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Title: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: SRTRAVLER on April 23, 2012, 12:39 am
I have received dmt from demetri, dementia, and walter and from some other guy that i wont mention, and i get the dmt in a plastic baggie.  Well i dont smoke all my dmt right when I get it.  i put it in storage.

On every bag there is a gooey sticky substance forming on the outside of the baggie that has the dmt in it.  Over time this happens.  This shows me the DMT being sold on silk road is not safe.
Check out this thread on the shromery, They talk more about what I am talking about.

I am going to throw my dmt away now because i do not want to be smoking toxic chemicals, just thought id let you guys know.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15461016
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: modest mouse on April 23, 2012, 06:14 am
what evidence of toxicity do you have exactly??? none.  please have factual foundation for any fear mongering accusations

if you want to throw your money away, feel free, but i dont think its necessary of trashing all these vendors reputations.

that thread is nothing but speculation. i have noticed similar films on certain bags of my own extraction and do not fear residual solvent

if there was solvent leftover it would be degrading the bag... not simply seeping through, the logic others used was flawed.

if there was a freaking FLAMMABLE solvent left in your dmt, your bowl is basically going to burst into flames in your face, which it didnt.

all plastic is comprised of a woven mesh of atoms, in some way like a membrane that can be permeable to like substances but not permeable to many others. i believe the lipids are slowly integrating with and seeping through the plastic, rather than solvent dissolving the plastic (which would be visible and often very rapid). possibly my logic is flawed as well, but its another idea. smoking solvent would be noticeable with many negative effects

plus, if there was solvent present you would certainly notice, they trigger sensory receptor potentials at something crazy like 3 ppm, yet prolonged exposure to concentrations nearly 1000 times higher are toxic levels... basically you are going to know you are inhaling an organic solvent WAYYY before you ingest enough to actually hurt you.

if you are concerned there is leftover solvent then you should simply take an extra step to dry the dmt further or recrystallize once receiving or you could just do the actual tech yourself and then be able to be proud and positive your are not ingesting something like NaOH
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: ProfADaemon on April 23, 2012, 06:26 am

On every bag there is a gooey sticky substance forming on the outside of the baggie that has the dmt in it.  Over time this happens.  This shows me the DMT being sold on silk road is not safe.


No, that's a totally illogical conclusion to draw. This shows you that N,N-DMT oxidizes into a stickier, denser chemical slowly over time with exposure to heat, light, and oxygen.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: LainOfTheWired1984 on April 23, 2012, 06:35 am
Stick with a reputable vendor. I just smoked some 5meoDMT last night and it was not only fine, but awesome. I've also gotten 5meo from someone else, though neither are mentioned by you. Either way, my experience has been fine.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: SRTRAVLER on April 23, 2012, 05:45 pm
what evidence of toxicity do you have exactly??? none.  please have factual foundation for any fear mongering accusations

if you want to throw your money away, feel free, but i dont think its necessary of trashing all these vendors reputations.

that thread is nothing but speculation. i have noticed similar films on certain bags of my own extraction and do not fear residual solvent

if there was solvent leftover it would be degrading the bag... not simply seeping through, the logic others used was flawed.

if there was a freaking FLAMMABLE solvent left in your dmt, your bowl is basically going to burst into flames in your face, which it didnt.

all plastic is comprised of a woven mesh of atoms, in some way like a membrane that can be permeable to like substances but not permeable to many others. i believe the lipids are slowly integrating with and seeping through the plastic, rather than solvent dissolving the plastic (which would be visible and often very rapid). possibly my logic is flawed as well, but its another idea. smoking solvent would be noticeable with many negative effects

plus, if there was solvent present you would certainly notice, they trigger sensory receptor potentials at something crazy like 3 ppm, yet prolonged exposure to concentrations nearly 1000 times higher are toxic levels... basically you are going to know you are inhaling an organic solvent WAYYY before you ingest enough to actually hurt you.

if you are concerned there is leftover solvent then you should simply take an extra step to dry the dmt further or recrystallize once receiving or you could just do the actual tech yourself and then be able to be proud and positive your are not ingesting something like NaOH

lets be honest, you wont die if you smoke 3pm of solvent.  ok?

I beleive it is solvent because the white dmt was in a red baggie.  Now my white dmt has red /pink mixed it in.  This tells me that the red plastic is being mixed with the dmt. WHY ELSE WOULD THE DMT BE REDISH PINK?  This tells me UNSAFE.

I ended up dissolving the dmt in rubbing alcohol. (i know not the best thing to do)  I saw a type of solvent liquid floating on the top of the alchohol indicating a solvent of some sort.


How can we refuse that these products are unsafe when the plastic from the bag is seeping in with the dmt?

Im putting al my shit in vials for now on.  FUck.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: yournamehere on April 23, 2012, 06:19 pm
Who is a good DMT vendor then?

A blanket statement like this only serves to spread fear, especially considering I ordered DMT recently.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: machineelfDMT on April 23, 2012, 07:21 pm
Who is a good DMT vendor then?

A blanket statement like this only serves to spread fear, especially considering I ordered DMT recently.

I just started vending so I won't have any positive feedback for a few days (just mailed out my first orders today), but my DMT is produced without any toxic chemicals (including petroleum solvents), and only food-safe ingredients. I currently have a sale on because I am a new vendor, I reckon it will probably last until the end of the week.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: ProfADaemon on April 24, 2012, 01:44 am
Who is a good DMT vendor then?

A blanket statement like this only serves to spread fear, especially considering I ordered DMT recently.

This stuff was very pure when I tried it: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/538ad50d74
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: jewfro on April 24, 2012, 03:54 am
if it's dmt freebase, that's not surprising, since freebase chemicals are very caustic and fuck everything up around them...

chemistry terms: unstable, etc - they look to bind or break down to form more stable compounds or salts or some shit.

sooo, if you have some freebase shit lying around in something other than like vacuum-sealed glass, it's going to eat it.

probably.

and shit.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: Trinitron421 on April 24, 2012, 04:06 am
You stored it in a plastic bag? Jesus christ.
Amber glass vials are made for drugs people.

That gooey yellow substance, is N-Oxide. DMT like most other compounds, will oxidize. It is not solid at room temperature, more like an oily liquid.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: hatedpatriot on April 24, 2012, 04:35 am
OP, since you linked a shroomery thread, I'll assume you are painfully aware of the procedure for extracting DMT, as they go over and over and over that every week it seems. Just incase you haven't been reading I'll give you the hatedpatriot cliffnotes version.

First, you must break your material down that contains your locked away goodies, the DMT. You do this with chemical scissors, generally Sodium Hydroxide, or Lye is used. After a good soak in lye (24hrs), you then add a solvent of some kind that the now free DMT freebase would prefer to be in besides the lye water gunk. Most commonly this solvent is naphtha, good old zippo lighter fluid. The solvent and the gunk, or aqueous layer, will not mix. As you shake them up and leave the lighter fluid in the aqueous solution for a while it always separates into it's own layer. You can see that it takes on a yellow tint (that's because it's becoming saturated with DMT) and this yellow will eventually start getting some shades of brown, which you don't want. Won't kill you or make you sick, but it's non-psychoactive material, so you don't want it, right? Anyway, most people can barely stand to wait the 24 hours recommended to let the Naphtha get fully saturated with DMT before they are trying to pull it out. Somehow, there are a million ways, you have to separate those two layers. Since the aqueous layer is loaded with NaOH (another way to say lye) you want to avoid it at all costs, you want to sacrifice product if need be to ensure you only get Naphtha out. Once the naphtha is out, put it in a small glass and put it in the freezer. Solubility of different materials changes based on temperature. The cold ass freezer pushes much of the DMT out of solution. You then just pick those little rocks out and you got DMT freebase. You can put them on a papertowel or air dry to get the residual naphtha off, but it evaporates very quick. The thing about DMT is, look up it's melting point. The shit melts easy as hell. Don't remember what the MP was, but it's low, 70 or 80's Fahrenheit.

BTW, the only commercially feasible material to extract DMT freebase from is, I'll bet money on it, MHRB. This shit turns the deepest, stainin-est purple you ever saw when mixed with the lye and water. No way any of it could sneak by into the freebase. It would stick out big time. I have seen the freebase oxidize to brown rather quick and of course Ive seen it melt just sitting on the coffee table before. Throw the shit in the freezer, see what happens. Everything has different freezing and melting points. Throwing it in the freezer will separate chemicals with unlike freezing points. But my guess is you'll get nothing, a solid piece. But if you want to be safe, just redissolve the dmt in naphtha and put back into freezer. This will recrystallize the freebase for you and clean it up nicely. Remember, the freezer shit only works because the solution is saturated, so don't go throwing a little nickel rock in a 24 oz glass of naphtha, you'll never see that rock again lol.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: BigBlackDJ on April 24, 2012, 05:08 am
If you would like me to test these vendors samples of DMT, I can buy some and do so and run it through a gas chemical chromatography machine to test its purity and its chemical composition. Send me a private message on the vendors. Ill order (if they seem reputable to me) and ill report... I do know there are alot of fine great samples of 5meo out there, but than there are people that do make the home versions with pyrex dishes, lowes brand solvents that arent the appropriate purities, denatured ethanol... some people do try to short-cut through the process, while others are very proper using chemical lab equipment and controlled rooms. You never know what your getting unless you trust your vendors. There are chemists, under-grad "chemists", clandestine chemists, and fools just trying to make a buck... at every level your gunna get a certain quality and clearly everyone wants the "chemist-quality", but in actuality, you never know. Thats why you should buy from reputable dealers.... With that said, PM me the Vendors, ill order, than gas-chemical chromatography test the samples and ill report.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: Jaurk on April 24, 2012, 05:11 am
You don't just throw out DMT D:
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: SRTRAVLER on April 24, 2012, 05:33 am
bases do not eat away at plastic,

My other freebase chemicals are fine in their plastic bags.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: hatedpatriot on April 24, 2012, 06:22 am
bases do not eat away at plastic,

My other freebase chemicals are fine in their plastic bags.
Then it's the naphtha. I didn't catch that it was eating the bags. The only thing I know that is common and will do that is xylene. What's it smell like?
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: modest mouse on April 24, 2012, 06:55 am
what the fuck is 3pm of solvent. you sound like a moron, no offense... its just there is accurate and logical thought process and there is trying to sound like you know what you are talking about when you dont...  its parts per million and i said you could smell ridiculously small quantities of solvent, way lower concentrations then are dangerous, so i am positive there is no significant residue because you would be able to smell it, plus it evaporates so quickly it wouldnt still be around by the time you receive the dry white crystals anyway.

You made the claim the extraction was unsafe, and I said you were not being accurate, which you have only proven further

then you agree it wouldnt hurt you, so you are just trying to ruin these vendors reputations... this is why many of the best legit vendors have closed up shop cause of bullshit from their customersl. and the reason i posted was to tell you to retract your obviously false accusations which i still think your post needs to be edited.

you obviously know absolutely nothing if you are crying about the plastic bag being eaten away and leaving your dmt yellowish, given the fact over time dmt will oxidize converting to an oily liquid (what was floating on top of the alcohol...) originally you didnt say the bag was deteriorated but that a residue or film formed on the outside, as if it seeped through... not that the plastics integrity was compromised as if being dissolved. you will be surprised when your glass container starts dissolving too and coloring your dmt as well

how anyone could conclude that was plastic residue is beyond me and then to claim all of those sample of dmt are unsafe???

i bet youre gonna complain the dmt tastes like plastic now too, lol

also, for any concerned, no toxic chemicals are left after using NaOH and organic non-polar solvents even those comprised of hydrocarbon chains if a partially competent individual can follow instructions... which is why you should do the extraction yourself so you know what you are actually getting! so much more rewarding as well... real sense of accomplishment to trip after you did all the work yourself.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: hatedpatriot on April 24, 2012, 07:24 am
Since you're encouraging him to just do it himself, I thought I'd add something about doing it yourself. Terms like ppm(parts per million), microgram, mole, none of these terms fit in a DMT extraction. The reason is, you don't need ridiculous precision when doing ANY extraction. It is not a reaction in which reactants are consumed and you must have just enough beta-doohickey or the derpogen will not form. Understand the process and then just do the shit. It's not rocket science, or even bottle rocket science. Substitutes are available for everything.

Doing your own, if the numbers I remember are still good, $100 will get you about 5grams of freebase (based on starting with 500gms MHRB). I have tried to show many people how to do the extraction. It amazes me how complicated people make it. The only time you should even pay closer than normal attention, is when drawing out the naphtha to avoid any of the basic sludge making it over and don't use too much naphtha or you'll have to distill some off to get your spirit molecules back out of there.

I found petroleum ether to be a better solvent, but not worth the cost at all for this.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: RPMJunkie on April 24, 2012, 08:46 am
^^ Just so you know, petroleum ether and naphtha are the same thing :)  Just saying

If anybody is worried about NaOH or traces of solvent in their DMT you could just recrystallize in a very small amount of naptha(your gonna lose some of your DMT) or throw it in a coffee filter and pour some distilled water over it(might lose some DMT here too).

Too quote scarface from half baked "Just smoke it yo!"
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: hatedpatriot on April 24, 2012, 10:00 am
You're correct, but not entirely so. Petroleum ether describes a group of low boiling point, volatile compounds found in petroluem. Naphtha is indeed one of these compounds. But to be sold as petroleum ether it has some requirement of the compounds in it, can't remember. I know that that shit would take a sticker off something better than anything else on the planet. But at $45/500ml I was sparing with it. Once I was doing a DMT extraction and had no naphtha, so I tried it. I was very disappointed when repeated freezing, distilling off 50 or so ml then freezing again, failed to produce any precipitate. I was so bummed out. I dumped the last 40-50 ml in a pyrex pie dish. It quickly evaporated and left a honey oil type residue, but thick and plentiful. Scraping that up it quickly hardened and that was some really clean deemsters. I dosed up heavy on MDA one night when I had that batch and I took three or four heavy lungfuls while I was peaking on the MDA. Wow.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: jewfro on April 24, 2012, 07:18 pm
ok, errbody chill the fuck out.

aaaand, i don't know how caustic and to what freebase dmt is... i just know that freebase = base = caustic .

maybe someone put purpl drank in yo dmt, HOW THE FUC I KNO

i do understand that DMT is highly volatile and unstable, so why don't we all just put this shit in airtight bags into the freezer and everyone wins :D
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: hatedpatriot on April 24, 2012, 07:29 pm
Lol, jewfro, you crack me up, kneegrow.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: SRTRAVLER on April 26, 2012, 06:32 am
what the fuck is 3pm of solvent. you sound like a moron, no offense... its just there is accurate and logical thought process and there is trying to sound like you know what you are talking about when you dont...  its parts per million and i said you could smell ridiculously small quantities of solvent, way lower concentrations then are dangerous, so i am positive there is no significant residue because you would be able to smell it, plus it evaporates so quickly it wouldnt still be around by the time you receive the dry white crystals anyway.

You made the claim the extraction was unsafe, and I said you were not being accurate, which you have only proven further

then you agree it wouldnt hurt you, so you are just trying to ruin these vendors reputations... this is why many of the best legit vendors have closed up shop cause of bullshit from their customersl. and the reason i posted was to tell you to retract your obviously false accusations which i still think your post needs to be edited.

you obviously know absolutely nothing if you are crying about the plastic bag being eaten away and leaving your dmt yellowish, given the fact over time dmt will oxidize converting to an oily liquid (what was floating on top of the alcohol...) originally you didnt say the bag was deteriorated but that a residue or film formed on the outside, as if it seeped through... not that the plastics integrity was compromised as if being dissolved. you will be surprised when your glass container starts dissolving too and coloring your dmt as well

how anyone could conclude that was plastic residue is beyond me and then to claim all of those sample of dmt are unsafe???

i bet youre gonna complain the dmt tastes like plastic now too, lol

also, for any concerned, no toxic chemicals are left after using NaOH and organic non-polar solvents even those comprised of hydrocarbon chains if a partially competent individual can follow instructions... which is why you should do the extraction yourself so you know what you are actually getting! so much more rewarding as well... real sense of accomplishment to trip after you did all the work yourself.


i guess i miss read your post about the 3ppm part or my ego got in the way.

"i bet youre gonna complain the dmt tastes like plastic now too, lol"

That made me lol
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: sashashulgin on April 26, 2012, 07:49 am
If you would like me to test these vendors samples of DMT, I can buy some and do so and run it through a gas chemical chromatography machine to test its purity and its chemical composition. Send me a private message on the vendors. Ill order (if they seem reputable to me) and ill report... I do know there are alot of fine great samples of 5meo out there, but than there are people that do make the home versions with pyrex dishes, lowes brand solvents that arent the appropriate purities, denatured ethanol... some people do try to short-cut through the process, while others are very proper using chemical lab equipment and controlled rooms. You never know what your getting unless you trust your vendors. There are chemists, under-grad "chemists", clandestine chemists, and fools just trying to make a buck... at every level your gunna get a certain quality and clearly everyone wants the "chemist-quality", but in actuality, you never know. Thats why you should buy from reputable dealers.... With that said, PM me the Vendors, ill order, than gas-chemical chromatography test the samples and ill report.

How far do your skills extend? I think that some of the overly cautious customers would love to have an independent test facility to check the purity of various compounds. Maybe a cooperative of some kind could be set up. Just an idea.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: DiMiTriSpice on April 29, 2012, 03:13 am
If you would like me to test these vendors samples of DMT, I can buy some and do so and run it through a gas chemical chromatography machine to test its purity and its chemical composition. Send me a private message on the vendors. Ill order (if they seem reputable to me) and ill report... I do know there are alot of fine great samples of 5meo out there, but than there are people that do make the home versions with pyrex dishes, lowes brand solvents that arent the appropriate purities, denatured ethanol... some people do try to short-cut through the process, while others are very proper using chemical lab equipment and controlled rooms. You never know what your getting unless you trust your vendors. There are chemists, under-grad "chemists", clandestine chemists, and fools just trying to make a buck... at every level your gunna get a certain quality and clearly everyone wants the "chemist-quality", but in actuality, you never know. Thats why you should buy from reputable dealers.... With that said, PM me the Vendors, ill order, than gas-chemical chromatography test the samples and ill report.

Hi BigBlackDJ,

This is a great idea. We run GCs a couple times a month to insure purity, but an independent test would be nice. Would you perhaps have access to an IR or NMR (beyond my budget I'm afraid). Myself and my people are not kitchen chemists. We use reagent grade chemicals, absolutely do not use Naphtha or any other hardware store nonsense, two of us are University trained organic chemists, and we have a professional lab. What I see happening here in regards to color change is poor storage. As previously mentioned in this thread N,N-DMT has a low melting point and can oxidize if not properly stored. I would never offer anything that I would consider harmful (or that I wouldn't smoke - which I do regularly). More, most DMT vendors that I know (and this goes for the rest of the psychonaut community as well) do not sell their wares simply to make a quick profit. If that was the case we'd be posting coke and heroin. We care about what we do and want to change peoples perspective. Hopefully enrich their lives. Shoot me a line on the road and I'll send you a sample pronto.

Peace,
DiMiTri
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: hatedpatriot on April 29, 2012, 03:26 am
DiMiTri, I'm sorry if I'm just missing it, but I can't tell whether your DMT is synthetic or not. You mention plants many times, but then also injection. Was just wondering as I would like to have some injectable.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: DiMiTriSpice on April 29, 2012, 04:00 am
DiMiTri, I'm sorry if I'm just missing it, but I can't tell whether your DMT is synthetic or not. You mention plants many times, but then also injection. Was just wondering as I would like to have some injectable.

Hi hatedpatriot,

Our DMT is naturally extracted from locally sourced plants. I work with farmers and instruct on proper harvesting methods/times. While there is really no difference between a synthetic compound and an extracted one (less some minor impurities depending of course on proper chromatography methods), we chose to use a natural source as there is some skepticism in the community and with some of our people regarding synthetic compounds. The DMT one smokes is freebase D as it has a lower melting point and is thus easier to vaporize. You cannot inject this (or, ok yeah you can but it's a really bad idea). The injectable form DMT is what's known as DMT fumarate as it is the fumaric salt form of N,N-DMT.  I've had quite a few requests over the last month or so. I'm going to go ahead and do it. It will still be natural, plant extracted DMT put through a simple conversion.  Let me get through this week (because I'm backed up like crazy) and I'll get to work. A note of caution however. Injecting DMT is a very serious psychedelic venture. You will need someone around as I doubt (from personal experience) that you will be able to pull the needle out of your arm. I will make sure to include dosage, safety precautions, the LD50, and all other applicable information when I put the listing up. Just keep an eye out in the next couple weeks.

Peace,
DiMiTri
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: hatedpatriot on April 29, 2012, 04:17 am
Turning extracted freebase into water soluble fumarate is more work than just synthing from scratch. So as of now you only have freebase? Bummer. I had planned to salt some of the freebase I had from an extraction, but I ended up giving it all away before I got any done. I will be interested in seeing your listings of the fumurate.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: jookie on April 29, 2012, 04:23 am
DMT degrades. I've seen PURE WHITE DMT turn into a goopy substance when stored improperly. This is common.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: ArmTrax on April 29, 2012, 04:31 am
It is very important to "wash" and "dry" your DMT laden naptha before you do the freeze precip. This takes out loads of other impurities that make their way into the naptha along with DMT.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: wuty on April 29, 2012, 06:59 pm
So, what is the best storage for DMT? I would be glad to hear few different methods. What about storage for a Mescaline or 2C-B? Can somebody submit a link to good resource about "best practices" for drugs storage?
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: hatedpatriot on April 29, 2012, 07:03 pm
Check here http://y47ylcppnh3afqk4.onion/
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: jookie on April 29, 2012, 07:12 pm
Phenylethamines like mescaline, 2C-B, MDMA, Methamphetamine are all very stable compounds. As long as there's no direct heat to it, it's probably gonna last awhile.

Tryptamines like psilocybin, LSD (ergoline to be exact), DMT, 4-substituted tryptamines (4-ho-met, 4-aco-dmt- 4-aco-det), and 5-meo tryptamines (5-meo-dmt, 5-meo-mipt) are far less stable and degrade (admittedly at a slow rate) even when in the dark. Depends on the chemical really, but ideally you want to store the chemical in an amber-glass vial. You may want to keep a silica gel packet in there next to the vial if you're concerned with moisture. Keeping it in the freezer prolongs many chemicals. It's a common method of storing many the RC psychedelic tryptamines.
Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: wuty on May 01, 2012, 08:03 pm
@hatedpatriot: I didn't find any files about drugs storage on the site you provided. Although, this site may be useful in the future, so thanks anyway ;)

@jookie: thank you for great answer! Can you elaborate on LSD storage in amber-glass vial? Is is safe to keep LSD there with no other "protection" (for example some bag or aluminum foil)? Does the same apply to other tryptamines?

(sorry for offtopic)

Title: Re: DMT home extractions sold on Silk Road, NOT SAFE TO SMOKE
Post by: jookie on May 03, 2012, 09:41 pm
I think just leaving it in the amber vials is enough. The point of foil is to reflect light away from the tabs inside. Amber glass vials reduce a lot of light going in.