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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: P2P on May 16, 2013, 01:34 am
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Can we stop with this shit already? It's 100% MDMA HCl. Just like your powdered cocaine (which vendors advertise as 99.9/99/100% pure) is Cocaine HCl. What is the purpose for perpetuating this?
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In pure HCL salt MDMA, the MDMA volume is 84% of the total weight/volume and the HCL salt occupies the other 16%.
100% if you'd like.
But chemically it's 84%.
Street-wise etc. it's 100% because it's the maximum achievable purity for MDMA HCL.
Of course, Shulgin's advice on dosages are for pure MDMA, so it's more correct to say 84%, chemically and for dosage purposes. So if you have 100 mg, you will have ~84 mg of pure MDMA. And go from there ^_^
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In pure HCL salt MDMA, the MDMA volume is 84% of the total weight/volume and the HCL salt occupies the other 16%.
100% if you'd like.
But chemically it's 84%.
Street-wise etc. it's 100% because it's the maximum achievable purity for MDMA HCL.
Of course, Shulgin's advice on dosages are for pure MDMA, so it's more correct to say 84%, chemically and for dosage purposes. So if you have 100 mg, you will have ~84 mg of pure MDMA. And go from there ^_^
I'm aware of that. It doesn't change the fact, though, that it's 100% MDMA HCl
I've never heard of it being dosed in any other form. Unless there have been individuals that have gulped down liquid MDMA base (although this seems dangerous unless you have beakers/grad cylinders in your home to verify the volume and convert that to mass via the known density of MDMA).
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Freebase mdma? Powder?
Ehh, the people who use 84% are probably chemists :)
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just not true.
84% is ACCURATE.
it's a salt, not a base.
end of story.
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Those are the standards of comparison. And if we started with 84%, 100% is just more confusing.
Plus, it's chemically correct to say 84%.
The freebase form which is a powder I think, that one has 100%.
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just to clarify, i'm in agreement with you and in disagreement with the OP
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just to clarify, i'm in agreement with you and in disagreement with the OP
I don't understand why you disagree that a pure batch of MDMA.HCl is 100% MDMA.HCl.
NotACop, My argument is actually that 100% would be a lot less confusing (do you think everyone knows that 84% MDMA is the same as saying 100% MDMA.HCl?). Sellers don't need to be selling their MDMA products as 84% pure for the sake of some claim to chemical integrity. Neither is necessarily better than the other; I'm just confused as to why the 84% mark gained diffusion, since 100% just looks and sounds so much better from a marketing perspective. Maybe it's some kind of a mindfuck - giving the buyer the impression that the seller is trustworthy because they will report the exact percentage of what it is the buyer wants within the sample - the problem is, they're missing what really matters i.e. the concentrations of the different isomers within the racemic mixture of MDMA. Hence why this pathetic attempt at precision is just foolhardy on the dealer's part.