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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: CandyShop on February 03, 2012, 07:53 pm

Title: LIARS on SR????
Post by: CandyShop on February 03, 2012, 07:53 pm
So yeah Candy here....


I am a regular Mdma, & Ecstasy user... mostly I prefer pills but when i'm in for a more smoother roll I take mdma..
I am a seller myself here on SR but have purchased mdma from some other sellers here too..

I noticed that most of the crystals here are Brown rather than white!

Now I am not saying that i am a expert or some kind of lab-nerd,
 but I know that the last step of synthesizing MDMA is too wash the crystals in "acetone", (http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/brightstar.mdma.html read step 6)
Now a days alot of mdma producers don't take this last step.... as the brownish is not harmful for the body at all..

What this last step does is.. remove all of the other stuff from the crystals that is NOT MDMA.. So a fact is that if this step is done you will be left with WHITE crystals(pure mdma 84% hcl)

So still most of the sellers on here that sell BROWN crystals claim that the purity is 80%- 84%+?????/!!!!!!!!!!! :o


Isn't there no one who protests against this.... Being honest about your product is the main key of success i personally think...

What do you guys think?


<3 & honesty

Candy
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: mseller on February 03, 2012, 07:57 pm
I am not an expert but crystals can be in various color. It can happen if to much acid is added and crystals gain some tint color or precursors had some discoloration. (but still +80% pure).
And only effective way to remove it with activate carbon wash and recrystalisation.
Amines oxidize fast, especially in base form and even white pure crystals can gain some yellowish or brownish color over time.
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: CandyShop on February 03, 2012, 08:27 pm
yeah.,...


But majority of crystals here are just brown because they havent been washed........

Word here in Holland is that the whiter clearer the crystals the more pure they are.....

and its unbelievable that all the crystals sold here are 80%+ especially those from other countries than NL...
People are just taking advantage of the fact that in most countries it is not possible to get MDMA tested...
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: mseller on February 03, 2012, 10:03 pm
That is true, purity over 80%.....hmm without testing is unlikely to say.
Also, MDMA can be cut with some another white/transparent crystals so color does not really matter when estimating purity.
Many manufactures does not wash crystals properly and leave it what come from first yields.
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: CandyShop on February 03, 2012, 11:15 pm
from the 80 people that viewed this forum only 1 has a opinion?
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: Silpheed on February 04, 2012, 12:16 am
It seems to me that MDMA is a category on SR where there's a lack of reliable information, kind of like the Heroin category, and also Cocaine.
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: AverageGatsby on February 04, 2012, 12:25 am
It seems to me that MDMA is a category on SR where there's a lack of reliable information, kind of like the Heroin category, and also Cocaine.

um, its the internet....unless you personally walk with the vendor to a dutch testing center and see the results, its all hearsay.

trusted SR forum members are our only way to disseminate information. That's as reliable as you are going to get thru a computer screen.

And even then, I think there's a ton of reliable info on SR, but like everything on the interwebs, have to take it with a grain of salt until you know what users to trust.

(cant speak to the brown v white MDMA debate, as i've never had brown)

Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: someone703 on February 04, 2012, 12:37 am
I think a lot it has to do with that in lots of places, it's more of a sellers' market than a buyers'.

In other words, you take what you can get;  especially in the US where there's a definite lack of quality pills compared to NL and Europe (where you're more likely to get stuff through EU customs).
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: mdmafx on February 04, 2012, 12:48 am
Why don't you source and start selling the white Crystals then? For what its worth,  I think you are right about the Whiter Crystals being more pure.

I never believe whats listed as the purity by the vendor, on SR  a vendor in NL can always say its lab tested at X but if you dont have access to a lab how would you ever know.
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: LexusMiles on February 04, 2012, 01:20 am
What this last step does is.. remove all of the other stuff from the crystals that is NOT MDMA.. So a fact is that if this step is done you will be left with WHITE crystals(pure mdma 84% hcl)

So still most of the sellers on here that sell BROWN crystals claim that the purity is 80%- 84%+?????/!!!!!!!!!!! :o

You're asserting that a vendor who sells brown(ish) MDMA -- and claims 80% purity -- might be a liar... I can't entirely agree or disagree, because 4% impurity might be enough impurity to make a brown tint.

I know who can answer this with some certainty is wowzers (expert at all things of MDMA purity).

wowzers where art thou....  your presence be expected.
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: guidoking on February 04, 2012, 02:31 am
don't know about the particular point being made, but the thesis, that there are liars on SR, is undeniably true.
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: GaltRR on February 04, 2012, 02:44 am
Even a slight impurity can change the entire color of a batch. Just because its brown doesnt mean that its below 80 even below 82. I like the differences it seems to add some personality  to the roll. I believe it was mitanox that had a batch that was orange and it was some of the best stuff ever.
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: PlusPlus on February 04, 2012, 05:37 am
It's true that any colored crystal MDMA can not be 100% pure (ie. 100% MDMA hydrochloride if that's the form it's in).
But it's also true that completely clear, white, translucent crystals are not necessarily high purity MDMA (nor that they even contain MDMA), especially since many adulterants, reagents and byproducts are also white powders. Hell, pure MDMA is completely odorless. ;)
Although, a solvent wash can usually remove most unusual colors.

The fact is that colored impurities, especially in a white/transparent sample, may be very insignificant (as low as 0.5% even for small quantities), so a purity of 80-85% is very possible even for a batch of crystal MDMA that's bright blue (look up copper sulphate 8)).
Some less scientific examples to consider:
A lot of gemstones are colored because of small amounts of metal ion substitutions (such as chromium instead of aluminium in rubies). Although this only applies to alkaloids if metal complexes appear or if metal salts aren't washed out.
Get a full cup of water and add in a single drop of colored dye. It changes color despite the tiny amount of dye. Dyes, on the other hand, can leak into the samples.

And:
...
Amines oxidize fast, especially in base form and even white pure crystals can gain some yellowish or brownish color over time.
Which can be seen just by leaving a sample out in the open (eg. pure white N,N-DMT changes to yellow/brown because of N-oxides).

There are definitely liars on SR, and I believe that everybody here should be honest so SR doesn't die out.
But a HPLC or preferably a GC-MS readout is a much better indicator of the purity than the tint of the MDMA. Even a sodium hydroxide titration (for MDMA.HCl) could be used to determine the alkaloid purity of the samples (if anybody has the equipment, knowledge and time to run one then please do :), I'm lacking the glassware).
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: CandyShop on February 04, 2012, 09:32 am
Yes would be nice if someone could just test it all and publish the truth...just a regular buyer....,.
I have some of juergen's mdma over here which is really brown and more powder than crystals.... It has the strong Anis smell that most mdma & ecstasy pills has though......? where this comes from i dont know.?? 

Thinking about getting it tested but... is it really my business to get other sellers stuff tested? that sounds like i am willing to compete or something.......


Why don't you source and start selling the white Crystals then? For what its worth,  I think you are right about the Whiter Crystals being more pure.

I never believe whats listed as the purity by the vendor, on SR  a vendor in NL can always say its lab tested at X but if you dont have access to a lab how would you ever know.

As for that...

I have a source here in the Netherlands who gave me a sample a couple of weeks ago of some off-white crystals.. had them lab tested with some of my pills and the results where 81% !!!!
The thing is ... I am not sure if i wanna attend the MDMA-market.... there is already so much of it and everybody claims to have the best....
The thing with pills is that you can always read reports about them on the internet.,.. so you have an idea of what you are getting.. But on the other hand if my succesrate with getting pills trough is already so high than i will have NO problem at all with crystals...


You guys think that i should start out with these crystals?.. 81%pure ??.......and be honest list them as 81% and unlike some other sellers  NOT as 84%???

Gr,
Candy

Candy
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: Mitanox on February 04, 2012, 09:43 am
To be honest I never judge purity bu the color. Ive had great tanned shards and so-so white shards and everything in between. I list my crystals as 100% pure because the shards havent been cut with anything but the actual lab purity I dont know. To test it I just take 100mg orally and if it works good then its good in my eyes. I will bring some shards to the lab to get m tested though but it takes a few weeks till I get the results back.
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: CandyShop on February 04, 2012, 12:34 pm
Takes a week....
you bring them on thursday ... and call back for results on the next thursday


gr, candy
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: Mitanox on February 04, 2012, 12:59 pm
Takes a week....
you bring them on thursday ... and call back for results on the next thursday


gr, candy

Thats for pills only. For powder they have different times. Ill do it asap though :)
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: AverageGatsby on February 04, 2012, 01:00 pm
I think Mitanox has earned the rep for SR to take his word on his new MDMA product.

Never ordered his crystal, but it is legendary here. He hasn't stocked it in months, and people still rave how its best ever...and there are have been TOP quality MDMA vendors in the mean time.

So, Mitanox, go get some stuff tested, if only to shut up these Negative Nellies in the forums. But you'll be moving plenty of product prior to those test results coming back, so its win win.  ;)
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: CandyShop on February 04, 2012, 03:24 pm
This topic was not created for mitanox at all!!! as mitanox never even puts % in his listings;)

But mitanox thats also for powder...
Tenminste in den haag was dat zo dan..

gr,
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: AverageGatsby on February 04, 2012, 08:33 pm
Hah I know, but I believe mitanox's MDMA is not pure white? Correct me if wrong.

Yet still revered as a big swinging dick of MDMA
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: voodoomonkey on February 05, 2012, 01:41 am
someone said it earlier but ill say it again, im not expert but from personal xp white crystal mdma has been way better for me. The little i do know about its synthesis i learned from reading pihkal (shulgin) so only buy white mdma.

Just coincendnce but last time in ibiza the only mdma i could find was white
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: CandyShop on February 05, 2012, 12:28 pm
someone said it earlier but ill say it again, im not expert but from personal xp white crystal mdma has been way better for me. The little i do know about its synthesis i learned from reading pihkal (shulgin) so only buy white mdma.

Just coincendnce but last time in ibiza the only mdma i could find was white

sooo should i start?  like i said I have a source here in the Netherlands who gave me a sample a couple of weeks ago of some off-WHITE crystals.. had them lab tested with some of my pills and the results where 81% !!!!only not sure if there is really a market for it...... since there are so many .. .

Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: CandyShop on February 05, 2012, 04:27 pm
HEy,

Yes dutch test results are based on  that maximum the purity is 84%!!! !!

Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: subdude on February 05, 2012, 05:21 pm
Heroin...Coke...MDMA        Its only been driven by a little old lady on Sundays to Church.    LOL
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: mseller on February 05, 2012, 07:34 pm
Molecular Weight:
MDMA: 193.2457 g/mol
MDMA-HCl: 229.7 g/mol

So yes, funway has a point. Maximum purity of 84% calculated as freebase. But as a hcl salt is near 100%(84,1%)

84,1mg MDMA as freebase = 100mg MDMA.hcl
Both has maximum purity and same potency


Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: E=daveC² on February 05, 2012, 08:30 pm
Dubious claims certainly aren't limited to MDMA. LSD doses, coke purity, speed purity (but rarely meth purity), and H purity I've seen claims that were either too good to be true or were shown false through lab or subjective tests. And most aren't accurately tested.
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: A. Dubois on February 05, 2012, 08:47 pm
There are so many rumors and conjecture about E it boggles the mind. I've even heard people claim that the brown specks are heroin! Absurd. The best stuff I have ever had was a big giant white pill with brown specks all in it. They were INSANE. Best beyond anything I've ever done by FAR. I don't think visual inspection is the best way to determine purity, Candy. My .02
Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: CandyShop on February 05, 2012, 10:46 pm
Al mdma that has percentages % of how pure they are...

are tested by dutch labs.... since thats the only way too get it tested.... so you can assume that 84% is max!

Title: Re: LIARS on SR????
Post by: subdude on February 08, 2012, 08:19 am
Candy has shown me everything Ive wanted to know about mdma......i love mdma's cousin methylone. honesty brought me here (candy). Now if i could secure reliable bk-mdma infomation from SR. Ive arranged a chemist for testing....ya know for things you happen to find.p