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Title: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: Thetruthseeker1234 on September 18, 2013, 03:49 am
Before anyone says anything, I understand the rules and I am in no way offering anyone counterfeit money, nor am I speaking about spreading it via the Silk Road.

Basically, here is the situation.  I have been doing business with someone for 2 years.

The long and short of it is he paid me with 25,000$ in 100's USD, that I believed to be 100% legitimate bills.
I tried depositing a few of them, and it turns out they are counterfeit. What is known as supernotes. I of coarse tried to find him, yet it would seem he has disappeared. Along with my product.

I need to somehow get rid of this money and have the most amount possible. So I can hopefully forget about this situation as soon as possible.

I can't get rid of it just by spending as that would literally take years. Passing bills here and there would keep me in this bad situation. I thought about selling them on BMR, but unfortunately from the rates counterfeits go for on there, my 25k will turn into, ~7k.

Anyone have any ideas or am I pretty much screwed? Honestly a website like zoklet bad ideas would be the place for this, but unfortunately they don't allow new registration.

IF YOUR GOING TO COMMENT JUST TO DENY THE LEGITIMACY OF THE POST, THEN DON'T BOTHER
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: cryngie on September 18, 2013, 03:59 am
How good fakes are they? Can you see they are fake now you know? How did the bank tell they were fakes?

Do you have a friend overseas you can trust? Send to them get them to exchange it

Send to someone through WU or equal then get them to send your % back

These are a few off the top of my head give me a while Ill come up with more



Ps   I live in Aus wink wink nudge nudge
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: Jack N Hoff on September 18, 2013, 04:03 am
They are not supernotes if you or a bank could tell they are fake.  Supernotes are higher quality than real bills.
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: TA on September 18, 2013, 04:22 am
Hire me to find that fucker.....
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: BoxofShapes on September 18, 2013, 04:50 am
Hire me to find that fucker.....

I'd bring one of those counterfeit pens to check the bills, if you get the job. 
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: TA on September 18, 2013, 04:55 am
I'll take the counterfeit bills as payment, lol
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: Jack N Hoff on September 18, 2013, 07:17 am
Hire me to find that fucker.....

I'd bring one of those counterfeit pens to check the bills, if you get the job.

Real supernotes are made with the same paper so one of those pens would be 100% useless.  They also have color changing ink and the red and blue fibers.  Real supernotes can be spent anywhere without a problem.
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: kmfkewm on September 18, 2013, 08:17 am
There is no such thing as more high quality than a real note. The goal of counterfeit money is to pass as real money. If it is "better" than real money it can be told apart. Man made diamonds are less flawed than real diamonds, and this lets them be identified by skilled jewelers. Supernote can be identified as well, but only by top experts after very careful examination. Very unlikely this guy has supernotes if his bank identified them.
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: Jack N Hoff on September 18, 2013, 08:27 am
There is no such thing as more high quality than a real note. The goal of counterfeit money is to pass as real money. If it is "better" than real money it can be told apart. Man made diamonds are less flawed than real diamonds, and this lets them be identified by skilled jewelers. Supernote can be identified as well, but only by top experts after very careful examination. Very unlikely this guy has supernotes if his bank identified them.

You are wrong.  Supernotes have higher detail.  The CIA blows them up very large at the details of the notes with magnifying glasses to tell them apart from legitimate notes.
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: Jack N Hoff on September 18, 2013, 08:30 am
There is no such thing as more high quality than a real note. The goal of counterfeit money is to pass as real money. If it is "better" than real money it can be told apart. Man made diamonds are less flawed than real diamonds, and this lets them be identified by skilled jewelers. Supernote can be identified as well, but only by top experts after very careful examination. Very unlikely this guy has supernotes if his bank identified them.

You are wrong.  Supernotes have higher detail.  The CIA blows them up very large at the details of the notes with magnifying glasses to tell them apart from legitimate notes.

I have actually posted about this on this forum multiple times and cited sources.  I guess you just never ran across one of my posts.

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Though there is some dispute on the timing, the first counterfeit big-head supernotes might have arrived on the market as early as 1998. Like the earlier generation of supernotes, the big-head imitations show an ever-growing attention to detail. “They would certainly fool me,” said Glaser, who points out that the “defects” of the supernote are arguably improvements. He recalled looking at the back of a $100 supernote under a magnifying glass and noticing that the hands on the clock tower of Independence Hall were sharper on the counterfeit than on the genuine.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/23/magazine/23counterfeit.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: kmfkewm on September 18, 2013, 08:31 am
There is no such thing as more high quality than a real note. The goal of counterfeit money is to pass as real money. If it is "better" than real money it can be told apart. Man made diamonds are less flawed than real diamonds, and this lets them be identified by skilled jewelers. Supernote can be identified as well, but only by top experts after very careful examination. Very unlikely this guy has supernotes if his bank identified them.

You are wrong.  Supernotes have higher detail.  The CIA blows them up very large at the details of the notes with magnifying glasses to tell them apart from legitimate notes.

quality != detail
sharper != higher quality
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: Jack N Hoff on September 18, 2013, 08:33 am
There is no such thing as more high quality than a real note. The goal of counterfeit money is to pass as real money. If it is "better" than real money it can be told apart. Man made diamonds are less flawed than real diamonds, and this lets them be identified by skilled jewelers. Supernote can be identified as well, but only by top experts after very careful examination. Very unlikely this guy has supernotes if his bank identified them.

You are wrong.  Supernotes have higher detail.  The CIA blows them up very large at the details of the notes with magnifying glasses to tell them apart from legitimate notes.

quality != detail
sharper != higher quality

Yes, the image quality on supernotes is higher.
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: kmfkewm on September 18, 2013, 08:34 am
high quality counterfeit would generally be taken to mean a counterfeit that is passable as the real thing, with a higher quality counterfeit being more passable than a lower quality counterfeit, and a higher quality counterfeit requiring more skilled experts / tools to differentiate it from real notes. Thus it seems nonsensical to say a counterfeit can be higher quality than a real note, since being anything that differentiates it from a real note would make it identifiable and thus not a perfect quality counterfeit. I didn't realize you were talking about the quality of the images printed onto the notes, I thought you meant the quality of the counterfeit notes.
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: Jack N Hoff on September 18, 2013, 08:38 am
high quality counterfeit would generally be taken to mean a counterfeit that is passable as the real thing, with a higher quality counterfeit being more passable than a lower quality counterfeit, and a higher quality counterfeit requiring more skilled experts / tools to differentiate it from real notes. Thus it seems nonsensical to say a counterfeit can be higher quality than a real note, since being anything that differentiates it from a real note would make it identifiable and thus not a perfect quality counterfeit. I didn't realize you were talking about the quality of the images printed onto the notes, I thought you meant the quality of the counterfeit notes.

The US government says that the image quality on supernotes is of higher quality and with more detail than real US notes.  Please check out the link that I posted and do your own research.

I do agree that it was not the best idea to make the counterfeit notes have a higher quality image.  I would assume that it was not done on purpose.  I would assume that they just accidentally etched the plates with higher detail than the US government did.
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: theanonprincessnikki on September 18, 2013, 08:40 am
Sweeite,I say go for the short coming of the 7k and just call your luck short unless you can find something better :/ That scumbag did you wrong I hope you mend thru this well (financially ) good luck!

-Nikki!
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: kmfkewm on September 18, 2013, 08:50 am
high quality counterfeit would generally be taken to mean a counterfeit that is passable as the real thing, with a higher quality counterfeit being more passable than a lower quality counterfeit, and a higher quality counterfeit requiring more skilled experts / tools to differentiate it from real notes. Thus it seems nonsensical to say a counterfeit can be higher quality than a real note, since being anything that differentiates it from a real note would make it identifiable and thus not a perfect quality counterfeit. I didn't realize you were talking about the quality of the images printed onto the notes, I thought you meant the quality of the counterfeit notes.

The US government says that the image quality on supernotes is of higher quality and with more detail than real US notes.  Please check out the link that I posted and do your own research.

I do agree that it was not the best idea to make the counterfeit notes have a higher quality image.  I would assume that it was not done on purpose.  I would assume that they just accidentally etched the plates with higher detail than the US government did.

You didn't say the image quality is higher, you said that supernotes are higher quality than real notes. I took this to mean that it is more likely that a real note would be detected as counterfeit than it is that a supernote would be. I didn't know you were talking about image quality, because you never said the image is higher quality you said supernotes are higher quality than real notes.
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: kmfkewm on September 18, 2013, 08:54 am
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They are not supernotes if you or a bank could tell they are fake.  Supernotes are higher quality than real bills.

See, I took these two sentences to be related. I didn't realize you said

1. They are not supernotes if you or a bank could tell they are fake.
2. Supernotes have higher quality image than real bills.

I thought you said

They are not supernotes if you or a bank could tell they are fake, [because] supernotes are higher quality than real bills (after all if they have sharper images than real bills then a bank can tell they are fake by blowing them up right?)
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: Jack N Hoff on September 18, 2013, 09:00 am
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They are not supernotes if you or a bank could tell they are fake.  Supernotes are higher quality than real bills.

See, I took these two sentences to be related. I didn't realize you said

1. They are not supernotes if you or a bank could tell they are fake.
2. Supernotes have higher quality image than real bills.

I thought you said

They are not supernotes if you or a bank could tell they are fake, [because] supernotes are higher quality than real bills (after all if they have sharper images than real bills then a bank can tell they are fake by blowing them up right?)

I understand now.  Simple miscommunication. :)
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: Thetruthseeker1234 on September 18, 2013, 02:50 pm
Honestly when comparing these bills side by side with real money, I can't tell the difference. Iv never seen fake money like this. The bills were caught because of an issue with the serial numbers. Also, just as added info, the bank wouldn't give me the bills back and police were called etc...

Assuming the bills I perfect, any ideas on passing all of them? The western union idea sounds plausible. The thing is that when the store goes to deposit the money into the bank, it would come up counterfeit, and I could see serious problems with my fingerprints all over the money. Unless I somehow where gloves when I hand over the money to western union?
I would use fake ID to send the money, which wouldn't be an issue, as iv sent money via western union with fake ID before.
Is there a limit on transactions?

Only plausible thing I could think of is going into a western union wearing:
http://www.spfxmasks.com/ourmasks.php

And sending it all to a bitcoin vendor that accepts western union.
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: Yoda on September 18, 2013, 04:50 pm
Honestly when comparing these bills side by side with real money, I can't tell the difference. Iv never seen fake money like this. The bills were caught because of an issue with the serial numbers. Also, just as added info, the bank wouldn't give me the bills back and police were called etc...

Assuming the bills I perfect, any ideas on passing all of them? The western union idea sounds plausible. The thing is that when the store goes to deposit the money into the bank, it would come up counterfeit, and I could see serious problems with my fingerprints all over the money. Unless I somehow where gloves when I hand over the money to western union?
I would use fake ID to send the money, which wouldn't be an issue, as iv sent money via western union with fake ID before.
Is there a limit on transactions?

Only plausible thing I could think of is going into a western union wearing:
http://www.spfxmasks.com/ourmasks.php

And sending it all to a bitcoin vendor that accepts western union.

If the bank caught these... I'm pretty sure the WU will as well, no?
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: anonypunk on September 18, 2013, 05:30 pm
If you could mail them to an address in another country and use it to buy something there. Then return with what you bought that seems like it would work. I'm sure you've thought of a million different things by now though.

Before the big head bills came out I used to make my own money. Remember those 20's before the strip was included? Not going into detail but it worked for everything I needed to on the street at the time. Spent it at raves and on lots and lots of drugs. Also at strip clubs and bars and never heard a peep.

**Please don't judge me on that. I was young and stupid at the time. ***
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: sothh on September 18, 2013, 08:27 pm
Drip superglue on your fingertips, wait for it to dry and you won't live fingerprints.

Go to a used car dealer and buy a car.  They are hungry for cash and will take it by the buckets.  Then resell the car, or if you need money fast have it scrapped.  You will only need to do this a few times to get rid of all the money.

I would do it out of state.
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: JohnTheBaptist on September 18, 2013, 09:06 pm
You're going to have to hit the street and pull some moves, a kilo here a kilo there and pay cash, of course the street dealers aren't going to be able to spot them are they??
Then you open a vendor account and sell the product you purchased with your fakes  ;)
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: weok83r8fd on September 18, 2013, 09:44 pm
try taking them to ecuador or el salvador and making it rain down there.
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: wackmanblu on September 20, 2013, 09:09 pm
Just a thought - put glue on your fingertips, wait for it to dry, go to a casino or two "disguised" - meaning wearing different clothes than you usually would, maybe fake mustache and facial moles, trade the bills for chips and cash out an hour later?
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: Thetruthseeker1234 on September 20, 2013, 10:31 pm
Just a thought - put glue on your fingertips, wait for it to dry, go to a casino or two "disguised" - meaning wearing different clothes than you usually would, maybe fake mustache and facial moles, trade the bills for chips and cash out an hour later?
I was just at a casino and they put the money through a cash machine which checks it. I'm assuming it wouldn't work.
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: wackmanblu on September 20, 2013, 11:12 pm
I was just at a casino and they put the money through a cash machine which checks it. I'm assuming it wouldn't work.

Yeah, you're probably right. Scratch the casino. Unless you know of a lax outfit that may not always use sophisticated bill checkers, maybe try using one bill mixed with legit bills and see what happens.
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: Thetruthseeker1234 on September 21, 2013, 01:41 am
I was just at a casino and they put the money through a cash machine which checks it. I'm assuming it wouldn't work.

Yeah, you're probably right. Scratch the casino. Unless you know of a lax outfit that may not always use sophisticated bill checkers, maybe try using one bill mixed with legit bills and see what happens.
One at a time 250 times is way to long to get rid of all this.
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: TA on September 21, 2013, 04:31 am
Yea casinos are a huge no go. Esp the ones in Vegas. Cameras covering every square inch, facial recognition, and some high speed software that pics up on biometrics of people that are nervous/doing shady shit.
Title: Re: What to do with 25,000$ counterfeit money? Asshole paid me with Monopoly money
Post by: wackmanblu on September 21, 2013, 02:50 pm
what about a casino on an Indian reservation or Niagara or some non-Vegas place. Try one bill mixed in, if you get away with it try more at a time.