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Title: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: FlyingFuck on May 15, 2013, 03:30 am
I haven't tripped in over a year and was thinking about doing it again.  My favorite part of tripping is the visuals.  I was looking through the LSD listing but then I saw 25i-NBOME.

I haven't done 25i-NBOME before and was wondering if anyone on here would recommend it or LSD to someone who mostly likes visuals?

Also, when it comes to the health effects of 25i-NBOME are they worse than LSD?  I'm seeing somethings about it being strong enough to overdose on just 4mg of it is this correct?
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: PsychedelicSphere on May 15, 2013, 05:00 am
Fuck 25i-nbome, stay away from that shit. Take 2-3 hits of some good L  or just take some shrooms. I love the visuals I get from shroom trips.

They had this guy die after taking that shit at a local music fest I was at.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: Minchia on May 15, 2013, 07:23 am
go with lsd..

and inhale some dmt while peaking if you like visuals
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: Rastaman Vibration on May 15, 2013, 08:23 am
They had this guy die after taking that shit at a local music fest I was at.

I think I read about that. Or it may have been a different kid/music festival, but point is people have definitely died from it. LSD is the safer option by far. Its been around for almost 80 years and we pretty much know about all of the dangers
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on May 15, 2013, 08:26 am
EL ESS DEE. Period.

fuck the nbomes dude, there ugly.. in every aspect. I know L is much more expensive, but well worth it. Much love.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: Ballzinator on May 15, 2013, 09:50 am
If you have the choice, go for LSD. 25i is worth the experience though. So if you like to experiment you should probably try both. Be careful though, some unlucky individuals get seizures or allergic reactions on 25i. And don't listen to the 25i haters. For some reason they think it's okay for them to try to scare people away from NBOMes instead of educating them on the matter objectively. They think they're so much better than those anti-drug fearmongers while in reality they're clearly not.
/rant
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: SpeedCrunch on May 15, 2013, 06:04 pm
I haven't tripped in over a year and was thinking about doing it again.  My favorite part of tripping is the visuals.  I was looking through the LSD listing but then I saw 25i-NBOME.

I haven't done 25i-NBOME before and was wondering if anyone on here would recommend it or LSD to someone who mostly likes visuals?

Also, when it comes to the health effects of 25i-NBOME are they worse than LSD?  I'm seeing somethings about it being strong enough to overdose on just 4mg of it is this correct?

Stay the fu*k away from NBOMes  mate.
I have tried 25c a few time and to be honest the potential health problems that may result from NBOMe use is not worth it.

NBOMes fell very dirty and tend to make me feel very shaking/trembling and a cold feeling with nausea.
The last time I used 25c my right arm started going all tingly and numb I was starting to wonder if I was going to have a stroke.
After that experience I just flushed my NBOMe supply down the toilet where it belongs.
Don't get me wrong am not an RC hater I just think caution needs to be taken when working with novel research chemicals with no safety profile.

Stick to psychedelics with a high safety profile e.g

LSD
Magic Mushrooms (Psilocybin)
DMT

2C-B (I know it's an RC but I find it very safe....though not very enlightening)

If your going to work with research chemicals get a copy of PiHKAL and TiHKAL there must have books when working with RC's.

This is all from my personal experience I hope it helps.

Kind regards
SpeedCrunch
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: joywind on May 15, 2013, 07:12 pm
never tried nbome. but people have died from it. no one has died from LSD. When I trip, the knowledge that no one has ever died from the drug helps my anxiety if I get a bad trip.

So I would go with LSD
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: Ballzinator on May 15, 2013, 07:16 pm
2C-B (I know it's an RC but I find it very safe....though not very enlightening)
2Cs are not research chemicals.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: joywind on May 15, 2013, 07:46 pm
2C-B (I know it's an RC but I find it very safe....though not very enlightening)
2Cs are not research chemicals.
oh yes they are.

Research chemicals are substances with little if any scientific RESEARCH available regarding their effects (including long-term effects) in humans.

2cs have have been around for a while, many people have used them over the years, but there is still little actual scientific research on their effects in humans, so they are still research chemicals.

street testing isn't enough. we need clinical scientific studies on 2C chemicals.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: quorth on May 15, 2013, 07:48 pm
Fuck NBOMEs (again......)

Better if you buy LSD, or Mushrooms or 2C-B.

don't waste the magic of retake psychedelics after one year in NBOMEs  ;)
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: android465764E on May 15, 2013, 08:55 pm
I tried 25i-nbome recently. I was attracted by the cheaper price compared to LSD.

Fuck me sideways. Never again.
Muscle cramps and awful anxiety. Horrid stuff.

Stick with LSD, I know I will be.
An infinitely better experience.

25i-nbome will make you see stuff it's true, but it's fucking nasty.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: slirp on May 15, 2013, 09:18 pm
"Research chemical" is a term given to these chemicals so that they could be sold legally before they were legally changed to controlled substances.  But to some the term means other things.  Since it means different things to different people and because most of these drugs/analogs are now controlled substances it is a meaningless term now.

As for 25i-NBOMe I'll never use it after bad experiences with 25c-NBOMe.  Some people like NBOMe chemical but a lot of people hate them and they definitely don't have the proven track record of LSD.

I do however enjoy 2C-B.

LSD is wonderful though.  Go with that if you haven't tripped in a year.  There is finally lots of quality LSD available on the road.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: joywind on May 15, 2013, 10:34 pm
"Research chemical" is a term given to these chemicals so that they could be sold legally before they were legally changed to controlled substances.
maybe the original meaning . the meaning of words changes.  The term 'research chemical' has come to mean "a drug that lacks scientific research into its effects on humans". That's how the word is being used generally. So that's what it means.

But to some the term means other things.  Since it means different things to different people and because most of these drugs/analogs are now controlled substances it is a meaningless term now.
rubbish. there are useful and useless definitions of 'research chemical'. the definition you offered is useless. the definition i offered -- a drug that lacks scientific research into its effects on humans -- is both meaningful and useful. Is "a drug that lacks scientific research into effects on humans"  a meaningless concept? No, obviosuly not. So the word that signifies that concept is not "meaningless".

Now fuck off and stay on topic.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: Ballzinator on May 15, 2013, 10:37 pm
2C-B (I know it's an RC but I find it very safe....though not very enlightening)
2Cs are not research chemicals.
oh yes they are.

Research chemicals are substances with little if any scientific RESEARCH available regarding their effects (including long-term effects) in humans.

2cs have have been around for a while, many people have used them over the years, but there is still little actual scientific research on their effects in humans, so they are still research chemicals.

street testing isn't enough. we need clinical scientific studies on 2C chemicals.
"Research chemical" is a term given to these chemicals so that they could be sold legally before they were legally changed to controlled substances.  But to some the term means other things.  Since it means different things to different people and because most of these drugs/analogs are now controlled substances it is a meaningless term now.

As for 25i-NBOMe I'll never use it after bad experiences with 25c-NBOMe.  Some people like NBOMe chemical but a lot of people hate them and they definitely don't have the proven track record of LSD.

I do however enjoy 2C-B.

LSD is wonderful though.  Go with that if you haven't tripped in a year.  There is finally lots of quality LSD available on the road.
You're both wrong. Research chemicals are chemicals designed for research purposes. 2Cs were designed as psychedelics so they aren't research chemicals. 25i for example on the other hand was designed as a radiotracer for positron emission tomography. Many stimulants on the RC market today are actually anorectic drugs which have failed in testing for inducing euphoria and being too addictive.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: joywind on May 16, 2013, 01:14 am
Research chemicals are chemicals designed for research purposes.
How naive you must be to believe this. No, that's not the right definition. That's not how the word is used. You see, words mean what people in general think they mean - not what you think they 'should' mean. The word is generally used in the sense that I have defined it. Therefore, that is what it means. It is that simple.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: slirp on May 16, 2013, 02:15 am

You're both wrong. Research chemicals are chemicals designed for research purposes. 2Cs were designed as psychedelics so they aren't research chemicals.

You're right and so the application of the "research chemical" term to these chemicals was a farce.  They pretended to be what you describe.  That farce no longer applies since they can't even be sold that way.

I personally just don't use the term "research chemical" in reference to these drugs because it isn't accurate and doesn't apply anyway.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: Ballzinator on May 16, 2013, 11:15 am
Research chemicals are chemicals designed for research purposes.
How naive you must be to believe this. No, that's not the right definition. That's not how the word is used. You see, words mean what people in general think they mean - not what you think they 'should' mean. The word is generally used in the sense that I have defined it. Therefore, that is what it means. It is that simple.
Quote from: Wikipedia
Research chemicals are chemical substances used for research purposes.
There. That's what the term means. End of discussion. I refuse to use it like a twelve-year-old ordering designer drugs from the clearnet to his mom's mailbox.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: joywind on May 16, 2013, 07:46 pm
Research chemicals are chemicals designed for research purposes.
How naive you must be to believe this. No, that's not the right definition. That's not how the word is used. You see, words mean what people in general think they mean - not what you think they 'should' mean. The word is generally used in the sense that I have defined it. Therefore, that is what it means. It is that simple.
Quote from: Wikipedia
Research chemicals are chemical substances used for research purposes.
There. That's what the term means. End of discussion. I refuse to use it like a twelve-year-old ordering designer drugs from the clearnet to his mom's mailbox.
anyone can write a wikipedia article. quoting wikipedia is akin to quoting someone's blog. in this case, there is no citation given for the definition. The word isn't used in the sense you are using it. It's used in the sense of a chemical that lacks research into its effects on humans. So it is still (potentially or actually) undergoing research. That's how the word is used. So that's what it means. End of discussion.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: Ballzinator on May 16, 2013, 08:34 pm
Research chemicals are chemicals designed for research purposes.
How naive you must be to believe this. No, that's not the right definition. That's not how the word is used. You see, words mean what people in general think they mean - not what you think they 'should' mean. The word is generally used in the sense that I have defined it. Therefore, that is what it means. It is that simple.
Quote from: Wikipedia
Research chemicals are chemical substances used for research purposes.
There. That's what the term means. End of discussion. I refuse to use it like a twelve-year-old ordering designer drugs from the clearnet to his mom's mailbox.
anyone can write a wikipedia article. quoting wikipedia is akin to quoting someone's blog. in this case, there is no citation given for the definition. The word isn't used in the sense you are using it. It's used in the sense of a chemical that lacks research into its effects on humans. So it is still (potentially or actually) undergoing research. That's how the word is used. So that's what it means. End of discussion.
By that logic, MDMA would be a research chemical too. Heck, even cannabis is little-understood and still under research.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: joywind on May 16, 2013, 08:50 pm
Research chemicals are chemicals designed for research purposes.
How naive you must be to believe this. No, that's not the right definition. That's not how the word is used. You see, words mean what people in general think they mean - not what you think they 'should' mean. The word is generally used in the sense that I have defined it. Therefore, that is what it means. It is that simple.
Quote from: Wikipedia
Research chemicals are chemical substances used for research purposes.
There. That's what the term means. End of discussion. I refuse to use it like a twelve-year-old ordering designer drugs from the clearnet to his mom's mailbox.
anyone can write a wikipedia article. quoting wikipedia is akin to quoting someone's blog. in this case, there is no citation given for the definition. The word isn't used in the sense you are using it. It's used in the sense of a chemical that lacks research into its effects on humans. So it is still (potentially or actually) undergoing research. That's how the word is used. So that's what it means. End of discussion.
By that logic, MDMA would be a research chemical too. Heck, even cannabis is little-understood and still under research.
nope, there's plenty of clinical scientific research into both MDMA and cannabis. Certainly, there is enough research to decide whether or not it is safe to ingest the chemical. Try again.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: Minchia on May 16, 2013, 09:05 pm
Quote from: Wikipedia
In the late 1990s and early 2000s, there was a huge explosion in designer drugs being sold over the internet.The term and concept of "research chemicals" was coined by some marketers of designer drugs (in particular, of psychedelic drugs in the tryptamine and phenethylamine family). The idea was that, by selling the chemicals as for "scientific research" rather than human consumption, the intent clause of the U.S. analogue drug laws would be avoided.

= new untested compounds, labeled as RC's to sell them.

there exist also real research chemicals for research purposes,
but those aren't the ones we are talking about :)


cheers minchia
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: moonflower on May 17, 2013, 01:17 am
Quote from: Wikipedia
In the late 1990s and early 2000s, there was a huge explosion in designer drugs being sold over the internet.The term and concept of "research chemicals" was coined by some marketers of designer drugs (in particular, of psychedelic drugs in the tryptamine and phenethylamine family). The idea was that, by selling the chemicals as for "scientific research" rather than human consumption, the intent clause of the U.S. analogue drug laws would be avoided.

= new untested compounds, labeled as RC's to sell them.

there exist also real research chemicals for research purposes,
but those aren't the ones we are talking about :)


cheers minchia
+1 to you! keep telling it like it is. :)
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: Rastaman Vibration on May 17, 2013, 07:48 am
I dug up some links about those kids dying after taking NBOMe.

***(CLEARNET)***

http://jonathanturley.org/2012/11/05/n-bomb-man-dies-at-voodoo-festival-in-new-orleans-from-new-lethal-drug/

http://www.dreamindemon.com/2013/04/23/teen-dead-hospital-snorting-25c-nbome-synthetic-drug-bought-online/

Information helps us to make educated decisions
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: oldcactushand on May 18, 2013, 10:12 am
^ That last link is new, and as far as I know is the only reported death from 25C. Very sad. Selling this stuff as a powder seems inherently irresponsible. It is of course going to end up in hands of teenagers, and then it's just a matter of time before someone just says "lets have a line" and racks up a line of white powder the size of any other.

The number of people with scales up to the task of measuring out doses of this stuff must be very very small. Research chemicals like this are dangerous enough, no need to sell them in the most dangerous way possible.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: Notrealperson6708 on May 28, 2013, 12:56 pm
I agree with those stating that the 25 series can be dangerous.  I have tried 25i and 25b.  I would say that if you can get LSD, do LSD.  The problem, is making sure it is LSD.  With the ridiculously cheap price of Nbome's, it is very hard to be sure you are getting pure LSD. 

When I did 25i I was by myself.  I started with 1 1000ug tab, waited about 1.5 hours, and took another tab.  At this point, they both kicked in very hard.  I was at my house, sitting outside, watching a fire.  I found that the come-up was very pleasant, and there was very little body-load.  To me, it was like a good mushroom trip times 10.  It lasted about 8 hours, and the come-down was very easy.

Now to 25b.  I took this with my brother and his wife.  We again started with 1 tab (1000ug), and waited about 45 mins, then took another tab.  Again, the come-up was very nice, but the body-load once tripping was very heavy.  We tripped for about 4 hours, then my sister-in-law went to lay down, as she had to work in about 4 hours.  My brother and I decided to take another tab (my mistake).  He wasn't tripping as hard as us, so I figured another tab couldn't hurt.  I didn't notice that I was tripping any harder, but he did notice additional effects.  He decided to go lay down for a bit, and this left me to my own thoughts.  I was still tripping pretty hard by the time my sister-in-law got up to go to work, and this started to worry me.  I worried that she was still tripping, and had to go to work, and I worried that I was tripping too hard to drive home and deal with my wife.  This made me go through some bad looping, and made me feel very hot and nervous.  I started sweating really bad, and felt like the drug was never going to let go.  It wasn't until about 8-10 hours later that I felt fairly normal.

These chemicals are all about setting, and mind-set.  If you go into the trip in a bad mood or with bad thoughts, you will have a bad time.  If you go into it knowing that everything is okay, and realizing that it WILL end, then you will most likely have a life changing experience.  These chemicals are very potent....so start small, give it plenty of time before re-dosing, and make sure you are in a comfortable place that you can hang out at for a long time.  These are not horrible chemicals, but should be treated with respect like any other drug.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: hemolyzer on May 28, 2013, 04:00 pm
I have lots of experience with the NBOMe series and I think they can be fun, but if you offered me LSD instead hell fucking yes I would take that over an NBOMe. They're fucking dangerous. They don't have a safety profile like LSD and considering that a relatively minor miscalculation in dosage can be fatal I don't think anyone but the most responsible and experienced drug users should have access to it. It's not surprising at all that some dumbass teenagers have died doing it, but hey, that's just another result of our wonderful war on drugs.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: Notrealperson6708 on May 28, 2013, 04:59 pm
I don't think anyone but the most responsible and experienced drug users should have access to it. It's not surprising at all that some dumbass teenagers have died doing it, but hey, that's just another result of our wonderful war on drugs.

THIS!!! This guy has the right idea.  I agree that this chemical should NOT be put into the hands of the inexperienced.  3 tabs of this could certainly make someone who is not experienced with psych's freak out.  I can't even imagine what those who got it in powder form and did lines went through.  People really need to understand that not all drugs are like weed, and not all people can handle the effects of psychedelics.  I've been tripping for 10+ years, and this chemical made me question whether I should be doing psychedelics anymore (I decided I should...but still).

Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: C20H25N3O on May 28, 2013, 06:40 pm
LSD all the way
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: sleeptight on May 28, 2013, 08:07 pm
I've never tried RCs, but i heard 25c-NBOMe gives you the best visuals, so you may preffer that over 25i-NBMOMe.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: CiscoYankerStuck on May 29, 2013, 07:16 am
I haven't tripped in over a year and was thinking about doing it again.  My favorite part of tripping is the visuals.  I was looking through the LSD listing but then I saw 25i-NBOME.

I haven't done 25i-NBOME before and was wondering if anyone on here would recommend it or LSD to someone who mostly likes visuals?

Also, when it comes to the health effects of 25i-NBOME are they worse than LSD?  I'm seeing somethings about it being strong enough to overdose on just 4mg of it is this correct?

It seems that people either love or hate this chemical. I'm one of the lovers. I recommend doing diligent research and making a well educated decision.

As far as visuals, you're going to get pretty strong visuals from either. And like someone else mentioned, if visuals are what you want, you may want to check out 25c over 25i.

Short term 25i health effects (as in while tripping) your body temperature may increase. Pay attention to your temperature and drink lots of water and and don't be afraid to take a cold shower. 4 mg is not going to cause an overdose unless you go into the trip completely dehydrated or in some other sort of fucked up physical state. 4 mg will, however, completely mindfuck you, I don't recommend getting into that much on just a whim. Again, do your research and be prepared.

Middle-ish term (speaking from personal experience) I started getting some weird cramps/pains in my legs after weeks of heavy use.

Long term, who knows.
Title: Re: LSD or 25i-NBOME
Post by: estefi123 on June 02, 2013, 09:15 am
I haven't tripped in over a year and was thinking about doing it again.  My favorite part of tripping is the visuals.  I was looking through the LSD listing but then I saw 25i-NBOME.

I haven't done 25i-NBOME before and was wondering if anyone on here would recommend it or LSD to someone who mostly likes visuals?

Also, when it comes to the health effects of 25i-NBOME are they worse than LSD?  I'm seeing somethings about it being strong enough to overdose on just 4mg of it is this correct?

It seems that people either love or hate this chemical. I'm one of the lovers. I recommend doing diligent research and making a well educated decision.

As far as visuals, you're going to get pretty strong visuals from either. And like someone else mentioned, if visuals are what you want, you may want to check out 25c over 25i.

Short term 25i health effects (as in while tripping) your body temperature may increase. Pay attention to your temperature and drink lots of water and and don't be afraid to take a cold shower. 4 mg is not going to cause an overdose unless you go into the trip completely dehydrated or in some other sort of fucked up physical state. 4 mg will, however, completely mindfuck you, I don't recommend getting into that much on just a whim. Again, do your research and be prepared.

Middle-ish term (speaking from personal experience) I started getting some weird cramps/pains in my legs after weeks of heavy use.

Long term, who knows.

Oh the cramps, I got them too but after stopping use (a couple of weeks) they seized, i kept doing other drugs such as MDMA M1 AMPS so it is most likely an nBomes side effect, I also did tma-6 which is a psych stimulant like the nBomes (even though it is amphetamine while the nBome is a phenethylamine) I got absolutely no cramps, but oh god the vasoconstriction, never felt it on nBomes but i got really scared with the tma-6.