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Title: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: vHof on March 14, 2012, 09:53 pm
I've only done MDMA once and that's the only drug I've done (except alcohol), was wondering what people's opinions would be on this being a good idea or not?

Also, dosage? I have 2 capsules of 2c-b said to be 16-18mg which I bought form generalm3sS. I was guessing just one of those would be okay.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: foxymeow on March 14, 2012, 09:58 pm
2c-b is pretty mellow and isn't really too much of a hard trip. You can just sit around and watch movies and shit. However, there is quite a bit of residual stimulation so don't take it late at night.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: 12guhdfg3 on March 15, 2012, 03:04 am
I'd agree with foxy here. Try to take one during the day as opposed to later at night unless you have no other time or the next day off. In regards to the substance, a normal dose of 2c-b should be a nice welcoming to the psychedelic world, without too much of the body load or hard visuals and mindfucks that can be associated with other psychs. Just make sure your mindset and setting are fine and you should have a good 4-8 hours.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: PoisonedDestiny on March 15, 2012, 07:57 am
i've taken 2C-B only once, after a night of rolling.  it was by far the easiest, simplest, most colorful psychedelic i have ever done.  there is definately stimulation there...  alot like MDMA but a bit more speedy.  but the duration is short and sweet and the mental state is pushed towards the positive, with a familiar MDMA-like euphoria accenting the experience.
music is your friend with 2C-B!!!!  it will make the experience.  :)
i took around 15-20 mg. 
i plan on introducing my partner to the world of psychedelics with either 2C-B, 2C-I, or ketamine.  psychedelics for control freaks.

*destiny*
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: zubic09 on March 15, 2012, 10:34 am
personally I'd say acid as a first trip but if 2C-B is all you have I'd say go for it 8)
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: Appa on March 15, 2012, 08:55 pm
I agree with the others, 2c-b should be a good introduction to psychedelia.  Be somewhere comfortable and safe, put on chill music or movies or whatever you love, and have a great trip.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: thesilence981 on March 15, 2012, 11:46 pm
10mg of 2cb i got on here gets me goin really well

15mg would have me tripping harrd..

watch your dose, 18-20 is reccomended, that would have me floored for a good while, im not small either
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: tordemon on March 16, 2012, 12:17 am
21mg of 2cb was pretty underwhelming for me, but I'm rather experienced with the psychs. I recently introduced a friend to psychs with it. It's very easy to deal with, and it's also luckily very short-lasting. I was sober in less then 4 hours. I don't think it entirely captures the psychedelic experience, but it's a good way to ease into it.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: krut on March 16, 2012, 12:41 am
10mg of 2cb i got on here gets me goin really well

15mg would have me tripping harrd..

watch your dose, 18-20 is reccomended, that would have me floored for a good while, im not small either

Orally or nasally?
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: tordemon on March 16, 2012, 09:38 pm
10mg of 2cb i got on here gets me goin really well

15mg would have me tripping harrd..

watch your dose, 18-20 is reccomended, that would have me floored for a good while, im not small either

Orally or nasally?
Orally. Fuck intranasal administration of the 2Cs. It's incredibly painful and it's very easy to get an incredibly overwhelming experience.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: foxymeow on March 17, 2012, 01:30 am
personally I'd say acid as a first trip but if 2C-B is all you have I'd say go for it 8)

LSD for a first timer isn't exactly the best. If they don't have any idea of what a psychedelic experience is it will be hard for them.

2c-b is definitely one of the absolute best for introducing people to psychedelics. It has a bit of the psychedelic experience without too much overwhelming introspection. You do need something to do since it isn't a very introverted drug. You need to be either hanging out with a good friend (and by that I mean watching movies and fucking) or going out to a club.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: towelie on March 17, 2012, 02:54 am
I disagree.  I think LSD is fine for a first timer.  If the dose is moderate enough and you have someone experienced around to guide you should you get lost then you will be fine.  If you don't get lost and end up having a wonderful trip

We need to remember the fact that prior to the RC scene it was, at least for me, just acid, shrooms, and maybe a little E if I was very lucky. Oh, and lots o weed.

I believe that if someone wants to really ease into the psychedelic exp then 2c-c would be the way to go.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: zubic09 on March 17, 2012, 07:21 am
We need to remember the fact that prior to the RC scene it was, at least for me, just acid, shrooms, and maybe a little E if I was very lucky. Oh, and lots o weed.

This. Call me traditional haha
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: poolsclosed on March 18, 2012, 08:22 pm
I am of the opinion that there is no correct "first time" drug. You take psychedelics to learn something. There aren't really "tiers" of psychedelics, just different effects. You might want to consider what you want out of a trip, then take a drug that will help you get that.

For me, 2C-B is a drug that is only to be done with a lover. I do not find it to be enjoyable as a party drug when I am not hooking up. It is wonderful, filled with intense physical pleasure, but the urge to make love was so overwhelming that when I failed to pick up a girl, I went home feeling INCREDIBLY lonely. 2C-B made me get more in touch with my body and more aware of my hedonism, which I now wish to shed. It also made personal conversation (not small talk) more enthralling. It wasn't trippy, but it was profound. It would have been amazing to do with a girlfriend, because of the potential for intense lovemaking and emotional connection, a potential greater than that of MDMA (at least for me). However, at a party, it simply made me look like a coked out weirdo making O faces.

On the other hand, 2C-E made me appreciate nature more, and value western construction less, as well as realize that scary situations are just as much of a life experience as anything else, and that there's no reason to be afraid - this was my first trip, besides a mistake made with salvia, and it prepared me for every trip since. 2C-E was "trippier" but it was still relatively tame. It was more introspective than visual, but it was still a relatively euphoric trip. Compared to 2C-B which might be good for bonding, 2C-E is better for pondering.

Those are just two examples of things you can get out of a trip. I really can't say that there's a wrong "first time" drug, except for maybe salvia divinorum which is a very atypical psychedelic and dissociative that doesn't provide the euphoria most psychedelics do, and can be entirely terrifying. Salvia prevented me from trying other psychedelics for a long time, which stunted the quality of my life.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: foxymeow on March 19, 2012, 03:58 am
I am of the opinion that there is no correct "first time" drug. You take psychedelics to learn something. There aren't really "tiers" of psychedelics, just different effects. You might want to consider what you want out of a trip, then take a drug that will help you get that.

For me, 2C-B is a drug that is only to be done with a lover. I do not find it to be enjoyable as a party drug when I am not hooking up. It is wonderful, filled with intense physical pleasure, but the urge to make love was so overwhelming that when I failed to pick up a girl, I went home feeling INCREDIBLY lonely. 2C-B made me get more in touch with my body and more aware of my hedonism, which I now wish to shed. It also made personal conversation (not small talk) more enthralling. It wasn't trippy, but it was profound. It would have been amazing to do with a girlfriend, because of the potential for intense lovemaking and emotional connection, a potential greater than that of MDMA (at least for me). However, at a party, it simply made me look like a coked out weirdo making O faces.

On the other hand, 2C-E made me appreciate nature more, and value western construction less, as well as realize that scary situations are just as much of a life experience as anything else, and that there's no reason to be afraid - this was my first trip, besides a mistake made with salvia, and it prepared me for every trip since. 2C-E was "trippier" but it was still relatively tame. It was more introspective than visual, but it was still a relatively euphoric trip. Compared to 2C-B which might be good for bonding, 2C-E is better for pondering.

Those are just two examples of things you can get out of a trip. I really can't say that there's a wrong "first time" drug, except for maybe salvia divinorum which is a very atypical psychedelic and dissociative that doesn't provide the euphoria most psychedelics do, and can be entirely terrifying. Salvia prevented me from trying other psychedelics for a long time, which stunted the quality of my life.

2c-b is a party drug but not in the sense that it is usually said. You need to be around people to enjoy it and it makes listening to great music even better. It isn't really going to create love out of no where like MDMA will though.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: Dr.HellNo on March 19, 2012, 04:36 am
how about good old ganga? if you're just getting started  there is plenty of time, and plenty of stuff  to explore.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: l1llykins on March 19, 2012, 05:08 am
I think this drug just doesn't like me.

At 5mg, music annoyed me and I was too distracted to watch a movie. The most entertaining thing to me was a map, looked like a swirly kaleidoscope and I stared at it for a few hours. 

CEV's were a little more interesting and I think at some point I fell asleep and had a very vivid dream. But they ended up scaring me for whatever reason (don't remember what was so scary at the time).
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: RogerTheAlien on March 19, 2012, 04:17 pm
2c-b is pretty mellow and isn't really too much of a hard trip. You can just sit around and watch movies and shit. However, there is quite a bit of residual stimulation so don't take it late at night.

I'm sorry but 2c-b can be fucking intense and overwhelming.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: ianfleming on March 20, 2012, 05:08 pm
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i plan on introducing my partner to the world of psychedelics with either 2C-B, 2C-I, or ketamine.
Excuse me but Ketamine isn't a psychedelic.

As far as a first time, my first time was with 2c-i and I loved it, 100% percent. I've done it multiple time since. Recently, I've squired some 2c-e and 2c-p, but I haven't used either of those yet.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: foxymeow on March 21, 2012, 05:23 am
2c-b is pretty mellow and isn't really too much of a hard trip. You can just sit around and watch movies and shit. However, there is quite a bit of residual stimulation so don't take it late at night.

I'm sorry but 2c-b can be fucking intense and overwhelming.

Are you sure? 2c-b has never been overwhelming for anyone I have given it to. The same thing can't said of 2c-i :D (PUKE PUKE PUKE)
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: unknown79 on March 21, 2012, 05:50 pm
2c-b is pretty mellow and isn't really too much of a hard trip. You can just sit around and watch movies and shit. However, there is quite a bit of residual stimulation so don't take it late at night.

I'm sorry but 2c-b can be fucking intense and overwhelming.

Are you sure? 2c-b has never been overwhelming for anyone I have given it to. The same thing can't said of 2c-i :D (PUKE PUKE PUKE)

Very easy trip for me too, I've done it twice at about 23mg each time. Completely different to Tony's LSD, where I did 1.5 tabs and was having trouble seeing for a little while because there were so many intense colors overwhelming my vision. 2C-B was never that intense for me, however I haven't moved up to higher doses yet.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: l1llykins on March 21, 2012, 09:14 pm
It wasn't a high dose, it was 5mg. It just doesn't like me, read about possible affects from erowid and basically experienced all the neutral and some of the negative ones. As to whether or not it was really 2c-b, got it from THEREALUSdirect and he has a solid reputation.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: poolsclosed on March 25, 2012, 02:10 am
It wasn't a high dose, it was 5mg. It just doesn't like me, read about possible affects from erowid and basically experienced all the neutral and some of the negative ones. As to whether or not it was really 2c-b, got it from THEREALUSdirect and he has a solid reputation.
If 5mg did all that to you there's just something unique about you... I got the dream thing though. Your set and setting ought to be improved, though - 2C-B has to be done with loved ones, imo.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: l1llykins on March 25, 2012, 06:47 am
It wasn't a high dose, it was 5mg. It just doesn't like me, read about possible affects from erowid and basically experienced all the neutral and some of the negative ones. As to whether or not it was really 2c-b, got it from THEREALUSdirect and he has a solid reputation.
If 5mg did all that to you there's just something unique about you... I got the dream thing though. Your set and setting ought to be improved, though - 2C-B has to be done with loved ones, imo.

Apparently I'm super sensitive which would make me a cheap date if only they were good experiences, lol. And I was with my husband. He just didn't know what to do with me, I kept dozing off or starting at the wall.

I envy you guys who have great experiences on this one! I had high hopes.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: poolsclosed on March 25, 2012, 04:25 pm
Apparently I'm super sensitive which would make me a cheap date if only they were good experiences, lol. And I was with my husband. He just didn't know what to do with me, I kept dozing off or starting at the wall.

I envy you guys who have great experiences on this one! I had high hopes.
Was he also taking part in the 2C-B?
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: mcgrizzle on March 25, 2012, 11:52 pm
i would go with shrooms for the first time experience. my only experience with 2c-b has been with insufflation and it was waaaaaaaaay too intense but still somehow pleasurable. My room mate swallowed the 2c-b and it took a few hours to kick in and didn't really hit him until we went to a concert and the music started playing and even then it only lasted for about a half hour to 45 minutes
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: krut on March 26, 2012, 12:26 am
i would go with shrooms for the first time experience. my only experience with 2c-b has been with insufflation and it was waaaaaaaaay too intense but still somehow pleasurable. My room mate swallowed the 2c-b and it took a few hours to kick in and didn't really hit him until we went to a concert and the music started playing and even then it only lasted for about a half hour to 45 minutes

That sounds really weird, for me the effect has always lasted for at least 4 hours.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: foxymeow on March 30, 2012, 06:10 am
i would go with shrooms for the first time experience. my only experience with 2c-b has been with insufflation and it was waaaaaaaaay too intense but still somehow pleasurable. My room mate swallowed the 2c-b and it took a few hours to kick in and didn't really hit him until we went to a concert and the music started playing and even then it only lasted for about a half hour to 45 minutes

That doesn't sound at all like 2c-b. Are you 100% it was 2c-b? 2c-b is always something that kicks in within 30 minutes and lasts a good 3 hours before you are sober.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: l1llykins on April 09, 2012, 05:37 pm
Oh wow, if 2c-b doesn't work out for you, try 2c-i. I found it to be more like mdma and in a lot of ways better. I had this amazing body high that actually enhanced sex (mdma gives you this skin high but it gets distracting and your erotic regions feel muted in comparison). Rolls felt like I was having a full body orgasm with every movement.

I found a few other people where the common affects of 2c-i and 2c-b were reversed. I found 2c-b to be really visual and had no body high at all. But it's more common to experience it the other way around (guess I'm just really special).
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: bionic1 on April 09, 2012, 10:18 pm
I consider 2C-B as a good first psychedelic, as it doesn't go too deep but gives some kind of a good preview of how it feels to be on a psychedelic. Another reason is, that after the comedown it's almost like you haven't taken anything, even if it was a bad trip or overdose (compared to how fucked up one would be after a bad acid trip).
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: Tittytwister on April 16, 2012, 07:01 pm
Many thanks to everybody for all the useful info in this thread! :D
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: cerealbox on April 16, 2012, 09:31 pm
As someone who just tried 2c-b for the first time two days ago, I gotta say, it's not a good introductory psychedelic because it's just not terribly psychedelic. Don't buy it if what you're looking for is visuals and interesting changes in thought. and consciousness.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: Peter Pan on April 16, 2012, 10:00 pm
Hi there

While reading all the previous post I did see some major differences in experience with 2cb. Which is however very common. Some people may find it a very mellow and controllable psychedelic, while others see it as a very potent and strong one. My opinion is that is CAN be very potent and overwhelming. It largely depends on the doses AND you setting in which you take it. I find that when I take a psychedelic (whether it is 2cb or lsd or shrooms) the setting has a very large influence on my trip. When I take a psychedelic in a very calming, quit and relaxing environment I get a very deep, psychic and overwhelming "loosing myself"-feeling. The times I used 2cb it had always shown me some deep thoughts and feelings of myself. It once even demolished my whole being into nothing more than some electrons in a very complex but very wonderful universe. Music was intense and made specially for my feelings at the moment. It was part of the complex cosmos of which I was a small floating electron. (this was with a doses of 20mg!)

Be aware that 2cb can definitely be a overwhelming power. But also keep remembering that you can influence the trip a lot. Make the setting as comfortable as possible for the first time. Do it at home with people you know well and love. Also prepare some relax music with lots of layers in it. (shpongle or Shulman for example) And put on some nice lamps (not to bright as 2cb gets very trippy in terms of visuals on higher doses 15mg - 25mg))

a good starter doses is around 12mg (you will notice some small visuals and you will feel a slight body load and euphoric feeling but the whole trip is still very controllable). A very strong doses lies around 15mg to 25mg. A strong doses means strong visuals (open AND closed eyed) and it can get very overwhelming for a beginning psychedelic user as you can easily loose control of your thoughts.
As you can see that a mild doses and a strong doses lie very close to each other. So you have to weight the 2cb very carefully! Use a sensitive scale to measure it!

I hope my advise is somewhat useful. I would say 2cb is as "good" as any other psychedelic to begin with if you be aware that it can be overwhelming. And its good to start with the starter doses of around 12mg for the first time. Its better to "explore" a new drug step by step that to rush in with a high doses. You have plenty of time to do it a second time with a higher doses a few weeks/months later. And don't believe people who say some particular drug is always mellow and controllable as this can't be true for every one. Everyone reacts different on drugs and therefor know that every trip can get overwhelming. If you keep this in mind and it should happen to you than you are less likely to feel surprised and overwhelmed by the feeling as you already knew this could happen.


Above all I wish you a very good trip! Enjoy as it can be very interesting and empowering!

x
Peter

Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: wowzers on April 16, 2012, 10:01 pm
If you're looking for clear headed visuals, I reckon 2C-C is the perfect introductory psychedelic. Wish I'd discovered it sooner, 40-50mg is a good starter dose. No headfucks and absolutely no negative effects. I love it  ;D
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: Appa on April 16, 2012, 10:14 pm
If you're looking for clear headed visuals, I reckon 2C-C is the perfect introductory psychedelic. Wish I'd discovered it sooner, 40-50mg is a good starter dose. No headfucks and absolutely no negative effects. I love it  ;D

Interesting, I will definitely have to look into this one.  All of my experiences that were visual in any way (including 2C-E & 2C-I) included quite a bit of mental fuckery.  This isn't bad for me, as I enjoy a good introspective trip.  However, I have friends who would love to experience visuals, but are psychedelic-naive and find the mental possibilities frightening.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: Tittytwister on April 16, 2012, 10:36 pm
If you're looking for clear headed visuals, I reckon 2C-C is the perfect introductory psychedelic. Wish I'd discovered it sooner, 40-50mg is a good starter dose. No headfucks and absolutely no negative effects. I love it  ;D

Interesting, I will definitely have to look into this one.  All of my experiences that were visual in any way (including 2C-E & 2C-I) included quite a bit of mental fuckery.  This isn't bad for me, as I enjoy a good introspective trip.  However, I have friends who would love to experience visuals, but are psychedelic-naive and find the mental possibilities frightening.

i believe i have to try the whole range.  :o
anyone offering a 2c-x holiday package at SR?  ::)
have to check erowid how many of them are available, or shulgins bible...
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: Sahara on April 16, 2012, 11:54 pm
I've only done MDMA once and that's the only drug I've done (except alcohol), was wondering what people's opinions would be on this being a good idea or not?

Also, dosage? I have 2 capsules of 2c-b said to be 16-18mg which I bought form generalm3sS. I was guessing just one of those would be okay.

I realise that this might be too late, but Drs Alexander and Ann Shulgin's book: "PiHKAL", short for "Phenethylamines I Have Known and Loved" will tell you everything you want to know. The phenethylamine 2C-B falls into his so-called "magical half-dozen".

This is a book written by a chemist who made these compounds and experimented with them with him and his friends. I forget the name of one of them - it might have been DOB-something - but everyone thought the recipient has gone into a coma. When he woke he talked about being on a paradise beach with the sun above him, the sand below him and the waves splashing against his feet. Some of the phenethylamines are, literally, mind-blowing stiff.

NOTE: L.S.D. is not a phenethylamine! Mescaline and MDMA are phenethylamines. Phenethylamine are not simply psychedelics but psychedelic-empathogen-entactogens.

The book is a chart of self-experimentation by a well-known bio-chemist.  It is a research document. It includes synthesis, dosage, effects, everything!
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: DiipaDaapa on April 17, 2012, 12:41 am
I wouldn't really recommend 2C-B for one's first psychedelic. I get slight bodily discomfort and mild nausea at normal doses. At higher doses I suffer from strong nausea, acid reflux, coughing and profound sweating. Also the difference between a dose which barely gives you any psychedelic effects and a dose which is totally overpowering is tiny. I also get a slight MDMA-like comedown from 2C-B and it seems to mess up my sleep rhythm even though I take it pretty early in the day.

All that said 2C-B is probably my 2nd favorite drug at the moment; it's just not perfect in my opinion.

What I would recommend is LSD and for pretty obvious reasons.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: Jimmy245 on April 17, 2012, 12:55 am
I've only done MDMA once and that's the only drug I've done (except alcohol), was wondering what people's opinions would be on this being a good idea or not?

Also, dosage? I have 2 capsules of 2c-b said to be 16-18mg which I bought form generalm3sS. I was guessing just one of those would be okay.

2C-B is an excellent choice for a first psychedelic experience, and 16-18 mg is a great oral dose.  Expect the experience to last 5 to 7 hours, after which time you will be completely baseline with no hangover at all.  At least that's how it is for me.  2C-B is one of god's gifts to the world.  Oh, no, wait... I meant it's one of Sasha's gift to the world.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: l1llykins on April 17, 2012, 12:58 am
For those of you who experience a lot of nausea, try pre-loading with one of those over-the-counter motion sickness tabs 2 hours prior ... it helps A LOT.

I prefer 2c-i though I seem to experience it the way everyone else experiences 2c-b (orgasmic body highs, little to no visuals, happy euphoria, etc.).
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: Jimmy245 on April 17, 2012, 01:01 am
If you're looking for clear headed visuals, I reckon 2C-C is the perfect introductory psychedelic. Wish I'd discovered it sooner, 40-50mg is a good starter dose. No headfucks and absolutely no negative effects. I love it  ;D

Wowzers, I find that 2C-C is extremely tactile.   I took it once without my wife around and I was fucked because I had no one to rub up on!  For me, the tactile part is there with 2C-B but it's not overpowering like 2C-C.  So I think 2C-B is a better all around psychedelic, while 2C-C is best for more intimate sensual/sexual experiences.  Agree or is it just me who finds this?

BTW, I love 2C-C.  It's one of my absolute favorites.  Not to be missed.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: l1llykins on April 17, 2012, 01:03 am
If you're looking for clear headed visuals, I reckon 2C-C is the perfect introductory psychedelic. Wish I'd discovered it sooner, 40-50mg is a good starter dose. No headfucks and absolutely no negative effects. I love it  ;D

Wowzers, I find that 2C-C is extremely tactile.   I took it once without my wife around and I was fucked because I had no one to rub up on!  For me, the tactile part is there with 2C-B but it's not overpowering like 2C-C.  So I think 2C-B is a better all around psychedelic, while 2C-C is best for more intimate sensual/sexual experiences.  Agree or is it just me who finds this?

BTW, I love 2C-C.  It's one of my absolute favorites.  Not to be missed.

Dang it, I'm gonna have to get myself some 2c-c now.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: l1llykins on April 17, 2012, 01:09 am
Taken from Erowid's Experience Vault on 2c-c

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HOWEVER. I have started to notice that a day or two after dosing, I will be in a particularly foul or depressed mood. This morning I was so angry with my wife I could barely speak with her, and it was over the smallest most trivial details. Thankfully I have the presence of mind to suspect that my mood is chemical, and so I have thusfar been able to maintain my composure.

Was wondering if Jimmy and Wowzers experience the same.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: Jimmy245 on April 17, 2012, 02:17 am
Taken from Erowid's Experience Vault on 2c-c

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HOWEVER. I have started to notice that a day or two after dosing, I will be in a particularly foul or depressed mood. This morning I was so angry with my wife I could barely speak with her, and it was over the smallest most trivial details. Thankfully I have the presence of mind to suspect that my mood is chemical, and so I have thusfar been able to maintain my composure.

Was wondering if Jimmy and Wowzers experience the same.

No, not me.  Not at all.  Sometimes I'm a little tired the very next day, but it may be simply due to staying up late when partying.  But everybody is different.   Some people get bad depression in the days after MDMA.  Luckily I never do.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: l1llykins on April 17, 2012, 03:45 am
Taken from Erowid's Experience Vault on 2c-c

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HOWEVER. I have started to notice that a day or two after dosing, I will be in a particularly foul or depressed mood. This morning I was so angry with my wife I could barely speak with her, and it was over the smallest most trivial details. Thankfully I have the presence of mind to suspect that my mood is chemical, and so I have thusfar been able to maintain my composure.

Was wondering if Jimmy and Wowzers experience the same.

No, not me.  Not at all.  Sometimes I'm a little tired the very next day, but it may be simply due to staying up late when partying.  But everybody is different.   Some people get bad depression in the days after MDMA.  Luckily I never do.

Sweet, I just put in an order with kiwi so I'll probably be able to try some later this weekend.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: Jimmy245 on April 17, 2012, 04:13 am
Taken from Erowid's Experience Vault on 2c-c

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HOWEVER. I have started to notice that a day or two after dosing, I will be in a particularly foul or depressed mood. This morning I was so angry with my wife I could barely speak with her, and it was over the smallest most trivial details. Thankfully I have the presence of mind to suspect that my mood is chemical, and so I have thusfar been able to maintain my composure.

Was wondering if Jimmy and Wowzers experience the same.

No, not me.  Not at all.  Sometimes I'm a little tired the very next day, but it may be simply due to staying up late when partying.  But everybody is different.   Some people get bad depression in the days after MDMA.  Luckily I never do.

Sweet, I just put in an order with kiwi so I'll probably be able to try some later this weekend.

Great, have fun!  For an oral dose, I have found that 0.60 mg per kg body weight is nice.   That equates to 65 mg for me.  It's a good strong dose, but easy to handle.  2C-C has a pretty short duration too, so if it ever gets too much, just hold on for 30-45 minutes and you'll be fine.  2C-C is great to snort too.  8-10 mg does me real good.  Nice short trip, although the actual snorting can be unpleasant for some.

2C-C + good music + a loved one = perfect night.

You always want to reagent test to make sure it's 2C-C, unless you have absolute 100% trust in your vendor.  If you were to take these dosages of 2C-E,  2C-B or 2C-I, it might not be fun at all.  It would be too much.  And if it were bromo-dragonfly, well, you would die.  This mistake has happened!  So please be careful but have fun!
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: l1llykins on April 17, 2012, 04:29 am
You always want to reagent test to make sure it's 2C-C, unless you have absolute 100% trust in your vendor.  If you were to take these dosages of 2C-E,  2C-B or 2C-I, it might not be fun at all.  It would be too much.  And if it were bromo-dragonfly, well, you would die.  This mistake has happened!  So please be careful but have fun!

I am exceptionally sensitive to psychedelics, 5mg of 2c-b gave me crazy visuals and vivid CEV's ... and 5mg of 2c-i gives me the most amazing body high. So I always start off at 5mg and work my way up (or down as the case may be, lol).
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: wowzers on April 17, 2012, 02:24 pm
Wowzers, I find that 2C-C is extremely tactile.   I took it once without my wife around and I was fucked because I had no one to rub up on!  For me, the tactile part is there with 2C-B but it's not overpowering like 2C-C.  So I think 2C-B is a better all around psychedelic, while 2C-C is best for more intimate sensual/sexual experiences.  Agree or is it just me who finds this?

Personally, I like 2C-B for sex- more energetic & more of a psychological component. 2C-C for me is just a shallow, mind-candy chemical. Maybe I just need to ramp up the dose a bit to get the tactile effects, never been far over 50mg.  :D



Taken from Erowid's Experience Vault on 2c-c

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HOWEVER. I have started to notice that a day or two after dosing, I will be in a particularly foul or depressed mood. This morning I was so angry with my wife I could barely speak with her, and it was over the smallest most trivial details. Thankfully I have the presence of mind to suspect that my mood is chemical, and so I have thusfar been able to maintain my composure.

Was wondering if Jimmy and Wowzers experience the same.

No, absolutely no negative after effects. the immediate afterglow is pleasant, everything looks so clean and refreshed. There's no come-down as such, it just tails off until you're back at baseline and can carry on as normal, you don't feel washed out as with mushrooms or 2C-B.

You always want to reagent test to make sure it's 2C-C, unless you have absolute 100% trust in your vendor.  If you were to take these dosages of 2C-E,  2C-B or 2C-I, it might not be fun at all.  It would be too much.  And if it were bromo-dragonfly, well, you would die.  This mistake has happened!  So please be careful but have fun!

Using marquis reagent, Bromodragonfly turns purple, though not as intensely as MDXX. 2C-C turns lime green, 2C-B turns olive green- the 2 are nearly indistinguishable but I can't imagine someone would pass off the more expensive 2C-B as 2C-C, plus the dosage is quite different- you would barely get off baseline with 12mg of 2C-C.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: l1llykins on April 17, 2012, 04:30 pm
Wowzers, I find that 2C-C is extremely tactile.   I took it once without my wife around and I was fucked because I had no one to rub up on!  For me, the tactile part is there with 2C-B but it's not overpowering like 2C-C.  So I think 2C-B is a better all around psychedelic, while 2C-C is best for more intimate sensual/sexual experiences.  Agree or is it just me who finds this?

Personally, I like 2C-B for sex- more energetic & more of a psychological component. 2C-C for me is just a shallow, mind-candy chemical. Maybe I just need to ramp up the dose a bit to get the tactile effects, never been far over 50mg.  :D

Am I the only one who gets orgasmic body highs on 2C-I? When I tried 2C-B, I got mostly visuals (though not all pleasant).
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: wowzers on April 17, 2012, 04:53 pm
I've never tried 2C-I, how does it compare to 2C-B/C? Everyone I've spoken to says it makes them feel crappy + speedy with little euphoria.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: krut on April 17, 2012, 04:57 pm
I feel lucky, I have never gotten any nausea to speak of when doing 2C-B.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: Jimmy245 on April 18, 2012, 07:37 pm
I've never tried 2C-I, how does it compare to 2C-B/C? Everyone I've spoken to says it makes them feel crappy + speedy with little euphoria.

I view 2C-I as the eldest sibling in the 2C-halo series.  IMO, I>B>C, in terms of potency, trip length and "depth".  I find that threshold dosage increases from I down to C.  For me C lasts about 5 hours, B lasts about 6-7 hours and I lasts 7-8 hours.  I find they all come down very very cleanly, with essentially zero hangover.  I almost always get a mild headache from all three, though, which ibuprofen handles nicely.

I find I to the most introspective or heady of the three and C to be the least.  In fact, C is so shallow, people often refer to it as "candy."  B seems like a happy medium, in between the two, which may account for its relative popularity.  If you're looking for a deeper trip, full of deep thoughts and introspection, then try I.  If you're looking for a light-hearted shorter trip, go with C.  If you're looking for something in between, then it's B.

Of course, everyone is different, and this is only my experience.  The fun part (as I'm sure you know) is trying to figure it out for yourself!
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: l1llykins on April 18, 2012, 09:42 pm
If you're looking for a deeper trip, full of deep thoughts and introspection, then try I. 

Heh, I don't remember doing much thinking on 2c-i. It was all bodily with me. I think my deepest thoughts were: ooh, let's try some Skittles! and ... ok, time to bed.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: l1llykins on April 21, 2012, 05:25 pm
Wowzers, I find that 2C-C is extremely tactile.   I took it once without my wife around and I was fucked because I had no one to rub up on!  For me, the tactile part is there with 2C-B but it's not overpowering like 2C-C.  So I think 2C-B is a better all around psychedelic, while 2C-C is best for more intimate sensual/sexual experiences.  Agree or is it just me who finds this?

BTW, I love 2C-C.  It's one of my absolute favorites.  Not to be missed.

Ok, got to try some 2C-C and I agree with wowzers in that it's a very clear-headed psychedelic. I liked the fact that I could go out for a walk without appearing too intoxicated. And I ended up with a subtle euphoria but was there nonetheless.

However, I didn't get Jimmy's tactile affects. Bummer. Didn't even get to have sex last night, we were so mellow we fell asleep once our heads hit the pillow.

2C-I does that for me though and at a much smaller dose so I'll stick with that one. Ah well, was worth the shot.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: wowzers on April 21, 2012, 08:45 pm
How much did you take l1llykins? Don't dismiss 2C-C out of hand, I'm still experimenting with it working my way up from 20mg. I just took 60mg which is my highest dose yet, should be coming up any time now  ;D
It is fairly expensive but kwiktrips said he would do grams for $70 which is pretty reasonable.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: awesome1126 on April 21, 2012, 08:51 pm
I've read that 2C-C is best experienced with a dose higher than 50mg. Lower doses are not very psychedelic, more empathogenic.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: l1llykins on April 22, 2012, 12:02 am
How much did you take l1llykins? Don't dismiss 2C-C out of hand, I'm still experimenting with it working my way up from 20mg. I just took 60mg which is my highest dose yet, should be coming up any time now  ;D
It is fairly expensive but kwiktrips said he would do grams for $70 which is pretty reasonable.

Well I took a low dose and probably wouldn't mind experimenting with higher doses. But I would probably end up getting the same amount of doses in 1g of 2C-C as I do with only 100mg of 2C-I (5mg gives me a very strong trip).
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: Jimmy245 on April 24, 2012, 07:00 pm
If you're looking for a deeper trip, full of deep thoughts and introspection, then try I. 

Heh, I don't remember doing much thinking on 2c-i. It was all bodily with me. I think my deepest thoughts were: ooh, let's try some Skittles! and ... ok, time to bed.

That's because you only took 5 mg.  Take 20 mg and see if 2C-I gets a little deeper for you.  I'm betting it probably will.  LOL.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: Jimmy245 on April 24, 2012, 07:13 pm
Wowzers, I find that 2C-C is extremely tactile.   I took it once without my wife around and I was fucked because I had no one to rub up on!  For me, the tactile part is there with 2C-B but it's not overpowering like 2C-C.  So I think 2C-B is a better all around psychedelic, while 2C-C is best for more intimate sensual/sexual experiences.  Agree or is it just me who finds this?

BTW, I love 2C-C.  It's one of my absolute favorites.  Not to be missed.

Ok, got to try some 2C-C and I agree with wowzers in that it's a very clear-headed psychedelic. I liked the fact that I could go out for a walk without appearing too intoxicated. And I ended up with a subtle euphoria but was there nonetheless.

However, I didn't get Jimmy's tactile affects. Bummer. Didn't even get to have sex last night, we were so mellow we fell asleep once our heads hit the pillow.

2C-I does that for me though and at a much smaller dose so I'll stick with that one. Ah well, was worth the shot.

Lilly, if you take baby doses, you are not going to experience the same effects that others on here are talking about.  Take 0.60 mg per kg of 2C-C and then come on here and tell me it doesn't heighten your sense of touch.

Even at $100 per gram, a 60 mg dose is only $6.  Granted, 2C-I is cheaper per dose because a threshold dose is smaller, but 2C-I and 2C-C are qualitatively different.  You can say, "I'll take 2C-I instead because it's cheaper," but then you are missing what 2C-C has to offer that you can't find in 2C-I.  For me, I don't care if my dose cost $3 or $6 or $10, I'm more interested in the experience.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: wowzers on April 24, 2012, 07:35 pm
Jimmy245, where's your sweet spot then? I took 60mg at the weekend and I still wasn't where I wanted to be and had less entactogenic effects than I would from a little methylone. I really like this drug & it has it's own distinct character but it lacks a je ne sais quoi which I feel can only be attained by mixing it with something else. My combo trials are going to start next month  :D
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: Jimmy245 on April 25, 2012, 12:05 am
Jimmy245, where's your sweet spot then? I took 60mg at the weekend and I still wasn't where I wanted to be and had less entactogenic effects than I would from a little methylone. I really like this drug & it has it's own distinct character but it lacks a je ne sais quoi which I feel can only be attained by mixing it with something else. My combo trials are going to start next month  :D

wowzers, 70 mg is really good for me.  I weigh ~240 lbs.  As far as insufflation, 10 mg is good quick roll for me.  Snorting 2x 10 mg, spaced about 1-1.5 hours apart is also nice.  The second one takes me to a level I don't get on the first one, especially in terms of visuals.  The actual snorting part isn't pleasant, tho, and not for the faint of heart.  ;)

I've never done methylone, so I can't compare, but IMO 2C-C is not very entactogenic.  It's not even close to MDMA in that department.  (But what is?)  I actually have a teeny bit of methyone on order, so maybe I'll be able to comment on this in a few weeks.

I'll be interested to hear about your combo experiments.  I could see using 2C-C at the end of an MDMA trip, taken at say the 3 or 4 hour mark.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: l1llykins on April 25, 2012, 01:29 am
Of course price isn't the only reason. 2C-I already does everything for me that 2C-C does for you and then some; it exceeds MDMA in the touch department. We were just experimenting because hubby wasn't getting any tactile enhancement on the 2C-I. When we tried 2C-C, I had 20mg and he had 80mg (he's about your weight). But his experience was even weaker than mine.

It's no big deal; I don't doubt that it does everything you say it does for you. It just didn't for either of us.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: l1llykins on April 25, 2012, 01:40 am
If you're looking for a deeper trip, full of deep thoughts and introspection, then try I. 

Heh, I don't remember doing much thinking on 2c-i. It was all bodily with me. I think my deepest thoughts were: ooh, let's try some Skittles! and ... ok, time to bed.

That's because you only took 5 mg.  Take 20 mg and see if 2C-I gets a little deeper for you.  I'm betting it probably will.  LOL.

I don't really want it to. I'm all about the euphoria, crazy body high, and amazing sex. It also makes food orgasmic. But I'm weird, most people don't respond to 2C-I this way.
Title: Re: 2C-B as first time psychedelic?
Post by: Jimmy245 on April 25, 2012, 04:50 am
It's no big deal; I don't doubt that it does everything you say it does for you. It just didn't for either of us.

Fair enough.