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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: bunny84 on February 23, 2013, 07:54 pm

Title: 4-aco-dmt gel-tabs?
Post by: bunny84 on February 23, 2013, 07:54 pm
So there's a vendor called puffdaddy (something like that ) and he's offering the 4aco tabs ... Has anyone tried them before ? I been looking for the 4acodmt pills since buddahnature left , I had unbelievable time with them and been looking for more ever since  :-[


I am very curious about these tabs .... Wonder if they have the same effect as buddahs pills ...

If anyone purchase them please give me your trip report please
Title: Re: 4-aco-dmt gel-tabs?
Post by: jaria8 on February 27, 2013, 01:17 am
I was thinking about buying some to try as well. If anyone has any experience with the gummy tabs it'd be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: 4-aco-dmt gel-tabs?
Post by: oldcactushand on February 28, 2013, 12:11 pm
I'm also interested in an answer to this, or even if anyone has any experience dealing with Puffdaddy. I was planning to just buy 250mg of Googleyed's stuff, but having read around a little bit on the problems of weighing 10-20mg doses with cheap equipment, I'm a bit nervous. This would be an ideal solution, if it's good stuff, and the vendor is as reliable as feedback rating would suggest.
Title: Re: 4-aco-dmt gel-tabs?
Post by: QBdoobie on February 28, 2013, 03:39 pm
I am interested in these gel tabs as well, maybe search puff daddy in the forums and see if he has a thread for reviews or products
Title: Re: 4-aco-dmt gel-tabs?
Post by: jackxblack on February 28, 2013, 06:30 pm
Yeah, I'm really interested to hear more about these as well. Was just checking them out.
Title: Re: 4-aco-dmt gel-tabs?
Post by: oldtoby on March 02, 2013, 09:16 pm
Excellent experience with one of PuffDaddy's 4-AcO-DMT geltabs last night. I'd been discussing tolerance and cross-tolerance issues with PD - coming off a 1.6mg 25-C NBOMe experience last weekend; with an expectation of 2 weeks diminished effect on other psychs, I wasn't expecting much, and was pleasantly surprised. Can't provide a pure trip report because it was a last minute decision after a mix of alcohol and mj (at which point I always make the best decisions), but there was no mistaking it when it hit, which dropped hints at about 25 minutes and was fully underway leading into the hour - a recognizably psilocybin/psilocin trip but maybe a touch "brighter". No nausea.

Didn't leave me in a particularly note-taking mood, but I managed to scratch down:

"Amplified feeling of prowess - physical, mental, spiritual",
"Benevolent-being feeling", and
"3rd stage guild navigator trip".

Aside from getting the reference, I can't tell you much about that last comment. I think it was high praise.

Granted, this was a dirty run but this is my favourite new product on the Road. And I tend to be fairly critical (see my NBOMe reviews).

Title: Re: 4-aco-dmt gel-tabs?
Post by: jaria8 on March 05, 2013, 12:41 am
Thanks for the update oldtoby.  Screw it, I put in an order for 10 of them.  It probably won't be for awhile, but I'll update once I get to try them.
Title: Re: 4-aco-dmt gel-tabs?
Post by: oldtoby on March 05, 2013, 01:09 am
I've been reading more about them since the event. Surprised to see them classified as a RC on Erowid, but not exactly a new one. People on various forums seem divided about 50/50 as to whether or not the 4-AcO-DMT trip is just like a shroom trip or noticeably different (aside from lack of nausea). I found the sensation to match almost exactly - were someone to manage to talk me into a blind drug trial, I'd have said psilocybin, no question. Down to some of the less pleasant aspects - thought loops, difficulty managing complex tasks (where "complex" may = refilling your vape bowl), etc.. Far more intense than I was expecting, and really positive.

I'm considering recommending 4-AcO-DMT for a psych virgin I know as a relatively gentle, controlled-dose first trip, but want to experiment just a bit more first. If cross-tolerance wasn't a factor here, could be just right. If it was, though, could actually be a tad strong.
Title: Re: 4-aco-dmt gel-tabs?
Post by: Oompaloompa on March 05, 2013, 07:01 am
I'm interested in these too, tried the powder 4-Aco-DMT & had great experiences with it, but what I've got left now has degraded/melted/oxidised into a black blob so these gel tabs sound attractive. Would be interested to hear any reports on these.
Title: Re: 4-aco-dmt gel-tabs?
Post by: jackxblack on March 07, 2013, 03:51 pm
Just ordered 10 to try... will update upon trial.
Title: Re: 4-aco-dmt gel-tabs?
Post by: jaria8 on March 15, 2013, 09:12 pm
Just to update everyone, my order arrived  (took just over a week in shipping to get to the us). Hopefully I'll get a chance to try one out this weekend and will update from there!
Title: Re: 4-aco-dmt gel-tabs?
Post by: oldcactushand on March 16, 2013, 12:10 am
Nice one to all the people who are buying/reviewing. Just to let y'all know, especially those in the UK, Jesus of Rave has just started a poll asking if people would be interested in 4-aco-dmt. Go vote!

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=46574.2025;topicseen

Edit: Seems like they're already probably going for it. Apparently it will be the cheapest on SR, and they'll probably end up doing gel tabs. Still, go vote to make them certain! Also, something from that thread that might interest people...

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Just a quick heads up, please make sure that it is a crystalline white powder if you do continue through with this. If the product you receive is of a brown, gooey consistency, this is 4-AcO-DMT that has been degraded into 4-HO-DMT which is a markedly different trip. Unfortunately this degradation from 4-AcO-DMT to 4-HO-DMT happens extremely quickly if not properly vacuum sealed, and because people buy bulk but can't sell it quickly, there are a lot of vendors peddling degraded 4-AcO-DMT in the brown, goeey form and stating there is no difference. This is entirely false.

No idea if this is true or not, but something to look into no doubt.
Title: Re: 4-aco-dmt gel-tabs?
Post by: jaria8 on March 16, 2013, 03:03 pm
Trip report with puffdaddy's 4-aco-dmt feel tabs.  This was my first experience with 4-aco-dmt. I took a full tab (10 mg) on a full very full stomach. About an hour and a half later I was bummed because I was only experiencing barely noticeable effects and thought I got ripped off. Somewhere between the second and third hour I started realizing I was smiling so hard it hurt. From there on out it was general euphoria. Jokes were so funny at times that I cried, slight shades of color were very noticeable, couldn't tell if I was warm or cold, etc. This peaked for probably just under 2 hours. Total duration (once I felt it) was a little over 5 hours. No open eyed or closed eye visuals. Clear headed enough that I could have normal conversations with sober people fine. No nausea at all. A no point would I was actually tripping, but I felt right on the verge of it. As many people have said in the past, I found it very similar to a shroom trip.

Also, a friend also took a full gel tab, and experienced about the same effects, however he felt it with a quicker onset (could feel the effects by the end of the first hour). So I attribute my slow onset to taking it on a full stomach.

I just wanted to update the community for anyone on the fence about this. In the future if I want to really trip, I will probably take one and a half to two tabs (15-20 mg). But one tab is great for a first time using it and would be ideal for social situations where you have to interact with a lot of other people. I would recommend these and though i have eight left, im already thinking about getting more.

Also, thanks for the heads up oldcactushand. I would definitely recommend puffdaddy's tabs, however I would be interested in JoR's product as well.
Title: Re: 4-aco-dmt gel-tabs?
Post by: Oompaloompa on March 16, 2013, 11:29 pm

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Just a quick heads up, please make sure that it is a crystalline white powder if you do continue through with this. If the product you receive is of a brown, gooey consistency, this is 4-AcO-DMT that has been degraded into 4-HO-DMT which is a markedly different trip. Unfortunately this degradation from 4-AcO-DMT to 4-HO-DMT happens extremely quickly if not properly vacuum sealed, and because people buy bulk but can't sell it quickly, there are a lot of vendors peddling degraded 4-AcO-DMT in the brown, goeey form and stating there is no difference. This is entirely false.

No idea if this is true or not, but something to look into no doubt.

That's interesting, looks like I've got some Psilocin then if that's accurate.
Not too sure on the chemistry as I don't see how an Acetoxy group could degrade into Hydroxy. Presence of moisture perhaps? (which was what I'd suspected of causing the 'degradation'). But what would happen to the extra 2 Oxygens (H2O), mix with the acetyl? so the gooey degraded 4-AcO-DMT could be 4-HO-DMT & A2O.
Does that sound possible?

Would love to hear from someone who knows their chemistry on this. What would cause this change, and so what would be a good storage method to avoid it (eg would dissolving in water/alcohol, etc speed the change or prevent it?

Anyway sounds like there isn't much point buying 4-AcO-DMT in bulk, unless your interested in getting 4-HO-DMT. The gel tabs seem like the way to go, shame they're so pricey compared to powder.

I see that The Jolly Roger is selling these gel tabs too, advertised at 12mg.
Title: Re: 4-aco-dmt gel-tabs?
Post by: bunny84 on March 20, 2013, 07:49 pm
Hey that's for the up date think I will put some money in n purchase ... Haven't bought anything in 5 months still got some shroom capluses left but definitely want these before they disappeare... Hope bitintstant still works fine ... Thanks guys