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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: MightyMouse on June 11, 2012, 02:38 pm

Title: VPN advice
Post by: MightyMouse on June 11, 2012, 02:38 pm
Anyone care to point in me the direction of a VPN service thats KNOWN NOT to keep LOGS and takes BT?
Title: Re: VPN advice
Post by: ManaFromHeaven on June 14, 2012, 01:20 am
VPN is actually a great idea especially from countries with great privacy laws.  All TOR traffic comes in and out from the VPN and local ISP has no idea you're using TOR.
Title: Re: VPN advice
Post by: oscarzululondon on June 14, 2012, 01:22 am
Anyone care to point in me the direction of a VPN service thats KNOWN NOT to keep LOGS and takes BT?

I'm not aware of one, offhand.  Please bear in mind that, boiled-down, a VPN is essentially a one-hop, encrypted proxy. As such, using them is quite risky. I wouldn't be caught dead using one, frankly.

Guru

Why wouldn't you be caught dead using one? Every vendor here should be using one with the Tor for extra security.
Title: Re: VPN advice
Post by: kmfkewm on June 14, 2012, 01:54 am
Much better off using obfsproxy than a VPN
Title: Re: VPN advice
Post by: MightyMouse on June 14, 2012, 08:45 am
yes sorry, id be useing the VPN with TOR. Just getting tired of wardriveing just to check the email n would like the ability to use a connection located closer is all
Title: Re: VPN advice
Post by: mooshroom on June 14, 2012, 11:56 am
These are the only answers for this kind of question:

www.WeDoKeepLogsBehindYourBack-VPN.com
www.WeWereSafeUntilNow-VPN.com
www.Honeypot-VPN.com


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When the Secret Service discovered his central role in the carding community, the agency cut him loose and put him to work undercover on the site, where he lured his associates into using a supposedly secure VPN for their internet traffic, which was actually wiretapped by the Secret Service’s New Jersey office.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/tjx-sentencing/

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=18058.0
Title: Re: VPN advice
Post by: MightyMouse on June 14, 2012, 12:49 pm
ok let me rephrase it all

what i need is a VPN that takes BT (shell..duh?), that has the best track record of being low key/most amount of people (saftey in #'s, dedicated IP my dick), BEST possible speed.

XYZ WiFi+VPN+TOR is the goal.

just rather touch n pay for one that preaches "hey your safe" n is more less on point.
Its not like imabout to DL 100gb+ of CP or w.e

id rather NOT alert a ISP is all n hey, smile your on canded IP log right?
Title: Re: VPN advice
Post by: Meister on June 14, 2012, 01:54 pm
Much better off using obfsproxy than a VPN

I've seen this mentioned on another forum but I'm hesitant to use since they don't keep it updated, even the download page says, "Note that these bundles are not maintained currently — for example, they include DNS leaks and old insecure versions of Firefox. We're working on automating the build process. Stay tuned!"

Does that not worry you? Or did you use the source code instead of the bundle?
Title: Re: VPN advice
Post by: mooshroom on June 14, 2012, 03:52 pm
Much better off using obfsproxy than a VPN

I've seen this mentioned on another forum but I'm hesitant to use since they don't keep it updated, even the download page says, "Note that these bundles are not maintained currently — for example, they include DNS leaks and old insecure versions of Firefox. We're working on automating the build process. Stay tuned!"

Does that not worry you? Or did you use the source code instead of the bundle?

I'm with you on that one.
Title: Re: VPN advice
Post by: BigEasy on August 28, 2012, 06:08 pm
Much better off using obfsproxy than a VPN

kmfkewm, can you explain more why you feel that Tor obfsproxy is better than VPN (or Tor over VPN) ?

Title: Re: VPN advice
Post by: kmfkewm on August 29, 2012, 11:44 am
Much better off using obfsproxy than a VPN

kmfkewm, can you explain more why you feel that Tor obfsproxy is better than VPN (or Tor over VPN) ?

First I don't know the state of the implementation of obfsproxy so if they say it is still no ready for use then this is probably the case. That said, using a VPN may hide that you are connecting to IP addresses associated with Tor, but it does not hide the fact that you are using an anonymity service. Furthermore, obfsproxy applies steganography of a sort to disguise the size of packets, Tor packets being very identifiable even if they are not being sent to known Tor node IP addresses. A VPN does not do this.
Title: Re: VPN advice
Post by: BigEasy on August 30, 2012, 05:45 pm
OBFS is perfectly ready for use, the tor people just posted that warning because they don't bother releasing updated browser bundles containing it. if you compile obfs yourself and drop it into whatever you're using now, you'll be fine

They have released some compiled versions for people: https://www.torproject.org/projects/obfsproxy.html.en

EDIT: These compiled versions are out of date and have some serious problems like DNS leaks (https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/5937) Hopefully they will be updated soon or the OBSF will be built in to Vidalia as an option. Building from source may fix this?

RE: VPN providers that accept btc:

http://www.bestvpnservice.com/blog/vpn-providers-with-bitcoins/
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade#Connectivity

RE: VPN's that DON'T keep logs, well shoot I really wouldn't trust any of them (like CoverMyAss turning over logs of Anonymous members).  They will have the IP you connect from.


Title: Re: VPN advice
Post by: bracken2 on August 31, 2012, 12:13 am
I use feralhosting, £20 per month for GB BT connection and OpenVPN that sits on top of TOR,when I can be bothered with it, seems a little overkill. But I do use OpenVPN when wanting to bypass blocks (piratebay, newzbine, e.g.) or anything semi dodgy.

Their site is full of step by step set ups, haven't had a problem with them in 6 months. All your ISP is seeing a lot of encrypted FTP (or none if want change it time to time) between you and hosting company. Makes me feel little safer than just BT but for little I download not great value for money. What is great is seeing Breaking  Bad when they don't show here in UK.
Title: Re: VPN advice
Post by: BigEasy on August 31, 2012, 02:29 am
After doing some more research on the current OBSF TBB's.  I see that these compiled versions are out of date and have some serious problems like DNS leaks (https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/5937)

Hopefully they will be updated soon or the OBSF will be built in to Vidalia as an option. Building from source may fix this? Shannon do you know?
Title: Re: VPN advice
Post by: wizdom on August 31, 2012, 05:22 am
Hey let me ask one of you big-brain types out there.

Why can't I just get a dedicated server from rackspace or somewhere and sell VPN's on it?

Well because I can't admin, but besides that,  how many VPN's could I push through a simple BDS or whatever box?

Probably a lot...

And I sure as fuck wouldn't keep any logs!

Modzi
Title: Re: VPN advice
Post by: Miss Sixty on August 31, 2012, 08:44 am
Current Tor Browser Bundle
Code: [Select]
tor-browser-2.2.38-2_en-US.exe

Tor 0.2.2.38
Firefox 10.0.6esr
HTTPS Everywhere  2.1

Vidalia  0.2.20
Torbutton  1.4.6
NoScript  2.5
OpenSSL 1.0.1c
Libevent 2.0.19-stable
zlib 1.2.7

Current Obfsproxy Tor Browser Bundle
Code: [Select]
tor-obfsproxy-browser-2.3.20-alpha-1_en-US.exe

Tor 0.2.3.20-rc
Firefox  14.0.1
HTTPS Everywhere 3.0development.5

Vidalia 0.2.20
Torbutton 1.4.6
NoScript 2.5
OpenSSL 1.0.1c
libevent 2.0.19-stable
zlib to 1.2.7