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Title: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: PiggyPie on June 29, 2012, 11:56 am
I would like to start off by saying i am NOT accusing the seller (as such i feel there is no reason to name names) of selling bogus product, i just want to know peoples advice on where i went wrong, and what to try next.

Ok so i recently bought some DMT from a very reputable vendor on here, arrived super quick and really stealthy, best packaging i've seen to date. So i weighed out 50mg (which seems to be the normal dose people take) put it in my vap pipe (its an Eagle Bill Shake and Vape) covered the top hole in the pipe so none of the vapor could escape and then put it over a candle i had burning. The product then turned from a slightly yellow substance to a liquid pretty fast and then began to turn to vapor, i held the pipe over the candle for a further 5-10 seconds to make sure the heat was high enough then removed from the heat and waited briefly for the liquid to give off all it was going to. Following this i removed my cover on the pipe and inhaled deeply, i got pretty much all the vapour in one hit, took it deeply and held for a few seconds, then i took the rest of what was left in the pipe and again held deeply. Not the nicest tasting substance but what hit me far more was the fact that it left a really unpleasant almost burning sensation on my lips, i have never vaporized a chemical before so maybe this is normal ? My lips are fairly chapped which probably contributed. Nothing really happened, my heart rate went up and became far more noticeable but absolutely no hallucinations, i could tell that i had taken something but there were none of the effects i read about being linked to DMT.

After this disappointment i waited 10-15 mins and decided to re-dose weighing out 70mg. I know i should probably have waited a while longer before re-dosing but i was so eager to enter 'hyper space' i couldn't wait so i cleaned out the residue left in the pipe using cotton buds and went again. Technique was the same, this time although it went to liquid just as fast, but it took a lot longer to get the vapor off it, but this was probably because i was being more cautious with the heating process. Anyway i got 2 big hits off this followed by 2 smaller hits (holding in lungs for probably 7 or 8 seconds) but the burning sensation on lips and tongue was far more intense. Maybe slightly more effects, i looked at my friends face (i had asked him to sit for me) and for an instant it looked as though things mite get trippy, but then back to normallity, again i could tell that i had taken something but not pronounced OEV or CEV. I felt only just off baseline and within 30 mins i felt back to normal.

Some back information about me; im about 6ft 1, weigh 16stone 4pounds (call it 104kg) and ive had a reasonable amount of drug use experience over the last 9 years. The only psychedelics i have experienced are AMT (numerous times) and LSD (just the once) and both provided visuals to some extent (especially the LSD). I also tried Peruvian Torch but the dosage was far to low to get any effects other than a slight rise off baseline. All i want to know is what people could suggest for me to experience the really powerful visuals attributed to DMT experiences, im just so jealous of all the erowid trip reports !
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: war on June 29, 2012, 12:05 pm
You truly have to take 3 20 second hits.... try Changa... although you may not enter another realm I think it's the perfect entry into the DMT experience.  I truly believe if your mind/body is not prepared to handle a DMT breakthrough you are never going to breakthrough. 
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: DwarfSeeker on June 29, 2012, 12:14 pm
low dose tolerance effects feel almost like mild sedation, maybe minor CEV, but mostly just 'heavy'.

you really want to vape it by hot air passing over it, its pretty easy to burn, i've found the more burnt it is the worst the taste gets as well.

also if you only held in for a few seconds the first time that's probably the big part of the reason, you need to hold it in for a good 15 seconds. i'd suggest start with trying with a lower dose (say 30mg), until you get your technique a little better off, 50/70mg is actually quite a lot, with really good technique/right device 25mg is enough to put you in your place pretty quick

i'd agree with war, a breakthrough is a pretty bizarre experience, the first time I got close I pushed back and stopped it, but even per-breakthrough DMT is quite indescribable

PS war, with the GVG you can get 50mg in a single pull, hold onto your ass though ;)
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: PiggyPie on June 29, 2012, 12:23 pm
@war
hmmmm well unfortunately the remaining DMT is not mine to try, but i will encourage my friend to hold for 20 seconds, however i have read many people saying that 3 tokes is often unlikely as alot of people tend to be pretty gone after their first big hit (hence needing a sitter to catch the pipe etc). I have looked at changa but i always thought that buying straight DMT was probably a stronger experience (im happy to accept that was believed wrongly lol).

I will probably order some more as im really keen to take off. Do you think maybe 100mg dose would be ok or do you think that runs the risk of being too much if it takes off ? I have never had a bad experience with psychedelics (in fast ive only had one bad experience with drugs in the past 9 years and it was due to silly dosing on MXE) so i don't know why my body (or rather mind) would  be unwilling to take me their.

@ DwarfSeeker
I thought maybe the first time i may burnt it a tad, but the second time i took so much care im pretty sure i didn't burn it, the taste wasn't awful, i don't smoke anything apart from cannabis (+tobacco only when rolling joints) it was just the burning sensation on the lips and tongue that was unpleasant.

Ive looked at a GVG but i think my shake and vape should do the trick, provided you regulate the heat properly. I guess it seems a fair consensus that i simply didn't hold it in for long enough, il encourage my friend to hold for 15-20 seconds and see where it gets him.
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: Shaker1013 on June 29, 2012, 01:59 pm
There is a chance its the quality of the DMT.  There is some real shit being sold on here.  I've bought it
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: PiggyPie on June 29, 2012, 02:41 pm
Well i am in no position to go around making accusations of quality. It is my first time with DMT so i cannot compare it to anything and the seller has very very strong feedback so i have no reason there to doubt. When my friend tries i will make sure he holds it in for a good 15-20 seconds, and report back my findings.

Just want to say thank you to the contributions so far, really looking forward to having a proper DMT experience =)
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: googaloo2 on June 29, 2012, 05:02 pm
try using a bong maybe. I tried it once had 0.08 in a nut with ash in it ripped it and held it in counted to 10 seconds and i was gone for 5 10 minutes was a mad experience..dunno if i would do it again.. was very positive though
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: PiggyPie on June 29, 2012, 06:11 pm
What put me off using a bong would be that i assume i would have to do the sandwich method; herb->dmt->herb and i just knew i would get it wrong, end up burning the DMT and wasting part of the effect =(
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: technofarm on June 29, 2012, 06:25 pm
same problem here
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: Edawg420 on June 29, 2012, 07:33 pm
Greetings fellow Psyconauts!

Alright, so i have been dabbling HARD with DMT for the past 2 months now and i can say i have a pretty SOLID method.

First of all if you have any friends with a Volcano, use that! its by far the fastest/easiest way to smoke it.

 @ PiggyPie, from the effects you told me, it sounds like you over heated the DMT.  I once burned the DMT too high and had ZERO effect and i thought the shit was bunk.  So try this method, and IMO the sandwich method is the way to go.

So what i do for FULL outer realm blast offs is the sandwich method.

I bought a 10 dollar steam roller so not to get clogged or too much residue.

Place a small amount of FINELY ground cannabis or mint leaves, if you don't smoke pot, at the bottom of the pipe.

Then place .05 or i like .07 =P sprinkled evenly over the pot.


Then again take some FINELY ground herb and gently layer it on top of the DMT.  Once you can't see the powder, add 1 more layer of pot/herb.  Next, I like to take the end of the pen and pack it all down gently so there is no space between the 2

The reason for the second layer of herb is that DMT vaporizes at a VERY low temp so when you light it you wanna cherry the HERB and SLOWLY pull the smoke through, as to NOT Burn the Cherry too quickly.

This is pretty tricky, but if you just casually smoke the bowl without letting the cherry die, i promise, you will be out of this world.

Now if you do all that and it still doesn't work, then you might have some bunk shit.

PS my friend always says his lips feel numb like after he goes too.  IDK if that is a fire burning feel but figured I'd mention it.

Vendors i have used are

DiMiTriSpice, and KidCasio.


KC is my main man for MT right now because he is super fast delivery and his shit is OUT OF THIS WORLD.  He said he'd be back soon, so hold out if you guys can!
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: PiggyPie on June 29, 2012, 07:51 pm
Yea maybe i did overheat, i just didn't think that could have been the case the second time round =S
To be honest the effects i experience were probably akin to a mild sedative which was what DwarfSeeker suggested  were the effects of a low low dose of DMT, in my case although the actual material used was not low, maybe the lack of holding in lungs meant my dose in real terms was low.

So less heat and long holding seem to be the way for me to go so far (im still not sure about the sandwich method, i will probably use it if i fail again) =)
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: Shaker1013 on June 29, 2012, 07:53 pm
i'm not gonna say which ones I did not like, but Buddha Nature's DMT is fire.  amazing product
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: PiggyPie on June 29, 2012, 08:05 pm
I don't wish to mention the vendors name, purely because they have a really good reputation and i don't want anyone to think im saying their product is bunk =)
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: war on June 29, 2012, 10:41 pm
The link in my signature takes you to Dimitrispice's page, I would argue against anyone that it's the purest DMT on here... I mean Dimitri synthesizes everything himself and gathers his own plants etc....  Taking one of his pharmahuasca pills will DEFINITELY put you into DMT land for a few hours and I really like the changa, not so much for breakthroughs just for the beautiful dreamscapes and my amazing thought quality....

Whatever you do, don't give up.  DMT is beyond words amazing :)
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: Edawg420 on June 29, 2012, 11:31 pm
Slow burn is the KEY brothas, i honestly don't hold it in all that long, but i try n hit it like pot.  4-5 seconds is more then enough.
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: stinkybreeze on June 30, 2012, 05:03 am
Bumping to save for myself  ; )
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: BossNab on June 30, 2012, 05:19 am
I would like to start off by saying i am NOT accusing the seller (as such i feel there is no reason to name names) of selling bogus product, i just want to know peoples advice on where i went wrong, and what to try next.

Ok so i recently bought some DMT from a very reputable vendor on here, arrived super quick and really stealthy, best packaging i've seen to date. So i weighed out 50mg (which seems to be the normal dose people take) put it in my vap pipe (its an Eagle Bill Shake and Vape) covered the top hole in the pipe so none of the vapor could escape and then put it over a candle i had burning. The product then turned from a slightly yellow substance to a liquid pretty fast and then began to turn to vapor, i held the pipe over the candle for a further 5-10 seconds to make sure the heat was high enough then removed from the heat and waited briefly for the liquid to give off all it was going to. Following this i removed my cover on the pipe and inhaled deeply, i got pretty much all the vapour in one hit, took it deeply and held for a few seconds, then i took the rest of what was left in the pipe and again held deeply. Not the nicest tasting substance but what hit me far more was the fact that it left a really unpleasant almost burning sensation on my lips, i have never vaporized a chemical before so maybe this is normal ? My lips are fairly chapped which probably contributed. Nothing really happened, my heart rate went up and became far more noticeable but absolutely no hallucinations, i could tell that i had taken something but there were none of the effects i read about being linked to DMT.

After this disappointment i waited 10-15 mins and decided to re-dose weighing out 70mg. I know i should probably have waited a while longer before re-dosing but i was so eager to enter 'hyper space' i couldn't wait so i cleaned out the residue left in the pipe using cotton buds and went again. Technique was the same, this time although it went to liquid just as fast, but it took a lot longer to get the vapor off it, but this was probably because i was being more cautious with the heating process. Anyway i got 2 big hits off this followed by 2 smaller hits (holding in lungs for probably 7 or 8 seconds) but the burning sensation on lips and tongue was far more intense. Maybe slightly more effects, i looked at my friends face (i had asked him to sit for me) and for an instant it looked as though things mite get trippy, but then back to normallity, again i could tell that i had taken something but not pronounced OEV or CEV. I felt only just off baseline and within 30 mins i felt back to normal.

Some back information about me; im about 6ft 1, weigh 16stone 4pounds (call it 104kg) and ive had a reasonable amount of drug use experience over the last 9 years. The only psychedelics i have experienced are AMT (numerous times) and LSD (just the once) and both provided visuals to some extent (especially the LSD). I also tried Peruvian Torch but the dosage was far to low to get any effects other than a slight rise off baseline. All i want to know is what people could suggest for me to experience the really powerful visuals attributed to DMT experiences, im just so jealous of all the erowid trip reports !

I'll be real with you. I have a ton of experience with Dmt...and really at least for me sometimes ill blast off sometimes I wont. It's just the way it is. I've use a GVG, bong, pipe, vapes...you name it. and honestly the best method I would recommend is mixing about 50-70mg with some herb and ripping from a bong. Keep in mind that you should keep the flame (I use a torch) over the herb for at LEAST 5-10 second. Just keep the flame over it until you're done milking it. I also find that milking for longer than one is usually used to has definitely worked for me. What I mean by that is if you usually rip a bowl for 5 seconds then do it for 8 or 9 seconds. Don't be hesitant and I guarantee you'll blast off.

Inhale it all and hold it in. Don't be a wiener and cough it all out.

On a side note - using a GVG is also very good. It saves a TON of deemers. Usually 70mg is good for me in a bong mixed with herb. Where in a GVG 30-50mg is more than enough if I get a good hit. And you don't have to mix it with any herb in a GVG. It'll run you about $100.

:)
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: sorekara on July 17, 2012, 06:00 pm
Not sure why more people don't use this method, as it's basically a cheaper version of the machine. Works for me every time, blast off in 1 toke. Take a 2 liter pepsi bottle, cut the bottom off, wrap in 2 layers of aluminum foil. Make a little indent in the foil where the DMT will sit on the inside. Just let it sit over a candle flame for a little bit, the entire bottle will become milky white, just unscrew the cap, take a hit and bid farewell to reality. Or maybe it's bid farewell to the dream and prepare to wake up? I usually make sure the foil is a bit baggy at the bottom so I don't melt any of the plastic. Give it a try!
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: nimbus on July 17, 2012, 06:34 pm
Not sure why more people don't use this method, as it's basically a cheaper version of the machine. Works for me every time, blast off in 1 toke. Take a 2 liter pepsi bottle, cut the bottom off, wrap in 2 layers of aluminum foil. Make a little indent in the foil where the DMT will sit on the inside. Just let it sit over a candle flame for a little bit, the entire bottle will become milky white, just unscrew the cap, take a hit and bid farewell to reality. Or maybe it's bid farewell to the dream and prepare to wake up? I usually make sure the foil is a bit baggy at the bottom so I don't melt any of the plastic. Give it a try!

I wanted to try this myself but I got worried when I read something to the effect of smoking off of aluminum foil can give you lockjaw or other problems... any truth to this?
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: sorekara on July 17, 2012, 08:35 pm
Not sure why more people don't use this method, as it's basically a cheaper version of the machine. Works for me every time, blast off in 1 toke. Take a 2 liter pepsi bottle, cut the bottom off, wrap in 2 layers of aluminum foil. Make a little indent in the foil where the DMT will sit on the inside. Just let it sit over a candle flame for a little bit, the entire bottle will become milky white, just unscrew the cap, take a hit and bid farewell to reality. Or maybe it's bid farewell to the dream and prepare to wake up? I usually make sure the foil is a bit baggy at the bottom so I don't melt any of the plastic. Give it a try!

I wanted to try this myself but I got worried when I read something to the effect of smoking off of aluminum foil can give you lockjaw or other problems... any truth to this?

I've heard some rumors similar to this, and most of the studies I read about were linked to heroin, so it's likely that an adulterant in the heroin is responsible and not the foil. Would be a bitter irony if foil was killing heroin addicts and not the heroin. I feel the same way though, and luckily since the temperature required to vape the DMT is so low, I keep the flame far away enough from the foil so that the DMT can be vaporize without burning the foil. To be honest, it must be much safer than grilling/baking with foil, because the heat involved in that case is much higher, the the flame actually makes contact with the foil in the case of grilling (I guess this isn't true all the time, but it happens quite a lot when grease/fat drips into the flame).
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: pachang on July 17, 2012, 10:15 pm
there are three rumors around aluminium foil I am aware off:

1. one side (shiny) is good, the other (dull) is bad, burn the foil with a lighter before smoking from it.

this is bullshit, the different look of the sides comes from the production process (look it up on wikipedia).
normal foil is not coated with anything and is pure aluminium.

2. smoking off foil causes alzheimers

absolutely no proof for this. This rumor probably comes from the fact that alzheimer patients have more aluminium in their brains but this is most likely an effect and not the cause of the disease.

3. smoking heroin off foil leads to toxic leucoencephalopathy

there have been some cases. the aluminium foil has not been implicated but the cause is still unknown. Might be a toxic cut.
For an overview see http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/heroin/heroin_health2.shtml
It has only happened to people smoking heroin, as there are a lot of people who use foil to smoke meth, grass and other drugs it's unlikely it's the foil's fault.

So make up your mind.

About your DMT problem:
50mg of good DMT should give you at least noticeable effects.
you should try to inhale the vapor immediately, DMT recrystallizes extremely fast. Don't let it cool. Trying to vaporize it at once and waiting might have wasted a lot
I had instant breakthrough with 40mg in a "machine" (little pipe built out of a small liquor bottle and a brillo pad, i.e. glorified crack pipe). You can build it yourself for 3$ in 5minutes and it works really well.
just google it, you'll find loads of information about dmt+the machine
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: PiggyPie on August 14, 2012, 04:32 pm
Thanks for all the great responses, I have been offline since the start of July but have finally managed to get back !

Ok so my friend took the rest of the DMT (a 50mg dose and a 70mg dose) and this time i was very very careful with heating it up, turned to liquid very quickly but took quite a while to turn from the liquid into vapor. Both hits were done within 30mins of each other. On both doses the effects were sedation, slight mood elevation, feeling very relaxed.

My friend probably experienced these effects to a greater extent than i did (due in part to him being a bit smaller than me) and he was pretty happy with it but the notable thing missing again was no visuals, no breakthrough.

I think i mite buy another batch off another seller, but given the massive inflation that BTC has undergone since i left (£4 per BTC then, £8 per BTC now) it mite be awhile till i get another purchase. Prices have obviously comedown, but not quite in uniform as far as i can tell =(

Anyway it's great to be back at least !
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: Froster on August 14, 2012, 05:10 pm
I used a volcano the first time, great visuals, but no breakthrough.  The problem was I let the smoke sit in the bag for too long.

I was determined to breakthrough my second time so I modified the volcano setup such that I could take hits directly as it was vaping. Basically attached a straw to the bag. It worked wonders.
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: username100 on August 14, 2012, 08:00 pm
I have a 100% breakthrough success rate. I've never not broken through. The trick is not to smoke it but to inject it into a vein.
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: BuddhaNature on August 14, 2012, 08:08 pm
The key with DMT is to do it as quickly as possible. If you wait for a hit to fully kick in before taking another, the rush from the first will begin to dissappate before the second kicks in.

Don't take really bit hits, just take fairly large hits and hold them in for a few seconds. Don't blow them out instantly or cough, but also don't hold it in for 30 seconds. This isn't salvia.

You know how whenever take a drug you're always thinking "Is it kicking in yet?" Try not to do that with DMT. Try to turn that off until you're done with your third hit. Until you lean back and close your eyes, your main job is to kill the bowl efficiently as possible.
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: PiggyPie on August 14, 2012, 08:14 pm
Well just to put it out there i wont be trying to IV DMT.........really not my thing........

I would say each toke was probably held for 15 seconds with my friend and as soon as he exhaled he took another toke (got maybe 3 out of the 50mg dose, 5 out of the 70mg). Like i say next time i have some coinage i will make a purchase, only got .83 atm =(
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: stinkybreeze on August 14, 2012, 10:17 pm
Just ordered more dmt with changa as well. Also ordered a sherlock gvg. Will be using the sandwich method with the new pipe and changa with dmt. Will report back next week. when it arrives and I consume. Excited about the gvg, had a hard time with not burning it.



One more thing on the iv'ing it. Do/did u perform some kind of wash? How much per  ml etc. Please elaborate your method. 23g needle or what? Never banged before but I am in a medical profession and am confident in my iv technique. Wondering mix/preparation. Still not sure I will cross that line yet.
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: username100 on August 14, 2012, 11:41 pm
I used a 27g 1/2" needle attached to a 1cc syringe (diabetic). I recommend you use a 27g or higher because anything else will leave a puncture wound.

Here are the instructions: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=31398.msg359607#msg359607
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: stinkybreeze on August 15, 2012, 01:31 am
I used a 27g 1/2" needle attached to a 1cc syringe (diabetic). I recommend you use a 27g or higher because anything else will leave a puncture wound.

Here are the instructions: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=31398.msg359607#msg359607

BAM! Wonderful read! I believe I shall try sometime. Thanks!
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: spinbox1 on August 15, 2012, 07:53 pm
I would like to start off by saying i am NOT accusing the seller (as such i feel there is no reason to name names) of selling bogus product, i just want to know peoples advice on where i went wrong, and what to try next.

Ok so i recently bought some DMT from a very reputable vendor on here, arrived super quick and really stealthy, best packaging i've seen to date. So i weighed out 50mg (which seems to be the normal dose people take) put it in my vap pipe (its an Eagle Bill Shake and Vape) covered the top hole in the pipe so none of the vapor could escape and then put it over a candle i had burning. The product then turned from a slightly yellow substance to a liquid pretty fast and then began to turn to vapor, i held the pipe over the candle for a further 5-10 seconds to make sure the heat was high enough then removed from the heat and waited briefly for the liquid to give off all it was going to. Following this i removed my cover on the pipe and inhaled deeply, i got pretty much all the vapour in one hit, took it deeply and held for a few seconds, then i took the rest of what was left in the pipe and again held deeply. Not the nicest tasting substance but what hit me far more was the fact that it left a really unpleasant almost burning sensation on my lips, i have never vaporized a chemical before so maybe this is normal ? My lips are fairly chapped which probably contributed. Nothing really happened, my heart rate went up and became far more noticeable but absolutely no hallucinations, i could tell that i had taken something but there were none of the effects i read about being linked to DMT.

After this disappointment i waited 10-15 mins and decided to re-dose weighing out 70mg. I know i should probably have waited a while longer before re-dosing but i was so eager to enter 'hyper space' i couldn't wait so i cleaned out the residue left in the pipe using cotton buds and went again. Technique was the same, this time although it went to liquid just as fast, but it took a lot longer to get the vapor off it, but this was probably because i was being more cautious with the heating process. Anyway i got 2 big hits off this followed by 2 smaller hits (holding in lungs for probably 7 or 8 seconds) but the burning sensation on lips and tongue was far more intense. Maybe slightly more effects, i looked at my friends face (i had asked him to sit for me) and for an instant it looked as though things mite get trippy, but then back to normallity, again i could tell that i had taken something but not pronounced OEV or CEV. I felt only just off baseline and within 30 mins i felt back to normal.

Some back information about me; im about 6ft 1, weigh 16stone 4pounds (call it 104kg) and ive had a reasonable amount of drug use experience over the last 9 years. The only psychedelics i have experienced are AMT (numerous times) and LSD (just the once) and both provided visuals to some extent (especially the LSD). I also tried Peruvian Torch but the dosage was far to low to get any effects other than a slight rise off baseline. All i want to know is what people could suggest for me to experience the really powerful visuals attributed to DMT experiences, im just so jealous of all the erowid trip reports !

I'll be real with you. I have a ton of experience with Dmt...and really at least for me sometimes ill blast off sometimes I wont. It's just the way it is. I've use a GVG, bong, pipe, vapes...you name it. and honestly the best method I would recommend is mixing about 50-70mg with some herb and ripping from a bong. Keep in mind that you should keep the flame (I use a torch) over the herb for at LEAST 5-10 second. Just keep the flame over it until you're done milking it. I also find that milking for longer than one is usually used to has definitely worked for me. What I mean by that is if you usually rip a bowl for 5 seconds then do it for 8 or 9 seconds. Don't be hesitant and I guarantee you'll blast off.

Inhale it all and hold it in. Don't be a wiener and cough it all out.

On a side note - using a GVG is also very good. It saves a TON of deemers. Usually 70mg is good for me in a bong mixed with herb. Where in a GVG 30-50mg is more than enough if I get a good hit. And you don't have to mix it with any herb in a GVG. It'll run you about $100.

:)


What Vapor Genie model is the best for smoking DMT?  The classic wood one, the glass bat, or the glass sherlock?  I've never broken through on DMT and I think my next step is to try one of these Vapor Genies.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: Orinoko Flow on August 27, 2012, 07:23 pm
Not sure why more people don't use this method, as it's basically a cheaper version of the machine. Works for me every time, blast off in 1 toke. Take a 2 liter pepsi bottle, cut the bottom off, wrap in 2 layers of aluminum foil. Make a little indent in the foil where the DMT will sit on the inside. Just let it sit over a candle flame for a little bit, the entire bottle will become milky white, just unscrew the cap, take a hit and bid farewell to reality. Or maybe it's bid farewell to the dream and prepare to wake up? I usually make sure the foil is a bit baggy at the bottom so I don't melt any of the plastic. Give it a try!

I haven't had any luck with dmt on my first go, im going to try this method and the machine and will let you all know if it works..

Anyone know what size henessey bottle you need for the machine, i heard you need a tiny single serving bottle but i thought surely thats too small.
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: Ensine99 on September 24, 2012, 06:44 am
Ok, I've been reading all this stuff about ways to get dmt to be just perfect for your trip. and here is my summary of the ways I've tried

Bong (w/ herb or weed) - waste of DMT, you need to use much more then you normally would (2-3x) to get the same effects since some of it will burn off. If you have an ample supply it'll sure get you there, and the weed helps to enhance the experience, but for those without much on hand I'd recommend against this.

"The Machine" - it works, but it takes a long time to heat the dmt in the steel wool, and some of my wool ended up catching on fire, which made it taste really bad and caustic. I failed to take off, but could see it working.

Vape (weed vape w/ a tin foil insert bowl) air flow was a problem, the dmt melted and leaked out of the sides, and on top of that its hard to get a full on hit. I'd recommend against this method.

Weed pipe - sucks, don't do it.

Oil burner - air flow was an issue, i had problems keeping the temp low enough with a torch burner, and it requires numerous hits since each one is such a small dosing. maybe with a card hole drilled in it would work but as is its rather bad.

freebasing aluminum foil - no. just no.

glass ball "meth/crack" pipe - tastes off, slighly burnt, a little too much seems to escape from the bowl and it takes a few hits to get anywhere, I doubt breaking through is probable with this method, i'd recommend against, but its better then most on this list.

2L plastic bottle w/ tin foil base - i got a decent hit from it, but it tasted the worst of any of the methods I tried, it burned really bad and had a melted tape/plastic taste, you can probably break through like this but the pain to your lungs isn't worth it.

Extended can (rockstar/monster) w/ the top clipped off and replaced with foil, carb hole inserted near the bottom. Works, but is hard to gauge since you can't see the vapor, I was very concerned about burning the contents, but managed to get an ok hit, no where near breaking through though. this is a pretty bad method, but at least it tastes ok.

My own personal creation (and favorite method) - "The Spaceship" - basically a modified version of "The machine" allows you to take a solid hit, enough so that you can break through, heating is very easy and can be controled quite well (I have yet to burn any with this method after 5 hits!) it still tastes like dmt and comes out rather hot, but its much nicer tasting then the crack pipe, can, or 2L. This is the first and only method that I've tried that works every-time, my only concern right now is that my breathing hole might be too small, which could impair getting a large enough hit to break through.
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: Ensine99 on September 24, 2012, 09:37 am
Things needed for "The Spaceship"
1 hobo stove - take a tin can (tuna cans are perfect) cut off the top, consume anything inside. create a wick from a paper towel or cotton balls (cotton probably works better) feed the wick through a layer of cotton that fills up the entire base of the stove.
fill the rest of the stove with rubbing alcohol, drill a hole in the middle of the can lid to allow for the wick to pass through, feed through the wick and replace the lid, the lid will be held in place by the clothes hanger.
1 clothes hanger - bend it so it has three legs and a middle ring above the legs large enough to hold your bottle right around 1/2-1" away from the wick. place the three legs on the inside rim of the hobo stove so they sit between the can and the lid, this will fasten the lid in place.
1 liquor bottle (clear, glass, thin neck and a sturdy bottom) I used wild turkey but you could use anything. A 750ml bottle works but I'm going to experiment with a 1.75L vodka bottle.
1. drill bit for glass/ceramic, and a power drill to use it with (3/8" works but I think 1/2-1" would be better)
Tin foil
1 paper clip
1 lighter (torch or fire starter)
a cork or other similar method for plugging the breathing hole.
Remove the labels from your bottle, wash it thoroughly with rubbing alcohol and salt, drill a hole in the middle of the bottom of your bottle (this will take a while) the bigger this hole is the more you can take in a single hit. build a dmt catch/ holder out of aluminum foil. It should be large enough to totally plug the bottom of the bottle, but not too long as to make it harder to heat. Crush two air channels into the side of the dmt holder when you have confirmed it fits the bottle - these are important so you can get some airflow during the heating., place a bent paper clip through the bottom to easily remove the dmt holder. (you want to tug it out a little when the vapor has collected to allow more airflow and a stronger hit). - That's it! its built.   8)

Using it has to be the laziest method for smoking dmt, simply pack your hit into the vape bowl, cram the bowl into the bottle, place the bottle on top of the wire hanger above the wick, cork the top, and light the wick. sit back relax and prepare yourself while the dmt vaporizes, watch it to make sure it doesn't get too hot (if you made the stove properly it shouldn't- i use an 1/8" hole for the wick). when you see the first traces of vapor give it a quick pull to help the air flow and pull out some of the clean air (if you taste the dmt stop) when the bottle is filled and cloudy and you can no longer see dmt rising from the bowl (or it starts to come out the air channels in the bottom) remove from the heat source, pull the dmt holder out enough to maximize airflow (wearing a glove, don't burn yourself) and suck down the biggest hit you can.

If anyone is interested I can post pictures
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: Ensine99 on September 25, 2012, 07:54 pm
If anyone is interested I can post pictures
of course ;)
If anyone is interested I can post pictures
of course ;)

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The plug for the top (I used a wild turkey bottle top cork wrapped in plastic food wrap to make it airtight. and the bowl, the screw allows for it to be removed more easily. (pull the screw with pliers)

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the hobo stove, the wick is a little large here, i trimmed it about 1/3 and that seems to be about perfect.

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=dcd4c087b92a0811a911ec82ed1951ca.png
in ensemble be sure to monitor your vapor so that you can tell if it needs to be hotter or colder and move the bottle accordingly, keep a light on hand so you can watch the bowl for any signs or burning, or escaping vapor.  ;D
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: Niriane on September 25, 2012, 08:48 pm
I would like to start off by saying i am NOT accusing the seller (as such i feel there is no reason to name names) of selling bogus product, i just want to know peoples advice on where i went wrong, and what to try next.

Ok so i recently bought some DMT from a very reputable vendor on here, arrived super quick and really stealthy, best packaging i've seen to date. So i weighed out 50mg (which seems to be the normal dose people take) put it in my vap pipe (its an Eagle Bill Shake and Vape) covered the top hole in the pipe so none of the vapor could escape and then put it over a candle i had burning. The product then turned from a slightly yellow substance to a liquid pretty fast and then began to turn to vapor, i held the pipe over the candle for a further 5-10 seconds to make sure the heat was high enough then removed from the heat and waited briefly for the liquid to give off all it was going to. Following this i removed my cover on the pipe and inhaled deeply, i got pretty much all the vapour in one hit, took it deeply and held for a few seconds, then i took the rest of what was left in the pipe and again held deeply. Not the nicest tasting substance but what hit me far more was the fact that it left a really unpleasant almost burning sensation on my lips, i have never vaporized a chemical before so maybe this is normal ? My lips are fairly chapped which probably contributed. Nothing really happened, my heart rate went up and became far more noticeable but absolutely no hallucinations, i could tell that i had taken something but there were none of the effects i read about being linked to DMT.

After this disappointment i waited 10-15 mins and decided to re-dose weighing out 70mg. I know i should probably have waited a while longer before re-dosing but i was so eager to enter 'hyper space' i couldn't wait so i cleaned out the residue left in the pipe using cotton buds and went again. Technique was the same, this time although it went to liquid just as fast, but it took a lot longer to get the vapor off it, but this was probably because i was being more cautious with the heating process. Anyway i got 2 big hits off this followed by 2 smaller hits (holding in lungs for probably 7 or 8 seconds) but the burning sensation on lips and tongue was far more intense. Maybe slightly more effects, i looked at my friends face (i had asked him to sit for me) and for an instant it looked as though things mite get trippy, but then back to normallity, again i could tell that i had taken something but not pronounced OEV or CEV. I felt only just off baseline and within 30 mins i felt back to normal.

Some back information about me; im about 6ft 1, weigh 16stone 4pounds (call it 104kg) and ive had a reasonable amount of drug use experience over the last 9 years. The only psychedelics i have experienced are AMT (numerous times) and LSD (just the once) and both provided visuals to some extent (especially the LSD). I also tried Peruvian Torch but the dosage was far to low to get any effects other than a slight rise off baseline. All i want to know is what people could suggest for me to experience the really powerful visuals attributed to DMT experiences, im just so jealous of all the erowid trip reports !

I'll be real with you. I have a ton of experience with Dmt...and really at least for me sometimes ill blast off sometimes I wont. It's just the way it is. I've use a GVG, bong, pipe, vapes...you name it. and honestly the best method I would recommend is mixing about 50-70mg with some herb and ripping from a bong. Keep in mind that you should keep the flame (I use a torch) over the herb for at LEAST 5-10 second. Just keep the flame over it until you're done milking it. I also find that milking for longer than one is usually used to has definitely worked for me. What I mean by that is if you usually rip a bowl for 5 seconds then do it for 8 or 9 seconds. Don't be hesitant and I guarantee you'll blast off.

Inhale it all and hold it in. Don't be a wiener and cough it all out.

On a side note - using a GVG is also very good. It saves a TON of deemers. Usually 70mg is good for me in a bong mixed with herb. Where in a GVG 30-50mg is more than enough if I get a good hit. And you don't have to mix it with any herb in a GVG. It'll run you about $100.

:)


What Vapor Genie model is the best for smoking DMT?  The classic wood one, the glass bat, or the glass sherlock?  I've never broken through on DMT and I think my next step is to try one of these Vapor Genies.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Failed to take off with DMT; Advice Please !
Post by: gingerballs on February 22, 2013, 09:11 pm
i just tried using a self-made "machine" with stool wool.. but i think i ended up burning the spice, as i had the burning sensation in my mouth... which freaked me out since i wasn't in the right headspace (not on any other drugs, but i had just gotten off work).

i think i might have scrunched up my steel wool up too tightly, which didn't allow the vapor to flow through. will have to try again - btw, i was pretty freaked out even with the small amounts of spice i had taken in.