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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: OzFreelancer on November 12, 2012, 02:58 am

Title: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: OzFreelancer on November 12, 2012, 02:58 am
There seems to be a bit of confusion among Aussie buyers as to just what offences they are committing when purchasing from Silk Road.  I thought I would start a new thread on it (note: I am not a criminal lawyer and this info should be taken as guidance only; if you are busted, consult a suitably qualified lawyer immediately).

Anyone who knows my work knows I am a drug reform advocate.  My personal stance is legislate/regulate/educate ALL drugs.  So do I agree with these offences? No.  But I think it is important that you know the possible consequences of buying here so you can make an informed decision.

STATE OFFENCES

Most drug laws fall under State law.  The most relevant ones are possession and trafficking.  Amounts of drugs are divided into ‘small’, ‘traffickable’ and ‘commercial’ quantities.

The limits for a prima facie case of trafficking differ from state-to-state but are mostly around the 2g-3g for the popular powders and 250g for cannabis.  Commercial quantities are around the 500g mark for powders and 25kg for cannabis.  Tasmania is the most generous state with regards to what is regarded as a traffickable amount.

A prima facie case does not necessarily mean you will be charged with trafficking – if you can prove that the drugs are for personal use only, the charge will be downgraded to possession.

The penalty for mere possession of cannabis or THC is a penalty of around $675. For a first-time offender, the most likely penalty is a good behaviour bond, which means no conviction so long as you comply with the terms of the bond (which may be attending a drug diversion program or making a donation to charity). There is also a cannabis cautioning scheme and first-timers are usually just cautioned.

For other drugs, the maximum penalty for possession is a fine of around $4000 or one year's imprisonment, or both.

For trafficking offences of non-commercial quantities, the maximum penalty is a jail term of 15 years or a fine of up to $240,000, or both.  It is higher for trafficking to a person under 18.

Penalties for trafficking of commercial quantities are a maximum term of 25 years prison or a fine of $400,000, or both.

FEDERAL OFFENCES

When importing drugs from overseas, you need to also consider the federal offences.  Importing drugs under the Criminal Code is divided into importing a personal quantity, importing a marketable quantity and importing a commercial quantity.

'Marketable quantity' for the most common drugs is 2g and above.  Where a marketable quantity is involved the applicable penalty is 25 years imprisonment or $550,000, or both. For commercial quantities it's life imprisonment.  Again, there is the "lack of commercial intention" defence:  This requires the accused to prove on the balance of probabilities that he or she neither intended to sell any of the drugs, nor believed that another person intended to sell any of the drugs. However, where this defence is raised, and accepted by a jury, the accused may be convicted of an offence with a two year penalty or $44,000, or both.

Here's the relevant part of the Criminal Code.

Quote
    Division 307 -- Import-export offences
    Subdivision A--Importing and exporting border controlled drugs or border controlled plants
    307.1   Importing and exporting commercial quantities of border controlled drugs or border controlled plants
                 (1)  A person commits an offence if:
                         (a)  the person imports or exports a substance; and
                         (b)  the substance is a border controlled drug or border controlled plant; and
                         (c)  the quantity imported or exported is a commercial quantity.
    Penalty:  Imprisonment for life or 7,500 penalty units, or both.
                 (2)  The fault element for paragraph (1)(b) is recklessness.
                 (3)  Absolute liability applies to paragraph (1)(c).
    307.2   Importing and exporting marketable quantities of border controlled drugs or border controlled plants
                 (1)  A person commits an offence if:
                         (a)  the person imports or exports a substance; and
                         (b)  the substance is a border controlled drug or border controlled plant; and
                         (c)  the quantity imported or exported is a marketable quantity.
    Penalty:  Imprisonment for 25 years or 5,000 penalty units, or both.
                 (2)  The fault element for paragraph (1)(b) is recklessness.
                 (3)  Absolute liability applies to paragraph (1)(c).
                 (4)  Subsection (1) does not apply if the person proves that he or she neither intended, nor believed that another person intended, to sell any of the border controlled drug or any of the border controlled plant or its products.
    Note:          A defendant bears a legal burden in relation to the matters in subsection (4) (see section 13.4).
    307.3   Importing and exporting border controlled drugs or border controlled plants
                 (1)  A person commits an offence if:
                         (a)  the person imports or exports a substance; and
                         (b)  the substance is a border controlled drug or border controlled plant.
    Penalty:  Imprisonment for 10 years or 2,000 penalty units, or both.
                 (2)  The fault element for paragraph (1)(b) is recklessness.
                 (3)  Subsection (1) does not apply if the person proves that he or she neither intended, nor believed that another person intended, to sell any of the border controlled drug or any of the border controlled plant or its products.
    Note:          A defendant bears a legal burden in relation to the matters in subsection (3) (see section 13.4).
    307.4   Importing and exporting border controlled drugs or border controlled plants--no defence relating to lack of commercial intent
                 (1)  A person commits an offence if:
                         (a)  the person imports or exports a substance; and
                         (b)  the substance is a border controlled drug or border controlled plant.
    Penalty:  Imprisonment for 2 years, or 400 penalty units, or both.
                 (2)  The fault element for paragraph (1)(b) is recklessness.

And here's the table of quantities.

Quote
Border controlled drugs and quantities
Border controlled drugs   Marketable quantity(grams)   Commercial quantity(kilograms)
Amphetamine           2.0                  0.75
Cannabinoids         2.0                  2.0
Cannabis            25,000.0               100.0
Cannabisresin         20.0                  50.0
Cocaine            2.0                  2.0
Gammabutyrolactone(GBL)   2.0                  1.0
Heroin(diacetylmorphine)   2.0                  1.5
4-Hydroxy (GHB)      2.0                  1.0
Lysergide(LSD)         0.002               0.002
Mescaline            7.5                  7.5
Methamphetamine      2.0                  0.75
(MDA)            0.5                  0.75
3,4-Meth(MDMA)      0.5                  0.5
Opium            20.0                  20.0
Psilocine            0.1                  0.1
Psilocybine            0.1                  0.1
Tetrahydrocannabinols   2.0                  5.0

Note that all of the penalties are MAXIMUM penalties.  A first offender is probably unlikely to cop anywhere near the maximum. However, there is always the possibility that there will be a deterrence factor to early Silk Road-related penalties.

Any attempt to perform any of the above (possession/trafficking) carries the same penalties as the offences themselves.

There are no doubt other laws that would be relevant (including conspiracy and probably misuse of the postal service), but I've just concentrated on the drug laws.

Happy to answer any questions you might have to the best of my ability, but like I said, I’m not a criminal lawyer, so please don’t take anything I say as gospel. :)

Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: JezuzWazaMushroom on November 12, 2012, 03:02 am
Australia makes Nazi Germany seem positively humane!

I'm leaving this this shitty CUNTry ASAP!
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: drganja on November 12, 2012, 04:10 am
Australia makes Nazi Germany seem positively humane!

I'm leaving this this shitty CUNTry ASAP!

Dude jezuz.. your such a douche bag man.. chill out... accusing dpr of scamming us and shit. go fuck yourself and get off the forums..

Back on topic: I really feel for you aussies. No wonder your drug prices are so high. it makes sense now because nobody wants to risk these ridiculous fines for drugs! i think the only countries that have higher drug penalties are Asian countries. Death penalty for selling heroin!
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: OzFreelancer on November 12, 2012, 04:25 am
Australia makes Nazi Germany seem positively humane!

I'm leaving this this shitty CUNTry ASAP!

Dude jezuz.. your such a douche bag man.. chill out... accusing dpr of scamming us and shit. go fuck yourself and get off the forums..

Back on topic: I really feel for you aussies. No wonder your drug prices are so high. it makes sense now because nobody wants to risk these ridiculous fines for drugs! i think the only countries that have higher drug penalties are Asian countries. Death penalty for selling heroin!

It's important to remember that the penalties listed are a maximum only.  Actual penalties range from a caution to the maximum.

US Federal drug laws look a lot tougher and they even seem to have mandatory minimum penalties, which is much scarier:  http://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ftp3.shtml
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: monicabarratt on November 12, 2012, 05:47 am
Great idea for a thread.

Another thing to note is the Criminal Code 1995 (federal act) has an analogue law - anything that is deemed structurally similar to currently prohibited drugs is also illegal and punishable under that act. Different states and territories have different analogue laws too to complicate matters. I do have one friend who was charged with importing mephedrone (not through SR; just a website) and he was charged with a federal offence using the analogues clause. He had good lawyers and got out with a fine and conviction, but no jail. He only ordered 2 grams - and it was only for personal use, but he still ended up with criminal conviction... the importation laws are serious.

Similar disclaimer to ozfreelancer - I am not a lawyer! I do have some contacts for Australian lawyers in this area so any Australians that need one, happy for you to PM me.
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: mew43 on November 12, 2012, 06:00 am
u think thats scary? well i dont suggest coming to the USA, here we have mandatory minimums. A friend of a friend got charged with distribution of Heroin and got the minimum 5 years. However he only served 6 months, but is still on probation til january 2014. USA drug laws are the worst.
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: beaner on November 12, 2012, 06:18 am
great info thank you. something iv'e been wondering for a while now.

"Penalties for trafficking of commercial quantities are a maximum term of 25 years prison or a fine of $400,000, or both."

So for ordering say 2.5 g for the purpose of trafficking, that is what you could face? Just for that?
Sorry am i reading this right.

cheers

+1

Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: beaner on November 12, 2012, 06:21 am
Who's that mate? It's alright for some git to accuse me of mutiny against my captain then without the right to publicly defend myself? How is that fair? Shit, my loyalties unflinching and I won't have it questioned publicly by some clown, or anyone else for that matter! I'm more loyal to DPR than my own corrupt government or CUNTry, how's that my friend? As for the retard comment, I would be happy to compare knowlege on any subject from religion and history to politics and psychology with you and see who comes out on top! Oh, and go fuck yourself too while you're at it!
Is this really necessary keep the banter out and the good info in. 8)
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: JezuzWazaMushroom on November 12, 2012, 06:28 am
This is my opinion then with regard to this whole issue in Australia, the giant Alcatraz from hell and drugs. If you order them and they catch you, you're fucked. They will nail you for importing a border controlled substance, intent to distribute, using a carrier service in the proceeds of a criminal activity, probably tax evasion, money laundering (BTC wallets), personal possession, possess of a controlled substance with intent to distribute and trafficking in dangerous goods. To name a few. They would have laws so numerous they would nail you with that essentially you can kiss your arse goodbye. That's how I see it, always have! If you want a change join the Liberal Democratic PArty, it's free online and Australia's only true Libertarian Party. I suggest you look up their website www.ldp.org.au, go through it and if you agree witht heir principles, which you will, you'll join and vote LDP. I sure as shit did!
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: mew43 on November 12, 2012, 06:31 am
this thread actually speaks to WHY silk road is so great.  a few years ago there were a few hidden forums on the web that you could go to and there would be a few sources for certain items, but 80% were scams. And it was always dangerous dealing with people on those sites cuz it could very easily have been Law Enforcement.

with Silk Road, and the blessed Tor network, they have provided about as much anonymity and safety from Law Enforcement and scammers as possible. which is why it has lasted so long and continues to grow and thrive. Its the right site at the right place at the right time.

As an American who saw 2 states legalize marijuana recently, it seems the world is becoming sick of the War on Drugs and are progressively (slowly but still) seeming to become much more open to legalizing drugs. BUT until then, long live SR.
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: CX on November 12, 2012, 07:25 am
Marketable quantities differ for each state, with TAZ as you've mentioned being the most and considerably more generous/lenient towards quantity than the rest.

Sorry if I'm rehashing, but just to be clear. The graph you've posted ( as below )  is relevant to FEDERAL IMPORTATION LAW and not STATE POSSESSION LAW, for instance if you were to be busted with the drugs already in your possession the offense regarding quantity with relevance to severity of prosecution would vary from state to state and would likely be less severe as you will be charged under STATE POSSESSION LAW not  FEDERAL IMPORTATION LAW, unless they can prove you imported them and charge you under federal of course.

I remember the specific state per sate quantities and relating charges were posted here awhile ago, is there any chance you could dig them up and post them here, I expect they're located at the same site you acquired that info from as they were formatted in the same manner.

Also here's some great info on dealing with police, I'm sure it maintains a reasonable degree of relevance to other states as well. ( ** Clear Web PDF File ** www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/cle.police_powers_your_rights_in_victoria.pdf )
 

Border controlled drugs and quantities
Border controlled drugs   Marketable quantity(grams)   Commercial quantity(kilograms)
Amphetamine           2.0                  0.75
Cannabinoids         2.0                  2.0
Cannabis            25,000.0               100.0
Cannabisresin         20.0                  50.0
Cocaine            2.0                  2.0
Gammabutyrolactone(GBL)   2.0                  1.0
Heroin(diacetylmorphine)   2.0                  1.5
4-Hydroxy (GHB)      2.0                  1.0
Lysergide(LSD)         0.002               0.002
Mescaline            7.5                  7.5
Methamphetamine      2.0                  0.75
(MDA)            0.5                  0.75
3,4-Meth(MDMA)      0.5                  0.5
Opium            20.0                  20.0
Psilocine            0.1                  0.1
Psilocybine            0.1                  0.1
Tetrahydrocannabinols   2.0                  5.0. 
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: OzFreelancer on November 12, 2012, 07:54 am
great info thank you. something iv'e been wondering for a while now.

"Penalties for trafficking of commercial quantities are a maximum term of 25 years prison or a fine of $400,000, or both."

So for ordering say 2.5 g for the purpose of trafficking, that is what you could face? Just for that?
Sorry am i reading this right.

cheers

+1

Hi Beaner,

What you quoted was the State penalties for "commercial quantities".  These are much higher (i.e. if they are similar to the federal table, they would be half a kilo of MDMA or 2 kilos of cocaine).  The maximum (Vic) State penalty for 2.5g possessed for the purpose of selling is the maximum penalty is a jail term of 15 years or a fine of up to $240,000, or both.

In your scenario, if you IMPORTED 2.5g (a 'marketable quantity') and somehow had such a crap lawyer that they couldn't convince the court that you brought it in for personal use, technically you could face 25 years imprisonment or $550,000, or both. 

In reality, in your 2.5g scenario, you would receive a much smaller penalty.  These are only the maximums that can be imposed and would generally only be imposed for the upper end of the scale to someone who has a prior criminal history.
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: CX on November 12, 2012, 08:05 am
Thought I'd copy the table for state by state possession\trafficking amounts and some other info as well, and beaner it means you can be charged with that maximum however unlikely, but once you go past the possession limit the onus is on you to prove otherwise.

Didn't think this qualified as an [intel] post but I spent some time looking in legislation and was finding it a pain to get clear definition on my States' personal usage amounts. I stumbled across this review paper, current as of Aug 2011, and it contains a lot of relevant information so I thought I'd share. People need to be aware that the implications for prosecutions above these amounts scale sharply, and regulate their purchases accordingly. Note also the differences between pure amount thresholds and total. And man oh man is Tas whack!

http://www.dpmp.unsw.edu.au/DPMPWeb.nsf/resources/BULLETIN4/$file/DPMP+Bulletin+18+updated.pdf

Table 1: Thresholds for trafficable quantities of heroin, cocaine, amphetamine, methamphetamine and MDMA, by drug type and jurisdiction
1 Based on pure drug (excluding inert material).
Jurisdiction: Heroin Cocaine Amphetamine Meth-amphetamine MDMA
Vic1:               3g          3g                   3g             3g                      3g
Qld1               2g          2g                   2g             2g                      2g
ACT1              2g          2g                   2g             2g                      0.5
Tas               25g        25g                 25g           25g                    25g
NSW             3g           3g                   3g             3g                    0.75
SA                 2g           2g                   2g             2g                    0.5g
WA                2g          2g                   2g             2g                      2g
NT                 2g           2g                   2g             2g                    0.5g

Table 2 covers cannabis but I cbf formatting it, read the paper.

I can't speak for other states, but for Vic as I understand it, the 3g for MDMA is for both pure and mixed amounts because of Table 3 in Schedule 11 of the Act.  There's 2 columns, which the Law Handbook says the second column is for 'mixed' amounts even though both columns say 'pure' underneath them.  I guess this just stops lengthy arguments when the amount is near the edge.

According to the Law Handbook, drugs in powder form are no longer weighed in pure amounts. The relevant weight is now the weight of the whole mixture, including substances other than the drug. This table shows the traffickable quantities of common drugs (from the legislation):

(http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/thumbs/f86c1561b8e35762d11e72eda15abd8e.png) (http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=f86c1561b8e35762d11e72eda15abd8e.png)

I'm not sure, but I'm assuming the 0.75 'small' amount - anything under this won't result in any sort of conviction?  i.e. they have some no-conviction-drug-diversion program thing to stop small users having their lives ruined by a drug conviction.

The 3g does not automatically mean you get a conviction for trafficking - it means a prima facie case so that the burden of proof shifts to you to show that you had no intention to traffic.

Please correct me if I've misinterpreted this;

So there's no differentiating between pure drugs which have been crushed into a powdered form and powdered drugs which have been cut with something like glucose powder for example, so long as IT IS in POWDERED form and contains traces of a certain drug. The weight will yield the same quantity charge regardless, even if 95% of the powder turns out to be glucose or a legal powder used as a cutting agent. This, if I'm taking it in correctly sounds absurd and just plane lazy.
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: beaner on November 12, 2012, 08:25 am
great info thank you. something iv'e been wondering for a while now.

"Penalties for trafficking of commercial quantities are a maximum term of 25 years prison or a fine of $400,000, or both."

So for ordering say 2.5 g for the purpose of trafficking, that is what you could face? Just for that?
Sorry am i reading this right.

cheers

+1

Hi Beaner,

What you quoted was the State penalties for "commercial quantities".  These are much higher (i.e. if they are similar to the federal table, they would be half a kilo of MDMA or 2 kilos of cocaine).  The maximum (Vic) State penalty for 2.5g possessed for the purpose of selling is the maximum penalty is a jail term of 15 years or a fine of up to $240,000, or both.

In your scenario, if you IMPORTED 2.5g (a 'marketable quantity') and somehow had such a crap lawyer that they couldn't convince the court that you brought it in for personal use, technically you could face 25 years imprisonment or $550,000, or both. 

In reality, in your 2.5g scenario, you would receive a much smaller penalty.  These are only the maximums that can be imposed and would generally only be imposed for the upper end of the scale to someone who has a prior criminal history.

great thanks for clearing that up for me. :)
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: OzFreelancer on November 12, 2012, 08:41 am
Thought I'd copy the table for state by state possession\trafficking amounts and some other info as well, and beaner it means you can be charged with that maximum however unlikely, but once you go past the possession limit the onus is on you to prove otherwise.

Didn't think this qualified as an [intel] post but I spent some time looking in legislation and was finding it a pain to get clear definition on my States' personal usage amounts. I stumbled across this review paper, current as of Aug 2011, and it contains a lot of relevant information so I thought I'd share. People need to be aware that the implications for prosecutions above these amounts scale sharply, and regulate their purchases accordingly. Note also the differences between pure amount thresholds and total. And man oh man is Tas whack!

http://www.dpmp.unsw.edu.au/DPMPWeb.nsf/resources/BULLETIN4/$file/DPMP+Bulletin+18+updated.pdf

Table 1: Thresholds for trafficable quantities of heroin, cocaine, amphetamine, methamphetamine and MDMA, by drug type and jurisdiction
1 Based on pure drug (excluding inert material).
Jurisdiction: Heroin Cocaine Amphetamine Meth-amphetamine MDMA
Vic1:               3g          3g                   3g             3g                      3g
Qld1               2g          2g                   2g             2g                      2g
ACT1              2g          2g                   2g             2g                      0.5
Tas               25g        25g                 25g           25g                    25g
NSW             3g           3g                   3g             3g                    0.75
SA                 2g           2g                   2g             2g                    0.5g
WA                2g          2g                   2g             2g                      2g
NT                 2g           2g                   2g             2g                    0.5g

Table 2 covers cannabis but I cbf formatting it, read the paper.

I can't speak for other states, but for Vic as I understand it, the 3g for MDMA is for both pure and mixed amounts because of Table 3 in Schedule 11 of the Act.  There's 2 columns, which the Law Handbook says the second column is for 'mixed' amounts even though both columns say 'pure' underneath them.  I guess this just stops lengthy arguments when the amount is near the edge.

According to the Law Handbook, drugs in powder form are no longer weighed in pure amounts. The relevant weight is now the weight of the whole mixture, including substances other than the drug. This table shows the traffickable quantities of common drugs (from the legislation):

(http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/thumbs/f86c1561b8e35762d11e72eda15abd8e.png) (http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=f86c1561b8e35762d11e72eda15abd8e.png)

I'm not sure, but I'm assuming the 0.75 'small' amount - anything under this won't result in any sort of conviction?  i.e. they have some no-conviction-drug-diversion program thing to stop small users having their lives ruined by a drug conviction.

The 3g does not automatically mean you get a conviction for trafficking - it means a prima facie case so that the burden of proof shifts to you to show that you had no intention to traffic.

Please correct me if I've misinterpreted this;

So there's no differentiating between pure drugs which have been crushed into a powdered form and powdered drugs which have been cut with something like glucose powder for example, so long as IT IS in POWDERED form and contains traces of a certain drug. The weight will yield the same quantity charge regardless, even if 95% of the powder turns out to be glucose or a legal powder used as a cutting agent. This, if I'm taking it in correctly sounds absurd and just plane lazy.

That's what it seems to be.  Schedule 11 in austlii is unreadable, but if you look at this nice neat table put together by a criminal law firm (but warning, it's a clearweb PDF), it seems they make no distinction between cut and uncut powders:  www.criminal-lawyers.com.au/templates/doogue/files/DrugTable.pdf
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: OzFreelancer on November 12, 2012, 08:54 am
The Victorian Office of Public Prosecutions has this to say about maximum penalties:

Quote
Maximum penalties are rare

It is very rare for maximum penalties to be given in sentencing. Maximum penalties are legislated by the parliament and used by the courts as a reference point when sentencing. This means that judges can impose a sentence that is up to but not exceeding the maximum penalty and is consistent with other sentences previously given in similar cases.

In sentencing, the judge will take into account the impact of the crime on the victim. The Victim Impact Statement is one way they can do this. Other factors that will be taken into account include:

    the nature and seriousness of the crime
    the circumstances of the offender (age, background, prospects for rehabilitation)
    the offender’s past criminal history
    whether the offender pleaded guilty
    the need to deter the convicted offender from committing further crimes
    the need to deter others from committing similar crimes.

The judge will usually impose a maximum sentence and a minimum sentence. If there is more than one offence the maximum sentence is called the total effective sentence. The minimum sentence is called the non-parole period, which is the time served before the offender is eligible for parole. Any sentence will take into account time already served. This is known as pre-sentence detention.

An accused person may appeal against the severity of their sentence.

For more information about sentencing, visit the Sentencing Advisory Council at www.sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au

I will be attending the hearing of a Melbourne man caught importing via Silk Road on 30 January, so we should get a 'real life' indication of sentences then.  He entered a plea of guilty to all 10 charges in the Melbourne Magistrates court today and that early plea will be taken into account when he is being sentenced.
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: mode on November 12, 2012, 09:02 am
Nice thread, very informative
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: landmark on November 12, 2012, 09:23 am
We had an ex prisnor/drug dealer come to our school who was selling like a gazillion e pills a week or whatever and when he was in court he said the judge said something about how high the purity was of his pills and how that might of gave him a slightly longer sentence..? Who knows, anyway, I'm just saying that they might mention the purity of the pills powder your importing/moving.
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: geeza23 on November 12, 2012, 09:52 am

I will be attending the hearing of a Melbourne man caught importing via Silk Road on 30 January, so we should get a 'real life' indication of sentences then.  He entered a plea of guilty to all 10 charges in the Melbourne Magistrates court today and that early plea will be taken into account when he is being sentenced.

would you be able to provide some information on this hearing? i might be interested in checking it out too,  just to see what it'll be like

cheers
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: OzFreelancer on November 12, 2012, 10:37 am

I will be attending the hearing of a Melbourne man caught importing via Silk Road on 30 January, so we should get a 'real life' indication of sentences then.  He entered a plea of guilty to all 10 charges in the Melbourne Magistrates court today and that early plea will be taken into account when he is being sentenced.

would you be able to provide some information on this hearing? i might be interested in checking it out too,  just to see what it'll be like

cheers

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion.to/index.php?topic=24187.msg582528#msg582528

Make sure you come over and say hi ;)
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: geeza23 on November 12, 2012, 10:56 am

I will be attending the hearing of a Melbourne man caught importing via Silk Road on 30 January, so we should get a 'real life' indication of sentences then.  He entered a plea of guilty to all 10 charges in the Melbourne Magistrates court today and that early plea will be taken into account when he is being sentenced.

would you be able to provide some information on this hearing? i might be interested in checking it out too,  just to see what it'll be like

cheers

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion.to/index.php?topic=24187.msg582528#msg582528

Make sure you come over and say hi ;)

haha will do mate that's assuming i can try figure out your real identity by then :P
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: OzFreelancer on November 12, 2012, 11:02 am

I will be attending the hearing of a Melbourne man caught importing via Silk Road on 30 January, so we should get a 'real life' indication of sentences then.  He entered a plea of guilty to all 10 charges in the Melbourne Magistrates court today and that early plea will be taken into account when he is being sentenced.

would you be able to provide some information on this hearing? i might be interested in checking it out too,  just to see what it'll be like

cheers

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion.to/index.php?topic=24187.msg582528#msg582528

Make sure you come over and say hi ;)

haha will do mate that's assuming i can try figure out your real identity by then :P

My full name and photo can be found at my site: allthingsvice.com :)
Title: Re: Aussies: a rundown on drug laws and penalties
Post by: geeza23 on November 12, 2012, 12:01 pm

I will be attending the hearing of a Melbourne man caught importing via Silk Road on 30 January, so we should get a 'real life' indication of sentences then.  He entered a plea of guilty to all 10 charges in the Melbourne Magistrates court today and that early plea will be taken into account when he is being sentenced.

would you be able to provide some information on this hearing? i might be interested in checking it out too,  just to see what it'll be like

cheers

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion.to/index.php?topic=24187.msg582528#msg582528

Make sure you come over and say hi ;)

haha will do mate that's assuming i can try figure out your real identity by then :P

My full name and photo can be found at my site: allthingsvice.com :)

awesome, I'll definitely try and make it on the day. I think it'll be pretty cool to see what's going down on that end of things