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Title: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Phant on February 12, 2013, 11:36 pm
Hello, I am new here and relatively new to drug use. I am curious is there any drug out there that will help with social anxiety or to be less shy. Adderall works well for me, but I was also looking into xanax or kpin. Any input would be cool, and yes I know the addiction possibilities, I am not going to be taking them all the time only for social events. Thanks!

Edit:
Thanks for the replies so far everyone. I realize my post was very undetailed so I will try to expand more on my symptoms and what I am looking for.

In social situations with strangers: I usually get very quiet and keep to myself. I feel awkward and like everything I'm doing looks weird and that people are watching. It's not that I don't want to talk, it's more of I can't. I literally can't think of anything to say. I think possibly because I'm to occupied worrying. My brain just feels numb during this. When I'm ln adderall I can think of lots to say and feel confident. Otherwise I would feel unnormal/uncomfortable and kinda zombie like..hard to explain. I have only taken adderall 10 times at most.

When I am with friends though I am usually fine, it might take me a little to feel comfortable but then I can function normally just a little quieter than I would like to be.

Hopefully this helps explain further. Thanks.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Shnarf on February 12, 2013, 11:51 pm
Everyone reacts differently to substances, you should experiment and see what suits you best.
Keep it safe though. You know, don't kill yourself.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Shnarf on February 12, 2013, 11:52 pm
And xanax is actually prescribed for social anxiety, but benzos are addictive.
That's another factor to keep in mind.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: SRdoob on February 12, 2013, 11:57 pm
Take some mushrooms alone in a shamanic way and you will realise you never needed drugs for anxiety in the first place. Do as much research as possible (and not wikipedia, try erowid instead) and when you feel educated enough you won't have any trouble finding them :)
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Phant on February 13, 2013, 12:02 am
Alright, right now I am in between Alprazolam and Clonazepam to test out. Not sure which to order though.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: sru07 on February 13, 2013, 12:04 am
Clonazepam is a nice minor relaxant which can help.  Metoprolol seems to work even better (it's a cardio drug, but has off-label use for social anxiety/performance anxiety).    You can get a general anxiety drug like buspirone, but it really was never very effective for me at all..
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Rondo420 on February 13, 2013, 12:07 am
I would recommend Diazaepam (Valium) rather than Xanax if your new to Benzos all you should need is about 5mg Valium to take away your social anxiety whereas Xanax are a good bit stronger and you may end up over confident and making an ass of yourself which i have done on numerous occassions. Be careful though Benzos are really addictive i still HAVE to take some before going to a social gathering or i walk about shitting myself at nothing though that could be the copious amount of weed i smoke.
Good luck Guys
Rondo
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: KQueen on February 13, 2013, 12:09 am
Take some mushrooms alone in a shamanic way and you will realise you never needed drugs for anxiety in the first place. Do as much research as possible (and not wikipedia, try erowid instead) and when you feel educated enough you won't have any trouble finding them :)

I agree with you 100% ... there isn't a drug that can help you out in the long run, it is up to u to be able to break out and enjoy the company of others!
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: sunnybeach1911 on February 13, 2013, 12:37 am
I take 20mg of fluoxetine i.e. prozac a day prescribed by the doc.
Works a treat
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: mindmatter on February 13, 2013, 01:01 am
I take 20mg of fluoxetine i.e. prozac a day prescribed by the doc.
Works a treat

If you really need something to ease your social anxiety I would go his route and talk to the doc.
Let them know you want medication, what for, and a professional opinion rather than self-medication.

You can work with them and make sure they aren't prescribing things that make you fall easy to habit (ie benzos for some).

There is a group of medication called 'mood stabilizers' that I have heard a lot of great things about. Namely the lack of side effects when used long term. Everyone's different though, let a doc help you work out what's best for you.
It'll be much cheaper getting scripts too then buying online. Not to mention it's legal then as well.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Shnarf on February 13, 2013, 01:13 am
Take some mushrooms alone in a shamanic way and you will realise you never needed drugs for anxiety in the first place. Do as much research as possible (and not wikipedia, try erowid instead) and when you feel educated enough you won't have any trouble finding them :)

I agree with you 100% ... there isn't a drug that can help you out in the long run, it is up to u to be able to break out and enjoy the company of others!
This. There are no substances that help you out in the long run, they all fuck you up eventually. Psychedelics can give you a whole new perspective on your life, and an entirely different way to deal with your anxiety.
( Even ketamine had this effect on me, which is a very powerful antidepressant btw, in case your anxiety has deeper roots)
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: MyOtherNickIsAwesome on February 13, 2013, 01:33 am
Hello, I am new here and relatively new to drug use. I am curious is there any drug out there that will help with social anxiety or to be less shy. Adderall works well for me, but I was also looking into xanax or kpin. Any input would be cool, and yes I know the addiction possibilities, I am not going to be taking them all the time only for social events. Thanks!

Hey, I've been dealing with this exact same problem... However it took me 6 years of a weed addiction before i realized what was lying behind it all. Now, you might not have the symptoms as I have, but this is what made me feel human for the first time in my life;

First of all, due to my weed addiction i got signed up to a rehab clinic, this is probably not the best word for it, but a place where I could come and talk to other addicts who had just quit weed...and other drugs, but I didn't see many of these people. However alongside with these group meetings I got to talk to a couple of psychologists, and I think this is what helped the most. On top of that, after going to the clinic for half a year, I got to talk to a doctor who prescribed sertraline for me, internationally known as Zoloft if i'm not mistaken. Now, you can find tons and tons of good and bad review of this medicine on the internet, but what it basically does is blocking the serotonin from leaving your brain....a more detailed explanation of this, you'll have to search google or talk to a doctor.

However, this medicine made a huge impact on me, and my life for that matter... you can go ahead and believe this if you want, and if it sounds like too much of a cliché, it's also ok; however, after a couple of months on the medicine (it takes 3-4 weeks before it has stabelized in your system) i could finally put some of the anxiety away. Which actually made it possible for me to - for the first time in my life - ask a girl out.... at the age of 26. Yes, the problem with anxiety issues like this, is that it'll only build up, and your anxieties will get more and more self-fullfilling the longer you keep them to yourself, and trust me, I know how hard this is to deal with, because that part of you who knows how ridiculous those thoughts are, is also aware that it's so ridiculous people will just laugh at you for even trying to explain it to them. At least that was how I felt about it.

If you're up for it, talk to a doctor about it, and if you have the options I have, seek some professional help before the anxiety takes over completely. I know this is a very delicate matter, and I got lucky that I got pushed into all of this.

However, you were looking for a drug? ...now this might sound like a huge contradiction to many people, but even though I've been through rehab and all that stuff I still can't completely give up on drugs, cause altering your state of mind is just really pleasant from time to time. I don't really like weed anymore, but there's plenty other substances out there. So yeah, to the contradiction. Anxiety is in the family of depressions, and the cure for depressions is serotonin (in my case at least), so if you haven't tried it yet, I really encourage you to try some mdma.. And if this is your first time, I would not encourage a huge ass party with lots of people, but a nice cozy evening with a couple of friends to get an idea of how the drug works.. I had no idea what I got into first the first time, but my first trip on mdma/ecstasy was completely mind blowing, i wouldn't say I lost all anxiety, but I could control it, in a way that only someone with anxiety/depression can understand. And on top of that I was finally capable of talking about it with my very close friend, and we ended up just spending the whole night talking about all these things that we apparently had bottled up for ages. This was a very fulfilling night to me.

Recently, it has become more of a casual happy drug to me though, and yes, for those who know what sertraline is, they'll know that it can't go hand-in-hand with mdma, because they fiddle with the same parts of your brain only in a different manner, but whenever I'm planning a rave or something like that, i have to get off the medicine for a week or two, which I know no doctor in the world would approve of, but I do it anyway, cause I can't contain myself when there's mdma in the air :p

So yeah, I hope at least some of this helps :)

EDIT: I just noticed the long-term part, and I would say that in this case you don't have many options, seek professional help, get your problems sorted out with a psychologist and get a doctor to help you with some sort of medication to ease the anxiety. Then when you feel ready for it, you can get off the medicine without any too big side effects, and you might as well get out of this with a brand new perspective on life.

However, i would still really really encourage an mdma trip, just to feel what it's like to be able to control your anxiety... but only once or twice, because if you take it too much you're FUCKED and you'll need more than just a doctor and a psychologist to ever get out of that shit.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Maniok on February 13, 2013, 02:06 am
I suffer from the same thing. I was on prozac for like two years but did not notice too much difference, so I decided to stop and after like a month without it I got really depressed with suicidal thoughts. Also during that time things were not going as planned in my life and that also contributed to my depression. I would advise from taking any drugs to help you with that issue. I would recommend to try to push yourself and be as social as possible, hang out with friends,go out, try to avoid staying at home whenever you dont have too and it will come naturally.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Lonelystranger on February 13, 2013, 02:23 am
Mate, in all honesty

Try to get some professional help rather than buying drugs against the symptoms on SR. this won't help you in the long run, it would be more likely to actually increase your problems actually.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Phant on February 13, 2013, 03:02 am
Hello, I am new here and relatively new to drug use. I am curious is there any drug out there that will help with social anxiety or to be less shy. Adderall works well for me, but I was also looking into xanax or kpin. Any input would be cool, and yes I know the addiction possibilities, I am not going to be taking them all the time only for social events. Thanks!

Hey, I've been dealing with this exact same problem... However it took me 6 years of a weed addiction before i realized what was lying behind it all. Now, you might not have the symptoms as I have, but this is what made me feel human for the first time in my life;

First of all, due to my weed addiction i got signed up to a rehab clinic, this is probably not the best word for it, but a place where I could come and talk to other addicts who had just quit weed...and other drugs, but I didn't see many of these people. However alongside with these group meetings I got to talk to a couple of psychologists, and I think this is what helped the most. On top of that, after going to the clinic for half a year, I got to talk to a doctor who prescribed sertraline for me, internationally known as Zoloft if i'm not mistaken. Now, you can find tons and tons of good and bad review of this medicine on the internet, but what it basically does is blocking the serotonin from leaving your brain....a more detailed explanation of this, you'll have to search google or talk to a doctor.

However, this medicine made a huge impact on me, and my life for that matter... you can go ahead and believe this if you want, and if it sounds like too much of a cliché, it's also ok; however, after a couple of months on the medicine (it takes 3-4 weeks before it has stabelized in your system) i could finally put some of the anxiety away. Which actually made it possible for me to - for the first time in my life - ask a girl out.... at the age of 26. Yes, the problem with anxiety issues like this, is that it'll only build up, and your anxieties will get more and more self-fullfilling the longer you keep them to yourself, and trust me, I know how hard this is to deal with, because that part of you who knows how ridiculous those thoughts are, is also aware that it's so ridiculous people will just laugh at you for even trying to explain it to them. At least that was how I felt about it.

If you're up for it, talk to a doctor about it, and if you have the options I have, seek some professional help before the anxiety takes over completely. I know this is a very delicate matter, and I got lucky that I got pushed into all of this.

However, you were looking for a drug? ...now this might sound like a huge contradiction to many people, but even though I've been through rehab and all that stuff I still can't completely give up on drugs, cause altering your state of mind is just really pleasant from time to time. I don't really like weed anymore, but there's plenty other substances out there. So yeah, to the contradiction. Anxiety is in the family of depressions, and the cure for depressions is serotonin (in my case at least), so if you haven't tried it yet, I really encourage you to try some mdma.. And if this is your first time, I would not encourage a huge ass party with lots of people, but a nice cozy evening with a couple of friends to get an idea of how the drug works.. I had no idea what I got into first the first time, but my first trip on mdma/ecstasy was completely mind blowing, i wouldn't say I lost all anxiety, but I could control it, in a way that only someone with anxiety/depression can understand. And on top of that I was finally capable of talking about it with my very close friend, and we ended up just spending the whole night talking about all these things that we apparently had bottled up for ages. This was a very fulfilling night to me.

Recently, it has become more of a casual happy drug to me though, and yes, for those who know what sertraline is, they'll know that it can't go hand-in-hand with mdma, because they fiddle with the same parts of your brain only in a different manner, but whenever I'm planning a rave or something like that, i have to get off the medicine for a week or two, which I know no doctor in the world would approve of, but I do it anyway, cause I can't contain myself when there's mdma in the air :p

So yeah, I hope at least some of this helps :)

EDIT: I just noticed the long-term part, and I would say that in this case you don't have many options, seek professional help, get your problems sorted out with a psychologist and get a doctor to help you with some sort of medication to ease the anxiety. Then when you feel ready for it, you can get off the medicine without any too big side effects, and you might as well get out of this with a brand new perspective on life.

However, i would still really really encourage an mdma trip, just to feel what it's like to be able to control your anxiety... but only once or twice, because if you take it too much you're FUCKED and you'll need more than just a doctor and a psychologist to ever get out of that shit.


This is a great post, thanks very much. I have considered trying molly this is just another reason to now :).
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: kittiesandpuppies on February 13, 2013, 03:38 am
If you are really asking about the condition as defined by the dsm, you need to seek treatment with a psych, focusing on cognitive-behavioral therapy.  Classical and operant conditioning can be used (and will be more beneficial in the long run) fairly easily to help train a person to be less anxious and more out going.  Someone mentioned Prozac and Zoloft.  I personally dislike anti depressants because of the physical effects.  I know you said you were aware of the addiction properties of benzos, but what about the anti depressants? 
Benzos are weird with me on dosing and strength but DO help with things like anxiety.  I have a sensitivity to the less potent ones, preferring 1-2mg of ativan or xanax if I feel like I am having a panic attack, but seem to have a tolerance to the stronger ones used in med procedures like versed - lets just say I FULLY remember a HORRIBLE procedure.  But, that is probably just the statistical differences in reactions. 

If you are asking about partyin..  Have you ever had benzos?  You said you liked adderall, which is more of an upper, where as benzos are downers.  Different people different reactions, but a benzo would NOT make me a more socially out going person...   Of course, marijuana is a primary choice for many.

I have not had the opportunity to try, but I would be more interested in the mdma that was suggested.  Again, I have NOT tried it, but I have also gotten interested in the rc 25I-NBOMe.  Some people around here have some of the 2c series of rc's.  2ci was the one that always sounded appealing..  There were a lot of raving reviews, but all it did for me was make me feel extremely medicated with narcotics - like how one might feel if they had just been given a shot of iv morphine in the hospital (real hospital experience, super bad with needles), after the rush is gone and all you can feel is the over whelming desire to lay down and close your eyes.  Then I was puking for the next 48 hours. The nbome is not supposed to have the nausea that the 2ci had.  I probably just did not agree with that drug, but decided not to try any more of the 2c series because of that, but REALLY want to try the nbome now.  I find it sad I have not been able to do more research in this area, but if you are wanting social/party things, this is the area I would want to investigate.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: cooksy on February 13, 2013, 04:34 am
Years ago I used to experience some of the same things. For me though it was mainly having to speak in front of others or being in a situation where lots of people are looking at me. Sometimes I would even experience panic attacks in places where there were a lot of people. I told my doc that I didnt want to be on anything long term and he prescribed me propranolol. Its mainly used for people that have high blood pressure. Let me tell you it worked wonders. Its a beta blocker that blocks the chemical that causes your heart rate to go up and feel anxious or panicky. Also in doses used to treat anxiety there isnt much risk for dependency and it doesnt make you feel drugged up like benzos do. I only took it when I knew I was gonna be in a situation where I might feel anxious. For me after I got used to speaking in front of others I found I had the confidence to do so without using the drug. Definitely consider going to a psychiatrist and asking about it. Being that theres a low potential for abuse its easily prescribed.

Also I recently tried ghb and it was an awesome experience. Its like molly but with the care free feeling alcohol gives you. I wouldnt recommend using it to treat your anxiety as it can be addictive both physically and mentally but as far as just having fun a couple nights a month it doesnt get much better than ghb.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: njguido on February 13, 2013, 04:52 am
Alcohol is the king of social lube.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Anyo on February 13, 2013, 05:22 am
Take some mushrooms alone in a shamanic way and you will realise you never needed drugs for anxiety in the first place. Do as much research as possible (and not wikipedia, try erowid instead) and when you feel educated enough you won't have any trouble finding them :)

I agree with you 100% ... there isn't a drug that can help you out in the long run, it is up to u to be able to break out and enjoy the company of others!
This. There are no substances that help you out in the long run, they all fuck you up eventually. Psychedelics can give you a whole new perspective on your life, and an entirely different way to deal with your anxiety.
( Even ketamine had this effect on me, which is a very powerful antidepressant btw, in case your anxiety has deeper roots)

Social anxiety is the only reason I'm on SR. I'm intensely focused on how I look, sound, and act around others an fear being seen in a negative light. I've been feverishly trying to put my finger on my inner turmoil since sophomore year in high school and eventually realized it was social anxiety. I was prescribed prozac at age 18 for a year- didn't do anything at all so I dropped it. I've also experimented with benzo's- they make you feel drunk and uninhibited on the come up, but the comedown magnifies your problems. I've also tried an antipsychotic (seroquel) which made me COMPLETELY normal/calm/relaxed/real for a day. I've yet to experiment more on this, but I feel a throbbing in my head when I take it. The long term side effects make it a big no-no though. I eventually turned to spirituality (starting with Ekhart Tolle's "The Power Of Now" audiobook) which is where the change really started. The ultimate goal is enlightenment (being free of desires and illusions, able to take full command of your mind). Meditation is emphasized, and it can really help put your problems into perspective, but I was never really skilled at this. I eventually learned that psychedelics, particularly LSD, is comparable to meditation and attaining enlightenment the same way a helicoptor is comparable to a rock climber- you can get there MUCH faster. This is now my journey. I've tried LSD a few weeks ago for the first time and it really helped me put my thoughts into perspective. I've learned much more about life as well. It's a drug everyone should do regardless of their condition, but a necessity for us.

The problems of the mind can't be solved on the level of the mind- that's what got you into this mess in the first place. You have to watch your thoughts as they happen and realize that a thought is taking place whenever it is. When you do this, you change your relationship with the thought. Do this not only for thoughts, but for the identities that arise (ego). We all play different roles around different people- but we are none of these identities. Notice when an identity arises and the act of noticing it will distance you from it- you will drop the false role you are playing and step back into your own skin. This act of thought-watching is called mindfulness. Watch the thought, feel the emotion, observe the reaction. This whole process becomes second-nature with LSD.

I wouldn't recommend MDMA as it can permanently deplete your serotonin levels. But if you must, please take caution: wait 7 months between full doses and take vitamins before and after the trip ("preloading"/"postloading"). LSD, however, is completely safe, and actually addresses the thought patterns causing the problems by helping you realize that these misconceptions you have about yourself are nothing more than mind-stuff.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: DrTrance on February 13, 2013, 06:03 am
DMT might help you have a better understanding as it did for me... Hallucinogens (LSD for me) Helped me see by being on it and seeing others on it that we all are weird and i have learned to embrace it...  MDMA will most likely make you feel at least a few moments of having little or no social anxiety and help you work your issues especially if you take it with a person who's advice you respect... but i have found that the best way to cure social anxiety is making a few good friends who have you back in social situations and make you realize its okay to be you.... you can learn things though drugs but you can't take things too far or you'll fall off the edge and ended more of a weirdo then when you started =P  Good luck to you.....

PS-Stay away from the popular street pharms... i haven't seen much good come out of them... (benzos, amphetamine classes, opioids) Weed also makes me very socially awkward though i embrace it now, it didn't make me want to talk to girls back in high school... being i was more interested in the vending machine and my iPod   :D
 
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: shred-the-gnar on February 13, 2013, 07:19 am
i am a hella shy person and kpins would always help me out
plus i love the way the make you feel
but be careful i took to many at once and the make you forget entire days even weeks of ur life
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: UnWizard on February 13, 2013, 07:58 am
GHB can help individuals realize how much love and beauty there is in the world, lower inhibitions, and help you be more social and talkative. It's pretty safe for occasional use (i.e. once a week or so) and is pretty inexpensive. I can't speak highly enough about it for the increased sociability that it can affect!
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: kittiesandpuppies on February 13, 2013, 08:36 am


The problems of the mind can't be solved on the level of the mind- that's what got you into this mess in the first place. You have to watch your thoughts as they happen and realize that a thought is taking place whenever it is. When you do this, you change your relationship with the thought. Do this not only for thoughts, but for the identities that arise (ego). We all play different roles around different people- but we are none of these identities. Notice when an identity arises and the act of noticing it will distance you from it- you will drop the false role you are playing and step back into your own skin. This act of thought-watching is called mindfulness. Watch the thought, feel the emotion, observe the reaction. This whole process becomes second-nature with LSD.


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I tend to disagree.  Most social anxieties start as something that was classically conditioned.  Which means it can be extinguished.  Maybe its ironic I am advocating the drugless approach to this, but statistically, over time, cbt will acheive the best overall results.  If you have any interest at all, start researching what classical conditioning is about, and how vastly many of our behaviors are actually based on them,  Like eating and sleeping, for example.  While there are other medical causes of insomnia, a very common cause is that they have not maintained their habits around sleeping and eating.  Imagine having a nice regular sleep schedule for quite a while of time.  Then, something comes up in your life.  Up all hours of the night, crazy schedules, etc.  You end up going a couple months without good sleep.  Your sleep is probably broken several times through the night, then you start having trouble sleeping at all.  You get your break, and no matter what you do, you cant go to sleep.  This person has lost ALL classical conditioning for sleep.  This person will be able to sleep again.  The easy way is to force yourself on a strict schedule for a week or two, then you should be closer to normal.  Or you can do nothing, take nyquil, go get ambien, and you will drug yourself at least occasionally the rest of your life to sleep. 

Or, you set strict bed times, strict wake up times, dont nap if you are tired.  You need go to bed and wake up routines that last for about 30 minutes or so, EVERY SINGLE DAY.  Try to do low key things as bed time gets closer.  Use dim lighting while getting ready for bed.  I mean, really go all out to create the mood and atmosphere of, this is my bed, this is my bed time, this feels good, Im comfy and relaxed .... and....  asleep.  Same thing when you wake up.    If you lay awake for more than 20 mins, get up and do something low key that involves dim lighting - no computers or phone games or the tv, it just jolts your brain back awake.  After about 20-30, lay down and try again.  Repeat if necessary.

You probably will not get much sleep the first couple days.  For that to work, you can NOT let yourself nap during the day (of course, once things are back to normal in a couple weeks, you can relax the rigidity the schedules and rules or whatever, but its still something to use as a guide. 

The same things can be applied to virtually everything.  Im still in school, but one of the projects we did semester before last maybe, was split into groups using the cbt to treat a problem or symptoms we wanted to work on.  I did weight, how typical.  She did social anxiety, as she is diagnosed and was having problems dealing.  It was pretty bad for her.  We were just students, so did I cure her problem in 14 weeks?  No, but she did make a TON of progress.  She started mingling with students before and after class, she started volunteering for more activities or events.  She has a lil ocd too, which complicates things for her sometimes.  just something to consider.

In the end, I feel like its not quite clear what effect you are looking for.  Are you looking for a pharmacological effect to help relax and be able to give a speech or performance.  Or are you looking for something that is going to let you go say clubbing or whatever it is that you may do? 

Someone mentioned  the street pharms around here werent very good.  I have no knowledge of the benzos around here, my comments on them were based on  pharmaceutical grade prescriptions.  There were a couple things I had thought about ordering if I cam across, but I had also wondered if that was going to be the case..  irl, most of it is people selling their rx'es so quality is not *as* risky as ordering online.  I know the gov has always hated online pharmacies because of the quality, but I never knew how much of that was true, and how much of it was media buzz to scare people.  Are people synthing it themselves or getting medical grade one way or another to resell?
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: StraightThuggin on February 13, 2013, 08:43 am
Xanax.  8)
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: wofisle on February 13, 2013, 09:01 am
personally i like weed...
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Phant on February 16, 2013, 06:12 pm
Thanks for the replies so far everyone. I realize my post was very undetailed so I will try to expand more on my symptoms and what I am looking for.

In social situations with strangers: I usually get very quiet and keep to myself. I feel awkward and like everything I'm doing looks weird and that people are watching. It's not that I don't want to talk, it's more of I can't. I literally can't think of anything to say. I think possibly because I'm to occupied worrying. My brain just feels numb during this. When I'm ln adderall I can think of lots to say and feel confident. Otherwise I would feel unnormal/uncomfortable and kinda zombie like..hard to explain. I have only taken adderall 10 times at most.

When I am with friends though I am usually fine, it might take me a little to feel comfortable but then I can function normally just a little quieter than I would like to be.

Hopefully this helps explain further. Thanks.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: greenFaces9 on February 16, 2013, 06:25 pm
I haven't read much of what the other members wrote to you OP, but this is what I'm going to say ;

If you do start messing with Benzos(alprozolam, diazepam, clonzepam, etc) be careful. They are very addictive and the withdrawals can be deadly. A low dose of alprozolam(xanax) may help you, or even a low dose of diazepam(valium) . Just be careful is all I'm saying, I've seen to many bad things go wrong for abuse of benzo's, hope for the best for you.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: BBB on February 16, 2013, 06:37 pm
Well I always have anxiety because of the drug use.  Drug are the main cause of anxiety.  You can buy herbal medicine on line like anxiclear works the best if you stop using drugs.  Do not go to the DR tahts shit will make you fat and side effects like a mother fucker.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Phant on February 16, 2013, 09:36 pm
GHB can help individuals realize how much love and beauty there is in the world, lower inhibitions, and help you be more social and talkative. It's pretty safe for occasional use (i.e. once a week or so) and is pretty inexpensive. I can't speak highly enough about it for the increased sociability that it can affect!

Are there any good US vendors?
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: blacky646 on February 16, 2013, 11:10 pm
Thanks for the replies so far everyone. I realize my post was very undetailed so I will try to expand more on my symptoms and what I am looking for.

In social situations with strangers: I usually get very quiet and keep to myself. I feel awkward and like everything I'm doing looks weird and that people are watching. It's not that I don't want to talk, it's more of I can't. I literally can't think of anything to say. I think possibly because I'm to occupied worrying. My brain just feels numb during this. When I'm ln adderall I can think of lots to say and feel confident. Otherwise I would feel unnormal/uncomfortable and kinda zombie like..hard to explain. I have only taken adderall 10 times at most.

When I am with friends though I am usually fine, it might take me a little to feel comfortable but then I can function normally just a little quieter than I would like to be.

Hopefully this helps explain further. Thanks.

Dealt with that for most of my life. Get on a low dose course of anti depressants. I recommend citalopram cheap, common, and very safe. 20 mg everyday. It will help in so many ways when i comes to anixty,  For the social situations puff weed and have a beer or two and caffiene or adderall to keep you alert. Really helps for coming out of your shell. Weed is especially helpful for social anxiety 
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: b999 on February 16, 2013, 11:53 pm
Drugs won't help you.  Never never never ever used drugs for issues.  At best it will stunt your growth and stop you from ever dealing with it, but more likely it will just make it worse in the long run.

Face up to your demons.  Force yourself to go out and be social, take up public speaking.  Eventually you will just get over it.  Trust me on this one.

If you use drugs as a prop you'll just ensure that you get less out of life than you rightfully deserve.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Remediless on February 17, 2013, 12:59 am
Drugs won't help you.  Never never never ever used drugs for issues.  At best it will stunt your growth and stop you from ever dealing with it, but more likely it will just make it worse in the long run.

Face up to your demons.  Force yourself to go out and be social, take up public speaking.  Eventually you will just get over it.  Trust me on this one.

If you use drugs as a prop you'll just ensure that you get less out of life than you rightfully deserve.

+1 I totally agree
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: letitbleed on February 17, 2013, 01:02 am
41 - alcohol is the world standard
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: letitbleed on February 17, 2013, 01:03 am
43 - oops, I meant 42. wasn't that the answer to life, the universe and everything?
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Phant on February 17, 2013, 01:11 am
Thanks for the replies so far everyone. I realize my post was very undetailed so I will try to expand more on my symptoms and what I am looking for.

In social situations with strangers: I usually get very quiet and keep to myself. I feel awkward and like everything I'm doing looks weird and that people are watching. It's not that I don't want to talk, it's more of I can't. I literally can't think of anything to say. I think possibly because I'm to occupied worrying. My brain just feels numb during this. When I'm ln adderall I can think of lots to say and feel confident. Otherwise I would feel unnormal/uncomfortable and kinda zombie like..hard to explain. I have only taken adderall 10 times at most.

When I am with friends though I am usually fine, it might take me a little to feel comfortable but then I can function normally just a little quieter than I would like to be.

Hopefully this helps explain further. Thanks.

Dealt with that for most of my life. Get on a low dose course of anti depressants. I recommend citalopram cheap, common, and very safe. 20 mg everyday. It will help in so many ways when i comes to anixty,  For the social situations puff weed and have a beer or two and caffiene or adderall to keep you alert. Really helps for coming out of your shell. Weed is especially helpful for social anxiety

I will look into citalopram. Sometimes weed helps and sometimes it makes things worse.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: dex on February 17, 2013, 04:08 am
Cocaine
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Monty Cantsin on February 17, 2013, 04:20 am
I would suggest Kind Caps,they have high CBD content which eases anxiety. If you smoke try Harlequin or another high CBD strain.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: gambino on February 17, 2013, 04:38 am
Valium, Xanax, almost any benzo
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: FusedL3L4L5 on February 17, 2013, 05:09 am
There were some anti-depressants/anxiety like Paxil that were said to help with this. That is a bad pill if you ask me.

I would go for a little xanax like 0.5 or 1mg if you have no tolerance. I head beta blockers are helpful too but only for physical reactions not mental stress-like symptoms.

I prefer beer, but xanax is a lot less detectable obviously than being shitty drunk or alcohol on your breath.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: gambino on February 17, 2013, 05:25 am
There were some anti-depressants/anxiety like Paxil that were said to help with this. That is a bad pill if you ask me.

I would go for a little xanax like 0.5 or 1mg if you have no tolerance. I head beta blockers are helpful too but only for physical reactions not mental stress-like symptoms.

I prefer beer, but xanax is a lot less detectable obviously than being shitty drunk or alcohol on your breath.

I would say 0.25- 0.5 mg for someone with no tolerance.  1 mg will knock most people out.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: FusedL3L4L5 on February 17, 2013, 05:31 am
oops, I must have a tolerance then :)

I forgot to say xanax and beer will def know you out with no tolerance, or make you feel really good :)   <---- not really the social anxiety answer though :)
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: urgentpenis on February 17, 2013, 12:27 pm
I see a lot of quick fixes here (like benzos) and while no two people are the same, I have found a more sustainable solution for myself. Not just afterwards, I actually made it; no more faking it.
1. 37.5 Affexor (SSRI, similar to zoloft/prozac)
2. 70mg vyvanse in the AM
3. Exercise (light walking is fine if you don't have time to go to the gym, anything is better than stagnance)
4. Don't fap. I'm serious about this one. You know that feeling when you're around people after fapping and it feels like they can tell? This is there more often than you notice, and testosterone actually propels you forward in social situations. Ejaculation saps you of your testosterone and you become withdrawn and unmotivated to put yourself out there. There's a whole lot more info/discussion on this nofap thing at reddit.com/r/nofap (members call themselves 'fapstronauts')
I haven't in almost 50 days and I've never been more generally stoked and outgoing.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: FutureWars on February 17, 2013, 03:41 pm
I find 1.5g of Phenibut very useful when needed.

However, I try to avoid when possible.

Quote from: b999
Drugs won't help you.  Never never never ever used drugs for issues.  At best it will stunt your growth and stop you from ever dealing with it, but more likely it will just make it worse in the long run.

Face up to your demons.  Force yourself to go out and be social, take up public speaking.  Eventually you will just get over it.  Trust me on this one.

If you use drugs as a prop you'll just ensure that you get less out of life than you rightfully deserve.

This is probably the best advice on the thread, but unfortunately it's easier written than done (I don't know how to express this concept in english, sorry guyz)
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: French Tomatos on February 17, 2013, 03:55 pm
Molly
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: blacky646 on February 17, 2013, 10:12 pm
Thanks for the replies so far everyone. I realize my post was very undetailed so I will try to expand more on my symptoms and what I am looking for.

In social situations with strangers: I usually get very quiet and keep to myself. I feel awkward and like everything I'm doing looks weird and that people are watching. It's not that I don't want to talk, it's more of I can't. I literally can't think of anything to say. I think possibly because I'm to occupied worrying. My brain just feels numb during this. When I'm ln adderall I can think of lots to say and feel confident. Otherwise I would feel unnormal/uncomfortable and kinda zombie like..hard to explain. I have only taken adderall 10 times at most.

When I am with friends though I am usually fine, it might take me a little to feel comfortable but then I can function normally just a little quieter than I would like to be.

Hopefully this helps explain further. Thanks.

Dealt with that for most of my life. Get on a low dose course of anti depressants. I recommend citalopram cheap, common, and very safe. 20 mg everyday. It will help in so many ways when i comes to anixty,  For the social situations puff weed and have a beer or two and caffiene or adderall to keep you alert. Really helps for coming out of your shell. Weed is especially helpful for social anxiety

I will look into citalopram. Sometimes weed helps and sometimes it makes things worse.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: 35mg on February 17, 2013, 10:17 pm
@urgentpenis
That nofap theology is 100% broscience.
Higher levels of sperm in your ballsack only means you'd have more wet dreams, not means you'll automatically win at life and get all the bitches and drugs for free in an instance
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: TheSageOfAges on February 17, 2013, 10:20 pm
a pill wont help you for social anxiety, it'll only be a crutch for you, and it could get you dependent on some shitty pill.
You just need to talk to people more, and it'll get better with time. It's not something you can force. Dealing with people is just like any other skill or talent, you're going to have to fuck up before you get better, and feel comfortable doing it.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: blacky646 on February 17, 2013, 10:23 pm


Dealt with that for most of my life. Get on a low dose course of anti depressants. I recommend citalopram cheap, common, and very safe. 20 mg everyday. It will help in so many ways when i comes to anixty,  For the social situations puff weed and have a beer or two and caffiene or adderall to keep you alert. Really helps for coming out of your shell. Weed is especially helpful for social anxiety
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I will look into citalopram. Sometimes weed helps and sometimes it makes things worse.
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Low dose anti depressant really are great for social anxiety. While not necessarily depressed, i still take them everyday cause there are a lot of positives. Fuck the haters not all drugs are crutches. And you gotta drink on the weed if you really wanna be social, although i puff a lot so it doesn't make me weird or introverted just relaxed.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: ZoomZoom on February 17, 2013, 10:26 pm
I just snapped outta my 3 year phunk that I was in a couple days ago. Adderall helped me a bunch at first too until it turned me into the same zombie that I was before taking it. And then not to mention me and my mates would be binging on those stupid things for days upon days. Every battle we fight in life is in our heads :)
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: illuminat on February 17, 2013, 10:33 pm
I was going to say Lorazepam but on second thought it is much safer to Stay the fuck away from people 8)

Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: 35mg on February 17, 2013, 10:42 pm
Oh and I can tell you what not to take:
-stimulants
-clonazepam

It'll only fuck you up even more.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: banonos32 on February 17, 2013, 11:11 pm
I recommend the psychedelic experience to any of my friends who confide any kind of social anxiety in me. I always tell them nothing has given me more perspective on life or provided me with more spiritual comfort than a good trip.

Mushrooms are about as safe and a sure thing as they come- make sure you are in a good set & setting and then blast off! I recommend doing an eighth of them with a few close friends so that you have some people to reflect on the experience with afterwards.

MDMA is also excellent for overcoming any physical anxiety. It's hard to beat a good night dancing to some electronic music!
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: b999 on February 18, 2013, 09:49 am
No DON'T rely on drugs unless it's a medical prescription... drugs are for recreation when used off label, anyone who uses drugs as a crutch will just be a loser for the rest of their life... whatever BS spin.

Have you seen a psych to rule out anything more serious?

Otherwise, seriously, I would recommend getting out MORE... join a public speaking group or anything which gets you out of your comfort zone..  screw 'support', just support yourself and one day you'll just stop giving a s..t what anyone things... trust me, I've been there, I know.  You just gotta push through, and only you can do that.. If you just go popping pills all you will achieve is to line the pockets of drug companies and dealers with no gain for you.

Then the sweet stuff will only taste all the sweeter, if you get my drift.

Stand high young man, stand tall.  You are a divine creation of God, never forget that.  Never any of us forget that.  Whatever your religious stance, you must admit, we're all pretty damn amazing clumps of salts and water that can talk and think and smoke weed... good times.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: FusedL3L4L5 on February 18, 2013, 10:24 am
No DON'T rely on drugs unless it's a medical prescription... drugs are for recreation when used off label, anyone who uses drugs as a crutch will just be a loser for the rest of their life... whatever BS spin.

Have you seen a psych to rule out anything more serious?

Otherwise, seriously, I would recommend getting out MORE... join a public speaking group or anything which gets you out of your comfort zone..  screw 'support', just support yourself and one day you'll just stop giving a s..t what anyone things... trust me, I've been there, I know.  You just gotta push through, and only you can do that.. If you just go popping pills all you will achieve is to line the pockets of drug companies and dealers with no gain for you.

Then the sweet stuff will only taste all the sweeter, if you get my drift.

Stand high young man, stand tall.  You are a divine creation of God, never forget that.  Never any of us forget that.  Whatever your religious stance, you must admit, we're all pretty damn amazing clumps of salts and water that can talk and think and smoke weed... good times.

This is a really good point, I take back what I said before. Support groups: whether they be NA, AA, chronic back pain, overeating, cancer, surviving families, etc are the answer in combination with regular socialization, which Hey! happens at the meetings. They're really friendly.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: b999 on February 18, 2013, 11:17 am
Bingo. Socialisation is the key... just get out there with winners and diverse people....  whatever works for you.. but the other key key is to try to socialise with people who are going places... or are at least making a sincere self driven effort to get somewhere whatever their situation. They will inspire you.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Lentium on February 19, 2013, 06:20 am
I don't know if this has already been said, but if it is a really big problem,schedule an apppointment with your doctor. I had a similar issue when meeting new people and I found it much easier to talk to people on cocaine. Now I don't rely on it as much and meeting new people it definitely easier for me.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: CaptRedeye on February 19, 2013, 06:26 am
Hydroxyzine (Atarax) is prescribed for this.

The nice thing is that it doesn't get you too high if at all. Kinda gives you a DGAF (Don't Give A F***) attitude.

But MDMA is a good idea too.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: b999 on February 19, 2013, 10:59 am
no, seriously, stop that... use all this stuff for fun or insight or whatever... don't use it as a crutch...

I have a firm believe that is an express route in to the dark void of our soul.

Just get yourself out of your comfort zone, take up public speaking... you'll sweat more than a nun in a whorehouse but I guarantee you'll literally, sweat it out.  May even take a few years.

It took me a good five years or so before I felt comfortable, perhaps a solid decade where I just stopped giving a shit, but now I just leap up and speak about whatever, to whoever.

Also ensure you don't have any issues with being 'passive' aggressive... learn to stand up for yourself and set boundaries, develop your confidence, don't take shit from anyone (but do it constructively, don't be aggressive about it).

Follow this recipe, then light a big fat one after, and you'll be dancing on sunshine.. trust me..

Counseling also works well.. but you may need to keep it up for a long time.  Deep trauma is like being constipated, you really need to work to push that shit out.

don't think drugs will fix your problems... they'll only mask them and stunt you.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: phloxstem on February 24, 2013, 06:07 am
Years ago I used to experience some of the same things. For me though it was mainly having to speak in front of others or being in a situation where lots of people are looking at me. Sometimes I would even experience panic attacks in places where there were a lot of people. I told my doc that I didnt want to be on anything long term and he prescribed me propranolol. Its mainly used for people that have high blood pressure. Let me tell you it worked wonders. Its a beta blocker that blocks the chemical that causes your heart rate to go up and feel anxious or panicky. Also in doses used to treat anxiety there isnt much risk for dependency and it doesnt make you feel drugged up like benzos do. I only took it when I knew I was gonna be in a situation where I might feel anxious. For me after I got used to speaking in front of others I found I had the confidence to do so without using the drug. Definitely consider going to a psychiatrist and asking about it. Being that theres a low potential for abuse its easily prescribed.

I totally second this recommendation of propanolol for social anxiety.  A beta blocker doesn't even really feel like a "drug" drug --- you don't feel out of it like with benzos.  I've taken them in combination, in fact, and it works quite well once you know your tolerance for different benzos.  My father is an anesthesiologist and he recommended it to me for public speaking, which I have to do about once a year and it used to tie me up in knots for *months* just anticipating the anxiety.  I think it works primarily to counteract that flush of adrenaline and other chemicals (including cortisol, maybe?) that you get when really panicky in a social situation.

Another sentiment I've noticed in this thread that I will heartily second is that benzos are very different.  Doctors may claim that xanax, klonopin, and valium are essentially the same thing and that multiple scrips are redundant.  I think that's dead wrong.  I actually have scripts for all three for different reasons:  I use klonopin for anxiety, xanax for chronic pain relief and valium only occasionally for insomnia (it gives me a horrible headache the next day).  I mainly use benzos for dealing with a very serious chronic pain problem but I also have generalized anxiety disorder and benzos have literally been a godsend compared with anti-depressants.  I personally haven't had any problems with benzo addiction (when I don't need them when I'm having a "good" pain week I don't even think about them) but I know many other people have struggled with that so it's not something to take lightly.

The only other drugs that I would recommend for severe anxiety are strong opiates or narcotics, but that's an "emergency" type treatment, not really feasible for daily (and definitely not social) anxiety.  Dilaudid works wonders for extreme anxiety from pain (I've heard a another patient poetically describe it as "a warm shower inside your own body" and that's a great description) but you're high as a kite so it wouldn't work for your needs, I think.  But maybe good to try in pill form for at-home emergencies.

The only anti-anxiety drug I would strongly advise against would be Atropine.  Maybe other people love it but I think it's not that great and the hangover is beastly.

I know I'm preaching to the converted on this forum but drugs can work miracles for body pain and pain in your soul.  Anxiety is a sneaky bitch and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.  Keep fighting the good fight and best of luck to you.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: wraithe on February 24, 2013, 06:52 am
i havent read all 4 pages and havent done mdma.  But I was told mdma drains the serotonin in your body, so after he did the mdma wouldnt the next 2-4 weeks be hell because his body would be completely depleted of serotonin? i know there are vitamins to help boost serotonin etc but Im just curious and padding my psots.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Portnoy on March 04, 2013, 09:40 am
i havent read all 4 pages and havent done mdma.  But I was told mdma drains the serotonin in your body, so after he did the mdma wouldnt the next 2-4 weeks be hell because his body would be completely depleted of serotonin? i know there are vitamins to help boost serotonin etc but Im just curious and padding my psots.

Well you wouldn't want to do it as much as you say he would. Besides the long term effect are bad enough, like if you crack your back you'll get like a fucking really bad MDMA trip because about something inside the spinal fluid.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: hermes on March 04, 2013, 10:37 am
Spend more time pursuing the things you enjoy. Find real satisfaction in your life and proceed to not give a fuck about saying the right thing or impressing other people. Be yourself, and allow other people to do the same.

You can try going for a run or something that gets you physically or mentally active before going into a social situation. You might be surprised at how it can change your mood/state of awareness.

And I find a couple of drinks always works well for me if I find myself a little wound up.
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: kalymist on March 04, 2013, 10:40 am
You should stop all drugs.

Do some exercice and just work on paranoia.


Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on March 04, 2013, 11:06 am
MDMA helps
Title: Re: What to take for social anxiety?
Post by: zvp1014 on March 04, 2013, 10:32 pm
Long-term? SNRIs, NaSSAs.

In the moment/as a PRN? beta-blockers, benzodiazepams.

Illegally? Indica weed, MDMA.