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Title: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: Believe on August 11, 2013, 03:20 am
I just saw a documentary about 'scopolamine' which is also known as 'the devil's breath'.
Does anyone have experience with this drug? In what situations do you use it and how does it feel??
I'd like some inside knowledge about the drug
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: Yoda on August 11, 2013, 03:50 am
Use the search... I think this is the thread I'm looking for, check it out.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=67544.0
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: eddiethegun on August 11, 2013, 05:25 am
Tried it once in a research setting.

Felt a little 'out of it' but nothing special. Equilibrium was off and the cotton-mouth was something horrific. Mouth stayed dry WHILE drinking water, if you can imagine that...

Short term memory was moderately impaired, comparable to a benzo. No other notable effects.
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: rynoragin on August 12, 2013, 12:30 am
Personally I feel like it's for the times you just HAVE to have a woman and you know it's the only way. LOL. I feel like it's pretty dangerous but it'd be the perfect thing for some of these muggers or pervs.

Ryno
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: Alutnarat on August 12, 2013, 05:35 am
Vice has a good doc. about it. you can check it out here  http://www.vice.com/vice-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2
http://www.vice.com/vice-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-2-of-2
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: zvp1014 on August 13, 2013, 02:28 pm
Vice has a good doc. about it. you can check it out here  http://www.vice.com/vice-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2
http://www.vice.com/vice-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-2-of-2
*cough* The doc is bullshit *cough*
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: Tommychongthevendor on August 13, 2013, 04:20 pm
I have made a tea from tree datura or brugmasia( I think I am spelling it wrong) and the first few times was very fun extremely dissociative vision very blurry could not make out peoples faces would call one person another persons name that was not even around and not to mention being up the 24-36 hours totally spun the fuck out.

then one time I made too strong of a batch blacked out for like 10hours and was high as fuck for another 3 days all in all I was very young and naive and now I tell everyone to NEVER do it I can not believe it is sold on SR the product is LITERALLY the most lethal shit I know someone who is permanently mental because of mixing Datura (they make scopolomine  out of this) and morning glory seeds in excess.

If you think you can handle your shit be VERY VERY careful
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: BlackIris on August 13, 2013, 05:32 pm
^If you want to research on Datura or Brugmansia the best ROA is through the skin, via an ointment. This is the most worthwhile approach with all the Nightshade family plants in general. Through the skin the most poisonous effects of the plants don't pass the fat barrier and moreover you can control the amount of drug that gets absorbed in your system.

This or, if you really want to use an oral ROA (not recommended until you know what you are doing), use a plant that has sort of antagonistic effects causing the most poisonous aspects to be reduced or stopped altogether. And example about a typical Shaman concoction that does this is Brugmansia + Brunfelsia.

One thing to notice then is this: tropanes effect (the good ones, the very vivid hallucinations) take place in the boundary between sleep and awake, i.e. the trance state. If you have the drug to bring you to that state by itself this will mean that you will much probably have to poison yourself. So, the right thing, the "secret" to work correctly with the Nightshades plants (but with all entheogens in reality, it is just that with tropanes this is even truer) is to not let the plant do everything by itself but instead reaching a trance state while you are under the effect or mix the plants with others that can bring you to that state (for example opiates are a very good mix just for this and in fact the so-called witches salve was much probably made by a mix of Nightshades + Poppy pods; just be careful because both sum up their effects).

In reality you need little amount to do have very good effects out of Nightshades if you keep this in mind, an amount that is much inferior to the one you would need to bring the very nasty poisonous effects. I've personally used Datura and Henbane a lot in the past and if used correctly they can give you a kind of "power" that you cannot obtain with any other drug.
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: Et0rphine on August 13, 2013, 05:36 pm
I have first hand experience trying high oral dose of pure scopolamine on a willing test subject in a controlled setting.  If you have experience with scopolamine PM me I'm interested to exchange informations.
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: Railgun on August 13, 2013, 07:39 pm
Aren't the effects like an antihistamine since it's an anticholingergic?

I knew a kid that love the Benadryl high.  I can't stand the stuff even when I need it.
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: CannabisCrusader on August 14, 2013, 05:18 am
I have first hand experience trying high oral dose of pure scopolamine on a willing test subject in a controlled setting.  If you have experience with scopolamine PM me I'm interested to exchange informations.

Why wouldn't you just post the information you have on it so it's freely available for anyone looking later down the road?
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: GrimWaldo on August 20, 2013, 01:51 am
...scopolamine? ...as in henbane, datura, belladonna, wolfsbane, jimson weed, and deadly nightshade?
Holy shit, people. Really?

#1) Don't fuck with this. No, seriously. I'm not your mom, I don't know you, and still I'm saying...
Don't fuck with this.

#2) If you do fuck with this, KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING! This isn't like smoking a little pot or takin' some X, this is an investment. The entire Solanaceae family is considered toxic and poisonous... because it actually is. If you don't know what you're doing, you can easily kill yourself. If you dose just a little too much, you can wind up on a 3 day trip in which you know nothing truthful about your surroundings, because scopolamine is not a hallucinagenic, it's not a stimulant, it's not an empathogen, it's not a phenethylamine or any other traditional psychedelic...

It's a deliriant... and on a hard trip, you will actually be delirious. It's not much like hallucinating.
Hallucinations from typical psychedelics are merely distortions of your current perceptions. You can tell they aren't real.
Deliriants can create new things in your perception that weren't there before... and you will have no idea that these new additions aren't real. You may not only see God, but shake His hand and have a conversation with Him, the entire time never even realizing how entirely out of the ordinary the occurance actually is. Unsettling to be sure... even more so if the entity that appears is Satan or some other nightmare. For real...
Add to this the after-effects like confusion, lack of coordination, giant pupils, etc for a week or more and it's an experience that I personally don't care to repeat.

Remember, Erowid.org is your friend. Go there and search for scopolamine and datura. Read the effects, dosage, trip reports, etc. Educate yourself... and then if you're still bat-shit crazy about the notion, be careful.

^If you want to research on Datura or Brugmansia the best ROA is through the skin, via an ointment. This is the most worthwhile approach with all the Nightshade family plants in general. Through the skin the most poisonous effects of the plants don't pass the fat barrier and moreover you can control the amount of drug that gets absorbed in your system.
...
In reality you need little amount to do have very good effects out of Nightshades if you keep this in mind, an amount that is much inferior to the one you would need to bring the very nasty poisonous effects. I've personally used Datura and Henbane a lot in the past and if used correctly they can give you a kind of "power" that you cannot obtain with any other drug.
^ Listen to BlackIris, they know of what they speak. Oral injestion from a variable natural source (such as datura) is inadvisable. You don't know how much you're taking. It's very easy to take too much.

Trivia:
Roman women used datura and nightshade to make their pupils large, which was considered attractive.
Scopolamine is used in eye drops to make your pupils large so your retina can be inspected for problems.
My wife used a prescription bladder anticeptic that really fucked-up her vision. When I looked up the contents... scopolamine! Distorted vision was even listed as a common side effect.
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: Psyche on August 20, 2013, 12:26 pm
Is it true that you can blow 10mg into someones face and they will be so docile that they will willingly empty their bank account for you or is that false documentary bullshit?
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: vorvon on August 21, 2013, 07:30 am
False documentary bullshit - they fed off lies given to them, then spruced them up to sound edgy.  Vice does some good things, but this was off.
You cannot guarantee how someone who was dosed with this shit would behave, even if you're sober and think you'll control them.
I'd put even odds on them running screaming into the night or stabbing you.
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: flashlight5 on August 21, 2013, 08:37 am
Tried it once in a research setting.

Felt a little 'out of it' but nothing special. Equilibrium was off and the cotton-mouth was something horrific. Mouth stayed dry WHILE drinking water, if you can imagine that...

Short term memory was moderately impaired, comparable to a benzo. No other notable effects.

Can you name the dose and way of administration (how you took it)?
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: eddiethegun on August 21, 2013, 03:00 pm
Tried it once in a research setting.

Felt a little 'out of it' but nothing special. Equilibrium was off and the cotton-mouth was something horrific. Mouth stayed dry WHILE drinking water, if you can imagine that...

Short term memory was moderately impaired, comparable to a benzo. No other notable effects.

Can you name the dose and way of administration (how you took it)?

Dose I don't recall but it was given by intramuscular injection.

I took some memory tests, was given a dose of scopolamine, took more memory tests. This was in the Psychology department of a major university. I do not know what the basis of the research was, but they paid me $50 :) My understanding was that it was a research project about memory, not scopolamine. The scopoloamine was just the standard safe anticholinergic drug.

All in all I found it mildly unpleasant. The drug was boring, had unpleasant side effects and produced zero euphoria. It was not a dose high enough to hallucinate or produce delirium. (And honestly I want no part of anticholinergic delirium).

All that stuff about suggestibility and zombies is fabricated nonsense. And really should it surprise anyone? They used to say similar stuff about chloral hydrate, sodium thiopental, tetrodotoxin, etc. It's just urban legend perpetuated by fake journalism.
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: flashlight5 on August 21, 2013, 03:07 pm
do you base that just on your own experience?

sounds like they haven given you are very small dose... like maybe 2 mg.
Title: Re: Scopolamine - The Devil's Breath??
Post by: eddiethegun on August 21, 2013, 03:22 pm
do you base that just on your own experience?

sounds like they haven given you are very small dose... like maybe 2 mg.

Pretty much, yes. So you can take that for what it's worth. But I'm highly skeptical.

I mean, wasn't it The Serpent and the Rainbow that claimed pufferfish venom was used in Voodoo to turn people into zombie slaves? Another "journalistic" account. These stories have been poopooed by science since the beginning.