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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: Internal Freedom on July 01, 2013, 04:26 pm
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Well, I used to be able to say that I never had a bad trip on DMT. Looks like I cant say that anymore.
I had taken MDMA the night before and the morning after taking it I figured that I would try for a DMT breakthrough. First I tried 50mg, got a nice body buzz and when I went to lay down, I got no visuals at all. Usually I can breakthrough off of 40-45 if I'm ready, so this was strange. After 15 minutes I got up and packed another hit of about 55-60mg. Same thing, body high and this time I got some extremely mild fractals and colorful lines appearing (Not full blown pictures. colors and life-forms appearing).
I was annoyed and wanted to breakthrough bad. Before packing my third hit I wondered if this was a good idea at all, I began to think I might have a bad trip or I might be wasting even more DMT, but I did it anyways.
Once I finished inhaling the third 60mg hit, I had a very strange body high wash over me. It felt like a normal DMT buzz but a little different, it felt like it wasn't supposed to be that way. I crashed on my bed and instead of having lots of colors appearing, my vision went entirely black and lots of dark red lines shot around. I was instantly hit with a wave of anxiety which I had never felt before on DMT, all I could think was "Oh fuck, please no, please no". A red goop (which looked like blood) started flowing down the black nothingness that I was seeing, and I forced myself to open my eyes so I didn't see anything.
I spent about 10 minutes lying on my bed waiting for the effects to go away, every time I closed my eyes I felt anxious and saw red and black everywhere. This happened about two weeks ago and I haven't done DMT since, it scared the shit out of me. Before that I had done DMT around 30 times and loved every single experience. I know that I shouldn't have kept taking it, BIG mistake and I definitely wont do that again. I have a feeling I couldn't breakthrough because of the MDMA the day before, something to do with the receptors or something.
I made this to warn people to go easy on the DMT, if you are even remotely worried about having a bad trip then don't do it. You set yourself up for a disaster.
Im going to try again in about an hour and see if everything goes smoothly. I really love DMT so I hope it was just one rouge experience.
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+1 Karma to you for sharing your experience with us!
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Peace,
ChemCat
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Did it work? :)
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Sorry to hear you had a bad time.
In future, listen to your intuition my friend. Also you were very probably exhausted on many levels after the mdma, which imo is entirely the wrong condition to be in for a dmt experience.
You can't fuck around with dmt, as you are now very aware of! Hopefully your tale will help others to avoid the same experience
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Wow..Scary experience! Also +1 from me for sharing.
Always wanted to try DMT, but when i read something like that ::)
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Was your anxiety about anything in particular? For example, did you feel like you were going to die?
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Wow..Scary experience! Also +1 from me for sharing.
Always wanted to try DMT, but when i read something like that ::)
If you like psychs don't be put off dmt by somebody having a bad trip
It's a rarity really and dmt is usually a wonderful experience
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Woah! Dont let this experience turn you off DMT.
DMT is by far my most favorite drug on the planet, I remember one sunny afternoon I smoked it in my room with a cool breeze flowing through the room. As soon as I broke through I saw the most vivid and extraordinary colors ever, and all I could think of was how much I enjoy life at that very moment in time and how beautiful everything is. I had done DMT over thirty times before having my first bad trip (this one), and it was because of my own ignorance that it even happened in the first place. I smoked over 200mg of DMT in under 20 minutes, where-as you would probably do 50mg and be good to not do it again for over an hour :P
@Slirp - No I didn't really feel like I was going to die. The minute I saw all the red appearing and the anxiety hit I IMMEDIATELY thought (Fuck, so this is what a bad trip is like). I was perfectly aware that I was having a bad trip as a result of the DMT and knew that in a few minutes I would be perfectly normal again. The only crappy part was the body high was NOT enjoyable anymore, I felt sick to my stomach and anxious along with seeing disturbing hallucinations every time I closed my eyes. The anxiety was more towards the fact that it even happened, I was upset that it was my first experience like that as I had hoped to never have a bad DMT trip.
Funny enough, after about 10 minutes when the visuals started to subside, I actually laughed at how stupid the situation was and how I could be so naive to think I could get away with that much DMT in such a short time. All that stuff about people saying to not "disappoint the elf spirits", is absolutely right.
If you piss them off, they'll fuck with your head. Don't abuse the spice
and uhhh... don't try to breakthrough the day after partying on MDMA.
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Glad yur ok m8 :)
hugs to ya!
ChemCat
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@Slirp - No I didn't really feel like I was going to die. The minute I saw all the red appearing and the anxiety hit I IMMEDIATELY thought (Fuck, so this is what a bad trip is like). I was perfectly aware that I was having a bad trip as a result of the DMT and knew that in a few minutes I would be perfectly normal again. The only crappy part was the body high was NOT enjoyable anymore, I felt sick to my stomach and anxious along with seeing disturbing hallucinations every time I closed my eyes. The anxiety was more towards the fact that it even happened, I was upset that it was my first experience like that as I had hoped to never have a bad DMT trip.
You may not have been consciously afraid of death, but you may have seen a vision of hell. Seeing black with red lines is a common vision of hell. In hell you are stuck in such a state for all eternity.
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You may not have been consciously afraid of death, but you may have seen a vision of hell. Seeing black with red lines is a common vision of hell. In hell you are stuck in such a state for all eternity.
Because, you know, you have actually been there (in hell) and returned so you know with 100% certainty, isn't it?
How the hell (excuse the pun) can you pretend to know what "hell" is like, if you are stuck in there all "eternity", or if an "hell" even exists? Even if you have a NDE it is not a proof because anyway you have not really completely died yet, "static" is still going on inside your body (and anyway people that can have recurrent NDEs usually say things that contradicts altogether the existence of an "hell" or "paradise" as in the bible).
NOBODY can be sure about these things, nobody (even people that have a vast experience on certain states of the mind), so don't pretend you are instead.
As for the OP, glad you were able to recover from that psychedelic crisis without consequences.
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You may not have been consciously afraid of death, but you may have seen a vision of hell. Seeing black with red lines is a common vision of hell. In hell you are stuck in such a state for all eternity.
Because, you know, you have actually been there (in hell) and returned so you know with 100% certainty, isn't it?
As for the OP, glad you were able to recover from that psychedelic crisis without consequences.
Because I have experienced Hell. There are two meanings of the word eternity -- a state extending indefinitely into the future, and a state unconditioned by time. The eternity of hell falls into the latter category.
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the mdma comedown. ugh..
glad your ok.
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It's the MDMA. it drops your serotonin levels to zero for a while. Aside from that I find the relation between serotonin and DMT substance quite interesting. They seem to work together and have similar properties. Gotta read up more on that! But I guess we shouldn't take something that depletes serotonin before a DMT trip. :P
I just received my DMT, but I'm still scared to take it. (first time) Mainly afraid that I will burn it or cough it up before inhaling everything resulting in a wasted try. :P
I'm on crystal meth at the moment, so I don't think I will do it in a few days. Does anyone know if DMT depletes your serotonin at all? I'll probably read up on that as well.
Glad you are ok. Good luck to you and everyone else. :)
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Because I have experienced Hell. There are two meanings of the word eternity -- a state extending indefinitely into the future, and a state unconditioned by time. The eternity of hell falls into the latter category.
You cannot have experienced "Hell" because you have not died yet. Since nobody else (apart Christ, but he is not an historical character and even if he would be, his story surely could not proven) have died then resurrected to tell us what it really happens when you COMPLETELY die, nobody can know if it exist an "hell" or not, if there's a life after death or not and similar things.
People can make hypothesis on their experiences, and the experience nearer to death is a NDE, but it is anyway NOT the same thing, neither remotely, so basing certainty on what it happens after death based on experiences made during life is nonsense.
What you are calling "Hell" is an inappropriate use of the term for the state you want to explain. Hell is a place (or state of being, depending on different theological point of views) that is described in the bible (the most know reference, but also in other mythologies, as the Greek one, i.e. Hades etc.) the state you talk about can either exist but it is not "Hell", you have called it such (probably to better convey the feelings etc.), but in so doing you have attributed to it a definite context (primarily mythological) that turns what you say (that you have experienced it) in nonsense and it turns every mention of that state in something well defined (so you have to take this in consideration).
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Does anyone know if DMT depletes your serotonin at all? I'll probably read up on that as well.
There are hypothesis made that an intense use of DMT can lower levels of MAO, but there are no sure scientific data on it yet.
Anyway if that's the case you just need to make a little break; MAO levels return to baseline after about 2 weeks.
As for MDMA: yes, MDMA and DMT is NOT a good mix, since MDMA depletes completely levels of serotonin and inhibits the enzyme responsible for producing more serotonin, tryptophan hydroxylase (TPH), and DMT is structurally analogous to serotonin (5-HT). I think that if you like both you have to decide or one or the other because it's very difficult to have the two to go fine together: the inhibition of TPH by MDMA is permanent, so the body must compensate by creating more and this restoration typically takes 1-3 months. So if you like MDMA you are usually waiting that time to roll again, hence renewing again the process and this naturally doesn't cope well with use of DMT.
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I have also had a bad trip my third time on DMT well i consider it bad compared to my other experiences with it anyway... the first time i broke through was one of the most amazing joyful experiences i have had in my life the only thing that really beats it is falling in love with someone and them loving you back okay so anyway the first time i set up schpongle - dmt to listen to on youtube and i had never heard the song before but had seen it in the youtube list when i was looking up dmt previously so i decided to save it for when i actually had my first dmt experience.
I pressed play on the song then used the sandwich method in a bong pulled it slowly and held it in as long as i could then i lay back on my bed and almost instantly i had a wave rush over me and patterns became to form all over my room i then closed my eyes and was in some kind of what i call circus world everything seemed to have a blue tint and i remember jack in the box type things with clown heads popping out of them this might sound a little bit weird or creepy to some but at the time i found it very enjoyable because i knew that it had worked next thing i knew i started hearing a voice and it was saying "welcome you made it we have been waiting for you" "you are special we are so happy you are here you have been chosen for this" pretty much at the same i was hearing this voice say extremely nice and comforting things to me i was being bombarded with images at an incredible speed it literally seemed like millions of images in a matter of seconds all sorts of things like landscapes, pyramids, mathematical equations, animals, flowers, people and many more things that i cant remember it was really quite incredible it was at this point that the compliments the voice was giving me about being special and being chosen made me feel like i was letting my ego get the best of me and then the voice said "everyone is special" "you are everything and everything is you" "you are you mother your father your brother your friends your enemies" this made me feel better and realise that i shouldnt let my ego control me i am special but so is everyone else for we are all connected and though we are many we are really just one.
The whole time this was going on the schpongle - dmt song was still playing in the background and at this point the voices stopped and i started listening to the music while still keeping my eyes closed and seeing geometric patterns this is where it got really weird but also really cool all of a sudden my body started moving in sync with the music and i was half laying on my bed but doing strange dance moves with my body and hands and even feet this for me was very stramge as i am not the type of person who dances i normally feel awkward and rather uncoordinated when it comes to dancing so its not something that i do but this was genuinely keeping exactly with the rhythm of the song and it was as if i knew the lyrics and the music by heart as it was playing but i had never even heard the song before so this is impossible.
As i was doing this strange dance of mine all of a sudden my entire body was filled with pure joy this is a feeling that i have never felt before in my entire life i literally felt like from head to toe every part of my being was as happy as it could be and i was so overcome by the feeling that tears started coming out of my eyes from the extreme amount of joy i felt and then i started laughing and all i could think was wow this is amazing to be honest i actually forget exactly what happened after that but this was pretty much when i started to come back to the real world and i sat on my bed with a feeling of accomplishment and a massive smile on my face as DMT had been something i had been wanting to use for a long time and not only did it live up to my expectations it far surpassed them i then wrote a comment on youtube but i have just decided i wont post that here as it could expose my identity.
My 2nd experience with DMT was also very enjoyable but to be honest i cant really remember any of it now.
Okay my 3rd experience was what i consider to be the bad trip and this time i was actually hesitant to take it i wasnt in the best place emotionally and i was basically taking it just to see if it could make me feel a bit happy for atleast a little while but i felt very reluctant to do it and basically talked myself into it even though i had a feeling that i should keep it for another time. Ok so i decided to go with the sandwich method again as it had worked for me so far and i pulled the cone then lay down on my bed again almost instantly i felt a pressure on my face and then i saw what i call the goddess she was much larger than a human and had a sort of aztec/mayan kind of appearance atleast thats how i perceived it to be anyway next thing i know she is sticking her fingers in to my face they were kind of stretching out and getting pointy as they pushed in to my face and i felt extreme pressure to the point where i had to open my eyes because it kind of freaked me out a little bit i then closed my eyes again and instantly she started pushing her finger in to my face and the pressure returned at this point something in my head told me that this was like a test and that if i couldnt pass the test then i wouldnt be able to breakthrough again so i simply lay there and let her stab me in the face the pressure increased and i did actually feel pain but it wasnt serious pain it was just enough to make you want to open your eyes and get it to stop still i persisted and then goddess dissapeared and the pressure stopped. I felt relieved but i was also curious as to where this "being"had gone i was now left with some fractals and geometric patterns the type of things you might see on mushrooms or LSD but this didnt last long and then i returned to the real world feeling quite strange and wondering why this dmt trip was so different from my first 2 i came to the conclusion that it was because i was hesitant and not in the best place and was simply using the DMT almost recreationally just to get a high and feel better whereas the other times especially the first time i was extremely excited and happy about using it and it was much more of a spiritual mission of discovery than simply wanting to get high.
I believe the DMT or whatever the place is that we go to on DMT is aware of our intentions when we use and the experience we have is a direct outcome of the intent we go in to it with but this is just how i feel about it i am definitely open to discussion on the subject and i may even change my own opinion after i use it again in the future.
Thanks for reading much love to all.
iiivision
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Woah! Dont let this experience turn you off DMT.
DMT is by far my most favorite drug on the planet, I remember one sunny afternoon I smoked it in my room with a cool breeze flowing through the room. As soon as I broke through I saw the most vivid and extraordinary colors ever, and all I could think of was how much I enjoy life at that very moment in time and how beautiful everything is. I had done DMT over thirty times before having my first bad trip (this one), and it was because of my own ignorance that it even happened in the first place. I smoked over 200mg of DMT in under 20 minutes, where-as you would probably do 50mg and be good to not do it again for over an hour :P
@Slirp - No I didn't really feel like I was going to die. The minute I saw all the red appearing and the anxiety hit I IMMEDIATELY thought (Fuck, so this is what a bad trip is like). I was perfectly aware that I was having a bad trip as a result of the DMT and knew that in a few minutes I would be perfectly normal again. The only crappy part was the body high was NOT enjoyable anymore, I felt sick to my stomach and anxious along with seeing disturbing hallucinations every time I closed my eyes. The anxiety was more towards the fact that it even happened, I was upset that it was my first experience like that as I had hoped to never have a bad DMT trip.
Funny enough, after about 10 minutes when the visuals started to subside, I actually laughed at how stupid the situation was and how I could be so naive to think I could get away with that much DMT in such a short time. All that stuff about people saying to not "disappoint the elf spirits", is absolutely right.
If you piss them off, they'll fuck with your head. Don't abuse the spice
and uhhh... don't try to breakthrough the day after partying on MDMA.
I actually recommend breaking through when you're under the influence of MDMA for a much more calm, spiritual, and tolerable break-through.
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You cannot have experienced "Hell" because you have not died yet.
I died more completely than you can imagine.
Since nobody else
Everyone has died before.
nobody can know
We know truth when we see it, as we know when we are awake that we are awake. The Maker of all things and all persons stands behind us, and casts his dread omniscience through us over things.
if it exist an "hell" or not, if there's a life after death or not and similar things.
the maker of all things showed me his infinite power. he showed me hell as a POSSIBILITY - how things could be if he had willed it. whether or not he actually sends people into this state permanently after death is another matter entirely. but he showed me what hell is.
that there is an afterlife i can no longer entertain any doubt. there is a depth in these moments of eternity which constrains me to ascribe more reality to it than to all other experiences. My experiences of heaven and hell are more real than my everyday experiences. I can no more doubt them than I can doubt that I am awake right now and not sleeping.
I don't ask you to believe me. I cannot prove the spiritual by appealing to material or corporeal facts. The spiritual utterly transcends physical existence. I can only warn you. The afterlife is real. I wish it were not so.
What you are calling "Hell" is an inappropriate use of the term for the state you want to explain.
it is exactly what i am talking about.
Hell is a place (or state of being, depending on different theological point of views) that is described in the bible (the most know reference, but also in other mythologies, as the Greek one, i.e. Hades etc.) the state you talk about can either exist but it is not "Hell", you have called it such (probably to better convey the feelings etc.), but in so doing you have attributed to it a definite context (primarily mythological) that turns what you say (that you have experienced it) in nonsense and it turns every mention of that state in something well defined (so you have to take this in consideration).
I am glad, for your sake, that you don't know what hell is. Trust me, you don't want to go there. God could blink and send you there in an instant. Mythological representations of hell are merely symbolic for a state of being that cannot be described by word or idea. Real hell is simplicity itself. It is a purely mental agony in eternity that is far simpler than any depiction in mythology.
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I died more completely than you can imagine.
You didn't. To die really, in the full sense, you need 48 hours of complete cerebral inactivity (not static). Neither Lama Yogi can arrive so far; they can stay in a coma like state for weeks on end, but not remove completely from static for more than 24 hours because you risk of not being able to come back. NOBODY can do that, so stop pretending.
that there is an afterlife i can no longer entertain any doubt. there is a depth in these moments of eternity which constrains me to ascribe more reality to it than to all other experiences. My experiences of heaven and hell are more real than my everyday experiences. I can no more doubt them than I can doubt that I am awake right now and not sleeping.
I will reply to you with the words of Crowley on this issue:
< In the same way the Adept almost always begins by torrential lyrics painting out mystical extravagances about "ineffable love", "unimaginable bliss", "inexpressible infinities of illimitable utterness". He usually loses his sense of proportion, of humour, of reality, and of sound judgment. His ego is often inflated to the bursting point, till he would be abjectly ridiculous if he were not so pitifully dangerous to himself and others. He also tends to take his new-found "truths of illumination" for the entire body of truth, and insists that they must be as valid an vital for all men as they happen to be for himself.
It is wise to keep silence about those things "unlawful to utter" which one may have heard "in the seventh heaven". This may not apply to the sixth. >
I don't ask you to believe me. I cannot prove the spiritual by appealing to material or corporeal facts. The spiritual utterly transcends physical existence. I can only warn you. The afterlife is real. I wish it were not so.
Here it is not a matter of "believing you" or not. It is simply IMPOSSIBLE to experience fully death in this life. What you can experience is anyway just an image, reflected as like in a mirror, of what it can really happen there, no matter what. We humans have limitations on what we can do, given our physical shell. You are no different.
it is exactly what i am talking about.
No, it isn't, because the Hell as in the meaning of the word requires you to be death, and you were not death when you experienced those things, so you cannot be CERTAIN (do you understand the meaning of the word? You have always to keep your neutrality on these things, a detached look at what you experience, no matter how "ineffable" that can be) that what you saw was really "Hell".
I am glad, for your sake, that you don't know what hell is. Trust me, you don't want to go there.
You would be astounded to know to whom you are saying this. Read Plato's Cave metaphor, it applies sublimely to your issue here. You are in the position of the people having a glimpse of the world outside and pretending they already know everything about it.
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You didn't. To die really, in the full sense, you need 48 hours of complete cerebral inactivity (not static).
I died for more than 48 hours. I died for eternity. I never came back.
You don't understand me.
I will reply to you with the words of Crowley on this issue:
Crowley was a charlatan.
You don't understand what I am saying.
< In the same way the Adept almost always begins by torrential lyrics painting out mystical extravagances about "ineffable love", "unimaginable bliss", "inexpressible infinities of illimitable utterness". He usually loses his sense of proportion, of humour, of reality, and of sound judgment. His ego is often inflated to the bursting point, till he would be abjectly ridiculous if he were not so pitifully dangerous to himself and others. He also tends to take his new-found "truths of illumination" for the entire body of truth, and insists that they must be as valid an vital for all men as they happen to be for himself.
This isn't applicable. Crowley is talking about astral states of consciousness, not anything remotely like what I experienced.
You're not understanding.
It is wise to keep silence about those things "unlawful to utter" which one may have heard "in the seventh heaven". This may not apply to the sixth.
I am keeping silent. Even my words are silent about it.
You just don't get what I am saying.
It is simply IMPOSSIBLE to experience fully death in this life.
It wasn't in this life.
You aren't understanding.
What you can experience is anyway just an image, reflected as like in a mirror, of what it can really happen there, no matter what.
What image?
You aren't understanding.
We humans have limitations on what we can do, given our physical shell. You are no different.
I agree. But I was no longer human. I was everything and nothing.
You aren't understanding.
No, it isn't, because the Hell as in the meaning of the word requires you to be death,
I was dead.
You aren't understanding.
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Had about 4 truly great and enlightening times on DMT, and a fucking horrific time more recently.
Always been nervous before taking it. Was less scared before this time though.
Spawned in the other dimension, underground, murky brown dungeon. Intense feeling of infinite dread. Some sort of slithering being hiding from me yet watching.
This was the night after consuming some MDMA, so again this seems to agree with the above.
DMT on an MDMA comedown looks like a bad move.