Silk Road forums

Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Metro2033 on February 28, 2012, 09:11 pm

Title: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: Metro2033 on February 28, 2012, 09:11 pm
So I had some spare change in my SR account and decided to buy 2x ecstasy tabs (the white speaker ones, any good?)
Since I've never done it before, I was wondering if you guys could give any tips on how to get the most out of it and what I should expect?

I've done ketamine (about 3 times) and weed before, and enjoyed these just at home with friends, TV and food - will ecstasy make me want to go out and rave or can you have a relaxing chill-out on it too? Reccomended dose of these particular tabs?
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: doublestuff on February 28, 2012, 09:26 pm
First things first - the speaker is a strong pill to start on. It can take a while to come up (my guess is because it's so well pressed, but that's neither here nor there) so don't take one then throw the other down your neck straight away because you aren't feeling anything half an hour later.

You can chill out on ecstasy. Lying around having a good chat with close friends with good music playing is at least as pleasurable as going out and getting all ravey, I think.

Have some chewing gum handy in case your jaw starts to clench, it'll help. Other than that, stay hydrated and enjoy the ride. Everybody I know who has tried it remembers their first experiences with MDMA to be among the best of their lives.

For the speakers especially - I would recommend starting on a half for a first time user. Maybe it'll do it for you, maybe it won't, but it's definitely best to slide in easily to your first experience. There's very little propensity to get anxious or anything on MDMA, but a strong come-up can be overwhelming if you aren't used to it.

Editing to add: a little weed at the end of the night is lovely. A 'comedown' off good pills is a pretty enjoyable experience if you do it in the right setting (that is: at home, in comfort, with people you love) and getting a little bit stoned makes it even better.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: wowzers on February 28, 2012, 09:34 pm
**Just noticed doublestuff has written pretty much the same thing but I'll post anyhow  :D

They're big pills, very good quality and a hefty dose of MD.
Make sure you get properly hydrated during the day and don't eat for at least 4 hours before taking it.
Don't do it by yourself, it's the most sociable drug and it's best when your friends are also on it. The first time with friends is always memorable.

If you're the sort of person that likes raving (like me  :D ) then it's a perfect place to take it for the first time.
Don't drink too much alcohol as it tends to dull the experience a bit and take the amazing clarity out of it. It's fine to have a couple of beers though.

Break the pill in half and eat the larger half (they never quite break evenly), this will give you a dose of about 120mg.
It'll take between 45 mins to an hour to properly come up, it's probably worth taking it when you're in the club or just before you get it. There's nothing worse than coming up in a packed queue. You probably will spend a while thinking that nothing's happened or that it's a super mild drug, then you'll suddenly feel really, really fucking nice  ;D   As to what you should expect, it's really difficult to explain, it just feels amazing.

The peak lasts about 3 hours, about 45 mins after you come up eat the other smaller half of the pill, this will prolong the plateau for another hour .

You might not have a super amount of energy. I often find that I'm a bit pinned to the spot when I take it and don't really dance much.
Don't be overly concerned about drinking fluids, just drink what you normally would when dancing- a pint or so an hour is fine.
If you're a smoker, cigarettes feel really nice. Get some gum as you're likely to chew your own mouth to bits.

If possible, try to get home before you've properly come down. That way you get to enjoy the tail end of the experience in nice, comfortable surroundings with friends.

To prevent yourself from feeling too rough the next day, drink lots of tea, smoke some pot, get some vitamins and an ibuprofen inside you before bed.

It's an awesome drug when used in the right setting and your night is likely to be very, very memorable, enjoy!
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: cuba on February 28, 2012, 09:56 pm
enjoy taking the best e pill around your first time. your minds about to be blown away.

everything has been said pretty much.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: happyroller1234 on February 28, 2012, 10:47 pm
Get a back rub, but make sure the person is good at it!
It'll feel SO GOOD.
And pretty much everything everyone else said.
If you do begin to experience a dysphoric comedown (which is likely; once you've seen and felt so much beauty, the stark juxtaposition to the real world is harsh), smoke a nice blunt or two.  It somewhat brings the roll back and you just feel nice again.
If you can get some K, that's always nice too.
If you're clubbing, make sure they play good music, then you can really "feel" the beats.
And I agree with wowzers, smoking anything on MDMA is fabulous.  I once smoked six cigarettes in a row because it felt so good.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: cuba on February 28, 2012, 10:58 pm
I once smoked six cigarettes in a row because it felt so good.

most i got was 4.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: tcobambientAgain on February 29, 2012, 12:29 am
Cool.  Nice thread because I just got in some crystal MDMA today and I've never done MDMA before so it's good to see some opinions from some "pros".  I think I'm going to just chill out at home my first time to see how it effects me. 
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: MailMaxDev on February 29, 2012, 12:35 am
How would you guys describe MDMA's euphoria? I'm curious about trying it as well.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: doublestuff on February 29, 2012, 12:59 am
How would you guys describe MDMA's euphoria? I'm curious about trying it as well.

If it's good stuff, the euphoria can be like a non-stop full body orgasm accompanied by incredible levels of empathy and love for everybody and everything.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: hankhill on February 29, 2012, 03:31 am
How would you guys describe MDMA's euphoria? I'm curious about trying it as well.

MDMA has been described as an "empathogen", meaning it causes feelings of empathy towards others.  I think that's as good a way as any to put it.  It's called "rolling" because the euphoria hits you in waves, like a roller coaster.

Set and setting are everything, kind of like acid.  You should be in a comfortable environment, preferably with close friends who are also rolling.  Or you should be in a madcap ravey environment.  Really it's up to you, and the euphoria can be different depending on the setting.  I tend to think the cozy, intimate house party is the best place for your first roll.  A rave/club can be sensory overload, and can be too much.  And you don't want some bouncer, or even the thought of one, killing your buzz.  But there is something to be said for being in the middle of 5000 beautiful people who are on the same level as you!

Have some good music lined up for your evening.  Trance is a natural fit.  I prefer house if I'm out in the club.  House parties we usually start with mellow house, then high energy, then trance, then something more chill for the comedown.

Someone else mentioned the dysphoria of coming down.  I encounter that sometimes.  Just remind yourself that all good things come to an end eventually, so live in the now and enjoy yourself.  If you like weed, a little bit will give you a nice lift.

It's one of those things that loses its shine if you do it too often.  These days I roll infrequently, maybe once or twice a year if I'm lucky.  When I get the real thing (less and less common these days), it's still wonderful, and almost as good as that first time.  Almost =) 

Finally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z1kRhiPE0E
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: stolea2269 on February 29, 2012, 03:52 am
Lol, at the risk of sounding like a sterotypical raver:

Things that feel great while rolling -
Hand massages
Sex
Neck massages
Rubbing ice cubes on your skin (absolutely orgasmic, if you ask me)
Sour candy (Warheads =])
Vick's Vap-o-rub (Put some on your shirt collar and occasionally pull it up to your nose and smell it)
Showers
Good music
LEDs/Glowsticks/Illuminated things
Sex
Oh, and I always drink Gatorade, flavor + hydration.

Just go with the roll and have a fucking great time. My only word of warning - I vomit everytime I peak on MDMA, apparently that happens to some people. I always make sure to tell my friends it's nothing to worry about, and it actually feels pretty damn good lol. So who knows, if you feel nauseous at all around the come-up just go with it and know that you'll feel great after you purge.

S
 
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: divinechemicals on February 29, 2012, 03:59 am
If there is a girl nearby, you grab her tits and just squeeze and play with them. Seriously, tits feel amazing while you're rolling. I echo the above poster that sex is amazing. But in case you're not going to be in a situation where sex and all that is possible, just put on some good music and move. Or else sit with your friends and just talk about how much you love each other (because you will love each other). Rolling is the greatest feeling in the world so it's hard to go wrong.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: divinechemicals on February 29, 2012, 03:59 am
And I forgot to mention, CHEW GUM. Seriously. If you don't want some major aches in your jaw the next day, chew gum.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: ianfleming on February 29, 2012, 04:25 am
I'm looking at trying this with my fiance soon, however she claims that a friend told her NOT to have sex on it because afterwards sex without MDMA is never as good. It always fails to compare.

Is this a legitimate fear?
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: cuba on February 29, 2012, 04:28 am
I'm looking at trying this with my fiance soon, however she claims that a friend told her NOT to have sex on it because afterwards sex without MDMA is never as good. It always fails to compare.

Is this a legitimate fear?

not never, it may not be "as good" the next couple times but it comes back.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: ianfleming on February 29, 2012, 04:39 am
Hmmm, still a little unsure.
Can somone please explain the point of taking 5-htp?
Also, out of curiosity between Ivory, Mitox and Obama Girl, who would you guys recommend.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: divinechemicals on February 29, 2012, 04:54 am
I'll be honest and say I've never tried Mitanox or OG, but I have used Ivory's services several times, and her stuff is top of the line amazing. I had the hardest roll of my life from 250 mg. You can't go wrong with Ivory, and her great seller rank and glowing reviews in her feedback page agree with me.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: stolea2269 on February 29, 2012, 05:22 am
The whole sex never being the same thing isn't really true. I don't know, the best analogy I've heard for rolling is that it's like a vacation. You do it, you have a fucking great time, and when you come back down you have a great memory of it. You aren't depressed that you aren't high anymore, you still enjoy life (I'd even say that it helped me to improve my life), and at least for me it's something that I'm always eager to do again but if I never got the chance to, I'd be perfectly content. If you can even get it up while you're rolling, you're in for some of the best, most intimate sex of your life. Sex after that, by comparison, may not be physically as stimulating, but you could very well retain some of the intimacy you experienced while rolling. That's my opinion at least!

As far as vendors, I don't know where you're located, but I've heard really good things about tony76's MDMA - I've got some enroute now and he ships out of Canada which is a much safer bet than any of the vendors from the Netherlands. I've also got an order in the mail from Ivory and I give her two big thumbs up. Absolutely wonderful about communication/helping me get my PGP/GPG set up and squared away.

S
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: Metro2033 on February 29, 2012, 09:27 pm
Wow, thanks for these amazing replies, I really enjoyed reading. I actually can't wait to try it now :D

I think that I'm gonna try it at home for the first time, since I'm a naturally paranoid person, I wouldn't want the worry of 'omg people can tell I'm on drugs' thing to ruin my first time.

At the moment, I'm planning on me, my boyfriend and 2 close friends. We would all be first timers, so I was thinking of us all having a quarter each then follow it with another quarter (I've only got 2 tabs anyway) then finish it off with some weed. How long would be expect to roll for on half a pill each? Considering its our first time and these pills are apparently really strong.

Does it tend to make you hungry? Munchies are my favorite thing about weed. Does it give music the same awesomeness that weed does, or even better?
I'm just asking this because ket made me not hungry at all and music didn't sound much better at all, the only thing I really enjoyed whilst on ket was fucking and watching TV.

I love trance music, so will definitely get that lined up (any recommendations?) I've taken note of the chewing gum tip, I was chatting with my boss about it and she recommended the same thing.

I'll give a really good trip report when I try this, hopefully sometime this weekend  ;D
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: myolddutch on February 29, 2012, 10:06 pm
I'd strongly recommend the 4 of you doing a half in one go, rather than quarters! Don't be scared of MDMA. It's a benign, beautiful drug. Doing it in quarters will just weaken the experience in my opinion. These pills are reportedly up to 200mg each, which if this is true will pretty much mean half a pill (100mg) is a good first time dose, especially for a woman. It will last about 3 hours after the come up.

You won't get hungry, at all. And yes, music will feel absolutely gorgeous. At times you'll find it hard to resist the urge to dance, and at other times all you'll want to do is chat, and at other times you may want to hug your boyfriend.

It'll be great. I wish I could have a first time again.

Did I mention don't do it in quarters?!
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: hankhill on March 01, 2012, 03:26 am
Did I mention don't do it in quarters?!

Yes, please dont.  A nice dose is about 100mg.  There's a plateau you need to get to to fully appreciate the experience.

Quote
Can somone please explain the point of taking 5-htp?

5-HTP is a serotonin precursor.  MDMA primarily acts on the serotonin regulating regions of your brain (with some dopaminagenic effects) which is the neurotransmitter that regulates mood/sleep.  Taking 5-HTP can help you recover from the aftereffects of a good roll (the "Tuesdays").

Quote
I'm looking at trying this with my fiance soon, however she claims that a friend told her NOT to have sex on it because afterwards sex without MDMA is never as good. It always fails to compare.

Is this a legitimate fear?

If you can have sex while actually rolling then you didnt take enough!  As Shakespeare said, "It provokes the desire but it takes away the performance."  At least in my experience.  Some GHB can help with this, but you have to be careful taking GHB with anything, so I'd recommend avoiding it.  But sex the day after can be amazing.

Think of it this way: after having the best sex of your life up until now, have you ever had mediocre sex and thought "well, that sucked, guess I'll never have sex again".  Yea, me neither.  This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: themessenger2 on March 01, 2012, 04:20 am
No munchies, the opposite actually. It's an amphetamine which is speed, which generally kills appetites. I've only taken MDMA once before. I enjoy psychedelics and pot and that's pretty much it. I don't drink or take opiates much at all and no meth or H or anything. From that one time MDMA became my favorite drug of all that I've tried. Everything is beautiful and alive. You'll have a wonderful time with the four of you. Just go with the flow. If it's people you are comfortable with and they are comfortable with you then everything will be great.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: Locrian on March 01, 2012, 04:43 am
Wow, thanks for these amazing replies, I really enjoyed reading. I actually can't wait to try it now :D

I think that I'm gonna try it at home for the first time, since I'm a naturally paranoid person, I wouldn't want the worry of 'omg people can tell I'm on drugs' thing to ruin my first time.

At the moment, I'm planning on me, my boyfriend and 2 close friends. We would all be first timers, so I was thinking of us all having a quarter each then follow it with another quarter (I've only got 2 tabs anyway) then finish it off with some weed. How long would be expect to roll for on half a pill each? Considering its our first time and these pills are apparently really strong.

Does it tend to make you hungry? Munchies are my favorite thing about weed. Does it give music the same awesomeness that weed does, or even better?
I'm just asking this because ket made me not hungry at all and music didn't sound much better at all, the only thing I really enjoyed whilst on ket was fucking and watching TV.

I love trance music, so will definitely get that lined up (any recommendations?) I've taken note of the chewing gum tip, I was chatting with my boss about it and she recommended the same thing.

I'll give a really good trip report when I try this, hopefully sometime this weekend  ;D

Definitely take the half.  Those speakers are strong as hell, but they aren't THAT strong.  A half is about 100 milligrams, which is threshold dose for actually getting off and "rolling."

I've always loved that term, by the way.  I think it's one of the more descriptively apt names for a drug.  It really does make me feel like I'm gonna "roll away like a rollerblade, til my eyes roll back in my skull for days." 

And yes, music will sound incredible, much richer, more vibrant, and far more complex than usual.  But the speakers are straight up MDMA, and MDMA by itself doesn't always make you want to jump up and dance.  It is a stimulant, of course, and your heart will be racing.  You will be talking at light speed.  But you might feel so overwhelmingly GOOD that standing/dancing is more than you are in the mood for.  This is generally more pronounced at higher doses.  At 100 mg apiece, it shouldn't be a problem, but it's a possibility for a first time I guess.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: stolea2269 on March 01, 2012, 04:48 am
Maybe it doesn't need to be said again but definitely go for the half. The "golden rule" for MDMA dosage (I think Shulgin wrote it in PiHKAL) is 120mg to start, and a 40mg booster 90 minutes in if you want to prolong it. Any dose above that, or another booster tends to bring out the speedier side of the drug instead of increasing/prolonging the entactogenic effects.

I'm so happy you get to experience this :D, please please please let us know how it goes!
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: relief_in_parcels on March 01, 2012, 06:40 am
Some really great replies here and I dont have a lot to add apart from...get one of those wire head massage things, someone put one of these on my head when I was rolling once. All I'll say is OMG!
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: Metro2033 on March 01, 2012, 10:47 pm
Quote
You won't get hungry, at all. And yes, music will feel absolutely gorgeous. At times you'll find it hard to resist the urge to dance, and at other times all you'll want to do is chat, and at other times you may want to hug your boyfriend.

Ah okay, well I'll get some awesome music prepared and make sure I'm with good friends.

Quote
Did I mention don't do it in quarters?!

Ooookkkk, half each it is!

Quote
I'm so happy you get to experience this :D, please please please let us know how it goes!

Will do!

I'll also have grapefruit juice as I heard this is good. I've got a massage chair thingy too that apparently feels really nice. Also plan on going for a little walk with my friends so we can experience nature too  ;D
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: indiehipster on March 01, 2012, 11:33 pm
Don't drive
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: ianfleming on March 01, 2012, 11:51 pm
Quote
I'll also have grapefruit juice as I heard this is good. I've got a massage chair thingy too that apparently feels really nice. Also plan on going for a little walk with my friends so we can experience nature too  ;D
I would stay the hell away from that.
Grapefruit juice tends to react quite badly with drugs (both illicit and not). Usually it's just a bad idea to drink grapefruit juice after taking ANYTHING.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: amush on March 02, 2012, 12:13 am
Congrats on getting yourself a lovely chemical :)

I would suggest a calm setting, turning off your phone, knowing you will not be disturbed for a good few hours(until you feel comfortable), make sure you have decent music and (no I am not joking) a dummy tit(pacifier) or lolly.

good luck!

-Amush
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: NeveWitch on March 02, 2012, 02:30 am
Oh man! I welcome you with open arms to the wonderful world of MDMA. It is really nothing to be afraid of! It's a benign drug, and you'll have a great time.

From what I've briefly read, you'll only have two pills to split among a total of four people? If it comes down to that, definitely just do the halves at the start, because you'll need surpass a certain threshold before you'll feel effects. If the pills you got are indeed 200mg total, and you're splitting them in half, each person should be getting a 100mg dose, which should be enough to get you guys flying. :p

As far as the roll itself, everyone's covered most points here. Fast for four-six hours beforehand, as a full stomach seems to dull and delay the effects of MDMA, and hunger will not be an issue when you're rolling. Take your half pills, and just relax and let the effects come to you, instead of anxiously looking for it. Believe me, you'll know it when you're rolling. :P Have access to good music. Relaxing music will be relaxing, but upbeat music will probably make you want to dance! Have access to warmth, as it can get cold if you're rolling somewhere chilly. Visualizers will be awesome. Hugging will be awesome. Cold, refreshing fruit and juices will be awesome. Give each other shoulder and scalp massages.  Everything will be awesome. The comedown should be gradual and smooth, but if anyone starts feeling shitty, it looks like you have access to some herb, so take a hit and all should be well. If you have any 5-htp, take some before you retire for the night, as it will help you recover your depleted serotonin levels.

And if you have a chance to do it again, order from Ivory, Ivory, Ivory. Can't say enough good things about Ivory's service and the quality of his MDMA. Good luck rolling, and tell us how it went!
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: ianfleming on March 10, 2012, 10:30 pm
Out of curiosity, I have 2 speakers.
I'm pretty sure MDMA pills are meant to be swallowed, right?
Can they be put under the tongue or chewed though?
Will this effect the roll? Will this taste horrible?
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: White Light on March 10, 2012, 10:41 pm
Yes pills are meant to be swallowed, and yes the taste is awful, so don't chew them ! Speakers are strong pills, you should maybe start with an half and redose later.

WL
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: Surreptious on March 10, 2012, 10:47 pm
If you chew them you might come up a bit faster and peak a little higher, but the taste is nasty.

You might feel quite unwell just before the come up, it will pass, and you'll feel awesome.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: doublestuff on March 11, 2012, 03:11 am
Honestly, if they even get caught in the back of your mouth for a second while you try to swallow them, the taste is often enough to make you wretch. Chewing them would be some fresh hell.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: drugrelated on March 11, 2012, 03:43 am
Yea...hold on to your hat. Especially using MD from SR. Enjoy!
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: Metro2033 on March 12, 2012, 10:40 pm
Little update here. I was telling my friends what I learnt about this drug and what we are to expect, and now 2 other friends who previously didn't want to try it said they want to give it a go. So I've ordered 5 more speakers from CandyShop. Still planning on having half each, but may give everyone another quarter just because I've bigged this up so much now that I don't want it to only be a 'light' trip, I want everyone to have a fucking amazing experience otherwise I'll look stupid lol

If it seems like i'm dragging this out, it's just because we are planning it for a time when we are all available, otherwise we would have done it already.
Title: Re: First time trying MDMA (xtc), any tips?
Post by: risky2 on March 12, 2012, 11:39 pm
My common sense, old man advice would be to have someone around thats done it before ( thats why going to a rave can be good, chances are people there who are on it too and can help, but they can be probably on different kind or amount, keep that in mind), just to look out for any bad reaction or potential freak out. But don't get super anxious about ODing or negative freak out stuff. Alert, calm and pumped up for a good time is the right attitude. I'm no expert on XTC for sure, so please take my advice with a grain of salt if you must.

But if the stuff you got on SR is reviewed here good in the forums or feedback, then you can relax about having fake or shitty stuff. Try to relax as to roll comes on, and drink plenty of water or fruit juice for possible dehydration, be aware of the comedown like around 3 or 4 hours depending on your dose. If its good stuff be prepared for visual trippy trails and huge puplis. Drinks with vitamin c and anti-oxidents(sp?) can help flush drugs thru your system, but be aware it will also shorten the overall duration of the roll. Weed is a good way to finish off a roll. It can calm you down gently, and help with residual aches from comedown. I prefer sativa to keep the good moods coming on.Try to have a empty stomach before taking XTC for any nausea sake. No one really wants to clean up vomit while rolling, uggg  For an erection lasting more than 4 hours, seek help from a horny and willing nurse soon as possible.

No, but seriously folks,  for any possible freakout or reaction, just try to relax and calm down, try some yoga positions, a safe comfy room to chill in with deep breathing. And stay away from the brown acid! ( old woodstock joke, and hey i'm old ,but even I'm not THAT old!) You can't have a heart attack or stroke seizure if you are taking nice even deep breaths (actually I bet you can, but I'm no MD, so what do I know?).

TL:DR - General stuff and common advice about XTC rolling from the Interwebs and some personal experience. Roll on ,young person, roll on!