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Title: I like 'x'...what else may work for me?
Post by: gaia on November 27, 2012, 11:22 pm
Hi to the best forum in the known universe. *waves

OK, my all time favorite drug of choice is MDMA, but I'm currently stuck on a course of SSRI's so that particular avenue of pleasure is cut off for now. I also like stims in general, but I'm too old for a 24/48 hour session these days. What else may be out there that sits ok with SSRI's, yet gives a similar social friendly buzz that MDMA does? I do enjoy a line or two of coke, but I also like the more cerebral high that for me, is what's so unique about wonderful MDMA.

I'm thinking possibly one of the 2C family. I've tried 2CB, but only in conjunction with MDMA, and that was lovely. I just don't know how it will stack up as a complete replacement.

So something that gives a bit of a stim kick, and yet also offers the warm altered states that MD does.

I'm counting the days till I can come off the SSRI's! I certainly have the incentive :)

Thoughts most welcome.
Title: Re: I like 'x'...what else may work for me?
Post by: ilovesrdrugs on November 28, 2012, 12:01 am
Not sure if you like to "trip" but 2c-B alone is really nice it doesn't really have that "mind fuck" effect but it feels really good like MDMA. Its also great with sex as well.

I really enjoy the body high I get from shrooms as well, personally ill eat about 2 grams and feel great, and 4-5 grams if I want to "trip"
Title: Re: I like 'x'...what else may work for me?
Post by: gaia on December 03, 2012, 11:23 pm
Thanks ilovedrugs. And sorry for not thanking you for your reply sooner. Real life kicked in and this is the first time I've logged back in.

I guess 2cb is top of the list, simply because I do have some left. I like trips sure, but not too often. Mostly I like the stimulated trippiness that is the wonderful MDMA.

Any other thoughts folks? So many drugs out there, there must be some nice ones I haven't tried that sit well with SSRi's?
Title: Re: I like 'x'...what else may work for me?
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Title: Re: I like 'x'...what else may work for me?
Post by: sniper123 on December 24, 2012, 01:26 pm
Yeah 2C-B is quite nice. I would highly recommend anyone to try it at least once in their life. 2C-B is the beez neez. I would recommend 2C-I if you want a more stimulated buzz. I'm assuming MDA is out of the question. How about 6-apb?
Title: Re: I like 'x'...what else may work for me?
Post by: A Riotous Defect on December 24, 2012, 01:37 pm
I've heard that foxy-methoxy (aka 5-MeO-MiPT ) is "the tryptamines answer to MDMA" so to speak. But the body load is supposed to be a bugger if you use it at too high of a dose.

That's just what I've found from Erowid, that is.

I hear that some of the shroom analogs like 4-HO-MET or 4-HO-MiPT or 4-AcO-DMT tend to have a MDMA-esque bodyload, too. Of course the experience is more wholly psychedelic, but they have the same sort of 'feel' to them. They also don't last that long, say, 4 - 8 hours depending on body chemistry, so you wont have to devote an entire day to it.
Title: Re: I like 'x'...what else may work for me?
Post by: Ballzinator on December 24, 2012, 05:30 pm
I've heard that foxy-methoxy (aka 5-MeO-MiPT ) is "the tryptamines answer to MDMA" so to speak. But the body load is supposed to be a bugger if you use it at too high of a dose.

That's just what I've found from Erowid, that is.

I hear that some of the shroom analogs like 4-HO-MET or 4-HO-MiPT or 4-AcO-DMT tend to have a MDMA-esque bodyload, too. Of course the experience is more wholly psychedelic, but they have the same sort of 'feel' to them. They also don't last that long, say, 4 - 8 hours depending on body chemistry, so you wont have to devote an entire day to it.
Yes, 5-MeO-MiPT is really nice. Mixes well with MDMA too.
Title: Re: I like 'x'...what else may work for me?
Post by: mnak on December 24, 2012, 09:28 pm
Nothing is going to match the experience of MDMA of course.  But if you like MDMA and like stims in general, then the mephedrone from limitless might be a good option.  Mephedrone does both serotonin (MDMA) and dopamine (cocaine).  Most of the meph out there isn't very good apparently but the stuff from limetless is top notch.  There are three other vendors reselling his stuff as well.

Since you're taking an SSRI I assume it helps you and that you are prioritizing your overall mental/emotional being over getting high occasionally.  That's good.  But remember that rec drugs "in general" are more likely to make things worse.

I'm also curious to try 2c-b.
Title: Re: I like 'x'...what else may work for me?
Post by: Ballzinator on December 24, 2012, 09:37 pm
Nothing is going to match the experience of MDMA of course.  But if you like MDMA and like stims in general, then the mephedrone from limitless might be a good option.  Mephedrone does both serotonin (MDMA) and dopamine (cocaine).  Most of the meph out there isn't very good apparently but the stuff from limetless is top notch.  There are three other vendors reselling his stuff as well.

Since you're taking an SSRI I assume it helps you and that you are prioritizing your overall mental/emotional being over getting high occasionally.  That's good.  But remember that rec drugs "in general" are more likely to make things worse.

I'm also curious to try 2c-b.
MDMA also releases serotonin but much more than Meph does AFAIK.
Title: Re: I like 'x'...what else may work for me?
Post by: A Riotous Defect on December 24, 2012, 10:17 pm
Nothing is going to match the experience of MDMA of course.  But if you like MDMA and like stims in general, then the mephedrone from limitless might be a good option.  Mephedrone does both serotonin (MDMA) and dopamine (cocaine).  Most of the meph out there isn't very good apparently but the stuff from limetless is top notch.  There are three other vendors reselling his stuff as well.

Since you're taking an SSRI I assume it helps you and that you are prioritizing your overall mental/emotional being over getting high occasionally.  That's good.  But remember that rec drugs "in general" are more likely to make things worse.

I'm also curious to try 2c-b.
MDMA also releases serotonin but much more than Meph does AFAIK.

MDMA releases FAR more serotonin than Meph. Meph primarily is a dopaminergic compound. Going off my limited knowledge it's more comparable to bk-MDMA ( methylone ) than legitimate MDMA.

If I remember correctly, it's more dopaminergic than Methylone, with less serotonergic activity... that would explain the fact that you can binge way harder on Meph and not lose the quality of high ( as much ) like what happens when you binge on Methylone.

And OP, if you're looking for other good stims that have a sorta rushing euphoric effect you could try some of the fluoramphetamines. The ones with 2 at the start are more dopaminergic, and the ones starting with 4 are more serotonergic. 2-FA would be good, or 4-FA. 4-FMA is supposed to be nice, but that would be more akin to MDMA and I don't exactly know how it would affect you while you're on SSRI's.
Title: Re: I like 'x'...what else may work for me?
Post by: A Riotous Defect on December 24, 2012, 10:22 pm
Also, if you want to get off SSRI's, I would recommend going to your doctor and complaining about 'sexual side-effects' as a lot of people experience such problems ( lack of horniness if you're a girl, inability to achieve erection or ejaculation if you're a man ). From my experience, there is little they can do as far as prescribing better SSRI's. I'm pretty sure at that point they would wean you off of them and put you on some sort of benzodiazepine such as klonopin or Xanax, which shouldn't interfere with MDMA AFAIK. Also I would say that the side-effect profile is a lot better with BZD's than with SSRI's, and they don't take forever and a day to build up in your system. The only thing bad about them is they have some of the worst withdrawals, possibly even worse than an SSRI cold-turkey withdrawal, so if you ever want to go off mood-stabilizers completely it could pose a problem.

I would def choose benzos over SSRI's any day of the week, though. I guess I don't see the point in using chemicals that don't get you high at all and more often than not cause parodoxical reactions that can result in suicidal ideation and other such maladies. And I hate benzos.
Title: Re: I like 'x'...what else may work for me?
Post by: mnak on December 25, 2012, 03:20 pm
Also, if you want to get off SSRI's, I would recommend going to your doctor and complaining about 'sexual side-effects' as a lot of people experience such problems ( lack of horniness if you're a girl, inability to achieve erection or ejaculation if you're a man ). From my experience, there is little they can do as far as prescribing better SSRI's. I'm pretty sure at that point they would wean you off of them and put you on some sort of benzodiazepine such as klonopin or Xanax, which shouldn't interfere with MDMA AFAIK. Also I would say that the side-effect profile is a lot better with BZD's than with SSRI's, and they don't take forever and a day to build up in your system. The only thing bad about them is they have some of the worst withdrawals, possibly even worse than an SSRI cold-turkey withdrawal, so if you ever want to go off mood-stabilizers completely it could pose a problem.

I would def choose benzos over SSRI's any day of the week, though. I guess I don't see the point in using chemicals that don't get you high at all and more often than not cause parodoxical reactions that can result in suicidal ideation and other such maladies. And I hate benzos.
I don't think we need to get into his prescribed treatment since we don't even know the diagnosis, but I will say that consistent use of long-acting benzodiazepines will eventually lead to dependence.  It isn't uncommon for people to have seizures or even die after abrupt discontinuation of benzos.
Title: Re: I like 'x'...what else may work for me?
Post by: A Riotous Defect on December 25, 2012, 03:54 pm
Also, if you want to get off SSRI's, I would recommend going to your doctor and complaining about 'sexual side-effects' as a lot of people experience such problems ( lack of horniness if you're a girl, inability to achieve erection or ejaculation if you're a man ). From my experience, there is little they can do as far as prescribing better SSRI's. I'm pretty sure at that point they would wean you off of them and put you on some sort of benzodiazepine such as klonopin or Xanax, which shouldn't interfere with MDMA AFAIK. Also I would say that the side-effect profile is a lot better with BZD's than with SSRI's, and they don't take forever and a day to build up in your system. The only thing bad about them is they have some of the worst withdrawals, possibly even worse than an SSRI cold-turkey withdrawal, so if you ever want to go off mood-stabilizers completely it could pose a problem.

I would def choose benzos over SSRI's any day of the week, though. I guess I don't see the point in using chemicals that don't get you high at all and more often than not cause parodoxical reactions that can result in suicidal ideation and other such maladies. And I hate benzos.
I don't think we need to get into his prescribed treatment since we don't even know the diagnosis, but I will say that consistent use of long-acting benzodiazepines will eventually lead to dependence.  It isn't uncommon for people to have seizures or even die after abrupt discontinuation of benzos.

I'm not saying benzos are without their faults, but as a whole I find them much better than SSRI's for both the treatment of depression and anxiety, especially anxiety. I've had a few people in my life commit suicide or have to have me talk them out of suicide because of long-term dependence on SSRI's, so I just have an aversion to them. I'm not doubting that benzos have some of the worst withdrawals out of all drugs, and that's horrible, but at least if you miss a dose of your xanax you wont fly off the rocker and try and kill yourself ( usually ) as WELL as get terribly ill. Most people in my family are on SSRI's and if they miss their dose for a day they turn into bawling messes and don't know what to do with themselves. It's sad.

That being said, I'm not prescribed to either benzos or SSRI's, since I tend to avoid both of those categories - the benzos 'cause they make me nauseous and the SSRI's because of the aforementioned reasons.

Obviously my advice is not to be taken without seeing a doctor first, but if you notice shitty effects from SSRI's there's no reason for you not to try and get something else. There's other ways of treating most psychiatric disorders and in the field the two most important things about alleviating the symptoms of such disorders are : finding the most effective medicine with the lowest side effect profile for your individual body, which is harder than it sounds because everyone's body reacts differently to most medications for psychiatric disorders. Then there's titrating the dose of your medicine, which is arguably just as important.

I'm not in the psychiatric field, mind you, but clinical psychology classes were pretty much all I was doing last semester so the information is fresh in my head. I know that makes me about as qualified to diagnose or suggest medication as a homeless person, but I know a little bit about the field, and especially about drug pharmacology (mainly based around bipolar meds and pretty much all recreational drugs, obviously )  since that's what I want to go into on a professional level after I finish all my schooling.

You do make a good point though. Benzos are something you gotta commit to, just like SSRI's, for the most part. But that's usually the nature of the beast when it comes to either a anxiety disorder or depressive disorder. You're gonna have to stick with something, usually.