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Title: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: czczcz on December 02, 2011, 04:00 pm
I recently ordered some of pharma1's 0.5mg Xanax pills. They have no effect whatsoever. I'm not a big guy, nor do I have a high tolerance for benzos. I'm quite experienced with Xanax. I have taken upwards of 2mg of pharma1's Xanax and still could not fall asleep. He insists his product is authentic and absolutely refuses to refund even a fraction of my money unless I have them tested. SR will step in soon to resolve the dispute.

The pills are loose and have no imprint whatsoever. pharma1 claims they were manufactured at a legitimate, state-owned pharmaceutical company in China, but this is highly dubious, as no legit company would manufacture pills without a blister pack or at least some imprint to identify them! Furthermore, pharma1 admitted to me in our resolution center dialog that he himself has never sampled the pills. He gets fairly good reviews, mostly for quick shipping, but there are fairly few comments attesting to the quality of his products. I poked around and found some other people who were dissatisfied with pharma1's products:

Regarding his Xanax:
"product seems to pack an OK punch"
"I expected more of a punch from this product."

Regarding his Rivotril (on the forums):
"I sold some to a friend and he complained told me they dont work."
"I sold to a woman and she said they worked, but she thought they were a little weaker."

I have been a member for 5 months, with 36 completed transactions and a 6% refund rate. pharma1 refused to refund even a fraction of my money despite the fact that I'm obviously not a scammer and am genuinely dissatisfied with his product. He is very argumentative, definitely the worst customer service I've encountered yet. I can't believe nobody has called him out on this!

I can't speak to the quality of the rest of his products, but I would think twice before buying from pharma1, especially if you're looking for Xanax.
Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: JackS on December 02, 2011, 06:13 pm
Well thanks for the warning man. I have sent him 3 messages just inquiring about his products and shipping over the last 2 months. I was really interested in buying from him yet I received not a single reply to any messages, and they were only Queries!!! He came online everyday too but still nothing. I can't place an order with a Seller if they can't even respond to minor query PM's...

This showed me to avoid him and move onto someone else who is willing to communicate and answer 1 or 2 questions at the least...before I place an order.
He lost me as a customer by not even replying to simply queries sent 3 times! Bad businessman if you ask me.
Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: czczcz on December 03, 2011, 12:04 pm
I'm glad this reached somebody. You just saved yourself a lot of trouble.

Bump!
Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: Rook on December 03, 2011, 08:48 pm
I've ordered from Pharma1 and tried all his benzos, they are legit and so is he.

You're just tripping because they aren't branded like the ones in the states.
Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: Aoth14 on December 03, 2011, 10:01 pm
Send a closeup pic and maybe I can tell you if they are fake. I have dealt with most benzo distributors and could write a book on fakes. Alprazolam specifically. Do they taste like drywall? lol


Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: pharma1 on December 04, 2011, 12:27 pm
You forgot to mention how you threatened do leave bad feed back and make a post on the forums if I did not refund you 100%! And so what if I have not taken my own benzos ? I already told you I do not take any drugs. I have plenty of feedback from SR members and on another forum which anyone is welcome to see, which shows feedback on all my products. You also said that because they are made in china they are not credible, this just shows how narrow minded you are beacuse they are not made in a western country they cannot be of good quality?! and you have aslo forgot to mention how the other SR members who have left feedback cannot be experienced benzo users! In 5 months you have completed 36 transactions, I have completed over 145 in same time so how could i have done that when i'm selling fakes according to you, the self proclaimed "most experinced bezo user on SR"?? The products I have are all good quality, ALPHA PHARMA one of the best brands for AAS with verification codes, if I was selling fakes these surely would be fake too??Get your facts straight before you start accusing people , like i have said get the proof and have the pills tested and post up a COA for everyone to see!!!
Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: czczcz on December 04, 2011, 12:58 pm
@Rook, have you tried his most recent batch of alprazolam? I've ordered Xanax from other vendors and have never had this happen. I know what happens when I take 2mg of real Xanax - I pass out, every time, without fail. I didn't feel ANYTHING with 2mg of these pills. Two hours later, I popped 0.5mg of Xanax from another vendor and was asleep within half an hour. Several friends have now tried the pills, none of whom felt a significant effect (all have tried Xanax in the past).

@Aoth14, here you go: http://i.imgur.com/HcN1b.jpg Same on both sides. Sorry, that's as close up as I could get.

@pharma1, I'm sorry things worked out this way. You seem like an honest guy, so I strongly encourage you to sample your latest batch of alprazolam, or better yet have someone else blind-sample them alongside real Xanax. You are not selling heroin or meth. Taking one or two of these pills won't kill you. You will find that the pills are adulterated. They do not work.

The fact that the pills are from China is not the issue. I recently got some Ritalin from Pakistan but it a) came in a blister pack and b) worked. Has anyone ever heard of a legit pharma company making pills with neither a marking nor a blister pack? Even in China I can't see this being the case, as manufacturing pills without imprints or blister packs would present a real safety hazard to legitimate consumers.

Why don't YOU post the COA (whatever the fuck that is)?
Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: demetri on December 28, 2011, 10:16 pm
I have bought 0.5mg Xanax from pharma1 and although generic and loose pills (probably from India or somewhere) they work just like the real thing for me..I have not been disappointed at all. Even half a pill is quite potent and makes me sleepy. Maybe you had a bad batch or something? Have you tried to work it out with the seller?
Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: demetri on December 28, 2011, 10:21 pm

Has anyone ever heard of a legit pharma company making pills with neither a marking nor a blister pack?


Yeah man, I've seen it.. its quite common, you can even Google for generic valium and Xanax and find "pharma" companies on trade sites in India offering them by the 1,000 bag loose.. for around $300. Viagra and others too. OK you have no clue what you're getting could be sugar pills or could be real deal, but getting pills loose bulk packaged like this is not uncommon. Many overseas pharmacies that supply OTC probably buy them like this and bottle them up...in fact they do exactly that in UK too on NHS for Valium as when I used to get it on prescription I would watch the pharmacist pour out pills from a big bottle and they would be supplied in generic brown bottles with typed up labels..
Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: jimmy69 on December 29, 2011, 01:13 am
demetri is right

look up ksalol...

yea maybe u got some shit indian pills but serbian ones have been the only thing paying my way a few times
Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: Neutrino on December 29, 2011, 04:09 am
I don't know of alprazolam vendors specifically, but I can recommend PMing people that sell it and ask which manufacturer produced it. If it's from a first world country then you're definitely good to go. If it's from another country then do some research to see if that country is known for fakes *cough*China*cough*.
Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: madamebradley on December 29, 2011, 04:24 am
It's not so much which country in which the factories are located but which pharmaceutical manufacturer is making it. If it's the brand name, then it's obviously going to be good. Any pharm manufacturer that is partnered with a big name to produce their generic or maybe licensed to make their brand name meds are going to be good.

You will mostly want to search the manufacturer on Google. Based on the results you should quickly get a sense if the company is legit or sketchy.
Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: rise_against on December 29, 2011, 04:30 am
you will notice that the real ones have a bitter taste to them.
Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: demetri on December 30, 2011, 11:46 am
It's not so much which country in which the factories are located but which pharmaceutical manufacturer is making it. If it's the brand name, then it's obviously going to be good. Any pharm manufacturer that is partnered with a big name to produce their generic or maybe licensed to make their brand name meds are going to be good.

You will mostly want to search the manufacturer on Google. Based on the results you should quickly get a sense if the company is legit or sketchy.

yeah i agree, its the manufacturer you need to check. proper generics are made by proper licensed pharmas firms that supply the western markets and are licensed and regulated by FDA.. India is one of the biggest countries for generic pharma manufacturers and if you get generics from India they're usually exactly the same as the brand name drugs in my experience (I've tried loads)... Most of the overseas pharmacies located around the South Pacific use Indian pharmas. China is more associated with dodgy factories making generic pills which are not regulated or licensed, and of course fake pills.. that's not to say there aren't genuine generics coming from China, but just be more wary if the vendor can't answer or just says "China".

Just as an aside on this topic for anyone interested in benzos... you can buy a fairly cheap alternative benzo analog online without script from a variety of places including bonafide pharmacies called Etizolam which is waay more potent than Valium even, yet completely legal to order as a prescription drug online without a prescription (in countries where its legal to do so)..i.e Etizolam is not a scheduled/benzo-class drug, yet its mode of action is the same.. I take these myself and they're GREAT. But they do put you to sleep. If you're after a sleeping tablet or something to transquilize you, might be just the job, but if you want something more subtle for everyday use like Xanax, these might be too much..
Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: Leech on December 30, 2011, 01:54 pm
Hey dude, beware of things sold from China. WTH they might be weaker at times. I don't think it's Pharma1's fault though.

Pharma1 is like a middleman transporting goods from the China factories to you.

If you loathe his product, you can always leave an honest negative feedback, that's what the feedback system is for.

What's there to dispute? If item is thrash, just leave the feedback and warn others in the forum.

Why do you need refund? The quality of product is out of control of Pharma1 since he is just a middle salesman. The most refund possible is he pay you the small commission he earned from selling you, which is insignificant.

There is no need to dispute this matter. Once you noted defective/ weak product, Pharma1 will look for better supplier in the future. This is the part and parcel of running a biz.
Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: AlbertoHoffmanno on December 30, 2011, 02:15 pm
i ordered some xanax from pharma1 a few months ago. they were small, round and white pills loose in a bag. i was a bit confused as the sides of the bag was nearly whitened from a little loose powder which came from the pills. i didn't worry at first, because i expected to get cheap generics, but after i sometimes took up to 3-4 "mg" and i nothing much happened, i threw them in the trash.
a few days later a friend of brought me a little pink oder purple oval pill printed with "upjohn 90". he said that these were 1mg xanax. this night i took one of them (1mg) and felt asleept after about half an hour.

just my experience to share with your discussion
Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: quinone on December 30, 2011, 04:18 pm
COA means Certificate of Authenticity.  Aka he's saying to go to a lab, have them test it and based on their analysis of the HPLC or GC/MS or etc. (which i'd much rather see then a COA *shrug*) provide you with their concluding report (a Certificate of Authenticity).

Like everyone said it doesn't matter what country it's made in, it's the manufacturer.  If you are wary then go to a vendor who sells alprazolam from a known manufacturer, there are several alprazolam vendor's to choose from.  His listing is so vague that you'd be a pretty irresponsible buyer to just buy before contacting him and asking him some questions about his "Generic Unblistered Alprazolam 0.5mg x 100 inc shipping.
" (thats the whole description lol).  Half the fakes taste like chalk so taste the pill, if it's not bitter it's fake.

Blister packs make no difference, when you go to the pharmacy do you not get given amber pill bottles?  If you look behind the counter you'll see that most of the drugs are in huge bottles (loose) that are counted out by the pharm tech and put into an amber vial for you.  It wouldn't surprise me either if vendors intentionally remove them from the blister packs for their own packaging method.

Psychosomatic response is a hell of a thing.  Just because the pills don't look the same or they might be smaller (so you might think they have less) doesn't mean they are fake.  Alprazolam is Alprazolam!
Title: Re: WARNING: Fake Xanax from pharma1!!!
Post by: Pills4thrills on December 30, 2011, 04:26 pm
I have made purchases from pharma1. His product is eneric, meaning there is probably not EXACTLY 0.5m's of active ingredient in each pill, but I felt Xanax effects from his pieces. Yeah, they were weak, but I don't think they're counterfeit, just generic and probably poorly made. I was honestly thinking of ordering from him again recently, the price is right, ya just gotta take more than what U normally would to make up for the "generic dose"