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Title: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: SusAsFuck on May 19, 2012, 08:22 pm
I've done acid twice so far. I waited two weeks between the trips but now we want to trip tonight and it's been 4 days since our last trip. Would it be safe to trip again? Would I even have a tolerance yet? Also how often should one wait between trips.
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: gustono on May 19, 2012, 08:26 pm
You won't trip as hard if it's the same amount, but you will still trip.

I would leave it 2 weeks between personally, your mind is fragile.
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: war on May 19, 2012, 08:28 pm
EVERY FUCKING DAY.   ;) Seriously though, my personal belief is your body builds up a natural tolerance for the chemical.  I truly don't believe there are health risks by taking it too much, however I could be wrong here.  If you have an analytical strong mind and access to a good setting to trip in knock yourself out but look up HPPD and some other side affects and then make your own personal choice.

Psychedelics are crazy substances.  If i believed that psychedelics could hurt my body by taking them too much they probably would.  However, since I TRULY believe I can handle heroic doses of psychedelics then guess what... I AM able to handle heroic doses.

Just my 0.02... I'm not a doctor and I could be insane already  :o
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: NeuroRelativizer on May 19, 2012, 09:17 pm
It depends on how secure you are in playing with your consciousness, and how much you care that the rising tolerance of close together experiences means it costs a bit more to facilitate. Personally, as long as I had all my daily affairs handled for two weeks, I'd love to spend the first one tripping constantly.

Just be aware that the more you do it the more you need to reinforce your idea of reality. Don't want to lose that, no no no.
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: TheAbsurd on May 19, 2012, 09:39 pm
You'll trip... but if you keep doing this for a long time, 4 days won't be enough. I'd say wait at least a week, 5 days pushing it, 4 days you are REALLY pushing it. Smoke some weed so it'll get stronger.
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: joywind on May 19, 2012, 11:35 pm
shit
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: ilovelsd69 on May 19, 2012, 11:53 pm
Do as much acid your money can buy  ;D you may want to try 25i-nbome too, try to do it between LSD trips. Also stuck up on some benzos to help you sleep if you do it for 2-3 consecutive days. Have fun !
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: sl1pknot on May 20, 2012, 12:53 am
It won't harm you, so you can do it as often as you want.

I've taken acid every day for several months in a row (microdosing on weekdays, and doing large doses on weekends).

At sub-threshold levels, tolerance doesn't become much of an issue.
Wtf is the point of sub-threshold dosing? That sounds like a waste of money and drugs...

Wait around a week between trips, not sure about cross-tolerance with other substances though. Sure, I've had periods of doing LSD every weekend for a few weeks, maybe 5-6 in a row tops. After that I feel like I should give my brain a rest...

But I know people that do it more often than that, or religiously every weekend. And we're not talking about a dose or two on Saturday. They trip all weekend and keep re-dosing. There are probably minimal physical effects of high frequency dosing (besides maybe HPPD? physical in a brain sense..) but your mental health can take a turn for the worse, IMO people that trip too much become pretty weird, a bit socially awkward, their speech gets a little disconnected, and they just become quite airy and disconnected in their daily lives.

As always with EVERYTHING- moderation is key if you want to avoid any problems. :)
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: joywind on May 20, 2012, 02:03 am
]Wtf is the point of sub-threshold dosing? That sounds like a waste of money and drugs...
Because it stimulates the mind and enhances my mood while still allowing me to conduct my daily activities.  Low-dose LSD is a good alternative to caffeine, antidepressant medication, etc.
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: opi on May 20, 2012, 03:49 am
min. 1 week between doses.

You will have a buncha floaters in your vision when you look at white walls, or the blue sky.. Mine finally have subsided and this is almost 5 years later.. for like a year after my last dose I was always getting MADD floaters if I looked at something white, or the sky or even black... Now every once in a while I see some fish eye floaters... nothing too badd but still If I could go back I wouldn't change it.. LSD broadened my mind...
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: tordemon on May 20, 2012, 04:14 am
min. 1 week between doses.

You will have a buncha floaters in your vision when you look at white walls, or the blue sky.. Mine finally have subsided and this is almost 5 years later.. for like a year after my last dose I was always getting MADD floaters if I looked at something white, or the sky or even black... Now every once in a while I see some fish eye floaters... nothing too badd but still If I could go back I wouldn't change it.. LSD broadened my mind...

Are you suggesting that your HPPD lasted around 5 years? Damn, I felt bad about myself...
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: opi on May 20, 2012, 04:28 am
its random fish eyes in the sun or just static....

you get used to it... Mind you I did about a sheet (one hitter quitter's) within 6-8 months..

If I still had that connection I would still be dosing.. it was that freakin awesome.
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: Gary Oak on May 20, 2012, 04:47 am
]Wtf is the point of sub-threshold dosing? That sounds like a waste of money and drugs...
Because it stimulates the mind and enhances my mood while still allowing me to conduct my daily activities.  Low-dose LSD is a good alternative to caffeine, antidepressant medication, etc.

You're not the only one who does this. ;)


Anyways, I would suggest just waiting a week at least but two weeks is preferable. It's like the "stop & go" masturbation technique, the longer you wait the better it is in the end. ;D ;)
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: conehead on May 20, 2012, 05:16 am
I would not dose 2ci-nbome between acid doses. If you can afford acid, I would recommend it over 2ci-nbome because of it's euphoria that simply isn't present on 2ci-nbome. I also believe they act in the same way in the brain and there is cross tolerance. Right now acid prices are kinda jacked up because of all the scammers. Conspiracy theories write themselves in this situation.

Good luck! I'm in the same situation with 2ci-nbome right now. I want to experiment with lower doses (I took ~4mg the first time) but I'm sure I would not get visual effects and probably only experience the vascular side effects =(

I think I'm switching to LSD before I leave psychedelics alone for another decade :)
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: Caparino on May 20, 2012, 05:58 am
It won't harm you, so you can do it as often as you want.

I've taken acid every day for several months in a row (microdosing on weekdays, and doing large doses on weekends).

At sub-threshold levels, tolerance doesn't become much of an issue.

So microdosing, yeah? What's a good amount you've found efficient in terms of weekday usage? Quarter tabs/25ug?
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: joywind on May 20, 2012, 06:14 am
i dont give a shit
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: Gary Oak on May 20, 2012, 06:54 am
It won't harm you, so you can do it as often as you want.

I've taken acid every day for several months in a row (microdosing on weekdays, and doing large doses on weekends).

At sub-threshold levels, tolerance doesn't become much of an issue.

So microdosing, yeah? What's a good amount you've found efficient in terms of weekday usage? Quarter tabs/25ug?
One quarter of a tab. Even dosages as low as 10ug can still produce a perceptible effect.

I've also found other substances that spice up daily life in small doses. 2C-E, MXE, MDMA, and a little bit of meditation with Salvia and DMT. Little daily rituals like that, along with a handful of vitamins, have helped me through some tough times. LSD is always my favorite though, and holds a special place in my heart....or my brain? :P
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: kmfkewm on May 20, 2012, 07:05 am
It won't harm you, so you can do it as often as you want.

I've taken acid every day for several months in a row (microdosing on weekdays, and doing large doses on weekends).

At sub-threshold levels, tolerance doesn't become much of an issue.
Wtf is the point of sub-threshold dosing? That sounds like a waste of money and drugs...

Wait around a week between trips, not sure about cross-tolerance with other substances though. Sure, I've had periods of doing LSD every weekend for a few weeks, maybe 5-6 in a row tops. After that I feel like I should give my brain a rest...

But I know people that do it more often than that, or religiously every weekend. And we're not talking about a dose or two on Saturday. They trip all weekend and keep re-dosing. There are probably minimal physical effects of high frequency dosing (besides maybe HPPD? physical in a brain sense..) but your mental health can take a turn for the worse, IMO people that trip too much become pretty weird, a bit socially awkward, their speech gets a little disconnected, and they just become quite airy and disconnected in their daily lives.

As always with EVERYTHING- moderation is key if you want to avoid any problems. :)

In some communities people take LSD very differently than they do in others. Some places the norm for LSD is to split a single hit up into several pieces and take them through out the day. I have also done this before, taken tiny bits of LSD essentially every day multiple times a day, and then on weekends take a big dose. micro dosing works, but it is of course much less intense than taking a bunch all at once.

chronic heavy LSD use changes your brain. It lowers organizational abilities versus control groups, as shown by cognitive testing. It also increases other abilities versus control groups, for example ability to judge object size by touch is increased. Ability to differentiate between slight differences in color, and to detect slight movements, is greatly increased as compared to control groups. Long term heavy LSD users have substantially increased energy in all  brainwave frequencies as measured by EEG, and have lower than average amounts of anxiety. There are several other slight differences between heavy LSD users and non LSD users on cognitive tests, and the results go in both directions (above average and below average). There is also substantial evidence that heavy long term LSD use changes peoples personalities in a stereotypical fashion.
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: joywind on May 20, 2012, 07:09 am
I've also found other substances that spice up daily life in small doses. 2C-E, MXE, MDMA, and a little bit of meditation with Salvia and DMT. Little daily rituals like that, along with a handful of vitamins, have helped me through some tough times. LSD is always my favorite though, and holds a special place in my heart....or my brain? :P
What is MDMA like in low dosages?

Quote from: kmfkewm
chronic heavy LSD use changes your brain. It lowers organizational abilities versus control groups, as shown by cognitive testing. It also increases other abilities versus control groups, for example ability to judge object size by touch is increased. Ability to differentiate between slight differences in color, and to detect slight movements, is greatly increased as compared to control groups. Long term heavy LSD users have substantially increased energy in all  brainwave frequencies as measured by EEG, and have lower than average amounts of anxiety. There are several other slight differences between heavy LSD users and non LSD users on cognitive tests, and the results go in both directions (above average and below average). There is also substantial evidence that heavy long term LSD use changes peoples personalities in a stereotypical fashion.
This is all very interesting. Where did you find this information?
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: NeuroRelativizer on May 20, 2012, 07:23 am
Quote from: kmfkewm
chronic heavy LSD use changes your brain...
This is all very interesting. Where did you find this information?
Yes, any sources you can cite would be most appreciated. I'm going to have to remember to toss you a +Karma later.
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: kmfkewm on May 20, 2012, 07:25 am
From various studies, here is a summary of several

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/adverse.htm

search around and you can find pdf's of various studies, the citations of the provided link should point you in the right direction

hm most of that link actually talks about common knowledge stuff, I will have to dig around for some research papers, they go into much more detail and discuss the methods they use for testing and the results a lot more. Here is one excerpt from the provided link

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......K.H. Blacker and his colleagues, using a control group for comparison, studied 21 volunteer subjects who had used LSD 15 to 300 times (average 65 times), and found some of the features of the stereotypical acidhead: openness and relaxation, likeableness, passivity and introversion, occult and magical beliefs, hippie dress and hair styles. Four said they had memory blanks and sometimes found it difficult to organize thoughts and form sentences.
    On the electroencephelogram (EEG), which records brain waves, they did not have an unusually high rate of abnormalities; but they did show significantly more energy in all frequency bands than normal control subjects and psychiatric patients, and this suggested lower than usual levels of anxiety. On tests of intellectual capacity and auditory evoked response (both usually sensitive to the disorganization produced by schizophrenia) the LSD users were normal. But they were extraordinarily sensitive to visual stimuli of low intensity, which confirmed their opinion that they could observe gestures, postures, and shades of color better than most people. They also seemed to modulate and organize sensory stimuli in an unusual way, since there was no relationship between their evoked visual responses and their subjective tactile ones. The authors describe these subjects as eccentric or childlike but not schizophrenic or otherwise pathologically impaired. They emphasize that it was hard to separate the effects of the drug from those of personality and social climate.
    Psychedelic drug users have also been tested for organic brain damage. William McGlothlin and his colleagues (McGlothlin et al., 1969) compared 16 subjects who had taken LSD 20 times or more (the range was 20 to 1,100, the median was 75 times) with 16 controls; they examined the subjects clinically and also administered the Halstead-Reitan test battery. There were no clinical organic symptoms, and no scores on the neuropsychological tests that suggested brain damage; but on a test measuring capacity for nonverbal abstraction the LSD users scored lower. As in the case of Tucker's Rorschach results, the amount of LSD was not related to the score. Nevertheless, the authors conclude that continual heavy use may cause minor organic brain pathology: six of the LSD subjects, including the three heaviest users, were regarded as "moderately suspicious" in this respect. In another study, Morgan Wright and Terrence P. Hogan (1972) found no difference between subjects who had used LSD an average of 29 times and controls (matched for age, sex, education, and IO) on a variety of neuropsychological tests, including the ones used by McGlothlin. At most, these studies confirm the existence of an eccentric acidhead personality; they do not clearly imply mental illness or brain damage. ......
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: kmfkewm on May 20, 2012, 07:43 am
here is another:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_journal3.shtml

here are some snippets

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   The Ingestion of LSD produces profound alterations in individual's subjective world(8). We have some knowledge of the concomitant physiological and psychological events(16), and we know that such experiences in susceptible individuals can lead to psychosis requiring psychiatric hospitalization(6, 10, 12). We also know that perceptual distortions and emotional storms continue to occur in individuals long after the ingestion of the drug( 15, 19 ). We know little, however, about the effects of continued and frequent use of this drug or about the effects of the continued production of this intense state of altered consciousness, strong affect, and distorted reality. Examination of these phenomena may not only offer us an opportunity to gain further knowledge of the mind and its workings but can also provide us with information concerning a drug whose name, if not its effects, has produced great social furor.

We studied 21 chronic LSD users. Our subjects chosen on the basis of their history of use of LSD, were paid volunteers who lived in the community. They were not psychiatric patients. Each subject agreed to come to the Langley Porter Neuropsychiatric Institute for a day of interviews and tests.

Drug, social, and psychological histories were obtained in two 45-minute interviews. Cognitive testing, perceptual testing, and electroencephalographic studies filled the remaining hours. One subject was admitted to the research ward for a six-week period, for observation and testing. Fifteen of the subjects were restudied after a six-month interval. No subject ingested LSD within 48 hours of the test sessions.

Electroencephalographic Studies

Clinical electroencephalographic recordings were read independently by two experienced electroencephalographers, one of whom was unaware of the clinical condition. Reading independently, they agreed on 70 percent of the records. Of the initial 21 records, one was read as abnormal by both readers. Five others were rated as abnormal by one or the other reader. Such an incidence of abnormal EEGs is not unusual in a group of young adults.

Twelve of the subjects were retested six months later. Of these 12 records, three were read as abnormal by both readers and three others were read as abnormal by one or the other reader. Although there was an increase in the percentage of abnormal records in the restudied subjects, there was no relationship between continued LSD ingestion and changes in the clinical EEG.

The abnormal records were characterized by poor organization, high amplitudes, and increased fast and slow activity. They were compatible with either drug effect or central nervous system dysfunction.

Each record was analyzed by the frequency analyzer of Grey-Walter(23, 24) and the period analyzer of Burch(4, 5). The frequency analyzer of Grey-Walter stores the voltage for a given frequency band present in a ten-second epoch. At the end of each successive epoch, the condensers are discharged into a system that transcribes the energy in the form of a histogram. The period analyzer converts all voltage gradients into constant amplitude square waves, measures only zero crossings, and holds the information for the same predetermined ten-second epoch. The resulting total counts from the frequency analyzer reflect both the frequency and the amplitude of activity within a given frequency band, while the total counts from the period analyzer are determined by the number of waves within a given band and the amplitude is ignored.

Subsequently, the digital output from the analyzers was processed by an IBM 360/50 computer. The data were averaged over frequency bands and time (100 seconds) for a representative sample from each subject. In this manner total counts, a summation of the number of waves in each of the conventional EEG frequency bands (delta. theta. alpha, and beta) during a 100-second epoch, were obtained(25).

The computer analyses of the EEG recordings from the left occipital region, occiput to vertex, were compared with data obtained in a similar fashion from a group of 63 male psychiatric inpatients at the U.S. Naval Hospital (average age, 25; range, 17-44), primarily characterological disorders, and a second group of 25 unselected normal volunteers (average age, 32; range, 19-58). Comparisons of the mean energy in each frequency band as determined by the period analyzer and the frequency analyzer were made by an analysis of variance technique.

The values for the Navy and the normal groups were similar on each measure except for the presence of increased fast (beta) activity in the Navy group as measured by the period analyzer. The Navy group was significantly different (p < .01 ) from both the normal and the LSD group in the amount of beta activity present (figure 1). The outstanding feature of the data is all increased abundance of energy in all four frequency bands in the LSD group as measured by the frequency analyzer at the left occipital recording. site. These values are significantly different (p < .01 ) from the values of both the Navy and normal groups, which are similar to each other (figure 2).

Perceptual Studies
Visual Evoked Response

Visual evoked response amplitude-intensity functions were obtained from eight of the subjects using a technique described by Buchsbaum and Silverrnan(3). A cold cathode light source filling the subjects' visual field provided the visual stimulus. Light flashes, five milliseconds in duration and presented one every two seconds, were used. Five stimuli ranging in brightness from 3 to 410 foot-candles were presented in balanced blocks of 32 of the same intensity. A total of 96 stimulus presentations of each brightness were summed using a Mnematron CAT 300 computer.

The LSD group showed increased amplitudes (figure 3) at peak 3 and 4 at the dimmer intensities, as compared with a control group of 16 normal volunteers ranging in age front 19 to 25 (.05 < p < .10). The LSD group also had decreased latencies at peak 3 and 4 at all intensities (p < .01 ).

Kinesthetic Figural Aftereffects Task

The Kinesthetic figural aftereffects (KFA) task was administered using the technique described by Buchsbaum and Silverman (3). It involves simultaneous size estimations of a standard and comparison bar before and after stimulation obtained by rubbing test bars.

The KFA task can be considered a peripheral measure of perceptual style, and the visual evoked response a central measure of perceptual style. Both measures are sensitive to the manner in which sensory input is controlled. Individuals who reduce stimuli as measured by the peripheral KFA task also reduce stimuli as measured by the shape of the visual evoked response(3).

The correlation between these two measures for our control group (r = .73) was significant (p<.01). In our LSD group, unlike the normal group, there was no association between the peripheral and the central measures. The correlation between these two measures in the LSD group was an insignificant -.05.

Auditory Evoked Response

Using ten subjects (which included the eight tested with the visual evoked response measure) average auditory evoked responses were obtained in the manner described in our previous studies( 13). The subjects were asked to remain alert and seated with their eyes open watching their EEG displayed on an oscilloscope. They were asked to ignore the tones. Four sets of forty 600 Hz tones and forty 1000 Hz tones were presented in a haphazard order. The EEG was recorded from a vertex to a left ear electrode. The difference in wave form between the two resulting averaged evoked responses was measured by the product moment correlation between 400 corresponding points on the two evoked responses.

We have shown that the two-tone auditory evoked response is correlated with the degree of thought disorder present in psychiatric patients. The group of LSD users had a mean two-tone evoked response correlation of .964, with a range of .931-to .982. This is not significantly different from our normal value of .970. On the auditory evoked response, and in contrast to the visual evoked response data, there were no amplitude or latency differences between the LSD user group and the control group. Therefore, on this measure the LSD users do not demonstrate the characteristics of schizophrenic patients, nor did they differ from a normal population.

Cognitive Studies

Elementary intellectual capabilities were investigated with a series of tasks that required rapid response to visual stimuli of varying, color, form, and complexity. The tasks were performed on a console where five display cells presented stimuli in a horizontal row. The subjects responded by pressing, on transparent panels that covered these stimulus cells or by pressing on another single response panel with no stimulus behind it, which was placed two inches below the row of five. .

Two task formats were used. In the matching task, a block of 12 trials began with a simple stimulus in the cell at the far left. Pressing the lower single response panel caused the sample to disappear and four comparison stimuli to appear in the panels on the right. The subject was required to press the response panel that covered the stimulus in which the relevant attribute was the same as in the sample.

Response latencies were recorded to the nearest millisecond and punched on paper tape. A correct response caused the comparison stimuli to be replaced by the sample for the next trial. An incorrect response was recorded but produced no change in the stimulus display.

In the oddity task, a block of trials began with a frame in which no stimulus information was presented. When the subject pressed the lower panel, four stimuli appeared in the four right panels. Three of the stimuli were the same on the relevant attribute and one was different. The task was to press the odd stimulus as rapidly as possible.

In another series, of tasks two levels of complexity of form stimuli were used in the matching format. The number of comparison stimuli was varied to obtain an estimate of perceptual speed separately from response speed.

Interpretation of the results of these tests is complicated by great variability within the group of LSD users. Some of them performed as well as any of our normal subjects; others appeared to be deviant. But the deviance of a few subjects is a phenomenon that is difficult to demonstrate statistically in that it requires a large normative population.

In terms of over-all speed, then, and a variety of subdivisions of the information-processing, capabilities. Our results indicate that heavy LSD usage is compatible with normal performance but that a number of our LSD users were slow.

Two special patterns of deviance deserve comment. One subject who had used LSD a great deal between contacts showed a marked change in the pattern of his Scores, although his over-all speed did not change appreciably. Specifically, he became relatively poorer in matching compared to oddity responses to stimuli with irrelevant components. In this respect his performance became more like that of young children and like that of the single patient (with Korsakoff's syndrome) that we have tested.

A second deviant pattern was seen in three cases. These subjects tended to respond relatively slowly in the oddity task, particularly when form stimuli were the basis for response. We view this pattern as resulting from difficulty in coping with a sudden onslaught of information. We have also observed this pattern in two psychotic female psychiatric patients. We are inclined to think that this unusual pattern is not due to drugs.

Interviews
The average age of the subjects, 13 men and eight women, was 20; the youngest was 15; the oldest was 27. Twenty were Caucasian; one was Chinese. Four were married, but none lived with their spouse. Ten were from middle-class and ten were from upper-middle-class socioeconomic backgrounds. Nine were Protestant; six were Jewish; five were Catholic; one was Buddhist. Eighteen were high school graduates. Two had graduated from college. Ten were employed but only one, a trained artist, planned to continue to work at his present occupation.

The pattern of drug use in these subjects was remarkably similar. All had used marihuana before using LSD. The men were introduced to marihuana at an average age of 16, the women at 19. The subjects had liked marihuana, found the psychological effects interesting, and four to six months later, often at a time of emotional stress had begun to use LSD(9). The average number of reported ingestions for the group was 65, the most 300, the least 15. The drug was usually taken with friends present, rarely in isolation.

A smattering of other psychotomimetic drugs -- peyote, mescaline, psilocybin, DMT, morning glory seeds, STP, nitrous oxide, and assorted mushrooms -- had been used by most subjects. The experience with these drugs never approached the frequency or the intensity of the LSD use. All had tried amphetamines orally and three of the women had used methamphetamine intravenously for brief periods. At the time of the initial interviews none were using amphetamines, and 19 of the 21 said they had never used them heavily. Barbiturates, alcohol, and narcotics were not used by these subjects.

They were a remarkably homogeneous group in their attitudes and showed only minor variations in their appearance. Their physical condition appeared good. Their dress was casual to sloppy, mod to hippish in nature. Their clothes were clean. Hair styles were of varying length and with various degrees of grooming, but generally clean. Curious, intense, troubled by both internal and social stresses, they spoke openly and intelligently. They were interested, relaxed, and cooperative subjects and the research personnel responded warmly to them.

Several had unusual faces. Their faces looked like those of old men and women. The facial muscle tone looked droopy, washed out, or flattened. The curves or lines of youth seemed absent. Three had unusual gestures or mannerisms. The gestures seemed uncoordinated and poorly timed. Often they were more expansive, "looser," than usual in hand and body speech punctuation. Sometimes the individual seemed to find himself in the midst of a gesture not knowing quite how he got there. Occasionally he seemed to recogni ze what he was doing, then tone it down for awhile only to have it escape again several minutes later.

Four complained about a particular type of memory disturbance. They said they were no longer able to pull out facts when they wanted to. Daily memory for details was difficult for them. They described lapses or blank spots in their stream of associations. Three had difficulty in organizing their thoughts and talking clearly. Each would begin a thought, pause often after a preposition, and begin another incomplete sentence. In this fashion they would wander about a particular point, but were unable to define or clarify issues. In addition to this wandering and pausing, their concepts seemed vague, and their placement and organization of words unusual.
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: Gary Oak on May 20, 2012, 07:43 am
I've also found other substances that spice up daily life in small doses. 2C-E, MXE, MDMA, and a little bit of meditation with Salvia and DMT. Little daily rituals like that, along with a handful of vitamins, have helped me through some tough times. LSD is always my favorite though, and holds a special place in my heart....or my brain? :P
What is MDMA like in low dosages?

It's like everything is better, slightly different if you know what I mean. I prefer it to stimulants as it doesn't feel quite so speedy. I rarely take MDMA because taking it too often worsens my depression as opposed to helping it. But give it a shot some time, more confidence, energy, motivation...why not? :D
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: kmfkewm on May 20, 2012, 07:44 am
and the rest

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Often they spoke of increased sensitivity to colors and to people's gestures and postures. One said the environment was colored by dots of colors, "discrete dots like in the the funny paper strips." Another said that even when he was not on LSD, he was on the verge of experiencing perceptual distortion. He could look at objects or at people and see what ordinary individuals saw. However, if he relaxed his attention or control he could see a face, for example, melting or turning into plastic or oil.

Most spontaneously described a frightening LSD experience. The "built trip" usually began in the context of anger. Under such conditions familiar scenes changed into frightening, weird perceptions. To one individual, angry with an obnoxious friend, victorian buildings became ugly, dirty. and crumbling. Simultaneously she felt someone was going to attack and hurt her.

Another reported that he had ingested the drug in his room while he was angry with his mother. Initially the "trip" had been beautiful, and then it exploded. He became very frightened. He thought he could hear monsters coming up the stairs. He was convinced that they were coming through the door, would surround him and eat him. One subject saw monsters coming at him. One felt she was in he midst of enemy airplanes.

Two of the subjects' attitudes or beliefs stood out because of their intensity and because of their unusual nature, at least in our society. The chronic users themselves attributed their attitudes to their frequent intense LSD experiences. This assertion was supported by our observations in the follow-up interviews --the length of hair, degree of personal grooming, and intensity of belief was directly related to the number of LSD ingestions reported during the intervening six-month period.

All of the subjects were very passive individuals, the men particularly so. All. in one form or another, stressed that anger was very bad and that they were peaceful. Several carefully avoided "stepping on insects." because it showed disrespect for life to do so. This attitude seemed to permeate every aspect of their lives. They did not play competitive games. Each individual was supposed to do his own "thing" and to gain his own inner satisfaction. There was a deemphasis of any form of competition, a denial of any possible pecking order, and a purposeful negation of the possession of materials.

Over half held naive, almost omnipotent beliefs(21 ). One believed that thoughts can set fires miles away. Others believed that one can read another's mind and that inanimate objects such as trees, tables, or books, for example, react to their emotional surroundings. Statements like the following were made frequently: "A cigarette will not go out if people are arguing." "A desk will react any kind of violence in the room."

Many were interested in astrology and cosmology and felt they had the power to be mediums. Such ideas were held as fundamental tenets of their view of the world. For example, one subject who espoused at every opportunity, beliefs in mysticism and cosmology lived on a research ward for six weeks. During one approximately half-hour period of extreme emotional stress occasioned by a quarrel between the subject and a nurse, the subject changed her intellectual statements about cosmology. She said her nurse and attending physician were, in fact, creatures from another planet. No amount of information altered her belief. After the stress was relieved, she returned to making her former intellectual comments regarding the probability of life on other planets and of communication between worlds.

Discussion
We found these chronic LSD users to be surprisingly similar in their backgrounds and to hold in common a number of unusual beliefs. They reported increased sensitivity to stimuli and we found that on a visual evoked response measure they differed from a control group in their sensitivity to and in their organization of stimuli. Some of the EEG findings and some of the behavior seen in the interviews were suggestive of minimal brain damage but the evidence for this remains scattered and inconclusive, particularly in the absence of data from neurological examinations and conventional psychological testing.

We found several abnormal EEG recordings in which the findings were compatible with either drug effects and/or CNS dysfunction, Some of the subjects' behaviors and appearance were suggestive of CNS dysfunction. In one subject who continued to use the drug heavily, there was a deterioration in his performance pattern on the cognitive tests suggestive of organic damage. On the other hand one of our subjects maintained an A average in junior college while ingesting LSD on most weekends.

Also, we found no relationship between the clinical readings of EEG change in two sets of records, summer '67 and spring '68, and reported drug ingestion during the intervening six-month period. Computer analyses of these latter records are not yet completed. Our findings are inconclusive regarding the question whether LSD ingestion produces known forms of CNS damage.

Comparison of the computer analysis of the EEGs of the LSD group, a normal group, and a Navy group disclosed that the LSD group had increased abundance of energy in all four bands as measured by the frequency analyzer. This finding is probably related to the increased amplitudes present in the records of the LSD users and is probably also related to our observation that these subjects seemed more able to relax and ignore the external environment in the test setting than ordinary laboratory subjects. This explanation would fit with Kamiya's( 14) observation that when individuals alter their state of consciousness the amplitudes of their EEG waves change. It would also account for the finding that more fast activity, usually associated with anxiety, was present as measured by the period analyzer in the records of the Navy group. It would seem that we have an electroencephalographic description of a relaxed LSD user and anxious, "up tight" straight patient.

Alternative explanations are possible for these findings. One is that the findings are totally independent of the subjects' chronic use of LSD. This explanation, stated simply, is that they had to be different or unusual in order to repeatedly ingest a powerful unknown substance. It can also be argued that the findings observed in chronic LSD users are merely those present in schizophrenics who have incidentally ingested LSD, since the nature of the beliefs in chronic LSD users and schizophrenics is similar. We have, however, observed important distinctions between the two. The chronic users, unlike schizophrenics, are involved with people and skilled interpersonal- iv. in addition, their values on the two-tone auditory evoked response measure are similar to those of normals rather than schizophrenics. The clinic-,it picture of unusual beliefs, relatively intact interpersonal relationships, and cognitive abilities suggests that these subjects are more similar to individuals usually termed eccentric than to individuals diagnosed as schizophrenic. A third possible explanation of their beliefs is that they reflect the social stress of our time (1).

Speculations

The profound nonaggressive attitudes and magic-mystical beliefs seen among LSD users have been described by others( 2, 11, 20, 22). Our observations suggest that these beliefs may arise as learned consequences of frequent, intense LSD experiences in susceptible individuals. Before ingesting LSD our subjects were passive individuals, angry with their parents and with their own inabilities. Their personality characteristics were similar to the passive, introverted college students studied by McGlothlin( 18). After frequent ingestions they were passive and internally oriented, perhaps more so, and similar in many respects to Ditman's(7) group 1.

Sensory input or sensory modulation is affected in the acute LSD state( 16). The individual experiences an increased awareness of colors, sounds, textures, etc. The stimuli seem brighter, louder, or fluffier. Occasionally, sensory crossing occurs. Sounds, for example, may affect visual images. The jangling of a telephone can turn a quiet, restful patterned image of pink and grey into a visual field of jarring green. Transpositions across various conceptual levels occur more readily. Thoughts may be seen as pictures; feeling or emotions may appear in the visual or cognitive system as artistic or poetic creations.

Emotional coldness may be experienced as images of icebergs or may appear in the thinking processes as metaphors. LSD also alters some of the basic reality-organizing and testing systems of the mind. The sense of time is altered and the individual's awareness of himself as a separate entity from the world around him is affected. At times he can no longer discriminate internal mental events from external events.

Given this altered state of mind, what one experiences depends on one's personality structure and on the type of emotional pressure present. If the emotion is love, one's images would reflect this emotion. The images and sensations might consist of tender scenes from childhood or religious themes. The diffuseness of one's self-boundaries accentuates the experience and one would perceive oneself, as the acid-head would say, as an inseparable part of a universe of love, a "bag of love."

If the emotion is anger or hate, the result would be images and sensations of anger or hate magnified into nightmarish proportions and experienced in an altered state of consciousness in which one is part of a world of blackness populated by horrible, primitive, cannibalistic creatures. One's anger would be turned into images of demons who attack and destroy their creator. As in a dream there would be no clear definition of self from the surroundings -no beginning, no end. The resulting nightmare of one's anger is a "bum trip."

We suggest that these intense cognitive and affectual experiences act as powerful reinforcers, gradually shaping an individual's thinking, beliefs, and behavior. Experiences with affects such as hate and anger are strongly punished. Belief in magic or in one's own omnipotence is increased by the frequent subjective experience of controlling the external world with one's thoughts. A Freedman(8) described, it, such individuals are "confronted with the coexistence of two compelling and contradictory orders of reality - with the interface of belief and the orderly rules of evidence."

Both observations, the extreme passivity or avoidance and denial of aggressive impulses and the increased omnipotence or belief in magical thinking, can be ascribed as arising from an alteration in the ego's critical facilities, in its ability to test reality. These alterations are perhaps reflected in the perceptual changes. Phenomenologically, the components of both superego and id seem to hive been reified or concretized as a result of the intense experiences. The abstract "thou shalt not" of the superego is transformed into attacking monsters or swords. The infantile wishes of the id are transformed into magical powers capable of performing miracles, or moving mountains, or of enveloping everything into one world of love and warmth. Consequently, the resultant personality structures are more child-like, in a descriptive but not a pejorative sense.

If LSD causes the perceptual alterations observed in these subjects and if it also plays a major role in the production of their beliefs concerning aggression and magic, then it follows that the repeated administration of this drug in a medical setting could be a useful agent for some types of individuals. Lorenz(17), in his analysis of intraspecies aggression, argues that derivatives of man's aggressive instinct play a crucial role in the organization of man's social behavior. Aggression provides a motivating force for intimate relationships, a force that, as psychiatrists, we sometimes observe to interfere with social function. Lorenz points out, however, that with the elimination of aggression

. . .the tackling of a task or a problem, the self-respect without which everything that a man does from morning till evening, from the morning shave to the sublimest artistic or scientific creations, would lose all impetus; everything associated with ambition, ranking order, and countless other equally indispensable behavior patterns would probably also disappear from human life.

This sounds remarkably like behaviors the chronic LSD users described, if LSD can alter aggressive derivatives, it would follow that the drug could, depending on dosage, frequency, and type of individual, be used as a powerful therapeutic agent or as an agent to dissolve biological bonds necessary for human social organization.

Summary

We studied 21 subjects, each of whom had ingested LSD an average of 65 times. This group was found to be different from nondrug groups on several EEG measures. Using a computer analysis of their EEGs we found an increased abundance of delta, theta, alpha, and beta activity. Such findings could be related to the presence of the drug within their systems, to central nervous system dysfunction, personality factors, or to the subjects' attitudes during the EEG recording sessions. There was no increase in the expected number of clinically abnormal EEG records in these subjects. When the records were read using usual clinical criteria, several records were judged to be poorly organized and showed increased fast and slow activity of the type that may be related to the effects of drugs but is also frequently found in other individuals in this age group.

EEG evoked potential studies of electrical response to specific stimuli were also done. On a measure which has been found to be sensitive to intellectual disorganization in schizophrenia, the auditory two-tone evoked potential, this group showed no abnormality. They also appeared normal, although perhaps slow, on visual information processing tasks. However, on visual evoked potential procedures they gave evidence of being uniquely sensitive to low intensity stimulation and, in contrast to non-LSD- using groups, there was no relationship between their evoked responses to visual stimuli and their subjective response to the intensity of tactile stimuli. They seemed to modulate and organize sensory input in a different fashion.

In the interviews these LSD users were found to hold unusual beliefs about aggression and magic. Before taking the drug they had been middle- and upper-middle-class youths apparently holding conventional beliefs. Passive, frustrated, angry with their parents and their own life situations, they began to use the drug, often in a conscious attempt to alter their unpleasant emotions. It is not completely clear what role the LSD experience played in their subsequent behavior and beliefs.

We suggest that the repeated intense emotional experiences arising out of the use of LSD provided a special learning environment which may have given rise to their unusual beliefs. We also want to emphasize the personality factors and the social climate in which they lived as well as the taking of drugs. All were important, and untangling the complex effects of the predrug personality, the drug experience itself and the social milieu is a difficult and perhaps impossible task.

 
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: aloutte on May 20, 2012, 08:32 am
Yeah...  microdosing will still build a tolerance...  it's simply how biological chemistry works.  You may not build one as fast, but your body is EXTREMELY sensitive to changes in biochemistry and will attempt to compensate back up or down to a baseline level very quickly.

And while some people are more than capable of dosing every day with no serious side effects, everyone's brain chemistry is different.  If you have an extreme sensitivity to glutamate for example then your body would have adjusted to it by producing less of it...  but introducing a LSD into it could cause a schizoaffective disorder.  And unfortunately once a susceptible individual has had one break, successive ones become much more likely and the possibility of developing legitimate schizophrenia increases sharply.

Simply be careful and respect the drug...  and don't dismiss any negative side-effects as your imagination.
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: bull3gern on June 02, 2012, 07:31 am
Albert Hoffman said that (I'm going mu memory here) to wait at least 2-3 days between trips - apparently you  brain adaps to the lsD Molecule quickly ( a few hours). I tried tripping 2 days in a row & had no effect the second day at all. Such a drag. So give it a few days between trips, it's probably a but different for everybody.
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: psychedelia on June 02, 2012, 07:40 pm
Albert Hoffman said that (I'm going mu memory here) to wait at least 2-3 days between trips - apparently you  brain adaps to the lsD Molecule quickly ( a few hours). I tried tripping 2 days in a row & had no effect the second day at all. Such a drag. So give it a few days between trips, it's probably a but different for everybody.
yes, if you're having a trip, you want to wait 2-3 days, but at 'microdosing' levels, Hoffman himself took LSD three days in a row every week until his death.
Title: Re: How Often Should I do Acid?
Post by: weedsaves on June 03, 2012, 03:12 am
I read on Erowid that one's tolerance to LSD was gone after 3 days without the drug. I experimented with this for a month, taking ~200ug every 3 days while on holiday. Some days I would have close to a full trip, other times my 200ug felt like 50ug. The days in between trips I was a bit irritable, crass and edgy, but nothing worse than a bad hangover from alcohol.

 It was not a controlled experiment due to various sets and settings ranging from bars, ski resorts, concerts, nature walks and sometimes at home alone. I was also drinking alcohol, using codeine and smoking cannabis much of the time.

I now typically wait at least a week, preferably 2 weeks in between trips to let my brain recharge on dopamine and serotonin and not to waste precious LSD on tolerance  :)