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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: yesman on September 19, 2012, 08:33 pm
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Starting a thread for MDMA-specific reviews of the UK vendor Symbiosis. There's a thread in the Product Offers section, which covers their weed sales as well.
Anyway, their prices for Molly are low, and having received internationally recently, I can vouch for the stealth of their packaging. Triple-vac sealed amongst other things 8)
Haven't had a chance to test out yet, but I'm sure some of you have. What's the word peoples?
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interested as well
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Interested as well, looking for a vendor from UK as Ivory is AFK. This seller has great prices as well.
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I was certain I was going to order some mdma until I saw this "WE DO NOT OFFER REFUNDS FOR PACKAGES THAT DO NOT MAKE IT THROUGH." Do they offer reships? What is the success rate to the USA?
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I FE'd, but then again I come from a place that vendors don't like sending to. I think someone from Oz (maybe railingcapz) managed to stay in escrow. It propbably depends on your buyers stats. And the US is probably safer to send packages to than down under.
Granted, it's not the most generous shipping policy out there. But shit, the price is nice, and it's not coming out of NL- which raises the chances of it getting through.
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8) SYMBIOSIS MDMA - All you need to know
So, I think I'm the first and only person to place the 100g order so far. Heres my experience.
Time: 14 days from order to west coast. (started to get worried then it came in)
Packaging: Pretty darn good, simple but safe.
Product-
Smell- So strong of black licorice it almost burns your nostrils
Taste- small speck was incredibly bitter
Color- That sassafras kind of color, very clear but that sass color for sure
Consistency- Similar to that of sticky sand. Perfect, what people here only wish to find. Small chucks in it. Not cut at all
Strength- Haven't tested yet, but I smelled the vac sealed baggy directly after cutting it open and possibly inhaled a little bit of particles and I have had a tiny roll for a bit now, thats never happened with anyone before. I've tried SKYY and 2 diff batches of DRNYX, and I have to say this seems to be the mest mandy I've ever seen.
So fucking enjoy! Theres a new king in town at rock bottom prices.
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I've received two orders from Symbiosis in the last few weeks. The first was partly crushed and looked like brown sugar, the second was brown/purple rocks. Both were quality MDMA and as I'm in the UK it's very quick so good for peace of mind.
I have seen some complaints about weak product in topics about other vendors and the main MDMA vendor topic but that's the case here.
Of course things can always change, vendors get new stock or can turn dodgy. Always keep up to date on the feedback people are leaving on the forums. But FWIW I'll look at Symbiosis or OldAmsterdam first for any future orders.
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will leave feedback on arrival
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US order. i FE'd. will definitely update upon arrival.
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I'm off to a party tonight, taking 140 - 150mg caps with me. I'm guessing that fun and frivolity will ensue ;D
Will report back to you fine people tomorrow. Have a good one ;)
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Stated this in the other thread, but seeing you made a new topic -
I made an order of 50g's from Symbio, came the next day stealthy as fuck. Very good molly too, orange soft rocks, prices are insanely low too.
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So a few of us had caps with 140ish mgs of Sym's MDMA last night. I'd say that's a pretty good middle ground dosage for this particular batch. If you really want to blast off, and you're experienced, you could definitely handle a bit more than that. The amount we had was a good roll, but not so intense that you couldn't still have a conversation in between dancing (albeit a slightly scattered conversation!) I redosed with a second cap about two hours after the first, which kept me going to the wee hours..
One of our crew was a bit overwhelmed, and had to go and chill out in a quiet room, but that could've been from something else. Everyone else seemed happy and buzzing. A first timer (bless) had half a cap, and was pretty wasted too.
Feeling ok today, bit of a headache- but that's probably from the booze. My cheek is also a bit chewed up, but this gear isn't too jaw-clenching. All in all, it's some good (cheap) Molly ;D
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Has anyone received Symbiosis' Mandy in Australia?
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I just got my 8 Ball of Sym's Molly 6 days to the states after it went in transit. Sealed nicely in discreet packaging and a bit overweight.
After emptying the powder from its vac seal, I put the plastic with the vac seal residue on it into a glass and poured some blue moon over it. There was only maybe 15-20mg of dust left over, but 20 minutes into that glass and shit felt extra fluffy. I've got a pretty mean tolerance, so if this fluff is a good indicator of what's to come this Friday night, I don't think anybody could be disappointed.
Thanks Sym.
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Has anyone received Symbiosis' Mandy in Australia?
Youbetcha!
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Has anyone received Symbiosis' Mandy in Australia?
Youbetcha!
How long did it take?
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Has anyone received Symbiosis' Mandy in Australia?
Youbetcha!
How long did it take?
Couple of weeks Maniac. Not super quick, but pretty standard for UK
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Received my 1gram domestic today, ordered late monday night came this morning(wednesday) came as 1gram rock, double vaccuum sealed, wont be testing till halloween though but it looks gorgeous.
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I received my 1st ounce yesterday after 7 days to the US. Fast shipping time needless to say. Stealth is very good. Product tests proper with marquis. Tastes proper. Weight was spot on. I'm just waiting on my second ounce. Hopefully my second one will be here in the next couple days.
So far 5/5 for Symbiosis. I'll update in this thread once I receive my second ounce.
have a nice day!
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Very quick delivery will be testing on friday and update!
Got 150mg followed by a 100mg redose planned.
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I received my second envelope today 9 days from my order to the US. I was very happy when I went to the mailbox. However when I opened my envelope there was only 14 grams instead of 28 grams.
I messaged Symbiosis and am currently awaiting a response. Hopefully just a mix up that will be taken care of and not an intentional scam.
I really hope it is a mix up because I love Symbiosis' shipping speed and packaging. Product marquis tests and tastes proper. I haven't consumed it yet but I'm sure its good. I want to keep ordering if everything works out!
I will update in this thread when I hear from Symbiosis.
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I don't have a link to his seller page, why has he pulled his listings? Haven't made an MDMA order in months and I've been waiting on mtgox to process my money. Bit annoying if he's out of stock, need another good UK vendor.
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His profile says slight stock delay and to check back at the weekend.
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Cheers bud.
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Right reporting back from last nights rave.
Took around 150mg around 12:00 started to come up by 0:55 and my god this stuff is good. My first time trying silkroad MD but it was by the cleanest roll I've had. Redosed around
2:30am and was still rolling till about 5, ended up getting in at 10 not feeling too drained as well which is good.
Bare in mind this was after a 4month break (previously taken 5 times 2-4weeks waits in between), however I was normally taking 330mg all at once on those nights.
All in all a very good experience, packaging and communication was 5/5, price is so so good, almost too good for the quality of the goods.
So overall definitely recommend this seller to anyone, definitely my best mdma experience so far so thanks a lot!
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Fuck, its good....
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Thinking of ordering soon from Symbiosis. With Ivory away at the moment and his prices lower too this UK vendor is looking like a good choice.
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Seems like the guy to go to for MDMA. Think I'll give him a try for Halloween :)
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his mdma listings are down...
hopefully he puts them back up again.
I just received my order from aus. looks good.
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Anybody remember what price Symbiosis was asking for 14g? the listing is down and i am trying to work out some maths here.
cheers
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Anybody remember what price Symbiosis was asking for 14g? the listing is down and i am trying to work out some maths here.
cheers
around 31 btcs but think btc price have changed a bit. hope it helps
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Works out at around £230 if your from uk.... good price :)
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I just want to say that this vendors MDMA is some of the cleanest MDMA I have ever experienced.
Just pure Euphoria... everyone else agrees. An older person had 120mg and said they haven't experienced this since the early 90's!
I'll be back for more!
linemup
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more mdma plz
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Hi everyone, just to let you know that the mdma is back in stock
symbiosis
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Ordered 2x 28g listings September 22. First pack Got here FAST on September 29. I'm still waiting on second pack from that order though.... which is strange.
because my first pack got here so fast, i put in a 3rd order for 28g
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Anyone have this mdma delivered to the US? How was the packaging/experience?
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I took delivery of a small amount (< 5g) of the last batch. Took less than 10 days to the West Coast, (3x vac) packaging was excellent. Have yet to bioassay, but reagent testing was spot on.
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I messaged Symbiosis about my missing 14 grams. Compensation has been worked out. Seems like a stand up business man. I know mistakes happen and thing's fall through the cracks sometimes. Fastest international shipping I've ever had. Great packaging too.
I'll update later ya'll.....
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I took delivery of a small amount (< 5g) of the last batch. Took less than 10 days to the West Coast, (3x vac) packaging was excellent. Have yet to bioassay, but reagent testing was spot on.
Thanks! Sounds good to me!
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Damn, I gotta catch him next time he has a good 28g order again (I won't have any BTC until Friday though).
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Started browsing the MDMA listings after Ivory went MIA, and it's good to see another reputable MDMA vendor, with very attractive prices to boot. Going to place an order to US West Coast in a few days, and I'll report back. I'd place the order right this moment, but it's funny because I'm literally less than 1 BTC short! Hopefully the price of BTC jumps up just slightly in the next few days. :P
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Hi,
Recently received some MDMA from Symbiosis. Got a quick question, and to be clear I'm not making any accusations here. I tested it with the Marquis, Mandelin and Mecke tests from EZ Test, all of which showed the dark colour consistent with ecstasy. However, the mCPP Phenylpiperazines test showed up with dark yellow indicating mCPP or TFMPP. However, I have read a few posts on various forums suggesting that the mCPP test may give false positives. Any advice? Thanks.
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Started browsing the MDMA listings after Ivory went MIA, and it's good to see another reputable MDMA vendor, with very attractive prices to boot. Going to place an order to US West Coast in a few days, and I'll report back. I'd place the order right this moment, but it's funny because I'm literally less than 1 BTC short! Hopefully the price of BTC jumps up just slightly in the next few days. :P
Even if it jumps, his listings are in BitCoins, aren't they? You'll still have to add that extra BitCoin at some point.
As for the Marquis test I can't comment but have heard nothing but good things about Symbiosis's MDMA. Still gotta try to catch his 28g listing...
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Even if it jumps, his listings are in BitCoins, aren't they? You'll still have to add that extra BitCoin at some point.
Silk Road prices are actually based on fiat money, so something that costs $150 USD will always cost $150 USD regardless of the current BTC conversion rate. If you choose to display prices in BitCoin, Silk Road will adjust the prices according to the USD-to-BTC conversion rate, and the prices will fluctuate.
You can change your account settings on Silk Road to display the prices in USD, which I find much easier to deal with. That being said, your Silk Road account holds BTC, so the actual value of how much you have in your account will change according to the BTC conversion rate.
In any case, I was able to place my order two days ago since BTC prices went up a few cents. The order was marked "In Transit" today, so I will update accordingly.
Also, it would be greatly appreciated if someone could chime in about the pipe tests.
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still have not received one of my 28g packs. It's going on day 20. I'm in USA :'(
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I ordered a gram and it was marked shipped 6 days ago, im only in Ireland so surely it would be delivered by now or does it usually go as slow?
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I was able to grab an 8th off him before he ran out again.... ;D
Cannot wait to try and order some moarrr 8)
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However, the mCPP Phenylpiperazines test showed up with dark yellow indicating mCPP or TFMPP. However, I have read a few posts on various forums suggesting that the mCPP test may give false positives. Any advice? Thanks.
Where did you get your mCPP testing kit? I've also read that those tests give false positives for everything. Let me know where you got it, I'll try and get the same kit, and I'll test it on a tiny bit of Ivory's MDMA batch that I received a few months ago, which I know tested 98% for MDMA-HCl (my friend put it through a GC/MS machine). And if the mCPP test shows positive, we'll definitely know it's unreliable.
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Hi,
this is mrAndrestwain with his report:
I ordered 1 gram of MDMA from Symbiosis. According to the info in Sym's profile, the order was suppossed to get handled the same day, and I was really curious if this is going to happen, since it was only a couple minutes before noon when I hit the purchase button. Sym handled this with elegance indeed, as the item status changed to "in transit" within two hours. So this I would would call excellent service.
The product arrived after 4 business days. That's excellent too.
Packaging was very good, secure and discrete.
The product itself was crushed to powder, exactly as it was supposed to be, according to the info in vendors profile. The powder was white, without any visible impurities, fluffy, glittery against light, and it had a distinct and pleasurable aniseed scent (exactly as announced.) Very nice.
I tested the product with three reagents: Marquis, Mecke and Simon's (Simon's shows difference between MDMA and MDA.) All three tests reacted positive for MDMA.
Also subjectively the product was very good. First class, I'd say. It was a very gentle and clear experience. I may have consumed some 400 - 500mg during one night and the following day. (I know, it's too much.) As I said, the effect of this stuff is rather gentle, I didn't have any feelings of anything being forced upon me, even at a relatively high dose. The effects lasted for a rather short period of time and I absolutely don't think there is any speed-like substance added to this product at all. I'd say this product is suitable rather for personal introspection and/or intimate sharing with one or a few close persons, in a quiet and protected environment. For the night out in a club with music and girls etc., I personally would prefer a something slightly more intense. Perhaps MDA or some blend. Will try next time. :-)
One member of our group went to sleep even the same night we were consuming the drug, having reportedly a nice 5 hours of sleep till nest morning. This person also is susceptible to having bellyache and depression normally hen using MDMA-like substances. This time she was perfectly happy and without any problems at all. Thank you Sym...
As for me, I had no emotional difficulty, or any other difficulty, coming down after the ride. I even went out for an erotic massage the next morning, having great fun with the girl, feeling very comfortable, as if she would be a good friend of mine for years. That was awesome. :-P I actually ended up having her lying on the massage table, giving her a VERY erotic massage myself and having her moaning and telling me constantly that this is the first time in her life a client gives her a massage. :-) Do that too, it's been a LOT of fun!
I slept like a baby for 13 hours the next night, waking up feeling refreshed and in a good mood.
Bottom line: good stuff, great service.
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Where did you get your mCPP testing kit? I've also read that those tests give false positives for everything. Let me know where you got it, I'll try and get the same kit, and I'll test it on a tiny bit of Ivory's MDMA batch that I received a few months ago, which I know tested 98% for MDMA-HCl (my friend put it through a GC/MS machine). And if the mCPP test shows positive, we'll definitely know it's unreliable.
Hi,
I got it from EZ Test. To be honest I'm not all that concerned now as I tried the product and it was a great experience. It felt quite gentle and clean. None of the negatives I'd expect if that test was accurate. So for now I'm assuming it's a false positive.
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I may have consumed some 400 - 500mg during one night and the following day. (I know, it's too much.) As I said, the effect of this stuff is rather gentle, I didn't have any feelings of anything being forced upon me, even at a relatively high dose. The effects lasted for a rather short period of time and I absolutely don't think there is any speed-like substance added to this product at all.
Thanks for the detailed report, but holy crap, that's a lot of molly! What's your typical dosage, and how did you split it up?
I got it from EZ Test. To be honest I'm not all that concerned now as I tried the product and it was a great experience. It felt quite gentle and clean. None of the negatives I'd expect if that test was accurate. So for now I'm assuming it's a false positive.
Good to hear you had a good experience. I seriously doubt any serious vendor on here is going to sell MDMA cut with pipes. The community here knows better!
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H shipped 1gram to me in Ireland on the 5th of October and its still not here yet? i had a gram ordered from MrFireUK too and it seems hes gone to the dark side, just my luck, hopefully they both turn up monday...
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Just wanted to post a little review of the crushed white MDMA that I got from Sym a couple of weeks back. I'm about three hours after popping 150mg and just getting to the point where I'm coming down a little. Very nice legit stuff, comparable to the dutch moon rock stuff I got from googleyed a while back. Very strong & clean. I was worried when I first received it, it looked at tasted like coke and even made my tongue numb. Sent a message to Sym and he was very courteous in his response, saying yes it is MDMA no mixup.
This is my third batch of MDMA I've purchased off of SR. Can someone please explain to me the difference between clean white washed MDMA and the brown or tan unwashed MDMA? The white stuff seems stronger. But the brown that Gelman had a while back, along with some tan I got in the real world has a quality that is hard to describe. Mellower, more empathy, more of that warm fuzzy feeling in your chest. If it's all MDMA why does it feel different?
Thanks again Sym and will order again soon!
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Just wanted to post a little review of the crushed white MDMA that I got from Sym a couple of weeks back. I'm about three hours after popping 150mg and just getting to the point where I'm coming down a little. Very nice legit stuff, comparable to the dutch moon rock stuff I got from googleyed a while back. Very strong & clean. I was worried when I first received it, it looked at tasted like coke and even made my tongue numb. Sent a message to Sym and he was very courteous in his response, saying yes it is MDMA no mixup.
This is my third batch of MDMA I've purchased off of SR. Can someone please explain to me the difference between clean white washed MDMA and the brown or tan unwashed MDMA? The white stuff seems stronger. But the brown that Gelman had a while back, along with some tan I got in the real world has a quality that is hard to describe. Mellower, more empathy, more of that warm fuzzy feeling in your chest. If it's all MDMA why does it feel different?
Thanks again Sym and will order again soon!
From what I've read, there is hardly any difference, really. The white MDMA might be washed of a tiny amount of impurities and might be just a tad purer, but some people prefer the brown MDMA because they think it has more "character".
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Thanks for the detailed report, but holy crap, that's a lot of molly! What's your typical dosage, and how did you split it up?
As to my typical dosage, I didn't touch any drugs (including alcohol) for more than 3 years. So this was after a long brake. I've been always doing rather large doses of everything.
IIRC this is roughly what I did this time: 150mg, 80mg, 100mg, 80mg, 50mg, 50mg, first dose at 10:00 PM, last dose next day around 3:00 PM.
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If it's all MDMA why does it feel different?
Good question :-)
Virtually all researchers agree that the quality of the MDMA experience is a function of mainly what's been called "set & setting", plus a few other factors. This proved true for all psychedelics and perhaps entactogens. It's in your hands.
Very good article explaining this:
https://www.maps.org/research/mdma/revision.html
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I feel obligated to post a lil' write up due to the unbelievable service I received from Symbiosis.
Placed my order of 2g on a Saturday, received it the following Friday in the Midwestern US. That's 6 days across the pond, doesn't get much better than that.
Nothing too noteworthy about the packaging other than the fact that it's discreet and nondescript, which is what you should be looking for anyways when it comes to international orders.
Product came vacuum sealed multiple times, crushed into a fine crystalline powder (as stated it would be for international orders), so no problems there.
My group and I took 120-130mg apiece, other than one larger fella who wanted to take ~200mg. Dosed around 9PM. Probably the smoothest come-up I've ever had from MDMA, none of the queasy feelings or anxiety often mentioned. One minute we were twiddling our thumbs, the next we were having a blast. Can't really comment on the duration but I stayed awake until around 5AM, feeling great the whole time.
In conclusion, I can't recommend Symbiosis enough. I was extremely wary of the early finalization requirement, but I was convinced to take the chance by another one of my good SR friends (Hi, Tunbear!)
10/10, would order again, actually gonna order another 7g tonight :)
GET THOSE BULK LISTINGS UP, BUDDY!
edit: 7g listings sold out, fuck my life
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Can someone comment on recent feedback regarding MDMA on Symbiosis's profile? I ordered 50gs a month or two ago and it was the best mandy i ever got hold of, but now I'm seeing comments saying his new batch is rubbish, dodgy buyer or is his mdma bad now?
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Can someone comment on recent feedback regarding MDMA on Symbiosis's profile? I ordered 50gs a month or two ago and it was the best mandy i ever got hold of, but now I'm seeing comments saying his new batch is rubbish, dodgy buyer or is his mdma bad now?
yup interested in this as well
anyone tried the new batch from last week?
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+1 interested in this. I ordered an eighth from him yesterday and worried its gonna be bunk stuff. Will be pretty disappointed if so, its for a big event next week. Had high hopes with the reputation he holds with his previous batches :/
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I have just logged on to this forum and seen a few people people mentioning the quality of the white batch, so let me please address the issue. We had the brown batch for 3 weeks, then the whitey grey batch for about 5 weeks and are now back to the brown batch in the last week. There is absolutely no noticeable difference in the quality of them. For every person who has claimed the quality has been less than amazing, and out of thousands of sales I personally have seen about 3 to date including my messages ( although there may be more forums I have not seen). I can only assume there was an external factor which affected their experience rather than the quality of the MDMA, or they are trying to sabotage our reputation as has happened before. ( people who never ordered from us claiming on forums the product did not arrive or was shit). If anyone has any doubt please browse our feedback rather than the forums as this will give you a much more accurate picture of quality, packaging and delivery etc. We take quality extremely seriously and it would be impossible for us to send out a bad or lower quality batch. If this were the case we would rather take down the listings than send out bad quality stuff which would effect out reputation or feedback, we are in it for the long haul.
Symbiosis
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Symbiosis's MDMA is seriously THE cleanest and smoothest I have ever had! And I've eaten quite a few different batches from many different vendors, IRL and on Silk. I hope he never goes away. I love that I get to share this with people who have never rolled before. They're so lucky! I wish I had had Symbiosis's Molly for my first roll! I will be a repeat customer for as long as he's here!
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My 3.5g order was marked as shipped by last Tuesday, and it was in my mailbox by last Saturday. Four days across the pond to West Coast US! Very fast shipping. The packaging was also very stealthy, and the best I've seen to date. The batch I received was white, crushed to a fine powder.
Unfortunately, my friend with the GC/MS is out of town for a few months, so I'll have rely on reagent tests and firsthand/secondhand experiences to judge quality. I've seen many good words for Symbiosis, so let's hope it holds true!
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GET THOSE BULK LISTINGS UP, BUDDY!
edit: 7g listings sold out, fuck my life
This. Everytime he puts up the 28g it sells out before I can nab it.
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To update, my 3.5 order arrived. It looks, tastes and smells the absolute business. Have just given it a regeant test, went straight to black within seconds. Reading the two reviews on Symbiosis feedback (coincidently at the same times as each other) had me a tad worried but after opening the mail today and testing it all seems fine. Cant wait to try.
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To update, my 3.5 order arrived. It looks, tastes and smells the absolute business. Have just given it a regeant test, went straight to black within seconds. Reading the two reviews on Symbiosis feedback (coincidently at the same times as each other) had me a tad worried but after opening the mail today and testing it all seems fine. Cant wait to try.
Can you confirm that the powder is almost 'snow white' like? mine looks like that.
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To update, my 3.5 order arrived. It looks, tastes and smells the absolute business. Have just given it a regeant test, went straight to black within seconds. Reading the two reviews on Symbiosis feedback (coincidently at the same times as each other) had me a tad worried but after opening the mail today and testing it all seems fine. Cant wait to try.
Can you confirm that the powder is almost 'snow white' like? mine looks like that.
Mine is a brown almost black rock with smaller brown crystals and a tan looking powder...
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I have 2 orders of 28g still on the way from him. One is taking a very long time. Today marks day 27. The other one is at day 10. 10 days is a bit on the longer end for a UK order, but still well within the expected time frame.
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I purchased a 1 gram listing of MDMA last Tuesday the 10th and it was marked in transit and sent out on wed. I also made a purchase of the 2CB and I appreciate symbiosis working with me on that!! There was a little confusion so he had to send them separately. So wed for the MDMA and Thursday for the 2cb. My hold up is that I have received the 2CB on the following Monday but the MDMA is still MIA. My question is should I be concerned or should I just try to relax. Also I was planning on testing it this Friday and I really hope it is here by then!!!
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My 2 cents . I ordered some mandy off sym a couple of weeks ago and it arrived UK to UK in 2 days. That's awesome. It was slightly overweight too which was a nice surprise! Also the triple vac packaging was excellent. The md came in the form of two nice white/clear looking crystals. There was a fair few of us trying the stuff out at a club and I had pretty high hopes. I initially took a bomb of about 150mg then several dabs and another bomb later on. Basically this stuff is extremely clean and as a few other people have mentioned quite gentle. I didn't really realise I was coming up then all of a sudden I was havin a pretty damn good time. There was no serious comedown and no anxiety at all. I even had a burger on the way out of the club! All in all it was a good experience, the only thing for me was that I've had md in the past which was more intense and euphoric and I think maybe thats more what I'm after. On the flip-side a lot of my mates were saying how much they liked it and I have to agree it's obviously way better than the usual street stuff knocking about at the moment.
I guess after reading all the amazing reviews I was just expecting it to properly blow my mind. I do however, believe that this really is very pure MDMA so the shit that makes your eyes shake and come up like a rocket, is that not just MDMA but a combination of ingredients?
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I do however, believe that this really is very pure MDMA so the shit that makes your eyes shake and come up like a rocket, is that not just MDMA but a combination of ingredients?
Pure MDMA causes eye wiggles (aka nystagmus) and an intense coming up for some. It varies from person to person, but also even from roll to roll. I've had different experiences each time even with the same dosage and the same batch, so it does depend on your situation, your mindset, and your setting. For me, I get a pretty distinct come-up, but my girlfriend is sober one minute and rolling the next. I feel that a stronger roll definitely means more eye wigglies and a harder coming up, though.
What's your usual dosing? Maybe you have some tolerance from previous rolls? Maybe a meal shortly beforehand?
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To be fair I've been this for quite a few years so probably have built up a bit of a tolerance and had been to Ibiza a month before this night. I do usually get a feeling of coming up but it's not very often I get hold of the gear that really hits you hard. Usually I'll either just do dabs thoughout the night (which would probably explain not having a massive come up) or one or two smallish bombs like I did with Sym's stuff 100/150mgs. To be honest after writing this I'm starting to think I should try doing some bigger bombs at the start of the night. I usually just have a small meal 3 or 4 hours beforehand. I've still got half a g of Sym's stuff so gonna give it another go at some point with a slightly higher dosage I think. I've also got some of F16's spookies and md on the way to see how how they pan out compared to Sym's.
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Usually I'll either just do dabs thoughout the night (which would probably explain not having a massive come up) or one or two smallish bombs like I did with Sym's stuff 100/150mgs. To be honest after writing this I'm starting to think I should try doing some bigger bombs at the start of the night. I usually just have a small meal 3 or 4 hours beforehand. I've still got half a g of Sym's stuff so gonna give it another go at some point with a slightly higher dosage I think.
Gotcha, sounds like a bit of tolerance and probably not enough of a break between rolls. You should definitely try a heavier dose up front! From what I've heard, people say it's best to take a full starter dose, then bomb a half-dose about 1-1.5 hours in to extend the best part of your roll (any more than that, and it extends the speedy part rather than the euphoric part). Haven't tried, but that sounds like what works best for most people, without blowing through too much MDMA.
My order from Symbiosis was a snow white powder, so it's probably from the same batch as yours, but crushed since that's what Symbiosis says he does for international shipments. Hope to try it soon, probably going to go with my usual 120mg and see how that goes!
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Thanks for the tips Nevewitch, I'll try that next time and see how it goes. I think that it will be the same batch, mine was snow white when we crushed it up. Write up a few words in this forum when you've tried it, I'd be interested to know what you think.
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I would agree sounds like you built up a bit of tolerence next time start with a bigger bomb then a top up to extend you should do some reading on clearnet about finding the optimal MDMA dose and how different doses work on you its quite interesting and will help you improve your roll next time.
I've got 1g of his stuff in my draw but I'm going to hang on at least another 3 weeks before I do it :(
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I have 2 orders of 28g still on the way from him. One is taking a very long time. Today marks day 27. The other one is at day 10. 10 days is a bit on the longer end for a UK order, but still well within the expected time frame.
I dont think I'm getting my stuff. It has been over a month. i have been receiving packs from all across the world during this time. I ordered 86g with symbiosis, and received 28.
I will have $15,000 spent on the road here soon and have never had a bad transaction... so this is my first. i would have never though i would lose packs going from UK>USA
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I have 2 orders of 28g still on the way from him. One is taking a very long time. Today marks day 27. The other one is at day 10. 10 days is a bit on the longer end for a UK order, but still well within the expected time frame.
I dont think I'm getting my stuff. It has been over a month. i have been receiving packs from all across the world during this time. I ordered 86g with symbiosis, and received 28.
I will have $15,000 spent on the road here soon and have never had a bad transaction... so this is my first. i would have never though i would lose packs going from UK>USA
Maybe you should stop ordering loads of packages at the same time. Too much heat at one address is not good is it. On the other hand he could of scammed you.
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Anyone know when his MDMA is going to be back in stock?
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Received some from symbiosis and it is light brown / tan.
Gave some to a friend and he said it was very average.
Does anyone have any opinions on the brown / tan batch because I'm hoping I don't have a whole load of bunk stuff.
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I only order white/transparent MDMA, because its a sign of good quality.
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Ordered 1g of MDMA from Symbiosis on Wednesday night, posted Thursday morning, arrived Friday, tested last night (Saturday) and finalized while rolling but forgot about the session and didn't get chance to post a review. Sorry 'bout that.
Stealth was good, double vacuum sealed. Gear was a white crystal which shaved down to dust really easily. I can't say I'm an expert (it's been years since I did the stuff) but it tasted like shit just like it ought to.
Anyway, last night my gf and I had ~150mg each and stayed in with a bottle of massage oil. We had a wonderful time, thanks for making "date night" fucking awesome!
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I got my reship off symbiosis after a few days, it came as a slightly crystally white powder, nice one mate thanks for your trust!
Id rate his current or last batch 7/10, it wasnt as good as i was expecting at all but done the trick all the same no doubt, it just took a little extra!
The comedown was fine and clean and sleep was possible after a while too!
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This guy needs to come back with the bulk. Can no one provide consistent product?
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Said I'd be back with a review on Symbios' stuff, so here I am and here it is.
First off, I'd like to put the rest the whole white vs. brown thing. From what I can tell, and from hearing from a bunch of friends, there is no noticeable difference in the quality of these batches. That quality, however, is fantastic. We all agreed that this was the best mdma any of us had had in at least the last couple of years. I quickly became famous at the festival as being the 'guy with the molly from Europe'. I had no jaw tension, no eye wiggles, and a great lasting feeling of euphoria and empathy. It lacked the edge associated with pills or lower quality molly, and we all agreed that was a plus. All it took was one point for anybody to be in a great mood. At one point a friend of mine who I acquired one of the grams for ran back to our camp from one of the stages just to give me a hug and thank me for coming through with such amazing stuff. It truly made so many people's experience just that much better, so thanks!
Anyone considering getting from Symbiosis, I say go for it. You won't be disappoint.
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heh funny how after your cherry is popped the best part of good mdma is giving it to friends especially to the inexperienced. "My work here is done". -Tyres.
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symbiosis white molly would probably one of the best I've tried in SR. I was hoping that he'll be back and selling the white batch again!
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gave 2 of my friends some of his white powder molly
said it was rubbish :(
although i did a test on it, and came up purple then to black, so im quite confused :(
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Hey guys,
Any of you get a mixed up order from Symbiosis? I ordered 5g of MDMA about 3 weeks ago and just yesterday my order arrived, but instead of 5g of MDMA I received 3 x 20mg 2C-B pills. Definitely not what I ordered. Just wondering if anyone else is having any issues...
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I got the "pure white" from Symbiosis a couple of weeks ago.
Taken two weeks for an opportunity to be a human guinea pig but I can now say 120mg was very nice.
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I still haven't been able to personally test the snow white batch, but I've given a number of 120mg caps to friends, and they reported back with good experiences. It seems that people have gotten some different batches since then, but I'm pretty confident that Symbiosis did not and would not ship out anything bunk.
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i just wanted to give you all a heads up of my experience in dealing with symbiosis. ordered something that arrived fairly quickly but was nowhere near what was expected. after remaining in contact BEFORE i placed negative feedback (take note newbies!), symbiosis first offered a resend but since no stock was available, made a generous offer to make up for it. this was above and beyond what i expected, and is an indicator of how this vendor treats o/s newbies like myself - the man has principles, peeps! all too rare on sr i'm sad to say...
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18 days since early finalizing my mdma package, hoping it will arrive.
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Hi everyone,
just to let you all know that we are back, lsd and 2cb in stock and mdma to come soon
symbiosis
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yes!
i was actually day dreaming today.. thinking how good it would be if symbiosis came back haha
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Hi everyone,
just to let you all know that we are back, lsd and 2cb in stock and mdma to come soon
symbiosis
Any chance of that Blue Cheese coming back? That was delicious.
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unfortunately no weed for a while, just mdma, lsd and 2cb.
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Was hoping for 50g listings back up after buying one few months ago, got a reply that 28g will be back, but a day later he only listed up 14g listings which is a shame, going to have to give someone else a try. It was very good mdma though so recommend it to everyone.
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Question regarding FE for international customers
Does Symbiosis request this by PM after he marks it, in transit?
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Question regarding FE for international customers
Does Symbiosis request this by PM after he marks it, in transit?
He did for me (I ordered this week).
Can anyone comment on UK >>> US transit times?
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Question regarding FE for international customers
Does Symbiosis request this by PM after he marks it, in transit?
He did for me (I ordered this week).
Can anyone comment on UK >>> US transit times?
The last order I recieved from Symbiosis shipped the next day and arrived in the central US in 5 days. He will notify you by PM if you need to FE in my experience.
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how is the quality of symbiosis latest mdma?
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Received package after 7 days in transit
tested positive to mandelin and look and smelt as expected.
come up was smooth and clean and was generally really nice MDMA, real cruise gear with
staying power.
Everything about the transaction was first class and would not hesitate to use Symbosis
again.
kkkholed
how is the quality of symbiosis latest mdma?
My GF and I both where very pleased with the quality, up there with Dutch's PFs.
In fact i like it better probably just the setting but yeah nice gear and
wished i had ordered more.
It was the tan stuff, man i had to get my post count up just to reply and it has given me a headache.
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i received the latest batch from symbiosis today taking 8 days.
It tested positive for MDXX with Mandelin and is a milky white colour.
Has anyone given this batch a test run?
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i received the latest batch from symbiosis today taking 8 days.
It tested positive for MDXX with Mandelin and is a milky white colour.
Has anyone given this batch a test run?
I received my order in about 9 days to the US, received late last week. I haven't tried it but have given it to customers who enjoyed it. Can't give too much more detail though.
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order arrived after around 10 days.
looks like white crystals and powder, haven't tested yet but thought id let people know they are getting through
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Delivery within UK very fast, packaging very good (constructive criticism: would be better if flatter), weight good, 100mg effects fairly mellow but nice. Will try upping dose. Don't own testing equipment, based purchase on reviews.
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I would like to share my experience with Symbiosis. Ordered a moderate amount of MDMA to Western North America and received it in 5 days (wow!). Packaging was good stealth, nothing too extreme but very professional. Triple vacuum sealed just like it should be.
Product had a stronger safrole odor and taste than anything I've ever had, which I didn't discourage me at all. The listing stated that it would be "crushed to dust" for shipping but I was pleasantly surprised to find that it was about 1/3 dust and 2/3 sand and pebble sized crystals, some of them up to 3mm in size. It looks very nice in it's grainy moonrock form, while the the dust is a distinctive tan color.
I weighed out some 110mg capsules and shared, one each, with 5 people and they all agreed that it was very high quality MDMA, and were thankful for the opportunity have such nice gear.
I am very happy with the purchase and simply amazed at how quickly it was delivered. I am not a chemist but I would presume that this is top grade (~85% purity) MDMA. I believe it would benefit greatly (as most MDMA and MDA would) from a final acetone wash and will likely preform one if I acquire more.
5/5 transaction all around!
Symbiosis is a real classy operation!
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Just letting everyone know I now have MDMA and S Isomer - Ketamine shards is stock and in available in amounts up to an ounce
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subbed.
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Every batch I've had from symbiosis has been great, 100mg will be fine, i used to have 125mg followed by another 30-50mg a few hours later and that defiantly gets me on the perfect level. You won't be disappointed buying off symbiosis trust me, heard his mephedrone's not too good but he's flawless on the md side.
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Symbiosis has been here a while now he has been extremely trustworthy and professional on all occasions I have used him. I even managed to get an order dispatched with him and delivered within a day during the SR downtime while the site was momentarily up. Massive thumbs up from me.
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Still waiting for my order from symbiosis:)
cant wait!
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I am thinking about making my first order with Symbiosis, can anyone comment on whether or not his stuff is crystal or crushed into powder for safer international shipping?
Safety is always my top priority as a buyer, but local customers will pay more for crystals so I am just wondering what I'd be getting myself into ordering from Symbiosis.
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I am thinking about making my first order with Symbiosis, can anyone comment on whether or not his stuff is crystal or crushed into powder for safer international shipping?
Safety is always my top priority as a buyer, but local customers will pay more for crystals so I am just wondering what I'd be getting myself into ordering from Symbiosis.
Mine was very powdery almost fluffy-flour like not a single crystal.
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i may be one of the rare people who never received from symbiosis.
i FE'd when it was near auto finalize because i trusted it would arrive
never did
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Any feedback on symbiosis new white mdma?
Tests up black on my testers, anyone rolled on this yet?
Drug free for a few weeks so i want to know what im in for
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I received the same white fluffy MDMA. Thought I was sent the wrong product, but sounds like its been tested, that makes me feel better.
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had about 150mg last night and i was rolling for a good few hours
Good euphoria and no come down at all
Well done symbiosis
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I got some of the tan stuff about a month ago.
It was a good buzz a nice euphoria. I did not how much to do to be honest out of the gram I had. But between 2 of us we did around 66%. I had doen the previous 34% by myself a couple of night before mixing with the tail end of being on coke and drinking beer that went down nicely too but I am not so clear about the effects that night for ovbious reasons but I seem to remember dancing by myself with hadphones on :)
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I got some of the tan stuff about a month ago.
It was a good buzz a nice euphoria. I did not how much to do to be honest out of the gram I had. But between 2 of us we did around 66%. I had doen the previous 34% by myself a couple of night before mixing with the tail end of being on coke and drinking beer that went down nicely too but I am not so clear about the effects that night for ovbious reasons but I seem to remember dancing by myself with hadphones on :)
Never take mdma straight after cocaine, you dont get the full effects
And dont take any coke while peaking on mdma, it takes over and the mdma buzz will come to a halt
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Any new buyers? come on give us reviews on this seller, I'd much appreciate if everything is going well in here nowadays, i would like to order soon ^^
all packages arriving ?
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Any new buyers? come on give us reviews on this seller, I'd much appreciate if everything is going well in here nowadays, i would like to order soon ^^
all packages arriving ?
His feedback says it all
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ITS FESTIE SEASON!!!!!
we love you sym
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1 gram mdma arrived in the mail to the US :)
cant wait to try it out and let all you know how good it is!
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Ordered two packages week apart. I was instantly happy with the first order but the second order was the more the white fluffy stuff already mentioned here. Based on all the feedback of Symbiosis I wasn't too worried, and thought that the old patch had ended and new one had come in. Naturally one always wonders about quality and wrote to Symbiosis to ask about it. He replied:
'its a new batch, which has clear colored crystals so more white when crushed down, the quality is just as good. '
I can confirm this now after trying both last weekend. MDMA with Symbiosis is high quality, and I really appreciate the stealth with the packages. Also communication has been good, he may reply only with few lines (I imagine running business here can be hectic), but what's important is that he does reply. I have now trust with this vendor and will be probably ordering more later on . . . I was also surprised how fast the packages arrived, not too much time was left to stress about it ;D
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I got some of the tan stuff about a month ago.
It was a good buzz a nice euphoria. I did not how much to do to be honest out of the gram I had. But between 2 of us we did around 66%. I had doen the previous 34% by myself a couple of night before mixing with the tail end of being on coke and drinking beer that went down nicely too but I am not so clear about the effects that night for ovbious reasons but I seem to remember dancing by myself with hadphones on :)
Never take mdma straight after cocaine, you dont get the full effects
And dont take any coke while peaking on mdma, it takes over and the mdma buzz will come to a halt
Correct!
You can normally wait hour or 2 after the last line, then mdma will have an effect.
I usually go coke > xanax > 2 hours then start mdma roll
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I got some of the tan stuff about a month ago.
It was a good buzz a nice euphoria. I did not how much to do to be honest out of the gram I had. But between 2 of us we did around 66%. I had doen the previous 34% by myself a couple of night before mixing with the tail end of being on coke and drinking beer that went down nicely too but I am not so clear about the effects that night for ovbious reasons but I seem to remember dancing by myself with hadphones on :)
Never take mdma straight after cocaine, you dont get the full effects
And dont take any coke while peaking on mdma, it takes over and the mdma buzz will come to a halt
Correct!
You can normally wait hour or 2 after the last line, then mdma will have an effect.
I usually go coke > xanax > 2 hours then start mdma roll
Party Animal!!
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Wow really dank stuff! :)
and another pack arrived today from symbosis (1 gram ketamine), took 3 days!!!
72 hours after placing the order i was holding the K in my hands!!
I'm in the USA, so thats pretty awesome.
I dont know if bigger amouts take longer to get to destination, but my small orders made it through super fast!!
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I spammed to 50 just to post this message on how awesome Symbiosis is.
I am a new buyer on the SR and the service that I got from Symbiosis was unbelievably fantastic. After doing a few weeks of research on BTC, do PGP, and placing my first order, I was very nervous on how everything would result.
I ended up buying 10G of MDMA from Symbiosis. Firstly, he did not require me to FE despite me having ZERO purchases or stats on the SR. Many other vendors prefer to deal with existing buyers or require FE on oversea delivery. Symnbiosis was very professional and handled business like I was a long-time buyer.
The best part of the transaction was delivery time and stealth! I was expecting delivery time to be 7-10 business days as would normal packages take. I ordered on 6/11 and received the package 6/15. Delivery time was incredible. The stealth was great too. Normally I receive many mailed envelopes similar to the one Symbiosis delivered with. I almost dismissed it/tossed it thinking it wasn't from him because it came SO QUICKLY and it didn't look suspicious. Great job on stealth, would have never guessed!
Product was not what I was expecting, I ordered the Brown MDMA but received a white powder. I assumed that it was a new batch and did all the normal tests to make sure it was the right product. It was 10G on the dot and came up black on all tests. It was a fine powder with minimal crystals, I assume to help conceal it during shipment.
I had the opportunity to test the product and let me tell you, its FANTASTIC. I have done MDMA for a couple years and took my regular dosage and rolled like a champ. I prefer the Brown MDMA but the white was definitely worth it. Clean roll, nice euphoria, and minimal clenching. Solid choice overall.
For being a new buyer on the SR and the outstanding service Symbiosis provided, I will definitely be coming back to him for future purchases.
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I usually go coke > xanax > 2 hours then start mdma roll
I'm not a fan of coke but am a big fan MDMA and Xanax (in that order). Can you explain the "coke and then Xanax" idea? I've never tried it.
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I'd love to post a review, but I'm currently sitting on 14 days and there ain't nuffin' in my drop. :-[
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I just tried 180mg of Symbiosis`s white MDMA and I feel incredible!! Pure eurphoric bliss:) Buy with confidence!!
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Anyone have his vendor page link?
Thanks
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Anyone have his vendor page link?
Thanks
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/bc83b70f3e
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This is about Symbiosis white powdered mdma (ordered in June).
Started the evening around 9pm , dropped 220mg wrapped in a little piece of toilet paper.
+15 minutes : Start to feel it , very nice and warm feeling, very talkative and touchy.
+25 minutes : peak is arriving, it is VERY not comfortable, very confusing. Rapid heart beats, sweating a lot - starting to feel not good.
This continues for about 15-20 minutes.
+50 minutes : euphoric bliss, very touchy and talkative with my gf.
+1:30 hours : starting to come down - still feels good though.
+2 hours : smeared on bed, hugging non stop and slowly falling asleep - seeing a bit of cool visuals and stuff that are not there.
I need to notify that this was after a 3 months break. I expected this to be much longer(?)
I think I took too much (I'm used to street stuff.) since i never felt such a harsh peak.
I think the smart way to go would be around 140mg with a re-dose of 80-90mg.
Felt GREAT the next day. No comedown AT ALL.
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Anyone tried his pink squares?
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Thats what I did. Started with 150mg and took another 50mg an hour and a half later. It was absolutely perfect:) Eurphoric bliss with no harsh comedown at all. Can`t wait to order more.
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I dont normally write reviews but since the experience was a distinctly positive one and no1 else seems to have sampled the squares yet i feel i should.
Delivery: Arrived exactly when it was meant to on the dot
Stealth: Triple vacuum sealed. Also send as another product
Product: The absolute business, quick come up nice euphoric high and very clean also included some extra
Iv taken many pills from the nintendos to the defcons all of XTCEXPRESS's range and these pills tick all my boxes in terms oh high, cleanliness etc
The strange square shape these pills are actually increases the surface to volume ratio which along with the finely pestled mdma i believe lead to a nice rapid come up, none of that looking at your clock shit.
For anyone interested the pills are 341mg in weight minus 160mg mdma meaning the pills should contain about 53% binder. Breaking one open and looking inside this looks perfectly plausible
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Anyone tried his pink squares?
I have a dozen in front of me. I'll be dropping soon to test and will review later on, but the other reviews are looking good.
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Anyone tried his pink squares?
I have a dozen in front of me. I'll be dropping soon to test and will review later on, but the other reviews are looking good.
I only tried them in low dosage but im pretty damn sure they are spot on. The only thing there missing is a big 'S' on one side :)
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The pink squares - they're lovely!! Highly recommended.
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Ahh yes i forgot. Fully tested now. Id agree they were definitely around the 160 mark. there was only 3 of us taking them more than half at a time. High quality pills.
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The next roll report is from a dear friend of mine:
This was my second roll ever. First time was 4 months ago and it was great - 100mg, smooth sail and nice calm experience. This time however was completely different.
I rented a cabin in a quiet place with a lot of trees around, and took 110mg of white "pure" powder (flour like) with a good friend.
In the first 30 minutes we just waited for the roll to start. We were in a good mood, listened to music, filled out the bathtub, talked and laughed. Then it started to take effect - we started sweating and I knew it was OK, the heartbeats went faster, and I was waiting for the good feeling to start, It started a little bit - the music sounded nicer, and the sweat on my skin felt nice - but then I retreated back to feeling my body very intensely and having some anxiety about it.
Since then for the next 4 hours I was lying on the bed going between these waves of terrible anxiety - they came in physical waves of intense burning on my skin and stressful thoughts. I kept thinking: "this isn't working! What's going on!" and then relaxed a bit again.
As the hours went by, the waves became shorter, and I started to realize that the good molly impact I was looking for was not going to happen. This whole time I was lying on the bed, barely unable to speak to my friend, move or even open my eyes. I put my hands on my belly trying to calm myself down, and then I started to meditate. I had to let go of wanting the "good" feeling, and the experience started to become more whole - as the good and the bad waves got closer together until they were united to a single experience.
I then started to have visions, deep into my own psyche, looking for fears and anxiety in my own brain. This was very empowering and I've had some strong realizations about the combination and duality of good and bad experiences and good and bad in general.
I started to feel like I was 'landing' a little and then we went into the bathtub, we had a really good conversation. This entire time (also during the "high") I DID NOT have any of the experiences I associated with rolling in my previous experience with it: the tactile intensity, the senses getting sharper, the loving intimacy. It was just those waves, and the sweat and heartbeat. A little bit of nausea too.
I don't know it it's the stuff we took. We got some prime SilkRoad stuff that got a lot of positive reviews and was supposed to be rather pure. We were educated, responsible and still it took me by complete surprise.
Those little anxiety waves lasted for the day after too. I got a little panicky that this might have caused me to develop and anxiety disorder, but now (2 days after) I think it's OK again.
Could it be that perhaps some brains don't respond well to MDMA? Have you ever heard of anything like this happening to somebody? I really don't know what to make of it. At the end of the day, I'd say it was an important experience, but that's only because I practice meditation and was able to turn the situation around and learn from it. This could've turned out devastating I assume. My friend had a better exprience than me - but also, no tectile + loving feeling + etc.
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So my first deal was some of symbiosis's tan MDMA and I was excited to try it out. I got it a while back now but can post in here now so decided to add a review.
It arrived with me a day after ordering and I was impressed by the stealth-it appeared as just a normal package. Double Vacuum sealed as stated on his page. Ordered 1 gram and it weighed in at 1.18g so I was very pleased! It was mainly crushed to a powder, although there were several larger crystals-one of 0.3g which, although not very big, is the biggest I've seen.
So me and a friend bombed 150mg just after arriving at a club.
+1hr: I had good visual clarity, which is usually the first thing I notice-the edge of objects and colors being more defined and brighter. I doubt it was down to the product but it was taking a while to take effect- this has been the case before.
+1.5hrs: My mate is coming up now, he is talking to everyone and generally loving it, although it hasn't hit me yet.
+2hrs: I can feel myself coming up- feel fairly calm about it not anxious at all. Decide to bomb another 65mg.
+3hrs: I've hit the peak now and it's very good MDMA. Feels clean and gives me lots of empathy and a very nice buzz. I don't know why it took so long to hit, as I said it has happened before.
+4hrs: Starting to come down from the peak although the effects are still pretty strong.
+5.5hrs: The comedown is one of the most gentle I've experienced and I'm still wanting to chat to people and still have a bit of a buzz and energy.
+6hrs: Leave now and take a shower. I fall asleep feeling whats left of the high.
The after effects are minimal which is good news! Again I want to state that I don't believe it was the product that caused the slow come-up, I don't know what it was- anyone else have any idea? However, once it did hit, it lasted as long as if it had hit at a normal time which was strange but good.
Overall an excellent product and I was given seamless service with my first SR experience.
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The next roll report is from a dear friend of mine:
Could it be that perhaps some brains don't respond well to MDMA? Have you ever heard of anything like this happening to somebody? I really don't know what to make of it.
Pepomaze... man I think posting that kind of roll report from a friend of yours is bit out of place. You should have posted it in a thread where different drug experiences are pictured, and if your in need of advice concerning it , people can weigh in.
This is after all the sellers thread, only if there would be something wrong with the product it would be ok.
I've bought from the last two patches from Symbiosis. I can assure you that they were both very good quality.
Thing is when your dealing with any neurotoxic drug and human beings, it's always possible to have some unexpected outcome.
To me it sounds like your friend had a severe panic attack.
Once his roll went that way, he probably psyched himself further... This don't happen often but I've heard of some similar cases. He should probably taken something to ease the anxiety once he started panicking and maybe the roll would have found a better path...
And it's no surprise the one rolling with him didn't get that 'high' either, it would be difficult for anyone when your friend is feeling bad and starting to panic ( and by the sound of it both were quit unexperienced, so the other person wasn't also able to calm his friend down... not sure though if it was possible since he clearly pushed himself quit far that way. )
My guess is that in essence this was about fear. Well he basically tells himself that he was having inner experience about fear and anxiety... Thing is MDMA is not only 'love' drug' , it can push you in connection with the inner rivers of your psyche. I'm throwing darts in dark, but it sounds like your friend has lot of fears he has not really faced or dealt with. People can put down the effects of MDMA to serotonin etc. go to physiological side if things... but what the drug truly does is put you in tune with your spirit . . . I used to take MDMA as a rave drug a lot years ago, and the love thing is all good, hanging with people , feeling connected ... but these days I use it more to trip in a way. If you listen , you can suddenly see clear things about yourself and your life. Or if you have an issue you are not really dealing with, then you might find yourself watching straight through it . . .
Naturally I'm only guessing. Since there is no other reports of people getting strange affects from his products this must have been psychosomatic. And to my knowledge Sym has had only two different patches in last 4-5 months, so your friend probably took what I've had myself, and I can assure the product was very good MDMA.
My advice is that your friend keeps away from MDMA at least half a year to year... and if he chooses to try again (since he had earlier one good experience it can all turn to different) he might take even less. Possibly take it alone, so he can only be concerned from himself and how he is truly feeling. And maybe approach it differently, to see what is shown to him . . .
To me it's clear though also that your friend also is someone who could have panic attacks. But those things can come about from many things. And there is nothing to fear really about them... I've had my share of that type of experiences ( not ever though when high on drugs ) . It's no fun, but once you realize it's really only you making it happen, the fear can be pushed aside... In this day and age where life can get so hectic, many people experience some degrees of intense anxiety in some points of our life. Your friend should not be afraid of possibly having a panic attack, otherwise he can bring one on... key is to lose the fear, it's not going to kill him ... just one experience more in this winding journey . . . ( and you are reborn , in electrical storm ... )
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The next roll report is from a dear friend of mine:
Could it be that perhaps some brains don't respond well to MDMA? Have you ever heard of anything like this happening to somebody? I really don't know what to make of it.
Pepomaze... man I think posting that kind of roll report from a friend of yours is bit out of place. You should have posted it in a thread where different drug experiences are pictured, and if your in need of advice concerning it , people can weigh in.
Hey man, Thanks for your reply.
The reason i posted it here is because we both have previous MDMA experiences. lots of them. but never with these results. There are a few more variables in this equations but its silly to repeat this whole thread (you are welcomed to read my posts on the subject.) - Also, I am far from trying to damage any business symbiosis is running. as he has high rating and good reviews - there was probably something mistakenly wrong with my batch.
We were 3 people with experience, all of us claimed it WAS mdma, but something was a bit off\different. I still have some left, i am not going to use it but give it to a friend that will agree to try it.
p.s
in one of the earliest posts about this, before rolling - i mentioned that in the EZTEST kit it became dark purple-black but with really little hinges of yellow/green. (REALLY little.)
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Hey man, Thanks for your reply.
The reason i posted it here is because we both have previous MDMA experiences. lots of them. but never with these results.
Ok maybe I didn't really get the full picture... Your friend at least who had a panic attack was having only his second roll , right ?
And you had a more intense E experience but shorter than usual... kinda hard to see how your and your friends experience are connected. Maybe I'm missing something...
It's difficult to tell if for some strange reason in what you received had something else with MDMA... Naturally it's always possible, but seems somewhat unlikely, why only you...
No-one else has reported anything similar, the rolls I've had were just pretty vivid and full of the 'love' feel . Also you had yourself pretty normal roll, the time issue, that can easily come down to psychological aspects... even if there would be something else in your bag it would be still mostly MDMA, and therefore it's unlikely it would somewhow make the experience shorter. I often feel anxious in beginning if I take a strong dose, I use tobacco and a good homeopathic medicine then to bring me back to peace ...
I do admit having any traces yellow/green in your test sounds strange... http://bunkpolice.org/basic-test-kit/ Your the only one though having that kind of outcome on this thread, I guess you can look that image and pick some substance that could be related to your experience ...
In any case if there would be some other substance included, it being there would have been accident, since you are the only one with these kind of results ...
And I still think it's possible that this all is about your friend panicking and also others over-thinking the experience what you had , coming to conclusion that something was off... but let me know when your friend tries the patch ... maybe not on this thread, feel free to write me , I can always give my opinion ( I'm invested enough now to weigh-in some more and maybe get a clearer understanding what this was about ) ...
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:Just want everyone to know me and my friends tried this "white flour" molly and it may not look or taste like MDMA, but we got fucking floored. One of the single strongest MDMA experiences of my life, holy fuck. Dont doubt this stuff guys. I'm sorry I ever did. :O