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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: rule175 on January 09, 2012, 03:57 am
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Hey guys,
I just spotted a new mdma vendor going by the name JabberWockyLover (http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/5840). It looks like he has had some good transactions, but it's a little suspicious that the account is seven months old, yet his first feedback came in yesterday. I'm guessing he bought the account off of someone else. He does require new buyers to finalize early, but so far, only a couple of his feedbacks are from early finalizes.
I'll direct him to this thread so hopefully we can get some reviews up on here.
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I saw his meth listing and did a search for his name...found only this thread...not a confidence-builder. He has 11 transactions in 7 months. I have been a member that long, and I have more transactions as a buyer.
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I'll try the meth if I don't have to finalize early. Would be nice to have another vendor. I'll believe it when it's in my mailbox.
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I'll believe it when it's in my mailbox.
So, you ordered? Keep us posted.
I've been burned twice here and both were with meth.
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I might go out on a limb as Paperchasing is not up on ivory or Mitanox M.
I will PM and ask the vendor to check in here, and to accept my sterling buyer stats, so I may keep within escrow.
We shall see.....the language and style of his main page is somewhat reminiscent of SeriousSam - but that's probably just my paranoia.
let give a new vendor a try. Within escrow.
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Maybe they purchased the account, and then learned they weren't as secure as they needed to be, and it took some time to get setup properly? Just a thought. It almost happened to me, but I was saved by the forums.
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I'll believe it when it's in my mailbox.
So, you ordered? Keep us posted.
I've been burned twice here and both were with meth.
I feel you. Felt like I got ripped off once on here, and yup - it was meth. I say, "felt like" because who knows what happened to the package. All I know is the meth's not in my pipe and my money's not in my account.
Feel ripped off.
I'll Tell you another story. I knew this kid for 4 years on the net through some videogame. He'd tell me stories about slinging meth, getting raided, smoking meth, and slinging more meth. After successful transfers on SR I thought, "hey, maybe this kid can hook me up - he can be my first irl connect!". I then instant messaged him about maybe "mailing" me some stuff if I sent him cash. So like a good little boyscout I sent him some cash through the mail.
Those meth dealers swear by scout's honor too right?
No! there is no honor among meth dealers, particularly one's that use. I wish I was a violent socialpath, the kind of people that fly over to a "friend's" house to shake him up with a fake bb gun or something.
I have to admit that I'm too much of a pussy to do anything about it. Maybe if I grew some balls, I wouldn't have to depend on the net to score drugs. But don't worry friends, a few more years of meth induced brain damage and I won't have any qualms asking this one chick at work where she get's her stuff. She also happens to be my boss.
Ever asked a chick if she was pregnant and then you find out she was just fat? My boss walks, talks, and looks "meth" but you never know. Right now, getting ripped off on the net looks better than losing a job lol.
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Tell me something:
How does this add up (BTW< I have had no response to a question on being exempt from early final from the vendor):
1) The vendor has not even checked in here, despite being invited.
2) Look at this:
5 of 5 didn't want to finalise early so order was cancelled, good communication item 3 hours
5 of 5 Finalizing early item 3 hours
5 of 5 No complaints...Got here fast and his MDMA is great, very nice high. definitely quite pure. The packaging was very discreet also. item 12 hours
5 of 5 Great communication - thanx! item 14 hours
5 of 5 Finalizing before shipment as a new buyer, will edit this post afterwards if the package shows up or not... hoping for the best! item 16 hours
5 of 5 finalizing early as a newby buyer, but i trust in this seller greatly, will update on arrival. item 17 hours
5 of 5 Received in about 6 business days. A+ looks good :) item 22 hours
Look at the spread in hours......does it add up?
I am willing to wait for POTD or Paperchasing - I am not finalizing early for anyone. I don't need anything that badly.
failing all else, I will go direct to ivory, and cross my fingers for a easy ship.
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Well he has only 7 feedbacks that aren't from early finalizers, custom orders or free samples - so I suppose there's still a chance he's a total scammer. I'll be making my decision when the early finalizers do their updates.
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I ordered half a gram of his meth. Order placed early Monday morning, marked "in transit" Tuesday afternoon & I'm not finalizing until it's arrived and I've tested it.. I'll be back with hopefully a good report!
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I ordered half a gram of his meth. Order placed early Monday morning, marked "in transit" Tuesday afternoon & I'm not finalizing until it's arrived and I've tested it.. I'll be back with hopefully a good report!
Cool, I'll keep my eye out :)
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hmmmmmmm............hmmmmmmm. Sam?
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Yep, something about this is all slightly strange.
I sent a PM and asked for a price on an oz, the price was very good, almost too good unless meth is far cheaper in Canada than the US?.... only if finalized half up front, half on delivery.
I requested a photo which was shown but it was still inside a shiny plastic bag, hard to really see it properly, no actual shards visible closeup.
The whole time beforehand he was super quick to respond to previous messages, I requested a better photo of the actual shards but haven't heard back since.
I really hope I'm wrong and that all those people who finalized early have some mail coming to them.
Just thought I should share.
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LOL "something slightly strange" yet your contemplating risking thousands of dollars on the new vender?
i do not know which is stranger :)
but time will tell. no vendor is the same and everyone is quick to point their suspicions (with logical reason). New vendors are scary but thanks to the pioneers that are going out first and testing the waters we will see the vendors reliability. good luck to all that tried Jabber already. hope to hear good feedback.
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Well, you gotta be in it, to win it, as they say :)
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Shit, I would find another game to chance my luck at winning though lol.
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As any one actually been scammed by this dealer yet.
Perhaps before you say he is a scam, you should have something to back it up, his feedback looks very similar (though a lesser amount) than vendors who seem to be trusted.
Perhaps we should place a order with him and give him a chance.
I have placed an order and all his responses have been prompt and answered by questions.
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50:1 that nobody who finalized early gets shit, except a thorough fucking.
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If you are finalizing early for a BRAND NEW vendor....YOU DESERVE TO BE SCAMMED FOR BEING AN IDIOT. Sorry if that's too harsh....but escrow ONLY works when you stay in it. If you are a new buyer and they ask for early finalizing...FIND A LEGIT VENDOR...not a newbie scammer...I mean vendor.
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I sent this vendor a PM asking him to 1) check in here and say hello, answer some questions and 2) asked to purchase a 1g order within escrow. No Reply. he is not here in the forum (I sent the link), and the feedback on his main page shows many within 14hrs, 12 hrs, etc.
Does not inspire confidence. But, Im open to purchase if the vendor responds with a yes, to accept an escrow order. My buyer stats are impeccable - 0 Auto finalize, 59 orders, .097 refunds. last I checked. I am regular with Paperchasing. Needless to say, with vendors like Paperchasing, I have less need to gamble on these iffy fellas. of course, Paperchasing is not listing at the moment. :(
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i hear ya cgault. it would be a lot better for him if he would talk to the masses in the forum, but maybe hes a busy man with other things not all vendor are solely doing this as income. as for finalizing early thing its possible hes just small time and needs some time to get things going.. but one contradiction to that theory is that he says hes friends or working closely to the cook yet he cant work out product on the front to do legitate business? i dunno we can speculate all we want . time will tell and proof is in the pudding .. for me ill wait for reviews from trusted members here. ... still waiting priscilla? ;)
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I sent a message to the guy asking for some extra photos. He didn't respond yet. It was actually 2 days ago...
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i sent a message with basic questions 3 or 4 days ago and nothing
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Tick....tock.....dickery dock.....the mouse ran up the (feedback) clock. Tick tack dickery dack, another Canadian molly scam.
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I asked him a question earlier today about finalizing early and his response was almost immediate. His response;
"Most vendors (like myself) will require new buyers to release the btc to the seller before they receive the package as a deterrent to scammer buyers."
I responded with
"Does that not defeat the purpose of escrow protection for both the buyer and seller. Does it not go against SR's policy? How does the seller get scammed if the btc is in escrow? If you do require this action, will you sell a smaller amount to build trust between both of us. Like I said earlier. I am very leery about making a purchase on here, especially if I am releasing funds before I get the product. "
To this I have yet to receive a response. I would like to give this guy a chance and want to believe he's legit, but with all the responses here it doesn't seem to look good.
Can anyone recommend a good meth supplier.
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this guys such an obvious scam its not even funny. his first day he had 10 feedbacks all saying what a awesome vendor HA!
new sellers arent allowed to ask for early finalize u gotta earn that ability muthafucka! earn ur rep!
at least put sum effort into ur scams!
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mycoman theres only one other supplier here ... do a search in the forums and you will see his reputation is well earned
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Re-read the State of The Road Address, y'all. Sellers can still require early finalization. They just can't do OOE listings anymore, as SR wasn't getting their cut.
Almost EVERY seller requires newbs to finalize early. Some won't even DEAL with you till you beef up your rep.
Also go back and check his feedback, it's all being filled in with positive comments from the early finalizers.
Before screaming SCAM, wait til you've been scammed.
And if you don't want to finalize early, find another vendor, don't come to the forums talking shit like high school freshmen.
Shit talking only proves what kind of people YOU are.
Pathetic.
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Also go back and check his feedback, it's all being filled in with positive comments from the early finalizers.
Before screaming SCAM, wait til you've been scammed.
And if you don't want to finalize early, find another vendor, don't come to the forums talking shit like high school freshmen.
Shit talking only proves what kind of people YOU are.
Pathetic.
Answer: SeriousSam, Canadian (not that there's anything wrong with that), full feedback, closely spaced, promises, promises, scam.
That was the last time I finalized early, and my money stays in my pocket otherwise.
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So have the early finalizers managed to create a scammer with 100% positive feedback - or is this guy legit?
More than 10 days since his first successful orders, but not a single word about the quality of the products.
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I'm glad someone revived this thread.; there is a dearth of USA M availability. My main man is on the sidelines due to the re-jiggered SR %% - his wholesale arrangement was going through SR escrow and the new rate schedule makes the chain from supplier to final buyer like a 20% premium. I'd still buy from him.
back to business. RE the Serious Sam generalities , feedback that is so closely spaced, and the way the feedback reads, the request to finalize early - Sam got ME, jaber will not. See this:
5 of 5 Finalized early per request... item 3 hours
5 of 5 Finalized early as high reputation seller. +++ item 15 hours
5 of 5 finalized early to trusted seller. will update later item 1 day
5 of 5 Finalizing early for a well-respected seller. item 1 day
5 of 5 A+++ Seller. Great communication and fast delivery. Thank You. item 2 days
5 of 5 Finalizing early for trusted vendor. item 3 days
5 of 5 Finalized early since new buyer item 4 days
5 of 5 Finalized early. Waiting to report. item 4 days
5 of 5 Finalized early as new buyer. Good communication and price :) item 4 days
5 of 5 very good seller.good comunication.finalized early for him.:-) item 4 days
And the other feedback pages are just like that. Feedback by days and hours. Not right.
This vendor has a lot of seeming orders out there, we are a day or two away to see if these people are real, or of they have entered the victims pool.
No one would be happier than myself if all of a sudden, 12 people get their packages. Somehow, with the vendor not even tipping his hat here......I am not optimistic.
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eh, this guy has like 50 feedbacks and not a single person in this thread has chimed in and said he delivered. what is wrong with this picture?
i want to give this guy a shot, but I have a feeling that some of the even newer vendors are less risky than this dude. (ie, dubg, vroom).
which btw, are those guys on the forum? dubg's profile seems pretty legit... but if i were to try and scam, i'd probably say the same thing and send out rock candy.
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I believe that Tony76 has some reviews posted on his thread. Of course, who knows even if a forum review is legit from a person with 1 to 3 posts. I recall that a user named Electric Crazyman, with +199 posts may have stated that be received a sample from Tony76, you can chase that thread down or I can report back.
I have been waiting for Paperchasing to return with M stock. So much easier.
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PRISCILLA did you ever get your goodies? i saw you posted a whoile back and thought you should have gotten it by now.. id like to know how it was for you :) hope all is well for you
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I haven't been able to check my mail since January 18th, so it may be waiting for me(I hope!). I'm going to check it in a few hours, and I'll let you guys know if I got anything as soon as I sit back down! :)
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My 5 BTC says Jabberwockylover is BlabberNothingVendor - sorry.....for those brave souls who went out on the limb - it was a thin limb to begin.
WE NEED A GOOD DOMESTIC VENDOR. PAPERCHASING, COME BACK COME BACK. POTD, COME BACK.
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Yeah, my mailbox was still empty. I don't think my order is going to make it, I don't know about the rest of you. Good thing I didn't finalize early!
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I ordered 0.5g from him 13 days ago, and finalized early. Haven't received anything, and sent him a message 4 days ago, just to get some kind of confirmation he had sent it. No reply (as opposed to his instant reply before I had sent him the money). I don't want to accuse him of anything till I'm sure, so sent him another message today to say I was beginning to feel as though I'd been scammed.
I am based in the UK, and happen to know from long experience that the customs here are very lax, and that post from the US/Canade usually takes no longer than 7 working days. It is still possible of course that the letter has just been somehow held up, however I do feel as though people should be careful - about 90% of his feedback is from early finalizers, and he has a lot of it. This means that if he is a scammer then he is a very successful one, which somehow makes it worse...
If I discover that my suspicions are unfounded then I'll be sure to come back to this thread straight away to report as much. Otherwise I'll update in a week or so if I still haven't heard from him or received anything.
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i'll never understand why people finalize early - it serves no benefit to either party.
vendors, if you can't operate your business with a net30 (its more like net15 here) then you need to go work at shoe carnival and stop trying to be an entrepreneur. l2manage your books/money.
new buyers, don't buy from anybody who isn't in the top 25 vendor list, and start small - because chances are they will ask you to finalize early but these are the people you can generally trust. if they screw you, oh well, you're out 30-50 bucks. nbd. i have nearly 20 transactions under my belt and i've only finalized early once, and that was on my first transaction - i haven't been scammed once.
established buyers, go ahead, risk getting taken for $200-300 just for the chance at getting some extra product - but complaining about it here will just elicit grandiose lulz from those of us who aren't so daft.
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i wish the scammers here didn't make so much money :( problem is most people get burnt once before they smarten up.
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just hope nobody invested too heavily in the vendors wares... i think its absurd for a brand new vendor to ask for early finalize.... (except for newbies ofc)
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I, too, finalized early for JabberWockyLover, and like a few others in this thread, have not received anything yet. It has been 14 days. I've PM'd the seller twice over the past 4-5 days to verify shipping, but have received no response. At this point, I'm writing it off, but will update if things work out. Though I'm not hopeful as seller is in Canada and I'm in the States. Seems it should have been here by now.
Anyway, I suppose I've learned my lesson with this one. Although as a fairly new buyer on SR, I have been asked to finalize early twice and had great outcome. I probably should have done better research on JabberWockyLover before finalizing, and glad to have found the wealth of info on this forum.
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Wow. glad I held off, and waited to see all this ire!
Doesn't anyone remember the story, or the saying???
Beware the Jabberwocky!!!
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I feel bad for several folks here, because I saw it coming, I posted, and I was pretty sure, almost 100%, that this was a no go.
If you can't find a good North American Vendor, if Paperchasing is out of stock, then there is only one or two reliable choices, UK and German, enough said.
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I feel bad for several folks here, because I saw it coming, I posted, and I was pretty sure, almost 100%, that this was a no go.
If you can't find a good North American Vendor, if Paperchasing is out of stock, then there is only one or two reliable choices, UK and German, enough said.
What about Dopeboy? Haven't tried yet. I was also curious of tony76, his reviews are coming in, see anything sketchy there?
And I have 2 others in mind, and 1 from UK, other from GDR, have you had successful deliveries? Can't lie, I sketch the pond.
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No doubt Dopeboy is reliable - he has like 2300 posts from customers, and you cant fake that. 3Jane, when she is around,. Part of the dance, USA vendor, did good for me. We know that Ivory is solid, Juergen, Paperchasing is a reseller for Ivory and Mitanox, so therefore, Mitianox too.
There are plenty of reliable vendors. I happen to prefer Paperchasing due to in escrow and domestic shipping/. He is working out some issues, but I expect that he will be back.
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Yeah, I've also been waiting on PC. Had some when I 1st joined, but now just other stuff. Looks like our family to the north, then. Thanks for the tips, Cgault.
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Those who ordered, finalized early, and still haven't received his letter should go back and adjust your feedback:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/account/view_feedback
Change your score to 1. Hopefully this will warn off new buyers to hold on to their money and take his ranking down from 100%. If he indeed is legit and you receive your packs, you can always go back and adjust the score to 5 plus good review.
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JAbberwocky has not checked in to this thread and is not answering PM's - does not look good that those packs are just going to show up - but here is hoping.
There was one thing in particular on his main page that really made me think he was either the SeriousSAm or a scam clone - what was it? Aha! His shipping description. Almost word for word.
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He is now down from 100% to 88%. If you've already finalized early, change your feedback to 1, you can always change it back later should he be proven legit (doubtful IMO).
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My Radar is getting better, I didn't order from this prick, and I avoided Enderthehegemon, so......I am doing good. My only slip ups were Serious Sam, and the two orders that I made on maiden voyage here, and they were not even scammers, they were legit, semi long term vendors known to SR admin, and I actually had a bit of a orientation from SR themselves. that was worth those small loses - by the way, they were both in escrow, even with my 0 orders as a nooby. the resolution process got me 80% on one order, and 100% on the other...not bad at all for the first time in.
I have released early for two vendors, one is well known and totally reliable and awesome, the other was SeriousSam. I had my antenna up for Sam. and the order was just 75 bucks or so. So, I am starting to get better radar, and saw this monkey for what they were. Come back Paperchasing.
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I'm a newbie here and looks like I got scammed by JabberWockyLover for about $200US. Adjusted my rating to a 1 and he is dropping like a rock. Learned my lesson but am more bummed that I have nothing for this weekend. Dopeboy is back and can be trusted.
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Scam-sca-scam-scam-scaaaaaaaa-aammmm (set to donkey-kong)
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just made my order so i cannot verify yet, but for those looking for meth vroomvroom has been an excellent communicator so far and to me seems serious about establishing his rep... just to let yA=a know, he is a new seller tho so i will check back in.
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I'm a newbie here and looks like I got scammed by JabberWockyLover for about $200US.
I urge any and all new players to watch these forums and take care. I did not join the forums until after several months, and it was a mistake - although I have been blessed not to have lost more than ~150 odd dollars over my entire tenure.
The tip off? That early feedback for this scammer was too evenly spaced, too uniform in syntax. My antenna went up after no answers to PM (although answering PM is no guarantee of honesty) and never checked in here (ditto).
he also had language on his page that was semi remminiscent of Serious Sam , regarding packaging.
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Looks like we have been scammed - his page has disappeared - no listing, no feedback.
At least he wasn't around too long.
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Look up on this thread and see the feedback that I copied from Jabber,,,,,you can see, 12 hours, 13 hours, 15 hours, one day, two days, and the syntax:
"finalizing early for a trusted seller", I'll bet that very syntactical aphorism was started by scammers. Who knows now. Look at the other feedback, look at his vendor page. Etc.
any losses here could have been avoided. I know, its hard to get certain things in North America....but its almost a sure thing that when these guys don't check into a forum thread and hardly answer PM's....we can smell them coming.
The bigger problem is that now, there is an established formula to scam and get your first say....1000 BTZC sales from these early eager orders. And, I say, here it comes....
SR knows. I almost never criticize SR....on their ops. But now we have a pattern - and I posted a partial solution. Don't finalize early. Don't order from the questionable sources.
BUT....if you really really want to go out on a limb, when the potential scammer asks for that early final.....just don't. Let the order go into resolution. That way, SR will participate in getting you back some BTC.
For those vendors with unassailable reputations, ok, there is ONE I will finalize early for and I know I'm good with him. And, I will probably never again have to deal with a Serious Sam or Jabberworcky again.
"New customers must finalize their orders early" (radar) SO Don't do it. If you want make the order, but don't touch that button.
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good point i was wondering that too.. how is he a trusted seller when he has no real history? how can the first couple of buyers say "trusted" ...... what a silly vendor.... until her gets good feedback on the forums from "trusted" buyers im not pushing that button..
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I say that we narrow down the problems on SR scams to the least common denominator: That finalize link. That warning text below the link says it all, "The finalize button is final and cannot be reversed".
Don't hit it. The vendor will get paid when they sent the shit. If the vendor has attained "Emeritus" Status, and you all know who they are, then do what you have to due to overseas, cross border, etc. But for 90% of all of the new vendors - make that 100%, I don't care what the reason, this problem can be solved TODAY - don't hit that finalize link until you get your package.
If they ask for early final, and they have suspicious feedback and / or are new......tell them you will not finalize early, you can make the order and ignore the request, and see what happens. If they are not legit, you will go into the resolution process, and that is best way to get SR on the ball.
I can't think of a better way to go. Newbie? YA'LL LISTENING?
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I say that we narrow down the problems on SR scams to the least common denominator: That finalize link. That warning text below the link says it all, "The finalize button is final and cannot be reversed".
Don't hit it. The vendor will get paid when they sent the shit. If the vendor has attained "Emeritus" Status, and you all know who they are, then do what you have to due to overseas, cross border, etc. But for 90% of all of the new vendors - make that 100%, I don't care what the reason, this problem can be solved TODAY - don't hit that finalize link until you get your package.
If they ask for early final, and they have suspicious feedback and / or are new......tell them you will not finalize early, you can make the order and ignore the request, and see what happens. If they are not legit, you will go into the resolution process, and that is best way to get SR on the ball.
I can't think of a better way to go. Newbie? YA'LL LISTENING?
Really. I'm listening, and I heard you say this to a NEW VENDOR, who in this thread yuo say we should not finalize early, but in his thread "Looking good Tony.....building that rep. Look how much harder it is after those stupid thieves started this scam idiocy. You have a good balance to ask certain initial orders to early final, and other more established buyers remain escrow. It's the best compromise I have seen. It allows even newbies to earn their way into being established buyers. "
So, which is it?
tony made me finalize early, and I have good buyer stats. I am also the only person he didn't respond to in his thread.
So, should newbs not finalize early? Or should they for vendors like tony, who apparently make your grade of forcing people to finalize early?
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I'm trying to give credit for a guy giving some guidelines.....but you are right, it's not 100% logical.
No one is forcing anyone. Really.
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OK, you're right, "force" is too strong a word. But if I didn't, then I get nothing. If I do, I have a chance, 50/50, of getting it. Reviews are looking good, but I did find it odd that he made a point to personally reply to everyone, even if it wasn't a review, except for me.
But your contradiction is what I as pointing out. On this thread you give very tight guidelines to newbs about how to be safe by not finalizing early. But in another thread, you condone a seller requiring newbs to finalize early. It is just confusing to those newbs if they happen to read both of your posts. Like I did.
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You did catch me in an inconsistency. I am walking a tightrope between all and nothing, and Tony at least gave a guidelines. But I am warming more and more to just not hitting finalize, even when the vendor asks for it.
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It's all good. Your intentions are benevolent, it seems.
As for T76, at this point, I think I'd have rather EF'd with him, than FlubbercockLover, here. What a douche.
At least T's reviews are starting to pour in, so I'm holding on to faith for the time being.
I am walking a tightrope between all and nothing
Sick.
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Hey SuperDimitri,
I apologize if i skipped over a message you sent me in one of the threads on here. Please understand that i am extremely busy filling orders and if i missed your message it wasn't intentional. Also, i respond to messages within a few hours for the most part unless i'm sleeping. If you have a question or concern, feel free to message me and i'll get back to you as soon as possible.
Cheers!
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Escrow. Believe in it.
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Amen - a better "sound bite" than, "take the Escrow pledge".
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Escrow. Believe in it.
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Placed a small order with jab-cock-lover, very early even though I knew he was new.
I think new sellers need a chance to prove themselves too, but to ask for early final is a big sign of a scam.
In my humble opinion, it's the established sellers who've earned a right to ask Newbs and Overseas to finalise early, but many of the bigger / more reliable guys don't ask anyway, go figure.
Have placed an order with another newish seller here who is also asking me to final early due to my weak/new/poor record (not logged into the road, can' remember exact words)
Funny thing is I have been a member for three or for times as long as this guy, and have almost twice as many successful purchases than he has had sales, no refunds and a very low auto-final rate. So now I'm wondering if he's a scammer too,or going to turn into one once enough orders are pending, the same way slappy did - yeah, final'd early for the slapster months ago and blew $200, or didn't blow it maybe? haha
Escrow is King.
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Yeah, totally, with guys like Ivory, paperchasing, etc, it almost doesn't even matter when you finalize. But still, its nice when even the established long term vendors allow full duty cycle escrow.
And for my part, I always hit that finalize link the minute I can log in and post the feedback.