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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: T76WasPinched on May 01, 2012, 04:15 pm
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While I can't provide any specific proof. Those of you with T-Market accounts, check out your remaining balances. I have 14 BTC in there that I was going to add to to buy another 5g of his molly. I realize that's only like $60, but it's been there since 04/18. Why leave any balance there at all? Do any of the rest of you have BTC still in his market just sitting there?
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yes, only a few though,
like $25 on tmart there chillin.
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What the fuck is Tmart? Keep hearing this term being thrown around.
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That does seem strange that if people still have coins in their T-Mart accounts, that Tony wouldn't have just shut the site down, and cleaned out everyone's accounts, and kept the coins if he was going to scam. Something to ponder.
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What the fuck is Tmart? Keep hearing this term being thrown around.
Apparently it was(is) some site outside of SR that Tony himself setup for buyers to where he could sell his shit outside of SR and make money- T-Market (Tony Market) I'm guessing seems to have sucked quite a few people in, since Tony was the number 1 seller around here I'm guessing he probably sent that invite to a shitload of people. There was no escrow from what I've read so everything looked to be an FE.
Looks like he fucked over a shitload of people and stole their coin. Dude was smart enough to realize the money he was making here on the regular, paying a shitload of commissions out and looks to have took advantage of BOTH the 420 sale and the TM site.
The fact that he was even running a site independent of SR and moving buyers from here to there due to "trust" pretty much is the flashing red light that this was a scam.
Horrible.
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What the fuck is Tmart? Keep hearing this term being thrown around.
there was a thread 'round here i started, but it appears to have been deleted, unless i just missed it. censored? why?
and to those of you w/coin in tmart: what happens if you try to get it back out? can you?
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Yeah, I want to believe he is only held up and not in the wind. I have a much smaller balance in there, but it also hasnt been touched. I guess only Tony will know who this is cause of what I have in there.
proof (caution - clearnet host):
https://imgur.com/oQ9WG
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While I can't provide any specific proof. Those of you with T-Market accounts, check out your remaining balances. I have 14 BTC in there that I was going to add to to buy another 5g of his molly. I realize that's only like $60, but it's been there since 04/18. Why leave any balance there at all? Do any of the rest of you have BTC still in his market just sitting there?
Or why did he go stealth instead of leaving his listings up, letting people continue to finalize early and he would continue making thousands of dollars? If it was a massive scam, he seems like he shorted himself out of a lot of money.
And why did he bother to go through the trouble of building and setting up T-Mart, only to disappear two weeks later? He didn't need it..Everyone was already going outside escrow by finalizing early.
I don't know, it just doesn't add up to me. It may be part of an "elaborate scam," but I *highly* doubt he would prevent himself from making more money and putting in extra work for LESS payoff. I think the conspiracy theorists on this forum have spread fear-mongering and everyone jumped on board.
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Fuck me this guy wasn't going to amateur night was he. Just out of interest what was the reason he gave to you all (you all meaning those he got to FE) that made you FE? Must have been a fucking convincing one by all accounts. I'm a seller and when I buy I NEVER FE and I'd cancel on anyone that asked. Fuck them, if they don't want to keep me safe then why should I go there? It is different because I spent to get on this site and no-to-lows are risky but those who have been here and proved they aren't out to scam sellers why do they need to FE?
Not to sound like a pious slag here but the only time I would require an FE is if your transaction history is no-to-low (0-5 transactions) or if I had to buy whatever it was for you in advance or from someone who could ship it (drop shipping). Why do you need to be out of the system that keeps you secure apart from those? It's bizarre to me.
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What the fuck is Tmart? Keep hearing this term being thrown around.
there was a thread 'round here i started, but it appears to have been deleted, unless i just missed it. censored? why?
and to those of you w/coin in tmart: what happens if you try to get it back out? can you?
No, btc's stuck in there. I noticed that on day one, as soon as I put btc in, that if I wanted them back, I couldn't get them. But everybody said how wonderful tony was, so I figured 'what the fuck' and ordered a couple of g's of pebble...when mine says *sent* on 4/17. On his 'special' site, when orders went out, he'd put 'sent' and they were in the mail...ha ha ha....
Naturally, the same people who glorified Tony before, are now going to say he must have been pinched, LE did this, maybe he had a mental breakdown....anything but the obvious...
My favorite: Our complaints drove the poor guy away. See, along with all his other wonderful qualities, Tony was 'sensitive,' and so nobody could say anything bad about him....
Get a grip, people: he's driinking rum and cokes on the caribbean, reading this shit, and thinking "wow, those idiots, I could go back for more!"
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I still think he ran off with it.
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That doesn't mean he was pinched. System shows you have that much in there but his real bitcoin account has the balance. Try to withdraw it and see what happens. Better yet post all the bitcoin addresses he used and see where the money was transferred and how recently.
His store is just a simple cms that displays you have unspent coins because he ran off with the real ones. All transfers are done manually by him it's not like instawallet or here
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Get a grip, people: he's driinking rum and cokes on the caribbean, reading this shit, and thinking "wow, those idiots, I could go back for more!"
Yeah exactly. And any of the BTC left in his T-Mart-whatever-it's-called-bullshit is just money for his milk/paper when he gets back.
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What the fuck is Tmart? Keep hearing this term being thrown around.
there was a thread 'round here i started, but it appears to have been deleted, unless i just missed it. censored? why?
and to those of you w/coin in tmart: what happens if you try to get it back out? can you?
No, btc's stuck in there. I noticed that on day one, as soon as I put btc in, that if I wanted them back, I couldn't get them. But everybody said how wonderful tony was, so I figured 'what the fuck' and ordered a couple of g's of pebble...when mine says *sent* on 4/17. On his 'special' site, when orders went out, he'd put 'sent' and they were in the mail...ha ha ha....
Naturally, the same people who glorified Tony before, are now going to say he must have been pinched, LE did this, maybe he had a mental breakdown....anything but the obvious...
My favorite: Our complaints drove the poor guy away. See, along with all his other wonderful qualities, Tony was 'sensitive,' and so nobody could say anything bad about him....
Get a grip, people: he's driinking rum and cokes on the caribbean, reading this shit, and thinking "wow, those idiots, I could go back for more!"
that's what i thought. the ordering process was a sham. once yer coin made it to the site, it became big T's.
he WASN'T FUCKING PINCHED, HE ISN'T FUCKING DEAD, AND HE ISN"T IN THE HOSTPITAL. HE IS STILL HERE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT ALL AGAIN.
goddamnit everyone, wake the hell up and stop believing in pipe dreams. PEOPLE DO NOT WALK AWAY FROM MONEY. he was successful once, he'll try it again. the odd exceptions here and there mean nothing- they were part of the ruse.
the few people who didn't FE, got their shit, didn't they? wonder fucking why.
i will call his ass out on it when i see it happening again. i didn't like his whiny, drama-queen persona the first time around.
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Just because you have BTC credit doesn't mean there's actually any money.
You transferred the coins to an address which means the money is now his. The amount you see there? Just a number telling tony you have credit. Its not actually coins, lol.
This thread is pointless.
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It seems reasonably possible to me that this is all the result of a disagreement between Tony & SR over T-Mart.
Tony presumably wanted to keep T-Mart a secret to avoid pissing off SR. He was basically stealing customers from them. The SR business model is this: They put customers & vendors in contact with each other in exchange for some transaction fees. Tony was going to take that service without paying for it, by avoiding the transaction fees.
This would explain why tony blanked his SR page (or perhaps was forced to blank it due to arguments with SR).
As to why he has not responded to anyone anywhere or defended himself, that is a mystery in this scenario. But I can perfectly imagine him getting pissed as a result of an argument with SR, and taking his ball (and all your money) and going home.
(And please, this is just speculation. I don't know the actual opinions SR people have on T-Mart)
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You say you have funding in your account. Yet when you withdraw, will it work?
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I have waited to say anything for various reasons but I feel like maybe my account of this ordeal can help some of you make up your minds one way or another. I transferred money into T-Mart. I had purchased some AMAZING paper from Tony right before people stopped getting their orders. Once I received it everyone hounded me to get as much more as I could. That was almost the exact time I got my T-Mart invite. Now, I have loyalty to SR hardcore, but the prices of L(especially bulk L) are a bit fucking absurd right now. The only money I transferred to T-Mart was for the purchase of the paper I was interested in. Yes, it was cheaper, not THAT much cheaper.. but when you are wanting 10 sheets a little bit of a discount adds up quick. It seemed like a no-brainer to me since if I were to order it from Tony through SR I would still have to FE and nobody would be able to help if something happened. I know the gamble I take every time I send anyone money, I thought I had made a good judgment call going with the top-rated seller of the site. Anyways, I am sure you can ballpark what 10 sheets probably put me back. If you can't, then lets just say it was close to 5k. The only silver lining in all this for me is that at the time I transferred the BTC to my T-Mart "account" (and yes it still says all my funds sit in my account) the BTC was at its all-time high for the month.. so instead of losing over 1000BTC it was more like 930BTC. Think what you want, but honestly, if I couldn't afford to lose that type of scratch then I wouldn't have done what I did. I know how this game works.
I don't think Tony is coming back. I have my reasons, none of which probably haven't already been said 50 times by now. If my paper shows up, great. If not, I am not losing any sleep over it. There are worse things that can happen than losing money. Think about what you would pay to get yourself out of trouble should the day come that you ever get pinched..
I am not trying to act like this doesn't suck but,
a wiser fellow than myself once said,
"sometimes you eat the bar ... ... sometimes the bar, well.. EATS you."
-TheDude
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Funny how it is after one gets Scammed. We seek out answers and the snuggle into excuses.
It's Sr's fault! They allowed FE.
It's the Cops fault...he was busted.
When in Doubt..dont FE.
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For anyone to think that tony76 was just one person is preposterous.
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^ agreed
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I say we try to put tony in the past, the dude ran off with a shit ton of money and we all can speculate all day about what happened, but best thing would be to just forget about the duesh and figure out how we can set the precedent that its good and worth it to not cheat and steal from people
we need good vendors to set some example and if they are here we need the customers to stand up and let these vendors be known! shit to many vendors scamming is the word on the street and I feel it can only make other vendors think damn what am i doing selling legit why not just steal, when in reality we need to change that mentality
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just a random idea that hit me, maybe like insurance SR should reward vendors for being prestigious or like an vendor of the month type deal, anything to make it benefit vendors, I know a market isnt a market with both seller and buyer but if all vendors are bound to steal, then all buyers are going to never buy. Vicious cycle that needs fixing
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For anyone to think that tony76 was just one person is preposterous.
Plenty around here seem convinced DPR is one person. ::) Me, I think he might be a corporation.
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I say we try to put tony in the past, the dude ran off with a shit ton of money and we all can speculate all day about what happened, but best thing would be to just forget about the duesh and figure out how we can set the precedent that its good and worth it to not cheat and steal from people
we need good vendors to set some example and if they are here we need the customers to stand up and let these vendors be known! shit to many vendors scamming is the word on the street and I feel it can only make other vendors think damn what am i doing selling legit why not just steal, when in reality we need to change that mentality
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just a random idea that hit me, maybe like insurance SR should reward vendors for being prestigious or like an vendor of the month type deal, anything to make it benefit vendors, I know a market isnt a market with both seller and buyer but if all vendors are bound to steal, then all buyers are going to never buy. Vicious cycle that needs fixing
its been only days since hearing from him and plenty of people (including me) made orders that we are hoping on, why the fuck would we "put it in the past" as if it was a long time ago?
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I dont want to be the bearer of bad news but your order is not arriving, and tony, Is not coming back.
time and time again it has happened on SR, whether you are a new user or veteran on a throwaway, if you have been here since around the beginning tony was not the first vendor to pull this type of deal
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For anyone to think that tony76 was just one person is preposterous.
Canadian bikie gang for sure.
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yeah i can't believe some of you still think your getting your orders