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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: hatter76 on October 20, 2012, 06:27 am

Title: Do not deal with Cats Craddle! BLACK LIST! RE: Opana VS BTH and cross tolerance
Post by: hatter76 on October 20, 2012, 06:27 am
Hi,

I have another nasty buyer that obviously has no basic understanding of biology and does not respect the SR feedback system at all, he is BLACKLISTED 110%

The buyer is :
Cats Craddle
From WA

He purchased the 2mg/ml Opana, 5mg/ml Opana and 250mg of 100mg/ml Cold Shoot BTH and complains that he didn't feel the Opana at all and that the cold shoot was weak, leaving 3/5 feedbacks for all the orders without so much as a message.  I have had no problems with any of my other buyers and make a very strong point of standardizing my IV solutions.  I never guarantee that may of my products will get you higher or is stronger than any other uncut BTH or Opana.

It's obvious that this person uses a lot of heroin and has a high tolerance which is why he didn't feel the Opana and is saying that the cold shoot is weak.

I know for sure that my Opana is standardized at 2mg/ml and 5mg/ml and H and 100mg/ml (and uncut).  Also that I'm pretty sure IMO that 98% of the BTH comes from the same cartel which mean that the potency is pretty much the same from any vendor that sells uncut BTH.

This person probably uses more than 100mg/ml of BTH and so feels that this filtered BTH is "weak" in his perspective. For the majority of people 100mg/ml of BTH will knock them on their ass but for the users with high tolerance 100mg/ml does nothing, for myself I need at least 200mg bth to just relieve my pain and 20mg of iv Opana.

I'm thinking he is using the BTH and also the Opana at the same time which is obviously the reason that he doesn't feel it, it is also pretty apparent that he is quite unaware of the biological effects of these drugs as even if Opana is stronger than BTH MG for MG he is not using it MG for MG.  It's totally comparing apples to oranges, I'm sure if he used 100mg of Opana he would feel it and probably OD from it too but that is just not cost effective and dangerous.  This is juvenile street mentality and I'm WARNING ALL sellers that this person is not to be dealt with at all.  I'm sure he would leave the same feedback to any vendor just because he doesn't have basic understanding of drug dosages.

I'm posting his FB for all to see:

Quote
    1 5ml Vial HP Opana/Oxymorphone 5mg/ml w/needles!    Cats Craddle    3 of 5    Great shipping and packaging..will update with potency UPDATE: NO potency for me whatsoever. I used the whole vial with no effect. Could have been water    6 days ago

    1 5ml Vial of Opana/Oxymorphone 2mg/ml w/needles!    Cats Craddle    3 of 5    Everything fine....will update with potency, again....I tried to get a buzz from this stuff....absolutely nothing....I wanted for this to be great stuff, but got nothing from the entire batch...Not sure the extraction method is really pulling out the oxymorphone....I would like to know if anyone really felt something from this.    6 days ago

    1x 250mg BTH Cold Shoot w/10 BD Needles &Bac; Wat    Cats Craddle    4 of 5    Haven't tried yet....but packaging was fine and shipping fine Quality of BTH is average at best, I wanted to really find a great new source for BTH, but found this to be mediocre tar    6 days ago

    One 5ml Vial Opana/Oxymorphone 2mg/ml 10mg FOR IV!    Cats Craddle    3 of 5    haven't tried it for potency....great packaging and shipping though UPDATE: NO potency for me whatsoever. I used the whole vial with no effect. Could have been water    6 days ago


I spend a lot of time and work and risk to provide a good product which is exactly what I have posted in the item description, buyers like this who do not read the listing and do not have basic understanding of tolerance is irresponsible and frustrating.  He is only hurting the community as this is the type of person to most likely abuse the drug and end up ODing and then blaming the vendor.

He wonders if others feel the same about the Opana when I have shipped over 100 vials with no issues (aside from the occasional cross-tolerant H users which actually understand why they didn't feel "high", which I actually worked with to make them happy when contacted).  He asks if others had the same experience and the proof is in the feedback, it's ridiculous to think that any of the FB for my items have been fabricated or the 400+ fans that I have did not feel anything from my product!

Not only that, I warned him about the cross tolerance that you get if you use BTH and Opana as well as the great difference in MG-MG dose. 

So VENDORS BEWARE Cats Craddle is NOT TO BE DEALT WITH!

To my loyal buyers, please feel free to chime in and post your opinion, I would like to see what others think and perhaps this buyer and other potential buyers of my products understand this.

As stated in my seller's page I will only send out orders that I know will get a 5/5, MEANING that it is exactly as described, standardized and tested.  True, I want to keep my rating at 100 which is why I won't ship any sub-par products and will always do my best to ensure high quality and resolve any issues otherwise.  This does not mean I can control how STRONG the actual BTH or Opana is, it is up to the buyer to determine their tolerance and ensure that is the correct product for their use.

Sorry for the long post, I will update this if the buyer resolves this issue.  Otherwise, feel free to contact the buyer and perhaps educate him about how the SR system works.

Thanks
Title: Re: Do not deal with Cats Craddle! BLACK LIST!
Post by: poopjerk on October 20, 2012, 06:29 am
Don't get ripped off...BUY YOUR OPANAS FROM ME INSTEAD!
Title: Re: Do not deal with Cats Craddle! BLACK LIST!
Post by: betaraybob on October 20, 2012, 06:37 am
sorry you got to deal with garbage like this hatter. you have been consistently the best everything vendor including h and other specialities for months. in fact, i remember getting his first opana sample back in the day. hatter is the best.
Title: Re: Do not deal with Cats Craddle! BLACK LIST!
Post by: CrazyBart on October 20, 2012, 08:04 am
Gotta put the zip up on this forum? Why don't you wait until you make it to the vendors forum and then put this info on the blacklist thread there. The general public doesn't need to see this shit
Title: Re: Do not deal with Cats Craddle! BLACK LIST!
Post by: hatter76 on October 20, 2012, 08:49 am
Gotta put the zip up on this forum? Why don't you wait until you make it to the vendors forum and then put this info on the blacklist thread there. The general public doesn't need to see this shit

Zip doesn't reveal anything, I take care to "purge" all sensitive data once the deal is done and wouldn't ever use that as leverage, this post is here specifically to inform both buyers and sellers of this issue as it impacts my reputation.

I believe my buyers have the right to know the circumstances as if looked at just on the item FB you can't see any context. 

This also serves to educate more people about opiate tolerance and the difference between Opana and BTH, I have been going over this subject over and over in the SR PM's and it gets tiring.  So I hope this situation helps to clear up the questions about why some people who use 100-200mg/ml of heroin at a time is not going to feel the 2mg/ml or even 5mg/ml Opana as that is a huge difference in dose as in (mg/kg) which is why I make it a point to tell people this and to not get the Opana from me (even if I am loosing a sale) as they would very likely not be happy with the purchase as the product is not cheap vs BTH.

Also for people who are regular BTH users there is something that happens which shoots tolerance through the roof quicker than Hydromorphone or Oxymorphone and for some reason there is not really any way to go back and reset the tolerance.  I personally know this as I have done Ibogaine 2 times and still have not been able to reset my opiate tolerance back to the levels before I touched heroin.  Before I even tried H, I used hydromorphone IR at 10mg/ml and only needed 2-5mg to totally make me nod out, this worked for almost 2 years with out having to up the dose, the same goes for Opana.  Then when I was SOL on getting my medication I had to try H for my pain and it worked for a bit and I only needed 10-30mg at a time to even nod and take away my pain but the tolerance built very quickly and eventually escalated to using 50mg then 100mg at a time within just a few months!  Now I need almost 200mg of BTH just to relieve my pain and I don't even get high.  If I use Opana IV, I need about 20mg at a time, (which is enough to kill some people) just for pain relief.  So unless you get a script and can extract your own Opana it's not very cost effective, not to mention the time and work it takes to extract it.

So point is, I don't mind letting people know that they should not buy the Opana if they are H users, (unless you use very little H) otherwise it would be a waste, 2mg/ml would be just like water for me as well but knocks out people who don't use opiates often or haven't touched H.  Even though I may loose the sale I would rather have people save their body by not escalating to using H on a regular basis as there isn't really a way of going back. 

My main concern is harm reduction and I don't want to encourage the abuse of drugs, just proper USE.  There is nothing wrong with getting a buzz but is it really worth screwing up your tolerance if you don't have to?  At the same time I get buyers like this which I have warned prior to the sale that he is not very likely to feel the Opana because of his H usage, I told him not to buy it, even though I lose the sale.  I already knew the buyer was not likely to be satisfied with the IV Opana, even the 5mg/ml HP version as the H tolerance completely kills it.

This is what I mean when I say I only want to make sales that are 5/5 and give fair waring to everyone if I feel the product is not likely to work well for them.  I don't believe I should have to suffer with a bad rating because someone chooses to disregard my advice.  Perhaps I will me more selective to buyers of Opana when I see that they also order/use heroin as that would ensure that everyone has a satisfactory transaction.  Aside from that there is no way for me to magically make Opana stronger, it would be the same if you got it from the hospital and my point is to try and educate people about this.

If people disagree then I would love to hear any constructive feedback.

Thanks

Title: Re: Do not deal with Cats Craddle! BLACK LIST! RE: Opana VS BTH and cross tolerance
Post by: anex45 on October 20, 2012, 10:52 am
I can't comment on Hatter's Opana solution because I have not tried it but I can comment on the cold-shoot.

Hatter's cold-shoot is definitely NOT weak, I love it and so do many of his buyers, that's why he's got so much great feedback and so many repeat buyers. I've been purchasing a lot from him lately and wouldn't be buying his stuff if I thought it was no good. It looks like that buyer would have not been happy no matter what and I'm sure no matter what heroin vendor he bought off of, he would have acted the same.

I've been using heroin for 9 years going on 10 and I get my stuff from a city well know for it's heroin so I'm lucky to be able to use high quality dope often and can tell whether the dope I'm using is good or not so good.

BUT some weeks I get tired of making the drive to the city, avoiding police, staying on top of which corner has the best dope today, staying on high alert to avoid being robbed or burned, risking my life, etc...and my record is just getting worse, so it's a relief that I found SR and can now purchase heroin on here and can just have my heroin delivered to my doorstep whenever I need a few days break from the streets.

Basically I'm not looking to try out vendor after vendor after vendor, I just wanted one good vendor who had consistently good heroin that I could buy whenever I needed it and I chose Hatter because his cold-shoot is fantastic IMO and not only that...but when I order from him I know my stuff is going to be shipped out fast, always make it here, and if I ever have a problem I know I can send him a message and he's there to help!

On the subject of his Opana and that guy not feeling it:

I was using pharms/pills before I started using heroin but once my body got used to heroin, whenever I tried to go back to pills...they just wouldn't do anything for me. Your body just gets accustomed to heroin once you've been using it for awhile and even if you try to switch to some of the strongest pharms...your body still wants that good heroin!
Title: Re: Do not deal with Cats Craddle! BLACK LIST! RE: Opana VS BTH and cross tolerance
Post by: finally55 on November 12, 2012, 03:12 pm
I can't speak about the Opana, but what he's saying about your Cold Shoot H is BULLSHIT! That stuff is fire. I weigh 180+ and I nod off of 30 units. Granted, I kicked the monkey off my back 11 years ago and I only use casually now, but still...

The high has legs and the convenience and harm reduction value is tremendous.