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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: BitcoinsUK on June 29, 2013, 10:04 am
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Well what a sucky morning. A customer who for now will remain unnamed (for the time being) was supposed to send me £600 for bitcoins, in the post, where I would release half the cash when I got the tracking number and the rest upon delivery. Well I got it this morning and it's just an envelope filled up with other cut up envelopes, so I'm £300 out of pocket for now, which is plenty to kill off my business now that Tunbear isn't covering every scam I walk into.
Also, look at these stats!
Total transactions: 61
Total spent: $8459.21
Refund rate: 3.24%
Auto-finalize rate: 20.27%
Member for: 1 year
I'm currently waiting on vendor support to reply to see if there's anything they can do, but she probably moved the coins out right away...seems weird to throw away such a good account for £300. My grandad is ex-police and still loves messing about with that thing, and because my business is legal (I'm selling stockpiles of bitcoins I have amassed, or trading a few, and am working on becoming tax registered) if I can get viable prints I'll be going to the police - as long as Silk Road allows it. I'd never think of going to the police if it involved a drug transaction, it comes with the territory, but when you're helping someone out, doing them a good deal too because you wanna get a good rep, it has really fucked me off, and unless I get my coins then I will be (again, SR permitting). If SR says I'm not allowed to involve police in spats in any sense or if I can't get the money/coins back, might have to shut down BUK, or just let DUK run it, what he does is illegal but we're not working together but because Tunbear was pretty much carrying me before he..experienced a series of unfortunate events...I'm now working with different vendors, and DUK is nowhere near as forgiving as TB was haha.
If the person who stole from me ends up reading this (I'm not naming you to protect you, it's just what bullshit Tunbear went through I'm not sure what I'm allowed to and what not to say) please just return the coins or send the money, if you're such a heartless bastard as to destroy a person's livelyhood over a measly £300 then you are definitely going to hell.
This is just a little bit of extra information, if you've bought stuff off vendors recently they might still have your address, and think giving me this address would benefit me. I ask that it not be given to me , as I'd end up like Tunbear, he got a few addresses of some of the people who fucked him over, but during the course of some of this he was injured and had to spend quite a while in hospital. I can't afford to be away from my family, that crazy git doesn't really have one though, plus there's the fact of I dunno how he'd react considering he hooked up most the vendors with me so it makes him look like a dick. I'd rather just the coins or money be returned, then we'll call it end of, I won't name you apart from to bitcoin sellers because they deserve to be warned, I'll just let it go, I want this to just be over in the safest way possible
As an extra note, if the person I owe money to still after the clusterfuck that got Tunbear's account wiped chips in with ANYTHING that sounds like being a dick about it...well, just don't, there's no way I deserved this I'm trying to help people with the best rates around, instant transfers etc. and there's still so many dicks about. BUK is changing up. Postal orders on the first few orders NO coins will be released on your first order no matter how good your stats are, bank transfers are open to ANY customer who has been around at least a month and I'm changing up a few other things to fully protect myself...I suppose to make a digital egg you gotta SMASH FUCKING THINGS ARGH WHY DID THIS HAVE TO HAPPEN NOW FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING THIEVING CUNT I HOPE YOU GET AIDS OF THE EYES (sorry I just needed to vent)
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I'm sorry to hear that you've got scammed but this place is a scammers heaven unfortunately...
I just want to give you some good advice because you're about to make a mistake - if you're in the EU which I assume you are then your business is NOT legal. Trust me on that, there's plenty of information about this topic on bitcointalk and some lawyers who spent some time on this topic confirmed it. New money laundering laws have been introduced and you have to play by those rules and I'm sure you don't...
First of all you would have to register your business as a financial service business and that means a whole lot of regulations and requirements you'll have to meet...
One of the rules you have to follow is that you have to get the personal information of every customer you're dealing with so if someone wants to buy/sell BTC you'll have to ask them for their ID and save this information (lots of rules on how you have to store the information..) and in case you should have concerns about where the money/BTC came from you will have to inform the authorities. Since you're offering your services on Silkroad you would have to assume that there's something fishy with every customer you're dealing with... trust me what you're doing is not a legal business and you can get serious problems because you're helping with money laundering and that's a serious offence. So going to the police would be a very bad idea, just let it be and learn from your mistakes..
WD
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The name of the customer was sara
here are her stats
Total transactions: 61
Total spent: $8459.21
Refund rate: 3.24%
Auto-finalize rate: 20.27%
Member for: 1 year
Seems weird that such a long standing member would rip me off for £300 as I'm gonna pass it on to as many vendors as possible, it's such a small amount to lose stellar stats over. Oh well maybe he/she was thinking I was going to send the full £600 over
Over what you say, yeah I'm well aware of the massive effort of making this a legal business, but because it's an online venture all I have to take is the information of what people are giving me and if that information happens to be fake I can't be held responsible for liars :)
I know I'll get in trouble for it eventually, As of so far I'm simply selling off bitcoins that I amassed, of which I need to pay capital gains tax on at some point, but not a lot of information is kept on Silk Road if my ear is ever pulled and considering the potential profits involved I can swallow a small charge or 2 - I'm pretty much the only one in my family who works legally and about half of them and 80% of them around my age are locked up, so even if I did get proper time at least I'll be well looked after .
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Post on here about all the hardcore shit you are going to do, including going to the pigs, to handle your fucking business. DAMN RIGHT.
Now, please calm down and act rationally. You left a variable in the transaction and were exposed. You knew damn well when releasing the btc that the envelope may have been filled with cat poop. It sucks and hurts and makes you madder than all hell. But it is part of the territory. Please do not involve your dad and the cops and fingerprints over that small amount of money.
I don't know about your listing or how you do shit. But if you've got coin set a rate a point lower than the best guy, protect yourself the whole way (no cash no btc released), and good luck. But, best I can tell... you don't go running to the cops and fingerprint analysts for this sort of thing. What is all that time and effort going to do? Get you your money back? Nope.
goto main page and support button bottom right.
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unlucky man, hope it works out ok
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Post on here about all the hardcore shit you are going to do, including going to the pigs, to handle your fucking business. DAMN RIGHT.
Now, please calm down and act rationally. You left a variable in the transaction and were exposed. You knew damn well when releasing the btc that the envelope may have been filled with cat poop. It sucks and hurts and makes you madder than all hell. But it is part of the territory. Please do not involve your dad and the cops and fingerprints over that small amount of money.
I don't know about your listing or how you do shit. But if you've got coin set a rate a point lower than the best guy, protect yourself the whole way (no cash no btc released), and good luck. But, best I can tell... you don't go running to the cops and fingerprint analysts for this sort of thing. What is all that time and effort going to do? Get you your money back? Nope.
goto main page and support button bottom right.
The cops thing was more to get an ID and see if I could track them down to get the money back - £300 is a LOT to a bitcoin vendor.
I've done dozens of deals in the mail, probably about 30-50 and the worst one was one that took a week, I didn't expect this because I can pass the username onto all vendors and it seemed stupid on their part, to ruin an account with such good stats that they good buy off anyone no problem...hell it's unexpected off anyone who has been here a while.
I don't agree with the thing about me releasing BTC, the meeting-halfway is a good show of faith for the mostly lovely and trustworthy userbase we have, before this happened I had done it for people who had been members for 3-4 months and no problems, NOBODY has ripped me off before, not to mention it giving the customer not only a little less worry because they're sending money in the post and have NO protection if it was me who decided to go rogue, when the customer is putting more than the hope of the escrow system protecting them on the line then I feel it's my duty to alleviate some of the worry they may have.
You're bang on about the rates, I'm thinking of raising them as I make very little money, and people wanting to buy small amounts of bitcoins (where I make my money) would normally, say on an exchange like bitcoin-central, have to pay over the odds as nobody offers to sell at market price, they're always charging way over unless you're lucky..then you got fees, waiting for it to go through the network etc.
And for the big sales, where the vendors come off great for getting a big amount of cash in 1 go are happy to sell cheaper because it's hard to find someone not only wanting to buy thousand's worth of coins at a time, but at even close to market value, it's usually about £10 under per coin! Then there's the banks to worry about, the withdrawal cost, extra fees that some tape on for exchanging from 1 currency to the next, and then you have the legal side of the coin - seeing transfers come from an exchange regularly...and exchanges giving up regular customers if asked
With me you get the coins INSTANTL, you don't pay any charges or fees apart from the few quid i tack on, and you do either an anonymous bank payment at a camera or just transfer a mate a bit of money online, nothing to look into, and the ultra-paranoid are covered with the postage option...so thanks mate I'm gonna work it so when (not if, someone will eventually find a way) I get my bum buggered again, I'll at least be able to cover it :)
It turns out the coins were Tunbear's anyway, I got them off DrugsUK who was going to use the money to pay off what he owes Tunbear as his drugs supplier, and he's already been round and gotten the envelope so whatever happens now is none of my business.
I do know that when loads of users were saying they weren't getting reships, he hand-delivered to 2 people (some people were close) and when he contacted them to ask if it still didn't come...confronted them about it. That was over stuff worth less than £200 a pop, this was £300 and hes super pissed about losing his account, so I'm hoping for this person's sake they return the coins ASAP.
On the plus side he's told me the amount of times he came across scams, and said just to pay me when I can sort it and is making DrugsUK do me coins for cheaper so I can do some sales to make the money back (drugsUK owes him a fair few thousand, not sure exactly I stay out of that side of the business but if it wasn't for him and I'd bought the codes up front off another vendor, I'd be screwed as paying £300 (well, £275, I would have made £50 on the deal if it wasn't a con) would have KILLED my monthly budget from my salary ha.
Plus it gives him something to do, he doesn't need to go back to hospital hopefully for 3 months now \o/ and is glad he can just kick back and rest, he was really starting to hate this place, called it !dealer-hell - where the customer has ultimate power and the cost of the products is sickening"
I don't do drugs but I had a lil poke around and omg he wasn't wrong! I know safety and quality assurance are big factors, not to mention rare drugs, but if I was still a partier-upperer, there's no way I'd pay the prices on here! Growing up in a dangerous area might be shitty but it doesn't half make getting quality narcotics a walk in the park rather than a dodge-the-bullets-and-plz-dont-die sprint through the back alleys :D
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those stats suck.
I was thinking the same thing.
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those stats suck.
I agree. 20% Auto-Finalize means 12 transactions where the buyer couldn't be bothered to finalize. Would've been a big red flag to me, but I'm just a buyer who doesn't get to see anyone else's stats.
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I didn't really know what that meant, I just seen amount of transactions, money spent and been here a year.
Oh well you live and learn, I'll keep an eye out for shitty stats on that one from now on, cheers lads