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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: smogmonster13 on February 13, 2013, 10:17 pm
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Dear All:
I do love MDMA for its loving empathic qualities (best empathagen), that heart-to-heart, caressing verbally and physically, just-have-to-kiss-you, I love you, you-are-such-a-beautiful-being, effect.
Is there anything else out there like it? Any other empathagens? Please share your experience with any. Thanks to all in advance. :)
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There are MDXX analogs that are right around the same spectrum. idk if they're better or worse...shulgins books are prob a good reference point....umm...besides that- I've heard G is amazing but never tried it sexually...and the 2cx family I've heard as well but havent tried.
Some of the 2c's are similar. 2cb is pretty sexual where as Molly is really sensual if you get me.
2cb is underrated in my opinion.
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Thanks. I heard that 2cb is Shulgin's favorite.
I suspect that MDMA is one of kind, so I hate to go bumbling about trying to find a substitute.
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There are MDXX analogs that are right around the same spectrum. idk if they're better or worse...shulgins books are prob a good reference point....umm...besides that- I've heard G is amazing but never tried it sexually...and the 2cx family I've heard as well but havent tried.
Some of the 2c's are similar. 2cb is pretty sexual where as Molly is really sensual if you get me.
2cb is underrated in my opinion.
I like 2c-b myself, like you I agree with the under-rated opinion.
I mean, it's kinda' like MDMA but it's not, but it is.. but it's not.. Hard to explain, you need to try it to see exactly what I mean.
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I find Foxy (5-MeO-DIPT) pretty sensual and sexual at the same time on a pretty unexplainable level if you take a proper dose. 2c-b can be sexual but I find sex on 2c-i/e much more fun and engaging. I find myself tripping to hard on 2c-b to really get into anything and the body load is a huge turn off. Give Foxy a try with someone and I can tell you the conversations are endless especially if there is physical contact then it becomes an unexplainable experience.
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There are many, one I want to mention is MDAI because it's still available legally in many places. You get a bit of a mood lift, feel more relaxed and emphatic, and this without stimulant effects so your head remains clear. Pleasant little substance, doesn't feel 'narcotic' if you know what I mean.
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LSd can be very empathic in the right set and setting.
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I've heard that DOC can have these effects under the right circumstances, but haven't had the chance to try it out yet.
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i'm surprised no one's mentioned ghb! euphoric, empathic, sensual, sexual... seems to fit the bill.
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After hearing you, I'm interested in 2cb, LSD and Foxy (which I've never even heard of). Thanks. I will try to find more information about them. I'll be especially interested in information like cross-tolerance with MDMA as I plan on trying to maintain the magic for as long as possible by using it no more than every four months (takes some will!).
BTW: Slicksuit that's some impressive good Karma you have!
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LSD would be my favorite also (with a good set and setting it tops MDMA tmho).
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I definitely want to try LSD (have some of Tessellated's) but haven't found the set and setting. I also understand it creates MDMA tolerance.
How would you describe the way it makes you feel compared to MDMA. I know this is difficult and subjective.
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I've heard 5-MeO-MIPT is better than 5-MeO-DIPT and its not scheduled in US
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5-MeO-MIPT is much smoother than 5-MeO-DIPT.
2C-B is also good, as if GHB.
Mescaline (low dose) + GHB goes into a delightful empathic space...
BG
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lol well, in my opinion, the closest substance ive found to mdma is 4-fa.
it requires a slightly higher dose, but is very empathogenic and euphoric. more so than the cathinones thaat are around in my opinion.
*EDIT*
and not to be an asshole or discount any of the other posts, but a lot of the other substances mentioned are quite a bit more "serious" than mdma....
for example the 2cs, or the doxs, or lsd, etc.
thats all a little bit beyond empathogenic and more leaning towards entactogenic(reaching the god within)
the 5-meo-mipt is decent in the empathogenic area, quite a gentle substance.
4-ho-mipt was both empathogenic and entactogenic for me.
it was highly spiritual, AND very loving and social at the same time.
but with all of the more serious stuff considered, i still highly recommend 4-fa as an mdma replacement.
its the closest thing to it that ive seen listed on here.
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I definitely want to try LSD (have some of Tessellated's) but haven't found the set and setting. I also understand it creates MDMA tolerance.
How would you describe the way it makes you feel compared to MDMA. I know this is difficult and subjective.
Well,
on both MDMA and LSD you can feel very euphoric.
But MDMA is in "in your body" experience, while LSD is an "in your mind experience" (and sometimes even out of your body).
LSD is also a stimulant and can keep you awake for some time (which is nice to enjoy the feeling), but MDMA can put you asleep quite quickly if you take it at a moment when you're tired.
I've had bad experiences on both products also ("bad trips") but when that happens on LSD you learn a lot from it, when it happens on MDMA you just have a chitty time.
MDMA is probably "easier" to use than LSD (set and settings are not an issue when taking MDMA, at least not in my opinion - while with LSD set and setting and guide make the whole difference).
You can feel "mushy" or "fluffy" on both products, but with LSD that feeling will be more intense.
Open those "doors of perception", that's something that can change your life (tmo for a better) and that will not happen on MDMA...
but, to be honest, both are lots of fun if you use them wisely! ;D
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My favorite quote about 5-MeO-DIPT by dkmonk. I love readng this. Id imagine 5-MeO-MIPT is even better ::)
OMFG Foxy (5-MEO-DiPT) is the best shit I have ever had that went with sex. Not only does it make you feel like your body is going to orgasm from every touch, but when you thrust it sends tingles all over your body like you just shot up some good meth. It makes your partner look like they are glowing with beauty. The girl I was with was already good looking but this intensified to where she looked like a Greek Goddess, and when I say glowing I mean it literally it looked like she had this unwordly glow of absolute perfection. I fucked the whole night long, and it made me such an animal! I was doing and saying things I never thought I would say, it totally unleashed any inhibition I had in me. I probably got off in her at least 5 or 6 times and the orgasm is so powerful you feel like it can't get any better or you might just pass out.
To anyone who thinks I am exaggerating I am not at all if anything this is an understatement. I don't exaggerate you can look at my reviews I give on here. Hands down the best sexual experience and 2nd best experience of my life! It makes the elixir of sex meth look like a boner pill.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=33008.855 :)
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This is some great information. Just the kind of discussion I was hoping for. There's some great experience and wisdom out there. Thanks for sharing.
And btw, Wavelength, I'd never heard of 4fa until now. Thanks. Good Karma on you. -- mmm, karma.
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And btw, Wavelength, I'd never heard of 4fa until now. Thanks. Good Karma on you. -- mmm, karma.
Regarding 4-FA there's a page with some info about it (maybe more than 1, but I know of this one) -
you might wanna check it out:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=7350.msg65874#msg65874
also the link down that page to a clearnet website can give you lots of info...
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And btw, Wavelength, I'd never heard of 4fa until now. Thanks. Good Karma on you. -- mmm, karma.
Regarding 4-FA there's a page with some info about it (maybe more than 1, but I know of this one) -
you might wanna check it out:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=7350.msg65874#msg65874
also the link down that page to a clearnet website can give you lots of info...
I will check out the links, thanks. Have you tried it?
Anyone else had experience with 4-FA?
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3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylcathinone.......... BK-MDMA
Personally I relish BK-MDMA......In my opinion 250mg rolled up in tissue paper and swallowed with a glass of Champers will do the trick.
Do a google on Methylone (BK-MDMA)
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And btw, Wavelength, I'd never heard of 4fa until now. Thanks. Good Karma on you. -- mmm, karma.
Regarding 4-FA there's a page with some info about it (maybe more than 1, but I know of this one) -
you might wanna check it out:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=7350.msg65874#msg65874
also the link down that page to a clearnet website can give you lots of info...
I will check out the links, thanks. Have you tried it?
Anyone else had experience with 4-FA?
I was looking @ it... but then I did some more research...
since I tried a lot of RC many years ago and almost none of them really had a "waow-effect" I'm not really fond of trying another one, especially when such "!!!****!!!" are being posted about it...
Is it information or desinformation, I don't know - but there are enough products out there that will do (approximately) the same to you and where the effects on the human body are much better known and understood. Personally, I'd rather stick to those than try some more RC's... but, to be honest, my mind could change if I find some more research on it/info on it...
It's all about: "how much damage are you willing to endure because of the experiences you want to have"... and then: "what experiences do you really wanna have?"... Psychedelics are great and most of them have been used for ages (mescaline, ayahuasca, iboga, 'shrooms) those products are worth my time, effort and "damage"... but an RC (4-FMA in this case)...? No, thx...for now.
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And btw, Wavelength, I'd never heard of 4fa until now. Thanks. Good Karma on you. -- mmm, karma.
Regarding 4-FA there's a page with some info about it (maybe more than 1, but I know of this one) -
you might wanna check it out:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=7350.msg65874#msg65874
also the link down that page to a clearnet website can give you lots of info...
I will check out the links, thanks. Have you tried it?
Anyone else had experience with 4-FA?
I was looking @ it... but then I did some more research...
since I tried a lot of RC many years ago and almost none of them really had a "waow-effect" I'm not really fond of trying another one, especially when such "!!!****!!!" are being posted about it...
Is it information or desinformation, I don't know - but there are enough products out there that will do (approximately) the same to you and where the effects on the human body are much better known and understood. Personally, I'd rather stick to those than try some more RC's... but, to be honest, my mind could change if I find some more research on it/info on it...
It's all about: "how much damage are you willing to endure because of the experiences you want to have"... and then: "what experiences do you really wanna have?"... Psychedelics are great and most of them have been used for ages (mescaline, ayahuasca, iboga, 'shrooms) those products are worth my time, effort and "damage"... but an RC (4-FMA in this case)...? No, thx...for now.
4-fa and 4-fma are two different substances friend. might want to make sure you are looking into the right substance before you bash it.
***AND 4-fa was shown to NOT destroy serotonin in the brain in rats. although its rats, the information usually translates.
in 6 hours, the rats brains had returned to normal levels.
sounds much more safe than mdma to me in theory, even though its not as well known.