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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: microRNA on November 07, 2012, 03:01 am
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Just wanted to warn people there is a danger associated with use of 25I-NBOME which has caused a number of deaths already
PLEASE BE CAREFUL
Those distributing the drug are being charged for the deaths of these people, one man even facing murder charges - so please be careful and use some caution before handing it out to your friends - one is facing a mandatory minimum of twenty years
A couple of these cases report it as lsd or 2ci but this is just misinformed statements by the media. general consensus is that all these deaths are caused by a sensitivity to 25i that causes potentially fatal seizures. the ones with links grouped together are for the same case and include links to forums discussing how it was nbome rather than lsd or 2ci in each case
Reports of 6 deaths:
http://www.wral.com/warrants-cary-teen-involved-in-lsd-sale-that-killed-apex-teen/11697353/
www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/649693-Apex-student-dies-after-taking-LSD-another-teen-charged
http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2012/06/adam_budge_18_charged_with_murder_following_friends_synthetic_drug_overdose.php
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188208
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20120820/ARTICLES/120829975?p=1&tc=pg
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/11/21-year-old_dies_after_one_dro.html
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/629949-25i-NBOME-Overdose-Leads-to-Another-Death
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/06/21/2-face-charges-in-synthetic-drugs-case-in-nd-mn/
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/10/29/man-accused-of-making-deadly-drugs-pleads-guilty/
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TL;DR:
this is a summary by erowid confirming these deaths were caused by 25i:
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ci_nbome/2ci_nbome_death.shtml
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This is scary.... i blacked out on 25i one night while i was alone and woke up in the morning! i could of died... never trying it again
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really glad you posted this bro my friend keeps buying this shit and selling it I've told this dude numerous times this shit is no good and there is a reason its so fucking cheap no amount of money is worth someone dying over I've been there when someone tried to sell us fake acid before and long story short someone ended up getting shot and everyone went to jail bottom line is fuck the profit margin i have a guilty conscience and couldn't sell someone shit that isn't really what it was I have a real job anyways but rc's fucking suck anyways imo i'll stick to what i know and have always held up lucy,molly,shrooms,weed but people do whatever you like but i advise not re-selling this shit it's not a hard choice really lets see 5-life in jail or $500+ in profit not a hard choice in my opinion but like i said i work a legit job and dabble on the side just really think this shit over i for one don't fuck with shit that has the possibility of killing someone you never know what pre-existing medical conditions the buyer has or how loose his fucking lips are to me there are things more important in life than making a fast dollar yeah money is nice but its not so nice when some of that money comes from someone losing their life over
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75% of the "acid"in my area is this shit or Dox
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scary stuff.
why do all of these articles fail to mention the dose that these people took?
I wonder if its dangerous is low doses or if its just cases where they accidentally consumed 100mg.
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This is scary.... i blacked out on 25i one night while i was alone and woke up in the morning! i could of died... never trying it again
Ive had 3 seizures on this shit now. people that were with me were terrified. First i was out for an hour just collapsed spasming on the floor second time was about an hour after in the middle of a city however my friends told people i was an epileptic. Third time was a fuck up the other week of which i only did it again because i believed the first seizures to be results of some E pills we had at the time. Now i have seen all this i am definitely not touching them again. I have 30 tabs of the stuff i will probably just flush them down the toilet as its clearly not worth the risk giving them to someone.
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some member has posted twice about his experience, he claims he had two seizures. What he may not have realized was how close to fatal seizures are.
as for the dose: obviously with a percentage of people even twice recommended could be a problem. Compare to something like LSD where the worst outcome of a uber megadose is "merely" pyschosis. How do you know a blotter has been perfectly dosed? there are too many well understood drugs to dick around with, you'd have to be a real fiend to play the odds on this one.
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this makes me worry about all the 25c i have sold :(
any good news?
is 25c safer than 25i?
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this is really scary.
I had 25 tabs and tripped at least 5- 6 times with my buddies, and every single experience was awesome.
Now, after all the tabs are over, i find out that people have died from it !!!
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this is really scary.
I had 25 tabs and tripped at least 5- 6 times with my buddies, and every single experience was awesome.
Now, after all the tabs are over, i find out that people have died from it !!!
Yep, ive had around the same amount of experiences with it as you have although two experiences ended in seizures lasting from 35mins- over an hour. and two experiences turned into bad trips which were terrifying. Its true you can have really good experiences with this stuff however i have now learned my lesson and wont be touching any Nbome chemical again :)
Be careful if you do take it can never be sure what the dosage is when dealing with micrograms mate.
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I have consumed 25c twice (600ug and 2x600ug tabs) with my mates and haven't experienced anything terrible. The trips were quite enjoyable to be honest. And I'm currently waiting for my 25i tabs to arrive. I have to admit that this makes me a bit worrisome. Not terribly, but still.
Hmm, I had a quick read on errowid (just now) about these fatalities and some of them are clearly just because the substance was abused instead of used.
In October 2012, 21-year-old Clayton Otwell died in New Orleans, LA, reportedly after insufflating a drop of 2C-I-NBOMe at a festival. The material was in a liquid of unknown potency. Otwell is said to have been ingesting caffeinated alcoholic drinks for several hours beforehand.
Alcohol+Caffeine+liquid of unknown potency. I wouldn't blame the substance in that case.
In July 2012, 25-year-old Stephanie Chappell Hobson died in North Carolina, USA, reportedly after consuming 2C-I-NBOMe with her boyfriend. The material was in "pill" form, so dosage is unknown. However analysis of the pills suposedly found that they did contain "25i" (Another name used for 2C-I-NBOMe). Hobson died more than 12 hours after taking the substance.
Another case of unknown dosage and she maybe even didn't know what she was ingesting. And why would someone sell NBOME as a pill? Just to crush it and snort it?
On June 12 2012, 17-year-old Elijah Stai reportedly died in Minnesota, USA after consuming 2C-I-NBOMe which he thought was a mushroom extract. Reportedly he and a few friends mixed the chemical with melted chocolate and ate the candy. He exhibited significant serious negative physical effects before "passing out, never to wake again". Some news reports have been incorrectly referring to 2C-I-NBOMe "2C-I", which is a different chemical.
That case is altogether weird as as far as my knowledge goes, NBOMEs aren't active orally. But it's said here that he ate it after mixing the chemical with melted chocolate. Can someone clarify this?
All in all lot's of fear is being generated. Sure, these substances have a bigger potential for OD than 'cid, so people shouldn't take them as a substitute to it (LSD). Everything has it's own nuances and everything should be treated so. I'll still do my 25i tabs when I get them, true I'll probably do half (0.5x1200ug), instead of the whole that I initially planned, but I'll still do it.
Stay safe everyone.
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I have tripped 10+ with 25i/c...I never had a problem with it apart from a headache once or twice but it was sorted with a nurofen. I gave a tab to a girl once and threw up for no reason (she didn't drink and she didn't smoke weed either ) but she was alright after she threw up...It seemed weird and I got a bit scared...
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Im not trying to scare anyone or stir up fear - just want people to be aware of the danger and make sure they dont end up getting charged with murder for trying to share a psychedelic experience with their friends.
at least a couple of the deaths resulted from blotter - so you can assume the dose wasnt too much larger than a normal recreational dose. its just fucked this is legal (for now, probably not long) and lsd is illegal - which has only caused a couple confirmed deaths that were actually from lsd - and these people took MASSIVE overdoses - no where near a recreational dose. the safety of lsd is that you can overdose and as mentioned essentially have very few physiologically toxic consequences unlike 25i obviously... people have even snorted straight lsd crystal and recovered fully
i believe nbome is actually active when ingested orally - its just at a much higher dosage, not positive though
another issue is they dont say what else may have been in the persons system and what might be interacting to potentiate the danger
i actually have not seen the same reports of danger from 25c as i have from 25i - didnt find a single report of death from 25c interestingly
*** if you are going to use it - i would make sure you know what to do if they start to have a seizure - get them to the ground safely (make sure they dont fall out of a chair etc) and lay them in the recovery position if possible, clearing the airway (can choke on their tongue) and call for medical help immediately (who the fuck let you have a seizure for an hour without getting help??? most seizures last a min or two max). possibly have 3-4 mg of clonazepam to crush and give the person sublingually although this may be dangerous itself
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Im not trying to scare anyone or stir up fear - just want people to be aware of the danger and make sure they dont end up getting charged with murder for trying to share a psychedelic experience with their friends.
at least a couple of the deaths resulted from blotter - so you can assume the dose wasnt too much larger than a normal recreational dose. its just fucked this is legal (for now, probably not long) and lsd is illegal - which has only caused a couple confirmed deaths that were actually from lsd - and these people took MASSIVE overdoses - no where near a recreational dose. the safety of lsd is that you can overdose and as mentioned essentially have very few physiologically toxic consequences unlike 25i obviously... people have even snorted straight lsd crystal and recovered fully
i believe nbome is actually active when ingested orally - its just at a much higher dosage, not positive though
another issue is they dont say what else may have been in the persons system and what might be interacting to potentiate the danger
i actually have not seen the same reports of danger from 25c as i have from 25i - didnt find a single report of death from 25c interestingly
*** if you are going to use it - i would make sure you know what to do if they start to have a seizure - get them to the ground safely (make sure they dont fall out of a chair etc) and lay them in the recovery position if possible, clearing the airway (can choke on their tongue) and call for medical help immediately (who the fuck let you have a seizure for an hour without getting help??? most seizures last a min or two max). possibly have 3-4 mg of clonazepam to crush and give the person sublingually although this may be dangerous itself
It was a seriously fucked up situation if im being honest which would have ended with a lot of us most likely arrested as well as completely unable to talk at the time. Also at the time none of us knew how fatal seizures lasting this long could have been to me i guess im lucky.
Another factor is that the first time where i had the two seizures i had been taking pills as well as drinking and dancing around in a fairly warm room so i blamed it on overheating and dismissed it being an OD. When it happened recently it was off two of tylers tabs on SR at 1200ug each. It lasted around 35minutes then i woke up and came around although had no memory of it happening.
My aim is not to scare people out of doing 25i-nbome however just to make them aware and to be careful with it. I know from personal experience it can be really good one moment then go so wrong so quickly.
Good Luck if you do decide to take it and hope all goes well :)
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ive noticed the prices of this shitty drug have nosedived , now i know why.... A friend told me you need a very accurate expensive piece of kit to lay this drug to a blotter because the doses are so small. Can anyone confirm this?
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I don't know for sure what is needed to accurately measure this drug however the active dose is in the micrograms. Anything that is active in the Micrograms (ug) will need very accurate tools to put the chemicals onto blotter paper. It would be my guess that something accurate enough to do this would be very expensive. Thing you need to ask is how do you know buying tabs of 25i on the road actually have that amount of 25i on them.
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Im not trying to scare anyone or stir up fear -
Horseshit. You are blatantly falling for a psyops campaign likely instigated by the Drug Warriors and frankly you should know better.
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Im not trying to scare anyone or stir up fear -
Horseshit. You are blatantly falling for a psyops campaign likely instigated by the Drug Warriors and frankly you should know better.
are you saying that those death reports on erowid are made up?
Maybe some posts on here aren't true, but those death reports are definitely true.
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i dont know what psyops or drug warriors means - just because i contribute to the community does not mean i know everything about the RC market
i trust erowid - and there is no way someone falsified the deaths of those people and made up the articles on news websites
i am not trying to scare anyone. i am genuinely concerned for the safety of members because i care about them, so i am trying to make sure they aware of potential risks. i advocate responsible informed use but never told anyone not to take the drug
if you want to counter my claims that is fine but at least provide some evidence as i have
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Anyone got the experience of taking nbomes after working out? The reason I ask this is I did this once, and the DOMs in my calves and lower back were so much worse than normally. Probably the worst I ever had. So I'm trying to figure out if this has to do with the drug, or I just exercised real fuckin hard that day.
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ive noticed the prices of this shitty drug have nosedived , now i know why.... A friend told me you need a very accurate expensive piece of kit to lay this drug to a blotter because the doses are so small. Can anyone confirm this?
you can buy a milligram scale for about 20 dollars.
You can use volumetric measuring and lay blotter pretty easily. Its a very cheap and simple way to measure doses.
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ive noticed the prices of this shitty drug have nosedived , now i know why.... A friend told me you need a very accurate expensive piece of kit to lay this drug to a blotter because the doses are so small. Can anyone confirm this?
you can buy a milligram scale for about 20 dollars.
You can use volumetric measuring and lay blotter pretty easily. Its a very cheap and simple way to measure doses.
Nbome doses are more like in micrograms though.
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ive noticed the prices of this shitty drug have nosedived , now i know why.... A friend told me you need a very accurate expensive piece of kit to lay this drug to a blotter because the doses are so small. Can anyone confirm this?
you can buy a milligram scale for about 20 dollars.
You can use volumetric measuring and lay blotter pretty easily. Its a very cheap and simple way to measure doses.
Nbome doses are more like in micrograms though.
yea, i'm talking about using volumetric measuring. You could weigh 100mg and dissolve it in 100ml of liquid. making 1ml = 1mg.
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,,,lsd is illegal - which has only caused a couple confirmed deaths that were actually from lsd...
Source? From what I understand there has never been a single confirmed death caused by an overdose of LSD.
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"Laches later admitted to investigators that he sold two acid hits..."
fucking dumbass high school kid. Possible he got it off of SR too since it says they got it in the mail.
If you live with your parents then please don't travel this road. Just my opinion. Doesn't mean much, but these kids make things more difficult for those of us that are responsible adults living responsible lives.
As for 25i-nbome...thanks for the warning. I tried 25c-nbome twice and didn't like it and while the nbomes are each unique I'm done with them. I've got real lsd on the way.
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25i-nbome has been placed on emergency drug schedule 1 in Louisiana as of today.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=69532.0
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,,,lsd is illegal - which has only caused a couple confirmed deaths that were actually from lsd...
Source? From what I understand there has never been a single confirmed death caused by an overdose of LSD.
people have died when tripping, not from overdosing.
believing you can fly when you cant.... and the golden gate bridge dont go hand in hand
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there are actually a couple cases of lsd overdoses causing death and multiple others of producing dangerous, potentially deadly, situations that required medical intervention and without which those individuals likely may have also died. these were incredibly high doses, not just mild overdoses
the two reports of death:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4043895
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/845494 and https://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=1389
a report that describes 8 people who snorted lsd accidentally and required medical treatment but all survived
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1129381/
a case of extreme hyperthermia caused by lsd that could have easily been fatal but fortunately received treatment:
https://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=5197
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Yeah man, fuck 25i. My good friend took 2mg of it and within an hour he went fucking crazy. Breaking everything in my room, taking his clothes off, trying to kill my cat. And he kept on repeating every thing like "TECH N9NE!!!!!! STEVEN!!!! TIME DOESNT MATTER MAN, I DONT CARE MAN, STEVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" And he couldnt tell how hard he was grabbing things and when he tried to grab something, he would just completely destroy it, after about 2 hours of this shit i took him to the hospital. All they said was he had low white blood cell count. what the fuck.
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Yeah man, fuck 25i. My good friend took 2mg of it and within an hour he went fucking crazy. Breaking everything in my room, taking his clothes off, trying to kill my cat. And he kept on repeating every thing like "TECH N9NE!!!!!! STEVEN!!!! TIME DOESNT MATTER MAN, I DONT CARE MAN, STEVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" And he couldnt tell how hard he was grabbing things and when he tried to grab something, he would just completely destroy it, after about 2 hours of this shit i took him to the hospital. All they said was he had low white blood cell count. what the fuck.
That's what happens when one goes somewhere one doesn't know when doesn't have the mindset to handle it. I've experienced (on lsd) the sensation that time is irrelevant to the point that it overrode my ability to be careful with shit, but I'm not the type to flip out over it.
If you take psychedelics to get fucked up, they'll fuck you up. Don't underestimate them, seriously people, they will give you whatever you ask for from the fourth power up to the infinitieth or so, depending on dose.
I use psychs to have deeper thoughts about my life and reflect on myself and meditate. My friend wanted to do the same. But know im thinking nbome wasnt the right chemical for that.
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Yeah man, fuck 25i. My good friend took 2mg of it and within an hour he went fucking crazy. Breaking everything in my room, taking his clothes off, trying to kill my cat. And he kept on repeating every thing like "TECH N9NE!!!!!! STEVEN!!!! TIME DOESNT MATTER MAN, I DONT CARE MAN, STEVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" And he couldnt tell how hard he was grabbing things and when he tried to grab something, he would just completely destroy it, after about 2 hours of this shit i took him to the hospital. All they said was he had low white blood cell count. what the fuck.
That's what happens when one goes somewhere one doesn't know when doesn't have the mindset to handle it. I've experienced (on lsd) the sensation that time is irrelevant to the point that it overrode my ability to be careful with shit, but I'm not the type to flip out over it.
If you take psychedelics to get fucked up, they'll fuck you up. Don't underestimate them, seriously people, they will give you whatever you ask for from the fourth power up to the infinitieth or so, depending on dose.
I use psychs to have deeper thoughts about my life and reflect on myself and meditate. My friend wanted to do the same. But know im thinking nbome wasnt the right chemical for that.
I've tripped on 25i about 5 times or so. It creates some truly awesome and beautiful hallucinations and positive thoughts/emotions, but it has NEVER given me any deep personal insight.
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Yeah man, fuck 25i. My good friend took 2mg of it and within an hour he went fucking crazy. Breaking everything in my room, taking his clothes off, trying to kill my cat. And he kept on repeating every thing like "TECH N9NE!!!!!! STEVEN!!!! TIME DOESNT MATTER MAN, I DONT CARE MAN, STEVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" And he couldnt tell how hard he was grabbing things and when he tried to grab something, he would just completely destroy it, after about 2 hours of this shit i took him to the hospital. All they said was he had low white blood cell count. what the fuck.
That's what happens when one goes somewhere one doesn't know when doesn't have the mindset to handle it. I've experienced (on lsd) the sensation that time is irrelevant to the point that it overrode my ability to be careful with shit, but I'm not the type to flip out over it.
If you take psychedelics to get fucked up, they'll fuck you up. Don't underestimate them, seriously people, they will give you whatever you ask for from the fourth power up to the infinitieth or so, depending on dose.
I use psychs to have deeper thoughts about my life and reflect on myself and meditate. My friend wanted to do the same. But know im thinking nbome wasnt the right chemical for that.
I've tripped on 25i about 5 times or so. It creates some truly awesome and beautiful hallucinations and positive thoughts/emotions, but it has NEVER given me any deep personal insight.
Yeah, i did lsd for the first time a few weeks ago and i gotta say, i had the most profound experience of my life. It was amazing.
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For the record ENBOOM does not condone the consumption of 25i-NBOMe and our blotters are for novelty use only.
That being said, When producing our art tabs, we use volumetric measuremnets. However, the way we do it is in no way simple, and the typical human does not have access to the equipment we have.
We use a microgram scale to measure out 900.00mg of 25i-NBOMe. One thing people NEED to notice with milligram scales is that air pressure (wind) affects them, as well as the built in equipment error.which could range from +/- 5-25mg. What is printed on them is actually inaccurate especially the chinese scales.
The microgram scale we use is a peice of equipment that costs well over 10k USD. And is technically accurate to 1nanogram.
We also use micro-pippetes which release a single drop of liquid which is ALWAYS the same amount. Get about 100 of these and hook it up to a nice machine that'll drop them consistently across 100 individual tabs and repeat 9 times per print.
I assume the average person would simple use volumetric measurement and splash it across a sheet which will create hotspots. Last time we did a GC/MS test on individual blotter by this method you can get 2000ug +/- 100ug on a single one if not prepared properly. Please everyone exercise caution.
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Buy some 2c-b.... superior in every way :)
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I don't know anything about 25i but I tried Nevita's 25c(800ug) as single,double,triple and 4 tabs all together.I guess it's not dangerous for me,there wasn't any seizure or something uncomfortable.25c is so clean substance I think,it's very similar to lsd in this respect but of course it's so far from the depth of lsd.And 2c-xs also much more deeper and special than 25c for me.If I double my regular dose of 2c-p or 2c-e that causes a huge difference,they are completely different at high doses,it's like I am in another universe, but I can't tell there's a very big difference between 1 tab and 4 tabs of 25c for me.However it seems very safe substance to me,maybe safer than 2cp at reasonable high doses...
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Micro,
Thanks for informing us of this... Got to be so careful these days.
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I know that im going to get a lot of negative karma for this but I think that 25-xxxx should be banned from SR. There are a number of users of this forum who have reported life threatening problems from ingesting close to the recreational dose. I took 2 tabs of supposed 1mg 25i-nbome and came up within 20 minutes and instantly puked for 10 minutes strait. After that was over i started tripping so hard that i was delerious. I blacked out for 8 hours and probabley had a seizure and ever since then my left eye lid is droopy and i cant concentrate hard.
This substance is dangerous! Not to mention thousands and thousands of people are ingesting it thinking that its lsd! 99.99% of "acid" in my area is nbome! lots of people in my area have been hospitalized over it with life threatening symptoms. Shady dealers come on here and see that they can get it for less than a dollar a hit and sell it for extreme profit and they have no regard for their customers lives! im pretty sure that most of the nbome that is distributed around the united states comes from SR in the form of blotters! Nbome will be one of those things that could compromise SR after a kid dies from it and the law enforcement gets wind that this drug comes from SR!!
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That's against the whole ideals of this website. We have been working on getting custom printed blotter to designate 25i-nbome as 25i-NBOMe to prevent such blatant disregard for human life. The mentality that anything should be banned from an individual is against what ideals SR was founded upon.
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Hmm, well this definitely made for some interesting reading. Would have been nice to stumble upon this thread earlier as I have placed a very large order for 25i-nbome caps with Tyler and had planned on reselling them. Gonna have to think twice about that now. I have closely inspected the caps and they look decent, although since I haven't tried hallucinogens before I was reluctant to try it on myself first. I gave 1 cap to a mate of mine who is a massive psychedelic user and he reported it didn't do much at all to him.
Either way, this made some good reading, cheers for posting!
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ive noticed the prices of this shitty drug have nosedived , now i know why.... A friend told me you need a very accurate expensive piece of kit to lay this drug to a blotter because the doses are so small. Can anyone confirm this?
No, your friend have no idea how laying blotters looks like.
Look, you have 1 gram of some nbome, suppose that is about 1000 doses. So all you need are perforated blotter paper with 1000 squares, flat dish (big enough to fit dimension of blotter), solvent (water or alcohol, amount of solvent does not matter, just enough to dissolve all stuff, and not too much to let it dry fast).
So you dissolve all your nbome in solvent, put blotter paper in dish, pour solution on dish, and now just be patient and let it to dry. Thats it. You have 1000 blotters distributed evenly with 1 mg each.
This method is very easy, safe and hard to go wrong. I suspect that some people make it another way, putting drops on each square, this method is not precise and the result really can be dangerous. It can be good for lsd, not for stuff like nbome
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im out, never nbome 25i, the dosage is uncertain, I took what was 1mg per [] complexed, sublingual, saw death up close, to outside!
I was hospitalized with severe cardio-respiratory, very uncertain that substance, not nominate anyone, many people will die of it there yet, write what I'm saying and will put blame on the molecule, LSD yes this is magical, 25x Nbome im out!
No joke bro, after today I'm here to recover researching cases of overdoses on this drug, it is unusual, a lot of people dying, not to make sure the amount that causes an overdose, or the amount contained in these blotters, repeat and warning guys, who will be using guinea pig like me, really knows anything about this drug.
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I have heard about the deaths but if you do some research ..these people had the following problems when ingesting the substance.
A) Some deaths are reported after EATING NBOME PILLS... nbome is not active orally so an overdose of the chemical with small feel of effects is possible.
B)People where ingesting MULTIPLE tabs of 1mg til they felt something(overdose, illness) CRAZY, nbome is not active orally, just subliminally.
When someone buys Nbome form me I understand he has done some research on it; The problem comes in the distribution; maybe a vendor that buys 5k-10k blotters gives out 1k to some street dealers.. and you know how this guys work.. they will try to get as much as they can; they have no morals. They will sell it as LSD if they can.. and here confusions occurs.. when you are expecting one effect and you get another.
now MY THEORY ..
Government propaganda against this new drug that is expanding quick and opening too much minds at a cheap price so its available for almost anyone.. the last thing the guys up there want is something near the 60s-80s.. they want robots no humans.
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You can't forget that drugs effect everybody differently both physically and mentally.
I'm a tall guy, small love handles and I've got a good grip on reality, despite a history and family history of schizophrenia, depression etc.
Just because i can eat a shit load of tabs or shoot 400mg of heroin and keep myself together, doesn't mean everyone else can.
Know yourself, know your product.
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I know that im going to get a lot of negative karma for this but I think that 25-xxxx should be banned from SR. There are a number of users of this forum who have reported life threatening problems from ingesting close to the recreational dose. I took 2 tabs of supposed 1mg 25i-nbome and came up within 20 minutes and instantly puked for 10 minutes strait. After that was over i started tripping so hard that i was delerious. I blacked out for 8 hours and probabley had a seizure and ever since then my left eye lid is droopy and i cant concentrate hard.
This substance is dangerous! Not to mention thousands and thousands of people are ingesting it thinking that its lsd! 99.99% of "acid" in my area is nbome! lots of people in my area have been hospitalized over it with life threatening symptoms. Shady dealers come on here and see that they can get it for less than a dollar a hit and sell it for extreme profit and they have no regard for their customers lives! im pretty sure that most of the nbome that is distributed around the united states comes from SR in the form of blotters! Nbome will be one of those things that could compromise SR after a kid dies from it and the law enforcement gets wind that this drug comes from SR!!
Why not get rid of Heroin and crack cocaine too because they destroy 1000000s of lives a year, seriously...
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I don't know if this is one of the deaths reported on bluelight, but it's really sad ( http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/11/21-year-old_dies_after_one_dro.html ) I frequent New Orleans and was at the voodoo festival last month. The local newspapers are all the buzz about some emergency legislative plans to make as much stuff illegal as they can come up with. Drugs that give drugs a bad name should be avoided. If LSD gets put on the blotter wrong, so what? That said I know of two deaths from LSD, both were in the southeast, one recently where a college kid attacked a campus police naked tripping probably on lsd, and another some years ago where a naked college kid on LSD was subdued by the cops as he was crazy raging and they restrained him and he got smothered or had a stroke or something.... but those are not from toxicity of the drug, they are from actions.
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Why not get rid of Heroin and crack cocaine too because they destroy 1000000s of lives a year, seriously...
This!
I can make a thread for every single drug sold in the road.. where most of them have caused more deaths that nbomes...
I personally don't get the point on discrediting a product this way.
peace and love.
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I know that im going to get a lot of negative karma for this but I think that 25-xxxx should be banned from SR. There are a number of users of this forum who have reported life threatening problems from ingesting close to the recreational dose. I took 2 tabs of supposed 1mg 25i-nbome and came up within 20 minutes and instantly puked for 10 minutes strait. After that was over i started tripping so hard that i was delerious. I blacked out for 8 hours and probabley had a seizure and ever since then my left eye lid is droopy and i cant concentrate hard.
This substance is dangerous! Not to mention thousands and thousands of people are ingesting it thinking that its lsd! 99.99% of "acid" in my area is nbome! lots of people in my area have been hospitalized over it with life threatening symptoms. Shady dealers come on here and see that they can get it for less than a dollar a hit and sell it for extreme profit and they have no regard for their customers lives! im pretty sure that most of the nbome that is distributed around the united states comes from SR in the form of blotters! Nbome will be one of those things that could compromise SR after a kid dies from it and the law enforcement gets wind that this drug comes from SR!!
Yes, and we should ban marijuana too because hundreds of people die in the Mexican drug war, or the drug war in the USA. Also thousands are jailed. Clearly marijuana is the number one offender on this site.
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Just wanted to warn people there is a danger associated with use of 25I-NBOME which has caused a number of deaths already
PLEASE BE CAREFUL
Those distributing the drug are being charged for the deaths of these people, one man even facing murder charges - so please be careful and use some caution before handing it out to your friends - one is facing a mandatory minimum of twenty years
A couple of these cases report it as lsd or 2ci but this is just misinformed statements by the media. general consensus is that all these deaths are caused by a sensitivity to 25i that causes potentially fatal seizures. the ones with links grouped together are for the same case and include links to forums discussing how it was nbome rather than lsd or 2ci in each case
Reports of 6 deaths:
http://www.wral.com/warrants-cary-teen-involved-in-lsd-sale-that-killed-apex-teen/11697353/
www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/649693-Apex-student-dies-after-taking-LSD-another-teen-charged
http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2012/06/adam_budge_18_charged_with_murder_following_friends_synthetic_drug_overdose.php
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188208
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20120820/ARTICLES/120829975?p=1&tc=pg
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/11/21-year-old_dies_after_one_dro.html
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/629949-25i-NBOME-Overdose-Leads-to-Another-Death
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/06/21/2-face-charges-in-synthetic-drugs-case-in-nd-mn/
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/10/29/man-accused-of-making-deadly-drugs-pleads-guilty/
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TL;DR:
this is a summary by erowid confirming these deaths were caused by 25i:
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ci_nbome/2ci_nbome_death.shtml
I have had 3 seizures personally from 25i
At first i didnt know it was the 25i as i had taken some mdma however the second time was very close to death with my friends literally slapping me and shouting at me to focus for around an hour and a half with me going in and out of seizures shaking violently and things. Personally i remember saying "*Friend* Help me , violently shaking then waking up going for a piss."
i even had to be reminded that it happened as i didnt know, hell i had a seizure in a busy city center in the UK at about 7am with about 30 commuters watching me and asking to call an ambulance however i woke up in time before they did.
This drug is dangerous and i cannot BEG you enough to be careful when taking it.
Thanks for posting this Micro as people need to know the safety with nbome
CJ
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Can people please state doses that caused seizures as well as vendor in question. Blotter tabs are going to vary in dosage from vendor to vendor. If we assume that there hasn't been any error in the laying of the blotters and every tab is even. Then, we shouldn't see these effects coming from even dosed tabs.
Now, i love the nbome family, but i have personally witnessed that there is a fine line between a nice trip and too much. So, in theory if one of the tabs are heavier than the last, it could result in adverse side effects. This doesn't mean that 25i-nbome is a bad chemical if the cause of the adverse side effects are from overdose. I would be laughed off these forums if i posted "Water danger! Man dies from water due too much consumption of water!"
My point is this. When we are messing with blotters, no matter what chemical is laid on them. There is always a risk of un even tabs. One needs to account for this and never assume that the next tab is going to hit the same as the last. This thread is actually giving me an idea.
I feel sorry for anyone who has life threatening or adverse side effects from their use of 25i-nbome. If 25-I nbome caused me to have a seizure i wouldn't use it again, let alone a third time. Drugs effect everyone body differently (I know so cliche) and everyone has drugs that don't mix with their brain chemistry. One needs to listen to the signs their body is informing them and adjust their actions accordingly.
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Can people please state doses that caused seizures as well as vendor in question. Blotter tabs are going to vary in dosage from vendor to vendor. If we assume that there hasn't been any error in the laying of the blotters and every tab is even. Then, we shouldn't see these effects coming from even dosed tabs.
I would be surprised if advertised dosages are usually accurate, whether on purpose by the vendor or not. Then there are variances in absorption based on the type of paper and such. And of course dosages can vary even on the same sheet. Finally, we don't all react to these chemicals the same way anyway. I gave my 25c-NBOMe another try and I've now sworn it off forever (again)...the terrible side effects such as raging anxiety occur at a lower dose than the positives for me personally.
LSD has decades of use giving us a good idea of its safety. The majority of users also report a better experience from LSD. For somebody that doesn't already have experience with the NBOMes I wouldn't be able to recommend they even try them because of the possibility, however small, that they'll have a bad reaction. Seems all of the deaths reports are from 25i-NBOMe so that one in particular just doesn't seem worth it even if the risk of death is only 0.001%.
This is just my opinion. Other than occasional death, my biggest frustration with this chemical is that it is often being sold as LSD. That's just totally unacceptable.