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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Lumps on September 26, 2012, 12:46 am
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New, large listings. The seller has some legit feedback on small orders. FE now required, not just on large orders, on them all. Not that it likely matters.
That is a big red flag.
I didn't want to have to go dig up the 'chugadrug' thread, if he bails and I see a single thread on being scammed for FEing I'll fucking die. Absolutely nothing is stopping a random average Joe from getting decent feedback and then switching over and waiting for a big bite. Nothing. In fact if you all continue to FE, this route might be more profitable than legitimate business and that could really fuck up the silk road. Think about that and then think of the purpose of escrow and then finally contemplate real hard on what FE really means, because it has nothing to do with you receiving anything. You're giving away coins for free and you are not using silk road properly.
FE is disgusting. The feeling you sellers get when you see a buyer high refund rate and high auto finalize rate is the same feeling I (a perfect buyer) get when I see a listing requiring FE.
I have never ordered from this seller or contacted them. I just watch sellers. I am not claiming anything, just pointing out a red flag and a related trend. Maybe if some large FE orders go through (I will be surprised) people can post them here.
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Definitely seems like ChugADrug is back at it again, as you can see all of the listings are new and he's requiring FE for all of them, also he's manipulating feedback all of those listings have one buy and positive review and the listings just went up.
rating review freshness
5 of 5 One of the best. Ordered Thursday night, got it Saturday morning.
No one gets it out faster once you place your order 1 day
The listing was put up today so i don't get how they could of ordered Thursday night.
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It's sad but plenty of people here FE at the drop of a dime and this is what keeps vendors doing it. There shouldn't be any reason whatsoever for anyone to FE at all, absolutely none.
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I am a vendor without the option of asking people to FE. I cant yet.
But when I can you can bet your bottom dollar I will require if for all new accounts and any large orders..
Its crazy to have thousands of bucks frozen up...
Forget that!
FE is the way to go on new clients and big orders!
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Welp, I just ordered from him before reading this thread, I guess we will see how it goes.
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Welp, I just ordered from him before reading this thread, I guess we will see how it goes.
hope you didn't order allot and didnt FE
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Not going to FE. I've been here too long to think i'm going to scam you.
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I have every right to require FE on my products.
Here is the deal. It can take 2 to 3 weeks to turn BTC into actual cash in my account. Does not seem like much but when you add on 17 more days for people to finalize, thats over a month before I see a dime on someone I have sold on Silk Road. Granted it is by far NOT SR's fault but I reserve the right to operate my business my way. I am joining in with the 50 other vendors on here requiring it as well.
People like to point to their great stats but that does not change how long it takes to clear funds on our end. Unless there becomes a faster option, buyers and sellers will have to continue to struggle with this.
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Daaaaaaaaamn. I really hope this guy is legit, his listings are precisely the shit.
I messaged him before I saw this thread asking him if he'd be around for a while, he said yeah. Not sure if that changes anything for you guys.
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Vendors like yall won't get my $.
Vendors I deal with treat me right.
I would rather wait than get ripped off, or deal with whiny babies like yall.
A good friend once told me
" Demand FE, piss off, and die!
Ask for FE, better be good to me;) "
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well I would never ask anyone to FE I currently have a couple of $$$ out on parcels and slowly they come in and then it goes back out so really as Long as I can make some money here and keep my business going I am Happy but they really should do something with the way orders can be finalized especially if they pay for tracking #'s then you can verify the delivery and SR can finalize your sale for you
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Yeah BobMarleyz gotta say, your listings are tempting but I think I'm backing out because of finalizing early.
As long as you ship fast the buyer will finalize earlier and you get your coins faster.
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well thats not true about fast shipping I ship the next day and buyers have their parcels in 7-10 days depending on which continent they live on seems always my larger orders wait to auto-finalize and I have to wait the full 17 days
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I have every right to require FE on my products.
Here is the deal. It can take 2 to 3 weeks to turn BTC into actual cash in my account. Does not seem like much but when you add on 17 more days for people to finalize, thats over a month before I see a dime on someone I have sold on Silk Road. Granted it is by far NOT SR's fault but I reserve the right to operate my business my way. I am joining in with the 50 other vendors on here requiring it as well.
People like to point to their great stats but that does not change how long it takes to clear funds on our end. Unless there becomes a faster option, buyers and sellers will have to continue to struggle with this.
NOT an excuse. That is a seller problem, not an issue you need to put on your buyers. Perhaps you should sell independently and require a different form of payment than bitcoins? What if the price of coins goes up in three weeks when you cash out? You going to give back some money to your buyers? Doubtful.
Bitcoins fluctuate and that is a game we all play, buyers and sellers, that is something you must deal with using BTC. Fact is you can send items out promptly and have your coins in 2-3 days. Leave room in the price for fluctuation. I'd be willing to be you are 'chugadrug' and I'd bet my life you are about to bail. Too bad all these people FEing are ruining the road and creating a scamming breeding ground.
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well thats not true about fast shipping I ship the next day and buyers have their parcels in 7-10 days depending on which continent they live on seems always my larger orders wait to auto-finalize and I have to wait the full 17 days
Solution: Only sell domestically, and/or require internationals to FE makes more sense. Or take the loss and note and do not sell to this buyer again. Take time to create a solid customer/buyer base so that eventually you won't even need new customers. If it were up to me, my business plan would be able to handle it regardless.
That will only happen if your product is sound and service is good. It will take effort, customer service and time. But then again, this is a business your trying to profit off of so those things, to conduct good business, are kind of required. Why is it so hard for you sellers to think outside the box? Requiring FE for everyone isn't a easy solution, it's a temporary fix on a leak just waiting to explode. Scams will be everywhere. Do what you want but all it does is ruin the quality of the SR.
Sellers need to stop coming in with coins on their mind, I feel that is what most do. They don't think about the future or repercussions but only how they will cash out and how they will profit from each transaction rather than generate a stable profit from the system itself. I understand it, but it's still a red flag, it is still a sign your not trying to conduct business or have a future but your trying to get coins.
The sellers and scammers alike have every right to demand FE and that is not what is going to ruin the SR, what is is all these idiots buyers gladly FEing.
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Oh yeah, BobMarleyz is definitely preparing for a scam. Look at how all the feedback is written pretty much the same, and they all suggest trust. "I started small, and then went large." etc. I saw that, and came straight to the forums. Glad a thread was already started.
This is most likely chugadrug, or someone inspried by them.
What makes it most obvious is the modded xbox with any 8 games. Claims it's "Xbox Live Safe" which is complete bullshit. FE is required on this too.
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The pictures are pulled from Google Image search JUST LIKE CHUG A DRUG!
Check this one for Super Lemon Haze: [CLEARNET WARNING]
http://www.medicalmarijuanastrains.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/3517/104_5616.JPG
They have all these strains, but the background for each one is different!
THIS IS A SCAM!
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dam, fuk F.E thats the nature of sr if you dont like it dont use it again newbies fuk F.E thats what its set up for , If these vendors want busines s(yes thats why they joined) they gota abide by the rules
AGAIN NO F.E ON SILKROAD 8)
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I have every right to require FE on my products.
Here is the deal. It can take 2 to 3 weeks to turn BTC into actual cash in my account. Does not seem like much but when you add on 17 more days for people to finalize, thats over a month before I see a dime on someone I have sold on Silk Road. Granted it is by far NOT SR's fault but I reserve the right to operate my business my way. I am joining in with the 50 other vendors on here requiring it as well.
People like to point to their great stats but that does not change how long it takes to clear funds on our end. Unless there becomes a faster option, buyers and sellers will have to continue to struggle with this.
You're right. You do. And an externality of that will be the choice buyers have to buy their product from any other number of vendors. If you don't have the cash flow to sustain a vendor account on SR, then maybe it's time to take a step back and wait until you do. This is just my (unsolicited) advice. The administrative issues on the vendor side are just that - on the vendor side. As a buyer, I can tell you that I certainly don't give a fuck if you've got cash flow issues. You're not endearing yourself to anyone by saying that buyers have to struggle with this. It's the buyer's choice, just like the seller's. But I can certainly tell you that, based on the lack of humility in your response, I can't see myself purchasing from you.
I would FE under the right circumstances (e.g. if I ordered weight from John, as he mentioned), but the onus is on ME at that point that accept responsibility for what happens. I understand it takes time to clear your funds, but that's one of the reasons that vendors here charge a premium over "street prices". But there is no way I'm ever FE with a new vendor who is already raising red flags. Or any new vendor for that matter.
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PEOPLE! STOP HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH SCAMMER BOBMARLEYZ
There is nothing legit here, and nothing will work out for you!
THE IMAGES ARE PULLED FROM GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
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Why are people still ordering and FEing?
I will get banend from this place for flipping out on the first moron creating an "I got scammed" thread just because they willing sent free coins to someone.
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I have every right to require FE on my products.
Here is the deal. It can take 2 to 3 weeks to turn BTC into actual cash in my account. Does not seem like much but when you add on 17 more days for people to finalize, thats over a month before I see a dime on someone I have sold on Silk Road. Granted it is by far NOT SR's fault but I reserve the right to operate my business my way. I am joining in with the 50 other vendors on here requiring it as well.
People like to point to their great stats but that does not change how long it takes to clear funds on our end. Unless there becomes a faster option, buyers and sellers will have to continue to struggle with this.
You're right. You do. And an externality of that will be the choice buyers have to buy their product from any other number of vendors. If you don't have the cash flow to sustain a vendor account on SR, then maybe it's time to take a step back and wait until you do. This is just my (unsolicited) advice. The administrative issues on the vendor side are just that - on the vendor side. As a buyer, I can tell you that I certainly don't give a fuck if you've got cash flow issues. You're not endearing yourself to anyone by saying that buyers have to struggle with this. It's the buyer's choice, just like the seller's. But I can certainly tell you that, based on the lack of humility in your response, I can't see myself purchasing from you.
I would FE under the right circumstances (e.g. if I ordered weight from John, as he mentioned), but the onus is on ME at that point that accept responsibility for what happens. I understand it takes time to clear your funds, but that's one of the reasons that vendors here charge a premium over "street prices". But there is no way I'm ever FE with a new vendor who is already raising red flags. Or any new vendor for that matter.
Just wanted to say that my previous comment really only takes place with new buyers and new buyer large amounts..
any returning client of mine does not have to FE on most orders even LB's. 5 pounds for example... well that's a different story... Point being.. I don't support FE in all cases but I do support it when it comes to newbies.... you just cant trust them!!!
I also agree if you don't have some sort of float or at least the ability to front product from your people, this is not the game for you..
Also wanted to mention that I don't take into account time it takes to turn BTC to cash when I set my prices. If I did they would all be about 10% higher, but to be able to compete I don't add that 10% which costs me a little now but I think in the long run will pay dividends.
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Still hoping this guy is legit. He's still getting a bunch of FE'd orders... those people prolly don't look on the forums or just want to take the risk anyway. He's been getting some feedback today and it appears some of the orders are legit.
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Aaanddddd he's gone. Thanks to the SR staff for cleaning the filth from out gutters.
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Actually I did something stupid and was talking to someone about saving fees by dealing off SR. They came to me so I figured no big deal. I did not go around recruiting people. They wanted a better deal on product if done of SR. It was a setup but one of you forum Trolls.
If you need to contact me or want product, bobmarleyz@tormail.org
I do not need SR to conduct my business anyway.
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Pffff just what I thought. Go suck on a rusty nail with aids you fuck!
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I banned him on here too. :)
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I banned him on here too. :)
yeh ha ;)
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Well yano, may as well go for the set. :P
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Wow,I'm new to Sr and have just been window shopping the last 2weeks and i wanted to buy some blow and smoke for resale. I came across vendor coking for the coke and it was funny because i see in the forums where he won't answer others messages but he answered mine when i put bulk in the subject line. He said he still has blow and i told him i wasn't going to fe early and he didn't respond after that.
Next, I watched BobMarleyz listings and a couple others trying to decide who i would the smoke from being I'm looking to buy multiple Lbs. I seen the listing for every strain at $2800 per lb and said that's not bad, but if you paid attention all the feedback from the people who bought were 2 to 3 days on every lb listing. His half a lb was 1680. I know people who give good breaks if you buy the whole thing but $560 discount to buy the other half?? The price variance with the half oz to qp ratio was fishy also. If you can afford ten pounds of MEDICAL GRADE weed then you can afford 2-3 days of priority mail if your in the states. Glad it got picked up on quickly. But i believe in the next couple days your going to see a lot of people saying they got scammed. His whole page is down now and last nite their were a lot of people f/e on 7gs to qps. Everybody is just looking to rip each other off these days. Its so much money to be made if you deal straight. Its a shame. I'm a newbie an understand why the vendor wants to protect himself but there's precautions against this. The only thing i can see is if a person cancels their order after its shipped but why not just mark it in transit so they can't. And make people pay for tracking dcn on anything over $100 or even $50. I know this is time consuming but hey THIS IS THE BUSINESS WERE IN.
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Wow,I'm new to Sr and have just been window shopping the last 2weeks and i wanted to buy some blow and smoke for resale. I came across vendor coking for the coke and it was funny because i see in the forums where he won't answer others messages but he answered mine when i put bulk in the subject line. He said he still has blow and i told him i wasn't going to fe early and he didn't respond after that.
Next, I watched BobMarleyz listings and a couple others trying to decide who i would the smoke from being I'm looking to buy multiple Lbs. I seen the listing for every strain at $2800 per lb and said that's not bad, but if you paid attention all the feedback from the people who bought were 2 to 3 days on every lb listing. His half a lb was 1680. I know people who give good breaks if you buy the whole thing but $560 discount to buy the other half?? The price variance with the half oz to qp ratio was fishy also. If you can afford ten pounds of MEDICAL GRADE weed then you can afford 2-3 days of priority mail if your in the states. Glad it got picked up on quickly. But i believe in the next couple days your going to see a lot of people saying they got scammed. His whole page is down now and last nite their were a lot of people f/e on 7gs to qps. Everybody is just looking to rip each other off these days. Its so much money to be made if you deal straight. Its a shame. I'm a newbie an understand why the vendor wants to protect himself but there's precautions against this. The only thing i can see is if a person cancels their order after its shipped but why not just mark it in transit so they can't. And make people pay for tracking dcn on anything over $100 or even $50. I know this is time consuming but hey THIS IS THE BUSINESS WERE IN.
Good job studying before ordering.
However, I believe most of his feedback was most likely his own.
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But wouldn't he have to pay the sr fees for every product he buys of his own? And, vendors who require a signature on arrival or you get no refund>>what is that about. Who wants to sign for an illegal substance? That's the customer saying yes i trust this person sending me this has washed their hands every step of the way and changed gloves and vacuumed sealed everything and has took all precautions. If not your going to jail. You just signed for a narcotic in the mail. (I didn't mean to change the subject matter of the forum)
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Sure you did, sweetheart. What you did was get FUCKING OWNED!
SR Admin caught you just like I said they would. Shill buyer accounts, and using coupons to pretend people were actually paying.
The funny thing here is that I know you are Chugadrug, and yes YOU DO NEED SR! Your money from the last scam has run out. You are such a loser, that you have no real skills to offer the world. You lied to your friends and family as to where all that money came from. You felt pressure, and the only option was to scam SR again. Oops... didn't work out so well for you this time, did it?
We know you'll be back to try again, but you will get FUCKING OWNED again!
Actually I did something stupid and was talking to someone about saving fees by dealing off SR. They came to me so I figured no big deal. I did not go around recruiting people. They wanted a better deal on product if done of SR. It was a setup but one of you forum Trolls.
If you need to contact me or want product, bobmarleyz@tormail.org
I do not need SR to conduct my business anyway.
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Wasn't ChugADrug that loser who admitted to scamming so he could send his family to Disneyworld? Haha, I guess the suburban loser Dad ran out of money. Now his kids don't like him anymore and he needs more money to feed his fat wife.
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Very awesome to see the community bust this loser and send his scamming dumbass back to his parent's basement! Fuck these scammers, it's up to the community to keep SR going strong and making sure only the good vendors stay around! Nice job guys.
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I didn't read this whole thread, but it should be noted:
if BobMarleyz was scamming, it was selective scamming. I just received from him less than a week ago. I was actually thinking about using him again too :(
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I ordered a zip 4 personal/resale and it was hands down the best shit I've ever gotten on SR not a scammer but I definitely didn't FE I login to holla at him 4 the re-up account was down smh I was sooo happy I found the A1 after much trial and error
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This sounds similar to Mr. Yellow aka Maryjanesex?
Surpisingly Maryjanesex sent me pretty good bud and overweight too, even though it was sent like a week later than when it was supposed too..
Bobmarleyz was pretty rude when I messaged him through the road. A total jerk.
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I thought this was going to be MrYellow too...Did he ship from florida?
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Did BobMarleyz actually get his hands on any poor unsuspecting customers money?
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I thought this was going to be MrYellow too...Did he ship from florida?
Haha yes! MJE sent from the gunshine state aka FL
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Well im pretty sure i got scammed. I was stupid and F.E like he asked me too. I ordered 5 days ago and he said that it would be here today but i didnt get any packages. It was $975 for 4 oz's.
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I thought this was going to be MrYellow too...Did he ship from florida?
Haha yes! MJE sent from the gunshine state aka FL
I used them too and it was actually good weed. I also only ordered a little bit just to test them out and stayed in escrow, though. Shortly after the scamming started so I just went back to my regulars.
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He got me for $975. Oh well though, fool me once shame on me.
Wish I could find that loser though!
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I think he got me for 975
I ordered a qp of sour d 11 days ago. I FE after having never done so before.
Guess I just got excited and thought, hell he has some solid reviews and communicated with me well.
I think I was stupid and lulled.
Fuck.