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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: wikked on December 22, 2012, 12:53 pm

Title: Karma System without sense?
Post by: wikked on December 22, 2012, 12:53 pm
Is it just me or is there anybody else think that way?

A Karma system need a comment to the karma. So u can see who gave the karma and specially WHY. actually people doing -karma for no obvious reason infact i got 2x - karma for my own non offended opinion. they probably dont even know the reason themselves but because they dont have to give a reason they just go and do it for whatever reason but not what its supposed to be.
when i started here i was very curious and gave alot less attention to peoples post when they had alot of -karma because i thought i can give a thing about it. man was i wrong.2 days later some people seem to have nothing better to do as to give away -karma for no reason. also they dont state another reason in the thread they gave me the -karma for. how? and whys that? (there was some scammer in the thread, wrote a post before me. he had selling prices of 90$ per 10 bitcoins in his signature. THIS guy actually had only 1 -karma. me the one who give a reason to everything he posts get 2x - karma without stating a reason for it or to rectify me when they think i have written something wrong they should probably go ahead and rectify me instead of giving a karma?
the -karma makes no sense at all here. its just to confuse people not more not less. u can not give a little thing about it. u know in the internet there are places u pay 5$ for others peoples registering in a forum and make 100 quality posts. if i want to harm somebody ill just go and get like 5-10 of this accounts and fill them with -karmas and nobody can ever tell if they are real or not.

if however u have to give a reason for it, and the karma will point to the thread the karma was given to, u can go and check if this was a legit karma. not even that hard to get this as a html code (1 minute google).

people will think twice if they give a karma for no reason because they know their words weight less and less by every wrong given karma point.
it would be easy for everyone to tell if their tons of + karmas are legit.

i can tell u atleast 3 solid points why the karma system here is bad. can u give me just one legit point of why the actual karma system is better than what i suggested? (instead of just giving -karma??

i know all the immature kids will now make -karmas rain at me because i made a thread out of it :D  these karmas will just proof my point.

Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: Errl_Kushman on December 22, 2012, 01:00 pm
its just an anonymous forum. You're taking it more seriously than most I think. Sometimes people just -karma because they can.


Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: wikked on December 22, 2012, 01:22 pm
Sometimes people just -karma because they can.

thats my point. so why even have a karma system when it makes no sense but to confuse? why not add the options i mentioned and make it have some sense? i would like to understand
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: jesse on December 22, 2012, 01:33 pm
Wikked, I totally agree.
See my thread ''directions to Johnsonstreet''
With many, many thanks to Rewrite for making it so much more understandable.
For the people saying ''you take this way to serious''
 Its not about the - karma, it is the irritation that people for no reason can give that, for them it means something or else they wouldn't have given the -
Add a small comment to the + or - makes it more valuable I think. Now its often used to punish people who in general have no clue what they've done wrong. (exactly as I point out in directions to Johnsonstreet)
 
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: wretched on December 22, 2012, 01:34 pm
It is my experience that the fastest way to rack up -karma is to bitch about having -karma

hope that helps
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: WinterMoon on December 22, 2012, 01:41 pm
Yours is about the 100th post in the past 2 days whining about karma.  Get the fuck over it, would you? 

It bothers me that this place has filled up with kids who do nothing about whine about getting negative karma because they come here acting like this is fucking Facebook.  It's not.  It's a site to buy illegal drugs.  It's a site intended for ADULTS.  Quit your fucking bitching, deal with the systems that are in place or GTFO.  Have you ever heard the expression "Lay low"????

It's really starting to piss me off all these people coming here and their first 10 posts are either "somebody tell me how to buy drugs" OR "DPR needs to do this, that or the other thing" OR trying to tell other people what they can and cannot do or what they should and shouldn't do. 

And then there are the personal counseling matters - for adolescents! We almost need a new board labelled the  Kids Kounseling Kouch. I'm fucking over it...

P.S. I used the word "fuck" as many times as I did in this post only because you said in a previous post that you don't like it. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.  Who gives a fucking fuck about karma??? 
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: wikked on December 22, 2012, 05:21 pm
Yours is about the 100th post in the past 2 days whining about karma.  Get the fuck over it, would you? 

It bothers me that this place has filled up with kids who do nothing about whine about getting negative karma because they come here acting like this is fucking Facebook.  It's not.  It's a site to buy illegal drugs.  It's a site intended for ADULTS.  Quit your fucking bitching, deal with the systems that are in place or GTFO.  Have you ever heard the expression "Lay low"????

It's really starting to piss me off all these people coming here and their first 10 posts are either "somebody tell me how to buy drugs" OR "DPR needs to do this, that or the other thing" OR trying to tell other people what they can and cannot do or what they should and shouldn't do. 

And then there are the personal counseling matters - for adolescents! We almost need a new board labelled the  Kids Kounseling Kouch. I'm fucking over it...

P.S. I used the word "fuck" as many times as I did in this post only because you said in a previous post that you don't like it. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.  Who gives a fucking fuck about karma???

such a big post yet so useless. u should 'lay low' and grow up. u will think about my words when u read ur crap in 10 years. i had a valid reason and brang constructive critique. thats why i wasted my time. now what is ur intention of writing such a big completely senseless post? ur just the exact same person running around this forum and is so upset about his life because he has nothing todo as to give -karma and write senseless posts. because there are 'not so intelligent' people like u the system is completely useless the way it is.

u go read up posts i wrote before just to bitch here in a thread. thats what ur life is about :D u r a very poor guy and i feel for u. but now fuck off from this thread and try to get some attention in some other thread. u wont get mine anymore kid.
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: wikked on December 22, 2012, 05:37 pm
It is my experience that the fastest way to rack up -karma is to bitch about having -karma

hope that helps

I know how easy it is to get +/- karma. if i had enough time for senseless things like WinterMoon i would prove it. just go around every thread and say YES YES YES U R RIGHT!!!! I THINK THE SAME WAY AS U DO!!!! and if somebody is saying anything against the logic SR runs just add U R SOO DUMB GO FUCK OFF KIDDI SILK ROAD IS DOING ALL RITE!!!! (without using brain. my problem tho is i like to use my brain and things like that would be boring before i started)

thats what the karma is about. senseless. absolutely. its not only useless but also BAD in any way. it does nothing good. does it?what is good about the system? explain pls? btw i dont give a shit about the - karma... and if i would i could just make a new account.

i mean the owners need a reason to activate such an option, what was their point of doing so? im pretty sure the system doesnt work as it was supposed to?

i like karma systems because they make alot of sense. specially in a forum like this. but not the way it is now.
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: Leopard99 on December 22, 2012, 05:53 pm
Like any other community, the Silk Road community has plenty of nice and cool people, and its share of assholes as well.

Some of these assholes have more than 100 posts, which makes them qualified to give out karma.

Just accept it and move on.
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: wikked on December 22, 2012, 06:49 pm
why not try and make it better?
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: eddiethegun on December 22, 2012, 07:00 pm
SR didn't build the feature, it's built into the SMF package they use.

Besides which, it's completely useless and does nothing other than put two little numbers under your name. Who cares?
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: WinterMoon on December 22, 2012, 07:02 pm
Yours is about the 100th post in the past 2 days whining about karma.  Get the fuck over it, would you? 

It bothers me that this place has filled up with kids who do nothing about whine about getting negative karma because they come here acting like this is fucking Facebook.  It's not.  It's a site to buy illegal drugs.  It's a site intended for ADULTS.  Quit your fucking bitching, deal with the systems that are in place or GTFO.  Have you ever heard the expression "Lay low"????

It's really starting to piss me off all these people coming here and their first 10 posts are either "somebody tell me how to buy drugs" OR "DPR needs to do this, that or the other thing" OR trying to tell other people what they can and cannot do or what they should and shouldn't do. 

And then there are the personal counseling matters - for adolescents! We almost need a new board labelled the  Kids Kounseling Kouch. I'm fucking over it...

P.S. I used the word "fuck" as many times as I did in this post only because you said in a previous post that you don't like it. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.  Who gives a fucking fuck about karma???

such a big post yet so useless. u should 'lay low' and grow up. u will think about my words when u read ur crap in 10 years. i had a valid reason and brang constructive critique. thats why i wasted my time. now what is ur intention of writing such a big completely senseless post? ur just the exact same person running around this forum and is so upset about his life because he has nothing todo as to give -karma and write senseless posts. because there are 'not so intelligent' people like u the system is completely useless the way it is.

u go read up posts i wrote before just to bitch here in a thread. thats what ur life is about :D u r a very poor guy and i feel for u. but now fuck off from this thread and try to get some attention in some other thread. u wont get mine anymore kid.

Yo wikked - I will fuck off when I get good & ready to fuck off. 

As for wanting attention:  that's the major difference between us dude, I don't need or want attention.  Not from you or anybody like you. 

I would appreciate it if you would stop acting like you know one damned thing about me, my life and what I do or don't do because you don't know anything, okay?  It's none of your fucking business anyway.

And BTW: I don't give negative karma, dude.  Shows how much you know, just flapping your jaws about things you don't know anything about.

Cheers.

P.S.  I'm still looking for all the constructive critique you brang to the community - can you possibly point me in the right direction?  Perhaps I'm missing something. Thank you.
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: Razorspyne on December 22, 2012, 07:31 pm
thats what the karma is about. senseless. absolutely. its not only useless but also BAD in any way. it does nothing good. does it?what is good about the system? explain pls?

Not being DPR I don't know without asking him. However, if it was used properly, one might get an overall view of somebody instantly. For instance, if somebody has +10K but -90K, it's a good bet (but not necessarily) they're a troll. If a coke dealer has +132K and -28K, and another has +46K and -119K, who are you going to buy from? IF, and I said IF K was given out correctly, this might provide a heads up.

why not try and make it better?

Such as.......?

But honestly, if you're still a Newbie or Juniour don't worry about it because by the time you get to Full it might have averaged out a bit. If you're new to the forums then obviously you're going to be one way or another so I wouldn't even waste time over it. Wait til you get to Hero and you've got more -K than +K, then worry about it.

Forget this thread. Check out the other threads and have fun. Tonight is real slow. There's hardly anyone I know here; don't know where the SR vets have gotten to. It'll probably be busier after Christmas. Piece out.
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: Shroomeister on December 22, 2012, 07:49 pm
It is my experience that the fastest way to rack up -karma is to bitch about having -karma

hope that helps

+1 Was gonna say the same thing.
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: warmkitty on December 22, 2012, 07:49 pm
wikked  - chill remember this is a drug user forum.
If you want to subvert the karma process ramp your post count up to 100 asap and then just go round leaving anyone with more +ve karma than _ve karma -ve karma.
But remember to leave me +ve karma cos i take it all extremely seriously.
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: Razorspyne on December 22, 2012, 07:58 pm
thats what the karma is about. senseless. absolutely. its not only useless but also BAD in any way. it does nothing good. does it?what is good about the system? explain pls?

Not being DPR I don't know without asking him. However, if it was used properly, one might get an overall view of somebody instantly. For instance, if somebody has +10K but -90K, it's a good bet (but not necessarily) they're a troll. If a coke dealer has +132K and -28K, and another has +46K and -119K, who are you going to buy from? IF, and I said IF K was given out correctly, this might provide a heads up.

why not try and make it better?

Such as.......?

But honestly, if you're still a Newbie or Juniour don't worry about it because by the time you get to Full it might have averaged out a bit. If you're new to the forums then obviously you're going to be one way or another so I wouldn't even waste time over it. Wait til you get to Hero and you've got more -K than +K, then worry about it.

Forget this thread. Check out the other threads and learn a few things first. Tonight is real slow. There's hardly anyone I know here; don't know where the SR vets have gotten to. It'll probably be busier after Christmas. Piece out.

[edit: Sorry guys, this post popped out while I was trying to edit and send. Connection very slow tonight. Giving me the sh*ts.]
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: wikked on December 22, 2012, 09:39 pm
who are you going to buy from?

tbh, i dont know! because it seems like more than average of people giving out karmas doing so for fun or whatever reason. i have done nothing wrong, i have not insulted anyone in any way but i got -5 (or now even more) -karmas. so if i judge by that i should probably choose the one with more -karmas?!

why not try and make it better?

Such as.......?

Such as providing a link, a reason and a name to the post that got the karma. so as a possible customer u can make up ur decision by looking these kind of things up to be more accurate. this would actually make a lot of sense. but a bunch of fanboy kids who crackup their brains with all kind of drugs going around pulling karmas out with no sense whatsoever just doesnt make any sense and makes me questioning the situation. as a seller i would sure not post a single post in this forum because it could hurt my business because of some degenerated fools...a transparent karma system would come close to a seller feedback page. an untransparent karma system just not helping anybody

Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: jesse on December 22, 2012, 11:05 pm
who are you going to buy from?

tbh, i dont know! because it seems like more than average of people giving out karmas doing so for fun or whatever reason. i have done nothing wrong, i have not insulted anyone in any way but i got -5 (or now even more) -karmas. so if i judge by that i should probably choose the one with more -karmas?!

why not try and make it better?

and that is exactly why I am here not under my vendor ID, I'm not a fool.
When getting feedback you as a vendor can also see who gave it. When they give a bogus reason for less than 5/5 you can ask them why and, if you think its crap and no change after reasoning never sell to them again.
The karma is fucked up because, however people say don't take it serious, is taken serious when people want to do business.
I think every 12 yo wizzkid can make a thing connected to karma so you need to give the reason and name before able to give that karma.
Its serious enough because when you are here under the vendor ID you will be harmed.
I don't even know how many - I have because I genuinely don;t care only about the attitude of the ones giving it.
Have a wonderful Christmas!!
J

Such as.......?

Such as providing a link, a reason and a name to the post that got the karma. so as a possible customer u can make up ur decision by looking these kind of things up to be more accurate. this would actually make a lot of sense. but a bunch of fanboy kids who crackup their brains with all kind of drugs going around pulling karmas out with no sense whatsoever just doesnt make any sense and makes me questioning the situation. as a seller i would sure not post a single post in this forum because it could hurt my business because of some degenerated fools...a transparent karma system would come close to a seller feedback page. an untransparent karma system just not helping anybody
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: WinterMoon on December 22, 2012, 11:27 pm
who are you going to buy from?

If I have been mean to you guys I'm sorry.  I am usually nice to people or I ignore them.  Today I guess I am just grouchy.  I am sorry.

@wikked:  Are you trying to pick a vendor using these forums??  If so, the people here are mostly buyers, not vendors.  If you are trying to research a vendor then go over to the market place and read the vendor feedback there.  When you have picked a couple of vendors then come back here and search the forum called Rumor Mill for vendor reviews, search all of this forum, I guess.

BTW for everybody:  Threads to make suggestions to improve SR are also located on another forum, the third one down called Technical > Feature Requests

Like I said, I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: Razorspyne on December 22, 2012, 11:34 pm
It's not required, but I give the name and reason of whom I give it to on my post just as a heads up. I've given way more good K (about 40) than bad K (a mere 2). Like Jesse said, it can sometimes affect a vendor's business if you're deciding on a new seller.
Title: Re: Karma System without sense?
Post by: BenJesuit on December 23, 2012, 12:11 am
If you're a vendor, a competing vendor could leave you -karma just because they can. Some might even make it a point to do so.

So the karma system isn't a reliable guide to judge someone's character over. Someone might have come up with an idea that everyone hated at first but after fleshing it out a bit more, now like it.

All kinds of reasons -Karma is doles out.

Yes, it would be better if one could see who left it. There would probably be less -karma given out if it were. Except in the case of trolls. It's a matter of pride and community duty to smack a troll with -karma. It sure beats arguing with a troll.