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Discussion => Philosophy, Economics and Justice => Topic started by: valakki on April 22, 2013, 03:50 pm

Title: Illusion
Post by: valakki on April 22, 2013, 03:50 pm
                                                                               Paranoia is an Illusion.

I was having the most insane dreams. Phone calls from someone claiming to track me with a computer AI system. 
- I will get you.- he said.
-Why? What do you want? - i replied.
 No answer....
Fuck off then you wanker! i shouted and broke the phone in half.
The dream was getting lucid. I decided to abort it. I went to the toilet....
woke up.
Then i dropped a roll....

paranoid comeup.
everyone is looking at me. everyone is following me. cameras everywhere. is he filming me? is she recording? they know.. the police! they know...

A thought! Its an illusion! same as tripping! Paranoia is an illusion!

and it vanished.

right away. like it never existed.

but something else came up. If paranoia is an illusion then my happy head space is an illusion too!
and so that vanished too.

I'm left with nothing. Nothing.
Emptiness.
Title: Re: Illusion
Post by: Chaosforpeace on April 22, 2013, 04:09 pm
Lol I am the last person to say this, but.... Stay off the drugs for a little man.

Chaos
Title: Re: Illusion
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 22, 2013, 05:31 pm
Very very interesting dream, I would agree with it somewhat.  Paranoia is definitely an illusion, but happiness an illusion? I don't think so!  Emptiness nah, there's too much in the world, all worlds, for their just to be emptiness.  Very interesting dream tho!  I was watching an interesting documentary about dreams, I can't remember the name but I found it very insightful as far as determining what dreams mean and what evolutionary purpose they serve!  If I come across it I will post the name!
Title: Re: Illusion
Post by: valakki on April 22, 2013, 08:13 pm
 i did not mean to post this! wanted to undo it! oh well.....

maybe your right. Im gonna lay of the juice... and stop posting... just a few more doses of E..... I need to eat it up before summer!
(stashing my cid)
but I really dont have feelings now... like feelings just disappeared!

the realization basically was:

if the feeling of paranoia is an illusion (proved it to myself) then the feeling of blissful happiness is an illusion too....also is sadness... etc

thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Illusion
Post by: Chaosforpeace on April 22, 2013, 08:57 pm
Lol I am the last person to say this, but.... Stay off the drugs for a little man.

Chaos
I mean doing to much of anything starts to tweak your mind. Then again I am a complete hypocrite for saying that, but a good rule is to calm it down with substances once your mental health starts to weaken.

Chaos
Title: Re: Illusion
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 22, 2013, 09:15 pm
i did not mean to post this! wanted to undo it! oh well.....

maybe your right. Im gonna lay of the juice... and stop posting... just a few more doses of E..... I need to eat it up before summer!
(stashing my cid)
but I really dont have feelings now... like feelings just disappeared!

the realization basically was:

if the feeling of paranoia is an illusion (proved it to myself) then the feeling of blissful happiness is an illusion too....also is sadness... etc

thoughts on this?


All I can say is that everything can't be an illusion.  Something has to be steeped in some sort of a reality.  I think its as simple as that!
Title: Re: Illusion
Post by: MrGonzo on April 22, 2013, 09:30 pm
i did not mean to post this! wanted to undo it! oh well.....

maybe your right. Im gonna lay of the juice... and stop posting... just a few more doses of E..... I need to eat it up before summer!
(stashing my cid)
but I really dont have feelings now... like feelings just disappeared!

the realization basically was:

if the feeling of paranoia is an illusion (proved it to myself) then the feeling of blissful happiness is an illusion too....also is sadness... etc

thoughts on this?

I've been in this position before. Just give it time it'll pass. Occupying my time with friends, and/or hobbies seemed to help a little. If you're into meditation that helped me a lot too. The whole nothingness feeling is what really got me into it to begin with.

And of course if none of the above works have a really good acid trip, that'll set you straight ;)
Title: Re: Illusion
Post by: kittenfluff on April 23, 2013, 10:37 am
I wouldn't say emotions are an illusion, more that they are simply subjective and amenable to adjustment by your nervous system. Emotions and mental states are part of ourselves, they do not exist outside and apart from ourselves, but they are as real as any other experience. All experience is an interpretation of signals from our nervous/endocrine system by our brain (and probably parts of our larger nervous system), so all experience is equally 'real' or 'illusory' - it's 'illusory' in that our subjective experience can never be a one-one copy of objective reality, but it is 'real' in that we really experience it subjectively.

To me, it appears you've started to become your own meta-programmer - programming your own experience/nervous system and adjusting your mental parameters. What you really need to do next is not to ask if these experiences are illusory, but more to ask yourself; how should I program myself to achieve the best possible experience? Love instead of hate, forgive instead of bear a grudge, be happy instead of sad, when something bad happens look at how to make it better rather than wallow in how it is bad - this is the script of a happier existence! You cannot affect what will happen to you in the future, only how you react and deal with it. You cannot change the destination, only the route which you will take there...
Title: Re: Illusion
Post by: oldtoby on April 24, 2013, 03:40 am
I wouldn't say emotions are an illusion, more that they are simply subjective and amenable to adjustment by your nervous system. Emotions and mental states are part of ourselves, they do not exist outside and apart from ourselves, but they are as real as any other experience. All experience is an interpretation of signals from our nervous/endocrine system by our brain (and probably parts of our larger nervous system), so all experience is equally 'real' or 'illusory' - it's 'illusory' in that our subjective experience can never be a one-one copy of objective reality, but it is 'real' in that we really experience it subjectively.

To me, it appears you've started to become your own meta-programmer - programming your own experience/nervous system and adjusting your mental parameters. What you really need to do next is not to ask if these experiences are illusory, but more to ask yourself; how should I program myself to achieve the best possible experience? Love instead of hate, forgive instead of bear a grudge, be happy instead of sad, when something bad happens look at how to make it better rather than wallow in how it is bad - this is the script of a happier existence! You cannot affect what will happen to you in the future, only how you react and deal with it. You cannot change the destination, only the route which you will take there...

+1 for meta-programming. Good post.
Title: Re: Illusion
Post by: kittenfluff on April 24, 2013, 09:17 am

+1 for meta-programming. Good post.

Thanks. I'm not one to try and dictate what others should do, but I do think too many people try out psychedelics without reading enough philosophy/psychology to give themselves direction. You start re-molding your psyche without having any idea of what you would like the end result to be and I think that's when most people start to go off the rails a bit. Just another reason to legalize drugs - so that the shamans and gurus came come out from where they're hiding and guide the new-wave of psychonauts! My ideal situation would be somewhat similar to Aldous Huxley's 'Island', but then he did write that novel to portray his utopia in contrast to the dystopian 'Brave New World'...
Title: Re: Illusion
Post by: dreadpirateuser on April 30, 2013, 11:23 pm
I wouldn't say emotions are an illusion, more that they are simply subjective and amenable to adjustment by your nervous system. Emotions and mental states are part of ourselves, they do not exist outside and apart from ourselves, but they are as real as any other experience. All experience is an interpretation of signals from our nervous/endocrine system by our brain (and probably parts of our larger nervous system), so all experience is equally 'real' or 'illusory' - it's 'illusory' in that our subjective experience can never be a one-one copy of objective reality, but it is 'real' in that we really experience it subjectively.

To me, it appears you've started to become your own meta-programmer - programming your own experience/nervous system and adjusting your mental parameters. What you really need to do next is not to ask if these experiences are illusory, but more to ask yourself; how should I program myself to achieve the best possible experience? Love instead of hate, forgive instead of bear a grudge, be happy instead of sad, when something bad happens look at how to make it better rather than wallow in how it is bad - this is the script of a happier existence! You cannot affect what will happen to you in the future, only how you react and deal with it. You cannot change the destination, only the route which you will take there...

Good post, got me thinking and I'm not even on drugs right now.
Title: Re: Illusion
Post by: prophetjack on May 02, 2013, 07:38 am
Great post kitten, I think that OP may start becoming more comfortable deciding what is "real" by studying this: 
*****WARNING CLEARNET********
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacra_and_Simulation