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Title: Bad experience with ENBOOM
Post by: poolsclosed on June 10, 2012, 07:17 pm
Since ENBOOM put his profile on stealth you can't see any feedback so I'm going to share a bad experience I just had with him to help warn others.

I ordered a small bag of what I thought was going to be MDPPP (it was categorized as such) but was actually MPPP and a small bag of 2C-T-7. When they arrived I noticed the bag labeled MPPP and asked ENBOOM about it. He said it was the stimulant MPPP. I looked up the dosage on bluelight and was very sad to see it was not as potent as MDPPP, but I tried it anyway. I took the entire bag, 93mg, and felt nothing except some light stimulation, less than you'd get from caffeine. I messaged ENBOOM about it and he said that since I consumed the bag it wasn't his responsibility since his vendor page says he sells stuff not for human consumption!

So later I took 30mg of the 2C-T-7 and to my unpleasant surprise I didn't really trip. I had some blurriness in my vision but that's it. However I was struck with intense anxiety and paranoia, and I had the bad feeling that inanimate objects were alive and looking at me or that there were monsters hiding around corners or behind things. I was able to keep my cool, thank goodness, but I basically had 8+ hours of fear with no visuals or anything to go with it. I don't think what I took was 2C-T-7, and honestly I'm a little worried for my health. At least I'm alive now. I messaged ENBOOM complaining about it and he said he wouldn't be bullied into a refund. None of his other customers had problems, he said. But when I ordered these two listings they disappeared after I ordered them. And then he went on stealth.

I thought I'd share this with the forums. I'm pretty sure that he gave me something different than what I ordered, thankfully I didn't die. I learned a new lesson about testing chemicals before taking them, I can assure you that.
Title: Re: Bad experience with ENBOOM
Post by: zingzong on June 10, 2012, 09:56 pm
He's always been straight up with me. Got a few different RCs without issues. Sorry you had a bad experience  :-[
Title: Re: Bad experience with ENBOOM
Post by: poolsclosed on June 11, 2012, 01:10 am
He's always been straight up with me. Got a few different RCs without issues. Sorry you had a bad experience  :-[
People said the same about tony.
Title: Re: Bad experience with ENBOOM
Post by: ENBOOM on June 11, 2012, 02:07 am
Regarding this situation:

Buyer misunderstood my consumption policy, I was not saying that because he consumed it  I was not responsible for it, I was merely saying I do not deal with consumption talk, Though Silk Road is a relatively safe place to be, I will not risk my personal Freedom because somebody wants to talk to me about consuming chemical analogues.  DON'T ENDANGER ME.

The MPPP that the customer ordered was labeled as MPPP in my listing, it was under the MDPPP category because SR didn't have an MPPP category. So I put it in the next closest thing, I figured that the people reading the listing would understand that it was MPPP as that's what the Listing name was.  I even said in the details that it was MPPP not MDPPP.

Regarding T7, This is the same t7, I have sold in the past, which other customers have had no issues with.  I've sold over 5g over the last 10months.  I've even Reagent tested it to confirm it to the best of my current ability with Mecke test. According to Dancesafe: "If the reagent turns a bright reddish-orange and fades to a deep reddish-purple, this indicates the presence of 2CT-7. "  Which it did.

I can post private messages regarding this situation if any customers are concerned about it.

I'm not going to hand out a refund to somebody who tells me : ". It doesn't matter what I do
with what you sell me, because I know you didn't sell me what I ordered.
What I want to do with what I buy is my own business. You still sold me
bunk. I'm lucky to be alive, for all I know you could have given me
poison."

When I know for a fact what i sold is the chemicals in question.  He's publicly claiming I sold him poison?

Reality Check: Psychedelic's can cause anxiety and paranoia, you likely convinced yourself I had sold you poison which I didn't.
In fact your description is of a bad trip. So why call what I sold you poison?

Also regarding t7, if you do a little research you can see that there are some drug related deaths to combinations of it, due to it being an MAOI.   If you've done ANY research regarding this chemical which I expect all of my customers to do, you'd know that this is NOT a safe phenethylamine.   

I have a long running Vendor account over 10 months, with 99+ positive feedback.  And you're comparing me to tony.  I have not scammed you, rather it appears you're trying to scam me and bully me into a refund.

No thanks.

Title: Re: Bad experience with ENBOOM
Post by: ProfADaemon on June 11, 2012, 03:21 am
I snorted 5mg of ENBOOM's 2C-T-7 and it was as pure as any 2C-T-7 I've had in the past dozen years. 2C-T-7 doesn't work orally for everyone (that's not specific to ENBOOM's batch, I ate 80mg of a different batch once and felt nothing when it had others tripping on small amounts) but 5-10mg up the nose is killer.
Title: Re: Bad experience with ENBOOM
Post by: Devaney1984 on June 11, 2012, 03:58 am
You have to be careful w/RC's.... especially one linked w/several deaths and lots of bad publicity like T7.  I wouldn't be so fast to call them bunk because you had a bad time.  There are a lot of erowid posts about that shit makes me never want to try it due to it affecting people differently and some people being completely miserable on it while others get euphoric.
Title: Re: Bad experience with ENBOOM
Post by: poolsclosed on June 11, 2012, 09:52 pm
I snorted 5mg of ENBOOM's 2C-T-7 and it was as pure as any 2C-T-7 I've had in the past dozen years. 2C-T-7 doesn't work orally for everyone (that's not specific to ENBOOM's batch, I ate 80mg of a different batch once and felt nothing when it had others tripping on small amounts) but 5-10mg up the nose is killer.
Are you sure about the oral dose thing? Because I tried to do my research about 2C-T-7 before taking it about stuff like that and I didn't see anything. After taking it I continued to research and all I ever saw said that I should have had visual effects from it. But this is the sort of thing I was looking to find so I knew whether or not it was my error or ENBOOM's.

You have to be careful w/RC's.... especially one linked w/several deaths and lots of bad publicity like T7.  I wouldn't be so fast to call them bunk because you had a bad time.  There are a lot of erowid posts about that shit makes me never want to try it due to it affecting people differently and some people being completely miserable on it while others get euphoric.
Well, it's not that I had a "bad time," I just didn't have any expected effects. I didn't really trip, I just got paranoid. I figured that meant I wasn't given T7. I had researched it plenty before taking it, that's why I went with 30mg instead of more, because that's the recommended max. Hell, if I took the max, don't you think I would have seen visual shit? Although I am aware of the wide array of psychological effects.

Reality Check: Psychedelic's can cause anxiety and paranoia, you likely convinced yourself I had sold you poison which I didn't.
In fact your description is of a bad trip. So why call what I sold you poison?
I'm quite aware that anxiety and paranoia are common side effects of psychedelics. Not hallucinating, however, is not a common side effect of psychedelics. So you can see where I'm coming from where I believe I got some sort of psychoactive that I don't know what it is and that could be dangerous to my health!

I have a long running Vendor account over 10 months, with 99+ positive feedback.  And you're comparing me to tony.  I have not scammed you, rather it appears you're trying to scam me and bully me into a refund.
tony had a long running vendor account with 99+ positive feedback too! Why would a random buyer try to "scam" you for ~$40? What's a real scam is selling 100mg of MPPP for $20, whether or not I even got MPPP (because 100mg should have gotten me stimmed). I wanted my money back because I wasn't satisfied with your product.

As far as your claims of having sold the same T7 to others... (1) I have no proof that you gave me the same batch as you gave others, (2) you aren't selling it anymore because apparently I got the last of it, and that's quite suspicious, and (3) you put your profile in stealth mode shortly before my packages arrived. To a buyer that looks suspicious!

Being a long-standing vendor means nothing... any vendor can decide at any moment to scam a buyer. We've seen that countless times. So there is no reason for me to treat you with more credibility than I would another vendor. To me I see two bags sent to me which don't seem to contain what I wanted to purchase. What I do in this situation is to confront the vendor directly and then failing a resolution that way take it to the forums. It's got nothing to do with me trying to scam anyone, it's actually the way I try to help others from getting scammed!
Title: Re: Bad experience with ENBOOM
Post by: ENBOOM on June 12, 2012, 01:10 am


As far as your claims of having sold the same T7 to others... (1) I have no proof that you gave me the same batch as you gave others
How does one even prove this?

 (2) you aren't selling it anymore because apparently I got the last of it, and that's quite suspicious
So me running out of products I'm selling is suspicious, I sold 4 of those packets on the same day.

, and (3) you put your profile in stealth mode shortly before my packages arrived. To a buyer that looks suspicious!
I go in and out of stealth mode CONSTANTLY, all of my buyers know this, it's to prevent getting overloaded

Being a long-standing vendor means nothing... any vendor can decide at any moment to scam a buyer. We've seen that countless times. So there is no reason for me to treat you with more credibility than I would another vendor. To me I see two bags sent to me which don't seem to contain what I wanted to purchase. What I do in this situation is to confront the vendor directly and then failing a resolution that way take it to the forums. It's got nothing to do with me trying to scam anyone, it's actually the way I try to help others from getting scammed!

Tony was around for months, he asked people to finalize early (Which I don't do, unless int'l)  I understand you're upset, However, I'm not a scammer, I'm just a vendor that sticks to his policies, by buying from me, you accept them if you read it, you'd know this.

So I understand that you were upset with your situation, However I did not scam you, and held up EVERY part of my end of the deal.
Title: Re: Bad experience with ENBOOM
Post by: dubdubbawobwob on June 12, 2012, 01:39 am
First off, let me say that ENBOOM has been the most reliable vendor that I have ever done business with. Never has he mislabeled, lied, or shorted on any product that he's sold.

Secondly, to poolsclosed: Your complaint sounds more like a report of a bad trip, and not indicative of the business practices, legitimacy of advertised product, and purity of the substance involved (factors which SHOULD go into a proper SR feedback rating). 2c-t-7 dosed orally is unreliable in terms of effects, some may need 15mg, and others may need many times that. I've bought 2c-t-7 off of ENBOOM and it has peformed completely up to standards. 2c-t-7 snorted produces much more consistent results which you might want to consider next time you take some...

Also, I checked out ENBOOM's listings, and while he did list a product under MDPPP, in the description he CLEARLY stated that it was MPPP. I'm sure he listed his MPPP under "MDPPP" since SR doesn't offer an MPPP category (I checked). According to many first-hand sources, MPPP is only slightly stimulating, which goes hand in hand with your comment that at 94mg MPPP, you "felt nothing except some light stimulation."

This is clearly an improper review of ENBOOMS services. If the buyer knew more about what chemicals he bought, their effects, and how to properly dose them, then I think he would have had a different response. All in all, I think that the buyer is inexperienced with these RCs (or RCs in general), and that his complaints reflect this fact.
Title: Re: Bad experience with ENBOOM
Post by: poolsclosed on June 12, 2012, 01:35 pm
All right, I'm a reasonable man. I can be willing to admit I am wrong. I want to explain myself though.

For starters, when dealing with SR, you really shouldn't trust anyone 100%. This is the motto I work with when I deal with vendors. So I don't see ENBOOM as a "trusted vendor" or anything like that, I see him as just another vendor. So when I have two bad experiences with his products, to me, that means scammer, or at least incompetent. But I realize that it's very possible than a number of things could have happened that made my perception flawed.

However, I am -not- an incompetent or novice user. I have never taken 2C-T-7, but I have taken 2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-E, 2C-P, and 25I. I've also taken many other RCs, and many other psychedelics, dissociatives, and stimulants. I know what a bad trip is! I know I had one on the T7 I was given. But the lack of visuals makes me think it was not what it was sold as. That's just where I'm coming from.

Now, ENBOOM was good with shipping and communication, and helped me clear up the MDPPP/MPPP thing. But when I realized I had MPPP I wondered why he would have charged so much for a single dose... and I took that with a grain of salt. Then my T7 experience... well, you see.

I tried to research the chemicals before taking them AND after taking them and being dissatisfied AND before complaining! But still, some knowledge eludes me. I am not perfect, obviously! I did not know that insufflation of T7 was more consistent. I read a report on 35mg insufflation killing a man so I was very wary of insufflation of this chemical. However, if insufflating 10-15mg is relatively safe then I will do that and report back.

In the meantime, I want to apologize in advance in case I'm wrong. I stand by my perspective and my principles, but I also yield to any possible proof that I am wrong. Again, I'm a reasonable man and by no means a scamming buyer or an idiot. Misunderstandings happen, and if I take this chemical and it works insufflated just fine, then I'm 100% in the wrong here.
Title: Re: Bad experience with ENBOOM
Post by: Devaney1984 on June 12, 2012, 04:25 pm
+1 for keeping an open mind, and maybe you just are affected differently or maybe there was some kind of honest mix up.

 If enboom was going to be a selective scammer I'd think that he just wouldn't send anything instead of sending you a bunk product...I think the packaging and shipping is probably more expensive than the price of those RC's if enboom gets them in large quantities.
Title: Re: Bad experience with ENBOOM
Post by: poolsclosed on July 01, 2012, 07:27 pm
Sorry to resurrect an old topic, but I have an update.

I tried snorting 10mg of the same 2C-T-7 and again I did not really trip. I got talkative and felt some positivity, which was nice, but the effect was incredibly mild, and there were absolutely no visuals. I smoked a bunch and began to get some CEVs, but weed normally gives me CEVs if I smoke a bowl or more (low tolerance or something like that). It was barely more than I normally get.

Is there some reason why I would not be getting anything out of this drug? I am not on any SSRIs or anything like that, but, there might be another reason, right? If not, then I am going to blame the product.