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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: seldom on January 19, 2013, 09:43 am
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I've ordered 1g of a product.
What should i do in case the mail is seized and police is contacting me?
- Admit that i've ordered the stuff.
- Deny it.
- Something else.
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Never admit to ordering it!!!!! Just deny any knowledge of it, and say as little as possible.
Be positive though - it will arrive ;)
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Never ever ever ever talk to the police. They're masters at tripping people up in their words, and they don't care who they hurt. Their job is to generate revenue for the corporation, not to solve crimes. The more you say, the more likely you are to utter something they can use against you. They're not kidding when they say that anything you say can AND WILL be used against you; excercise your right to remain silent and if you're not under arrest you are free to go or they must tell you why you're being detained. The master asks the questions, the slave answers them. Answer their questions only with your own questions or shut the hell up.
--My 0.0014 bitcoins
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Thanks, good to know.
I wonder if these letters aren't suspicious because they don't have a sender on them.
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Never ever ever ever talk to the police. They're masters at tripping people up in their words, and they don't care who they hurt. Their job is to generate revenue for the corporation, not to solve crimes. The more you say, the more likely you are to utter something they can use against you. They're not kidding when they say that anything you say can AND WILL be used against you; excercise your right to remain silent and if you're not under arrest you are free to go or they must tell you why you're being detained. The master asks the questions, the slave answers them. Answer their questions only with your own questions or shut the hell up.
--My 0.0014 bitcoins
Very well put ;)
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thanks =)
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The pigs are like blankets, they'll keep you warm...but they are dirty.
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my blankets aren't dirty tyvm
DENY, always deny
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I've ordered 1g of a product.
What should i do in case the mail is seized and police is contacting me?
- Admit that i've ordered the stuff.
- Deny it.
- Something else.
Just deny everything
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scared cause you going to jail.
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Thanks, good to know.
I wonder if these letters aren't suspicious because they don't have a sender on them.
No. Be wary but don't worry.
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scared cause you going to jail.
Laws where i live are not that stern.
I want to be prepared, i've never gotten a visit from police yet.
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Ordering domestically, especially for small orders, will make the risk next to non-existent IMO. As long as it is packaged with at least some stealth of course.
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Just to give a little more perspective seldom - if you ordered 1g domestically, there is probably a 90% certainty (yes, I made that % up but what I mean is a very high certainty) that even if your letter is seized, the police will not come to you. The USPS will send you a lovely letter that they found narcotics in the mail and are taking it. "If you have any additional information...blah blah blah." Never respond.
Of course, I am sure there are situations where police do come out for small orders, but from reading the forums, it seems to be houses/apartments where there was already drug activity or suspicious activity going on. You have to realize that people on this site are buying 20G, 50G, 100G, KILOS (breaking bad type amounts) for their customers. The police really want the big fish, not the small little guys at the bottom.
At the same time, I will tell you - never let your guard down. Always be suspicious and ask questions like these. Just trying to give you a little more clarity b/c I had the same concern when I joined.
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Using your right to remain silent will save you. I've seen court cases where the ONLY evidence they had was the defendants own words.
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1g is nothing to worry about. If your sure that it got siezed (love letter), you address might be flagged now so you might want to get another
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Spearwarrior, in a case where the only evidence is the defendant's self-incriminating statements, could the defendant claim that they were pressured to lie and to confess? Wouldn't that result in a smaller penalty than whatever they confessed to?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
watch that. its long but absolutely worth it.
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From my experience ordering many small packages is better than a big package. I never keep much at the house either, enough so if I have to flush its no great loss. If the cops truly knew anything for sure they'd have a warrant. Then its say nothing except I wanna talk to a lawyer. Some of these so called interviews they want to do with people are just talking tricks to get you to tell on yourself. Signing for packages is dangerous, by signing you take ownership of the package. Another LE trick is they spray the outside of the package with ultraviolet spray that can only be seen under a black light. Then, when you have it inside, they bust in, check it with the light, and the only prints on it are yours. Whenever I get shit I get rid of all packaging it came in. Hope this helps.
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We used to get love letters from customs when ordering sticks from Argentina back in college. They were never followed up by any LE visits. Just a long running joke of, "Got another love letter today!" Ordering domestically should be of no worries. Hang in there and have faith...
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dont say anything. period
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Never admit to ordering anything... and NEVER sign for anything...EVER!!!!! If someone shows up at your door asking you to sign for something say you did not order anything, was not expecting anything and will not sign for anything. Do not even touch package...you dont want your fingerprints on it...
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Deny Deny Deny.
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never sign, and it will have a return address. always bring a pen to the mailbox so you can write return to sender right away on it
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1g is nothing to worry about. If your sure that it got siezed (love letter), you address might be flagged now so you might want to get another
exactly what he said. 1g of anything isn't much for LE to come after you lol, its considered personal use and not distribution.
And if its domestic, you've got nothing to worry about.
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I think you have to say you don't know nothing.
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Just practice saying the following until you have it memorized and can rattle it off unemotionally: "I have no idea what you're talking about, and I'm not answering any questions without a lawyer advising me."
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cops are tricksters, they play head games and try to get you to believe they know everything you know and that you somehow need to tell them all about it, and even write it down. Never do that. If they knew so much then why do they need you to tell on yourself? Its a head game.
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no-brainer - just deny everything always
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Tell them you know nothing but youd like to pursue a prosecution of the mail service for conspiracy to distribute.
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say no coment all the way through it. in the uk the police are not alowd to interview you unless your lawyer is present so just tel ur lawyer that you are saying no coment and you will be sorted
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Hahaha your question is funny my friend. Play dumb, always. Theres a reason why thugs do it :)
There is no right and wrong when it comes to the law, as they dont play by that. Lie. Keep lieing. Tell teh coppas they smell funny, anything related to teh case is a bad plan.
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I keep all my orders to 1g or less, and they always blend in with my other mail. I have had multiple orders come on the same day and haven't lost one yet. I wouldn't worry about 1g too much.
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I've ordered 1g of a product.
What should i do in case the mail is seized and police is contacting me?
- Admit that i've ordered the stuff.
- Deny it.
- Something else.
This may sound like i'm being a wanker but i'm really not,but if you really dont know the answer to that and especialy for someting like 1g maybe you shouldn't order.
If anything get's siezed and they ask you to contact them don't panick do as they ask they might just need to confirm it before passing to a different courier,so call them tell them you've been told to contact them about package XXXX-XXXX because you'll probably be given a reference to give when you contact them,don't give your name if they don't ask for it,see where the conversation's going there's numerous reason's for parcel seizure not just drug stop's mostly it's just about changing the courier or something,but that does'nt apply to Uk post because we haveno state ine's to cross so if a package gets pulled in the UK its either because its not had enough postage paid or it genuily has been pulled if your a Uk buyer buying from the Uk your pretty much safe and just because it has your adress on it they cant put it on you unless they can find your order and as every order is destroyed after completion that's unlikely,just use a bit of grey matter and think about the situation and read it,just because a package is pulled it's not alway's a bad thing.
Peace
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when the police officer asks you if you orderd drugs online just lean over the desk and punch him
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If your asshole's puckered up in the back seat of a blue and white, it's time to pucker up your mouth too.
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when the police officer asks you if you orderd drugs online just lean over the desk and punch him
This is genius. It has the double-effect of creating a new charge that will quickly forget about that small amount of contraband they found, as well as giving you the smug satisfaction of knowing that you've slugged a cop. That's got to be worth some cred in the big house.
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Don't even deny, just don't talk. For 1G of product, you'll be fine. LE isn't worried about your little personal stash.
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Nice to see that people generally aren't having issues with small quantities. One question though - doesn't the substance type affect the mail service and police's response? Or, do most forces really treat mail deliver of marijuana as they do methamphetamine, heroin and cocaine?
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Hahaha your question is funny my friend. Play dumb, always. Theres a reason why thugs do it :)
There is no right and wrong when it comes to the law, as they dont play by that. Lie. Keep lieing. Tell teh coppas they smell funny, anything related to teh case is a bad plan.
I'd go further and say the less yo say the better. Agreed - yeah - nothing related to the case, but any lie you tell is another thing you have to remember. The more things you have to remember the easier it is to give an inconsistent answer.
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Cops are liars. They'll say anything to try to get you to admit to something because alot of times they need an actual confession to make their case. They tried tripping me up in a so called interview several years back and I just said "has a complaint been filed against me?" "Is there a warrant for my arrest?" "Am I under arrest?" The answer to all my questions was no, so I got up and left. Course I changed up alot of things that day, and they couldn't bust me. Cops are assholes, and I hope some nosy LE is reading this right now.
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deny that shit.
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I wouldn't flat-out deny it, saying you didn't order anything -- your safest option is to simply not talk to them -- talk to them via a lawyer. If you tell them "I never ordered that" and they (somehow) have evidence that you did, then you're up for not only the drugs, but lying to an officer as well (contempt of the law I think it is? I can't be bothered to google it). Just say as Tarnished recommended, "I have no idea what you're talking about, and I'm not answering any questions without a lawyer advising me."
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Just keep quiet. That's all you do.
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It would be called OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE...
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You will most likely never have to deal with this issue,the main thing is to check out the vendor's review thread before you order from them.
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NEVER admit to ordering the stuff. If they come to talk to you (DON'T go to them first!), just answer only the questions they ask you, and don't give any more information than that. Stick to "yes" / "no" answers and don't volunteer anything. They'll have to have the prosecutor's office prove in court that you ordered the shit and that will be VERY hard for them to do if you just say you have no idea why someone would be sending you drugs.
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Stay quiet.
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As everyone else said. Deny. :-X
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deny, lay low
yttyfk
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da game is to be told...not told to
ride till u can't ride no more
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REMAIN SILENT.
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deny deny deny motha fucka
but act cool about it. Seriously, don't be overly surprised or anything. Act as if someone somehow shipped a random package to your address, because guess what, THEY DID.
but don't sweat it, kazillions of drugs go through the mail everyday.
"I love the mailman, because he's a drug dealer, and he don't even know it" MH
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Anyone can send you anything for any reason without your knowledge, if they try to get you to sign for something, deny that shit too! Who knows, maybe some terrorist is sending you anthrax! Better to be safe than sorry. Also Signing for the package could give probable cause to search your house, even if they can't charge you with the package (if you have a clean house) if you order something like weed (and they find a bong, rolling papers, other weed) then they can say they have a reason to believe you placed the order.
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After claiming to not know anything... I'd get all evangelical...
Tell them that accepting Jesus Christ into their lives is the only path to salvation, that they must repent now etc. etc. ... tell them that they must come to your bible study class etc. etc. etc.
I'm sure if you do that, they'll want out of your presence asap.
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if you know its seized and are nervous of a raid just clean and remove drugs or paraphernalia from the house for awhile then atleast you can deny it easier then a drug filled house ;) good luck
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take an hour out of your life and youtube "dont talk to police"
Nice tip! also check out "messing with police" (not like it sounds) just regular citizens using the bill of rights to explain all the things cops have the legal ability to do to you (i.e. lie to you) and the ways you can legally tell them to piss off by knowledgeably using the rights that has been granted to you. (For U.S. Residents)
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resurrected
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Done 3 transactions so far. Not even close to getting siezed. So good luck.
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just shut up & ask to call your lawyer.
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admit to nothing, say nothing as people have said. Unless they have proof you that is was sent to you intentionally.... which it wasn't was it??
Odds on you won't receive any guff for a gram. Maybe a letter saying hey please come and pick up this package we have for you.... which you would just ignore!
Stay safe people it's a jungle out there
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I've ordered 1g of a product.
What should i do in case the mail is seized and police is contacting me?
- Admit that i've ordered the stuff.
- Deny it.
- Something else.
always, ALWAYS just admit to ordering the stuff. the police are known for their compassion and will always do everything they can to make sure you avoid hefty fines and irrational prison sentences so long as you've learned your lesson and promise not to do it again. Hope this helps, bro.
^sarcasm
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my package got seized (100 benzo pills).. click on the link to read my story and lemme kn ow what u guys think is gona happen next , im realli buggin out right now.................
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=126314.0
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my package got seized (100 benzo pills).. click on the link to read my story and lemme kn ow what u guys think is gona happen next , im realli buggin out right now.................
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=126314.0
i dont think you have much to worry about...plausible deniability n all..
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my package got seized (100 benzo pills).. click on the link to read my story and lemme kn ow what u guys think is gona happen next , im realli buggin out right now.................
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=126314.0
your reaction to any questioning should be, "What Mail?"
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I disagree with denying. I think you shouldn't say anything.
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DENY EVERYTHING
Keep your mouth shut as much as possible.
Dont believe anything those LEOs tell you- and dont be intimidated by anything they say.
If youre under arrest plea the 5th, otherwise the only answer you should give them is" I dont know".
You may have to go to jail..... dont freak out about it, be patient. If youve made a life choice to use drugs you should have accepted that you may end up in the joint at some time- besides, you new the job was dangerous when you took it bock bock bock
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Denying is no more useful than saying nothing and could actual cause many more problems.
KEEP YOUR TRAP SHUT
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Depends on what is seized. Lets say If it's only a gram of cocaine you should be fine, the worst case scenario that could happen to you is getting a letter saying your 'suspicious package has been seized and destroyed' or something along those lines. I'm not sure if they flag the house it was sent to if it's the first time drugs were found to be sent to that address. I know they do flag homes after they find drugs being sent to your home, so if your package gets seized, expect your home to be flagged (most likely) which will cause all packages from outside the country/state that are sent to you opened and thoroughly checked. (But that may not be the case, it all depends on the customs and if they are willing to waste their time on investigating you). And I don't think that happens very often with small shipments of drugs. If you order more than a gram, or an ounce of cocaine and it gets seized; get a lawyer ASAP.
The best advice I can give anyone when ordering drugs in quantities larger than a gram, etc. (in ounces), is to find an abandoned house (not falling apart, but a house that is for lease or sale) and get all your drugs sent to that address under a fake name. After it arrives go and collect it from the mailbox, always watch for the law when going to collect the package, you never know. This is probably the oldest trick in the book when dealing with higher quantities of drugs, it removes some of the risk - but it may not always be the case. Or if you are extremely paranoid, pay someone to go and collect it for you from the mailbox; I'm sure you'd be able to find someone willing to collect a package for you for $10, just go and find some crackheads. (Maybe a bad example). Also make sure, you don't get too cocky and start getting delivered package, after package after package to the same address. Three times is usually enough - then switch, and so on.
~ Cooler.
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Dont say anything. works 50% of the time, every time.
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Never sign for anything. I make sure I'm not even around if I expect a delivery, and get my mail at night.
If a "mailman" suddenly appears with your package and wants a signature, refuse delivery and say you
aren't expecting any deliveries, so just return it to sender. Then politely say thank you, but you have run
to grocery store, so I don't have time to chat. Close door and lock it, and say good bye.
If they refuse to let you leave, say you want a lawyer want a lawyer and have nothing to say.
Never sign... Never admit anything. Never consent to search.
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Don't piss your pants. Have a plan (don't say anything) and stick to it even while the police are telling you that you are fucked if you don't talk.
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I vote for putting hands in pockets and whistling innocently. Studies have shown this makes you invisible to law enforcement.
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good info
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When you order, use Your name ad your address. Your package should look exactly
like all your other mail. Never sign for anything. Don't even answer the door if
expecting package.
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When you order, use Your name ad your address. Your package should look exactly
like all your other mail. Never sign for anything. Don't even answer the door if
expecting package.
you should ask TheAdvocate, hes got a law degree lol
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It's the same as being caught doing anything illegal. DENY DENY DENY. Don't fuck it up for your lawyer by talking, let them do the work.
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put a diaper on and place your thumb in your mouth until they come
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act fuckin surprised
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Always deny, there's this cool thing called the 5th amendment
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Yeah like everyone else says. Don't say shit.
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Answer their questions only with your own questions or shut the hell up.
--My 0.0014 bitcoins
Perfect answer, especially loved this last line! :P
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just deny it is yours
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The police will be trying to press you to talk ASAP using any lies and tactics they can come up with. If they say they will try and help you out then they are lying not that the DA gives a shit anyway.
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Don't be so paranoid though- the police corporation has bigger fish to fry.
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Deny any knowledge.
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Agree with everyone else. Don't tell police anything more than your name. Get a lawyer.
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run!
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Don't be so paranoid though- the police corporation has bigger fish to fry.
Can you tell us how big the fish need be?
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If you believe this i have to friends who are cops one ex and the other homocide dective.Look up police budget for ammo they cant even afford to buy enough of it because their funds are so depleted.Look at the sad shape of our society we cant even pay our gov. workers IE our post office people.I would really not be concerned about your little 1 g package.Shit i wouldnt even be worried about larger amounts .Just be safe like many have said dont talk ever! Just i have no idea what you are talking about sir what am i being charged with (nothing) ok may i go about my business ? .Thats it .They will try many things to get you to open up your mouth.You are your own worst enemy.Keep saying am i being charged officer ? Even in cases where you are not doing anything illegal it can still fuck you up.Just say i dont want to get involved in this i have seen too much CSI and im afraid this somehow will get me into trouble when i have done nothing.Thank you officer and have a nice day
If they really had some probable cause they would do a something of a drop of inert drugs and when you pick them up thats when they get you .But this has to be alot .Imagine your the lead officer on a bust with 10 or fully armed guys getting paid like 40 $ or more an hour ,detectives alot more an hour,servalence equiptment ,paddy wagons the whole lot and they finally catch some skinny kid waiting for his package open it up and its 1 gram of bud ,or whatever...Believe me somebody,s head and ass are going to roll! None of these agency,s have the money or manpower to go after it all so calm yourself and enjoy your bud or whatever.
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Kudos to all of the above, but as a retired Supreme Court Judge, my advice may be slightly different.
At the completion of the minute they have established to you their identity, immediately begin to undo your shoes, place them beside the wall, remove your socks and on top of your shoes, or beside, whatever you choose, (I mean we didn't fight all of them fucking wars for nothing did we?) fold up your socks.
Then as you continue to mutter any of the previously suggested described 'eat me' scripts, pull off your shirt, fold it neatly and place that also in a nice bundle beside your shoes and socks.
Then, as you unbuckle your belt from your jeans, you may get from the police cops an unusual question along the lines of,
"Sir/madam or tranny, why are you seeming to be getting undressed?" to which you can quickly reply with gusto,
"I am not! And I stand upon my record on that to prove it!" at which point you must press 'play' on the nearby CD player which will cause The Divinyls song, 'I Touch Myself' to begin blaring out of all of the 1000 watt Marshall stacks (on 10) that you've had built into the walls of your house for just such an occasion as this.
The authorit-eyes may be a little confused at your actions by now, but it is crucial here that you must grab the bottle of Transendental Cinnamon Zinger Spray Relaxation Massage Oil and commence spraying it over every part of your now naked body, whilst emphatically adding the question,
"Aren't you sure you'd like to join me my darlings, it's simply too much fun for just one?"
You may at this point notice the junior officer get an excited glint in his eye, which, sadly, will be quickly exterminated by his more senior officer colleague's scowl as it's he who's seen it all before and knows it's nowhere near as much fun as you're making it out to be as you stand there, naked and running in little circles whilst rubbing yourself down with the heavily scented love oil, mouthing along to all the parts of the song, especially the bit where Chrissie sings,
"When I think about you I touch myself" at which time it's very essential for you to make eye contact with at least one of the police cops.
Running an ice cube containing thumb and forefinger round each of your nipples (and your third if you are so lucky) in a counter clockwise direction and leaning against one of your wall tapestries of Alexander the Great crossing the Andes by Elephant at the point of the song's completion is the time you need to start playing hardball with them.
Try to get an erection, if you don't already have one and ask them,
"Now, I'm sorry, I missed all that. What did you want again?"
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Deny everything, don't talk without a lawyer.
Even then, they don't have proof you've done anything.
Oh.. and get everything incriminating out of the address the drugs were being sent to, or to any address that can be linked to you.
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Deny everything, don't talk without a lawyer.
Even then, they don't have proof you've done anything.
Oh.. and get everything incriminating out of the address the drugs were being sent to, or to any address that can be linked to you.
First........Treat whomever your associating with, whether LE or postal authorities with the same civil respect you would give a stranger on the street. no need to suck-up or kiss ass. Don't antagonize them or be a smart ass, it'l just make a bad situation worse. Also ask......"Am I being detained? or Am I free to go?
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Deny, deny, deny. Esp. for small amounts where your loss is not huge (well, equally for large amounts, where your risk is huge)
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Deny til you die. Thats my motto. Also, if you suspect any sort of tampering with the package. Leave it in your box, you can even mark it "Return to sender"
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I found a case where a guy received a package and threw it into the trash because he had been tipped off about LE discovering the package. His throwing the package away was used to prove "constructive possession" because it convinced a jury that he knew there were illicit drugs in the package. He got convicted.
In another case a couple received a package and placed it in a couple of black bags and set it down in a mobile home they were staying in. No other drugs were found and they didn't talk. They got convicted, mainly because (1) they had the tracking number written down and (2) placing the package into multiple black bags helped to prove constructive possession.
Most people here aren't getting into trouble because of these things: (1) they buy domestic which is harder to catch. (2) east coast customs isn't checking packages and they just aren't having any bad luck that their package went through the xray. (3) small amounts and you get a love letter (note: a small amount is 1g not 28g).
If you get a controlled delivery then chances are you're fucked. Very few people have a delivery address that is clean and has a person that won't talk after being told they are going to jail. The police will put you into jail for simple having a package delivered and they'll let the DA/jury figure out if you're guilty or not. Making bail and hiring a decent attorney can be very expensive. The process can take a long time. Oh and police will not hesitate to claim that you said things that you didn't. If they think you're guilty then they justify it to themselves I guess. They want to "win."
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Just act dumb and you have no idea what they're talking about. A package came under your name. You saw your name got curious, who wouldn't get curious if something came under the persons name. If they come on a control delivery just keep in mind that they might know about the others also. Cops they like to fuck people in the ass and one package isn't enough unless it was a big one. So acting dumb and deny might not work.
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Don't say a word if you are arrested (AKA in the states, "Taking the Fifth". If not, leave.
Alternatively, if there's no way out... eat, drop, smoke, snort, shoot and supposit all of your drugs before they can cuff you! :P
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Just say you have no idea what they are talking about, and you need to talk with a lawyer before saying anything.
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SPAAAM
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sdfsfsd
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Act afraid. Very afraid
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Shit your pants then blow the pig
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best way to protect yourself? never sign, never admit you ordered, keep those two things in mind and postage becomes the safest way to transport restricted items of any kind
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DENY DENY DENY!!!!
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Ask them if you are being arrested. If you are under arrest say that you would like to exercise your 5th amendment rights and will not be speaking to them without your lawyer. If you are not under arrest tell them you are not interested in answering any questions and are done talking with them.
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Deny til you die
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just act like you know nothing, that's all
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i would deny everything