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Title: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: johndoe1111 on May 11, 2012, 02:25 am
It seems as of late people have been using this forum as a means for impatient people to throw wild accusations around whenever a vendor doesn't respond as quickly as the buyer would like.

I would like to point out a few things that you should remember before coming here to make a post about how a vendor is a scammer:

1) This is a marketplace run by people, not by large corporations or brick and mortar chains or anything like that. Most of the vendors on here will try to communicate and process your order within a timely fashion, but shit happens when you are a skeleton crew working in the black market. You cannot expect the same standard of reliability and customer service you would get from an actual corporation every time. Real life, work, order backlogs, supply problems, etc. etc. are all very common place. If you are only waiting 3 days of no contact before calling a vendor a "scammer" then honestly you are doing the community a huge disservice even though you probably think you are doing good. Wait a good amount of time before starting to throw out accusations, honestly I'd give vendors up to 2 weeks to contact me. I've had much longer customer service response times even from the best of companies like Amazon or Newegg.

2) If you do feel very compelled to make a post, and cannot wait, try going to the vendor's designated review thread and posting your EXPERIENCE, without throwing the accusation of scammer around. You can go on a vendor's page and say "ordered from this guy 5 days ago, haven't heard anything back, anybody have a similar experience?"... Lets deal in facts, not in conjecture.

3) This has been said many many many times before but I will repeat it here. When you Finalize Early, you are assuming all the risk in the transaction. You have to accept this fact. When you accept this fact, you should have a higher tolerance for risk and that being said you really shouldn't do it if you are an impatient, paranoid person or you really need that shipment. When I FE, I do so with the knowledge that I may end up losing all the money I've laid out. It is a bit like lending money to friends - It only works if you are prepared never to see that money again ;)
Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: cacoethes on May 11, 2012, 05:44 am
It seems as of late people have been using this forum as a means for impatient people to throw wild accusations around whenever a vendor doesn't respond as quickly as the buyer would like.

I would like to point out a few things that you should remember before coming here to make a post about how a vendor is a scammer:

1) This is a marketplace run by people, not by large corporations or brick and mortar chains or anything like that. Most of the vendors on here will try to communicate and process your order within a timely fashion, but shit happens when you are a skeleton crew working in the black market. You cannot expect the same standard of reliability and customer service you would get from an actual corporation every time. Real life, work, order backlogs, supply problems, etc. etc. are all very common place. If you are only waiting 3 days of no contact before calling a vendor a "scammer" then honestly you are doing the community a huge disservice even though you probably think you are doing good. Wait a good amount of time before starting to throw out accusations, honestly I'd give vendors up to 2 weeks to contact me. I've had much longer customer service response times even from the best of companies like Amazon or Newegg.

2) If you do feel very compelled to make a post, and cannot wait, try going to the vendor's designated review thread and posting your EXPERIENCE, without throwing the accusation of scammer around. You can go on a vendor's page and say "ordered from this guy 5 days ago, haven't heard anything back, anybody have a similar experience?"... Lets deal in facts, not in conjecture.

3) This has been said many many many times before but I will repeat it here. When you Finalize Early, you are assuming all the risk in the transaction. You have to accept this fact. When you accept this fact, you should have a higher tolerance for risk and that being said you really shouldn't do it if you are an impatient, paranoid person or you really need that shipment. When I FE, I do so with the knowledge that I may end up losing all the money I've laid out. It is a bit like lending money to friends - It only works if you are prepared never to see that money again ;)

And I'm only speaking for myself here but please, for the love of WhateverGod you subscribe to:  I am not interested in reading about your problems with a vendor in the forums until you have tried to work it out with your vendor in private FIRST.  Vendors make mistakes.  Vendors do not have FDA guidelines regulating quality control.  Talk to them.  Message them.  Build a relationship with them, and give them a chance to make good on whatever it was that made you feel slighted.  Most vendors care about their reputations and will often offer to make things right.

And if they don't, you can still crucify them here after making an honest attempt to resolve the issue in private.  I sure as hell would be less inclined to help a buyer out after having my name dragged through the forums than I would be had the buyer messaged me privately to let me know what's wrong.  In fact, most vendors have  such advice listed on their vendor's page.

Running to the forums with every little petty gripe makes you look like a spoiled child, casts you in a negative light, and makes it look like you're trying to extort free shit by using the court of public opinion as a jury.  I care only about the resolution itself, and nothing for the back-biting that occurs along the way.

Forums are for HONEST reviews, but no one likes a whiny tattle-tale any more than they like vendors who allow themselves to engage in the same type public behavior.  Communication goes a long way towards a mutually beneficial resolution!
Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: smokeweed420 on May 11, 2012, 05:51 am
i completely agree, +1
Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: Delta11 on May 11, 2012, 07:05 pm
It seems as of late people have been using this forum as a means for impatient people to throw wild accusations around whenever a vendor doesn't respond as quickly as the buyer would like.

I would like to point out a few things that you should remember before coming here to make a post about how a vendor is a scammer:

1) This is a marketplace run by people, not by large corporations or brick and mortar chains or anything like that. Most of the vendors on here will try to communicate and process your order within a timely fashion, but shit happens when you are a skeleton crew working in the black market. You cannot expect the same standard of reliability and customer service you would get from an actual corporation every time. Real life, work, order backlogs, supply problems, etc. etc. are all very common place. If you are only waiting 3 days of no contact before calling a vendor a "scammer" then honestly you are doing the community a huge disservice even though you probably think you are doing good. Wait a good amount of time before starting to throw out accusations, honestly I'd give vendors up to 2 weeks to contact me. I've had much longer customer service response times even from the best of companies like Amazon or Newegg.

2) If you do feel very compelled to make a post, and cannot wait, try going to the vendor's designated review thread and posting your EXPERIENCE, without throwing the accusation of scammer around. You can go on a vendor's page and say "ordered from this guy 5 days ago, haven't heard anything back, anybody have a similar experience?"... Lets deal in facts, not in conjecture.

3) This has been said many many many times before but I will repeat it here. When you Finalize Early, you are assuming all the risk in the transaction. You have to accept this fact. When you accept this fact, you should have a higher tolerance for risk and that being said you really shouldn't do it if you are an impatient, paranoid person or you really need that shipment. When I FE, I do so with the knowledge that I may end up losing all the money I've laid out. It is a bit like lending money to friends - It only works if you are prepared never to see that money again ;)

And I'm only speaking for myself here but please, for the love of WhateverGod you subscribe to:  I am not interested in reading about your problems with a vendor in the forums until you have tried to work it out with your vendor in private FIRST.  Vendors make mistakes.  Vendors do not have FDA guidelines regulating quality control.  Talk to them.  Message them.  Build a relationship with them, and give them a chance to make good on whatever it was that made you feel slighted.  Most vendors care about their reputations and will often offer to make things right.

And if they don't, you can still crucify them here after making an honest attempt to resolve the issue in private.  I sure as hell would be less inclined to help a buyer out after having my name dragged through the forums than I would be had the buyer messaged me privately to let me know what's wrong.  In fact, most vendors have  such advice listed on their vendor's page.

Running to the forums with every little petty gripe makes you look like a spoiled child, casts you in a negative light, and makes it look like you're trying to extort free shit by using the court of public opinion as a jury.  I care only about the resolution itself, and nothing for the back-biting that occurs along the way.

Forums are for HONEST reviews, but no one likes a whiny tattle-tale any more than they like vendors who allow themselves to engage in the same type public behavior.  Communication goes a long way towards a mutually beneficial resolution!
It's rare for a buyer to go that extent but when they do, it really takes us vendors down. I've always resolved my issues because when I make a mistake and the buyer informs me through a message, I'll do everything I can to make it right, but if a buyer just slams a 1/5 on my feedback and starts yelling that I'm a scammer then how can I resolve that?
Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: Limetless on May 11, 2012, 07:11 pm
Good vibes in this thread. :)
Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: somahaoma on May 11, 2012, 07:48 pm
completely agree +1
Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: DivineMomentsofTruth on May 11, 2012, 07:59 pm
Good vibes in this thread. :)
Yes indeed..way better vibes than almost all of the threads in rumor mill started since 420.
Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: kingpinirl on May 11, 2012, 08:03 pm
I agree to a certain extent, specifically w/ item #2, and with the fact that a new thread doesn't need to be made about every vendor that has a delay, thus making them an instant scammer.

I personally like to know who I am doing business with.  I like to know if a vendor holds a product 5 days before it goes to the mail, or if a vendor lists products that they don't  have in stock.  Without people crying to the forums, we don't get to see what a typical (or non-typical) transaction looks like for potential buyers.  They way people have been going about it lately "XXX is a scammer" is no good, but like you said, it should be posted somewhere (vendor account page, or drug of choice review forum eg coke thread).

For example, GOA - God of all  - from reading reviews (and from personal exp), you can see that his shipments are almost always sent the very same day as ordered (or next day) and get just about anywhere in 2-3 days.  On the other side, you see people like TheUsualSuspects (I don't think he is even on here anymore) that delivers, but it's a crap shoot on when it will get to you, may take 3 weeks, but it will get there.  Then, you have new vendors that take your order, then cancel it in 4 days because they don't have (or couldn't acquire) product.

I like to know this stuff before buying - I like to know as much about someone as I can before sending my address, and my bitcoin their way.  I am NOT about drama, and there is a lot of it on here, but not all disputes should be worked out behind the public eye - a lot of them should be in the light so all can see and choose who they want to work with here. 

My opinion - many will probably disagree.

Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: geedogg on May 11, 2012, 09:01 pm
oh man this is so refreshing....i've only been on SR and forums for a few months now but I expect it's possible i'll lose the money if i FE early. Shit can happen and we cannot expect the vendor to take the hit...By ordering illegal drugs online, you are solely responsible if it gets snatched.
So, do your homework with a vendor, if you're an established buyer (i.e 5+/$300+ tx), never FE, and be PATIENT!!! If you need shit desperately within days, It's not reliable...If you are throwing all the money you have into an order, DO NOT DO IT! YOU MAY LOSE IT!! It really does my nut in to see people whining about how they FE'd and now they're kicking off, demanding refunds, resolution, shit storms in the forum, when you have been fucking warned not to do it.....Even on the basket page where you place your order....It's in bold letters to FE AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Also, look at the VortexMilkman situation.....Some shit went down, bare people callin him scammer straight off, all new cust's checkin his sale and cheap prices for meth....people who had been here(SR) a while just chilled n were polite...patient. new guys were PM'in everyday, chattin bare shit on forums, trollin. As VMM got shit together, people started receiving....He is still here after being suspended as he is a stand up vendor who went through some shit but got it back together......As OP said, this is not legal, n it aint ebay or a corp to run this ting....it's human beings!! And it's a turbulent business!!! DO PEOPLE NOT GET THIS???

On another note....Limetless, hats off to you sir! You are Gangster No.1!!!! Your listings are some of the sickest online, you tell it like it is and with a great (British  8)) sense of humour and you can spot bullshit a mile away........Congrats on being bumped to Mod....You shall fill the role greatly!! I'll have to buy some shit off you bruv!! haha
Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: Limetless on May 11, 2012, 09:02 pm
OP you got yourself some Karma! :)
Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: PoisonedDestiny on May 11, 2012, 09:18 pm
nothing i can add here but agree 100%.  i never commit more money then i am willing to throw away to any order, unless i have built a solid relationship with a vendor.
buyers need to take pride in being honorable.  we have rep too, and mine is very important to me. 
i'm the girl in the supermarket that doesn't blame the customer service associates for a bad product, and i don't throw a shit storm at clerks just to try to save a dollar.
i used to work in customer service, and i don't want to be that person everyone flees from when they see them coming.
when you deal with corporations, you blame the corporation.  but here it's individuals and small teams, and hell many of them are more efficient then the largest, bloated, outsourced-to-all-hell corps out there!
it almost says something.  even with minimal regulation in a black market environment you can really tell when a vendor loves what they do.  you get that personal touch that is missing from the modern economy.  so as buyers we are more like individuals in a farmer's market, getting to know the producers, then one among a crowd of loudmouths at a walmart.  we want to come to the fruit stand and get to look at the "special" harvest that no one else gets to see.  be friendly on the vendor threads, this is like the floor of the shop.  if you hung out at a small shop and some asshole stormed in, screaming and throwing accusations, it bristles everyone else, does it not?
tip a vendor if they rock.  thank them.  then if something goes wrong, your concerns carry weight.  don't be consumers, be customers. 

*destiny*
Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: Horizons on May 11, 2012, 09:22 pm
First RxKing's thread, now this one. I'm glad to see we still have a good share of sane people 'round these parts.
Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: professortwak on May 11, 2012, 09:54 pm
i'd just like to chime in and say that people need to remember that some of us on here do a shit ton of drugs.  i find hard to believe that i can still even type by friday.  you know i came to SR as a BUYER... ya hear?

i'm sure there are many more that are comfortable mentioning that. i don't care.  i love the judgements from other member of silk fucking road.  i suppose you came here to buy some melatonin. :)

so on behalf of the fellow drug users and hardcore motherfuckers, i'd like to ask for a little compassion regarding the man hours involved in running a full on customer service department and mailroom at the same time..... with one person.  we are paid well, but that doesn't mean it isn't difficult.

prof T.
Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: Limetless on May 11, 2012, 09:59 pm
On another note....Limetless, hats off to you sir! You are Gangster No.1!!!! Your listings are some of the sickest online, you tell it like it is and with a great (British  8)) sense of humour and you can spot bullshit a mile away........Congrats on being bumped to Mod....You shall fill the role greatly!! I'll have to buy some shit off you bruv!! haha

Thanks dude. You need any Meph, an armoured car, a 50L Double-Jacket reactor or money laundering advice let me know. I'll hook you up. ;)
Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: h4xx on May 11, 2012, 10:04 pm
The louder somebody is the more likely they are a scammer trying to get a freebie. It's like when you're in line at freaking Walmart and the guy in front of you with the stolen card, or trying the stolen receipt return trick is losing it causing a scene just so they will let him go with his stolen scammer shit. Standard scammer tactics create a big enough scene so everybody notices and panic the clerk into doing whatever you want (run your stolen card)

People who aren't scammers go to the supplier first and sort out the mess without dragging it out in public.

Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: ilovelsd69 on May 11, 2012, 10:09 pm
On another note....Limetless, hats off to you sir! You are Gangster No.1!!!! Your listings are some of the sickest online, you tell it like it is and with a great (British  8)) sense of humour and you can spot bullshit a mile away........Congrats on being bumped to Mod....You shall fill the role greatly!! I'll have to buy some shit off you bruv!! haha

Thanks dude. You need any Meph, an armoured car, a 50L Double-Jacket reactor or money laundering advice let me know. I'll hook you up. ;)

Limetless, the armoured car is my favorite item on silkroad. If only i have enough money to buy it ;)
Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: CleanUpMyMess on May 11, 2012, 10:10 pm
I take responsibility for acting in the way described by OP.

It was impulsive, rude and stupid of me. I feel very ashamed that I did what I did.

I apologize to the community. I also apologized to the vendor I did this to.

This post is like confessing my sins :). It won't happen again ;)
Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: geedogg on May 11, 2012, 11:02 pm
On another note....Limetless, hats off to you sir! You are Gangster No.1!!!! Your listings are some of the sickest online, you tell it like it is and with a great (British  8)) sense of humour and you can spot bullshit a mile away........Congrats on being bumped to Mod....You shall fill the role greatly!! I'll have to buy some shit off you bruv!! haha

Thanks dude. You need any Meph, an armoured car, a 50L Double-Jacket reactor or money laundering advice let me know. I'll hook you up. ;)

Mate....I wouldn't turn to anyone else!! Badman!!! For starters, I love all the chems/RC's you sell....The tech goods are like a dream!! lol

Back on topic....I am a recovering/partially using heroin addict and I know how impatient people can be when they need the drugs they require. If you need to be getting drugs as a matter of staying well, then SR is not really an option to maintain on. Post can be delayed and may not even come in worst case.....Please be sensible when buying here....DO NOT DO YOURSELF OVER. thank you.....

Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: redalloverthelandguyhere on May 12, 2012, 02:09 am
I treat vendors here as I would the girls or boys on checkout tills at the local shops. With courtesy!

OK - this is not Wal Mart or Asda - its SR and so we never see the vendors or the security (mods) face to face. the owner of SR is not praised in business sections of the media for actually serving a need to consumers. Illegality aside I treat this place as a shop and the vendors as real live human beings who have lives beyond this 'work' here.

I actually think a select group of us here - 100 or so - would have a bloody ball if we met up and all done our thing.. Most of us seem to be guys but all guys assume the responsibility of purchasing drugs. My wife does the coke shopping when we stay with her Sister who lives so near Mexico that we always get sterling coke there. I once smuggled back 10 grams on the sly but the wife blew her top!!! Its just that the coke there - the 'straight from the Mexican lab block' is so bloody tempting to have in your stash box! Never even thought of posting it  - lol.

Anyhow back to the subject in hand.- buyers throwing accusations at vendors!

Let us be real for a moment. With drugs you get a few addicts or dedicated weekend users who get VERY upset if the postal delivery does not work how they want it! Drug users are SO impatient! Hell - in real life coke users who are waiting for the deal to arrive via car are smoking like chimneys and gripping the sofa! Even potheads - I think any drug user gets a bit 'twitchy' waiting for drugs when its been bought via the post off some anon seller. Buying off SR is not like real life were you can even visit the dealer if goods do not arrive! In the UK most deals of coke and heroin (which I never have used) get it dropped off via courier after phoning in the order. Young men aged 17 to 25 do this job. Many will dip into the supply but to be fair the punishment for stealing drugs is very severe so for the most part its the main dealer who mixes the gear. The weight is always spot on. After all its easy to do this by adding more whatever.

In real life - I know people who have lost big amounts of cash off rip off scam artistes.

One scam used is to buy a decent nine bar of hash (soap bar) then cut off the two ends - then make some 'formula hash' which can be anything from old falling apart shit hash held together with (at best) low grade cannabis oil). The buyer burns off a joint and agrees that its well worth £40 an ounce so hands over £270 for what is actually about an ounce of hash that sells at £20 if you know the guy. ALL soap bar hash is either just weak as hell or the worse shit you could ever smoke.

In real life - people who complain about quality have to be VERY careful. If people waded in like the do here on SR they would be punched and beaten baseball bats. Maybe stabbed in the bum for humiliation and to make an example. Approaching dealers has to be done with great diplomacy in real life not least because most dealers are in it for the money. the rest are paying for their drugs and are the most likely to rip people off if they are small time dealer addicts.

In real life, if buying anything substantial - I always expect a sample. For example if buying an 8 ball of coke (when coke was good in the 90s) the dealer would always chip some off the block and let me test it out. With hash it was the same but in my local area we have dealers who have been dealing for 30 years. One guy I know has been selling for 50 years! A few real life dealers are users but sell enough to not have to dilute the powders.

One incident I had in real life. I went to buy a '£10 deal' off a regular dealer who had a family. He sold from his mates flat but had to sell from the house for a night. I saw a friend who had just came out out. He showed me a big fat bag of some Pakistani black! It was well over 3 grams. I went to buy my £10 deal and got only two grams. I made vocal my concern at seeing a mate who got a deal that was bigger! I ended up having an argument and unwisely used profanities. The guy went for me - and his sidekick also, some steroid using guy of 5 foot 6 who was shaped like a giant muscle.

To cut a long story short I went back to apologies to the guy and his wife the next day. He accepted it and even threw me a nice free piece of the hash. He told me how he hated customers treating the family home like some pub - swearing and shouting and getting moody. I was lucky. Many dealers today need a reputation of violence due to the illegality of drugs an the fact there are so many 'rip and run' gangs preying on dealers. I got off lightly. Some people I know have ended up seriously injured just for complaining over the quality of some 0.5 gram bag of £15 coke.

Heroin users are the worse. The younger kids who are hired to do the selling treat the users like shit. If anyone wants hone a rep for violence they beat up heroin addicts. £10 debt is enough to have some 15 yr old given the chance to show how ruthless he can be. Heroin users are seen as the lowest of the low but they are human beings. The bullies who pick on them are low - and I've stood in a few times to stop this happening. The main dealers are obvious but cops find it easy to pick up the 16 yr old with a bag of weed or a few tabs. A mate who is a cop tells me they are a revenue service now - he is lucky as he works outside that tax collecting.

Here on SR disputes are EASY!!!

In real life if you hand over money for drugs - and do not see the drugs that day - they are gone!!!

Here on SR we use a postal system to deliver the drugs. Its so much more practical and moral than using a 14 yr old kid on a mountain-bike.

Of course - when purchasing drugs here - you need to give it some time before they arrive. Best to plan WELL in advance and not just make a haphazard decision to buy some coke at Friday 3.30am and expect it to come for the weekend!!

Give some thought for the vendors here also!!! For example in the recent sale - some vendors were swamped with orders!! One German vendor I used - got my delivery out the Monday after the sale which ius epic stuff!! the same vendor was being torn to pieces in the sale as goods never came days later!! This vendor lost 2 Ks of gear! Regardless he has been fulfilling orders and now people are getting them and some apologizing for jumping to conclusions!!

Noriega also got written off as a scam. Well - now it seems people are getting their goods! We will see of course but things happen to vendors in real life. Sure some will say 'you ought to have you act together' but we are human beings. No matter how we try to be perfect we cannot be!

I have made almost 30 transactions so far. Every one has come apart from some lady-boy from Canada called Tony. I donated my BTC so he could have his penis removed and transplanted to the top of his head!

One loss! But my own fault as I fell for his 'hey brother' bullshit. I also fell for the 'fans' but think many were sneaky accounts with Tony or a group of scammers playing us.

But Tony aside - everyone I have dealt with has honored their side of the deal. (30 deals or so - a few to finalize) All I have to do is click on the finalize button - which is done each time I get something posted. I give it five but do state I have yet to test the product. With coke, E, speed - I may not have time to test as I am in work and its a long shift ahead. Hash I can test right away or even smell and look at it to know its decent gear.

so the few problems I has with vendors I just sent them a PM explaining politely what my concern was. I tell it like it is but try to be lighthearted. NEVER cry about losing money you could not afford because if you did then more fool you for spending money on drugs when it ought to be shopping first for family - odds and ends - bills paid - then treat yourself time!! I hate it when people cry over losing 200BTC plus and involving others whereby they will buy some of the parcel off them. do NOT sell stuff you aint got. If mates want to try MDMA then get them to share the risk also.

So far vendors have been good to me in the problems I have had.

Title: Re: A disturbing new trend on the forums...
Post by: redalloverthelandguyhere on May 12, 2012, 02:10 am
Part 2 of the above - exceeded the number of characters!


In one case - 2 boxes of 2mg Valium was 4 tabs short. 44 instead of 48. I could have PM'd the guy saying 'hey you motherfucker - you ripped me off you cocksucking necrophliac piece of shit.'

I could have offered to visit and 'shoot your dirty vermin stealing ass - plus burn the family dog and eat it in front of the kids'.

 I could have said 'You will DIE for this you fucking rat'. but - lol - I was polite and its only 4 tabs - 8mg of valium here! Genuine mistake so I PM'd the guy saying there was a slight mistake and nothing to cry over'. He offered to reship the four. I declined saying it was too much work and postage for four tabs and he can make it up next time I order. Just made an order. Offered a choice of other samples so this is a lesson on how to initiate some agreement on what might be a genuine mistake. the guy has enough Valium if he wants to dabble!

Another mistake was some hash. I made one order but something completely different came! Rather than cry about it on the forum I contacted the vendor and offered to photograph the product. It was 7 grams. I sent a nice PM explaining how the hash was not up to my VERY fussy standard. (I am an hash expert) The guy who got the PM misunderstood and sent out a 3.5 gram pack of the same hash! So - I had a good deal - but in real life I sell things and cannot leave a customer unhappy. I contacted the vendor by PM again - and we agreed to a refund but I stipulated that he ought to take off the postage and packing costs he incurred twice. The bitcoins went into my account here promptly. I was told that I could keep the hash I had. May cook with it as I am way too fussy smoking hash and only the very best will do.

To top it off the vendor offered to send me the next top quality hash to review it here!

Another decent vendor here - made an offer for my upcoming anniversary of the day I met my wife - not the marriage! I literally had tears in my eyes and felt part of a community here.

So if you have issues with a vendor then contact them!

Be polite. Explain when you made the purchase. Be informative re doses and so on. Try to have a sense of humor. After all this is the drug scene. We are trying to redefine it and make it less dangerous. At worse here we get stung but if you stay in escrow then you will see your bitcoins returned to your account. All of them! So far I had one vendor, dutch quality beans, just vanish! I knew SR had to give the guy time to either show or not and after two weeks I got refunded!

Vendors here deal with more rip off merchants then sellers do. Some sellers might be rude and obnoxious and even aggressive! Most vendors here are honest! That is - they send what is advertised! I ought to know as my 30 odd sales have all bought me the product as described. coke being an exception but we all know that's the hardest drug to please people. That said, coke aside, the MDMA here was the best I had for 15 years. I gave up on MDMA but now have something for Christmas, New Year, Birthday and maybe two other treat days! Speed, its got a use for 48 hour stints of very well paid work! Valium - great sleeping aid that works as long as I use maybe weekly, twice weekly tops. Hash is everyday. SR had sourced me some of the hash I trek miles to find in Holland! Now coming back from Holland I will not longer have to bring back 20 grams of Afghan black! My women hates me when I come back with hash. I think smuggling through airports is reckless and stupid but I love hash and its only a fine when you get caught.

Treat vendors with respect. We do not know them or what their lives are like. Some may be married with kids. Others caring for people. Many have jobs also.

I treat my relationship with vendors as business. But business relations have their own etiquette and maybe we need to teach younger people how to be more civil. Vendors here notice returning customers. My best vendors I have not even needed to send a PM to as they are busy people and I surmise they would sooner not have too many PMs as time is money! My main hash vendor recently went offline for 3 days and it caused mayhem. They came back here and had had some issues in real life! We ALL worry when a vendor does not put in the daily appearance but sometimes shit happens. So my Afghan hash is safe still! I like getting off a UK vendor as you need to buy about 100 grams before you see those big savings. Even then you risk even with tracking! 50% refund or resend. Scary to lose so much BTC so I settle for 5 - 10 grams at a time. I hope the vendor notices my repeat custom and maybe includes a few extra bit for loyalty! Hash vendors ought to take note when customers reach the 30 gram stage! But to be honest - with UK Pharm (my choice of hash guys) weight is spot on and the hash is beautiful. I suspect Sativa based hash - but whatever its a rare treat and I think every coin SR earn is worth it,

Obviously we will have buyers who have their own problems. Some may have bad backgrounds and mental issues which I feel sorry for. That said if they get aggressive and come on the forums making all manner of accusations about vendors then we take it with a pinch of salt.

Of course, sometimes, as with Tony the Canadian scammer, the 'complaining customers' were ripped apart by either duped fans who got something good or fake accounts which piled on the peer group pressure.

So I read ALL posts and with Tony it was funny to see how the cynics who has him pinned were right. his 'fans' - some losing 200 BTC (and more besides on his outside market site) had to defend him for a while as it is human nature to believe you have not been scammed!!!

All in all most vendors here are honest.

I have only found one who does not reply to PMs. I will write another concerning quality of a product he admits in his profile page that 'some did not like this'. Well - lets just say - I have 5 grams of something that ought to keep a gang of 14 guys up all night. I suspect we would actually be sleeping like babies by 11.00pm. Not sure if the vendor even replies to anyone as so far a few people have suggested this. I was polite and cordial and merely wanted to make sure that he got some feedback on his produce. I paid 10 BTC or so but if I can wash this stuff in acetone then I might be able to see just how far up the backside I have been hurt.

On the street - you can get shot, stabbed, beaten and just plain old robbed of your wallet and phone plus any jewellery. Even guys get their clothes robbed.

So on SR if you have problems - be polite - do not lose your rag. NEVER order drugs expecting them on a certain day!!! If I want some hash I will order and giive it a week because its UK vendor. Never wait a week but best be safe. With any non UK vendor - I give it two weeks. With the USA I only buy stuff that will be a treat when it arrives be that 2 weeks or three or more.

With Canada - I actually just get a cucumber - a fairly long one - I lube it up and I guess that is how long you will have to wait if you ordered off Tony. Video it - maybe you will het 0.5 BTC off someone here who might like the idea of seeing someone take on for 'good ole Tone'.

Son of a deranged mother screwed me on a gram of coke for a VERY special occasion. I ordered a month or so before the occasion giving enough time to get more! But - life moves on! The guy likely has his own issues getting high off his own supply.

Should have went to the USA for a short stay. Any Americans who are related by family to a Mexican has about 500 cousins, 1500 second cousins and ten thousand or so third cousins. At least one can get hold of top cocaine. Most Mexicans who get cocaine are not cartel. Most ordinary Mexicans HATE those violent lunatics who will throw a bag full of heads into a disco. But Americans who cry about Mexican violence ought to consider that dropping nuclear bombs was seen by the rest of the world as the biggest act of killing in the shortest time span ever!

Anyhow - sorry for the longish opinionated dissertation. No! I am not on meth or coke!

So be nice to vendors. PM once, explain your difficulties or issues. If they do not reply but are here each day to fill in the orders and take your hard earned money then - if they persist in not answering a polite and concise PM then its possible they might be a candidate for the Asshole of Year competition. First prize this year is a yachting holiday off the coast of Somalia, second prize is a to lead the gay pride parade ib Afghanistan and third prize is 10 grams of Tony's 'MDMA' which would turn drum and bass hardcore night into an empty room by 12.30am.

So whilst most vendors here do a good job - many actually do out of their way to treat customers with respect. I've opened up many a envelope to find some 'free' gift inside!

Only this evening I visited the guys address I use and found an envelope containing 5 Valium  I ordered in some 3 for a bitcoin deal by the Afghan Apothecary (who has passed on the captains seat to his understudy) Its not the first time an order off this vendor has included extra. Sometimes an extra equal to the value of the item bought which was a fair price! I had only one issue with the AA and have explained it him but the message needs to passed on as the original AA does not manage the AA store.

Other vendors - I have never had to PM or get in touch with EVER. UK Pharm - I order a fair bit off these guys. Always the same hash. Some have had overweight but mine is always just bang on the weight! In real life - or in the street - an 'eighth of an ounce' actually means anything from 1.9 grams to 2.5 or something. Also in the street - the vendor telling you that 'this is the best Afghan hash in the UK' really means that he is selling some crumbly old hash sold for £500 a kilo or worse - formula hash which is not hash. I suspect that pro spammers are even adding the psychoactive chemical cannabis cannabanoids  to the mixes. UKPharm deliver the exact right weight - plus a REAL pleasure of an hash to smoke - and its delivered to the doorstep!! No car journey to moody dealers. No more wondering if the police are watching the dealers house. No more knives pulled on you.

So remember vendors here are people too! They do us a great service by eliminating the time consuming bullshit that drug buyers have to go through. We sit at the comfort of the sofa - wife reading her magazine about cheats and murdering husbands - so you browse the SR securely - asking yourself what you fancy for the festivals this year! For me I like to have the ultimate festival stash box. One so good the guys and girls on the stage would envy me.

For me the vendors here are not 'heroes' but they are pioneers who are pointing the way to how a society might be if drugs were just treated as any other commodity which might carry some risk. More people die on bicycles than coke or E but nobody says 'save the kids from death'. We actually let the kids take a risk. they might die. We could die walking to work or driving or in work. Everyone will die but in the meantime we want to enjoy this strange and wonderful window of limited opportunity called life. As adults we want to be able to take risks in the pursuit of having some different experience. Sure we can do this without drugs but as adults we should be able to enjoy the many great experiences that can be had using some drugs.

Vendors here take a lot of grief. All risk a lot and some take massive risks because anyone sending drugs to the USA - or even cannabis seeds, could end up in some show trial. Most European nations would hand over their own citizens to the USA and my fear for vendors is the harsh USA law and the horrendous prisons they have over there. Rape is kinda 'normal' in USA penal institutions.

So I respect vendors for taking the risk few others will take. Yes it pays well. for some its a living. for most its just extending the real life business to online. I think there is a new breed of dealer that deals exclusively online and SR has been amazing in creating the environment which can give the little guy and girl a chance to become a vendor here.

I see many more vendors selling legit produce here also. I plan to sell legit items and also have a few legit items I will buy here. Clothing, sunglasses, drug test kits (invaluable) and books, art and so on. I see computer parts and wonder if I can sell some myself here. I am also adept at creating bootable USB sticks and have ordered a lot so I can create a customized Linux plug and go solution for vendors and sellers who worry about using the home pc or work pc for these transactions. I know some sell similar items. I am not copying but just looking to use SR in a way that is honest!

Looking long term (sorry if this has gone off topic a little at times) I think SR can expand into accommodating millions of small traders who could easily make something as many here have spare bitcoins and if you saw some kind of bargain - perhaps an online joke shop - or clothes, legit second hand CDs/Games ect.

I was thinking of selling some sky accounts also. Customers of sky have 3 accounts to be run on laptops or consoles. Who would not pay a bitcoin for a year access to the sports channels 1,2,3? OK not total legit but hey - Sky give the accounts out for 3 people. Charging a bitcoin you cancel the Sky package and hook the laptop up to the big TV. the the wife over-rules the big match.

There are LOTS of things people can sell here. How many have talents? Drawing? Painting? Any hobby you have that can be made into something and sold?

SR has the chance to expand into many little separate entities selling anything you can think of. The beauty of bitcoin is that we declare to the taxman what we earned IF we even declare the online business!

SR sells MANY legal items.

I would LOVE to be part of any expansion SR may have but obviously this is a tight crew and I know that the answer is for me to set up an onion website ready made with the bitcoin service included and open it up for selling stuff we may sell on ebay but without the bullshit bidding. I think a fair percentage of bitcoin trade right now is related to drugs that may be illegal in some nations. We have a LOT of drugs which are legal actually if you research it! But I am sure many people have 'spare' BTC and would spend this on a myriad of items. Shoplifters often sell at silly prices due to the fact they steal to sell to buy drugs. whilst not condoning shoplifting I can see how it would be better to sell for BTC. Who would not pay half price for things like washing powder, nappies - or shampoo, perfume and all the stuff that passes through the local pub. Many time I see things like real razor blades, third of the price for fast sales. How many have thought it wise to buy ten of the ten packs of expensive mach 3 and mach 4?

Anyhow, you can see how SR makes you think how the onion service can make a few of us earn a legit living. Its easy to buy some onion web space. Easy to run the actual control for this website because it has to be that way. No hand coding - just press and publish - or press 'transfer funds'. :)

So lets help SR out by running more onion websites!

And be nice to vendors! Even if you think you been ripped off - don't fo in kicking the door down. Knock nicely. Ask if you can have a quiet word. Put the kettle on. Tea? Coffee? Chill. now talk and resolve IF there is anything the vendor can resolve.

Remember there are many scammers who would lie to their own mother to grab a line of coke or needle of H. More sellers are rats than vendors!

The best thing is that escrow and feedback here does help a lot.

But all said and done - lets just be lucky that if we got burnt here then we walked away from it with no blood spilt and we learn a valuable lesson in life without the ass kicking that usually comes after we get burnt.

PS if you like what I write then donate some bitcoins to my fund to help save the polar icecaps from melting. With your help I can watch reruns of documentaries showing polar bears on bits of ice that melted. I can smoke more Afghan gold seal hash and 'feel bad' about this ice melting thing. I will also leave the refrigerator door open for half an hour each day to stop the icecaps melting and if I get enough bitcoins then I will hire a boat and save the poor polar bear by shooting it with an AK47 which you help me purchase in my 'give peace a chance bitcoin fund'.

So far I have recieved 0.000003 BTC from a user who advised me to actually have intercourse with myself, my mother and my sister.

I was disgusted at this. So I have set up a 'buy 100 grams of Afghan Gold Seal Fund' to help the redalloverguy to recover from the hurt this PM bought me.

My counselor actually cried. not because of me. she has issues herself. She told me that my recurring dream of having sex with the 'suicide girls' (cult website of very pretty goth like ladies - more just sexy than dirt) was wrong. I told her it was just natural for any red blooded male to want to be able to do that but had to make do with suggesting to my women that she dyes her hair black, gets a tattoo and acts moody. Oh, and suspenders definitely. And some boots with heels. And... well, I am going on too much here but guys, I like to celebrate my anniversary in style and am full of ideas.

 I got a collection of drugs stashed away from my residence apart from weed and hash (no temptation then!) but truth be told I'd throw them away if it was her or the drugs. I am a lucky guy as she understand my hobby. Some guys hide that shit. If I can get some good coke for the might in question I am going to be like a natural advert for Viagra but won't actually need it. Love is a drug. I wonder if SR could have a dating forum - lol - but it would be be lots of escort ladies offering love for bitcoins. Love you long time. Well until you come. And those girls know all the tricks to push for the early ending.

So vendors - the good ones here, I love you guys. (and gals)

The ones who try but make mistakes, I love you too.

The ones who robbed me, I bear no ill will. Better to be robbed and know someones real reputation.

To the guy or crew who run SR I love you also! Pioneers! sure you earn but that risk? Even for that money. Its a hard choice to make.

Thanks to anyone who read this all the way through. I love you also and wish you a year in which luck, love and happiness all combine. It can happen anytime! So keep on keeping on.