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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: Mr Candy on August 08, 2013, 02:47 am

Title: Serviceman arrested in UK for selling ecstasy 'online'
Post by: Mr Candy on August 08, 2013, 02:47 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2385266/RAF-corporal-Scott-Cuckoo-jailed-selling-ecstasy-online-Afghanistan-tours.html

SR is not specifically mentioned.
Title: Re: Serviceman arrested in UK for selling ecstasy 'online'
Post by: jethro420247 on August 08, 2013, 02:53 am
Thanks for this posting. This is a good lesson for anyone using a fake name going to their home address. I would say this is why he got nailed.

From the article: "They each contained 50 ecstasy tablets and were labelled with the false name 'Mr S Coombes', the court heard."
Title: Re: Serviceman arrested in UK for selling ecstasy 'online'
Post by: Mr Candy on August 08, 2013, 03:13 am
Yes.  First impression it might seem like a good idea, but from reading this I realised that, if anything, you're digging yourself in a hole.  You can't say "someone's sending it to me to get it in for me", and if anything it's only going to raise suspicion.  The police are going to start thinking "Why is someone sending drugs to this address when no one here lives by that name? Is someone trying to cover something up here?".

I guess if you are going to use an alias, there needs to be a story behind it so you can give a plausible explanation to the police, rather than a random name.
Title: Re: Serviceman arrested in UK for selling ecstasy 'online'
Post by: Diceman on August 08, 2013, 03:19 am
I dont know the laws in the UK, but I would think if he denied it and refused a search that the prosecuter might have given him the benefit of the doubt based on his service record.
Title: Re: Serviceman arrested in UK for selling ecstasy 'online'
Post by: Mr Candy on August 08, 2013, 03:44 am
Honestly I suspect he HAS been treated leniently.  In the UK you can get 7-15 years for supplying Class A drugs (I may be mistaken on this) and there are a lot of determining factors.  For example, if you are just a petty street dealer, or selling it to your mates then you're going to get a much less severe sentence than a regional distributor.  I suppose because he's selling it online, and potentially in bulk from the sounds of it with the amount of substance that he had at the time, the police would consider it as a widespread operation.  Sentencing can depend on if it's a first time offence, social circumstances, and I'd imagine what the actual substance is.  I assume if he was selling heroin and not ecstasy he'd be far more severely punished.  From what I gather from the article, from the judges statement, the fact that he'd been using it as a coping mechanism during his service, and from that it had somehow warped into him selling it, was taken into consideration in their judgement.
Title: Re: Serviceman arrested in UK for selling ecstasy 'online'
Post by: Diceman on August 08, 2013, 03:48 am
wow that's harsh. 139 pills and about an ounce of the stuff is obviously an amount that will draw a dealing charge, but in the grand scheme of things isn't really that much.
Title: Re: Serviceman arrested in UK for selling ecstasy 'online'
Post by: xxdionysusxx on August 08, 2013, 07:12 am
I hate these kinds of stories because I love SR  :'(
Title: Re: Serviceman arrested in UK for selling ecstasy 'online'
Post by: oldskoolhead on August 08, 2013, 07:19 am
yeah in the uk u can get a fair bit of time just for having 10 pills and its just the same as for heroin they dont differenciate class a is class a in fact you could probably get off lighter if it was h saying you had a habbit and needed help
Title: Re: Serviceman arrested in UK for selling ecstasy 'online'
Post by: jethro420247 on August 08, 2013, 11:16 pm
I hate these kinds of stories because I love SR  :'(

Yeah I don't like these stories either because I hate a good hard working person is thrown to the wolves for something that shouldn't be illegal. However it's always a great opportunity to look at the situation and discover where he went wrong (ie fake name) to help aid your future decision making. More than likely he got flagged because of suspicious behavior that had he researched further would have maybe kept him out of trouble.
Title: Re: Serviceman arrested in UK for selling ecstasy 'online'
Post by: toweringjack on August 08, 2013, 11:37 pm
:(
Title: Re: Serviceman arrested in UK for selling ecstasy 'online'
Post by: Rocknessie on August 08, 2013, 11:48 pm
I was thinking of buying some Supermen from the Netherlands.

This has made me rethink.

Any NL vendors out there who have sent 3 shipments and the Customer is suddenly offline? Or recognise the drop name?
Title: Re: Serviceman arrested in UK for selling ecstasy 'online'
Post by: Rocknessie on August 08, 2013, 11:51 pm
There is no evidence this is due to a fake name. Names are not really checked in the UK for delivery, unlike America (or so I have heard).

Perhaps due to poor NL stealth? Sheer bad luck with package profiling?
Title: Re: Serviceman arrested in UK for selling ecstasy 'online'
Post by: justaperson on August 09, 2013, 12:35 am
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'The defendant made it clear he was involved in the matter and was arrested. A large quantity of ecstasy tablets and powder were found.'
Sounds like if he had just denied everything and didn't let them in to his home he probably would have been okay. If they had enough evidence then they would have executed a search warrant instead of just questioning him at his residence. Pity.
Title: Re: Serviceman arrested in UK for selling ecstasy 'online'
Post by: Rocknessie on August 09, 2013, 10:07 am
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'The defendant made it clear he was involved in the matter and was arrested. A large quantity of ecstasy tablets and powder were found.'
Sounds like if he had just denied everything and didn't let them in to his home he probably would have been okay. If they had enough evidence then they would have executed a search warrant instead of just questioning him at his residence. Pity.

In the UK police do not require a warrant if they have "reasonable suspicion". And even if their suspicion is, frankly, unreasonable courts back the police up. But before we go there pills being sent to an address is certainly suspicious. The UK is not the US in such matters, I'm afraid.

Certainly if you're going to import hard drugs it seems to make sense to (a) keep TOR on a stick (b) hide that memory stick off-site between deliveries (c) ensure there is nothing else dodgy on your PC (hardcore porn, torrents, anything) (d) clean house of all gear between deliveries.

If he had denied they were for him, if they searched his house and found nothing, and if he maintained blanket ignorance he'd have had a fighting chance... because there would have been no evidence to link him to any crime.