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Market => Product offers => Topic started by: ManaFromHeaven on March 21, 2013, 01:22 am

Title: Cyanescens - Feeler :)
Post by: ManaFromHeaven on March 21, 2013, 01:22 am
Ladies and Gents.

Some of you know me as a bulks Cubensis supplier, but I've been toying with the idea of growing a limited supply of Cyans.

These are not for the novice or faint of heart.  These guys take you further and faster.  Please don't take that as a challenge, pride will fuck your mind in this game.

Anyhow, I'm looking for input on a fair price.
Please let me know what the fair price would be per gram on these considering this.
They grow in greater quantity but far less mass.
They require a more sterile enviornment, higher temperatures and specific subtrates.
They are in the range of 3-6 times more potent then P.  Cubensis.

Your opinions matter to me, Thank you
-Mana
Title: Re: Cyanescens - Feeler :)
Post by: boomer1932 on March 21, 2013, 03:02 am
I take it you're talking about Panaeolus Cyanescens, as opposed to Psilocybe Cyanescens, correct?  That should be obvious since Psilocybe Cyanescens is nearly impossible to cultivate indoors, especially in enough volume to market successfully, but I still feel it should be noted for those who are not so familiar with the differences.

I would be interested in some Pan Cyans or Pan Cambos (I believe the Cambos are more potent but smaller on average).  I don't think they're 3-6 times more potent, I believe around 1.2g is a "standard" dose with Pan Cyans (comparable to a "standard" 2g dose of properly dried Cubes).  This indicates nearly double the potency, and I'd say with the novelty factor, you could charge double the price per gram for Pans relative to Cubes fairly.  So maybe 25 or 30 for a half eighth, 45-50 for an eighth, 85 quarter, 150 for a half?

I based my calculations on the trip calculator on shroomery, if anyone cares for a reference.

Oh and the prices I mentioned are in USD as those are the numbers I'm familiar with.
Title: Re: Cyanescens - Feeler :)
Post by: ManaFromHeaven on March 21, 2013, 03:21 am
I take it you're talking about Panaeolus Cyanescens, as opposed to Psilocybe Cyanescens, correct?  That should be obvious since Psilocybe Cyanescens is nearly impossible to cultivate indoors, especially in enough volume to market successfully, but I still feel it should be noted for those who are not so familiar with the differences.

I would be interested in some Pan Cyans or Pan Cambos (I believe the Cambos are more potent but smaller on average).  I don't think they're 3-6 times more potent, I believe around 1.2g is a "standard" dose with Pan Cyans (comparable to a "standard" 2g dose of properly dried Cubes).  This indicates nearly double the potency, and I'd say with the novelty factor, you could charge double the price per gram for Pans relative to Cubes fairly.  So maybe 25 or 30 for a half eighth, 45-50 for an eighth, 85 quarter, 150 for a half?

I based my calculations on the trip calculator on shroomery, if anyone cares for a reference.

Oh and the prices I mentioned are in USD as those are the numbers I'm familiar with.

Boomer, yes you are correct Pans not Psi.  Thank you for the clarification.

In regards to potency, I belive that nearly every reference is subjective and are more then likely first hand accounts.  And doses are also debatable.  But not to nit-pick, we can agree that they are stronger.  Caveat emptor.

There is an increase difficulty as well as a decrease in mass vs. P. Cubensis, I think we can agree on that.  I think this is a consideration as well as rarity in the species and demand.

I think your prices are reasonable, and I appreciate your input, thank you.

Anyone else, please feel free to chime in.

-Mana

Title: Re: Cyanescens - Feeler :)
Post by: boomer1932 on March 21, 2013, 03:37 am
Will you announce in this thread when you have these available?  I'd like to be subscribed somewhere for updates, I know that if you haven't started growing them yet, they're still several weeks from being available for sale.  I can always get regular Cubensis and Penis Envy Cubensis locally, but I have never tried any other species.  I thought about growing Pan Cyans myself but I just don't have the time.

Good luck on your grow if you decide to go through with it!
Title: Re: Cyanescens - Feeler :)
Post by: ManaFromHeaven on March 21, 2013, 12:20 pm
Will you announce in this thread when you have these available?  I'd like to be subscribed somewhere for updates, I know that if you haven't started growing them yet, they're still several weeks from being available for sale.  I can always get regular Cubensis and Penis Envy Cubensis locally, but I have never tried any other species.  I thought about growing Pan Cyans myself but I just don't have the time.

Good luck on your grow if you decide to go through with it!

Yes, I'll announce it in this thread when they're available.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Cyanescens - Feeler :)
Post by: cyanspore on March 21, 2013, 02:24 pm
yes, this is correct, psilocybe cyansecens is too difficult to grow indoors because it is a cold weather species, but pans cyanescens is a tropical species and can be grown indoors

it is very difficult to get actual psilocybe cyanescens in any quantity enough to sell here. I have psilocybe cyanescens on BMR (see sig) and that is only because I am a very good hunter with many outside spots and store them in vacuum chambers to keep them potent and fresh. . I have get enough quantity to sell here, but people don't really recognize it like the tropical species


I probably should make a new thread, so about cutting in but the 'cyanescens' part caught my eye. I'm just wondering if enough people even know about psilocybe cyanescens to make it worth it to come here. Until then, I'm over on BMR for the time being, and it's going OK so far, nut it's not such a high fee

it's a very specialized thing, but a could example of how the new fees can cut out specialized sellers



I take it you're talking about Panaeolus Cyanescens, as opposed to Psilocybe Cyanescens, correct?  That should be obvious since Psilocybe Cyanescens is nearly impossible to cultivate indoors, especially in enough volume to market successfully, but I still feel it should be noted for those who are not so familiar with the differences.

I would be interested in some Pan Cyans or Pan Cambos (I believe the Cambos are more potent but smaller on average).  I don't think they're 3-6 times more potent, I believe around 1.2g is a "standard" dose with Pan Cyans (comparable to a "standard" 2g dose of properly dried Cubes).  This indicates nearly double the potency, and I'd say with the novelty factor, you could charge double the price per gram for Pans relative to Cubes fairly.  So maybe 25 or 30 for a half eighth, 45-50 for an eighth, 85 quarter, 150 for a half?

I based my calculations on the trip calculator on shroomery, if anyone cares for a reference.

Oh and the prices I mentioned are in USD as those are the numbers I'm familiar with.
Title: Re: Cyanescens - Feeler :)
Post by: boomer1932 on March 21, 2013, 03:17 pm
I think you would see success on Silk Road with Psilocybe Cyanescens, but do you have enough to make opening a vendor account worth it?  That's not a sustainable business model once it starts warming up again, and is that $500 fixed cost going to make your business plans unprofitable?  Bear in mind, you'd also need to send out some free or greatly discounted small amounts to trusted people on the forums (you don't have to but this will greatly help your business if people on the forums are talking up your product).  Granted, you'd still have the account next year and could offer Psilocybe Cyanescens as a seasonal thing...

But I think we've derailed this thread a little bit.  Cyanspore, try making a thread in the product offers subforum.  I'm sure you'd generate some interest.  This is the thread for ManaFromHeaven's Pan Cyans.  8)