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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: doodoo79 on September 20, 2013, 08:57 am

Title: No, you're not going to update
Post by: doodoo79 on September 20, 2013, 08:57 am
I am so tired of still reading reviews that say"will update after trying." No you won't, because you can't. Here's what you do; go ahead and leave a 5 if your product got to you and it is what it's supposed to be. You don't have to leave a written review at this point. From that point on any time you visit that vendor's page, right under his/her name there will be 4 options written in green instead of 3. You'll see the normal "message", "discuss", and "report" buttons but until you've left your written review there will also be a fourth button written in green that says, you guessed it, "review". I've never understood why some folks are so eager just to write something, anything, for a review. Here's one I love; "FE. Will update later." If you leave that you're stupid for two reasons; you left that useless review and you FE'd. I'm just saying that it doesn't help the community to leave a review with no useful information in it and you're not gonna be able to change it at a later date. So just hold your horses, give your product a test drive around the block, and THEN come back and leave your review (if you wanna be useful). Have a great day and I love all of you.
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: SuckDick4Weed on September 20, 2013, 09:53 am
Why don't we make the new standard like this:

Once you receive order and looks good - immediately finalise.

Then just have a reminder left saying "need to leave 1 feedback" similar to eBay. Maybe even another reminder when you go to place an order with the same vendor you already ordered from before.

Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: doodoo79 on September 20, 2013, 01:02 pm
Why don't we make the new standard like this:

Once you receive order and looks good - immediately finalise.

Then just have a reminder left saying "need to leave 1 feedback" similar to eBay. Maybe even another reminder when you go to place an order with the same vendor you already ordered from before.

We're on the same page. That's basically what I'm getting at. Go ahead and examine, smoke a bowl, reagent test, do a line/shot, weigh, etc. Something that takes an hour or less and then finalize and leave your number rating. But wait until you're ready to write a useful review to submit the written feedback. Feedback should include things like delivery time, professionalism of service, quality/quantity of your product, quality of packaging, and if you would do business with the vendor again. Feel me?

I just don't understand how people still don't get the fact that they're not going to be able update their feedback.
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: DudeAbider on September 20, 2013, 01:30 pm
I've run across a few "FE, will update reviews" recently and it made me pause and re-evaluate the vendor, since they didn't have any indication they made people FE.  Then when I clicked on the vendor discussion page, there were more in-depth reports of what the vendor was doing.  If the buyer doesn't intend on leaving a full review and would rather use the review as a temporary "heads up" until they choose to remove the review, I have no problem with that.  I'm not sure if it's how reviews were intended to be used, but it's still helpful to other potential buyers.
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: doodoo79 on September 20, 2013, 01:59 pm
I've run across a few "FE, will update reviews" recently and it made me pause and re-evaluate the vendor, since they didn't have any indication they made people FE.  Then when I clicked on the vendor discussion page, there were more in-depth reports of what the vendor was doing.  If the buyer doesn't intend on leaving a full review and would rather use the review as a temporary "heads up" until they choose to remove the review, I have no problem with that.  I'm not sure if it's how reviews were intended to be used, but it's still helpful to other potential buyers.

I feel what you're saying. But I'm under the impression that the feedback section is for delivery time, professionalism of service, quality/quantity of your product, quality of packaging, and if you would do business with the vendor again. The serious stuff that a vendor can look at and see where he/she's doing well and where he/she could make improvements. The discussion page is open to anyone, even if they haven't made a purchase with that vendor and there's a lot of just plain old bullshitting going on there, hell I'm guilty of that.  I just feel the feedback section (at the bottom of the page) should be for useful, valuable info.

Any vendors care to comment?
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: wackmanblu on September 21, 2013, 03:24 pm
I'm definitely guilty of doing this ... *hangs head in shame* .. from now on I'll do what doodoo suggests
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: doodoo79 on September 21, 2013, 04:34 pm
I'm definitely guilty of doing this ... *hangs head in shame* .. from now on I'll do what doodoo suggests

LOL! You understand how it benefits the community to just wait and leave useful feedback?  +1 for seeing the light. Nice post.
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: redisyellow on September 21, 2013, 11:17 pm
Hey doodoo- thanks for this post- as a new buyer i was unsure about the best way to go- but it is important to me that 1- i finalize promptly and 2- give honest feedback/review- for two reasons- first to benefit the vendor and second- i am making my purchase based on the reviews i can find- if these are not honest and correct and accurate- i might be wasting my money
so -thanks for this- it also might be valuable info for those in newbie forum
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: NW Nugz on September 22, 2013, 11:50 pm
I agree mostly.
If you are nervous about the vendor, It might be good to warn people about FE requirements with a review like:
"FE'd, will update in the discussion."

Can you leave a text review before choosing one of the 6 permanent rating choices? If not, the rating is the thing I would not do before the product arrives. So, if that, then discussion would be the place to voice nervousness about the vendor doing something that seems too good to be true or sketchy. Be aware, choosing the 6th rating option (no rating) is permanent. Just don't accept one if you want to rate later.
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: QuickSilverHawk on September 23, 2013, 02:32 am
I was hoping the new review/feedback system would help facilitate the process of a) releasing funds to the vendor, then - after actually trying the product - b) giving a rating, writing a review.
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: NW Nugz on September 23, 2013, 03:38 am
I was hoping the new review/feedback system would help facilitate the process of a) releasing funds to the vendor, then - after actually trying the product - b) giving a rating, writing a review.
I think it is set up to allow that. People just like to comment early sometimes. And, people sometimes accidentally leave a permanent 'no rating' when they intend to do it later. SR will hopefully make it easier to avoid accidentally doing that.
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: flwrchlds9 on September 23, 2013, 06:25 am
Or allow review to be edit like it was
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: brainfreeze on September 23, 2013, 08:09 am
It's all gone wrong i think, since the new changes, im not getting many people leaving reviews and also not sure how its connected but people are taken longer to pay???????. What was wrong with the old way?????
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: TSX on September 23, 2013, 04:10 pm
I always think: "Oh my god, what an idiot." I have made FE with the new feedback system because of my favorite vendor that has never disappointed me and probably will never and I just send him the funds, waited, then when it arrived I wrote a review. Simple.
First I thought it sucks that you can not edit anymore, but now I think why should you want to edit?
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: DrChong on September 25, 2013, 05:46 am
Buyers just need to detail their reveiws a ton more. Talk about communication. Talk about stealth/packaging/shipping. Talk about whatever concerns you had and when or if they were fixed. That's what should be in the review section, not some garbage about FE'ing.

I see a bunch of "5/5 awesome" or "solid solid solid" or "haven't tested but 5/5 otherwise". NO! You don't leave a review until the product has been tested, you've received it, and you've reflected on how your purchase went and what the vendor deserves to know how awesome their stuff is. And if you didn't get satistfaction, you PM vendor before leaving a review. Vendors can't expect funds to be released immediately after their shipment is shown as delivered, either. Sellers and buyers both have lives, and it's not always possible to mark the shipment as received the day it comes in the mail.

Enough with thiis "FE for trusted vendor" before their package even arrives! I swear, people probably finalize right after ordering!
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: Hungry ghost on September 25, 2013, 09:17 am
The new feedback system is good, and now we are used to it, and slightly change our reviewing practices, it works. BUT there should STILL be the ability to change your LAST, MOST RECENT rating and/or review with a vendor.
       Despite everyone saying don't FE, we all knows it goes on and is the most common way of a vendor performing exit scam. We NEED a buyer to be able to inform us he has FE'd and then we NEED him to be able to change that when/if the package arrives.
       Obviously writing 'Fe will update' is pointless now but under old system it was valid, and an informative part of feedback for other buyers who could see if it changed to "hooray drugs arrived" OR "hmmm no it come yet vendor is stringing me along with promises"
        This useful aspect needs reinstating to protect new buyers. It doesn't affect me at all as I don't need to FE, but still, the other week I had a package come and immediately finalised and left 5 as I couldn't use it for a few days. When I came to try the drugs they were terrible. (I was able to resolve amicably with vendor). It was annoying not to be able to change rating. Yes I could have written a scathing review but it wouldn't effect vendors rating.
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: doodoo79 on September 25, 2013, 11:22 pm
Today I left What I think is a helpful, USEFUL review. If you guys would like to see if I practice what I preach. It was for "mrgood247". I also left one 2 days ago for "CarlitosBrigante".  These are the kind of reviews that I think are helpful to both buyer and seller.
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: jonjon2 on September 26, 2013, 02:07 am
I am so tired of still reading reviews that say"will update after trying." No you won't, because you can't. Here's what you do; go ahead and leave a 5 if your product got to you and it is what it's supposed to be. You don't have to leave a written review at this point. From that point on any time you visit that vendor's page, right under his/her name there will be 4 options written in green instead of 3. You'll see the normal "message", "discuss", and "report" buttons but until you've left your written review there will also be a fourth button written in green that says, you guessed it, "review". I've never understood why some folks are so eager just to write something, anything, for a review. Here's one I love; "FE. Will update later." If you leave that you're stupid for two reasons; you left that useless review and you FE'd. I'm just saying that it doesn't help the community to leave a review with no useful information in it and you're not gonna be able to change it at a later date. So just hold your horses, give your product a test drive around the block, and THEN come back and leave your review (if you wanna be useful). Have a great day and I love all of you.
that my friend is a good point, plus 1 for you and i love you too :P
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: J4M136 on September 26, 2013, 08:53 am
>snip<

Enough with thiis "FE for trusted vendor" before their package even arrives! I swear, people probably finalize right after ordering!

+1
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: Cornelius23 on September 28, 2013, 02:12 am
The new feedback system is good, and now we are used to it, and slightly change our reviewing practices, it works. BUT there should STILL be the ability to change your LAST, MOST RECENT rating and/or review with a vendor.

        This useful aspect needs reinstating to protect new buyers. It doesn't affect me at all as I don't need to FE, but still, the other week I had a package come and immediately finalised and left 5 as I couldn't use it for a few days. When I came to try the drugs they were terrible. (I was able to resolve amicably with vendor). It was annoying not to be able to change rating. Yes I could have written a scathing review but it wouldn't effect vendors rating.
I think it can affect most people. I've read a number of posts from vendors stating that buyers have apologised for mistakenly but irreversibly clicking the wrong button, for instance.

I like your idea of being able to change one's last rating/review. After thinking about it a little more it might be better to extend it to the last transaction with each product rather than each vendor.
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: metacontxt on September 28, 2013, 05:44 pm
We should be a little bit careful to condemn here - this sounds like it could be a case of sample error, in that it seems we're making a judgment based on what is seen while not considering what is unseen (thanks M. Bastiat). We see the 6 month old reviews stating "will update after trying" and it's easy to assume that the site is swarming with idiots who leave these kinds of reviews and never actually do update - the multitude of plainly unamended reviews are proof of that. What we DON'T see is the people who wrote the same kind of review, and then updated it. Given the old feedback system, it wasn't a bad idea to review immediately after finalising - whether FEing or upon receiving the item - the site prompted you to review at that point, may as well, and you could always change it later. I guess many people did this, while many others forgot about their intentions. Sure, there are probably a few dunderheads who unthinkingly write "will update after..." yet never do, but I suspect a lot of people who wrote such reviews in the past fully intended to update, but life got in the way, the importance of giving a precise evaluation of their $50 worth of whatever receded, and they just overlooked it for that particular purchase.

I'd wager a lot of the people still giving 5 star reviews without trying the item or having FE'd aren't dummies - they either haven't got the memo about the new feedback rules or are just creatures of habit. They may not pay so much attention to the workings of the site and the changes that have been made to the feedback system - maybe they don't spend much or any time on the forum, for instance - so they just keep on doing what they've always done.

Anyway, let's not forget that a lot of the punters here probably view this site as nothing more than a place to perform a transaction. It's not that surprising, is it? When we buy a pack of gum from a 7-11, most of us don't assume it necessary to adhere to codes of conduct or behavioural expectations beyond those that are generally imposed by civil society. This forum is a community of sorts, but the trading floor is nothing more or nothing less than that; a place where buying and selling is the main and overriding concern. The only obligation a buyer has is to pay in full for what they've bought within a timeframe agreed upon by buyer and seller - and I suspect this is the only obligation that many buyers would consider relevant. They don't view the site as an ideologically-motivated endeavour. They may not be so concerned about the rigorous maintenance of the systems of self-regulation necessary in light of the fact that we don't have recourse to impartial processes of arbitration and dispute resolution. They want to buy, and get what they paid for. The end.

Would the site be better off without this kind of buyer? I'd argue no, it wouldn't be. Let's not be too harsh on them.
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: MachineElves on September 28, 2013, 05:52 pm
Have to be honest, our feedback has been great with people describing the effect of the drug and not just its weight/speed of delivery etc.

Which as a Vendor is EXACTLY what you want to know.

I already know that Royal Mail delivers well!!!

Namaste.

MACHINE ELVES
Title: Re: No, you're not going to update
Post by: Cornelius23 on September 28, 2013, 08:23 pm
Anyway, let's not forget that a lot of the punters here probably view this site as nothing more than a place to perform a transaction. It's not that surprising, is it? When we buy a pack of gum from a 7-11, most of us don't assume it necessary to adhere to codes of conduct or behavioural expectations beyond those that are generally imposed by civil society. This forum is a community of sorts, but the trading floor is nothing more or nothing less than that; a place where buying and selling is the main and overriding concern. The only obligation a buyer has is to pay in full for what they've bought within a timeframe agreed upon by buyer and seller - and I suspect this is the only obligation that many buyers would consider relevant. They don't view the site as an ideologically-motivated endeavour. They may not be so concerned about the rigorous maintenance of the systems of self-regulation necessary in light of the fact that we don't have recourse to impartial processes of arbitration and dispute resolution. They want to buy, and get what they paid for. The end.
Would the site be better off without this kind of buyer? I'd argue no, it wouldn't be. Let's not be too harsh on them.
Agreed. For some, perhaps most, buyers, the market is just an Amazon for Drugs. While this attitude may place unreasonable expectations on vendors (usually, I think, part-time sole traders doing their best to secure illegal goods and sneak them safely through national and international postage systems) I doubt we can get away from the fact that in a browser, TORed or not, one shopping site feels much like another and provokes much the same instinctual behaviour.