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Title: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: war on June 17, 2012, 05:49 am
So I experimented a bit with Dr. Gonzo's Methylone at a recent festival.  I didn't use an exact scale but dosed twice at around ~160 mgs over the course of 3 days.  I have to say it was probably the most fun I have ever had.  I was also tripping during the first roll but only took methylone on the last day.  Anyways, I am pretty sure I have never taken any pure MDMA and don't plan on using any yet since why not save the holy grail for when Methylone loses its magic.

I got a few questions though... how do people feel about 5/6 APB vs. Methylone?  Are there different safety concerns between these products?  I am currently under the impression that methylone can be used a bit more often than MDMA because it doesnt rape Serotin as hard.  I don't plan on taking methylone alot anyways but am just looking for more info etc....  If i were to go out to a party I was thinking of microdosing methylone just to really be super sociable. 

Thoughts/Info would be great!  Thanks :) 
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: foxymeow on June 17, 2012, 05:54 am
Comparing 6-APB with Methylone is like comparing a BMW with a Volvo.

(Volvo is safer and lame,  while the BMW is much much more intense but you need to be more careful with it because you might fly off a serotonin cliff :D)
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: war on June 17, 2012, 06:18 am
Comparing 6-APB with Methylone is like comparing a BMW with a Volvo.

(Volvo is safer and lame,  while the BMW is much much more intense but you need to be more careful with it because you might fly off a serotonin cliff :D)

Hmmm, I like BMW's  ::)

I remember before I tried methylone you had kind of said it was just an alright experience... it really was amazing for me and I rolled WAY harder than any of my friends who all had "pure MDMA" from their local dealers haha. 

Anyways, will definitely be trying some APB from you soon then.

I guess some of my new questions would be 5/6 APB vs MDMA and 5 vs 6 APB.

Also, any safety issues regarding all the above (except MDMA) would be great as well.  I am already quite familiar with MDMA health risks/benefits. 

Cheers all and foxy, youre the best!   ;D
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: foxymeow on June 17, 2012, 07:07 am
Comparing 6-APB with Methylone is like comparing a BMW with a Volvo.

(Volvo is safer and lame,  while the BMW is much much more intense but you need to be more careful with it because you might fly off a serotonin cliff :D)

Hmmm, I like BMW's  ::)

I remember before I tried methylone you had kind of said it was just an alright experience... it really was amazing for me and I rolled WAY harder than any of my friends who all had "pure MDMA" from their local dealers haha. 

Anyways, will definitely be trying some APB from you soon then.

I guess some of my new questions would be 5/6 APB vs MDMA and 5 vs 6 APB.

Also, any safety issues regarding all the above (except MDMA) would be great as well.  I am already quite familiar with MDMA health risks/benefits. 

Cheers all and foxy, youre the best!   ;D

Not saying methylone isn't a good. A volvo is still a car that will get you places with a reasonable amount of funness. But it ain't no beamer.
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: breathe on June 17, 2012, 11:24 am
I wonder if the two would mix well
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: war on June 17, 2012, 11:32 am
Yea, ill wait for some more input from other people because I am really interested in these substances, but definitely looking forward to trying APBs out.
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: DrGonzo on June 22, 2012, 08:32 am
the APB is still legal.................huge plus.
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: mofn on June 22, 2012, 10:40 am
Lol "pure" mdma from local drug dealers. Methylone is cool but damn MDMA i think just kicks its ass
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: TheGrandWizard on June 22, 2012, 02:16 pm
In the Grand Wizard's experience, good methylone is far more enjoyable than a shitty "E" pill.  (I.e: the shit which flooded the East Coast at the beginning of the 21st century and has stayed around since... ).  Given the garbage which has passed for "E" lo these many years, I'm not at all surprised that you had a better experience with M1 than your comrades had with their "real Ecstasy."  That being said, even the best methylone roll can't hold a candle to a good dose of real, clean MDMA.  Methylone is more subtle and mellow than MDMA: it's definitely empathogenic but it's not quite that "DJ and light systems provided by GOD" sense of amazement and good feeling.

I've got no experience with 5/6-APB. Because both compounds are relatively difficult to synthesize, I know that a lot of bogus "5-APB/6-APB" has been sold. So I'd say if you wanted to try an x-APB do some research on the buyer and make sure you're not getting something Eric swept off his floor and threw into a bag for export.  I've generally heard good things about real APB compounds, but I've also heard horror stories about people who wound up taking an MDPV/faux-mephedrone cocktail and staying up for three days. 

Honestly, if I were you I might just get some good Molly from a good SR vendor rather than looking for good 5/6-APB.  Even the best reports I've heard about 5/6-APB say it's "almost as good as MDMA."  So why not just skip that and go with the real thing?
 
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: war on June 22, 2012, 11:01 pm
In the Grand Wizard's experience, good methylone is far more enjoyable than a shitty "E" pill.  (I.e: the shit which flooded the East Coast at the beginning of the 21st century and has stayed around since... ).  Given the garbage which has passed for "E" lo these many years, I'm not at all surprised that you had a better experience with M1 than your comrades had with their "real Ecstasy."  That being said, even the best methylone roll can't hold a candle to a good dose of real, clean MDMA.  Methylone is more subtle and mellow than MDMA: it's definitely empathogenic but it's not quite that "DJ and light systems provided by GOD" sense of amazement and good feeling.

I've got no experience with 5/6-APB. Because both compounds are relatively difficult to synthesize, I know that a lot of bogus "5-APB/6-APB" has been sold. So I'd say if you wanted to try an x-APB do some research on the buyer and make sure you're not getting something Eric swept off his floor and threw into a bag for export.  I've generally heard good things about real APB compounds, but I've also heard horror stories about people who wound up taking an MDPV/faux-mephedrone cocktail and staying up for three days. 

Honestly, if I were you I might just get some good Molly from a good SR vendor rather than looking for good 5/6-APB.  Even the best reports I've heard about 5/6-APB say it's "almost as good as MDMA."  So why not just skip that and go with the real thing?

Great post, and +1 for the help :)

Ive taken "MDMA" 3-4 times before I started educating myself and looking back definitely wasnt anything close.  Sadly, its to the point where I would recommend people NOT to buy ecstasy/molly until they are with me because they just arent getting the real thing.  Methylone really was amazing for me though.  I was rolling HARD.  Going up to random girls telling them they were "too beautiful" and I almost felt like I was bugging my friends a bit (friends that don't know me well...they think I fake some of my emotions at festivals but it's really just I am so confident in my drug selection that I don't have any worries).   
I'm not saying methylone is better than MDMA.  Im sure its not, but the magic it provided for me was amazing and allows me to save MDMA experiences for another time/place in my life. 

Anyways, thanks again.  If i order APB it will be from foxy and i trust that fox as much as you can trust anyone you havent met.

Cheers :)
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: Hiding on June 23, 2012, 04:29 am
My input as I have had all 3. This is just my opinion so forgive all the "I's".

I love methylone for what it is. I think it's one of the best chemicals to come around, I hate mephedrone.
I think methylone is the best because it has a shorter duration than mdma but with very similar effects. I can have a quick-roll or a micro dose for sociability and not be wide-eyed for 6 hours.

I think if you're going to be out all night, mdma is probably the better one of the 2.

Now, as for 6-apb, I have some of this on hand. It's relatively cheap, I have reagent tested it because of all the fake stuff that went out in 2010/11. This is legit stuff though. The only thing I don't like about it, it doesn't micro dose well.
I take 40-50mg of methylone, I can have a nice energy boost, a nice lil euphoria, sociability and empathy, 90 minutes later it's gone.
I take 40-50mg of mdma, I can have an energy lift, grind my teeth slightly, placebo euphoria and become a little talkative. But I can feel residual effects for a few hours.
I take 40mg of 6-apb, I can feel a slightly elevated mood, possibly placebo. I don't get anything else but diarrhea for 4 days.

All of the above chemicals cause me to get diarrhea, even in small doses. I am sensitive to stimulants but I also take a lot of pills regularly for health reasons so I may have ulcers or something.

I'm sure there's a micro-dose spot for 6-apb but if 100mg is a full dose and 40-50 doesn't do much, it would seem methylone or mdma would be more cost effective. 6-apb is said to be closer to mda anyway so it's slightly more trippy.

A direct friend of mine took 210-220mg 6-apb after drinking all night and taking a "party pill" earlier that night (contents were likely butylone or similar 'legal high' from the usa).
He has no experience with psychedelics at all other than this. That is a larger dose but he handled it very well. He fell in love with 6-apb. He said he was tingling all over and getting "rushes of good energy and chills" and most importantly "I am having a hard time using my phone, because I feel like I am in a 3d movie and my phone feels far away from my fingers!!"


When I was younger, mdma wouldn't cause me diarrhea or upset stomach for more than 24 hours. Now I'm a little older and my diet + medicine intake is worse, it lasts 4-5 days after.

I am still on the fence for doing a large dose of 6-apb just for the reason of diarrhea. If I wanna shit for days, I'd go with mdma.
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: war on June 23, 2012, 05:01 am
+1 for the helpful reply.

I would LOVE to microdose methylone but 1.  I dont want to lose the magic, 2. I don't know the health risks yet.

Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: zingzong on June 23, 2012, 10:33 pm
for me, 6-APB is to MDA
as Methylone is to MDMA

haven't tried 5-APB. 6-APB felt more poisonous to my body than M1. M1's re-dose abilities make it easier to abuse. I think it mixes quite well with MDMA, like a kick start.

some Caffeine might be a nice mix.

anyone else drink a red-bull while peaking?
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: promethean on June 23, 2012, 10:35 pm
Avid fan of the red bull, especially at peak times. :)
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: war on June 23, 2012, 11:48 pm
Anyone have any solid information/links on microdosing M1 or when it is thought to become harmful? 
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: DrGonzo on June 24, 2012, 12:32 am
Honestly War I have done a ton of M1 in one night, but I prolly have a tolerance, I easily can do a couple grams in a night
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: zingzong on June 24, 2012, 12:41 am
i too have done a decent amount in a night, a few nights in a row... problem is, it's hard to reach that eurphoric state sometimes on a binge and that makes you want to do more and more. the next day your jaw and maybe your head let you know you fucked up.

i like to use it to bump up a roll sometimes but don't try and be a hero, i can't say a binge has really been beneficial.
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: war on June 24, 2012, 12:41 am
Honestly War I have done a ton of M1 in one night, but I prolly have a tolerance, I easily can do a couple grams in a night

Damn, see I definitely dont want to have to get to the point where I need that much.  160mg was enough for a LONG time for me... also get back to me on PMs so we can work out #s :)
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: DrGonzo on June 24, 2012, 01:14 am
That last batch was super clean!!! I snorted a shit ton and it didnt fuck up my nose even a little bit
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: war on June 24, 2012, 03:02 am
That last batch was super clean!!! I snorted a shit ton and it didnt fuck up my nose even a little bit

Would your future batches be as good as that?  It really was awesome!
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: DrGonzo on June 24, 2012, 03:28 am
should be, but honestly Im considering moving to only bulk orders.
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: war on June 24, 2012, 03:56 am
should be, but honestly Im considering moving to only bulk orders.

All I want is bulk anyway :)  I just sort of wanted it shipped from you instead of overseas and 250g was a bit too much product haha
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: TheGrandWizard on June 24, 2012, 03:47 pm
Honestly War I have done a ton of M1 in one night, but I prolly have a tolerance, I easily can do a couple grams in a night

For me redosing on M1 has diminishing returns.  You can keep the glow going for a while, but after that things just start getting really tweaky and nervous.  I can take a reasonable amount of methylone (250-500mg) in two doses and feel pretty good the next day.  Any more than that and I'm looking at a crash and a hangover.  (Nothing as bad as the drop after a few days of binging on mephedrone or smoking MDPV, but unpleasant nonetheless). 

Fortunately, I don't find M1 particularly moreish so I don't run into this problem often.
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: DrGonzo on June 24, 2012, 10:38 pm
Im working on aquiring a domestic reshipper
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: foxymeow on June 25, 2012, 11:30 pm
Honestly War I have done a ton of M1 in one night, but I prolly have a tolerance, I easily can do a couple grams in a night

For me redosing on M1 has diminishing returns.  You can keep the glow going for a while, but after that things just start getting really tweaky and nervous.  I can take a reasonable amount of methylone (250-500mg) in two doses and feel pretty good the next day.  Any more than that and I'm looking at a crash and a hangover.  (Nothing as bad as the drop after a few days of binging on mephedrone or smoking MDPV, but unpleasant nonetheless). 

Fortunately, I don't find M1 particularly moreish so I don't run into this problem often.

Try smoking Methylone, its even more dangerous than smoking PV because you can literally go insane. My "friend" was smoking grams of PV and Methylone and got baker acted. God stuff, you should try it  ;D
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: Limetless on June 25, 2012, 11:32 pm
I can't believe people are classing the APB's as a BMW lol, they are shit IMO. Takes all sorts though I guess.
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: foxymeow on June 25, 2012, 11:34 pm
I can't believe people are classing the APB's as a BMW lol, they are shit IMO. Takes all sorts though I guess.

APB is a BMW as far as RCs go.
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: Limetless on June 25, 2012, 11:35 pm
I can't believe people are classing the APB's as a BMW lol, they are shit IMO. Takes all sorts though I guess.

APB is a BMW as far as RCs go.

Lol nah I wouldn't agree tbh. I think they are really overrated. Every time I have tried them I just think "I'd rather be on Meph or MDxx"
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: war on June 25, 2012, 11:37 pm
Meph really looks awful to me and I still havent tried the APBs but mmhmmm Methylone really is amazing to me.
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: Limetless on June 25, 2012, 11:38 pm
Meph really looks awful to me and I still havent tried the APBs but mmhmmm Methylone really is amazing to me.

Can I ask why Meph looks awful to you? I think that is a bit of a misconception.
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: war on June 25, 2012, 11:47 pm
Im not super interested in stimulants in general (way more interested in psychs).  I dont exactly remember what caused me to not want to try it but I think it was a combination of some erowid trip reports and such...  im sure at some point I will try it but as of now it doesnt really fit anywhere in my life.  If i want to party, ill drink or microdose methylone.  If i want to chill with friends or learn about myself ill mess with DMT/Nbomes etc... 
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: foxymeow on June 26, 2012, 02:52 am
I can't believe people are classing the APB's as a BMW lol, they are shit IMO. Takes all sorts though I guess.

APB is a BMW as far as RCs go.

Lol nah I wouldn't agree tbh. I think they are really overrated. Every time I have tried them I just think "I'd rather be on Meph or MDxx"

It definitely has a very different character than a cathinone and is a lot less stimmy. Then again I am not a huge fan of stimulants.
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: Limetless on June 26, 2012, 02:54 am
I can't believe people are classing the APB's as a BMW lol, they are shit IMO. Takes all sorts though I guess.

APB is a BMW as far as RCs go.

Lol nah I wouldn't agree tbh. I think they are really overrated. Every time I have tried them I just think "I'd rather be on Meph or MDxx"

It definitely has a very different character than a cathinone and is a lot less stimmy. Then again I am not a huge fan of stimulants.

Ah you see I like to ruuuuuuushhhhhh! That's sort of why I sell the products I sell lol, I'm not tempted to take them 24/7 lol.
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: foxymeow on June 26, 2012, 04:02 am
I can't believe people are classing the APB's as a BMW lol, they are shit IMO. Takes all sorts though I guess.

APB is a BMW as far as RCs go.

Lol nah I wouldn't agree tbh. I think they are really overrated. Every time I have tried them I just think "I'd rather be on Meph or MDxx"

It definitely has a very different character than a cathinone and is a lot less stimmy. Then again I am not a huge fan of stimulants.

Ah you see I like to ruuuuuuushhhhhh! That's sort of why I sell the products I sell lol, I'm not tempted to take them 24/7 lol.

M1 is quite popular for college kids lol.
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: war on June 26, 2012, 04:06 am
I can't believe people are classing the APB's as a BMW lol, they are shit IMO. Takes all sorts though I guess.

APB is a BMW as far as RCs go.

Lol nah I wouldn't agree tbh. I think they are really overrated. Every time I have tried them I just think "I'd rather be on Meph or MDxx"

It definitely has a very different character than a cathinone and is a lot less stimmy. Then again I am not a huge fan of stimulants.

Ah you see I like to ruuuuuuushhhhhh! That's sort of why I sell the products I sell lol, I'm not tempted to take them 24/7 lol.

M1 is quite popular for college kids lol.


Is it really?  Do they know theyre taking M1 or do they think its something else?  Ive never heard anyone else talk about it irl.  Supposedly, when snorting it, it becomes a much better alternative to cocaine but I would imagine meph may be a better substitute in that category.
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: Limetless on June 26, 2012, 04:42 am
I can't believe people are classing the APB's as a BMW lol, they are shit IMO. Takes all sorts though I guess.

APB is a BMW as far as RCs go.

Lol nah I wouldn't agree tbh. I think they are really overrated. Every time I have tried them I just think "I'd rather be on Meph or MDxx"

It definitely has a very different character than a cathinone and is a lot less stimmy. Then again I am not a huge fan of stimulants.

Ah you see I like to ruuuuuuushhhhhh! That's sort of why I sell the products I sell lol, I'm not tempted to take them 24/7 lol.

M1 is quite popular for college kids lol.

I'm not a college kid son.

Anyway I'm not really into M1, it don't have the intensity to it.

And War I wouldn't say M1 makes a good sub for Bing but Meph is however I think it's a bit misguided to compare Meph to Bing or MD. It's like the perfect cross between the two but something completely different at the same time.
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: war on June 26, 2012, 09:01 am
Limetless, I will definitely try it eventually... maybe if i do a bulk M1 order from you ill pick up some meph as well :) 
Title: Re: 5/6 APB vs. Methylone
Post by: Limetless on June 26, 2012, 09:22 am
Limetless, I will definitely try it eventually... maybe if i do a bulk M1 order from you ill pick up some meph as well :)

Yeah as I say I highly recommend it man, it's a real eye-opener. A lot of people think of it as just a random RC but it's so much more than that really, has a real personality to it in the same way MDMA/Bing does.