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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: Catgoesmeow on December 17, 2012, 03:55 pm

Title: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: Catgoesmeow on December 17, 2012, 03:55 pm
Which source of water is best to use for IV method

Water from the Refrigerator or Tap water?
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: HOUSE on December 17, 2012, 04:17 pm
What do you mean by "refrigerator water"? Like tap water that has been left in the refrigerator?

If it is, then I doubt there's any difference between the two.

Your best bet is recently boiled water. Or at least boil some tap water in the spoon. Obviously, if you can get bacteriostatic water, then use that.
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: Ballzinator on December 17, 2012, 05:39 pm
Neither. Use distilled water only especially if your government puts fluoride or similar bullshit in your tap water.
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: BlueGiraffe on December 18, 2012, 06:10 pm
Neither. Use distilled water only especially if your government puts fluoride or similar bullshit in your tap water.

Agreed. Or filter yourself through a RO system.

BG
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: Pillows on December 18, 2012, 08:18 pm
I mean does it really matter honestly? How much risk does using non sterile water add? I'm curious because i've IVed things hundreds of times just using tap water and never had any problems..
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: Ballzinator on December 18, 2012, 10:57 pm
I mean does it really matter honestly? How much risk does using non sterile water add? I'm curious because i've IVed things hundreds of times just using tap water and never had any problems..
The sterility of tap water isn't the problem in most countries. It's the additives. I've been in Australia and the tap water there smells of chlorine. You don't want chlorine in your bloodstream. The majority of American (USA) municipal water sources are contaminated with fluoride. You don't want fluoride in your bloodstream.
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: Catgoesmeow on December 19, 2012, 12:14 am
Thank you for your input.
I'll definitely boil some or use distilled water next time.
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: A Riotous Defect on December 19, 2012, 12:24 am
You might have a well, though, which would eliminate any chance of flouride or chlorine or anything. I have a well so it's not outside the realm of possibility.
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: Catgoesmeow on January 01, 2013, 08:36 pm
You might have a well, though, which would eliminate any chance of flouride or chlorine or anything. I have a well so it's not outside the realm of possibility.

I believe it's city water. I'll note this just in case I decide to IV at a friends.
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: Jopular on January 01, 2013, 09:57 pm
OMG needles,   no!

OMG I am too scared of shooting up.

OMG I know that people would think I was some kind of junkie if I was to casually shoot-up-the-mainline-IV as if I were simply having a cup of coffee or sum thing.
I guess it is just a case of cultural taboos and pre/miss-conceptions.

But if I had too I guess I would go with a boiled kettle that had been allowed to cool to around 36 degrees celcius. For sterility purposes.

Or maybe distilled water might, as suggested, be better. Would it be better to boil it first just to be on the safe side?

Or just ditch the needles man and whack it up ya hooter like innit!

I don't know, I am afraid of needles but will let a trained professional inject stuff into me if necessary for medical reasons.
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: Catgoesmeow on January 02, 2013, 01:33 am
Yeah. I'm in a new location, so my IV use has gone down tremendously. I thank Buddha for that. Also with SR I figure the drugs are cleaner (as in literally cleaner) than I would find on the street.
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: Ben on January 02, 2013, 02:16 am
It depends on what you want really. In many western countries tap water is quite sterile as it is, though in some substances are added.

For IV use you may want to prefer physiological salt over plain water though. This can be prepared by adding 9 grams per litre to pure water (tap, or distilled if your tap water is bad) and boiling it for 10 minutes or so.

Using only water in an IV is not without dangers: the sudden drop in osmotic pressure can cause a number of red cells to lyse, possibly leading to clotthing factors being released in response. If you are unlucky those cloths could end up in bad places. Crazy as it sounds, shooting up 10 ml of perfectly sterile, ultrapure, water can actually be deadly.
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: joywind on January 02, 2013, 03:45 am
the water that comes out of your wife's pussy
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: Jopular on January 02, 2013, 01:59 pm
It depends on what you want really. In many western countries tap water is quite sterile as it is, though in some substances are added.

For IV use you may want to prefer physiological salt over plain water though. This can be prepared by adding 9 grams per litre to pure water (tap, or distilled if your tap water is bad) and boiling it for 10 minutes or so.

Using only water in an IV is not without dangers: the sudden drop in osmotic pressure can cause a number of red cells to lyse, possibly leading to clotthing factors being released in response. If you are unlucky those cloths could end up in bad places. Crazy as it sounds, shooting up 10 ml of perfectly sterile, ultrapure, water can actually be deadly.

This  sounds like some good advice that might get often overlooked, makes perfect sense.
I seem to remember in biology class where red blood cells are placed in pure water and burst.

So when someone is on a drip, this would be osmotically balanced also I assume.
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: Catgoesmeow on January 02, 2013, 03:04 pm
the water that comes out of your wife's pussy

I'm single  :-\
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: Ben on January 03, 2013, 02:09 am
It depends on what you want really. In many western countries tap water is quite sterile as it is, though in some substances are added.

For IV use you may want to prefer physiological salt over plain water though. This can be prepared by adding 9 grams per litre to pure water (tap, or distilled if your tap water is bad) and boiling it for 10 minutes or so.

Using only water in an IV is not without dangers: the sudden drop in osmotic pressure can cause a number of red cells to lyse, possibly leading to clotthing factors being released in response. If you are unlucky those cloths could end up in bad places. Crazy as it sounds, shooting up 10 ml of perfectly sterile, ultrapure, water can actually be deadly.

This  sounds like some good advice that might get often overlooked, makes perfect sense.
I seem to remember in biology class where red blood cells are placed in pure water and burst.

So when someone is on a drip, this would be osmotically balanced also I assume.

Absolutely. IV bags contain an isotonic solution of salt in water, often augmented with some extra ingredients such as potassium salts to be compatible with your blood. Emptying a half liter bag of pure water through and IV would most probably be fatal.

With IV drug use. using a syringe. the injected volume is  much smaller, and it will usually mix with the blood plasma before anything dramatic happens. Injecting something like 1 ml of water, or even 10 ml when done slowly, will not trigger an immediate red cell bursting clotting response as long as it is into a vein that has proper circulation.

I'd rather err on the side of caution with that though, and suggest using 0,9% saline as the solvent. It only takes one single mistake to kill you while the solution to avoiding that is readily available. 
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: yellowmattercustard on January 04, 2013, 10:17 am
In Russia you can always buy a special water for injections, the sell it packed in ampules, in any drug store. I don't see a reason why would they not sell it anywhere in the world. Ever tried asking this in drugstores?
Title: Re: Refrigerator or Tap Water
Post by: Ben on January 06, 2013, 03:11 am
Its not very common in the western world to sell it in ampoules. Most injectable medications come in their own buffer solution and are ready to inject as-is.

IV fluid usually comes in bags designed to be hooked to an IV line, but the composition is probably the same as that of the ampoules, it just comes in a larger volume. In medical terms these are often referred to as 'saline bags', and they are pretty cheap.