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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: Crisis on March 08, 2012, 08:56 am

Title: MDMA dose
Post by: Crisis on March 08, 2012, 08:56 am
I have a gram of MDMA crystals coming in and I was wondering what you guys thought about doses. I've tried 120mg from a different vendor before and while I have no doubt it was the real thing,  I certainly didn't roll.

Would 150-180mg be too much? I don't want to over do it but I want that MDMA bang that 120mg just didn't have and no redosing would bring on.
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: White Light on March 08, 2012, 10:35 am
Hi,
Most of time 120 mg of real MDMA is enough to roll. Of course it depends a lot of conditions (administration route ? empty stomach ? Did you roll less than a month ago ? medical prescriptions ?) and everybody have different sensitivity with the product. Of course you can safely try 150mg, personally my limit is near 180 / 200mg, I prefer 120mg and a 60mg boost than 180mg in a single parachute because I love smooth come up but really depends what you are looking for. You have to find your sweet point with this substance, taking more won't necessarily give you a better roll.
I think I never met anybody who took 150-200mg of real MDMA and didn't roll hard !

WL
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: Crisis on March 09, 2012, 02:08 am
Thanks for the advice. I'm not very familiar with MDMA crystal but you'd think that it would be more pure than pills. I probably had a cross-tolerance with other meds but I can't remember for sure. I'm letting my system clean out for a few weeks before rolling and I might up my dose to 150mg.

By the way, White Light, is your name from the Rudy Rucker book?
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: flicky42 on March 09, 2012, 09:13 pm
This is a very common misconception. Just because its a powder doesn't really mean its more pure. The chemist could get a poor recovery upon synthesis and also it being a white powder makes it really easy to cut.

Anyways a good question is also how much you ate before you dropped. If you had a big meal and then dropped molly your body is going to metabolize it slowly and probably unevenly resulting in not getting enough at one time to really roll.

Upping the dose to 150 is fine that's not considered a dangerous amount at all. You'll be safe on that.
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: zubic09 on March 09, 2012, 09:20 pm
I would personally up it to 180-200 mg, worst case scenario you roll face...which is really the best case scenario haha 8)
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: Crisis on March 09, 2012, 11:14 pm
This is a very common misconception. Just because its a powder doesn't really mean its more pure. The chemist could get a poor recovery upon synthesis and also it being a white powder makes it really easy to cut.

Anyways a good question is also how much you ate before you dropped. If you had a big meal and then dropped molly your body is going to metabolize it slowly and probably unevenly resulting in not getting enough at one time to really roll.

Upping the dose to 150 is fine that's not considered a dangerous amount at all. You'll be safe on that.

Good point on the food. I normally dose on an empty stomach but it was a few months back so I can't say for certain.

As far as purity goes, it was in crystal form, not powder, but I'm sure the same idea applies. I've only taken pills and they were very strong when they first hit; real bang zoom, so I'd thought (mistakingly) that crystals must be more pure. Now I know better.

I was also curious about how crucial  was the source of manufacture. The batch I was talking about in my OP was sourced from the UK while this batch I have coming in is from NL via Germany.

But thanks for clueing me in on the dose. I feel confident that I'll be able to dose between 150-180mg without flipping out and dying. And as Zubic09 pointed out, rolling face is indeed the best case scenario. In fact, that's what it's all about. Anything less is a disappointment.
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: bsalt on March 10, 2012, 03:32 am
200mg empty stomach and no alcohol all day you will roll.
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: tordemon on March 10, 2012, 05:17 am
Maybe you should consider some reagents to at least get a glance at the quality of the product you've received.
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: Crisis on March 10, 2012, 06:44 am
Maybe you should consider some reagents to at least get a glance at the quality of the product you've received.

That's not a bad idea. Where can you get the kits? Headshops?
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: imaloonyguy on March 10, 2012, 06:49 am
Maybe you should consider some reagents to at least get a glance at the quality of the product you've received.

That's not a bad idea. Where can you get the kits? Headshops?

you should google dancesafe!
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: Crisis on March 10, 2012, 07:57 am
Maybe you should consider some reagents to at least get a glance at the quality of the product you've received.

That's not a bad idea. Where can you get the kits? Headshops?

you should google dancesafe!

Thank you!
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: tordemon on March 10, 2012, 03:17 pm
DanceSafe's reagents have had a fair amount of problems with me (ie, they sent me the wrong stuff the first time and they shorted me the second time), but I'm not sure where else you can get them. I know that Amazon has some NIK drug testing kits, but they don't work in quite the same way as the DanceSafe kits. Actually, there's also ez-test, though I have no personal experience with their products.
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: imaloonyguy on March 10, 2012, 05:37 pm
DanceSafe's reagents have had a fair amount of problems with me (ie, they sent me the wrong stuff the first time and they shorted me the second time), but I'm not sure where else you can get them. I know that Amazon has some NIK drug testing kits, but they don't work in quite the same way as the DanceSafe kits. Actually, there's also ez-test, though I have no personal experience with their products.

hmmmm.... ive never had a problem, and my friend also ordered from the same place. well google reviews on ez-kit and dancesafe i guess... times are a changin
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: l1llykins on March 11, 2012, 03:59 am
I got my stuff from dancesafe just fine.

And erowid suggests 2mg per kg (or lbs/2.2) as an average dose for mdma. So if you're 220lbs start with 200mg.
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: ianfleming on March 11, 2012, 04:09 am
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And erowid suggests 2g per kg (or lbs/2.2) as an average dose for mdma.
2g per Kg  :o
I SERIOUSLY hope you mean 2mg
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: l1llykins on March 11, 2012, 04:10 am
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And erowid suggests 2g per kg (or lbs/2.2) as an average dose for mdma.
2g per Kg  :o
I SERIOUSLY hope you mean 2mg

Rofl, never did that before. Yes, sorry, 2mg!

Corrected myself, thanks for seeing that Ian :).
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: Crisis on March 11, 2012, 05:18 am
Keep in mind that if you are on any antidepressants (ie. SSRIs) then you will get highly diminished effects on drugs like MDMA and LSD. As mentioned earlier, the time since your last meal and dose to body weight ratio, do matter but unless you are a huge guy who just ate a huge meal, 120mg should have had you feeling something. ;)

OP, if you don't mind sharing are you taking any prescription drugs?

In my experience, the country of origin doesn't always indicate quality - even here on SR we see all kinds of 'UK Specials' on MDMA so there are probably plenty of UK reshippers around that ship NL product. Also, color won't provide any definitive answer. Some of the best quality crystals I have encountered were dark brown, but there is great clear/white product too. It all depends on the reagents used.

Also, if you can, roll less than once a month. I know it may sounds torturous, but it really does keep the tolerance down, and while the neurotoxic effects of MDMA are controversial, it's better safe than sorry!

All great points.

I'm not on any prescriptions.

I really think it was a case of cross-tolerance on my part. My serotonin levels were probably shot, I just can't remember for certain. I felt something on 120mg, just not what I was expecting. It was very mild.

I'm not a MDMA pro by any means, that why I thought I'd ask.

And l1llykins, great info! I've never heard that before. Very good to know.
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: flicky42 on March 11, 2012, 07:34 am
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And erowid suggests 2g per kg (or lbs/2.2) as an average dose for mdma.
2g per Kg  :o
I SERIOUSLY hope you mean 2mg

I hope he didn't even mean that hahaha. I weigh 135 and 2mg per would mean 270 mg and thats alot for me.
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: Crisis on March 11, 2012, 08:20 am
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And erowid suggests 2g per kg (or lbs/2.2) as an average dose for mdma.
2g per Kg  :o
I SERIOUSLY hope you mean 2mg

I hope he didn't even mean that hahaha. I weigh 135 and 2mg per would mean 270 mg and thats alot for me.

Per kg not lb. For you, a dose should be around 122-125mg.
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: l1llykins on March 11, 2012, 08:35 am
2mg per your weight in kilos ... to find out how much you weigh in kilos, take your weight in lbs and divide by 2.2  ;D
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: fizzy on March 11, 2012, 08:36 am
1 pound = 2.2 kg.  135 /2.2 = 61.36 kg
Suggested dose of 1.5-2mg/kg if taken orally. 61.36*2 = 92-122.7 mg
Call it 95-125 mg.

Dose range is maybe better at the low end of the range for women (young women in particular? that's a full dinner's worth of discussion. It's not a 'protect the wimmens from themselves' thing. It's a hyponatremia thing.)

If you're a 35 year old 135# male then I apologize for the assumption.

edit: sorry, all the other conversion fans got here at the same time and I kept clicking and wandering off.
stupid medieval measurements. (I use 'em too.)
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: cheesepuffs on March 11, 2012, 03:14 pm
Keep in mind that if you are on any antidepressants (ie. SSRIs) then you will get highly diminished effects on drugs like MDMA and LSD. As mentioned earlier, the time since your last meal and dose to body weight ratio, do matter but unless you are a huge guy who just ate a huge meal, 120mg should have had you feeling something. ;)

OP, if you don't mind sharing are you taking any prescription drugs?

In my experience, the country of origin doesn't always indicate quality - even here on SR we see all kinds of 'UK Specials' on MDMA so there are probably plenty of UK reshippers around that ship NL product. Also, color won't provide any definitive answer. Some of the best quality crystals I have encountered were dark brown, but there is great clear/white product too. It all depends on the reagents used.

Also, if you can, roll less than once a month. I know it may sounds torturous, but it really does keep the tolerance down, and while the neurotoxic effects of MDMA are controversial, it's better safe than sorry!

What kind of diminished effects do you get from MDMA if prescription drugs are taken regularly?

Is it better to up the dosage?
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: flicky42 on March 11, 2012, 04:01 pm
Many SSRI's regulate serotonin levels in your brain so it's really better to just not take MDMA if your on anti depressants. I'm not sure upping the dose would really do much.


And to everyone else haha thank you  I had a brain fart with that comment 125 mg is the does I usually do.
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: ianfleming on March 11, 2012, 05:39 pm
To make things easy, 1mg per lb.
So 135mg for you sir.
Title: Re: MDMA dose
Post by: l1llykins on March 11, 2012, 06:02 pm
To make things easy, 1mg per lb.
So 135mg for you sir.

It's 0.909mg per lb to be more accurate (though not as easy, hehe).