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Title: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: iaskquestion on July 11, 2013, 01:33 am
What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: saulgood on July 11, 2013, 01:43 am
From some of what I've read about 2C-B, it seems somewhat like that. But I've never done it myself. Supposedly one of Alex Shulgin's favorites though..
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: bolorolo on July 11, 2013, 02:55 am
great question. in to see the suggestions
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: tuna on July 11, 2013, 01:06 pm
this is just a definition of 25i nbome
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: remoulade on July 11, 2013, 02:32 pm
4-AcO-DET was almost exclusively visual for me with my 3 or 4 experiences with it. I can highly recommend it with some good amphetamine.

2C-B is certainly not the biggest headfuck, neither is 25i-NBOMe, but I don't know anyone who's taken them without feeling outside of themselves. I have extensive experience with both substances. Perhaps at up to ~15mg 2C-B you can enjoy the visuals without things becoming too strange, but should avoid 25i-NBOMe entirely if you can...
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: connoisseur on July 11, 2013, 03:50 pm
iTunes visualizer.
all other entheogens are too serious as a replacement for cinema.
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: zipstyle on July 12, 2013, 07:23 am
Hmm... 4-AcO-DET, you say remoulade?
I'll have to give that a go sometime then.

For me, I'd have to go with 2c-e as it's pretty easy on the mind and lovely on the visuals.
I've heard that 2c-i is also really visual with less mental stuff, but I've heard that it's often underwhelming as far as psychedelics go.
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: HenryC0833 on July 12, 2013, 02:02 pm
I think the term "fuck" is self explanatory, he's looking for the Matchdotcom of the mind.  I agree RC's are the way to go, if he's not retarded and/or can measure 25mg accurately.  2Ci will probably meet his needs, really any of the 2C's
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: BlackIris on July 12, 2013, 03:55 pm
DMT definatelly does that

DMT will seemingly leave your reasoning intact (but also in this case only seemingly: if you notice correctly it exists only the present) but it will also disintegrate a part of your ego: prefrontal lobes are disengaged in order for the more instinctive parts of the brain to deal with what's happening. This can mean that you can have or not have a mind-fuck, depending on the type of personality you have, your set and settings, your previous experiences etc. etc.

So DMT can be like you are perfectly normal, or feel like you are completely mind-fucked. It's both things in a certain sense.
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: fuckmadagascar on July 12, 2013, 06:29 pm
I have yet to try it but so far you've described what I've read to be the effects of the 2C family of phenethylamines.
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: strangeman on July 12, 2013, 11:27 pm
I would go for  2cb, myself. Pretty gentle, as long as you don't get rough body load fro PEAs.
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: Real_Drugs on July 13, 2013, 01:18 pm
DMT definatelly does that

You don't even know what your mind is on DMT. You are your mind.
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: PsilocybinReality on July 13, 2013, 03:46 pm
Thought I posted before but it must not have gone through...

Anyway, 25i-NBOMe is a psychedelic drug which is considered by most who take it to have very strong visuals but minimal headspace.

Just be careful, it has only been on the market a couple of years and has a VERY sketchy safety profile.
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: BlackIris on July 13, 2013, 04:05 pm
You don't even know what your mind is on DMT. You are your mind.

I think he meant that your reasoning capability remains intact on DMT, that's one of the most amusing aspects of the substance. You can be completely in another space and yet have completely normal reason capability, which by itself is extremely problematic for some people if they are having a bad trip, since full reasoning tied to anxiety is not a good thing in that case (for example in ketamine while you can reach the same ego dissolution as DMT there's no way to panic because reasoning capability is greatly impaired; it's simple impossible to become scared).

You can really turn a bad trip into terror in just a second because since the sense of time it's lost, the sense of ego is lost, you are in a complete different world and your rationality is gone etc. but your reasoning is perfectly fine you can go in full paranoia in a fraction of a second and can think the most absurd thing as perfectly real and extremely dangerous (just like in a dream, in fact; it is the same exact status - in a dream your rational mind is lost but reason capability is intact, the same happens in DMT).
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: zipstyle on July 13, 2013, 07:04 pm
You don't even know what your mind is on DMT. You are your mind.

I think he meant that your reasoning capability remains intact on DMT, that's one of the most amusing aspects of the substance. You can be completely in another space and yet have completely normal reason capability, which by itself is extremely problematic for some people if they are having a bad trip, since full reasoning tied to anxiety is not a good thing in that case (for example in ketamine while you can reach the same ego dissolution as DMT there's no way to panic because reasoning capability is greatly impaired; it's simple impossible to become scared).

You can really turn a bad trip into terror in just a second because since the sense of time it's lost, the sense of ego is lost, you are in a complete different world and your rationality is gone etc. but your reasoning is perfectly fine you can go in full paranoia in a fraction of a second and can think the most absurd thing as perfectly real and extremely dangerous (just like in a dream, in fact; it is the same exact status - in a dream your rational mind is lost but reason capability is intact, the same happens in DMT).

Great description, BlackIris +1 :D
It's interesting you mention this comparison. I have had some "bad trips" on s-iso ketamine, however.
Once I took way too much, thinking my tolerance was really high and I wanted to just finish the bag already. What resulted was me falling into a k-hole and then when I *thought* I was out of the k-hole (able to move, etc) what was actually happening was that I was in ANOTHER k-hole, like one inside of another. I remember it felt like I was in The Science of Sleep's stop-motion scenes and there were Ketamine Beings operating the stage which was my bedroom. And they were basically telling me that this was the end of my life, that I'd passed on into the next life. I felt very distraught and all I could do was hold onto the notion that I was on a drug and that it wasn't true. But I felt like my body was withering away and I was just totally gone into another universe. It was a very psychedelic trip and scary, but I gained quite a bit from it (as I think is possible with all "bad" trips).

On the whole, I'd agree and say that full mental capacity is there for DMT and not so for ketamine, but that doesn't make scary or bad trips on ketamine impossible :)
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: meta on July 13, 2013, 08:48 pm
I'd say 2c-b at around 15-25 mg, but you may be more or less tolerant depending on your own neurological systems.
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: BlackIris on July 13, 2013, 09:01 pm
Once I took way too much, thinking my tolerance was really high and I wanted to just finish the bag already. What resulted was me falling into a k-hole and then when I *thought* I was out of the k-hole (able to move, etc) what was actually happening was that I was in ANOTHER k-hole, like one inside of another. I remember it felt like I was in The Science of Sleep's stop-motion scenes and there were Ketamine Beings operating the stage which was my bedroom. And they were basically telling me that this was the end of my life, that I'd passed on into the next life. I felt very distraught and all I could do was hold onto the notion that I was on a drug and that it wasn't true. But I felt like my body was withering away and I was just totally gone into another universe. It was a very psychedelic trip and scary, but I gained quite a bit from it (as I think is possible with all "bad" trips).

Interesting.

All the times I took K I was so sort of "spaced out" that I didn't care one way or another. Either if someone would say to me "now I take you and I will kill you" I would simply reply: "and so?" (or at last I would think so at the beginning; in a situation as that I guess I would after be able to connect the dots, but it was just an example). I always find that when I use K my reasoning ability is much dulled and I cannot really care about one thing or another too much. Yes, I can think but what I think cannot make an impression one way or another. It is like K dissociates also a part of my reasoning ability with my body. For this I did think a real psychedelic crisis highly improbable on Ketamine, since to have one you must turn a generic anxiety into a specific one (elsewhere you can have an uncomfortable experience but not a real crisis), and this usually requires an certain degree of intact reasoning ability.

But I guess there are anyway certain thresholds or certain types of experiences into which the reasoning ability can return full force, as in your case, or as in my example if something like that REALLY would happen. I guess that if the general anxiety is strong enough this will happen. Our body is made in ways that there are always some sort of "exits for emergencies".
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: rkk1993 on July 15, 2013, 01:43 am
25i is what ur looking for I can do anything from chill at the house to longboarding to partying. And the visuals are like swirling candyland and things don't ever get scary inmy opinion
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: flyinghigh1660 on July 15, 2013, 01:47 pm
You don't even know what your mind is on DMT. You are your mind.

I think he meant that your reasoning capability remains intact on DMT, that's one of the most amusing aspects of the substance. You can be completely in another space and yet have completely normal reason capability, which by itself is extremely problematic for some people if they are having a bad trip, since full reasoning tied to anxiety is not a good thing in that case (for example in ketamine while you can reach the same ego dissolution as DMT there's no way to panic because reasoning capability is greatly impaired; it's simple impossible to become scared).

You can really turn a bad trip into terror in just a second because since the sense of time it's lost, the sense of ego is lost, you are in a complete different world and your rationality is gone etc. but your reasoning is perfectly fine you can go in full paranoia in a fraction of a second and can think the most absurd thing as perfectly real and extremely dangerous (just like in a dream, in fact; it is the same exact status - in a dream your rational mind is lost but reason capability is intact, the same happens in DMT).

I'd agree with this, I sometimes panic like fuck on DMT. It feels like I am losing my mind. I rarely take the stuff now, managed to breakthrough a couple of times, but it scares me to much. I will spice up weed, just to give a little visual kick while smoking a joint or listening to music.
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: BlackIris on July 15, 2013, 05:41 pm
The fear of "losing your mind" is one of the worst to remove completely, much worse than the "fear of dying".
However you can pass that fear on steps if you really want, there are ways to do it.
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: d33pblu3 on July 15, 2013, 07:26 pm
i do a lot if psychedelics, the best visuals without you fuck or stress your brain are from the lovely 2c-B.


the most beautiful and incredible visuals i saw in my life come from the most ugly and mind fucker chemical ...  2c-P
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: iaskquestion on July 15, 2013, 08:56 pm
thanks for the advice. I tried 40mg 2cb last night and ended up just falling asleep because I took 4mg of xanax so I could fall asleep after tripping ~350mcg of LSD.  So I didn't get to experience the 2cb. Idk why I took it when I did. It was probably xanax logic : "fuggit"
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: DMtryptamine285 on July 16, 2013, 12:36 am
The nbomes are pretty well known for giving massive visuals with very little mindfuck.
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: zipstyle on July 16, 2013, 10:21 am
the most beautiful and incredible visuals i saw in my life come from the most ugly and mind fucker chemical ...  2c-P

YES!
So true. I remember I took 2c-p in the morning once and watched clouds morph into pages of a children's story book. Literally.
All I did was make the story to go along with the pictures, and it wasn't even a huge dose!
Title: Re: What drug gives you the most visuals with the least amount of mindfuck??
Post by: valakki on July 23, 2013, 04:16 pm
i highly recommend the combination of mdma and lsd. no mindfuck and increased visuals.