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Title: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Multimineral on September 15, 2012, 08:09 pm
Title asks the question.  Seems like everyone has something that they would never even consider trying.

Crack, meth, and heroin are the ones I'm cautious about.  After reading about meth, I wanted to try so I have some on the way and I might try heroin by snorting it.  Injection still scares me.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: thosecoins on September 15, 2012, 08:43 pm
i tried heroin once snorting it was not as bad as i thought it was amazing acutely just get prepared to puke your first time cuz that's what happened to me my first time and most others who try for there first time besides that not so bad just dont do it daily and your good. 
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sollemnis on September 15, 2012, 08:47 pm
It's hard to advise against one particular drug. Everybody reacts differently to every drug. Some people have more of a tendency to get addicted than others. Some people have less common sense than others as well.

My only advice would be to do your RESEARCH on whatever drug you're trying. That way, you know what dose to take, what to expect and what side effects to look out for bla bla. If you're prone to addiction, avoid the drugs that can easily become addictive. If you have a heart condition avoid Stims etc... Some people can take H once and leave it (like myself) and others it consumes their life.

If you're smart and you know your limits, you can decide what drugs you can try or should avoid. But just because you would avoid a drug, doesn't mean someone else would. Everybody is different.

Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: turquoisecrayon on September 15, 2012, 09:12 pm
I personally see no value in trying drugs like heroin or crack.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: tpebop on September 15, 2012, 10:10 pm
I used to say I would never try heroin then one day I smoked some bth I got high as fuck but I did not really like it.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: psychedelia on September 15, 2012, 11:07 pm
I would never sniff glue or drink mouth wash.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Multimineral on September 16, 2012, 01:54 am
I would never sniff glue or drink mouth wash.

Me neither, man.  Me neither.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Ben on September 16, 2012, 02:07 am
I'm not really sure about the mouthwash thing. In western europe mouthwash rarely contains usable amounts of ethanol, but i suppose that must be different in the US since people are drinking it for the alcohol. Then again, i also read that some people ingest disinfecting gel because it contains a lot of  alcohol and is often freely available from public restrooms and such.

Where sniffing glue is concerned: i have never tried it myself, but i've seen plenty of kids do it in countries like cambodia. Similarly, i heard about people inhaling things like deodorant spray cans since the solvents/carrier gas (mostly propane) has a similar effect.

It doesnt appeal to me personally, but i suppose you could knock yourself out using a gas canister intended for a camping stove quite easily. I presume the side effect of that would be waking up with a terrible headache (or not waking up again at all), so it does not sound that appealing to me.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Irumi on September 16, 2012, 02:23 am
I've tried pretty much every drug under the sun, and if I had to stay away from one drug it would be crack.

Yeah I know, not original. But I got hooked on crack 8 years ago and spent a year doing crazy stuff like robbing cars, houses, and pawning family items to fuel my habit. The thing with crack is, there is never enough. You are always fiending and looking for more. I made so many bad decisions back then and did so many things that would put me away for a long time that it's a miracle I didn't get caught by LE.

I eventually quit and cleaned myself up, but not after I broke a lot of bridges and engaged in some very shady shit. I'm still ashamed of what I did back then.

Stay away from crack guys.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Thedonkilluminati on September 16, 2012, 02:32 am
I would never use Heroin or crack even that i have not used, have seen how people have ended up with specialy Heroin.

I f i could i would like to stop with chemicals and go  Green natural weed and stuffs.

chemical gives me deppresion when i dont have it :S
i have to smoke all day long like ciggaret, fml.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: beren102 on September 16, 2012, 03:28 am
DXM... stuff is garbage. deleriants also

haha i dont think i would ever "advise" anyone to try crack or heroin... ignorance might be bliss
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: DEA-agent on September 16, 2012, 03:46 am
Crocodile. lol obv.

When I first heard of it I thought, how can someone be so insanely stupid.
But I found out that those are hardcore H addicts who don't have the money for H and have nothing to loose anymore.
Sad but true.

In general every drug is dangerous if you become addicted, but MOST drugs CAN be used responsibly.

To answer your question, there is a lot of shit I would never try. But if we speak about common drugs, I personally would never try H. It fuckin scares me.

Speaking about harm caused by drugs, look at this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/HarmCausedByDrugsTable.svg


Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: spegrodomous on September 16, 2012, 04:05 am
ive never tried crack/h/meth/pcp or anything too crazy but out of the drugs i have tried (not that many, just basic psychedelics).....


i wouldnt do salvia again.

i really saw no value in the experience and regard it as a troll of psychedelics.

it just makes me feel like im passing out. some visuals, sure, but its not worth the feeling of limbs going cold and the terrible dizziness.

blah. me no likey.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: HitTheRoad on September 16, 2012, 04:13 am
Heroin

Because my father put the fear into me from an early age regarding it. I know people on here do it so don't wanna sound to harsh but I have seen it destroy communities, families and leave a lot of deaths of young people behind. It destroyed towns and areas in the early 80's and again in 90's.

I'm sure once taken and enjoyed and controlled by a user it's all good but what I said above is true for a lot of people.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Novartis on September 16, 2012, 04:16 am
I like that link, seems somewhat accurate.

It really seems like a LOT of people are in the ER for alcohol related issues (either falling down, liver failure and the myriad of problems that accompany it, sometimes kidney issues, just being a chronic alcoholic and having jacked up electrolytes and thiamine levels/ability to absorb nutrients).

Also, there seem to be a lot who combine alcohol with oxy or random other opiates/benzos to get a better buzz (especially opiate pills actually) and that's a major cause of liver damage and death.... you see people who's livers stop working, fluid seeps into their abdominal cavity or lungs and they drown in their own fluid.... or varicees pop and they bleed to death internally (eventually it comes out the two ends) and even being in the ER survival rate is so-so. Then there's the jaundice chronic alcoholic who can't stop and keeps getting resuscitated from end stage liver disease and MAYBE makes out of a coma after 1 month (these are people in their late 30's-40's.... I'm talking multiple people per week... it's not a slow hospital by any means, but still, that's a lot for one problem).

Besides that, CRACK, heroin = never.
And meth... there seem to be a lot of people with long term depression because of meth so I don't think so. Not to mention some people seem to age by a decade after one year of use.... ever see those meth face ads?
Cigarettes, obviously.... got the nicotine replacement but I know it's still bad. damn tobacco industry.... seriously a lot in the ER with smoking related COPD, asthma, CHF (congestive heart failure)....plus the little kids from the poor area always coming in with asthma attacks because their parents smoke.

oh yeah and those bath salts (mephadrone is it?)... already seen a couple of those people permanently schizoaffective because of that drug. seems like absolute trash to me if you're going to go absolutely nuts with a few months of heavy use.... better off with cocain. then again, I've seen dudes in their 20's with heart attacks after a night of coke and booze.

man, buzz-kill. haha
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: HitTheRoad on September 16, 2012, 04:41 am


And meth... there seem to be a lot of people with long term depression because of meth so I don't think so. Not to mention some people seem to age by a decade after one year of use.... ever see those meth face ads?




Check out Louis Theroux - A City Addicted To Meth
There was a woman on it who'd been awake for a month on the stuff! Tried it in the States and enjoyed but am glad it isn't available where I'm from.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Novartis on September 16, 2012, 04:44 am
haha yeah I know some people who got addicted super fast, and for months. 30 days is crazy tho, they must have looked like shit after that run
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: AnOn.edu on September 16, 2012, 05:49 am
I suppose I'm lucky as crack does nothing for me and H just makes me sick (as most opiates do, though I can enjoy some prescriptions in very low doses).  Granted, it's been years since I've tried either but even if you like them the risk just isn't worth it.  Sure, some people can do them fine, but even then you're playing with fire if life decides to throw you a devastating curve ball. 

I suppose I have issues with H because of Lane Staley.  Well before he locked himself up in his U district condo it had taken his life from him.   Here's a brilliant multimillionaire at the height of his popularity and yet whose bedroom had no sheets on the bed, blood splatters all over the walls, and bloody toilet paper all over the place.  A buddy of mine who lived with him told about how Lane was cool as hell when he woke up but once he started shooting up it was down hill from there.

If cocaine is god's way of telling you you make too much money then crystal meth is god telling you its time to go shopping for double wides.  What it does to your grey matter and how it ages people just makes me think there are a lot better ways of killing yourself.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: beren102 on September 16, 2012, 08:26 am
meth is trash
pcp is trash
nbome's are trash
opis are trash!

stick with LSD
stick with THC
stick with DMT!

get the fuck out of here with that hippie bullshit. i mean you can have your opinion, however misinformed, but dont talk about shit you dont know about

NBOMs are trash? have you even tried any? and sorry you dont like hard drugs but some people do and it doesnt make them or the drugs "trash". i thought you faggots were all about tolerance and love and peace anyways
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Ensine99 on September 16, 2012, 09:13 am
I'm not interested in meth, opiates, or crack.
And my allergy to some part of weed- possibly plant matter, possibly thc- has stopped me from ever really pursuing that.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: EricCartman on September 16, 2012, 10:00 am
I will never get high on snake bites  :o
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Ben on September 17, 2012, 02:10 am
Snake bites don't sound too appealing to be either - perhaps in the category if licking toads but with the added risk of choosing the wrong snake.

As far as identifying a drug you should, or should never, try, i'd say opiates in general. Considering a moderate dose of something like 20 mg morphine, i find it hard to choose between never doing that and doing it because it will be the experience of a lifetime.

I cannot compare the euphoria you will experience when taking drugs like morphine or heroin to anything else, but the chance of addiction is so great i could not recommend trying it either. I supose its something everyone should experience in their life, but probably best to reserve for the end stage of llife too.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: BobSacamano1 on September 17, 2012, 02:18 am
Most of those that have a strong stigma deserve it even if they are done responsibly by some people. (H, Meth etc.)

But who the fuck does PCP for real? THat seems like the stupidest fucking drug on earth, last drug I would ever do...
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sourman on September 17, 2012, 02:26 am
Scopolomine and for that matter, datura. I also saw a trip report on erowid for a black widow spider bite. If that is considered a "drug" then I certainly will not be trying it.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: BobSacamano1 on September 17, 2012, 02:32 am
Scopolomine and for that matter, datura. I also saw a trip report on erowid for a black widow spider bite. If that is considered a "drug" then I certainly will not be trying it.

Scolopomine hah yeah, don't think I will be tryin that one. What do they call it, the Devil's Breath or something?
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Theaides on September 17, 2012, 04:22 am
I'm quite happy sticking to my psychadelics.  I don't touch RCs except 2c-b, if you'd even consider that an RC anymore.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Addy on September 18, 2012, 10:39 pm
It's hard to advise against one particular drug. Everybody reacts differently to every drug. Some people have more of a tendency to get addicted than others. Some people have less common sense than others as well.

My only advice would be to do your RESEARCH on whatever drug you're trying. That way, you know what dose to take, what to expect and what side effects to look out for bla bla. If you're prone to addiction, avoid the drugs that can easily become addictive. If you have a heart condition avoid Stims etc... Some people can take H once and leave it (like myself) and others it consumes their life.

If you're smart and you know your limits, you can decide what drugs you can try or should avoid. But just because you would avoid a drug, doesn't mean someone else would. Everybody is different.
I'll echo this. There's no drug in specific I would advise against, but know yourself before trying anything heavy.

Also, unless you plan on growing your own poppies, cooking your own meth, etc. be careful in assuming what you're getting is what you paid for. Especially if you're using a needle.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: simantecort on September 18, 2012, 11:16 pm
thought i would never try heroin but didnt stick to that. used to do nbome but now will never do it again. the main drugs i would never ever try are krokodil (obviously), inhalants and solvents, and pcp
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: TNY on September 19, 2012, 12:06 am
I would do most besides H, meth, crack and that that horrific crocadil stuff, Doubt ill ever IV anything either. Smoking no.3 H is tempting though as i never have done before but i probably never will.

I wouldn't recommend anyone ever get pissed drunk after taking valium or any benzos either its a one way ticket to lunacy!
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: tpebop on September 19, 2012, 12:15 am
thought i would never try heroin but didnt stick to that. used to do nbome but now will never do it again. the main drugs i would never ever try are krokodil (obviously), inhalants and solvents, and pcp
Plus one for mentionong krokodil. :)
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Ben on September 19, 2012, 01:00 am
I'm not sure if krokodil should even be called a drug, since its basically an uncleaned synthesis product that contains numerous substances.

It is on the stupidity level of simply pushing some poppies in a blender, injecting whatever comes out and hope for the best. This is not a recommended way of administering morphine, though it might probably work for a couple of times before you get a deadly infection that costs you a limb in the best case scenario.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: AnOn.edu on September 19, 2012, 03:33 am
Krokodil? What the Fuck?

Hadn't even heard about it before, had to go look it up.  Ben's right, that isn't a drug.  It's a slow-form closed casket suicide kit.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: PlutoPete on September 19, 2012, 04:35 pm
Nutmeg - Horrible pins and needles
Wormwood - The bitterest taste you can possibly imagine, and then some.
Amyl Nitrate - You used to be able to extract this from Vapona Fly Killers, not a good idea without a fume cabinet :)
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: GreenTeaAddict on September 19, 2012, 04:42 pm
"I'll never try heroin, pcp and other scary stuff" - this is kinda obvious thing.
Let's talk about psychedelics.
The worst thing I ever tried is 5-meo-amt. Strongly not recommended.
Effects were not bad, but side-effects were disgusting. Nausea, troubles with my stomach, headache, problems with sleeping for the next week.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Intrama on September 19, 2012, 04:57 pm
I won't touch heroin, fentanyl, or any of the really strong 'pain killer' type drugs. I have a feeling I'd enjoy being completely numbed out a little too much.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: painbow on September 19, 2012, 05:22 pm
Some drugs aren't just worth the damage it causes on the person's mental and physical health like meth and heroin.

Also, any other drugs you have to inject IV.  Frequent IV'ing will damage your veins badly.

I think majority of drugs are fine for exploration and social purposes.

With all that said, what an irony it is that the legal drugs like nicotine, alcohol and prescription painkillers are killing more people than ever than any illegal drugs combined.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: mrsung on September 19, 2012, 05:47 pm
meth is trash
pcp is trash
nbome's are trash
opis are trash!

stick with LSD
stick with THC
stick with DMT!

get the fuck out of here with that hippie bullshit. i mean you can have your opinion, however misinformed, but dont talk about shit you dont know about

NBOMs are trash? have you even tried any? and sorry you dont like hard drugs but some people do and it doesnt make them or the drugs "trash". i thought you faggots were all about tolerance and love and peace anyways

He has every right to that opinion.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: davebowman on September 19, 2012, 10:09 pm
IV is not nearly as scary as it seems. I have done it maybe four times (not recently) and I'm not addicted or infected or anything, its just another way to go. But you should do it carefully. That being said, I found heroin to be disappointing. It made me really sick mostly. And I only tried strong pure heroin acquired through the silk road.

Crack I have smoked on two occasions, that my friends and I made it ourselves for fun. Maybe my homemade crack was shitty, but I don't know. I don't understand why people are addicted to crack. Or coke for that matter, never cared much for it. When I tried it first I was like WHAT THE FUCK WHY IS THIS SUCH A BIG DEAL IN THE WORLD? ITS JUST A TOPICAL ANESTHETIC! like licking a slug makes your tongue numb too. The first time I smoked crack I writhed in bed all night sweating and half thinking half dreaming about crack. So did both my friends I was with. It was weird.

Meth on the other hand, is GREAT! Its my favorite. It makes sense to me. I recommend trying meth, just eating it and staying up all night talking with your friends, its really not a big deal.


The only drug that after trying I attempt to dissuade people from doing is SALVIA! Fucking stupid childish shit that salvia is. I was so curious in grade 10, and finally I got the salvia, and I smoked it, and it FUCKED ME UP in no fun way at all. Dont smoke salvia, unless you are a shaman, in which case its your job I guess.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Ben on September 20, 2012, 12:52 am
Salvia is something i'm not that inclined to try either. Not because i believe its that dangerous, but all the videos of 'people on salvia' give me the impression that it is not something you enjoy yourself, just something others enjoy when you take it and watch you act all stupid.

Meth is something considered to be for bums in europe really - perhaps its just the availability of better drugs that keep people from using any. That said, its not a drug i wouldn't consider trying. It seems like meth addiction will cause severe health problems, but the same could be said about alcohol.

Taking something IV is a bit of a limit for me though. I'm sure it can be done safely with some substances (like morphine), but i have my doubts about using something ordered online or bought on the streets. It's hard to verify that a vial is actually sterile, and if is not, the results could be pretty disastrous.

Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Phainomai on September 20, 2012, 01:33 am
stick with LSD
stick with THC
stick with DMT!

Couldn't agree more with this man right here.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: ianfleming on September 20, 2012, 01:48 am
Meth, especially crystal meth, if your going to do meth get desoxyn or dextrostat (prescription). But really, they are better, safer amphetamines.

I've had 4-fa, but I'd advise heavily against it, it's too simaler to 4-ca which is one of the most neurotoxic chemicals known to man. In fact 4-ca is soo neurotoxic that it's used in mice specifically for that purpose.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: chrispi on September 20, 2012, 05:15 am
im only scared of pcp..everthing else under the sun ive done..shot it smoked it ate it snorted it drunk it.  now im only trippin, i swallow my pills and then i can function...
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: acid999 on September 20, 2012, 05:17 am
bath salts....nuff said
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: apples on September 20, 2012, 05:24 am
i've never had the desire to do nor will i ever do meth or pcp.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Limetless on September 20, 2012, 05:27 am
Crack, Heroin, Meth, Krokadil, any Opiates apart from things like Tramadol, PCP, Glue/solvents, MDPV
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: apples on September 20, 2012, 05:39 am
Krokadil, Glue/solvents,
forgot these two. +10000 solvents/krokadil
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Limetless on September 20, 2012, 05:41 am
Krokadil, Glue/solvents,
forgot these two. +10000 solvents/krokadil

Yeah solvents and Glue are dirt man.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: apples on September 20, 2012, 05:45 am
i've done some pretty fucked up things in my time don't get me wrong. but inhaling glue/paint/petrol has never sounded like a time i wanted to have. each to their own though. i've probally done things that glue sniffers think is horrible. i'd just rather not be high than sniff solvents. if that chick on intervention (granted she was huffing air duster like crazy) is any indication of what that shit does to you no thanks.

tramadol too (seizures).
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Limetless on September 20, 2012, 05:48 am
Yeah the whole huffing glue and solvents thing to me don't look like recreational drug use, it just looks like desperation to me.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: apples on September 20, 2012, 05:55 am
Yeah the whole huffing glue and solvents thing to me don't look like recreational drug use, it just looks like desperation to me.

same thing could be said about deliriants i think (getting drylled [diphenhydramine]/ atropa/ dimenhydrinate/ etc) and maybe DXM for that matter i guess on some level. more so deliriants. i had a guy my old roommate knew who's shit was air duster and benadryl (like 400-500 mg doses). shit looked like it wasn't fun at all. it just looked like a 'desperate to get fucked up' kinda thing.

there's actually a big problem here with like solvent abuse (aside from like 25-30% of the younger [16-40 i'd say] population being tweakers) i saw some guy at the park actually like 2 weeks ago hitting a can of duster and smoking a piezo back to back.

shit fucks your brain up.

/derail
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: saintgabriels on September 20, 2012, 08:20 am
bath salts (mdpv)...that was a baaadd experience. started off pretty good, felt a buzz, then couldn't get enough, started to feel like shit, and ended up with me shaking in bed, feeling extremely nauseous for about 2 hours, maybe more. meanwhile, my boyfriend and my roommate/his neighbor we chillin happily on the couch, drinking, smoking, playing guitar all night. all of a sudden it was 7 am, id come down and was fine, then they crashed. my roomie went to sleep and the boyfriend went psychotic and i...i...think i passed out when he drove off somewhere to go get cocaine...he came back a massiiivveee wreck and well...that's an intro into a novel...i digress. but basically...bath salts---NO

P.S. I forgot that the i took an ambien with the intention of replying to this so...my bad. I can't see correctly and i think i don't make sense. sorry.

POINT IS: No to bath salts/mdpv is bad.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: ianfleming on September 20, 2012, 04:39 pm
Let me add I'll never try PCP

And also after having used poppers a lot I'd have to say that they are also a bad idea.
No real benefits, kind of sucky, way too short, causes a headache with any real use, and you can practically feel the braincells sizzling away.
Did I mention that after hitting them a few times I feel quite a bit stupider, for awhile at least. I have a hard time using big words or phrasing things correctly.

The only time they are any fun is when your tripping balls they can take you quite a bit further, but be careful.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Ben on September 21, 2012, 12:28 am
Yeah the whole huffing glue and solvents thing to me don't look like recreational drug use, it just looks like desperation to me.

Something like that. I hadn't even considered mentioning them. The only time i've seen people sniffing glue was in cambodia, mainly kids with tubes of glue and plastic bags to inhale the fumes from. Somehow i think t his will have a very bad hanger/fun ratio though. I was sort of surprised by the claim that 'solvent abuse can cause immediate death' on a european can of spray-on deodorant. The carrier gas in that is propane/butane (lighter fluid, sort of).

As far as taking diphenhydramide to the point of delerium: I suppose it's possible if you take 50 tablets or something, but the thought of how drowsy i'd be and for how long, would be reason enough not to attempt it ;)
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: apples on September 21, 2012, 04:34 am
Yeah the whole huffing glue and solvents thing to me don't look like recreational drug use, it just looks like desperation to me.

Something like that. I hadn't even considered mentioning them. The only time i've seen people sniffing glue was in cambodia, mainly kids with tubes of glue and plastic bags to inhale the fumes from. Somehow i think t his will have a very bad hanger/fun ratio though. I was sort of surprised by the claim that 'solvent abuse can cause immediate death' on a european can of spray-on deodorant. The carrier gas in that is propane/butane (lighter fluid, sort of).

As far as taking diphenhydramide to the point of delerium: I suppose it's possible if you take 50 tablets or something, but the thought of how drowsy i'd be and for how long, would be reason enough not to attempt it ;)

i tried to do a DPH one time when i quit doing heroin and was going through the stupid whining wanting to get high junkie thing. i think i took like 600 mgs (i can take upto 300 mgs without like even getting tired from taking it like chronically since when i was little to help me sleep. then i didn't have as high of a tolerance). i started like tripping really hard and thinking shit was happening that wasn't and after like 20 minutes after that i fell asleep and slept for 2 days and didn't wake up for my phone alarm or any calls or anything. horrible horrible horrible fucking idea. i don't remember what happened after like 45 mins after i took the dph till when i went to sleep.
i felt like shit for like a week. i don't get how people could do it every day (i knew someone who did it religiously because he was on probation and wanted to get fucked up. i don't understand it but whatever).
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: chrispi on September 21, 2012, 05:00 pm
also i would suggest from hard hard experience, that anyone who hasnt iv'd shouldnt do so...drugs can be fun if used...but iv'ing will grab you, just like smoking coke will grab you...and its a long hard road back from hell. yes the highs from using like that are intense...but so are the suicidal comedowns which last and last and last....the highs over with too soon...and you can not get it back....but you will wanna chase it....and you will pay pay pay for that few seconds of intensity...use in moderation...dont seek out rocketblasts and you wont have to fall all the way back down....a  lil bit'll do ya...you dont have to walk the edge every time...that shit hurts it really does...and no one should ever suggest to someone who hasnt smoked coke, or shot coke, or iv'd that they do so...its bad, it will grab you, it grabs everyone and you cannot be different. having said that...everyone told me the same thing...and i did it anyway..and lived to really regret it. those are mighty mighty demons to wrestle and it aint no joke!
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Jenkem Source on September 21, 2012, 07:50 pm
1.  MDPV
2.  Phenazepam
3.  All deliriants

Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Ensine99 on September 24, 2012, 09:51 am
Fuck I think I have to update mine:
1. Deliriants
2. Glue/Aerosol
3. MDPV
4. Any derivative of drain cleaner - meth, krokadil- etc
5. Opiates - Vicodin makes me feel sick, and I have no interest in anything stronger.
6. Crack
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: dingowombat on September 24, 2012, 02:00 pm
I will never ever IV anything. Don't care how good people say it feels.

As for specifics, pretty much the same as everyone else on here: heroin, meth, crack, other opiates, or pretty much anything that sounds too ghetto.  ;D
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Wuffy on September 24, 2012, 11:00 pm
I really can't say what I "will never" do but I'm not interested in these drugs:

1 - Cocaine
2 - Heroin (and other opiates)
3 - Crack
4 - Any RC's
5 - MDMA (and analogues)
6 - Any other things from inhalation to injection

I don't like tobacco too but sometimes I smoke cigarettes,1-2 per day will not kill me for sure.

Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Ben on September 25, 2012, 01:18 am
Yeah the whole huffing glue and solvents thing to me don't look like recreational drug use, it just looks like desperation to me.

Something like that. I hadn't even considered mentioning them. The only time i've seen people sniffing glue was in cambodia, mainly kids with tubes of glue and plastic bags to inhale the fumes from. Somehow i think t his will have a very bad hanger/fun ratio though. I was sort of surprised by the claim that 'solvent abuse can cause immediate death' on a european can of spray-on deodorant. The carrier gas in that is propane/butane (lighter fluid, sort of).

As far as taking diphenhydramide to the point of delerium: I suppose it's possible if you take 50 tablets or something, but the thought of how drowsy i'd be and for how long, would be reason enough not to attempt it ;)

i tried to do a DPH one time when i quit doing heroin and was going through the stupid whining wanting to get high junkie thing. i think i took like 600 mgs (i can take upto 300 mgs without like even getting tired from taking it like chronically since when i was little to help me sleep. then i didn't have as high of a tolerance). i started like tripping really hard and thinking shit was happening that wasn't and after like 20 minutes after that i fell asleep and slept for 2 days and didn't wake up for my phone alarm or any calls or anything. horrible horrible horrible fucking idea. i don't remember what happened after like 45 mins after i took the dph till when i went to sleep.
i felt like shit for like a week. i don't get how people could do it every day (i knew someone who did it religiously because he was on probation and wanted to get fucked up. i don't understand it but whatever).

I guess desperate people take desperate measures. In case of someone going through opiate withdrawal and no alternatives left due to mandatory drug testing i can imagine why they would take idiotically high doses just to get to sleep.

Its not an experience i'd recommend though - taking large doses of antihistamines can cause hallucinations for sure, but those are mostly unpleasant, and you will feel like shit the day(s) after. Sometimes i have to take quite a bit of them to halt allergic reactions, at which they are very effective. The downside is that i'll notice the adverse effects for a day or two after, drowsiness and such. And that is from doses like 100 mg benadryl, nothing in the order of 500 mg which would probably be far worse even several days after taking it.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: ianfleming on September 26, 2012, 04:16 am
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4 - Any RC's
5 - MDMA (and analogues)
Really, man you are missing a whole world of stuff.
I wont say that every RC is a good idea, but the 2c-x series is fairly well proven to be safe (except maybe 2c-i).
Also, I didnt have any reason to ever try MDMA, until my fiance mentioned she wanted to try it. That shit is life changing, just go easy on it.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Wuffy on September 26, 2012, 05:04 am
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4 - Any RC's
5 - MDMA (and analogues)
Really, man you are missing a whole world of stuff.
I wont say that every RC is a good idea, but the 2c-x series is fairly well proven to be safe (except maybe 2c-i).
Also, I didnt have any reason to ever try MDMA, until my fiance mentioned she wanted to try it. That shit is life changing, just go easy on it.

At moment I'm  not interested in stimulant drugs (do not really need) but I didn't said I will never try the MDMA, now I'm into LSD and other Psy-Drugs... I don't take drugs in party/rave (I don't like them) so If I will try the MDMA probably will be with some good friends around a fire or so. I love nature all the way :)

About RC, the 2c series is the only one I could give a try in future maybe...but not sure at all.


Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: midnightcreeper on September 26, 2012, 05:24 am
Never try/ do again? All of them. 3-5 hits off some Quality bud is all I use. As far as advising others...That's something I avoid doing.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sniper123 on October 03, 2012, 01:09 am
Duster.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: moreplease on October 03, 2012, 04:57 am
Meth (crystal). I have never wanted to and never will, it's just so dirty (no offense to anyone). And look at the super meth addicts, they look worse than any other drug.
Pharmaceutical might be okay, but that is tough to find.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sniper123 on October 03, 2012, 06:57 am
Meth (crystal). I have never wanted to and never will, it's just so dirty (no offense to anyone). And look at the super meth addicts, they look worse than any other drug.
Pharmaceutical might be okay, but that is tough to find.
How do you know if you haven't tried it? I understand if you don't want to put yourself at risk of addiction. But, respecting a drug and knocking a drug are to differant things.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: billybigbuds on October 03, 2012, 07:52 am
Heroin (the fastest way towards the route towards  stealing your parents property)
RCs (Thalidomide waiting to happen or a mass poisoning off some bad batch)
Crack (coke is fine, but crack, although it is cocaine, is not cocaine an d crack heads look a mess and I like to look good and not have to prostitute myself to buy 'a bag'
UK cut hash (soapbar, also ANY imported hash can be cut)
UK or Dutch sprayed bud. (this might be anything from sprays for mould, pests or the reckless spraying of other materials to make bud either put on bulk or to make it look 'sticky' because the kilo has been stripped of hash trichomes. Another tr25x-nbome series health issues. (C&P by BBB – source at end)

Research chemicals are inherently a "playing with fire" business. Essentially, the longer a chemical is out, the more research is done with it, the more we have some idea of its safety profile in humans. The 25x-nbome series is one of the newest families of psychedelics to enter the marketplace, and there has already been a lot of human use. The initial reports were all extremely positive, with some of these (25c and 25i in particular) being hailed as equals to LSD, or better than LSD, or the new LSD.

However as time has continued to pass and more and more individuals sample these chemicals in a wider variety of set, settings, and most importantly, combinations, there are emerging some red flags, and I would like this thread to be an open repository of information regarding those red flags.

Although the mechanism of action of these chemicals is not completely known, we can assume from their molecular structure and subjective effects that they act primarily on the serotonin system.

There are emerging two distinct areas of concern with these chemicals.

1) Lingering effects caused by strain on the serotonin system

2) Acute Vasoconstriction

What do these mean?

The first means that users are reporting that after using this substance, they have lingering effects that are extremely similar to what MDMA users would call "suicide tuesdays". That is, depression, irritability, heightened levels of arousal and anxiety, and memory impairment. It is very important to note that this area of concern is HUGELY affected by the users drug habits. If you have been tripping twice a week for the past 6 months, and then have a strong NBOME trip and feel like you're a little "stupid" for a few days or weeks afterwards, understand that a big part of that is the previous use of drugs. Your brain is a complex and delicate self-balancing ecology of chemicals, receptors, and electrical activity. You can think of it as a big lake that you require both for water and for swimming pleasure. If you continue to have big parties in the lake every weekend, with people pissing in it, litter being thrown into it, and it generally being abused, and then suddenly a few months down the line you think to yourself "gosh the water in here tastes like crap", well, that means that its time to stop having parties in it and let the natural state of nature come back (which it will, slowly, with sobriety).

The second means that while under the effects of this chemical, blood vessels are tightened, which effects blood flow in the body, particularly to extremities like hands, fingers, feet, toes, etc. This presents as pins and needles (potentially painful), blue/purple discoloration, and swelling. This condition has the potential to kill you. It is completely counter-indicated for people who have a history of cardiovascular issues. This effect seems to be most pronounced when combining NBOMEs with other chemicals.

Chemicals which are likely dangerous to combine with NBOME are:

MDMA
LSD
COCAINE
METHAMPHETAMINE
DOX

I have had several trips now on 25c+25i blotters, and on their own I do not notice any signs of vasoconstriction, although some people do. This is highly dose sensitive and has a lot to do with your individual body. I had one trip where I combined those same 25i+25c blotters with LSD, and I had the worst vasoconstriction I've ever experienced in my life. It really scared my during the trip. I did not write about it for a long time because at the time I could not be sure what happened. The trip was immensly intense, and even inside the peak I thought "holy shit, is this vasoconstriction? this is really bad" but afterwards I questioned my judgement, and thought perhaps I was just feeling something else, was tripping hard, had anxiety, was being a hypochondriac, etc. Since then I have read that others have experienced the same thing particularly when combining NBOME with LSD. The effects I felt were STRONG pins and needles throughout my body, a strange sensation in my heart, a little light-headedness, and a little tightness in my chest. It made me instantly listen to my body, and what I heard was "never ever do this combination again!"

My gf and I have both felt that since this trip our mental state is not 100% baseline. Important to note, this is after a summer of many trips, and this trip was one HELL of a trip. The exact same thing happened to me two summers ago. I took aMT every weekend for a few months, and then I dosed 50mg 4-aco-dmt and suffered several weeks of a battered serotonin system. So I am being careful here to point out that NBOME on its own is not likely to suddenly make you stupid, but rather it is demanding enough on your brain to exacerbate an already stressed chemical system if you trip often.

Please post your own stories so that we can add to the communal knowledge base of this very new class of psychedelics. They are incredible enough that they deserve to be rigorously examined as potential therapeutic agents, and the first step in that is to establish a safety profile for them.

Cheers

Taken from http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/

C&P by Red for your harm reduction knowledgeick is to strip the plant of hash, reform into a block using leaf that growers throw out. Bud is also cut and sold 3 days after beign harvested. It is sold wet to increase the value. Other times the bud will be bone dry but dried too fast, harsh tasting and fit only for hash making, oil making for cooking.
Hydro Weed. It is NOT a health risk and nor is it that bad tasting IF grown to perfection, but most UK hydro is overfed to boost weight, often pushed to the limit which means the actual bud is packed with NPK and all the trace elements. We have measured the content of rival bud and found the EC level off the charts. (ground bud put into water will give a reading of excess nutrients in the salt form.)
Any drug which is less than 9/10 might as well be 1/10 in my eyes.  Would you want 8/10 MDMA or 8/10 coke or heroin? (ok, heroin users might see the 8 was great because the street heroin is 5 at best!
I oppose men who take womens period pain pills. I took one by mistake and nothing happened. No period, no pain, and still had an hangover from cheap nasty red wine from a well known UK supermarket.
Bootleg alcohol also, this is an issue in the UK
And last but not least, fake tobbacco. UK is flooded with this shit. The people selling it should hung at dawn, or maybe 2.00pm to give the potheads time to wake up.
 ;)
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Bob Arctor on October 03, 2012, 08:03 am
To tell the truth, I have done most of the drugs, at least popular ones and really enjoyed only a few. The only thing I regret is that I started smoking (cigarettes). Such a useless, addictive, unhealthy and available drug.

My experience with 'scary' drugs:

heroin - did it once. tried vaping it and that hardly worked. Sniffed ~30mg. started nodding, got nauseous and itchy. Euphoria was minimal, but it fixed my toothache:) I still have some left, but don't plan on trying it again anytime soon, even if it would feel nicer second time around. Getting stoned on some indica hash is much much more pleasant:) heroin not worth it for me.

cocaine - did it few times, about 5 grams total. The one batch I enjoyed was from LiberPater I got here on SR. Other batched were 'MEH'. Very expensive, short lived high that doesn't even feel that great for me. I still might do it from time to time if I get good stuff for cheap, but still, mehhh..

meth - did 0.2g. sample in various ROA's and couldn't get high. Always felt like small dose of amphetamine. This one I want to try again before crossing it out.

mdpv - shitty high and once when I did a lot I felt really sick for couple of days. Worthless.

Hell, I don't even look forward for my next LSD trip...

Weed/hash, amphetamine, 4-aco-dmt, mdma three times a year - these are the drugs I enjoy and I really could do without anything else..
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Fried Rice on October 03, 2012, 10:33 am
i would not recommend meth and something that id never try would be datura

I saw this topic and thought straight away Datura, I have only heard bad things about this, in some places its called the devils flower and I have heard when people take it they end up seeing the devil and some people who take it it really fucks up their mind, yet there is always some temptation to take something that other peoples brains can't handle.
Some people have brains that can handle drugs and being awake for several days and some people don't, my brain likes drugs mmmmm.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: anon911 on October 03, 2012, 11:15 am
This whole thread is full of inane, one sided, biased arguments and misinformation that reads like a D.A.R.E. pamphlet. You are parroting the same nonsense that the government does. I've tried pretty much everything and I there isn't anything I wouldn't suggest doing or try to label something as 'bad' because experiences are subjective, everyone reacts to chemicals differently, there are social and economical roles that come into play with some that make the whole generalizing logic a steaming pile of shit. No drug is 'bad'. You can't personify a chemical.  As long as you do some research into what you're doing you shouldn't have a bad time. You use hardcore addicts as a representation of ALL users of said drug. You post along heroin/crack/meth/cocaine users all day long here and they obviously aren't out stealing car stereos if they are posting on the internet. Do some research before you open your mouth about something you have no experience or knowledge in because it makes you look fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sniper123 on October 03, 2012, 11:20 am
This whole thread is full of inane, on sided, biased arguments and misinformation that reads like a D.A.R.E. pamphlet. You are parroting the same nonsense that the government does. I've tried pretty much everything and I there isn't anything I wouldn't suggest doing or try to label something as 'bad' because experiences are subjective, everyone reacts to chemicals differently, there are social and economical roles that come into play with some that make the whole generalizing logic a steaming pile of shit. No drug is 'bad'. You can't personify a chemical.  As long as you do some research into what you're doing you shouldn't have a bad time. You use hardcore addicts as a representation of ALL users of said drug. You post along heroin/crack/meth/cocaine users all day long here and they obviously aren't out stealing car stereos if they are posting on the internet. Do some research before you open your mouth about something you have no experience or knowledge in because it makes you look fucking stupid.
Get em. :)
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Rowsdower on October 03, 2012, 11:49 am
I've tried just about everything besides heroin.  Cocaine is overrated (and vastly overpriced) but a fun drug to do every once in a while, and meth isn't as bad as I thought it would be although I only did it twice many years ago.  I wouldn't want to do meth again though because I didn't like the comedown of it and there were too many bad side-effects for my liking.  I don't want to ever try heroin because it's the only drug that really scares me, mainly because of the addiction potential and the fear of overdosing.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sniper123 on October 03, 2012, 11:56 am
I've tried just about everything besides heroin.  Cocaine is overrated (and vastly overpriced) but a fun drug to do every once in a while, and meth isn't as bad as I thought it would be although I only did it twice many years ago.  I wouldn't want to do meth again though because I didn't like the comedown of it and there were too many bad side-effects for my liking.  I don't want to ever try heroin because it's the only drug that really scares me, mainly because of the addiction potential and the fear of overdosing.
Can you be more specific. What bad side effects, any idea how much you used and over how long of a time span? Did you eat, or sleep at all? I'm not saying coming off meth is cake, but sometimes the decisions you make while tweaking determine if you're going to come down off meth or crash off meth.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Daft Phader on October 03, 2012, 12:11 pm
Im a pain pill person myself , .I like the occasional tube rip on the weekends ....But i would advise against cocaine.Especially smoking it in anyway,but it in and of itself is so addicting.....I've had to turn my back on friends,,who were tough guys ...turned into nothings from smoking it ....I had my problems with it as well.......yep not recommended...
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: upast7am on October 03, 2012, 12:49 pm
Ill do anything. Especially opiate.

ADVICE: Never, ever, EVER, smoke Fentanyl powder. Especially if you like opiates. Its way too good. Its the best thing in the world. And you will never want to stop. It will grab you the first time. Id put money on it. It will become the love of your life, and you will be its slave. And if you ever manage to kick, you will experience the worst withdrawls of your life. Withdrawls worse than benzos, methadone, alcohol, heroin...the sickness lasts for weeks, months.. (i was sick 17 days straight, until i freaked out and drove 368 miles to a solid subutex connection) and at first, NOTHING will help. Your tolerance will be through the roof. You will eat a handful of subs your first day sick, and nothing will happen. Fent will ruin your body, your health, and any sort of human relationship you may have with anyone around you.  and if your not found blue, sitting on the toilet, dead, youll end up wishing you were. And then youll have to just keep smoking more F to make you forget about how much your life sucks.

Today i am 20 days (17 w/o subs, 3 with) clean from fentanyl. I had a 1400$ a day habit for 3 years.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Ben on October 05, 2012, 01:15 am
Darn, that is an expensive habit to  maintain!

I've never met anyone that smoked the stuff, though the patches are used recreationally quite often.

Opiates will cause strange effects in general though. I remember not giving a shit about a broken bone after taking just 10 mg of morphine IV
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: drugfather on October 05, 2012, 10:19 pm
OPIATES

TOO ADDICTING
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Slugger on October 06, 2012, 02:39 am
I would NEVER IV anything. That's my only thing. I feel like once you start considering to IV your drugs rather than snort them/smoke them, your going too far and it would be better to just quit in general.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Limetless on October 06, 2012, 02:42 am
I probably wouldn't take an abortion pill.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: ianfleming on October 06, 2012, 02:51 am
I would never take birth control. Actually, on second thought. I think I WILL try this at least once.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Limetless on October 06, 2012, 03:16 am
I would never take birth control. Actually, on second thought. I think I WILL try this at least once.

I always think if I did would that make me end up shitting in a bin uncontrollably like Kenny's old man in South Park.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: PrincessHIGH on October 06, 2012, 03:33 am
Paramethoxyamphetamine or PMA, also known on the streets as Dr. Death, it's cut into E's, not very often but it does happen, with fatal results ''Pink ecstasy' drugs warning issued in north Wales' (clearwebalert)  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-18310110 Fuck the dealer that cut E's with PMA, and fuck PMA, always use a proper test kit, and check up a proper pill report site, like (clearwebalert) www.pillreports.com. Everybody stay safe  :)

I would never IV anything, no offense to anybody that does, it's just something I'm never going to do, and Heroin, Crystal Meth, and that Krokodil shit, no offense to anybody that does these drugs, again, it's about me drawing a line, I enjoy drugs in moderation, and I never want to become addicted to them. From what I've read and seen, Heroin and Crystal Meth are far too addictive, and that Krokodil shit is just one of the most fucked up drugs I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: moreplease on October 06, 2012, 03:58 am
Meth (crystal). I have never wanted to and never will, it's just so dirty (no offense to anyone). And look at the super meth addicts, they look worse than any other drug.
Pharmaceutical might be okay, but that is tough to find.
How do you know if you haven't tried it? I understand if you don't want to put yourself at risk of addiction. But, respecting a drug and knocking a drug are to differant things.

First of all, I am not discriminating against methamphetamine as a whole, just crystal meth. I wasn't saying the experience or high is dirty, so how would doing crystal meth change my mind or prove to me how clean it is or how I am wrong?
I was referring to the process in which it is made. I will not be putting any synthetic substance in my body that is derived from an over-the-counter (or any other already made chemical) medication in combination with several other chemicals which process releases a toxic/flammable gas (and also contributes to pollution if not disposed of properly) before the end result.
On the other hand you will notice I did say that pharmaceutical meth might be okay, which means (again) I am not totally against meth just crystal.
I am not knocking the drug methamphetamine, or its effects, I'm knocking the creation process of crystal meth and how it is gross, in my opinion. I'm sorry if you've taken offense.

I do not think the effects of crystal and pharmacy-grade methamphetamine would be different?
These questions are real if you feel like answering, they aren't rhetorical.

At any rate, I do not do any uppers anymore because they (all) make *me* feel dirty, even too much caffeine.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Unity on October 06, 2012, 03:58 am
I don't really care for heroin, crack or coke but I wouldn't tell someone to NEVER do it. They might like it more than me.
One though that I'm sure can agreed upon is Datura and DPH. Stuff is nightmares.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sniper123 on October 06, 2012, 04:22 am
I don't really care for heroin, crack or coke but I wouldn't tell someone to NEVER do it. They might like it more than me.
One though that I'm sure can agreed upon is Datura and DPH. Stuff is nightmares.
Wow that brought back some memories. I remember when i was young and took a bunch of dph to get high. I'll never do that again. It's a nightmare and your forced to stay awake. No fun indeed.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: anon911 on October 06, 2012, 09:05 am
Meth (crystal). I have never wanted to and never will, it's just so dirty (no offense to anyone). And look at the super meth addicts, they look worse than any other drug.
Pharmaceutical might be okay, but that is tough to find.
How do you know if you haven't tried it? I understand if you don't want to put yourself at risk of addiction. But, respecting a drug and knocking a drug are to differant things.

First of all, I am not discriminating against methamphetamine as a whole, just crystal meth. I wasn't saying the experience or high is dirty, so how would doing crystal meth change my mind or prove to me how clean it is or how I am wrong?
I was referring to the process in which it is made. I will not be putting any synthetic substance in my body that is derived from an over-the-counter (or any other already made chemical) medication in combination with several other chemicals which process releases a toxic/flammable gas (and also contributes to pollution if not disposed of properly) before the end result.
On the other hand you will notice I did say that pharmaceutical meth might be okay, which means (again) I am not totally against meth just crystal.
I am not knocking the drug methamphetamine, or its effects, I'm knocking the creation process of crystal meth and how it is gross, in my opinion. I'm sorry if you've taken offense.

I do not think the effects of crystal and pharmacy-grade methamphetamine would be different?
These questions are real if you feel like answering, they aren't rhetorical.

At any rate, I do not do any uppers anymore because they (all) make *me* feel dirty, even too much caffeine.
That isn't in the end product. Learn chemistry before you spout inane nonsense and scare people with your misinformation.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Ben on October 07, 2012, 01:25 am
I don't think you should bunk a drug just because of how its synthesized.

The chemistry involved in synthesizing about any over the counter drug would leave very nasty side reaction products in the product if it were not purified afterwards.

A drug like aspirin was traditionally synthesized by reacting wintergreen oil wilt anhydrous acetic acid and sulfuric acid as a catalyst. If you were to inject the raw reaction product of that, it would most likely be fatal on the first attempt, but purification allows the synthesis of a perfectly safe medication in tablet form.

One prime example is a drug named 'krokodil'. The active compound in that is desmorphine, which in itself isn't that much pdifferent from morphine it both adverse and desired effects. The extremely bad health effects are caused not by desmorpine, but by administering the unpurified product directly. Reactants like iodine and phosphorous remain  in the product, causing conditions like gangrene to develop in users. These effects are in no way to be blamed on the desmorphie - if itaken as a pure substance it will not cause anything like that.

Meth synthesis is prone to similar problems - if meth use causes acute health problems it is far more likely that contaminants are to blame then the met itself. Obviously meth has its dangers when taken as a pure compound, but those should not be confused with adverse effects caused by contaminants in 'street' meth.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: moreplease on October 07, 2012, 03:53 am
Meth (crystal). I have never wanted to and never will, it's just so dirty (no offense to anyone). And look at the super meth addicts, they look worse than any other drug.
Pharmaceutical might be okay, but that is tough to find.
How do you know if you haven't tried it? I understand if you don't want to put yourself at risk of addiction. But, respecting a drug and knocking a drug are to differant things.

First of all, I am not discriminating against methamphetamine as a whole, just crystal meth. I wasn't saying the experience or high is dirty, so how would doing crystal meth change my mind or prove to me how clean it is or how I am wrong?
I was referring to the process in which it is made. I will not be putting any synthetic substance in my body that is derived from an over-the-counter (or any other already made chemical) medication in combination with several other chemicals which process releases a toxic/flammable gas (and also contributes to pollution if not disposed of properly) before the end result.
On the other hand you will notice I did say that pharmaceutical meth might be okay, which means (again) I am not totally against meth just crystal.
I am not knocking the drug methamphetamine, or its effects, I'm knocking the creation process of crystal meth and how it is gross, in my opinion. I'm sorry if you've taken offense.

I do not think the effects of crystal and pharmacy-grade methamphetamine would be different?
These questions are real if you feel like answering, they aren't rhetorical.

At any rate, I do not do any uppers anymore because they (all) make *me* feel dirty, even too much caffeine.
That isn't in the end product. Learn chemistry before you spout inane nonsense and scare people with your misinformation.

I never said it was in the end product, did I? No. I said I don't like the *process* because of what it involves, therefor am uncomfortable with crystal meth (the end prodcut). Never said anything about all those chemicals/toxicity being part of the end product. Notice the part where i say "BEFORE THE END RESULT."

God you crystal meth fans are so sensitive.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: moreplease on October 07, 2012, 04:04 am
I don't think you should bunk a drug just because of how its synthesized.

The chemistry involved in synthesizing about any over the counter drug would leave very nasty side reaction products in the product if it were not purified afterwards.

A drug like aspirin was traditionally synthesized by reacting wintergreen oil wilt anhydrous acetic acid and sulfuric acid as a catalyst. If you were to inject the raw reaction product of that, it would most likely be fatal on the first attempt, but purification allows the synthesis of a perfectly safe medication in tablet form.

One prime example is a drug named 'krokodil'. The active compound in that is desmorphine, which in itself isn't that much pdifferent from morphine it both adverse and desired effects. The extremely bad health effects are caused not by desmorpine, but by administering the unpurified product directly. Reactants like iodine and phosphorous remain  in the product, causing conditions like gangrene to develop in users. These effects are in no way to be blamed on the desmorphie - if itaken as a pure substance it will not cause anything like that.

Meth synthesis is prone to similar problems - if meth use causes acute health problems it is far more likely that contaminants are to blame then the met itself. Obviously meth has its dangers when taken as a pure compound, but those should not be confused with adverse effects caused by contaminants in 'street' meth.

Ah, I guess I will never  be taking aspirin again  ;)
And  Inow  understand why many of the people on this thread have answered krokodil.

Is there a chance that there would be impurities in poorly manufactured crystal meth, the stuff you score on the street (or SR perhaps)?

Thank you for replying in a calm, rational, explanatory manner, I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Ben on October 08, 2012, 01:39 am
There is always a risk of some contaminant left behind in the drug if you are taking it off the streets.

Meth is a drug rarely seen in europe, but given its synthesis routes i'd suspect any batch to be contaminated. This is not because the substance is that hard to make in proper lab, but mostly because people attempt to make it in illicit labs. They may skip purification stepts to save on cost and increase "yield"

The chemistry behind isn't all hat complicated, its just purification steps being omitted became the suppliers don't give a rats ass about the consequences for the end users.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: tracers on October 12, 2012, 10:02 pm
a kid at my school OD'd on heroin and died at age 16.  one of the family memebers went to wake him up for school and he was already cold.  dont fucking do it its not worth it.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: calzone69 on October 12, 2012, 10:13 pm
I would never try MDPV. Too many scary stories to make me try it even once. Generally I try to avoid all so-called designer drugs.

From my own experience, I would advice people against doing heroin. Sure, good high but eventually fucks you up or just is a royal pain in your ass.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: SandSnake on October 12, 2012, 11:10 pm
Would never try crystal meth, crack, mdpv. I've smoked heroin, but would never inject it or anything else.
I also would never do pcp or salvia (again :P )
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: edar on October 12, 2012, 11:14 pm
SMACK  Again   never  :'(
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: HomeGrown on October 12, 2012, 11:22 pm
SMACK  Again   never  :'(

I love smack, not i.v. though only snorted. 
I'd never try Meth, or Crack.

I'd advise not doing Tramadol as I think there is a very dirty high to it, and mostly in the head high. I've only experienced lightheaded some euphoria and major headaches half an hour in.
I wouldn't advise a good amount of Research Chemicals ( too many to name )
I'm sure there are others I'd advise not trying, but can't think about them right now.

Although I can't really say I wouldn't advise someone to not use such, and such product because of my dislike/bad experience, or whatever you so have it, as they may react COMPLETELY different, or may like the said product I didn't, and so on.

After all, we all have different body chemistry.

Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Ben on October 13, 2012, 12:56 am
Interesting that you mention tramadol in this thread. For most people it doesn't pose any problems, and acts as a painkiller that will relax you quite a bit too without resorting to straight opiates like morphine just yet.

As you point out everyone is different and for some people tramadol may have unpleasant effects, but i wouldn't say this is so common it should be a warning for the population at large to avoid it.

Personally i don't use it recreationally, but if something hurts to the point where nsaids aren't going to really cut it, i'd be happy to take a tramjet or two. Perhaps a problem is that people have too high expectations, counting on a morphine like effect and keep taking more of the stuff until that is achieved. I suppose it will never be however, and at such amounts side effects will become rather unpleasant.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: moreplease on October 13, 2012, 02:20 am
a kid at my school OD'd on heroin and died at age 16.  one of the family memebers went to wake him up for school and he was already cold.  dont fucking do it its not worth it.

If you're serious
This is an example of someone not knowing what they're doing. People that OD make me angry. I mean obviously it's sad and if he meant to OD that's also very sad, but more likely he was just stupid about it. (Rest in peace)

People used to tell me I was going to die from using H, because of all the people that OD gives H a bad name (other than the addiction/losing everything 'name'). I was like, uhm I'm not going to die because I'm not stupid about it (always do a test shot)...
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: k4rts on October 13, 2012, 02:52 am
Things I've tried: Marijuana, Alcohol, Tobacco, MDMA, Xanax, Shrooms.
Things I'd like to try: Cocaine, phenibut, bk-MDMA, + other drugs similar to xanax.
Things I wouldn't try: Everything else.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Magic Man on October 13, 2012, 03:49 am
Would try: Weed, shrooms, pure mdma, cocaine.
Stay away: All opiates, crack,  LSD & Research chems.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: johnwholesome on October 13, 2012, 04:05 am
Crack...

Hands down, it is the most evil shit out there. I dun care how well you manager your coke and amph use, I dun care if you managed H. for years without becoming addicted. Crack will get a hold of you from the first hit on.

So you've been doing coke socially for ten years and even slammed it now and then, and now you think how much worse can that be......trust me....waaaaaaaay worse.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: hashmat on October 13, 2012, 04:14 am
I started young on Pot & acid, then speed(not ice)that came later. Benzos,lots-evry kind we could get, Ice, copiuos amounts of alcohol
during this time period. Heroine, synthetic coke(you get what you can-right), prescrption opioids, Ket. XTC, Years on the methadone.
 I won't touch Coke.
I know I will love it too much.
I will never be able to afford a habit with my addictive nature.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: PharmerBob on October 13, 2012, 07:24 am
salvia, only because it makes u feel very bad, pure dysphoria like your bones are being ripped out ur body and crushed up.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: MC Haberdasher on October 13, 2012, 06:24 pm
One drug that I have tried, but wouldn't recommend anyone try...


5-MeO-AMT


Sure, it's clear headed..  But it lasts too damn long! 
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sirjoss88 on October 13, 2012, 07:52 pm
I will never try Heroin, Crack, GHB, meth.. Because it seems to dangerous for me... seen to much shit..
And i will never IV anything, well steroids, but no drugs  :P
edit and PCP offcourse.. som dangerous stuff..
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: ianfleming on October 13, 2012, 08:01 pm
Whats wrong with GHB?
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: numbering on October 13, 2012, 08:01 pm
I will never try Heroin, Crack, GHB, meth.. Because it seems to dangerous for me... seen to much shit..
And i will never IV anything, well steroids, but no drugs  :P
edit and PCP offcourse.. som dangerous stuff..

Wow, you seem to be really anxious or pretty young. Never tried anything of your above mentioned either but wouldn't say to never do it. Particularly Meth and GHB.
Apart from that the question was what you've already tried and wouldn't recommend others to also take.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sirjoss88 on October 13, 2012, 08:14 pm
I will never try Heroin, Crack, GHB, meth.. Because it seems to dangerous for me... seen to much shit..
And i will never IV anything, well steroids, but no drugs  :P
edit and PCP offcourse.. som dangerous stuff..

Wow, you seem to be really anxious or pretty young. Never tried anything of your above mentioned either but wouldn't say to never do it. Particularly Meth and GHB.
Apart from that the question was what you've already tried and wouldn't recommend others to also take.

no it wasnt, the question was is there a drug you will never try ?or advice others not to try after doing?
Maybe im anxios but not young ;)
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sirjoss88 on October 13, 2012, 08:18 pm
Whats wrong with GHB?

mayby its just me, but ive seen alot of people going to the hospital  after taken GHB.. But i dont know much about it to be honest..
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: numbering on October 13, 2012, 08:21 pm
I will never try Heroin, Crack, GHB, meth.. Because it seems to dangerous for me... seen to much shit..
And i will never IV anything, well steroids, but no drugs  :P
edit and PCP offcourse.. som dangerous stuff..

Wow, you seem to be really anxious or pretty young. Never tried anything of your above mentioned either but wouldn't say to never do it. Particularly Meth and GHB.
Apart from that the question was what you've already tried and wouldn't recommend others to also take.

no it wasnt, the question was is there a drug you will never try ?or advice others not to try after doing?
Maybe im anxios but not young ;)

Okay, my mistake ;)
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: go4green on October 15, 2012, 10:19 am
umm
I'm open to try anything  ;D
but mushrooms maybe  :-\?? Not sure I'd enjoy auditory and visuals
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: ianfleming on October 15, 2012, 03:26 pm
Quote
but mushrooms maybe  :-\?? Not sure I'd enjoy auditory and visuals
Visuals are fun, however auditory hallucinations can be scary for many people.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: GGGreenbud on October 15, 2012, 04:32 pm
umm
I'm open to try anything  ;D
but mushrooms maybe  :-\?? Not sure I'd enjoy auditory and visuals
The mushroom is a strange experience, often you won't even get intense visuals your first time, or you will get VERY intense ones.  Ultimately, the Trip, whether it be MDMA, Psilocybin, or LSD, is more mental than visual or physical, especially if you prepare.  The mushroom trip is often described as "rough", and I understand that stomach discomfort/puking is what many have trouble with.   The come-up and plateau are often peppered with scary imagery, but you have nothing to fear.  Imagine seeing things like Angels, or Plant-People, even just the mental aspect of ego death and rebirth spiritually which can occur.  I tell everyone to take mushrooms, or at least try.  OK MY TURN.  I would never take Lobelia Inflata, it will mellow you out, it grows everywhere, definitely medically helpful for some people, but I ate a leaf or two, then decided a seed pod was in my future- big mistake.  Puked my guts out.  That's what I get for being a little punk reading "legal highs" ASCII text files online, who didn't know any better! ouch!  Hope that helps! GGG!
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: microRNA on October 15, 2012, 05:35 pm
i wouldnt recommend opiates because i am addicted to them lol

but seriously i wonder how many people who are hating on heroin have used drugs like oxycodone or even oxymorphone... i use H because of the cost savings, but i would totally prefer oxy if i could afford it. its what got me addicted to opis in the first place and people certainly underestimate its danger and addictive potential.  they perpetuate this horrible stigma about H, while thinking oxy is acceptable cause theyre prescription "medicine" which is ridiculous
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: GGGreenbud on October 15, 2012, 08:09 pm
i wouldnt recommend opiates because i am addicted to them lol

but seriously i wonder how many people who are hating on heroin have used drugs like oxycodone or even oxymorphone... i use H because of the cost savings, but i would totally prefer oxy if i could afford it. its what got me addicted to opis in the first place and people certainly underestimate its danger and addictive potential.  they perpetuate this horrible stigma about H, while thinking oxy is acceptable cause theyre prescription "medicine" which is ridiculous
   I started on Rx pills, moved on to H pretty quickly, chipped for about 2 years before it got out of control, and now take them responsibly.   I know what you mean, I have friends who would flush the 'ol H down the toilet, but would snort an Opana in a second.  For me, it just wasn't an issue, I'd done methadone and oxycodone, so when a friend in highschool went out of town and came back with a $20 bag of Colombian White, I didn't think twice.  It took a bit before I shot it, but really, as you said, there is NO difference between the stuff in the bag and the stuff in the pill.   In the US, more people die from Methadone every year than Heroin, by a factor of 5+ to 1.  If I ever had to suggest something for a Newb NOT to do, it's Methadone, due to the delayed onset,  6 hour peak and 12 hour second peak.  I've lost many friends to it.  GGG  8) 
        "It's Junk." - William S. Burroughs, Jr., on Percodan.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: johnwholesome on October 15, 2012, 08:10 pm
i wouldnt recommend opiates because i am addicted to them lol

but seriously i wonder how many people who are hating on heroin have used drugs like oxycodone or even oxymorphone... i use H because of the cost savings, but i would totally prefer oxy if i could afford it. its what got me addicted to opis in the first place and people certainly underestimate its danger and addictive potential.  they perpetuate this horrible stigma about H, while thinking oxy is acceptable cause theyre prescription "medicine" which is ridiculous

Very true, after all, Heroin IS a prescription drug still prescribed in the UK under the names Diamorphine and Diacetylmorphine.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: kmfkewm on October 16, 2012, 12:55 am
I have tried crack meth and heroin. I absolutely did not like crack. It was an overwhelming flight or fight rush and it lingered with me through out the day. I do not see it as recreational or even enjoyable, so certainly did not become addicted after one use. Heroin was fun and I think I handled myself quite well on it, I didn't get addicted etc but I have seen heroin fuck peoples lives up and it is bad news. Meth is highly addictive and I would suggest against it, I still get cravings for it to this day many years after trying it last and after never having been a heavy user.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: weed4speednstuff on October 18, 2012, 01:07 am
I would never try the Level 2 drugs and I would advise people to not inhale whip its because the effects are not worth the damage they do to your brain IMO.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: microRNA on October 18, 2012, 01:40 am
do you have any reputable evidence from decent studies that demonstrate nitrous oxide is actually neurotoxic? its not like normal inhalants like organic solvents which maybe you have it confused with, nitrous is basically considered non-toxic. its actually neuroprotective by inhibiting glutamatergic excitotoxicity...

there is no real evidence nitrous causes damage to human brains as you claim, without sources... if you are referring to the studies done in rodents they cant be extrapolated to humans, because the same results were never obtained, even with ketamine
they still give it to kids at the dentist after all and use it in many other medical settings

from my last research the only thing i found was a vitamin deficiency after long term heavy use (which can have its own negative effects but thats indirect from the nitrous). the freaking oxygen deprivation of people holding their breath is more harmful than the nitrous by far

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7425334
www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-196838.html
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: kmfkewm on October 18, 2012, 01:49 am
if nitrous at recreational doses caused brain damage I doubt it would be used at anesthetic doses by dentists
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Red Flag on October 18, 2012, 01:53 am
PCP - Doesnt sound like that great of a high anyway........
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: weed4speednstuff on October 18, 2012, 03:48 am
do you have any reputable evidence from decent studies that demonstrate nitrous oxide is actually neurotoxic? its not like normal inhalants like organic solvents which maybe you have it confused with, nitrous is basically considered non-toxic. its actually neuroprotective by inhibiting glutamatergic excitotoxicity...

there is no real evidence nitrous causes damage to human brains as you claim, without sources... if you are referring to the studies done in rodents they cant be extrapolated to humans, because the same results were never obtained, even with ketamine
they still give it to kids at the dentist after all and use it in many other medical settings

from my last research the only thing i found was a vitamin deficiency after long term heavy use (which can have its own negative effects but thats indirect from the nitrous). the freaking oxygen deprivation of people holding their breath is more harmful than the nitrous by far

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7425334
www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-196838.html

"Occasionally, certain anesthetic agents become misused drugs. Nitrous oxide is an example. A gas of low anesthetic potency, it is incapable of inducing deep levels of anesthesia if an adequate oxygen concentration is maintained. Nitrous oxide induces a state of behavioral disinhibition, analgesia, and euphoria. One of the problems occasionally encountered when nitrous oxide is used for recreational purposes is that, unless the compound is administered with at least 20 percent oxygen, hypoxia (decreased oxygen content of the blood) can be induced. But in order to achieve high enough concentrations of nitrous oxide to get a good behavioral effect, concentrations of 50 percent or greater must be inhaled. If such concentrations are mixed with room air, inhaled oxygen concentrations drop to low levels and the hypoxia may result in irreversible brain damage."
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Oh The Places Youll go on October 18, 2012, 03:55 am
Nicotine....
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: jsmithy123 on October 18, 2012, 03:57 am
I would not do LSD again, I did it once almost two decades ago and tripped for an afternoon, then went psychotic and ended up sectioned (committed) for two weeks it was at times quite terrifying & confusing, memories of being sat on by 3 male orderlies in a padded room while they injected whatever in my butt cheeks will never leave me.

The worst was having to show you have recovered your sanity in order to get out. It is surprisingly hard to get a grip on reality when locked in a psych ward surrounded by full time psychotics. My assigned doctor pushed me to go on lithium,  for the rest of my life. fuck that, he was wrong. Luckily the whole thing did not screw up my career but it absolutely wasn't worth 8 hours of hallucinations and the realization my apartment badly needed dusting.

I would advise any first time LSD users to check their family history for psychosis/depression/whatever and if there is stuff there, avoid hallucinogenics, it isn't worth it.

Oh, and I'd not start nicotine again. Even smoking for two years and quitting you spend the rest of your life tempted by nicotine you never truly become a non-smoker again - just an ex-smoker.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: microRNA on October 18, 2012, 05:01 am

"Occasionally, certain anesthetic agents become misused drugs. Nitrous oxide is an example. A gas of low anesthetic potency, it is incapable of inducing deep levels of anesthesia if an adequate oxygen concentration is maintained. Nitrous oxide induces a state of behavioral disinhibition, analgesia, and euphoria. One of the problems occasionally encountered when nitrous oxide is used for recreational purposes is that, unless the compound is administered with at least 20 percent oxygen, hypoxia (decreased oxygen content of the blood) can be induced. But in order to achieve high enough concentrations of nitrous oxide to get a good behavioral effect, concentrations of 50 percent or greater must be inhaled. If such concentrations are mixed with room air, inhaled oxygen concentrations drop to low levels and the hypoxia may result in irreversible brain damage."

Thats not providing a source... what is that from? its not from a legit study confirming the toxicity of nitrous certainly

And anyway that DOES NOT say nitrous is neurotoxic or causes brain damage

like i said - that states hypoxia, which is lack of oxygen that potentially causes damage.  nitrous doesnt cause anymore damage than holding your breath, it actually causes less:

hypoxia damage is mostly induced through glutamatergic neural systems which are especially sensitive to lack of oxygen, but if you read my post i clearly state nitrous is neuroprotective against this specific kind of excitotoxicity - so holding your breath with nitrous is actually probably safer than just holding it without. if you have ever gone swimming youre causing more damage than if you did nitrous
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Theaides on October 18, 2012, 06:16 am
Okay after actually trying cocaine I really have to say this shit is overrated and awful.  I feel fucking sick as fuck now on teh comedown, did 600mg over the course of 6 hours after telling myself i wouldn't fiend for it after the first trial.

I failed.

Just decided to finish what's left, brave the crash, and not touching this shit ever again, at least not keeping a supply of it around.  Nice for OCCASIONAL partying though.  Not nearly as bad as it's made out to be if you can fight the cravings I'm sure.  But I had a feeling I would give in when I decided to try it, so now my curiosity is sated and my fears justified.  Not the drug for me.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sniper123 on October 19, 2012, 06:51 am
Okay after actually trying cocaine I really have to say this shit is overrated and awful.  I feel fucking sick as fuck now on teh comedown, did 600mg over the course of 6 hours after telling myself i wouldn't fiend for it after the first trial.

I failed.

Just decided to finish what's left, brave the crash, and not touching this shit ever again, at least not keeping a supply of it around.  Nice for OCCASIONAL partying though.  Not nearly as bad as it's made out to be if you can fight the cravings I'm sure.  But I had a feeling I would give in when I decided to try it, so now my curiosity is sated and my fears justified.  Not the drug for me.
Try mdpv, and you'll love cola. :P You'll understand the beauty of it. Then again, you might of got some poor product.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: ralph123 on October 19, 2012, 10:55 am
Ritalin did not have a good effect on me. I tried it one time and that was enough. I will never do it again. I hated it. Don't know why it had such a shitty effect when other stems prove to be pretty good and other people seem to like it. I guess that just shows that drugs effect everyone differently.  It gave me the worst head ache I ever felt and I could hear my heart beating fast and loud. I guess it ran my blood pressure to high.

No other drug has ever did that to me. I had snorted a ritalin 20.

I also stay away from morphine. It has an alergic reaction on me. Especially those opanas which I'll never do again either. I can do straight morphine pills or liquid and just get mildly ill a little bit. But still I'd rather not feel like that either. I tried Opanas three different times because friends would say that I just needed to get used to it.

Well fuck that shit. I'd rather not get used to laying in the floor in the fetal position next to the toilet all night.

Zoloft can get fucked as well. No wander Tyson was so fucked up. I'd be mad as hell to if I had taken more then the one zoloft the shrink put me on. I threw that shit in the garbage. As a matter of fact I refuse to take any anti depressants because I don't believe they have any good effects at all. Just my opinion but I think they are what they call a placebo  or something where they put you on a pill and tell you it will help and if your mind really believes it then yea you will feel better after you take one. Just another form of brain washing
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sniper123 on October 19, 2012, 12:04 pm
Ritalin did not have a good effect on me. I tried it one time and that was enough. I will never do it again. I hated it. Don't know why it had such a shitty effect when other stems prove to be pretty good and other people seem to like it. I guess that just shows that drugs effect everyone differently.  It gave me the worst head ache I ever felt and I could hear my heart beating fast and loud. I guess it ran my blood pressure to high.

No other drug has ever did that to me. I had snorted a ritalin 20.

I also stay away from morphine. It has an alergic reaction on me. Especially those opanas which I'll never do again either. I can do straight morphine pills or liquid and just get mildly ill a little bit. But still I'd rather not feel like that either. I tried Opanas three different times because friends would say that I just needed to get used to it.

Well fuck that shit. I'd rather not get used to laying in the floor in the fetal position next to the toilet all night.

Zoloft can get fucked as well. No wander Tyson was so fucked up. I'd be mad as hell to if I had taken more then the one zoloft the shrink put me on. I threw that shit in the garbage. As a matter of fact I refuse to take any anti depressants because I don't believe they have any good effects at all. Just my opinion but I think they are what they call a placebo  or something where they put you on a pill and tell you it will help and if your mind really believes it then yea you will feel better after you take one. Just another form of brain washing
Ritilan always makes me suicidial on the comedown. I can't stand it. I get all sad and depressed thinking i'm not worth anything. I thought speed was supposed to boost my ego, not destroy it.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: brainiac on October 19, 2012, 07:15 pm
unicorn blood and/or someones pis after they eat amanita muscaria...probably never do crack again.. it was pointless.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: ianfleming on October 20, 2012, 01:03 am
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Crack, heroin, meth. Anything with a needle.
The only dope that needs to be shot is Reagan
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: DigitalHippie on October 20, 2012, 03:44 am
Crack, meth, and heroin. All have strong addictive qualities, all are very dangerous if abused. I've never tried either of those, and not plan. I have heard heroin is the best high you'd ever have, and if it wasn't so damn addictive, I might try.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: ralph123 on October 20, 2012, 04:31 am

Ritilan always makes me suicidial on the comedown. I can't stand it. I get all sad and depressed thinking i'm not worth anything. I thought speed was supposed to boost my ego, not destroy it.

I don't know if maybe I was put on it as a small child being to hyper or what but Ritalin has a bad effect on me. The other guys talk about crack, heroin, and meth and I have enjoyed all those three and still do from time to time but they are kind of out of range for me at this stage in my life. The only drug I ever injected is meth. I don't see myself ever using a needle like that again. I've come to realize that if I can't get high on a drug without using a needle then it's time to take a break from that drug. I used to sell plasma and they used a 17 gauge needle so I have a permanent place on my arm making an easy target for hitting a vein. I can hit that vein with my eyes closed.

I have to randomly interact with kids and respectable people and so I can't afford to be walking around with needle marks all over my arms and I hate long sleeve shirts and refuse to wear them even in the dead of winter. I just had to draw the line when it came to bangin the vein on my dick or on my feet and legs. I just felt that was enough needle shit for me. I used to run around with people who bragged about banging in the jugular
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: DigitalHippie on October 20, 2012, 04:35 am
Oh and another thing. I will never inject anything, needles freak me out. I could never inject myself. I fucking hate the rare doctor visit were I get a shot or blood drawn, I certainly would not want to do it to myself no matter how good the potential experience is. I have considered SMOKING heroin, but that's it.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: johnwholesome on October 22, 2012, 05:26 pm
Shame, slamming coke is quite the experience....
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: TonBarBar on October 23, 2012, 12:38 am
I absolutely refuse to take a drug that's really addictive (like benzos/coke/opiates). I don't want to become a junkie or something, my wallet cant take it, let alone my job. Especially cocaine, I've heard it just makes you want to do more cocaine, which isn't my type of deal. Plus the only people I knew who were really into coke were a couple of idiots and lost me ~$200 once, so I refuse to be anywhere around coke now. It's just booze and other, lesser drugs for me!
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: asdfsquared on October 24, 2012, 02:52 pm
Is there a drug I would never try?

Nope. I'll try anything once.

IMO hard drugs are plenty safe to do, but you have respect the drug and the power its going to have over you as soon as you get your hands on it. Don't buy large amounts, and force yourself to not buy any more. Once you 'go down the rabbit hole' with an addiction to a particular drug, you can't touch that drug again, ever, or it will become a problem again. Before an addiction? Manage yourself and your cravings, don't let yourself slip, and occasional usage won't be an issue.

Experienced hard drug users know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: GGGreenbud on October 24, 2012, 03:56 pm
Ritalin did not have a good effect on me. I tried it one time and that was enough. I will never do it again. I hated it. Don't know why it had such a shitty effect when other stems prove to be pretty good and other people seem to like it. I guess that just shows that drugs effect everyone differently.  It gave me the worst head ache I ever felt and I could hear my heart beating fast and loud. I guess it ran my blood pressure to high.

No other drug has ever did that to me. I had snorted a ritalin 20.

I also stay away from morphine. It has an alergic reaction on me. Especially those opanas which I'll never do again either. I can do straight morphine pills or liquid and just get mildly ill a little bit. But still I'd rather not feel like that either. I tried Opanas three different times because friends would say that I just needed to get used to it.

Well fuck that shit. I'd rather not get used to laying in the floor in the fetal position next to the toilet all night.

Zoloft can get fucked as well. No wander Tyson was so fucked up. I'd be mad as hell to if I had taken more then the one zoloft the shrink put me on. I threw that shit in the garbage. As a matter of fact I refuse to take any anti depressants because I don't believe they have any good effects at all. Just my opinion but I think they are what they call a placebo  or something where they put you on a pill and tell you it will help and if your mind really believes it then yea you will feel better after you take one. Just another form of brain washing
Ritilan always makes me suicidial on the comedown. I can't stand it. I get all sad and depressed thinking i'm not worth anything. I thought speed was supposed to boost my ego, not destroy it.
  I agree with the former post about SSRIs.  I know that they work for some people, and they worked when I was younger, but now ALL of them make me sick as hell, except for Trazodone, which I take for sleep sometimes, in low dosages.  I find it reprehensible that a MD would give a psychologically unstable person an SSRI without supervision, and starting with the doses they do.  I even suspect that I have Liver enzyme damage from these drugs(mostly prozac, effexor, wellbutrin, lexapro, celexa, zoloft).   The whole idea of them is to boost Serotonin, do you know why they don't have a serum/brain test for Serotonin levels that diagnoses depression ? because the correlation is so weak, and levels vary so much, that the test would be useless.  I suspect serotonin deficiency  is a symptom of depression, not the cause.  The underlying causes are usually self-defeating thoughts, metabolic anomalies in the pineal gland, and hypoglycemia.   Dopamine and Norepinephrine may play a larger role, but most brain activity is modulated not by Neurochemicals like these, but rather by protein-based endorphin-like substances, which have to be injected directly into the brain if taken artificially.  This is why excercise and diet help so much with depression.  That being said, SSRIs do work for some people, just not me. 
 
  A  former Ritalin "addict", I can say that methylphenidate doesn't really get better.  IMO the only thing it is good for is if you are going to a job interview, and got really drunk/stoned/pilled out the night before.  I took 10mg po while extremely hung over and lethargic once, and I got the job! I felt spacey as hell, but I got it.   Snorting ritalin, will help you get work done, and keep you awake, but even though I have access to it, I decline to use it.  The comedown, is bitch.  I have calculated that 5-6 hours after taking methylphenidate, you SHOULD be able to sleep it off.  OTH, I've been up 7 hours after doing a huge(300-400mg) binge, and it was crazy, I fell asleep with my eyes open.  The only time I didn't have a comedown was when I went on a super-binge,  I did 30-40 20mg tablets over the course of 3 days, I got wavy vision and passed out.   I only used it once after that, but I really enjoyed it when I first started using it.  Narcolepsy and ADD are legitimate uses for this compound, as well as the hangover function I mentioned earlier.   For some reason the time from T+0.0-Peak gets shorter every time when you snort it, little by little.   So after a while, you get maybe 30-45min of come-up with a down of 4 hours, which kinda sucks.  I've smoked and injected it as well, both of those routes are not very fun(don't do it!).  Hope this helps people who are interested in what I formerly referred  to as "Vitamin R."
   
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sniper123 on October 25, 2012, 02:09 am

Ritilan always makes me suicidial on the comedown. I can't stand it. I get all sad and depressed thinking i'm not worth anything. I thought speed was supposed to boost my ego, not destroy it.

I don't know if maybe I was put on it as a small child being to hyper or what but Ritalin has a bad effect on me. The other guys talk about crack, heroin, and meth and I have enjoyed all those three and still do from time to time but they are kind of out of range for me at this stage in my life. The only drug I ever injected is meth. I don't see myself ever using a needle like that again. I've come to realize that if I can't get high on a drug without using a needle then it's time to take a break from that drug. I used to sell plasma and they used a 17 gauge needle so I have a permanent place on my arm making an easy target for hitting a vein. I can hit that vein with my eyes closed.

I have to randomly interact with kids and respectable people and so I can't afford to be walking around with needle marks all over my arms and I hate long sleeve shirts and refuse to wear them even in the dead of winter. I just had to draw the line when it came to bangin the vein on my dick or on my feet and legs. I just felt that was enough needle shit for me. I used to run around with people who bragged about banging in the jugular
That reminds me of one of my friends that would shoot up in the jugular. When i first met him he explained to me how he liked to get high. He said. "If i don't feel as if i'm dieng on the rush and i have to battle for my life. I'm not high enough." I'm more of a person who likes to get high to "enjoy" myself rather than "battle" for my life. I guess i'm just not as intense as others. I know my limits, because i have walked the line of them before and it's something i don't enjoy. I wanna live to get high another day, but i understand people's mentality of wanting to push it to the limit.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Pillows on October 25, 2012, 06:17 pm
bath salts....nuff said

I tried MDPV once and it was the worst drug i've ever taken. Turned me and my friend into people I didn't even recognize, never again. It's honestly the only drug I would call evil
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: psych0naut on October 26, 2012, 12:22 am
I don't think I'll ever take anything but weed/hash and LSD, because I care about my health and those drugs are known for being *almost* harmless. I respect other opinions though.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Theaides on October 26, 2012, 12:30 am
Okay after actually trying cocaine I really have to say this shit is overrated and awful.  I feel fucking sick as fuck now on teh comedown, did 600mg over the course of 6 hours after telling myself i wouldn't fiend for it after the first trial.

I failed.

Just decided to finish what's left, brave the crash, and not touching this shit ever again, at least not keeping a supply of it around.  Nice for OCCASIONAL partying though.  Not nearly as bad as it's made out to be if you can fight the cravings I'm sure.  But I had a feeling I would give in when I decided to try it, so now my curiosity is sated and my fears justified.  Not the drug for me.
Try mdpv, and you'll love cola. :P You'll understand the beauty of it. Then again, you might of got some poor product.

Nah, honestly I think it was my fault my first coke experience was unpleasant.  Actually it was my 2nd time using it that it made me initially swear it off...  the quality was fine, friend wanted me to get the vendor's phone # so he could be his gay lover (he snorts some junkie quality street shit all day err day) this was like filet mignon to him in comparison he said.

Anyway, I basically did lines when I got home from work, hadn't eaten since noon, so once the high tapered off I got this AWFUL nausea and felt like absolute shit on the comedown, something that definitely didn't happen the first first time I tried it.  In conclusion, I'm always going to eat before coking out, and following up with a regimen of vitamins and maybe a benzo for the really tough comedowns in the future.  I seriously felt like death all night though...and my friend confirmed that some people need food in their stomach or coke destroys them (confirm?)

I'm gonna give it another shot, in hindsight the actual high was very pleasant and I caught up with so many old friends while I was snorting the last of what I ordered, it felt good to be social and open with people, just the fact I couldn't hold out more than 2 days before dipping into it again worried me.  I know my ability to curb the craving for getting high is stronger than that, seeing as I haven't touched any of the other swell products sitting around, I think it was more of a conscious experimentation binge (I tend to binge on a new drug initially and then it gets old within a couple weeks) rather than an early addiction.

Really I think coke is one of the "softer" drugs out there still, it has less instantly troublesome effects than something like MDPV, or PCP.

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IMO hard drugs are plenty safe to do, but you have respect the drug and the power its going to have over you as soon as you get your hands on it.

Honestly this in a nutshell.  I noticed a pattern of gradual opening up to experimentation in my years.  It started out as:

"I'm never going to do drugs."

into

"I'll just smoke weed"

into

"Shrooms and acid are cool every now and then"

into

"MDMA, psychs, and some psychedelic RCs"

into

"Fuck it, I'll try coke, but thats as far..."

into

"I might try snorting meth once" (not quite really at this point though, I am still sketch about it)

---

But most "hard" drugs are what you make of them.  You have the power to regulate your habits, and I think the SR is particularly positive in terms of harm reduction.  We have a very open and supportive/knowledgeable community of semi-responsible (lol) users who can offer expertise on any drug in the world at the same touch of a button where you can buy said products.  It's also harder to give into cravings and addiction since you have to go through the whole BTC process over the accessibility of a local dealer who can toss a bag at you every day.  It's kind of like a 3 step self-check every time you think "I'm gonna buy something from SR"...at least to me. 

Again, with coke I feel if I was going through a friend or local dealer to get my supply it could potentially be a problem, but accessibility through SR makes me think twice about how much I'm getting and how frequently, since I usually only drop a bunch of BTC into my account once a month or bi-monthly at most, so if I blow through my drugs too fast then I have to force myself to wait it out. 

Also, habit-forming is just that, if you form a bad habit, it will stay with you, but if you catch it early and turn it into a moderated habit, then you tend to stay to that schedule -- so in a way even if you do decide to test the waters with potentially dangerous/addictive types of drugs you have a system in place that'll catch bad habits and correct them before they become life-altering.  My cokehead friend has offered to hook me up with his cheap supplier but honestly, after sampling my first from the road I can't settle for less lol.  That's a good self-check IMO, though.  I've given his a try just to see and it really sucks in comparison, he's like "Yeah honestly if you can get shit like that don't bother going cheap, it's just not worth it" (still boggles me why he keeps doing coke...if it's even coke at all, probably like 90% levamisole) -- then again I stopped asking why people smoke cigarettes like a chimney anyway.

For the most part though any drug has tons of safety information on the internet you can do the research yourself and decide what you're willing to give a try or not, there are just some drugs that you have to be extra careful with because the safety bounds are not well written or studied, especially with the RC market, I know things like PCP or MDPV can have serious consequences if you don't be extremely careful with them, though, and drugs that have a higher-than-average risk factor, respected or not, are beyond my comfort zone, personally.  Opiates are one thing I refuse to even go near simply because of the heavy addiction potential in it though, that's not anti-drug propaganda either, even the opiate users agree it was a big mistake getting sucked into things like heroin in the first place.  Some drugs there IS no responsible use for a majority of people.

But as far as all the rest, as long as you are prepared to deal with the potential crashes, negative aspects, physicalities, withdrawal symptoms, -- it's well worth it, because 20 years down the road you'll be able to provide your kids with real experience and knowledge of what drugs you've done, and often times it'll be something you can bond with your kid over when you're like 60 and they all grown up.  Even to this day, I wish my parents were less constrictive and hard-headed about drug use, especially since they did coke, and psychedelics in their youth, then somehow decided to follow the propaganda and myths.  But making drugs seem more "legendary" drives us to experiment with them and see what there is to offer, especially once you realize they're no worse than a cup of coffee or hard alcohol for your health.

All things in moderation, whatever you do, do your homework on anything you decide to try.  Especially if it's more obscure, or an RC.

Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: kitkat82 on October 26, 2012, 03:32 am
Personally I will never try any hallucinogens, because I have a history of severe depression and mania.  I do not want to play around with something that could end with me losing touch with reality and killing myself.  I don't think anyone who has mental health issues should mess with the stuff, at least that is what I was told by my cousin who refused to sell me acid when I was a teen.  I am so grateful that he stood his ground on that.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: ianfleming on October 26, 2012, 03:44 am
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Personally I will never try any hallucinogens, because I have a history of severe depression and mania.  I do not want to play around with something that could end with me losing touch with reality and killing myself.  I don't think anyone who has mental health issues should mess with the stuff, at least that is what I was told by my cousin who refused to sell me acid when I was a teen.  I am so grateful that he stood his ground on that.

Wait, what?
But you have an avatar that refers to 2c-b, which is a hallucinogen.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: kitkat82 on October 26, 2012, 03:46 am
No it doesn't.  It says coffee...vodka...drugs.  It is not about 2cb at all.  Where did you get that from?  This picture has been around for quite a while, since before the whole research chemical thing.  It is a 50's mom, showingh her going from tired..to caffeinated, to buzzed, then high.

Is some vendor using it to advertise a research drug?   That irritates me because they obviously don't understand where the picture comes from at all.

Google "Tea, coffee, vodka, drugs" and you will see the original and very popular meme that someone obviously altered and changed the meaning of.

ETA: Ok, that bothered me enough that I changed the text under my avatar to help guide those who think that that picture belongs to some vendor on SR.  It does not.  It is actually popular meme in women's message boards.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: TheYowie on October 26, 2012, 05:08 am
Well I'm on a mission to try most things once (okay maybe twice) and today it was Viagra's turn!

I know, I know.  Soft, right? ;)

Seriously, wtf.  If you don't have ED - which I don't - I'm not sure why anyone would bother.  For a while, it kinda makes it feel like you have a robotic cock!  There's a disconnect between the desire and the actual mechanics of getting a hard-on.  No, you don't run around with a boner for hours like they'd have you believe, it just feels....weird. haha!

The reason I wouldn't recommend it (but please, by all means do whatever the fuck you like) is the side effects.  Any physical ailment that you have will feel worse.  You're back teeth will hurt.  Your head will feel like it's perched under a heater. And you'll feel like your cock is a robot.  What's the point? :D

Okay, the point would be that my pants department doesn't work after bombing 200mg + of molly, so the next experiment is this. Any advise from the peanut gallery?
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: moreplease on November 01, 2012, 12:56 am
Crack, meth, and heroin. All have strong addictive qualities, all are very dangerous if abused. I've never tried either of those, and not plan. I have heard heroin is the best high you'd ever have, and if it wasn't so damn addictive, I might try.

Cocaine is just as addictive as heroin, but I noticed that's not mentioned... I would say even more so because you feel like you need to keep doing it to avoid the anxiety that starts instantly once you begin to come down off your last hit/line/whatever.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Virmo on November 01, 2012, 02:27 am
Did some quick reading.
I would advice people not to take drugs that they know not every bit about.

And stay away from antidepressants and antipsychotics. Unless your mental condition is really serious.
I'm seriously afraid I will never be able to get off of them anymore and I can't enjoy drugs anymore like I used to: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=64155.0
And nobody wants to help me out get some cash to become a vendor and make a small profit to take an alternative route to quitting my meds.
But there is always a way.. I hope...

I've been addicted to benzo's. I wouldn't advice not doing them. Just be careful with them and not take them every day. Just when really needed, or take more than a therapeutic dose for recreation.

I used to advice against heroin,(base)coke and amfetamines. Now I am searching for good dex, basecoke and I want to try H again. Last and first time it made me itchy and had to take a dump. Nothing more. Some called it luck.. I dunno. Cocaine made me nauseous. I like the taste of basecoke and the sound how it burns. Never had that "flash" though. Which might also be good. Both H and C are way too expensive. And I don't think taking meth is a very good idea either.

There are more drugs I would advice people of trying at least once or twice though :)
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: ianfleming on November 01, 2012, 06:18 am
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No it doesn't.  It says coffee...vodka...drugs.  It is not about 2cb at all.  Where did you get that from?  This picture has been around for quite a while, since before the whole research chemical thing.  It is a 50's mom, showingh her going from tired..to caffeinated, to buzzed, then high.

Is some vendor using it to advertise a research drug?   That irritates me because they obviously don't understand where the picture comes from at all.

Google "Tea, coffee, vodka, drugs" and you will see the original and very popular meme that someone obviously altered and changed the meaning of.

ETA: Ok, that bothered me enough that I changed the text under my avatar to help guide those who think that that picture belongs to some vendor on SR.  It does not.  It is actually popular meme in women's message boards.

Sorry, all I had ever seen before was this

http://i.imgur.com/jo6cO.jpg     (clearnet)

A vendor was using it and I assumed that your avatar was the same.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: drugfather on November 03, 2012, 10:22 am
Personally I will never try any hallucinogens, because I have a history of severe depression and mania.  I do not want to play around with something that could end with me losing touch with reality and killing myself.  I don't think anyone who has mental health issues should mess with the stuff, at least that is what I was told by my cousin who refused to sell me acid when I was a teen.  I am so grateful that he stood his ground on that.

Honestly, I have sever depression as well but psychedelics saved my life.

It all depends on the state of mind. :p
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: DivineMomentsTruth on November 03, 2012, 12:13 pm
mdpv/apvp. Swore i'd never order mdpv, loved stims and that seemed like bad news. Order apvp without researching it, MISTAKE. Bought bathsalts daily for 3 months, fuck that shit.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: marcopolio on November 04, 2012, 09:15 am
I would never do heroin, crack or meth. I'm sure there is plenty of others but I would say these are the big three I would avoid. As for drugs I would advise others against I would probably say coke, it seemed very underwhelming and expensive, part of that is high expectations (scarface and any other movie) and probably low quality. Also having tried preban mephedrone which seemed to blow it out of the water in price, quality and addictiveness. I would also advise against mephedrone because of its addictive nature, i'm sure there are plenty of people who can handle it but i've never fiended for a drug before trying it and I feel I don't even have an addictive personality.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: waterstruck on November 04, 2012, 09:59 am
+1 Heroin, crack and meth and I am never injecting myself with anything
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Zulu on November 05, 2012, 03:31 am
crocodile....
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: beaner on November 05, 2012, 11:27 am
mdpv got 4 g of it did not even 1/10 of it and flushed it down the toilette bad shit. no euphoria just awake for hours and wanting more for some fucked up reason never never again.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: beaner on November 05, 2012, 11:33 am
oh yeah xanax or benzo's great for comedown but after a few weeks on it that's it. So hard to come off. coming of it now and it's hell.
Craving so bad and side effects so so bad.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Bob Arctor on November 05, 2012, 11:37 am
I still think that everyone's different, and important thing when it comes to drug use is to be smart and responsible (this works in life general too).
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: beaner on November 05, 2012, 11:45 am
I still think that everyone's different, and important thing when it comes to drug use is to be smart and responsible (this works in life general too).

agreed, now i know that i can't have any benzo's or it just leads down a dark road
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Pixelbrick on November 05, 2012, 01:14 pm
'lo all.

I'd advise people that like their dissociatives to avoid 4-meo-pcp like the plague.

Bought a gram several months ago & took it up to c. 100mg.

Low doses it has a kind of heady, almost sickly sweet high to it in place of ketamine euphoria and that lovely glow that can be achieved with mxe. Higher doses there was all kinds of nasty cev imagery & it felt like blocks of my visual field had stopped working while whatever part of my brain that was still doing it's job was going "cough...POISON!...cough" quietly in the background somewhere.

-edit: ended up binning slightly less than half the gram. 
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: alanko007 on November 05, 2012, 09:52 pm
Research chemicals in general. You cannot predict how will they affect you. There is (usually) no toxicity data available. You might be putting rat poison in your body. If I had to choose between methamphetamine and a research phenetylamine that would deliver the same effects, I would go for the meth. At least you know what to expect and what precautions to take. Now many of you mentioned hard drugs in general. I wouldn't say that. Hard drugs can (and will) show you the highest highs and the lowest lows. The lows are inevitable, sooner or later.

Another class of drugs I would advise everyone not to use are  various pharmaceuticals. Ironic how can something that is made to help do so much damage. Benzo withdrawal can be worse than heroin withdrawal and can take months. The same goes for SSRIs. Not to mention all the side effects.

Oh, I almost forgot. PCP, desomorphine (Krokodil) and scopolamine. No explanation necessary.

Whatever you choose to do, just try to take all the precautions you can, do a lot of research beforehand and so on.

Oh and a golden rule: Moderation. Is. The. Key.  8)
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: kitkat82 on November 06, 2012, 11:56 pm
I also saw a trip report on erowid for a black widow spider bite. If that is considered a "drug" then I certainly will not be trying it.

WTF.  Stupid kids on Erowid.  I hope it was an accidental bite.  Kids are getting dumber and dumber.  Thank you facebook and twitter.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: quinone on November 07, 2012, 02:17 am
crocodile....

+1 ! (it's spelled Krokodil though).  The drug itself is called Desomorphine, but it's danger/disgusting ... ness is how easy it is to synth from codeine, but this easy synth produces a number of nasty nasty byproducts.  Add to that these smart user's figure hey let's slam some eyedrops (Tropicamie) with it to potentiate it's effects.  Russians know how to do it ... wrong.

I'd also not try Meth, Coke/Crack (maybe if it were 1/10th it's cost i'd consider it), Scopalamine and MDPV
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: oldskooliquid on November 07, 2012, 05:05 am
Anything that involves a needle, lost friends to that.  Personally, I've tried and don't recommend meth, highly addictive and makes your body feel thrashed and look bad very quickly.  It's just a sickly substance.  Also personally, didn't care for 'robotripping' on dxm.  Just zonks me out, don't have control over myself, and overall yuck feeling. 
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: zebra420kitty on November 07, 2012, 06:43 am
I have a few things.

1. STREET-MDMA, that isnt from the silk road. or the exact quality of the stuff here. When i was an inexperienced i bought some what i thought was mdma. I looked at it and i basically thought the shit was gonna be amazing. It was shardy and at that time i expected it to be some good stuff. Boy was i wrong. Ended up eating 2 caps that could fit .3 powdered mdma. But they were full of all meth, maybe a tiny bit of mdma. Enjoyed it until i started to come down. I had the worst thoughts  in my head. I was up for about 50 +/- hours. For the remainder of a week i was extremely depressed. I wanted to kill myself, and all i did for was a week was bars. The bars helped me forget. But i dont regularly do bars. On the bright side the first time i actually did mdma it was some of SKYY's mdma and i rolled absolute face. It was at kaskade and was amazing.

2. Heroin. I have a good friend that does not seem like a addict. But in reality, he is. It is the most sad thing, because when he first started to do it he told me, I was extremely upset. He told me he wasnt gonna make a habbit. Guess what? he did. He is not addicted to it and gets withdrawls. The hardest part is that he lives in a different state then me and i cant be there to help him. I would do so much to help him, but im utterly useless. Long story short if you mess with the bull, you will get the HORNS.

3. barbiturates. Although above i stated that i used xanax. But this was an extreme condition and i will never take it again. It has caused heartache in every user ever. i know for a fact that everyone that has taken xanax or other barb's. Just dangerous

Z420K
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: asdfsquared on November 07, 2012, 07:16 am
3. barbiturates. Although above i stated that i used xanax. But this was an extreme condition and i will never take it again. It has caused heartache in every user ever. i know for a fact that everyone that has taken xanax or other barb's. Just dangerous

xanax is a benzodiazepine, not a barbiturate. personally, I'm very anal and will always correct people on that stuff. don't mix it up. you could die.

also, could you explain how taking a benzodiazepine can cause 'heartache' in 'every user ever'? interesting, how they prescribe xanax for people who are anxious. I'm sure it's helped many a shy person find love that they might be otherwise too afraid to seek.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: quinone on November 07, 2012, 09:50 am
I've been patiently waiting to see Barbs on SR lol (and I know i'm not alone either !)
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: zebra420kitty on November 07, 2012, 10:33 am
I have a few things.

1. STREET-MDMA, that isnt from the silk road. or the exact quality of the stuff here. When i was an inexperienced i bought some what i thought was mdma. I looked at it and i basically thought the shit was gonna be amazing. It was shardy and at that time i expected it to be some good stuff. Boy was i wrong. Ended up eating 2 caps that could fit .3 powdered mdma. But they were full of all meth, maybe a tiny bit of mdma. Enjoyed it until i started to come down. I had the worst thoughts  in my head. I was up for about 50 +/- hours. For the remainder of a week i was extremely depressed. I wanted to kill myself, and all i did for was a week was bars. The bars helped me forget. But i dont regularly do bars. On the bright side the first time i actually did mdma it was some of SKYY's mdma and i rolled absolute face. It was at kaskade and was amazing.

2. Heroin. I have a good friend that does not seem like a addict. But in reality, he is. It is the most sad thing, because when he first started to do it he told me, I was extremely upset. He told me he wasnt gonna make a habbit. Guess what? he did. He is not addicted to it and gets withdrawls. The hardest part is that he lives in a different state then me and i cant be there to help him. I would do so much to help him, but im utterly useless. Long story short if you mess with the bull, you will get the HORNS.

3. Benzos****apologies. Although above i stated that i used xanax. But this was an extreme condition and i will never take it again. It has caused heartache in every user ever. i know for a fact that everyone that has taken xanax or other barb's. Just dangerous

Z420K
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: zebra420kitty on November 07, 2012, 10:42 am
3. barbiturates. Although above i stated that i used xanax. But this was an extreme condition and i will never take it again. It has caused heartache in every user ever. i know for a fact that everyone that has taken xanax or other barb's. Just dangerous

xanax is a benzodiazepine, not a barbiturate. personally, I'm very anal and will always correct people on that stuff. don't mix it up. you could die.

also, could you explain how taking a benzodiazepine can cause 'heartache' in 'every user ever'? interesting, how they prescribe xanax for people who are anxious. I'm sure it's helped many a shy person find love that they might be otherwise too afraid to seek.
I was speaking metaphorically. The heartache i speak of is all the problems people face with bars. I know people who were prescribed bars. They liked it. But when they tried to get off of it they had extreme withdrawls. It is one of the most abused drugs in the united states. I have watched a friend have a seizure because his body was freaking out that he didnt have his xanax. Maybe you have a good experience but ill tell you. if your prescribed you are gonna have a hell of a time getting off of it. Ive read that getting off a xanax addiction is harder then a heroin addiction.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: DaylightDreamer on November 07, 2012, 11:10 pm
I would advise most people not to take any highly addictive drugs, just because too many people have little to no self-control.

As for me, I don't think I'll ever try crack. I've only done four other stims (cocaine, meth, MDPV, and mephedrone), but just those are enough for me not to want
to try any others. I don't like 'em. I also think I'm through with taking any opioid that isn't heroin.

Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: gg on November 08, 2012, 01:03 am
I've always said that there are certain drugs that I would never try, but I've messed that up. Now I just don't take drugs that have a high potential for addiction. It's easier for me to steer clear of certain drugs now that I have a clear reason why I don't want to take them.

As of the moment I won't take meth, heroin, cocaine, opiates, amphetamines, or benzos. This is purely because I've had addiction problems in the past with cocaine and I know for a fact that I couldn't handle the addictive potential of those other drugs that I listed.

I also don't take research chemicals or dissociatives because the effects worry me.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: john29112 on November 11, 2012, 11:55 pm
herion, crack, crystal meth, benzos and bath salts
all rather addictive and not good for the body although i have had a benzo or 2 and suffered no ill effects but it was as a medicine not recrational

however i would not judge for doing those drugs but the best advice is definitely to research the drug make sure its from a trusted source and it is what they said it is - also look into how your body would react ie if you have any medical issues or anxiety issues some drugs may not be good for people with issues such as that :) 
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: carmello32 on November 12, 2012, 03:31 am
Dont try heroin esp if it is from TM... Anyways, it is good to try once, only snort no needles
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: drganja on November 12, 2012, 06:55 am
meth and heroin
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: onionologist on December 13, 2012, 01:33 am
If I don't know what it is, or a relative direction from whence it came...I do not partake.
I recently backed out of a mda order due to facts about ssri contradictions.

As far as "hard" drugs go, haven't seen many, probably never will. I'd try whatever was out there, as I said, knowing the source, and whatnot.

I am relatively comfortable in my skin, and well aware of my limits. I have binged for months on rx pain pills, and have enjoyed many a diazepam. Which is odd, because many people here seem to fear them. Not for me to judge.

Enjoy and be safe everyone...
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sniper123 on December 13, 2012, 02:19 am
mdpv/apvp. Swore i'd never order mdpv, loved stims and that seemed like bad news. Order apvp without researching it, MISTAKE. Bought bathsalts daily for 3 months, fuck that shit.
If you didn't like them, why you keep buying them? I need to find a PV vendor soon.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: monrovia on December 13, 2012, 02:35 am
I'm pretty sure Hunter S. Thompson said that the only drug he would never touch again was pcp. That combined with what I've heard/know about it is enough to keep me away. I'd like to say I would never do meth, but I think I would try it once. I really don't like stims, so I think I could walk away after I gave it one go.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: danewhite on December 13, 2012, 06:29 am
Scopolamine anyone ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ8PWYnu04&list=PL95511BB06DAC4FFE&index=14  -  (documentary)
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: monrovia on December 13, 2012, 06:55 am
Scopolamine anyone ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ8PWYnu04&list=PL95511BB06DAC4FFE&index=14  -  (documentary)

I forgot about that shit. I guess I was thinking very narrowly when I considered my answer. Vice docs are awesome, I love the "Guides to Travel." But yea, this probably is THE most fucked up drug I've ever heard of.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: slysamuel0109 on December 13, 2012, 07:56 am
Cannabis. Nowadays kids are lacing that stuff with just about anything. I just wouldn't risk it.

But seriously, I got stopped once and the cop tried to tell me my pot was laced with PCP.
What's this world coming to?
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: BarryShithead on December 13, 2012, 06:16 pm
Wouldn't do heroin. Not until I'm 80 years old. Just in case I get addicted.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Thestral1 on December 13, 2012, 09:49 pm
Personally, I would never use inhalants to get high (huffing paint thinner, dust remover, etc.).

My advice to others would be to stay as far away from opiates as possible (unless absolutely needed for medical reasons, obviously). I started off partying with pain pills at a young age, and to make a long story short graduated to heroin. From there it was only a matter of time before I was injecting. It wasted years of my life, bankrupted me in every way possible, cost me countless jobs and good relationships (including my fiance), and basically ruined every facet of my life. Some people can party socially with it no problem, but not me. My body likes it a little too much.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: acidsoldier on December 14, 2012, 12:54 am
I wouldn't do ever heroin, crack, crystal meth... For me it's too fucked up... I am scary when I'm thinking about these drugs... Only psychodelics and weed  ! :) Much love bros !
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Multimineral on December 14, 2012, 05:34 am
OP here.  I have since tried meth.  Not bad, despite not being able to sleep.  My fear was unreasonable.  It can be used responsibly.

I will try heroin.  Crack remains on my no list.  PCP as well of course, shouldn't have to mention that.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sniper123 on December 14, 2012, 11:59 pm
OP here.  I have since tried meth.  Not bad, despite not being able to sleep.  My fear was unreasonable.  It can be used responsibly.

I will try heroin.  Crack remains on my no list.  PCP as well of course, shouldn't have to mention that.
karma +1
Nice laugh.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: cyberscour on December 17, 2012, 06:51 am
Methamphetimeine, cocaine/crack, heroin, BZP, marijuana, valium, oxycontin, valium, xanex, and pretty much everything that's smoked, snorted, or injected.

I will never inject, smoke, or snort anything because I believe that doing that should be illegal. I mean eating is a natural human action, we were supposed to do it, and I don't see anything wrong with taking a pill or putting a peice of paper in my mouth for the most part. Smoking, snorting, and injecting things just doesn't feel right. Your inhaling foreign material when you're only supposed to inhale oxygen. Same goes for snorting and injecting, it just doesn't feel right. Don't call me a preacher but typically, injecting, smoking, and snorting drugs is more addictive than taking them another way. Lastly, the pills I listed are very addictive, and I would like to keep my use recreational and to have a good time every once in a while.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: mikeben on December 17, 2012, 08:36 am
Hmm I only like weed or things like acid or shrooms. The rest scares me. I took party pills and some weird herbal incense both of which made me sick. I don't do those anymore nor did I do bath salts more than a few times and won't again.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: jnemonic on December 17, 2012, 09:23 am
Whilst being quite fit, worked out 5 days a week, etc, and only occasionally smoking weed, i tried ice for the first time a few years ago and i hated it.
My bones felt like chalk and i couldnt hit the gym for nearly 2 weeks. After years of taking great pills, cocaine, lsd and shrooms, i didnt see the big deal.
Burning a chemical and smoking it is so bad for your insides. Anyway, after trying that i would advise others not to do it.
When drugs like ice/ket/ghb etc all popped up i couldnt believe it.

In the end, each to their own. I just prefer happy drugs. ;)
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: HOUSE on December 17, 2012, 04:00 pm
OP here.  I have since tried meth.  Not bad, despite not being able to sleep.  My fear was unreasonable.  It can be used responsibly.

I will try heroin.  Crack remains on my no list.  PCP as well of course, shouldn't have to mention that.

I'm afraid your fear is not at all unreasonable. Meth is something which cannot be used responsibly.

You can say that something can be used responsibly only in retrospect (ie after you have a few years experience with the drug). Then, if you've used it responsibly for years, you can claim that it can be done. But you cannot do a drug once and say "oh haha, such an idiot I was thinking that this is anything but easy".

Trust me, drugs like heroin and meth will "grow on you" so to speak. And meth is arguably more addictive than heroin.

There are three possible options with first time use of meth:
a) you can use once, not like it, and never do it again in your life - consider yourself lucky
b) you can use once, not like it that much, and keep doing it occasionally (because "my fears were unfounded") while addiction creeps up on you
c) you can use once, like it, and you're basically fucked.

Meth addiction is like nothing else. It's not worth it. PM me if you would like more info.

imo, no one should try drugs like meth and heroin for the first time. "Not even once" should be the mantra. It's playing with fire and you will get burned. Note that this is a 'do as I say not as I do' kind of deal... I'm not trying to be holier than thou. But I've seen it happen time and time again. No one has 'addict' stamped on their foot when they are born, and not one junkie aspired to become one. Keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: HOUSE on December 17, 2012, 04:09 pm
I will never inject, smoke, or snort anything because I believe that doing that should be illegal....
....Smoking, snorting, and injecting things just doesn't feel right.

Make sure you inform your local ICU, just in case you ever need anything administered intravenously (such as a blood transfusion or anti-venom). Ask them for the blood pill instead.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: quinone on December 17, 2012, 04:12 pm
OP here.  I have since tried meth.  Not bad, despite not being able to sleep.  My fear was unreasonable.  It can be used responsibly.

I will try heroin.  Crack remains on my no list.  PCP as well of course, shouldn't have to mention that.

I'm afraid your fear is not at all unreasonable. Meth is something which cannot be used responsibly.

You can say that something can be used responsibly only in retrospect (ie after you have a few years experience with the drug). Then, if you've used it responsibly for years, you can claim that it can be done. But you cannot do a drug once and say "oh haha, such an idiot I was thinking that this is anything but easy".

Trust me, drugs like heroin and meth will "grow on you" so to speak. And meth is arguably more addictive than heroin.

There are three possible options with first time use of meth:
a) you can use once, not like it, and never do it again in your life - consider yourself lucky
b) you can use once, not like it that much, and keep doing it occasionally (because "my fears were unfounded") while addiction creeps up on you
c) you can use once, like it, and you're basically fucked.

Meth addiction is like nothing else. It's not worth it. PM me if you would like more info.

imo, no one should try drugs like meth and heroin for the first time. "Not even once" should be the mantra. It's playing with fire and you will get burned. Note that this is a 'do as I say not as I do' kind of deal... I'm not trying to be holier than thou. But I've seen it happen time and time again. No one has 'addict' stamped on their foot when they are born, and not one junkie aspired to become one. Keep that in mind.

Crazily meth is actually sold as a 'responsible' pharmaceutical product.  It's called Desoxyn, and I believe it was and still used to treat ADHD in children. 

Pretty fucked up that you can buy meth in a bottle and feed it to children no less aint it?  (granted it's not smoked, it's ingested orally so it's bioavailability and effects are different then recreationally used meth).
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: HOUSE on December 17, 2012, 04:23 pm
That's true, but there's a difference in both the aim behind the use as well as the dosage/ROA. In one instance, you're using low doses orally to treat an actual condition (eg ADHD). In the other case, you're using large quantities just for fun (recreationally).
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: quinone on December 17, 2012, 06:16 pm
That's true, but there's a difference in both the aim behind the use as well as the dosage/ROA. In one instance, you're using low doses orally to treat an actual condition (eg ADHD). In the other case, you're using large quantities just for fun (recreationally).

Yep, i'm not arguing with you at all, totally agree (and you actually rewrote what I said lol, I just used the word bioavailability).  We're on the same page, except to say that I don't think Desoxyn should be prescribed or legal at all !

Oh and to add to the one or two drugs I said i'd never try earlier in this thread I also wouldn't do inhalent's or any drug that leads to hypoxia (like watching people incorrectly do a whippet).  I LOVE whippets, never stop using those, but you don't just keep blowing up the baloon, inhaling, blowwing up, inhaling, etc.  You hold it in your lungs until you feel a strong urge to breathe.  The rapid inhale/exhale thing is retarted to watch, it doesn't make you any higher, it might do some hypoxia (cut oxygen to the brain), but I ... don't want that, the whippet itself is great enough for me :D).

Speaking of which, I need to go pay amazon a visit and restock on em, damn those N2O canister's go quickly lol, esp. when there are other people around heh.  And i'm a messy person so their always all over my floow haha.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: thedopestjunkie on December 17, 2012, 06:37 pm
Ive been a steady drug user for 15 years. Here's my list of donts:
DXM: While the high is fun, and it goes well with weed, this drug caused some problems for me in the future after using it every weekend for about a year.
Crack/Cocaine: I still enjoy snorting coke but I wouldnt suggest smoking it, felt like a huge waste to me, the high was not fun.
Heroin: Dont want to step on toes here but thought this one wasnt worth it either but I have never injected it only snorted it, have seen what it does to friends though and I dont recommend it.
And last but not least: Research chemicals: I would stay far away from these, and I do, I dont want to be a guinea pig. I made the mistake once of trying a research chemical when I was a teen, a friend said it was a derivative of dxm, not sure that it was but I took some and had the worst night of my life. Heavy hallucinations, not able to move through most of it, no balance when I was finally able to move, effects lasted for about two days.
I love this community and I hope that everyone is taking all precautions with drug use and being as safe as possible, thanks for letting me share!
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: Multimineral on December 17, 2012, 11:57 pm
OP here.  I have since tried meth.  Not bad, despite not being able to sleep.  My fear was unreasonable.  It can be used responsibly.

I will try heroin.  Crack remains on my no list.  PCP as well of course, shouldn't have to mention that.

I'm afraid your fear is not at all unreasonable. Meth is something which cannot be used responsibly.

You can say that something can be used responsibly only in retrospect (ie after you have a few years experience with the drug). Then, if you've used it responsibly for years, you can claim that it can be done. But you cannot do a drug once and say "oh haha, such an idiot I was thinking that this is anything but easy".

Trust me, drugs like heroin and meth will "grow on you" so to speak. And meth is arguably more addictive than heroin.

There are three possible options with first time use of meth:
a) you can use once, not like it, and never do it again in your life - consider yourself lucky
b) you can use once, not like it that much, and keep doing it occasionally (because "my fears were unfounded") while addiction creeps up on you
c) you can use once, like it, and you're basically fucked.

Meth addiction is like nothing else. It's not worth it. PM me if you would like more info.

imo, no one should try drugs like meth and heroin for the first time. "Not even once" should be the mantra. It's playing with fire and you will get burned. Note that this is a 'do as I say not as I do' kind of deal... I'm not trying to be holier than thou. But I've seen it happen time and time again. No one has 'addict' stamped on their foot when they are born, and not one junkie aspired to become one. Keep that in mind.

I'm no advocate for the use of meth, but you are wrong.  Meth has a high potential for addiction but it's not as much of a slippery slope as you're saying.  It is possible to use once, like it, and not be addicted.  I ingested a carefully weighed dose, so my experience may not have been as intense as most other recreational users, but I was able to enjoy the experience without craving it again.  Perhaps because I went into the experience with the intention of only trying it once and then moving onto other things (I have a lot to cover on my drug bucket list.)

Although, I will agree that the best policy with meth is to never try it.  I just couldn't help my curiosity.
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: inyala on December 18, 2012, 08:54 pm
Quite honestly I'd like to try most things apart from RC's, meth, crack and heroin.

Reading in the newspaper tonight there are 50 000 heroin users in Scotland who use H at least 261 days of the year - scary! Wonder what it's like in other parts of the world?
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sniper123 on December 19, 2012, 02:20 am
Why are there so many people against rc's?
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: quinone on December 19, 2012, 03:19 am
Why are there so many people against rc's?

They don't understand basic chemistry (eg. that PEA RC's are very structurally similar to MDMA, a drug most people have no problem taking), and adhere to sensationalistic media like they've been trained to do (in the Western world).

It's ironic, these people fear that RC's are more neurotoxic, yet these people are already retarded :)
Title: Re: Is there a drug you would never try? Or advise others not to try after doing?
Post by: sniper123 on December 19, 2012, 09:10 am
Why are there so many people against rc's?

They don't understand basic chemistry (eg. that PEA RC's are very structurally similar to MDMA, a drug most people have no problem taking), and adhere to sensationalistic media like they've been trained to do (in the Western world).

It's ironic, these people fear that RC's are more neurotoxic, yet these people are already retarded :)

Lol karma +1. Thanks for the laugh. :)