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Title: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: P2P on June 16, 2013, 02:30 am
I'm interested to hear more in-depth descriptions of your experiences buying Joy's oil. According to the feedback, there isn't much of a question that it's top notch (most reports I've seen post-distillation are >90%). I'm more wondering about Joy as a seller, along with Joy's shipping protocol. I was very disconcerted to learn, after all of the positive feedback I have seen on this listing for the past few months, that there were two instances of packages being seized just in the last two days - and one in which the DEA showed up at an individual's door (they didn't give much in the way of further details). I would like to get everyone's opinions on this seller and his/her protocol (without revealing any sensitive info, of course). Joy's track record on the oil has been rock solid up to this point, so I would like to get all sides of the story. However, it is seeming as though now ordering oil from Joy is becoming more of a gamble of one's freedom rather than a simple, routine order.
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil
Post by: P2P on June 16, 2013, 06:10 pm
Nudge to the top. SR is a lot more active these days. 4 pages in 12 hours.
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: Joy on June 17, 2013, 05:21 pm
Regarding the feedback by "moneybagzzz" who claiming that his house is being raided by DEA is such a bullshit.
If the DEA is raiding his house after he got the oil,
Why the fuck he still can update his feedback very fast?! (only in 48 hours after receive his order )
Shouldn't he supposed to be in jail if DEA Raided his house?!?
"moneybagzzz" also cannot prove by scanning the "search warrant letter" on his feedback. (i not asking to change his feedback instead of challenge him by do it & post it on his feedback ) although if he is an LEO,he can manipulate this.
I think this is just a big joke.
Most of my USA client got their oil safely,just check on the recent feedback.
I think he is just one of the competitors that want to ruin my reputations / an LEO that pretend as a buyer to make my potential buyers scared.

Due to this complaint,
I'm changing the smuggling method to a various new smuggling methods.

Other customers that gave me a bad review is because they don't want to take care of paper works that is required by their customs (because they order more then 5L) / didn't want to pay tax for the oil.

FUCK THE POLICE.
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: P2P on June 18, 2013, 06:18 pm
Shouldn't he supposed to be in jail if DEA Raided his house?!?

Not necessarily. It could have just been confiscated and they may have paid him a visit simply to search his home. Plenty of people on your feedback have simply gotten their shipment confiscated and nothing more. Maybe the DEA thought he was a manufacturer due to the oil being shipped to his place and wanted to pursue it? If they entered and found nothing, then he would be a free man.

"moneybagzzz" also cannot prove by scanning the "search warrant letter" on his feedback. (i not asking to change his feedback instead of challenge him by do it & post it on his feedback ) although if he is an LEO,he can manipulate this.
I think this is just a big joke.

That's why I made this thread. I hope this person can come forward and clear things up.

Most of my USA client got their oil safely,just check on the recent feedback.

Yes I know. You have tons of positive feedback, but that doesn't change the fact that some have gotten their oil seized.

I think he is just one of the competitors that want to ruin my reputations / an LEO that pretend as a buyer to make my potential buyers scared.

The first is highly implausible. There is no competition on SR for sassafras oil. The second may be possible, but is highly unlikely.

Due to this complaint,
I'm changing the smuggling method to a various new smuggling methods.

I would hope so! It seems as though customs may be on to your current method of shipping.

Other customers that gave me a bad review is because they don't want to take care of paper works that is required by their customs (because they order more then 5L) / didn't want to pay tax for the oil.

Joy, I cannot tell you how wrong this is. Ideally, there should be no contact with any government entities regarding a package, containing illicit goods, that comes from the SR. 90% of buyers here won't even sign for a package, let alone call up the USPS to pay taxes on it. New methods should be looked at to delete any possibility that it will be stopped by customs.

Also, the negative feedback was from your 1L listing, not your 5L listing. So there shouldn't have been any tax issues.
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: Friend on June 18, 2013, 07:08 pm
Ya i think joy is just trying to cover his/her ass it seems like
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: flwrchlds9 on June 18, 2013, 08:39 pm
don want to get deep into topic, but if order 5L or more of oil international you have setup network and thoughts of how to receive and work with such things and paperwork or taxes might be needed.
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: P2P on June 19, 2013, 01:28 am
Still waiting on a buyer to weigh in.
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: Joy on June 20, 2013, 03:32 pm
Shouldn't he supposed to be in jail if DEA Raided his house?!?

Not necessarily. It could have just been confiscated and they may have paid him a visit simply to search his home. Plenty of people on your feedback have simply gotten their shipment confiscated and nothing more. Maybe the DEA thought he was a manufacturer due to the oil being shipped to his place and wanted to pursue it? If they entered and found nothing, then he would be a free man.

"moneybagzzz" also cannot prove by scanning the "search warrant letter" on his feedback. (i not asking to change his feedback instead of challenge him by do it & post it on his feedback ) although if he is an LEO,he can manipulate this.
I think this is just a big joke.

That's why I made this thread. I hope this person can come forward and clear things up.

Most of my USA client got their oil safely,just check on the recent feedback.

Yes I know. You have tons of positive feedback, but that doesn't change the fact that some have gotten their oil seized.

I think he is just one of the competitors that want to ruin my reputations / an LEO that pretend as a buyer to make my potential buyers scared.

The first is highly implausible. There is no competition on SR for sassafras oil. The second may be possible, but is highly unlikely.

Due to this complaint,
I'm changing the smuggling method to a various new smuggling methods.

I would hope so! It seems as though customs may be on to your current method of shipping.

Other customers that gave me a bad review is because they don't want to take care of paper works that is required by their customs (because they order more then 5L) / didn't want to pay tax for the oil.

Joy, I cannot tell you how wrong this is. Ideally, there should be no contact with any government entities regarding a package, containing illicit goods, that comes from the SR. 90% of buyers here won't even sign for a package, let alone call up the USPS to pay taxes on it. New methods should be looked at to delete any possibility that it will be stopped by customs.

Also, the negative feedback was from your 1L listing, not your 5L listing. So there shouldn't have been any tax issues.

I mislabel the oil as something legal.
Well you dont know that they order 4L-5L on 1L before i put up the 5L listing.
Many things that you cant see on vendor job desk.
Before i vend,theres a usa seller that sell safrole too..but because i give a better price,many people go to me.
Last month a new usa seller also try to vend safrole,but his price is 500$ / L. i put him out of competitions.
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: Joy on June 20, 2013, 03:34 pm
if order 5L or more of oil international you have setup network and thoughts of how to receive and work with such things and paperwork or taxes might be needed.

Heres an experience talking.
Its a whole new game & not like ordering your casual stash.
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: Joy on June 20, 2013, 03:37 pm
Ya i think joy is just trying to cover his/her ass it seems like

Well we shall see that,just wait & see while the happy feedback is start rolling in again.
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: P2P on June 24, 2013, 08:13 pm
Customer testimony of a drop house being raided by the DEA from an order of oil from Joy:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1610.msg1270038#msg1270038
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: Joy on June 25, 2013, 06:28 am
Customer testimony of a drop house being raided by the DEA from an order of oil from Joy:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1610.msg1270038#msg1270038

Without proof of direct link from DEA website about the bust / any news paper article about the bust, your accusation is just a BS to shake me down.
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: holymolybdenum on June 27, 2013, 01:57 pm
Joy, you are taking this issue very lightly.

First and foremost- I personally know a couple VERY satisfied customers of yours! I trust their word, and I can see that your track record as a vendor is (overall) quite good.

That said, you need to be taking these recent controlled delivery reports much more seriously. Your idea that these reports are an attempted sabotage by some competitor is hard to swallow. As someone above has mused- with whom are you competing? (I won't say a saboteur scenario is impossible, rather highly improbable.)  Same goes for the LEO intimidation theory. I find it hard to believe that an agent would put time and effort into such a hands-off approach to curbing precursor acquisition. Presumably they would spend their effort on large-yield aggressive operations. (setting up honeypots, establishing a trusted LEO vendor, ect.) The most likely explanation is that these controlled delivery reports are genuine, imo.

I am pleased to see you are changing your packing methods, though this should have been protocol after the first report of DEA interception. Unfortunately Joy, what frightens me is the stance of unwavering disbelief and disdain you've taken up in this issue. You may find beneficial a rational discussion entertaining the idea that just maybe a couple of your customers have gotten screwed. If nothing else it could help clear this nastiness in the air!

Customer testimony of a drop house being raided by the DEA from an order of oil from Joy:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1610.msg1270038#msg1270038

 ;) I sure hope so!  ;D
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: jjandall on June 30, 2013, 07:33 am
I'm on trial over a shipment from Joy at the moment. Not going to be specific about the details though..

I'd 100% recommend avoiding Joy's stuff. Not sure on the % of what gets through and what doesn't, but they seem to be pretty forceful when they find this shit at customs.

No reason to lie, I have awesome buying stats etc, I'm on good terms with most of the coke vendors, don't ever leave bad feedback, but did get massively fucked by a shipment from Joy.

Hope this helps..
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: BlownAway on June 30, 2013, 01:53 pm
OK boys, let's break this down:

According to Joy's feedback on his 1 liter listing page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/1b9bf20e59

Prior to the last 28 days his record was spotless.

In the past 28 days there's been 13 confirmed orders
- 8 happy customers
- 5 very unhappy customers (product never arrived and or DEA raids: moneybagzz. djrob6969, jjandall)
- zero refunds
- Joy's complete refusal to logically and or professional discuss the very serious nature of these claims
- Joy's absolute denial and cursing and attacks against anyone & everyone that doesn't tow his line
- Joy's total lack of compassion and caring for people who's lives are now threatened or ruined
- Joy POSTING A CUSTOMER'S NAME (needed a moderator to delete it)... edit: The Joy Forum Page with this has just taken down by Joy to hide his guilt...
- A 2nd Mod followed up with a 2nd warning and closed down the thread to all future postings because of his Joy's nonchalant attitude about listing a CUSTOMER NAME on a public forum (it was up online for 5 hours; chew on that one for a while all you potential customers!)

The logic test: Truth or Lies

In the prior 28 days Joy's product, delivery, speed, etc were 100% spot on. However, in the most recent 28 days 5 separate non-related customers in different parts of the US (presumably) placed orders, FE'd and then reported back that their product was intercepted or was delivered and then within minutes the DEA were at the door... Obviously the DEA is working with the Private Courier company.
- There been no new competitors into the Sass markets; so no need for someone to spend $ spamming Joy and ruining their own good names
- There's been no flooding of spam posts or "refund" demands
- There's been what looks like long time SR customers with good records coming out with similar DEA intercept stories.
- moneybaggz: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/1b9bf20e59
- djrob696 has closed his account (when I first read his post he had a Sr. Account, now only shows as "guest") and has presumably gone underground after his "shipping name" was posted online
- jjandall is still active and recently followed up with his ongoing court situation
- P2P has repeatedly had his sensible and logical requests for a reply rebuffed by Joy (who sounds like a politician refusing to address even the most basic questions)
- As djrob6969 said; If the DEA had bought from Joy they'd know the private courier company he was using and could easily start tracking shipments. Unlike government post, Private Couriers like have the right to inspect parcels and definitely work with DEA if asked, Like Da, shipping liquids in liter containers should be pretty easy to find & track if you know the Indonesian pick up location (which is clearly recorded by Private Couriers)

The take away:
- Joy does supplies a superior quality product and had a spotless record, prior to now
- Joy's shipping method has been compromised... DEA (and local Indonesian LE) have figured out from where he ships, and by now likely knows more about him than we can imagine
- Joy's customers in the recent 28 days have been getting royally screwed
- Joy's a fucking dick head blaming customers for telling the truth (no reason for them to waste money and lie)
- Joy should be shot for DIVULGING A PAYING CUSTOMER'S SHIPPING NAME ON A PUBLIC FORUM
- Joy should then be drawn & quartered for making fun of the fact that he DIVULGED THE NAME OF A PAYING CUSTOMER


Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: Joy on July 09, 2013, 01:39 pm
I'm on trial over a shipment from Joy at the moment. Not going to be specific about the details though..

I'd 100% recommend avoiding Joy's stuff. Not sure on the % of what gets through and what doesn't, but they seem to be pretty forceful when they find this shit at customs.

No reason to lie, I have awesome buying stats etc, I'm on good terms with most of the coke vendors, don't ever leave bad feedback, but did get massively fucked by a shipment from Joy.

Hope this helps..

Your accusation is just a nonsense jungkie talk.

Theres no proof about someone being bust by recieving safrole from me.

If DEA really bust you,proof to this community by presenting one of below list:

1. Scan your trial letter (you can edit your name & address),
2. Link the DEA Website about the bust.
3. Link any online news article about the bust. (from usa online news paper)

I will close & stop vending on SR "if the buyer who get busted, can provide one of above evidence publicy here."

I will stop replying to this BS until theres a valid proof of your accusation on me.

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@ jjandall:  Transactions history on your forum tag can be made up & you also haven't purchase anything from me (i already check it on my transactions history ) .

@ BlownAway is clearly is a trhow away account  / just a simply plain stupid newbie / unemployment who seeking a job by talking BS on SR forum.
Just see his forum profile & his post:

Posts:
    58 (4.462 per day)
Karma:
    +0/-4
Date Registered:
    26 June 2013, 11:57:45

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?action=profile;u=76454
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: moneybagzzz on July 09, 2013, 07:24 pm
Regarding the feedback by "moneybagzzz" who claiming that his house is being raided by DEA is such a bullshit.
If the DEA is raiding his house after he got the oil,
Why the fuck he still can update his feedback very fast?! (only in 48 hours after receive his order )
Shouldn't he supposed to be in jail if DEA Raided his house?!?
"moneybagzzz" also cannot prove by scanning the "search warrant letter" on his feedback. (i not asking to change his feedback instead of challenge him by do it & post it on his feedback ) although if he is an LEO,he can manipulate this.
I think this is just a big joke.
Most of my USA client got their oil safely,just check on the recent feedback.
I think he is just one of the competitors that want to ruin my reputations / an LEO that pretend as a buyer to make my potential buyers scared.

Due to this complaint,
I'm changing the smuggling method to a various new smuggling methods.

Other customers that gave me a bad review is because they don't want to take care of paper works that is required by their customs (because they order more then 5L) / didn't want to pay tax for the oil.

FUCK THE POLICE.

this is too funny. you sir are the biggest asshoole and no I will not be uploading the letter. I make to much $$ off this website to put some bullshit lie like this up.. That would be totally fucked up. As for why I'M NOT IN JAIL is because it wasn't shipped to my house. I synthesis the product.. come on i don't receive the goods to do it.. I ain't that fuckn stupid. 2nd the house it was received to the guy that lives there ( not on the lease) SIGNED a DEA letter after his lawyer confirmed LETTING the DEA just go in the house and take ANYTHING THEY WANTED, WITHOUT going to jail or getting charged. The lease owner of the place WAS TRACKED DOWN NEXT DAY AND ARRESTED. Sat in interrogation for HOURSSSS, but literally KNOWS NOTHING. No charges. They knew about the SASS oil. They obv tried telling him we know the fuckn guy selling it (YOU JOY HE SAID YOUR NAME) we are paying him off and blah blah anything to incriminate my buddy. Well he was paid to keep his mouth shut and he did a fuckn fine job at that. sat in the back of a cop car for 14 hours with his girlfriend. Lost over 16k in that little "bullshit" bust plus he'll never be able to do anything again. and as for me being a leO LOL   been on the site for like a year now.  It's my job. Only the truth was told.   PPL believe what you want to, I'm sorry this happened.. Trust me I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE MY 2L OF SASS AND 1.5KILOS OF PURE MDMA IN STATES THAN FUCKN A DEA RAID.

                         67
total spent    $38,899.00
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: jjandall on July 11, 2013, 05:10 am
Check your history again
"Sassafras Oil [ 1 Liter ]    joy(97)    5 of 5    FE    2 months ago"

My name on SR is same as here.. Stop talking shit.

I will even update it for you.

"Sassafras Oil [ 1 Liter ]    joy(97)    1 of 5    You sir are a douche bag.    2 months ago"    edit
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: BlownAway on July 11, 2013, 11:25 am
I'm on trial over a shipment from Joy at the moment. Not going to be specific about the details though..

I'd 100% recommend avoiding Joy's stuff. Not sure on the % of what gets through and what doesn't, but they seem to be pretty forceful when they find this shit at customs.

No reason to lie, I have awesome buying stats etc, I'm on good terms with most of the coke vendors, don't ever leave bad feedback, but did get massively fucked by a shipment from Joy.

Hope this helps..

Your accusation is just a nonsense jungkie talk.

Theres no proof about someone being bust by recieving safrole from me.

If DEA really bust you,proof to this community by presenting one of below list:

1. Scan your trial letter (you can edit your name & address),
2. Link the DEA Website about the bust.
3. Link any online news article about the bust. (from usa online news paper)

I will close & stop vending on SR "if the buyer who get busted, can provide one of above evidence publicy here."

I will stop replying to this BS until theres a valid proof of your accusation on me.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

@ jjandall:  Transactions history on your forum tag can be made up & you also haven't purchase anything from me (i already check it on my transactions history ) .

@ BlownAway is clearly is a trhow away account  / just a simply plain stupid newbie / unemployment who seeking a job by talking BS on SR forum.
Just see his forum profile & his post:

Posts:
    58 (4.462 per day)
Karma:
    +0/-4
Date Registered:
    26 June 2013, 11:57:45

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?action=profile;u=76454

Joy:
All you do is attack and avoid any honest discussion of what has happened.
- It's clear that your shipping method was discovered and your customers product has been seized, dollars lost and lives put in risk.
- You posted a customer's name in the forum which drew warnings from SR monitors.
- Yes, you keep assigning me negative karma every 4 days... Congratulations.
- You don't care about anyone else but yourself and should have been aborted before birth.
Title: Re: Joy's Sassafras Oil - DEA RAID?
Post by: jjandall on July 11, 2013, 12:32 pm
Will PM samesamebutdifferent to settle it.. I've dealt with him before so if he's keen I'll send my charge sheet to him and he can confirm it for everyone...

Then Joy can shut the fuck up...

Will update accordingly..