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Discussion => Philosophy, Economics and Justice => Topic started by: Savlon on August 29, 2013, 03:04 pm

Title: Violence and the psychedelic trade.
Post by: Savlon on August 29, 2013, 03:04 pm
I haven't (fortunately) seen much violence/ sketchiness associated around drugs. That said I have seen absolutely none when it comes to psychedelics. Which is kind of odd, but also understandable in ways. I mean psychs by there very nature I guess can make people less violent. I mean the whole "peace loving, hippie stereotype" must come from somewhere right. The majority of them aren't addictive and I doubt you could really cut them in the same way you could cut heroin or coke. That said it still baffles me a little. Surely as you go higher up though there must be an increased risk of getting robbed etc. I mean speaking strictly from a financial perspective. The more money involved the more someone might be tempted to rip someone off or hurt them even if it is psychs in play. Do pyschs just attract a different less violent crowd to "traditional harder" drugs.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it'd be anywhere close to the shit going on in mexico with people getting beheaded over trafficking routes and shit. But I just can't believe that it's all happy go lucky. All my experience points to the opposite though. I remember back when I first started buying drugs (On the "streets") I got robbed for a gram of cocaine by someone who was supposedly a friend. The ironic thing is that like 6 months or so later me and a couple of friends all chipped in for some 2CB from a relatively unknown source. The price of it all came to be about just over double the amount the coke was bought for. Yet we had no worries buying it and the dude we bought it from was completely different to the "friend" I'd bought the coke from.

What do you guys think?
Is it just that different drugs attract different people. Are the people who are more likely to be associated with violence and crime in drugs be attracted to the fast turnaround that drugs like coke and meth provide.

This is even evident on SR. Just compare the ratings of vendors who sell shrooms, DMT, LSD with those who sell Coke and Heroin. Admittedly you will probably have VERY different types of customers for each and that no doubt plays a part in why vendors of harder drugs may have lower feedback scores. Maybe that in itself is why there is more sketchiness associated with hard drugs because the customers are more likely to be abusers rather than users.

Anyway it was just something I was wondering. All of the above only comes from my own limited experience as a small time buyer of drugs so I don't mean to offend anyone or anything.
Title: Re: Violence and the psychedelic trade.
Post by: Lucius Luv on August 29, 2013, 03:15 pm
psychedelics spawn from a completely different environment and mindset than drugs like heroin or coke..   not to mention being addicted to 'dangerous' drugs open a whole different worldview of bad spirits and tattered emotion.

psychedelics promote community, most that other shit will break apart a community.    like all things in life, there are positive poles and negative poles, drugs don't escape those natural laws. 
Title: Re: Violence and the psychedelic trade.
Post by: wrathmore on August 29, 2013, 09:48 pm
I think to assume that one drug or drug type has a set of either non violent or violent people arround it is not wise. Just remember though as criminals we do not have lawyers to sue people and police to call if we get ripped off. Apart from our word we have violence as a way of dealing with problems. Its sad but unless drugs are legal it will be like this. However...

It completely depends on the area and the people...for example i have seen people (Israelis) at parties and teknivals across Europe ripping people off and hurting people...these were the ones selling the Psychadelics. Ive also seen people loved up and giving away all the MDMA and Acid they were supposed to sell!

Ive seen people robbed for weed, ive had weapons used against me in drug deals in the UK for what i would consider a small amount of weed (250g). Ive also seen the beautiful people sat around growing, smoking and selling their pot for the love of it.

Even going as far as the likes of heroin...dirty grotty council estates, seeing my friends killed, stabbed, shot...then theres the Iranians and others who sit around sharing stories as they smoke heroin after work!

Its swings and roundabouts. Just maybe things like Silk Road help drugs move further away from violence, however they then move into the realms of cyber attacks.

Ive been robbed, multiple times. once for 10k. but never to my face successfully. always when im away and not around have they won.
Title: Re: Violence and the psychedelic trade.
Post by: Llama Socks on August 29, 2013, 10:17 pm
I saw a difference between the sort of people I picked Ketamine and pills up from, and Psychedelics.
Title: Re: Violence and the psychedelic trade.
Post by: mrguymann on August 30, 2013, 09:06 pm
Drug social circles can evolve in strange and disturbing ways, money, women, and legal issues can all wreak havoc upon even the tightest of circles. Usually , for most people, violence is a last resort option for when they or loved ones are in danger .....or perceived danger ( cough *up to many nights **cough).
You'll get dealers who have masculinity issues, Napoleon issues, stupidity issues, who take personal offense in what should be clearly business, when things go wrong. And things will go wrong at some point.Ya, those types will just nut up out of the blue because you "disrespect" them- Ya if you run across  those types that associate drugs= power=$=masculinity its a good sign to stay clear from them ASAP.
Otherwise you would have to have done some shady ass shit to deserve a hurting otherwise- that should be on you though - you should've knew the job was dangerous when you took it, *bock bock bock*.

Dont snitch boys n girls. Man up  to your crime and be prepared to go to jail if you use drugs, it just comes with the life decisions you've made. It never ends  happily when you snitch your friends off-
Title: Re: Violence and the psychedelic trade.
Post by: DrMDA on August 31, 2013, 12:10 am
I have had tons of lucrative offers to make meth for people and even large cartels. Every time I turn it down. No fucking way. I prefer psychedelics because there are ZERO issues whatsoever except for the law. The only issues I have had with psychedelics is when I tried to expand to untapped markets (the blacks) and that is when I endured every problem you can think of in the drug trade. Now that I'm back to messing with just clubbers and college kids and rich whites I have ZERO problems.  The business of drugs of love instead of drugs of despair tend to go smoothly.
Title: Re: Violence and the psychedelic trade.
Post by: MaoZedong on August 31, 2013, 01:39 am
People with nitrous tanks often hang out around the psychedelic crowd and are notoriously violent. I've heard of people getting shot over a balloon.

Also people with PCP are not necessarily part of the psychedelic crowd but can become violent...

Like anything, once it becomes about the money, there are always some people who will take the short term money (robbery/violence) over the long term money of building a reliable network.
Title: Re: Violence and the psychedelic trade.
Post by: Floor87 on August 31, 2013, 02:29 am
Some thug ran off with some of my mush money one time.  But this is a bad example.  He was to go get them and was a no show.
Title: Re: Violence and the psychedelic trade.
Post by: SpaceAce on August 31, 2013, 06:57 am
People with nitrous tanks often hang out around the psychedelic crowd and are notoriously violent. I've heard of people getting shot over a balloon.

Also people with PCP are not necessarily part of the psychedelic crowd but can become violent...

Like anything, once it becomes about the money, there are always some people who will take the short term money (robbery/violence) over the long term money of building a reliable network.

Oh man, the youtube PCP videos haha good times "i'm on pcp so I need to rip my clothing off and do somthing crazy"

There is definitely less violence with psychedelics but not unheard of
some people are inherently fuckhead and have used psychedelics themselves as weapons to do harm :(

overall psychedelics bring positivity and happiness :)


Title: Re: Violence and the psychedelic trade.
Post by: PinnacleGoods on August 31, 2013, 09:49 am
I think to assume that one drug or drug type has a set of either non violent or violent people arround it is not wise. Just remember though as criminals we do not have lawyers to sue people and police to call if we get ripped off. Apart from our word we have violence as a way of dealing with problems. Its sad but unless drugs are legal it will be like this. However...

It completely depends on the area and the people...

Drug social circles can evolve in strange and disturbing ways, money, women, and legal issues can all wreak havoc upon even the tightest of circles. Usually , for most people, violence is a last resort option for when they or loved ones are in danger .....or perceived danger ( cough *up to many nights **cough).
You'll get dealers who have masculinity issues, Napoleon issues, stupidity issues, who take personal offense in what should be clearly business, when things go wrong. And things will go wrong at some point.Ya, those types will just nut up out of the blue because you "disrespect" them- Ya if you run across  those types that associate drugs= power=$=masculinity its a good sign to stay clear from them ASAP.

Have to agree with both of these.  Over 10 years ago, got 10vials at a time for about $1k USD total ($1 per drop, damn times change...) from people who also supplied coke, mexi brick weed, meth, rolls, and more.  Needless to say they couldn't be called nonviolent with all those things going on obviously pieces were always around with those folks.  Separating drugs from money is a very important step in reducing violence and problem deals, though...  That's a big rule of course, money and drugs never together at the same time, but acid folks required cash on spot.  Different sets work different ways in different places.  As long as drugs are a crime there's the potential for violence.
Title: Re: Violence and the psychedelic trade.
Post by: dudeism on September 01, 2013, 07:16 pm
The only issues I have had with psychedelics is when I tried to expand to untapped markets (the blacks)

LOL black people. They make life so hilarious and unpredictable.
Title: Re: Violence and the psychedelic trade.
Post by: Sero Tonin on September 02, 2013, 12:10 am
People with nitrous tanks often hang out around the psychedelic crowd and are notoriously violent. I've heard of people getting shot over a balloon.

LMFAO...i can only imagine that playing out like this...
bunch of people in a garage sitting in a circle of chairs.

wasnt some guys turn and he takes a balloon

owner of the tank pulls out a gun and says 'its not your turn muthafucka!'

balloon holder proceeds to inhale it cause he was too fucked up anyways.

'hey muthafucka i said it wasnt YOURS!!!bang bang bang'

everyone then freaks the fuck out. try to stand up and fall over because of all the nos.

cops ambulance firetrucks the whole 9 yards within the hour
Title: Re: Violence and the psychedelic trade.
Post by: fuckmadagascar on September 03, 2013, 05:51 am
Drug social circles can evolve in strange and disturbing ways, money, women, and legal issues can all wreak havoc upon even the tightest of circles. Usually , for most people, violence is a last resort option for when they or loved ones are in danger .....or perceived danger ( cough *up to many nights **cough).
You'll get dealers who have masculinity issues, Napoleon issues, stupidity issues, who take personal offense in what should be clearly business, when things go wrong. And things will go wrong at some point.Ya, those types will just nut up out of the blue because you "disrespect" them- Ya if you run across  those types that associate drugs= power=$=masculinity its a good sign to stay clear from them ASAP.

True words about life right here. Money and power, that's what it's all about when it comes to business. Someone is going to get fucked when no one's watching.
Title: Re: Violence and the psychedelic trade.
Post by: EverAfterGlow on September 03, 2013, 08:41 am
In San Francisco's Golden Gate Park there are fights over turf to sell LSD and weed by street hippy types.

Also supposedly Leonard Pickard (LSD chemist) was going to kill an informant.

Besides that theres not a lot of violence associated with psychedelics. One more reason they are awesome.
But yeah I guess any time there is a lot of money involved people can get jealous.