo woo woo
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: joywind on May 30, 2013, 10:56 pm
The receptors that give you those wonderful psychedelic effects are going to downregulate with continual use.
then how do you explain the fact that timothy leary,  ralph metzner, and richard alpert were able to be contuously high on LSD for months?

They created a dosing schedule that allowed them to be in a state of continuous ego death by steadily increasing the dosage every day.

Seriously, you guys need to experiment with daily psychedelics before making pronouncements about this practice.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: smores on May 30, 2013, 11:01 pm
I've read that even with daily use, Moxy takes a long time to build a real tolerance to. Not to mention it is super cheap if you buy 1g+ at a time.

I have no experience with daily use though, so I'd do some more research.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: redalloverthelandguyhere on May 31, 2013, 12:08 am
In short - no.

There is no recreational psychedelic drug you could use everyday without losing touch with reality!

The whole point of any phychedelic drug is to alter perception which is fantastic once in a while but liable to fry you out if overdone.

I'd say cannabis and beer are the only two drugs I'd allow daily use of - even then you can build up a tolerance with alcohol. Bud and hash, I smoke the same, never really any need for 'more'.

All other drugs, coke, mdma, acid and amphetamine in the form of dexamfetamine (uk pharm quality) are special treats.

Thats my take on it.

There may be some RCs which might 'seem' safe, but if your using everyday, it will take time to see if its ok to use each day. Given these RCs are drugs we are basically testing on ourselves, I'd caution anyone who think that because its legal then its liable to be safe. We can all remember the methedrone craze, I saw people munching that for months. At the end of it - they were a mess.

So, best use psychedelics with caution - and use just a few times per year. I have had my yearly trip for a lot of years and consider it a kind of ritual to clear the mind of a few things. Nothing like a night under the stars and some shrooms or LSD and nice company. But I think if you done that for 200 nights running, you would be pretty fucked up mentally as we need reality to make the unreal experiences more worthwhile.

Be safe.

Always trip with someone who is experienced if you can - and always someone you trust 100%.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: Ben on May 31, 2013, 01:15 am
I suppose that really sums it up.

If you are taking psychedelics on a daily basis you will at some point lose track of what is real and what is not.

It will not really matter what exact substance you are using. If you spend most of your time tripping that will affect you seriously - it is the effect of these drugs that will cause that problem, not their exact chemistry or mechanism of action.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: joywind on May 31, 2013, 01:20 am
lol i've already been taking psychedelics on a daily basis for years. My problem is money (steadily increasing the dosage of LSD/shrooms costs a lot of money), not getting high every day.

So I want a psychedelic that you can take the same dosage every day.... unlike LSD/shrooms, where you have to take 200ug on day 1, 400ug on day two, 800ug on day 3..... I can't afford that any more.

So please don't advise me against taking psychedelics every day... I'm already doing that, and have done it for a long. It doesn't bad for me
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: Ben on May 31, 2013, 01:34 am
Oh okay, misunderstood that perhaps - so you are basically looking for some affordable psychedelic that does not build much of a tolerance despite daily use?
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: joywind on May 31, 2013, 01:41 am
Oh okay, misunderstood that perhaps - so you are basically looking for some affordable psychedelic that does not build much of a tolerance despite daily use?
yes, is there anything like that?

EXCLUDING ayahuasca/DMT
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: DMTisinME on May 31, 2013, 02:10 am
There's nothing. DMT is about it. You really shouldn't take psychedelics everyday.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: joywind on May 31, 2013, 02:32 am
not even 2C chemicals?

Well, ther'es ketamine, but i won't be doing that every day because it can destroy kidneys.....
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: PsychedelicSphere on May 31, 2013, 02:41 am


Still, I repeat, if you want to use them daily for "recreational usage", you are missing out on the meaning of these substances (or you don't use them appropriately). It can work for a while, but I can assure you it will come a day (even more if you really start using them daily) that you will have to come on terms (an internal struggle that can evidence itself in different ways depending on your personal nature) with this faulty approach.

You can't go out and say you don't use them appropriately. Everyone uses LSD differently and puts themselves in different settings based on what they enjoy or what they are trying to get out of the drug during that experience.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: DMTisinME on May 31, 2013, 03:47 am


Still, I repeat, if you want to use them daily for "recreational usage", you are missing out on the meaning of these substances (or you don't use them appropriately). It can work for a while, but I can assure you it will come a day (even more if you really start using them daily) that you will have to come on terms (an internal struggle that can evidence itself in different ways depending on your personal nature) with this faulty approach.

You can't go out and say you don't use them appropriately. Everyone uses LSD differently and puts themselves in different settings based on what they enjoy or what they are trying to get out of the drug during that experience.

Oh course in the end it is the user's decision, as with anything. But there is no logical reason to take psychedelics daily, other than microdosing, which some people like to do for medicinal or productivity enhancement purposes. Using psyches too often robs them of their magic or connectedness. It robs them of their ability to show you your flaws and their extraordinary introspective properties. If you take them too often, you will be left only with a dull body buzz and half-ass visuals. 

I have no problem with people using psychedelics recreationally, but for a good experience you have to always show the greatest respect for the drug and yourself. You are not doing this by taking it everyday. And plainly said, you get less out of the experience recreationally.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: Hendrix99 on May 31, 2013, 05:30 am
one you could try which I wouldnt recommend and personally will never try again is salvia divinorum. crazy shit


stick to good cannibis for daily use!
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: thegalactica420 on May 31, 2013, 06:05 am
not even 2C chemicals?

Well, ther'es ketamine, but i won't be doing that every day because it can destroy kidneys.....
If your still tripping everyday than you can possibly accurately asses your own mental health. Take a break for a few weeks and see if you still want to be doing this. DON'T take untested research chemicals daily thats just asking for alot of trouble.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: BlackIris on May 31, 2013, 07:56 am
You can't go out and say you don't use them appropriately. Everyone uses LSD differently and puts themselves in different settings based on what they enjoy or what they are trying to get out of the drug during that experience.

Don't extrapolate what I said out of its context. If you read the TOTALITY of what I wrote, you will understand the point I was making. Read for example the metaphor of the Ferrari. You can use everything as you like and if it is your will to do so, so be it, but still you must take in consideration that you cannot turn something in something else just because you would like it more that way, it doesn't work like this.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: Asal88 on May 31, 2013, 09:21 am
It is not really practical. There is so much cross tolerance between psychedelics.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: theanonprincessnikki on May 31, 2013, 12:31 pm
You can't go a week or two without using a psychedelic? Seems to me that you are just using it to pass time as if it was weed. Have you forgotten the spiritual reason and self enlightenment of psychedelics or you never saw it like that to begin with? However I don't judge but geez smoke some weed. And if you really want to pass the time so desperately, try some ''Xanax'' be warned tho it is very addicting.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: entreterra on May 31, 2013, 01:39 pm
The receptors that give you those wonderful psychedelic effects are going to downregulate with continual use.
then how do you explain the fact that timothy leary,  ralph metzner, and richard alpert were able to be contuously high on LSD for months?

They created a dosing schedule that allowed them to be in a state of continuous ego death by steadily increasing the dosage every day.

Seriously, you guys need to experiment with daily psychedelics before making pronouncements about this practice.


In 'Be Here Now' Ram Dass (Richard Alpert) states that he too recognized that taking LSD in this way becomes fruitless. He mentions that he starts feeling like a yo-yo going up and down after a few hundred LSD trips, so he better start going straight.

Personal exploration of the different facets of psychedelic use is perfectly reasonable, and this includes attempting daily use, combinations, different settings, doseages, etc. I HAVE used psychedelics daily before and it is foolish. I'm not saying it's wrong, but eventually you wise-up.

However, I agree whole-heartedly with BlackIris in this thread.  Psychedelics have an instrinsic quality about them that demand care and respect. The relationship that we have with them is one that necessitates breaks. There is more to be gained in this way. That's just how they are and that's just how it is. I think it is a wonderful thing that psychedelics can't be taken daily or even every few days. That is not their purpose.

Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: BlackIris on May 31, 2013, 03:43 pm
then how do you explain the fact that timothy leary,  ralph metzner, and richard alpert were able to be contuously high on LSD for months?

They created a dosing schedule that allowed them to be in a state of continuous ego death by steadily increasing the dosage every day.

Seriously, you guys need to experiment with daily psychedelics before making pronouncements about this practice.

I did miss this reply somehow (maybe unconsciously something didn't want to see it).

Do you understand that there's a difference between "being in a state of continuous ego death" and "getting high recreationally to pass time"? You asked if there was a psychedelic that could be used as a recreational drug every day and you even evidenced that when you replied to me saying that it couldn't be DMT because you want to be able to watch TV while you are under the effects (can this be even remotely comparable to being in a state of continuous ego death or similar things?).

The two things are completely different. Yes, you can use psychedelics daily for a certain period of time to plunge in certain kind of experiences (I even evidenced that in my first post, when I said "you can use these drugs SHAMANICALLY daily to obtain something specific", do you remember?) but this is completely different than the modus operandi you want to exert from those substances. The approach is completely different, and the routine in this case is used as an enhancer, that however to work must be tied to that approach, it doesn't come by itself. Also in this case, still, you cannot go on for too long periods of time doing this, because it comes a point where or the routine "breaks the spell" (so to speak) or you can either risk of not being able to ground on this plane fully anymore.

You are talking of two different things as if they should be the same when they obviously aren't.

I've used many times psychedelics daily for certain periods of times to obtain something specific, so I know perfectly about their uses in this sense, but just for this I know in the same way perfectly, that this has NOTHING (absolutely nothing) to do with what you are talking about and what do you want to obtain from that daily use.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: DMTisinME on May 31, 2013, 04:22 pm
+1 black iris, for both posts
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on May 31, 2013, 04:49 pm
not even 2C chemicals?

Well, ther'es ketamine, but i won't be doing that every day because it can destroy kidneys.....

Ketamine builds tolerance as well.  Not sure what you mean here...
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: virmo_new on May 31, 2013, 06:00 pm
problem with LSD is you can't take it every day, unless you have lots of money and can afford to double the dosage every day.............

can't take shrooms every day either

can't take mescaline every day either

DMT doesnt' last long enough.

ayawuasca is not recreational,

If you buy 1000 lsd tabs it costs almost nothing. There are people who take it everyday, same for shrooms. We don't understand why you would do that because you need more. You can take it every other 3th day though. Some people drink their pee after taking psychedelics to safe on costs...

You can take ketamine everyday, and MDA...
But you will become fucked up if you do that, or any drug, everyday.

The UK vendor who sells GHB powder claims that you can take it under threshold as an antidepressant. But you build up tolerance really quick and GHB is very addictive and bad for you frontal lobe and basal ganglia...
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: virmo_new on May 31, 2013, 06:02 pm
BlueGiraffe is his name. And now we will get bad karma once again...
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: thegalactica420 on June 01, 2013, 05:10 am
problem with LSD is you can't take it every day, unless you have lots of money and can afford to double the dosage every day.............

can't take shrooms every day either

can't take mescaline every day either

DMT doesnt' last long enough.

ayawuasca is not recreational,

If you buy 1000 lsd tabs it costs almost nothing. There are people who take it everyday, same for shrooms. We don't understand why you would do that because you need more. You can take it every other 3th day though. Some people drink their pee after taking psychedelics to safe on costs...

You can take ketamine everyday, and MDA...
But you will become fucked up if you do that, or any drug, everyday.

The UK vendor who sells GHB powder claims that you can take it under threshold as an antidepressant. But you build up tolerance really quick and GHB is very addictive and bad for you frontal lobe and basal ganglia...
That's simply a lie, any damage done from GHB is from irresponsible use. Like taking 10 grams, passing out and hitting your head sure that's going to cause damage but legit GHB is endogenous and safer to ingest than cannabis if done right. It puts next to no strain on your body to metabolize and is broken down into H2O and CO2 in a matter of hours. Now if your talking about using GBL like GHB that's a whole different story. Either way no drug should be used daily even something as benign as GHB or cannabis.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: tree on June 01, 2013, 10:44 am
The only psychedelics that I know of that will work (but you'll become tolerant still) if you take them all the time are ketamine, weed, and things like atropine and scopolamine (and other weird plants) (those aren't exactly psychedelics but it depends on what you're looking for).

Ketamine will work everytime and make you trip if you take enough but you'll get addicted and grow a tolerance obviously... I wouldn't recommend using ketamine everyday as it's really not good for your health, but then again I wouldn't recommend using any psychedelic or any drug everyday. It's not the same kind of "psychedelism" as shrooms and such though, in fact, all the drugs below would be different.

Weed will also keep working if you take it everyday but it's not a really strong psychedelic, unless you really take a lot in which case it's usually not pleasant, but it's up to you. You can become addicted as well and while the addiction isn't extremely strong it has been hard for some people I know to get of off.

Antichlinergics : Atropine, Scopolamine (datura, mandrake,...) will make you trip each time too but it's usually not pleasant, and you can become addicted to those as well. Mandrake can be pleasant in low doses though, it acts like a sedative and is mildly psychedelic in those doses. Those drugs are dangerous/poisenous though.

Wormwood has been reported to be a pleasant psychedelic (but not in the same sense as tryptamines), causing hallucinations, but it's also toxic and I don't know about its tolerance and addictive potential.

Ibogaine/Iboga would work for everyday use, it has been used as a daily drug in France in the 60's under the name "Lambarene" (or something similar), which indicates that a daily dose works. A low dose will act like a pleasant mild psychelic with stimulant properties, according to anecdotal evidence. Medium to high doses would be too incapacitating for everyday use, the same goes for anticholinergics and ketamine, only low to mild doses could be used everyday.

I wouldn't recommend any of those for everyday usage, even weed, but I think the most pleasant one would be Iboga, it has been compared to MDMA in low doses but I don't know much about its toxicity and addictive potential. That it has been used as a herbal medicine for daily use may make it seem safe but just because it's a plant doesn't make it safe...
If you try Iboga out for everyday use you should document your trials, I'd love to hear about it!
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: Ballzinator on June 01, 2013, 11:11 pm
Moxy (5-MeO-MiPT)
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 01, 2013, 11:22 pm
Ketamine will work everytime and make you trip if you take enough but you'll get addicted and grow a tolerance obviously... I wouldn't recommend using ketamine everyday as it's really not good for your health

Unless you are injecting the ketamine, I fail to see how anyone could keep up with taking K continuously every day.  It ruins your sinuses and eventually you will get to the point that you cant inhale anything more into your nose because its clogged with snot.  I reached this state many times back in college.  Want more K but no nose to accept it!

Damn.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: tree on June 02, 2013, 10:46 am
Unless you are injecting the ketamine, I fail to see how anyone could keep up with taking K continuously every day.  It ruins your sinuses and eventually you will get to the point that you cant inhale anything more into your nose because its clogged with snot.  I reached this state many times back in college.  Want more K but no nose to accept it!

Damn.
Well I was saying is that it's a drug that will work if you want to take it all the time, unlike shrooms, LSD, etc. But yeah snorting things all the time isn't very good... Oral and injection would work though. It'd be a bad idea to take ketamine all the time anyways, I was just saying that it's a psychedelic that would work all the time...
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: jorgecassio on June 02, 2013, 11:38 am
I've been microdosing with shrooms everyday for a week now. I also take .25 klonopin to kill the visual aspect and feel more emotional and in-tune with myself. Not saying this is the magic bullet, but it's getting me through a rough patch in life right now where I need to re-evaluate myself without being so self-loathing and prone to depression, so I'm not complaining.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: Savlon on June 02, 2013, 11:40 am
The tolerance of Psychs stops them being used daily. I think daily use would really be pushing the limits of your mind. I know it's not technically a psych but heavy sativa weed could be used daily for spiritual purposes :).
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: Leech on June 04, 2013, 11:09 am
Sativa weed is psychedelic, especially the premium, or resin oil. For bro, it gives him closed eyes/mental hallucination pretty well.

Bro is scared of taking it everyday, because he doesn't feel good doing soul travel everyday.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 04, 2013, 06:37 pm
To reach the psychedelic mindstate THC provides you need a lot.

Tolerance will build up for this just like other drugs.

Every few months I'll buy an ounce of some real good shit and work my way through it and it's the same thing every time.

I am super stoned with a tiny hit in the beginning, and after a couple weeks by the end I am smoking huge hits on the hour to feel the same way. 

Then I break again to give my lungs some break and to let my tolerance fade away once again.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: GammaGoblin on June 04, 2013, 09:02 pm
One of my "friends" took 2c-b for 14 days straight and didn't notice any tolerance. I know some other people, who took 2c-b for several days in the row and didn't notice decrease in potency. However, I do not recommend it.
Title: Re: is there a RECREATIONAL psychedelic you can take every day (not DMT)
Post by: offbeatadam on June 05, 2013, 12:07 am
Tolerance takes many forms, and it does not have to be chemical within the body to present itself as tolerance. One's mind is just as powerful as one's body is. You already claim to take various psychedelics for extremely long periods of time, so it seems to me you already have your answer. Eventually, something doesn't work. Either it isn't the same high, or it doesn't "seem fun" anymore. The only way to avoid this, is to moderate yourself.

There are many things you can take every day, and reap the benefits to yourself without having to see the walls moving. What exactly are you trying to achieve by this desire to maintain a constant, persistent experience? Are you medicating a depression issue, or are you just seeking out the feeling(s)? This isn't meant to be invasive or insinuating, it is truly meant as a learning experience. Suffering from depression and going through doctors and meds, none of them worked and most of them I hated. I was a recluse and I generally moved through live avoiding accomplishments so I'd blend in and no one would know the wiser. Then I discovered MDMA, and it was like erupting from an egg I'd been in for a quarter of a century. Maintaining a therapeutic dosage and discovering what I could do to maintain this better outlook on life became a chore for me. Eventually I answered these two very questions for myself, and what was an "as often as I could in a week" thing, reduced to the weekend, and every so often a nice long weekend of outworldly enjoyment. It's neither unusual, nor unheard of, to discover ones real self in opening the mind through such events. Shrooms, and eventually LSD, had an equal if not even more powerful effect on me after I broadened my horizons, and I've never looked back.

But, that experience, also showed me the error of my original approach. Not only did it eventually have an opposite effect, but I became bored and even the opposite effect started decreasing. Chasing the high, was my failure, but I would have never found that without chasing it in the first place.

Someone in this thread, suggested to take a little time off entirely, and see how you feel. You may be surprised at what you discover about yourself.

If you truly still want to do this, then others have already covered this. The solutions, are all unsafe in one way or another... so, pursuing this will either require going a route that is unsafe, or coming to terms with the expense required/moderating the need to expend in the first place.