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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: sunnydog on November 18, 2011, 12:08 am

Title: the level of danger im in?
Post by: sunnydog on November 18, 2011, 12:08 am
I am in a city where pot has been decriminalized with only a fine. I ordered a very small amount, to enjoy over christmas holidays. My friend said that the fed could get involved though and screw my life over. how much danger am I in? should I cancel my order? I am having it delivered to my name which will be spelled slightly wrong. I have a very good reason why people would want to frame me if I have to line a defense. I would not talk to the police. thank you for your help!!
Title: Re: the level of danger im in?
Post by: monkey_dream0n on November 18, 2011, 12:17 am
Unless you have done something wrong during the ordering process (revealed too much information to the cop you bought from), or ordered from someone who has poor packaging - You *should* be fine.  8) 
Title: Re: the level of danger im in?
Post by: sickboy on November 18, 2011, 05:18 am
Don't be too paranoid. They find small amounts all the time. The Feds have much better things to do. Besides, you were never even in possession of the drugs. They would have to prove intent. Too much hassle fer such a small amount. They want kilos.
Title: Re: the level of danger im in?
Post by: exodusultima on November 18, 2011, 07:31 am
sickboy is on point. if you ordered from a friend on SR who has an established winning record, then you can relax and let the system work for you. At the very worst you are facing a fine and you said it yourself.

And here's another thought to help you sleep tonight - welcome to the holiday season. Start thinking about who's getting xmas cards from you this year, just like the rest of the country, and count on a mail surge washing over an overwhelmed delivery system already worried about whether they will exist in 12 months.

lordbritish
Title: Re: the level of danger im in?
Post by: threatminor on November 18, 2011, 08:57 am
"My friend said that the fed could get involved though and screw my life over."

Okay, your friend is partially correct, but you're more likely to win the lottery than the Feds screwing your life up, well, at least as related to Silk Road (assuming Fed does not mean the treasury dept., lol).  Decriminalization of pot where you live does not matter.  It's a federal issue because, among other thing, cross jurisdictions lines (states) and using the postal service are at issue.  While Silk Road has received a lot of publicity, as a buyer, the overwhelming paranoia is misplaced.  Granted, the paranoia serves a purpose - keeps you thinking and safe.  But think logically about your concern.  Does the DEA, FBI, CIA or any other acronym possess the resources to pursue every instance of drug buying?  No.  They, however, would like people to think that they do.  Like any business, law enforcement(s)have production goals.  Resources are better spent pursuing the big fish, not the minnow. 

I am too tired to illustrate with a good analogy, but think of it like this.  Salesmen or women work for commission, they have bosses that need their salespeople to produce a certain amount.  Numbers are what matter.  The bigger the number, the better the sales-person looks, and thus, their boss look good.  If you have a million dollar quota for the week, would it be prudent to sell pez dispensers at $1 or iPads at a grand.  No.  Okay this sucks.... my point is... no one cares to hear about the Feds busting your neighbor for buying an ounce of pot.  What they do care about is the bust of some giant methamphetamine drug organization.  The rate of return is just not feasible. 

That said, with this site receiving a lot of media attention, a bust might provide the illusion that something is being done... The food chain starts with the administrator of SR, sellers, then, buyers.  Hypothetically, if I was popped for buying pot tomorrow, how the fuck could I rat out the seller? All I have is some fictitious return address....  Wow, LE just spent $10,000 to bust me, impressive.  I could see the headlines - DEA takes down local mail-order pot buyer.  Yea, then guess what happens...  Tax-payer ask questions.  Freedom of information Act leads to expenditures.  Wasted resources, that is - tax dollars, piss people off.  I do not even smoke pot, but I did as a kid.  Fuck, everyone did... cops, judges, lawyers (lots of lawyers), meter-maids, doctors, nurses, etc .... to sum up this pathetic, nonsensical digression, you're fine.
Title: Re: the level of danger im in?
Post by: Cgault on November 19, 2011, 01:30 am
"the vast criminal empire of this dangerous "Amazon of Drugs" (echo chamber for effect). The SR economy is perhaps maybe 20M $ per year. Each order averages less than 400$ - usually much less (in my case 100).

One Blackhawk helo sent to Columbia is 100's of Millions of dollars with parts and training. We send dozens to Columbia. And, nothing is getting done there, they are actually building submarines to ship coke to the USA> Submarines ?!!!! Made with the help of retired Russian and Israeli engineers.

Yeah....the cautious SR buyer, worrying constantly over a g of molly, amid a deluge of USA mail, run by an agency that cant meet its pension obligations.
Title: Re: the level of danger im in?
Post by: Steelydust on November 19, 2011, 01:33 am
Listen, a little bit of paranoia is a good thing. Imagine the risks you take everyday. Every time you get in a car, you're in a level of danger. If you have too much paranoia about that, you'll be too scared to even get inside of a car! If you have absolutely no paranoia, you'll start racing down the highway 40 over the speed limit. The key is balance. With a small amount of paranoia, you'll wear your seat belt, drive the speed limit, obey traffic signs, and the chances of anything bad happening go way down.
Title: Re: the level of danger im in?
Post by: jerryskid on November 19, 2011, 03:02 am
I will tell you what MrDdroMcGillacutty told me, "SACK UP, and put in a few more orders".
I was shitting bricks and especially since my first order took close to a month to arrive!! It is normal to  be VERY paranoid with this being your first order. Take this time to read the forums and study your next vendors feedback and read about them over here in the forums. Good luck.
Title: Re: the level of danger im in?
Post by: electriccrazyman on November 19, 2011, 03:51 am
"My friend said that the fed could get involved though and screw my life over."

Okay, your friend is partially correct, but you're more likely to win the lottery than the Feds screwing your life up, well, at least as related to Silk Road (assuming Fed does not mean the treasury dept., lol).  Decriminalization of pot where you live does not matter.  It's a federal issue because, among other thing, cross jurisdictions lines (states) and using the postal service are at issue.  While Silk Road has received a lot of publicity, as a buyer, the overwhelming paranoia is misplaced.  Granted, the paranoia serves a purpose - keeps you thinking and safe.  But think logically about your concern.  Does the DEA, FBI, CIA or any other acronym possess the resources to pursue every instance of drug buying?  No.  They, however, would like people to think that they do.  Like any business, law enforcement(s)have production goals.  Resources are better spent pursuing the big fish, not the minnow. 

I am too tired to illustrate with a good analogy, but think of it like this.  Salesmen or women work for commission, they have bosses that need their salespeople to produce a certain amount.  Numbers are what matter.  The bigger the number, the better the sales-person looks, and thus, their boss look good.  If you have a million dollar quota for the week, would it be prudent to sell pez dispensers at $1 or iPads at a grand.  No.  Okay this sucks.... my point is... no one cares to hear about the Feds busting your neighbor for buying an ounce of pot.  What they do care about is the bust of some giant methamphetamine drug organization.  The rate of return is just not feasible. 

That said, with this site receiving a lot of media attention, a bust might provide the illusion that something is being done... The food chain starts with the administrator of SR, sellers, then, buyers.  Hypothetically, if I was popped for buying pot tomorrow, how the fuck could I rat out the seller? All I have is some fictitious return address....  Wow, LE just spent $10,000 to bust me, impressive.  I could see the headlines - DEA takes down local mail-order pot buyer.  Yea, then guess what happens...  Tax-payer ask questions.  Freedom of information Act leads to expenditures.  Wasted resources, that is - tax dollars, piss people off.  I do not even smoke pot, but I did as a kid.  Fuck, everyone did... cops, judges, lawyers (lots of lawyers), meter-maids, doctors, nurses, etc .... to sum up this pathetic, nonsensical digression, you're fine.
Well said. The only reason that cops usually will go after little buyers is so they can put pressure on them to work up the food chain. There is no way they can work up the food chain here at SR by going after buyers. Buyers know nothing. And everything works better because of that.
Title: Re: the level of danger im in?
Post by: Cgault on November 19, 2011, 04:33 pm
I love that quote from MrDdro - he is one of the reigning Ambassadors of the Libertarian economy. Regarding LE working up the food chain - yeah, the SR methodology makes that just about impossible, and LE could just as well seed the site with a raft of straw buyers and sellers. However. They still are not thrilled with the idea of drugs by mail. Counter Truth = any cop or DEA agent with a shred of honesty would have to admit that this is in one way an answer to the ills of street level drug dealing.

my line: "A bunch of geeks and computer folks setting up complex networks to buy tiny amounts of recreational drugs, delivered to their home, most likely consumed there", quite safe and off my beat. Fantastic.
Title: Re: the level of danger im in?
Post by: bigsniffer on November 19, 2011, 04:38 pm
Well spoken all! Tis the season for this shit, merry Christmas and a happy doped up new Year!!!! Long Live SR!
Title: Re: the level of danger im in?
Post by: Aoth14 on November 20, 2011, 05:16 am
The Fed wont mess with you.  Especially when holiday traffic is coming.

US border customs may check intl packages that are deemed suspicious, will seize and only notify you it if its small amounts. Dont order a lb from amsterdam or anything risky and you'll be good. Just make sure your seller packages well enough to handle the abuse of disgruntled mail handlers. you dont need a package smelling at the P.O., whether its a gram or a kilogram.

 UPS typically has no interest in intercepting drug packages whatsoever.

FedEx does have an interest (in maintaining there image), simply because too many insiders have been caught 'running protection' on FedEx payroll, and I think sometimes the Fed beleives they own FedEx, (obviously they've given up trying to manage the USPS) they work together A LOT it seems.


Happy holidays!
Title: Re: the level of danger im in?
Post by: threatminor on November 22, 2011, 06:58 am
"UPS typically has no interest in intercepting drug packages whatsoever."

Yea not doubt, they are too busy stealing gift cards.  My kids have had at least 4 gift cards "lost" in the mail over the last two years.  Last X-mas, the postmaster actually sent me the original envelope; it was torn open just like Johnny Carson used to do while imitating "The Amazing Kreskin." 
Title: Re: the level of danger im in?
Post by: phubaiblues on November 23, 2011, 01:45 am
People often want more comfort than we can give.  Nobody knows.  This place isn't for everybody.  Cops would love to bring it down...those who are prone to worrying or paranoia are never going to be happy here.  There's no reassurance to be given.  If you're new, go to wikipedia and  start by studying up on Tor, do the same for bitcoins.  You will then know everything the rest of us know...no free lunch here.  We could all get cracked tomorrow...About once a week somebody asks if this place  is dangerous, can you get in trouble, etc.  Answer: yes.

Read thru the security and thru the shipping threads, start from the beginning, take a couple hours, then decide if it's worth it to you.
Title: Re: the level of danger im in?
Post by: PoopFace on November 23, 2011, 08:16 am
Wow that was perfectly said Phubaiblues. Nothing is ever certain.LE coming after buyers seems highly unlikely in a world full of VERY big fish. Buyers know nothing about vendors so can offer no information of where dealers are located or operating from. Buyers seem fairly safe on SR as of now. If I ran SR or was a vendor..id be looking over my shoulder every second. Peace
Title: Re: the level of danger im in?
Post by: Dobbs on November 25, 2011, 05:44 pm
If you are just getting little bits, its probably fine.

However, if you are getting bulk on a regular basis?  Not so fine and you need to make sure you know whats up. 
Title: Re: the level of danger im in?
Post by: jerryskid on November 27, 2011, 05:03 pm
People often want more comfort than we can give.  Nobody knows.  This place isn't for everybody.  Cops would love to bring it down...those who are prone to worrying or paranoia are never going to be happy here.  There's no reassurance to be given.  If you're new, go to wikipedia and  start by studying up on Tor, do the same for bitcoins.  You will then know everything the rest of us know...no free lunch here.  We could all get cracked tomorrow...About once a week somebody asks if this place  is dangerous, can you get in trouble, etc.  Answer: yes.

Read thru the security and thru the shipping threads, start from the beginning, take a couple hours, then decide if it's worth it to you.


sunnydog please reread the above post. great reply!