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Title: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: chronicpain on July 03, 2011, 08:04 pm
Have have a close relative that works at the post office. I was picking her brain regarding shipping, etc. One of the things that I don't think buyers nor sellers think about is that there is a small chance that if the name doesn't match the address that it may not be delivered. she said that this is happening more and more. In fact, when my daughter received mail here at my address she used her new married name and someone wrote on the letter "check address" meaning they were worried that this person didn't live here since she now has a new last name.

I know that this wont happen very often, but it may be one of the reasons there has been an increase in buyers not receiving..
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: phubaiblues on July 04, 2011, 02:45 am
The problem is that sellers are starting to request 'confirm delivery' and that caused the mailman to come to my house--he knows my name--and ask if I knew the guy...I said know, but that every once in a while previous tenants might come by, and ask if mail had gotten here, so leave it anyway, and I'd just put it in slot...

When we can, we use abandoned houses and such, but this has it's own dangers, again, especially when sellers put 'confirm delivery' as then maiman sees 'nobody home' and keeps letter...everybody gets pissed...

we've got no choice: can't use our own names...
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: barbasolshavingcreamcan on July 04, 2011, 03:26 am
Delivery confirmation does not imply that they need to physically give it to you, though. Usually they just scan it then put it in your mailbox or leave it where ever they would normally leave packages for you.

But, I am sure there are plenty of postal workers like yours that think they need to physically hand it off to you (my last carrier thought the "Flat rate" envelopes needed to stay flat, per the envelope name..)
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: Kind Bud on July 05, 2011, 10:59 pm
fake name thread
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=402.0
discussion on old forums
http://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion/index.php/forums/thread/579
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: janetreno on July 06, 2011, 08:36 am
You can purchase a shelf company for a few hundred bucks, and just have packages sent to "Accounts Receivable" or "Product Returns" at the address you register the shelf company to (and receive your SR packages at).  A small price to pay for another layer of anonymity. 
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: sd4sd4 on July 06, 2011, 04:17 pm
I think that if you live in a highly populated area where people are constantly moving from flat to flat then using a single fake name is quite safe. It's just a new tenant.
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: RedRocket on July 06, 2011, 04:39 pm
yeah and you shouldnt be getting friendly with the mailman...never...dont even say hello...from the day you move in,to the day you leave...hes your enemy.lol
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: Gigantor on July 26, 2011, 04:23 am
When registering a shelf company, don't you have to present ID/fill out tax forms, etc.? Also, would the best place to have the "company" located be an office you'd rent? What would keep LE from staking out the building and looking into who its registered under?
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: palmist on July 26, 2011, 04:40 am
Have have a close relative that works at the post office. I was picking her brain regarding shipping, etc. One of the things that I don't think buyers nor sellers think about is that there is a small chance that if the name doesn't match the address that it may not be delivered. she said that this is happening more and more. In fact, when my daughter received mail here at my address she used her new married name and someone wrote on the letter "check address" meaning they were worried that this person didn't live here since she now has a new last name.

I know that this wont happen very often, but it may be one of the reasons there has been an increase in buyers not receiving..

I was presented with just this situation just recently. I just left a note taped to the mailbox that said "Dear Mailcarrier, please deliver mail for *unusual name* to this address". And they delivered it, no problem.
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: Kind Bud on July 26, 2011, 03:50 pm
if the name doesn't match the address that it may not be delivered.
I think this is one of the main non delivery issues.
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: mseller on July 26, 2011, 04:25 pm
Shelf company does not cost a lot but to purchase it, things are not so simple and anonymous like you think. You have to get false ID, address and other "no so" simple info.
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: joeblow2 on July 26, 2011, 04:39 pm
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH KIND BUD: if I was a seller I'd be asking for a sticky with some alternatives listed.  A thread name like "How to use a fake name for your shipment"   Otherwise there are going to be A WHOLE LOT of undeliverables because of this.  And that product is GONE, because it can't have a real return address.  Where I live, the mailman knows who is in what unit.  If the name does not match the unit, it is going back.  Period.  I have to believe this is the case in many places.  I think we need to be careful about telling people to use methods that are not tried and true (meaning you have used it personally and it works all the time).

To not care about this issue, as buyers, is really kind of abusing the sellers, wouldn't you say?  :(

I don't have any experience with the methods being discussed here, but I do have three alternatives that have worked for me for many years and that I am using presently:

1. Use something very close to your real name so the postman will definitely deliver it to you but the seller has no idea what your name really
    is or isn't.  John Wayne can become John Payne and any mailman worth his salt knows that is for you!  Lee Harvey becomes Lee Halvey,etc.
    When I do this I always put the fake name and my address into Google to make sure nothing comes up.
 
2. Just use your first initial as part of the above scheme.  If you are Bob Crane you can be B. Crone.  The seller has *no idea* what the real
    name is supposed to be so it's utterly useless.  They don't even know if you are using the "modified name" scheme.

3. A P.O. Box with a fake company.  I have *never* had to present any corporate papers or ID when doing this with a P.O. Box.  I would
    recommend this method for people who are getting lots of mail.  And the P.O. Box place will text or call when you have a package arrive.
    Nice service for $200 a year for a big box.  There are so many computer and auto companies on the web these days.  Why not be
    JWS Software Systems Inc at your P.O. Box?  Now you aren't telling the seller *anything* that has to do with reality.  Fake company name
    and a P.O. Box that's in a UPS store.  Of course, $200 is a lot of money if you just get a few shipments a year, but it's nothing for someone
    who gets lots of shipments.

That's what I know about it.  I'd love to hear others experiences.  :)
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: F104 on July 26, 2011, 11:55 pm
I just left a note taped to the mailbox that said "Dear Mailcarrier, please deliver mail for *unusual name* to this address". And they delivered it, no problem.

palmist: "That's not me, never heard of the guy."
Sgt. Friday: "But his name is on your mailbox."
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: RedRocket on July 27, 2011, 12:40 am
palmist: "i never put his name on my mailbox."
Sgt. Friday: "dont make me give you a cock meat sandwich boy"
palmist: "okay i confess,it was me,it was all me"


Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: notwoody on July 27, 2011, 04:05 pm
Joeblow2:
"3. A P.O. Box with a fake company.  I have *never* had to present any corporate papers or ID when doing this with a P.O. Box.  I would
    recommend this method for people who are getting lots of mail.  And the P.O. Box place will text or call when you have a package arrive.
    Nice service for $200 a year for a big box.  There are so many computer and auto companies on the web these days.  Why not be
    JWS Software Systems Inc at your P.O. Box?  Now you aren't telling the seller *anything* that has to do with reality.  Fake company name
    and a P.O. Box that's in a UPS store.  Of course, $200 is a lot of money if you just get a few shipments a year, but it's nothing for someone
    who gets lots of shipments."

I've had 12 flawless transactions so far via SR; similar to joeblow's methods, I opened a PO Box and included a fictitious company on the application as an "also receiving mail here" entity- I think the form allows for 2 such "also" names. Needs zero authentication. It might not be 100% solid (what is?), but I have obviously no ties whatsoever to the fake company. I pick up the mail (it's 24/7 access, I go when no-one's there) and keep the mail unopened until I'm comfortable that all is cool. If I ever do run into a problem I plan to claim that the unopened mail is for someone I know that is starting a business in the area and just for convenience we're temporarily sharing a mailbox. I'm under no legal obligation to give anyone up, and while not watertight I have some measure of plausible deniability. I also chose USPS mailbox over UPS because of the need of the USPS to obtain a warrant to open a package, whereas UPS do not need to do that. A warrant is a lot of trouble and expense to go through given the personal amounts involved. And the mailbox is cheap.
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: war_on_hugs on July 27, 2011, 08:45 pm
buddy of mine got caught trying to mail weed once.  they opened his package at UPS because there was no return address on it.   He said always put a LEGIT return address on the package. doesnt have to be your own address, but if you make an address up your package could be flagged, so make sure the address actually exists.

was also reading on the internet somewhere that you can scent proof your wares - u seal your product in a vial by melting the top of the vial, put that through the dishwasher a few times to get rid of residual scent. then put that vial in a larger vial and seal that vial using flame. 
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: Gigantor on July 27, 2011, 11:57 pm
So assuming I set up a P.O. box with the USPS (with a fake company name added for a "friend"), I'd still have to present the two forms of ID, correct? Would it be unwise to use my real name and address?
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: chronicpain on July 28, 2011, 05:18 pm
If your going to use a fake name, please don't use names that are obviously FAKE!!! This kills me when I see names that I know are totally fake. But to put a name like Barrack obama, etc is totally stupid.. I think that if you use your real address and change the spelling of the name so the mailman can easily figure it out is the best way.

Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: Kind Bud on July 28, 2011, 05:28 pm
If your going to use a fake name, please don't use names that are obviously FAKE!!!
I like it how people think their postal delivery person doesn't smoke pot or understand pot references. Every character on Trailer Park Boys has ordered off Silk Road and who in the real world gets a package delivered to "Current Resident"???

If you think you are being clever, don't.
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: triangle_list on July 30, 2011, 07:16 pm
The post office has bounced 100% legit items out of my PO box because the name was misspelled by 1 letter.
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: ProfADaemon on October 19, 2011, 07:36 am
C'mon people. Make this stuff BLEND IN. You don't use fake names when shopping for computer parts or nutritional supplements on newegg or amazon do you? Then why do you think it won't seem suspicious to postal workers when you use a fake name for the first time on a Silk Road purchase?
Title: The ebst advice for sellers
Post by: Cgault on October 23, 2011, 03:46 pm
This is the ultimate advice I can give as a legit business owner and a buyer:

Make you packages or letters look like junk mail. Use printed labels and commercial small boxes used for samples and such, the more corporate jinky it looks, the safer it is. For small packs at least. I know you can order a big print order of flat CD mailers with a return address and a place for a label or preprinted envelops with a logo - etc.

The hand scrawled envelope of bulky padded mailer is a dead giveaway. Especially for international mail crossing the borders into US from NL.

For domestic, if you go hand addressed, for tiny amounts of M or whatever, personal letter style, business mail is best though. From: XYZ pension benefits corp / printed above the sending address, "offers for special customers, reply NOW!"

No postal inspector in their right mind would bother with a printed envelope like that!.

Small packages: Boxes are best, pre-printed return address with a business look. To addressL Printed junky stupid advertising label - "The best in all natural furniture polishes, safe for Oak and Pine"
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: phubaiblues on October 23, 2011, 09:18 pm
If your going to use a fake name, please don't use names that are obviously FAKE!!! This kills me when I see names that I know are totally fake. But to put a name like Barrack obama, etc is totally stupid.. I think that if you use your real address and change the spelling of the name so the mailman can easily figure it out is the best way.

That's right...u know how to spell your own name, but somebody else doesn't, and I always see different spellings...and mainly, people overestimate how cool they'll be under pressure: if you really have cops giving you the 3rd degree, you really want a very simple story..(.like the truth)...if u get caught with fake mbox and fake names or god help  u, fake i.d. they *know* you are guilty...a simple story is always best...fuck if I know how this shit got in my box, I've got nitwits in and out of my house all day, one of them could have sent it to themselves, damned if I know...

I think main problem here is also that people just feel uncomfortable sending their real name and address off to a seller they don't know from adam.  If the sellers, for example, is LE, it just goes against the grain to do that....it's the best solution...

2nd best, is, if, for example, you have somebody who used to live in the apt next door to you, and if when they leave, and go wandering around, they ask if it's o.k. if their mom/friends send mail to your address, for a while, and you say 'o.k.' and occasionally they get packages/letters to your address, and you've let the mailman know, that seems o.k.   But the mailman always knows if names are off, especially more than once, they come and ask: "hey is this mail for you" and since I've got a few homeless hippies who I let get letters at my box, he knows....

But also, don't blame seller if shit goes sideways.  Most sellers are legit, and mail never gets lost in my regular life, so if I don't get an expected letter, I eat it...it falls into the 'tough shit' category.  Good reliable vendors aren't that common, and we want to keep them, not drive them away with bullshit claims....
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: novocaine on October 26, 2011, 09:54 am
If your going to use a fake name, please don't use names that are obviously FAKE!!! This kills me when I see names that I know are totally fake.


If I get another Walter White I will slit my wrists...lol

In Aus its ok to use a fake name, our posties dont give a fuck. At the end of the day, as long as all letters are sort of delivered in the right boxes most of the time its all good ;D

I know for a fact that using these fake names in Aus ..  'Dazza's Dildos PTY LTD' 'Arse Ticklers Faggots Fan Club' and 'Cod Pieces Pty Ltd' have had 100% delivery ;)

Using an extreme, obviously fake name that stands out and all the postal workers have a laugh, works ime. I swear by it ;D
Title: Re: Buyers using fake names..
Post by: novocaine on October 26, 2011, 10:12 am
Just use one of the countless clubs on the net for a name and legitimacy.
Newsletters get sent out all the time.... apparently 8)

To- Nicky Websters Fan Club
      DisneyLand
      Anaheim LA
      US of A

To-Snoop doggy dogZ home boy Homies Club
     106 Beverly Hills Rd
     Hollywood   90210