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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: coreofearth on December 25, 2012, 03:27 pm

Title: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: coreofearth on December 25, 2012, 03:27 pm
Hi fellow SRs,

I have read this: The Secret Chief: Conversations with a pioneer of the underground psychedelic therapy movement. http://www.maps.org/secretchief/sctoc.html, and it is pretty impressive. It is about curing neuroses, traumas and mental illness with psychedelics. People who had been going to ten years of psychotherapy and was cured with some psychedelic sessions. I'd say that guy is something like a saint, a truly good person who lived to help others. He used mainly LSD, MDA, MDMA, something similar to Ayahuasca and Iboga. The book has prologues by Hoffman (inventor of LSD), Sasha Shuling (inventor of MDMA and many other psychedelics) and Stan Grof (pioneer in psychedelic therapy), so it seems like he was somehow famous in the underground psychedelic psychoterapy in the US.

What do you think of this? maybe modern psychiatry is missing something that the shamans have known for thousands of years? if all this is true, so much human suffering could be prevented if this could be made mainstream that is such an enormous pity.

 Also, the reason I am writing this is because I am looking for somewhere where they could give me a hand with this kind of therapy (preferably in Europe).
Thanks.
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: Xe on December 25, 2012, 05:24 pm
Hi Core.. Ahh the famous book by Myron Stolaroff.. I have this book in my playlist so to speak, to read list..
Have heard few podcasts featuring Myron @ Psychedelic Salon.. His was truly shining person..

Actually the "modern" psychiatry is missing everything.. First of all psychiatry is here not for helping people at all..
Shrinks are the part of the gov prosecution system and work closely with the police.. When they don't they just get paid
for having people locked up, for keeping em away.. Anyway they do more damage than they heal..

The substances they use like benzos, tranqs and fucking neuroleptics are truly evil.. I even have this idea that
neuroleptics are the antipodes of psychedelics in the universe where duality rules.. I speak from my personal experience..

Perhaps psychology should heal soul and use psychedelics as valuable tools in the future..
Psychology and psychiatry are very different in basic motivations and goals..
But as you said it right currently psychology is six feet underground..

Maybe i can feel what you mean.. These are the very precious remedies which can cure so many suffering indeed..
And open up so vast horizons of thinking and creativity of visionary wisdom, besides hardcore addiction treatment which they can.
Though I've discovered that dissociatives can cure chemical or mental addictions far better than anything else..

But this world is a fucked up one.. The raging race of barbarians.. Headpieces stuffed with straw.. 
Psychedelics never should be mainstream by definition and experience itself..
The karmapolice is in action.. So stealth is the way..

Albert said once that having such valuable tools and not using them
would be insane for the mankind.. And currently it is..
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: Buckfuddr on December 26, 2012, 12:43 pm
I believe Johns Hopkins University has been conducting psilocybin studies for the past few years, I don't know the details but I believe it was for treating PTSD.
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: Xe on December 26, 2012, 07:14 pm
I believe Johns Hopkins University has been conducting psilocybin studies for the past few years, I don't know the details but I believe it was for treating PTSD.
Actually 4 terminal cancer.
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: Mr. Fluffles Schrodinger on December 26, 2012, 10:16 pm
I've often wondered why all the corrupt politicians haven't been dosed yet.  Do you think it would do any good? 

Can people be cured of assholio?
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: Buckfuddr on December 27, 2012, 04:48 am
I believe Johns Hopkins University has been conducting psilocybin studies for the past few years, I don't know the details but I believe it was for treating PTSD.
Actually 4 terminal cancer.

You're right, it was some other study for ptsd but I can't remember what drug it was. Maybe mdma.
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: joywind on December 27, 2012, 08:03 am
psychedelics don't cure anyone, they just cause temporary insanity, and in some people, permanent insanity.
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: joywind on December 27, 2012, 08:16 am
psychedelics don't cure anyone, they just cause temporary insanity, and in some people, permanent insanity.

Worthless post. People with open minds know better than that.
Worthless poster. You're just mad that I see through the moronic propaganda that psychedelicists come up with to try to get people hooked on their drugs of choice
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: Ballzinator on December 27, 2012, 01:20 pm
psychedelics don't cure anyone, they just cause temporary insanity, and in some people, permanent insanity.

Worthless post. People with open minds know better than that.
Stop feeding the troll.
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: Ballzinator on December 27, 2012, 01:23 pm
Worthless poster. You're just mad that I see through the moronic propaganda that psychedelicists come up with to try to get people hooked on their drugs of choice

Actually I feel sorry for you that you are unable to recognize the beauty in the interconnectedness of all things. Psychedelics generate beautiful perspectives on reality.
Stop feeding the troll.
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: Formulaic Archaic on December 27, 2012, 07:14 pm
I believe Johns Hopkins University has been conducting psilocybin studies for the past few years, I don't know the details but I believe it was for treating PTSD.
Actually 4 terminal cancer.

You're right, it was some other study for ptsd but I can't remember what drug it was. Maybe mdma.

MDMA has indeed recently been tested as a way to treat PTSD, MDMB (I think) has recently been tested as a treatment for Parkinson's, and LSD has been used to "cure"/treat alcoholism.
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: moonflower on December 28, 2012, 12:09 am
i have been chronically ill for the past decade and i don't know where i'd be if it weren't for psychedelics. they've renewed my love for life and allowed me to start the healing process after years spent in my own isolated hell. i view them mainly as therapeutic tools, as i have seen firsthand how transformative they can be. the power to heal is always within us and psychedelics can help us realize this. never underestimate the power of your own mind. what you think, you become... so think healthy. ;D
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: coreofearth on December 28, 2012, 01:55 am
Moonflower what about telling us your story here?
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: moonflower on December 29, 2012, 12:46 am
Moonflower what about telling us your story here?
well... my interest in psychedelics stems from my interest in shamanism and entheogens. after going to dozens of doctors and being told the same old bullshit, i realized there was no way western medicine could help me. the first doctor to ever even admit he couldn't help was a specialist. i had to take my health into my own hands. the healing process for me started after a strong mushroom trip. ever since then my health has been improving slowly but surely. i believe most illness starts out in the mind before it reaches the body, which is why i think psychedelics can be very beneficial, as they tend to bring the subconscious to the surface. if you are sick, they have the potential to help you discover the root cause(s) of your sickness. i don't think i would have found the inner strength to start healing if it weren't for psychedelics. they are invaluable tools that need to be treated with deep respect.
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: Aurelius Venport on December 29, 2012, 01:25 am
I've made great strides in figuring out who I am and figuring out how to overcome various imbalances of one sort or another which ran counter to who I want to be, largely by examining my psychedelics experiences on my own. Psychedelic therapy is an incredibly powerful tool. Also threatening to the upper class, as some realizations, had by enough people, would likely transmute human society into a diversely textured web of inter-operating points, instead of a fucked up pyramid. Everybody would feel much more equal, with nobody really accumulating power beyond what's at hand any given moment because they can't maintain power over people who are aware and sovereign. This would create a drive to be more immediately capable, which would be good for humanity, but the loss of the power structure abused by the upper class makes it too costly for them to simply allow it.

couldnt agree more.

I have thought this to be true for a bit and was actually explaining it to someone recently.
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: Aurelius Venport on December 29, 2012, 01:28 am
Hi Core.. Ahh the famous book by Myron Stolaroff.. I have this book in my playlist so to speak, to read list..
Have heard few podcasts featuring Myron @ Psychedelic Salon.. His was truly shining person..

Actually the "modern" psychiatry is missing everything.. First of all psychiatry is here not for helping people at all..
Shrinks are the part of the gov prosecution system and work closely with the police.. When they don't they just get paid
for having people locked up, for keeping em away.. Anyway they do more damage than they heal..

The substances they use like benzos, tranqs and fucking neuroleptics are truly evil.. I even have this idea that
neuroleptics are the antipodes of psychedelics in the universe where duality rules.. I speak from my personal experience..

Perhaps psychology should heal soul and use psychedelics as valuable tools in the future..
Psychology and psychiatry are very different in basic motivations and goals..
But as you said it right currently psychology is six feet underground..

Maybe i can feel what you mean.. These are the very precious remedies which can cure so many suffering indeed..
And open up so vast horizons of thinking and creativity of visionary wisdom, besides hardcore addiction treatment which they can.
Though I've discovered that dissociatives can cure chemical or mental addictions far better than anything else..

But this world is a fucked up one.. The raging race of barbarians.. Headpieces stuffed with straw.. 
Psychedelics never should be mainstream by definition and experience itself..
The karmapolice is in action.. So stealth is the way..

Albert said once that having such valuable tools and not using them
would be insane for the mankind.. And currently it is..

+1
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: Aurelius Venport on December 29, 2012, 01:40 am
My first lsd trip is on the way cant wait!!
Title: Re: Curing people with psychedelics?
Post by: Mr. Fluffles Schrodinger on December 29, 2012, 02:16 am
Hi Core.. Ahh the famous book by Myron Stolaroff.. I have this book in my playlist so to speak, to read list..
Have heard few podcasts featuring Myron @ Psychedelic Salon.. His was truly shining person..

Actually the "modern" psychiatry is missing everything.. First of all psychiatry is here not for helping people at all..
Shrinks are the part of the gov prosecution system and work closely with the police.. When they don't they just get paid
for having people locked up, for keeping em away.. Anyway they do more damage than they heal..

The substances they use like benzos, tranqs and fucking neuroleptics are truly evil.. I even have this idea that
neuroleptics are the antipodes of psychedelics in the universe where duality rules.. I speak from my personal experience..

Perhaps psychology should heal soul and use psychedelics as valuable tools in the future..
Psychology and psychiatry are very different in basic motivations and goals..
But as you said it right currently psychology is six feet underground..

Maybe i can feel what you mean.. These are the very precious remedies which can cure so many suffering indeed..
And open up so vast horizons of thinking and creativity of visionary wisdom, besides hardcore addiction treatment which they can.
Though I've discovered that dissociatives can cure chemical or mental addictions far better than anything else..

But this world is a fucked up one.. The raging race of barbarians.. Headpieces stuffed with straw.. 
Psychedelics never should be mainstream by definition and experience itself..
The karmapolice is in action.. So stealth is the way..

Albert said once that having such valuable tools and not using them
would be insane for the mankind.. And currently it is..

+1

If I could, me too.

And interesting story, Moonflower.  If only most westerners would realize these things, maybe we wouldn't be quite so fucked and we'd stop giving all of our money to people who fucking hate us.