Silk Road forums
Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: loller on June 08, 2013, 07:39 pm
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This post is a followup to a thread started about a month ago, which can be found at: http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1dtdn0/a_theory_about_poor_service_from_fake_id_seller/
From FauxyDocs' SilkRoad page:
We apologize for the long delays. We had a business partner that led us on for 3+ weeks, didn't ship any IDs, and then robbed us of everything. This clearly set us back, but now all orders have been shipped. Please keep in mind that most vendors would have jumped ship after such a setback; not us. We profusely apologize for any inconveniences, and would like to emphasize everything is now back to normal.
Do not believe that everything is back to normal. Nothing this seller says should be trusted.
From FloridaFakes' (clearnet) homepage:
We have been experience a few errors lately but we just wanted to reassure everyone that we're still here! Our order forms will be down from June 14th - June 24th for additional maintenance. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We are working hard to improve our services. We are NOT taking a break and will continue to make IDs. All orders placed up to May 15th have been shipped out. All orders placed between May16-31 will ship next week, and June 1-10 should ship by the 18th. If you paid for rush you saved about 2-3 weeks. We apologize for the delays, and we thank you for choosing FF!
Both sellers assure customers that everything is now under control and operating smoothly, but this is to be expected and of little consequence. The user Taymomoney (on reddit) took the initiative of posting about his experience with FloridaFakes at this address (clearnet):
http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1dtdn0/a_theory_about_poor_service_from_fake_id_seller/
Taymomoney's experience ended with him and his friends losing close to one thousand dollars. The timing of his scamming closely matches the problems FauxyDocs had with his "business partner."
For several of the past days, FauxyDocs took down the listings for his California, New York, Florida, and Minnesota ids. Notice these are the same ids offered by FloridaFakes. He left his listing for Texas ids up -- but why? If FauxyDocs is telling the truth, and a "business partner" was holding him up for three weeks, problems with that business partner (FloridaFakes) must affect the production of every id except Texas. The reason for this is probably easy -- he just gets his Texas ids from a different source and pulls the same middleman shit he does with the others. When he says he will be adding more ids from other states such as Arizona soon, he simply means he will be middlemanning for even more vendors in the future.
But loller, tons of sellers on SilkRoad are middlemen! How is this such a problem?
Fake ids are not made until the order is produced. So the time it takes for the id to reach the buyer is equal to production time + shipping time. For most products, the time it takes to reach the buyer is only shipping time.
If FauxyDocs does not produce his own ids, and instead orders them from FloridaFakes and other clearnet sellers, it is easy to explain his absurdly long shipping times. This is really a guess, but I think that the process might go something like this:
-Buyer orders id
-FauxyDocs waits until he has enough orders to make a bulk order from FloridaFakes
-FloridaFakes produces the ids
-FloridaFakes ships the ids to FauxyDocs
-FauxyDocs ships the ids out to customers
The result of this is that it often takes so long for customers to receive their ids that the autofinalize date is often reached. FauxyDocs encourages buyers to finalize early, offering priority shipping in exchange. This is especially important to him because it limits resolutions from customers who grow tired of waiting.
Also, because he is sharing the personal information of his customers with outside sources. The more people in the know, the more chances there are for something to go wrong. On top of this, the sites he orders from probably do not use PGP encryption and operate on the clearnet, further jeopardizing SilkRoad customers' information.
Though FauxyDocs himself may never willingly scam buyers out of their product, this is irrelevant because it is likely outside of his control. When FloridaFakes (and/or other suppliers) fucks up, FauxyDocs fucks up. He is nothing more than a middleman -- an immature, blackmailing middleman, as his recent tantrums on the SilkRoad forums attest. His system puts his customers' personal information and money at inexcusable risk.
I welcome FauxyDocs to prove me wrong.
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What did you really expect? http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=162717
They are middle manning their orders just like many vendors on here do with drugs. ::)
Just like some of the high volume sellers. They don't use PGP when transmitting their customer's addresses over clearnet email services. ::)
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What did you really expect? http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=162717
They are middle manning their orders just like many vendors on here do with drugs. ::)
Just like some of the high volume sellers. They don't use PGP when transmitting their customer's addresses over clearnet email services. ::)
I think these situations pose some of the greatest threats to SR and its users.