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Title: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: zvp1014 on April 02, 2013, 05:11 am
I've used plenty of softer substances in the past- pot, good ol' alcohol (blegh), acid, benzos on prescription, Ecstasy and whatnot– but the big no-nos for me have always been Coke, Meth, bizarre designer chemicals like bath salts, prescription opiates and heroin.

However, I'm curious- what's the fun in heroin? Before you need it to satisfy an addiction, that is. Is it relaxation, floatiness- what is the 'high' per-say?

Also, if you simply wanted to try heroin but not fall into an addiction- is this possible? Let's say you purchase a small amount off SR, then restrict yourself from purchasing any more online or local. How hard will the withdrawal symptoms hit, and how long will you have to wait until they disappear?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: grdr on April 02, 2013, 05:27 am
no it's satisfying a psychological addiction and if you have physical addiction especially that. psychological addiction - craving for it and not doing for some time then doing it and getting warm and comfortable nothing special at first or if you have physical curing yourself getting from feeling like shit to getting very comfortable , warm ... It's just satisfying yourself by doing it when your brain gets used to it. At first you might not even notice it's effects.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: Green Haze on April 02, 2013, 05:41 am
I have found that enjoying a "lazy" from time to time (months+ apart) is no issue and very relaxing. You pretty much roll your rolling paper up into a tube, draw the liquid into the paper, let it dry, and then introduce miss jane. This brings on a very LAZY buzz... you will be stuck so put on a nice movie or 3. I have never used IV for this and wouldn't. The shit grabs you full force if you aren't careful.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: KintaroBC on April 02, 2013, 06:26 am
I've used it six times just to fight to effects and I'm never going to use it again just to prove a point about junkies. It's very addictive stuff, I still end up thinking about using it again when I'm sad. The effects will be burned into your memory for life.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: zvp1014 on April 02, 2013, 05:56 pm
So... no real positives then? From what I gather it's just a lazy relaxation that you'll only want to do again to satisfy cravings?

Any other opinions? The likelihood is that I may not try it as I've been addicted to substances as simple as caffeine; but I'm curious if there is any 'fun' to it.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: intothewild on April 02, 2013, 06:55 pm
I haven't done it but I want to tell you DONT do it.
It is not worth the risk. I prefer to fantasize about it, once youve gone there, especially Heroin, that's it then, its got to be the ultimate feeling.
If i did it, id be in the gutter and end up dead I reckon because id love it sooo much.

IM some ketamine, it's apparently a lot like the floaty rush of herion..  i do it a lot and its blissful but that does get psychologically addictive. Not as bad as heroin tho.

IM K is so fun floaty and peaceful if you do a little starting off :)
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: connoisseur on April 02, 2013, 06:58 pm
The first time is so great that users chase that feeling for the rest of their effed up lives, but it can never be repeated fully.
Psychological addiction sets in fairly quick (days) whereas physical dependance takes a while (a few weeks)
Smoke it, snort it or chase the dragon, but only once, not twice.
Be careful not to overdose, so read up and best ask the vendor on what you should take as that ONE dose of your life.
Remember an experience, don't create yourself a problem.
All this applies only to a responsible drug user. From the OP I take it you are.
This is for heroin. If yu want to have the nicest opiate expereince of all, sample opium.
I would never take any of that synthetic shit (roxies etc.) which are plainly dull but very addictive with hellish long drawn withdrawals.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: grdr on April 02, 2013, 07:34 pm
So... no real positives then? From what I gather it's just a lazy relaxation that you'll only want to do again to satisfy cravings?

Any other opinions? The likelihood is that I may not try it as I've been addicted to substances as simple as caffeine; but I'm curious if there is any 'fun' to it.

Listen it depends on the person for me for example meth is lazy drug I just want to listen to music while on it but while on heroin I want to do things and I'm much more productive because I have a feeling that I can do anything in a world so it's stimulating/sedating depending on the person. I'm one of those people "who can do it recreationally" and with needle mind you I can do cocaine/heroin in one needle recreationally too but so what I'm not really happy I have constant cravings and they never seem to go away so the moral or friendly advice is stay the fuck away for your own well being - mental - if you can handle it - or if you can't you will destroy your life. It's a gambe you just don't know how your brain will react to it. Sometimes - most of the times - hell all the time  I DON'T HAVE THESE DRUGS I wish I never tried them at all and should have done only non addictive ones. But everyone decides for themselves I'm not regretting my decision but I'm not happy about it either these fucking cravings feels like they're burned into my brain.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: grdr on April 02, 2013, 07:41 pm
The first time is so great that users chase that feeling for the rest of their effed up lives, but it can never be repeated fully.
Psychological addiction sets in fairly quick (days) whereas physical dependance takes a while (a few weeks)
Smoke it, snort it or chase the dragon, but only once, not twice.
Be careful not to overdose, so read up and best ask the vendor on what you should take as that ONE dose of your life.
Remember an experience, don't create yourself a problem.
All this applies only to a responsible drug user. From the OP I take it you are.
This is for heroin. If yu want to have the nicest opiate expereince of all, sample opium.
I would never take any of that synthetic shit (roxies etc.) which are plainly dull but very addictive with hellish long drawn withdrawals.

media bullshit the first times - first 3 days more specifically is shit (nausea, no noticable rush if injected but your brain starts to want it anyways). Then when your body gets used to it then you'll know all about it ( it starts to get used to after 3 days - that means physical addiction starts to build up). Feeling is really great when you wake up in a morning before a hard days work and start to feel sick and you know you HAVE a fix that will give you great warm rush, great energy, great mood its just amazing.

P.S. Deeper into addiction rushes get more enjoyable and more intense.

P.S.S. If you want something like BANG for the first time buy cocaine and try injecting it.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: Namarrg0n on April 02, 2013, 08:56 pm
*subscribing*
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: sofish89 on April 02, 2013, 09:04 pm
I haven't done it but I want to tell you DONT do it.
It is not worth the risk. I prefer to fantasize about it, once youve gone there, especially Heroin, that's it then, its got to be the ultimate feeling.
If i did it, id be in the gutter and end up dead I reckon because id love it sooo much.

IM some ketamine, it's apparently a lot like the floaty rush of herion..  i do it a lot and its blissful but that does get psychologically addictive. Not as bad as heroin tho.

IM K is so fun floaty and peaceful if you do a little starting off :)
Or SNIFF some k.. IM isnt that much better than sniffing from wat ive heard. Whats with everyone and IM'ing k nowdays
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: zvp1014 on April 03, 2013, 12:24 am
P.S.S. If you want something like BANG for the first time buy cocaine and try injecting it.
Thing with coke is I'm not very fond of feeling rushed an energetic- I'm incredibly anxiety prone so I'm afraid coke will worsen that.

I take benzos as needed but I feel as if they've done jack shit (including the first time, and I've switched from Ativan to Xanax with minimal uses; if I take a double dose even a few hours apart I become unable to function / ready to sleep however).

What I'm really looking for is a substance I can feel relaxed on, for once; LSD is insanely fun but once I get past the 5 or 6 hour mark I mostly want to sleep and can't; Ecstasy, depending on the MDxx leaves me feeling pretty empty and I fear brain damage; and Coke/Meth sound... terrible to me, but that may be as I haven't tried them. I do find caffeine incredibly relaxing so perhaps they might relax me as well.

The mere fact that I'm anxiety prone is dissuading me from Opioids because if they can effectively reduce my anxiety I fear addiction. I did overcome a psychological and physical caffeine addiction- but that's fucking caffeine, not heroin.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: anex45 on April 05, 2013, 02:01 pm
I've experienced practically every single drug out there and heroin gives me the greatest euphoria over any other drug. Heroin itself is nontoxic so it does very little (if any at all according to many research reports) damage to your body compared to other drugs. The dangers of heroin use stem from overdosing (although in all my years of using I have never overdosed and neither have any of my friends) and using dirty syringes or unsafe injection procedures (easily prevented...you can buy packs of syringes for $2 at Walmart or visit your local needle exchange).

I've been using heroin for 10+ years off and on (2 years snorting and the rest as an IV user) and I live near by the "Heroin Capital of the U.S." so it's very cheap (a $10 bag can have even an opiate tolerant user catching a great buzz here), very good, and all over the place. It's kinda hard to describe all the amazing effects of heroin and not to mention every user has a different experience with it.

Personally, when I get a few bags of heroin...I get excited cooking a bag up in the spoon and once I have hit a vein and push the plunger down - the intense rush and euphoria is AMAZING. I immediately feel like I'm on top of the world and become overwhelmed with feelings of happiness and well being and I get extremely sociable and hyper wanting to talk to everyone. It also gives me a ton of motivation and lots of self confidence.

The problem with heroin is addiction...it's quite easy to become addicted to if you have an addictive personality (I have some friends who are able to do it every now and then with no problems though). I would venture to guess that it took about 3 weeks of every day heroin use for me to first start experiencing physical withdrawals although it's my belief that the mental addiction is far worse.

Summary: I love heroin but addiction can suck and if someone asked me whether they should try it or not? I would tell them to not try it but it's totally up to them and they're free to do as they please.

EDIT: I forgot to add........sex on heroin ROCKS! and it makes you last really freaking long, your girlfriend or wife will think you're a SEX GOD!  :D
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: valakki on April 05, 2013, 04:28 pm


What I'm really looking for is a substance I can feel relaxed on

Ketamine? MXE?
or maybe some GHB? edible Cannabis?
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: Yoshitoshi on April 06, 2013, 12:28 am
As a long time smoker/drinker/snorter, I have never trusted myself to go near H. I probably score near zero on the Addictive Resistance scale.

Also, I much prefer stimulants & psychedelics to downers.

I was struck reading some of DM Turner's book (posted elsewhere on the forum) where he referred to K as "psychedelic heroin". That frightened me, as I like (insufflated) K a LOT, and I can guess at what he means. It's the one drug I can fully daydream about: dark, mysterious, relaxing, mind-blowing and seductive, all at once...

MXE is definitely a "healthy" option for instant reliable bliss. A methylated sibling of K, it does have some concerns attached to it (around the bladder...) but I think the jury is still out, especially given how relatively new it is. You only need a tiny amount, and even after a couple of years regular use, I am hard-pressed to find any negatives.

What I have been getting back to lately is "micro" doses of smoked DMT, 10-30 mg. Fucking amazing. Easy to inhale, beautiful spin on things (nothing too heavy visually) and the warmest huggiest internal glow, like a very long slow orgasm. And nourishing, not consuming. The opposite of fiendish!

A (very) wise person here basically said, if you follow a good path, you end up liking tryptamines above all other substances and I can definitely see what he means.  ::)
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: Ben on April 06, 2013, 02:16 am
Opiates are just rediciously addictive. Something like morphine will actually make you feel good despite you just came out of bone surgery.

I suppose it  is hard to describe, but opiates just make you feel better then you ever conceived to be possible, and you will do anything to retain that sensation.

This in itself is not really the problem, but the price of keeping up that habit will be.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: sofish89 on April 06, 2013, 04:23 am
Alot of opiate/heroin addicts start off by getting in really bad accidents and doctors prescribe (overprescribe?) strong painkillers to help them thru recovery. After its over, the doctor takes them off painkillers but theyre  addicted to the painkillers. So they go to the streets to find their meds. Then when they start running low on money and they cant afford to pay 80 dollars for a pill to get high their dealer tells them about this wonderful drug called heroin which is much cheaper and stronger than their pills. and the rest is history
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: anex45 on April 06, 2013, 02:37 pm

I've been using heroin for 10+ years off and on (2 years snorting and the rest as an IV user) and I live near by the "Heroin Capital of the U.S." so it's very cheap (a $10 bag can have even an opiate tolerant user catching a great buzz here), very good, and all over the place.
I dont know about your connects here but I live in the Heroin Capital of the US and i think the heroin here sucks. Its so cut up and full of shit, you need like 3 bags to feel anything.
Maybe I just have the wrong connects or something

Have you tried out different corners? Shit even the scramble I get off Pennsylvania Ave. is good. I only use one connect along with copping off a couple of corners when I just need a $20 bag or so. I don't think I have ever met anyone that couldn't find good dope in Baltimore lol it's all over the place and well known for it.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: curiositymatrix on April 06, 2013, 03:55 pm
I tried prescription opiate pills, to me it was like a weed high but with no impairment, and much more euphoria. When I smoke pot, after the first hour or 2 I start to get relaxed and sleepy (regardless of indica or sativa, the tail-ends of my highs always get lazy), almost identical to the opiate high, but less intense, and more sleepy.

That bliss, though, it took me back to the happiest I've ever felt in my life. It wasn't intense like sex, though, it was like cuddling afterwards with someone you're completely enamored with and just feeling completely consumed by your bliss. (which i also found necessary to inform my party)

Only tried it once, not really sure I want to acclimate my mind to those levels of happiness, I more enjoy the variety drugs offer, than the intense peaks any one may have.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: Yoshitoshi on April 06, 2013, 08:14 pm
That's the thing with MXE. There's an article somewhere on the clearnet, an interview with the "designer". A scientist, in bad pain, jus move that to here, OK, now you've got some mu-opioid receptor shit going on. Damned clever.

Am writing this while smoothly sliding a little MXE/5-APB combo, not too bad at all  :o
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: thegalactica420 on April 07, 2013, 09:18 am
Alot of opiate/heroin addicts start off by getting in really bad accidents and doctors prescribe (overprescribe?) strong painkillers to help them thru recovery. After its over, the doctor takes them off painkillers but theyre  addicted to the painkillers. So they go to the streets to find their meds. Then when they start running low on money and they cant afford to pay 80 dollars for a pill to get high their dealer tells them about this wonderful drug called heroin which is much cheaper and stronger than their pills. and the rest is history
I think thats somewhat of a common misconception. most patients prescribed pain meds are started out a very low dose of either hydroconde, codeine, or oxycodone. there usually given a small one time prescription for short term pain like out patient surgery or a broken arm. the chance of a physical addiction occurring is extremely low, the chance of a psychological addiction occurring is possible but still unlikely unless they have a addictive personality. if someone was in a really bad accident or had a serious bone break on something that required a long surgery they might get something like mscontin or oxycontin with hydrocodone or oxycodone for break though. any decent doc would be able to keep someone for getting addicted in any way for at least 1-2 months. if the injury requires longer use of opiates it should be handed over to a pain management doctor. they deal exclusively with long term chronic pain management and would probably prescribe oxycontin, mscontin or possibly fent patches. with most pain management doctors your meds are tightly controlled and you have to visit them several times per month. the patient is almost always going to develop a psychical dependence as would be expected and when the medication is now longer needed a long taper will begin. a taper involves either, stabilizing on a long acting opiate like oxycotin or mscontin and slowly decreasing the dose every few weeks until you can switch to hydrocodone and continue to taper with that. if the patient had a large tolerance and or the need for some pain management during the taper they would probably be switched over to methadone a synthetic extremely long lasting opiod with nmda antagonist property's. they would then be slowly tapered until they were able to get off without going into any withdrawals. in summary if the doctor is half way decent people dont develop a recreational long term addiction without the predisposition to addiction or extraordinary circumstances. just to be clear im not a doctor just a psychotropic drug enthusiast and long term chronic pain patient currently dependent on opiates. personally i dont think anyone should use heroin unless there experienced with other opiates first. if you want to see if you might enjoy opiates without much risk i recommend that you try a low dose of either hydrocodone or oxycodone. please take the time to thoroughly research any drug legal, prescription or illicit before using it. be sure to know how to dose, what to expect, what the risks are, any possible drug interactions, and that what you have is actually what you think it is. feel free to ask me any questions you may have i have a fairly broad understanding of drugs and only want to help spread legit drug education to any and all. i would also like to note that benzos ( xanax, valium kpins ect.) potentate opiates greatly. both the risks and euphoria are potentate and its much much easier to overdose if you combine them. for example you might be able to take 1mg of xanax alone and be completely fine maybe not even all that impaired. as well 10mg of hydrocodone might be a perfectly safe and euphoric dose for you but if you were to mix 1mg of xanax and 10mg of hydrocodone you could be in real trouble. please note these dosages are very very small and even none tolerant people would most likely be fine its just a point of reference. tolerance to both benzos and opiates increases the dose you can safely take but also increases the risk you might push you dosing to high and overdose. again everyone feel free to ask me any questions you might have through pm or post in the thread. remember theres no such thing as a stupid question and be safe :)
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: aussiepp on April 07, 2013, 01:34 pm
Recently I've found myself interested in trying heroin as I've never had access to it before jumping on SR.
I love codeine and oxy. I find myself questioning whether I do codeine too much... and after reading this thread I've fought the temptation to buy and try H.
Probably too risky considering I have a rather addictive personality.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: DrugsAreFun on April 07, 2013, 03:10 pm
Recently I've found myself interested in trying heroin as I've never had access to it before jumping on SR.
I love codeine and oxy. I find myself questioning whether I do codeine too much... and after reading this thread I've fought the temptation to buy and try H.
Probably too risky considering I have a rather addictive personality.

Yea... definitely wouldn't recommend heroin if you can still get high on codeine.  Codeine is one of the weakest opiates around and heroin is one of the strongest.  Oxycodone is more in the same ballpark as heroin though.  I actually prefer the oxycodone high to heroin (more stimulating instead of noddy) but heroin wins because of that IV rush and because it's cheaper.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: thegalactica420 on April 08, 2013, 04:31 am
Recently I've found myself interested in trying heroin as I've never had access to it before jumping on SR.
I love codeine and oxy. I find myself questioning whether I do codeine too much... and after reading this thread I've fought the temptation to buy and try H.
Probably too risky considering I have a rather addictive personality.
i recommend you stick to oxycodone and hydrocone if you can. if your intent on trying heroin i think you should try morphine first as most find natural opiates to be much more sedating and intense than semi synthetics like oxycondone. maybe try opium since it contains both codeine and morphine with much less potential for addiction than heroin has.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: aussiepp on April 08, 2013, 12:15 pm
Thanks for the reply guys.
Yeah I'm totally going to avoid H.
I guess part of me really wants to experience it.
I'm still young though... maybe later on in life.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: moonflower on April 11, 2013, 09:58 pm
Thanks for the reply guys.
Yeah I'm totally going to avoid H.
I guess part of me really wants to experience it.
I'm still young though... maybe later on in life.
just smoke some dmt instead. nothing really holds a candle to dimitri's flame. ;D
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: StickAFinger on April 12, 2013, 03:11 pm
dude. the whole "its better than anything ever and you wont be the same" ordeal is complete utter bullshit

Rule of thumb for you to experience it and move the fuck on (like i have)

Golden rule: dont IV.

1. buy some good heroin.  .250mg or more if you want

2. try it out. 50mg. wait..wait an hour.   see how you feel. 

3. try it again. feels good? cool

4. dont go over 2 days.

5. you went over 2 days? ok.  suck it up. be healthy, exercise. dont be a antisocial creep

6. are you weak? mentally incapable of just experiencing this and move on?  SMOKE DMT and reset everything.

7. profit
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: zvp1014 on April 12, 2013, 06:39 pm
dude. the whole "its better than anything ever and you wont be the same" ordeal is complete utter bullshit

Rule of thumb for you to experience it and move the fuck on (like i have)

Golden rule: dont IV.

So... what grade are you talking about, 1-4? Powder, black tar, etc..

And what method would you suggest for taking it? Smoking, snorting, up the ass?
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: StickAFinger on April 12, 2013, 06:51 pm
#4 all the way.  and snort it


#3 smoking tar or gun powder is just straight..boring. its like a hash high with a little mild opiate buzz..half the time your questioning if you are even fucked up.

in any case.  my reaction to opiates and heroin included is an energetic high, sometimes i nodded. but no way shape or form has it made me every mutter the words "best feeling ever....omg i wont go back." etc. etc.

those feelings belong to the real galactical lovie dovie stuff: mdma, 2cd. mescaline, dmt, changa,

stims and opiates are just not really part of that wonder.  not hating on it AT ALL. lord knows ive done benders on practically every hard substance. but what i got out of it is ...chip at it.  all of them.   no daily routine. or bust.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: zvp1014 on April 12, 2013, 07:14 pm
I'm a major LSD and MDMA fan and currently extracting DMT; my curiosities about opioids/heroin are merely to see what they're all about- I somewhat presumed that since they're the most addictive/harmful that they'd be the most fun, but it seems not.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: dinosaurpoop on April 12, 2013, 08:27 pm
From my experience, opioids and opiates provide a unique combination of pleasure and pain.  Though the returns diminish, opioids can provide an amount of euphoria that is unimaginable and indescribable to those who have never experienced it.  For many, a taste of the euphoric potential is what drives an individual to eventually try heroin.  My first overwhelming case of euphoria was when I had 10 leftover hydrocodone/APAP 5/500 pills leftover from a small surgery.  I did a cold water extraction on 5 of them (since 5g of APAP isn't good for the liver) and also ingested 5 pills directly.  It was absolutely incredible nodding off in a blissfully apathetic state of transcendental relaxation.  The next morning I was sweaty and puked some.  It was comparable to a typical hangover of mine, except I didn't have a headache and did feel somewhat anxious. 

Eventually I did decide to use H since I heard it was cheaper and stronger than using pills.  Aside from a few experiences smoking some #3, I almost invariably sniff my gear.  Though I normally just use it on the occasional weekend, I've binged before.  Withdrawal is not pleasant at all; puking bile, sweating, shitting, and feeling restless were the main difficulties.  Withdrawal, I justified to myself, was something of a tax or penalty for having surrendered to temptation and dosed on 3 or more consecutive days.  Snorting a ton of powder also didn't do me any good.  After one binge (from a free gram of NoGen's extremely potent #4) I had really nasty tonsil stones that triggered my gag reflex and had me puking constantly for a week or two.  One binge had me suffering through withdrawals at an inconvenient time, so I took a few maintenance doses before I had a weekend to waste in agony.  After this binge my nose got scabbed and gross for a while, and it took a couple weeks before it healed completely.

I still use occasionally, but I never dose on consecutive days anymore.  I occasionally will get a heroin hangover but I don't get full withdrawals this way.  Though the euphoria hasn't been as good as it once was, it's still very pleasant and helps me relax.  On smaller doses it's great in social settings for me since it completely eliminates my anxiety.  This removes my unreasonable inhibitions, but doesn't cause me to make stupid decisions unlike enough alcohol. 

Anyhow I've rambled on too much here, but I hope you can get a better sense of why people use opiates or heorin.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: zvp1014 on April 12, 2013, 09:21 pm
That pain/pleasure dynamic is interesting; while on acid I experience something similar where I purposefully seek out sensations of pain as they send me into a deep, sexual euphoria. Then again, I am a masochist.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: skeezoo8586 on April 13, 2013, 01:41 am
This is an interesting topic, a nice read. I used to have a fascination with H, thinking that it must be a whole lotta fun and that I should try it sometime. Since I've been using the internet for sourcing I look elsewhere (as in at other drugs) first, especially after my experiences with 2c-e and mxe, especially.
I'm looking for the experiences that will leave me feeling like I come out of it a better person. Tripping can be difficult for me, just as often if not more than it has been blissful, and there have been times where I thought it best not to do it again because of the mindfuck. The worst that happens is that I come out of it happy to be alive, not craving another fix like when I've binged on alcohol, OC's, coke, meth, and even weed. I know these things can be enjoyed and if they enhance your life than happy trails and best wishes to you.
I definitely relate to being wary of the addictive potential.

I do kind of want to try some of The Scurvey Crew's opium, though ;)
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: AllDayLong on April 13, 2013, 02:52 am
I just want to say you guys are all really awesome, for the heartfelt and well meaning advice you give to strangers. Love yall
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: StickAFinger on April 13, 2013, 03:29 am
i agree.


karma point all around

KARMA POINT ORGYYY
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: sofish89 on April 13, 2013, 05:43 am
well heroin is safer than  suboxone or methadone i suppose. those drugs are much more physically addictive and the withdrawals from them can last months. only downside is that the government wont pay for your heroin.. oh and suboxone/methadone is a great way for pharmaceutical companies to make money, they charge the government for keeping you addicted to drugs
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: zvp1014 on April 13, 2013, 06:06 am
well heroin is safer than  suboxone or methadone i suppose. those drugs are much more physically addictive and the withdrawals from them can last months. only downside is that the government wont pay for your heroin.. oh and suboxone/methadone is a great way for pharmaceutical companies to make money, they charge the government for keeping you addicted to drugs
Don't worry, the government won't pay for my anything as I've been given a life full of far more than I'm entitled to.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: polyphemusperception on April 13, 2013, 08:07 pm
Requiem For A Dream Or Trainspotting.............nuff said
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: StickAFinger on April 13, 2013, 08:32 pm
right. a fictitious movie.   good job ass clown.


its idiot statements like that that causes a distorted view on drugs, any of them.  get a grip you tool

go watch half baked and talk about the benefits of flying while high or better yet, stfu
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: polyphemusperception on April 13, 2013, 08:37 pm
right. a fictitious movie.   good job ass clown.


its idiot statements like that that causes a distorted view on drugs, any of them.  get a grip you tool

go watch half baked and talk about the benefits of flying while high or better yet, stfu

You are right Heroin is glamorous and fun!

Thanks for the positive feedback! I can see your Karma suits you.  ;D

Name calling is so cool.... all the cool kids are doing it.   ;D
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: dinosaurpoop on April 13, 2013, 08:55 pm
right. a fictitious movie.   good job ass clown.


its idiot statements like that that causes a distorted view on drugs, any of them.  get a grip you tool

go watch half baked and talk about the benefits of flying while high or better yet, stfu

The movies are still based on reality and touch upon some truths about heroin and addiction.  Requiem is really preachy and dramatic but it does make valid points.  I used to work in a major city with a big heroin problem, and I would occasionally see a homeless girl with an amputated left arm obviously still begging for more heroin.  So while it's certainly fair to have qualms with these movies and take their messages with a grain of salt, I think your inflammatory post doesn't really contribute to the discussion and is almost stupid in and of itself.

skeezoo8586, you have a more reasoned approach to drugs than I do nowadays.  I used to be the same way, but now I like my hedonistic pleasure-drugs   In my opinion you won't come out a better person after taking H, but then again few expect it to.  It does make you feel nice though, haha.

Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: StickAFinger on April 13, 2013, 09:48 pm
no all in all i think people off here getting H are relatively educated and kinda well brought up

at least id imagine based on how to properly get everything off here.

i just refuse to believe any drug has this auto pilot on a person. its all about the person, addictive personalities, choice, will power.

I have done it and will do it here and there...but doing it all the time or blowing wads of cash on it? no thanks

besides, i have sold off a bundle of remaining bags i had to an old highschool friend..who IS a junkie, because i got bored of it. i simply tested it and can see its social fun side and reckless side too.  but practically every drugs on here can be destructive. 

but if anyone were to recommend, should i try this? id say no. but the same can go with coke, meth, acid, mushrooms..etc.  if u have no strength within, ur done yo. 

sorry for the harsh name calling though, i agree with you, that was unnecessary , i guess i just find it weird that heroin is like THE worst drug on this site, i totally dont think so. The amount someone needs to do to be "lost" in it can differ from person to person, but you have to be pretty fucking dedicated.

its like people who are addicted to cigarettes....you were never ever hooked on the first cigg or even the first pack...but you kept doing it.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: zvp1014 on April 14, 2013, 01:00 am
i just refuse to believe any drug has this auto pilot on a person. its all about the person, addictive personalities, choice, will power.
Hrm- I'm not entirely certain as to this. For example, I became extremely addicted to caffeine and got massive withdrawal symptoms when I quit cold turkey.

Yet despite my caffeine addiction, I was able to limit myself to 1 or 2 pills of MDMA then waiting 3+ weeks to do it again- even though I got severe cravings as the peak faded, into the next day.

Perhaps it's because MDMA is demonized more socially so I felt I needed to be more careful with it- giving me more willpower to do so; whereas caffeine is socially acceptable (and encouraged in media) which would play into your point.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: skeezoo8586 on April 15, 2013, 01:42 am
The amount someone needs to do to be "lost" in it can differ from person to person, but you have to be pretty fucking dedicated.

its like people who are addicted to cigarettes....you were never ever hooked on the first cigg or even the first pack...but you kept doing it.

I think that's a valid point. I smoked cigarettes for years only at certain times, usually only when I would party on the weekends. It didn't bother me to go without cigarettes. I had to force myself into cigarette addiction because I found myself in a very dangerous, long term situation that required me to stay awake and I had limited access to caffeine. At first they really didn't taste or smell good. After chain smoking for months I couldn't quit even when though I wanted to. Eventually I quit and now the only way I can stay away from an "addicted" everyday all day habit is to just stay away from them completely.

I think if a thing is fun, you have to work at keeping it that way by respecting that and controlling what you can. If you become addicted, I think the scientific term is "dependent," then you can't really undo that.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: wasta on April 15, 2013, 02:50 am
Do not  iv , snort , im, or put it up you're ass.

The safest war is to smoke it, on a foil.

That way you can not overdose or die.
You will pass-out before it get dangerous

Heroin should be out of your system after 5 days.
To use once a week should be safe.
To stay on the safe side you have to pick your day of the week and never do it an other day.
If you aint sure, keep 10 days in between

It's better then the 7 day's so your body can recover 3 days extra.
A day of 10 in between and you will never get hoocked.

7days is the minimum you will have to let in between the days you do use
Using  every 5th day will hook you for sure.
It might take some time.

Very few people manage to use only in the weekend.

The kick is de dream, but subtle, opium gives a dream that is to much on the forefront.
The dream of Heroin is more on the background.

You are dreaming while you are awake.
After using your skin can itch.
Your noose for example.
And you will trough up.
After vomiting the nice feeling comes...

H gives a nice high, but I think it is too expernsive



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You shouldn't use heroin
There is no why.

To many alternatives at hand.

The herion sould be out of youre sustem after 5 days.
So if you stick to that day, you should not get hooked.
the days in between are sort, to short.
When you use 2 or 3 times max each month you body will be recovered

The feeling is lik a mellow opium.
 And just mellow anyway.
Where opium-dreams can be quite intensive.





Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: grdr on April 15, 2013, 05:31 am
smoking preferred over snorting ? it gets drug to your brain faster, the feeling of a 'rush' you tend to crave builds up.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: anonypunk on April 19, 2013, 05:55 am
I didnt go through any posts after the first page but wanted to share with you advice and my thoughts on it. My advice is don't ever do it regardless of the ROA. I was living with a girl for awhile and she used so I eventually gave in and tried. I wasn't hooked immediately but after a few days of use I didn't want to live without it and when we ran out money or our connect ran out of dope we were sick. I kept my use in check at first but it quickly built up to to just having to have it. Being dope sick is no fun at all. It feels like your bone barrow is sore and every part of your body and mind just feel like shit. It's been about 4 years since I have done any and I still think about it all the time. So much so that I've got a sample bag on the way. Any more and I'd go all out. It's seriously what made me fall in love with IV'ng about every substance you can b/c I keep wanting that rush I got. Just avoid it to be safe b/c it's got talons man. They dig deep into your psyche and never let go. You can stop using but you probably will never stop fiending for it.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: thegalactica420 on April 19, 2013, 06:02 am
I didnt go through any posts after the first page but wanted to share with you advice and my thoughts on it. My advice is don't ever do it regardless of the ROA. I was living with a girl for awhile and she used so I eventually gave in and tried. I wasn't hooked immediately but after a few days of use I didn't want to live without it and when we ran out money or our connect ran out of dope we were sick. I kept my use in check at first but it quickly built up to to just having to have it. Being dope sick is no fun at all. It feels like your bone barrow is sore and every part of your body and mind just feel like shit. It's been about 4 years since I have done any and I still think about it all the time. So much so that I've got a sample bag on the way. Any more and I'd go all out. It's seriously what made me fall in love with IV'ng about every substance you can b/c I keep wanting that rush I got. Just avoid it to be safe b/c it's got talons man. They dig deep into your psyche and never let go. You can stop using but you probably will never stop fiending for it.
true but your experience was with iv in the company of an addict, thats imo the situation with the most potential for addiction. personally i think the biggest concern is developing a psychological addiction early on as it will almost always end in a physical addiction. in my experience heroin isnt any more dangerous or addictive than a strong opiate ie morphine, oxymorphone or hydromorphone. i also think that fentynal and its analogs are significantly more addictive and dangerous than heroin.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: newbottles on April 23, 2013, 12:20 am
A lot of good points in this thread.  This is the type of content that makes this forum so valuable.

I would reinforce the concept of a linear progression of experimentation > enjoyment > dependence > addiction > desperation.

We know in materialist terms that nicotine, methamphetamine, heroin are the most physically addictive drugs.

Anyone with experience will understand that you need many doses to get addicted! 

Stay mindful and you can stay safe.  Take a break and balance your hedonism with some good old fashioned aerobic exercise and healthy food.  It does wonders.  If you need a day or three of nasty withdrawal first, that is fine.  Just learn your lesson and on day four get some exercise!

Anyone with experience with addiction can admit that they chose to do their DOC many days in a row before they ended up in a bad place.  Ideally those who are not addicted but using can be mindful of the same concept. 


Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: thegalactica420 on April 23, 2013, 04:53 am
A lot of good points in this thread.  This is the type of content that makes this forum so valuable.

I would reinforce the concept of a linear progression of experimentation > enjoyment > dependence > addiction > desperation.

We know in materialist terms that nicotine, methamphetamine, heroin are the most physically addictive drugs.

I would argue that benzos and barbiturates are more physically addictive than anything else it just takes a while to get dependent. Fentynal and its analogs are also much more addictive than heroin and meth isnt actually all the PHYSICALLY addictive. It is very addictive dont get me wrong but i think its more about mass amounts of dopamine rushing though your pleasure centers so its more psychologically addictive than physically.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: zvp1014 on April 27, 2013, 07:38 am
A lot of good points in this thread.  This is the type of content that makes this forum so valuable.

I would reinforce the concept of a linear progression of experimentation > enjoyment > dependence > addiction > desperation.

We know in materialist terms that nicotine, methamphetamine, heroin are the most physically addictive drugs.

I would argue that benzos and barbiturates are more physically addictive than anything else it just takes a while to get dependent. Fentynal and its analogs are also much more addictive than heroin and meth isnt actually all the PHYSICALLY addictive. It is very addictive dont get me wrong but i think its more about mass amounts of dopamine rushing though your pleasure centers so its more psychologically addictive than physically.

I've been on Xanax and Ativan and have found neither addictive o.0 I never have cravings for either, and only force myself to take a Xanax when I know I'll be in an intense social situation. Maybe I'm just weird? Or is it only addictive with regular use?
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: thegalactica420 on April 27, 2013, 07:59 am
A lot of good points in this thread.  This is the type of content that makes this forum so valuable.

I would reinforce the concept of a linear progression of experimentation > enjoyment > dependence > addiction > desperation.

We know in materialist terms that nicotine, methamphetamine, heroin are the most physically addictive drugs.

I would argue that benzos and barbiturates are more physically addictive than anything else it just takes a while to get dependent. Fentynal and its analogs are also much more addictive than heroin and meth isnt actually all the PHYSICALLY addictive. It is very addictive dont get me wrong but i think its more about mass amounts of dopamine rushing though your pleasure centers so its more psychologically addictive than physically.

I've been on Xanax and Ativan and have found neither addictive o.0 I never have cravings for either, and only force myself to take a Xanax when I know I'll be in an intense social situation. Maybe I'm just weird? Or is it only addictive with regular use?
It normally takes several months, sometimes weeks of chronic daily use. To become physically dependent requires having a active dose of the compound in your blood stream round the clock.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: thegalactica420 on April 27, 2013, 08:03 am
A lot of good points in this thread.  This is the type of content that makes this forum so valuable.

I would reinforce the concept of a linear progression of experimentation > enjoyment > dependence > addiction > desperation.

We know in materialist terms that nicotine, methamphetamine, heroin are the most physically addictive drugs.

I would argue that benzos and barbiturates are more physically addictive than anything else it just takes a while to get dependent. Fentynal and its analogs are also much more addictive than heroin and meth isnt actually all the PHYSICALLY addictive. It is very addictive dont get me wrong but i think its more about mass amounts of dopamine rushing though your pleasure centers so its more psychologically addictive than physically.

I've been on Xanax and Ativan and have found neither addictive o.0 I never have cravings for either, and only force myself to take a Xanax when I know I'll be in an intense social situation. Maybe I'm just weird? Or is it only addictive with regular use?
If you dont use daily or only use as needed in specific situations then its not all that hard to not get addicted i have been using temazepam which is regarded as one of the most addicting for only insomnia if i reallycant fall asleep and have not gotten even slightly addicted.
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: danceandsing on April 28, 2013, 02:19 am
Been doing blues for about 3 years. Lots of them, only on and off tho.

Just bought my first gram of H off of SR. About how many 30s does that equal and how should I go about this?

btw I only have and only will snort...
Title: Re: Heroin- Why use, and addictive potential?
Post by: thegalactica420 on April 29, 2013, 05:26 am
Been doing blues for about 3 years. Lots of them, only on and off tho.

Just bought my first gram of H off of SR. About how many 30s does that equal and how should I go about this?

btw I only have and only will snort...
That depends on the quality of the porduct, i think heroin is close to twice as potent as oxycodone in terms of weight not effect. How many mg of oxy do you use per dose and per day?