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Title: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: peter_parker on April 12, 2012, 12:31 pm
Hey guys

Ive fucked up this time

Not going into to much detail - myself and a few mates were on the piss a while back and I showed em SR

What a great idea we thought it would be to buy an oz of a certain class A drug together to save a heap of cash.

I ordered the oz from the States to be shipped to Australia - There was tracking on this certain order.

My name - my address - everyone paid an equal share for the oz

Tracking stopped on April 2nd where the status is still "CUSTOMS CLEARANCE"

This was a USPS Express envelope.

An oz of class A taken by customs - waiting for my door to be fucking kicked in any second now.

Cant sleep, cant eat just stressed to the fucking shithouse

Whats the worst that can happen ?

Fucking customs fuck sake fuck im an idiot and i will pay for this one
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: cache on April 12, 2012, 12:38 pm
The worst that can happen is that you go to prison for trafficking class A drugs, but hopefully this will not happen.
Try not to get too stressed, I have posted things to friend in Oz before and it has taken two weeks clearing customs with no problems.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: peter_parker on April 12, 2012, 12:41 pm
was this usps international express - normally takes 6-7 business days
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: JimPooley on April 12, 2012, 12:45 pm
Been in the same boat bro, don't stress until the're loading you into the back of a dogbox!

One of my packages took a 3 day holiday in the city in which it entered the country, tracking at auspost said awaiting customs clearance, then bingo, in transit!!!
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: alphacat on April 12, 2012, 12:51 pm
Do NOT NOT NOT access the tracking thru Tor that automatically signals something fishy is going on! if your paranoid about it check ur shipping progress @ a internet cafe somewhere.

hopefully they are just really backlogged from Easter and its taking a while to process everything.

best of luck!
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: peter_parker on April 12, 2012, 01:01 pm
I checked the tracking 2 days ago through tor - I know this isnt the best idea but i had to check what was taking so long. made it from the states to australia no worries then stopped at aussie customs - been CUSTOMS CLEARANCE since april 2nd. normally in customs for 3 days max
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: JimPooley on April 12, 2012, 01:06 pm
Yeah... checking an official site from an anonomous route, as Acat said, may have flagged your package!
I check mine from any computer that isn't in my house or directly affilliated with me!

(JOKE) Maybe you should pack your bags and move to Darwin! Or if you're in Darwin, try Adelaide!
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Bud on April 12, 2012, 01:11 pm
Suck on it, faggort..
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: SaladT on April 12, 2012, 01:16 pm
prepare your angus
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: peter_parker on April 12, 2012, 01:17 pm
would the usps actually contact aussie customs - hey someone checked this tracking through an anonymous network. I think using TOR to access usps web site after my package has been missing for so long is the last of my worries.

Im quitting my job tomorrow and leaving the state. not joking i dont want to go to jail for buying drugs with mates.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: JimPooley on April 12, 2012, 01:24 pm
Don't be drastic mate, just lie low if you're totally wigging out... Grab a tent and go camping for a few days, don't quit your job man!!!
It MAY be flagged and I kinda share your paranoia, but serious, I'd wait until it's necessary before making a break for it!
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Cookiee on April 12, 2012, 02:00 pm
Anyone can send drugs to any one
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Regicide on April 12, 2012, 02:05 pm
Considering that it was an oz. I can understand your worrying. I must say that you should just relax and not be paranoid. Make sure you understand the tactics of dealing with LE in your area. I don't think this is too serious of an offense, especially since you aren't possessing anything right now (if you are you might want to move anything illicit to somewhere else. Friends house, buried underground :P, etc.). They still gotta prove intent, decide if this is a package they even want to waste any time on beyond sending a "love letter".

Chill out and relax, and make sure they don't have any evidence on you. Being calm can work wonders in situations like these. As other responders have said: This does occur sometimes (anything from a simple delay to the package not being scanned at a checkpoint). Do your own investigation on yourself as if you were LE and burn any evidence that you feel may compromise you.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: klaaat21 on April 12, 2012, 03:35 pm
Obviously clean out your house of anything incriminating. 
To arrest you they have to catch you with drugs. No drugs=no case against you.  They need dope on the table.   If they have a search warrant and find nothing it is going to be hard to arrest you and even harder to prosecute you.  Obviously your not signing for the package.  If they come to your door and ask you to sign just say you didn't order anything and don't take the package.   
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: orbitalics on April 12, 2012, 04:05 pm
Chill man, there's no need to freak out unless they actually get you.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: themessenger2 on April 12, 2012, 04:56 pm
make sure nothing is on your computer and deny ordering anything.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: kmfkewm on April 12, 2012, 05:43 pm
If you live in Australia you should assume that you can replace any country you get shit from with 'netherlands' because they check the fuck out of all imported things. Smuggling anything into Australia is not for the faint of heart.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: peter_parker on April 12, 2012, 11:27 pm
Thanks for all the feedback guys
I am just going to take it easy for a bit - took a few days off work cleaning my house up and shit.

I will keep you updated to let you know how the progresses and exactly what LE will be doing on the matter,

for now fingers crossed.

Im normally a really careful hard working guy. This was one stupid mistake on a drunken nights with mates,
I regretted it the very next morning after I placed the order.

The humiliation alone of being busted would shatter me. :-(

Please everyone be careful on SR

Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: phubaiblues on April 12, 2012, 11:50 pm
Sometimes we forget this shit's illegal, and then something will happen to remind us.  It's easy at that point to get all freaked out.  I try to operate on the old 'don't do the crime if you can't do the crime' ethic, and it actually keeps me calm about the whole situation.  A bit of stoicism is a great philosophy with which to approach this sort of life--hell, all life.   

It sounds like you've the main stuff, of cleaning up your area, making sure nothing is lying around.  Also, ensure that you have a basic *simple* story that you can remember and stick to, you know: "Fuck if I know how that shit got to me...

I've got a couple of biker mates that use my address since they're always 'on the road,' and they asked if they could use my mailbox, and I said sure, why not, and no, I don't know their real names, just nicknames, and this is probably mail for them...."   That's real common where I live: half the people seem to have addresses and mail boxes and the other half live in vans, or are roaming around on their hogs, and get their mail at someone else's house....I can't control who sends me shit...and yeah, they come by and use my computer to check on their shipments...not my concern....my wifi doesn't have a password either so maybe someone used my wifi base to make an order...fuck if I know...all these idiots around here, camping in their RV's, and I've told them they could use my address for their mail....I know I should put a password on my wifi, but u know how it is.... ;)

It'll be fine.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: g0nein6os on April 13, 2012, 12:53 am
Hey mate hope ur holding up ok...

First thing I would do is Seek legal advice - pref from a Barrister with experience in this area

If its still in customs after this many days and is over the 3-5g mark it will be reffered to the AFP .... they are more interested in the big fish so aslong as your house is clean (ive even alcohol swab my cards) and you dont have a criminal history doing sonething similar then id say you should be ok...

But i cant stress enough go seek legal advice... that way your ready with legal representation from someone who already knows the case ....

all the best man

g0ne
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: mdmafx on April 13, 2012, 01:58 am
I have had plenty legitimate deliveries come in from overseas and they usually show as with customs for 2 days max. I would prepare for the worst, I think more than likely you will hear from the AFP or customs for the amount you ordered. If you live in a rented or shared house move if you can, otherwise have a story worked out and stick to it, never admit anything no matter what they tell you. Maybe call up a legal firm or service and discuss over the phone anonymously just to get some more information.

Hope it works out for you.. If you could keep us updated - I would really like to know what the outcome of this is..

ps. next time use a virtual office or pobox with a fake name
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: marker2319 on April 13, 2012, 02:13 am
I would be staying at a mates house for a little while.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: vapor21000 on April 13, 2012, 02:20 am
Anyone can send drugs to any one

you're (legit) brilliant, man.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: curiosity on April 13, 2012, 02:50 am
I have no advice to add to what has already been offered here, but I just wanted to point out, for accuracy's sake, that we don't refer to illicit narcotics as Class A drugs in Australia. Banned drugs of abuse are Schedule 9.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: BE HERE NOW on April 13, 2012, 07:47 am
DENY DENY DENY DENY DENY! If you ever are faced with the shittiest situation.

Tell'em to go fuck themselves. Don't give in to threats, break down to whatever the fuck they say.

They will lie to you and say they have this or that or this on you or whatever!

Just never lose your composure, and tell them WHATEVER they think they ought to know, it's none of their business. NEVER get into a discussion. Especially if they bring you in somewhere. ALL THEY EVER WANT IS A CONFESSION!!!

Don't give it to them. EVER.

But you still might get it without incident. Just stick to your guns, get your story straight and you should make it out okay.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: markwest on April 13, 2012, 08:28 am
ya done goofed



seriously though checking status on tor is such a mistake, but who knows maybe its just an aus post fuck up. if you get a delivery and they ask you to sign, act confused but sign anyway and dont open it for a week or so and just sit there waiting for the raid. might be an idea to wipe your computer too.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: JimPooley on April 13, 2012, 08:32 am
DENY DENY DENY DENY DENY! If you ever are faced with the shittiest situation.

Tell'em to go fuck themselves. Don't give in to threats, break down to whatever the fuck they say.

They will lie to you and say they have this or that or this on you or whatever!

Just never lose your composure, and tell them WHATEVER they think they ought to know, it's none of their business. NEVER get into a discussion. Especially if they bring you in somewhere. ALL THEY EVER WANT IS A CONFESSION!!!

Don't give it to them. EVER.

But you still might get it without incident. Just stick to your guns, get your story straight and you should make it out okay.

Agreed, they'll also take ANYTHING you say, twist it and use it against you. There's actually a training unit police in my state go thru which learns them all about social engineering ans spin! Be very careful what you say... if you HAVE to say anything!!!
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: souledout on April 13, 2012, 08:48 am
DENY DENY DENY DENY DENY! If you ever are faced with the shittiest situation.

Tell'em to go fuck themselves. Don't give in to threats, break down to whatever the fuck they say.

They will lie to you and say they have this or that or this on you or whatever!

Just never lose your composure, and tell them WHATEVER they think they ought to know, it's none of their business. NEVER get into a discussion. Especially if they bring you in somewhere. ALL THEY EVER WANT IS A CONFESSION!!!

Don't give it to them. EVER.

But you still might get it without incident. Just stick to your guns, get your story straight and you should make it out okay.

Agreed, they'll also take ANYTHING you say, twist it and use it against you. There's actually a training unit police in my state go thru which learns them all about social engineering ans spin! Be very careful what you say... if you HAVE to say anything!!!

+1 to this, police are professional liars and are told in training to say WHATEVER it takes to get you to roll over.

The police in NZ are a particularly filthy breed ,Ive had them threaten to shoot my dogs if i didn't consent to a search of my house !

the only two words you should ever say to a PIG is NO COMMENT !
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: JimPooley on April 13, 2012, 08:55 am
No Comment while singing "what's the colour of a 2cent piece..."
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Caparino on April 13, 2012, 09:09 am
Suck on it, faggort..

Did you know that you're my hero?
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Limetless on April 13, 2012, 09:18 am
Hold on a few seconds. Let's back up and think about something here. They can't PROVE you have ordered anything, some dick could have just use you as a fall guy. That's your best defense and on top of that deny, deny, deny, de-mother-fucking-ny. If they were gunna break down your door they would have done it by now. I was in this situation quite recently and it was for a fuck of a lot more than an oz. Although yeah, we are in different countries they have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. Don't worry, don't stress, clean house and sit back and watch some sit coms. If you go stay at your friends then that looks like you are preparing to bolt so it adds heat, not takes it away. Just chill Winston. :)
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: GreenPEAs on April 13, 2012, 10:19 am
Honestly you're not in bad shape at all.

Here is all you need to do and I promise you that you will not have a single issue.

1) Clean out your house. Take all your drugs and anything illicit and have a friend watch it for a couple weeks.

2) Clean out your computer. Just wipe out Tor and any links to anything illicit. You could always use this as a time to backup your personal data and reformat & reinstall anyway, maybe toss in an SSD! ;)

3) When the package shows up, go ahead and sign for it. However, *DO NOT* open it! Just leave it fully packaged sitting by the door and go about your daily life. If it is a controlled delivery, it is *NOT* sufficient evidence that you signed for it. If you sign AND open it and they come kick down the door 30 minutes later, it's a bit harder to deal with. If it's just sitting by the door, you can always say you didn't recognize the return address and were going to return it to the post office next time you were in town.

I highly doubt they will pursue you. If they do, again, the best advice is to SAY NOTHING and let your lawyer handle it. You *will* be fine!

Let me throw out a hypothetical to you - do you know how many vendors use fake return addresses around here? A shitload. So what happens when delivery goes wrong and a letter full of drugs is returned to the wrong house? They don't kick down the door and arrest the resident. That shit could be from *ANYWHERE*. Coke and heroin and ecstasy and all manner of drugs are delivered to the wrong people *all the time*.

Again, let me repeat. YOU WILL BE FINE. YOU WILL BE FINE. YOU WILL BE FINE. Just follow my three steps.

Why do I believe this so strongly? A friend of mine was buying and selling all kinds of shit through the mail using his own home address. He got paid a visit by a postal inspector. He was never charged and never even came close to having a legal problem. I realize this is different countries in different continents we're talking about here, but Australia is not North Korea. You will be fine.

Best wishes brother!
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Limetless on April 13, 2012, 10:29 am
Honestly you're not in bad shape at all.

Here is all you need to do and I promise you that you will not have a single issue.

1) Clean out your house. Take all your drugs and anything illicit and have a friend watch it for a couple weeks.

2) Clean out your computer. Just wipe out Tor and any links to anything illicit. You could always use this as a time to backup your personal data and reformat & reinstall anyway, maybe toss in an SSD! ;)

3) When the package shows up, go ahead and sign for it. However, *DO NOT* open it! Just leave it fully packaged sitting by the door and go about your daily life. If it is a controlled delivery, it is *NOT* sufficient evidence that you signed for it. If you sign AND open it and they come kick down the door 30 minutes later, it's a bit harder to deal with. If it's just sitting by the door, you can always say you didn't recognize the return address and were going to return it to the post office next time you were in town.

I highly doubt they will pursue you. If they do, again, the best advice is to SAY NOTHING and let your lawyer handle it. You *will* be fine!

Let me throw out a hypothetical to you - do you know how many vendors use fake return addresses around here? A shitload. So what happens when delivery goes wrong and a letter full of drugs is returned to the wrong house? They don't kick down the door and arrest the resident. That shit could be from *ANYWHERE*. Coke and heroin and ecstasy and all manner of drugs are delivered to the wrong people *all the time*.

Again, let me repeat. YOU WILL BE FINE. YOU WILL BE FINE. YOU WILL BE FINE. Just follow my three steps.

Why do I believe this so strongly? A friend of mine was buying and selling all kinds of shit through the mail using his own home address. He got paid a visit by a postal inspector. He was never charged and never even came close to having a legal problem. I realize this is different countries in different continents we're talking about here, but Australia is not North Korea. You will be fine.

Best wishes brother!

Exactly. If I had a Karma point to give to Emilio Esteves here, I would.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Caparino on April 13, 2012, 10:57 am
Honestly you're not in bad shape at all.

Here is all you need to do and I promise you that you will not have a single issue.

1) Clean out your house. Take all your drugs and anything illicit and have a friend watch it for a couple weeks.

2) Clean out your computer. Just wipe out Tor and any links to anything illicit. You could always use this as a time to backup your personal data and reformat & reinstall anyway, maybe toss in an SSD! ;)

3) When the package shows up, go ahead and sign for it. However, *DO NOT* open it! Just leave it fully packaged sitting by the door and go about your daily life. If it is a controlled delivery, it is *NOT* sufficient evidence that you signed for it. If you sign AND open it and they come kick down the door 30 minutes later, it's a bit harder to deal with. If it's just sitting by the door, you can always say you didn't recognize the return address and were going to return it to the post office next time you were in town.

I highly doubt they will pursue you. If they do, again, the best advice is to SAY NOTHING and let your lawyer handle it. You *will* be fine!

Let me throw out a hypothetical to you - do you know how many vendors use fake return addresses around here? A shitload. So what happens when delivery goes wrong and a letter full of drugs is returned to the wrong house? They don't kick down the door and arrest the resident. That shit could be from *ANYWHERE*. Coke and heroin and ecstasy and all manner of drugs are delivered to the wrong people *all the time*.

Again, let me repeat. YOU WILL BE FINE. YOU WILL BE FINE. YOU WILL BE FINE. Just follow my three steps.

Why do I believe this so strongly? A friend of mine was buying and selling all kinds of shit through the mail using his own home address. He got paid a visit by a postal inspector. He was never charged and never even came close to having a legal problem. I realize this is different countries in different continents we're talking about here, but Australia is not North Korea. You will be fine.

Best wishes brother!

Exactly. If I had a Karma point to give to Emilio Esteves here, I would.

IMO keep a magnet handy incase you need to wipe your hard drive
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: jase00 on April 13, 2012, 02:24 pm
I understand the theory behind not using TOR to check status.. and I am not arguing about it.. I agree with everyone.. but does anyone know for a fact it does indeed raise red flag with aust post ??

Again, I know its better to be safe than sorry, So I wouldnt risk it either, but just curious... if someone has this confirmed ?
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: peter_parker on April 13, 2012, 10:36 pm
thx for all the feedback guys

will keep you posted as to what happens

really laying low atm
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Loungeaffair on April 15, 2012, 02:57 pm

Tell'em to go fuck themselves. Don't give in to threats, break down to whatever the fuck they say.


What a newbie. Only junkies would do this.

Be gentle but deny.

Good luck.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: mito on April 15, 2012, 03:52 pm
Long time ago I've had a package wait for a week in customs, but this is Canada.

No updates in tracking info.   I suspect Canada Post was slow that week.

No problems, item delivered.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Limetless on April 15, 2012, 03:53 pm
I've had a package wait for a week in customs, but this is Canada.

No updates in tracking info.

If it's still there I would consider it gone dude. :(
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: mito on April 15, 2012, 05:49 pm
I've had a package wait for a week in customs, but this is Canada.

No updates in tracking info.

If it's still there I would consider it gone dude. :(

like I said, it sat there for a week, with no updates.

Then after that it resumed its journey and was delivered successfully....
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Limetless on April 16, 2012, 06:48 am
I've had a package wait for a week in customs, but this is Canada.

No updates in tracking info.

If it's still there I would consider it gone dude. :(

Oh I see. I thought you meant it vanished into the mist!

I'm waiting on a g of Bing, was sent on the 8th so if it doesn't come today I am pretty much losing hope. NL-U.K. :(
like I said, it sat there for a week, with no updates.

Then after that it resumed its journey and was delivered successfully....
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: cacoethes on April 16, 2012, 03:47 pm
Honestly you're not in bad shape at all.

Here is all you need to do and I promise you that you will not have a single issue.

1) Clean out your house. Take all your drugs and anything illicit and have a friend watch it for a couple weeks.

2) Clean out your computer. Just wipe out Tor and any links to anything illicit. You could always use this as a time to backup your personal data and reformat & reinstall anyway, maybe toss in an SSD! ;)

3) When the package shows up, go ahead and sign for it. However, *DO NOT* open it! Just leave it fully packaged sitting by the door and go about your daily life. If it is a controlled delivery, it is *NOT* sufficient evidence that you signed for it. If you sign AND open it and they come kick down the door 30 minutes later, it's a bit harder to deal with. If it's just sitting by the door, you can always say you didn't recognize the return address and were going to return it to the post office next time you were in town.

I highly doubt they will pursue you. If they do, again, the best advice is to SAY NOTHING and let your lawyer handle it. You *will* be fine!

Let me throw out a hypothetical to you - do you know how many vendors use fake return addresses around here? A shitload. So what happens when delivery goes wrong and a letter full of drugs is returned to the wrong house? They don't kick down the door and arrest the resident. That shit could be from *ANYWHERE*. Coke and heroin and ecstasy and all manner of drugs are delivered to the wrong people *all the time*.

Again, let me repeat. YOU WILL BE FINE. YOU WILL BE FINE. YOU WILL BE FINE. Just follow my three steps.

Why do I believe this so strongly? A friend of mine was buying and selling all kinds of shit through the mail using his own home address. He got paid a visit by a postal inspector. He was never charged and never even came close to having a legal problem. I realize this is different countries in different continents we're talking about here, but Australia is not North Korea. You will be fine.

Best wishes brother!

Exactly. If I had a Karma point to give to Emilio Esteves here, I would.

IMO keep a magnet handy incase you need to wipe your hard drive

Will a magnet thoroughly erase a hard drive?  I dunno...  I would prefer that nothing be written to it in the first place.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: zuckerberg on April 16, 2012, 06:00 pm
Naw brah a magnet will not do shit  unless its like multiple Teslas in field strength

Use DBAN (Derik's boot and nuke) , wipe, shred, or Eraser.  Just search any one of those terms at a search engine.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Sahara on April 16, 2012, 09:45 pm
...I just wanted to point out, for accuracy's sake, that we don't refer to illicit narcotics as Class A drugs in Australia. Banned drugs of abuse are Schedule 9.

The use of the term "Class A" interested me too. That phrase is used only in the British legal system, and not the Australian.

I don't mean to assume bad faith, but can we really be sure that this thread is legitimate?
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Holly on April 16, 2012, 11:14 pm
So OP are you in the max house yet?
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Jurema on April 17, 2012, 07:08 am
OP please update!
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: JimPooley on April 17, 2012, 07:11 am
If he was serious, I don't expect him back for another few days... or weeks!
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Jurema on April 17, 2012, 09:40 am
If he was serious, I don't expect him back for another few days... or weeks!
I guess we'll see, it seems like this problem has happened to some people with a good outcome.
Hope OP is ok.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: 09wfh9q2r2qorj on April 17, 2012, 11:42 am
Really not a huge deal TBH. I'm sure I'd be stressing out as well, though really if you're clever about it all there's almost zero chance you will be convicted of anything.
Remove everything illegal from your house immediately, use DBAN and don't say *anything* to the police if questioned. There are lectures by world renowned law experts on this topic, there are warnings all over places like this site and yet people STILL talk to the police. In most first-world countries (including Australia), NO negative/guilty inferences whatsoever can be made if you say nothing. There is literally nothing to gain by speaking to cops, nothing at all.

Sorry for the rant, it just boggles my mind that people STILL do this and that people in this thread are actually suggesting you deny knowledge to the police and tell them you have no information about it. Every word you utter brings you closer to being convicted.

If you clean your house, clean your computer and don't open your mouth you will not be convicted.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Gupta on April 17, 2012, 01:42 pm
Really not a huge deal TBH. I'm sure I'd be stressing out as well, though really if you're clever about it all there's almost zero chance you will be convicted of anything.
Remove everything illegal from your house immediately, use DBAN and don't say *anything* to the police if questioned. There are lectures by world renowned law experts on this topic, there are warnings all over places like this site and yet people STILL talk to the police. In most first-world countries (including Australia), NO negative/guilty inferences whatsoever can be made if you say nothing. There is literally nothing to gain by speaking to cops, nothing at all.

Sorry for the rant, it just boggles my mind that people STILL do this and that people in this thread are actually suggesting you deny knowledge to the police and tell them you have no information about it. Every word you utter brings you closer to being convicted.

If you clean your house, clean your computer and don't open your mouth you will not be convicted.

This is one of the best pieces of advice on these forums. AGAIN as with anything, do not speak with law enforcement.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Bungee54 on April 17, 2012, 01:45 pm
Really not a huge deal TBH. I'm sure I'd be stressing out as well, though really if you're clever about it all there's almost zero chance you will be convicted of anything.
Remove everything illegal from your house immediately, use DBAN and don't say *anything* to the police if questioned. There are lectures by world renowned law experts on this topic, there are warnings all over places like this site and yet people STILL talk to the police. In most first-world countries (including Australia), NO negative/guilty inferences whatsoever can be made if you say nothing. There is literally nothing to gain by speaking to cops, nothing at all.

Sorry for the rant, it just boggles my mind that people STILL do this and that people in this thread are actually suggesting you deny knowledge to the police and tell them you have no information about it. Every word you utter brings you closer to being convicted.

If you clean your house, clean your computer and don't open your mouth you will not be convicted.

This is one of the best pieces of advice on these forums. AGAIN as with anything, do not speak with law enforcement.

yeah.. I 2nd that!   These 3 Words "I SAY NOTHING" coupled with an good lawyer saved my ass already 3 times ..and always it began with somebody who DID NOT use the 3 words of magic......
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Limetless on April 17, 2012, 07:48 pm
...I just wanted to point out, for accuracy's sake, that we don't refer to illicit narcotics as Class A drugs in Australia. Banned drugs of abuse are Schedule 9.

The use of the term "Class A" interested me too. That phrase is used only in the British legal system, and not the Australian.

I don't mean to assume bad faith, but can we really be sure that this thread is legitimate?

I think Britain has it right with it's labeling of drugs. Schedule 1 and all that sounds crap. Class A gives the good shit a bit of elitism. :P Get the best...do Class A. :P
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: fsgr on April 18, 2012, 05:04 am
Really not a huge deal TBH. I'm sure I'd be stressing out as well, though really if you're clever about it all there's almost zero chance you will be convicted of anything.
Remove everything illegal from your house immediately, use DBAN and don't say *anything* to the police if questioned. There are lectures by world renowned law experts on this topic, there are warnings all over places like this site and yet people STILL talk to the police. In most first-world countries (including Australia), NO negative/guilty inferences whatsoever can be made if you say nothing. There is literally nothing to gain by speaking to cops, nothing at all.

Sorry for the rant, it just boggles my mind that people STILL do this and that people in this thread are actually suggesting you deny knowledge to the police and tell them you have no information about it. Every word you utter brings you closer to being convicted.

If you clean your house, clean your computer and don't open your mouth you will not be convicted.

Its because people think are so clever they can make up a story to get them self out of trouble. But all that happens is the coppers play along then catch them out lying, contradicting them self etc then this is brought to the court to show how full of shit they are and any defense you make is made to look another one of their lies.

Dont talk to coppers, you cant talk your way out of it.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Prawl42 on April 19, 2012, 11:51 pm


I think Britain has it right with it's labeling of drugs. Schedule 1 and all that sounds crap. Class A gives the good shit a bit of elitism. :P Get the best...do Class A. :P

LOL! funny but true :p
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: peter_parker on April 20, 2012, 10:39 am
update:

Hey guys,

Been laying really low and so far so good.

Unfortunately I will not be able to order through SR again as without a doubt at the very minimum my address has been flagged my LE.

The sickness are worry is starting to subside and im starting to get normal sleep cycles happening again.

So update is customs have taken my package but did not seem to follow through with anything. At least not yet.

I know its easy for ppl to say not to worry but if u are in this position i was in it is truely horrible.

It could have even been a dodgy customs officer that pinched my stash - who knows really?!



Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Lenovo1522 on April 20, 2012, 12:44 pm
Glad to hear you're ok... All things considered, it could've gone A LOT worse.  I'm sure if this much time has passed, the worst is over. 
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Christopher Moltisanti on April 22, 2012, 06:07 am
You live you learn
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: pbody88 on April 22, 2012, 12:14 pm
LOL at para OP, sittin in his livin room at 2am smokin bongs, paranoid as fuck, peepin out his windows, hearing rustling in the bushes, strange noises on his roof, unplugged telephone, quick visits to Auspost site, followed by quickly unplugging computer from socket.... You will be fine bro, if you had another package go missing like this you would have more to worry about.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: ChokeNuke on April 22, 2012, 10:59 pm
Well, what if it has gone to the labs to check it out?
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: HungryGorilla on April 24, 2012, 10:11 pm
Not to try and scare you man, but most of the times police wont smash your door down straight away, i'v had police show up to my door like a year after i'd done something illegal, catches you completely off guard, they wont want to raid your house or anything straight away because they know at this time they will not find any further evidence because you would;v got rid of everything, but say 6 months time you think it will have all passed then bam, say hello to my little friend.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: LainOfTheWired1984 on April 25, 2012, 03:03 am
Don't be ordering from outside of Australia in my opinion. By the way an once is nothing, what are you so scared of?
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: JimPooley on April 25, 2012, 07:32 am
This is something I also think about. The first Aussie to actually have charges laid and prosecuted against them, IMO is going to be crucified by the Police, the Judiciary AND the Media.

They'll use them as an example I think!  And it'll be birthday & christmas in one if they find someone prepared to grass on SR!

Just remember why Carl Williams is NO LONGER ALIVE... HE TALKED TO COPS.
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: peter_parker on May 01, 2012, 02:47 am
LOL at para OP, sittin in his livin room at 2am smokin bongs, paranoid as fuck, peepin out his windows, hearing rustling in the bushes, strange noises on his roof, unplugged telephone, quick visits to Auspost site, followed by quickly unplugging computer from socket.... You will be fine bro, if you had another package go missing like this you would have more to worry about.

Haha it didn't get quite that bad but yeah i was pretty worried.

Learnt my lesson .... no more SR for me. My mates have been going crazy on it though.

I have since ordered a few packages from america. Legal ofcourse.

two were opened by customs and one wasnt.

The one that wasnt opened was the heaviest haha so who knows really.

Ive actually also had custom pinch my beef jerky once ordered from America, hehe.

At the end of the day this thread is a crucial piece of information.

If I was raided it would just proove that anyone could go around and send an oz of drugs to an enemy to
get them in trouble.

I am going to ring aussie customs and ask em what happened to my parcel ... haha ... really? No

Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: Limetless on May 01, 2012, 02:57 am
This is something I also think about. The first Aussie to actually have charges laid and prosecuted against them, IMO is going to be crucified by the Police, the Judiciary AND the Media.

They'll use them as an example I think!  And it'll be birthday & christmas in one if they find someone prepared to grass on SR!

Just remember why Carl Williams is NO LONGER ALIVE... HE TALKED TO COPS.
It's crossed my mind a fair bit as well, I think the financial situation of whoever the unlucky chap is will have a huge impact on the future on the internet drug scene in Australia. If he\she can prove (and afford a lawyer good enough to do it convincingly) that despite the fact that all signs put to person X being guilty, that there is in fact no concrete evidence linking them to the purchase.

Whether this means finding a loophole in bitcoin not being considered real currency, or simply the fact that using tor and keeping your address encrypted keeps you anonymous enough that it can't be proved you ordered it, I think we {ideally} need to hear from an Australian lawyer experienced in criminal justice and specifically this kind of business, or to gather enough case law suggesting person X is not responsible.

If we as a community play our shit right, we can have an iron clad defense ready before anybody even gets busted, and with even one case of someone being proven innocent after being in found having drugs sent to their house then the flood gates will open - and assuming we all remember what we've learned from being on the road this long we will have not have any worries ordering personal amounts from wherever.

So this is kind of turning into a lecture, but the other thing that could get us which has also been mentioned and apparently used by LE in the past, is to monitor packages sent over a period of time and only bust you when you try for a bigger shipment. There's obviously ways around this but as far as I'm concerned Aussies are still short of a 100% safe way to order drugs online, and regardless of whether or not that's possible we should all work on solutions to these problems to make it possible.

It's not always the shipments that just get monitored, it's the money that people make off said shipments that is monitored as well and the net habits (or shit that indicates their net habits). You have to think of it as the justice systems unholy trinity.

Lim
Title: Re: I think I have really fucked up ....
Post by: phubaiblues on May 01, 2012, 03:32 am
LOL at para OP, sittin in his livin room at 2am smokin bongs, paranoid as fuck, peepin out his windows, hearing rustling in the bushes, strange noises on his roof, unplugged telephone, quick visits to Auspost site, followed by quickly unplugging computer from socket.... You will be fine bro, if you had another package go missing like this you would have more to worry about.

My feelings exactly.  Main thing is to not take shit *too* seriously, or that's exactly how you'll end up...funny! :)