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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: PermanentlySpun on August 14, 2012, 04:46 am
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Let me begin with a disclaimer that I have never used Changa, nor smoked DMT before aquiring this. I have some experience with legit ayahuasca and used that in a traditional shaman guided ceremony. I loaded up a 3 foot bong with a bit over the recomended dose as adivised by the vendor(about 200mg's), my gf followed with the recommended 150mg's. Both of us torched it down in one big hit, held it in, and blasted off. From what I've read about changa from other vendors, this must be a very potent mix, as both of us completely left our bodies momentarily from one hit. A "breakthrough" as I understand it. I got a very vivid vision of a seated buddha(did he somehow imprint a logo in it?;) floating amid a nebula in a bright yellow energy field. As I came back to my body, there was a whirlwind of madness that revealed the truth behind the material world, or something like that. In any case it was the most intense DMT experience I've had so far.
The unfornate part is that what followed, was a wretched state of headache and dizziness, what felt very very bad brain-wise, which seems uncharacteristic of Changa or DMT. My girlfriend has has similar symptoms. I've been reading up on it online, and it seems that it could have been the small amount of blue cheese that I had that day, or the couple of pints of beer I had at lunch, which was at least 7 hours prior to our Changa session. As I sit here writing this I feel like my mind was raped, I suspect it must be the MAOI's that caused it, perhaps in combination with that intense trip. The literature out there paints a really really nasty picture, with even cerebral hemorraging from mixing up fermented foods with MAOI's. Buddhanature says his changa uses Syrian Rue, which is a reversable MAOI. I guess it's just that one would assume the half life of smoked Syrian Rue is relatively small and shouldn't cause such problems. Does anyone out there have experience with this? It seems this mixture is a rare one, and support and information out there is limited. Only a few Errowid entries for example. Perhaps Buddhanature could comment? I suppose he's had a decent amount of his own changa in a variety of conditions.
A bit of a bummer because ayahuasca feels like a friggin essential nutrient. Days after the ceremonies I felt wellness and warmth. I suppose I expected something similar from changa, not as good, but at least not a damaging feeling.
Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, BuddhaNature has been great with answering direct messages and was very fast with delivery. Seems to be the best supplier of Changa on the road.
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Alright well my first recommendation is definitely NOT to take it all in one hit. I've only ever witnessed one person take an entire dose in one hit, and they ended up rolling around on the ground yelling gibberish.
They say take it in 3 hits for a reason. A come up like a full dose of DMT all at once is intimidating and overwhelming. You want the trip to set in as "pleateaus." This is why most people recommend three hits.
Also, I wouldn't go over my recommended dose of 150mg. 50mg of DMT is more than enough for anyone to break through. I can break through on as little as 20mg, but admittedly I've broken through at least 100 times now, so that may be a factor.
Try it again but this time don't be so brazen about it. Take just a small hit and see what happens. Once you become acclimated to it, take another. Dosing with changa is less time-sensitive than DMT.
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Not to hijack this thread, but that is great advice to know Buddah. This also might be relevant to others. I just received my 1.5g order from you and am trying it tonight with three friends. I was about to torch all 150 mg. in a single hit, but now I know not to. Should I hit a third of the bowl first, wait a few minutes, then another third, and so on? How long should one wait before re-hitting the dose?
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I wouldn't really say you should time it out.
Take a nice (not huge!) hit, hold it in, exhale, and wait a few second. It'll start to kick in and you'll see what it's like. Then once you feel ready go for another hit.
If I had to guess, maybe a 15-20 second pause is about what I'd do.
*DON'T* take ridiculously big hits of DMT! I've given DMT to hundreds of people and it never goes well when they think they can champ it!
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Thanks for your reply and your advice, Buddhanature. It was a newby mistake. Really should have taken it slow, especially with something new like that.
In your experience have you had issues with the whole tyramine contaning food interaction with MAOI's with your syrian rue blend? It seems like what I've seen online suggests that when smoked, it leaves your system pretty fast, but both my girlfriend and I seem to be having issues now 5 days later. The headaches lasted for days and still are happening now and then. Still reeling from the experience, perhaps, but I'm wondering what your take on that is. Is this stuff particularly loaded with rue extract? Maybe its just the after effects of a stupid strong dmt trip? Have you ever had a bad hangover from it or known other people to?
Yes, people, learn from my mistake! If I could go back in time I would take the smallest baby steps ever. 150mg's is a very small bowl pack, and fuck hitting that shit out of a bong again, way more than necessary. I'd much rather have a much mellower experience and ease my way into it. This stuff is potent.
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herpderp25, would you mind posting a review of your experience?