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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: skillion on October 26, 2012, 01:13 pm

Title: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: skillion on October 26, 2012, 01:13 pm
Only been a member here for a month or so now.  I have been reading vendor profiles and comments and I have been noticing that A LOT of buyers just offer FE to the vendor for the hell of it?

A lot of scams happen from FE, and if you want to remain protected as a buyer you cannot FE.

I think users offering to FE for vendors that do not request it, are potentially changing the way business is done here on Silk Road.

As a vendor, why not ask for FE if people are just offering it to you anyway?

When is DPR or Silk Road staff going to look at this issue and come up with a workaround?

I am not saying you can't find awesome vendors here, because you can.  Just takes a bit of reading to get to the meat and cheese, and to remain fully in escrow.

Peace
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: dovecot2012 on October 26, 2012, 04:07 pm
Only been a member here for a month or so now.  I have been reading vendor profiles and comments and I have been noticing that A LOT of buyers just offer FE to the vendor for the hell of it?

A lot of scams happen from FE, and if you want to remain protected as a buyer you cannot FE.

I think users offering to FE for vendors that do not request it, are potentially changing the way business is done here on Silk Road.

As a vendor, why not ask for FE if people are just offering it to you anyway?

When is DPR or Silk Road staff going to look at this issue and come up with a workaround?

I am not saying you can't find awesome vendors here, because you can.  Just takes a bit of reading to get to the meat and cheese, and to remain fully in escrow.

Peace

I have repeat buyers that do that for me even if i have not asked them to FE. Anyway i don't think it's DPR or SR staff job to do something for it and even if they want i don't think they can do much about it as it may be hard to control what people write as feedback's.
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: blackend646 on October 26, 2012, 05:31 pm
Part of being free is the freedom to act like a complete moron. If people want to throw their money away that's their right.
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: lucablight on October 26, 2012, 06:22 pm
I don't think it is worth the stress, even with vendors you do trust. If something goes wrong, intentional or not, you have no options once you finalize.

If some want to, it is their choice. I highly doubt it will change the way business is handled, as there will always be those who refuse to FE, ever.
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: Shroomeister on October 26, 2012, 06:32 pm
A good buyer may know that they will forget or not have the time to Finalize later. Or they trust the vendor. I have some regulars that FE with me all the time.

I even have one regular that even said "FE out of free will because I will not be around to finalize later and SM always comes through" etc.


Short of thinking that a vendor is going to try to rip you off 100%, there really isnt too much to lose.
My people know if everything is not perfect I'll do my best to make it right.
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: bonaQua on October 26, 2012, 06:51 pm
It's called being nice to the people you trust. I dont see any issue here
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: johnmtl on October 26, 2012, 06:58 pm
Unless i ask someone to FE which is rare, I hate when they do it themselves .. It messes me up as I use the feedback to notify myself once a package has arrived...

so if they FE, it leaves me lost.. like did they git it.. did it get lost.. wtf.. and ppl do it all the time without being asked...

Anyways.. dont FE unless you are asked to.. and even then you may choose not to!
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: OperationPsyops on October 26, 2012, 07:00 pm
Part of being free is the freedom to act like a complete moron. If people want to throw their money away that's their right.

Most of the time, it's not because buyers are "morons" - I think most FE for their trusted sellers because of courtesy and, my personal reason is because I don't log onto my buyers acct. often and if I forget to finalize, some buyers feel it's inconsiderate. The one time I forgot to finalize was my last buy and, although vendors bank on buyers not finalizing, I personally feel it was disrespectful of me to not finalize - although it was unintentional.

But, as you said, "Part of being free is the freedom to act like a complete moron," so you just keep posting what your uneducated reasons why others FE for their trusted sellers. IMO, you've made yourself to look like a damn moron on this thread, but you are free to continuing doing so… ;D
 

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I have repeat buyers that do that for me even if i have not asked them to FE. Anyway i don't think it's DPR or SR staff job to do something for it and even if they want i don't think they can do much about it as it may be hard to control what people write as feedback's.
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Exactly and thank you  ;)
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: StrangeHands on October 26, 2012, 08:48 pm
Unless i ask someone to FE which is rare, I hate when they do it themselves .. It messes me up as I use the feedback to notify myself once a package has arrived...

so if they FE, it leaves me lost.. like did they git it.. did it get lost.. wtf.. and ppl do it all the time without being asked...

Anyways.. dont FE unless you are asked to.. and even then you may choose not to!

You can finalize right away but not leave feedback until you get it.
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: johnmtl on October 26, 2012, 10:11 pm
Yeah you sure can.. but in my experience very few do come back and change the feedback.... even after I ask them weeks later.   >:(
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: blackend646 on October 27, 2012, 10:37 pm
Part of being free is the freedom to act like a complete moron. If people want to throw their money away that's their right.

Most of the time, it's not because buyers are "morons" - I think most FE for their trusted sellers because of courtesy and, my personal reason is because I don't log onto my buyers acct. often and if I forget to finalize, some buyers feel it's inconsiderate. The one time I forgot to finalize was my last buy and, although vendors bank on buyers not finalizing, I personally feel it was disrespectful of me to not finalize - although it was unintentional.

But, as you said, "Part of being free is the freedom to act like a complete moron," so you just keep posting what your uneducated reasons why others FE for their trusted sellers. IMO, you've made yourself to look like a damn moron on this thread, but you are free to continuing doing so… ;D

Didn't say they were morons, I said they were acting like morons. I'm sure they have their reasons, but at the end of the day floating money to a person you've never met and likely never even conversed with is a pretty moronic thing to do no matter how you slice it.
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: kitkat82 on October 27, 2012, 11:22 pm
I don't understand how people forget to Finalize.  That is the first thing I think of when I get a package.  I finalize as soon as I am sure the product is all there and legit.
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: go4green on November 03, 2012, 07:11 am
it's called ass-kissing vendors... To get some freebies!
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: phubaiblues on November 08, 2012, 07:46 pm
It was done in the old days--before anybody thought of asking for it--to help vendors out, to kind of counterbalance the idiots they had to constantly deal with, who *didn't* finalize when they got their product.  There were many threads about it, asking for ways that buyers who always autofinalized could be dealt with.  Some of us were proactive, and started finalizing early, on buyers we knew and trusted.  There have been many discussions about this, and people have shared their views and their practices on here.

Having said all that, I do notice how rude people are getting on here, calling people names and shit...why on earth would anybody want to take part in a discussion where this happens...we used to present our positions, our beliefs and our hopes for the future of Silk Road without engaging in this sort of insults, and along with 'finalizing early' or not, I hope some of you take a look at that also.
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: danknugsdun on November 09, 2012, 12:28 am
Part of being free is the freedom to act like a complete moron. If people want to throw their money away that's their right.

Most of the time, it's not because buyers are "morons" - I think most FE for their trusted sellers because of courtesy and, my personal reason is because I don't log onto my buyers acct. often and if I forget to finalize, some buyers feel it's inconsiderate. The one time I forgot to finalize was my last buy and, although vendors bank on buyers not finalizing, I personally feel it was disrespectful of me to not finalize - although it was unintentional.

But, as you said, "Part of being free is the freedom to act like a complete moron," so you just keep posting what your uneducated reasons why others FE for their trusted sellers. IMO, you've made yourself to look like a damn moron on this thread, but you are free to continuing doing so… ;D

Didn't say they were morons, I said they were acting like morons. I'm sure they have their reasons, but at the end of the day floating money to a person you've never met and likely never even conversed with is a pretty moronic thing to do no matter how you slice it.

That's why he said buyers FE for their trusted sellers.

I enjoy when buyers FE out of courtesy because it lets me know I'm doing right as a vendor. Sometimes I even ship them a little extra just for their courtesy.

Dank
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: farmer1 on November 09, 2012, 02:51 am
I have not asked a customer to FE yet. I have had a very small number do it, and they have always explained why in their comment. I don't mind at all. There certainly is something endearing about it. A buyer is opening themselves to injury for the benefit of the vendor, unrequested.

If you are finalizing early for a vendor who does not require it, or request it, then you are not hurting the community in the least. It is the ones that DO require it that you need to be wary of.
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: technopium on November 09, 2012, 04:18 am
I have seen some people do it and always laugh a little.  Of course you want to impress and be on your vendors 'Customer of the Year' list, but keep in mind that you are really at a disadvantage when doing this.  Yes, you can change your feedback if things go south, but that is about it.  Your money will be gone and SR has stated numerous times that they will not step in for resolution if a buyer FE's. 
  Too many people have been ripped with FE for me to think it is a good idea as Escrow is the best protection a buyer has.
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: NorCalKing on November 10, 2012, 05:11 am
While it's nice to have a vote of confidence from customers once in a while, we prefer not to get paid until all the hay is in the barn!  Out of sight, out of mind!  Every once in a while we get a customer FE us & we used to message them  politely thank them but let them know that all it does is make them feel better, not us, & not for anyone else who is perusing the feedback to get a feel for how a vendor works or how good their products are when they keep seeing "FE for a trusted vendor,"  and then they almost never go back in and add or change the feedback.  Then when people see a number of the FE's, they start assuming that the vendor likes to do business that way, which makes them uncomfortable.  We have only asked FE for a couple of large custom orders.  We state specifically on our vendor page; PLEASE DO NOT FINALIZE UNTIL RECEIVING YOUR ORDER!  And we still get orders finalized!  The other reason we don't like it is that it is that when it is no longer on our page, its harder to figure out just what's going on if there is a problem with tracking or whatever,  & then after they receive the order it will be purged.


NCK
Title: Re: Buyers offering FE to Vendors that do NOT request it?
Post by: Mangazi on November 10, 2012, 08:21 am
Alright I have a question though? How does escrow protect a completely new buyer on SR, is it just as good as if he would have had a previous record of successful transactions? Because my buddy just ordered $130 worth from Gotmilk on his first purchase ever on SR, and even though it's in escrow still got me a bit worried that it might not have been sent, or that he might get fucked in a resolution if it were to come to that.

He sent the order but only half of it... by mistake.

he will send the rest and I will update later here on how it goes