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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: HighStandards on August 10, 2013, 04:49 pm
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I was thinking about dabs recently. I rarely dab. I do very much enjoy them. Some Info i have come across in my travels. I hope this is helpfull.
***INFO ABOUT DABS (smoking off of a red hot titanium nail) They can be harsh lol they knock your ass out & take quite the amount of experience to do properly Imo, and a nice glass piece helps alot. Less is more with dabs. Be careful basause you can definitly do a litle heat damage smokeing improperly off something thats between 600 and 1500 degrees, and thats using Butane to heat the nail.
IF YOU USE PROPANE OR EVEN WORSE M.A.P GAS TO HEAT YOUR NAIL >>>>STOP<<<<<USE ONLY BUTANE!!!
The flame from propane burns up to 2500 degrees, map gas is even hotter alot hotter.
I say this because The Titanium in the nail is NOT supposed to be blasted by those tempatures. It will START BREAKING DOWN THE NAIL.
Also propane has many harmful contents, sometimes its harvested from chicken shit!
I forget the exact number titanum is safe to heat up to, but i remember that butane wont get it there.
IF YOUR NAIL IS PITTED AND WHITE- Stop using it, Its not holding heat as long anymore, its breaking down and it could be having some unknown affect. IT IS breaking down. CONGRATS you dab ALOT. But alas, time to replace.
Really Imo, its safer to fork up the extra $$ and get the top of the line nail That looks shiny and of PURE titanium. Alot of metals put off harmful vapors, and the heat involved with dabs will get them there. If your nail is say 10% impure It could be really bad in the long run.
**Remember Dabs have not been around for very long. There are no examples of someone who has taken dabs for 20 years. YOU WANT THE PUREST TITANUIM POSSIBLE. It is very worth it.
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Post you opinons on dabs, as opposed to other ways of smoking extracts. Some of the e-pen vapes are kinda cool.
No substitute for a big ol spliff tho.
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sub'd I plan on leaving some feedback here when I have the time!
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Glass nails are Good, they just break easly, with use, and for noreason.
Id like to get more Dab Do's in here. It would be cool to give a couple tips that were encouraging for dab newb's.
Truthfully the op is a cut from a late night rant i was going to post on my page :) thought it needed to be disarmed and get its own thread.
bump for safe dabs!
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Yes for sure, one other thing is if your nail ever breaks (glass) then don't continue to do dabs as you are likely inhaling the glass!
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smaller is better when it comes to a concentrate rig (up to a point of course). i get much smoother and tastier rips off of my little hitman bub then i do my big-ass toro tube and get much more ripped as well. i think this is confusing to newbies cuz they're used to looking for a piece with maximum water percolation/filtration, which is great for flowers but the exact opposite for an oil rig. it just makes a huge mess, reclaim clogs EVERYTHING easily, and extraneous diffusion just makes this worse so everything just recondensates (not a word) in the tube.
also i use a propane torch and have for a longggg time.. i used to have a couple of butane torches but those things are always so shittily constructed and expensive, it just seems like a waste of time to me. is it bad for my health?? maybe. i do notice that it wears down Ti pretty fast and i have to replace my nail about every 4-6 months to make sure they're still retaining heat well. i also only buy legit nails tho, and the pad on my (heavily-abused) HMK curve never really seems to shit out, even tho i've had it for years.. ymmv, even tho i'm alright the propane thing is something that gets constantly caned on forums, etc., so there's probably some truth to it.
also, just so people know, ethyl mercaptan (which gives butane its smell and is a legally required ingredient in all but n-grade butane) does accumulate in your body over time, and it is not very good for you. there is no way to be sure that you have removed ALL of the EM from your extracts short of a gscm.. this is why a lot of people are really pushing the whole solventless movement, 75u hyper melt and shit.. still, vector's been the standard for ages and it's just regular commercial grade butane, so while there are totally valid arguments against solvent-based extractions, it does seem like most of us are surviving the exposure (for now). vac purging does not remove impurities like EM btw, i do not think even winterization breaks the bond but i might be wrong. anyways, if any of what i've said is bullshit call me on it please, people do have a right to know what goes into their bodies and misinformation is the biggest enemy to personal choice, so i'd always like to be corrected if it means i'm telling more of the truth...
gonna go do me a couple dabs right now OUT
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WOOOOO +1 for EVERYTHING in your post**. I was waiting to see if someone would drop some knowledge.
**(well except the propane. Personally i dont think the content of the fuel your heating is as important as the total tempature - the nail will still be hotter that it should be, while youve allready put out your torch and are inhaling fresh air.)
Hitman is excellent.
The total size of your dab, Smaller is better also, Imo at least. Think of taking one .4 dab. You may fully have oil in your mouth afterwards.
I think that because the nail is so hot, it is not fully burning a rip of that size and you are inhailing really small pieces of oil instead of smoke or vapors.
I dont think the lungs can absorb a piece of oil. I think it has to be smoke or vapor to work through the lungs....maybe wrong on that. Still i get way higher splitting that .4 insane dab into a few smaller ones that fully get vaporized. Probably .05 is the money.
The EM is the first thing that rules out 95% of butane for production.
I personally know that lab tests on HS products with this production method, have come back "Pass" for any unknown chemical residue (that would be EM), "Pass" for any dust or pollen levels, And allways in the high 60s Thc.
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Also Fully red hot nail = close to 1500 degrees when heated with butane. That tempature 'burns' the oil really hot.
If you let it cool for a second till it starts to darken you will be in the 400 - 600 Degree range. That is where you are getting he fullest flavor and actually vaporizing a good portion of the oil.
Also Bump.
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.......still nothing better than stuffing a fat blunt with some good flowers!!
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Smaller pieces are def. better, I've got a Bates x Worm diffy and another really cool TI worm rig, both are like a 1/20th the size of my flower rigs but they're far superior in terms of flavor. I use a Highly educated nail and I reccomend them. The ower really cares about his customers.
As for heating; I usually let the nail get to the point right before it starts to turn red, then I put on the dome and give it 2-3 secconds before taking a hit. Dailing in the temp to the right level will impove the flavor. That was the great thing about the E-nail, which is an electronically controlled nail that you can tune with a temp controller to a specific temp. (dabvenue is a similar option)
Get a Ti dabber also, the stainless steal dental picks are OK, but long term they could be off gassing chemicals from the high heat.
I have not a very positive experince from the Pens honestly, and I've tried the 510 builds, the persi and the o-phos--for me smoking on the rig is just better.
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My personal rig is the new stax series from grav labs. it's a perc 5 piece detachable Bong you can dab in!
It's the one in the middle + the matching bubbler + the dab attachment that comes with a recycle jar.
http://www.airgravitron.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/stax_preview.jpg
So dope, BONG HIT DABS FTW.
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Smaller pieces are def. better, I've got a Bates x Worm diffy and another really cool TI worm rig, both are like a 1/20th the size of my flower rigs but they're far superior in terms of flavor. I use a Highly educated nail and I reccomend them. The ower really cares about his customers.
As for heating; I usually let the nail get to the point right before it starts to turn red, then I put on the dome and give it 2-3 secconds before taking a hit. Dailing in the temp to the right level will impove the flavor. That was the great thing about the E-nail, which is an electronically controlled nail that you can tune with a temp controller to a specific temp. (dabvenue is a similar option)
Get a Ti dabber also, the stainless steal dental picks are OK, but long term they could be off gassing chemicals from the high heat.
I have not a very positive experince from the Pens honestly, and I've tried the 510 builds, the persi and the o-phos--for me smoking on the rig is just better.
gotta agree on the pens, i've tried multiple ones and yes they work and they are convenient but ALL OF THEM taste like plastic to me, it grosses me the fuck out
and i usually heat my nail til it just starts to glow, then i back off it and grab my dabber, get a dab and go in.. by this point its probably been normal-colored for like 7-8 seconds, at least, and unless i'm trying to do a monster glob or something it usually vaporizes everything.. i notice if i'm doing a really fat dab that i cough much less if i superheat it though, i still don't ever hit it when it's red-hot but i let the whole nail get glowing and then let it cool down for a min til it looks normal.. i guess it's probably not a whole lot hotter, just a more even distribution of heat?? dunno.. but yeah, flavor retention is critical, it's gonna taste like ass if you burn it instead of vaporize it, much like weed itself..
My personal rig is the new stax series from grav labs. it's a perc 5 piece detachable Bong you can dab in!
It's the one in the middle + the matching bubbler + the dab attachment that comes with a recycle jar.
http://www.airgravitron.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/stax_preview.jpg
So dope, BONG HIT DABS FTW.
grav labs are good ppl they are always making awesome new shit, i've had a gravitron for YEARS and if i break it out for a sunday morning it still whoops my ass every time.. tbh i think i've had it for longer than any other piece i own now.. wow.. does ur tube claim up really bad??? that'd be my main worry with something that large..
also, something everyone should remember: don't be an asshole and overdab inexperienced ppl.. yes it's funny of course and it's not gonna hurt them but i have seen a lot of ppl get sick/freaked out cuz they took a whopper and didn't know the score, and it's not fun to be "too high" anyways (or be around someone who is lol). while i may be able to handle burning through a gram in the course of a movie or whatever, i think that would be fairly unpleasant for a lot of ppl..
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Smaller pieces are def. better, I've got a Bates x Worm diffy and another really cool TI worm rig, both are like a 1/20th the size of my flower rigs but they're far superior in terms of flavor. I use a Highly educated nail and I reccomend them. The ower really cares about his customers.
As for heating; I usually let the nail get to the point right before it starts to turn red, then I put on the dome and give it 2-3 secconds before taking a hit. Dailing in the temp to the right level will impove the flavor. That was the great thing about the E-nail, which is an electronically controlled nail that you can tune with a temp controller to a specific temp. (dabvenue is a similar option)
Get a Ti dabber also, the stainless steal dental picks are OK, but long term they could be off gassing chemicals from the high heat.
I have not a very positive experince from the Pens honestly, and I've tried the 510 builds, the persi and the o-phos--for me smoking on the rig is just better.
gotta agree on the pens, i've tried multiple ones and yes they work and they are convenient but ALL OF THEM taste like plastic to me, it grosses me the fuck out
and i usually heat my nail til it just starts to glow, then i back off it and grab my dabber, get a dab and go in.. by this point its probably been normal-colored for like 7-8 seconds, at least, and unless i'm trying to do a monster glob or something it usually vaporizes everything.. i notice if i'm doing a really fat dab that i cough much less if i superheat it though, i still don't ever hit it when it's red-hot but i let the whole nail get glowing and then let it cool down for a min til it looks normal.. i guess it's probably not a whole lot hotter, just a more even distribution of heat?? dunno.. but yeah, flavor retention is critical, it's gonna taste like ass if you burn it instead of vaporize it, much like weed itself..
My personal rig is the new stax series from grav labs. it's a perc 5 piece detachable Bong you can dab in!
It's the one in the middle + the matching bubbler + the dab attachment that comes with a recycle jar.
http://www.airgravitron.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/stax_preview.jpg
So dope, BONG HIT DABS FTW.
grav labs are good ppl they are always making awesome new shit, i've had a gravitron for YEARS and if i break it out for a sunday morning it still whoops my ass every time.. tbh i think i've had it for longer than any other piece i own now.. wow.. does ur tube claim up really bad??? that'd be my main worry with something that large..
also, something everyone should remember: don't be an asshole and overdab inexperienced ppl.. yes it's funny of course and it's not gonna hurt them but i have seen a lot of ppl get sick/freaked out cuz they took a whopper and didn't know the score, and it's not fun to be "too high" anyways (or be around someone who is lol). while i may be able to handle burning through a gram in the course of a movie or whatever, i think that would be fairly unpleasant for a lot of ppl..
+1 my friend about everything!
My piece detaches into like 4 different main pieces, the top piece (mouthpiece/helix) the perc (showerhead), the base beaker, the bubbler, then the dab attachment, It's super easy to clean, snap it all apart, Epsom salt & alcohol & shake. Cleans up like new every fucking time.
It is super sturdy for being able to come apart like that & the glass is THICK.
I would recommend. Bong rips are so clean with herb as well.
Another cool thing about it is it's easy
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smaller is better when it comes to a concentrate rig (up to a point of course). i get much smoother and tastier rips off of my little hitman bub then i do my big-ass toro tube and get much more ripped as well. i think this is confusing to newbies cuz they're used to looking for a piece with maximum water percolation/filtration, which is great for flowers but the exact opposite for an oil rig. it just makes a huge mess, reclaim clogs EVERYTHING easily, and extraneous diffusion just makes this worse so everything just recondensates (not a word) in the tube.
also i use a propane torch and have for a longggg time.. i used to have a couple of butane torches but those things are always so shittily constructed and expensive, it just seems like a waste of time to me. is it bad for my health?? maybe. i do notice that it wears down Ti pretty fast and i have to replace my nail about every 4-6 months to make sure they're still retaining heat well. i also only buy legit nails tho, and the pad on my (heavily-abused) HMK curve never really seems to shit out, even tho i've had it for years.. ymmv, even tho i'm alright the propane thing is something that gets constantly caned on forums, etc., so there's probably some truth to it.
also, just so people know, ethyl mercaptan (which gives butane its smell and is a legally required ingredient in all but n-grade butane) does accumulate in your body over time, and it is not very good for you. there is no way to be sure that you have removed ALL of the EM from your extracts short of a gscm.. this is why a lot of people are really pushing the whole solventless movement, 75u hyper melt and shit.. still, vector's been the standard for ages and it's just regular commercial grade butane, so while there are totally valid arguments against solvent-based extractions, it does seem like most of us are surviving the exposure (for now). vac purging does not remove impurities like EM btw, i do not think even winterization breaks the bond but i might be wrong. anyways, if any of what i've said is bullshit call me on it please, people do have a right to know what goes into their bodies and misinformation is the biggest enemy to personal choice, so i'd always like to be corrected if it means i'm telling more of the truth...
gonna go do me a couple dabs right now OUT
In total agreement about the smaller rigs. When using extracts, you really need very little filtration because there really isn't much to filter out, since the plant matter is pretty much gone...the bigger percs really just filter out flavor IME. If it's a properly made solvent extract that is.
And YAY for a thread on safe extracts (DABS!) Here are my long winded thoughts on the matter. I hope some will find this info helpful...it has taken me quite some time to compile it even for myself...
One thing I'd like to mention is the canned butane, the ethyl mercaptans and other possible additives:
1st off, almost all canned butane is actually a mix of Butane, Iso-butane and propane. Sometimes hearing this puts people off, but its this mix off hydrocarbon solvents actually make for the best extract. People even using industrial extract setups are using similar solvent mixes even with access to pure n-butane. This mix of gasses pulls out most of what we want (THC, CBD's and terpenes) and hardly any of what we don't want (plant matter). If you are buying any sort of refined commercially available canned butane that is used for widely for extractions,( ie brands vector, power, and now the industry standard Newport), THEY DO NOT CONTAIN ANY ETHYL MERCAPTANS. Ethyl mercaptan is added as an odorant for leak protection for some applications, but it is not added to the lighter butanes typically used for extraction. We know this because of lab testing, and the MSDS list the companies are required to have. Also, Ethyl mercaptan tastes and smells like fucking rotten eggs, and is detectable to scent and smell down to the 2.8 parts per billionth, it is said to be more than a 1000 times as stinky as gasoline which tastes and smells at a sensory threshold of around 130 parts per millionth. That is why its used as a leak detection in some applications, because it righteously raunchy, and easy to detect by scent.
Any reputable brand of canned butane is required by (US) law to provide a MSDS sheet which tells the blends of hydrocarbon solvents used and any other ingredients, and the exposure limits associated with those solvents, established by National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH). Butane is used as a propellant in some hairspray and in cooking sprays like Pam. It is widely used in industries such as pharmaceutical, health and beauty, cooking...Butane gas is non-toxic and can't even really hurt you unless you are literally INHALING enough to displace oxygen!
I've heard it said that more butane is inhaled when lighting a bowl or a cigarette than is in even a gram of poorly made BHO. I don't know about the validity of that claim, but the point is its pretty obvious people are inhaling butane when they light a bowl with a lighter...
The flowers themselves, the extracts, and even the brands of canned butane are being tested by labs with HPLC and GCMS machines such as SC and Cannlabs and EM is not showing up from what I've seen, even when they analyze just the contents of canned butane. What is showing up is some of the shady things that go into actually growing cannabis such as pesticides, feed and flora sprays that shouldn't be used at all. Commercial growers will sometimes do crazy things to a garden to increase yield or save a garden from incests, mold, fungus etc. So these things could potentially be concentrated in an extract as well. So I feel this brings to light something that even flower smokers need to understand and take to heart. Make every effort to know your flowers are grown safely with no nasty whatevers. And make every effort to know your extracts are made from people that understand just what the hell they are doing. Just because you're smoking flowers and not BHO doesn't mean you aren't consuming nasties.
I'm saying all this to put some perspective on the solvents and materials used. But that's not to say I for a minute think anyone should be cavalier about their extracts, and the fact these solvents are used should be widely known. Making BHO properly isn't as easy as some may say. Even though the solvents used have hardly any toxicity to humans esp at the levels we are talking, they should still be "purged" and every effort should be made to get them out of the extract prior to consumption. This is where a refined teq comes in, with proper equipment and the skill and knowledge to use it properly. Some, unfortunately only understand the "how" but not the "why" part about making extracts.
Cheers
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Loving the posts.
@ gordo- Really like your info on EM, Because i have lacked the time and mindset to do a excellent writeup like that. Gotta love the MSDS.
laptop dying gtg. thanks all!
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Very glad to see this thread.
I have zero exposure to dabs, and have been very interested in giving the whole thing a go.
My issue really is finding something stealthy that I can use quickly, and stash away so that other people in my house don't catch wind of what I am doing haha. I have looked at several pens here on the Road since I really don't see myself being able to get away with using some glassware and a nail etc.
So the pens do work then? Is a pen a good choice in my situation, or should I just skip dabbing since it won't be the optimal? Any pen recommendations that I can pick up on SR?
Thanks in advance for the replies for sure!
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Very glad to see this thread.
I have zero exposure to dabs, and have been very interested in giving the whole thing a go.
My issue really is finding something stealthy that I can use quickly, and stash away so that other people in my house don't catch wind of what I am doing haha. I have looked at several pens here on the Road since I really don't see myself being able to get away with using some glassware and a nail etc.
So the pens do work then? Is a pen a good choice in my situation, or should I just skip dabbing since it won't be the optimal? Any pen recommendations that I can pick up on SR?
Thanks in advance for the replies for sure!
I highly suggest the cloud pen or any of the similar model pens. They work great for any style oils and mine has gone strong for more than a few months! If you ever want to get into the dabs feel free to stop by my page, I have some great stuff right now that works great for pens.
-H4D
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smaller is better when it comes to a concentrate rig (up to a point of course). i get much smoother and tastier rips off of my little hitman bub then i do my big-ass toro tube and get much more ripped as well. i think this is confusing to newbies cuz they're used to looking for a piece with maximum water percolation/filtration, which is great for flowers but the exact opposite for an oil rig. it just makes a huge mess, reclaim clogs EVERYTHING easily, and extraneous diffusion just makes this worse so everything just recondensates (not a word) in the tube.
also i use a propane torch and have for a longggg time.. i used to have a couple of butane torches but those things are always so shittily constructed and expensive, it just seems like a waste of time to me. is it bad for my health?? maybe. i do notice that it wears down Ti pretty fast and i have to replace my nail about every 4-6 months to make sure they're still retaining heat well. i also only buy legit nails tho, and the pad on my (heavily-abused) HMK curve never really seems to shit out, even tho i've had it for years.. ymmv, even tho i'm alright the propane thing is something that gets constantly caned on forums, etc., so there's probably some truth to it.
also, just so people know, ethyl mercaptan (which gives butane its smell and is a legally required ingredient in all but n-grade butane) does accumulate in your body over time, and it is not very good for you. there is no way to be sure that you have removed ALL of the EM from your extracts short of a gscm.. this is why a lot of people are really pushing the whole solventless movement, 75u hyper melt and shit.. still, vector's been the standard for ages and it's just regular commercial grade butane, so while there are totally valid arguments against solvent-based extractions, it does seem like most of us are surviving the exposure (for now). vac purging does not remove impurities like EM btw, i do not think even winterization breaks the bond but i might be wrong. anyways, if any of what i've said is bullshit call me on it please, people do have a right to know what goes into their bodies and misinformation is the biggest enemy to personal choice, so i'd always like to be corrected if it means i'm telling more of the truth...
gonna go do me a couple dabs right now OUT
In total agreement about the smaller rigs. When using extracts, you really need very little filtration because there really isn't much to filter out, since the plant matter is pretty much gone...the bigger percs really just filter out flavor IME. If it's a properly made solvent extract that is.
And YAY for a thread on safe extracts (DABS!) Here are my long winded thoughts on the matter. I hope some will find this info helpful...it has taken me quite some time to compile it even for myself...
One thing I'd like to mention is the canned butane, the ethyl mercaptans and other possible additives:
1st off, almost all canned butane is actually a mix of Butane, Iso-butane and propane. Sometimes hearing this puts people off, but its this mix off hydrocarbon solvents actually make for the best extract. People even using industrial extract setups are using similar solvent mixes even with access to pure n-butane. This mix of gasses pulls out most of what we want (THC, CBD's and terpenes) and hardly any of what we don't want (plant matter). If you are buying any sort of refined commercially available canned butane that is used for widely for extractions,( ie brands vector, power, and now the industry standard Newport), THEY DO NOT CONTAIN ANY ETHYL MERCAPTANS. Ethyl mercaptan is added as an odorant for leak protection for some applications, but it is not added to the lighter butanes typically used for extraction. We know this because of lab testing, and the MSDS list the companies are required to have. Also, Ethyl mercaptan tastes and smells like fucking rotten eggs, and is detectable to scent and smell down to the 2.8 parts per billionth, it is said to be more than a 1000 times as stinky as gasoline which tastes and smells at a sensory threshold of around 130 parts per millionth. That is why its used as a leak detection in some applications, because it righteously raunchy, and easy to detect by scent.
Any reputable brand of canned butane is required by (US) law to provide a MSDS sheet which tells the blends of hydrocarbon solvents used and any other ingredients, and the exposure limits associated with those solvents, established by National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH). Butane is used as a propellant in some hairspray and in cooking sprays like Pam. It is widely used in industries such as pharmaceutical, health and beauty, cooking...Butane gas is non-toxic and can't even really hurt you unless you are literally INHALING enough to displace oxygen!
I've heard it said that more butane is inhaled when lighting a bowl or a cigarette than is in even a gram of poorly made BHO. I don't know about the validity of that claim, but the point is its pretty obvious people are inhaling butane when they light a bowl with a lighter...
The flowers themselves, the extracts, and even the brands of canned butane are being tested by labs with HPLC and GCMS machines such as SC and Cannlabs and EM is not showing up from what I've seen, even when they analyze just the contents of canned butane. What is showing up is some of the shady things that go into actually growing cannabis such as pesticides, feed and flora sprays that shouldn't be used at all. Commercial growers will sometimes do crazy things to a garden to increase yield or save a garden from incests, mold, fungus etc. So these things could potentially be concentrated in an extract as well. So I feel this brings to light something that even flower smokers need to understand and take to heart. Make every effort to know your flowers are grown safely with no nasty whatevers. And make every effort to know your extracts are made from people that understand just what the hell they are doing. Just because you're smoking flowers and not BHO doesn't mean you aren't consuming nasties.
I'm saying all this to put some perspective on the solvents and materials used. But that's not to say I for a minute think anyone should be cavalier about their extracts, and the fact these solvents are used should be widely known. Making BHO properly isn't as easy as some may say. Even though the solvents used have hardly any toxicity to humans esp at the levels we are talking, they should still be "purged" and every effort should be made to get them out of the extract prior to consumption. This is where a refined teq comes in, with proper equipment and the skill and knowledge to use it properly. Some, unfortunately only understand the "how" but not the "why" part about making extracts.
Cheers
thanks so much for this info!! love the facts, +1 for some real insight
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Pens- Imo, stay away from pens that use a wick, most oil isnt viscus enough to work with out overheating the cartridge.
Check out the "vape or smoke" it is a butane powered vape....thing. the little oil insert thing works well and can be very similar to a dab. Works SO great with fullmelt hash.
There was a pen, that you unscrewed the top and there was a spring that pushed your hash down onto a ceramic heating pad when you closed it back up. that pen worked real well for most BHO's.
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Without getting into the specifics, I do want to point out that there are indeed high grade desktop vaporizers that have accessories (which typically need to be purchased separately) for vaporizing any type of concentrate (shatter, wax, oil, whatever). These desktop vaporizers provide the highest quality taste/flavor, for both dabs and the herb itself, and they certainly do not have the plastic taste that are common amongst the portable concentrate vaporizers, such as most of the pen vaporizers.
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I have a volcano and I still don't really care for vaping wax out of it. Seems less effective. I have the mesh pad and everything, but I feel like I get way higher on the rig and get more out of it. I still top the volcano bowl with some wax, and that works fine.
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I have a volcano and I still don't really care for vaping wax out of it. Seems less effective. I have the mesh pad and everything, but I feel like I get way higher on the rig and get more out of it. I still top the volcano bowl with some wax, and that works fine.
This x10000 lol... I have the same situation!
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Had my first dab a few weeks ago, on SimplyTheBest's RSO. Not sure how much I dabbed, but I got into the strangest coughing storm ever.
Started of like normal "weed barking" but ended up with my lounges going into labour, having the strongest contractions. Maybe not the most brutal coughing, but a very strange kind of coughing, and my spit turned slightly yellow-ish(?maybe?). Felt like the dab was covering the inside of my lounges with film of oil.......?
I guess this is not normal with dabs? Solvents or user error?
Ouch- Id probably say you took too big a dab, that can be nasty. Probably were using a rig with more than ideal amounts of water, and maybe a big diffused down stem?
It is hard to say, but id bet there was some crap you wouldnt want in your oil, in your oil- like maybe alot of dust? or a speck of something. Also what is RSO?
Butane it is not a solvent unless it is in a liquid form - but that does not mean you want to be smokeing it or any residues from cheap ass butane.
For what its worth- Most of the people that make hash oil are Idiots/ teenagers with a pvc tube and some leaves. I mean look at the forums out there, people are making oil in soda bottles...
(Pvc stands for poly vinyl coating(?) i think, thats off the top of my head, a solvent - i.e butane - will strip a coating right off into your oil..)
I wont smoke 95%+ of Oil's put in front of me, it is allmost allways swill.
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Had my first dab a few weeks ago, on SimplyTheBest's RSO. Not sure how much I dabbed, but I got into the strangest coughing storm ever.
Started of like normal "weed barking" but ended up with my lounges going into labour, having the strongest contractions. Maybe not the most brutal coughing, but a very strange kind of coughing, and my spit turned slightly yellow-ish(?maybe?). Felt like the dab was covering the inside of my lounges with film of oil.......?
I guess this is not normal with dabs? Solvents or user error?
Ouch- Id probably say you took too big a dab, that can be nasty. Probably were using a rig with more than ideal amounts of water, and maybe a big diffused down stem?
It is hard to say, but id bet there was some crap you wouldnt want in your oil, in your oil- like maybe alot of dust? or a speck of something. Also what is RSO?
Butane it is not a solvent unless it is in a liquid form - but that does not mean you want to be smokeing it or any residues from cheap ass butane.
For what its worth- Most of the people that make hash oil are Idiots/ teenagers with a pvc tube and some leaves. I mean look at the forums out there, people are making oil in soda bottles...
(Pvc stands for poly vinyl coating(?) i think, thats off the top of my head, a solvent - i.e butane - will strip a coating right off into your oil..)
I wont smoke 95%+ of Oil's put in front of me, it is allmost allways swill.
I know this is a late reply, but hey~
I'd say to the person who dabbed RSO, that was the problem! RSO (Rick Simpson Oil) is mostly used for oral ingestion, and while I've heard of it being smoked, to take a "dab" of this wouldn't be very pleasureful at all imo.
Sometimes a good dab from quality extracts give you that "lung expansion" effect. When the vapor hits your lungs, it expands...giving you that lung locked feeling. It isn't a feeling of pain or irritation so much is a FUCKING GREAT HIT!!! There is a minute or two after a dab where you are like sooooo high that you sweat, close your eyes....ahhhhhh. Some people cough like crazy, but the extracts I've access to don't do that. They give me a very fulfilling hit, but don't burn my throat or lungs.
If it's made from really shitty material, like old trim or leaves, it will have more plant matter (waxes, fats and lipids) that will be very harsh, nasty...not tasty. See most BHO has potency, but most BHO that's being pushed doesn't have potency, taste, smoothness etc...Potency isn't everything. I want my extracts to taste like the flowers they came from and be a pleasure to consume. Getting obliteratedly stoned isn't everything...but its a lot!
Also for you 1st timers: TAKE A SMALL DAB! Don't be a hero~Doesn't matter how long you've been smoking cannabis. You can get uncomfortably high from dabs, quite easily. Make it as small as possible, then 1/2 it=)
Don't get the nail too hot! As soon as you see a phase change (start to tun red), your good. You don't need a glowing red hot TI nail for a dab. In fact, your probably crossing the ling from vaporizing to combustion when you heat the nail too hot.
And there is nothing that comes even close to a good dab rig. The pens are ok for stealth and on the go~but pretty much always let me down eventually. But the best extract pen I've used is the Micro Vape with Glass Globe Attachment Kit. Works for fullmelts too.
All the solvent concentrates I've got on SR have been very subpar. =/ Like HighStanards said, I wouldn't touch most of what I've seen and most people aren't using the right teq's or don't know how to use their equipment properly. But the dab/concentrate scene is really growing...
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Also propane has many harmful contents, sometimes its harvested from chicken shit!
ROTFL, HUH? First time i've heard that one.
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Rso is the cure for cancer. Absolutely amazing what it does. Fixes almost all "in curable " diseases. Funny that I found out about this on an illegal drug website while searching for BHO. Like you can literally buy the cure for cancer on here. Think about it for a minute...
Www.phoenixtears.ca is the main website for the oil and you can buy his book explaining how to make it and what it does. Sooooooo many people on their Facebook page with terrible heart wrenching stories of how it saves their lives or a family members. The worst ones are the people that Need the oil and have no way to get it. Too bad they don't know about Silk Road, I sure as fuck ain't telling them though. They do say it can be vaped, as well as eaten and used in suppositories. Rick Simpson deserves a Nobel prize. Thanks for listening.
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I've read a little about RSO, but I have a hard time believeing that it can cure cancer. I feel like this is some of the hype the legalize community has used to gain more support, but I could be wrong. I personally don't care how they get it legalized, as long as they do lol.
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Can someone explain to my friends why it's important to replace the nail after so long. They think it's a waste.
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The TL;DR verson would be first and formost is because of the reduction in heat retention from extended use. It's also important because the heat will eventually cause the Ti to break down and oxidize, releasing agruably harmful off-gassing. I think replacing every 6-8 mo. depending on the ammount of use is sufficient. Taskrok (owner of HE) has a blog and I believe he goes into greater detail on the reasons.
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I recently had my very first dab. I hadn't smoked weed in about 2 weeks so my tolerance was a little lower than normal.
Wow. I was stoned as FUCK to the point that I was practically tripping for about 5 hours. On the drive home I was talking to myself, complete gibberish, also dealt with some paranoia. It got me higher than most bong rips...
Even 8 hours after smoking it I still felt extremely high. I don't think I really felt normal again until the next day actually.
I kind of want some more lol. Anyone have a vendor recommendation for some awesome hash oil? :)
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I have a listing for 1 Dab if any n00bs would like to try dabs
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Lol.