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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: watchoutnow on August 12, 2012, 08:26 am
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Hi all. I have been scammed and I can see there is potential for another large scam to occur so I want to warn the community. BTC Buddy has been very selectively scamming people under his own account for a long time and straight up ripping people off under other names. (He is also is\was a legitimate vendor under two other names.) Below is evidence for all of those claims.
Let's start with his his most recent scam:
BTC Buddy went on vacation and went into stealth mode. Right at the same time, when demand went up because buddy was out and other vendors couldn't handle the load, doublelift started scamming people. BTC Buddies vendor page reads:
SEE doublelift for bitcoin help.
Bring your large paks.
THANKS BUDDIES!!
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/cd8419017f
*VENDORS* Trade with doublelift. :)
Doublelift is a confirmed scammer and his listings have been taken down. Both MP people and vendors have been scammed. Now why would BTC Buddy recommend any competitor, did he just want to make sure his customers had an honest vendor they could go to while he was on vacation so they wouldn't be scammed? Or did BTC Buddy just send all the customers and vendors that trust him to his scammer account so he could scam them and keep his stellar reputation?
Exhibit A) BTCBuddy referred everyone to doublelift
Exhibit B) Both profiles use the same style of talking. Doublelift even uses some of the same phrasing btcbuddy does:
doublelift "BITCOIN PRICE $12.25 SUBJECT TO CHANGE SLIGHTLY AT THE TIME OF REDEMPTION"
btc buddy "BITCOIN PRICE: $00.00 Subject to change at the time of redemption, slightly."
doublelift: "*PLACE AN ORDER, YOU WILL GET BITCOINS!"
BB: "Wait patiently for btc. It's coming."
Both ask fir the big Moneypak players to talk to them,
Previous MP scam vendor accounts also used very similar language to BTC Buddy and spoke in his distinct way. Consider that it is not easy to come on SR and pull a large scale MP scam like this, you have to have the capacity to cash out a large number of moneypaks. Even MP vendors sometimes have downtime and slowtimes because of moneypak capacity issues. You can't just create an SR vendor account and cash out many thousands of dollars of MPs to a paypal or grocery store debit card.
As far as btcbuddy even using his own account to selectively scam, there are cases in the forums. He is smart, he only scams when he knows the buyer won't really have proof. Here is one thread: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=18054.0
BTCBuddy is currently down/in stealth but the potential plan is easy to see. Scam people from small accounts until they don't trust new vendors. Show up as a big saviour, tell people you've been gone and demand is so high it's going to take a long time to get them their money, do the same with vendors, use your trust to pull off the biggest heist this place has ever seen.
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I said months ago that BTC Buddy would turn on folks at some point (after he ripped me off for a few hundred bucks). I think people in SILC chat and on the Road proper know me well enough to know what I'm about and how I work.
BTC Buddy is pure poison and if you deal with him... you are playing roulette with your coins. FAR FAR better to utilize Bit-Instant (if you are a customer) or cash out via Coinabul or BTC-OTC (if you are a vendor).
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I too was a victim of BTC Buddy when I first arrived to SR. He took advantage of my stupidity and he did so in a way that I cannot prove that he did scam me, but i'm 99% sure he did. Here is what happened:
I had 2 MPs, one for 800 and one for 500. I sent those MPs to the 2 biggest MP vendors of that time: Sugar Mama and BTCBuddy.
That was my mistake. Second mistake was letting BTCbuddy know that I sent the MPs to 2 diff vendors. This allowed him the opportunity to fuck me. He has multiple accounts to which he sends the money from clients' MPs. He would ask that you inform him what region of the US you are in when you place the order.
BTCBuddy claimed this: I cashed your 500 one and sent you the coin, but the 800 one was already cashed when I checked it. I believe he cashed both of those. I contacted Greendot and they informed me that the 500 one was cashed 12 minutes after the 800 one. They also informed me that the money from each one was NOT sent to the same account. However, I believe that BTCBuddy was indeed the one who cashed both of them, simply to 2 diff accounts. Sugar Mama messaged me 8 hours after BTCBudy cashed the 500 one(and the 800 one IMO). THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS AGAINST SUGAR MAMA, BUT BTCBUDDY ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY. Maybe just a small % of his overall transactions, but a percentage nonetheless! He's a scam artist folks, and I also believe he will SCAM A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE.
To all reading this: don't fucking use moneypaks. It's foolish and you're paying too much in fees! Take a few minutes to learn what poster before me said: USE BITINSTANT->COINAPULT(->instawallet, optional step)->(BTCFOG, also optional)->SR Wallet
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Fair enough if this guy is ripping you off but why are you using a throwaway account to tell everyone OP?