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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: DEBT SLAVERY 101 on August 15, 2013, 09:26 pm
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I know there's an insane amount of info on here for newbs and those seeking the right answer. So if anyone has a good link that'd be great too.
Regarding the use of Fedex or UPS for US deliveries when USPS will not deliver to your home address:
I have a location I want a friend (non SR related) to deliver to using UPS or Fedex as the USPS will not deliver to the address I'm trying for. USPS will only hold it at the po and the address recipient does not want to go to the PO and pick it up.
How tough or difficult is it to ship anon using one of the two?
Does ups require ID for retail store shippings?
Do most people here think it's just best to send using usps anyway and write on box "hold at PO"?
Are there any vendors in US that do in fact use UPS or Fedex that anyone here knows about?
Thanks for any suggestions
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USPS can't open the mail without a warrant. FEDEX and UPS can open any package they want. Unless you're a pro don't use FEDEX or UPS.
If you're talking about sending something like weed then you need to make sure it is in a scent-proof bag such as a moisture barrier bag (MBB). Lots of stinky weed packages get caught, even my USPS which can get a warrant if the package alerts a drug dog.
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What kind of address in the US won't USPS deliver too? Is it possibly so remote that they just don't send a mail carrier out there?
I guess this may not be a question you don't want to answer as to not give away too much info, but I'm just genuinely curious. I figured all of the US was covered by USPS.
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USPS can't open the mail without a warrant.
That is a common misconception. I also usually don't ever correct people when I see it on here but I have the urge to correct it this time. USPS can't open FIRST CLASS mail without a warrant. They CAN open express and priority mail without a warrant.
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Jack, call me ......
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From my knowledge that can open express without a warrant, priority and first class they require a warrant. But really guys, I bet they open and reseal packages without warrants on a daily basis.
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USPS can't open the mail without a warrant.
That is a common misconception. I also usually don't ever correct people when I see it on here but I have the urge to correct it this time. USPS can't open FIRST CLASS mail without a warrant. They CAN open express and priority mail without a warrant.
They can't open priority or express without a warrant either. I researched it. I didn't keep references.
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USPS can't open the mail without a warrant.
That is a common misconception. I also usually don't ever correct people when I see it on here but I have the urge to correct it this time. USPS can't open FIRST CLASS mail without a warrant. They CAN open express and priority mail without a warrant.
They can't open priority or express without a warrant either. I researched it. I didn't keep references.
Why argue with me when I am clearly correct? Asking your stoner buddy or the bartender at your local pub will not yield you an accurate answer. That is bad research my friend.
I will quote a government site for reference to my correct answer. On all of my other usernames and vendor accounts I never correct anyone. One day I just got so tired of seeing hundreds of posts of bullshit information and I started posting from this account. I usually ignore incorrect information but in this case you argued with me so I will provide proof that I am right and you sir are pulling incorrect information out of your asshole.
"First-Class letters and parcels are protected against search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, and, as such, cannot be opened without a search warrant. If there is probable cause to believe the contents of a First-Class letter or parcel violate federal law, Postal Inspectors can obtain a search warrant to open the mailpiece. Other classes of mail do not contain private correspondence, and therefore may be opened without a warrant."
https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/contactUs/faq.aspx
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hi hi
jack is that all USPS employees or just the postal inspectors that can open priority/express without warrant?
isnt there only something like a few hundred postal inspectors spread throughout the whole USA?
i much prefer the odds of just a few hundred vs a few hundred thousand that can ruin our days.....
xoxo
-mb
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Well, I believe most of us saw the post carrier thread where him or someone mentioned their dad worked in the express department and would covertly open, check, and close up packages on the reg.... right?
I also had heard that all FC, priority and express are considered first class. Not sure about that but I believe I'd heard it.
And yes, the address/area I'm talking about does NOT receive usps delivery. They do receive fedex and ups. I recall a package went there through ups but got sent as a usps delivery and got held up at the PO. The addressee went and picked it up at the post office. So it's just outside of their delivery area.
I personally think picking up a held package at the po is no problem.
And I've also heard of plenty of thefts from UPS and FEDEX and I think that issue in particular is related to savvy bitch ups and fedex store employees who have learned to spot weed shippers. And the more I think about it, the less I want to recommend using the other two.
But sometimes there just isn't a feasible address to use for usps.
Sincerely, Puzzled.
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hi hi
jack is that all USPS employees or just the postal inspectors that can open priority/express without warrant?
isnt there only something like a few hundred postal inspectors spread throughout the whole USA?
i much prefer the odds of just a few hundred vs a few hundred thousand that can ruin our days.....
xoxo
-mb
That I am really not sure about. Just think about how many packages are in the postal system daily though. Just blend blend blend in with everything else. ;)
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USPS can't open the mail without a warrant.
That is a common misconception. I also usually don't ever correct people when I see it on here but I have the urge to correct it this time. USPS can't open FIRST CLASS mail without a warrant. They CAN open express and priority mail without a warrant.
They can't open priority or express without a warrant either. I researched it. I didn't keep references.
Why argue with me when I am clearly correct? Asking your stoner buddy or the bartender at your local pub will not yield you an accurate answer. That is bad research my friend.
I will quote a government site for reference to my correct answer. On all of my other usernames and vendor accounts I never correct anyone. One day I just got so tired of seeing hundreds of posts of bullshit information and I started posting from this account. I usually ignore incorrect information but in this case you argued with me so I will provide proof that I am right and you sir are pulling incorrect information out of your asshole.
"First-Class letters and parcels are protected against search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, and, as such, cannot be opened without a search warrant. If there is probable cause to believe the contents of a First-Class letter or parcel violate federal law, Postal Inspectors can obtain a search warrant to open the mailpiece. Other classes of mail do not contain private correspondence, and therefore may be opened without a warrant."
https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/contactUs/faq.aspx
Well, that's a pretty good reference.
My research was reading court documents and such. Your reference says that other classes of mail don't contain personal correspondence which is rubbish. Anyway, I'll report back when I find some references for what I found. Thanks.
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USPS can't open the mail without a warrant.
That is a common misconception. I also usually don't ever correct people when I see it on here but I have the urge to correct it this time. USPS can't open FIRST CLASS mail without a warrant. They CAN open express and priority mail without a warrant.
They can't open priority or express without a warrant either. I researched it. I didn't keep references.
Why argue with me when I am clearly correct? Asking your stoner buddy or the bartender at your local pub will not yield you an accurate answer. That is bad research my friend.
I will quote a government site for reference to my correct answer. On all of my other usernames and vendor accounts I never correct anyone. One day I just got so tired of seeing hundreds of posts of bullshit information and I started posting from this account. I usually ignore incorrect information but in this case you argued with me so I will provide proof that I am right and you sir are pulling incorrect information out of your asshole.
"First-Class letters and parcels are protected against search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, and, as such, cannot be opened without a search warrant. If there is probable cause to believe the contents of a First-Class letter or parcel violate federal law, Postal Inspectors can obtain a search warrant to open the mailpiece. Other classes of mail do not contain private correspondence, and therefore may be opened without a warrant."
https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/contactUs/faq.aspx
Not calling you out to start shit when you know to open a response with: "Why argue with me when I am clearly correct? Asking your stoner buddy or the bartender at your local pub will not yield you an accurate answer. That is bad research my friend."
, but if you're inaccurate (as I believe), I don't want people having misinformation and shipping 1st class with a stamp when they could have sent priority with the same protections.
Forgive my source, when I received a sketchy package I found this better sourced on the intrawebz, just don't have time to scour for it now.
*clearnet 4chan /b supnerds? tacotuesday warning*
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081023092725AAxNIjB
From my, typically correct, understanding; Priority and Priority Express are regarded as First Class Mail, therefore cannot be opened *legally* (mind if we search the vehicle? lolz) without a warrant.
Not saying you are wrong, just saying it's my opinion that I'm right. Plus my Yahoo answers source is a "24 year old postal worker," seems legit, I believe him!
Stellar PV by the way :)
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Ask the postal worker by the username pstlwrkr or whatever his name was. He even mentioned that express can be opened. First class is not the same as priority and express. First class is what you are supposed to use for sensitive documents and records which is why it is protected. I have to leave for several hours. I will ask the postal worker after I catch up on business when I return. Me and him converse privately on a weekly basis. He's a nice guy.
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Like I said, I'm not stating you're wrong. Besides the fact pstlwrkr is an interactive source, I'd attribute the same credibility to him as the fella on Yahoo Answers claiming otherwise. I'm fuzzy about Express, but I'm almost 100% that Priority is in the same boat as First Class with respect to warrants to open. After receiving a package with a slit on the side I spent quite a while looking into it and that was the result of my endeavors.
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Somebody call up a postal inspector on the phone and ask.
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http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-12-03/news/bs-md-ci-drugs-in-mail-20121203_1_recreational-marijuana-medical-marijuana-drug-laws
"Express Mail and Priority Mail services are regularly used to ship controlled substances and bulk cash through the U.S. Mail," postal inspector Christopher Callahan wrote in the search warrant applications.
http://www.metnews.com/articles/gill020702.htm
Post Office May Hold Express Mail to Obtain Search Warrant—Court
The Postal Service did not violate the Fourth Amendment when it held an express mail package for six days before obtaining a warrant to search it for drugs, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled yesterday.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcryptome.org%2Fisp-spy%2Fusps-spy.pdf
http://www.fedagent.com/columns/case-law-updates/132-eighth-circuit-held-that-postal-inspector-had-reasonable-suspicion-to-seize-and-obtain-warrant-to-search-suspicious-mail-package
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit decided the issue of whether a postal inspector violated a defendant's Fourth Amendment constitutional rights by seizing a package from a mail cart that contained methamphetamine.
In this case, U.S. Postal Inspector Kevin Marshall, a law enforcement officer, was conducting a routine examination of Express Mail packages
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcryptome.org%2Fisp-spy%2Fusps-spy.pdf
“Sealed mail” means mail on which appropriate postage is paid, and which, under postal laws and regulations, is included within a class of mail maintained by the Postal Service for the transmission of letters sealed against inspection, including First-Class Mail, Priority Mail, Express Mail (domestic and international), Mailgram messages, Global Express Guaranteed Document service, Global Priority Mail service, International Priority Airmail service, international Letter Post Mail other than International Surface Airlift service and Publishers’ Periodicals, and international transit mail.
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http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-12-03/news/bs-md-ci-drugs-in-mail-20121203_1_recreational-marijuana-medical-marijuana-drug-laws
"Express Mail and Priority Mail services are regularly used to ship controlled substances and bulk cash through the U.S. Mail," postal inspector Christopher Callahan wrote in the search warrant applications.
http://www.metnews.com/articles/gill020702.htm
Post Office May Hold Express Mail to Obtain Search Warrant—Court
The Postal Service did not violate the Fourth Amendment when it held an express mail package for six days before obtaining a warrant to search it for drugs, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled yesterday.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcryptome.org%2Fisp-spy%2Fusps-spy.pdf
http://www.fedagent.com/columns/case-law-updates/132-eighth-circuit-held-that-postal-inspector-had-reasonable-suspicion-to-seize-and-obtain-warrant-to-search-suspicious-mail-package
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit decided the issue of whether a postal inspector violated a defendant's Fourth Amendment constitutional rights by seizing a package from a mail cart that contained methamphetamine.
In this case, U.S. Postal Inspector Kevin Marshall, a law enforcement officer, was conducting a routine examination of Express Mail packages
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcryptome.org%2Fisp-spy%2Fusps-spy.pdf
“Sealed mail” means mail on which appropriate postage is paid, and which, under postal laws and regulations, is included within a class of mail maintained by the Postal Service for the transmission of letters sealed against inspection, including First-Class Mail, Priority Mail, Express Mail (domestic and international), Mailgram messages, Global Express Guaranteed Document service, Global Priority Mail service, International Priority Airmail service, international Letter Post Mail other than International Surface Airlift service and Publishers’ Periodicals, and international transit mail.
So in essence this all means I was unilaterally correct?
@Jack, #callme