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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: QuickSilverHawk on October 05, 2013, 04:15 am

Title: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: QuickSilverHawk on October 05, 2013, 04:15 am
I first learned about Sheep Marketplace the day SR was taken down.

Why did so many of us flock over there...
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: USASupply on October 05, 2013, 04:34 am
ignorance,
desperation,
human nature of finding a rebound. (rebounds are always a HUGE mistake)

i have been saying since day 1 i do not trust them, i am out alot of business and will not go there still. The buyers are just not there yet to justify a $200 deposit (plus i think its a set up, LE commonly impersonate people with bad english skills, like the admin RE: Carding forums). I would rather pay $10k for a new SR than $50 for sheep.... We lost 90% of the buyers and 10% of the sellers, not a good market model. mark my words, that place is trouble though.

I recommend everybody wait, there will be a new SR, don't risk yourselves on these sketchy places. at least go to BMR for now, they are trusted.
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: Chip Douglas on October 05, 2013, 05:01 am
USASupply - You make total sense.

Also the name.- Sheep?

I'm no sheeple. I'll never be a sheeple.

I'll be one of the sheeple herders, or a sheeple dog, but I'd rather take poison than be a sheeple.

I was all signed up, since early this afternoon, have my btc's - amazingly I had just set up an alternate wallet 2 days ago.

Something has been preventing me from sending bitcoins to that site. I mean like fate. - Interruptions. Lady needed help with her car next door.
Then I got into discussion after discussion with other 'roaders. Now I know why. - God was saving me from making that mistake.

He wanted me to read what you wrote. - I think I need to get off this laptop and give my head and hands a rest!
I'm getting carpal tunnel syndrome!!!

I'm putting everything off for the next 24 hours. Very good advice. Sometimes the simplest thought is the most important.

I'm fucking delirious from all of this!

Be safe! Remember, you're being watched! - anything you don't want LEO to know, take it to PM's with PGP !!!!

~Chip~
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: MacyGrey on October 05, 2013, 05:50 am
Seconded USASupply, I was going to say the same thing, everyone needs and expects to acquire a rebound as fast as possible only for their satisfaction, total disregard to safety and common sense.

I even find it shady to be charging $89 or so to vend, and now they charge $200....they said it was to keep scammers away, if that was the case they should have always had it $200. (Im seeing it as the 3 letter agencies just want to take even more BTC ...and raising the price now is a good way to do that if one of them or similar agencies did run it).

Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: IForgotMyFuckingPassword on October 05, 2013, 06:07 am
ignorance,
desperation,
human nature of finding a rebound. (rebounds are always a HUGE mistake)

i have been saying since day 1 i do not trust them, i am out alot of business and will not go there still. The buyers are just not there yet to justify a $200 deposit (plus i think its a set up, LE commonly impersonate people with bad english skills, like the admin RE: Carding forums). I would rather pay $10k for a new SR than $50 for sheep.... We lost 90% of the buyers and 10% of the sellers, not a good market model. mark my words, that place is trouble though.

I recommend everybody wait, there will be a new SR, don't risk yourselves on these sketchy places. at least go to BMR for now, they are trusted.

I've been here since the summer of 2011. I swore I'd never go anywhere else because SR was the most sophisticated of all the drug sites and had wide array of quality products. And the fucking escrow system was fucking awesome.

That said I've totally got hooked on the idea of having any drug I want at my fingertips on demand. So, ummm, yeah, signed up for sheep today. I followed of the drug and freedom sheeple to a new pasture.

Seriously though I am totally addicted to the Cali medical and the straight from the pharmacy Adderall. Oh and fucking shrooms in all seasons too.

BMR was my first choice, but their registration is closed. That's how loyal I was to SR; I never registered with any of the other sites before.

Now what was I saying? Oh yeah BAAAAHHH
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: USASupply on October 05, 2013, 06:16 am
Logo = black sheep: noun -  1. A member of a family or other group who is considered undesirable or disreputable. 2. A person or thing that can not be trusted.

They raised the price not for the money but because a .89 (even a 1.3) btc seller fee is laughable. It should not be a "fee" it should be a bond, refundable. They raised the price expecting the influx and knowing any reasonable vendor would not take a .89 btc bond seriously, anybody could do it. SR was good at 600, 600 is a decent risk for people just starting up and that was the point, you can scam just 1 person on .89/1.3 and make a profit. But that's not the point. These people are making these places for PROFIT only and can not be trusted. We here in the SR community love profit but we understand This is so much more and many people are DONATING their time for the revival.

 I know for a fact Sr will be back better than ever, 2.0 is underway and this is confirmed. We have lost too many people in this battle, some must be loss for a war to be won, but it was more than needed. I know people in need will need their stuff, but anybody who will not be going through withdrawals and is concerned for their safety, help with 2.0 or sit and stay in the community until completion to give support. It will never be finished without community support, nobody is getting paid keep in mind. The only way it will work if there is incentive to develop it. If everybody goes to sheep or BMR permenantly, SR will be a thing of the past and 2.0 will be lost. Sheep and bmr will never surpass SR and will most likely always be a fraction of what we once were. 2.0 will be just that, better. More buyers = more vendors, more vendors = more buyers. Stick together guys! remember... united we stand, divided we fall.

Excuse my rants, we are broke and tired, and ready to get everything back in order.

Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: Cimicon-Rep on October 05, 2013, 06:21 am
We don't have high hopes or confidence in sheep either. I can imagine them amassing a slew of coins in escrow and then hitting the kill switch and absconding with all that coin leaving buyers and sellers on the hook.

Really feeling the loss of SR. Hurts all the more knowing how SR got taken. Our fearless leader didn't practice what he preached.
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: IForgotMyFuckingPassword on October 05, 2013, 06:29 am

 I know for a fact Sr will be back better than ever, 2.0 is underway and this is confirmed. We have lost too many people in this battle, some must be loss for a war to be won, but it was more than needed. I know people in need will need their stuff, but anybody who will not be going through withdrawals and is concerned for their safety, help with 2.0 or sit and stay in the community until completion to give support. It will never be finished without community support, nobody is getting paid keep in mind. The only way it will work if there is incentive to develop it. If everybody goes to sheep or BMR permenantly, SR will be a thing of the past and 2.0 will be lost. Sheep and bmr will never surpass SR and will most likely always be a fraction of what we once were. 2.0 will be just that, better. More buyers = more vendors, more vendors = more buyers. Stick together guys! remember... united we stand, divided we fall.
Ummm yeah I believe that in all, but in the meantime, a boy's gotta be prepared. I'll be hanging out in the forums for a while and I'm not giving up on SR, but when I run outta weed, something's gotta be done. They'll do in the mean time. I've been here forever. I'm curious about how this is gonna unfold. I'm not abandoning SR. I'm just being practical.

Excuse my rants, we are broke and tired, and ready to get everything back in order.
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: Hungry ghost on October 05, 2013, 06:35 am
I have no idea whether or not Sheep market place will turn out OK or not, wil have to wait for dust to settle. Even if its not a honeypot there's going to be a lot of scamming going on, and its security protocols are untested. I will not be basing my decision based on the associations oif the word 'sheep' that's for sure.
      BMR has at least been going for a while and so has established vendors and feedback,  but just doesn't seem to meet my particular needs (and is fucking fucking slow as fuck.)
       Its back to the street for me for now. Can get everything I want cheaper (if not always as consistently high quality) than SR anyway, but I miss the choice and the excitement of waiting for the postman!
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: 4am on October 05, 2013, 06:45 am
Just like any breakup after a relationship, I'll be taking a break from the game for a little while and regroup. I advise everyone else to do the same. Don't make rash decisions just because your bitcoin wallet hurts.

Take a break and go back to the way life used to be, get your head straight. It's safe to say that a lot of us could be a bit delusional about the safety of using services like this due to Silk Road's long and seemingly invincible run. Examine and be skeptical of the whole online black market scene just as you were when you first found Silk Road. I sure as hell won't be getting anywhere near this scene again until I've gotten my security measures as tight as possible and a place emerges that has proven itself to be as secure and legitimate as SR.

EDIT: Security from three letter agencies aside, who's to say that BMR/DeepBay/Sheep won't capitalize on all the SR refugee's flooding their sites? Once they amass a peak level of BTC it seems like a great idea to retire the site with that massive lump sum than to keep it going and face the fate of DPR....
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: unbiased on October 05, 2013, 11:59 am
The fact that they raised the vendor price implies it's not a trap.  A sudden drop in price, or a signup discount, would be more suspicious.

I'm not defending the place, just making a point.
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: HitTheRoad on October 05, 2013, 01:59 pm
USASupply - You make total sense.

Also the name.- Sheep?

I'm no sheeple. I'll never be a sheeple.

I'll be one of the sheeple herders, or a sheeple dog, but I'd rather take poison than be a sheeple.

I was all signed up, since early this afternoon, have my btc's - amazingly I had just set up an alternate wallet 2 days ago.

Something has been preventing me from sending bitcoins to that site. I mean like fate. - Interruptions. Lady needed help with her car next door.
Then I got into discussion after discussion with other 'roaders. Now I know why. - God was saving me from making that mistake.

He wanted me to read what you wrote. - I think I need to get off this laptop and give my head and hands a rest!
I'm getting carpal tunnel syndrome!!!

I'm putting everything off for the next 24 hours. Very good advice. Sometimes the simplest thought is the most important.

I'm fucking delirious from all of this!

Be safe! Remember, you're being watched! - anything you don't want LEO to know, take it to PM's with PGP !!!!

~Chip~

Was enquiring in another thread about using a bitcoin wallet locally on my machine and backing it up instead of leaving my coins in my Silk Road account but never got around to it and we all know what happened then! Didn't lose much but could have still had a few coins safe had I acted on my intuition!

Any advice on a wallet to use locally? Cheers!
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: DefyCode on October 05, 2013, 02:05 pm
USASupply - You make total sense.

Also the name.- Sheep?

I'm no sheeple. I'll never be a sheeple.

I'll be one of the sheeple herders, or a sheeple dog, but I'd rather take poison than be a sheeple.

I was all signed up, since early this afternoon, have my btc's - amazingly I had just set up an alternate wallet 2 days ago.

Something has been preventing me from sending bitcoins to that site. I mean like fate. - Interruptions. Lady needed help with her car next door.
Then I got into discussion after discussion with other 'roaders. Now I know why. - God was saving me from making that mistake.

He wanted me to read what you wrote. - I think I need to get off this laptop and give my head and hands a rest!
I'm getting carpal tunnel syndrome!!!

I'm putting everything off for the next 24 hours. Very good advice. Sometimes the simplest thought is the most important.

I'm fucking delirious from all of this!

Be safe! Remember, you're being watched! - anything you don't want LEO to know, take it to PM's with PGP !!!!

~Chip~

Was enquiring in another thread about using a bitcoin wallet locally on my machine and backing it up instead of leaving my coins in my Silk Road account but never got around to it and we all know what happened then! Didn't lose much but could have still had a few coins safe had I acted on my intuition!

Any advice on a wallet to use locally? Cheers!

Use electrum. Awesome little app.
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: oldcactushand on October 05, 2013, 02:39 pm
Aside from the name of the site (I don't think we're going to work out what's LE or not based on names), can someone name the exact risks?

If it's a honeypot and vendors and customers are using PGP then what's the difference? Even if customers don't use it (which at this point would be fucking astounding), all they're going to catch is buyers, right? And even then, assuming they're going to try and go after big buyers/IRL sellers (the ones that don't use encryption), which means they're going to have to facilitate a lot of actual drug deals where people get drugs and dealers get paid before making a couple of larger, but still essentially small, busts...

Am I missing something here? The real risks I've seen linked to this market are security risks that frankly go over my head, and are related to external elements gaining control of servers or whatever... I believe that, but does a LE actually setting up the market make much sense?
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: HitTheRoad on October 05, 2013, 08:41 pm
There's no Escrow either apparently so how does it work? Is it all finalize when product arrives or the other way around or decided between the two parties?
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: HitTheRoad on October 05, 2013, 08:46 pm
USASupply - You make total sense.

Also the name.- Sheep?

I'm no sheeple. I'll never be a sheeple.

I'll be one of the sheeple herders, or a sheeple dog, but I'd rather take poison than be a sheeple.

I was all signed up, since early this afternoon, have my btc's - amazingly I had just set up an alternate wallet 2 days ago.

Something has been preventing me from sending bitcoins to that site. I mean like fate. - Interruptions. Lady needed help with her car next door.
Then I got into discussion after discussion with other 'roaders. Now I know why. - God was saving me from making that mistake.

He wanted me to read what you wrote. - I think I need to get off this laptop and give my head and hands a rest!
I'm getting carpal tunnel syndrome!!!

I'm putting everything off for the next 24 hours. Very good advice. Sometimes the simplest thought is the most important.

I'm fucking delirious from all of this!

Be safe! Remember, you're being watched! - anything you don't want LEO to know, take it to PM's with PGP !!!!

~Chip~

Was enquiring in another thread about using a bitcoin wallet locally on my machine and backing it up instead of leaving my coins in my Silk Road account but never got around to it and we all know what happened then! Didn't lose much but could have still had a few coins safe had I acted on my intuition!

Any advice on a wallet to use locally? Cheers!

Use electrum. Awesome little app.

Cheers but not sure I'd like evidence of bitcoin transfers on my phone and my reason is if lets say I was visited by police or whoever I'm not sure I could get evidence off my phone as quick as having my hard disk offsite or wiped and replaced with my clean hard disk. Can it be removed from a phone quick enough and where are you coins backed up?
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: ripplingwalls on October 05, 2013, 08:47 pm
ignorance,
desperation,
human nature of finding a rebound. (rebounds are always a HUGE mistake)

i have been saying since day 1 i do not trust them, i am out alot of business and will not go there still. The buyers are just not there yet to justify a $200 deposit (plus i think its a set up, LE commonly impersonate people with bad english skills, like the admin RE: Carding forums). I would rather pay $10k for a new SR than $50 for sheep.... We lost 90% of the buyers and 10% of the sellers, not a good market model. mark my words, that place is trouble though.

I recommend everybody wait, there will be a new SR, don't risk yourselves on these sketchy places. at least go to BMR for now, they are trusted.

I've been here since the summer of 2011. I swore I'd never go anywhere else because SR was the most sophisticated of all the drug sites and had wide array of quality products. And the fucking escrow system was fucking awesome.





THIS. that shit about the amazing escrow system, read my posts on "do not join silkroad 2.0" i have a pretty good proposition for a new site, i think EVERYONE should read about. the new "silk road" needs to be an anonymous escrow service, no listings no drugs on the home page being shown. a site with SR's badass escrow service and nothing else, just a platform where people go to conduct biz on. simple and clean
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: realdeals on October 05, 2013, 09:08 pm
ARE YOU GUYS RETARDED ???????????
i'm a vendor on sheep en there is an escrow system.
The only thing I dont like is the forums.. but hey its all about the dope right?
sheep or camel who cares? Sheep looks more prefessional then silkroad and its allot faster.
Who cares about the 200 dollar?
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: HitTheRoad on October 05, 2013, 09:17 pm
ARE YOU GUYS RETARDED ???????????
i'm a vendor on sheep en there is an escrow system.
The only thing I dont like is the forums.. but hey its all about the dope right?
sheep or camel who cares? Sheep looks more prefessional then silkroad and its allot faster.
Who cares about the 200 dollar?

Thought I saw a thread about bringing in escrow. Maybe I should have read to the end! Is it only recent?
Title: Re: Sheep - Hold Up
Post by: IForgotMyFuckingPassword on October 05, 2013, 10:38 pm
I've been here since the summer of 2011. I swore I'd never go anywhere else because SR was the most sophisticated of all the drug sites and had wide array of quality products. And the fucking escrow system was fucking awesome.
THIS. that shit about the amazing escrow system, read my posts on "do not join silkroad 2.0" i have a pretty good proposition for a new site, i think EVERYONE should read about. the new "silk road" needs to be an anonymous escrow service, no listings no drugs on the home page being shown. a site with SR's badass escrow service and nothing else, just a platform where people go to conduct biz on. simple and clean
I disagree with your posts that say anything associated with the SR brand will be taken down immediately. But I do agree that it'd be taken down eventually.

To be honest, ANY hidden site associated with drug transactions is vulnerable to takedown. First it was TFM. Then SR. In between those two, OVDB and Atlantis both folded. So whether we're talking BMR, SM, or SR 2.0, all are on the radar of the US government.

I'm not really comfortable joining ANY site that was conceived here and whose construction/design/implementation was discussed on these forums. That's not smart, especially so soon after SR was taken down. This should be done privately.

And I know the name isn't trademarked, but I think it's shitty to build a site based on someone else's idea and using the reputation/credibility built by them. Also, I think it gives people a false sense of security as SR was one of the most secure black markets ever created. Out of respect for the hard work and dedication of DPR and his staff and volunteers, any new marketplace should have a new name. If there was no contingency plans for this kind of situation, then SR should be allowed to rest in peace.

Anyway, I've been poking around on http://6zyze2mkwyla7jwe.onion and am unimpressed at this point.

I don't think that not having "listings" will help. If it's successful, it will eventually draw media attention. After that, it'd end up being in the same position as SR was, right square in the middle of the government's cross-hairs. There are three problems: people can't keep their fucking mouths shut, it's hard to generate sales without publicity (obviously it takes a good deal of revenue to keep these sites running, and a smaller user base would lead to much higher fees), and the media gets way too fucking involved once word gets out(it's one thing to report on SR, but why do they have to buy drugs, take screenshots, and publish photos of their merchandise and its packaging?) The first Gawker article, while it rapidly increased the user base, is what first drew the ire of the Feds. From there, Pandora's box had been opened. All of the articles and statistical analyses of SR that were published did far more damage then anything DPR said publicly (including the fucking Forbes interview that a lot of people are trying to blame for this -- I read that article; absolutely nothing significant was revealed in it).