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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: utopia on July 12, 2012, 11:48 pm

Title: 2C-E is very sticky
Post by: utopia on July 12, 2012, 11:48 pm
After obtaining some 2C-E I have realised that it is a very hard substance to get dosage right. I have a mg scale that seems to be pretty accurate - this is not so much the problem. The problem is that 2C-E is very sticky and the baggies i have it in are fucking massive (A5/250mg whoever thought that was a good idea is a moron) - this makes it very hard to get onto the scale and obtain a healthy dosage. I've tried eyeballing snorted dosages a couple of times and underestimated the required amount (fortunately i guess...). So anybody got any good ideas about how to get it into the scales without it sticking to my hands, my credit card etc. and then to get it out again so that i have an accurateish dose? Keen to try a proper yet safe 2c-e dose caus its supposed to be pretty cool. Have a feeling this sticky/clumpy aspect is similar to most 2c-* so any advice?
Title: Re: 2C-E is very sticky
Post by: stolea2269 on July 13, 2012, 12:32 am
I've never had any sticky 2c-x compounds...

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you? Sometimes when I'm measuring stuff out, the 2c-x's in particular will leave a little residue on the weighing pan. But I wouldn't call it sticky - that seems to imply wet or oily?
Title: Re: 2C-E is very sticky
Post by: Gary Oak on July 13, 2012, 02:50 am
I use the small pocket knife on my baby Leatherman Multi-Tool, but I know what you mean. 2C-E is super fluffy, almost wet-like. Somewhat of a difficult substance to work with but it's worth it when you get it right. ^-^
Title: Re: 2C-E is very sticky
Post by: 00OOIlI00lO1O0 on July 13, 2012, 05:22 am
Dissolve the 2c-e and then measure out doses volumetrically? One risk is how to determine the concentration of this liquid when you can't be absolutely sure that there is 250mg of 2c-e in there and not over/underweight. Ask the vendor what their empty bag of that size weighs?

Weigh bag. Write down this weight.
Dissolve 2c-e in a known weight of a somewhat volatile solvent that you can use to volumetrically dose with.
Try to get out as much solvent as you can from the bag.
Does the dried empty bag weigh 250mg or so less than when you started? If so, great.
As a double check, is your weight of solvent <=250mg more than when you started? If it weighs >250mg more, you've got a problem.

You could evaporate the solvent out, but then you're going to end up having to scrape the 2c-e off your watch glass or whatever you choose, and when you're dealing with 250mg, you're going to lose a good chunk of your stuff.

Carefully choose a solvent that doesn't dissolve your baggie of course.
Make sure solvent is consumption-grade if you're going to consume it directly instead of evaporate it away.
Proper labeling and child-proofing of your active 2c-e liquid is crucial. Consider a locked box for this kind of thing.
Make sure solvent is reasonably pure and doesn't contain crap that doesn't evaporate (put a drop on a horizontal mirror, come back in a while, is it completely gone, or did it leave a residue?)
Title: Re: 2C-E is very sticky
Post by: sickboy on July 13, 2012, 08:10 am
I always use a drinking straw from a fast food joint. I cut the end into an angle of about 45 degrees. Then you can just use that as a scoop and scrape off the compounds into capsules.

And yeah, I know what you mean about 2C-E being a little sticky.
Title: Re: 2C-E is very sticky
Post by: utopia on July 13, 2012, 03:00 pm
yeh those drinking straw/knife ideas seem to be good way to go thanks :)

Interested in the solvent idea too. In theory could I dissolve in a known quality of water then just drink some of that water? My only problem with this is I'm not sure how much of a grasp on basic chemistry I hold. If I dissolved 500mg of a substance in, say, 2 litres of water (a bottle) would there be a constant amount of substance per every x ml (assuming the substance is completely dissolved)? I know that that's a lot of solvent for the tiny amount of substance but it would make it easier to measure and easier to take.
Title: Re: 2C-E is very sticky
Post by: stolea2269 on July 13, 2012, 04:08 pm
If you buy a set of weighing spoons, the smallest one can often fit inside a 0-sized capsule. Thats what I use and it's the bee's knees!
Title: Re: 2C-E is very sticky
Post by: 00OOIlI00lO1O0 on July 14, 2012, 11:41 pm
Interested in the solvent idea too. In theory could I dissolve in a known quality of water then just drink some of that water?
Yep, but there are at least three things that you should consider in selecting a solvent:
1) How well does the drug dissolve in said solvent (and at what temperatures, what works at room temp may not work at 0C)
2) How stable is the drug in said solvent (water especially can breakdown substances, but, for example, mdma is stable in it. Use everclear if you can instead of water, it dissolves things better and has less water and less risk of inadvertent mass consumption)
3) How safe/toxic is the solvent? For some applications, you might use acetone as your solvent, but you'd want to evaporate it away before drinking it of course.
My only problem with this is I'm not sure how much of a grasp on basic chemistry I hold. If I dissolved 500mg of a substance in, say, 2 litres of water (a bottle) would there be a constant amount of substance per every x ml (assuming the substance is completely dissolved)?
Yep, constant, as long as it completely dissolved and given a good shake. For most substances, you should be able to find a reference somewhere on the internet that states its solubility. If you can't, well, you can do a test yourself by seeing when the crystals disappear (and then adding more solvent to be safe), but who knows how stable it will be. Most psychoactive drugs will be at least somewhat soluble in distilled water, and by extension, alcohols.
I know that that's a lot of solvent for the tiny amount of substance but it would make it easier to measure and easier to take.
That's fine, just be sure to properly label and safely store your compound out of reach of those who don't know what they're doing. Consider adding some food coloring drops to help ensure that people don't think it's water if they still manage to somehow come across it.
Title: Re: 2C-E is very sticky
Post by: Trinitron421 on July 15, 2012, 01:07 am
Lab spatula sounds like your soloution.

I found it pretty easy to gently tap the bag/vial(which I use for ALL substances) and dump it out mg by mg. Just takes patience. When I was a kiddie, I did 100 10mg 2c-e pills by hand using this method. Just scraped it off the measuring dish with a gel cap to make sure I got everything.
Title: Re: 2C-E is very sticky
Post by: sundhara on July 15, 2012, 01:22 am
Ask the vendor what their empty bag of that size weighs?

Generally plastic bags weigh around 5 grams lol. That's not good enough to get 250 mg out accurately.
Title: Re: 2C-E is very sticky
Post by: smokeweed420 on July 16, 2012, 07:31 am
thats really weird. could be impurities?
Title: Re: 2C-E is very sticky
Post by: utopia on July 16, 2012, 09:15 pm
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thats really weird. could be impurities?

nah i think it's clean got it for trusted vendor (google). Think ya just misunderstood sticky its just a fine, if somewhat clumpy, powder that really gets everywhere. I think I'm mostly just used to getting stuff as crystal and the small dosage makes it more fiddly ;)

Thanks once more 00OOIlI00lO1O0 and the others in the thread - think i'm going to invest in some kind of spatula but going to try disolving the 2c-e in coloured water (writing this down caus no doubt in the future somebody will search with similar query). 2C-e is very soluable and very stable according to several googled sources citing MSDS so dissolving in water and using that should be perfect. Going to do some calculations and see if i can get one dose to be a shot glass - doing colourful shots of psychedelic water sounds like a nice way to do things ;) thanks for ya help
Title: Re: 2C-E is very sticky
Post by: stolea2269 on July 17, 2012, 01:09 am
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thats really weird. could be impurities?

nah i think it's clean got it for trusted vendor (google). Think ya just misunderstood sticky its just a fine, if somewhat clumpy, powder that really gets everywhere. I think I'm mostly just used to getting stuff as crystal and the small dosage makes it more fiddly ;)

Thanks once more 00OOIlI00lO1O0 and the others in the thread - think i'm going to invest in some kind of spatula but going to try disolving the 2c-e in coloured water (writing this down caus no doubt in the future somebody will search with similar query). 2C-e is very soluable and very stable according to several googled sources citing MSDS so dissolving in water and using that should be perfect. Going to do some calculations and see if i can get one dose to be a shot glass - doing colourful shots of psychedelic water sounds like a nice way to do things ;) thanks for ya help

Lol. That's a fucking brilliant idea.