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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: michaelphelpslovesweed on December 14, 2012, 09:04 am
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through most of my life smoking weed would make me overthink a lot and in most cases, whenever I listened to some nice trance (armin van buuren, tiesto, deadmau5, etc..) I would effortlessly be able to create stories in my head that I could detail with amazing clarity.. the first time it happened it lasted pretty long and had me eyes closed, lying in a seat for 30 minutes while my playlist played.. I never had any problems with that I've always thought I'm very creative..
as a kid I played with my hands until way later than everybody else.. I have many habits I've never been able to take care of..
After my first LSD trip (I did 300 mcg, tripped ultra super hard, complete loss of ego, report posted somewhere in forums) I noticed that when I get very high (many days of the week) I would sometimes feel like everybody was watching me and I'd have minor flashbacky types of thoughts (about my trip) and whenever I was alone I would question the reality of everything, including my own sanity.. My pupils would get dilated (not completely though) whenever it happened.. I thought well weed is a minor hallucinogen and it didn't happen while sober.. until it did
I was studying very late, had eaten and slept badly for a few days.. and when I went to bed I couldn't sleep because my brain started thinking a lot.. I tried to force myself to sleep but when I closed my eyes for some reason I started focusing on the color of my eyelids and couldn't stop.. eventually visuals started appearing, millions of turning geometrical shapes and weird objects in 2dimensions all raced upwards in front of me.. My pupils were dilated and I tripped with those shapes for around 30 minutes, then started tripping harder.. a whole world was created around me and I was paralyzed completely I could only move in that world
When I woke up I thought it might have been lack of sleep or even a lucid dream (because that second part was actually pretty awesome)
after that day though, I would question my reality more even when sober.. sometimes I felt people watching me at times, and had uncontrollable muscle spasms but all of this not hard to remove from my head, unless I was high
a few days ago I tripped on a small dose of shrooms and helped many friends of mine who were having bad trips, after that day it hasn't happened again sober or not.. but today I read this thread: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17388779/page/1/fpart/1
and I found myself with many of those symptoms, hence the question
I know it is possible but what are possible red flags? besides the ones I had lol
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Maybe you trust a friend or family member enough to ask them if they are noticing something different or odd about you. They can maybe tell you a bit more, or keep an eye on you. If it is schizophrenia, you don't want to have this develop into it's full force. I know this is not what you want to hear, but it is probably for the best not to use any psychedelics for a good while, including weed.
Take good care, mate.
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I don't read anything you describe as a sign of schizophrenia. It sounds like all paranoia to me, which could be caused by the combination of a bad trip experience alone, and worsened by a cannabis habit in your case.
If you plan on continuing cannabis use, i'd suggest going for strains that have relatively high CBD levels and those tend to produce more of a stoned then high sensation, possibly reducing the feelings of paranoid anxiety a bit. Alternatively you could try to treat the anxiety part of the problem by means of xanax and such. I doubt that will remove the paranoia though, but it is likely to make your reaction to it less severe.
Another idea may be to revisit LSD, but this time in a lower dosage and comfortable environment. This would obviously be very experimental, but perhaps having a nice trip may somehow offset your previous negative experience and lift fear from experiencing that again.
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wise words above...
IMHO you're cool and there's nothing to be concerned about at all.
You have opened up the psyche and now you just need to go through a process of further integration.
I suggest rest your brain for a while and I also suggest cutting down on your cannabis use. Daily habitual use can definitely support the state you are describing.
I also agree that in time, a perhaps lower dose acid trip will support integration and re-balancing.
Welcome!
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Just calm down and take a pause for some months or maybe years.
After weekly (weekends) consume of high doses of shrooms and LSD some years ago, i felt suddenly very paranoid, saw people in bushes and some other crazy shit.
But after 3-4 weeks it was absolutely gone.
Eat healthy, do regulary sports and you will soon be fine!
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might be HPPD not schizophrenia
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might be HPPD not schizophrenia
I agree
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Yeah, maybe HPPD. I figure if you're really schizophrenic you would not think you're schizophrenic.
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through most of my life smoking weed would make me overthink a lot and in most cases, whenever I listened to some nice trance (armin van buuren, tiesto, deadmau5, etc..) I would effortlessly be able to create stories in my head that I could detail with amazing clarity.. the first time it happened it lasted pretty long and had me eyes closed, lying in a seat for 30 minutes while my playlist played.. I never had any problems with that I've always thought I'm very creative..
as a kid I played with my hands until way later than everybody else.. I have many habits I've never been able to take care of..
After my first LSD trip (I did 300 mcg, tripped ultra super hard, complete loss of ego, report posted somewhere in forums) I noticed that when I get very high (many days of the week) I would sometimes feel like everybody was watching me and I'd have minor flashbacky types of thoughts (about my trip) and whenever I was alone I would question the reality of everything, including my own sanity.. My pupils would get dilated (not completely though) whenever it happened.. I thought well weed is a minor hallucinogen and it didn't happen while sober.. until it did
I was studying very late, had eaten and slept badly for a few days.. and when I went to bed I couldn't sleep because my brain started thinking a lot.. I tried to force myself to sleep but when I closed my eyes for some reason I started focusing on the color of my eyelids and couldn't stop.. eventually visuals started appearing, millions of turning geometrical shapes and weird objects in 2dimensions all raced upwards in front of me.. My pupils were dilated and I tripped with those shapes for around 30 minutes, then started tripping harder.. a whole world was created around me and I was paralyzed completely I could only move in that world
When I woke up I thought it might have been lack of sleep or even a lucid dream (because that second part was actually pretty awesome)
after that day though, I would question my reality more even when sober.. sometimes I felt people watching me at times, and had uncontrollable muscle spasms but all of this not hard to remove from my head, unless I was high
a few days ago I tripped on a small dose of shrooms and helped many friends of mine who were having bad trips, after that day it hasn't happened again sober or not.. but today I read this thread: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17388779/page/1/fpart/1
and I found myself with many of those symptoms, hence the question
I know it is possible but what are possible red flags? besides the ones I had lol
Hi,
This sounds very similar to a lucid dream I had after extensive MDMA use.. Sleep paralysis, aware of yourself whilst dreaming, able to interact (visually) with the real world... do some research on lucid dreams / night terrors / awake dreaming. I would bet that this is what you experienced.
Ace
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Man, I get closed eye visuals (& often open eye visuals) all the time when I am caning weed. It takes like a week of total abstinence before it begins to fade.
Not sure if this has been brought on by my use of Ecstasy or LSD / shrooms in the past or if it is just a side effect of the weed.
But when this trippyness is not there anymore I kind of miss it. Pure black when you close your eyes means that there is nothing to look at or focus on except your own thoughts.
When you are waiting in a long queue it is soothing to just stare at the floor and watch as it transforms into an undulating ocean!
Don't worry man, they are just harmless patterns. Just visual manifestation of structure, sequences, series and natural mathematical phenomena. You subconscious somehow projects a dimension or aspect of these electrical and structural workings onto the visual processing part of your brain.
I don't cane drugs like I used to and seem to have reached a point where it does not get any worse and in fact gets better when I lay off the weed for a few days to a week.
But I like weed too much to do much laying off, lol.
Even small amounts of weed will give me the visuals when going to bed, but will wear off by the next day so that I can actually concentrated on work instead of the shimmering carpets and doors:)
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I've found that I have residual hallucinogenic effects for a day or two after a heavy acid trip, though I don't get that paranoia but you may be worrying too much about some benign effects.
Still, psychedelics CAN trigger underlying latent mental conditions and if this persists for a while then you might want to look into it deeper. I'd opt to stay positive though, HPPD (real hppd, most people think they have it but its just mild static or sleep deprivation causing hallucinations more often than not), I doubt you have HPPD or schiz. Just focus on the idea that everything will be okay. That way you'll stop thinking about things that probably aren't there, but if they persist then you can start thinking about what to do next.
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Look man, relax. Take a bit of time away. When I was about 15 I bought a hit of cid from my friends older brother. Me and about 15 of my friends took it... I had a little less than an 8ball of coke too.
So, we drop the hit. After about an hour we're like "yeah this is bullshit."
It actually wasn't and it fucked me up long and hard. Oh yeah, plus we started doing the cocaine like immediately.
Imagine manic state much? Schizophrenia? Voices?
I was seriously fucked for weeks. It was a terrible night. Up and down - up and down. Always tripping.
Morning time came and my dad picked me up from my friends, thought it would be a good time to take me and my sister to the local parking lot to teach us how to drive. OMG.
Then when I got home my brother wanted to play video games.
I remember hearing voices in my head, and just being completely out of it, tired, strung out, and hadn't slept from the cidney.
I was washing my hair and musta been 5 min while I listened to the voices in my head. I thought I was seriously fucked...enter: "am I schizophrenic?"
Tripping again after that was always giving me anxiety.
Nowadays I seem to have ok or nice trips, but what I personally like to do when I am planning on getting blasted is the following : have a bit of opiate/benzo/weed on hand.
So if I trip out HARD as fuck. I take the opiate/benzo/weed combo (usually like 10mg hydro, .25 xanax or kpin and however much chronic) as I come down, this knocks me right the fuck out.
I wake up the next morning feeling refreshed and sort of not remembering anything as reality, it was all just a crazy ass dream to me.
In turn, I find I am better able to digest the experience and analyze it...it's like the wave comes, crashes, I drown, and then whenever I am brought back to life I make myself go to sleep via the method described...then I wake up 8 - 12 hours later highly refreshed and able to ponder the experience.
Hope this helps mate.
Also, if you try to convince yourself that you are fucked in the head, likely you'll just keep doing that. Thought loops don't only exist in the psychedelic world. They just seem more palpable and observable.
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hey all of you thanks a lot for your replies
I had been living outside of my country for a few months and I went back for break and took a break from drugs (except alcohol)
the night before I left i took 1/2 a tab and it helped me so much.. It really set the tone for a great break. I thought everything through and definitely hppd that I still feel sometimes but I can focus out of it because I realized now that I was also suffering from bad, bad, bad depression.. I didn't shower for weeks I slept over 18 hours and then I didn't sleep for over 40 more.. I never knew which day of the week it was.. I wasn't doing anything, I didn't shower for days I didn't shave for weeks and all of this happened while I thought everything was as normal and good as always.
over break I realized what happened to me and started using the effects lsd left me with to refocus my life to a much more positive direction
thanks for all your tips I really found them helpful