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Title: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: TreyWingo104 on May 10, 2012, 08:07 am
Check out this link!....The article is a day or two old now but I think it contains what may be some excellent ways to go about cashing out of SR.  i notice a lot people offer cash for Bitcoin but the rate is ridiculous.  Up to 30% sometimes?!  Fuck that!  Albeit this method looks a little risky, its still offshore and I remember it saying that you DO NOT need to provide your identity verification for at least one of the methods.

I wanna see what people think of this, especially those with knowledge of financial systems, laundering , and how this would stack up vs other current methods!  Pine where u at?!

clearWeb Link

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/05/07/bitcoin-funded-debit-cards/
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: killerbunnies on May 10, 2012, 10:32 am
This article refers to the exchanger Aurumxchange. The only problem with getting a debit card from them to use as a way to cash out is they require a photocopy of a government ID and a copy of a Utility Bill. Also, they have recently suspended their card exchange service this week. They didnt really provide any information as to why, but did state there would be an update of information in the coming days on their website.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Limetless on May 10, 2012, 10:45 am
These methods aren't secure.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: killerbunnies on May 10, 2012, 07:33 pm
Do you have any suggestions for a secure method Limetless?
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Limetless on May 10, 2012, 07:57 pm
Yeah of course, I teach proper ML to clients for a fee but it's not the sort of thing you need to know unless you are balling.

I mean if you TRULY want to learn how to do it properly, then PM me but it isn't cheap. For the full works I charge 150BTC.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: killerbunnies on May 10, 2012, 08:30 pm
150BTC is a pretty steep price for information. I think I already have a general idea on how to do it fairly anonymously.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Limetless on May 10, 2012, 08:48 pm
150BTC is a pretty steep price for information. I think I already have a general idea on how to do it fairly anonymously.

Lol, if that's how you feel mate. :)
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Thunderweed on May 10, 2012, 11:08 pm
150BTC is a pretty steep price for information. I think I already have a general idea on how to do it fairly anonymously.

Lol, if that's how you feel mate. :)

It is steep, but I'd pay any amount of money to stay out of jail...especially to someone reputable like limet
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Limetless on May 10, 2012, 11:15 pm
150BTC is a pretty steep price for information. I think I already have a general idea on how to do it fairly anonymously.

Lol, if that's how you feel mate. :)

It is steep, but I'd pay any amount of money to stay out of jail...especially to someone reputable like limet

It is steep for those that don't really know the prices lol. IRL I charge £2-3K+ but I have to do a lot more leg-work. On here it's more of a case of teaching how and providing contacts.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: TreyWingo104 on May 11, 2012, 12:22 am
This article refers to the exchanger Aurumxchange. The only problem with getting a debit card from them to use as a way to cash out is they require a photocopy of a government ID and a copy of a Utility Bill. Also, they have recently suspended their card exchange service this week. They didnt really provide any information as to why, but did state there would be an update of information in the coming days on their website.

I dunno much about this, but the article starts off by saying you can do this with an existing card, including a pre-paid or debit card.

AFAIK that would mean endless ways of maneuvering around posting your identity or having to give a gov id.....nowhere in the article does it say you must use a card issued by AurumXchange unless Im missing something

The first option is the Withdraw2Card service that does not require any sender identity verification. Requiring only the destination card number and expiration date (name and CVV code are not required), funds can be transferred to any credit or debit card in any country in the world. If the destination account currency is not dollars or euros then it will be converted to the native currency automatically. Service fee is $9 plus 1.99% (for MtGox USD) with a $1,000 maximum transfer amount and you should not send more than the credit card’s limit. The bitcoin portion of the transaction is accomplished through the use of redeemable coupon codes from the popular bitcoin exchanges that act as digital bearer certificates. According to AurumXchange, they plan to offer direct two-way convertibility for bitcoin in the near future so you won’t need the redeemable code.

Also Limitless, can you explain why they aren't secure.  Not necessarily in disagreement with you, just seeking clarification...
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: killerbunnies on May 11, 2012, 03:41 am
Yes Aurumxchange lets you fund money to any debit card but I think the fee is slightly higher than using one of their cards? I am not sure of this though since they took their debit card service down temporarily and the fees for it are no longer listed :(
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Limetless on May 11, 2012, 03:49 am
Also Limitless, can you explain why they aren't secure.  Not necessarily in disagreement with you, just seeking clarification...

They are insecure because 1. receiving black cash through an anonymous debit card does not mean you have washed money, it's just an method of transferring unaccountable funds. 2. Your money is still in the U.S system and that will always be inherently unsafe.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: killerbunnies on May 11, 2012, 06:36 am
I assume that in your informational guide on laundering money you will explain how to make the money legitimate and pay taxes on it? I would rather have cash any day of the week.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Limetless on May 11, 2012, 12:35 pm
I assume that in your informational guide on laundering money you will explain how to make the money legitimate and pay taxes on it? I would rather have cash any day of the week.

Lol no I certainly don't, only suckers pay tax.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: souledout on May 11, 2012, 11:09 pm
Also Limitless, can you explain why they aren't secure.  Not necessarily in disagreement with you, just seeking clarification...

They are insecure because 1. receiving black cash through an anonymous debit card does not mean you have washed money, it's just an method of transferring unaccountable funds. 2. Your money is still in the U.S system and that will always be inherently unsafe.



any transaction in US dollars will be cleared through  US banks inevitably anyway.....

but a bank account in the Turks and Caicos aint that safe either
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Limetless on May 11, 2012, 11:14 pm
Also Limitless, can you explain why they aren't secure.  Not necessarily in disagreement with you, just seeking clarification...

They are insecure because 1. receiving black cash through an anonymous debit card does not mean you have washed money, it's just an method of transferring unaccountable funds. 2. Your money is still in the U.S system and that will always be inherently unsafe.



any transaction in US dollars will be cleared through  US banks inevitably anyway.....

but a bank account in the Turks and Caicos aint that safe either

Lol nah I wouldn't go to Turks and Caicos either, again that is amateur night. You just have to know what you are doing.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: souledout on May 11, 2012, 11:17 pm
Also Limitless, can you explain why they aren't secure.  Not necessarily in disagreement with you, just seeking clarification...

They are insecure because 1. receiving black cash through an anonymous debit card does not mean you have washed money, it's just an method of transferring unaccountable funds. 2. Your money is still in the U.S system and that will always be inherently unsafe.



any transaction in US dollars will be cleared through  US banks inevitably anyway.....

but a bank account in the Turks and Caicos aint that safe either

Lol nah I wouldn't go to Turks and Caicos either, again that is amateur night. You just have to know what you are doing.

amateur night.........   keep reading those lance spicer books keyboard gangster
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Limetless on May 11, 2012, 11:19 pm
Also Limitless, can you explain why they aren't secure.  Not necessarily in disagreement with you, just seeking clarification...

They are insecure because 1. receiving black cash through an anonymous debit card does not mean you have washed money, it's just an method of transferring unaccountable funds. 2. Your money is still in the U.S system and that will always be inherently unsafe.



any transaction in US dollars will be cleared through  US banks inevitably anyway.....

but a bank account in the Turks and Caicos aint that safe either

Lol nah I wouldn't go to Turks and Caicos either, again that is amateur night. You just have to know what you are doing.

amateur night.........   keep reading those tim spicer books keyboard gangster

Lol not entirely sure who Tim Spicer is but it really isn't a case of being of that kiddo. It's a case of studying it as a subject and getting qualified. Yano...like accountants IRL do? You know what accounts/corp structuring is? Yeah? You get paid for it yeah?

Fool.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: souledout on May 11, 2012, 11:21 pm
I do because i need to, not because i get paid for it

I didnt go to some london degree mill...
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Limetless on May 11, 2012, 11:29 pm
I do because i need to, not because i get paid for it

I didnt go to some london degree mill...

Ohhhh so basically what we are saying is that you are one if these silly-bollockses that reckon they know as much as someone who qualified in it as a profession? I bet you are like those arse-heads who sit in front of someone and try and lecture them about their own vocation...a bit like you seem to be doing now. Kudos!

And it wasn't London kiddo...was Bristol. ;)

Anyway, I'm afraid to say you don't know your shit. I can read that from your posts and I suspect this is one of those "goad and see if he explains it so I can pretend I knew it anyway things" which, I'm afraid really doesn't wash.

If you want to carry on trying to school me on what I went to school to get schooled on then you can but you will have to do it by yourself on this thread. Doesn't interest me mate.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: souledout on May 11, 2012, 11:39 pm
I do because i need to, not because i get paid for it

I didnt go to some london degree mill...

Ohhhh so basically what we are saying is that you are one if these silly-bollockses that reckon they know as much as someone who qualified in it as a profession? I bet you are like those arse-heads who sit in front of someone and try and lecture them about their own vocation...a bit like you seem to be doing now. Kudos!

And it wasn't London kiddo...was Bristol. ;)

Anyway, I'm afraid to say you don't know your shit. I can read that from your posts and I suspect this is one of those "goad and see if he explains it so I can pretend I knew it anyway things" which, I'm afraid really doesn't wash.

If you want to carry on trying to school me on what I went to school to get schooled on then you can but you will have to do it by yourself on this thread. Doesn't interest me mate.

Im no silly bollox son, I just know REAL gangsters move in silence,

your more of a Dave Courtney than a Pablo Escobar
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Limetless on May 11, 2012, 11:52 pm
Ok, that's nice, but you have gone from one topic to another without actually proving you know anything about the first oneso really you need to put some hard knowledge on the table.

At the moment all we have got to is that you seem to doubt my credentials regarding ML and are implying you know more. This despite the fact there is much evidence to the contrary and I'm getting paid by sellers on here to show them how. If you know more, go and sell your knowledge. Unless of course, you are just "too cool" not to which, I perfectly understand.

Anyway you seemed to have given up on that and are now clutching at straws throwing insults. As I say, it's boring now and really ain't a good use of my time.

We will call it quits kiddo, no need to go further I feel.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: souledout on May 12, 2012, 12:07 am
Ok, that's nice, but you have gone from one topic to another without actually proving you know anything about the first oneso really you need to put some hard knowledge on the table.

At the moment all we have got to is that you seem to doubt my credentials regarding ML and are implying you know more. This despite the fact there is much evidence to the contrary and I'm getting paid by sellers on here to show them how. If you know more, go and sell your knowledge. Unless of course, you are just "too cool" not to which, I perfectly understand.

Anyway you seemed to have given up on that and are now clutching at straws throwing insults. As I say, it's boring now and really ain't a good use of my time.

We will call it quits kiddo, no need to go further I feel.

I dont doubt your credentials at all,  I just dont like you. 


but you are right i shouldnt clog up this topic
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: danknugsdun on May 12, 2012, 01:10 am

which, I'm afraid really doesn't wash.


No pun intended?
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Limetless on May 12, 2012, 01:23 am

which, I'm afraid really doesn't wash.


No pun intended?

Not at the time but now absolutely.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: TreyWingo104 on May 12, 2012, 06:54 am
Also Limitless, can you explain why they aren't secure.  Not necessarily in disagreement with you, just seeking clarification...

They are insecure because 1. receiving black cash through an anonymous debit card does not mean you have washed money, it's just an method of transferring unaccountable funds. 2. Your money is still in the U.S system and that will always be inherently unsafe.

I hear you, my idea was to somehow get a debit card through fraudulent means so that its not tied to me in any way (havent figured out how yet but I think its possible with some work/research/maybe money)  then if I were to cash out...cash out to that card.  Immediately withdraw it as cash.  Dig huge hole in backyard etc. ....
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: killerbunnies on May 13, 2012, 10:19 pm
Yes, from what I hear burying cash in the back yard is a wise investment choice.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Limetless on May 13, 2012, 10:22 pm
Yes, from what I hear burying cash in the back yard is a wise investment choice.

Lol...indeed.

TreyWingo if you really want to learn how to do it properly PM me if you want and we can talk shop. I can take you through it step-by-step.

Lim
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: GreenGiant on May 13, 2012, 10:27 pm
 ::) Kids these days  ::)
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: SR_Seller_Accounts on May 13, 2012, 11:55 pm
This is an awesome thread for LE and legislators.

fucking morons
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Limetless on May 14, 2012, 12:03 am
This is an awesome thread for LE and legislators.

fucking morons

Lol they know all these basic methods anyway, read the FBI report. They knew the basic ones when people started shooting their mouths off about how to do it ages ago. No going back now. Why do you think I'm vague when I talk about what I do.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: SR_Seller_Accounts on May 14, 2012, 12:28 am
My pappy taught me not to poke a stick in a hornets nest for good reasons.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: NorCalKing on May 23, 2012, 05:14 pm
Or anything else!
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: brutusk on May 24, 2012, 02:08 am
Actually, at the same time the Forbes article came out Aurumxchange had their mastercard credentials yanked. The credit card companies want nothing to do with btc exchanges. My understanding is that Aurumx was in the process of developing their own btc exchange that could be cashed out to either their debit card (merits already debated, won't go into that) or their withdraw2card system. From what I have read and heard, all of this is now on hold until they can get another card provider. My guess is that will not be for quite awhile. i also suspect this is cutting into their profits dramatically, it was a very easy system to use, even if it was insecure, and very popular with the underground btc peeps like us.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Limetless on May 24, 2012, 02:15 am
Actually, at the same time the Forbes article came out Aurumxchange had their mastercard credentials yanked. The credit card companies want nothing to do with btc exchanges. My understanding is that Aurumx was in the process of developing their own btc exchange that could be cashed out to either their debit card (merits already debated, won't go into that) or their withdraw2card system. From what I have read and heard, all of this is now on hold until they can get another card provider. My guess is that will not be for quite awhile. i also suspect this is cutting into their profits dramatically, it was a very easy system to use, even if it was insecure, and very popular with the underground btc peeps like us.

You are correct and yes, the major credit-card companies want absolutely nothing to do with BitCoin because 1. it's associated with places like SR etc and 2. because the major credit card companies do not want alternative payment options which would ruin their monopoly on providing mainstream (anything not illegal) payment methods.

What do they do instead? Well do you remember that kid at school that nobody hung around with and sat in the corner because all the big kids don't like said kid and think said kid is weird. Well that's basically what the major credit card companies are trying to do with BTC.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: brutusk on May 24, 2012, 02:19 am
i kind of like being one of the weird kids....
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Limetless on May 24, 2012, 02:27 am
i kind of like being one of the weird kids....

Haha don't we all Brutusk! Especially when it pays to be.... :P
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: SR_Seller_Accounts on May 24, 2012, 06:38 pm
the major credit-card companies want absolutely nothing to do with BitCoin because 1. it's associated with places like SR etc

Thats got nothing to do with it. Major CC Banks are part of the international system of central banking. They knowingly launder drug money all day long through the securities industry, which just happen to be immune to money laundering laws.

Check out the World Banks whitepaper on Combating ML and TF. Its hilarious if you read between the lines.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: brutusk on May 24, 2012, 10:50 pm
am looking for it, can't find it, any chance you have a link?
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Limetless on May 24, 2012, 11:28 pm
the major credit-card companies want absolutely nothing to do with BitCoin because 1. it's associated with places like SR etc

Thats got nothing to do with it. Major CC Banks are part of the international system of central banking. They knowingly launder drug money all day long through the securities industry, which just happen to be immune to money laundering laws.

Check out the World Banks whitepaper on Combating ML and TF. Its hilarious if you read between the lines.

LOL you tit, that is exactly why they can don't want to touch BTC because it's not regulated. Jesus Christ you need to check your theory. You can launder money through banks easily so long as you make it look legit and then you can process them through the securities industry like you said, BTC can come from anywhere and IS associated with SR/crime so there is no way that banks/credit card companies/mainstream financial services will touch it because it's designed for anonymity which exposes them in court if the shit hits the fan and HMRC/IRS etc fuck you on money laundering.

Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: SR_Seller_Accounts on May 25, 2012, 08:10 am
am looking for it, can't find it, any chance you have a link?

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/FINANCIALSECTOR/Resources/CombattingMLandTF.pdf
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: SR_Seller_Accounts on May 25, 2012, 08:15 am
LOL you tit, that is exactly why they can don't want to touch BTC because it's not regulated. Jesus Christ you need to check your theory. You can launder money through banks easily so long as you make it look legit and then you can process them through the securities industry like you said, BTC can come from anywhere and IS associated with SR/crime so there is no way that banks/credit card companies/mainstream financial services will touch it because it's designed for anonymity which exposes them in court if the shit hits the fan and HMRC/IRS etc fuck you on money laundering.

Not quite. The securities industry is immune. Not you and me or anyone else trying to launder money through the banks or the securities industry. The international central banking system IS the securities industry.

Interest free and debt free bitcoins are their competition, unlike the fiat currencies that the world is addicted to.

Its the competition thats the reason. Not its connection or relation to crime/drugs/SR.
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: brutusk on May 25, 2012, 08:47 am
am looking for it, can't find it, any chance you have a link?

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/FINANCIALSECTOR/Resources/CombattingMLandTF.pdf

thanks
Title: Re: New methods for CASHING OUT! Potential?
Post by: Joosy on May 25, 2012, 12:10 pm
So Limet... how can we arrange you doing my tax return?