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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: ketket on August 11, 2013, 04:53 pm
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A few days ago I purchased 10G ketamine from a guy called Ketman (marcel) I was asked to FE because I was a first time buyer (friends refereed me to marcel) and it was supposed to show up saturday (yesterday) but didnt, why could that be? I live in Denmark by the way.
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Never FE early unless your willing to lose that money. I've got burnt on my 3rd deal and it was all in escrow but the Vendor basically burned me and saying he sent but never did. My point is there's way too many vendors on SR that if one won't accept you cause of low stats then move on to the next one. I just went with that vendor cause his prices were cheaper but in the end it isn't if you never get product.
You might pay a little more but you'll have a better position by keeping the whole deal in escrow and if anything goes bad it can be resolved in resolution center. I guess at this point all you can do is contact the vendor or maybe ask your friend that you ref you to him to contact him.
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Just because you didn't get it yesterday doesn't mean he scammed you. Depends on where he's located, as well. Could just be very backed up. Rule of thumb is to never FE, though. & now you know why for obvious reasons. I'd give it another day or two. If by then it hasn't come and the vendor hasn't contacted you back, try resolving it
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He can't resolve if it comes to that because that's not even an option that he can select as once you finalize the deal is done. Hopefully it's just a delay in the mail or the vendor forgot to ship it till later.
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Hopefully so. I don't know why someone would want to start ruining their vendor reputation, either. Is it a domestic shipment? Could just be taking longer if it's going through customs and other parcel services
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Thanks for the reply guys, he is shipping from Germany to Denmark and yeah I was dumb and I really can't afford another order atm if im out $360 just because it either didnt get sent or won't show up, hes rated in top 3% of the vendors tho with over 300 transactions and 99.6% feedback.
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More than likely a delay in customs if he's from Germany. Hopefully they didn't get it.
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Yeah its just, theres not really that much control from germany to Denmark so thats kinda odd. Should I count on recieving the package tomorrow or what should I do?
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Yeah, if it was supposed to come yesterday then it should be there either tomorrow or maybe even the day after
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Should I count on it getting here or should I count on it not getting here either because I FE'd and was a first timer and he just didnt sent.
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That's like the vendor that scammed me.. he had over 300 transactions and 99.9% rating over 3 years. Fucker still scammed me just because I was mouthy with him from the beginning actually he was just a sarcastic prink when I asked some questions as it was only my 3rd order and $300 is a lot to me anyways. But ya wait a couple more days and if it doesn't show then talk to the vendor but be super nice just in case he didn't send it or is trying to scam you then if you get it you can tell him to suck it, lol.
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Well he was friendly and communicating went quite nicely at first and he said that he did send the package etc and he gets tonnes of good reviews everyday so thats why I went with him, anyone of you ever dealt with him?
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/dddf0aaec5
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Thanks for the reply guys, he is shipping from Germany to Denmark and yeah I was dumb and I really can't afford another order atm if im out $360 just because it either didnt get sent or won't show up, hes rated in top 3% of the vendors tho with over 300 transactions and 99.6% feedback.
Honestly, I've realized that feedback and ratings have to be taken with huuuuge huuuuge grains of salt. If a vendor requires a FE, people will give 5 out of 5 automatically and he'll have very high rating even if he selectively scams. I've also seen way too many people leave feedback that say something like "never came and vendor isn't answering, but leaving a 5/5 to not damage my stats." Point is, people are really really hesitant to give anything less than 5 and it's making the rating systems pretty useless.
moral of the story: don't finalize early and give rating true to the actual experience
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I can't say that I have ever dealt with him. I'm going through all his feedbacks and it seems like a lot of canned responses but overall ppl seem happy and get the product. Some reviews say long transport and one review says:
Product received within 48 hours but not crystal as advertised, powder instead which is definitely cut - clearly selective scamming going on here to new buyers with less than 10 feedback, watch out for this seller - you have been warned
That kinda concerns me but can't jump to a conclusion based on one review
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Oh well, prolly got scammed. :'(
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Give it a few days. You never know with the mail system.
Keep us posted as to what goes down.
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Indeed, don't assume the worst. Especially if you only ordered it a few days ago.
14 days is a common waiting period. ;)
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I just hate being out 3 BTC because I went and FE'd and he maybe though I would not bother to inform people but who knows it might show up I am a very beliving person but I do have my doubts aswell.
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I just hate being out 3 BTC because I went and FE'd and he maybe though I would not bother to inform people but who knows it might show up I am a very beliving person but I do have my doubts aswell.
3 btc is a lot of money. Hopefully you'll get some back if the stuff doesn't come!
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Its a very trusting thing, considering the nature of the site ;)
If you find a vendor that is reliable, stick with them. They tend to reward loyal customers, but you also have the piece of mind that their products actually arrive ;)
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Yeah 3 BTC is all the money I had spare for the month and I doubt he will return anything even if it doesent show up, he states that the burden lies with the new customers if a package doesent show up :s
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If you do indeed get burned, maybe try and get a few smaller purchases completed first to build your reputation as a reliable buyer. 8)
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Well I though people were trusted when they had a lot of rep.
I seriously can't afford to lose the 3 BTC I won't know what to tell my wife I needed the ketamine to live out the month.
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Well I though people were trusted when they had a lot of rep.
I seriously can't afford to lose the 3 BTC I won't know what to tell my wife I needed the ketamine to live out the month.
Some vendors will offer you a partial refund for a 5 out of 5. I don't know if you should suggest that, though. Might just piss him off.
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I would like other peoples openions aswell, and could someone tell me how I could edit my review since I already FE'd I am fairly new.
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I'd wait before changing your review. Give it at least a week.
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Thanks for the reply guys, he is shipping from Germany to Denmark and yeah I was dumb and I really can't afford another order atm if im out $360 just because it either didnt get sent or won't show up, hes rated in top 3% of the vendors tho with over 300 transactions and 99.6% feedback.
Honestly, I've realized that feedback and ratings have to be taken with huuuuge huuuuge grains of salt. If a vendor requires a FE, people will give 5 out of 5 automatically and he'll have very high rating even if he selectively scams. I've also seen way too many people leave feedback that say something like "never came and vendor isn't answering, but leaving a 5/5 to not damage my stats." Point is, people are really really hesitant to give anything less than 5 and it's making the rating systems pretty useless.
moral of the story: don't finalize early and give rating true to the actual experience
How does leaving a lower review damage the reviewers stats? That makes no sense.
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Go to account at the top, then next screen on the right click View Feedback and it will show all the feedback you have written and you can edit there.
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You weren't scammed, at least we can't say yet. Shipping (especially overseas!) can be a very big gamble. I've had packages arrive domestically in the USA first class in 3 weeks, and I've had Canadian packages arrive first class in 4 days. There's so many variables, just wait a little while longer. I'm sure you're going to be fine, good luck. :)
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Thanks, I would still like to hear the voice of some of the other 300 people he have traded with just to be sure to sleep well tonight!
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Thanks for the reply guys, he is shipping from Germany to Denmark and yeah I was dumb and I really can't afford another order atm if im out $360 just because it either didnt get sent or won't show up, hes rated in top 3% of the vendors tho with over 300 transactions and 99.6% feedback.
Honestly, I've realized that feedback and ratings have to be taken with huuuuge huuuuge grains of salt. If a vendor requires a FE, people will give 5 out of 5 automatically and he'll have very high rating even if he selectively scams. I've also seen way too many people leave feedback that say something like "never came and vendor isn't answering, but leaving a 5/5 to not damage my stats." Point is, people are really really hesitant to give anything less than 5 and it's making the rating systems pretty useless.
moral of the story: don't finalize early and give rating true to the actual experience
How does leaving a lower review damage the reviewers stats? That makes no sense.
That's a good point, but I quoted it word for word. I'm assuming they meant they weren't going to resolution, even though they had no product and hadn't heard from the dealer because they didn't want shitty buyer stats. Or maybe they were worried about getting blacklisted
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Im so bummed out about this whole situation, wish it woulda just came yesterday as stated.
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Did he actually say it would come saturday? Or were you guessing based on his estimated arrivals? Don't forget sometimes the ETA is in business days, which don't include the weekend or holidays. I also saw he only requires FE for certain amounts for new buyers. You'd have done better to start off small.
You do sound like you're making yourself anxious. Here's his review thread if you haven't read it:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=55706.585
Tell us how it goes
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I will definately post in here again tomorrow in case its still not showing up!
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ASDFGH
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Don't just spam please.
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let us know if it shows
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I will no problem!!
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Any other people got anything to say?
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Any help?
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Nobody? Package still didnt show up today.
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yo, i've dealt with marcel before and found him to be a stand-up guy selling a serious product, i highly doubt he would stake his reputation on scamming you, give it some time, i've ordered express from Spain to Ireland express which is supposed to take 3 days but took over 14, sometimes the post is just a bit slow and theres nothing you can do about it, i'd give it longer before you go shouting scam, if it hasnt arrived in like 3 weeks within europe then i think you can safely say it won't, also have you attempted to message marcel? he may still provide a refund even though you fe'd, finally not to be captain hindsight but that was a pretty stupid thing to do if that was all your spare cash, in the how-to guide of silkroad they state quite clearly that you should start small and work up, test your address and shipping before going balls deep, maybe ordering one gram as a starter would have been a good idea, getting the FE out of the way on a minimal financial risk order.
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slow down and let the sr staff deal with it
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yo, i've dealt with marcel before and found him to be a stand-up guy selling a serious product, i highly doubt he would stake his reputation on scamming you, give it some time, i've ordered express from Spain to Ireland express which is supposed to take 3 days but took over 14, sometimes the post is just a bit slow and theres nothing you can do about it, i'd give it longer before you go shouting scam, if it hasnt arrived in like 3 weeks within europe then i think you can safely say it won't, also have you attempted to message marcel? he may still provide a refund even though you fe'd, finally not to be captain hindsight but that was a pretty stupid thing to do if that was all your spare cash, in the how-to guide of silkroad they state quite clearly that you should start small and work up, test your address and shipping before going balls deep, maybe ordering one gram as a starter would have been a good idea, getting the FE out of the way on a minimal financial risk order.
Thanks, i realise now that I should probably of started lower but yeah this is an answer like the one I was looking for I will wait a few days then try to contact marcel.
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no worries, good luck on the road, waiting for packages is something u'll have to get used to, sucks at times especially when they take longer than they should, i've been sitting in my house for about 5 days straight waiting for packages and the wind would blow the mail-flap and i'd hear it up stairs and come running down, only to realize that the wind was fucking with me, the cheeky bastard.
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no worries, good luck on the road, waiting for packages is something u'll have to get used to, sucks at times especially when they take longer than they should, i've been sitting in my house for about 5 days straight waiting for packages and the wind would blow the mail-flap and i'd hear it up stairs and come running down, only to realize that the wind was fucking with me, the cheeky bastard.
Yeah the same thing happend to me, I have suggest Marcel that if the package does not show up at all that he would eventually want to give me a partial refund of some sort but I don't think he will be much for it after all im just a noob with no feedback etc so why would he care.
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It may suprise you to find out that not everyone on the road is out to scam you, I'd say most sellers have been a buyer at some point or know exactly how you feel.
Sellers who care enough to have a good reputation usually do take care to provide good service, to regular customers and newbies alike ;) Be patient :D
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I know most people are not out to scam, but yeah you know how it is.
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I am hoping he will read my messages soon so we can get this cleared up.
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He has now responded to one of my messages ill keep you updated.
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Im still looking for peoples help!
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right, so what day did it say sent on? and where do you live? and when did it say you would have the order by? by the sound of things the only help you need is in relaxing and stopping scratching, hounding after your k order, like if its been less than 10 days you really should just chill and wait to see how it pans out, otherwise ask Marcel how long before he issues a refund after an order and then wait till that time and even then its down to marcel being sound for you to get anything back but yeah theres not really much anyone can help you with otherwise, even going to mods won't do shit they will just say tough shit for finalizing early
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I talked to Marcel and he won't give me any kind of refund apparently.
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well then thats an unfortunate lesson then my friend, look at it from Marcels opinion, the very reason he asks for FE from new accounts is cause of people setting up numerous new accounts to scam vendors, although you still haven't answered, how long has it bee since it was shipped?
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It has been 5 days since it was shipped. Germany to Denmark.
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Have you messaged him? If he doesnt reply then it was probably a scam, just give it a couple days to be sure though.
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Yes I did message him, and no he won't offer a refund because I FE'd on his request even with 99% feedback and 300+ transactions I would though people would be more fair on the road, but yeah maybe it can still come.
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Thanks for the reply guys, he is shipping from Germany to Denmark and yeah I was dumb and I really can't afford another order atm if im out $360 just because it either didnt get sent or won't show up, hes rated in top 3% of the vendors tho with over 300 transactions and 99.6% feedback.
Honestly, I've realized that feedback and ratings have to be taken with huuuuge huuuuge grains of salt. If a vendor requires a FE, people will give 5 out of 5 automatically and he'll have very high rating even if he selectively scams. I've also seen way too many people leave feedback that say something like "never came and vendor isn't answering, but leaving a 5/5 to not damage my stats." Point is, people are really really hesitant to give anything less than 5 and it's making the rating systems pretty useless.
moral of the story: don't finalize early and give rating true to the actual experience
I think most people will look through at least some of the ratings.
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I looked through all the feedback but gained no mistrust.
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not looking good
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Damn, I did not hope for people to say that.
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I think you should wait at least a week before you do anything else. I mean if it showed up tomorrow wouldn't you feel like an ass for bashing him?
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Bet it shows up by wednesday - how much!
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Yes I would feel like an ass but how can I even be sure he shipped the product he keeps saying that its ME that could be a scammer ill qoute him here.
"Yes you could be a scammer. It is the most common type of scamming on SR: A person sets up a new account, buys a product, pretends it didn't arrive and demands a refund. Then they do it again from another account. That's why my rules exist for new buyers. That's why all vendors have similar rules."
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I guess ill take it as a loss for now.
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Anyone got anything to say about this?
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Anyone know any other very reliable ket sellers?
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Anyone?
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I got scammed on my first purchase :(
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Sucks man, I think I got scammed too..
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If it makes you feel any better, mine was supposed to come in three days and it's been 15! He messaged me asking for five more days, as if it would make a difference.
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If it makes you feel any better, mine was supposed to come in three days and it's been 15! He messaged me asking for five more days, as if it would make a difference.
you'd be surprised, it could show up yet
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wheresdapcp
who scammed you?
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It still havent shown up and as I FE'd free money for him.
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Maybe you scammed him or it just got lost in the mail
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Didnt get my order, GG 3 BTC.
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That sucked. I'm new here myself, and placed to orders two week ago. One was put in transit right away, and still hasn't showed up (blotters). It's from a star vendor, so I still have faith it will come. I don't think I was scammed, and won't raise hell on the forums just yet, I'll give him another week. ;)
The other order was put in transit after a couple of days, but then it was in my mailbox very soon. Being new here, I'm still a bit sceptic and worried of being scammed.
Guess I'll loosen up after a few more orders.
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Well im positive my order won't show up, so yeah.
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Anyone else had similar experiences when they were new?
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my first order , 1 week already, guess i have to wait a little more. how does it work?, if i dont finalize it i can get my money back right?
the term FE you use stands for finalize?
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FE stands for "Finalize early" which means you release the funds to the vendor before you recieve the item, you should NOT do that. Thats how I got scammed.
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ah okay , no , both were not finalized and the suppliers didnt ask me to.
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That sucked. I'm new here myself, and placed to orders two week ago. One was put in transit right away, and still hasn't showed up (blotters). It's from a star vendor, so I still have faith it will come. I don't think I was scammed, and won't raise hell on the forums just yet, I'll give him another week. ;)
The other order was put in transit after a couple of days, but then it was in my mailbox very soon. Being new here, I'm still a bit sceptic and worried of being scammed.
Guess I'll loosen up after a few more orders.
Was it HollandOnline? I actually thought this was my post because the same thing happened to me. I didn't finalize early, though.
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I can only relate my experience with MarcelKetman, I ordered 2g from him, it arrived crushed, and I figured it had been cut, whatever, live and learn.
Did a regent test, its passed with flying colors, doled myself out 2 nice big rails, maybe .1 to .15 total, because I expected it to have been cut.
Yeah, I kholed myself within minutes.
I was happy with his product and the only better ive had off the road was White Shark who is out of stock right now.
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I'm a newbie as well; I placed 2 orders about 18 days ago, and the first one came in days with no problem. The second one, blotters, have yet to arrive (the vendor has been around a long time and has a great reputation). I am really hoping I didn't get scammed. I haven't given up on SR, but so far my trust in SR and the process has certainly been eroded, and I've been thinking of heading back to my old sources.
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In my experience MarcelKetman's been a pretty standup vendor. Hope you both can resolve it.
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No help whatsoever from the vendor, I am actually being accused of "scamming him" while this is obviously false as before I sent him any money I have never done any trades and he helped me through the whole process, worst experience that ive had in a long time, very unproffessional service considering its a 3BTC trade and its not that small money.
1/5 rating.
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If you bought product with me you can be assured that you will get it at a fair price and what was ordered.
see you soon
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I have used Marcelketman for some S+, Domestic shipping showed within 72 hours, I never FE'd him though, just bare in mind things get lost in the post, I had a 16kg parcel lost recently (no not drugs! lol).
I can only give you my review of marcel, and he deserved 5/5, I believe he has a fair few loyal customers, see it through for a bit longer yet friend, the mail would seem to be the likely cause of the problem.
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He might have loyal customers but I am certain that I have fallen a victim to selective scamming as I was new and dumb, lesson learned and will NEVER use again.
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Sorry to hear that ketket, Its a shame as In real life IMO, The ketamine game is about the most honest out there, i.e. good product, on weight, decent dealers etc. Nothing like the coke/h game.
Bare in mind the possible postal system error though, however, I can see your point of view and will think twice before using him again,
As a personal reccomendation, I would try the K queens or Technohippys K, they were both of excellent quality racemic, just like it used to be, took me back 10 years nearly!
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I am just glad to help, and yes I have been talking to Technohippy and I recieved very good customer help and he even offered to ship me a blotter for free! (DOB'S) just to see if it makes it here!
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I am a noob, so I may be speaking out of turn. But from perusing the forums I am getting the impression that it is always a better practice to purchase within your own country whenever possible. It seems to help cut down the variables. I wish I was more knowledgeable so I could offer better advice. Good luck and peace.
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Theres unfortunately not any ket vendors in my country atleast on SR
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B u m p - spread the word.
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i've lost around 450-600 usd over the years since march of 2012, either scammed by vendors (mercury44) and couple other selective scammers
or lost packages (juergan2001) (legitimate vendor)
but all in all i've learned from my mistakes and its been smooth since
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@FlamingMind I'd say it is a safer route to order from your domestic country vendors, as you have more on your side that it hasn't got lost via shipping
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received my package from TechnoHippy, still no sign of the ket that I ordered when I started this thread tho.
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NEVER FE!
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yo, was you order shipped on July 22nd by any chance?
could still show, to quote Marcel
"07/08 - Just a heads up to any kids sitting in the resolution centre who's packages were sent on July 22. For some unknown reason, there have been massive delays with that mailout. I keep giving up hope, thinking I've been the victim of a large intercept but then low and behold one shows up. 100g turned up to Denmark today (it usually takes 3 days Germany to Denmark!!) and 5g to the USA yesterday. So basically sit tight for now and hopefully your pack will EVENTUALLY arrive. Apologies for the inconvenience. It's the weirdest thing that's happened to me in almost a year on SR. "
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It was not.
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Why judge if you don't know what happened? You will never know if he send it, if customs got it, if it got lost, if the mailman had a great time with your Ketamine, you just do not know. So it is not fair to say you are scammed. He has a overall very good reputation, I hope I will ever have...
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Sure it can be lost or someone has stolen it, but it too can be selective scamming.
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It seems so hard for me to believe that Marcel is a selective scammer. I've done business with him a few times, always ordering a small amount, and he was great about replying and even helping me with an order when I messed up my PGP.
Not to mention, his product was fantastic each time.
Sorry to hear about this :/
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Id even be happy accepting a 25% refund tbh, as I FE'd and it was my first purchase but he helped me through the whole process but he won't even offer ANY kind of refund even when the amount purchased for was 3 BTC.....
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I feel like 3 btc is a bit of a risk for a first time buyer...maybe he selectively scammed you...but you were sloppy. I doubt he did and I plan to order from him anyway...and it probably won't be for 3 BTC.