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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: ddd45 on January 26, 2012, 03:45 am

Title: Lets talk about receiving bulk packages
Post by: ddd45 on January 26, 2012, 03:45 am
I did some searching and couldn't find much on the topic of receiving bulk shipments. To further clarify I mean, primarily, bulk shipments of bud from one US seller to a US buyer. Anywhere from 1-5 lbs.

From what I can discern the following are good tips to follow:
-USPS only since they need a warrant to open your package.
-Obviously packed well to eliminate odor (preferably with a new set of gloves for each layer of packing).
-No signature delivery. In particular if it was sent no sig and they ask for one don't touch it.
-Use real name and address. Raises flags any other way.
-Helps to receive packages fairly regularly prior to shipments so it doesn't raise flags.
-For the love of god if you get caught don't say a fucking word. Let the lawyer talk. This really applies to anything (at least in the US).

I've probably forgotten a few tips that I had in mind.

I also have some general questions.

-While they don't need a warrant would UPS/Fedex be a better option due to a (possibly) lower desire to screen packages beyond an xray machine? In other words do they use drug dogs, for example? I'll also add that my house receives lots of packages (amazon, etc) already but I would say the most come on UPS. If that changes the odds at all. It's also a fairly small USPS office though with generally just one mail carrier (easy to tell if they have put an inspector in the mail womans place).
-Aside from watching for unusual vehicles and activity around the shipping location does anyone have any extra tips on what to look for if you think someone is onto you?
-If you want to receive, lets say, 8 lbs a month, would it be a better option to get one shipment or break it up? If broken up how many packages would be best?

Basically I'm hoping to get a discussion going from those who have experience in this area. While it won't be of much interest to many SR users I think it's a valuable topic to cover.

Thanks in advance for any input.

Title: Re: Lets talk about receiving bulk packages
Post by: yaosh on January 26, 2012, 01:30 pm
I'd say read up on sterile and aseptic technique.  Practice with a dummy "product" covered in UV dye.  Go through process, then check with UV lamp to see where you left dye.  Find out why and fix it.  Scent moves the same way.

Do not do final layers in the same area where you work with product.  Even dust in the air will leave enough for a dog who really likes treats to find.

Packages should conform to "normal" mail as much as possible.  I.e., "business" mail from XYZ Associates, Inc. should not be stiff, uneven, unprofessional, have any discernible texture in the envelope.

Use ZIP+4 in USPS and PRINTED labels only.  Make sure the package can make it through auto sorting fine without getting kicked out for manual sorting due to handwriting, uneven envelopes, peeling labels which snag on sorters...etc.

Dunno... DOES UPS/FedEx use dogs?...  Someone knowledgeable chime in here.

8 lbs a month?  Yeah I'd break that up into non-felony quantities if possible, depending on what it is.  You have to weigh the charges if one gets caught against the risk increase by having many packages through the system.

My $0.02

***See also: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=7236.0  A USPS report on drug interception techniques, with references to federal guidelines.
Title: Re: Lets talk about receiving bulk packages
Post by: tordemon on January 26, 2012, 09:54 pm
At 8 pounds a month, I would try to make them smaller shipments. I'd probably break it up into 4-ounce shipments, and send them frequently. At the beginning I would make sure I waited until the previous shipment arrived before getting the next one, but eventually you could ship them before the previous one had arrived. And if one doesn't show up, stop everything until you can figure out why.

But it's not like I'm experienced in this. 8 pounds is a lot, my friend. Good luck. =]
Title: Re: Lets talk about receiving bulk packages
Post by: Rook on January 28, 2012, 12:32 am
Everyone I know who has been caught has used FedEx.  They seem to have a pretty good system for finding weed.  I can't imagine UPS being any better. 

The flip side is that you get into less trouble using a private mail carrier vs USPS.

I would definitely stick with USPS.
Title: Re: Lets talk about receiving bulk packages
Post by: ddd45 on January 28, 2012, 05:37 pm
Thanks for the input guys.

While I think the best way may be to split it up a bit I'm not sure splitting it into QPs is the way to go. That's slightly more than a packagea day if the quantity is 8lbs. Seems like that would look rather suspicious.
Title: Re: Lets talk about receiving bulk packages
Post by: tordemon on January 29, 2012, 07:03 pm
Thanks for the input guys.

While I think the best way may be to split it up a bit I'm not sure splitting it into QPs is the way to go. That's slightly more than a packagea day if the quantity is 8lbs. Seems like that would look rather suspicious.
Well, the other method would be physical delivery. Could go on a road trip, depending on where they're located. My old dealer around here used to go on monthly road trips to California to pick up a kilo or two of buds.
Title: Re: Lets talk about receiving bulk packages
Post by: uniwiz on January 29, 2012, 10:30 pm
If your going to move that much how about this, just thinking.

Do 1 lb shipments.
Train/buy/rent a dog, plus the stuff stated above.
8 packages a month? Not bad.
Title: Re: Lets talk about receiving bulk packages
Post by: verbal on January 31, 2012, 07:07 am

Well, the other method would be physical delivery. Could go on a road trip, depending on where they're located. My old dealer around here used to go on monthly road trips to California to pick up a kilo or two of buds.
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On that note would anyone be interested in a courier service? I have experience in this field in NA at least.
Title: Re: Lets talk about receiving bulk packages
Post by: Holly on January 31, 2012, 07:12 am
Sending packages through the mail is safer than driving with drugs...
Title: Re: Lets talk about receiving bulk packages
Post by: Marceline on January 31, 2012, 07:12 am
When dealing with bulk, don't have anything linked to you at all. Get a mailbox under a fake name.
Title: Re: Lets talk about receiving bulk packages
Post by: verbal on January 31, 2012, 07:34 am
Sending packages through the mail is safer than driving with drugs...

I would think that depends on the item and circumstances.
Title: Re: Lets talk about receiving bulk packages
Post by: tordemon on February 01, 2012, 12:20 am
Sending packages through the mail is safer than driving with drugs...

I would think that depends on the item and circumstances.
Both are pretty safe. You have to legitimately do something wrong in order to be searched in either situation. But, all things considered, I sketch much less about receiving them in the mail, because even if they are discovered, I have plausible deniability.
Title: Re: Lets talk about receiving bulk packages
Post by: Marceline on February 01, 2012, 12:27 am
Sending packages through the mail is safer than driving with drugs...

I would think that depends on the item and circumstances.
Both are pretty safe. You have to legitimately do something wrong in order to be searched in either situation. But, all things considered, I sketch much less about receiving them in the mail, because even if they are discovered, I have plausible deniability.
Depends where you are. There are some places in the US with random 'DUI' checkpoints that always have K9 units at them as well.
Title: Re: Lets talk about receiving bulk packages
Post by: verbal on February 01, 2012, 01:39 am

Both are pretty safe. You have to legitimately do something wrong in order to be searched in either situation. But, all things considered, I sketch much less about receiving them in the mail, because even if they are discovered, I have plausible deniability.
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I agree with that as a general rule but I think we can all agree there are some things that can't be shipped through conventional means (bulk shipments, people, etc.). Beyond that, is there really any plausible deniability when you are receiving eight lbs? Monthly at that?

Yes there are risks associated with moving items personally but preparation and some good ol' social engineering will help mitigate those risks.
Title: Re: Lets talk about receiving bulk packages
Post by: cloud9ne on February 01, 2012, 02:49 am
Hopefully the guy sending you pounds has cut it up into smaller packages, is not shipping it overnight service (red flag) and has vac sealed and put inside tupperware so cops can't 'accidentally' stab your suspicious box with wires and puncture any vac bags.. then notice a smell and have probably cause to open and inspect it.

Everytime I read about a Fedex or UPS bust it was always dope falling out, not vac sealed, hand written addresses, or even worse mixed with a bunch of coffee which is a clear giveaway everytime
Title: Re: Lets talk about receiving bulk packages
Post by: tordemon on February 01, 2012, 06:53 pm
Sending packages through the mail is safer than driving with drugs...

I would think that depends on the item and circumstances.
Both are pretty safe. You have to legitimately do something wrong in order to be searched in either situation. But, all things considered, I sketch much less about receiving them in the mail, because even if they are discovered, I have plausible deniability.
Depends where you are. There are some places in the US with random 'DUI' checkpoints that always have K9 units at them as well.
But then you're fine as long as you're not driving intoxicated. Constitutionally, that's all they're allowed to look for at these checkpoints (I'd look up the Supreme Court cases justifying this, but I'm too lazy tbqh). So as long as everything in the visible portion of the car is fine, you'd be fine, though you might be sketching a fair amount.