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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: David Nobody on April 24, 2013, 02:55 pm
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Never done Acid (LSD) but it's been on my mind for a while now. Definetly want to try it, but I have great Respect for it. Don't really know if it's just stupid or some truth in it. Read a lot about LSD and, you know, all the mainstream bullshit warns you against a horror trip and stuff like that.
Is there a high Possibility of it???
Have anybody of you ever experienced a horror trip???
When taking LSD the first time, should i take mdma with it???
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Never done Acid (LSD) but it's been on my mind for a while now. Definetly want to try it, but I have great Respect for it. Don't really know if it's just stupid or some truth in it. Read a lot about LSD and, you know, all the mainstream bullshit warns you against a horror trip and stuff like that.
Is there a high Possibility of it???
Have anybody of you ever experienced a horror trip???
When taking LSD the first time, should i take mdma with it???
Don't take MDMA with it. Try LSD and try MDMA, but not in the same time.
I've never had a bad trip with LSD. I almost have one once, but it was like that just because nearly everything that could go wrong that day, went wrong that day.
I think LSD (real LSD!) is the safest of all drugs. And for me it's the #2 better (pot rules!).
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No, not a high possibility, and you have some influence over this. Lots of people have offered suggestions in these forums and elsewhere, but to repeat some basics: ensure a safe, predictable environment. Have a sober sitter if it comforts you (someone you know and trust). Go easy on the dose your first time. Be feeling positive - a bit of apprehension is normal but if you've just had an awful day don't cap it off with your first trip - save it for another time. Also, know that a bad trip is just a bad trip. If it happened and it probably won't, it will not break you. Write yourself post-it notes and stick them up in your environment. "Relax. This is temporary. You are ok." etc. Have some good music handy. Enjoy.
I have had negative trips but I've never had a "bad" trip on LSD (what you would call a horror trip). I have had them on shrooms, a few times, and yeah, they can be bad. Existential horror is a lot worse than nightmare imagery, which really only scratches the surface. But again, control your dose, choose your environment, self-assess, and remember that you'll come out the other side just fine.
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Set and setting, my friend. I used to think LSD was something mystical back in the days when I first started consuming it, but now I think I'm slowly coming to the realization that it's simply a chemical working on your brain, which in turn shakes up your mind/psyche. That's not to say that I don't have the utmost respect for this substance, I really do. Heck, I've learned more about myself through its trips than in most of my life experiences. I don't really know what you mean by horror trip, though. Are you talking about bad trips that turn into real life train wrecks? Bad trips are very possible, just as good trips are. This is all dependent on the environment you find yourself in while tripping, and the mindset and intention you possess prior to tripping. Even having the right set and setting won't ensure you have a good trip, but it'll increase the chance of it being one. If you have any type of psychological baggage, expect it to rise to the surface. Everything will rise to the surface on this -- you'll truly be exploring your psyche. If you have some things unresolved in your mind, expect that to come up. Don't be scared, though, these issues have the potential of being resolved on this. This isn't a recreational drug, although experienced users may treat it as such. As for bad trips that turn into train wrecks, those are possible, but again, it depends on external and internal factors. Trip in a setting you deem comfortable, and run everything through with a sitter prior to the trip. If at some point you feel like being alone during the trip, have a designated spot where you can go in privacy. It should be noted that one's cumulative psyche has a role in the formation of a trip. For example, I've had issues with depression and some suicidal thinking in the past prior to tripping, and in some of my trips those negative thoughts resurfaced. I never did anything rash (cried a lot, though), but that's me. People have different personalities and psyches and react differently. All in all, be careful, plan things out, and try not to think too much beforehand, even though all of the information that's been handed to you will probably give you a lot to think about.
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Thanks for the replies... it helped a lot
What place would you guys prefer to stay while tripping. Of course a place you're comfortable with I guess. But should it be a quiet place (eg. at home) or maybe a bar or club you really like and you've been a lot to???
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Thanks for the replies... it helped a lot
What place would you guys prefer to stay while tripping. Of course a place you're comfortable with I guess. But should it be a quiet place (eg. at home) or maybe a bar or club you really like and you've been a lot to???
Definitely a quiet place.
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I'm about to divulge to you a great, well-kept secret of the universe that is the best advice for a first time acid trip:
Relax.
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I had a horror trip with LSD. It can't really be described. It's a sense of total self-annihilation. You are entrapped within an awareness that is infinitely greater than yourself. You cease to exist as an individual There's only Big Mind. Anyone who tells you that LSD isn't "mystical" has not experienced Big Mind. Acquaintance with Big Mind can be Heaven or Hell, depending on your reaction to it.
Deception is also at work here. Some people who have glimpsed Big Mind don't want other people to know about it. They think it's for your own good. They think it might damage you psychologically. And they may be right. They'll tell you "LSD is just a chemical", "LSD isn't spiritual", etc. The truth is we are nothing but an image inside of the Mind of something infinitely greater than us. We don't exist. We are held captive inside of a larger mind who exerts total control over us.... We have about as much reality as the characters inside of a novel or computer game. LSD can show you this. That's why it was put on this earth. That's why it's a synthetic chemical, too. Except for a few saints and sages, the mass of humanity wasn't meant to know it at an earlier stage in the history of our civilisation.
The risk of LSD is existential and spiritual, not psychological or physical. That's why people are so afraid of it, and will try to discourage you from experimenting with it. Even other psychedelic users will try to discourage you, because they know what LSD can do, all other psychedelics only touch the surface of Big Mind, or lead you astray down the false path of hallucination and feeling-based spirituality.
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Acidhead sounds like he/she's got a head full of acid.
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Since you are anxious about it, I recommend that you start on a low dose, 100ug and work your way up by 50-100ug (depending on how comfortable you feel after). Create a calm atmosphere with a few soundtracks (compile all your feel-good songs), activities, eye candy, etc. Prepare food and drink beforehand and have them readily available. Also try to have someone with you who has done acid before --not entirely necessary at 100ug but couldn't hurt to have company on the off chance you need something explained.
I think being outdoors is ideal but not always practical. Try to spend some of it outdoors if only for some fresh air and a quick walk. And definitely step outside if you start to feel anxious.
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Prepare food and drink beforehand and have them readily available.
And for the love of your god, make sure it's food that's easy on the stomach. No greasy pizza or a bucket of fries, unless you want to feel bloated and nauseous the whole trip. I prefer to take Lucy on an empty stomach, but I do find that having small snacks around (unsalted peanuts, cranberries, bread and whatnot) is a good idea. Oranges/clementines/tangerines and what-have-you are especially fun to peel and eat on LSD.
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Acidhead, please stop imposing your subjectivity on others as the one and only truth. Just because you've experienced a mystical experience on LSD does not mean the substance itself is mystical. What you are attributing to this substance should rather be attributed to yourself. What you are talking about is not original or secretive, and sounds awfully similar to the relationship between Atman and Brahman in Hinduism (Atman is a drop of water, and Brahman is the infinite ocean, as an analogy), amongst other ideas in Hindu philosophy. LSD is nothing but a catalyst, and it's semi-synthetic, not completely synthetic as you've stated. There has been speculation that ergoline alkaloids have been used in antiquity during religious ceremonies, e.g., the Eleusinian Mysteries, so I don't understand your claim that we weren't meant to discover "mystical substances" such as LSD. Also, the Natives of North America have had mystical experiences on peyote for centuries, so how is your reasoning applied in that case? They were meant to have mystical experiences, but Europeans weren't?
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Acidhead, please stop imposing your subjectivity on others as the one and only truth. Just because you've experienced a mystical experience on LSD does not mean the substance itself is mystical. What you are attributing to this substance should rather be attributed to yourself.
I would say that LSD /occasions/ a mystical experience; I would not say that it /causes/ the experience. And I don't think there is anything subjective about the experience itself, as it transcends the subject-object dichotomy; there is no experiencing 'subject', and thus it cannot be called a subjective experience. But there's also no 'object' of consciousness, so it can't be called objective either. It is simply beyond human understanding.
What you are talking about is not original or secretive, ...
I did not give the impression that it is an original idea. On the contrary, the LSD experience of transcendent unity with Big Mind is the archetypal spiritual experience. It is the essential nuclear characteristic of all mysticism, in all religions and all cultures. All other spiritual experiences are lesser than this, or derivative from it. It is the original source of all doctrines concerning the existence of 'God'. It is the Brahman in Hinduism, the One of Neoplatonic philosophy, the Christ-consciousness that Jesus experienced (the 'second coming' is the awakening of Christ in one's own Self), the 'inner light' of Quakerism, 'Satori' in Zen Buddhism, etc. The difference with LSD is that it is not the result of religious practice and discipline. It happens suddenly. Hence, one may not be prepared to for it.
and it's semi-synthetic, not completely synthetic as you've stated.
My point is that that the 'unity' cannot have been known to the masses until the advent of LSD, which can only be produced on a mass scale at a relatively advanced stage of human civilisation. Except for a few saints and sages, the mass of humanity could not have had such an experience at any earlier stage in the history of Western civilisation. I take it as axiomatic that all things are controlled and directed by Big Mind for a specific purpose. From this I infer that LSD was introduced into history during the 20th century for a reason (Big Mind controls Albert Hoffman, as it does all things). My guess is that it was intended for the transition of Western civilisation consciousness into a higher plane of awareness.
There has been speculation that ergoline alkaloids have been used in antiquity during religious ceremonies, e.g., the Eleusinian Mysteries,
And this was a very secretive and initiatory sect.
Also, the Natives of North America have had mystical experiences on peyote for centuries, so how is your reasoning applied in that case? They were meant to have mystical experiences, but Europeans weren't?
I was talking specifically about our civilisation. OUR civilisation (as a whole) wasn't meant to know these things until the 20th century, which explains the relative paucity of psilocybin mushrooms in Europe, the mysticism suppression of mystical sects within Christianity, etc. It's only with the advent of acid that mystical satori type experiences can be as it were given to the masses. This is not without meaning or significance.
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I had a horror trip with LSD. It can't really be described. It's a sense of total self-annihilation. You are entrapped within an awareness that is infinitely greater than yourself. You cease to exist as an individual There's only Big Mind. Anyone who tells you that LSD isn't "mystical" has not experienced Big Mind. Acquaintance with Big Mind can be Heaven or Hell, depending on your reaction to it.
Deception is also at work here. Some people who have glimpsed Big Mind don't want other people to know about it. They think it's for your own good. They think it might damage you psychologically. And they may be right. They'll tell you "LSD is just a chemical", "LSD isn't spiritual", etc. The truth is we are nothing but an image inside of the Mind of something infinitely greater than us. We don't exist. We are held captive inside of a larger mind who exerts total control over us.... We have about as much reality as the characters inside of a novel or computer game. LSD can show you this. That's why it was put on this earth. That's why it's a synthetic chemical, too. Except for a few saints and sages, the mass of humanity wasn't meant to know it at an earlier stage in the history of our civilisation.
The risk of LSD is existential and spiritual, not psychological or physical. That's why people are so afraid of it, and will try to discourage you from experimenting with it. Even other psychedelic users will try to discourage you, because they know what LSD can do, all other psychedelics only touch the surface of Big Mind, or lead you astray down the false path of hallucination and feeling-based spirituality.
Sorry to burst your bubble but thats not a horror trip, thats ego death followed by re birth. In my mind thats the epitome of the psychedelic experience, reality in its purest form. Its the most terrifying, enlightening, beautiful and humble experience you can have. I my self have only experienced it once on mushrooms and it changed my life in the best way possible. Granted its helped me realize what a fucked up world we live in but its also shown me beauty in the most fundamental terms.
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respect can never be stupid i think :)
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I had a horror trip with LSD. It can't really be described. It's a sense of total self-annihilation. You are entrapped within an awareness that is infinitely greater than yourself. You cease to exist as an individual There's only Big Mind. Anyone who tells you that LSD isn't "mystical" has not experienced Big Mind. Acquaintance with Big Mind can be Heaven or Hell, depending on your reaction to it.
Deception is also at work here. Some people who have glimpsed Big Mind don't want other people to know about it. They think it's for your own good. They think it might damage you psychologically. And they may be right. They'll tell you "LSD is just a chemical", "LSD isn't spiritual", etc. The truth is we are nothing but an image inside of the Mind of something infinitely greater than us. We don't exist. We are held captive inside of a larger mind who exerts total control over us.... We have about as much reality as the characters inside of a novel or computer game. LSD can show you this. That's why it was put on this earth. That's why it's a synthetic chemical, too. Except for a few saints and sages, the mass of humanity wasn't meant to know it at an earlier stage in the history of our civilisation.
The risk of LSD is existential and spiritual, not psychological or physical. That's why people are so afraid of it, and will try to discourage you from experimenting with it. Even other psychedelic users will try to discourage you, because they know what LSD can do, all other psychedelics only touch the surface of Big Mind, or lead you astray down the false path of hallucination and feeling-based spirituality.
Sorry to burst your bubble but thats not a horror trip, thats ego death followed by re birth. In my mind thats the epitome of the psychedelic experience, reality in its purest form. Its the most terrifying, enlightening, beautiful and humble experience you can have. I my self have only experienced it once on mushrooms and it changed my life in the best way possible. Granted its helped me realize what a fucked up world we live in but its also shown me beauty in the most fundamental terms.
Ego death can be the most horrifying of all psychedelic journeys. It can also be the most blissful. It depends on how you individually react to it. My first ego death experience was hell. Not just scary, but the worst possible thing I can conceive of experiencing. It was only after this bad trip that I had beautiful experiences with LSD.
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Just be in a good place mentally and have a great set and setting and you will be fine.. If something does start to bring you down at all change what you are doing. Go for a walk, kiss someone, change your music..
If its your first time, while its never been my thing, get a trip sitter who has done it before and can help guide or talk you out of a dark place if you wander there (mentally speaking)
Try LSD on it own, feel it out once you know it.. Try it with some MDMA.. Take the LSD first and after a few hours take the MDMA Wonderful mix!
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I would say that LSD /occasions/ a mystical experience; I would not say that it /causes/ the experience. And I don't think there is anything subjective about the experience itself, as it transcends the subject-object dichotomy; there is no experiencing 'subject', and thus it cannot be called a subjective experience. But there's also no 'object' of consciousness, so it can't be called objective either. It is simply beyond human understanding.
As long as you recognize that it's just a catalyst... It does not transcend the subject-object dichotomy. You may transcend it in your own mental trip, but not in this physical reality.
And this was a very secretive and initiatory sect.
Well, it is highly doubtful they had full-on psychedelic trips while drinking the kykeon. They might have felt something, but nothing significant to call it a trip. I just don't buy your whole hypothesis that LSD was destined to by synthesized in the 20th century so as to impact our civilization on a grand scale. My point was that psychedelic substances/precursors have been around. Europe still had mushrooms; surely they would have been a big deal amongst the people, which would have led everyone to try them, but it wasn't. Unless you know of some pre-Christian laws which forbid people living around magic mushrooms to consume them...
Listen, the purpose of LSD is not the issue here, that's all speculatory, but I don't find it ethical to claim that the risks involved with LSD are spiritual in nature instead of psychological. This is coming from someone who isn't an atheist and who believes there actually might be a spirit realm. The effects of LSD are psychological and really can influence someone's reality in this world. You can believe that you can tune into some other dimension of unity/oneness on psychedelics, but don't go around saying that risks/effects have nothing to do with this physical world, with our individual psyches.
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I would say that LSD /occasions/ a mystical experience; I would not say that it /causes/ the experience. And I don't think there is anything subjective about the experience itself, as it transcends the subject-object dichotomy; there is no experiencing 'subject', and thus it cannot be called a subjective experience. But there's also no 'object' of consciousness, so it can't be called objective either. It is simply beyond human understanding.
As long as you recognize that it's just a catalyst... It does not transcend the subject-object dichotomy. You may transcend it in your own mental trip, but not in this physical reality.
And this was a very secretive and initiatory sect.
Well, it is highly doubtful they had full-on psychedelic trips while drinking the kykeon. They might have felt something, but nothing significant to call it a trip. I just don't buy your whole hypothesis that LSD was destined to by synthesized in the 20th century so as to impact our civilization on a grand scale. My point was that psychedelic substances/precursors have been around. Europe still had mushrooms; surely they would have been a big deal amongst the people, which would have led everyone to try them, but it wasn't. Unless you know of some pre-Christian laws which forbid people living around magic mushrooms to consume them...
Listen, the purpose of LSD is not the issue here, that's all speculatory, but I don't find it ethical to claim that the risks involved with LSD are spiritual in nature instead of psychological. This is coming from someone who isn't an atheist and who believes there actually might be a spirit realm. The effects of LSD are psychological and really can influence someone's reality in this world. You can believe that you can tune into some other dimension of unity/oneness on psychedelics, but don't go around saying that risks/effects have nothing to do with this physical world, with our individual psyches.
of course a negative mystical experience can have psychological repercussions. but the central danger of LSD, and all other psychedelics, is existential and spiritual. the bad psychological effects are a consequence of a negative experience of ego dissolution into boundless unity....the anxiety and paranoia are caused by the fear of ego dissolution / losing control.... but it's all leading up to the Unity. A lot of LSD users never make it to the Unity. And yes the Unity does transcend the subject-object dichotomy; if you think otherwise, I'm geussing you may have experienced something close to it or leading up to it, but if you think you retain a separate subjective self, you're not talking about the unity; we're talking about two separate things.
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I don't think we're talking about two separate things, I'm just confused about the context. Let me just ask: is this experience you're talking about occurring internally or externally, that is, does this experience actually transcend one from this physical world? If yes, then I'm sorry, but I cannot accept this, for the sole reason that the mind is being influenced tremendously by a physical chemical compound. That was my initial major gripe, if I understood you correctly. On the other hand, if you believe this experience is occurring internally, that's fine. For example, if someone channeled into the spirit world through a psychedelic, I'd be fine with this as long as the person admits that it is occurring internally. I hope you understand my line of reasoning and my question.
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I don't think we're talking about two separate things, I'm just confused about the context. Let me just ask: is this experience you're talking about occurring internally or externally, that is, does this experience transcend this physical world?
It is both transcendent and immanent in the created order. To say that it is 'within the mind' is meaningless to my thinking; consciousness is present in all levels of existence. My life is happening inside the mind of something greater than myself. It could even be on a recorded medium, but I prefer the analogy of the dream rather than the computer. The computer terrifies me. If it's a computer, then we are all doomed. To me the psychedelic experience is like waking up. My finite mind loses itself and dissolves into Big Mind. Big Mind is more real than my little mind. I don't have to explain Big Mind in terms of little mind. Just imagine if the characters you encountered in a dream started to think they are more real than the Mind that dreams them into existence. LOL! We all need to admit that we are nothing but thought-images inside the mind of God. This is terrifying and liberating; terrifying, because Big Mind exercises total control over us; liberating, because we can do no wrong. All is permitted! I think we will all find this out on our own eventually.
If yes, then I'm sorry, but I cannot accept this, for the sole reason that the mind is being influenced tremendously by a physical chemical compound.
I don't ask you to accept it. You will find it anyway.
On the other hand, if you believe this experience is occurring internally, that's fine.
I don't recognise any distinction between the internal and the external.
For example, if someone channeled into the spirit world through a psychedelic, I'd be fine with this as long as the person admits that it is occurring internally. I hope you understand my line of reasoning and my question.
The spirit world is immanent in the physical universe itself. It is not some other realm standing apart from creation. It is the Mind at work in the universe; the mind in things, not standing apart from them or above them.
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I think there is some really good advice here. Especially the relax comment.
It's an amazing substance and you are approaching the idea correctly. It's good to be cautious.
I don't think that it goes well with big parties and too much commotion like raves for your first time because all of your senses are amplified and you want to avoid being anxious and overpowered by too much. I mean...a blade of grass can become the most interesting thing in the whole world but a lot of people you don't know can make you uncomfortable. As many have said, set and setting are important but a lot of people don't grasp what it means. One response was RELAX and that's the best thing you can do IMO.
Try to have at least one friend with you that you trust unconditionally who will be tripping too and if you guys are in a safe place you'll be fine. This may sound too cautious but it might be a good idea to have someone there with you who knows what it's like and can be like your guide. They should be the type of person you feel at ease around in every situation. Someone who is experienced and kind. You need a person that is experienced AND sober though. Have fun. Oh. And just a warning: If you enjoy your time and continue to do it here and there make sure that you stay physically and mentally healthy and take long breaks between the times you trip. If you don't you could very possibly turn into a huge toad. j/k Have fun. Be safe. Don't mix it with anything other than marijuana the first time and always avoid mixing it with speed.
One last thing.
SCIENCE.
Don't let anyone ruin your "personal" experience with their deluded thoughts of reality *cough* *cough*
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One last thing.
SCIENCE.
Don't let anyone ruin your "personal" experience with their deluded thoughts of reality *cough* *cough*
If this is a reference to my posts, I see nothing but harmonious unity between my views and modern science. But I agree with you, one shouldn't have any preconceptions. and if you take LSD just to get fucked up you won't have a spiritual experience And that is a misuse of the drug. It should be used primarily for spiritual purposes. If you just want to get fucked up, one shouldnt take pssychedelics. why toy around with LSD if you are just going to use it recreationally. Sorry if I am incoherent.
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De gustibus non est disputandum, acidhead. You may be right and I may be wrong... You may be onto something, but I don't like your notion that all is permitted. Even if your major premise is correct about big mind dreaming us all, you're just expanding to include implications you deem to be logically valid. Maybe in a deep sense you're right about free will. I question free will, too. As Schopenhauer once said, "Man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills." Still, there's something wrong and troubling about this on a fundamental level. I get what the compatibilists are saying about free will, but I also get what the incompatibilists are saying about free will. Anyway, philosophy aside, I would be more inclined to believe in this worldview of yours if all people had identical, or at least very similar, trips to the one you described. That clearly is not the case, so either there are people who are predetermined/programmed to experience this secret truth, or you're wrong and it's just a subjective experience. Again, I don't know who's right, but I will continue to believe in what I believe until I am privy to new information; and, in my opinion, it's much safer, generally speaking, for a tripper to take his/her trip with a grain of salt.
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De gustibus non est disputandum, acidhead. You may be right and I may be wrong... You may be onto something, but I don't like your notion that all is permitted. Even if your major premise is correct about big mind dreaming us all, you're just expanding to include implications you deem to be logically valid. Maybe in a deep sense you're right about free will. I question free will, too. As Schopenhauer once said, "Man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills." Still, there's something wrong and troubling about this on a fundamental level. I get what the compatibilists are saying about free will, but I also get what the incompatibilists are saying about free will. Anyway, philosophy aside, I would be more inclined to believe in this worldview of yours if all people had identical, or at least very similar, trips to the one you described. That clearly is not the case, so either there are people who are predetermined/programmed to experience this secret truth, or you're wrong and it's just a subjective experience. Again, I don't know who's right, but I will continue to believe in what I believe until I am privy to new information; and, in my opinion, it's much safer, generally speaking, for a tripper to take his/her trip with a grain of salt.
i think it is important to mention these things because people need to know what they are getting into. They need to know all the risks involved. And the greatest danger of LSD is that you might wake up from this dream and discover that you're God. Even if it's delusion -- which I don't believe for a moment -- that is the great danger of taking LSD, at least in higher dosages. I used to be an atheist, so I know how absurd this sounds to people who have never experienced what I am talking about. It all sounds ridiculous until you have experienced Big Mind. Then everything becomes clear. And the reason it sounds absurd is because it can't be described in language. When you try to say what it is, you end up saying something else. Like when I say 'big mind', etc., -- that's just a metaphor that doesn't capture a single aspect of what I am trying to say. :( :( :(
As regards the supposed disagreements concerning the content of the LSD experience: As other people have pointed out, the common dosage of LSD since its prohibition (1968) has been roughly 30-50ug. Most people who have any opinion on LSD base their opinion on their experience with these lower dosages which are only sufficient to evoke some of the aesthetic pleasures of LSD - not enough to transcend the ego and dissolve into Big Mind. According to Grof and Timothy Leary, this 'unity' type mystical experience is reported by 80-90 percent of patients in LSD psychotherapy sessions with dosages ranging from 200ug to 600ug. So it's a pretty common experience among whose who have taken enough acid. There is also widespread agreement concerning the nature of mystical experience in general (see Stace's "Mysticism and Philosophy" and Frithjof Schuon's "The Transcendental Unity of Religions"). Because mystical experience is universal across cultures, verifiable to anyone willing to take the necessary steps to become a witness to it, as well as orderly and lawful, it is very likely to be true. At least, these are the criteria by which we judge the phenomena of our senses to be real (orderliness and verifiability) -- if you want to verify that Jupiter has a moon, you become a witness to it by looking through the telescope. If it's orderly and lawful, it isn't an illusion. Of course, some people would rather not look through the telescope.
I consider free will to be a question of identity. If you identify yourself with the Absolute Intelligence, then you are free, because it alone is in control. If you identify only with your finite ego, you only have the illusion of freedom.
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I my self have only experienced it once on mushrooms and it changed my life in the best way possible.
How did it change your life? I constantly read that LSD or other drugs could change your life. But I do not quite understand what is being changed. People say that they "look at things differently now"; but does it change the behavior?
What did actually change after your trip? Does any trip affect your life?
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Acidhead, those patients may have had unity type mystical experiences, but we do not know the exact content of those experiences; they're simply lumped into one category, and those results are from a particular group of people with psychological issues. We can have a poll right now in order to see how many people have actually experienced what you're talking about on dosages ranging from 200-600 ug, and that would draw from a wide variety of people.
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I my self have only experienced it once on mushrooms and it changed my life in the best way possible.
How did it change your life? I constantly read that LSD or other drugs could change your life. But I do not quite understand what is being changed. People say that they "look at things differently now"; but does it change the behavior?
What did actually change after your trip? Does any trip affect your life?
It completely shifted my thought processes, significantly shifted my perception of reality at the most fundamental level. I believe the most important thing that changed was i got the change to rebuild my ego and conscious mind from scratch. There was a period after i came back into reality, the first few days after my rebirth where i had no attachments to anything it was literally like i was able to look past my ego and preconceptions i had built up over the years and deiced what to keep and what to throw out. the most amazing part is that its been almost 3 years now and im still in awe. Personally i think acidhead is taking a powerful psychedelic experience and trying to explain the unexplainable through a new found belief in a higher power, something i have been hoping will die off as humans evolve but people want explanations of why the sun comes up and why they can visit a plane of reality they cant normally interact with. Who knows she could be right but the majority of people who experience ego death do not take away a new found belief in god from it, i think its her coping mechanism.
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You people don't even realize it, but the fact that your thoughts feel strange to you - like something or someone is controlling you - is likely a full-blown psychosis!
I've had the same experience on 'Shrooms (Norwegian Psilocybe Semilanceata) and LSD, though mostly when mixed with Cannabis or Hashish. You better be aware- and take care!
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*sighs*
All this spiritual bullshit delegitimizes the value of taking LSD. It's usefulness is found in it being a great creative tool; it is helpful for thinking of new ideas. This creativity can be used to find insight into your life (by looking at yourself from a different perspective), or perhaps inspire you in an art field.
In terms of long lasting changes of perception while not on the drug- all I've found is that I pay more attention to detail; perhaps I'll notice something in a photo I hadn't previously, or become more acutely aware of my senses.
The only other benefit past these is that with the proper set and setting it's simply fun. People need to enjoy life more.
It is not spiritual. Spirits do not exist.
It does not allow you to transcend this world. This is a physical impossibility.
A common misconception about LSD is that it induces delirium (e.g; seeing things that aren't there) whereas it simply warps the environment you're currently in. It does seem to have one delirious effect, however– it convinces dumbasses that there are spirits/gods/deities and other fictitious bullshit.
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All this spiritual bullshit delegitimizes the value of taking LSD.
You're just a typical dogmatic, narrow-minded atheist who hates religion, so you're mad that people are having essentially religious experiences with psychedelics. Well, we're gonna continue having spiritual experiences, whether you like it or not. U mad?
It's usefulness is found in it being a great creative tool; it is helpful for thinking of new ideas. This creativity can be used to find insight into your life (by looking at yourself from a different perspective), or perhaps inspire you in an art field.
LSD is about many things. Only philistines are preoccupied solely with the "uses" of things. The LSD experience is valuable in itself, quite apart from whatever "uses" you can make of it.
It is not spiritual. Spirits do not exist.
Spirit is immanent in what you call the physical world. It's not some imaginary realm standing apart from this reality. This world itself is transcendent, spiritual, and divine.
It does not allow you to transcend this world.
You don't know what transcendence is. You think it's some imaginary realm standing apart from this world. The transcendent is that which is immanent in creation.
This is a physical impossibility.
The universe is consciousness-based. Consciousness is resident in every aspect of the physical world.
it convinces dumbasses that there are spirits/gods/deities and other fictitious bullshit.
Spirit is simply consciousness. Consciousness is hardly fictitious.
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0/10, would not read again.
"The Scientist" is a huge misnomer. Consider changing your name to "The Sheep."
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Why do people feel the need to come and hate on people for having positive experiences they dont agree with? It makes me wonder if these people have ever taken a psychedelics or even read anything about them that wasn't propaganda.
Can powerful psychedelics change your perspective and therefore reality yes absolutely. Can they connect you with a higher power, who knows.
Reality is a hallucination, entirely based on the observers prospective. When that perspective gets shifted reality changes at a fundamental level. It has been proven that observation can change natural phenomena, conscious observation is capable of many amazing things.
There is more to this world than we know, dont discount others experiences just because they dont line up with your own. KEEP AND OPEN MIND.
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Our consensus reality is not a hallucination. It is true that we don't have direct access to it, but that is not grounds for dismissing it as a hallucination.
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Our consensus reality is not a hallucination. It is true that we don't have direct access to it, but that is not grounds for dismissing it as a hallucination.
Im not dismissing it, im saying that observing reality changes it without you knowing it changed. Hallucination just means that your perceiving something that isnt whats really there. Think about how everyone sees the world differently from everyone else, their own perception is changing what they perceive as reality. The core of the point im making is no one can see whats "real" unbiasedly, no one person knows what real is. We just need to keep our minds open and not write people off because they dont view the world in a similar manner.
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Dude you are eventually gonna try it. Just make sure you are in an excellent mood for it. You have to be in the mood for LSD. I would advise strongly against dropping it in a place where there is a lot of people you don't know.
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"Hallucinations are real to the people who hallucinate them."
-----Dr. Lawrence Krauss
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It is not spiritual. Spirits do not exist.
It does not allow you to transcend this world. This is a physical impossibility.
sounds like someone's never smoked dmt or drank ayahuasca... ;D
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Your questions are the same I had.
A very good book for you to read now, before going on with your doubts and questions, would be: "the psychedelic explorer guide" from James Fadiman!
Read that book, take your time to assimilate the knowledge that's in it and then have your first experience without any doubt or fear.
LSD is the most beautifull that ever happened to me,
but the intensity can be much to handle at some times if you're not expecting it.
This book will tell you how to use it, in what context and it will also explain you what can go wrong, how to avoid it and what impact it can have on your further life.
You'll love it.
If you respect it, it'll respect you.
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Acid is pretty awesome if the mood is right :)
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Your questions are the same I had.
A very good book for you to read now, before going on with your doubts and questions, would be: "the psychedelic explorer guide" from James Fadiman!
Read that book, take your time to assimilate the knowledge that's in it and then have your first experience without any doubt or fear.
LSD is the most beautifull that ever happened to me,
but the intensity can be much to handle at some times if you're not expecting it.
This book will tell you how to use it, in what context and it will also explain you what can go wrong, how to avoid it and what impact it can have on your further life.
You'll love it.
If you respect it, it'll respect you.
never read that. i'll have to check it out. i highly recommend the psychedelic experience to anyone interested in these states. you can read it on the clearnet here: http://deoxy.org/psyexp.htm
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Why do people feel the need to come and hate on people for having positive experiences they dont agree with? It makes me wonder if these people have ever taken a psychedelics or even read anything about them that wasn't propaganda.
I feel the need as you're spreading harmful lies and diminishing the credibility of LSD with spiritual mumbo jumbo. Did a reported 600 µg just this Sunday, not sure what you're on about. I've done acid plenty.
Reality is a hallucination, entirely based on the observers prospective. When that perspective gets shifted reality changes at a fundamental level. It has been proven that observation can change natural phenomena, conscious observation is capable of many amazing things.
Your minimal understanding of the quantum world is laughable. Regardless, sure, reality is a hallucination- it's also possible you don't exist or you're the only one that exists. But there's no sense in thinking down that path, less you wish to become mentally ill.
Presumption are harmful- presumptions lead to you being hit by a car as you thought that walking into a busy intersection would be fine as you've never been hit in a busy intersection before. Spirituality is a presumption.
Live a life of minimal presumptions; only make the basal three:
1. I exist;
2. The world exists;
3. I can form models and patterns to predict how the world will work.
Spirituality is what taints an otherwise exciting, fun substance/creative tool from being received with any credibility.
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*sighs*
All this spiritual bullshit delegitimizes the value of taking LSD. It's usefulness is found in it being a great creative tool; it is helpful for thinking of new ideas. This creativity can be used to find insight into your life (by looking at yourself from a different perspective), or perhaps inspire you in an art field.
In terms of long lasting changes of perception while not on the drug- all I've found is that I pay more attention to detail; perhaps I'll notice something in a photo I hadn't previously, or become more acutely aware of my senses.
The only other benefit past these is that with the proper set and setting it's simply fun. People need to enjoy life more.
It is not spiritual. Spirits do not exist.
It does not allow you to transcend this world. This is a physical impossibility.
A common misconception about LSD is that it induces delirium (e.g; seeing things that aren't there) whereas it simply warps the environment you're currently in. It does seem to have one delirious effect, however– it convinces dumbasses that there are spirits/gods/deities and other fictitious bullshit.
I can certainly relate to and understand what you are saying.
I would, however, challenge you to smoke a breakthrough dose of DMT. You may not feel the same about spirits/spirituality afterwards.
EDIT: just saw your post about DMT; I hope you continue with it and have a fantastic journey. A breakthrough will, at the least, STRONGLY challenge any preconceived or even well thought out notions you have about reality.
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Why do people feel the need to come and hate on people for having positive experiences they dont agree with? It makes me wonder if these people have ever taken a psychedelics or even read anything about them that wasn't propaganda.
I feel the need as you're spreading harmful lies and diminishing the credibility of LSD with spiritual mumbo jumbo. Did a reported 600 µg just this Sunday, not sure what you're on about. I've done acid plenty.
Reality is a hallucination, entirely based on the observers prospective. When that perspective gets shifted reality changes at a fundamental level. It has been proven that observation can change natural phenomena, conscious observation is capable of many amazing things.
Your minimal understanding of the quantum world is laughable. Regardless, sure, reality is a hallucination- it's also possible you don't exist or you're the only one that exists. But there's no sense in thinking down that path, less you wish to become mentally ill.
Presumption are harmful- presumptions lead to you being hit by a car as you thought that walking into a busy intersection would be fine as you've never been hit in a busy intersection before. Spirituality is a presumption.
Live a life of minimal presumptions; only make the basal three:
1. I exist;
2. The world exists;
3. I can form models and patterns to predict how the world will work.
Spirituality is what taints an otherwise exciting, fun substance/creative tool from being received with any credibility.
Spirituality involves presumption, just as scientific realism involves presumption. However, while I'm not a pragmatist, I believe living pragmatically, in the sense of philosophical pragmatism, will yield the most stable conditions for one's life. If one is indifferent to stable living conditions, then that's a different story, lol.