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Title: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: RaFaeL5 on December 06, 2012, 01:53 pm
Hi,

Yes, this account on SR is pretty NEW, but "I know my shit" and I intend to be continuously looking for the best C-vendor that can be found on SR. On this forumpage me & my friends will be sharing and updating our experiences with you, step by step (P-P-C)... READ OUR UPDATES IN THIS POST (each time I adapt this original text, I don't add as replies on this page)!
Before ordering we had a look at this forumpage about scams: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=3520.0   - just to be shure that we wouldn't be ordering from scammers... I strongly recommend everyone to have a look at this list now and a while!

We'll be waiting for all the orders to arrive and then we'll compare them (my GF, myself and some friends). If you guys have "very trusted and very good sellers" that you would absolutely recommend, don't hesitate to let us know and we'll try to add them to our "test group"! :)

Vendors with whom we've had contact so far are: FrankMatthews, Koltbiz, Charlieandmollie, c63amg, bungee54, Sullyy, Uglydoll, Sukey, Amsterdope, BOSS, SuperTrips, Mercury31, Dope Distributor, Ruthenium, LUPEN, Cokeking, Crystalking, NewAmsterdam and La Fuente, MAP, Afterhours, Dagobert, abzu ...

OUR TEST will discuss the following topics: P - P - C & Co.:
P from Packaging: how inventive was it (on 10 points) and how good was it (10 pts)
P from Product: how was the first visual impression (10 pts) and the first smell of it (10 pts), then how was the first taste of it (10 pts) and how was the general impression of the product after +/- 2 hours (10 pts)
C from Customer service: how quick did the seller respond (10 pts) and how constructive was the answer (10 pts).
&Co. from the "general look of the seller's page on SR" (10 pts) and the attitude towards a new SR visitor (10 pts).
Adding all this together we'll get a detailed **/100 score for each seller that we try out!
(Vendors can be "disqualified" if their product doesn't reach us safely, if it's underweight or if they refuse to send 0.5g or less for customers to try out their product. Also, we choose not to discuss the delivery time because we think that in most cases this depends mainly of the postal services and in a lesser degree from the vendor - but all the packages have to be here by a certain date that we communicated to the vendors, otherwise that vendor will also be disqualified.)

Some people reacted on this forum (or by PM) praising their vendor and suggesting us to contact them and we thank those readers for that...but after a while it seemed more fair to us to contact all the European C-vendors that we could find on SR. And so we did! We sent a message to 34 suppliers. You can read down here whom of them reacted. That doesn't mean that we'll be trying the stuff that each of them is offering (at least not in this first period of testing), because we just don't have that budget at the moment... but at least we can tell you who reacted quickly and in a constructive manner.
We will not mention sellers who didn't react to our message, neither will we give a bad review on sellers that choose not to participate in this project - the fact that we don't mention them should be enough. 
 

READ OUR EXPERIENCES HERE:

FRANKMATTHEWS:
- Our first order @Frank was placed about 24h ago. No reaction 'till now. We're waiting for a change in order status or a message from the seller, but we can already say that we liked the option to work with "privnote" because that makes it a lot easier to communicate.
 - We just got a message on SR from Frank asking us to finalize early so he could ship (this message was received about 30 hours after placing the order). We did FE and we're now waiting for... well, you know what.

KOLTBIZ:
- We've had some contact with this seller in the past and we do have to say: he normally responded very quickly!!!
- normally he doesn't sell 0.5g (which is what we are looking to buy). So we just sent him a message asking him to do such for this "research". We'll see what his answer is... in the meanwhile I can already tell you that Koltbiz does work with privnote.
- more then 48h have past since we sent him our questions...still no reaction
- for some reason Koltbiz hasn't been answering our message for 3 days now. We are not going to wait any longer for his reaction...

CHARLIEANDMOLLIE:
- Beginning of December (2012) they have a special discount for customers that are willing to FE (see his/her thread: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=91725.msg645169#msg645169  )... so we tried it with FE, but C&M didn't say anything about GPG or Privnote, so we tried to order with a privnote message - let's see what this seller does.
- after 48h still no reaction from C&M about the privnote, we'll contact him again in a few minutes...
- OK, so we contacted him again with an encrypted message and now we are having a very quick response. Not only is it a quick response, but it's becoming a  nice and constructive dialogue. The guy is even giving us his idea about how to perform and even improve our test...nice!

C63AMG:
- we've send a message to this seller a few hours ago, but 'till now we've had no reply...
- more than 24h without reaction / more than 48h without reaction
- I guess c63amg doesn't work with anything else than PGP... I'll be trying to send him an encrypted message pronto.
- So we tried with PGP and the reaction was almost instant. We had a few problems with our account on SR (a wrong preference in our browser blocked us from ordering) but that has been solved and we're about to complete our order @c63amg.
- at last: our browser problems were solved and we were able to place our order @c63amg
- after a few hours we got a message back from c63amg asking us to FE so that he could ship asap, so that has been done.

BUNGEE54:
- we just sent him a message 2 hours ago and we already had an answer. This is clearly a serious seller who wants a good business... if his product is good this seller will definitely be one to remember! We'll keep you posted about further evolutions!
- Bungee54 clearly doesn't like the privnote- website, he doesn't open such pages saying that doing such is a security risk for him - this could be the case, I don't know enough about those matters to have an opinion. If this seller doesn't want privnote then we'll work with PGP...

SULLYY:
- we had contact with this seller, but for this "project" his packages of 28grams are a little bit too bigg (and thus expensive)... I do have to say that he replied very quickly and that he had the funniest answers I've received so far...

UGLYDOLL:
- very quick reply to our messages (within 30minutes), quick and effective. Great, easy transaction!
- he accepts privnote
- very quick handling and shipping
- Like Bungee54: if this seller has a good product he'll clearly be "one to remember"!

SUKEY:
- also very quick response from this vendor. We might be able to include him in the test, but this is not shure yet... as soon as I know something I'll update it here!
- Sukey just lett us know that they choose not to participate, at least not immediately... "sad but true"

AMSTERDOPE:
- a very quick and constructive answer, friendly and to-the-point
- he's decided to join the "test", so we'll be looking forward for his package
- Like Bungee54 and Uglydoll: if this seller has a good product he'll clearly be "one to remember"!

DOPE DISTRIBUTOR:
- a very quick answer
- for a specific reason (that only applies to our specific situation) this vendor cannot ship to us within the time delay for the "main test" but his product should reach us soon after, so we'll add him to the test results later on

RUTHENIUM:
- a very quick and to-the-point answer

BOSS:
- he replied very quickly to our message (within a few hours), but by accident we deleted it before reading; so I hope he'll send his message again soon...
- second answer came within 24h, to-the-point

COKEKING:
- very quick reply to our message, to-the-point

SUPERTRIPS:
- we received a quick answer saying "message is being forwarded to Supertrips"... I wander who sent me this answer, but clearly Supertrip is not monitoring his messages himself.
- after having our message processed by "SuperTrips Support" and forwarded to ST himself, we got an asnwer saying they'd love to join the test also!

MERCURY31:
- he sent us a quick reply asking us in what country we lived... I'm not shure what this means, but I'm curious about his next message.
- a second message from this vendor was asking us how many different products we would be testing. Aagain, we answered his question and are now waiting for his reaction.
- the third message from this vendor arrived pretty soon, it's friendly and constructive. Like Bungee54, Uglydoll and Amsterdope: if this seller has a good product he'll clearly be "one to remember"!

CRYSTALKING:
- again a quick, friendly and professional answer.
- this seller also accepts privnote messages
- Like Bungee54, Uglydoll, Amsterdope and Mercury31: if this seller has a good product he'll clearly be "one to remember"!

LUPEN:
- we got a quick reply from this vendor asking us what we were looking for. The answer was sent and we're waiting for his reaction.
- this seller doesn't work with PGP (for now), so we tried privnote.

NEWAMSTERDA:
- reply within 48h, to-the-point

LA FUENTE:
- reply within 48h, asking us for our PGP key...maybe the most "professional" reply we've had so far... I'm curious about what he'll send us in his  next (encrypted) message. For "newbies" on SR it might be a bit tricky to use PGP straight away, but then again maybe it's worthwile to start learning the encryption system immediately (from your first order on). 
- La Fuente just declined our offer and will not join this test.

MAP:
- reply after 48h (but that's because this seller doesn't check his mail during weekends and we sent our message to him in the weekend), we've answered his questions and are waiting for his next message. 
- we had a look at his Public Key and we have to say that's it's an awfully short one, also it's on an email-name that is different from the vendors name on SR (sometimes this can be confusing)

AFTERHOURS:
- reply after 48h (same reason as MAP)
- for now he declined the offer to participate in this little experiment, but he might join us later on in the next year...

DAGOBERT:
- reply after 48h (same reason as MAP) asking us more details, we've sent the requested information and are now waiting for his reply

ABZU:
- reply after 48h (same reason as MAP)
- in a friendly way he declined participating in this test, explaining that unsatisfied customer allready posted their experience on this forum and thus he didn't see the interest of having another "test" of his product. We clearly disagree with him on this point and think that it can only be good for serious sellers to have their package/product/service tested; especially in a test like ours where so many -european- sellers are being compared...but hey, "an opinion is like an ass, everyone has one" :-)







We'll constantly be looking for other "serious" sellers to add to our "test". If you have recommendations, don't hesitate to post it!
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Later on and bit by bit we intend to try out every "serious" vendor of C on SR... and meanwhile we'll keep you updated about our experiences with them and their products :)
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: John-Cockblast on December 06, 2012, 04:16 pm
Hey buddy, it's cool what you are doing, but if you wait too long between the orders the vendors are going to have switched their batches when you are finished :)
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: Mynizzle on December 07, 2012, 10:10 am
I can recommend trying some of Bungee54's. The first batch I had from him was crap (but he made up for that in a good manner), but the Peruvian stuff he now offers is great. His customer service is top-notch too. Check out his forum thread for similar opinions.
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: h1n1z2 on December 08, 2012, 03:30 pm
Try out Afterhours and Supertrips
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: Mynizzle on December 08, 2012, 04:54 pm
I can recommend trying some of Bungee54's. The first batch I had from him was crap (but he made up for that in a good manner), but the Peruvian stuff he now offers is great. His customer service is top-notch too. Check out his forum thread for similar opinions.

Thank you for your tip.
I'll try to contact them to add some product from this seller to our test (that should happen in about 2 weeks).

After a "first visit" to his shop, I allready have to say that they - Bungee 54 -  don't work with "privnote" and that makes it more difficult for "fresh SR visitors" to order from them... then again, they do score by adding the little note: "If you do not know how it works, either join Pine's PGP Club [http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=30937] or search the forums & interwebz -> "PGP / GPG Tutorial"

Thank you for you reaction!

No problem! :)

About the privnote, you'll actually find that most vendors only accept PGP. Privnote is not secure (going offsite to entrust your address to an unknown 3rd party is not a good idea) so I'd advise not to use it.
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: RaFaeL5 on December 09, 2012, 07:26 pm
Hey buddy, it's cool what you are doing, but if you wait too long between the orders the vendors are going to have switched their batches when you are finished :)
Yes, I realize that could be/will be a problem.
The best test that we can do will only be of real value regarding their actual batch at the moment of testing.
But lett's asume that vendors try to deliver similar quality, even if they get a new batch... a serious vendor will always try to have as good or better, isn't it?
But what I will also be discussing is the vendors attitude towards a new SR-account.
This might be helpfull for other "starters" and will probably say a lot about the vendor.
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: abby25 on December 10, 2012, 02:05 pm
Although i think this is a good idea in theory, if you aren't paying for the samples, and if all 34 aren't on board,  the experiment becomes null and void i my opinion.

Vendors who don't just want to give coke away (for obvious reasons) would not be included, but may have the best coke. Also, how do we know the vendor isn't going to get a favourable review simply because he sent a bit extra?

As i said i like the idea of this but if i was a vendor and you weren't paying i'd have to put this one down as a clever way for someone to get some free charlie before Christmas, whether that is the case or not. As i said, if they are not all on board, the experiment is pretty useless. But that's just my 2 cents.

Anyway, good luck to you. :)
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: Amsterdope on December 11, 2012, 12:23 am
RaFaeL5,
Thanks for starting this thread. It is good to see initiative in this field and we are glad to be part of your study - 'test'.
Best of luck,
- AD
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: woahmang on December 11, 2012, 01:08 am
I have to agree with abby25, the only way to do this sort of test is anonymously and without all the fanfare. Enjoy your white Christmas anyway.
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: RaFaeL5 on December 11, 2012, 03:41 pm
Although i think this is a good idea in theory, if you aren't paying for the samples, and if all 34 aren't on board,  the experiment becomes null and void i my opinion.

Vendors who don't just want to give coke away (for obvious reasons) would not be included, but may have the best coke. Also, how do we know the vendor isn't going to get a favourable review simply because he sent a bit extra?

As i said i like the idea of this but if i was a vendor and you weren't paying i'd have to put this one down as a clever way for someone to get some free charlie before Christmas, whether that is the case or not. As i said, if they are not all on board, the experiment is pretty useless. But that's just my 2 cents.

Anyway, good luck to you. :)

Thank you Abby25 for your comment, please allow me to react to some things you wrote in your comment...

First of all: we paid or offered to pay for all the samples.
Let me explain how this test was "born": in the beginning we just wanted to test the "best vendors on SR" (with a high feedback score, no negative comments on SR, good and satisfied customers on the forum, ...). So we did our research and we just ordered from those vendors.
Then we started this topic (after most of those products were ordered). But as a reaction on this forum people posted (or sent PM's) telling us we should also try this or that vendor...and we did such: we contacted those vendors and asked to buy a sample.
After a while our budget was (almost) finished and still more and more vendors were recommended. Then we contacted those vendors telling them about the "test" and offering them to send a free sample now OR to wait until we would have funding again - once we'd have funding again we would order (AND PAY!) for the sample.

So, that's one thing I wanted to clear out: we offer to pay for all the samples (and do pay for most of them).

After a while we had contacted so many vendors that we thought it would only be fair to send the same message to all the other C-vendors in Europe and give them the possibility to participate in the testing (again: with a free sample now, or later when we get more budget).

I agree with you, Abby25: it would be great to try all the 34 vendors, but to do that you'd need a huge budget! I calculated it and at an average of 6BTC per sample (including shipping) that would give us: 34 x 6 = 204 BTC.  204BTC x 14$ (approximately at today's rate on blockchain.info) = 2856$ or in euro's at 10,4 euro per BTC = 2122 euro's.
As you can see, that's a huge budget.
Also, some vendors don't send 0,5g and then we'd be forced to buy at least 1g from them (even more in specific cases).
We just don't have that kind of budget! That's why we made this test as a "not  blind test" (the sellers are knowing that we will test their product) so that we could narrow down our "search area" for later testings (maybe done by us, maybe done by others).

I think that a serious vendor is not afraid of such a test and since we offered to pay for every sample, if they don't want to give it away they just say so and we pay for the sample (if not now, later on).
So I think that the vendors whom decided not to participate in this test have already (to my personal opinion) showed that they are not as serious about their business as we (customers) would like them to be.

It's not our goal to scam the vendors (and it wouldn't be a good idea  to scam any of them since all participating sellers get an address to send their stuff to).
In case they accept to send us a free sample we gladly accept it because then we can contact (and perhaps also buy) from more vendors.

Also we suggest sellers who agree on sending a sample for free to send samples of 0,5gram OR LESS.
We don't want to get too much stuff; just what we need for testing, no more. If they want to play Santa Claus it's up to them - but vendors can only be disqualified when they send less than agreed, that's why we ask them (in case of a free sample) to let us know how much they are sending so that we can weight it and check that it is NOT LESS than what they said.
From a "business" point of view they have to send the quantity we agree on (that's what the deal is about) but if they send more - well, from a "personal" point of view it's very nice and appreciated, but regarding this forumpage: it will have NO influence on it...

Regarding your comment on "giving extra credits to generous vendors"... let's put it this way: we've had so much shit going up our noses over the last years, we will definitely not give extra credit to a vendor that send us some more shit to go up our nose. This test is about quality: quality of package, quality of product and quality of service. If a vendor sends shit (even if he sends a lot of it) he'll be getting a shit score on that part of the test... it's not more complicated than that.

But I'm glad your post gave me the opportunity to clear this out.
Also, be assured that more will follow from this test (that's our goal)... but for that you'll have to be patient and wait a little longer.

Again, thank you for your comment Abby25 - I think that those details needed to be cleared out!
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: White Light on December 11, 2012, 05:07 pm
Although i think this is a good idea in theory, if you aren't paying for the samples, and if all 34 aren't on board,  the experiment becomes null and void i my opinion.

Vendors who don't just want to give coke away (for obvious reasons) would not be included, but may have the best coke. Also, how do we know the vendor isn't going to get a favourable review simply because he sent a bit extra?

As i said i like the idea of this but if i was a vendor and you weren't paying i'd have to put this one down as a clever way for someone to get some free charlie before Christmas, whether that is the case or not. As i said, if they are not all on board, the experiment is pretty useless. But that's just my 2 cents.

Anyway, good luck to you. :)

Hi,
I agree with you, at the end this kind of initiative is useless, if you contact a seller asking for some product for a test he will of course send to you his best coke. Then he can easily sell crap thanks to the credibility you gave him with this test. If not anonymous, this kind of test doesn't have any value.
For instance I remember an austrian buyer who began to labtest some products, he didn't warn the sellers and obtained very accurate results. After a few weeks some sellers sent him their products in order to gain some cred, the vendor Norega sent coke which was tested 97 % pure ! Of course his sales exploded, he began asking buyers to finalize early and then scammed everyone.

WL
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: RaFaeL5 on December 13, 2012, 08:29 pm
To give a score to the many vendor pages I had to review on SR,
I made a little list of "do's&don'ts".

Now I would like to have your opinion about this list,
so I posted it here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=93358.0

Please, do have a look at it and let me know what you think about it on that forumpage (not on this one please).

Cheers,
R5
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: Bungee54 on December 14, 2012, 10:57 am
subscribing
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: RaFaeL5 on December 22, 2012, 11:20 pm
So,
the deadline for participating products has expired.

We are still waiting for parcels from 3 vendors and hopefully the mailman will bring them here asap.
2 other vendors had asked us that to particpate after X-mas or NY, so we'll try to contact them in a few days...

I vendor sent the wrong product...so we're looking at how we can solve this.

The parcels have been weighted and only 1 was "light" (just over 10% light). We've contacted that seller (who has a very good feedback score on SR) to see if this was an honest mistake or due to a bad scale (our scale is accurate to 0,01g)...but it's never good to be 10% light!

Most of the stuff looks great,
we'll be giving more details soon.
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: Magic Moments on December 22, 2012, 11:27 pm
You should place an order from us.

MM
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: nigga_luvva on December 23, 2012, 12:25 am

No problem! :)

About the privnote, you'll actually find that most vendors only accept PGP. Privnote is not secure (going offsite to entrust your address to an unknown 3rd party is not a good idea) so I'd advise not to use it.

MyNigga! Words if tru.

You gost to have faith. Faith in the privnote for the spirit tah wark now! You gost to believe it jesus, cuz the everloving spirit, yes son, the one behind that screen right there ah, tellsya, oh lordy it does, privnote, that you safe right inininin It's armms! Yoo safe, it tru, red right there!!!
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: RaFaeL5 on December 24, 2012, 09:47 am
You should place an order from us.

MM

This "test" is ment for European vendors.
I hope for you guys that someone will pick up the "testing" on the other side of the ocean... but we've chosen not to test vendors outside the E.U.

Cheers, R5
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: Magic Moments on December 24, 2012, 08:04 pm
You should place an order from us.

MM

This "test" is ment for European vendors.
I hope for you guys that someone will pick up the "testing" on the other side of the ocean... but we've chosen not to test vendors outside the E.U.

Cheers, R5

Oups, our mistake. Good luck with the tests, We look forward to seeing the results.

MM
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: DenoyerGeppert on December 27, 2012, 09:51 pm
I like what you are doing here. Maybe a more accurate title to attract viewers though?
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: RaFaeL5 on December 27, 2012, 11:14 pm
I like what you are doing here. Maybe a more accurate title to attract viewers though?

THX, but I don't know how to change the title of the topic... if you can tell me how, please PM it to me.

Cheers, R5
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: DenoyerGeppert on December 28, 2012, 02:40 pm
I like what you are doing here. Maybe a more accurate title to attract viewers though?

THX, but I don't know how to change the title of the topic... if you can tell me how, please PM it to me.

Cheers, R5

I'm not actually too sure at all. Sorry buddy.

All I can suggest is coping the OP into a new thread with a new title and posting the link into this thread.
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: Bungee54 on December 28, 2012, 03:13 pm
I like what you are doing here. Maybe a more accurate title to attract viewers though?

THX, but I don't know how to change the title of the topic... if you can tell me how, please PM it to me.

Cheers, R5

Just hit Modify on your First post !  There you can change also the topic title.

Cheers!
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: Buho on December 28, 2012, 09:25 pm
This is a great idea! Especially since this is focusing on EU-vendors. It really sucks reading the general SR Coke Vendors thread, as most sellers they talk about are from the US.   
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: livelifeoffthewall on January 02, 2013, 02:50 pm
Cokeking is a scammer. Beware!!!
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: zickzack on January 03, 2013, 10:55 am
Any results? It is a nice idea but how about results? No updates, hardly any comments.
It has been a month since.....
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: RaFaeL5 on January 07, 2013, 03:50 pm
So, here is a little update...

First of all: sorry it took so long and sorry we're not totally ready yet, but one vendors had to resend his sample and another just sent it way too late but is assuring us it's on the way... so we're waiting for the last 2 samples to get here, be tested and then the final results will be published (probably in a new post on this forum).

I can already tel you that 3 vendors have been DISQUALIFIED !!!
Unbelievable but true...

LUPEN: heroine is NOT cocaine, you moron. By sending us the wrong product not only do you NOT deliver what we agreed on, but you also put me at risks for something I DO NOT WANT!!! This is totally unprofessional and unforgivable. Your product has been thrown away and we will never contact you again.

CRYSTALKING: crystal meth is NOT cocaine, you moron. By sending us the wrong product not only do you NOT deliver what we agreed on, but you also put me at risks for something I DO NOT WANT!!! This is totally unprofessional and unforgivable. Your product has been thrown away and we will never contact you again. Also (this is not written on his vendor page) he is sending from the U.S. - if I had known this I would not have contacted him for this project! Vendors should always mark where they are sending from so that customers wouldn't take extra risks!

FRANK MATTHEWS: this vendor (and only this vendor!) sent us a package that was 10% light. If we order 0,5gram (and pay for it) we expect 0,5gram (at least). If you send 0,44gram the difference is more than 10% - and even if this is only 0,06gram we believe that this is not acceptable and that serious vendors on SR should never send less than what is agreed upon (and paid for)... we have to admit that, after confronting this vendor with this fact, he offered a 10% refund (that we accepted) and that does show some good qualities, but we clearly stated that sending LESS twould mean the vendor is DISQUALIFIED, thus Frank Matthews has been disqualified.


For the rest I can already tel you that we've tested products from: Charlieandmollie, c63amg, Bungee54, Uglydoll, amsterdope and supertrips. All of those packages had a product that is clearly better quality than what can be bought around here. None of the products was bad but - as was to be expected - there was quite some difference between the products.
We are still waiting for the packages from Mercury31 and Dope Distributor. I hope they'll soon be here so that we can finish the testing and share our results & comments with you.

Cheers,
R5
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: sccc on January 07, 2013, 10:49 pm
following
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: WHITESTONE on January 08, 2013, 08:44 am
So, here is a little update...

First of all: sorry it took so long and sorry we're not totally ready yet, but one vendors had to resend his sample and another just sent it way too late but is assuring us it's on the way... so we're waiting for the last 2 samples to get here, be tested and then the final results will be published (probably in a new post on this forum).

I can already tel you that 3 vendors have been DISQUALIFIED !!!
Unbelievable but true...

LUPEN: heroine is NOT cocaine, you moron. By sending us the wrong product not only do you NOT deliver what we agreed on, but you also put me at risks for something I DO NOT WANT!!! This is totally unprofessional and unforgivable. Your product has been thrown away and we will never contact you again.

CRYSTALKING: crystal meth is NOT cocaine, you moron. By sending us the wrong product not only do you NOT deliver what we agreed on, but you also put me at risks for something I DO NOT WANT!!! This is totally unprofessional and unforgivable. Your product has been thrown away and we will never contact you again. Also (this is not written on his vendor page) he is sending from the U.S. - if I had known this I would not have contacted him for this project! Vendors should always mark where they are sending from so that customers wouldn't take extra risks!

FRANK MATTHEWS: this vendor (and only this vendor!) sent us a package that was 10% light. If we order 0,5gram (and pay for it) we expect 0,5gram (at least). If you send 0,44gram the difference is more than 10% - and even if this is only 0,06gram we believe that this is not acceptable and that serious vendors on SR should never send less than what is agreed upon (and paid for)... we have to admit that, after confronting this vendor with this fact, he offered a 10% refund (that we accepted) and that does show some good qualities, but we clearly stated that sending LESS twould mean the vendor is DISQUALIFIED, thus Frank Matthews has been disqualified.


For the rest I can already tel you that we've tested products from: Charlieandmollie, c63amg, Bungee54, Uglydoll, amsterdope and supertrips. All of those packages had a product that is clearly better quality than what can be bought around here. None of the products was bad but - as was to be expected - there was quite some difference between the products.
We are still waiting for the packages from Mercury31 and Dope Distributor. I hope they'll soon be here so that we can finish the testing and share our results & comments with you.

Cheers,
R5

Frank has refunded 10 % and so all is o.k. I bought and will buy very often from Frank and the weight was always on spot or just a little more. My opinion is that it could happen and if the vendor fixes the problem everything is o.k.. If you got o.3 or o.4 and the vendor says Fuck you, i could understand your opinion but in this case not....
The quality is really more important.....
Putting something like that on a level with delivering the wrong drug and doing nothing to fix it is something i can't understand!!

Just my 2 cents
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: RaFaeL5 on January 08, 2013, 09:15 pm
So, here is a little update...

First of all: sorry it took so long and sorry we're not totally ready yet, but one vendors had to resend his sample and another just sent it way too late but is assuring us it's on the way... so we're waiting for the last 2 samples to get here, be tested and then the final results will be published (probably in a new post on this forum).

I can already tel you that 3 vendors have been DISQUALIFIED !!!
Unbelievable but true...

LUPEN: heroine is NOT cocaine, you moron. By sending us the wrong product not only do you NOT deliver what we agreed on, but you also put me at risks for something I DO NOT WANT!!! This is totally unprofessional and unforgivable. Your product has been thrown away and we will never contact you again.

CRYSTALKING: crystal meth is NOT cocaine, you moron. By sending us the wrong product not only do you NOT deliver what we agreed on, but you also put me at risks for something I DO NOT WANT!!! This is totally unprofessional and unforgivable. Your product has been thrown away and we will never contact you again. Also (this is not written on his vendor page) he is sending from the U.S. - if I had known this I would not have contacted him for this project! Vendors should always mark where they are sending from so that customers wouldn't take extra risks!

FRANK MATTHEWS: this vendor (and only this vendor!) sent us a package that was 10% light. If we order 0,5gram (and pay for it) we expect 0,5gram (at least). If you send 0,44gram the difference is more than 10% - and even if this is only 0,06gram we believe that this is not acceptable and that serious vendors on SR should never send less than what is agreed upon (and paid for)... we have to admit that, after confronting this vendor with this fact, he offered a 10% refund (that we accepted) and that does show some good qualities, but we clearly stated that sending LESS twould mean the vendor is DISQUALIFIED, thus Frank Matthews has been disqualified.


For the rest I can already tel you that we've tested products from: Charlieandmollie, c63amg, Bungee54, Uglydoll, amsterdope and supertrips. All of those packages had a product that is clearly better quality than what can be bought around here. None of the products was bad but - as was to be expected - there was quite some difference between the products.
We are still waiting for the packages from Mercury31 and Dope Distributor. I hope they'll soon be here so that we can finish the testing and share our results & comments with you.

Cheers,
R5

Frank has refunded 10 % and so all is o.k. I bought and will buy very often from Frank and the weight was always on spot or just a little more. My opinion is that it could happen and if the vendor fixes the problem everything is o.k.. If you got o.3 or o.4 and the vendor says Fuck you, i could understand your opinion but in this case not....
The quality is really more important.....
Putting something like that on a level with delivering the wrong drug and doing nothing to fix it is something i can't understand!!

Just my 2 cents

Hi,
I understand your opinion but we clearly wrote since the beginning of the project that vendors who send less than they should would be disqualified. 10% less is not nothing and even if we do appreciate the 10% refund (and mentioned it in this forum), we feel we have to "play by the rules". But since you asked for it we'll give you the scores FM's product got.
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: c63amg on January 08, 2013, 10:46 pm
Hello Everybody,

Just got a new C batch and a new H batch and they are both A1 products.

The links Are Up:
H
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/8463e4c611

C
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/b6f4d45caf




It will be 1 a person. If you purchase more than one your order will be deleted

Links:
The links Are Up:
H
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/8463e4c611

C
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/b6f4d45caf




You can find all my offers on this page:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/c55117c9a1




Have a nice evening

Regards,


C63amg
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: RaFaeL5 on January 09, 2013, 11:46 am
Hello Everybody,

Just got a new C batch and a new H batch and they are both A1 products.

The links Are Up:
H
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/8463e4c611

C
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/b6f4d45caf




It will be 1 a person. If you purchase more than one your order will be deleted

Links:
The links Are Up:
H
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/8463e4c611

C
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/b6f4d45caf




You can find all my offers on this page:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/c55117c9a1




Have a nice evening

Regards,


C63amg

Hi C63amg,

I just want to react quickly:
this forumpost is about C, and only about C.

I don't mind you advertising your product on this page (especially if it's good stuff!),
but I would appreciate it if you did NOT advertise other products than C on this page (there are plenty of other places where you can do such on this forum).
Maybe you can even adapt your original text?

Anyway - we're only waiting for 1 more package... the results are near, I hope all can be published within the coming week.

Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: PintoX on January 09, 2013, 01:03 pm
Subscribing!
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: RaFaeL5 on January 11, 2013, 11:20 am
So,
it's friday and the last package from DopeDistributor still didn't arrive.
It was supposed to be sent more than 10 days ago and the delivery should have taken 2 - 4 days.

If the package doesn't arrive here on Monday we will not wait for it any longer and we'll put up the results of our tests...

Enjoy your weekend!
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: 12345 on January 11, 2013, 12:20 pm
subscribing, too.

@OP:
can you please tell me how you liked the underweight product from FrankM? Maybe via PM if you do not want to make it public. I am asking because I made my own personal testrun through some of the vendors and I am curious what you would think about it. thanks.

Is any of the product washed during the testing process? And tested before and after washing?

take care
12345
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: RaFaeL5 on January 11, 2013, 09:45 pm
subscribing, too.

@OP:
can you please tell me how you liked the underweight product from FrankM? Maybe via PM if you do not want to make it public. I am asking because I made my own personal testrun through some of the vendors and I am curious what you would think about it. thanks.

Is any of the product washed during the testing process? And tested before and after washing?

take care
12345

I was gone detail this in the final post, but I might just do it here as well.

We did not wash (no ammonia, no bicarbonate of soda, no... ) to test the product.
This because of the fact that most C is now cut with products that you can't wash out of it (or in the best case only for a small part).
We had 2 options: send it to a lab (expensive, long waiting list, never certain if the lab is being "honest" or "political") or use it ourselves and see what we think of it.
Basically we were looking for the stuff we had >15 years ago - stuff that totally disappeared from our local market (I'm not even sure they're selling C anymore on the local market, even if they call it" C").
We choose to use it ourselves, confident of our personal experiences.
I think this was a good choice, because in reality every coke is always cut with something (in Europe at least, maybe not in Colombia or ...), but how it's cut (what product or productS and in what proportions) makes a big difference. The purest the coke the better it is to smoke (crack) there's no doubt about that - but we don't smoke it anymore and we're certainly not gone start that again!... so we snorted the products, without cleaning it (as I wrote on another post: never snort cleaned coke).

Most of the results were quite unexpected and often very pleasing...but just wait a few more days and we'll publish our results...

Just a micro-answer: I received better product than FM's.
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: WhiteRails on January 11, 2013, 09:56 pm
Looking forward to these results and also willing to add my opinion to the vendors I've tried recently. I've been conducting my own miniature test to see who's got the best so will be happy to be a 2nd opinion for any vendors tested.
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: RaFaeL5 on January 11, 2013, 11:26 pm
Looking forward to these results and also willing to add my opinion to the vendors I've tried recently. I've been conducting my own miniature test to see who's got the best so will be happy to be a 2nd opinion for any vendors tested.

GrEaT!!!
 We couldn't have hoped for more!!!

Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: Bungee54 on January 14, 2013, 12:47 pm
Results will be up today correct?

We look forward to them .

Cheers!
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: echolot on January 14, 2013, 03:05 pm
Depends on whether they are able to after testing  :o
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: BigMind on January 14, 2013, 09:18 pm
Lupen sent good coke but massively underweight, coms were difficult also
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: pPharm on January 14, 2013, 09:35 pm
This is a nice thing to do, but as said before, telling vendors that you were doing this really defeats the whole point. you would (typically) end up with the best product they have and they would likely package it better than normal if they have the capability. Should've just bought small amounts w/o a word of why or what you were going to do.
And the 3 vendors the screwed up sending the wrong product (or going light on it) are just...insane. Not caring about their business I suppose as that is close to vendor suicide (if you had told the 3 of them what you were doing and your rules before hand at least).
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: XTCandLSDHappyME on January 15, 2013, 12:18 pm
This is a nice thing to do, but as said before, telling vendors that you were doing this really defeats the whole point. you would (typically) end up with the best product they have and they would likely package it better than normal if they have the capability. Should've just bought small amounts w/o a word of why or what you were going to do.
And the 3 vendors the screwed up sending the wrong product (or going light on it) are just...insane. Not caring about their business I suppose as that is close to vendor suicide (if you had told the 3 of them what you were doing and your rules before hand at least).

Yes I thought this also. Another thing iv been thinking is if you test all the products personally on the same day/night then your tollerance will be building as you go to each product.. The first line is always the nicest and the last product you test might be better than the first product but from what it felt like to you it wasnt. For a fair test id say they should be tested on their own with a 5 day gap inbetween each 1
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: PineappleLove on January 15, 2013, 04:42 pm
I really like this project RaFaeL5! Undoubtedly you'll enjoy yourself in the process of reviewing all this coke.

We all expect you'll share some great insights with us! I think the combination of individual trip reports, large scale comparisons like yours, and lab tests make it possible for everyone to make a proper decision on who to buy from. Thanks for doing this.
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: abby25 on January 15, 2013, 08:39 pm
This is a nice thing to do, but as said before, telling vendors that you were doing this really defeats the whole point. you would (typically) end up with the best product they have and they would likely package it better than normal if they have the capability. Should've just bought small amounts w/o a word of why or what you were going to do.

I really hate to be a killjoy but i totally agree.

There is no way that knowing what the coke is being used for (i.e a comparison test), that the vendors haven't just sent you the best samples they possibly could, meaning the only point to all this is that you can get high off the best coke on the road!

Personally i say congratulations on working this out, but for the rest of us there is no way we can tell that the samples you have bear any relation to what we could/would be getting in the future, not to mention the fact that this has been going on for weeks now, over the xmas period, so batches are almost certain to have changed by now with at least most of the larger vendors.

Great idea for some good coke, but i don't think i'll be using this thread to choose my next vendor.
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: Immortally on January 16, 2013, 12:18 pm
Even though the test results influenced by foreknowledge, as mentioned earlier , I am still very curious about the results, can,t  wait ..
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: RaFaeL5 on January 16, 2013, 07:53 pm
The test results are here... I'm gone try to put them on the forum tomorrow...
just hope I'll get to it (it's a  buzy/chaotic moment around here).
I'll do my best!

Cheers to all,
R5
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: RaFaeL5 on January 16, 2013, 08:03 pm
Dope Distributor:
almost 20 days after ordering the sample...but it still hasn't been sent!!!

We will not wait for this sample anymore - if a vendor needs more than 20 days to ship 1 sample, he cannot be considered a serious vendor (to our personal opinion).
Thank you for delaying us 15 days, Dope Distributor!
Title: Re: trying out some C-suppliers from a fresh SR account
Post by: RaFaeL5 on January 17, 2013, 05:06 pm
OUR TEST RESULTS ARE HERE:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=108305.0