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Title: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: AbuNazir on July 19, 2013, 04:15 am
Ok I have had enough of this guy so I came here to tell you buyer beware with this guy's lottery listings. I won one of his lotteries a couple of weeks ago and he continually gives me excuses about why he hasn't shipped the 1/8th oz I won. I went along for a while and then he had the nerve to try to send me some mass looking message with encouragement to FE the order even though he hasn't sent me anything. I told him absolutely not. He marked my package in transit over 10 days ago, after leaving it processing for 5 days before that.  So 15 days and nothing out of this guy. At this point I get upset because he keeps messaging me claiming I have not finalized losing lottery attempts which is complete BS. I paid all losing attempts immediately and my only outstanding order is the one win I have. It's just one excuse after another with this guy. So I said screw it, I'm only out $20 or so so I will just leave him 1/5 feedback on the transactions because the lottery is not legit. I'm not going to ruin my stats over this BS by getting a refund or auto-finalize. And of course he comes back with the "you're blackmailing me" line of bullshit that scammers try to give out. I fail to see how it's blackmail if I give a 1/5 for not receiving a product that I have been told was mailed on at least two different occasions. I had 10 other orders come through in the last month without issue. I doubt his little 1/8th got caught up in the mail. Anyway, here are the messages. If I am in the wrong feel free to say, but I've had it with scammers trying to bully 5/5 ratings out of buyers who they are ripping off. Frankly this guy comes across like he thinks I am some stupid asshole that is new to this site. The account may be new, but that doesn't mean anything beyond I change my name up now and then so as not to leave a consistent trail. Anyway, rip me off and blacklist me I guess. And then sit there wondering why your sales suck. I have to wonder where a guy with a bad track record of money and product issues gets off blacklisting anyone. He is making alll of the vendors look bad with those threats. He got the feedback he deserves.

PS - Notice how he can not process my order now that I changed my feedback. This is an order he has told me he shipped twice already. So if he shipped it, why would my feedback have any bearing? He is just pissed I won't allow him to fuck me over while thanking him for doing it. What kind of idiot demands 5/5 for not shipping what they owe you?



Also, please change the feedback for the lotteries you did not win to 5/5.

Again, I am not reporting you for 48 hours, but this is absolutely unacceptable buyer practices.

THIS IS FEEDBACK EXTORTION.
Just because you did not receive your product (which still has ample time for delivery) dpoes not mean you can go back and change your feedback for all the lotteries.

Not only has my rating dropped, but you have not contacted me about this, I had no idea your order had not arrived, and you change feedback for every single lottery?

Please thing very hard about the repercussions of feedback extortion. If you don't know, look in your buyer profile in your account.

I will not continue with your order or provide any resolution until feedback is changed.

If it is not changed within 48 hours, I am blacklisting you, your username, and your delivery address on the Vendor Blacklist, on my profile, and reporting you for feedback extortion.

Your choice, I can easily make the feedback up and since you left me 1/5 on 15 listings, and that rating is staying for a few months, I honestly am under no obligation to ship anything to you now.

So it's your call, you can have your information publicly blacklisted for all vendors to see, or you can follow the rules and contact me.

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Walmart(99)    I also clearly state in the lotteries that it can take up to 24 days for delivery.

Failure to read the lottery is not grounds for feedback extortion. Please respond within 48 hours.    21 minutes    read
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Walmart(99)    Can you please change your feedback so I can continue with your orders?
My profile clearly states if you have an issue, please contact me first. Leaving 1/5 feedback without doing so is a justified and quick way to get your username submitted to the Vendor Blacklist.

Please change your feedback and contact me about any issues you have with your order.

I do not do business with those that use feedback as extortion. If you continue to do so, I will report your profile. This is a violation of SR terms.    22 minutes    read
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AbuNazir    No problem man. Looking forward to trying out your product!    4 days    read
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Walmart(99)    Sorry sorry - you don't have to FE.
I must have misread the TX and your name, I have several dozen lotto listings un-finalized.

I do apologize if you have already finalized, but if you have then you order is on it's way.    4 days    read
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AbuNazir    All my losing lottery entries were paid immediately. My only outstanding order is a winning order marked in transit. I will finalize it immediately when I receive it. I don't FE, ever, as stated in the buyer's guide. I always finalize as soon as I get my packages from the mail.    4 days    read
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Walmart(99)    It seems there is a lottery order (or multiple) that have not won but have yet to be finalized.
Please finalize your lottery orders.

In the event you receive this message and have a winning order, the same applied. If I have marked a winning order as "In Transit" please finalize as your order has been sent out.
For those with winning order that have not been marked in transit, this means i have not yet shipped your order.

Thank you for shopping with WalMart and as always, I appreciate you're business and feedback.    4 days    read
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Walmart(99)    I understand, and i will make sure to let you know when it ships if it's before Friday.    9 days    read
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AbuNazir    Yeah I understand the bitcoin situation so you do have my sympathy there. I think it messed a lot of people up. Friday is fine, I just wanted to make sure I am not sitting here for weeks with an order processing. I always try to be a good buyer and finalize quickly so I kind of expect the same out of vendors. I'm sure you understand where I am coming from as well so it's all good if you intend to send it out this week.    9 days    read
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Walmart(99)    As soon as I can afford it. This was out of my control, as the BTC price fell and even the SR hedging system could not cover it. I ended up getting paid less for orders than what they cost me.
Sorry about the delay but the shipping time is still well within the range stated. I wait for multiple lottery wins, otherwise I'd have to buy each 8th and quarter by itself, which is not cost effective. I do hope to have it out by my next shipping date (Friday).    9 days    read
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AbuNazir    When is soon? I paid all my losing transactions immediately and when I win one the payout should be timely. I'm not being a jerk but your money issues aren't my problem. I paid on time every time I played your lotto.    9 days    read
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Walmart(99)    No issue, just very, very low on money at the time. I've been having to use the BTC/USD from orders that finalize for new orders. Not ideal. But - I promise I'll have your order out as soon as I can.    9 days    read
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AbuNazir    Hey just wondering when my order for the winning lotto transaction will process and ship? Your profile says you ship on Mondays but nothing changed yesterday so I figured I should get in touch and see if there is an issue. Thanks,

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Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: AbuNazir on July 19, 2013, 04:23 am
By the way, if you read in the last message he just threatened to expose my delivery address to the vendors roundtable which I am positive is grounds for losing his vendor account. I would appreciate an admin taking action on that. Not only did he cheat me, but he is now threatening me for giving honest feedback. How many times am I obligated to message this asshole before it becomes crystal clear that he is not shipping me anything and he is just buying time? This is the ONLY order I have ever had issue with on here.

Also, be warned that he is running FE listings of products because he is broke and needs the money to even buy the products he is offering for sale on here. He is just a middleman, and not a good one.




And I quote "If it is not changed within 48 hours, I am blacklisting you, your username, and your delivery address on the Vendor Blacklist, on my profile, and reporting you for feedback extortion."

I haven't gotten anything from you, and any seller with a brain uses tracking. I had no reason to assume you didn't until you just admitted you don't. You haven't "done business" with me either. You took my money and then tried to blow me off on 3 separate occasions when I asked why you wouldn't ship it. You are BLATANTLY trying to use the excuse of not sending me what I won because I gave you 1/5 feedback when it didn't show up. So which is it? You sent it or you didn't. Because you are clearly trying to work both sides of the fence here.

So like I said, report me. And then they can go ask all the legit vendors I have done business with whether or not I paid them on time or if there was a single issue. They won't find one, but several people have complained about your antics. I'm done with this argument. You got your 20-25 bucks of scam money. Now you can eat all the 1/5 feedback. If I ever receive what you owe me I will certainly change it, but at this point I have zero trust in you after threatening to burn my drop address. In fact, i have no choice but to consider it burned. Thanks for that.    7 seconds    unread
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Walmart(99)    Also the listing was removed a week ago.    3 minutes    unread
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Walmart(99)    Never threatened to drop your address to the roundtable, I said I won't ship anything to that address, your name, or your username and this will be for any item or buyer that uses it. I am free to blacklist any buyer, again, all within SR rules.
I have submitted your username and a link to your profile on the vendor blacklist in the roundtable, which is well within the rules.
Again, this is explained in detail on my profile and TOS.
Both my TOS as well as SR are both valid. If you decide the break either I will not do business with you. SR admins cannot make me do business with a buyer. I do have to abide by their rules, but no rules states I have to do business with you. That is up to me and me alone.

Again, I don't give out tracking. If you want to get something shipped, or a refund of $50 per 8th, I'd be more than happy do do so after you change your non-winning feedback.

If you a have not just received it and want more because you know I didn't use tracking for small orders, then by all means either give me a reship address or a BTC address and I'll correct your order after you change the feedback.

If not, again, SR admins don't really deal with these matters, that's why there are third party buyer reports.
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: AbuNazir on July 19, 2013, 04:56 am
Added his further messages. Apparently his rationale is "I didn't send you what you won even though I said I did. But now since you gave accurate feedback, I'm not going to ship you anything or refund you unless you change your feedback to a dishonest review of what happened." And I am the blackmailer??????
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: JacobBang on July 19, 2013, 06:43 am
Thanks for posting this.  Walmart has a shit load of weed listings but no pictures.  I hope people see this as a warning...
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: BlackIris on July 19, 2013, 11:48 am
I understand your frustration but on one thing I agree with the vendor is: you cannot put 1/5 on ALL the orders, also those that got well, it makes no sense.
Yes, they are lotteries but they are still to be treated like "orders" in the sense that those have already passed are passed. You lost, you paid, all did go well, so it was 5/5.
Now you won, the vendor doesn't give you what you have earned in this transaction but what those PAST orders have to do with this? This is, in fact, feedback extortion and I agree with the vendor on this point.

It would not be if you just gave 1/5 to this ONE lottery you got no product from, but if you changed all past feedback to 1/5 also if they had no problem, then THIS IS feedback extortion in principle. It would be like a buyer that has had many orders from a vendors all going well and then suddenly changing all to 1/5 because the last one didn't come to force the vendor to come clean on this last order. It would be absolutely unacceptable no matter what.

If the vendor doesn't give you what you deserve report him and go into resolution, and either give 1/5 in THIS transaction, but you cannot turn all OLD TRANSACTIONS (that did go correctly) into bad ones because this one didn't go fine, this doesn't make any sense and it is, in fact, a way to threaten the vendor with feedback. It doesn't matter if you are in the right, it is the principle that is not unacceptable.
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: AbuNazir on July 19, 2013, 03:11 pm
Well I considered exactly what you said, but I came to this conclusion. If he is not willing to pay off the lottery when someone wins and leads them on with a bunch of excuses, then none of the lottery entries I paid were legit. Why should he get 5/5 feedback on losing transactions when he had given me the run around for weeks on my winning transaction? Sorry but he is banking on the fact that I will only give a 1/5 on the one transaction that I won and that would not impact his seller rating one bit. Giving him a 1/5 on all of them for cheating me is just not something he considered would happen, but I feel it's fair. I offered to change them all back if this package somehow shows up, but he has already admitted he never sent it. Zero tolerance for scammers.

As for his weed listings, he doesn't have anything. Read his profile and look fir his listing titled "messages." He wants people to FE and then he will go buy the weed and ship it to you. Fuck this middleman wannabe. Just buy straight from the vendors that grow on here and get rid of leeches like this.

Anyway, I gave this guy ample opportunity to make this right and he continues to blame ME and make excuses when I have not received shit from him. At this point I am done. That feedback stays and if people don't want to sell to me for standing up against a scammer so be it.
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: WalMart on July 19, 2013, 04:52 pm
Check my profile. Lottery winners are listed by name so you can message them. This is encouraged.

As for your message to the admins, this was their response on the matter to me:


Vendor Support    You are not obliged to provide buyers with tracking information. If there as in issue with their order not arriving they need to click the 'resolve' button and take the order to resolution; you may be asked in the Resolution Center to provide the tracking information for an administrator to check if it is available. If it's not available and both parties cannot come to an agreement, a decision will be made by the administrator after taking all the facts into account.

Regarding any feedback that may be left, it will not be edited unless it presents a threat to the security of you or your packaging.

~Vendor Support    11 hours    read
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Lotteries take up to 24 days to deliver, and I ask that buyers PM me prior to leaving 1/5 feedback.

This is covered in my Terms Of Service, which do apply to you. Both SR and Buyers can have TOS. I have also confirmed this with Vendor Support.

The very first thing every single one of my listings say is "By placing an order you are agreeing to these Terms and Conditions: http://j55tzzjinfjtkyy7.onion". It is also posted throughout my vendor profile 12 times.

I apologize about the FE request, that was for buyers that had not won but also had not finalized. In your list of messages I respond quickly saying it was a mistake and do not finalize.

Your order is still in my orders table so you can take this transaction to resolution. Or, I can just refund you right now. Or reship it to you, even though it still may arrive.

If you had simply messaged me and told me nothing had arrived, I would happily resend it or refund you. But you didn't, you just changed your feedback on every lottery after 4 days of no contact.
I had assumed it was send and arrived, you let me no messages saying it had or had not arrived. The ONLY way I even knew to check is to look through me feedback when it dropped from 100 to 99.
So yes, I sent it. It did not arrive. I am refusing to send another or refund until you change feedback on the orders where you did not win.

Then, after changing feedback, you still fail to PM me about any issue or your current order.

Every lottery you purchased you changed to 1/5 because you think I am scamming you, so you see it as justified. But, sometimes orders simply get lost. It happens. No need to change all your feedback when the order is still under SR resolution.

The short answer is what I told every cannabis lottery winner - I can give you a BTC reward instead ($50 per 8th) or you can wait for the cannabis. You elected to choose the cannabis, and the wait that goes along with it.     

Again, I have offered to refund your orders, give you $50 per 8th, and even reship your order but you have refused. So you are not really working with me.


I did ship you an item via 1st class. You failed to let me know it had not arrived, and changed feedback to 1/5 and still did not contact me.
I will work with you, but you have to agree to something. Again, refund, BTC, or reship - all I ask is that the non-winning lotteries feedback is changed.


I'm not sure how many more ways I can offer to help resolve this, and not only that but your order is still in SR Admins hands. You have not brought it to resolution at this time, so there really is no way of knowing it did not arrive.
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: AbuNazir on July 19, 2013, 06:02 pm
Good lord dude, look how many times I have messaged you asking where the order is and how many times you gave me a shifty answer. Guess what, still hasn't arrived. I'm not obligated to keep messaging you for weeks to get what you owe me. At some point I am going to have to chalk it up to you scammed me and move on. You threatened to reveal my drop address so now it's burned. You made no offers to do anything to remedy this until after I chose to change my feedback because all I got before was bullshit responses about how you are broke. I change the feedback and all of a sudden you are the best communicator on this site. Worry less about your seller rating and more about actually following through on sales is my suggestion. I got a package from Germany a week ago that I ordered after you supposedly sent this. First class mail taking 24 days exceeds the 17 days allotted before auto-finalization and I am not going to let you string me along for a month. Give it a rest with the "TOS" crap as well. You scammed me and you got exposed. I am not changing shit until you remedy the situation. You only have yourself to blame after repeatedly lying to me. Like I also said, I am not interested in you fucking up my refund or auto-finalize stats with this nonsense so if it doesn't arrive by the last day you get another 1/5 feedback. I'm not going to resolution over 50 bucks you owe me from your scam lottery. Resolution is an option, not a requirement.
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: BlackIris on July 19, 2013, 06:49 pm
Listen, I don't really understand your reasoning.

The vendor above is willing to refund your order immediately by sending you 1 BTC, do you understand it? He said it expressly above.
What the hell do you want? He is proposing a reship or a refund and you say: "oh, I don't care, if the package doesn't arrive I will give you another 1/5". What the hell of a behavior is this?
Accept the refund (it will not change your stats if the vendor gives a refund by his initiative) and move on, ffs.

I cannot really understand what the hell do you want more from the vendor at this point. You continue insisting that he scammed you but he just said he was going to give you a refund and you replied: "I don't fucking care, I will leave the feedback as it is because the package didn't arrive so you have to pay no matter what". Where's the scam if he is willing to refund you? What he has to pay for if he didn't do nothing wrong at this point (since, again, he is willingly to refund you, so to pay you back)?

I don't know what to think at this point. You are just starting from the presuppose that he wanted to scam you, but you *cannot* be sure of this. Maybe the package didn't really arrive for some problem, it can happen. Does the vendor has to be crucified because the package didn't arrive? What can he do more than offer you a refund or a reship? I really don't get it. Even if he really wanted to scam you (and you will never know) he is now willing to make things right and you instead want not.

Oh well, be happy with your 1 BTC less and the -1 to his feedback. If this makes you happy...
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: AbuNazir on July 20, 2013, 07:09 pm
Let me clarify it again then. Every time i asked him where it was he gave me some blowoff answer about how he was broke and couldn't send it. When I finally got fed up with that I changed my feedback because his NEVER offered to work with me without meeting his conditions, and only his conditions. I have told him REPEATEDLY I will change the feedback and give him 5/5 AFTER he pays up. He WILL NOT do that. He wants me to change everything and wait on him some more. What really pisses me off is he has admitted more than once that he has not sent my order, then he comes here claiming that he not only sent it, but that I never told him I didn't get it. Why would I keep writing him telling him I didn't get something we both know he hasn't even shipped yet?

Also, he threatened to burn my srop address by exposing it to the vendor's round table. As far as I am concerned that went over the line and I am not inclined to work with him after that. Now I have to get a new drop address for two reasons due to this asshole. For one, he threatened to expose my first one. Secondly, he now claims he sent a package there and it never arrived. You understand I can't send packages there anymore after those two thing right? If you don't, then your advice is worthless.

If he wants to send me the 50 bucks worth of bitcoin then he should do it. I've told him somewhere around 10 times nnow as soon as it's resolved that he gets all 5's and I will never order anything from him again. But no, he insists on keeping up the lying and BS. There was NEVER anything on the lottery about 24 days (he deleted the lottery now) and there was not a cash payout option. This is the first I have heard of a cash paytout option. He is more concerned with his seller rating than actually doing what he says he will.

So, the minute that bitcoin hits my account, which he hasn't asked me for a wallet to send it to or a new shipping address, I will rectify this. It should be clear at this point that he is only making offers that force me to say he is a very reputable dealer BEFORE he will fix this and that is fucking bullshit.

Also, he told me he already added me to the blacklist when I have never had an order problems here. I only spent about a grand this month but I get blacklisted by some fuckwad over 20 bucks I spent playing his scam lottery? Again, not inclined to work with a guy like this. Maybe if he fesses up that he has been lying to me and never sent it I will take the BTC, but how am I supposed to trust him with a new address? That shit costs me money to set up.
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: Flyhigh on July 21, 2013, 12:13 am
i hate Lotteries, biggest scamm going..I cant for the life of me, figure out why people donate...but whatever..

On his page he list the winners.

LOTTERY WINNERS
Our First Winner! - Steelo on the 8th Ounce Lottery on 06/30/2013 with ending TX numbers XXXXX48de9
Second Winner! TangoAlpha on the 8th Ounce Lotto on 06/30/2013 with ending TX numbers XXXXX59b59
Third Winner! penguinpwner24 on the 8th Ounce Lotto on 07/01/2013 with ending TX numbers XXXXXe6fa9


Not one are forum members, unless they use another name on SR then here..I suppose., but you will never know and none have posted they won or  they got it...

 AbuNazir this guy stinks .....stay away.. to much drama

Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: Steelo on July 21, 2013, 10:50 pm
I also won the 1/8th of an oz lotto winning. I finalized early thought, pretty stupid thing to do now I look back at it. He told me he mailed it on two separate occasions before he admitted he didn't have the product to send, because he was waiting to buy an oz to do all the lottery winnings at the same time.  He then told me for a third time he had shipped it and I've been waiting 11 days now and still nothing. In all fairness he has agreed to give me 0.5BTC instead as it is clear it's not going to arrive, and I am in the UK. He has only given me 0.22 at the moment, and I'm still waiting for the rest. I've been in contact with another winner of the listing and he too has nothing so I'd say it's highly likely that the orders were never sent seen as all 3 of us have had nothing. Walmart, in all fairness, you should have been honest about when you shipped things and you shouldn't have had the listings up if you didn't have the prize to pay out. I've left 5/5 sparkling feedback on all 4 times I tried, which I now regret since it's been 20 days since I originally purchased. I expect the rest of the BTC soon, or I'll have to report to SR.
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: Jason Bourne on July 22, 2013, 11:26 am
Not one are forum members, unless they use another name on SR then here..I suppose., but you will never know and none have posted they won or  they got it...

 AbuNazir this guy stinks .....stay away.. to much drama

Say hi to Steelo here, who never got his shit, but got comparable BS excuses. And Tangoalpha exists, too. You can search forum members you know?
AbuNazir stinks, because of too much drama? Now that's sensible.



Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: Leech on July 22, 2013, 04:20 pm
Hey, why not just use registered shipping to solve this issue?
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: Steelo on July 22, 2013, 04:45 pm
Hey, why not just use registered shipping to solve this issue?
He told me he'd sent it registered yet when I asked for the tracking info he wouldn't give it me.
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: WalMart on July 22, 2013, 07:07 pm
i hate Lotteries, biggest scamm going..I cant for the life of me, figure out why people donate...but whatever..

On his page he list the winners.

LOTTERY WINNERS
Our First Winner! - Steelo on the 8th Ounce Lottery on 06/30/2013 with ending TX numbers XXXXX48de9
Second Winner! TangoAlpha on the 8th Ounce Lotto on 06/30/2013 with ending TX numbers XXXXX59b59
Third Winner! penguinpwner24 on the 8th Ounce Lotto on 07/01/2013 with ending TX numbers XXXXXe6fa9


Not one are forum members, unless they use another name on SR then here..I suppose., but you will never know and none have posted they won or  they got it...

They may not have forum accounts, but these are their SR usernames. Type it into the search box at the top and search for the name. Click on it to send them a message.


Hey, why not just use registered shipping to solve this issue?
He told me he'd sent it registered yet when I asked for the tracking info he wouldn't give it me.

I used 1st class shipping, which can be registered, insured, and even DCN. However, I did not use any of these services since these require me to actually go inside the local post office.
Orders of 1 ounce or larger I ship via USPS Priority Flat rate and do include some form of tracking.

Steelo, your BTC refund should have went through by this time. If it has not, please message me.

I changed my feedback because his NEVER offered to work with me without meeting his conditions, and only his conditions.

Yes, I do require all buyers agree to my terms and conditions for vending before they make a purchase. If you do not want to follow (any) vendors rules, don't buy from them.

There was NEVER anything on the lottery about 24 days (he deleted the lottery now) and there was not a cash payout option. This is the first I have heard of a cash paytout option. He is more concerned with his seller rating than actually doing what he says he will.

Lotteries were not removed, just stealthed due to feedback extortion.

Insta-Win ฿1.0 Lottery - 1:4096 Odds - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/d9ea52256c
Insta-Win ฿0.5 Lottery - 1:256 Odds - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/3a9a111748
Insta-Win ฿0.2 Lottery - 1:16 Odds - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/b3d4784c44

Insta-Win Half Ounce Medical Cannabis Lottery - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/cb884ddb97
Insta-Win Eighth Ounce Medical Cannabis Lottery - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/a273e3d4c9
Insta-Win Quarter Ounce Medical Cannabis Lottery - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/5288f3982a

Yes, I offered BTC payouts (not cash) since some buyers did not like the delay (which again, is covered in my profile and terms). It was not something I offered to all buyers on the listing, just the ones that had won and were waiting for a long time for their order.

I am concerned with my seller rating to the point I offer $50 per 8th on the lotteries when I pat $18 for an 8th. I don't know what exactly you see wrong with this.

Why would I keep writing him telling him I didn't get something we both know he hasn't even shipped yet?

It shipped Thursday July 11th 2013. Please stop asking me to say I did not ship it.

Also, he threatened to burn my srop address by exposing it to the vendor's round table. As far as I am concerned that went over the line and I am not inclined to work with him after that. Now I have to get a new drop address for two reasons due to this asshole. For one, he threatened to expose my first one. Secondly, he now claims he sent a package there and it never arrived. You understand I can't send packages there anymore after those two thing right? If you don't, then your advice is worthless.

I record your username and zip code for reference with tracking (on applicable orders) and to prevent buyers like you that I have blacklisted from buying again.
As I said many times, I have not recorded your real name, your address, any drop addresses, or anything other than your zip code and SR username.

Here are the Blacklist submissions if you are really concerned that I dropped your real address.

Blacklist (Worldwide) - http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=177410.0
Blacklist (USA) - http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=15958.0
Buyer review - http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=188786.0



If he wants to send me the 50 bucks worth of bitcoin then he should do it.

Absolutely! Just change your past feedback for previous lotteries you did not win to 5/5 as requested in the listing.
Don't worry about this one, 1/5 feedback is adequate for the winning listing because of what has had to be done to (attempt to) resolve it.
If you are concerned with giving out your BTC address, I can just transfer it directly to your name on SR.     

So, the minute that bitcoin hits my account, which he hasn't asked me for a wallet to send it to or a new shipping address, I will rectify this. It should be clear at this point that he is only making offers that force me to say he is a very reputable dealer BEFORE he will fix this and that is fucking bullshit.

No, again, I can transfer directly to your name on Silk Road, a BTC address is not needed.

You have told me many times you do not want me to reship, and that you will never give me another address to ship to, which is why I have not asked you for your address.
If you do want a reship, just send your address and change past feedback.


Also, he told me he already added me to the blacklist when I have never had an order problems here. I only spent about a grand this month but I get blacklisted by some fuckwad over 20 bucks I spent playing his scam lottery? Again, not inclined to work with a guy like this. Maybe if he fesses up that he has been lying to me and never sent it I will take the BTC, but how am I supposed to trust him with a new address? That shit costs me money to set up.

You were blacklisted because you changed your feedback for past orders to reflect your current one not arriving instead of sending me a PM on SR, the Forums, my Website, or my tormail.
This is known as Feedback Extortion/Manipulation and is why your are submitted to the blacklist.

I cannot just submit a name, it has to be a valid reason behind it. I did provide details about this transaction and you as a buyer, but I did not submit any personal or revealing information about you, your address, or location.

And lastly, please stop asking me to just say I did not send it. I'm not sure why you want that, if it's to prove I didn't to SR admins in resolution I'm already going to give you a 100% refund, probably more if you can work with me.
I'm not going to openly lie just because your package didn't arrive. For all I know, you're lying about it not arriving since you knew I did not use tracking. However I'm not going to sit here and insist that you admit you are lying.

Hey, why not just use registered shipping to solve this issue?


Requires me to go to the post office with illegally packaged items.

Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: tangoalpha on July 22, 2013, 09:34 pm
I won the 8th lottery like these dudes on 6/30.

I was told it was shipped out on the 11th. Now hes offering me only .3BTC for refund, after I messaged him asking for an update on the shipping.

I  just want a $50.00 refund sent to my account and be over with this issue.
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: WalMart on July 22, 2013, 11:32 pm
Walmart - Care to explain why a vendor with over a dozen strains listed, in quantities up to a half pound, would have to go "buy an ounce" in order to eventually give the lottery winners their prizes?

I only sell a maximum of 2 ounces, the larger listings are much more detailed since they are strain specific, but the first thing on the listings is that they are not for sale and links to the listings that are for sale.
I put a lot of work and research into the strain listings, so I just kept them up for advertising purposes since I will be selling (eventually) up to 8 ounces.
That is all the strains my grower has. On my profile I state that only 50% to 70% of them are available at any given time, and I ask that buyers leave me "fallback" strains in the event he is out of a prefered strain.

I don't keep ounces and pounds on hand, neither for personal use or sale. I go buy the orders as they come, and I will have to keep doing this until I get enough profit to start stocking larger amounts.

With the lotteries, I base the cost of the lottery ticket off the price I buy my 8ths in bulk - $18 per 8th. there is no profit made on the lotteries, it was for cannabis reviews and feedback. When I have to buy an individual 8th it's not that cheap, and it ends up losing money.

Aside from that - convenience. I'd rather pack up 8 8th's from a single ounce than go buy each 8th as the lottery winners win and pack them up as they come. I do try to log on every day at least once, but I don't have the time to go get every order as it comes - I buy in bulk and sell cheap. All of this is covered in my profile, and anything relevant is included in the listings.

I won the 8th lottery like these dudes on 6/30.

I was told it was shipped out on the 11th. Now hes offering me only .3BTC for refund, after I messaged him asking for an update on the shipping.

I  just want a $50.00 refund sent to my account and be over with this issue.

Many buyers seem to be confused. I sent a mass message stating if your order is not marked in transit I was offering a 0.2BTC refund if you wanted.

The lottery is based on 8th costing me $18. 16 $1.20 tickets is just over $18. The other lottery I had that cost the same price per ticket with the same odds was the 0.2BTC lottery.
There are other lotteries with the same odds and winning (3.5 grams) that are based on $50 8ths that cost around $3.40.

If your order has been marked in transit, then just ignore the message. If it has not been marked in transit, then it has not yet been sent and the message is valid.
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: Jason Bourne on July 23, 2013, 12:30 pm
And Tangoalpha chimed in as well. Sweet.

Walmart I read your posts. Yawn. Good thing I'll never have to read your t&c's.
- why do you want to refund someone whom you know is lying?
- what is that about those 24d? Did you indeed add that term in the course of action?

Is there anybody who received his lottery winning at all?

Peace out
Jason.
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: Flyhigh on July 23, 2013, 01:08 pm
And Tangoalpha chimed in as well. Sweet.

Walmart I read your posts. Yawn. Good thing I'll never have to read your t&c's.
- why do you want to refund someone whom you know is lying?
- what is that about those 24d? Did you indeed add that term in the course of action?

Is there anybody who received his lottery winning at all?

Peace out
Jason.

There is just too much drama, and the fact he has to write pages to justify himself is a red flag to me..lets face it, if a vendor was like this we would drop him...



 
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: zookaa on July 23, 2013, 02:16 pm
Seriously, I just stumbled upon this thread. I've never had contact with WalMart nor did I ever do business with him.

But by just reading this thread and his BS replies I'd stay faaaar away from WalMart. Seriously dude, it's quite obvious what you are doing here...
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: Jason Bourne on July 23, 2013, 08:39 pm
And Tangoalpha chimed in as well. Sweet.

Walmart I read your posts. Yawn. Good thing I'll never have to read your t&c's.
- why do you want to refund someone whom you know is lying?
- what is that about those 24d? Did you indeed add that term in the course of action?

Is there anybody who received his lottery winning at all?

Peace out
Jason.

There is just too much drama, and the fact he has to write pages to justify himself is a red flag to me..lets face it, if a vendor was like this we would drop him...

It's not drama, it's PR.
If one wished to drop him, as you say, he would have to draw fast so he could not be talked to death.

Seriously, I just stumbled upon this thread. I've never had contact with WalMart nor did I ever do business with him.

But by just reading this thread and his BS replies I'd stay faaaar away from WalMart. Seriously dude, it's quite obvious what you are doing here...

And this.
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: cactuschomper on July 23, 2013, 09:46 pm
sounds like a selective scammer using lotteries to boost his stats.

says loads about him, also look at all the weed listings with no pictures

"walmart quality" LOL
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: WalMart on July 25, 2013, 09:48 pm
Just because I write a detailed response should not put me in the wrong. If you were a vendor getting bad PR I'm sure you would feel obligated to be involved as well.
These lotteries are based off the ending number that SR provides to both me and the buyer, so I can't select which lottery I "want" to win. If you are talking about selective scamming on larger listings, then feedback should make it apparent that is not the case.  Lottery listings have since been removed, none are on my feedback main page. However, several "Arrived" feedback are.

The lottery winners that have been mentioned here, other than the OP, have all received their refunds if they requested them.
I admit it's not the best situation for a vendor, and i did take on too many orders at once, but that does not indicate selective scamming.

AbuNazir did have a winning lottery ticket (2 in fact), and I shipped his order. It did not arrive, he changed feedback to past orders, and refuses to change them, so I refuse to reship it or refund it UNTIL he changes past feedback.

And Tangoalpha chimed in as well. Sweet.

Walmart I read your posts. Yawn. Good thing I'll never have to read your t&c's.
- why do you want to refund someone whom you know is lying?
- what is that about those 24d? Did you indeed add that term in the course of action?

Is there anybody who received his lottery winning at all?

Peace out
Jason.

He may not be lying. His package may not have arrived, in which case I am offering a refund.
I don't have a 24D, sorry.


You mention TangoAlpha, which has received a refund, as well as Steelo.

I realize that Lotteries can easily be used against a vendor and that the forums are not favorable to them, which is why I have removed them. As for the "gains", all lotteries were prices to make around a $0.30 profit and have a public "lottery ticket" in the form of the TX number, of which I have no control over.


sounds like a selective scammer using lotteries to boost his stats.

says loads about him, also look at all the weed listings with no pictures

"walmart quality" LOL

The lotteries were to get my initial feedback statistics high enough for my vendor rating to appear beside it. These were priced with a $0.30 profit for every 16 lotteries.

As for the photos, no, the listings that detail the strain and genetics do not have any pictures, but are also not for sale.

My listings that are for sale have photos, and I have several photos with the strain and my logo in them.
http://i.imgur.com/OaaiY1c.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xUQ18BF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JKp6qJK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2pyAkfh.jpg

http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1iul48/first_set_of_strain_photos_jack_47_vendor_walmart/

This is just 1 strain. Every ounce order I get I;m taking pictures of the bud and uploading them.
I don't plan to update photos for listings that are not intended for purchase.

Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: Jason Bourne on July 26, 2013, 09:59 pm
1) Just because I write a detailed response should not put me in the wrong. If you were a vendor getting bad PR I'm sure you would feel obligated to be involved as well.

1) In a way it does. Especially since you cunningly avoid to respond to any of the issues raised, being:
- no winner ever got shit from your lottery
- every winner got loads of horsecrap

This is confirmed by Steelo and Tangoalpha here, two lucky winners who stumbled into this fine thread. Out of 3 winners, two and OP tell the same story. They never got their 1/8th.
Your not getting bad PR you're getting what you saw.

2)These lotteries are based off the ending number that SR provides to both me and the buyer, so I can't select which lottery I "want" to win. 3)If you are talking about selective scamming on larger listings, then feedback should make it apparent that is not the case.  4) Lottery listings have since been removed, none are on my feedback main page. However, several "Arrived" feedback are.

2) We know you cannot fix the lottery, why do you mention it?
3) No I'm (if you addressing me) talking about 100% of winners not getting their gain, your lottery listing.
4) You mean the "arrived feedback" for the other listings? Why do you mention those? This threads title is: Walmart Lottery Scammer.


5) The lottery winners that have been mentioned here, other than the OP, have all received their refunds if they requested them.
6) I admit it's not the best situation for a vendor, and i did take on too many orders at once, but that does not indicate selective scamming.

5) So it correct to say no one ever got their 1/8th?
6) It is understandable you don't have enough stock to send 3x 1/8th. I mean, that's a lot of dope. It doesn't indicate selective scamming, you're right.
But 3 guys claiming the same thing, being nobody got anything but BS excuses kinda makes you wonder, you know. Sorry for doubting you. You're legit man. Steelo and Tangoalpha must be OP shills I got that now, let me verify: nope doesn't seem so.

AbuNazir did have a winning lottery ticket (2 in fact), and I shipped his order. It did not arrive, he changed feedback to past orders, and refuses to change them, so I refuse to reship it or refund it UNTIL he changes past feedback.
You must understand him, he's somewhat confused and delusive and got to that crazy conclusion you were scamming him. No wait, he's a vendor.


And Tangoalpha chimed in as well. Sweet.

Walmart I read your posts. Yawn. Good thing I'll never have to read your t&c's.
- why do you want to refund someone whom you know is lying?
- what is that about those 24d? Did you indeed add that term in the course of action?

Is there anybody who received his lottery winning at all?

Peace out
Jason.


He may not be lying. His package may not have arrived, in which case I am offering a refund.
I don't have a 24D, sorry.


You mention TangoAlpha, which has received a refund, as well as Steelo.

I realize that Lotteries can easily be used against a vendor and that the forums are not favorable to them, which is why I have removed them. As for the "gains", all lotteries were prices to make around a $0.30 profit and have a public "lottery ticket" in the form of the TX number, of which I have no control over.

I realize lotteries can easily be used by vendors to scam the shit outta people and that the forums are not favorable to those scammers.
As for Steelo and Tangoalpha, I checked their post history, they seem legit.

sounds like a selective scammer using lotteries to boost his stats.

says loads about him, also look at all the weed listings with no pictures

"walmart quality" LOL

The lotteries were to get my initial feedback statistics high enough for my vendor rating to appear beside it. These were priced with a $0.30 profit for every 16 lotteries.

As for the photos, no, the listings that detail the strain and genetics do not have any pictures, but are also not for sale.

My listings that are for sale have photos, and I have several photos with the strain and my logo in them.
http://i.imgur.com/OaaiY1c.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xUQ18BF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JKp6qJK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2pyAkfh.jpg

http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1iul48/first_set_of_strain_photos_jack_47_vendor_walmart/

This is just 1 strain. Every ounce order I get I;m taking pictures of the bud and uploading them.
I don't plan to update photos for listings that are not intended for purchase.


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Peace out
Jason.

Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: Tzaba Via on July 26, 2013, 11:03 pm
Just wondering.
Are people still taking into consideration someone who doesn't have a cash flow big enough to stock products before sending out and must go buy individual 8ths?
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: sportsguybro on July 27, 2013, 12:03 am
Domesticdude has a pretty cool lottery... I'm looking for other lotto's to play as-well.
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: AbuNazir on July 27, 2013, 08:00 am
So guess what happened. We go to resolution and he continues his demands of me changing all my feedback for his lotteries to 5/5 to give me a BTC refund. I finally agree and changes it, and give him 3 days extension on the resolution to get the BTC to me. I log in today, have a message that "Walmart has cancelled your order." How the fuck did he cancel an order in resolution that he marked in transit. I got my 2 dollars for the lottery back. He still owes me at least 50 bucks for the 8th. Not to mention he really owes me for all losing transactions as there was never anything to win. Fuck this guy and fuck this place that let vendors do this shit. I must have made a mistake in clicking accept next to his offer that allowed him to cancel it. Changing all his feedback to 1/5 again and he can go to hell. Scammer.
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: plainsman1963 on July 27, 2013, 03:21 pm
Vendors can cancel orders that have been marked in transit. Just had a vendor offer to do that for me, since order never arrived. I accepted, because refunding from the resolution center would ding my stats. Having the order canceled keeps my refund rate at 0.

Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: AbuNazir on July 27, 2013, 05:35 pm
I see, but that's not helpful when someone owes you for a lottery and they can get out of paying you for what you won. I want more than the price I paid to play the lottery back. I want the prize I won or btc of the same value. He shouldn't be running one if he can't pay up.
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: Flyhigh on July 28, 2013, 12:02 am
everyone go to hid SR page a report him as a scammer.....When they get a flood of reports SR will act..
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: doobiebros on July 28, 2013, 12:12 am
Guys/Girls

If you are/were unable to see that vendor walmart is shady---you should not be ordering on the road.

Best of luck in getting your items/btc back. 
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: WalMart on August 01, 2013, 01:16 am
Sent a resolution message and waited 12 hours to accept the resolution. You demanded that the BTC be transferred within 48 hours. Nothing I had to comply with, since i figured yoiu'd just change it as soon as I transferred them, but i gave you the benefit of the doubt.

However, within 6 hours of accepting your resolution you had the feedback changed back to 1/5.

In all this time, you have not sent me a personal message or attempted to communicate with me outside of the forum. If you are not going to at least attempt to work with me and continue to use feedback extortion, as advised by the SR Support (which have removed your feedback) I am under no obligation to send you what you are demanding outside of resolution.

As for the other lottery winners that are posting here, Steelo and TangoAlpha have both received refunds. Review of the lottery listings show that winning orders have arrived.
If anyone else has not recieved their fund or order, just PM me on SR.

everyone go to hid SR page a report him as a scammer.....When they get a flood of reports SR will act..

SR Support told me that there were safeguards against it, but I'd ask you at least reference what is being said here (by both parties) instead of just taking our word. Feedback for orders received is viewable in my feedback, AbuNazir feedback has been removed which would not have happened under normal circumstances, None of my listings indicate a order not arriving, and the worst I have is a 4/5 for a gram of bud that was too compressed.

AbuNazir, I log onto SR every day, not the forums. I do not use the forums as a means of primary contact, so these demands and requests should all have just been PM'ed to me on SR.
I can't rely on visiting this post (as you ask me to do) every time I need to contact you. Resolution would have went much better if you had not "refused to PM me anymore", even after you took the order to resolution.

If you do think I am a scammer, then avoid me and don't take the risk. All the material required to verify a vendors legitimacy is presented to the public on SR.
Title: Re: Walmart - Lottery Scammer
Post by: Jason Bourne on August 01, 2013, 06:03 pm
consider reading this:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=191847.0

Sent a resolution message and waited 12 hours to accept the resolution. You demanded that the BTC be transferred within 48 hours. Nothing I had to comply with, since i figured yoiu'd just change it as soon as I transferred them, but i gave you the benefit of the doubt.

However, within 6 hours of accepting your resolution you had the feedback changed back to 1/5.
You make it sound like you were a gentleman. You forgot to mention you cancelled his order and agree to a 50% refund only, whereas it is obvious you never even considered sending weed. We're talking about an 1/8th btw. 

In all this time, you have not sent me a personal message or attempted to communicate with me outside of the forum. If you are not going to at least attempt to work with me and continue to use feedback extortion, as advised by the SR Support (which have removed your feedback) I am under no obligation to send you what you are demanding outside of resolution.
You never responded to anything he demanded. You babble constant PR bullshit. You're the one not willing to solve that matter. This is confirmed by Steelo and Tangoalpha. He uses feedback extortion as a mean. Consider yourself lucky your on the road, comfortably seated behind your screen.


As for the other lottery winners that are posting here, Steelo and TangoAlpha have both received refunds. Review of the lottery listings show that winning orders have arrived.
If anyone else has not recieved their fund or order, just PM me on SR.
You fail to mention penguinpwner24, who is part of the list, though has no forum presence (or a different name). You bet he will read this thread and contact you.
You succeed in displaying your grandeur and class over and over again.

everyone go to hid SR page a report him as a scammer.....When they get a flood of reports SR will act..


SR Support told me that there were safeguards against it, but I'd ask you at least reference what is being said here (by both parties) instead of just taking our word. Feedback for orders received is viewable in my feedback, AbuNazir feedback has been removed which would not have happened under normal circumstances, None of my listings indicate a order not arriving, and the worst I have is a 4/5 for a gram of bud that was too compressed.
There is no feedback of anyone receiving his lottery gain. You divert from the topic again. You don't even bother about shipping that. You reimburse 2/3 (or more) though claiming full disclosure and honesty. All of the winners were told though the parcel was shipped.


AbuNazir, I log onto SR every day, not the forums. I do not use the forums as a means of primary contact, so these demands and requests should all have just been PM'ed to me on SR.
I can't rely on visiting this post (as you ask me to do) every time I need to contact you. Resolution would have went much better if you had not "refused to PM me anymore", even after you took the order to resolution.
He did. So did the others. I guess they wanted this to be public, as they both state having gotten only lies and BS from you.


If you do think I am a scammer, then avoid me and don't take the risk. All the material required to verify a vendors legitimacy is presented to the public on SR.
How do you think it looks like to us?

WM, please, you need realize you behave like a lying crackwhore trying to score rock. You're conning 1/8ths of weed man. You don't seem to have no class nor honor. You use every mean and trick in the bush to defame OP (who went to far, one could argue), to divert attention from the subject, and to sidestep the real issues. You talk to admins/mods in PM, probably telling only half of the truth. You're real low.

One thing: WM cancelled the order, OP got his full 2$ back.

Peace out
Jason.