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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: BobSacamano1 on September 29, 2012, 11:39 pm
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Just picked up a few of these rare treats. They are unprinted so I know they're from some other country (I'm from the U.S., we print our Pharm pills, for good fuckin reason hah) but due to word of mouth and a photo match online I took em, and they are great. Very much like xanax, short half-life I believe, also not technically not a benzodiazepine but a thoreinediazepine or something like that. Seems like significantly more energy and slightly more euphoria than traditional benzo. Just wanted to see if anyone on here had any further info/experience, being that this is an international forum and these are definitely not marketed in the U.S., not yet at least. Speak yo mind!
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I'm not a big fan of them, but they will work fine as sleep aids. While not technically a benzo, i'd say the are rather comparable to something like ambien. Fine if you have difficulty falling asleep, but little recreational value.
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I just placed an trial order for a few. I have a minor benzo habit...but am eager to try Etiz...bc it is the only Benzo I have yet to ingest.
I need to get off my Xanax habit...need some Val or Klon and do a steady taper. However...I will do that once my liquid Xanax is sent lol
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I take 1mg every morning, 1 mg every day @ noon and 2mg every night before bed. I have never felt more alive and able to cope with day to day life since starting this program about 6 months ago. I guess I would say I don't take them for recreation, but as proper medication to keep one foot on the ground (so to speak)
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I take 1mg every morning, 1 mg every day @ noon and 2mg every night before bed. I have never felt more alive and able to cope with day to day life since starting this program about 6 months ago. I guess I would say I don't take them for recreation, but as proper medication to keep one foot on the ground (so to speak)
A doctor has you on this regiment and is monitoring it I hope...
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Dr. Who is watching over my medication regiment.
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Have fun with withdrawal homie.
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Dr. Who is watching over my medication regiment.
My regimen, also Rx'd by Dr. Who, is slowly growing a monkey on it's back. I'm at 2mg and been through both benzo and op8 wd. Op8 wd was a piece of cake compared to benzos.
Dr. Who loves monkeys...but he never tells you that until after he pawns his off on you. Then you have to pet it, play with it and keep it happy ;)
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So if it were prescribed by a doctor, I wouldn't go through withdrawal, but since I have settled on a daily dose that works for me I will. I had previously been prescribed higher doses of more powerful medicine BY doctors, and they never worked, so they fiddled with the dose almost weekly (and billed me for their mistakes by the way) so I found a medication that works for me, and worked out a dose that works for me. I am not telling the OP that he should take 4mg every day just for the hell of it, but I have been fighting this battle for a long time, so don't bother trying to tell me what is right for me or try to scare me with words like "withdrawal" I wouldn't advise you against any medicine that helped you function in your day to day life, so don't try to be my "doctor" because I am not going to pay you for your consult!
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So if it were prescribed by a doctor, I wouldn't go through withdrawal, but since I have settled on a daily dose that works for me I will. I had previously been prescribed higher doses of more powerful medicine BY doctors, and they never worked, so they fiddled with the dose almost weekly (and billed me for their mistakes by the way) so I found a medication that works for me, and worked out a dose that works for me. I am not telling the OP that he should take 4mg every day just for the hell of it, but I have been fighting this battle for a long time, so don't bother trying to tell me what is right for me or try to scare me with words like "withdrawal" I wouldn't advise you against any medicine that helped you function in your day to day life, so don't try to be my "doctor" because I am not going to pay you for your consult!
Fine but don't come back with sob stories about how drugs are evil and ruined your life. I hate when people do that especially when they've been warned multiple times.
I don't trust doctors either. I wouldn't take any drug daily for more than a week, even if a doctor recommended it.
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maybe 20 years ago I would have come back with some sob story if drugs had ruined my life, but at my age, drugs have enhanced my life, and etizolam is the first thing to take the edge off of my anxiety. And etiz is what we are talking about in this thread, so I posted my etiz regiment. if you want to have a discussion about regular psychedelic use in the long term, I have a few things to say there, but each person has their own path to travel. I have chosen mine, and I will let you choose yours.
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My point was mostly that doctors have the power of perscription, so if you actually find one who is trustworthy and has integrity, they can put you an a very precise and gradual taper schedule to avoid WD. Because you are gonna need that, big time. I get the sense you probably already know this, but having someone else who knows you and whom you trust regulate your addictive medication is just better. You should be scared of benzo WD at the pace you are going at. Its not fear mongering, its reality.
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I'm personally done with benzo-like drugs, not that I ever did them too much. I used to suffer from anxiety which was fixed by a really strong acid/nbome trip. I used to take .5mg of alprazolam when I had anxiety, and the occasional recreational use of 2mg.
3mg of Etizolam + weed is really euphoric. That's the only time I took it, and I was left hungry for more. Nowdays it would be nice to only take them on the comedown of a psychedelic, or the end of a roll (I also don't roll anymore). I can live without them though.
Etizolam also has strange anti-depressant properties for some people, so it might be a better route than taking Xanax, which made me more depressed when it was wearing off.
If there was a vendor selling these somewhat cheap I'd pick up a few, but there really isn't.
Personally, I say fuck daily use of benzos to treat anxiety. Anxiety is your body's way of reacting to reality. Deal with reality and the anxiety will go away. When it's really bad, it can help, but it gets to a point where benzos become an escape. I urge to try meditating which is a bit more work than taking a pill. Trust me, I feel way better, more focused, more energy, more of all the good stuff.
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My point was mostly that doctors have the power of perscription, so if you actually find one who is trustworthy and has integrity, they can put you an a very precise and gradual taper schedule to avoid WD. Because you are gonna need that, big time. I get the sense you probably already know this, but having someone else who knows you and whom you trust regulate your addictive medication is just better. You should be scared of benzo WD at the pace you are going at. Its not fear mongering, its reality.
Not sure you can get a script for etizolam stateside...I mentioned it once to my doc and he had to whoop out his i-pad to wikipedia it. It's not approved/reviewed by the FDA, hence it's not even scheduled...
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^Right, I know, so Diazepam or Clonazepam then, some mid-long half life benzo to taper obviously it dont need to be etiz, but etiz is a benzo honestly I dont care abut the specific pahramacology I took it today that shit is a benzo, and wiki says benzo withdrawal syndrome is exactly the same with it. So yeah, klonopin or valium, a very gradual taper taking a month or two could avoid most serious WD...
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^Right, I know, so Diazepam or Clonazepam then, some mid-long half life benzo to taper obviously it dont need to be etiz, but etiz is a benzo honestly I dont care abut the specific pahramacology I took it today that shit is a benzo, and wiki says benzo withdrawal syndrome is exactly the same with it. So yeah, klonopin or valium, a very gradual taper taking a month or two could avoid most serious WD...
yep, check PM
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not to be combative, I know you are trying to help, but the fact is that the "pace" I am on is steady. I am no stranger to withdrawal, which is why I remain clean of opiates, and speed. I have fought battles with both, and they were tough. I only use psychedelics and more psychedelics for recreation with the very occasional MDMA experience. someone said that they dealt with their anxiety without medication until it got too bad to handle without it.... enter wretched (stage left) anxiety that was nearly unbearable every day, twisted thoughts, and paranoid delusions. Enter etiz (stage right) steady, calm, rational wretched, solidly standing in reality, and function in my professional work environment without alienating everyone around me. I feel like I am in control of my life for the first time in nearly 20 years, so if I have to taper off when I feel comfortable going off, so be it. I understand the risks, and your concern. I really do appreciate the advice, and it will be taken into consideration if things begin to fall apart, but until then, I will continue with what works. (although, sadly, it IS time to take a break from the psychedelics)and that is a different thread.
+1 to everyone who is just trying to help.
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Yeah man, best of luck not tryin to hate on something that is really working for you. I would just say, psychedillic withdrawal? That is not a thing. Speed withdrawal? That is a very rare thing and AINT SHIT compared to benzo withdrawal. I've been prescribed dexamphetamine daily for like 5 years, aint no WD about it. I go off it when I feel like going off it and feel perfectly fine. Like seriously 100% the days after cessation, I just might eat a bit more and take a nap or two. I was using xanax for a couple months, self-medicating much like you, and visited hell for a solid week when I ran out. Just don't say I didn't warn you, when you do plan to taper do it under medical supervision, that's all.
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not to be combative, I know you are trying to help, but the fact is that the "pace" I am on is steady. I am no stranger to withdrawal, which is why I remain clean of opiates, and speed. I have fought battles with both, and they were tough. I only use psychedelics and more psychedelics for recreation with the very occasional MDMA experience. someone said that they dealt with their anxiety without medication until it got too bad to handle without it.... enter wretched (stage left) anxiety that was nearly unbearable every day, twisted thoughts, and paranoid delusions. Enter etiz (stage right) steady, calm, rational wretched, solidly standing in reality, and function in my professional work environment without alienating everyone around me. I feel like I am in control of my life for the first time in nearly 20 years, so if I have to taper off when I feel comfortable going off, so be it. I understand the risks, and your concern. I really do appreciate the advice, and it will be taken into consideration if things begin to fall apart, but until then, I will continue with what works. (although, sadly, it IS time to take a break from the psychedelics)and that is a different thread.
+1 to everyone who is just trying to help.
Respect man. At least you can function while medicating. I personally, without going into detail, dropped out of everything. It was probably a good and bad thing at the same time, but the benzos made not give a fuck. It really is different for everyone.
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not worried about psychedelic withdrawals, but I know I have taken them too far over this past 6 months, and it is time to have a touch of reality in my life....except for Halloween! gotta trip during Halloween or the me from my past will come out and kick my ass!
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I don't find etizolam recreational but an occasional one will kill the anxiety from ethylphenidate and they're great for getting you off to sleep after stimulants in general. They are a great stim users tool.