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Title: I think I was sold a flavorless -Nbome. Is this even possible?
Post by: BigBlackDJ on October 30, 2012, 04:48 am
While I normally try and avoid buying anything im not "positive" of what it is, I went ahead and experimented outside the norm for once. I have quite the grand collection of psychedelics saved up for "a rainy day" kind of situation and the only three I was really lacking in, is AMT, 5-meo-dmt, and some good old fashion LSD. So, A good friend of mine told me he had a colleague of his give him some pretty darn good acid. I, being the skeptical paranoid psychonut that I am, asked if it was indeed real LSD and if there were any indications or possibility that it wasnt real LSD (ie. Bitterness, excessively long trip, numbing of the tounge, etc). He told me the gentleman was in his mid 50's that he got it from and that he had been frequently getting tabs and liquid as well. My eyes opened and I jumped at the possible opportunity. I once again asked, are they bitter, numbing, long trip, extreme nausea, etc? He replied, "No, not that I can taste". I proceeded to ask him if he could get me a test sample of one-10 strip and one-10 ml vial of 10 hits. He did and I got the stuff. I then proceeded to do the good ol' taste taste. Iv taken my fair share of psychedelics, so I cleared out my day incase this wasnt LSD by any scary chance. I put 1 tab on the tounge, and wala, NO BITTER TASTE. 15 minutes later I swallow the tab. Since I didnt get an initial bitter kick, I proceeded to try 1 ml of the liquid on the tounge at about the 30 minute marker. Not too long after that, I begin to feel the very LSD like come up. A slight tingle begins to emerge throughout my mouth, but I let it not phase me since I assumed its the "acid goosebumps" you sometimes get during a come up. After about an hour and a half in, im definitely tripping, not shattering my skull, but definitely tripping good. Very visual, very mental, very physical, Awesome OEV and CEV. It was exactly was I was looking from for a trip except after one point I noticed that same slight tingle in my mouth. Not necessarily on the spot where the tab sat, just in my mouth in general. At about the 4 hour marker, the platue began coming down as expected and the very acid like comedown was still occurring. At this point, my trip was very consumed from trying to differentiate if I had consumed Nbome or LSD. By about 6 hrs in, I was still feeling the psychedelic effects, but they were definitely diminishing. The slight numbing sensation was completely gone and by 8 hours, I was pretty down and done tripping. Miniscule little things here and there or vary slight hue and after color change, but nothing that would freak me out or keep me from driving to the grocery store or something...

Anyways. By the next day, I was still trying to differentiate if this was -nbome or LSD. I told my friend I had a suspicion it wasnt LSD and that he should probably have a "word" with his gentleman and maybe double check to make sure its not a -nbome he's selling. After having spoke to the gentleman, the guy stated once again that he said it was indeed LSD. I than proceeded to order a reagent test to see if it was indeed, real LSD. After the kit came, the results proved to be just as I expected. This stuff was NOT LSD. So after the negative LSD test, I came to only assume it was probably 25c because of how similar it was to LSD.  I saved this with my nbomes and just told my friend to tell his 50+ year old friend "fuck you" and thank you for the overpriced NBOME.

A few weeks later I decide I want to trip again and recalled I had this super potent nbome that had absolutely no bitter kick and slight to miniscule numbing sensation. I then go ahead and proceed to just take 2ml of the liquid assuming the tabs were the ones that gave me the slight oral numbing sensation. 1 hr later the trip slightly begins, by 2 hrs i full blown tripping my face off. Extremely mental, spiritual, no anxiety. Quite the awesome trip. Until this thought crosses my head, "Is my mouth numb at all". I lick all around sporadically, looking like something off Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas, and come to realize, no numbing sensation. My trip here continues to build, peak and plateau, and it wasnt until somewhere during the comedown that this thought about the mouth numbing feeling comes to my head again. After about 5 or so minutes of looking like a tripping idiot again, trying to figure if I have a mouth numbing sensation, I realize, no mouth numbing feeling. So I ride off the rest of the trip and rest easy until the next day.

So the second day, I waste another 1ml to see if my reagent test might of just been incorrect. Once again, it showed negative for LSD. I than thought, "Hmm, strange. Must of been the tabs that gave me the slight bitter kick".
(Now please realize i'v taken alot of nbomes, so I know the numbing sensation and how hardcore that can get or the burning feeling over the spot where the tabs stay. The feeling im describing is very minute. Like just a mild spray of the oral novacaine for kids)

So a week later, I try to solve this mystery once and for all. I reserve yet another free day and eat 3 of the tabs. Hold it one between the gum and lip, one under the tongue, one on the tongue (Trying to avoid any possibility of error. Hahaha). After placing the tabs, no burn, no taste. After about 40 minutes I get a whole body goosebump -come up, feel, so I swallow my tabs. I start to lick around to try and detect any oral numbing feel. After about an hour in the trip begins to come very notably and the oral numbing sensation is back, but all around once again. Not in any single spot where I held a tab. Once again, this numbing feel was so miniscule compared to every other nbome iv had, that it was very easy to ignore during the trip. So the same, LSD -like trip comes ands goes and I rest as usual. The next day I find myself quite stumped because of how flavorless the nbome was and even more -so, how miniscule the numbing sensation was.

I later ask my friend to try and contact his old friend so I could ask him more about what he had sold me. It wasnt LSD, but its characteristics werent like any nbome iv ever had before. The trip wasnt super extended like any DOX substance, so I was truly curious as to which 25-nbome substance it was. He told me that the gentleman had apparently relocated back west, but he was able to get in contact with him. Apparently the guy said he didnt want to say much, though he told him that I was "on the right tracks" and that his stuff was concealed with Benecoat. I told my friend to please forward how "asshole-ish" that is of him having sold us something without telling us, but im glad he finally did tell us (Though I wish I had the sensible violence in me to beat the shit out of this ass hole). None the less, Do you folks think the substance I received was 25c -NBOME? Do you think he could have found a good combination of 25c and 25i and covered it with benecoat to give and LSD like feel? I googled this Benecoat stuff and apparently it is used to conceal the taste of pharmaceuticals. Do you think this would some how would reduce the numbing sensation though too? This I wouldnt think so; But how many substances could this guy have been mixing to have this all fit on blotters?
I ultimately wish I could somehow sneak these substances through a GC chromotograph to know for sure. :(
Do you guys think someone out there has been experimenting long enough with sub 1mg substances and mixtures of phenethalamines, to make a super similar -non bitter LSD? Am I just stoned, paranoid, and entirely too much of a psychonaut?   
Title: Re: I think I was sold a flavorless -Nbome. Is this even possible?
Post by: GreenPEAs on October 30, 2012, 05:02 am
There is an easier way to figure this out. You've got a small lineup of possible suspects:

25X-NBOMe
5-MeO-aMT
DOx
LSD (or derivative thereof)

You say you have a reagent test, so I'm assuming that's Ehrlich's reagent. This will show you if you have an indole ring or not in the chemical, so since you tested "negative", we can rule out LSD and it's relatives as well as 5-MeO-aMT.

At this point you're left with only the psychedelic amphetamines and the NBOMe series. To my knowledge *and* in my own experience, the NBOMe-family is extremely weak or completely inactive when consumed. Please note that I say consumed - not left in the mouth, but just directly eaten. This applies whether they are complexed with HPBCD, freebase, or a salt. So pop a tab in and swallow immediately or dry out a few mLs of liquid, capsule the powder, and consume.

If the compound is a psychedelic amphetamine, it will still be fully active. If it is an NBOMe, you will not get anything beyond placebo effect. While I don't have experience with Benecoat, I've never had an NBOMe not leave me with lingering stimulation long past the 8-10 hour mark and the numbing of the oral cavity has always been very distinctive and pronounced for me.

If you rule out the NBOMe family, then the real question is what psychedelic amphetamine has an effects profile with a duration like that? The most common are the three halogenated DOx chemicals. DOB and DOI present with very long durations and fairly distinct physical effects. DOC is a real beauty of a drug and for me usually lasts no more than 8-10 hours. This is the most likely culprit. That being said I've also tried DOM and while it is very rare and not likely to be passed off as LSD, it also has similar effects and duration. DOT, DOET, DOPR, DOEF, and their brethren are far too rare to be sold in this way. They would be marketed as what they are for high prices to the collector market.

Good luck man, I hope you figure it out!
Title: Re: I think I was sold a flavorless -Nbome. Is this even possible?
Post by: BigBlackDJ on October 30, 2012, 05:33 am
There is an easier way to figure this out. You've got a small lineup of possible suspects:

25X-NBOMe
5-MeO-aMT
DOx
LSD (or derivative thereof)

You say you have a reagent test, so I'm assuming that's Ehrlich's reagent. This will show you if you have an indole ring or not in the chemical, so since you tested "negative", we can rule out LSD and it's relatives as well as 5-MeO-aMT.

At this point you're left with only the psychedelic amphetamines and the NBOMe series. To my knowledge *and* in my own experience, the NBOMe-family is extremely weak or completely inactive when consumed. Please note that I say consumed - not left in the mouth, but just directly eaten. This applies whether they are complexed with HPBCD, freebase, or a salt. So pop a tab in and swallow immediately or dry out a few mLs of liquid, capsule the powder, and consume.

If the compound is a psychedelic amphetamine, it will still be fully active. If it is an NBOMe, you will not get anything beyond placebo effect. While I don't have experience with Benecoat, I've never had an NBOMe not leave me with lingering stimulation long past the 8-10 hour mark and the numbing of the oral cavity has always been very distinctive and pronounced for me.

If you rule out the NBOMe family, then the real question is what psychedelic amphetamine has an effects profile with a duration like that? The most common are the three halogenated DOx chemicals. DOB and DOI present with very long durations and fairly distinct physical effects. DOC is a real beauty of a drug and for me usually lasts no more than 8-10 hours. This is the most likely culprit. That being said I've also tried DOM and while it is very rare and not likely to be passed off as LSD, it also has similar effects and duration. DOT, DOET, DOPR, DOEF, and their brethren are far too rare to be sold in this way. They would be marketed as what they are for high prices to the collector market.

Good luck man, I hope you figure it out!

Thanks for the quick response. Since these havent been in anyway a body over-load, or negative in any psychedelic way, Ill definitely go ahead and try the immediate tab swallow AND dry evaporate to rule out psychedelic amphetamine. If I rule out the Nbomes, illl only have to assume its a DoX compound. But that still leaves me wondering why he said, "I was on the right track" and why he even mention Benecoat. Thats why the slight-minimal numbing tingle and no taste leads me to believe a nbome compound.