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Market => Product offers => Topic started by: Nuke on January 14, 2012, 05:21 pm
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Hey fellow SR friends,
I made some oil / tar or whatever you call that. I have way to much for myself and I would like to know if anybody would be interested in. I'm not a real life seller because it wouldve been long gone.
Let me describe the product for those who aren't familiar with this. Me and my friends have smoke and eat that stuff and I can tell you that I wouldnt do anything that would be a health hazard like full of additive petrol based extraction and what not.
Its a methanol extract of A1 hydro bud trim. Trim is soaked in methanol for a while. This green liquid is filtered and then dried.
The methanol has been test for purity. I've evaporate a liter in a glass container and it left no traces. Methanol is very close to alcohol but cannot be drinked. Like any extract should be there isn't any methanol left in the final product because its been drying for months. In any case you'll need to consume a few grams of pure methanol to get sick so it's very very safe to use for extraction.
About the final product.
It's a very very dark green oily tar. It's quite hard when cold and get pretty liquid when heated.
It can be smoke. It won't make any ashes because its been filterer twice and it dont contain any trace of bud dust. It's not a butane honey-like extract so it's obviously less pure and doesnt taste as good. I'ld love to do those honey extracts but clean butane is near to impossible to find and very expensive...i could make some with regular butane and sell it but I know it will contains some unknown residue, i wouldn't smoke it myself so I won't sell that either.
It does contains a high level of THC, how much i dont know but 1 gram last for a long time that's for sure.
I think that what we should do with this stuff is eat it. For those who've never eat cannabis it's a whole different thing than smoking because the "max high" is well, higher ! You can get stoned about 10 times more it's insane.
But how to eat it ?
- You can heat butter and mix oil with it until it dissolve. Then you use the butter for cooking things like cookies. The butter turns green and it does affect the taste a bit. You should always calculate how much oil will be in the final product. Effect will not be the same every day or for everyone. A non-regular smoke should be very cautious with this stuff. Empty stomach or not does matter. I find that .5 gr cookie will make you "smoke" stoned for about 5-6 hours easily. 1gr cookie should get you high for real.
But I dont like greenish cookies that much. You need to make them and sometimes you dont feel like eating cookies, while drinking for example.
So here's what I've been doing.
- Oil pills ! I place about 0.6gr of oil in a regular gel cap and eat it. This is very very strong and almost insane stuff. You can eat one and still feel very stone on the following day. One of my friend wouldnt eat one on saturday because he felt stoned at job on monday. It all depends on the mood but if you're tired you'll probably get the best 15 hours sleeps ever. This is easy to carry with you and consume. You can always open the gelcap and do what you want with the oil.
So for me it's definately the way to go but I have a couple of things to get input on.
0.6 gr seems on the too much side. While I do like them myself my friends, that arent smoking has much, thinks its too much. I think that cutting the dose by half would probably be nice, stoners could always take 2-3 of them. What I'm affraid is that people will take only one at first, get a small buzz and dont like it. It's pretty much like LSD, you know you should take 2-3 doses but you always take 1 because you're affraid. So what dose should it be ?
Another problem is pills conservation. I've made a bunch of them and keep them. After a few month it seems that the gelcap soften a bit and leak. I ends up with a bunch of glued pills. I guess that putting them in the freezer would solve the problem. I could also put a gelcap in another gelcap and I guess it would take a year before leaking but you'll ends up with less oil or bigger caps.
So, sorry for the long read and bad grammar.
Pills containing 0.6 of cannabis extract. Would you buy that ? Price should be quite cheap, easily under 10$ / dose.
If not interested by the oil pills would you like oil alone ? I could always send empty gelcaps also if you like.
Let me know guys !
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Welcome to SR! There's definitely a market for anything here as long as it's the right price. What country are you shipping from?
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Yes they are ALWAYS interested in edibles.
The eating through the gel cap is normal. So the product needs to be dated.
Freezing as you said works, for the most part.
Changing the formula will work to, a mix of coconut oil, and lecithin.
But then you have to take more pills.
You don't talk about how you get the THCA to THC, or decrab?
I think if they work as well as you say, they would sell nicely.
There are more "stoners" so don't worry about too strong.
If anything they complain things are weak.
Are you saying the oil is fully decarbed, and can be eaten as is?
How much per gram, oz, etc
I await your listing.
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Welcome to SR! There's definitely a market for anything here as long as it's the right price. What country are you shipping from?
I'm from Canada. Maybe i could setup some samples for fellow canadians.
A 10$ pill that get you really stoned for 10+ hours and doesn't contain any unknown chemical. I think it's a quite good buzz/money ratio.
Yes they are ALWAYS interested in edibles.
The eating through the gel cap is normal. So the product needs to be dated.
Freezing as you said works, for the most part.
Changing the formula will work to, a mix of coconut oil, and lecithin.
But then you have to take more pills.
You don't talk about how you get the THCA to THC, or decrab?
I think if they work as well as you say, they would sell nicely.
There are more "stoners" so don't worry about too strong.
If anything they complain things are weak.
Are you saying the oil is fully decarbed, and can be eaten as is?
How much per gram, oz, etc
I await your listing.
Thanks for the inputs, you seems to be quite knowledgable.
What is the THCA to THC or decrab things ?
The only steps I use are described in the original post. I guess the results is a concentrate of a few things found in cannabis buds. I've seen people eating grinded buds in butter. Raw weed is edible right ?
I know for a fact that the results is edible and get people high, I've did it countless times and beside reports of being way too stoned no one ever been sick or anything.
I'll need to post pictures, anyone has hints on how to do that with .onion ? It's a butter-like texture and it's dark green, almost black. I guess it's because I'm extracting the chlorophylle as well.
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I hate methanol extractions on trim.. pulls too much green for me. Try Iso/ quickwash ;)
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I think what uniwiz is asking , if not, i will ask how is the extraction done? im still new to oil but isnt alcohol a popular extraction ? as well as propane?... some of this stuff does not need to be ingested at high doses..
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I hate methanol extractions on trim.. pulls too much green for me. Try Iso/ quickwash ;)
I hear you.
Does the "green" really matter when you eat it ? I know it's not the best oil for smoking even though i know a lot of people would likes it. Personnally I dont like to smoke it. It's a very potent emergency buzz when I'm out of weed but that's about it.
I think what uniwiz is asking , if not, i will ask how is the extraction done? im still new to oil but isnt alcohol a popular extraction ? as well as propane?... some of this stuff does not need to be ingested at high doses..
Yes, alcohol is a popular extraction. You can use different kinds, ethanol ( drinkable = expensive), methanol, isopropyl ( rubbing alcohol ).
I've done butane/propane before and it does results in an awesome honey oil. But the butane I find here is not clean, if you evaporate a can you get a small residue on the glass. I wouldnt consume or sell anything made with a solvent that doesn't evaporate at 100%.
As for my extraction process its simple.
I use very dry bud trim. I've did this with leaves too and it does works but you get less oil at the end is its not as strong but still good.
I put the dry trim in a container with methanol and let it soak for a while.
I then drain the container into a filter to remove any solid weed particles.
Liquid goes in a glass container ( think lasagna).
I then let this dry for weeks and the results is the oil.
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I agree withe the too much green from trim statement.
However as long as most of the hard to digress nasty stuff is gone, with the pills it won't matter.
It's the methanol that bothers me.
I use everclear cause I know it won't blind me ;)
You use methanol cause it's cheap.
I think your process work cause you wait a long time for the methanol to evaporate.
and NO raw weed will not get you high when eaten, it must be cured, and decarbed from THCA to THC.
You do this when you burn or heat around 320 F. or let nature (time) take it's place.
Not trying to be a smart ass, but I have played, and done some reading.
It's a lot of work, and mess that others would be willing to pay for, if you don't kill then ;) (j/king)
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I agree withe the too much green from trim statement.
However as long as most of the hard to digress nasty stuff is gone, with the pills it won't matter.
It's the methanol that bothers me.
I use everclear cause I know it won't blind me ;)
You use methanol cause it's cheap.
I think your process work cause you wait a long time for the methanol to evaporate.
and NO raw weed will not get you high when eaten, it must be cured, and decarbed from THCA to THC.
You do this when you burn or heat around 320 F. or let nature (time) take it's place.
Not trying to be a smart ass, but I have played, and done some reading.
It's a lot of work, and mess that others would be willing to pay for, if you don't kill then ;) (j/king)
Thanks again. I'm happy to have inputs of people.
Yes I use methanol because its cheap and I'm confident it's perfectly safe. The cheaper the solvent the better it is as long as it's 100% safe, in my mind it is or i wouldnt eat it.
I've just look into methanol toxicity. 10 ml is the dose that can get you blind. That's like 20 gelcap full of methanol.
The stuff i have now is mix of oil that have dried between 1 and 2 years. Next batch I could use something else like isopropryl, i have 99% pure here. Could evaporate a bottle to see if any residues. I could use drinking alcohol but there's like a 5% water in there and I'm affraid that it will wash some unwanted product.
I'm curious about the THC to THCA youre talking about. Does that means that i should "cook" my oil before eating it ? And how about the "time". Does it mean that if i eat fresh oil it will be less potent that my 2 years old oil ? Thanks !
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It's Ed Rosenthal answering someone's question about heating/eating cannabis.
Marijuana produces THCA, an acid with the carboxylic group (COOH) attached. In its acid form, THC is not very active. It is only when the carboxyl group is removed that THC becomes psychoactive. When marijuana is smoked, the THC behind the hot spot is vaporized as the hot air from the burn is drawn through the joint or pipe bowl to the unburned material. The liquid THC and other cannabinoids have a boiling point of between 180-200° C (355-392° F). Before they turn gaseous, at around 106° C (220° F), the carboxyl group is released from the molecule as carbon dioxide and water vapor.
You will be extracting the THC using low heat in the commercially made Coldfinger Extractor. (They have a very interesting online catalog at www.edenlabs.org). The THC will not reach a temperature in which decarboxylation takes place. However, if you plan to vaporize or smoke the extract decarboxylation will take place as the oil is used.
However, it is easy to make sure all the THC is decarboxylated and is at full strength before it is extracted. Although decarboxylation takes place rapidly at 106° C, it proceeds at a more gradual pace by placing the cannabis in a room with low relative humidity and room temperature. As the temperature rises, the rate of decarboxylation increases.
Cannabis can also be placed in a food dehydrator to remove the carboxyl group. Although the heat in the food dehydrator doesn't rise to 106° C, the temperature is warm enough to promote drying and the release of the water and CO2. When the marijuana is crispy and brittle you can be assured that the carboxyl group has been removed from the cannabinoids and they are ready for extraction or removal from the plant material.
Reading this it seems that my stuff should be fine regarding decarboxylation. I've always used trim that have dried for months and just to remove all the ambient humidity I always dry it on low heat in the oven for an hour.
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Yea by two years it would have converted, and also converted to CBD, which would add to the sleepy stoney effect.
I convert fresh dry weed/hash/trim by placing in sealed oven bag, and heating to 300-320 F for 20 minutes. You MUST not go above 320 F
Crispy but still green, not brown. Brown you went too far
Then I start with oil, alcohol, or butter treatments.
Thanks Nuke.
2 year old converted distilled cannabis sounds very interesting, just because I know it's got to have CBD in it.
The buzz must last a long time.
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Yea by two years it would have converted, and also converted to CBD, which would add to the sleepy stoney effect.
I convert fresh dry weed/hash/trim by placing in sealed oven bag, and heating to 300-320 F for 20 minutes. You MUST not go above 320 F
Crispy but still green, not brown. Brown you went too far
Then I start with oil, alcohol, or butter treatments.
Thanks Nuke.
2 year old converted distilled cannabis sounds very interesting, just because I know it's got to have CBD in it.
The buzz must last a long time.
I think you got this right. In addition to the usual weed effect you also get the sleepy/stone effect that you describe. I usually try to be ready for the trip. I won't take one if i feel that I'm tired already, unless I just want an awesome night of sleep. Anything public related is strictly prohibited, especially driving. This is nothing like smoking weed that's for sure.
Effect is strong and yes it last for a long long time. I usually take one on saturday evening, chill with friends and then get the best night of sleep ever. When I wake up the next morning ( or afternoon lol ) I can still feel it for most of the day. A pleasant aftermath, pretty much like smoking from morning to evening. I even have a friend that claim to be still too stoned at work on monday.
I'll try to get this together. Buying a vacuum sealer and planning on how I'll ship them. The gel cap are thicker than the 5mm max height for a letter so I guess I'ld have to go with a bubble envelope.
Meanwhile if anyone in Canada wants to try it out I guess i could ship a couple of samples.
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I doubt it will survive a bubble mailer crushing, but who knows?
I like the express box, bubble seal, then your vac seal.
might be interesting in getting larger quantity bottled.
It's like 8 year old scotch.
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Dude, its weed nobody is afraid of it on SR. Most, if not all of us are experienced stoners. I think you should make higher dosages as people would love to try it! If you offered a 1G pill I would buy it when I had the money just for the fun of it. So... Make 1g pills, and if people want to bitch let them cut em in half. Or quarter it.
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It won't survive in the mail by itself that's for sure. I'll have to put the pills in a small rigid plastic container.
Bigger quantity in a bottle could also be done but doesn't boxes get more customs inspections ?
I haven't tried the stuff for near a year...i guess I'll have to take a dose before starting to ship it. Just in case the magic isnt there anymore lol.
Dude, its weed nobody is afraid of it on SR. Most, if not all of us are experienced stoners. I think you should make higher dosages as people would love to try it! If you offered a 1G pill I would buy it when I had the money just for the fun of it. So... Make 1g pills, and if people want to bitch let them cut em in half. Or quarter it.
The gel caps i have contains .6 gr if i remember correctly. I now have a .01 scale, I'll weight when i make new ones and give the exact figure. But your free to take 2 at once :) . I've been smoking everyday for 15 years and I would not do that. My heroin addict friend do use double doses...the guy is tough as nails though. About every other friends would like smaller dose. It cant be easily cut, its a gelcap. I could make custom dose though.
SR is definitely more game than most of my friends.
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Any high heat will melt the tabs.
I was assuming you are in the US.
Where are you shipping from?
grasscity.com has a big thread on how to make YAK pills.
doublemint,
It is possible is overdose with cannabis in this way.
Very unpleasant, and not recommend.
Also your smoking tolerance will rise quickly.
Nuke,
Have you tried eating with eggs? Lecithin, and turmeric increase the effect as well.
How bad does this stuff taste?
Can you separate the green stuff out even more? By now it's oil, no? Can you mix with water, and clean the green out?
Mix with alcohol, and make tincture, under your tongue direct to bloodstream.
As you can see we are interested ;)
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Any high heat will melt the tabs.
I was assuming you are in the US.
Where are you shipping from?
grasscity.com has a big thread on how to make YAK pills.
doublemint,
It is possible is overdose with cannabis in this way.
Very unpleasant, and not recommend.
Also your smoking tolerance will rise quickly.
Nuke,
Have you tried eating with eggs? Lecithin, and turmeric increase the effect as well.
How bad does this stuff taste?
Can you separate the green stuff out even more? By now it's oil, no? Can you mix with water, and clean the green out?
Mix with alcohol, and make tincture, under your tongue direct to bloodstream.
As you can see we are interested ;)
It will be shipped from Canada. I dont think it will melt due to heat. unless it's exposed to summer sun for a while. I'll have to try it and refund people if needed.
I haven't tried to eat it with eggs. Well maybe I did a few times but it was not on purpose.
The stuff doesnt taste that bad imo. I've mixed the oil with butter and eat that straight on a toast. It does taste something and I think my mind doesnt like it anymore because I've took too much a couple of times. It's like alcohol, if you get too drunk on tequila you probably won't like the taste for a few months.
I dont think I can remove stuff without some chemistry, its one homogeneous mixture right now and it doesnt mix to water at all. I havent try with hot water though, I think I could try.
Yes it's oil, a very thick oil at room temperature, like molasse I would say. With just a little heat it become quite liquid like olive oil. I've mixed the stuff with alcohol before...hot vodka + oil = fun moments and green mouth. Never tough of taking it under my tongue...my guess is that will take too much and won't be fun to eat. A drop of the oil is enough to make your mouth oily for 5 minutes.
Nice to see some interest ! Like I said I'll try to setup a store soon. Don't know when, I'll have a lot of works for a few weeks so maybe it will be somewhere in february.
Thanks !
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Count me in as definitely interested as well, also as another vote for stronger pills. Some of the THC pills I've tried it takes 6 to 10 to get a decent buzz which kind of a drag (although like most of us on SR I'm an experienced stoner).... $10 a high would be terrific.
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If you make caps with smoking oil in them you can hit two markets with one stone. get it ?
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Any high heat will melt the tabs.
I was assuming you are in the US.
Where are you shipping from?
grasscity.com has a big thread on how to make YAK pills.
doublemint,
It is possible is overdose with cannabis in this way.
Very unpleasant, and not recommend.
Also your smoking tolerance will rise quickly.
Nuke,
Have you tried eating with eggs? Lecithin, and turmeric increase the effect as well.
How bad does this stuff taste?
Can you separate the green stuff out even more? By now it's oil, no? Can you mix with water, and clean the green out?
Mix with alcohol, and make tincture, under your tongue direct to bloodstream.
As you can see we are interested ;)
I have a really high tolerance. I can never get to high; I LOVE getting paranoid. It's a thrill for me, usually happens after 7G+. When you say overdose, you don't mean death right (Takes like 1000X your bodyweight I thought).
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Shipping for gelcaps: need 4 pieces of corrugated cardboard. Take two of the pieces of cardboard and lay them on top of each other. Cut hole through the middle just large enough to hold the gelcap wrapped in a cotton ball (these two pieces act as spacers). Sandwich the gelcap/cotton/holders between the other two pieces of cardboard. Put in bubble mailer and away you go. If pill ruptures during transit, cotton ball soaks up most of the oil and you can still get high from it by letting it sit in your mouth a while.
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Any high heat will melt the tabs.
I was assuming you are in the US.
Where are you shipping from?
grasscity.com has a big thread on how to make YAK pills.
doublemint,
It is possible is overdose with cannabis in this way.
Very unpleasant, and not recommend.
Also your smoking tolerance will rise quickly.
Nuke,
Have you tried eating with eggs? Lecithin, and turmeric increase the effect as well.
How bad does this stuff taste?
Can you separate the green stuff out even more? By now it's oil, no? Can you mix with water, and clean the green out?
Mix with alcohol, and make tincture, under your tongue direct to bloodstream.
As you can see we are interested ;)
I have a really high tolerance. I can never get to high; I LOVE getting paranoid. It's a thrill for me, usually happens after 7G+. When you say overdose, you don't mean death right (Takes like 1000X your bodyweight I thought).
You can't die from cannabis overdose.
I bet you that you can get way too high on my pills though. Maybe you'ld need 1, maybe 2, if you eat 3 or more you're my hero.
I dont know if you've ever eaten thc but this is a whole different world than smoking. Smoking 3 or 10 spliffs feels about the same. Eating thc works much more like alcohol...higher dose = higher buzz and if you go too far you gonna feel quite bad.
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Nuke,
You are correct you won't die.
But newbies will be so f'ing paranoid they might think so. You might have enough CBD to put then to sleep, not sure.
Just let them know if you over do it, give it time. Find a relaxing place, and ride the wave. Hehe 5 hours.
I quite enjoy it. Newbies will NOT. You certainly can't drive.
Read up on space cake scares from tourists in Amsterdam.
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Welcome to SR! There's definitely a market for anything here as long as it's the right price. What country are you shipping from?
A 10$ pill that get you really stoned for 10+ hours and doesn't contain any unknown chemical. I think it's a quite good buzz/money ratio.
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Actually, we don't know what chemicals are in there. So it does contain unknown chemicals. I think you would be better off selling oil.
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I'm really awful at reading, are you selling cannabis oil filled in pills? If so I might actually want some.
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I'm really awful at reading, are you selling cannabis oil filled in pills? If so I might actually want some.
Not selling yet but you are correct.
Actually, we don't know what chemicals are in there. So it does contain unknown chemicals. I think you would be better off selling oil.
Indeed you never know. Like any other drug you have to trust someone. You can always open the gelcap and look at it, smell it, smoke it, wash it with a solvent. You'll see that there's only one thing in there...cannabis oil.
I've explained the process in all honesty. I would never make something that harm me, my friends or anyone. There's no chemical left in the end product and the only thing that could ends up in there is a trace of methanol, a kind of alcohol which is toxic only at high dose. Even the trim that I use is chemical free unlike some buds you can buy. It means that I've didn't collected the trim of batch where spider mite insecticide was used.
I'ld bet that about every oil you can get isn't as clean and as safe as this one.
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You have me interested as well, my only concern is the menthol extraction. I know you use methanol because it is cheap but don't you have access to high proof alcohol in your area? I don't know about Canada and even in the US availability differs from state to state, but where I live 0.75 liters of 190 proof Everclear is around $15.
Maybe I've been influenced by years of bootlegging and moonshining documentaries but I'm just not comfortable with the idea of ingesting methanol.
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Problem is the cost.
It's like 15 to 1.
You got to evaporate all the alcohol anyhow?
Every method has a plus or minus.
Makes the cost much cheaper, like 15 times, plus everclear is hard to get up there.
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are you offering any free samples? thanks :)