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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: mrmoonman on July 12, 2013, 10:36 pm

Title: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: mrmoonman on July 12, 2013, 10:36 pm
So much paranoia here on the road that, me being a newbie is starting to freak me out as well haha. Having to get bitcoins (which is hard enough) /wash them and use pgp/gpg correctly. Personally I feel as a noob, that theres so much to do it is intimidating, to say the least. I also feel I should make sure the vendor is using hedge so I dont get screwed if BC bombs like it did a while back!

Hm, thoughts and opinions please.
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: MissionKSPD on July 12, 2013, 10:42 pm
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Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: MrDanielson on July 12, 2013, 10:50 pm
I'm in the same boat brotha!
1. How do we know we aren't buying from LE
2. It is pretty difficult to buy BTC (I'm now buying mine from coinbase).
3. I have no idea how to wash the BTC (although I hear TSR does this for you?)
Number 1 scares me the most :P.
I'm also not sure if using the current address I am at is okay or not. (if I use PGP or whatever it's called)...

Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: Isleepy1 on July 12, 2013, 10:53 pm
All true but you're only a newb once right? Just read read read and don't panic;  Sounds like you're on the right track tho..   I feel your pain though, I'm still learning too.

Best way to know you're not buying from Law Enforcement is buy from a reputable vendor imho.
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: slyguy498 on July 12, 2013, 11:02 pm
yea coming from a noob myself with only 4 transaction (almost $3000 though im pretty proud lol) the best advice i can say is do ur research. Make sure who ur buying from has good stats and great feedback, after all SR is primarily based on ur history lol.  and about the bitcoin thing have u tried mtgox? its easy as hell. u can change ur money to bitcoins straight on there and from there to blockchain wallet and from there to SR. simple and completely anonymous 8)
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: mrmoonman on July 13, 2013, 12:41 am
Ive heard of mtgox but didn't know I could buy them and xfer to blockchain. I will definently try that right now, do I need to make a blockchain wallet first?
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: Yousaf on July 13, 2013, 12:50 am
There is never enough paranoia, let the paranoia flood through you!
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: mrmoonman on July 13, 2013, 12:59 am
Lol I guess a little of it won't hurt. When I make a BoA or well's fargo buy for BTC, what info do I put in? like my name/address with the pgp. or my bank account info? Cuz thats risky. So but im such a noob. need a sure easy to comprehend up to date guide on best way to get btc, without a moneygram! and I need the posts so 2 birds with 1 stone I suppose!
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: Isleepy1 on July 13, 2013, 01:47 am
For me at least once I verified my info on MTgox (have to send them a utility bill and a copy of your ID)  *not stealth at all*  The only options I have for adding money to my account is by doing a Wire Transfer to Japan or Bitinstant.  The only stealth way I think their is to get bitcoins is to buy from a private party off localbitcoins or mine them yourself.  I just use coinbase personally.
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: Chewable on July 13, 2013, 02:15 am
whose paranoid ? did someone say something? about me? are you talking to me....shit why you reading this...fuck this, I'm out of here  :o
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: mrmoonman on July 13, 2013, 03:14 am
Well ive done a lot of research lately and I have everything down pat except for how to encrypt/decrypt messages and figuring out kleopatra. Woo my fellow noobs there is hope
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: Yousaf on July 13, 2013, 03:18 am
whose paranoid ? did someone say something? about me? are you talking to me....shit why you reading this...fuck this, I'm out of here  :o

Everyone is staring at you.
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: PowerToCharm on July 13, 2013, 03:23 am
You could call it paranoia, but why not instead call it caution and good common sense? This is a cool thing here, but it's probably good not to lose sight of the fact that drug trafficking is illegal. So, how do you know you're not buying from LE? Well, you don't, I suppose. But you don't know that either when you're buying IRL. But one thing you do know is that if the guy selling you dope is a cop, he can reach right out and slap some cuffs on your ass. Which can't happen on SR, as long as you employ caution and good common sense.
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: dolphin on July 13, 2013, 03:27 am
You could call it paranoia, but why not instead call it caution and good common sense? This is a cool thing here, but it's probably good not to lose sight of the fact that drug trafficking is illegal.

^^This. Most of the bad experiences I know of arise from sloppiness, lack of caution, and not properly evaluating risks.
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: Drugbro11 on July 13, 2013, 03:28 am
Do your research on your venders. Reading their reviews and checking the forums is the best way to determine if a vendor is legit or not. If your are nervous about your first order get some edibles or something inconspicuous. After that first order it is open season!  :D
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: Isleepy1 on July 13, 2013, 04:29 am
Well ive done a lot of research lately and I have everything down pat except for how to encrypt/decrypt messages and figuring out kleopatra. Woo my fellow noobs there is hope

That was difficult for me too,  This tutorial helped immensely.

http://p3lr4cdm3pv4plyj.onion/guides/shepj.html
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: why not on July 13, 2013, 07:11 am
Yeah, SR does have a steep learning curve, but that's a good thing. It helps to keep out really stupid people that would otherwise be a liability to the community as a whole.

There's a sticky at the top of the Newbie forum where everyone can go to practice their PGP skills with each other:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=107219.0

You can also pass your BTC through a fogging service like:
http://fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion/
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: meta on July 13, 2013, 07:28 am
Do your research on your venders. Reading their reviews and checking the forums is the best way to determine if a vendor is legit or not. If your are nervous about your first order get some edibles or something inconspicuous. After that first order it is open season!  :D

This is how I escaped my noobdom oh so many months ago. Trust your instincts; If it looks too good to be true (price/quantity/etc.), then it probably is!
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: yourdadsdad on July 13, 2013, 07:32 am
Nothing here is secure, gotta do your research on people IF you are going to trust them.

I have a very reputable vendor who sells me btc at 0% interest, i have put 1000's of dollars into this guy and he has always come through within the hour.
The world is full of scumbags be very careful
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: strangelights on July 13, 2013, 08:35 am
Well ive done a lot of research lately and I have everything down pat except for how to encrypt/decrypt messages and figuring out kleopatra. Woo my fellow noobs there is hope

I think this is the way to go.  Take your time researching each step and when you're ready to put them all together you'll be informed enough to be cautious without being irrationally paranoid.  It took me a few months to download and understand Tor, download GPG and learn how to encrypt messages, understand Bitcoins and how to get them, and generally understand what the risks are and how best to avoid them.  After finally placing my first order and having it go smoothly, I recently placed my second order and everything felt easy.  I probably could have dived in with less understanding, but I'm glad I didn't.  I'm still reading up on security and my next step is to start using Tails.  I've already successfully installed it on a USB drive, but I'm having trouble getting my computer to boot into it consistently.
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: mrmoonman on July 13, 2013, 11:13 pm
Yeah guys research research research and definently verify the Vendor through posts in the forums. Does anyone have any thoughts on Coinbase for there BTC? :)
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: curiousjorge on July 13, 2013, 11:30 pm
thx for all the good posts here, peeps. Lost of what sounds like solid wisdom; I for one will take lots of the advice.  Been doggedly learning about bitcoin, SR, encryption for going on two weeks.
That first purchase will be lovely, I hope. I'd be a scary fuck in a white dress but I just might don one for the occasion.
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: clinkon on July 14, 2013, 12:54 am
Everything that Slyguy498 said! Do your research. If you read these forums you will see who gets respect those are your best vendors.
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: 7Kz2 on July 14, 2013, 02:18 am
make a coin wallet on tor and use moneygram to buy btc.  pretty anonymous.
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: milkabuki on July 14, 2013, 03:11 am
Uh oh what is this washing of btc?

should i tumble my btc from my multibit wallet to my SR wallet...
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: tbart on July 14, 2013, 03:12 am
i'd never have imagined buying illegal drugs from an international drug dealer anonymously could be so fraught with vulnerabilities 8) ;D
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: ScoobyDoo on July 14, 2013, 03:37 am
I believe if you're ordering drugs off here, you have to have some sense of paranoia.
Otherwise you might just get cocky and karma will bite you in the arse.
Just remember.
There is always a risk.
Do your best to minimize it.
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: 9asay on July 14, 2013, 03:43 am
For me at least once I verified my info on MTgox (have to send them a utility bill and a copy of your ID)  *not stealth at all*  The only options I have for adding money to my account is by doing a Wire Transfer to Japan or Bitinstant.  The only stealth way I think their is to get bitcoins is to buy from a private party off localbitcoins or mine them yourself.  I just use coinbase personally.

bitinstant.com
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: hielonite on July 14, 2013, 08:29 pm
and about the bitcoin thing have u tried mtgox? its easy as hell. u can change ur money to bitcoins straight on there and from there to blockchain wallet and from there to SR. simple and completely anonymous 8)

^^Mtgox ain't even close to being anonymous bro... sorry to break it to ya!
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: mrmoonman on July 15, 2013, 11:13 pm
I guess what i'm going to do is use Coinbase, then tumble my coins in a blockchain wallet to my SR wallet. since bitcoins aren't illegal and I just don't straight buy my coins and send them to SR I should be good. Right? :)
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: plainsman1963 on July 16, 2013, 12:09 am
I tumble mine through a couple of wallets before sending to SR, but yeah that's where I ended up as well. I consistently buy bitcoins every month and figure I can show enough "legit" uses for the coin from my "legit" wallets that I can talk my way through where some of them are going (receipts from legal online vendors, sending to friend, etc. etc.).

Hopefully, I will never have to find out. Sure is a simple, quick  process if you go for the level two tier, though. I can have bitcoins in my account within a couple of hours, after washing them through a few wallets.
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: mrmoonman on July 16, 2013, 12:23 am
Right on I hear ya, don't you have to upload a picture of your DL? or is it just the last 4 digits of the SSN? I'm right now just trying to get to level 1. verified my phone and now waitn on the bank.
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: plainsman1963 on July 16, 2013, 12:52 am
No, nothing with a drivers license. Last four of social and then answer questions regarding past addresses/vehicles so they can verify you are who you say you are.
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: mrmoonman on July 16, 2013, 01:38 am
Oh yeah ok thats right right, well thats not too bad than. Prolly will end up doing that since they have the bank already. :S
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: kahn on July 16, 2013, 02:08 am
Coinbase is OK if you've got a week to wait for it.... :'(
 Bitinstant > cash to zipzap > BTC to wallet #1 > BTC to wallet#2 > BTC to #3, > etc, etc, etc  (whatever your level of paranoia is) > to SR wallet.
As far as "What did you use your BTC for?", smile (if you're in USA) and tell them "I evoke my right to the 5th amendment. So charge me or release me. Either way, I want my lawyer."  8)    8)    8)
Buying, owning, and/or using BTC is neither illegal or questionable. I'm buying them for investment,. "Sorry, your honor, I lost my wallet address or my pass-phrase."    ::)    ::)    ::)
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: curiousjorge on July 16, 2013, 02:20 am
just wondering from reading so much about bitcoins in various threads here whether perhaps the authorities figure that the place to do damage to on-line drug buying is at the point of bitcoin purchase. Sure it's perfectly legal to buy the coin but as I've very recently got into this I've found that it's next to impossible to buy find a source WITHOUT going to the big guys like Mt. Cocks and giving ALL your fucking personal information.
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: why not on July 16, 2013, 02:49 am
just wondering from reading so much about bitcoins in various threads here whether perhaps the authorities figure that the place to do damage to on-line drug buying is at the point of bitcoin purchase. Sure it's perfectly legal to buy the coin but as I've very recently got into this I've found that it's next to impossible to buy find a source WITHOUT going to the big guys like Mt. Cocks and giving ALL your fucking personal information.

That's exactly the case. They can't really stop us by any other method, so they brought the hammer down on the ways that we get money into and out of the system.
Title: Re: Theres so much paranoia
Post by: deadreagan on July 16, 2013, 02:55 am
You could call it paranoia, but why not instead call it caution and good common sense? This is a cool thing here, but it's probably good not to lose sight of the fact that drug trafficking is illegal. So, how do you know you're not buying from LE? Well, you don't, I suppose. But you don't know that either when you're buying IRL. But one thing you do know is that if the guy selling you dope is a cop, he can reach right out and slap some cuffs on your ass. Which can't happen on SR, as long as you employ caution and good common sense.
wise words