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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: panoncakes on July 23, 2012, 10:19 am

Title: Quick heroin question
Post by: panoncakes on July 23, 2012, 10:19 am
I'd like some #4 but none is available in my country and I only order domestic. If I were to get some #3 and add some hydrochloric acid would it produce #4?

If so how much should I use for say 0.25g of #3?
Title: Re: Quick heroin question
Post by: Raoul Duke on July 23, 2012, 10:27 am
this might point you in the right direction.

clearweb - http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154267
Title: Re: Quick heroin question
Post by: panoncakes on July 23, 2012, 12:57 pm
Thanks very much, I'll give it a read.
Title: Re: Quick heroin question
Post by: jh0000n on July 23, 2012, 04:23 pm
You can make #4 from #3 but using .25 would leave you with nothing in the end. You need more like 5 grams to make it at all worthwhile and even then youd probably only end up with 1 gram if your lucky and have good chemistry knowledge.
Title: Re: Quick heroin question
Post by: topsecret123 on July 23, 2012, 06:50 pm
So can you make No3 H from No4 H, bought some but i think i was mis-informed, was told to put manitol or caffein, but when i did that tasted like shit on the foil, dark lines and tasted like acid, nothing like a good No3 H. any advice please?
Title: Re: Quick heroin question
Post by: modest mouse on July 24, 2012, 09:00 am
you cant just take number 4 and cut it to produce #3 because its been converted to the salt form. #3 is freebase, which is easier to convert to salt for dissolving in water than it is to do the reverse. 

smoking #4 is extremely inefficient because the vaporization and combustion temperature are too close, most of the H is wasted. the freebase #3 form vaporizes before it burns and degrades...  cutting will help the vaporization but still most of the #4 will be wasted.
Title: Re: Quick heroin question
Post by: asdfsquared on July 25, 2012, 01:23 am
Why exactly do you want to do this?

it is entirely possible to buy some HCl solution, dilute it, dissolve #3 in it, evaporate the water completely, dry the compound, and you will be left with #4. It won't be any purer, whiter, more soluble in water, or better for administration in any way though. when dope is mostly filler (which it is), its the filler that determines its solubility, color, strength, and purity, and this removes none of that.

purification of said #3/#4 is a different process entirely.

Why does heroin #4 seem "better" than #3? because the process of conversion most typically used includes a purification step.
Title: Re: Quick heroin question
Post by: panoncakes on July 27, 2012, 01:05 pm
I wanted to do it as I heard that #4 is better for snorting and I wanted to try that. It doesn't seem worth it from the information I've been given though.