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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: uniwiz on December 30, 2012, 03:57 am
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Ok I guess we can't stress it enough.
I'll start listing all the FE scams, so maybe some buyer might read this, and get a clue.
Do not use vendor who require FE. Here's why.
You are free to trade stories, and opinions, as long as I agree with them;) (joking) Post links, vendors name, details, etc anything to do with FE, and why it is bad.
BTW Common Sense is now for sale on SR -> http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/0af42ccadf
If you are a total newbie I would advise you invest in some ;) I have. Seriously Nomad can offer you some good private advice.
This bares repeating, it's from SR Support;
" Escrow
Our commitment is to total satisfaction for every purchase you make here. If your package never arrives or is not in the condition you expected, you may have a chance at a full or partial refund of the purchase price. Just click "resolve" next to your order. Our resolution center gives you total flexibility in working out a mutually agreeable outcome with your vendor, whether you want to request a full or partial refund, release payment to your vendor, or extend the time you wait for arrival. In the rare event that an agreement can't be made, Silk Road admins will be right there to mediate and investigate if necessary. The vast majority of orders are filled exactly as expected, but to avoid even the rare hang up, we strongly encourage you to read your vendor's feedback and ask questions of them ahead of time.
NEVER go around the escrow and pay a vendor directly. We will be totally unable to protect you in this event and the vendor will have much less motivation to serve you well. People HAVE been scammed this way. If a seller requests that you pay them directly, please let us know so we can address the situation.
Purchasing statistics
Because you are totally anonymous on Silk Road, the vendors here have no way of knowing if they can trust you at first. To help them judge whether they want to do business with you or not, some statistics are kept about your past purchases. When you purchase an item, before the order is accepted, your vendor can see how long you have been a member on the site, how many orders have been shipped out to you, and what percentage of the payments you made for those purchases were ultimately credited to your vendors. They can also see how many orders you ignored and allowed to "auto-finalize." So, the best way to keep a good reputation and eventually be accepted by all of the vendors here is to finalize your orders as soon as they arrive and you confirm they are good, and to only request a refund when you deserve it. The statistics are weighted toward the present, so you must keep up your good behavior, but if you have a bad streak, you can recover by doing well going forward. You can view your own stats at any time by clicking the link on your account page.
Tumbler
Just when you thought Silk Road couldn't be more secure, we went one step further. The tumbler sends all payments through a complex, semi-random series of dummy transactions, each with a new, one-use receiving address, making it nearly impossible to link your payment with any coins leaving the site. The quantity, frequency, and number of transactions are all varied chaotically in a way that mimics the transactions of the Bitcoin economy as a whole."
Scams;
TheFarmacy
Phd
Tony76
KINGOFADDERALL
etc
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Reserved for posting shithead vendors names.
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Reserve #2 the list is going to get really big
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Reserved #3
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Awesome idea !! FUCK VENDORS WHO ASK FOR FE!! ITS THERE FOR U AND ME!
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Well I was pocking through vendors home pages, and I found a compromise I think is fair. I'm interested in what others think.
"We've had to change a few things:
We have been giving noobs a chance to get started with us from day 1, but too many have not bothered to read our page & follow our advice, so we will be canceling orders if less than 4 months, & under $250 in transactions, & over 5% refund rate. We need to know that more than 1 or 2 packages might reach you . . . So if you have continually received packages, ours will reach you too! Too many noobs thought that they could reinvent the wheel & outsmart the postal system, so a few, messes it up for many!"
They are not putting us all into one basket. It seems most transactions will not need a FE. Seems fair enough?
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Fuck phd1 NEVER FE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well I was pocking through vendors home pages, and I found a compromise I think is fair. I'm interested in what others think.
"We've had to change a few things:
We have been giving noobs a chance to get started with us from day 1, but too many have not bothered to read our page & follow our advice, so we will be canceling orders if less than 4 months, & under $250 in transactions, & over 5% refund rate. We need to know that more than 1 or 2 packages might reach you . . . So if you have continually received packages, ours will reach you too! Too many noobs thought that they could reinvent the wheel & outsmart the postal system, so a few, messes it up for many!"
They are not putting us all into one basket. It seems most transactions will not need a FE. Seems fair enough?
Yeah, that's fair but it's simpler to just say, "under 10 transactions, less than $250, yo' ass be FE'ing. Straight up."
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made a purchase of 22 bc which i was then sent a message asking me to FE i have 70+ orders with only 1 refund. funnily enough this was a domestic order which I'm yet to receive after being told by the vendor that i'd have it within a few days even with the holiday post.
Escrow is there for a reason.
Refuse to use it and take your business elsewhere.
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All we can do is stop supporting vendors with unreasonable FE requirements. I imagine there might also be a way of exchanging a DCN for finalizing early once the package has been confirmed shipped.
Either way, especially during the busy seasons finalizing early seems to always be a lose/lose.
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+1 to you all. You made me laugh too.
As far as DCN's, I am not a fan of giving out DCN's. Buyers could do stupid things with it. LE could also use it against a vendor.
I am not for putting vendors at any more risk then they have. A DCN should be produced during a dispute, only. No DCN, then we got a problem.
Also to the point above, that paragraph says, I ain't shipping to the same address either.
When dealing with unknown vendors you should use a drop you can afford to loose. For some of you this may be hard to do.
Having 3-4 drops, lets you try new things, without worrying about threats. You should test your drops as well.
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I'm new and trying to make a purchase, many vendors want me to Fe. I don't have the time to make countless 1g samples. I think dcn in exchange for FE until I am established is ok. What I don't like is that because I'm new if package doesn't get through most vendors don't seem willing to reship, refund is not what i'm here for.
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I believe in some cases it is necessary but normally its not so i wouldn't say boycott it just boycott the scammers!
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I'm new and trying to make a purchase, many vendors want me to Fe. I don't have the time to make countless 1g samples. I think dcn in exchange for FE until I am established is ok. What I don't like is that because I'm new if package doesn't get through most vendors don't seem willing to reship, refund is not what i'm here for.
Depending on what you are buying.. There are quite a few vendors that are willing to give new buyers a chance to buy without FE. It takes alot of looking around and reading vendor pages, but they are out there.
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Some new vendor asked me to FE, i haven't do it, i sended my adress 5 days ago and he still haven't read my message lol... Just dont buy to people that want you to F.E, and its that.
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I'm new and trying to make a purchase, many vendors want me to Fe. I don't have the time to make countless 1g samples. I think dcn in exchange for FE until I am established is ok. What I don't like is that because I'm new if package doesn't get through most vendors don't seem willing to reship, refund is not what i'm here for.
Depending on what you are buying.. There are quite a few vendors that are willing to give new buyers a chance to buy without FE. It takes alot of looking around and reading vendor pages, but they are out there.
Thats an understatement... I'm waiting for a vendor that seems to have good feedback in the forums and will take the chance with him
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I'm new and trying to make a purchase, many vendors want me to Fe. I don't have the time to make countless 1g samples. I think dcn in exchange for FE until I am established is ok. What I don't like is that because I'm new if package doesn't get through most vendors don't seem willing to reship, refund is not what i'm here for.
Depending on what you are buying.. There are quite a few vendors that are willing to give new buyers a chance to buy without FE. It takes alot of looking around and reading vendor pages, but they are out there.
Great advice!
Yep, it's is more difficult for a new buyer. The problems is it's going to take months to establish yourself. Everyone wants a quick fix. In this case it takes time. The more you try to speed it up, the more it costs you. Those refunds ruin your stats. In order to have perfect stats you need to work your way up, and take a few hits, all the while trying to cut deals, make compromises with vendors.
Yes the scammers are the problem, but it's on both sides. We need to protect everyone. Never FE!
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I'm new and trying to make a purchase, many vendors want me to Fe. I don't have the time to make countless 1g samples. I think dcn in exchange for FE until I am established is ok. What I don't like is that because I'm new if package doesn't get through most vendors don't seem willing to reship, refund is not what i'm here for.
Depending on what you are buying.. There are quite a few vendors that are willing to give new buyers a chance to buy without FE. It takes alot of looking around and reading vendor pages, but they are out there.
Thats an understatement... I'm waiting for a vendor that seems to have good feedback in the forums and will take the chance with him
I know it can be hard.. But doing your homework and using critical thinking are key around this place.
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I think the FE policy should be terminated. It is only there for the vendor who already has most advantages of an SR sale. Escrow is the ONLY protection that buyers have. Giving that up for ANY reason is not a good idea. Most people who FE regret it at some point because they get ripped off. The vendor's can sugar coat an FE policy any way they want, but it takes away the ONLY possibility that SR will you if you need to go into SR Resolution. If you have FE'd save yourself the time and PM, because SR will say "Sorry, you shouldn't have FE'd".
Secondly- whenever you look at a vendor's page before purchasing (and you should do this EVERYTIME) and there are pages of FE's.... RUN! The scam has already started and if you FE too, you will be paying for some schlup to go on a fun Vegas vacation with YOUR $$$ while you are stuck checking your mailbox everyday for any new cobwebs that might have formed.
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^ Agreed - As a newbie I trusted a vendor with a fucking 99% feedback. Well 2 weeks later and no package - although he said he used DCN and it arrived and was signed by my name. BOYCOTT IT!
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Only you can prevent FE.
Nobody else. There can never be a rule against it since you the buyer are agreeing to violate the rule. It's a catch 22 type thing. SR, DPR, and God can't change your foolishness. (not you, everybody) You are the one clicking past the warnings cause some vendor told you so. You forfeit your rights for your drugs, it's just not worth it.
jj did he give you the DCN?
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I've finalized before with greenovendoor and everything went as planned. i think they offer free shipping for FE just to clear up the funds or something. I also FE'd on my last order with GOD, awaiting arrival now. Should be tomorrow or tuesday. What do ya'll think about FE policies such as GreenOvenDoor's?
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Uniwiz (and also BlarghRawr with his 'samples' thread) are really stepping up and leading well. I love to see how you guys are approaching these issues and coming up with solutions. You guys have the power to change how business here is done.
On a side note: I do not require FE for any size order, even for new buyers. :)
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^ Agreed - As a newbie I trusted a vendor with a fucking 99% feedback. Well 2 weeks later and no package - although he said he used DCN and it arrived and was signed by my name. BOYCOTT IT!
Also known as the "got sent to the vendor's friend and look, it says he even signed so I didn't scam him"-scam.
What do ya'll think about FE policies such as GreenOvenDoor's?
His policy is "You should wait until you've got it but if you don't then we'll cover shipping-costs ourselves.", yes? Having just reviewed it, that is what it looked like to me. And personally, I would say it is okay for orders of an ounce or less but I would suggest against risking it for more than an ounce.
Green's policy, put another way, is "You don't have to FE." and I think anyone in here likes that. :)
Also, thanks farmer1! I was actually hoping you vendors would like my "fuck blackmailers" thread more, but it is going sadly unused.
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Last time I FE'd was for Tony76. Luckily, that was one week before he started collecting for his scam.
Just don't do it, guys! Find another vendor.
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Uniwiz (and also BlarghRawr with his 'samples' thread) are really stepping up and leading well. I love to see how you guys are approaching these issues and coming up with solutions. You guys have the power to change how business here is done.
On a side note: I do not require FE for any size order, even for new buyers. :)
It's greatly appreciated, and we should support vendors that support us.
As a buyer you begin to understand after the first ripoff, or so. But a vendor trying to bait me into FE'ing, and then not giving me my BTC back immediately, because I was pissed really open my eyes. It's gotten so bad that they think they have all the rights. Well we gave it to them. Don't use them! SR is loaded with good vendors.
BlarghRawr, and a host of others are watching over, we need to hang together on this. I have added SR Supports view on FE's, and I think it's quit clear. Don't do it
I'm either at a 60's protest rally, or it's 2011 I'm in a park, in a tent protesting something, but I am not sure what. Too much acid in the 60's
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"I would like to address a current attack being led by "Uniwiz" in the forums, against me:
I have not scammed or wronged anyone, I have gone out of my way to earn the trust of my customers and the community. I will not be scapegoated for the actions of others. I will not bullied by bigots into changing how I do business. I will not enact policies that discriminate against a buyer for being new, or not having spent huge sums of money"
"My name is NorCal420, I provide top quality product at fair prices, and I welcome you to become one of my happy and satisfied customers."
Really? You just don't get it?
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Fuck phd1 NEVER FE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What happened with you and phd1 exactly? care to share with us? I am interested since I was considering of trying out some of his stuff.
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I support this thread! Although there are some legit vendors who do require FE, I still would rather go to someone else and use escrow ;D Much safer!
I've never been scammed, and never used FE! Coincidence?
Nope.
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Fuck phd1 NEVER FE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What happened with you and phd1 exactly? care to share with us? I am interested since I was considering of trying out some of his stuff.
Dude he is gone. Have you checked? Do a search, interesting reading from a "trusted" vendor, or so he thought.
Anybody tells you how trustworthy they are, they are not.
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@ uniwiz
"I will not be moved"
Because you choose to focus on me and make it personal by trying to fuck with my business, I say no. I will not negotiate with bullies & bigots. If you had come to me in private and voiced your concerns I would have gave it consideration. But your wanted to go all "Boycott" and mess with my livelihood.
We have reached an impasse, and nothing positive will come from investing more energy and thought into this discussion. As far as i'm concern the matter is closed. I will respond to direct attacks on my character and/or reputation, but other than that I'm done trying to justify myself to you or anyone else here.
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NorCal I think the whole point of this thread is for the buyer to exercise our right to choose who we do business with and that we all agree that vendors in here requesting FE are doing something that isn't beneficial to both parties, just one, the vendor. You already know I disagree with you saying no FE required on an OZ or less and saying anything above requires FE which is totally f'd up, might as well make all FE for any item because FEing for an oz is nothing compared to FEing for a pound worth a few thousand if you think about it, anyways that is from another thread and I won't plug that into this one any further.
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i have read this hole thread and it is a one sided conversation.
its all about the buyers what about the vendor what happens if the buyer says no i did not get my package even though the dcn says you signed for it.
how would anyone now who is telling the truth and who is lying.??
cus as the vendor you could pull the send to a friend and have them sign for package scam
Or as a buyer you could say it never came. who makes the decision who is a scammer and who is not.
What if a vendor can prove to the buyer that the package is sent and is being sent to the address the buyer supplied in the name the buyer supplied. this can be done rather easy
Take picture of the product and package in front of a TV playing A "not local" news cast that has today's date and time on it.
would all so take a picture of the DCN but block out 1/2 the numbers so buyer can not track and red flag the delivery.
this would apply to new buyers only with under 10 purchases.
Of course remove meta file from pictures.
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i have read this hole thread and it is a one sided conversation.
its all about the buyers what about the vendor what happens if the buyer says no i did not get my package even though the dcn says you signed for it.
how would anyone now who is telling the truth and who is lying.??
cus as the vendor you could pull the send to a friend and have them sign for package scam
Or as a buyer you could say it never came. who makes the decision who is a scammer and who is not.
What if a vendor can prove to the buyer that the package is sent and is being sent to the address the buyer supplied in the name the buyer supplied. this can be done rather easy
Take picture of the product and package in front of a TV playing A "not local" news cast that has today's date and time on it.
would all so take a picture of the DCN but block out 1/2 the numbers so buyer can not track and red flag the delivery.
this would apply to new buyers only with under 10 purchases.
Of course remove meta file from pictures.
As soon as a buyer has more dope in his hands than his feedback profile is worth, he will ditch the account and sign up for a new one. I saw it happen over and over and over again. I went to an all-FE format for this reason, and because I got tired of people saying "oh, gee, I forgot to finalize sorry I am 2 weeks late." Also some buyers will buy a hundred valiums and take them to a party. They get a lot of love for handing them out, and when the party is over and they are sitting back at their computer do you think they finalize for me, or just claim they never got them? It is very easy to get 50% of their money back from the resolution center! That is not fair, but it happens A LOT.
I avoid all of this bullshit. I have my customers FE, then I ship. As a result, I have started lowering my prices and I will continue to do so since I no longer have to dig into my pockets to pay for the liars and cheats. I am not constantly giving 50% back.
If you want to go with a vendor who will let you stay in escrow that is fine, but understand you are paying a premium for this. Nothing is free. Especially money is not free. If all else is equal, you will ALWAYS pay more money to a vendor that allows escrow. Now there are idiots selling who don't understand this, but they will learn after they have been selling for a while and wise up like I did.
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i have read this hole thread and it is a one sided conversation.
its all about the buyers what about the vendor what happens if the buyer says no i did not get my package even though the dcn says you signed for it.
how would anyone now who is telling the truth and who is lying.??
cus as the vendor you could pull the send to a friend and have them sign for package scam
Or as a buyer you could say it never came. who makes the decision who is a scammer and who is not.
What if a vendor can prove to the buyer that the package is sent and is being sent to the address the buyer supplied in the name the buyer supplied. this can be done rather easy
Take picture of the product and package in front of a TV playing A "not local" news cast that has today's date and time on it.
would all so take a picture of the DCN but block out 1/2 the numbers so buyer can not track and red flag the delivery.
this would apply to new buyers only with under 10 purchases.
Of course remove meta file from pictures.
As soon as a buyer has more dope in his hands than his feedback profile is worth, he will ditch the account and sign up for a new one. I saw it happen over and over and over again. I went to an all-FE format for this reason, and because I got tired of people saying "oh, gee, I forgot to finalize sorry I am 2 weeks late." Also some buyers will buy a hundred valiums and take them to a party. They get a lot of love for handing them out, and when the party is over and they are sitting back at their computer do you think they finalize for me, or just claim they never got them? It is very easy to get 50% of their money back from the resolution center! That is not fair, but it happens A LOT.
I avoid all of this bullshit. I have my customers FE, then I ship. As a result, I have started lowering my prices and I will continue to do so since I no longer have to dig into my pockets to pay for the liars and cheats. I am not constantly giving 50% back.
If you want to go with a vendor who will let you stay in escrow that is fine, but understand you are paying a premium for this. Nothing is free. Especially money is not free. If all else is equal, you will ALWAYS pay more money to a vendor that allows escrow. Now there are idiots selling who don't understand this, but they will learn after they have been selling for a while and wise up like I did.
that's exactly the point I've been trying to make it is too easy to scam a vendor on silk road .
If I as a vendor can prove to you that I did put the address you gave me on your package with the product in the package and the package has been mailed then what is the problem with FE-ing.
And if you've already purchased product from said vendor and received your product without any complications then what's the problem with FE at that point.
I don't like the system of where you can see reviews from past buyers this can be faked hell everything on silk road can be faked
So as a future potential vendor I would have to say unless you have 10 purchases under your belt I will require FE after I have proven to you the buyer and to SR support that your package has been mailed to the address you have given ( I don't know if SR support does this or will do this)
again all of this only applies to your first 2 to 3 purchases with me as a vendor
we will be instilling a lost package refund policy.
Here is our lost package refund policy (this is still a work in progress so don't criticize too much)
policy only applies to packages with tracking capabilities.
If your package shows through tracking that it was not delivered Or is still in transit after 14 days then we will refund 1/2 of the cost of your package. And All of your future purchases will have a 25% discount added to those purchases until your full amount you lost is refunded.
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i have read this hole thread and it is a one sided conversation.
its all about the buyers what about the vendor what happens if the buyer says no i did not get my package even though the dcn says you signed for it.
how would anyone now who is telling the truth and who is lying.??
cus as the vendor you could pull the send to a friend and have them sign for package scam
Or as a buyer you could say it never came. who makes the decision who is a scammer and who is not.
What if a vendor can prove to the buyer that the package is sent and is being sent to the address the buyer supplied in the name the buyer supplied. this can be done rather easy
Take picture of the product and package in front of a TV playing A "not local" news cast that has today's date and time on it.
would all so take a picture of the DCN but block out 1/2 the numbers so buyer can not track and red flag the delivery.
this would apply to new buyers only with under 10 purchases.
Of course remove meta file from pictures.
The short answer, escrow, and SR Support, won't let you down.
I realize you are a noob. So I'll let your ignorance slide. That what fucking escrow is about. What you don't trust SR support?
Sound like you never had a missing package, or a dispute with a vendor. They all don't end up with somebody unhappy.
Read my scam FAQ. It's a sticky for a reason.
Who is lying, and who is telling the truth is not your concern unless you are one of the parties. This is SR Supports job, and they do it well.
I don't think either a buyer or vendor can show up in dispute too many times before support gets it. I'm sure they have seen it all.
This by it's very natural makes newbies suspect, and vendors/buyers with 100's of transactions more trustworthy. You get to spin this as discrimination, but I think it's common sense.
If you read enough you will find DCN is a vendors proof a package was sent(not whats in it), not all vendors use them. They still exist with no FE policy, and have since the beginning.
Folks we aren't asking anybody to give up anything. We are asking vendors to follow the guidelines set in place. If that sounds one sided so be it.Read the SR guide lines it tells you specifically not to FE, period, end of story.
I can't fix stupid. This has been an educational exercise. Maybe a few more won't FE this week.
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Uniwiz
You are a bit rude as you have stated I am a new member and I have been reading these forms for hours at a time for the past couple of days and from that I have formed an opinion That does not agree with Yours and from reading previous post of yours you tend to get rude when somebody does not agree with you I am just voicing my opinion from what I have read so far here on silk road and agreeing with the gentleman flaxceed who is a vendor here on silk road who is having the same issues that I have foreseen having.
For me and my money there is no acceptable loss there is no (I will except losing a little money during my learning curve) this is completely unacceptable to me and to anybody with any kind of financial responsibility losing money becomes a habit and that is something I do not want anything to do with.
I have been selling marijuana through craigslist ads and Facebook for a long time now And I have a way of developing trust with people I've never met with.
Using No system to show previous purchases or Reviews escrow Nothing like that and I do very well.
What I do when I meet somebody for the first time as I go through several security techniques before we Even discuss anything to do with marijuana.
I.e. burner phone's get them set up completely with torchat tour mail and the Tor network then there are other techniques that we've researched for receiving your package that if you follow guarantees no arrest if there is a controlled delivery.
We also advise you on renting physical address boxes these cost around $15-$25 a month and are not PO boxes but actual physical addresses that we will ship regular mail to in another person's name That we let you choose we usually ask that you pick a name of girl you went to junior high school in case the shit really hits the Fan you can have an alibi we will send 2 to 3 letters a week from the state the product will be shipped from we do this as a courtesy and free service for all of our customers this way when we send the product to the mailbox in the fake name it doesn't look suspicious we also Have you send regular legal mail to same mailbox in customers name all this is done by the customer through websites that do mailing for you We have you set up an account using a prepaid untraceable credit card from Walmart.
To mail 10 letters a month cost 4.99, A month flat rate this way we never find out what the customer's true name is this is a lengthy process to get set up with but for us we feel is the most secure and we will be implementing some of these procedures with our silk road vendor account.
Of course we will follow all silk road Seller rules.
security of our customers will always be our number one goal
And The secure delivery of The customers product is the best way to Ensure this.
Of course I was shown how to do this I did not learn This on my own.
I'm thinking of calling my vendor account The Group Sounds Like all for one and one for all Doesn't it?
Tell me what you think of the name
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"I have been selling marijuana through craigslist ads and Facebook for a long time now And I have a way of developing trust with people I've never met with."
Are you joking? FACEBOOK? Why on earth would you be so incredibly stupid?
Craigslist I could see possibly getting away with if various precautions are taken but facebook? You must be incredibly foolish if any part of you thinks this is even a remotely good idea.
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Subscribed. I actually greatly dislike it when people FE. It just makes things complicated and i don't want it in my feedback.
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DCN is all you need playas. Just a DCN. SR Support will side with a vendor with DCN over a vendor who doesn't.
So here it is right--- if SR support gets complaints from a few buyers, then they will start to side with buyers. Otherwise SR support will side with vendors with DCN. Even without DCN they will take vendor side if the buyer is a low stat sucker.
All vendors rationalizing FE are just doing it because they like it. Less stressful than having to wait for some forgetful fool to finalize a few days before autofinallize. But when you do high enough business with a decent margin and ship 100% DCN, you won't have to worry about none of that.
FE just maximizes gain and reduces stress for the vendor.
FE bites the buyer in the ass more times than not. FE is the scammers best friend and that's the problem. What y'all need is a partial FE, partial escrow. It will minimize loss for both parties and minimize losses for the scammed. 50/50 is a decent option. Keeps and honest man honest. If a buyer gets away with a buyer scam, vendor only loses principal and not profit. Maybe a little in shipping.
Word was born, you heard it here first.
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never FE
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Uniwiz
You are a bit rude as you have stated I am a new member and I have been reading these forms for hours at a time for the past couple of days and from that I have formed an opinion That does not agree with Yours and from reading previous post of yours you tend to get rude when somebody does not agree with you I am just voicing my opinion from what I have read so far here on silk road and agreeing with the gentleman flaxceed who is a vendor here on silk road who is having the same issues that I have foreseen having.
For me and my money there is no acceptable loss there is no (I will except losing a little money during my learning curve) this is completely unacceptable to me and to anybody with any kind of financial responsibility losing money becomes a habit and that is something I do not want anything to do with.
I have been selling marijuana through craigslist ads and Facebook for a long time now And I have a way of developing trust with people I've never met with.
Using No system to show previous purchases or Reviews escrow Nothing like that and I do very well.
What I do when I meet somebody for the first time as I go through several security techniques before we Even discuss anything to do with marijuana.
I.e. burner phone's get them set up completely with torchat tour mail and the Tor network then there are other techniques that we've researched for receiving your package that if you follow guarantees no arrest if there is a controlled delivery.
We also advise you on renting physical address boxes these cost around $15-$25 a month and are not PO boxes but actual physical addresses that we will ship regular mail to in another person's name That we let you choose we usually ask that you pick a name of girl you went to junior high school in case the shit really hits the Fan you can have an alibi we will send 2 to 3 letters a week from the state the product will be shipped from we do this as a courtesy and free service for all of our customers this way when we send the product to the mailbox in the fake name it doesn't look suspicious we also Have you send regular legal mail to same mailbox in customers name all this is done by the customer through websites that do mailing for you We have you set up an account using a prepaid untraceable credit card from Walmart.
To mail 10 letters a month cost 4.99, A month flat rate this way we never find out what the customer's true name is this is a lengthy process to get set up with but for us we feel is the most secure and we will be implementing some of these procedures with our silk road vendor account.
Of course we will follow all silk road Seller rules.
security of our customers will always be our number one goal
And The secure delivery of The customers product is the best way to Ensure this.
Of course I was shown how to do this I did not learn This on my own.
I'm thinking of calling my vendor account The Group Sounds Like all for one and one for all Doesn't it?
Tell me what you think of the name
Yawn, I detest braggers. Just fucking sell the shit, and stay in escrow. I could care less about your IRL adventures. People who tell me they can be trusted, normally can't. The only thing you need to prove to me is product. Then I'm cool, everything else is just bullshit.
How is that? Rude enough?
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i have read this hole thread and it is a one sided conversation.
its all about the buyers what about the vendor what happens if the buyer says no i did not get my package even though the dcn says you signed for it.
how would anyone now who is telling the truth and who is lying.??
cus as the vendor you could pull the send to a friend and have them sign for package scam
Or as a buyer you could say it never came. who makes the decision who is a scammer and who is not.
What if a vendor can prove to the buyer that the package is sent and is being sent to the address the buyer supplied in the name the buyer supplied. this can be done rather easy
Take picture of the product and package in front of a TV playing A "not local" news cast that has today's date and time on it.
would all so take a picture of the DCN but block out 1/2 the numbers so buyer can not track and red flag the delivery.
this would apply to new buyers only with under 10 purchases.
Of course remove meta file from pictures.
As soon as a buyer has more dope in his hands than his feedback profile is worth, he will ditch the account and sign up for a new one. I saw it happen over and over and over again. I went to an all-FE format for this reason, and because I got tired of people saying "oh, gee, I forgot to finalize sorry I am 2 weeks late." Also some buyers will buy a hundred valiums and take them to a party. They get a lot of love for handing them out, and when the party is over and they are sitting back at their computer do you think they finalize for me, or just claim they never got them? It is very easy to get 50% of their money back from the resolution center! That is not fair, but it happens A LOT.
I avoid all of this bullshit. I have my customers FE, then I ship. As a result, I have started lowering my prices and I will continue to do so since I no longer have to dig into my pockets to pay for the liars and cheats. I am not constantly giving 50% back.
If you want to go with a vendor who will let you stay in escrow that is fine, but understand you are paying a premium for this. Nothing is free. Especially money is not free. If all else is equal, you will ALWAYS pay more money to a vendor that allows escrow. Now there are idiots selling who don't understand this, but they will learn after they have been selling for a while and wise up like I did.
+1 for making sense, and being honest.
i don't agree, and just because your greedy and sell to those people, doesn't mean I should be treated the same. Yes i know "discrimination", like you even give a shit.
No way these people have even 20, or 30 transactions, lot alone 100, or 200 with 0%, and 0%. Do you have any idea how hard that is to do?
You say your prices are cheaper, I say they are not. I'm willing to offer suitable replacements. Try me.
I understand you don't want to pay the price for being in business, yes it's better to offload to the buyer. Hell you got buyers who are willing to do it.
I'm just giving away free common sense, cause I'm sick of all the sob scam stories. I'm sick of trusted honest vendors such as yourself (please trust me, I'm trust-able), walking away with large sums of buyers cash. It sicken me to read buyers saying thats ok.
Read the SR Support Guidelines, never FE. I didn't make those guidelines up. There is a good reason for them. You might as well mail the vendor the cash. Why do we even need SR? Because she protects us, but she can't protect us from ourselves. Some of you are a sorry lot.
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DCN is all you need playas. Just a DCN. SR Support will side with a vendor with DCN over a vendor who doesn't.
So here it is right--- if SR support gets complaints from a few buyers, then they will start to side with buyers. Otherwise SR support will side with vendors with DCN. Even without DCN they will take vendor side if the buyer is a low stat sucker.
All vendors rationalizing FE are just doing it because they like it. Less stressful than having to wait for some forgetful fool to finalize a few days before autofinallize. But when you do high enough business with a decent margin and ship 100% DCN, you won't have to worry about none of that.
FE just maximizes gain and reduces stress for the vendor.
FE bites the buyer in the ass more times than not. FE is the scammers best friend and that's the problem. What y'all need is a partial FE, partial escrow. It will minimize loss for both parties and minimize losses for the scammed. 50/50 is a decent option. Keeps and honest man honest. If a buyer gets away with a buyer scam, vendor only loses principal and not profit. Maybe a little in shipping.
Word was born, you heard it here first.
Nicely done, 72 hours til next +1
Somebody +1 this guy.
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+1 for that. Not that hard, but fucking hard to come up with. I love it, and yea, fuck FE. Aint fucking with you bastards that require FE. Now, I have finalized early for vendors at my own doing, not at their request!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love the finger===good job
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"I have been selling marijuana through craigslist ads and Facebook for a long time now And I have a way of developing trust with people I've never met with."
Are you joking? FACEBOOK? Why on earth would you be so incredibly stupid?
Craigslist I could see possibly getting away with if various precautions are taken but facebook? You must be incredibly foolish if any part of you thinks this is even a remotely good idea.
Been selling on facebook for over 2 years i dont Actually advertise hey look over here I'm selling weed on Facebook I just find a website like 420 which is a Facebook website everybody on their obviously smokes weed so I just start PM people who asked for weed You would be amazed at how many people that actually is.
Plus there are thousands of 420 friendly websites out there and literally hundreds of thousands of people asking for a hookup and as long as you use a program like Tor which I am new too before I use JAP as a proxy server to run my ads on craigslist and talk and hook up people on Facebook.
I am not just sitting in my house blindly selling weed to people on Facebook without protecting my IP.
So no I'm not incredibly foolish And I'm definitely not stupid I feel Pretty good for getting away with this for more than two years.
I know nobody that is doing what I am doing with the amount of success that I am having I want to take it to the next level by bringing my shipping and selling professionalism to silk road.
For the 2 1/2 years I've been doing this I have lost 17 packages
No controlled deliveries
no arrests
with average of 7 packages a day five days a week. Over for 2 1/2 year's
Personally I fill more than half of the packages were lost to the United States Postal Service incompetence I have seen packages take 24 days to deliver without any incident same address same package 2 1/2 months later took three days.
Two of the 17 packages were delivered with nothing in them No love letter nothing Package was opened on one side just enough to remove product on one of the package the other package look like you to being cut open with a letter opener along the top side both completely empty.
And nothing ever came about from it No investigations no love letters know anything personally I think a postal worker got a free sack of weed
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"I have been selling marijuana through craigslist ads and Facebook for a long time now And I have a way of developing trust with people I've never met with."
Are you joking? FACEBOOK? Why on earth would you be so incredibly stupid?
Craigslist I could see possibly getting away with if various precautions are taken but facebook? You must be incredibly foolish if any part of you thinks this is even a remotely good idea.
Been selling on facebook for over 2 years i dont Actually advertise hey look over here I'm selling weed on Facebook I just find a website like 420 which is a Facebook website everybody on their obviously smokes weed so I just start PM people who asked for weed You would be amazed at how many people that actually is Plus there are thousands of 420 friendly websites out there and literally hundreds of thousands of people asking for a hookup and as long as you use a program like Tor which I am new too before I use JAP as a proxy server to run my ads on craigslist and talk and hook up people on Facebook.
On not just sitting in my house blindly selling weed to people on Facebook without protecting my IP.
So no I'm not incredibly foolish And I'm definitely not stupid I feel Pretty good for getting away with this for more than two years.
For I know nobody that is doing what I am doing with the amount of success that I am having I want to take it to the next level by bringing my shipping and selling professionalism to silk road and the two other half years I've been doing this I have lost 17 packages remote-control deliveries and no arrests with average of 7 packages a day five days a week. Over 2 1/2 year's. This
You seem incapable of holding your thoughts together. For that reason alone I would encourage everyone to avoid you.
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KINGOFADDERALL ---- scammed me 12/19/12 DO NOT BUY FROM THEM ---- THEY ARE A SCAM WITH 100% FAKE FEEDBACK---- PM me if you have questions.
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"I have been selling marijuana through craigslist ads and Facebook for a long time now And I have a way of developing trust with people I've never met with."
Are you joking? FACEBOOK? Why on earth would you be so incredibly stupid?
Craigslist I could see possibly getting away with if various precautions are taken but facebook? You must be incredibly foolish if any part of you thinks this is even a remotely good idea.
Been selling on facebook for over 2 years i dont Actually advertise hey look over here I'm selling weed on Facebook I just find a website like 420 which is a Facebook website everybody on their obviously smokes weed so I just start PM people who asked for weed You would be amazed at how many people that actually is Plus there are thousands of 420 friendly websites out there and literally hundreds of thousands of people asking for a hookup and as long as you use a program like Tor which I am new too before I use JAP as a proxy server to run my ads on craigslist and talk and hook up people on Facebook.
On not just sitting in my house blindly selling weed to people on Facebook without protecting my IP.
So no I'm not incredibly foolish And I'm definitely not stupid I feel Pretty good for getting away with this for more than two years.
For I know nobody that is doing what I am doing with the amount of success that I am having I want to take it to the next level by bringing my shipping and selling professionalism to silk road and the two other half years I've been doing this I have lost 17 packages remote-control deliveries and no arrests with average of 7 packages a day five days a week. Over 2 1/2 year's. This
You seem incapable of holding your thoughts together. For that reason alone I would encourage everyone to avoid you.
Wow you people are really judge mental
No it's not that I cannot hold my thoughts together it's a new voice to text program I got for Christmas that seems to work about 95% of the time.
You know someone you see advertised on TV all the time called Dragon.
You see it did that sentence almost perfectly but it put (someone) instead of (the one) I have to admit this doesn't make you lazy and not the check for typing or its typing before I send
See it sucked that line all up.
What I was trying to say in the line above was that the program makes you lazy because it only makes a mistake 5% of the time so you don't really read your text you just hit send therefore you get the garbled goop like above.
So no Mr. however you pronounce your name I am not see how did you say it
Hold my thoughts together with the hell does that even mean I mean we are selling drugs right I am a marijuana dealer.
So if I misspell my words are don't line them up in the proper order for you to understand them SSSOORRyyy I'm just too stoned to give a fuck
In the white room, with black Curtains near the station.
Relaxed dudes is not as hard as you think it is.
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"I have been selling marijuana through craigslist ads and Facebook for a long time now And I have a way of developing trust with people I've never met with."
Are you joking? FACEBOOK? Why on earth would you be so incredibly stupid?
Craigslist I could see possibly getting away with if various precautions are taken but facebook? You must be incredibly foolish if any part of you thinks this is even a remotely good idea.
Been selling on facebook for over 2 years i dont Actually advertise hey look over here I'm selling weed on Facebook I just find a website like 420 which is a Facebook website everybody on their obviously smokes weed so I just start PM people who asked for weed You would be amazed at how many people that actually is.
Plus there are thousands of 420 friendly websites out there and literally hundreds of thousands of people asking for a hookup and as long as you use a program like Tor which I am new too before I use JAP as a proxy server to run my ads on craigslist and talk and hook up people on Facebook.
I am not just sitting in my house blindly selling weed to people on Facebook without protecting my IP.
So no I'm not incredibly foolish And I'm definitely not stupid I feel Pretty good for getting away with this for more than two years.
I know nobody that is doing what I am doing with the amount of success that I am having I want to take it to the next level by bringing my shipping and selling professionalism to silk road.
For the 2 1/2 years I've been doing this I have lost 17 packages
No controlled deliveries
no arrests
with average of 7 packages a day five days a week. Over for 2 1/2 year's
Personally I fill more than half of the packages were lost to the United States Postal Service incompetence I have seen packages take 24 days to deliver without any incident same address same package 2 1/2 months later took three days.
Two of the 17 packages were delivered with nothing in them No love letter nothing Package was opened on one side just enough to remove product on one of the package the other package look like you to being cut open with a letter opener along the top side both completely empty.
And nothing ever came about from it No investigations no love letters know anything personally I think a postal worker got a free sack of weed
BRO U WOULD BE SURPRISED THE MORONS ADVERTISING EVERY DRUG KNOWN TO MAN ON FB! Its mainly scammers and Paki 's doing it with a hundred diffrent accounts.
But seriously there are people listing All kinda Meds, steriods ,Ket etc.. Iv never seen H for sale or coke but everything else is damn sure advertised .. I talk shit to the Paki ragheads all the time, cause their meds they show pics off are soo Obviously FAKE! Like There are some fucking bright Golden Oc 40mg, All kinda crazy color 80 mg oc's.. One of them offerd to send me some samples before, so just out of curiousness i got some and when they arrived they were all fake BS! lol.. They smelt like Vitamins and all were wrong sizes they dont even try to get the color or letters and #s correct.. Then Iv had a few good India clearnet sites i orderd from couple years ago before SR, I always Masked My IP, and used a Drop address, but it was always a big chance u were gonna get fake shit, I had one place that i always got Good benzos from, then they got a bad batch of Xanax bars India is Notorious for the (GG249)White bars, i was getting 500 every month for almost a year with no issue, then i got 200 bad ones, Needless to say they reshiped me a new batch when they got them and doubled the order.. The prices are great but there just is not any type security unless they are willing to reship. I was getting Xanax for less than 90cents and Kpins Banana flav in packs for super cheap also.. If i still had the connect id buy a vendor account, not to mention i Get hundreds of methadones a month and only take about 120 , I wish i would have bought a vendor account a while back, but regardless its a good investment , If i get my hands on 3 boxes of fent patches a month again i will for sure..
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DCN is all you need playas. Just a DCN. SR Support will side with a vendor with DCN over a vendor who doesn't.
So here it is right--- if SR support gets complaints from a few buyers, then they will start to side with buyers. Otherwise SR support will side with vendors with DCN. Even without DCN they will take vendor side if the buyer is a low stat sucker.
All vendors rationalizing FE are just doing it because they like it. Less stressful than having to wait for some forgetful fool to finalize a few days before autofinallize. But when you do high enough business with a decent margin and ship 100% DCN, you won't have to worry about none of that.
FE just maximizes gain and reduces stress for the vendor.
FE bites the buyer in the ass more times than not. FE is the scammers best friend and that's the problem. What y'all need is a partial FE, partial escrow. It will minimize loss for both parties and minimize losses for the scammed. 50/50 is a decent option. Keeps and honest man honest. If a buyer gets away with a buyer scam, vendor only loses principal and not profit. Maybe a little in shipping.
Word was born, you heard it here first.
Thank you mojorizen
That helps a lot and, makes all of my past posts completely mute for I did not know that SR support would side with Vendors so easily As long as the vendor has a DCN.
We don't ship anything without a DCN and we also offer overnight service or will offer excuse me.
I wish at the beginning of this thread that somebody would've mentioned what you Stated above
It clears up a lot of for somebody wanting to be a vendor because that was one of my biggest concerns is all the scamming that you read about here on the forms like I've said before losing money is not something I take lightly and I avoided its at all costs.
Again let me say thank you mojorizen For clearing that up for me look me up when I get my vendors account you have a freebie coming for me
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DCN is all you need playas. Just a DCN. SR Support will side with a vendor with DCN over a vendor who doesn't.
So here it is right--- if SR support gets complaints from a few buyers, then they will start to side with buyers. Otherwise SR support will side with vendors with DCN. Even without DCN they will take vendor side if the buyer is a low stat sucker.
All vendors rationalizing FE are just doing it because they like it. Less stressful than having to wait for some forgetful fool to finalize a few days before autofinallize. But when you do high enough business with a decent margin and ship 100% DCN, you won't have to worry about none of that.
FE just maximizes gain and reduces stress for the vendor.
FE bites the buyer in the ass more times than not. FE is the scammers best friend and that's the problem. What y'all need is a partial FE, partial escrow. It will minimize loss for both parties and minimize losses for the scammed. 50/50 is a decent option. Keeps and honest man honest. If a buyer gets away with a buyer scam, vendor only loses principal and not profit. Maybe a little in shipping.
Word was born, you heard it here first.
Thank you mojorizen
That helps a lot and, makes all of my past posts completely mute for I did not know that SR support would side with Vendors so easily As long as the vendor has a DCN.
We don't ship anything without a DCN and we also offer overnight service or will offer excuse me.
I wish at the beginning of this thread that somebody would've mentioned what you Stated above
It clears up a lot of for somebody wanting to be a vendor because that was one of my biggest concerns is all the scamming that you read about here on the forms like I've said before losing money is not something I take lightly and I avoided its at all costs.
Again let me say thank you mojorizen For clearing that up for me look me up when I get my vendors account you have a freebie coming for me
Hahhahhahahhahaha. Yeah, sure, Silk Road will give you 100% if you show a DCN. What a crock of shit! It is lies like this that keep the FE myth alive. Keep it up and keep paying for all of the scammers!
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DCN is all you need playas. Just a DCN. SR Support will side with a vendor with DCN over a vendor who doesn't.
So here it is right--- if SR support gets complaints from a few buyers, then they will start to side with buyers. Otherwise SR support will side with vendors with DCN. Even without DCN they will take vendor side if the buyer is a low stat sucker.
All vendors rationalizing FE are just doing it because they like it. Less stressful than having to wait for some forgetful fool to finalize a few days before autofinallize. But when you do high enough business with a decent margin and ship 100% DCN, you won't have to worry about none of that.
FE just maximizes gain and reduces stress for the vendor.
FE bites the buyer in the ass more times than not. FE is the scammers best friend and that's the problem. What y'all need is a partial FE, partial escrow. It will minimize loss for both parties and minimize losses for the scammed. 50/50 is a decent option. Keeps and honest man honest. If a buyer gets away with a buyer scam, vendor only loses principal and not profit. Maybe a little in shipping.
Word was born, you heard it here first.
Thank you mojorizen
That helps a lot and, makes all of my past posts completely mute for I did not know that SR support would side with Vendors so easily As long as the vendor has a DCN.
We don't ship anything without a DCN and we also offer overnight service or will offer excuse me.
I wish at the beginning of this thread that somebody would've mentioned what you Stated above
It clears up a lot of for somebody wanting to be a vendor because that was one of my biggest concerns is all the scamming that you read about here on the forms like I've said before losing money is not something I take lightly and I avoided its at all costs.
Again let me say thank you mojorizen For clearing that up for me look me up when I get my vendors account you have a freebie coming for me
No probs. Thanks for the freebie. Ain't never said no to free. Best things in life is free.
SR needs more good vendors. The mo' the better. You seem like you will be a favorite. Us buyers can be real loyal when we find a good vendor. So treat us right and we'll keep coming back for more and we''ll forgive mix ups or 2 day late ships. And if you reward loyalty with extra weight every now and then, we'll never leave. Keep it random tho and we'll buy more often cause it's like a game to us.
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Hahhahhahahhahaha. Yeah, sure, Silk Road will give you 100% if you show a DCN. What a crock of shit! It is lies like this that keep the FE myth alive. Keep it up and keep paying for all of the scammers!
Yeah? Show us some threads where vendors with DCNs got scammed anyway and SR support gave the buyer 100% refund instead.
You just like the FE money too much. It's a like a hard drug. And you know in your mind that you can walk away with people's money anytime you want like every other vendor who skips out when they require FE from everybody. Way more money has been lost to scam sellers with good reps that make buyers FE than scam buyers scamming vendors for free gear. And that's a fact.
The biggest buyer scam a vendor has to worry about is "the gear was weak" or "it was underweight." That's what you see in the rumor mill mostly. a lot of that in the spring. but SR support sides with the vendor in these cases too unless a bunch of buyers make the same complaint.
SR support, supports the good vendors. And it takes a while before SR support believes that a vendor has gone bad. By then, the early buyers lose but the later buyers sometimes get their money back. I know, I been an early buyer of a vendor gone bad. I was SOL but when other buyers complained after me, they got some dollar bills back cause SR frozen the scam vendor's account.
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DCN is all you need playas. Just a DCN. SR Support will side with a vendor with DCN over a vendor who doesn't.
So here it is right--- if SR support gets complaints from a few buyers, then they will start to side with buyers. Otherwise SR support will side with vendors with DCN. Even without DCN they will take vendor side if the buyer is a low stat sucker.
All vendors rationalizing FE are just doing it because they like it. Less stressful than having to wait for some forgetful fool to finalize a few days before autofinallize. But when you do high enough business with a decent margin and ship 100% DCN, you won't have to worry about none of that.
FE just maximizes gain and reduces stress for the vendor.
FE bites the buyer in the ass more times than not. FE is the scammers best friend and that's the problem. What y'all need is a partial FE, partial escrow. It will minimize loss for both parties and minimize losses for the scammed. 50/50 is a decent option. Keeps and honest man honest. If a buyer gets away with a buyer scam, vendor only loses principal and not profit. Maybe a little in shipping.
Word was born, you heard it here first.
Thank you mojorizen
That helps a lot and, makes all of my past posts completely mute for I did not know that SR support would side with Vendors so easily As long as the vendor has a DCN.
We don't ship anything without a DCN and we also offer overnight service or will offer excuse me.
I wish at the beginning of this thread that somebody would've mentioned what you Stated above
It clears up a lot of for somebody wanting to be a vendor because that was one of my biggest concerns is all the scamming that you read about here on the forms like I've said before losing money is not something I take lightly and I avoided its at all costs.
Again let me say thank you mojorizen For clearing that up for me look me up when I get my vendors account you have a freebie coming for me
No probs. Thanks for the freebie. Ain't never said no to free. Best things in life is free.
SR needs more good vendors. The mo' the better. You seem like you will be a favorite. Us buyers can be real loyal when we find a good vendor. So treat us right and we'll keep coming back for more and we''ll forgive mix ups or 2 day late ships. And if you reward loyalty with extra weight every now and then, we'll never leave. Keep it random tho and we'll buy more often cause it's like a game to us.
All things in life are best free or maybe better said Like this all things in life that are given free or best I like that one better.
Thank you for the vote of confidence and that is one of My goals.
Is to continuously and professionally supply Silk road Outstanding customer service with the security for all customers at the foremost of My concerns At the same time supplying silk road with the best mother Fucking Hi grade medical marijuana in America At affordable prices.
I would prefer you take My Expert advice "That I spent many hours researching And Have paid for consulting with a MMJ lawyer To obtain this vital information"
When dealing with the United States Postal Service the law is on our side as long as we follow some basic common sense rules these rules I have implemented with existing customers and It has worked flawlessly.
"so far I say My prayers and cross My fingers every Night" Really I do
I am hoping with the extra security that silk Road offers to improve on what I have already built. I.e. utilizing the PGP encryption system and BTC. And other security features and devices I'm sure to discover here on silk road
I am looking into offering more than Marijuana at the moment
Again thank you for the vote of confidence, excited with anticipation for our grand opening
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Fuck FE....also learned my my lesson with phd1 and thanks to the SR Support Team try to stop the Scam....but unfortunately too late.
So Beware of such MF sellers and report them on early signs of scams...maybe the SR Staff can help then
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Unfortunately, even the vendors that don't require FE almost always make exceptions for Aussies. I understand that its largely our(not mine!) own fault for crying wolf one too many times, but as much as I'd love to offer my support here, I will have to continue to buy from vendors requiring FE merely due to the fact that there are almost none that allow Aussie's to stay in escrow. Domestic vendor's are a complete no-go for obvious reasons.
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Unfortunately, even the vendors that don't require FE almost always make exceptions for Aussies. I understand that its largely our(not mine!) own fault for crying wolf one too many times, but as much as I'd love to offer my support here, I will have to continue to buy from vendors requiring FE merely due to the fact that there are almost none that allow Aussie's to stay in escrow. Domestic vendor's are a complete no-go for obvious reasons.
98% of Aussies are very honest and ideal customers in my experience. The problem is the 2% who are thieves are ruthless. They have the smoothest lines and make the biggest orders. I am in pain again just remembering this. LOL.
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TheGrandWizard has made me reflect. I have change my mind. FE must be good for you. After all the vendors don't want to get ripped off, and you can save money.
It would be unwise to say the next step is to go OEE fully, and save a whole bunch on money with this trust worthy vendor. That would be bad for a system that we are suck the tit from. I always have supported SR support, and SR Buyers Guidelines. I never thought anybody reporting a vendor to SR support is a "snitch" but THEGrandwizard does. I encourage everyone to FE as much as possible because it makes sense. Why use SR Support when good people like theGRANDwizard might call you a "snitch"? How nice.
It's just like going to the gas station. You pay them the money, and the gas station drives off.
Business people have a hell of a time getting enough capital to wait for payments. The turn of funds should never be considered when starting a business. It's cheaper to get paid immediately. The ones that were smart enough to plan for this shouldn't be treated any better then the ones with no planned budget. It all makes sense now. I was looking from the wrong side.
I wouldn't want to treat any vendor above another. Hell trust them all, they proven themselves all trustworthy to hold your money. They are able to regulate themselves. Besides that, you save money. The SR system was designed to treat are vendors, and buyers equally. No discrimination at all, everyone is equal, except for.......
Well you guess it.
Please, I apologize for any problems. Please FE as much as you can. Hopefully that will trickle down, and I can save some money, cause I ain't going to do it. Suckers ;D
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back you up mate.......never Fe....stay in escrow
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Put it this way;
User # 1: Escrow only - 100% success rate. Minimal loss going through SR reso.
User #2: FE only - 50% success rate. Lost half his booty.
User #3: Escrow/FE - 75% success rate. Lost half his FE booty, minimal loss through SR Reso.
As a user/buyer, who would you rather be? My money is on user#1.
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Fuck F.E , Youd be aswell sending me the cash & I can piss it up against a wall or sit on a sunny beach going what a bunch of cock suckers these sr newboys are ... fucking easy money
Like taking sweeties of a wean ;) or Suck it up fukers
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I know nobody that is doing what I am doing with the amount of success that I am having I want to take it to the next level by bringing my shipping and selling professionalism to silk road.
For the 2 1/2 years I've been doing this I have lost 17 packages
No controlled deliveries
no arrests
with average of 7 packages a day five days a week. Over for 2 1/2 year's
From your other thread here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=97477
I would like to know more about shipping what techniques do vendors use.
I've been reading and see that they use the blue box to drop prepaid flat rate boxes into what I would like to know is where do you purchase the prepaid flat rate boxes at do you just walk into the United States Postal Service and buy a bunch of prepaid boxes or is there a another method.
So are you just completely full of shit or have you actually been sending that many packages out for this long without even knowing how flate rate boxes are obtained?
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All you people do is complain you are the biggest bunch of bitches I've ever dealt with
making me reconsider opening up a store on silk road.
Gee I am sure that everyone reading this tread is devastated to see that bit of news. What a travesty. A potential vendor for SR who isn't good at computers, is really confused on how online tracking works, is already intending to require FE, and has proven himself to be quite the immature asshole is deciding not to vend here.
I think I will go cry now... :'(
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ill never fe again after dealing with drnyx and GOD
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All you people do is complain you are the biggest bunch of bitches I've ever dealt with
making me reconsider opening up a store on silk road.
Gee I am sure that everyone reading this tread is devastated to see that bit of news. What a travesty. A potential vendor for SR who isn't good at computers, is really confused on how online tracking works, is already intending to require FE, and has proven himself to be quite the immature asshole is deciding not to vend here.
I think I will go cry now... :'(
I was feeling bad for him, until I read your post.
+1 for making me laugh.
The influx of vendors is bringing in some hungry babies, eh? Glad we could help him.
Dankbank1,
Tell us more for a+1. G.O.D. is got product flying off the shelves. I can't find the other vendor you speak of.
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Nice unwiz I thought you might have fallen down and bumped your head lol
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I'm just playing with you all. Don't have to be serious all the time.
Besides a year from now we will be debating/reporting the same thing.
Every week will be the same scam different vendor. We will all act surprised except for the few that warn us.
The only solution is education, and some folks refuse to be educated. It makes for an interesting no win situation.
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Bump!
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Has it ever been suggested that Silk Road expand the criteria on which vendors are allowed to use FE? I think you need 35 transactions but there should also be a minimum requirement for feedback. Someone who has 35 transactions might have 60% positive and be screwing people over left and right. Any opinions?
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What about people from countries where orders ALWAYS take > 17 days to arrive? The ones that need to finalize early to avoid auto-finalizing?
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What about people from countries where orders ALWAYS take > 17 days to arrive? The ones that need to finalize early to avoid auto-finalizing?
Any good vendor will take that into consideration, and work with you.
SR Support has no trouble extending the time when both parties agree. Don't feel bad using SR Support you both paid for it. Don't let anyone tell you you are a snitch, that just isn't true. Without SR Support this place would have no rules. No 3rd party to oversee. Scammers would run the show.
I always try to work with my vendor, responsibly, and directly. Most are great. Thats how you keep good stats. Always try to work it out with your vendor.
People are looking at extreme situations to validate FE. Thats fine.
Don't use it to hide behind vendors who require FE for everyone. Thats all I'm saying. Look beyond your vested interest.
They help setup a very bad pattern. Even if they are good. No one wants scamming in any form.
Strange thing there are plenty of vendors, and plenty who have no restrictions. You are always free to use them, or not. I'm just never going to be convince a 100% FE policy is good, or the vendor who requires it, is acting in my best interest. This place was founded on escrow. Way it is. No way I would recommend such a vendor, no matter how good they are. There is always a choice. Except for Opium ;)
It's always YOUR choice. I think everything that could be said, has been said.
Doesn't hurt to keep this up to remind the newbies. I'd do a poll if I knew how. That might be interesting.
Peace
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I think it's being looked at (escrow) from the wrong direction.
Currently people are looking to put some sort of guidline/restriction on the vendor as to when they can request FE. However just because a vendor requests it doesn't mean they should be able to require it.
Why not base this off the buyers stats as opposed to the sellers? There are also vendors who have been known to effectively skip an order here and there to pad their profits.
I think that having a system that affords users (buyers) the use of escrow for maintaining good stats (regardless of what the vendor would like) would be the win/win and basing this on the vendors stats is really not going to be beneficial to the buyer.
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Escrow Rulez!!!! Now way around!
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A potential solution: If a vendor asks for FE, leave a 3/5 rating with an explanation that it will be changed on arrival of product. Vendors are so worried about losing the 97-100 rating bracket that they will probably be more likely to not scam in this case.
Vendors are asking for a level of trust from buyers, why not ask for some reciprocation? They should trust that you will change it if the product arrives.
Another potential solution is to have an added "Product arrival" statistic for vendors. A lot of people give 5/5 feedback even if product doesn't arrive due to getting a 50% refund or w/e. If there are 2 seperate numbers, i.e.
Mercury31(100)(95%)
With the second number being the postage success of the seller, it may have a similar beneficial result.
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What about people from countries where orders ALWAYS take > 17 days to arrive? The ones that need to finalize early to avoid auto-finalizing?
Any good vendor will take that into consideration, and work with you.
SR Support has no trouble extending the time when both parties agree. Don't feel bad using SR Support you both paid for it. Don't let anyone tell you you are a snitch, that just isn't true. Without SR Support this place would have no rules. No 3rd party to oversee. Scammers would run the show.
I always try to work with my vendor, responsibly, and directly. Most are great. Thats how you keep good stats. Always try to work it out with your vendor.
People are looking at extreme situations to validate FE. Thats fine.
Don't use it to hide behind vendors who require FE for everyone. Thats all I'm saying. Look beyond your vested interest.
They help setup a very bad pattern. Even if they are good. No one wants scamming in any form.
Strange thing there are plenty of vendors, and plenty who have no restrictions. You are always free to use them, or not. I'm just never going to be convince a 100% FE policy is good, or the vendor who requires it, is acting in my best interest. This place was founded on escrow. Way it is. No way I would recommend such a vendor, no matter how good they are. There is always a choice. Except for Opium ;)
It's always YOUR choice. I think everything that could be said, has been said.
Doesn't hurt to keep this up to remind the newbies. I'd do a poll if I knew how. That might be interesting.
Peace
I can understand from a buyer's viewpoint about FE-ing but I've been reading the forms and most of the scam's That I have read about on here are not Sellers scamming the buyers but the other way around buyers are out scamming the sellers that a ratio of about 3 to 1 so as a buyer I fully understand the FE think but as a potential future seller having to wait two weeks for your profit in some cases is a bit ridiculous I like the escrow system and I think it's a good idea this should only apply to buyers who have a decent rating below that rating I felt FE is necessary in some cases if not all.
And I know you are probably going to try to say that if you can't afford to wait for your money for two weeks you should not Be a vendor on silk road And I would have to agree with you to a point. If you are a vendor and you have a Budget that you open your account with And because of having to at the everybody you go past your budget and now you have to close your doors until everybody has auto FE
I don't see what the big deal is If as a vendor you can prove that you mail a package with DCN one it That you should be able to receive partial payment i.e. profit and then remaining payment upon delivery or something along this line I hate scammers to I think they are the scum of the earth but at the same time as a businessman I want to stay in business.
Just my opinion not trying to piss anybody off
I had to read that a few times. I think your ratio's are off. 3 to 1 what? I think you mean more buyers scam? 3 buyers to every vendor? Not even close or this place would shut down. It depends or what you sell as well. Some drugs seem to have no honor. Guns sales have a large amount of scamming.
Most of the scams are new buyers and new vendors. There are people who make a living starting one account after another.
Also there are many more buyers then vendors, even here you can see vendors posing as buyers, because they are buyers. I also wouldn't put it past a good vendor, to open a scam account, or a buyers doing the same. As far as BTC, I would think bad vendors stole more then bad buyers but have no basis in fact.
Again an opinion spun in the vendor's interest. There is a reason for escrow, feedback, forums, and purchasing stats. The reason you guys are getting ripped off is you clearly don't understand this. That's both sides, buyers, as you proved, future vendors.
Every noobie is told to spend a few weeks reading then place a buy.I don't think most even spend an hour or two before their first buy.We have new vendors who don't have a clue as to what they got into. They just see $$$. You can tell sometimes by their shipping methods, or product quality. Did they spend any time planning? I highly doubt it.
People, I could say it's better I don't finalize until I tried the drug out throughly. Then if I don't like it, renegotiate the price. Sounds really fair for me. It's totally unreasonable. Lets be reasonable, we are talking about this, "I don't ship to anybody (no matter the stats) until they FE" policy. Not something outlandish. A policy which is discourage by SR Support. They can't ban it, they just tell you, "Don't do it"
Vendors are taking some losses, but not as large as OP would have you believe. If they are, they should stop selling, because they are doing something wrong.
The vendors I see doing best limit clientèle and/or go into stealth.
Peace
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Another potential solution is to have an added "Product arrival" statistic for vendors. A lot of people give 5/5 feedback even if product doesn't arrive due to getting a 50% refund or w/e. If there are 2 seperate numbers, i.e.
Mercury31(100)(95%)
With the second number being the postage success of the seller, it may have a similar beneficial result.
This idea would actually be really effective, if it could be implemented effectively. :)
It would be good to see what the shipping info of the Vendor is, as the rating currently is a hit or miss really and can be altered through various methods - not saying that the shipping info couldn't, but at least its something to think about and look at.
makku
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I have been reading multiple posts here on the forms it seems that most vendors on silk road use priority shipping with DCN and they drop it off in a blue box location in the middle of the night I like this procedure keeps me from having to hire somebody to mail the packages for me lot crackheads in my area that will do anything for $25 I have 4 to 6 regulars that I use they do not know who I am
so I thought I would ask you "not so friendly" people here on silk road for advice.
All you people do is complain you are the biggest bunch of bitches I've ever dealt with
making me reconsider opening up a store on silk road.
I could see You bitches now having a complete conniption shit fit because you're packages didn't arrive with gold leaf trim and a prostitute wrapped up inside of it along with your product.
bitches
You use local crack heads to post your mail? ???
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I have been reading multiple posts here on the forms it seems that most vendors on silk road use priority shipping with DCN and they drop it off in a blue box location in the middle of the night I like this procedure keeps me from having to hire somebody to mail the packages for me lot crackheads in my area that will do anything for $25 I have 4 to 6 regulars that I use they do not know who I am
so I thought I would ask you "not so friendly" people here on silk road for advice.
All you people do is complain you are the biggest bunch of bitches I've ever dealt with
making me reconsider opening up a store on silk road.
I could see You bitches now having a complete conniption shit fit because you're packages didn't arrive with gold leaf trim and a prostitute wrapped up inside of it along with your product.
bitches
You use local crack heads to post your mail? ???
Lol. Pookie's Postal Service. Maybe using crackheads as a slave labor force might have some benefits? Who knows. At least he's thinking outside the box, or maybe it's 1992 Los Angeles outside today.
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I have been reading multiple posts here on the forms it seems that most vendors on silk road use priority shipping with DCN and they drop it off in a blue box location in the middle of the night I like this procedure keeps me from having to hire somebody to mail the packages for me lot crackheads in my area that will do anything for $25 I have 4 to 6 regulars that I use they do not know who I am
so I thought I would ask you "not so friendly" people here on silk road for advice.
All you people do is complain you are the biggest bunch of bitches I've ever dealt with
making me reconsider opening up a store on silk road.
I could see You bitches now having a complete conniption shit fit because you're packages didn't arrive with gold leaf trim and a prostitute wrapped up inside of it along with your product.
bitches
You use local crack heads to post your mail? ???
Lol. Pookie's Postal Service. Maybe using crackheads as a slave labor force might have some benefits? Who knows. At least he's thinking outside the box, or maybe it's 1992 Los Angeles outside today.
Yep well thought out I might say. That work force would never think to look in the package? no......
Buyer, Hey I got my package but nothing was in it. Vendor,But the DCN says delivered, you scammer. On it goes.....
It did make me laugh. ;D
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I'll FE for a good vendor that has up to 200 to 300 transaction and a rating of 97% and up, or I'll FE if I really like them from previous transactions I have had with them. It also is a huge gamble for the buyer and seller on SR.
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Why?
My problem is that FE strikes me as something that you do as a courtesy to not hold up a vendors coin in escrow.
This is something that to me is earned through fast, reliable, professional, and stealthy trades, key word is earned. So if I'm even going to entertain FE for a vendor I need to at least see how their service is and if their service is consistent and reliable then I might FE but that has to be earned.
If you've never conducted business with that vendor before what have they done to earn you FE'ing?
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CharasBros
RIP OFF Selective scammer 8) Told my mate to F.e he waitied over a month & nothing ,So I ordered asked me too F.E ? I asked for tracking option & WHY THE F.E... Nothing happened
Watch this guy SELECTIVE SCAMMER...I heard one in four dont get >:(
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its still worth saying buddy,esp for the newbies ;)
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Just going to throw our .02BTC in here.
We are firmly against FE under any normal circumstances. The only exception being orders that breach a certain monetary value, and therefore represent an unacceptable loss. (ie: 1oz + of our product), in which case we split the item and require 50% up front, 50% on delivery.
Most vendors claim they need FE in order to re-up for product they've sold. Our position is that anybody in this game should already have the capital and product on hand to meet ANY order placed. SR provides a means to specify the number of a specific item you have available. Too often we see vendors just fill in 99's in those spots, and yet require FE to meet the demand. Did you have 99 of "x" or didn't you?
Vending on SR is expensive. Outside of DPR's cut, there are shipping costs, and the loss we take doing to the BTC to cash dance necessary to convert our earnings into spendable currency. Vendors must factor these costs in ahead of time, and in the price of their product, and not try to gauge it out of their clients by constantly requiring them to FE.
We think, and this is our own best practice are. If you have $5000 of product to sell, have $10000 in cash on hand to meet costs and surprise large orders.
There will be losses. Every vendor will meet a scammer/ ratings blackmailer/ total shithead. The best, and only way to deal with that is to maintain your integrity as a vendor, maintain the integrity of your product, and eventually that 1/5 rating from the scammer will become meaningless over time, and your regulars, and new clients will continue to flock to you.
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Just going to throw our .02BTC in here.
We are firmly against FE under any normal circumstances. The only exception being orders that breach a certain monetary value, and therefore represent an unacceptable loss. (ie: 1oz + of our product), in which case we split the item and require 50% up front, 50% on delivery.
Most vendors claim they need FE in order to re-up for product they've sold. Our position is that anybody in this game should already have the capital and product on hand to meet ANY order placed. SR provides a means to specify the number of a specific item you have available. Too often we see vendors just fill in 99's in those spots, and yet require FE to meet the demand. Did you have 99 of "x" or didn't you?
Vending on SR is expensive. Outside of DPR's cut, there are shipping costs, and the loss we take doing to the BTC to cash dance necessary to convert our earnings into spendable currency. Vendors must factor these costs in ahead of time, and in the price of their product, and not try to gauge it out of their clients by constantly requiring them to FE.
We think, and this is our own best practice are. If you have $5000 of product to sell, have $10000 in cash on hand to meet costs and surprise large orders.
There will be losses. Every vendor will meet a scammer/ ratings blackmailer/ total shithead. The best, and only way to deal with that is to maintain your integrity as a vendor, maintain the integrity of your product, and eventually that 1/5 rating from the scammer will become meaningless over time, and your regulars, and new clients will continue to flock to you.
;) nice to hear it from a vendor , +1 for common sense..
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Is it just me or is the title of this thread really confusing? :o ???
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^^ Lol to be honest I thought a vendor or something hacked uniwiz's account and changed the title to troll him and the thread lol.
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Is it just me or is the title of this thread really confusing? :o ???
I mentioned this, waiting a response on the topic... but no explanation from Uniwiz.
More like, MisinformationWiz.
This how I know you only read what you want.
I did it. I'm messing with you all. It's about getting you to look, so I guess I'm the troll.
I posted why I did it, the day I changed the topic. I may change it a few more times just to generate interest. It's all about education, not winning the argument. I'm not going to FE. I have saved too many money but just saying no, and lost too much by FEing with trusted vendors. Some of you need to learn the hard way. What I do with my favorite vendors, well thats my problem, and between me, and my vendor. So don't think I 100% disagree with any of you.
I know a bunch of you just use tor mail, and deal directly, saving even more. I just can't encourage that out of respect to people, and a system I love.
The daily responds keep the tread in view for the people who need the reminder;) Education......
Festivalia, I almost thought we found common ground in your last post?
What is you want from me? Why do you want to poke me? Did I touch a sore spot?
I'm trying to be reasonable. Do we at least agree a 100% FE policy not considering stats is wrong?
I see you have 0% rate is both AF, and refunds. Kudos to you. How many transactions?
I have over180 , I assume you have a lot too. You know how hard it is to get those stats. Why would a vendor not consider them?
While I never said "Thank You" to Norcal for "adjusting his policy", it is deserved. I just don't appreciate the total fucking lie he generated about SR Support. That bullshit pisses me off. There is no need to make shit up. The truth is good enough. I never chat with SR Support unless a scam is going on. That is everyones right, without some vendor calling you a snitch. Since I didn't do biz with Norcal, what basis would I go to SR Support? Bunch of dumb asses, can't think things out.
I'd work on the next vendor, but I know you vendor's are circling your wagons, and spinning the truth. Some even pose as buyers.
So I'll wait for the next big rip-off by a known good vendor. Start my education, again. It just a matter of time.
Guys don't get too serious, cause there is no correct answer. If your stupid enough to FE, after SR Support clearly tells you not to. Who is to blame?
Really are the vendor issues well go away if we all refuse to buy. That's a simple truth. You have made it clear, you aren't stupid but you choose to do it for various dumb ass reasons. I say have at it. I can't stop you. The tyranny stuff was just stupid hype by a small group of scared vendors. Boycotts are voluntary.
I'm not running your life, you are. You still have free will.
Just remember, I not being self-serving, and have no vested interest except in saving you from loosing money. Some people seem to know better despite the facts;)
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BTW Common Sense is now for sale on SR -> http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/0af42ccadf
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Just going to throw our .02BTC in here.
We are firmly against FE under any normal circumstances. The only exception being orders that breach a certain monetary value, and therefore represent an unacceptable loss. (ie: 1oz + of our product), in which case we split the item and require 50% up front, 50% on delivery.
Most vendors claim they need FE in order to re-up for product they've sold. Our position is that anybody in this game should already have the capital and product on hand to meet ANY order placed. SR provides a means to specify the number of a specific item you have available. Too often we see vendors just fill in 99's in those spots, and yet require FE to meet the demand. Did you have 99 of "x" or didn't you?
Vending on SR is expensive. Outside of DPR's cut, there are shipping costs, and the loss we take doing to the BTC to cash dance necessary to convert our earnings into spendable currency. Vendors must factor these costs in ahead of time, and in the price of their product, and not try to gauge it out of their clients by constantly requiring them to FE.
We think, and this is our own best practice are. If you have $5000 of product to sell, have $10000 in cash on hand to meet costs and surprise large orders.
There will be losses. Every vendor will meet a scammer/ ratings blackmailer/ total shithead. The best, and only way to deal with that is to maintain your integrity as a vendor, maintain the integrity of your product, and eventually that 1/5 rating from the scammer will become meaningless over time, and your regulars, and new clients will continue to flock to you.
This is like %99 where I'm looking at things from. The exception is where I put in mostly larger orders with a smattering of smaller ones to test out a new vendors packaging/quality etc etc before committing to a larger buy.
What is this monetary value/threshold for you? I'm only asking because I am curious, as some people think $100 is a lot, others $1,000 and others $10,000.
What would you
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So, what's with the topic here? All jokes aside, don't you think the topic of this will simply confuse newbs? ... Why are people even still talking about this? Because people never learn? Or because one side vs. the other is just opinion vs. opinion. Pointless thread, pointless argument.
1. Finalize Early only if you can afford to lose the amount of $ you're finalizing.
2. Only do it for vendors you've worked with, and have earned your trust.
3. If you Finalize Early and get scammed, eat the loss and try not to shed too many tears. Especially not on the forums, cause then you'll just justify more countless pointless threads like this one. Which there are dozens upon dozens of.
So sick of this argument and seeing Uniwiz repeat himself.
The short answer for you is no, and I could care less. I notice you haven't be short on words ;)
I do think you, and I are reaching a center. I got to agree with 1, 2, and 3. I just add a one more.
4. Boycott vendors who require FE for everyone. (I don't need to repeat myself as to why?)
If we do number 4, vendors won't be able to do a number two on you. :P
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And those stats IMO entitle you to full use of escrow IMO. And anyone elses that have 0/0 and some $ over I dunno 2-5k?
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I wasn't waving my dick, but you must be. You miss my point. It takes a lot of work to earn your stats. I knew you have a lot of transactions. I wasn't trying to beat you. There is no winning here. I was trying to find common ground, but I see you are not interested. ok your dick is bigger then mine. I knew that in high school, so why wave it?
My girlfriend once asked, "who you going to please with that?" I responded, "ME!" ;D
I do thank you for keeping the topic alive. I find it curious you think I gave a "I am not a troll speech". It must be my sarcasm.
There is no doubt, I'm trolling this thread, why deny it? Are you denying you are trolling the thread?
Let me see, you refuse to agree that we agree more than we disagree. I fully agree to your 3 points. All you need to do is agree to the 4th.
Done, end of thread. Problem solved.
Please go on.........
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Never finalize early,i lost $250 on my first transaction to Enterthematrix,he sent me mdma cut to the shit with piperazine.
Since then i have dealt with vendors who tell me to never finalize early,and are a pleasure to talk too.
Do your home work,buy small until u build some stats.
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Wow I think after the endless posts we are started to get some where. I din't say my dick was small just yours is bigger. I still have very respectable transaction history.
I think it's bullshit somebody would ask me to FE, unless we had a deal going.
You agree that with stats like yours you are entitled to no FE, and use of escrow. That's all I have been saying.
You accuse me of dissing, and picking on Norcal. Nothing can be further from the truth, but I'm not going to kiss his ass, for being an ass.
TheGrandWizard claims I turned in Norcal to SR Support, and got him banned. Again totally untrue.
Someone in a thread pointed out Norcal's FE policy. I had enough of this wave of early FE's, and the scams that follow.
I simply start a boycott program of vendors who call for 100% Fe regardless of stats. Norcal was pointed out first.
He reacted badly. He felt since it was more than on OZ, it was ok. We disagreed. Instead of reading to fine whats up. You ask, but start your troll. No problem, you are doing my a favor;)
He decided to threaten SR Support. Did you all learn a lesson? Don't do that.
He posted "I will not be moved", 48 hours later, he moved.
You say I overreact but the 3 of you did a pretty good job by yourselves. It helped prove my point. No matter what you all think.
Norcal changed his policy. I respect him for that. I didn't want to make a big deal because of the hard feelings. I'm not jumping up, and down, claiming I won, because there another vendor who needs the same treatment.
Would you like to pick the next vendor?
People have learned posting the truth gets the vendor to whine, as bad as the buyers. So whiny bitches are on both sides.
Only you can prevent FE!!
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the message is Simple DONT F.E Even if they say theyll suck ur dogs dick ???
If you F.E say goodbye to your b t c ;)
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Wow I think after the endless posts we are started to get some where. I din't say my dick was small just yours is bigger. I still have very respectable transaction history.
I think it's bullshit somebody would ask me to FE, unless we had a deal going.
You agree that with stats like yours you are entitled to no FE, and use of escrow. That's all I have been saying.
You accuse me of dissing, and picking on Norcal. Nothing can be further from the truth, but I'm not going to kiss his ass, for being an ass.
TheGrandWizard claims I turned in Norcal to SR Support, and got him banned. Again totally untrue.
Someone in a thread pointed out Norcal's FE policy. I had enough of this wave of early FE's, and the scams that follow.
I simply start a boycott program of vendors who call for 100% Fe regardless of stats. Norcal was pointed out first.
He reacted badly. He felt since it was more than on OZ, it was ok. We disagreed. Instead of reading to fine whats up. You ask, but start your troll. No problem, you are doing my a favor;)
He decided to threaten SR Support. Did you all learn a lesson? Don't do that.
He posted "I will not be moved", 48 hours later, he moved.
You say I overreact but the 3 of you did a pretty good job by yourselves. It helped prove my point. No matter what you all think.
Norcal changed his policy. I respect him for that. I didn't want to make a big deal because of the hard feelings. I'm not jumping up, and down, claiming I won, because there another vendor who needs the same treatment.
Would you like to pick the next vendor?
People have learned posting the truth gets the vendor to whine, as bad as the buyers. So whiny bitches are on both sides.
Only you can prevent FE!!
Dude... your mom should have Finalized Early. ;D
LOL, now thats funny ;D
Keep them coming......
Pick a vendor, yet?
Edar,
That message is worth repeating;) I know the veterans are sick of reading it, but if we save one person today it's worth it.
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yip ;)
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yip ;)
LOL Somebody gets it. ;D
Hint, next time we will call it "voluntarily abstaining from buying, or dealing with a person as an expression of protest, usually for political reasons"
My mom told me to do it.
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fack is aaa
KINFOFADDERALL - Sacammed me 12.19.12. ALL his FEEDBACK 100% FAKE. I LOST 17.98 DOLLARS, HE IS A SCANNER = RUN AWAY!
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fack is aaa
KINFOFADDERALL - Sacammed me 12.19.12. ALL his FEEDBACK 100% FAKE. I LOST 17.98 DOLLARS, HE IS A SCANNER = RUN AWAY!
You only lost 18 bucks? not too bad i've seen worse.
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fack is aaa
KINFOFADDERALL - Sacammed me 12.19.12. ALL his FEEDBACK 100% FAKE. I LOST 17.98 DOLLARS, HE IS A SCANNER = RUN AWAY!
You only lost 18 bucks? not too bad i've seen worse.
Nah yo, he got Sacammed by a Scanner.
what ever he,s smoking is working pmsl
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Reserved for posting shithead vendors names.
fack is aaa
KINFOFADDERALL - Sacammed me 12.19.12. ALL his FEEDBACK 100% FAKE. I LOST 17.98 DOLLARS, HE IS A SCANNER = RUN AWAY!
You only lost 18 bucks? not too bad i've seen worse.
Nah yo, he got Sacammed by a Scanner.
Fuck those scanners. always sacamming and shit.
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I would say the new vendor is Foxbelle77:
ALL ORDERS ARE NOW FE ONLY.
You make an order then message me to say you accept the terms, I then confirm the order and you FE. I then post the order.
No exceptions, no negotiations - we've been stung too many times with scammers and late payers.
Our stats speak for themselves, our product is the best on the UK market and we are also the cheapest in the UK by a massive margin.
If you don't like these terms please feel free to buy from a more expensive vendor.
I'm sorry a minority have forced this action
Belle X
If you've had a good experience with us (or heaven forbid bad!!) then please leave a review on our official forum review thread! :)
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90954.0
has been a member for 1 month
was last seen: today
ranked in the top 10% of sellers with 99.8% positive feedback from 218 transactions
has 153 fans - become a fan
Not even more than 30 days on the road and already demanding FE? Fuck him.
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I don't mind doing FE for vendors I trust who prefer it and will send extra product for doing it. I don't trust the escrow system much anyway or the site itself anymore, so I think just putting any bitcoins into an SR account is playing a big risk with the money.
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I don't think you are getting the point.
You as a buyer have the OPTION of FE'ing at any time for any reason. The problem is that vendors are DEMANDING FE for their own benefit. As more vendors shift to this way of operating you will no longer have the CHOICE to FE because you are contributing to the allowing of this.
Please do explain how in ~30 days and under 300 sales a vendor has earned your trust. Why do you give your trust so willingly to people?
We aren't really talking about vendors who you may have some relationship with, we are talking about vendors that have a blanket FE policy which does nothing but setup buyers to be scammed.
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Either way. FE or Not. SR support is far from helpful even if the vendor in question has admitted to a large fuck up and not sending the order.
Why is SR allowing vendors to rip people off without consequence?
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I don't think you are getting the point.
You as a buyer have the OPTION of FE'ing at any time for any reason. The problem is that vendors are DEMANDING FE for their own benefit. As more vendors shift to this way of operating you will no longer have the CHOICE to FE because you are contributing to the allowing of this.
Please do explain how in ~30 days and under 300 sales a vendor has earned your trust. Why do you give your trust so willingly to people?
We aren't really talking about vendors who you may have some relationship with, we are talking about vendors that have a blanket FE policy which does nothing but setup buyers to be scammed.
My bad, I didn't read the whole thread so I wasn't talking about new vendors who demand FE. Of course I wouldn't trust someone anymore with FE who has less than 300 sales or who's only been on for a month. I was stupid enough to get scammed for an ounce by WeirdScience, but learnt my lesson from that which is that you should be more careful with FE and again definitely not do it for vendors who aren't properly established yet. What I was talking about is just FE'ing in general sometimes, paying in advance without escrow. There are a few well established vendors here and elsewhere who I trust enough that I don't mind FE'ing or sending them money before they send out product.
The only reason I do it sometimes is that with some vendors you can work out an understanding and maybe get some extra product for doing it. I have very good success rates with receiving orders so I'm not generally worried about them going missing once they've been sent. So if I feel I can trust someone to send it and sweeten the deal a bit for me paying in advance, I don't mind doing it as sometimes I've actually received quite a bit more just for doing it and messaging them about it beforehand. Also I think maybe a lot of my attitude towards this stuff comes from the fact that I've been ordering from different online sources for many years before SR, and SR is the first place I've used which actually has escrow. Any of the other similar smaller services I've used over the years would laugh off the idea of customers requesting refunds.
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Either way. FE or Not. SR support is far from helpful even if the vendor in question has admitted to a large fuck up and not sending the order.
Why is SR allowing vendors to rip people off without consequence?
If you understand you have a 50% risk, they have been great. SR Support only works in escrow.
I would say most of the time the vendors do take care. The few scams I have found, and not FE'ed, they took care of me, or banned the vendor.
I can't complain about SR at all.
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Hi guys,
Complete newbie here, so apologies in advance if I say anything thoroughly stupid!
I get that FE seems potentially pretty dodgy, but the vendors for the things I want that ship to my country all seem to require it for users with no feedback. Any suggestions? Should I suck it up and make a few small purchases using FE, or what?
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Hi guys,
Complete newbie here, so apologies in advance if I say anything thoroughly stupid!
I get that FE seems potentially pretty dodgy, but the vendors for the things I want that ship to my country all seem to require it for users with no feedback. Any suggestions? Should I suck it up and make a few small purchases using FE, or what?
Yeah just make a few small purchases to get feedback, maybe buy a cheap gram of hash or something like that so there's not a lot of risk.
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agreed. a couple small packages that fit in mailbox fine. its okay to order more than one at time, but dont get to crazy
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what about the "half FE and half upon delivery and testing?"
this would at least protect the vendors somewhat and give more incentive for buyers who don't have the stats yet . . . like me :-[
this way the vendors would get at least half if the buyer fucks up,,,and if the vendor fucks up it gives the buyer a chance to say so, after a reasonable period :-\
Man!!! these captchas are crazy :o they keep telling me I can't read/spell :P this is attempt #7
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Hi guys,
Complete newbie here, so apologies in advance if I say anything thoroughly stupid!
I get that FE seems potentially pretty dodgy, but the vendors for the things I want that ship to my country all seem to require it for users with no feedback. Any suggestions? Should I suck it up and make a few small purchases using FE, or what?
Being new, sucks, lots to read. May I suggest 3dames? They send all over. What he said above start small. Also new vendors will take a chance. Make sure you write a review for them. Some drugs are harder to get then others. Some countries are a pain to ship to IE, AUS
Good Luck.
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cheers matey thanx for the thoughts, alas I'm that worst of all noobs who can tick all the boxes with just 2 in 1 :o.... I'm a noob in oz :P
But now I've got this far, and that's 100% further than anyone I know :D
wild policemen couldn't keep me from succeeding here (hmmm where's the 'determined' looking emoticon when you need it?)
I'm not sure how many people get away without FE and losing 'a few' in their first dozen or so purchases.
What do you think about the 50/50 idea?
IMO It's certainly better than 100% FE and it gives the vendor acces to half the dough straightaway, and gives the customer every reason to finalize asap and to give an honest rating to keep in a good suppliers good books, no? This last aspect also goes in the vendors favor, in many ways it's a huge improvement than "either/or" FE/escrow and would 'open the doors' for more customers who would never fully FE but might give 50/50 a go. :)
ps. like the new captchas...I hope it can beat those fuckin alphabet bitcoin bots :P
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" Escrow
Our commitment is to total satisfaction for every purchase you make here. If your package never arrives or is not in the condition you expected, you may have a chance at a full or partial refund of the purchase price. Just click "resolve" next to your order. Our resolution center gives you total flexibility in working out a mutually agreeable outcome with your vendor, whether you want to request a full or partial refund, release payment to your vendor, or extend the time you wait for arrival. In the rare event that an agreement can't be made, Silk Road admins will be right there to mediate and investigate if necessary. The vast majority of orders are filled exactly as expected, but to avoid even the rare hang up, we strongly encourage you to read your vendor's feedback and ask questions of them ahead of time.
SR should have an " Are You Sure" button after we click finalize, i accidentally finalized on 2 users and was worried of a no show but they arrived.
my point is that there should be an "are you sure" button
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SR should have an " Are You Sure" button after we click finalize, i accidentally finalized on 2 users and was worried of a no show but they arrived.
my point is that there should be an "are you sure" button
Why would you accidentally click finalize when it says right on the screen:
** The finalize button is FINAL and cannot be reversed
This is very similar to the thread someone started a couple of days ago saying he wish he had been better reminded to save his PIN beyond the do NOT forget your PIN warning on the registration page.
I see many people making accidental clicking mistakes and it has to be due to lack of patience? I am not sure what else. Is your screen jumping around on you? HPPD?
I think I need to start a thread on here entitled "I know you are excited but calm down, read carefully, and everything will go much more smoothly."
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SR should have an " Are You Sure" button after we click finalize, i accidentally finalized on 2 users and was worried of a no show but they arrived.
my point is that there should be an "are you sure" button
Why would you accidentally click finalize when it says right on the screen:
** The finalize button is FINAL and cannot be reversed
This is very similar to the thread someone started a couple of days ago saying he wish he had been better reminded to save his PIN beyond the do NOT forget your PIN warning on the registration page.
I see many people making accidental clicking mistakes and it has to be due to lack of patience? I am not sure what else. Is your screen jumping around on you? HPPD?
I think I need to start a thread on here entitled "I know you are excited but calm down, read carefully, and everything will go much more smoothly."
This is largely the nature of the beast. We are human- we make mistakes, get emotional, don't dedicate all the time needed to read instructions, etc.
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Escrow is 50/50 risk.
You can accidentally FE, very easily. A "are you sure?" button would be nice. People would still FE none the less.
However, there is an interesting read in Norcal review thread.
I guess there is nothing stopping buyers from making deals out of escrow, away from SR's watching eyes. Same risk as FE, but no fee paid to SR.
A buyer, who is also a vendor admits to doing buys away from SR. Vendor states nothing stops him from doing biz outside SR. He forgets the "with non SR buyers" part, and he paid a fine for it.
Didn't Primo get banned for that? I see him back.
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Any newbie's should start with some small local (domestic) purchases in the beginning for a couple of reasons. Firstly, there is less of a chance a local vendor will require any buyer to FE (SOMETHING A BUYER SHOULD NEVER DO). Secondly, delivery is all but guaranteed without the risk of a Custom's seizure. By doing this, your early SR experience should be a positive one instead of a package not arriving from O/S and you being discouraged by the experience. You will begin a successful Transaction history which is important regarding any future purchases you make and will give you the confidence to eventually order a larger quantity (if so desired) from a reputable overseas vendor. Yes, most locally bought drugs are more expensive (depends where you live of course) than the prices offered by O/S vendors, but building up your buyer's stats, available to a vendor when you make a purchase, is so important. During this period of you ordering from local vendor's, you should be doing some research here on the forum about any prospective vendor you may use in the future and when a forum member reviews their transaction from a vendor you're thinking of using, send them a polite PM if you want to ask any questions. Always begin small when ordering from overseas and prior to ordering from SR, ensure the address/name you will use works fine by perhaps ordering a $2 item from somewhere like Ebay, to confirm a delivery should arrive with no problems. A vendor's packaging is the key to a successful arrival so make sure you take the time to do some homework before ordering. What ever the case may be, as unwiz has stated, NEVER FE for a vendor, EVER! You don't have to but you do have to be smart about the choices and decisions you make. :)
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Hi All,
We are well established 1st generation Silk Rpad Vendors, please take a minute and read the below info, many thanks for your time in advance , 1luv xx
⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥♥♥ -- NEW FE POLICY -- ♥♥♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
TO BASICALLY WOO MORE WONDERFUL CUSTOMERS INTO OUR SPIRITUALLY AWARE WORLD, WE HAVE DECIDED TO EASE OUR CONTROVERSIAL FE STANCE. UNTIL NOW WE HAVE REQUIRE FE ALL ON ALL ORDERS, BUT FROM THIS WEEK WE WILL ONLY ENFORCE IT IF THE ATTEMPTED BUYER HAS:
⌘ LESS THAN 10 SUCCESSFUL TRANSACTIONS
⌘ SPENT LESS THAN £1000 TOTAL TRANSACTION VALUE (possibly less at our discretion)
⌘ LOCATION OUTSIDE THE UK (that includes you, you crazy german guys out there ;-) hehe)
⌘ ANY KIND OF REFUND RATE AT ALL (possibly negotiable at our discretion)
⌘ THE WRONG ATTITUDE (this is VERY rare but jus a lil disclaimer!!)
⌘ PURCHASE VALUE IS OVER $500 USD (in which case terms to be discussed, probably on a 50% FE and 50% when you receive)
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TELL ANY OTHER USERS ON THE FORUMS OR IRW YOU COMMUNICATE WITH , WHO WOULD CONSIDER ANY OF OUR VARIOUS PRODUCTS BUT HAS BEEN PUT OFF BY OUR STRINGENT 'BLANKET FE' POLICY PREVIOUSLY ;-)
✤ COCAINE (CONSISTENTLY HIGH-GRADE)
✤ MDMA (CONSISTENTLY HIGH-GRADE)
✤ KETAMINE (CONSISTENTLY HIGH-GRADE)
✤ SIDENAFIL/VIAGRA (SOLID AS A COCK)
✤ MEPHEDRONE (FRESH FROM FACTORY SHARDY)
✤ DIAZAPAM/VALIUM (EXCELLENT QUALITY - FROM WELL RESPECTED BENZO BLACK TUNA GANG CREW)
✤ 2-CB (pills not powder ATM)
✤ PILLS (MDMA, VARYING DESIGNS AND COLOURS - ALWAYS GOOD QUALITY)
✒ ✒ ✒ FEEL FREE TO ASK US ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY PRODUCT WHENEVER (once you've read through all this blurb AND OUR PROFILE, please? Thank you) ✒ ✒ ✒
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Hi All,
We are well established 1st generation Silk Rpad Vendors, please take a minute and read the below info, many thanks for your time in advance , 1luv xx
⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥♥♥ -- NEW FE POLICY -- ♥♥♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
TO BASICALLY WOO MORE WONDERFUL CUSTOMERS INTO OUR SPIRITUALLY AWARE WORLD, WE HAVE DECIDED TO EASE OUR CONTROVERSIAL FE STANCE. UNTIL NOW WE HAVE REQUIRE FE ALL ON ALL ORDERS, BUT FROM THIS WEEK WE WILL ONLY ENFORCE IT IF THE ATTEMPTED BUYER HAS:
⌘ LESS THAN 10 SUCCESSFUL TRANSACTIONS
⌘ SPENT LESS THAN £1000 TOTAL TRANSACTION VALUE (possibly less at our discretion)
⌘ LOCATION OUTSIDE THE UK (that includes you, you crazy german guys out there ;-) hehe)
⌘ ANY KIND OF REFUND RATE AT ALL (possibly negotiable at our discretion)
⌘ THE WRONG ATTITUDE (this is VERY rare but jus a lil disclaimer!!)
⌘ PURCHASE VALUE IS OVER $500 USD (in which case terms to be discussed, probably on a 50% FE and 50% when you receive)
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TELL ANY OTHER USERS ON THE FORUMS OR IRW YOU COMMUNICATE WITH , WHO WOULD CONSIDER ANY OF OUR VARIOUS PRODUCTS BUT HAS BEEN PUT OFF BY OUR STRINGENT 'BLANKET FE' POLICY PREVIOUSLY ;-)
✤ COCAINE (CONSISTENTLY HIGH-GRADE)
✤ MDMA (CONSISTENTLY HIGH-GRADE)
✤ KETAMINE (CONSISTENTLY HIGH-GRADE)
✤ SIDENAFIL/VIAGRA (SOLID AS A COCK)
✤ MEPHEDRONE (FRESH FROM FACTORY SHARDY)
✤ DIAZAPAM/VALIUM (EXCELLENT QUALITY - FROM WELL RESPECTED BENZO BLACK TUNA GANG CREW)
✤ 2-CB (pills not powder ATM)
✤ PILLS (MDMA, VARYING DESIGNS AND COLOURS - ALWAYS GOOD QUALITY)
✒ ✒ ✒ FEEL FREE TO ASK US ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY PRODUCT WHENEVER (once you've read through all this blurb AND OUR PROFILE, please? Thank you) ✒ ✒ ✒
Change takes work.
Change is slow.
Change takes risk.
Change is real.
I feel a change in the air. Do you?
Sort of like the gas stations that charge for credit cards ;)
LMFAO, take that, you vendors posing as buyers. Let the wall fall! Victory smells, well like victory.
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Hi All,
We are well established 1st generation Silk Rpad Vendors, please take a minute and read the below info, many thanks for your time in advance , 1luv xx
⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥♥♥ -- NEW FE POLICY -- ♥♥♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥⌘♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
TO BASICALLY WOO MORE WONDERFUL CUSTOMERS INTO OUR SPIRITUALLY AWARE WORLD, WE HAVE DECIDED TO EASE OUR CONTROVERSIAL FE STANCE. UNTIL NOW WE HAVE REQUIRE FE ALL ON ALL ORDERS, BUT FROM THIS WEEK WE WILL ONLY ENFORCE IT IF THE ATTEMPTED BUYER HAS:
⌘ LESS THAN 10 SUCCESSFUL TRANSACTIONS
⌘ SPENT LESS THAN £1000 TOTAL TRANSACTION VALUE (possibly less at our discretion)
⌘ LOCATION OUTSIDE THE UK (that includes you, you crazy german guys out there ;-) hehe)
⌘ ANY KIND OF REFUND RATE AT ALL (possibly negotiable at our discretion)
⌘ THE WRONG ATTITUDE (this is VERY rare but jus a lil disclaimer!!)
⌘ PURCHASE VALUE IS OVER $500 USD (in which case terms to be discussed, probably on a 50% FE and 50% when you receive)
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TELL ANY OTHER USERS ON THE FORUMS OR IRW YOU COMMUNICATE WITH , WHO WOULD CONSIDER ANY OF OUR VARIOUS PRODUCTS BUT HAS BEEN PUT OFF BY OUR STRINGENT 'BLANKET FE' POLICY PREVIOUSLY ;-)
✤ COCAINE (CONSISTENTLY HIGH-GRADE)
✤ MDMA (CONSISTENTLY HIGH-GRADE)
✤ KETAMINE (CONSISTENTLY HIGH-GRADE)
✤ SIDENAFIL/VIAGRA (SOLID AS A COCK)
✤ MEPHEDRONE (FRESH FROM FACTORY SHARDY)
✤ DIAZAPAM/VALIUM (EXCELLENT QUALITY - FROM WELL RESPECTED BENZO BLACK TUNA GANG CREW)
✤ 2-CB (pills not powder ATM)
✤ PILLS (MDMA, VARYING DESIGNS AND COLOURS - ALWAYS GOOD QUALITY)
✒ ✒ ✒ FEEL FREE TO ASK US ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY PRODUCT WHENEVER (once you've read through all this blurb AND OUR PROFILE, please? Thank you) ✒ ✒ ✒
SEE!!... whilst this is great news from dmt, it goes 100% toward supporting the point that 'we' (aka early finalizers) have been trying to say. Personally, I only have 6 transactoins total under my belt and they do not total equiv of £1000... I am a small buyer and genearlly spend no more than around AUD$200 per transaction... I also don't live in the UK.
IMO, SR was not designed to only be an anonymous marketplace, it is a Global Marketplace. That is without doubt a big part of what makes it so attractive. But as a relative newcomer here (ie less than 6 months buying history), it is near bloody impossible to do business without the majority of Vendors seeking me to FE.
At the risk of sounding monotonous, I want to repeat a part of my earlier post on this topic that I posted in the "SR Scam Reports" thread.
I do accept 100% that FE erodes a buyers protection, however there is not much need for 'buyer protection' if you cant bloody buy anything!
So, while I am totally supportive of the escrow system and I think that SR is an amazing marketplace, as a very well-read newcomer I have to say pleeeease... enough with the advice to never FE. I really don't think it is possible to become a long term member of this community unless you start off finalizing early on most transactions. Maybe if you are shopping for just one product, you 'might' be able to find a Vendor willing to supply you in escrow, and you can build up your buyer stats over time by using that one Vendor... but if you want different products and want to try different Vendors, there is very little chance of staying within escrow for your first few months.
... and yes I have now had two orders not arrive after I FE... and they were BOTH from very reputable vendors (make of that what you will).
So will I FE again?... fuck yes, I did today. it's either that or just give up the game. The order I placed today from a very reputable vendor of Mephedrone required that I FE simply because I am in AUS.
The FE requirement does end up putting pretty well 100% of risk on to the buyer. Once those odds have burnt me one more time I will be on strike three and I reckon i'm out!
And that's all pretty fucked because I have had four successful deliveries too.. all of which went seamlessly and gave me the optimism to keep going. But as long as it remains near impossible for relatively new buyers of certain products to be able to shop without being forced to FE on transactions, the odds remain stacked in the Vendors corner, and having a whole bunch of people repeatedly telling you not to FE wont change that.
I am just a player... I didn't make the rules. Walk a mile in another man's shoes people before getting all high an mights about stating how "you never FE... crazy if you do... etc etc"
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sekure, when starting out on SR, I've always suggested to someone new who is trying to build up a transaction history, to start with some very small local purchases and even a couple of digital download purchases to throw into the mix. I know you like Meth so you could buy a few points from different vendors (about 4-5 BTC per point). Starting off by buying from O/S vendors who require you to FE will not end well in most instances and could dent your confidence to make future purchases. It may take a bit longer to establish a successful transaction history by doing things this way, but IMO, buying local will almost guarantee you successful transactions, build up your buying confidence and ensure your stats begin perfectly. Getting off on the right foot is important as once you get behind the 8ball, it's not easy to return your stats to what they once were. :) :)
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Sound advice Wadozo... I was just trying to avoid the altitude of local pricing... getting into prices that high always makes me giddy! :)
I get it though mate, and will do a couple of small local orders next to see how I go. As much as the no-shows piss me off I am not quite ready to quit... I just had high hopes and great faith as a relative newcomer.
Thanks again for your thoughts and advice.
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I NEVER FE
i have made an exception for this when ordering from LucyDrop yesterday tho
one of the top few sellers on the road
1# bestselling listing on the road
reviews and feedback support the quality and service
100% customer satisfaction.
only then will I FE.
Period.
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I gettttt it, its like only you can prevent forrest fires lol
Come on guys, never FE when you dont absolutely have to
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Only vendor I don't FE for is a new vendor... or Christy Nugs -but only because she is against it(makes it harder to keep her books straight).
Everyone else, I've FE'd on my own accord. Showing such trust in my regular vendors has gotten me fronted thousands, free product, respect, and an overall flawless experience on SR.
Just be smart about "who" you're finalizing for. Don't finalize amounts you can't recover from if you lost it.
thanx matey tis good too hear an 'established member' say this, imo it is 'sensible advice' 8)
AND looking at your stats, it appears you have followed this protocol quite successfully! 8)
I too am vexed with the double curse of being a newcomer in oz :P
I must admit to a tad of FUD but I'm starting to get the hang of reading the reviews of various vendors on the forum and am slowly building confidence about buying from the road :D
I hope I can maintain stats like yours and I'll be VERY happy ;D 8)
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...if you hit the Finalize button on accident, you've got major issues with your eyes or fingers. Period.
Exactly. This is what I've been saying to all those people saying we need an "Are you Sure" popup. So silly.
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...if you hit the Finalize button on accident, you've got major issues with your eyes or fingers. Period.
Exactly. This is what I've been saying to all those people saying we need an "Are you Sure" popup. So silly.
Not really.....
There is no "period". I have FE'ed early because of a software bug. Now I am very careful not to go back on the orders page. Also I hear cell phones are problematic.
If you add a button "Are you sure?" with warnings, people will still FE. Happens on BMR all the time, and they have that button.
That why I say "Only you can prevent FE". I get your point however.
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Only vendor I don't FE for is a new vendor... or Christy Nugs -but only because she is against it(makes it harder to keep her books straight).
Everyone else, I've FE'd on my own accord. Showing such trust in my regular vendors has gotten me fronted thousands, free product, respect, and an overall flawless experience on SR.
Just be smart about "who" you're finalizing for. Don't finalize amounts you can't recover from if you lost it.
...if you hit the Finalize button on accident, you've got major issues with your eyes or fingers. Period.
As for the new people who have a hard time finding escrow vendors, let me make a suggestion:
Go to your drug listing category of choice. Check off "domestic only", and then Sort By, "Newest" -
Look for a vendor who has what you want, where you are, who is relatively new. They can't ask you to FE... the option isn't even available. This could help you get some numbers behind your name.
That does mean that everytime your taking some what of a gamble right? I mean if ANYTHING is going wrong in the vendors life... Running out of product, family issues ect ect your coins could get lost because you allready sent them...
I try to never ever FE unless i absolutely have to ESPECIALLY if they are a really popular vendor doing 20+ transactions a day.
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The ONLY time I would FE, and I have done it once, is if I have done plenty of business with a vendor. There's no reason to FE, if someone has the product they claim.
I just read some bad reviews on a vendor I ordered from recently. Apparently they never got their product. Going to suck if this doesn't go through, as its not my product. I simply purchase for people. :/
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CharasBros Selective Scammer.
You must Finalize Early. You have no choice. I had a previous successful transaction and realized the risk. Nowhere else to get this quality hash at this price. Package seized by customs. Sent CharasBros proof. They refuse to accept liability. Shitty packaging. Easy to detect. They have 20+ sales a day, can afford to be weasels.
BEWARE
Buy at your own risk.
Update......
Offered to reship when he (CharasBros) receives a customs letter as well.....!!!
Do you think he put his return address on package???
What a goof....
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Looks like another vendor trying to force FE on buyers:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=139494.0 - Having an issue with a vendor who requires FE ( but I will NEVER do it )
They didn't mention the vendors name but this should be made public IMO so buyers know to avoid vendors who use tactics like this to hold up bitcoin and non ship an order instead of cancelling.
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I know you like Meth so you could buy a few points from different vendors (about 4-5 BTC per point)
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That wa on january 26th! Now that equates to about $450+ PER POINT :o IF the prices weren't hedged! TF they are! 8)
Amazing to see the value of BTc's rise SO much!
I'm still trying to figure out exactly 'why' .... the halving of the reward for block to 25 coins isn't sufficient ... "demand" seems like the most likely culprit :-\
Does anyone have any more 'reasons' for it's extraordinary rise in 'cost?'
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It should be made impossible to finalize a deal before 24 or 36 hours have gone past.
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what do you guys think about The Top Shelf asking for FE. whats so wrong with waiting 2-3 days. ha
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what do you guys think about The Top Shelf asking for FE. whats so wrong with waiting 2-3 days. ha
Is this thread still alive? Vendors who don't require FE are easy to find;)
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I still do FE only and this has been the most ridiculously busy month in recent memory. Viva la FE! Viva la bitcoin! Viva la Silk Road!!!!!
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what do you guys think about The Top Shelf asking for FE. whats so wrong with waiting 2-3 days. ha
He corrected that this week, problem solved. I highly recommend this vendor.
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what do you guys think about The Top Shelf asking for FE. whats so wrong with waiting 2-3 days. ha
Is this thread still alive? Vendors who don't require FE are easy to find;)
Lol yeah! Does ANYONE FE ...... it's against ALL the 'principles' of the MUTUAL TRUST one CAN develop with Genuine vendors ... DEMANDING a buyer FE is...pathetic IMO
SHIT :o hang on!! There ARE :o :o
I still do FE only and this has been the most ridiculously busy month in recent memory. Viva la FE! Viva la bitcoin! Viva la Silk Road!!!!!
Hmmmmpphfffff ...what can I say :( :( :(
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I FE'd my first purchase. Got scammecd. Live and learn!
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Yeah aussie...there ya go! mate...it's NO good and that's "why" ALL the fuss ... motek WONT FE purely due to the 'principle' ..."IF I have to put the cash in escrow...you can wait till they get here!"
And that still doesn't solve ALL probs motek has an "Auto Resolution" with a 'well known vendor' from the UK to oz,,, which motek doesnt want to happen (it will be their first AR) the pack's way late ....but.."easter" ... soooo we are patient ...But vendor has yet to pm's from a few days ago...and now TSR's "down" ....soooo "patience" is all we have
BUT come next week...IF no 'luck' with this stuff ...motek wont be happy and you'll all get to hear about it!
m m m motek
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It is official i am an idiot!bought from peoples drug store on their webstore(before they were hacked)would not give tracking excuses excuses said the package came back yadda yadda..lesson learned i guess!
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They need to code auto finalize to be 10 days instead of 17. Honest to god, I grit my teeth and turn red when I realize someone is not going to finalize a timely manner. So many low transactions accounts have bought from me and NEVER logged back in, or they didn't even check there message inbox.
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coachella the vendor hasn't replied to ANY of my pm's in the past 3 days (they have been online?) and auto finalization occurs on tuesday???
I dont want it to auto finalize?
what should motek do?
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I don't understand this thread, when the OP = Uniwiz aka 2joints FE'd for a vendor I buy from and he is in-turn is trying to scam him. This retard preaches no FE and does it anyway. Scammer much? Save face? True.
His post-count doesn't make him crediable guys make sure you all know Uniwiz is under alias 2joints and couple other forum names.
Let it be known SR community you have been warned, need proof check my posts!
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What are you 'netipots' on about?
Dude it's a thread about NOT EVER Finalizing Early! Never ...ever!
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Thought I would put down my recent experiences FE down so maybe someone else can learn from it.
One of the vendors I am dealing with has a special deal for FE a "bonus" in my case its .1 or $2 in stuff also in exchange I get no tracking number first class shipping which left one end of the US on Monday and still hasnt arrived to the other side of the US and its Saturday.
I am a newbie still so I make my orders small and FE when I feel I have to or am willing to take that chance. Just until I have enough history that I can comfortably make larger purchases and be able to use escrow and vendors will be more willing to deal with me.
I can usually tell in my inital messages before I order if they are going to let me use escrow. One vendor canceled a small order I made and I know its because I wouldnt FE and the price of the BTC was up and down. They told me after they canceled my order to place an order with one of their larger ads. I didnt.
I made another small domestic order on Sunday and it said processing until just last night. Funny thing is I was just going to cancel it and SR went down and when I got back in later it was finally in transit. I feel like my order wasnt sent so that maybe I would FE?
I may get my items and if I do I will leave detailed reviews. If I dont I will try to learn from it and find other vendors next time.
Bottom line NEVER FE. Not for a bonus or fee shipping and not to get the order moving from processing and definitely not just so the vendor will deal with you. :-*
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Aaawww super-silk-woman ...that IS sad to hear.... :(
and TBH I didn't think anyone would FE after reading enough in the forums :-\ :o
BUT ...being a noob with NO 'stats' once..I understand ...and although I never was ripped off (or FE'd) My 'first escrow vendor' was a domestic dude,who helped me gat $1k+ of sales on the board
BUT .... he went "rogue" only a short time later, with packages #'s 4 and 5 NOT being what I had ordered ...he left the Road...BUT I see he's BACK with THE SAME username "Ozcoldhorse"
He "was" good .....BUT sadly MANY TOP VENDORS with amazing stats and reviews ... HAVE 'GONE ROGUE' :o >:(
There ARE ALWAYS VENDORS WHO WONT REQUIRE FE "even for noobs"
Thanx sweetheart for sharing your experiences FOR OTHERS TO LEARN FROM!
Regards all m m m motek
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Thank you motek. TBH I should have spent more time in the forums before I started making my purchases instead I did the opposite. Im glad I didnt make any extravagant orders before spending time here.
I really should add that it remains to be seen yet if FE will get me what I want or not in the end. I have not given up faith in the vendors yet as its far too early. If these vendors do come through I will be sure to note that I FE and did in fact receive my items. I think all to often people will put more details in their reviews if they are unhappy as opposed to if they are happy. Sometimes we (humans) are all too quick to complain about someone but we fall short when it comes to complimenting.
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If these vendors do come through I will be sure to note that I FE and did in fact receive my items. I think all to often people will put more details in their reviews if they are unhappy as opposed to if they are happy. Sometimes we (humans) are all too quick to complain about someone but we fall short when it comes to complimenting.
Yep, definitely ::) Thanks for your honesty ...it WILL help others who are 'still learning' the "rope of the road" lol ;D You got some +1 love from me babe, just be 'thoughtful' and you'll be right ;)
cheers
m m m m motek :)
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Yup, FE is just an opportunity to get ripped off.
BusinessAsAlways ripped me off for $100 in oxymorphone. Required FE, then sent me two different tracking numbers that were not for anywhere near my state, then admitted that he has a hard time keeping track of things and that this is a good learning experience for me to not FE.
This guy is still selling here. His feedback thread is linked in my profile with the entire history of our messages to one another where it is onbvious he fucked up and forgot to send my package.
SkippyJif also required FE and ripped me off.
CharlieMustThrive was honest and although required FE, he delivered. He accidentally sent me a big ball of heroin instead of the OC's I had ordered. He asked me to forward it on to where it was supposed to go and that he would make it up to me. He sent me three extra 30mg OC's for the hassle. A mistake, but honest and fixed it.
Then I have had two other purchases drag on, but kept in escrow. One though he sent me stuff, but finally decided that he couldn't find any record of actually shipping it so he offered to resend the order if I paid for another bag and FE'd. I replied that I would not do that and he then just cancelled my order. I never got anything from that seller and the cancellation was a bit less than I paid as SR keeps their cut.
I have another getting close to autofinalize but I have not got my package yet. I went into resolution and stated the facts. I gave five days to get me my stuff or I want a refund. It was marked in transit 12 days ago, then last week I got a message apologizing for not sending it and that it would go out the next day. Still nothing.
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I have made an FE order with PillPopperz, but nowadays there are stories of selectice scamming.
I can see my package is in transit with EMS but has not left India. I will not FE before it is trackable in my country. Lets see how this story continues...
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there "appears to be" quite a LOT OF SELECTIVE SCAMMING going on by "respected vendors!" .....
IDK about Any of the abovementioned vendors BUT when "motek IS sure" that when they 'are sure' you ALL WILL HEAR!
take care out there!
m m m motek
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About my FE order with PillPopperz...
He has put my order of 300 Zepose Valium in transit and sent me EMS shipping details.
***Track Result for:EM250422***IN (Pill Popperz)***
Booked at Booked On Delivered at Delivered on
NAGPUR BNPL 18/04/2013 Not Available Not Available Details
Detailed Track Events For EM250422***IN see
Date Time Status at Status
18/04/2013 17:02:00 NAGPUR BNPL Item Booked
18/04/2013 17:35:22 NAGPUR BNPL Item bagged for NAGPUR SH
18/04/2013 17:41:08 NAGPUR BNPL Bag Despatched to NAGPUR SH
18/04/2013 17:59:03 NAGPUR SH Bag Received
18/04/2013 18:05:58 NAGPUR SH Bag Opened
18/04/2013 18:05:58 NAGPUR SH Item Received
18/04/2013 18:24:52 NAGPUR SH Item bagged for MUMBAI SH
18/04/2013 18:47:21 NAGPUR SH Bag Despatched to MUMBAI SH
22/04/2013 ??? Why has this package not been shipped from Mumbai to EU??? <SCAM>
These are absolute fake EMS status updates. Once shipped you cannot "stop" an package like shown here.
I will now post a original EMS tracking status how it should be. I also informed PP that I will not FE till my new EMS code has reached the EU. But seeing his high rated quantities what about all other FE'rs??
Please comment here if you did FE and your Tranax or Zepose did or did not arrive!
Original Indian EMS:
***Track Result for:EM290925***IN (Dcompany)***
Detailed Track Events For EM290925***IN
Date Time Status at Status
24/02/2013 22:57:31 NAGPUR SH Bag Received
24/02/2013 22:58:57 NAGPUR SH Bag Opened
24/02/2013 22:58:57 NAGPUR SH Item Received
24/02/2013 23:08:32 NAGPUR BNPL Item bagged for NAGPUR SH
25/02/2013 00:46:54 NAGPUR SH Item bagged for MUMBAI SH
25/02/2013 01:03:00 NAGPUR SH Bagged in Transit Bag for MUMBAI SH
25/02/2013 01:08:23 NAGPUR SH Transit Bag Despatched to MUMBAI SH
25/02/2013 12:00:45 MUMBAI SH Bag Received
25/02/2013 17:26:57 MUMBAI EMS SPEED POST CENTRE INDIA Item Received
25/02/2013 17:27:41 INDIA Item Bagged
28/02/2013 14:52:00 AMSTERDAM INTERNATIONAL MAIL CENTRE NETHERLANDS Item Received
28/02/2013 14:59:00 AMSTERDAM INTERNATIONAL MAIL CENTRE NETHERLANDS Item Received
28/02/2013 14:59:00 Exchange Office Sent for Customs Verification
So the big question is how many of you got SCAMMED with his FE dealzzzzz....
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makes sense to me