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Title: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: conehead on June 11, 2012, 01:23 am
Hello good people,

I have hypertension which is controlled by lisinopril 40mg. I recently had a few experiences with duderug's 2ci-nbome, 2-6mg doses.

I have decided that, although I truely enjoy this drug despite the mild side effects of sweating, especially heavy forehead/eye sweating, I need to find a different psychedelic to test. My blood pressure skyrockets on this stuff. Even at a 2mg dose it goes very high, almost to 200/120. It's scary for me and I would rather trip without a quiet acceptance of the potential for death, which I find helps to clear the fear of the cardiovascular effects from my conscious thoughts.

Does anyone have any recommendations? LSD is so expensive, but I'm planning to save for a good quality 10 strip.

I have read some reports that the 4-aco-DMT/DET and DOC can cause hypertension, especially in very strong doses. I typically do not need a strong dose for psychedelics. 2mg of 2ci-nbome gives me great visual effects.

Longer lasting effects would also be desirable. I like the idea of day tripping with DOC, but I don't want any cardio effects. I find that 2ci-nbome is over before i'm ready to stop tripping, except for the 5-6mg dose I took a week ago. That was a ride.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: AncientX on June 11, 2012, 02:34 am
What about mushrooms, or LSD? Im not sure if those cause hypertention or not, but i know their not speedy like some other psychs.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: oscarzululondon on June 11, 2012, 03:37 am
Definitely try mushrooms. I don't find them speedy at all.

As you said, LSD is the ultimate solution but hey ho ridiculously expensive.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: sdesu on June 11, 2012, 04:03 am
Definitely try mushrooms. I don't find them speedy at all.

As you said, LSD is the ultimate solution but hey ho ridiculously expensive.

Both mushrooms and LSD have the potential to raise blood pressure, though LSD is several times more potent than psilocybin/psilocin. For the average healthy person, changes in blood pressure aren't much of an issue, since the body's natural response is to balance everything (homeostasis). Unfortunately for Conehead, he's got hypertension, which is currently being managed with medication (Lisinopril, an ACE inhibitor). If he/she takes a drug that can (potentially) override the effects of the lisinopril, potentially causing a marked increase in BP which may lead to a heart attack or stroke.

Honestly, there's not much you can do. Since you're already on an ACE inhibitor, adding any additional antihypertensive (alpha and/or beta blockers) leads to an increased risk of what is called a pharmacodynamic interaction - it results in an effect that is more than the sum of the effects of the two interacting drugs, aka excessive vasodilation, aka potentially severe hypotension, which is not what you need.

sdesu

P.S. For those of you counting, yes, I did use the word potential(ly) several times - four to be exact.




Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: DrGonzoII on June 11, 2012, 04:14 am
I would just like to say that 2-6 mg is a ridiculously high dose range for that stuff. the only reason someone should take that much 25i-nbome is if they are dosing too often because of its extreme tolerance effects. 0.5 - 1.5 mg is a much more appropriate dosage.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: roguecherokee on June 11, 2012, 04:36 am
Definitely try mushrooms. I don't find them speedy at all.

As you said, LSD is the ultimate solution but hey ho ridiculously expensive.

Both mushrooms and LSD have the potential to raise blood pressure, though LSD is several times more potent than psilocybin/psilocin. For the average healthy person, changes in blood pressure aren't much of an issue, since the body's natural response is to balance everything (homeostasis). Unfortunately for Conehead, he's got hypertension, which is currently being managed with medication (Lisinopril, an ACE inhibitor). If he/she takes a drug that can (potentially) override the effects of the lisinopril, potentially causing a marked increase in BP which may lead to a heart attack or stroke.

Honestly, there's not much you can do. Since you're already on an ACE inhibitor, adding any additional antihypertensive (alpha and/or beta blockers) leads to an increased risk of what is called a pharmacodynamic interaction - it results in an effect that is more than the sum of the effects of the two interacting drugs, aka excessive vasodilation, aka potentially severe hypotension, which is not what you need.

sdesu

P.S. For those of you counting, yes, I did use the word potential(ly) several times - four to be exact.
I'm not quite sure about others, but I find LSD to be incredibly speedy at times. I had this white on white at some music festival and literally felt like I was speeding balls in a good way at some points. But the fact that you've taken NBOMe, which is a Phenethylamine, containing stimulant properties, makes me feel as though traditional psychedelics shouldn't be a problem. Shrooms are probably the perfect trip for you, as I'm actually able to fall asleep at times while on shrooms (right?). They're great for chilling out and taking in good vibes.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: sdesu on June 11, 2012, 05:20 am
Definitely try mushrooms. I don't find them speedy at all.

As you said, LSD is the ultimate solution but hey ho ridiculously expensive.

Both mushrooms and LSD have the potential to raise blood pressure, though LSD is several times more potent than psilocybin/psilocin. For the average healthy person, changes in blood pressure aren't much of an issue, since the body's natural response is to balance everything (homeostasis). Unfortunately for Conehead, he's got hypertension, which is currently being managed with medication (Lisinopril, an ACE inhibitor). If he/she takes a drug that can (potentially) override the effects of the lisinopril, potentially causing a marked increase in BP which may lead to a heart attack or stroke.

Honestly, there's not much you can do. Since you're already on an ACE inhibitor, adding any additional antihypertensive (alpha and/or beta blockers) leads to an increased risk of what is called a pharmacodynamic interaction - it results in an effect that is more than the sum of the effects of the two interacting drugs, aka excessive vasodilation, aka potentially severe hypotension, which is not what you need.

sdesu

P.S. For those of you counting, yes, I did use the word potential(ly) several times - four to be exact.
I'm not quite sure about others, but I find LSD to be incredibly speedy at times. I had this white on white at some music festival and literally felt like I was speeding balls in a good way at some points. But the fact that you've taken NBOMe, which is a Phenethylamine, containing stimulant properties, makes me feel as though traditional psychedelics shouldn't be a problem. Shrooms are probably the perfect trip for you, as I'm actually able to fall asleep at times while on shrooms (right?). They're great for chilling out and taking in good vibes.

Conehead has tried NBOMe, which he said he liked, except for the excessive sweating and high BP. I do agree with you that mushrooms or other tryptamines would be more ideal than phenethylamines, which are known to have stimulative effects.

sdesu
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: roguecherokee on June 11, 2012, 05:41 am
Exactly, that why I said traditional psychedelics shouldn't be much of a problem.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: Healthybar on June 11, 2012, 02:37 pm
I take 10mg propranolol when I trip on LSD. It helps prevent racing heart /anxiety.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: Meister on June 11, 2012, 04:10 pm
Shrooms would be your best bet but honestly I prefer the side effects of LSD or nbome over the nausea and stomach aches I get from shrooms.

I don't get a speedy feeling from nbome at all, but I have yet to take it without smoking weed during the trip either, perhaps that's another alternative.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: Bob Arctor on June 12, 2012, 07:59 am
shrooms or 4-aco-dmt for sure. At least in normal doses (18-28mg.) 4-aco-dmt feels very mild on the body.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: alllove on June 12, 2012, 08:06 am
I agree with trying shrooms or LSD. DMT spikes your BP like no other albeit for just 10-15.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: conehead on June 13, 2012, 02:57 am
Shrooms are out because of the physical side effects. LSD is out because of the ridiculous price.

4-Ac0-DMT was on my radar. I've read about cardio side effects with overdoses, but maybe that's only for over doses. I am going to get 100mg and see how she does.

2mg is a reasonable dose of duderug's 2ci-nbome. I get very little visuals on 1mg. I still get the same cardio effects when I took 1 or took 4. When I took more than 1-2, I would always offset the dosing by an hour or so to limit the effects.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: weedsaves on June 13, 2012, 07:14 am
I agree with trying shrooms or LSD. DMT spikes your BP like no other albeit for just 10-15.

Scary. Do you have the source for this?

OP I would suggest shrooms and ketamine combined. It is amazing how a moderate dose of K amplifies the psychedelic effects of shrooms and alleviates some of the tension and weirdness. I have had some friends say they feel like they are having cardiac issues on LSD. And the simple fact that LSD lasts twice as long as shrooms would likely double the damage if the acid did cause your BP to spike. Whatever you decide to do, I would also have plenty of your benzo of choice readily available in case your BP does spike so you can calm yourself.

Let us know how it goes. Have a safe, fun trip!
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: conehead on June 13, 2012, 09:25 pm
I agree with trying shrooms or LSD. DMT spikes your BP like no other albeit for just 10-15.

Scary. Do you have the source for this?

OP I would suggest shrooms and ketamine combined. It is amazing how a moderate dose of K amplifies the psychedelic effects of shrooms and alleviates some of the tension and weirdness. I have had some friends say they feel like they are having cardiac issues on LSD. And the simple fact that LSD lasts twice as long as shrooms would likely double the damage if the acid did cause your BP to spike. Whatever you decide to do, I would also have plenty of your benzo of choice readily available in case your BP does spike so you can calm yourself.

Let us know how it goes. Have a safe, fun trip!

I do not like ketamine at all. I have a blood pressure check kit that I use often. I have not taken LSD in 15 years or so, so no idea what it does to my BP.

I have never had a bad trip, ever. I've tripped many times (maybe ~60 times?) The last time I did 25i-nbome, I was trying to control my closed eye visuals and ended up seeing some flesh getting sliced open with razors. I opened my eyes and all was back to ok. The first time I dosed, I took 2mg right off the bat and my BP spiked to ~190/110 IIRC. Super high and unsafe. Unless it went insane (>220/130) I would not go to the hospitol. Otherwise I take a "if I die, I die. no need to freak out about it" approach to trips. When I deal with cops, I don't let myself get upset, I just think "If I go to jail, I go to jail, no worries." I've never gone to jail :)

Anyways, thanks for the input. I ordered some 4-Ac0-DMT and will be trying that and will report back. I'm going to try a 15mg dose (with a 5mg booster ~T+2hrs if I feel like I can handle it.) Hopefully it does not effect my BP and the trip is good enough for me. I've never had a proper shroom trip. We smoked shrooms, and I dosed 2g of some weak shrooms once. I never got any visuals.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: sdesu on June 14, 2012, 03:37 am
I'd stick with LSD buddy.

I don't mean to be rude, but have you not read a single post on the first page?
LSD or other tryptamines are not a good idea for someone with hypertension.
He also hasn't done LSD in 10+ years, so he's probably not in the best condition to go on a 8+ hour long trip.
Conehead may feel otherwise, which is totally fine. It's his body.

sdesu

Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: Delta11 on June 14, 2012, 07:53 pm
Steer clear of shrooms, they do in fact speed up your BP and this can lead to a full on anxiety attack. So far my favorite psychedelic that is very gentle is 2c-i. Try a 13-15mg dose and see how you like it.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: conehead on June 15, 2012, 01:16 am
I don't have anxiety attacks under any substance. I'm mentally capable of any experience, even 10-12 hour LSD trips. I *will* be getting some LSD from a vender when I can afford ~10 hits of ~200ug. Hopefully it won't effect my BP too much.

Shrooms are out because of the nausea. I just can't get down on a drug that makes me chuck. Alcohol included.

I may try 2CI, but 2ci-nbome causes my BP to spike hard. I'm thinking 2CI would do the same. Maybe not. It did not effect my friend' BP AT ALL and he took 4-6MG his first time. (hard to know exactly how much. I think the last 2 hits were wasted as they were taken too far into the trip.)

I am waiting on some 4-AcO-DMT. I hope it's the wonder-drug I'm looking for. After that I'm saving up for some good LSD. Hopefully the scammers all die in a rape factory in hell by the time I'm ready to order.

Buying bitcoins anonymously is difficult for me... I got some via a service (I forget the address) where you western union money to NYC and he sends you bitcoins, but he charged ~$6.5US per BTC which was ~1.5 over the going rate.

I'm definitely interested in any reputable anonymous services that offer more reasonable rates without such a huge profit margin.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: alllove on June 15, 2012, 08:46 pm
I agree with trying shrooms or LSD. DMT spikes your BP like no other albeit for just 10-15.

Scary. Do you have the source for this?

OP I would suggest shrooms and ketamine combined. It is amazing how a moderate dose of K amplifies the psychedelic effects of shrooms and alleviates some of the tension and weirdness. I have had some friends say they feel like they are having cardiac issues on LSD. And the simple fact that LSD lasts twice as long as shrooms would likely double the damage if the acid did cause your BP to spike. Whatever you decide to do, I would also have plenty of your benzo of choice readily available in case your BP does spike so you can calm yourself.

Let us know how it goes. Have a safe, fun trip!
I think I heard on the documentary "The Spirit Molecule" and it also causes your heart rate to race but only for those 10-15 min where you're in wonderland lol. I may be wrong, I could be remembering it incorrectly so correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: Bob Arctor on June 16, 2012, 01:44 am
well, i'm curious how you will like it. me and all my friends i shared with agreed, that 4-aco-dmt is the best psychedelic ever, and yet it doesn't seem to have a mainstream appeal. would be interesting to know why..
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: conehead on June 17, 2012, 11:17 am
well, i'm curious how you will like it. me and all my friends i shared with agreed, that 4-aco-dmt is the best psychedelic ever, and yet it doesn't seem to have a mainstream appeal. would be interesting to know why..

Well hopefully I will know soon. I am waiting on 100mg of 4-AcO-DMT to arrive. If it does not effect my BP and is a pleasant experience I will order a large quantity to sit on.

I've also decided to try DMT. I don't think DMT is a drug I'm going to want to spend a lot of time on, but i'm hoping 4-AcO-DMT is.

How would you describe side effects of 4-AcO-DMT? I don't mind a body buzz, and I don't mind a head trip, but I would prefer something that has less of those and more visual halucinations. If it were not for the body effects of 2ci-nbome, I would love that stuff. I would still like to do it 1 more time as a daylight trip and get in a pool and float about.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: conehead on June 20, 2012, 06:16 pm
I dosed quite a lot of 4-AcO-DMT yesterday with little effects. I've gone ~2 weeks since my 2ci-nbome experiences and should have no tolerance.

T+0hr = 15mg mixed in juice, and drank on an empty stomach
T+.5hr = racey effects. heart rate goes up
T+1hr = slight open eye visuals. closed eye visuals were weak. Minor thought shifting but I easily came back to "it's just a drug", "it's just a movie" (we dosed right as the movie "Promethius" 3d started. not a terrible movie btw.)
T+1.5hr = face melting/cartoon-like visuals but quick and fleeting.
T+2hr = fading effects, very shroom like perspective distortion. No more mental sillyness, but I did find it easy to find words I was looking for and ended up taking pauses in my speech occasionally to remember words such as "costume".
T+3hr = 10mg snorted
T+3.5hr = 15mg drunk

There were some minor visual effects ~T+5hr but it was very very weak. I can only assume that a tolerance effect had already come into play. I still have 30mg which is already dissolved in water. I am going to drink the entire thing early one morning and see what happens. I'll be recording heart rate and bp then. I couldn't do that in the movies. My vendor has a great rep, so certainly the 4-AcO-DMT isn't adulterated/weakened purposefully. Perhaps it was contaminated in some way? I could take the 30mg tomorrow morning, but I think it would probably be a better idea to wait a week or more.

Any input? Thanks!
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: sdesu on June 20, 2012, 06:53 pm
I'm glad you found the 4-AcO pleasurable! Having said that, it's always better to wait before doing another session; especially since you took a total of 40mgs your first session and didn't notice any additional effects after the two additional doses at 3 and 3.5 hours by the 5 hour mark.

best of luck,

sdesu

Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: Tyl3rdurden on June 20, 2012, 11:50 pm
I would just like to say that 2-6 mg is a ridiculously high dose range for that stuff. the only reason someone should take that much 25i-nbome is if they are dosing too often because of its extreme tolerance effects. 0.5 - 1.5 mg is a much more appropriate dosage.
spot on, this is way too high a dose, 600 ug for 25i and 350 ug for 25c is plenty visual enough !
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: conehead on June 21, 2012, 02:50 am
I would just like to say that 2-6 mg is a ridiculously high dose range for that stuff. the only reason someone should take that much 25i-nbome is if they are dosing too often because of its extreme tolerance effects. 0.5 - 1.5 mg is a much more appropriate dosage.
spot on, this is way too high a dose, 600 ug for 25i and 350 ug for 25c is plenty visual enough !

Maybe so, but the ones I got from duderugs were suppose to be 1mg, and I got little visuals on 1mg. barely anything at all. 1mg was very strong visuals. I get the same cardio effects on 2mg as I do on 5mg. I only took 5-6mg once.

Everyone is different. My friend gets no visuals until 4mg.

I took 35mg, not 40mg. I snorted 5mg not 10mg. oops.

Yes I'm going to wait at least 1 week, maybe 2 weeks before I dose again, and it will be the entire 30mg at once, by myself at home, and maybe I can have some sort of breakthrough experience on it.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: dandan321 on June 21, 2012, 03:12 am
I've also decided to try DMT. I don't think DMT is a drug I'm going to want to spend a lot of time on, but i'm hoping 4-AcO-DMT is.

Hyperspace is calling... 8)
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: conehead on June 21, 2012, 03:30 am
I've also decided to try DMT. I don't think DMT is a drug I'm going to want to spend a lot of time on, but i'm hoping 4-AcO-DMT is.

Hyperspace is calling... 8)

Yeah. I'm thinking about doing DOC once as well. I don't want to get a bunch of it though. I might message one of the multi-chemical vendors and get a package put together with ~2.5mg of DOC, 2mg of 2ci-nbome (I want to daytime trip once on it), and a bunch of DMT.

I should note that the 2ci-nbome was complexed (HPBCD?) to be orally active. I read that 1mg was a good dose, 2mg was a strong dose, and higher was possible.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: kingpin on June 21, 2012, 09:56 am
I too have BP issues and coke seems to do me in, but lsd I seem fine, you can kind of tell when your bp is up you can just feel it. If i was to try and measure my bp while under anything I would freak out and it would go up sky high just by me thinking about it. I was thinking about shrooms this weekend but now im not sure, never used shrooms but lsd only a few times.

What about meth would it raise bp a lot?
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: sdesu on June 21, 2012, 05:52 pm
I too have BP issues and coke seems to do me in, but lsd I seem fine, you can kind of tell when your bp is up you can just feel it. If i was to try and measure my bp while under anything I would freak out and it would go up sky high just by me thinking about it. I was thinking about shrooms this weekend but now im not sure, never used shrooms but lsd only a few times.

What about meth would it raise bp a lot?

Any strong amphetamine (MDMA, meth, cocaine, ect.) is going to cause your BP to increase.
Mushrooms, or most tryptamines would be ideal, but there are other factors to consider.

If you have severe hypertension and are currently at the point of having to take antihypertensives (ACE inhibitors, ect) then stimulants/phenethylamines aren't really a good idea. Tryptamines may still be a risk, but usually aren't as much of a danger, per-se, as stims.

sdesu
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: Bob Arctor on June 22, 2012, 07:46 am
I dosed quite a lot of 4-AcO-DMT yesterday with little effects. I've gone ~2 weeks since my 2ci-nbome experiences and should have no tolerance.

Well, my doses ranged from 20mg. to 32mg. oral, and each experience was profound +++. I didn't notice any tolerance with a week break between trips. I shared 22mg. doses with three more people - two of them had best trip of their life and one barely felt anything (she didn't take any drugs for at least two months, so no tolerance). I would guess some people are less sensitive to 4-aco-dmt, so increase your dose. Wait a week and take 35mg. on empty stomach. Don't quote me on that, but I think I read that snorting or vaping this stuff is less effective and pleasant than oral dosing. Rectal doses are twice as little, and people of Bluelight recommend taking it this way;)
Like sdesu said - stay away from phenethylamines (that includes DOC, I haven't tried it before, but people say it's very heavy on the body).
Good luck, and stay safe:)
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: conehead on June 22, 2012, 04:13 pm
Thanks for that info. I have ~32mg in water I'm going to take when I first wake up about 2 weeks from now. I want to have a daytime experience around my house, but might have a friend come get me for a movie after it's fading.

One thing I will note about yesterday and today. When I woke up yesterday I tooled around the house for a couple hours, but decided to ride my motorcycle. I made it 100 yards down the road and noticed a slight euphoria and intensity of visuals. Colors were bright, etc. It was very very mild so I decided to ride on instead of going home, and it faded to nothing. I also have been having very strong dreams and remembering them well.

Today I woke up and right as I first woke up, feeling like I woke immediately out of a dream, I had symptoms of HPPD. I had mild open eye static, and mild closed eye visuals. The visuals were weak, but they were clearly visual imagination type. I repeatedly saw a tire from the aspect of an ant, rolling to a stop near me, and then saw a tire from the top doing a burn out and taking off. There were flashes of other images as well. I went to the bathroom and from the toilet saw the tiles breathing a bit. I was considerably disturbed. I had breathing walls/tiles when I focused on them for years after I stopped taking LSD. It was very slight and only when I stared at them, but it was legitimately breathing.

I had considered futher experimenting with DOC and DMT (and one more 2ci-nbome experience) but I think I'm done after this next 4-aco-dmt dose. I don't want to risk my sanity or ending up with HPPD for a longer period. Hopefully it does not return tomorrow, because if it does I'll give away the 4-aco-dmt I still have to a friend.

Thanks for the advice guys.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: jackOffAllTrades on June 22, 2012, 05:09 pm
I take 10mg propranolol when I trip on LSD. It helps prevent racing heart /anxiety.
This is interesting!!

My girl has a tendency to fall into severe anxiety-loops on certain psychedelics (tryptamines in particular), but she can handle the phen's pretty well (big fan of 2C-I).

I read that benzos should be used only as an "abort" pill, as they mute the headspace too much. I haven't read all that much about combining beta blockers + psychedelics, but I think it would be the PERFECT way to introduce her to lucy, even if it tones down the weird factor a bit.

Any more info on this?
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: conehead on June 25, 2012, 11:21 pm
With my recent (and now fading) HPPD experiences, I've decided to cut short my "summer of trips". I'm too scared I'm going to fry something. I really like having normal vision when I'm sober.

I have some DMT on the way and I'm going to try that out. I decided not to do any more acid. I did acid several times when I was younger and I really feel I don't need to play with that headtrip anymore. The one thing I did not get much of from acid was intense visuals. It was almost purely a headtrip for me. Visuals were enhanced, but not intense. I never took very much of it, and it was street acid, so who knows what the quality/dose was. I feel like I checked off insane visual distortion from my list with 2ci-nbome. It's quite nice for that. DMT will give me my hyperspace insanity/death trip experience, and I think that will be it for me. No need to press my luck! :)

I do have some 2ci-nbome from a new vendor coming (free trial) and I will write a detailed report in his thread on the forum. I can only compare it to duderug's 2ci-nbome, but I've done 2ci-nbome many times so I should be able to gauge the dose at least and compare the sensation from the complexing agent.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: sdesu on June 26, 2012, 01:00 am
With my recent (and now fading) HPPD experiences, I've decided to cut short my "summer of trips". I'm too scared I'm going to fry something. I really like having normal vision when I'm sober.

I have some DMT on the way and I'm going to try that out. I decided not to do any more acid. I did acid several times when I was younger and I really feel I don't need to play with that headtrip anymore. The one thing I did not get much of from acid was intense visuals. It was almost purely a headtrip for me. Visuals were enhanced, but not intense. I never took very much of it, and it was street acid, so who knows what the quality/dose was. I feel like I checked off insane visual distortion from my list with 2ci-nbome. It's quite nice for that. DMT will give me my hyperspace insanity/death trip experience, and I think that will be it for me. No need to press my luck! :)

I do have some 2ci-nbome from a new vendor coming (free trial) and I will write a detailed report in his thread on the forum. I can only compare it to duderug's 2ci-nbome, but I've done 2ci-nbome many times so I should be able to gauge the dose at least and compare the sensation from the complexing agent.

Sorry to hear about your experience. I would definitely wait a while, or stopping completely. HPPD can be very overwhelming and is not something one should easily disregard.

sdesu
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: conehead on June 26, 2012, 02:29 am
Yes I should have, but I believe I just had a moment. heh

I just ingested 32mg of 4-AcO-DMT. 6 days ago I put it into a jar of water, and as little as 2 days ago, it was clear and smell-less.

Today I decided to drink it (just now actually) and found the jar had turned slightly green. It was a clear and clean jar before I sealed it. No idea what the green could be other than algae.

I drank it. Hopefully I live. Wish me luck. :)
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: wretched on June 26, 2012, 03:29 am
good luck!
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: conehead on June 26, 2012, 03:40 am
ABORT ABORT!! ALL CAPS TOTALLY APPROPRIATE! :)

do not do this. I took some sleeping pills. Any doubt I had about my substance being weak is GONE, but doubling the dose was insane and stupid. Dumb newbie move.


This stuff comes on in waves. I took some sleeping pills. I am not overdosing on the pills too. Don't want to make matter infinitely worse. haha

Going to tell the other part. g'night.
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: wretched on June 26, 2012, 03:46 am
relax, brother, just time for a change of scenery
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: conehead on June 26, 2012, 08:36 pm
Told the other "part", my partner, that I took too much and was having a bad time. Got some cuddles. The sleeping pills kicked in which made me feel drunk as shit. I took 1 diphenhydromine HCL 25mg and finally got to sleep.

It came in waves. One second I thought I was sobering up and the next I was right back into it. I'm glad it wasn't long lived. I got to sleep about 2-3 hours after dosing.

Completely unpleasant way to spend an evening. I would recommend people stay at the 20mg level. 32 was insane. Not sure what effect leaving it in water for a week had, but it probably is not a good idea.

I did not bother to check my BP on it because my heart was racing so fast that I knew it was jacked and wouldn't help things. Clearly it can jack your cardio system.

I'm not sure if I'm going to do DMT or not now. It was the last checkmark on my summer's list of substances. Maybe I'll put it away for a rainy day and wait for the right time with the right person.

Thanks
Title: Re: Psychedelics for the feint of heart? (hypertension-free)
Post by: kingpin on June 28, 2012, 09:28 am
How old are you conehead? how much do you weigh? What was your bp before meds and what is under meds?