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Title: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: Isop on April 09, 2012, 08:24 am
Been IVing heroin for just over a month 4 times per day.   Got tired of the vomiting, the fear of overdose, the fear of accidently injecting into an artery, being dopesick, etc.  Was a fun trip for sure, but glad I quit. 

The withdrawals were terrible after only a month of consistent use I tell you.  Spent 3 days in the fetal position shivering.   On day 7 and feeling better though.

From my experience I would say that unless you have nothing to live for, this is a drug that is best left alone. 

Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: PriscillaMarie90 on April 09, 2012, 09:43 am
Congratulations, I have never been addicted to heroin but I know that it's one of the hardest things to possibly go through. You're very very brave and strong to have conquered it on your own, I hope things continue to improve for you and you can be happy.
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: tordemon on April 09, 2012, 11:47 pm
Props. I only ever made it up to smoking, and that was relatively difficult to quit, even though I only did it for like a week straight. I can't imagine how difficult it was to quit after a whole month.

Can you elaborate on what was the impetus for quitting?
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: themessenger2 on April 10, 2012, 01:29 am
Can you elaborate on what was the impetus for quitting?

Oh you know... it probably had something to do with all the reasons listed here.

Been IVing heroin for just over a month 4 times per day.   Got tired of the vomiting, the fear of overdose, the fear of accidently injecting into an artery, being dopesick, etc.  Was a fun trip for sure, but glad I quit. 

The withdrawals were terrible after only a month of consistent use I tell you.  Spent 3 days in the fetal position shivering.   On day 7 and feeling better though.

From my experience I would say that unless you have nothing to live for, this is a drug that is best left alone.
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: Regional1 on April 10, 2012, 03:49 am
I have no doubt that it was difficult to do as I've been there done that, but you should also know that next time (if there a next time) likely won't be as easy.  A week-long recovery is best case scenario, honestly.  A month with only a few minutes sleep each day/night is something I've seen with my own little eyes.  It can take almost a year to feel 'normal' in some cases.  For reals.  Most of the public thinks it's a "week of flu like symptoms" and addiction is over.  And then there's the whole "cigarettes are harder to kick than heroin" bs.  The public really have no idea.

Still, that shit can be SOOOOoooo  good.   :)
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: Isop on April 10, 2012, 03:54 am
Congratulations, I have never been addicted to heroin but I know that it's one of the hardest things to possibly go through. You're very very brave and strong to have conquered it on your own, I hope things continue to improve for you and you can be happy.

Thanks brah.   I remember on day 3 I was taking a bath and was so sick that I almost just pissed in the tub because I was too tired to move to the toilet which was 1 foot to the right of me...  I thought the depression was the worst part though.  Still kinda dealing with it, but its slowly improving. 

Ive jumped on the steroid bandwagon and am focusing alot on weight training.  So I guess i just swapped one drug for another but steroids are alot better than heroin I guess. 
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: Isop on April 10, 2012, 03:57 am
I have no doubt that it was difficult to do as I've been there done that, but you should also know that next time (if there a next time) likely won't be as easy.  A week-long recovery is best case scenario, honestly.  A month with only a few minutes sleep each day/night is something I've seen with my own little eyes.  It can take almost a year to feel 'normal' in some cases.  For reals.  Most of the public thinks it's a "week of flu like symptoms" and addiction is over.  And then there's the whole "cigarettes are harder to kick than heroin" bs.  The public really have no idea.

Still, that shit can be SOOOOoooo  good.   :)

Yeah, its been 8 days now and I have intense bone pains still and am sort of depressed.  Also, I find it hard to concentrate and my mind isnt as sharp as it should be.    This will take some time to clear up.... But the worst is over and current symptoms are managable. 

lol @ cigarettes harder to kick than heroin.   Not even close.   
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: GunsoftheNavarone86 on April 10, 2012, 06:35 am
...but steroids are alot better than heroin I guess.
Please be really careful man. Steroids can have all kinds of lifelong side-effects like liver damage, impotence, etc. I am by no means an expert on steroids at all, but I have seen first hand the damage they can cause. I am also a long-time heroin addict, so I'm not trying to downplay the dangers of that drug either, in fact just the opposite. I just wanted to make sure you were aware that steroids are most definitely far from damage-free or non-habit forming. Honestly, I just don't want to see you (or anyone else on here) harm themselves.

Anyhow, congrats on kicking the habit! I truly believe that heroin is by far the most dangerous drug on the face of the planet -- but like others have said, you aren't out of the woods just yet. Now you'll  be facing the depression and boredom of long-term opiate abstinence. Often those things are the most overwhelming part of living a post-junk life. I've never successfully quit the drug for good, but I have had fairly lengthy periods of clean time in the past (a few for a year or more) and I have always found my way back to shooting dope. I pray you avoid this, as it is no way to live.

I have to ask though, when you talk about vomiting in your first post of the thread, are you saying that you puked when you shot up? Or are you talking about when you were in withdrawal?
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: LittlePharma on April 10, 2012, 06:51 am
Does suboxone help H withdrawls?

Props by the way man.  Its so hard to quite the little stuff, let alone that monster.

The reason why I ask about Sub and H, is because I have a line on Sub and I would be more than happy to help if it would make you feel better.
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: Isop on April 10, 2012, 09:14 am
...but steroids are alot better than heroin I guess.
Please be really careful man. Steroids can have all kinds of lifelong side-effects like liver damage, impotence, etc. I am by no means an expert on steroids at all, but I have seen first hand the damage they can cause. I am also a long-time heroin addict, so I'm not trying to downplay the dangers of that drug either, in fact just the opposite. I just wanted to make sure you were aware that steroids are most definitely far from damage-free or non-habit forming. Honestly, I just don't want to see you (or anyone else on here) harm themselves.

Anyhow, congrats on kicking the habit! I truly believe that heroin is by far the most dangerous drug on the face of the planet -- but like others have said, you aren't out of the woods just yet. Now you'll  be facing the depression and boredom of long-term opiate abstinence. Often those things are the most overwhelming part of living a post-junk life. I've never successfully quit the drug for good, but I have had fairly lengthy periods of clean time in the past (a few for a year or more) and I have always found my way back to shooting dope. I pray you avoid this, as it is no way to live.

I have to ask though, when you talk about vomiting in your first post of the thread, are you saying that you puked when you shot up? Or are you talking about when you were in withdrawal?

Im taking injectable steroids, so there is no risk of liver damage.  I also have a solid PCT to get my hormones up and running after the cycle.  But yeah, they are dangerous too, but still alittle bit better than heroin I think. 

Yeah, im worried I will start using  again if I get a dull period in my life or something.  Thats good you have managed to get off the drug for some time.  Why did you start using again?

Didnt puke in withdrawals like most people do but not everybody does.  I would puke after I shot up.  Toward the end of the month I found I was getting used to the high and had to use more and more to get the same feeling.  I would use too much and then start vomiting after I shot up.  I dont know if I was overdosing or what. 
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: tony76 on April 10, 2012, 11:19 am
That's great to hear, brother

I have gone ahead and added you to my H "do not sell" list, just in case you need the extra help. That way i will cancel your order if you ever decide to try it again.

Hope you don't take offense to that, but i can tell you are worried about relapsing and its not what you want, so i'm just trying to help

Cheers and good luck with whatever you decide to do!
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: no_pain on April 10, 2012, 02:11 pm
That's great to hear, brother

I have gone ahead and added you to my H "do not sell" list, just in case you need the extra help. That way i will cancel your order if you ever decide to try it again.

Hope you don't take offense to that, but i can tell you are worried about relapsing and its not what you want, so i'm just trying to help

Cheers and good luck with whatever you decide to do!


wow THIS, sir is a really nice move from you!

1+ karma for this
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: Keyser_Söze on April 10, 2012, 02:58 pm
That's great to hear, brother

I have gone ahead and added you to my H "do not sell" list, just in case you need the extra help. That way i will cancel your order if you ever decide to try it again.

Hope you don't take offense to that, but i can tell you are worried about relapsing and its not what you want, so i'm just trying to help

Cheers and good luck with whatever you decide to do!

You are doing very much good for this man.
H is some very bad stuffs and I have seeing my friend have the withdrawal sicknesses for some times. This the best thing ever that you are doing my friend.
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: Raoul Duke on April 10, 2012, 03:07 pm
yeah you are the man Tony, i've karma'd you up for that as well. i would buy shit off you as well if you posted international...
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: gumpjump08 on April 10, 2012, 04:53 pm
...but steroids are alot better than heroin I guess.
Please be really careful man. Steroids can have all kinds of lifelong side-effects like liver damage, impotence, etc. I am by no means an expert on steroids at all, but I have seen first hand the damage they can cause. I am also a long-time heroin addict, so I'm not trying to downplay the dangers of that drug either, in fact just the opposite. I just wanted to make sure you were aware that steroids are most definitely far from damage-free or non-habit forming. Honestly, I just don't want to see you (or anyone else on here) harm themselves.

Anyhow, congrats on kicking the habit! I truly believe that heroin is by far the most dangerous drug on the face of the planet -- but like others have said, you aren't out of the woods just yet. Now you'll  be facing the depression and boredom of long-term opiate abstinence. Often those things are the most overwhelming part of living a post-junk life. I've never successfully quit the drug for good, but I have had fairly lengthy periods of clean time in the past (a few for a year or more) and I have always found my way back to shooting dope. I pray you avoid this, as it is no way to live.

I have to ask though, when you talk about vomiting in your first post of the thread, are you saying that you puked when you shot up? Or are you talking about when you were in withdrawal?

Im taking injectable steroids, so there is no risk of liver damage.  I also have a solid PCT to get my hormones up and running after the cycle.  But yeah, they are dangerous too, but still alittle bit better than heroin I think. 

Yeah, im worried I will start using  again if I get a dull period in my life or something.  Thats good you have managed to get off the drug for some time.  Why did you start using again?

Didnt puke in withdrawals like most people do but not everybody does.  I would puke after I shot up.  Toward the end of the month I found I was getting used to the high and had to use more and more to get the same feeling.  I would use too much and then start vomiting after I shot up.  I dont know if I was overdosing or what.

First post:
As a long time heroin and steroid user I find that I can't do both at the same time, at least not the gym part if I am using heroin.  I have been using steroids for over ten years. Always with a solid pct and always have goods on hand while using in case my estrogen spikes.  They make me feel euphoric and confident as hell!!  My fave is Test + tren + dbol.  God, gonna order a cycle soon:-) can't wait.  In the meantime it is so much easier for me to do H. 

So when I wanna kick H for a while I always use roids.  They give me a natural high(kinda) which keeps my spirits and energy levels up.  When I go off cycle it seems I revert back to H to make me happier.  I have even tried anti-depressants, they don't work the same.  I have been diagnosed with chronic depression.  Haha, maybe I have just had low Test my whole life. 

Yes, steroids compared to heroin are much safer as long as you do some research and know proper dosing, injecting, pct and how all the drugs may interact with each other.  Steroids is #146 on the list of reasons people are admitted into the emergency room for ingestion.  Haha, Vitamin C and taking daily vitamins have more people taken to the ER!!!  But as GunsoftheNavarone86 said they can be dangerous with oral use and ignorance.

Glad you kicked it bro!!!  I stopped two weeks ago after a 4 month binge on H.  God damn that sucked.  Lots of hot showers and long walks helped.  Walking helps with the muscle cramps/aches and overallbody pain.  That is if you can walk!!  I missed a whole week of work.  Shitting myself, puking headaches, muscle cramps, super intense chills, muscle weakness, and then insomnia and depression.  Today is day 13 for me.  Each day I see an improvement. Slept like 4 hours straight last night!!  I know that doesnt seem like much to some people, but after going whole days and nights without a wink of sleep it feels great!!!  My social life is coming back around too.  Still a little low on energy.  Tried exercising a few times and get winded real easy.  Going for short hikes to build up the cardio slowly.  I am guessing it will take me another two weeks to feel "normal" again.

Even after going through all this, I am pretty sure I will use H again.  I know, fucked up.  Gonna try and go the whole summer without touching it.  Planning a good summer roid cycle:-)  Just have to get back in shape before I start up again!

Congrats Isop!!! 

Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: Mrambulancedriver on April 10, 2012, 05:03 pm
Thats awesome Isop. I've got a close friend whose been clean for about a year
He used to IV a lot, he said he would get to the point where he just would fuck over anyone to be able to get some. He told me the friends he hung out with weren't true friends, they would just go score together and use together. If anything he said they really got on each others nerves a lot.

That'd b really cool for vendors to put me on a "do not sell H list" I've been thinking about trying it.....But I'm almost certain i would fall in love and go from there...

My buddy said the worst part about quitting was never wanting to move, never wanting to do anything, just thinking about heroin, and then your super depressed because you know thats all you think about and you feel like shit because of it.
He's a really awesome guy though, like I assume you are Isop, its always good to know people are taking positive control of their lives and making things better.


Keep on keepin' on brothers. 'SLAYER' all around, as they say.
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: Isop on April 11, 2012, 01:35 am
That's great to hear, brother

I have gone ahead and added you to my H "do not sell" list, just in case you need the extra help. That way i will cancel your order if you ever decide to try it again.

Hope you don't take offense to that, but i can tell you are worried about relapsing and its not what you want, so i'm just trying to help

Cheers and good luck with whatever you decide to do!

No offense taken.   Unless I break a leg or something I dont want to use heroin again.  Maybe let me buy other stuff from you though like mdma or whatever? 
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: Isop on April 11, 2012, 01:41 am
...but steroids are alot better than heroin I guess.


First post:
As a long time heroin and steroid user I find that I can't do both at the same time, at least not the gym part if I am using heroin.  I have been using steroids for over ten years. Always with a solid pct and always have goods on hand while using in case my estrogen spikes.  They make me feel euphoric and confident as hell!!  My fave is Test + tren + dbol.  God, gonna order a cycle soon:-) can't wait.  In the meantime it is so much easier for me to do H. 

So when I wanna kick H for a while I always use roids.  They give me a natural high(kinda) which keeps my spirits and energy levels up.  When I go off cycle it seems I revert back to H to make me happier.  I have even tried anti-depressants, they don't work the same.  I have been diagnosed with chronic depression.  Haha, maybe I have just had low Test my whole life. 

Yes, steroids compared to heroin are much safer as long as you do some research and know proper dosing, injecting, pct and how all the drugs may interact with each other.  Steroids is #146 on the list of reasons people are admitted into the emergency room for ingestion.  Haha, Vitamin C and taking daily vitamins have more people taken to the ER!!!  But as GunsoftheNavarone86 said they can be dangerous with oral use and ignorance.

Glad you kicked it bro!!!  I stopped two weeks ago after a 4 month binge on H.  God damn that sucked.  Lots of hot showers and long walks helped.  Walking helps with the muscle cramps/aches and overallbody pain.  That is if you can walk!!  I missed a whole week of work.  Shitting myself, puking headaches, muscle cramps, super intense chills, muscle weakness, and then insomnia and depression.  Today is day 13 for me.  Each day I see an improvement. Slept like 4 hours straight last night!!  I know that doesnt seem like much to some people, but after going whole days and nights without a wink of sleep it feels great!!!  My social life is coming back around too.  Still a little low on energy.  Tried exercising a few times and get winded real easy.  Going for short hikes to build up the cardio slowly.  I am guessing it will take me another two weeks to feel "normal" again.

Even after going through all this, I am pretty sure I will use H again.  I know, fucked up.  Gonna try and go the whole summer without touching it.  Planning a good summer roid cycle:-)  Just have to get back in shape before I start up again!

Congrats Isop!!!

Glad to hear you kicked it too brah.  I know what you mean, now that its over it doesnt seem like heroin was that bad and that next time you will be able to control it...

Yeah the gym and heroin doesnt mix.  Same here got my letro, armidex, nolva and clomid on hand just incase.  Not planning on running an AI with my test cycle unless gyno flares up though.  The confidence on roids is got to be the best part. Feel alpha as fuck man.   The steroids definitely help to get you functioning normally quicker after heroin cessation.  Good luck on your cycle!  Bitches will be mirin' us this summer
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: Cuddles on April 11, 2012, 07:45 am
Congrats on kicking your habit. One question though. Are you going to kick drugs all together or continue using others besides heroin? I've never faced an addiction to any opiates or drugs in general, but I've heard about how people kick one drug by doing another drug. Like the person before stated, he does steroids instead of heroin sometimes. (Excuse me if I'm stating this wrong, I only went through the post quickly) So do you plan on taking another drug to help avoid using heroin? If so I'd suggest looking into LSD. I've heard heroin can give a blissful feeling from friends, and that LSD gives feelings of peace and euphoria. LSD isn't addictive at all, unless you're weak minded, but based on the fact you kicked heroin I think you'll be okay.
Congrats on kicking heroin, and good luck in the future. Just curious, how much did you spend on your habit weekly?
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: GunsoftheNavarone86 on April 11, 2012, 10:04 am
Im taking injectable steroids, so there is no risk of liver damage.  I also have a solid PCT to get my hormones up and running after the cycle.  But yeah, they are dangerous too, but still alittle bit better than heroin I think. 

Yeah, im worried I will start using  again if I get a dull period in my life or something.  Thats good you have managed to get off the drug for some time.  Why did you start using again?

Didnt puke in withdrawals like most people do but not everybody does.  I would puke after I shot up.  Toward the end of the month I found I was getting used to the high and had to use more and more to get the same feeling.  I would use too much and then start vomiting after I shot up.  I dont know if I was overdosing or what.

I had no idea that injecting steroids is safer than taking them orally, shows how much I know heh  ;) It sounds like you know what you're doing though, and you've made it clear that you realize there is always risk involved, so I'm sure you are doing them as safely as possible -- cheers man! Since I have some free time, I'm going to type out kind of a lengthy response to your post, so if you are busy skip over my reply for now  8)

     People tend to thing Heroin is like the most damaging thing you can do to your body, but truthfully the most dangerous aspects of H in terms of long-term damage are caused by: 1: The cuts found in street level heroin, which can be anything from sleepinol to shoe polish, and 2: the consequences of years of injecting drugs (i.e. collapsed veins, endocarditis, poor circulation). There is also the concern of contracting diseases like HIV/AIDS and Hep. C, but these can be avoided by simply never sharing needles and other equipment. Plus, they are spread by injecting anything, not just heroin. The most immediate danger to one's health is definitely overdose, so dosage is crucial.
     Obviously, like any street drug, one has no idea what purity they are getting. This is why to be safe you should always do a teeny tiny shot with any new batch, then work your way up to a good dosage. Problem is you have to do this every time you score; I have had junk that I bought back to back which looked and smelled exactly the same but was way different in terms of strength. That being said if one has access to relatively pure H, and they practice safe injection techniques (rotating injection sites, new needle every shot, sterile environment, proper filtration, etc.), they can spend pretty much their entire lives on heroin and face no major life-threatening health consequences (as long as they don't over do it on the dosage!!). In contrast Meth is WAAAAY more damaging to your body than heroin is, just look at what it does to your teeth, and it makes the user a fucking maniac over years of abuse.

     As far as you're statement about a dull period in your life, and going back to using: this is the real battle with quitting heroin. IMO, there are several important things which will help you to stay clean for good: First, get a good support group of clean people, well at least people who don't use heroin. These people will hopefully help you to see the joys of life outside of using, and they can help you through any rough patches when you might want to use. Also, exercise is extremely important (obviously you are already doing this with the roids and all). Part of feeling normal after heroin abuse comes from getting your body to start producing its own endorphins again, one of the ways you get this jump started is through a good work-out regimen. Nutrition is also really important. You may also really consider seeing a professional therapist if need be. Struggling with addiction (ESPECIALLY TO OPIATES!) will be the single hardest struggle of your life, and if you find yourself depressed and wanting to use again, a psychiatrist may be able to provide ways to help (including medication if need be).
     You asked me why I ended up going back to the drug, the reasons are many. I tried all the things I just told you to do in the paragraph above, and honestly they did help -- they're a good part of how I ended up getting any good clean time at all. For me though, I eventually relapsed different ways each time. Once it had to do with a girl whom I thought I was in love with, and I thought she was the only one who truly understood me. She is a heroin addict also, and she got clean the same time as me. We attended AA meetings together (BTW AA is a whole different subject I could go off on but won't, if it helps you great, but I personally think it does jack shit), we swore we would never use again and all that but eventually she ended up relapsing first. I couldn't bring myself to leave her. It wasn't long before I was using too and back to being a full-blown junkie once again. After a while, she left me for my friend (another junkie). Funny how life works out huh?

     Other reasons I have relapsed: when I lost a job I had for years when the economy tanked in '08, depression caused by long term addiction, withdrawal from suboxone, and on and on. Basically, I am a junkie for life dude -- even if I quit for good I am always going to be a junkie. There is a little voice in the back of my mind telling me to use 24/7 and sometimes I can ignore it for a while (even years like I said), but eventually it just takes that one slip up and I am back into the cycle of addiction. This is what I meant by, "pray you avoid it." It causes nothing but pain and misery in the long run, and a sincere junk habit is for life. If you have been using for months, even a year, its not too late! It is once you have eclipsed the 2 year mark IMO that basically there is no turning back, your habit has continued too long and your brain has been permanently altered to crave heroin (or opiates in general).
     That doesn't mean you can't ever stop, but most people aren't able to. Fuck check this one out -- the last time I was in rehab the guy who was the #2 administrator of the whole place was an old-school junkie. He had been clean something like 30 years and the last month I was there he fucking relapsed and got fired! I saw him a year or so later and asked him why it happened and he told me his wife left him and shit but also that, like I said, that god damned voice in your head never goes away, and he just wanted to use one more time, AFTER 30 YEARS!! Ok, nuff said for now, I don't want to write a novel on here, but I just wanted to share  ;D Oh BTW, with your puking thing -- some people just puke when they use but I would say it could have also been the cut in whatever junk you were getting, and you may have used too much. Hard to say, but I will only puke if I have been clean a while and I over do it on the dosage. Hopefully you'll never find out what caused the puking since you are never going to use again, right?  ;D Best of luck bro, and if you or anybody need to to talk please don't hesitate to message me, I'm usually on here at least once a day.
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: cacoethes on April 11, 2012, 04:46 pm
Congratulations, Isop, and anyone else who's ever kicked a habit.

I kicked H by going to a clinic, stabilizing on 40mgs of 'done, and tapering off over a period of about six months.  Even that wasn't painless, and the worst part was that it seemed to take FOREVER.

Another reason I love SR...  I can chip without having an immediate hookup to jump start another habit! :) 
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: 34tuforlunch on April 11, 2012, 05:13 pm
Gradtz on kicking the habit, im 17 and have tried basicly everything atleast once except for opiates, worried their goona be my downfall =L.
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: gumpjump08 on April 11, 2012, 06:13 pm
Gradtz on kicking the habit, im 17 and have tried basicly everything atleast once except for opiates, worried their goona be my downfall =L.

Just a word from me.
If you try opiates, I would say there is a 99% chance you will love them. (I do know someone who cant stand them) I don't want to sound like your parent or guidance councilor but that shit is super addictive and usually fairly easy to get, mostly in pill form.  I started with Lortabs, had a friend that got a script for 120 7.5's each month.  I bought every single one off him.  Next came oxy, then finally H.  I had a "grip" on things till I tried H.  Now I live paycheck to paycheck, sometimes using payday loans and it's a close call paying rent each month because I cut it so close.

There probably isn't an hour each day that goes by without me thinking about shooting up.  The mental addiction is 10 times worse than the physical, IMO.  It hasn't ruined my life per se, but has made it infinitely harder.  Hard to hold a good girlfriend while using too.

Stick with weed or something relatively safe if you feel you must do something, just stay away from H. 

Off my soapbox now :)
Title: Re: Kicked heroin this week
Post by: rasspects on April 12, 2012, 04:01 am
That's great to hear, brother

I have gone ahead and added you to my H "do not sell" list, just in case you need the extra help. That way i will cancel your order if you ever decide to try it again.

Hope you don't take offense to that, but i can tell you are worried about relapsing and its not what you want, so i'm just trying to help

Cheers and good luck with whatever you decide to do!


tony ive never ordered from you yet but ive seen your posts, your reputation and your followers posts and already thought highly of you as a vendor both in honesty and morally. this posting of yours takes it to another level on the moral part. you are a shining example of a responsible good guy selling a product that many people arent fit to sell or take. hats off and kudos to you bro!