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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: putinwork62 on August 14, 2013, 05:10 am
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Is it possible to self teach yourself chemistry so you can make your own mdma and other chemicals in general? Are any of you guys chemist?
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Yes, it is.
Although learning how to do a tech, and then actually understanding the chemistry behind how that tech works are two totally different things.
I'd recommend doing the latter however, as if you fuck up, you'll know why. You'll also have a mastery of the technique and will be able to improvise, and optimize what you're doing to achieve a higher quality product.
If you really wanted to, you could learn the necessary chemistry within 6 months.
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Its possible to teach yourself anything including chemistry, or what you are going to want to research organic chemistry, Strike was self taught and there are many others, mind you it may be tougher than being able to be in an actual lab environment with other chemist teaching you, but there are many many resources out there. I'm just learning organic chem as a hobby, I find it very interesting and have always been in love with science and drugs.
This is a good place to find reference material, book and other documents CLEARNET WARNING: http://libgen.org/
Try looking up total synthesis and total synthesis II by strike as a jumping off point, and also the organic chem lab survival manual for some really great info on how to stay safe and not blow yourself up.
Also A text-book of practical organic chemistry is another really good book on getting your feet wet.
This will not come over night it takes a long time and much practice to become a chemist worth your hcl salt, but stay safe and I would say don't get into it if the only reason is trying to make drugs.
Hope this helps, if you have any other questions I will do my best to answer them and will also be posting more reference links.
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Here is a really good resource and archive from the old hive
CLEARNETWARNING http://chemistry.mdma.ch/
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Thanks for the feedback guys i really appreciate it..... One quick question I would really like to learn chemistry in general because i love science but one thing i'm worried about is the "dangers", How do at home chemist protect themselves from danger when doing chemistry ?
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Its possible to teach yourself anything including chemistry, or what you are going to want to research organic chemistry, Strike was self taught and there are many others, mind you it may be tougher than being able to be in an actual lab environment with other chemist teaching you, but there are many many resources out there. I'm just learning organic chem as a hobby, I find it very interesting and have always been in love with science and drugs.
This is a good place to find reference material, book and other documents CLEARNET WARNING: http://libgen.org/
Try looking up total synthesis and total synthesis II by strike as a jumping off point, and also the organic chem lab survival manual for some really great info on how to stay safe and not blow yourself up.
Also A text-book of practical organic chemistry is another really good book on getting your feet wet.
This will not come over night it takes a long time and much practice to become a chemist worth your hcl salt, but stay safe and I would say don't get into it if the only reason is trying to make drugs.
Hope this helps, if you have any other questions I will do my best to answer them and will also be posting more reference links.
Thanks for the feedback and advice... Thanks for the reference to the survival manual for safety too. I love science and always wanted to explore different aspects of it, so i would like to learn everything about chemistry not only for drugs....
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read this
the organic chem lab survival manual
CLEARNET WARNING: http://libgen.org/book/index.php?md5=61D97CAC52FBE5975D448FBEBB5CCAD8&open=0
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Teaching yourself basic chem would be a really difficult challenge with a lot of reading, but it is doable.
You could also just read a basic tek. I wouldn't recommend this because if something along the lines goes wrong, there will be nothing you can do about it. A lot of meth lab explosions happen for this exact reasons, something goes wrong or people don't use required precautions and the chemicals react in a dangerous ways.
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will certainly be looking into this!maybe we can all share progress privately. we dont want every fucker doin it or we wont be able to sell it lol how do i follow a thread?
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Anything's possible, if you know the right people!
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Erowid have a few synthesis guides as well.
I think it's harder to actually acquire all the ingredients in the correct quantities in pure form.
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anything's possible...highly unlikely especially if you only have a High School level understanding of chemistry.
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JUST GO FOR IT! You only live once :D
Might as well accomplish your dream. SR can help you do that.
But.. be careful!
<3
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Safrole is apparently quite difficult to obtain if you're a typical civilian
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will certainly be looking into this!maybe we can all share progress privately. we dont want every fucker doin it or we wont be able to sell it lol how do i follow a thread?
There is more demand than could probably be ever met for these skills. Why be selfish with information? Their have been generations of forums dedicated to this most noble pursuit. If you want to do it right its going to take time and no small amount of effort. Here are some good places to start learning about chemistry:
http://www.ochem4free.info/node/1
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/organic-chemistry
http://www.chemguide.co.uk/index.html#top
http://www.destructve.com/bromicacid/bookprogress.htm <--- great info on practical stuff like lab setups and such
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will certainly be looking into this!maybe we can all share progress privately. we dont want every fucker doin it or we wont be able to sell it lol how do i follow a thread?
There is more demand than could probably be ever met for these skills. Why be selfish with information? Their have been generations of forums dedicated to this most noble pursuit. If you want to do it right its going to take time and no small amount of effort. Here are some good places to start learning about chemistry:
http://www.ochem4free.info/node/1
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/organic-chemistry
http://www.chemguide.co.uk/index.html#top
http://www.destructve.com/bromicacid/bookprogress.htm <--- great info on practical stuff like lab setups and such
Thanks for the links, I was also going to suggest khan, very amazing site for learning many things.
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If you are going to be pioneering new clandestine chemistry synthesis's then yes you need to know chemistry very well. If all you are trying to do is complete one of the hundreds of well-known and published synthesis's (which the vast majority of drugs come from) then all you need to know is how to read, follow directions, and learn how to use some lab equipment. In the case of MDMA, following BrightStars synthesis is not difficult if you can read and obtain the chemicals.
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I think if you just watch enough "Breaking Bad" you will know all that you need to know about chemistry. Wear a yellow suit, a filter/breather thing is a must (with two canister filters), and you will need a small revolver. Those are the basics; don't complicate it. If you can marry a blonde woman with huge tits, that helps obviously.
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Walter does not make MDMA
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If you can marry a blonde woman with huge tits, that helps obviously.
This helps with all sorts of things, not just chemistry.
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whats the reason for clearnet warning i neverr kne the reason
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Walter does not make MDMA
Yeah but all he'd have to do is make the (M)eth(A)amphetamine and then superglue the (M)ethyl(D)ioxy groups to it. And superglue is easy to acquire.
Seriously though I know DrDeepWood / RonPaul (or whatever the username is / was) sells a guide on SR and tells you how you can acquire some of the ingredients (hint: some of it can be found on SR).
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Walter does not make MDMA
Yeah but all he'd have to do is make the (M)eth(A)amphetamine and then superglue the (M)ethyl(D)ioxy groups to it. And superglue is easy to acquire.
Seriously though I know DrDeepWood / RonPaul (or whatever the username is / was) sells a guide on SR and tells you how you can acquire some of the ingredients (hint: some of it can be found on SR).
Don't just jump to conclusions, those synths are bunk.
Read this thread.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=196530.0
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Is it possible to self teach yourself chemistry so you can make your own mdma and other chemicals in general? Are any of you guys chemist?
Do tons of research, and then do more. All I'm going to say
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Seriously though I know DrDeepWood / RonPaul (or whatever the username is / was) sells a guide on SR and tells you how you can acquire some of the ingredients (hint: some of it can be found on SR).
Don't get me started on that douchebag. The "guides" he was selling were mere google searches of nothing special (someone emailed me a couple of them). And the sources were a fucking joke that would get anyone busted (which might explain why none of his minions are around). Funny thing was he was recommending overseas sources (you know what a big deal it is to get barrels of oil through customs???) when I knew of at least a half dozen sources here in the US you could get the same stuff from with cash and no ID! I will admit I was a bit curious about the peptide bonding he was alluding to with regards to LSD synthesis, but out of all the bs out of that guys mouth that was the only thing that peeked my interest (and for all I know that was bs too).
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i actually have been looking into the blue-light synthesis just wanted to see if anyone on here if that would really work? it doesnt seem to be hard to get all the material for something like that. anyone have any input on this weather or not it would actually work and how hard it would actually be?
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Walter does not make MDMA
Yeah but all he'd have to do is make the (M)eth(A)amphetamine and then superglue the (M)ethyl(D)ioxy groups to it. And superglue is easy to acquire.
Seriously though I know DrDeepWood / RonPaul (or whatever the username is / was) sells a guide on SR and tells you how you can acquire some of the ingredients (hint: some of it can be found on SR).
Don't just jump to conclusions, those synths are bunk.
Read this thread.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=196530.0
Fair enough. I was watching the review thread for his guide and it seemed like there were a lot of happy buyers but also a lot of unhappy ones. Was a long thread and hard to figure out, based on that thread, whether or not the guide was good or not.
Kinda surprising there aren't more comprehensive guides out there.
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Seriously though I know DrDeepWood / RonPaul (or whatever the username is / was) sells a guide on SR and tells you how you can acquire some of the ingredients (hint: some of it can be found on SR).
Don't get me started on that douchebag. The "guides" he was selling were mere google searches of nothing special (someone emailed me a couple of them). And the sources were a fucking joke that would get anyone busted (which might explain why none of his minions are around). Funny thing was he was recommending overseas sources (you know what a big deal it is to get barrels of oil through customs???) when I knew of at least a half dozen sources here in the US you could get the same stuff from with cash and no ID! I will admit I was a bit curious about the peptide bonding he was alluding to with regards to LSD synthesis, but out of all the bs out of that guys mouth that was the only thing that peeked my interest (and for all I know that was bs too).
Oh you mean this development https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/lsd.coupling.agents.html also something good ol ronnie pulled out of a google search. I've been told by some older bees that this is not the end all method and there is a newer better route out there, I just haven't found it yet.
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Oh you mean this development https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/lsd.coupling.agents.html also something good ol ronnie pulled out of a google search. I've been told by some older bees that this is not the end all method and there is a newer better route out there, I just haven't found it yet.
Oh hey thanks for that. I will be sure to take a good look at that when I get a chance. I guess even that was just regurgitated bs. Doesn't surprise me.
I have never taken an active role in researching lysergic chemistry so I am not, nor would be, aware of new LSD methods out there (although I am sure they are out there). From a personal standpoint I view LSD as a fascinating molecule in how only 300 molecules that make it pass the blood brain barrier can affect 100 billion neurons in such a profound way, but from a commercial standpoint I've never been attracted to LSD since it is so unstable and degrades so quickly. If I can't bury a dozen kgs in the forest and forget about them for a few years then I'm not likely to take a commercial interest in it.
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Wow. Fantastic thread and great question. 1up! *dododododoDO!*
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Go to school. Drug making is not a long career for most.
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^ one hundred percent agree with that statement.
Oh you mean this development https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/lsd.coupling.agents.html also something good ol ronnie pulled out of a google search. I've been told by some older bees that this is not the end all method and there is a newer better route out there, I just haven't found it yet.
Oh hey thanks for that. I will be sure to take a good look at that when I get a chance. I guess even that was just regurgitated bs. Doesn't surprise me.
I have never taken an active role in researching lysergic chemistry so I am not, nor would be, aware of new LSD methods out there (although I am sure they are out there). From a personal standpoint I view LSD as a fascinating molecule in how only 300 molecules that make it pass the blood brain barrier can affect 100 billion neurons in such a profound way, but from a commercial standpoint I've never been attracted to LSD since it is so unstable and degrades so quickly. If I can't bury a dozen kgs in the forest and forget about them for a few years then I'm not likely to take a commercial interest in it.
I read about them, I've never delved to deeply as it seems most of the ingredients in that potion seem to far out of reach. Hell this day and age it feels like there is a lot out of reach, tho. Yeah its crazy how promiscuous that little dose of love is, hitting and effecting all those different types of transmitters as well. She does like to get around, and in so many different positions. Also you can store it almost indefinitely if it is stored properly I believe. Non reactive environment and a container that does not allow moisture or light in. So seal that crystal up in some argon and that kg has become the best buried treasure ever.
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Yes it is. If you are having a hard time teaching yourself there are general chemistry and organic chemistry classes at your local community college. As long as you are of average intelligence and willing to put in the work to learn chemistry you should have no problem.