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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Mr.Charlie on September 24, 2012, 10:41 pm
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Recently I've noticed a lot of old vendors gone, and some new ones on the scene. But a lot of vendors are requiring Finalize Early for customers outside of the EU, even if they've been on the Road for awhile.
This goes outside of SR rules, and is risky as fuck. Why are so many vendors doing this? Feels like a lot of people are thirsty as fuck out there trying to pull scams.
What's up?!
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Feels like a lot of people are thirsty as fuck out there trying to pull scams.
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Feels like a lot of people are thirsty as fuck out there trying to pull scams.
Guess I answered my own question... Just really pisses me off. I'm trying to get some K and more MDMA, which it isn't too hard to find a good, honest MDMA vendor, but all these K vendors are sketchy as fuck, especially when they're asking for early FE.. I just wish things were like they were when I first got here. Time to play the waiting game i guess
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i'd say some are scams, some are people who didnt have the capital to start selling on here to begin with and the rest are people who require FE because they can and know that there are still plenty of buyers who FE at the drop of a hat.
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I'd say there are more dodgy customers than vendors, and vendors are sick of having to do reships etc.
I personally have a reship rate of about 10%, which doesn't sound a lot but one out of every 10 orders...I've not implemented a reship policy to cut back on it.
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I'd say there are more dodgy customers than vendors, and vendors are sick of having to do reships etc.
good point
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let me tell you my theory about it and I have seen it done before. The reward block for bitcoin mining is about to be cut in half next month which means that the value of bit coin will drop drastically probably back down to around $5 per coin. So be on the look out for a lot of "new" vendors that require FE and then watch as they take the money and run. Be advised and stick to trusted vendors for the next 3 months
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if people stop mining coz its not worth it wouldnt there be less being created so less for sale and they should go up
if thats what would happen if reward block is cut im not sure what that means though
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if people stop mining coz its not worth it wouldnt there be less being created so less for sale and they should go up
if thats what would happen if reward block is cut im not sure what that means though
the reward being halved means that instead of 50btc per block, you will only get 25btc per block. and, yes, a lot of people will be dropping out of mining at that point because the cost of electricity exceeds the amount you get per block. however, like you said, less will be created so the value will go up. we have more online business getting into bitcoin, especially with the rise of bitinstant and the promotion it gives bitcoin. then, we have all the extra promo SR gets, which means more users and more btc being purchased by those users.
basically, btc are the new gold, and in the long run value will only go up.
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Why would the reward block or whatever go down?
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Feels like a lot of people are thirsty as fuck out there trying to pull scams.
Guess I answered my own question... Just really pisses me off. I'm trying to get some K and more MDMA, which it isn't too hard to find a good, honest MDMA vendor, but all these K vendors are sketchy as fuck, especially when they're asking for early FE.. I just wish things were like they were when I first got here. Time to play the waiting game i guess
Check out silent bob for mdma
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why is the reward block or whatever going down. I'm new to this, but I thought bitcoins were like stocks. You buy them and they go up or something?
i'm no pro when it comes to bitcoins myself, but there is only a limited number of bitcoins that will ever be created and the reward is halved this year, and then again next year (or is it '14?) and then all 10mil(or whatever the number is) bitcoins will have been mined.
that's when the value will be extremely high. i've seen predictions of $200-300 per bitcoin on bitcointalk.org ...but that's all speculation
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So, at some point we may be paying 10-20 cents in bitcoins for stuff we buy here?
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As a vendor i have had already two people this week tell me give me coin or i will fuck your feedback up there is alot of scams tryna go down lately
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As a vendor i have had already two people this week tell me give me coin or i will fuck your feedback up there is alot of scams tryna go down lately
i would recommend you get yourself a solid refund/reship policy to cover your ass in such cases
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please everyone do your part to boycott these vendors requiring established buyers with good stats FE. i understand if you are new or have bad stats especially, but FE is the way people scam on SR... if you FE youre just handing your money to thieves
if nothing is done and we continue to support these vendors requiring FE more and more scams will continue to appear
if everyone refuses to FE, then vendors will be forced to use escrow. you are paying the fees for escrow, why not utilize the protection
since tony i refuse to FE for anyone requiring it and i have yet to lose any money again.
if they claim they need you to release escrow to restock, then you can tell em to fuck off cause they are lying. SR offers an advance where they can access a large portion of their funds in escrow for a reasonable fee... to prevent all their money being tied up and prevent them needing everyone to FE
as a vendor, if a buyer threatens to leave you bad feedback as was mentioned, tell them to leave it. then report them to SR and they will delete the feedback and the buyer acct - just show them the messages... also if you are providing reliable service and quality product your feedback score will handle the occasional poor review, which every vendor gets occasionally
- a vendor requiring FE will not prevent that from occurring anyway if you were suggesting a reason to require FE
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As a vendor i have had already two people this week tell me give me coin or i will fuck your feedback up there is alot of scams tryna go down lately
I would hate to see some dumb ignorant people ruin this site for the rest of us.
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Well i dont require F.E even after people have tried pulling these scams i simply tell them i wouldnt do that you forget i have your address and they never pull through with what they say they are going to do but its annoying to see buyers try and pull shit like that.
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I couldn't agree more with what others have said if you have good buying stats and have been on the road for 6mnths to a year or more you should never FE. There are vendors of almost all products that don't require it we should give them our business when i was new I FE'd twice and both times was a mess luckily one vendor finally delivered after a freakin month and the other one just ran off with my $...lesson learned i'll never FE
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Escrow + DCN = Profit!
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So i went to order from a vendor whom I was his first customer, he's never required me to FE in the past (its been a couple months since i ordered from him) and his page says everyone OUTSIDE the US and EU DON"T have to FE, and Im in the US!!!! I get a message from him today saying I need to FE for it to ship.
I've ordered from with no trouble in the past, but the was the past and my money was in escrow.
If vendors quit being so sketchy they would get so much business. I know customers have been sketchy lately apparently, but if vendors spend the extra $ for tracking, then that eliminate scammers on our end. I would hope a dealer on the road would profit enough to afford tracking, especially when tracking would reduce loss for them....
Am I just being crazy? Or is shit actually going downhill?
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So i went to order from a vendor whom I was his first customer, he's never required me to FE in the past (its been a couple months since i ordered from him) and his page says everyone OUTSIDE the US and EU DON"T have to FE, and Im in the US!!!! I get a message from him today saying I need to FE for it to ship.
I've ordered from with no trouble in the past, but the was the past and my money was in escrow.
If vendors quit being so sketchy they would get so much business. I know customers have been sketchy lately apparently, but if vendors spend the extra $ for tracking, then that eliminate scammers on our end. I would hope a dealer on the road would profit enough to afford tracking, especially when tracking would reduce loss for them....
Am I just being crazy? Or is shit actually going downhill?
Firstly, never ever FE for anyone, EVER. Beginners should look through the forum for tips on starting to acquire feedback and read the Buyer's Guide. Secondly, Mr Charlie, your definitely not crazy! SR has gone a little down hill from when I started. So many "fly by night" vendors coming and going now with the number of long term vendor's shrinking. Just one thing though Mr Charlie, buyers pay for postage, whether it be standard mail or the more expensive Express (Tracked) postage. Vendor's wouldn't have to spend a cent as it's the buyer who would foot the bill for a vendor only wanting to use "Tracked Postage". :)
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So i went to order from a vendor whom I was his first customer, he's never required me to FE in the past (its been a couple months since i ordered from him) and his page says everyone OUTSIDE the US and EU DON"T have to FE, and Im in the US!!!! I get a message from him today saying I need to FE for it to ship.
I've ordered from with no trouble in the past, but the was the past and my money was in escrow.
If vendors quit being so sketchy they would get so much business. I know customers have been sketchy lately apparently, but if vendors spend the extra $ for tracking, then that eliminate scammers on our end. I would hope a dealer on the road would profit enough to afford tracking, especially when tracking would reduce loss for them....
Am I just being crazy? Or is shit actually going downhill?
Firstly, never ever FE for anyone, EVER. Beginners should look through the forum for tips on starting to acquire feedback and read the Buyer's Guide. Secondly, Mr Charlie, your definitely not crazy! SR has gone a little down hill from when I started. So many "fly by night" vendors coming and going now with the number of long term vendor's shrinking. Just one thing though Mr Charlie, buyers pay for postage, whether it be standard mail or the more expensive Express (Tracked) postage. Vendor's wouldn't have to spend a cent as it's the buyer who would foot the bill for a vendor only wanting to use "Tracked Postage". :)
Thank you. I was looking for some reassurance. My first transaction here i Finalized Early cus i had no stats, and sure enough it was a scam. That's why i told this vendor, even though we've had good business in the past, I still will not FE. Even if i did fully trust him, which i could never fully trust an anonymous drug dealer that lives over seas no matter how much business we did, there could be a shipping issue, in which a refund would still be discussed. If i FE he could just say 'too bad' and walk away with my btc.
Well if we're paying for shipping, idk why all vendors have an option for tracked shipping.. I like Supertrip's policy, he requires FE, but does tracked shipping for free, and 100% refund if tracking says your package didnt make it. This allows everything to be on the up and up, and everyone is happy. Although I must say his shipping times are a bit long for my taste, but that's just a personal preferance.
We all need to boycott these vendors with bad FE and refund policies!!!!!
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When I first start to buy here on SR, all the vendors told me that I need to FE. And I did. But when I reach more transactions then they didnt ask me to FE.
But now even if I have 40+ transaction's and 0 refund, I was asked to FE 3 or 4 times, because im from EU and the vendors was from USA and one from Canada.
But I FE. Even if I promised 3 mounts ago that I will never FE for nobody, because I was scammed by Noriega team.
But the game is the game. Is my choice if I will FE or not.
If I see that the vendor is liable and have a good rating and is a long time member of SR, I take a risk. If I see that they are not so liable, and with bad ratings, I find someone vendor who dont ask me to FE, even if the price of the item is more expensive.
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So i went to order from a vendor whom I was his first customer, he's never required me to FE in the past (its been a couple months since i ordered from him) and his page says everyone OUTSIDE the US and EU DON"T have to FE, and Im in the US!!!! I get a message from him today saying I need to FE for it to ship.
I've ordered from with no trouble in the past, but the was the past and my money was in escrow.
If vendors quit being so sketchy they would get so much business. I know customers have been sketchy lately apparently, but if vendors spend the extra $ for tracking, then that eliminate scammers on our end. I would hope a dealer on the road would profit enough to afford tracking, especially when tracking would reduce loss for them....
Am I just being crazy? Or is shit actually going downhill?
Firstly, never ever FE for anyone, EVER. Beginners should look through the forum for tips on starting to acquire feedback and read the Buyer's Guide. Secondly, Mr Charlie, your definitely not crazy! SR has gone a little down hill from when I started. So many "fly by night" vendors coming and going now with the number of long term vendor's shrinking. Just one thing though Mr Charlie, buyers pay for postage, whether it be standard mail or the more expensive Express (Tracked) postage. Vendor's wouldn't have to spend a cent as it's the buyer who would foot the bill for a vendor only wanting to use "Tracked Postage". :)
Thank you. I was looking for some reassurance. My first transaction here i Finalized Early cus i had no stats, and sure enough it was a scam. That's why i told this vendor, even though we've had good business in the past, I still will not FE. Even if i did fully trust him, which i could never fully trust an anonymous drug dealer that lives over seas no matter how much business we did, there could be a shipping issue, in which a refund would still be discussed. If i FE he could just say 'too bad' and walk away with my btc.
Well if we're paying for shipping, idk why all vendors have an option for tracked shipping.. I like Supertrip's policy, he requires FE, but does tracked shipping for free, and 100% refund if tracking says your package didnt make it. This allows everything to be on the up and up, and everyone is happy. Although I must say his shipping times are a bit long for my taste, but that's just a personal preferance.
We all need to boycott these vendors with bad FE and refund policies!!!!!
Tracked shipping is not keeping the vendors anonymous. There are no other ways to stop the scamming unless you know who you are dealing with instead of going willy nilly making multiple orders like its Ebay. Research the vendor. Make a decision and follow policy. If you are not happy with the policy then shop elsewhere. When you order items online on the clearnet your card is debited before your goods are sent. If your card is declined you will not be sent the goods. There's no simpler way this can be explained. The vendors who scam more than likely have money problems or very bad habits. So make sure that when you read the vendors feedback, every single customer is happy and not one complaint. This will show who is and who is not passionate about their job. Whether they care for money or for running a high quality successful business. If you are not sure about ordering from the vendor then don't order anyway, follow your guy feeling, that feeling usually turns out to help anyway. Anything that proves the package has been sent usually means there is a paper trail from the origin of the package. Please think properly. You are receiving drugs in the mail. Not something you have bought on the clear net. This is your safety and the vendors safety. Tracked packages means YOU are admitting that the package YOU sign for is YOURS. If it gets caught there is no excuse to say that its not yours. You have signed for it, its in your possession. So.. Find the trusted vendors you want to deal with and report the vendors that you find suspicious and if you do order from them make sure its the cheapest price listing they have on their profile. If the stuff comes the vendor is good to go. If not then there is some evidence that the supposed vendor is a scammer. Meaning not everyone loses loads of money and not loads of people rage about being scammed. I think this post should pretty much end the thread.
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There's a thread on here that recommends new buyers get 5 transactions under their belt by throwing money at eBooks. I totally disagree with that. I'm new, didn't do anything like that, and I've had really positive experiences with the right vendors. Lots of vendors are new too. Buy some cheap samples, post a review and everyone wins.
Scammers usually don't have much patience when it comes to communication. I think that reading and participating in this forum carries a lot of weight.
I'm having a hard time because there are multiple vendors which are all so good that I can't decide which one to pick.
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What a good question.
Most of you are wrong in your assumptions.
After getting shit from both vendors, and buyers, I decided to ask my trusted vendor friends this question.
Somebody is scamming on both sides.
I have buyers that are telling the absolute bullshit some vendors are doing.
I have vendor who say trusted buyers are reverse scamming, badly.
Personally I think it's the same fucking assholes on both ends.
They are making this place a shit hole.
DPR, and SR Support we need some rule changes. No, I don't have the answer, but I know whats going on.
The good vendors should go into stealth mode, and stick to good buyers.
At this point in time the newbie hasn't a chance.
The guy bitching he doesn't get 9 out 10 might be right, if you make the wrong moves.
I want to thank the buyers, and vendors who were honest with me, now I'm honest with you :-*
I don't think I need to tell you about FE, it's in my sig ;)
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Most of vendors are user, first they only want get in their stuff, so fe, so mostly nice stuff like awaited not the baddest cause of knowledgement !
Then they recognize that they can earn their own and some money, so fe is needed to buy higher amounts and they test the corners of cutting - Could have luck or you get very bad!
The interesting Phase is when they have a big reputation, most of buyers then fe, dont understand why, maybe they havent had so much bad events like me!
Especially if u order expensive stuff like meth & Coke, ordering is very disillusioning! Ordering Coke is not so easy beside u want to spent 120€ or 160$, Meth u need 150€ sometimes!
100km in czech u get for 30-50€, same was back in 90ies with coke, Get outstanding scale for 30-40€ even if we only bought 10 or 20g. Cut 1g coke with 3g and it was still best stuff in town that we sold for 80-100€,
so only amateur and bad vendors requiring fe. People who know their shit would not need to scam u cause isnt necessary, but slowly iam thinking most buyers here are idiots, just look the five most sold!
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For sure there are also scammer on buyers side but u couldnt concealment that mostly a little loss is in the price! Nobody should forget that 99% of SR are very expensive!
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Everybody got his reason i think to FE or not..
If you dont like a vendor because of his policy just look for a other one.
Some vendors dont use FE especially new ones try samples from them
and if you like it stick with him.
Also some vendors accept escrow but dont give a full refund or reship.
Just keep searching ultimately you gonna find a vendor that fits you.
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Yeah, thats right but often when vendors are praised from everybody they seems to get the scamfeeling ;-)
Examples: Pfandleiher, Toni and so on
When u get to high its easy to made a Fraud, and came back with another nick a month later, idiots will always have this seduction cause of the short money!
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Most of vendors are user, first they only want get in their stuff, so fe, so mostly nice stuff like awaited not the baddest cause of knowledgement !
Then they recognize that they can earn their own and some money, so fe is needed to buy higher amounts and they test the corners of cutting - Could have luck or you get very bad!
The interesting Phase is when they have a big reputation, most of buyers then fe, dont understand why, maybe they havent had so much bad events like me!
Especially if u order expensive stuff like meth & Coke, ordering is very disillusioning! Ordering Coke is not so easy beside u want to spent 120€ or 160$, Meth u need 150€ sometimes!
100km in czech u get for 30-50€, same was back in 90ies with coke, Get outstanding scale for 30-40€ even if we only bought 10 or 20g. Cut 1g coke with 3g and it was still best stuff in town that we sold for 80-100€,
so only amateur and bad vendors requiring fe. People who know their shit would not need to scam u cause isnt necessary, but slowly iam thinking most buyers here are idiots, just look the five most sold!
''so only amateur and bad vendors requiring fe''
I think the bad vendors are addicts and have money issues, or as you said they cut their coke and stuff. I require FE, I'm not an addict and everything gets sent out. Take a look at my profile page and my feedback. I truly care about people and my reputation. If shit happens we can sort it out between ourselves. We are men and we can do something about it. FE is not bad, you only see it from the buyers point of view. You need to put yourself in the vendors shoes. Ivory does FE for international orders and look how successful he is. Its the people that make excuses and scam people because they can, they can pull it off and remain ok. It looks like you have had bad choices with vendors. Amateurs lack customer satisfaction and high quality service. Bad vendors scam and have bad communications. If you can maintain a near perfect business then i don't see why FE should get in the way.
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Most of vendors are user, first they only want get in their stuff, so fe, so mostly nice stuff like awaited not the baddest cause of knowledgement !
Then they recognize that they can earn their own and some money, so fe is needed to buy higher amounts and they test the corners of cutting - Could have luck or you get very bad!
The interesting Phase is when they have a big reputation, most of buyers then fe, dont understand why, maybe they havent had so much bad events like me!
Especially if u order expensive stuff like meth & Coke, ordering is very disillusioning! Ordering Coke is not so easy beside u want to spent 120€ or 160$, Meth u need 150€ sometimes!
100km in czech u get for 30-50€, same was back in 90ies with coke, Get outstanding scale for 30-40€ even if we only bought 10 or 20g. Cut 1g coke with 3g and it was still best stuff in town that we sold for 80-100€,
so only amateur and bad vendors requiring fe. People who know their shit would not need to scam u cause isnt necessary, but slowly iam thinking most buyers here are idiots, just look the five most sold!
''so only amateur and bad vendors requiring fe''
I think the bad vendors are addicts and have money issues, or as you said they cut their coke and stuff. I require FE, I'm not an addict and everything gets sent out. Take a look at my profile page and my feedback. I truly care about people and my reputation. If shit happens we can sort it out between ourselves. We are men and we can do something about it. FE is not bad, you only see it from the buyers point of view. You need to put yourself in the vendors shoes. Ivory does FE for international orders and look how successful he is. Its the people that make excuses and scam people because they can, they can pull it off and remain ok. It looks like you have had bad choices with vendors. Amateurs lack customer satisfaction and high quality service. Bad vendors scam and have bad communications. If you can maintain a near perfect business then i don't see why FE should get in the way.
Not doubting you in anyway, but I refuse to FE for anyone, unless they have a policy like Supertrips, where he requires FE when he sends a tracking #, and he does 100% refund if he sees tracking says it never showed up, and the tracking is free.
Even then, in the back of my head I wonder if he would ever send an empty package to the wrong place purposefully, so tracking says its arrived but i get nothing.
I also wouldn't finalize early for a vendor I've bought from 20+ times. What's stopping them from saying, oh I've built his trust, I've made plenty money off him, ill just take this btc and not send anything.
However unlikely, there's a little saying around here 'Don't spend what you can't afford to lose' and I usually don't, but I've been scammed too many times as it is, and I'm not taking ANY risks anymore.
I mean we're buying drugs anonymously from people over seas, and that's why this system is in place, to make something sketchy, as un-sketchy as possible, and I love that.
I'm sure there are many good vendors out there that require FE, but I'll never know, I just can't afford to add extra risk of loss like that..