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Title: fingerprints ?
Post by: bbbaac on April 10, 2013, 12:35 am
do you worry about finger prints shipping letter mail things like speed, xanax, mdma. domestic only ?

Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: Green Camel on April 10, 2013, 01:22 am
No, we don't worry about fingerprints because we use gloves. I'm sure you will be worried though when one of your packages gets intercepted and you didn't use them. You don't have to use latex gloves either. Any gloves will do the job.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: 2513415 on April 10, 2013, 01:32 am
You have to be a moron not to use globes
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: medicalcannibas420 on April 10, 2013, 03:28 am
I use gloves on everything.....there are 3 glove changes when putting an order together.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: donatto on April 10, 2013, 11:35 am
GLOVES ALL THE WAY!!
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: aussiepp on April 10, 2013, 01:56 pm
Gloves!

Looks like I was beaten to the point  ;D
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: xpsbud on April 10, 2013, 02:43 pm
Gloves and many changes when packaging
Gloves when placing all packages into large new/clean bag away from contaminates and for.transporting
Gloves when dropping off to USPS or the person who does that for you

GLOVES  ;D


Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: wasta on April 10, 2013, 05:23 pm
On the freenet is a tutorial how to steal someones fingerprints, make dummy's of them which you can place on your own fingers.

So if you can even get some dna of that other person, you can place anyonyones fingerprints with some dna.

For most judges will that be enough evidence to convict the owner of the fingerprints.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: curiositymatrix on April 11, 2013, 10:04 pm
I dunno, this just popped into my head reading the previous replies:

Gloves, as if you've got a fetish for 'em!
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: californiadreams on April 11, 2013, 11:23 pm
Do you guys seriously think that LE is going to spend the time and money to get fingerprints off of a package?  Do you have any idea how backed up forensic labs are in every major city?
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: curiositymatrix on April 12, 2013, 12:33 am
Do you guys seriously think that LE is going to spend the time and money to get fingerprints off of a package?  Do you have any idea how backed up forensic labs are in every major city?

Oh, okay, I guess vendors can just do it all bare-handed then.

Part of the gloves / glove changes routine is to maintain smell-sterility between each step of the process - and that IS a concern. Triple sealing is useless if you handle the third seal with the same gloves you did the first.

Though its one of those stories passed around - I hope when vendors send letter-sized amounts, they use a damp sponge or something to seal the flap. I heard some story about a guy being caught by DNA he licked onto an envelope.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: californiadreams on April 12, 2013, 10:33 am
I agree to use gloves to maintain smell sterility.

The context in which I was addressing this post was whether LE would take the time to get fingerprints off a package. 

They won't
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: kmfkewm on April 12, 2013, 10:58 am
No, we don't worry about fingerprints because we use gloves. I'm sure you will be worried though when one of your packages gets intercepted and you didn't use them. You don't have to use latex gloves either. Any gloves will do the job.

Not any gloves will do, and latex gloves are especially risky. If the gloves are too thin they will conform to the ridges of your fingerprints, turning their outside surface into a rubber stamp. If the gloves have debris on the finger surface, pressing down will essentially stamp the debris onto the surface you touch in the shape of your fingerprint. Latex gloves are too thin and often they are powdered, making them a very risky choice.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: kmfkewm on April 12, 2013, 11:00 am
Do you guys seriously think that LE is going to spend the time and money to get fingerprints off of a package?  Do you have any idea how backed up forensic labs are in every major city?

Yeah of course they are going to fingerprint intercepted packages you fucking retard, there is an entire USPI lab for fingerprinting and otherwise analyzing intercepted packages.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 12, 2013, 11:00 am
Don't let paranoia and propaganda cloud your minds.


(The following paper was the text of a presentation at a training seminar for Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorneys on November 14, 1992)

This is an excerpt.

"Often, detectives are disappointed and prosecutors are frustrated with the lack of the irrefutable evidence of the suspect's fingerprints on a particular item of evidence, which he must have handled. It is unfortunate that, unlike on television, the �suspects� prints don't always appear.  A look at the factors influencing the chances of obtaining prints will assist in understanding the fragile and elusive nature of latent impressions.  Each of the following various factors independently or in combination can account for the lack of prints on a surface:  1) Individuals don't always have a sufficient quantity of perspiration and/or contaminates on their hands to be deposited,  2) When someone touches something, they may handle it in a manner which causes the prints to smear,  3) The surface may not be suitable for retaining the minute traces of moisture in a form representative of the ridge detail, and 4) The environment may cause the latent print to deteriorate. The most important fact dealing with the lack of fingerprints is that it neither suggests, implies, or establishes that any person did or did not touch the item of evidence.  Items which have been witnessed to have been handled and laboratory experimentation repeatedly reiterate this premise".
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: kmfkewm on April 12, 2013, 11:03 am
I agree to use gloves to maintain smell sterility.

The context in which I was addressing this post was whether LE would take the time to get fingerprints off a package. 

They won't

Yes they will. Why the fuck would they not. If a vendor is shipping drugs LE wants to bust them. If they don't use gloves, they will have fingerprints all over the package. If LE gets fingerprints off the package, and find a match for the vendor, then the vendor is busted that easily. Fingerprinting intercepted packages is possibly the easiest way to bust most people who ship drugs. You are god damn hopelessly deluded and quite likely fucktarded if you think LE will not fingerprint intercepted packages. USPI has an entire lab dedicated to forensics on intercepted mail. You live in a total fantasy world and obviously have not got the slightest god damn clue about reality if you really think that they will not fingerprint packages, so please do yourself a favor and shut your stupid ass mouth before you make yourself look like the biggest idiot in the world, again.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: kmfkewm on April 12, 2013, 11:09 am
Don't let paranoia and propaganda cloud your minds.


(The following paper was the text of a presentation at a training seminar for Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorneys on November 14, 1992)

This is an excerpt.

"Often, detectives are disappointed and prosecutors are frustrated with the lack of the irrefutable evidence of the suspect's fingerprints on a particular item of evidence, which he must have handled. It is unfortunate that, unlike on television, the �suspects� prints don't always appear.  A look at the factors influencing the chances of obtaining prints will assist in understanding the fragile and elusive nature of latent impressions.  Each of the following various factors independently or in combination can account for the lack of prints on a surface:  1) Individuals don't always have a sufficient quantity of perspiration and/or contaminates on their hands to be deposited,  2) When someone touches something, they may handle it in a manner which causes the prints to smear,  3) The surface may not be suitable for retaining the minute traces of moisture in a form representative of the ridge detail, and 4) The environment may cause the latent print to deteriorate. The most important fact dealing with the lack of fingerprints is that it neither suggests, implies, or establishes that any person did or did not touch the item of evidence.  Items which have been witnessed to have been handled and laboratory experimentation repeatedly reiterate this premise".

Don't let the fact that every single case can't be solved with fingerprints cloud your mind into touching everything with your bare hands. That is just beyond fucking stupid.

Why you don't need to wear a condom when banging random prostitutes in Africa:

1. HIV is not always transmitted during sexual intercourse, and it doesn't always take hold and cause an infection
2. Maybe you just get a blowjob, that has a much lower risk of transmitting HIV
3. Not ALL prostitutes in Africa have HIV in the first place
4. Maybe you are a natural resistor, something like 1% of male Caucasians resist HIV infection to such an extent that they are virtually immune

Saying that you don't need to wear gloves when you handle illegal packages is pretty much the same as saying you don't need to wear a condom when you bang random African prostitutes, and then giving the above list of reasons. In other words, it makes you look like a dumb ass who is about to get infected with HIV.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 12, 2013, 11:26 am
Don't let paranoia and propaganda cloud your minds.


(The following paper was the text of a presentation at a training seminar for Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorneys on November 14, 1992)

This is an excerpt.

"Often, detectives are disappointed and prosecutors are frustrated with the lack of the irrefutable evidence of the suspect's fingerprints on a particular item of evidence, which he must have handled. It is unfortunate that, unlike on television, the �suspects� prints don't always appear.  A look at the factors influencing the chances of obtaining prints will assist in understanding the fragile and elusive nature of latent impressions.  Each of the following various factors independently or in combination can account for the lack of prints on a surface:  1) Individuals don't always have a sufficient quantity of perspiration and/or contaminates on their hands to be deposited,  2) When someone touches something, they may handle it in a manner which causes the prints to smear,  3) The surface may not be suitable for retaining the minute traces of moisture in a form representative of the ridge detail, and 4) The environment may cause the latent print to deteriorate. The most important fact dealing with the lack of fingerprints is that it neither suggests, implies, or establishes that any person did or did not touch the item of evidence.  Items which have been witnessed to have been handled and laboratory experimentation repeatedly reiterate this premise".

Don't let the fact that every single case can't be solved with fingerprints cloud your mind into touching everything with your bare hands. That is just beyond fucking stupid.

Why you don't need to wear a condom when banging random prostitutes in Africa:

1. HIV is not always transmitted during sexual intercourse, and it doesn't always take hold and cause an infection
2. Maybe you just get a blowjob, that has a much lower risk of transmitting HIV
3. Not ALL prostitutes in Africa have HIV in the first place
4. Maybe you are a natural resistor, something like 1% of male Caucasians resist HIV infection to such an extent that they are virtually immune

Saying that you don't need to wear gloves when you handle illegal packages is pretty much the same as saying you don't need to wear a condom when you bang random African prostitutes, and then giving the above list of reasons. In other words, it makes you look like a dumb ass who is about to get infected with HIV.


There is a thing called being cautious, and a thing called ignoring common sense and wasting precious time!  I will inform you on what side you are currently on!

Really? Ok

Now if your using MBB the only layer you would need to worry about is the last, I hope I don't have to explain why, and you should be wiping it down anyway. 

This leaves the the mailing itself, which is going to pass through at least a couple more hands as it goes thought the system.  Every post office I go too, employees do not wear gloves!

I been in this field for quite some time.  Many family and friends have been in and out of the system for drug charges, none of them convicted over fingerprints!  They would laugh at you and probably shank you for being so easily manipulated by what you see on tv.  Did you even read my post?
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: kmfkewm on April 12, 2013, 11:33 am
Don't let paranoia and propaganda cloud your minds.


(The following paper was the text of a presentation at a training seminar for Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorneys on November 14, 1992)

This is an excerpt.

"Often, detectives are disappointed and prosecutors are frustrated with the lack of the irrefutable evidence of the suspect's fingerprints on a particular item of evidence, which he must have handled. It is unfortunate that, unlike on television, the �suspects� prints don't always appear.  A look at the factors influencing the chances of obtaining prints will assist in understanding the fragile and elusive nature of latent impressions.  Each of the following various factors independently or in combination can account for the lack of prints on a surface:  1) Individuals don't always have a sufficient quantity of perspiration and/or contaminates on their hands to be deposited,  2) When someone touches something, they may handle it in a manner which causes the prints to smear,  3) The surface may not be suitable for retaining the minute traces of moisture in a form representative of the ridge detail, and 4) The environment may cause the latent print to deteriorate. The most important fact dealing with the lack of fingerprints is that it neither suggests, implies, or establishes that any person did or did not touch the item of evidence.  Items which have been witnessed to have been handled and laboratory experimentation repeatedly reiterate this premise".

Don't let the fact that every single case can't be solved with fingerprints cloud your mind into touching everything with your bare hands. That is just beyond fucking stupid.

Why you don't need to wear a condom when banging random prostitutes in Africa:

1. HIV is not always transmitted during sexual intercourse, and it doesn't always take hold and cause an infection
2. Maybe you just get a blowjob, that has a much lower risk of transmitting HIV
3. Not ALL prostitutes in Africa have HIV in the first place
4. Maybe you are a natural resistor, something like 1% of male Caucasians resist HIV infection to such an extent that they are virtually immune

Saying that you don't need to wear gloves when you handle illegal packages is pretty much the same as saying you don't need to wear a condom when you bang random African prostitutes, and then giving the above list of reasons. In other words, it makes you look like a dumb ass who is about to get infected with HIV.


There is a thing called being cautious, and a thing called ignoring common sense and wasting precious time!  I will inform you on what side you are currently on!

Fingerprinting mail?  Really? Ok

Now if your using MBB the only layer you would need to worry about is the last, I hope I don't have to explain why, and you should be wiping it down anyway. 

This leaves the the mailing itself, which is going to pass through at least a couple more hands as it goes thought the system.  Every post office I go too, employees do not wear gloves!

I been in this field for quite some time.  Many family and friends have been in and out of the system for drug charges, known of them convicted over fingerprints!  They would laugh at you and probably shank you for being so easily manipulated by what you see on tv.  Did you even read my post?

Since you are clearly clueless, I will take some time from my busy day to explain to you something called an INTERSECTION ATTACK, one of the fundamental types of forensics (correlation is another!).

Let's say you touch the outside of the envelope and get your fingerprints on it. Now, as you are hopelessly clueless, you incorrectly assume that it doesn't matter because your fingerprints will blend in with the fingerprints of dozens of other people who handle the package. Now when your package is fingerprinted after being intercepted, the detectives find 12 unique prints belonging to 12 different people. Whew, you may say to yourself, I am totally safe! Now, assuming they don't zero in on your prints due to the fact that you have previous drug charges and are not someone who works in mailing, the detectives just wait. Now they intercept another package from you (or they order another package from you, to save themselves some time!). This time they get 20 unique prints! Whew, you may say to yourself, I am totally safe! Except now those clever detectives take the first set of prints and the second set of prints, and they remove all prints that don't show up on both packages (this is an intersection attack!). Oh no, now only your prints are suspect , because none of the original 12 people who handled your first package handled the second package! Now you are totally fucked!

You are obviously new to mailing drugs, and my money is on you being busted in no time if you really don't wear gloves. Welcome to forensics 101.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: kmfkewm on April 12, 2013, 11:37 am
ps: how many of your frequently busted friends and family were busted for anonymously mailing drugs? Guess what, it's a different threat model. Comparing what your insecure enough to get frequently busted friends and family do to what your insecure enough to not wear gloves self does is comparing insecure apples and oranges. Obviously fingerprints are not going to be the most likely thing to get a traditional dealer busted, because they hand off drugs themselves, so obviously they will just get busted by an undercover or in a controlled buy.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 12, 2013, 11:42 am
more like bullshit 101.  send me some numbers of people busted because their prints were on a package!  If you get busted mailing drugs, It ain't your prints alone that will bring you down.  You are already fucked my man!
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: kmfkewm on April 12, 2013, 11:45 am
https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/aboutus/lab.aspx

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Forensic Laboratory Services

The U.S. Postal Inspection Service maintains a state-of-the-art National Forensic Laboratory in Dulles, VA, comprising highly trained forensic scientists and technical specialists who play a key role in identifying, apprehending, prosecuting, and convicting individuals responsible for postal-related criminal offenses. Its mission is to provide scientific and technical expertise to the criminal and security investigations of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service. Laboratory services are divided into the units described below.

Photo of the National Forensic Laboratory

Questioned Documents Unit
The Questioned Document Unit provides technical assistance to Postal Inspectors who are investigating suspected violations of postal statutes. Document Analysts process requests from Inspectors to determine the authenticity of questioned or disputed documents. Analysts determine authenticity through the following procedures:

    Comparing "questioned" and "known" handwriting, typewriting, commercial printing, and other machine or mechanical impressions.
    Analyzing paper and ink.
    Restoring eradicated and obliterated impressions.
    Visualizing indented handwriting impressions.
    Detecting altered and counterfeit impressions.

Fingerprint Unit
The Fingerprint Unit provides technical assistance to Postal Inspectors who are investigating suspected violations of postal statutes by identifying suspects who have handled items of evidence. Latent Print Analysts are responsible for the following activities:

    Developing latent (invisible) prints on evidence.
    Comparing a latent print to a known fingerprint, palm print or footprint of suspects.
    Preparing charts demonstrating identifying features of "questioned" and "known" prints.
    Testifying in court to latent print identification.

The Fingerprint Unit interfaces with numerous automated fingerprint identification systems nationwide to assist in matching latent prints with local offenders.

Physical Sciences Unit
The Physical Sciences Unit, which includes a Physical Evidence and a Chemistry section, provides scientific support to the U.S. Postal Inspection Service offices nationwide. Analysts in this unit are engaged in a variety of functions, as follows:

    Conducting chemical analyses.
    Performing physical examinations and comparisons.
    Providing expert testimony in court.
    Processing crime scenes.
    Training Postal Inspectors.
    Interacting with other forensic science professionals.

Analysts in the Physical Evidence section conduct chemical analyses, examinations, and comparisons of these materials:

    Bomb debris and intact explosives.
    Firearms, tool marks, shoe, and tire impressions.
    Trace evidence such as adhesives, fibers, hair, paint, paper, plastic, rubber, and insulation from safes and tape.
    An accelerant from suspected arson fires.
    Serial number restorations.
    Tampered U.S. Postal Service equipment and mail.

The Chemistry section supports Postal Inspectors across the country by analyzing materials suspected of being controlled substances. Some of the more common controlled substances found in the mail include the following items:

    Cocaine
    Heroin
    LSD
    PCP
    Amphetamine
    Marijuana

Forensic Chemists conduct a variety of chemical analyses and testify to their findings in court, including the following:

    High-performance liquid chromatography (normal and reverse phase).
    Mass spectrophotometry (chemical impact and electron ionization).
    Gas chromatography.
    Four

Digital Evidence Unit
The Digital Evidence Unit has offices throughout the country. The unit is led by an Assistant Inspector in Charge located at the National Forensic Laboratory and is comprised of Inspector Program Managers, Forensic Computer Analysts and Ad Hoc analysts domiciled in each of the eighteen Inspection Service Field Divisions. In addition, there are Audio/Video Forensic Analysts located at the National Forensic Laboratory.

The Digital Evidence Unit is the principal group responsible for the collection, preservation, and examination of computer digital evidence in support of all Inspection Service investigations. Digital evidence analysts are tasked with examining computer evidence and any digital media for information or data pertinent to Postal Inspection Service investigations.

Computer evidence may include:

    Desktop computers
    Laptop computers
    Cellular phones
    MP3 devices
    Digital cameras and camcorders
    Personal digital assistant devices (PDAs)
    Any storage device that may hold digital media

In addition to processing cases, the Digital Evidence Unit is available for technical advice and assistance in seizing and preserving evidence at the crime scene.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 12, 2013, 11:52 am
I wanna reiterate this thing about common sense and also add that people need to read my full post before they make themselves look stupid trying to make me look stupid.   Your example defines someone who is sending repeated drugs to LE.  That person is already flagged, the prints may, may help, but he is already fucked.   I never said don't wear gloves, take every precaution at your disposal, but use your damn head while you do it!  I'll be awaiting your numbers on those prints and convictions,  If the number is significant and the players in that circle were not already fucked to begin with then I will concede your point.  Until then cut your 101 bullshit.  Fact is unless you are completely sterile in your methods, your DNA evidence from say a hair are much more likely to sink u then a fingerprint!
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: mdmafx on April 12, 2013, 11:53 am
Do you guys seriously think that LE is going to spend the time and money to get fingerprints off of a package?  Do you have any idea how backed up forensic labs are in every major city?

Yeah of course they are going to fingerprint intercepted packages you fucking retard, there is an entire USPI lab for fingerprinting and otherwise analyzing intercepted packages.

It annoys me how stupid some statements are and noobs reading this take it as fact. Its their job, of course LE are going to at a very minimum fingerprint an intercepted package and try and match against their criminal database. What do you think they are going to do?
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 12, 2013, 11:55 am
A lot of words, no number though.  About those words, look into what a "latent" print actually meants!
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: kmfkewm on April 12, 2013, 12:01 pm
I wanna reiterate this thing about common sense and also add that people need to read my full post before they make themselves look stupid trying to make me look stupid.   Your example defines someone who is sending repeated drugs to LE.  That person is already flagged, the prints may, may help, but he is already fucked.   I never said don't wear gloves, take every precaution at your disposal, but use your damn head while you do it!  I'll be awaiting your numbers on those prints and convictions,  If the number is significant and the players in that circle were not already fucked to begin with then I will concede your point.  Until then cut your 101 bullshit.  Fact is unless you are completely sterile in your methods, your DNA evidence from say a hair are much more likely to sink u then a fingerprint!

You are the last person who should be talking about common sense considering you clearly have none. Common sense is to wear gloves when committing a crime that could leave fingerprints behind. Only a total idiot would try to argue otherwise. Any vendor on this site could send drugs to LE over and over again. Vendors on SR sell to anybody. LE could easily get a box and order packages from vendors over and over again. If you read the leaked report from the Australian feds it said that they did just that, trying to gather fingerprints and other forensic evidence, but that they failed to identify anybody because nobody was leaving trace evidence behind. If they pull that shit on you your ass is going to be in jail in no time, because you think that mail will not be fingerprinted, and that you cannot even leave fingerprints in the first place for some reason. I am not going to compile statistics for the number of people busted by fingerprints for fucks sake, you are the one who is putting yourself at risk do your own fucking research.

Fingerprints are way more likely to sink you than hair, but you should of course try to avoid leaving ANY trace evidence. Wear a fucking hair net too! But unless you become a suspect in a rape case or fuck a minor chances are you will die without ever having your DNA stored by the state. On the other hand, if you get arrested for a DUI or any other minor crime, or get any job that requires a security clearance, your fingerprints are going to be on record with the state. Assuming neither are already on record, given the choice between the feds having my fingerprints tied to an illegal crime, and the feds having my DNA tied to an illegal crime, I would go DNA all day.

I am not sure if you are really an idiot or just trolling me....
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: kmfkewm on April 12, 2013, 12:04 pm
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Although the word latent means hidden or invisible, in modern usage for forensic science the term latent prints means any chance or accidental impression left by friction ridge skin on a surface, regardless of whether it is visible or invisible at the time of deposition. Electronic, chemical and physical processing techniques permit visualization of invisible latent print residues whether they are from natural sweat on the skin or from a contaminant such as motor oil, blood, ink, paint or some other form of dirt. The different types of fingerprint patterns, such as arch, loop and whorl, will be described below.

Latent prints may exhibit only a small portion of the surface of a finger and this may be smudged, distorted, overlapped by other prints from the same or from different individuals, or any or all of these in combination. For this reason, latent prints usually present an “inevitable source of error in making comparisons,” as they generally “contain less clarity, less content, and less undistorted information than a fingerprint taken under controlled conditions, and much, much less detail compared to the actual patterns of ridges and grooves of a finger.”[6]

Of course a latent print is less useful than a print obtained by coating your fingers in fucking ink and rolling them on fingerprinting paper, but latent fingerprints are enough to ID people in many cases. If you want to risk being busted over a preventable insecurity be my fucking guest, I just thought I would point out to you that you are a total idiot.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 12, 2013, 12:10 pm
I'm gonna end my posting on this topic here, cause I keep running into people who don't read and comprehend fully.  Not never did I say don't wear gloves or take precaution.  I comment to introduce thinking into the equation.  First of all you have to be in the damn system to be matched to a print, that seems to have escaped the smart ass that commented about forensics 101.  Here is common sense 101 for ya buddy!  If your in the system already and you don't wanna go back to jail then it's not even a question of gloving up and protecting yourself.

Assumptions never stop making asses of people!

Smarty pants postulated that I have not been in the business for that long or that I will be arrested soon.  lol  If you are serious about safety and wanna take precautions you don't ever even have to touch a piece of work yourselves!  I hope you can put 2 and 2 together and understand what it is I'm saying.  I don't know however, cause I am still awaiting my numbers.

 My first post on this already should have explained the delicate nature of fingerprinting.  If you noticed that list of departments working for the the mail system it's because they need more than a print to convict, or build a case even.  I don't suggest you help them by providing a print, just wanted to elaborate on it.  Thanks for listening!
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: kmfkewm on April 12, 2013, 12:14 pm
Do you guys seriously think that LE is going to spend the time and money to get fingerprints off of a package?  Do you have any idea how backed up forensic labs are in every major city?

Yeah of course they are going to fingerprint intercepted packages you fucking retard, there is an entire USPI lab for fingerprinting and otherwise analyzing intercepted packages.

It annoys me how stupid some statements are and noobs reading this take it as fact. Its their job, of course LE are going to at a very minimum fingerprint an intercepted package and try and match against their criminal database. What do you think they are going to do?


The small customer says "They won't bust me, they are after my dealer!"

The police man says "I will bust his ass , I'm sure he is a squealer!"

The smaller dealer says "They won't bust me, I only move a couple ounces..."

The police man says "But that's my job!" and then he straight up pounces

the mid dealer says "They won't bust me I only sell to a couple of friends!"

The task force says "But they got apprehended and now your friendship endssssss....."

the big dealer says "They won't bust me, they only want the cartelsssss"

The DEA laughs and then they say "We will get the cartel connect after busting you and making you wear a microphone during a sellllllllll"

The cartel connect says "They won't get me, they only want my bosssssessssss"

Then Interpol laughs and then they say "Infiltration leads to all cartel lossesssssssssss"

The cartel boss says "They won't catch me, I am not a terrorist!"

Then the intelligence community laughs and then they say "Militant Islam is funded by opiateeeesssss"

The terrorists say "They wont catch me , I am not Osama Bin Laden"

and then they get stormed, intelligence formed, and snipers come and kill everybody else toooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

it's the somebody else song, the somebody else song, they only bust somebody elseeeeeeeee
I haven't done anything wrong (but broke the law!) so they will get somebody elseeeeeeeeeee
its the someone else song, it's the someone else song, I know they will not get meeeeeeeee
because I am not Osama Bin Laden ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
and that is what 100% of LE want sooooooooooooo
it's the somebody else song for me!
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: Miss Sexy Boots on April 15, 2013, 09:25 am
Gents.

Request for assist Re: Glove Type.

1/ Latex / Non Latex

2/ How thick?

3/ Would those groovy black tattooist gloves do the trick?

4/ Anyone got a recommended brand (if able maybe pm me thank you)

Thank you ;)
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: ChemCat on April 15, 2013, 09:55 am
Yeah of course they are going to fingerprint intercepted packages you fucking retard, there is an entire USPI lab for fingerprinting and otherwise analyzing intercepted packages.

It annoys me how stupid some statements are and noobs reading this take it as fact. Its their job, of course LE are going to at a very minimum fingerprint an intercepted package and try and match against their criminal database. What do you think they are going to do?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The small customer says "They won't bust me, they are after my dealer!"

The police man says "I will bust his ass , I'm sure he is a squealer!"

The smaller dealer says "They won't bust me, I only move a couple ounces..."

The police man says "But that's my job!" and then he straight up pounces

the mid dealer says "They won't bust me I only sell to a couple of friends!"

The task force says "But they got apprehended and now your friendship endssssss....."

the big dealer says "They won't bust me, they only want the cartelsssss"

The DEA laughs and then they say "We will get the cartel connect after busting you and making you wear a microphone during a sellllllllll"

The cartel connect says "They won't get me, they only want my bosssssessssss"

Then Interpol laughs and then they say "Infiltration leads to all cartel lossesssssssssss"

The cartel boss says "They won't catch me, I am not a terrorist!"

Then the intelligence community laughs and then they say "Militant Islam is funded by opiateeeesssss"

The terrorists say "They wont catch me , I am not Osama Bin Laden"

and then they get stormed, intelligence formed, and snipers come and kill everybody else toooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

it's the somebody else song, the somebody else song, they only bust somebody elseeeeeeeee
I haven't done anything wrong (but broke the law!) so they will get somebody elseeeeeeeeeee
its the someone else song, it's the someone else song, I know they will not get meeeeeeeee
because I am not Osama Bin Laden ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
and that is what 100% of LE want sooooooooooooo
it's the somebody else song for me!

This ^^^^


LOL

:)

Fucking Classic!!!


I Love It  :)


Peace,



ChemCat



O0
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 16, 2013, 11:58 am
Gents.

Request for assist Re: Glove Type.

1/ Latex / Non Latex

2/ How thick?

3/ Would those groovy black tattooist gloves do the trick?


4/ Anyone got a recommended brand (if able maybe pm me thank you)

Thank you ;)


Any medical grade latex glove, wear two at a time, that's all you need!
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: tetrizkube on April 16, 2013, 10:37 pm

The small customer says "They won't bust me, they are after my dealer!"

The police man says "I will bust his ass , I'm sure he is a squealer!"

The smaller dealer says "They won't bust me, I only move a couple ounces..."

The police man says "But that's my job!" and then he straight up pounces

the mid dealer says "They won't bust me I only sell to a couple of friends!"

The task force says "But they got apprehended and now your friendship endssssss....."

the big dealer says "They won't bust me, they only want the cartelsssss"

The DEA laughs and then they say "We will get the cartel connect after busting you and making you wear a microphone during a sellllllllll"

The cartel connect says "They won't get me, they only want my bosssssessssss"

Then Interpol laughs and then they say "Infiltration leads to all cartel lossesssssssssss"

The cartel boss says "They won't catch me, I am not a terrorist!"

Then the intelligence community laughs and then they say "Militant Islam is funded by opiateeeesssss"

The terrorists say "They wont catch me , I am not Osama Bin Laden"

and then they get stormed, intelligence formed, and snipers come and kill everybody else toooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

it's the somebody else song, the somebody else song, they only bust somebody elseeeeeeeee
I haven't done anything wrong (but broke the law!) so they will get somebody elseeeeeeeeeee
its the someone else song, it's the someone else song, I know they will not get meeeeeeeee
because I am not Osama Bin Laden ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
and that is what 100% of LE want sooooooooooooo
it's the somebody else song for me!

Most excellent! Thanks! Like ChemCat says, "Fucking Classic!!!"
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 16, 2013, 10:59 pm
paranoia is paranoia, no matter if u sing it in a song!
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: RoxiPal on April 17, 2013, 09:56 am
I would caution against using a thin latex glove and instead suggest a multi-use, thick nitrile glove.  If it can withstand an acid spill, your fingerprints aren't making it thru!
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: MrAnonymous on April 17, 2013, 02:49 pm
Don't let paranoia and propaganda cloud your minds.


(The following paper was the text of a presentation at a training seminar for Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorneys on November 14, 1992)

This is an excerpt.

"Often, detectives are disappointed and prosecutors are frustrated with the lack of the irrefutable evidence of the suspect's fingerprints on a particular item of evidence, which he must have handled. It is unfortunate that, unlike on television, the �suspects� prints don't always appear.  A look at the factors influencing the chances of obtaining prints will assist in understanding the fragile and elusive nature of latent impressions.  Each of the following various factors independently or in combination can account for the lack of prints on a surface:  1) Individuals don't always have a sufficient quantity of perspiration and/or contaminates on their hands to be deposited,  2) When someone touches something, they may handle it in a manner which causes the prints to smear,  3) The surface may not be suitable for retaining the minute traces of moisture in a form representative of the ridge detail, and 4) The environment may cause the latent print to deteriorate. The most important fact dealing with the lack of fingerprints is that it neither suggests, implies, or establishes that any person did or did not touch the item of evidence.  Items which have been witnessed to have been handled and laboratory experimentation repeatedly reiterate this premise".

Don't let the fact that every single case can't be solved with fingerprints cloud your mind into touching everything with your bare hands. That is just beyond fucking stupid.

Why you don't need to wear a condom when banging random prostitutes in Africa:

1. HIV is not always transmitted during sexual intercourse, and it doesn't always take hold and cause an infection
2. Maybe you just get a blowjob, that has a much lower risk of transmitting HIV
3. Not ALL prostitutes in Africa have HIV in the first place
4. Maybe you are a natural resistor, something like 1% of male Caucasians resist HIV infection to such an extent that they are virtually immune

Saying that you don't need to wear gloves when you handle illegal packages is pretty much the same as saying you don't need to wear a condom when you bang random African prostitutes, and then giving the above list of reasons. In other words, it makes you look like a dumb ass who is about to get infected with HIV.


There is a thing called being cautious, and a thing called ignoring common sense and wasting precious time!  I will inform you on what side you are currently on!

Fingerprinting mail?  Really? Ok

Now if your using MBB the only layer you would need to worry about is the last, I hope I don't have to explain why, and you should be wiping it down anyway. 

This leaves the the mailing itself, which is going to pass through at least a couple more hands as it goes thought the system.  Every post office I go too, employees do not wear gloves!

I been in this field for quite some time.  Many family and friends have been in and out of the system for drug charges, known of them convicted over fingerprints!  They would laugh at you and probably shank you for being so easily manipulated by what you see on tv.  Did you even read my post?

Since you are clearly clueless, I will take some time from my busy day to explain to you something called an INTERSECTION ATTACK, one of the fundamental types of forensics (correlation is another!).

Let's say you touch the outside of the envelope and get your fingerprints on it. Now, as you are hopelessly clueless, you incorrectly assume that it doesn't matter because your fingerprints will blend in with the fingerprints of dozens of other people who handle the package. Now when your package is fingerprinted after being intercepted, the detectives find 12 unique prints belonging to 12 different people. Whew, you may say to yourself, I am totally safe! Now, assuming they don't zero in on your prints due to the fact that you have previous drug charges and are not someone who works in mailing, the detectives just wait. Now they intercept another package from you (or they order another package from you, to save themselves some time!). This time they get 20 unique prints! Whew, you may say to yourself, I am totally safe! Except now those clever detectives take the first set of prints and the second set of prints, and they remove all prints that don't show up on both packages (this is an intersection attack!). Oh no, now only your prints are suspect , because none of the original 12 people who handled your first package handled the second package! Now you are totally fucked!

You are obviously new to mailing drugs, and my money is on you being busted in no time if you really don't wear gloves. Welcome to forensics 101.

I wear gloves just to be safe, but your logic is wrong.


Customs will never, ever, ever send your package to forensics if it's a personal amount inside. The governments don't have the money for that. Maybe if they catch a key or something, but no way for that amount. Do you know how much drugs they catch daily?

On top of that the police need to already have your fingerprints on file in the country that caught it (there isn't a world wide system, each country has their own)

If they don't have your prints then they have nothing to go on. They have a location but any good vendors know not to use the same drop all the time.. I personally use 5 different ones, all 3-10 miles apart.


 If they do have your prints, then yes you are right, you are fucked.

Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: le Magnifique on April 17, 2013, 03:34 pm
No, we don't worry about fingerprints because we use gloves. I'm sure you will be worried though when one of your packages gets intercepted and you didn't use them. You don't have to use latex gloves either. Any gloves will do the job.

Not any gloves will do, and latex gloves are especially risky. If the gloves are too thin they will conform to the ridges of your fingerprints, turning their outside surface into a rubber stamp. If the gloves have debris on the finger surface, pressing down will essentially stamp the debris onto the surface you touch in the shape of your fingerprint. Latex gloves are too thin and often they are powdered, making them a very risky choice.

this guy knows his gloves ;D
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: DrugsBunny on April 18, 2013, 12:27 pm
You're an idiot if you're vending and not using gloves, just one fingerprint can set a sniffer dog off.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 18, 2013, 10:45 pm
I would caution against using a thin latex glove and instead suggest a multi-use, thick nitrile glove.  If it can withstand an acid spill, your fingerprints aren't making it thru!

The Nitrile is better!
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: northstars on April 19, 2013, 07:17 pm
great advice for this new vendor.   Thanks.

I think I'll get a team of monkeys to do the packaging, or put socks on my hands like the poor kids do. .  lol.

Yes, gloves are a minimum.  Double layered, use a smock or lab coat too.  Hair and bits get in there too like pet hair.

I have a room with plastic covering all the walls and entrance.  It has a negative air pressure with an exhaust fan sucking and blowing to the outside.  Any contaminates are sucked up by the exhaust fan.  This was a leftover lab gear from growing mushrooms a long time ago.  Now a sterile packing room.   I feel like Dexter Morgan when I'm working in there. . . lol
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: bbbaac on April 21, 2013, 02:13 am
thanks people. Northstar, what you say is very interesting. Would you post a picture of one wall of the room or some thing. Im just interested lol. i complety understand if not. btw i steal boxes of latex gloves that arent powdered from work now. they are nice.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 21, 2013, 02:23 am
Dumb Fucks, stop commenting without thinking, or reading this thread.  It has already been said numerous times throughout this thread.  I will reiterate!

YOU CAN'T MATCH A PRINT UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO MATCH IT TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Happy 420!

pkizenko98
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: DivineMomentsofTruth on April 21, 2013, 07:54 am
Dumb Fucks, stop commenting without thinking, or reading this thread.  It has already been said numerous times throughout this thread.  I will reiterate!

YOU CAN'T MATCH A PRINT UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO MATCH IT TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Happy 420!

pkizenko98

Than it is clearly obvious that some vendors have been arrested or had a job where they are required to be fingerprinted like a school for example. (What if my old chemistry professor...nah couldn't be). They are criminals, well drug dealers which isn't a crime in my book as long as you're a dealer that sells real drugs...does it blow your mind some of them have been fingerprinted before?
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: bbbaac on April 21, 2013, 02:56 pm
everyone take a xanax.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: kmfkewm on April 22, 2013, 08:45 pm
Don't let paranoia and propaganda cloud your minds.


(The following paper was the text of a presentation at a training seminar for Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorneys on November 14, 1992)

This is an excerpt.

"Often, detectives are disappointed and prosecutors are frustrated with the lack of the irrefutable evidence of the suspect's fingerprints on a particular item of evidence, which he must have handled. It is unfortunate that, unlike on television, the �suspects� prints don't always appear.  A look at the factors influencing the chances of obtaining prints will assist in understanding the fragile and elusive nature of latent impressions.  Each of the following various factors independently or in combination can account for the lack of prints on a surface:  1) Individuals don't always have a sufficient quantity of perspiration and/or contaminates on their hands to be deposited,  2) When someone touches something, they may handle it in a manner which causes the prints to smear,  3) The surface may not be suitable for retaining the minute traces of moisture in a form representative of the ridge detail, and 4) The environment may cause the latent print to deteriorate. The most important fact dealing with the lack of fingerprints is that it neither suggests, implies, or establishes that any person did or did not touch the item of evidence.  Items which have been witnessed to have been handled and laboratory experimentation repeatedly reiterate this premise".

Don't let the fact that every single case can't be solved with fingerprints cloud your mind into touching everything with your bare hands. That is just beyond fucking stupid.

Why you don't need to wear a condom when banging random prostitutes in Africa:

1. HIV is not always transmitted during sexual intercourse, and it doesn't always take hold and cause an infection
2. Maybe you just get a blowjob, that has a much lower risk of transmitting HIV
3. Not ALL prostitutes in Africa have HIV in the first place
4. Maybe you are a natural resistor, something like 1% of male Caucasians resist HIV infection to such an extent that they are virtually immune

Saying that you don't need to wear gloves when you handle illegal packages is pretty much the same as saying you don't need to wear a condom when you bang random African prostitutes, and then giving the above list of reasons. In other words, it makes you look like a dumb ass who is about to get infected with HIV.


There is a thing called being cautious, and a thing called ignoring common sense and wasting precious time!  I will inform you on what side you are currently on!

Fingerprinting mail?  Really? Ok

Now if your using MBB the only layer you would need to worry about is the last, I hope I don't have to explain why, and you should be wiping it down anyway. 

This leaves the the mailing itself, which is going to pass through at least a couple more hands as it goes thought the system.  Every post office I go too, employees do not wear gloves!

I been in this field for quite some time.  Many family and friends have been in and out of the system for drug charges, known of them convicted over fingerprints!  They would laugh at you and probably shank you for being so easily manipulated by what you see on tv.  Did you even read my post?

Since you are clearly clueless, I will take some time from my busy day to explain to you something called an INTERSECTION ATTACK, one of the fundamental types of forensics (correlation is another!).

Let's say you touch the outside of the envelope and get your fingerprints on it. Now, as you are hopelessly clueless, you incorrectly assume that it doesn't matter because your fingerprints will blend in with the fingerprints of dozens of other people who handle the package. Now when your package is fingerprinted after being intercepted, the detectives find 12 unique prints belonging to 12 different people. Whew, you may say to yourself, I am totally safe! Now, assuming they don't zero in on your prints due to the fact that you have previous drug charges and are not someone who works in mailing, the detectives just wait. Now they intercept another package from you (or they order another package from you, to save themselves some time!). This time they get 20 unique prints! Whew, you may say to yourself, I am totally safe! Except now those clever detectives take the first set of prints and the second set of prints, and they remove all prints that don't show up on both packages (this is an intersection attack!). Oh no, now only your prints are suspect , because none of the original 12 people who handled your first package handled the second package! Now you are totally fucked!

You are obviously new to mailing drugs, and my money is on you being busted in no time if you really don't wear gloves. Welcome to forensics 101.

I wear gloves just to be safe, but your logic is wrong.


Customs will never, ever, ever send your package to forensics if it's a personal amount inside. The governments don't have the money for that. Maybe if they catch a key or something, but no way for that amount. Do you know how much drugs they catch daily?

On top of that the police need to already have your fingerprints on file in the country that caught it (there isn't a world wide system, each country has their own)

If they don't have your prints then they have nothing to go on. They have a location but any good vendors know not to use the same drop all the time.. I personally use 5 different ones, all 3-10 miles apart.


 If they do have your prints, then yes you are right, you are fucked.

Oh really is that factoid straight out of your stinking asshole? Something tells me it is. Customs know that people with kilos might break them down into 10 gram packages. It is called swarming! If customs just completely ignores 10 gram packs, then everyone will just send their kilos in ten gram installments. Also I would like you to read about something called Interpol, through this organization fingerprints can be matched against world databases! Also intelligence sharing between the country of the shipper and country of the recipient is even more likely. Rotating between 5 different drops is pretty shitty security fwiw. Also the chances of you having your fingerprints on file at some point in time are not that low. A lot of people will be arrested for something at some point in their lives, or join an organization that requires fingerprinting. Feel free to leave your biological signature on all of your outgoing packages, but please stop pulling insta-facts out of your ass and generally talking about things you don't really have a clue about. Opinions are like assholes and I really don't want your stinky asshole pushed into my face when I have my nice pleasant smelling facts and logic already there.


Quote
Dumb Fucks, stop commenting without thinking, or reading this thread.  It has already been said numerous times throughout this thread.  I will reiterate!

YOU CAN'T MATCH A PRINT UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO MATCH IT TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Happy 420!

pkizenko98p

Hurka-durka durka-doo, durrr let me think about ur logic man. So like I should put my real name on return address becuz customs like totally doesn't care about me sending personal use schedule 1 drugs newayz n like uhm they might not find teh fone book to match my name and address. Fuck you are so right! From now on I send my drugs from real name, press fingerprints all over it, maybe I will draw some blood and rub in on inside of the package as well. I should add some hair too, maybe bust a nut in it for good measure.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: kmfkewm on April 22, 2013, 08:46 pm
paranoia is paranoia, no matter if u sing it in a song!

I decided to make a childrens song for you in the hopes that you would get the picture. Unfortunately it failed to educate you.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 22, 2013, 08:59 pm
That's what you interpreted from my post?  Whats wrong with you!
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: RoxiPal on April 22, 2013, 11:18 pm
More +'s for the noted 'Hero' kmfkewm... Thank you for being an active member of these forums.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: tit4tat007 on April 23, 2013, 09:19 am
Well to be honest, I would do it because it doesnt take any work at all... BUT

I work at a forensic center, and NO I am not law enforcement. I am a forensic toxicologist. Never, ever has the biology department received drug packaging to lift fingerprints off. Not once.

Now it is possible that the local police department chose to lift these prints themselves, however while this is possible to happen sometimes, for it to happen every-time is unlikely.
Additionally, if you see the Canadapost you will see how many people are touching your package without gloves...there is prints all over these things....

BUT how much work is it really to put on gloves. Just wear them, its not like it takes too much work. But if you ever got prints on a package by accident I wouldnt go crazy. Just stay safe and wear gloves from now on.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 23, 2013, 07:59 pm
There is no excuse for being as safe as possible.  I just wanted people to understand that a print, alone by itself, is not enough to put u in jail for life.  It just seemed to me that that's where this post was heading.  To the land of fear!  People just seem to not think clearly when fear and paranoia come around.  I know for a fact they don't think clearly.  Maybe it's my mistake to expect everyone here to be clear headed.  There is no doubt that there are quite a few junkies running around here.  I spend half my day on these forums, and I take every precaution there is to take, however by the end of the night, I wanna barricade my doors or pack my shit and move to Canada.  That's how much fear mongering and panic I encounter on these forums.  I am not saying it does not serve a purpose.  The fear of being locked down as scared many straight.  But fear left unchecked leads no where!
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: kmfkewm on April 24, 2013, 12:38 am
Fingerprints ARE enough to get you busted and if you think otherwise you are plain and simple fucktarded.

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Additionally, if you see the Canadapost you will see how many people are touching your package without gloves...there is prints all over these things....

Maybe it is outside your field of expertise, but there is a basic forensics technique called intersection that applies to all sorts of things. In this case the attacker would order multiple packages from the vendor, then they would lift prints off of all of them and intersect the crowds until only the vendors prints are remaining. Your fingerprints may hide in a tiny ass crowd on one package, but over two or three or four packages and your prints are the only unique ones left.

Really I am dumbfounded that anybody here would argue against the importance of wearing gloves when packaging things. There is absolutely no debate to be had. My guess is they are either LE trying to create the impression of there being ANY debate in regards to the importance of not leaving fingerprints on shit, or they are trolls, or they are complete fucking idiots. In fact, I am certain that they absolutely must be one of the previously mentioned things.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: WhiteShark on April 24, 2013, 12:46 am
Fingerprints ARE enough to get you busted and if you think otherwise you are plain and simple fucktarded.

Quote
Additionally, if you see the Canadapost you will see how many people are touching your package without gloves...there is prints all over these things....

Maybe it is outside your field of expertise, but there is a basic forensics technique called intersection that applies to all sorts of things. In this case the attacker would order multiple packages from the vendor, then they would lift prints off of all of them and intersect the crowds until only the vendors prints are remaining. Your fingerprints may hide in a tiny ass crowd on one package, but over two or three or four packages and your prints are the only unique ones left.

Really I am dumbfounded that anybody here would argue against the importance of wearing gloves when packaging things. There is absolutely no debate to be had. My guess is they are either LE trying to create the impression of there being ANY debate in regards to the importance of not leaving fingerprints on shit, or they are trolls, or they are complete fucking idiots. In fact, I am certain that they absolutely must be one of the previously mentioned things.


I don't think he was trying to say that you should not wear gloves. He was saying if you didn't wear it sending a single package then it is not a big deal. If you are saying that having your fingerprints on a single package would be enough to get you in jail then that is what is dumbfounding. Unless you are from like North Korea or something...

Yes you should wear gloves...no fingerprints on a single package would not be enough to get you in jail...

Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 24, 2013, 12:47 am
You are dumb, and I found it.  No one is advocating not wearing gloves. 
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: kmfkewm on April 24, 2013, 02:21 am
Fingerprints ARE enough to get you busted and if you think otherwise you are plain and simple fucktarded.

Quote
Additionally, if you see the Canadapost you will see how many people are touching your package without gloves...there is prints all over these things....

Maybe it is outside your field of expertise, but there is a basic forensics technique called intersection that applies to all sorts of things. In this case the attacker would order multiple packages from the vendor, then they would lift prints off of all of them and intersect the crowds until only the vendors prints are remaining. Your fingerprints may hide in a tiny ass crowd on one package, but over two or three or four packages and your prints are the only unique ones left.

Really I am dumbfounded that anybody here would argue against the importance of wearing gloves when packaging things. There is absolutely no debate to be had. My guess is they are either LE trying to create the impression of there being ANY debate in regards to the importance of not leaving fingerprints on shit, or they are trolls, or they are complete fucking idiots. In fact, I am certain that they absolutely must be one of the previously mentioned things.


I don't think he was trying to say that you should not wear gloves. He was saying if you didn't wear it sending a single package then it is not a big deal. If you are saying that having your fingerprints on a single package would be enough to get you in jail then that is what is dumbfounding. Unless you are from like North Korea or something...

Yes you should wear gloves...no fingerprints on a single package would not be enough to get you in jail...

Having your fingerprints on one single package is enough intelligence to get you put under surveillance for enough additional evidence to be gathered to get you sent to prison. If the prints are on the inside of the package it is probably enough to get you raided in and of itself. So yes a single fucking print on a single drug package is enough to get you in jail. It is a huge deal if you don't wear gloves while sending a single package, if the DEA is ordering the package from you to try to gather forensic intelligence ! If you dipshits would read the leaked .pdf from the Australian feds investigating SR, you would see that they ordered packages from vendors here and forensically analyzed them looking for fingerprints and other trace evidence. There is no debate here, you guys are flat out fucking wrong.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: WhiteShark on April 24, 2013, 03:12 am
How about we agree on our common ground....

Yes you should wear gloves =)
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 24, 2013, 05:59 pm
How about we agree on our common ground....

Yes you should wear gloves =)

lol

Thanks for mediating.  I already agreed to that!
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: PhilipJFry on April 24, 2013, 06:08 pm
pkizenko98, while i agree with your thoughts, there is to consider, that with the new biometric passports and id cards entire populations are forced to give their fingerprints (index finger and thumb left and right).

I don't believe for a second that the fingerprints will be used for the declared purpose of securing those documents only. When they have fingerprints of everyone, they will be used in any possible way. So there indeed is something to compare fingerprints left on shipments.
Title: Re: fingerprints ?
Post by: pkizenko98 on April 24, 2013, 06:17 pm
pkizenko98, while i agree with your thoughts, there is to consider, that with the new biometric passports and id cards entire populations are forced to give their fingerprints (index finger and thumb left and right).

I don't believe for a second that the fingerprints will be used for the declared purpose of securing those documents only. When they have fingerprints of everyone, they will be used in any possible way. So there indeed is something to compare fingerprints left on shipments.

I agree with that, that's part of what I am saying.  If you know your prints are on file, no matter how they got on file, you absolutely need to take precautions.  Being arrested is not the only time you can get fingerprinted, and once you are in any fingerprint database I would consider that you're prints are available to anyone who really wants it!