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Title: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: JohnDillinger on November 06, 2011, 06:29 am
I just wanted to see what the buyers feel and think about opiate pill prices.
For instance street price: lower end-higher end
10mg vic 3-6$
Oxy per mg .50-.75$ a mg or 40mg for 20$-30$
2$-4$ for a  5-10mg perc
Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: KingJoey on November 06, 2011, 06:53 am
I think some people are really pushing it.

Prices are insane in many places.

Just 2-3 years ago I actually paid $6 for 100 30mg roxies. Now yes I live in the roxie state but still. Just a few years ago roxie 30s were normally $10 if u got a good deal, $12 if u got a regular deal, $15 if you were a high school kid, $20 if your just like a retard or something

Today I see these things going for $25.

Opanas I see going for $1 1mg yea right insane......

Now deliuidis are prolly twice the dollar per milligram but in this case I think its fair 2 pay it.

Fentynal patches are way to much also.

And were are the fental lolly pops at?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: towelie on November 06, 2011, 07:18 am
you know you're not going to get street prices on here, because it's not the street, it's the ROAD.
I've always thought the price per mg here was very reasonable considering the circumstances. But lately it seems as if things have gone a bit higher than usual.
It's probably good they are a little higher. helps keep me in check. ;)


Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: E=daveC² on November 06, 2011, 11:15 am
It's definitely not worth a $1 per mg for some pills like Vics or Percs. I don't mind paying more for Opanas or Dilaudids. The oxy IR's are somewhat expensive. I bought a couple but they're too much to afford all the time. There was 10mg Opana for almost $40 listed. If it's IR, it's might be worth it. Sometimes it's cheaper to buy illegal dope than legal scripts.

The stimulant pills are overpriced too. They're also about $1 a mg. I can buy 100mg of Adderall for the about the same cost as 500mg of meth. ???

$.50 a mg would be nice but that's a dream. If you buy quantity prices are more reasonable, but I don't have the money for that. The costs of doing business on SR are high and there isn't enough competition or supply to lower prices. People must be paying or the vendors would drop the prices.

We should start a buyers union to purchase in bulk to save money. The extra shipping and hassle would only be worth it if the savings were large enough.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: PriscillaMarie90 on November 06, 2011, 11:45 am
Yeah, they're overpriced as FUCK. I mean I seriously don't mind paying extra for things on Silk Road, honestly, i EXPECT to, but there's a limit..

But, I hate when people jump on threads saying "I CAN GET THAT SHIT FOR HALF THE PRICE FROM MY COUSIN!!!!!" or whatever, so I don't have much to say. If you CAN get it cheaper, then get it.

Unfortunately some of us can't!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: E=daveC² on November 06, 2011, 12:29 pm
I used to get pills cheaper but I moved away from my friends and connections. I don't want to mess with street dealers anymore and live in an apartment so I can't safely make or grow anything. I'm paying higher prices for the convenience, quality, and selection SR offers.

$.75 a mg would be more reasonable for most opiates and stimulants. If it's more than I think it's worth, I usually won't buy it. The only way sellers will lower their prices is if enough people stop buying or another seller undercuts their prices and takes their customers. It's business not charity work. Good vendors need enough incentive (profit) to stick around or they'll sell somewhere else.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: Brezner on November 06, 2011, 12:37 pm
Pharmville's pricing for 5mg Percocets is great, rivals street price and he has tons of it.  I love it.  TheOCGuy prices his Oxycontins great for me too.  I've also picked up 10mg Hydrocodones from Anchientlib at $.50mg which is fuckin fantastic compared to the other vendors.  So all in all, some vendors have great prices, but the majority seem to be definitely on the steep end.  I am not complaining, just my personal opinion and I choose to wait it out for reasonable prices to pop up here from time to time.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: MrDdroMcGillacutty on November 06, 2011, 12:42 pm
 :) I like the prices and believe them to be reasonable for what you get. Delivery to my door. No LE worries. I'll pay anything not to feel like crap and or deal w/LE. I think I can dodge the Coppers from my mailbox and back. I know for a fact that I cannot dodge them from the corner spot. My house is much safer.  :)

I DO NOT want to hear "back in the day I... they cost....I could...." None of it. This is here and now. Things change over time. Nothing stays the same.  As far as group buys and bulk orders go. I am ready.  ::) Here we go again! Lmao! Stop living in the past. Move forward, step up and get your fix.

ANYONE WHO HAS A COUSIN THAT GETS IT HALF PRICE, LET ME KNOW. LET US ALL KNOW.  ;D Lol.



Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: themunchies on November 06, 2011, 01:07 pm
If everyone started looking around at wholesale pricing on pharms they'd know why they cost more now...

I used to be able to pick up 1k roxis no problem....now, I'm lucky to get 100-200 a month at the price I used to sell em at. Go down to S. FL and start looking around. $25 roxis down there...believe it.

Opana is about to be like the OPs so we'll be SOL on those.

Everyone better get a good dope hookup. I'll be here with the powder, unless you actually LIKE tar...and yep, its gonna be a little taxed too...for the same reasons my homie dro just explained. We do all the leg work. If you wanna go walk around the hood with a .45 asking for dope let me know, I got a job for you.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: Bupebuddy on November 06, 2011, 02:12 pm
Prices for these opiates on SR are rape IMO.  But I do understand you people who do not have connects to what you want and the convenience factor.  With that said  I do understand a markup but not to this point.  I mean I saw someone selling dilaudid 4mg for $20+, at that rate it would take $120 at least for me to get off.  Fortunately I do have connects and don't worry about how bad these prices are.  I wish the prices would come down a bit but I do understand the supply and demand and convenience.  There are a couple things I would like to get such as fentanyl gel patches but at this rate I can't (or rather get cheaper alternatives).

As for the dope, I do see some competition arising and it is looking promising.  I also have connects hometown but unlike pharms dope is different from city to city.  I would like to sample dope from all different places.  I can't wait to see what else is out there as some of these prices rival my street price for some bomb!  I mean the shit I get completely dissolves with no heat and will rock me even on my sub.  I have other connects with lower quality that are much cheaper  but you gotta get that fire.  But like I said I want to sample and likely will here soon.  Just waiting to see how these new sellers stabilize.

I would like to try theMunchies gear but am afraid I can't drop that kind of bills.  I hear nothing but good things about him and have respect, just can't do it.  I mean everything I hear about bundles from the east coast is 12 stamps.  12 stamps to a bun, but he is selling them as 10 to a bun.  I don't know maybe that's how he gets them, either way it doesn't matter he sells how he sells and he is doing well.

Sorry to get off subject~

Peace
bupebuddy
Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: E=daveC² on November 06, 2011, 02:20 pm
Damn, $40 is a lot for 10mg. Oh, well. What's money really worth anyway? The ER's are too much trouble to shoot. All except a few low mg pills are changing to these shitty wax-plastic-whatever extended release formulas to prevent abuse. Even the IR's have more crap in them today like starch and fillers.

The Wikipedia description and bluelight instructions. Fucking internet.

Endo withdrew the original Numorphan tablets from the market in 1972 as the result of regulatory and market pressures and other considerations as it was passionately sought, by any means necessary, by some narcotics addicts. Until its removal from the United States market at that point, oxymorphone in the form of Numorphan 10 mg instant-release tablets was one of the most sought-after and well-regarded opioids of the IV drug using community. Because of its low bioavailability, 10% when taken orally, a 10 mg tablet represents 10 times the average IV dose in a single tablet. Known popularly as "blues" or "Nu- Blues" for their light blue color, the tablets contained very few insoluble binders—making them easy to inject—and were extremely potent when used intravenously. "Blues" were also considered to be especially euphoric; comparable to or better than heroin. Numorphan tablets, and the oxymorphone they contained, are the "blues" referred to in the film Drugstore Cowboy.

1. crush the pills very finely
2. add very warm water (as i said, they are starchy so the mixture tends to thicken when the water gets cold. DO NOT HEAT. just add very warm water.) The amount of water to use really depends on how many pills you are using. for 1 pill I will ad maybe 50-60 units. 2 pills about 80 units. 3 pills 110 units. Since you have the 10mg pills i DOUBT you need anywhere near 3+ pills.
Remember to add enough water to make the solution start to move like liquid when tilting the spoon. so keep adding small amounts of water until it begins to stop being thick and act like water.
3. stir, stir and stir some more. DO NOT ADD ANY HEAT. remember NO HEAT. it wont help. just keep stirring to make sure the oxymorphone dissolves into the water from the starchy binders. i would say about 5-10 minutes of stirring is perfect.
4. just make a cotton ball filter and drop it in. i always pre-wet my filters and then squeeze out the water and tighten it into a ball. this keeps it from expanding really large and makes it easier to pull up the solution.
5. pull up the solution through the cotton. I REALLY SUGGEST pulling up the liquid with a luer lock syringe without the needle on. or pulling out the needle on another syringe and pulling the water into it that way. it makes the water come through the cotton so much easier, seeing as the binders are very starchy and retain the water.
6. put the solution in another spoon/container.
7. do a second rinse by adding some more water to the pill binder. add much less this time, maybe exactly the amount you need to fill up a full 100 units based on how much you retained in the first rinse. or simply add enough so that the solution isnt so thick and can move around like water. when you add water the second time, all of it comes through the cotton instead of half like the first time.
8. stir for a few minutes. again, pull the oxymorphone solution through the same cotton.
9. add this to the other spoon/container with the first prep of oxymorphone in it already.
10. make another tight cotton ball filter and drop it in to the solution.
11. pull into the syringe you are using for injection.
12. prep injection site with rubbing alcohol.
13. tie off and inject. enjoy!!

Edit: Bundles were always 10 bags in Trenton NJ.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: Bupebuddy on November 06, 2011, 02:40 pm
I have to disagree about the opana er not worth fixing.  I can fix the ER in 5min at home with ease (until the new formula is released).  They are wicked too, seriously not for the novice they will floor you.  I use the isopropyl extraction method.

Remove coating with blade (do not wet or risk gelling)

Crush finely

Put in cooker add 2cc 91% or better isopropyl alcohol

Mix vigerously

I cut the needle off of two 1cc insulin syringes pull the plunger out of one and put a nice size cotton in the barrel and push it to the bottom

I draw up the solution with the other syringe and backload it into the one with the cotton then put the plunger back in and push the solution through into a new cooker effectively filtering the particles out.  (you will have to repeat this since there is more than will fit in the syringe).

Once you have all of the alcohol in the new cooker I put it on my glasstop stove and heat almost to boil and use a straw to blow on it to get all of the alcohol to evaporate.

What should be left is a thin white film on the bottom of your cooker

Add water, stir, draw up, push off, rush, NOOOOD!


Peace
bupebuddy
Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: E=daveC² on November 06, 2011, 03:23 pm
Thanks for the info. I saw an alcohol extraction a little different than yours and another where you leave the whole pill in water for 24 hours and the oxymorphone slowly dissolves. I didn't have the patience to try either.

The price is right if buyers pay it. There are folks living in places where drugs are hard to find and very expensive. The SR prices might be below street cost for them.

If anyone can deliver for half price, I'll be first in line. I need to spend less money here.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: b0lixtrader on November 06, 2011, 03:53 pm
Some are a bit ridiculous if not same old street prices. Would like to see cheaper prices for sure.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: E=daveC² on November 06, 2011, 05:13 pm
H and meth are cheaper per mg than the pills and work as well or better than most opiate or stimulant meds. Prescription meds are safer since you know exactly what you're taking, but to save money here you have to go underground. It was the opposite where I lived. Pills were cheaper than the illegal stuff. Some of the fillers in pills makes them more dangerous to shoot than dope.

The prices are too high for some listings, others are fair. New sellers often have low prices until they receive positive feedback and gain some trust. There are benefits to the seller other than simply profit from selling mainly high price items. If the least expensive bag is $100, it will reduce casual, infrequent, experimental users and be more likely to attract steady buying regulars. It is easier and more cost effective to ship two $100 orders than four $50 orders.
 
Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: Pharmville on November 06, 2011, 09:47 pm
I guess being the #1 vendor we are too obscure for most people to know our prices, so I will do the polite thing and hijack this thread for an advertisement (where there are two prices it is the lower price for a larger quantity):

percocet 5/235's     $0.80-$0.70
percocet 30mg        $0.83
old school oxy 40    $0.75
old school oxy 80    $0.75
ms contin  30mg     $0.50

and in benzos:

xanax 2mg    $4.00-3.50
valium 10mg $2.00-1.25

And those are our prices when the wholesale price of every single pill has *doubled*.  I hate selling roxis at $25 and I won't sell them at all if I have to charge more than that but the change in the pain clinic laws in Florida (where 85% of all oxycodone in the United States is prescribed) signaled the beginning of the end of the roxi era.  You think $30 is bad for a 30mg roxi?  No problem, pretty soon they won't be available at any price.  This is why I have worked months to set up a steady and reliable supply of old school oxys at $0.75./mg   Yes, five years ago the price was $0.50/mg.   And five years ago I was pay half of what I'm paying now.  So who took a bigger hit, the retail buyer or us? 

And just like @themunchies I used to be able to stand outside those pain clinics and pick up all the roxis I wanted for $6-$8 per pill.  They were costing $0.70 to fill the script at CVS.  Now the major chains in FL won't even fill those scripts and the Mom & Pop drug stores that will fill them are charging $7-8 per pill FOR THE PRESCRIPTION.  The street price IN FLORIDA for a 30mg roxi is now $25.  Last year, prior to the law change it was $10, and there was someone on every street corner with 500 in their pocket.  I can't even get roxis every week now when I'm willing to pay DOUBLE what I paid last year.  And when I do get them it's not nearly enough and they're gone in one day.

And Opana?  Are you kidding?  Show me a single vendor who can keep Opana in stock a whole week out of the month and charge less than a dollar a mg for it.   They don't exist.   Talk to the people who have Opana scripts...their doctors are trying to reduce them by half and get them to take methadone instead.  Tell a major cartel member that you want 2000 Opana 40mg and watch him offer you 25 pcs.  I won't even put them on the listings, they just irritate people because they can't get BTC's fast enough to order them before they're gone and the price is $1.50/mg.  Supply and demand folks.  Supply and demand.

When I first got the perc 5/235's the price on SR was $7.50 and up.  I could have put them out at $6.00 or $5.00 and gotten every single order to be had.  But I didn't.  I put them out at the lowest possible price I could so that the normal person with a job and kids who wants to get high on the weekend could have a good time for a reasonable price.  Ditto for the benzos.  And everyone puts up a post to bitch about prices and even though hundreds of buyers buy them from me every week not one person mentions it except Brezner, who just became a customer last week and got his first order.   Wow.  The gratitude is overwhelming. 

Ok, I'm done.  :)   Don't be surprised when Silk Road becomes a two-tiered environment where the people who buy the quantities, pay on time and say "thank you" end up with an entirely different pricing schedule than the people who come to the forum and start threads to bitch about the prices.  I stop by the forum exactly once a week now, where I used to spend two hours a day reading it.  Why?  Besides an overwhelming number of pm's to answer at Pharmville, it's because instead of informative, interesting, exchanges of information all I see are people talking about non-existent heroin and scamming.  It's boring, repetitive, uninteresting and, as far as I can tell, highly ineffective. 

Are there less scammers on Silk Road today because they are discussed ad infinitum on the forum each and every day?

Are prices going down because of threads like this one?

Just wondering.  I think I should leave now and go do something more productive. :)   I just find it strange because when the buyers come over to Pharmville to purchase 99% of them are polite, friendly, and happy to purchase the products we have at the prices we offer.  Coming on the forum now is like looking at a place that I no longer recognize.  That's really a shame.  I used to truly enjoy reading the threads and I learned a lot of things too.  <sigh>   I hope everyone has a great day despite the pricing issues.  have fun.  -Alex-
Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: kipperdore on November 07, 2011, 07:21 am
Well I, for one, thank you Pharmville for being a kick-ass vendor who obviously has a bit more than profits on the mind. You've served me very well.

I find it strange that people love to bitch and moan about prices. I mean, fine, the prices are higher than you would wish. But so what? Buy them or don't. You wanna plan a strike and see if prices go down? That is the most ridiculous idea ever on a website with such a high churn of new customers. Hey let's boycott Playstation 3s on eBay too so maybe we can get them for cheaper!

Just curious, what are these law changes in FL that are driving up the price of roxis? Also, why are the little white 5mg and 10mg oxycodones so rare?

BTW, a friend of mine sells 30mg roxis for $13, neener neener! But he runs out of his monthly script in about 5 days every time, so go figure.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: kipperdore on November 07, 2011, 07:36 am
Are there less scammers on Silk Road today because they are discussed ad infinitum on the forum each and every day?

I'd like to think that there has been some productive conversations on this topic. For example, people are coming around to the idea that "finalizing early for trusted seller" has begotten "finalizing early because everyone else is", as well as making vendors demanding early finalization seem more legit, and are thus coming to the conclusion that doing so (or at least saying you are doing so) is, in the end, counterproductive, as it helps scammers scam. So while the answer to your question is no, I believe (/hope) it may be a hesitant yes in the long run...

Sorry for being off topic  ::)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: KingJoey on November 09, 2011, 01:18 am

Now the main thing that happened is that FL put in place more regulations that prevented pain management clinics from prescribing them.

Now legit doctors are still seeing the same people as always and still writing the same scrips.

But 95%? of the scrips that hit the streets were comming from pain management clinics.

Heres how it works, I get an easily faked MRI, a real MRI with no damage shown, a modified MRI, or someone in the doctors office to just participate and say that my MRI was so bad I needed pain pills. I take the MRI to the pain clinic and these people use their "discretion" to perscribe pain pills.

Now, legit doctors spot fake MRIs 100% of the time, thats right every time. You know how? They make u go get an MRI instead of bringing in your MRI.

So now u gotta go to a legit MRI and they are going to send you to a legit place to get an MRI.

Ok so now that we cant give fake MRIs to pain clinics most people that were getting 180 30mg roxies, 100 vicidons, and 100 xanax bars per month cannot get a scrip for vikodin.

Legit doctors also prescribe more appropriate dosages. The pain clinics would literally give my friend so much drugs that im like dude you are 23 fuckin years old and your scrip says to take a 30mg roxy 4-6 hours. Plus a scrip for like percs or vics, usually a scrip for like a muscle relaxer and lastly for good measure some xanax. But the amounts of all of these drugs was like enormous. So much that it was unbelievable.

Now thats all gone. Pain clinics basically cannot operate the way they used to and the new system in FL has scared every1 off until they learn how to exploit it. But mark my words the Florida system is still weak and we will see a time when FL makes head lines again for pain pill farms.

But for now the regulations and laws are too new. Every1 is scared to be labeled as a crock doctor or even have their practice seized.

Normally LE doesnt target doctors but then they got smart and realized that the only way to stop the flow of the pills is to hit the doctors.

Doctors are not street smart people. They are police ducks.

So until the thinkers figure out a way to exploit the new Florida system we are going to see a difference in price.

In all honestly, I predict a rise in herion use. Like some1 else already mentioned H is cheaper than pills and here is the best part......

the buzz is better. Now right now pillheads are holding out saying no I wont do H but soon they will all be willing to do H. I have seen a rise

in H here in FL since they shut down pain clinics thats INSANE. It used 2 be that H wasnt cool. Now I know tons of people who are taking 2

hour trips 2 buy H. Tampa, once the pain clinic hot spot is literally flooded with H right now.

Title: Re: How do you feel about the majority of opiate prices(pills)?
Post by: kipperdore on November 09, 2011, 10:03 pm
In all honestly, I predict a rise in herion use.

makes perfect sense. politicians probably prefer it that way, too.

thanks for the comprehensive answer.