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Title: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: Silk Road Encounter on February 19, 2012, 09:25 am
I'm thinking about breaking into the vendor's market and offering legal advice for those that feel they may need it.  I see many very good legal questions being raised on these message boards, without many very good answers.
I would start off charging $100/hour for private, encrypted consultations.  This is a steep discount form what is normally charged.  Some form of pgp instant messenger or instant correspondence that would ensure privacy and security.  Consultations would be protected by attorney-client privilege.  The only limitation to advice would be if the client asked for advice on how to personally continue in the commission or attempted commission of any ongoing criminal activity.  Hypothetical questions are limitless.

Ring in on this issue, if you so desire :)
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: tony76 on February 19, 2012, 09:37 am
Wonderful idea. I love defense attorneys.

One thing... How would you be able to prove you are actually an attorney?

Are you breaking any laws by participating in this forum?
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: tony76 on February 19, 2012, 09:38 am
By the way, you probably want to post this in 'Product Offers' and not 'Product requests'
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: Silk Road Encounter on February 21, 2012, 02:48 am
My mistake.  What I do need to post in this section is that I need help with technology.  I'm willing to trade legal advice for technological advice regarding PGP and online security.  Shameless plug there, I know lol.
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: Silk Road Encounter on February 21, 2012, 03:06 am
How would you be able to prove you are actually an attorney?

The same way any vendor proves that he offers any other legitimate product or service on SR.  Through the past positive experiences of others.  Identification isn't required for any other product or service on SR.  This is because the goods and service speak for themselves.  The advice itself is evidence of the claim.  Res ipsa loquitor.
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: Danilo Blandon on February 21, 2012, 04:11 am
Legal outsider here, but aren't there big differences from state to state?
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: chronicpain on February 21, 2012, 04:35 am
Also, you should buy a vendors account. Give a detailed resume  on your strengths, etc. Also, it may be a good idea for you to post what states you are licensed to practice...
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: quinone on February 21, 2012, 10:48 am
I'm thinking about breaking into the vendor's market and offering legal advice for those that feel they may need it.  I see many very good legal questions being raised on these message boards, without many very good answers.
I would start off charging $100/hour for private, encrypted consultations.  This is a steep discount form what is normally charged.  Some form of pgp instant messenger or instant correspondence that would ensure privacy and security.  Consultations would be protected by attorney-client privilege.  The only limitation to advice would be if the client asked for advice on how to personally continue in the commission or attempted commission of any ongoing criminal activity.  Hypothetical questions are limitless.

Ring in on this issue, if you so desire :)

So you're a criminal defense attorney who want's clients at $100/hr but doesn't proof read his own declaration of intent to offer his services?
"This is a steep discount form what is normally charged"

I know i'm being a grammar Nazi, but any well educated defense attorney would read his fucking advertisement before posting it.
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: JimPooley on February 21, 2012, 11:39 am
yeah... ummm... I prefer to see my legal representatives credentials before consultation, I like to know their education and background... Also I have a SILLY preference for them to be well versed in and practicing the laws of the country in which i currently abide!
I like your nouse, but I don't see myself giving you any business!
Very best of luck tho, I agree that some pertinent legal advice is always valuable and given the nefarious nature of SR you'll probably get swamped!

Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: cindylove on February 21, 2012, 12:47 pm
Not to call you out or anything but this seems a bit dodgy to me. I don't get why you need anonymity when you won't be doing anything illegal. And proof of credentials would go a long way in making people trust you and your advice.

Just my 2 bitcents
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: BigBill6778 on February 21, 2012, 01:10 pm
well here in Canada I am sure you are not allowed to interact with criminals or associate in any criminal activity you become an accessary to the fact & after the fact also.Post the Barrister papers so it can be verified so people won't have the wrong idea.PEOPLE can call the university and verify if the people have obtained a legal degree in all fields of education(just claim you are a employer and you need verbal verification) Universities will gladly tell you freely because they feel proud that there students have a good chance of getting hired.

BigBill6778
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: Addy on February 24, 2012, 07:33 am
Neat idea.

I think charging X$/hour for general legal help would be awesome. Or perhaps X$ per question, whatever ends up making more sense.

However, I think an attorney looking for clients here should be willing to detail and discuss EVERYTHING regarding committing crimes, including methods and advice of future crimes. Or as you put it, "advice on how to personally continue in the commission or attempted commission of any ongoing criminal activity:" Telling vendors what tricks or traps you may use to have the police to act incorrectly to help you get off by technicalities, evoking sympathy in you by the jury because of police ineptitude and rule breaking, etc. (illegal search, no Miranda Rights conveyed before interrogation, etc.). Perhaps you could provide any trial results that could be used to strengthen planned criminal behavior (mirror the actions of the previous offender, if possible) to get off. Do's and Don'ts (with Why's) when dealing with any action involving the law (don't let an officer who has your car marked as a possible dealer's car search your vehicle based on a claim he is allowed to inventory your car if you break the law, perhaps by speeding).

This is in addition to obvious counsel, like what the police are legally allowed to do in general, as well as jailtime and a list of the actual crimes you're committing (possession, p.with intent to distribute, conspiracy to whatever). The latter may be helpful when contemplating plea bargains with the prosecutor, or perhaps will help dictate what criminal activity you wish to engage in (dealing vs. using and their varying degrees, or maybe something else).

Since you (or any hypothetical attorney) are anonymous here, the client and you would be free to talk about past, present, and future crimes, which could be more helpful than a face-to-face attorney with whom you may have to limit your discussion of "what happened" if it involves the present or future. Ease of mind by being able to freely discuss all criminal behavior is definitely worth something.

As I view it, there would be no reason to spend money to use an attorney online (especially one who would not reveal himself), when you could use a face-to-face or otherwise verified (legal sites/forums) one, unless you wanted to be able to literally discuss anything law-related, including how to get away with future crimes. I don't see why you would not give counsel to the above, since you wish to remain anonymous.

I imagine there would be legal ramifications for claiming to be an attorney if you aren't one. That's really the only reason I can formulate why you would both

1) wish to remain anonymous and
2) not discuss how to get away with future crimes

If you value the first, just show you have some awesome knowledge of relevant law, and perhaps evidence (not proof- a picture of your law school diploma/passing of the bar exam, that sort of thing) you're an attorney, graduate of law school, etc.
If you value the second, what are you offering that law sites, face-to-face counsel, etc. do not?

In any case, I love this idea, and perhaps someday I'll use such a service. Not for advice on how to commit crimes, of course. Perhaps SWIM will get in trouble and need to know a thing or two about law and our rights.
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: BenJesuit on February 24, 2012, 12:45 pm
Who in their right mind would buy "legal service" on SR for $100/hr?

The smart thing to do is to create a library of legal guides in PDF format, MP3 format, or even a video that can be purchased. Then perhaps sell targeted answers to specific questions.

For example, a SR member has a specific question. They message you with the question. You in turn, create a customized PDF document which answers their specific scenario for a fee. This can be sold to the buyer as a customized listing.

After a while, you'll build up a library of guides that were originally customized listings that anyone can purchase. You just need to provide a summary of what is being discussed for the listing. If after buying the document which was an answer to a specific scenario for someone else, the buyer has more questions taht are unique to their situation, they can message you with the questions and you then create another customized listing for them to purchase.

 

Otherwise, I wouldn't trust revealing myself to a "lawyer" on SR with any personal information. Said lawyer could be a member of the law enforcement community.

As Admiral Akbar once said, "it's a trap!"
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: midas on February 24, 2012, 12:56 pm
Hypothetical questions are limitless.

If I had a friend who sell drugs...
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: Trinitron421 on February 24, 2012, 02:12 pm
Just a thought, not trying to instill paranoia or anything, but wouldn't this be a good idea to collect sensitive information about buyers and vendors ?
I don't like the thought of it at least.
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: Bartsamson on February 24, 2012, 03:41 pm
 ??? Yea Umm Buying Legal Advice on SR Ill Stick To My Local Legal Advisors
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: BenJesuit on February 24, 2012, 06:28 pm
Just a thought, not trying to instill paranoia or anything, but wouldn't this be a good idea to collect sensitive information about buyers and vendors ?
I don't like the thought of it at least.

Exactly. Only a fool would trust a "lawyer" on SR with sensitive, non-hypothetical, information.

I could see people asking him advice as SWIM (Someone Who Isn't Me).

You know, I can't honestly believe a "well meaning person" would offer to sell legal service on SR. It just doesn't make sense. I smells like a LEO trap to catch low hanging fruit.
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: minorthreat71 on February 24, 2012, 08:48 pm
Are you breaking any laws by participating in this forum?

Google: Multistate Professional Responsibility Examination

This guy is full of shit.  How could an attorney from CA answer a question about a drug case in NJ? If this guys is a practicing attorney, he's an idiot.  He'll be disbarred. 
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: speakers on February 24, 2012, 10:11 pm
i see nothing but bullshit from this guy...and you could just get free legal advice by calling one of the lawyers on tv if you make it sound like you will make them money.
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: Tunbear on February 24, 2012, 10:39 pm
To keep in the spirit of the conversation the next paragraph is a hypothetical dream scenario for a screenplay I'm directing..or something..

As this is pretty much a haven for illegal activity and you are here for illegal purposes, and you're offering advice for people you know are going to commit crimes or are doing, wouldn't it be better to cut the bull and just let people be free, and you explain where their situation will go wrong, how to improve it legally etc. ?

Every shady organization needs a shady lawyer ;)
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: BenJesuit on February 25, 2012, 02:20 am
LOL, precisely.

Though, LEO (aka, this lawyer dude) is just passing through. Ain't nobody gonna take him up on his offer.

We're talkin' tumbleweeds rolling past his store's shingle on the overgrown lawn.

This spider will grow thin and frail while waiting to ensnare a hapless fool.

In the end, it'll just be a cobweb he leaves behind.
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: BigBill6778 on February 25, 2012, 03:31 pm
Legal advice is nice it can protect you when you don't understand the law.I would recommend that anyone that needs legal advice stop by the local Barristers office and pay them $50 and get a receipt then talk to the lawyer about your problem(Once a lawyer has excepted money(ies) from you he can no longer reveal any conversation that you and him have had) this is from the man that I use for legal counsil.Always get a reciept for the payment that way you have proof that he represents you and your interests

BigBill6778
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: F104 on February 25, 2012, 04:05 pm
@ Big Bill, good advice and a neat summary.

Many times I have retained an attorney for an hour consultation. Always money well-spent. Every time I left with a much clearer understanding of what the issues are, what are the dividing lines between them, who has what obligations, what the different parties can and cannot do. And most important: who makes the next move.

One caution: attorney-client privilege extends only to past actions and current or possible legal action resulting from past actions. There are "mob lawyers" but that relationship costs a ton of dough and with or without money, a stranger walking in off the street doesn't make the cut. If you tell one of 99.999% of all the lawyers on earth that you want to commit a crime they will tell you don't do it and if you tell them you WILL commit a crime then they will kick you out of the office and tell you not to come back. Why would they want the headache?

The reason: any person who has knowledge of an upcoming crime must report it or they will be a conspirator in the crime. If they know they need to report it - and a lawyer would know that - but do not, they will also be liable as an accessory, because not reporting the would-be criminal is a form of protecting them, thereby helping make the way clear to commit the crime.
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: minorthreat71 on February 29, 2012, 11:00 am
Though, LEO (aka, this lawyer dude) is just passing through. Ain't nobody gonna take him up on his offer.

Huh?  So you think all lawyers are "LEO"? Get the fuck out of here.... most lawyers hate cops because they are morons.  Have you ever read a police report?  Most are written with coloring crayons.

Relax sparky, there are a lot of douche bag lawyers, but there are a lot that really care - just like any profession.  In fact, hypothetically speaking, many lawyers dedicate their careers to defending drug cases because they believe it's an infringement against constitutionally protected rights.

I know a "guy" that went to a tier one law school, and spends lots of time here.  Last time I checked, he would gladly provide advice for FREE, framed as a hypothetical. 
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: Silk Road Encounter on March 06, 2012, 12:58 pm
Are you breaking any laws by participating in this forum?

Google: Multistate Professional Responsibility Examination

How could an attorney from CA answer a question about a drug case in NJ? If this guys is a practicing attorney, he's an idiot.  He'll be disbarred.

This is the first time a NJ drug case has been mentioned in this thread.  Why do you think I'm an idiot?  How am I getting disbarred?
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: Silk Road Encounter on March 06, 2012, 01:02 pm
i see nothing but bullshit from this guy...and you could just get free legal advice by calling one of the lawyers on tv if you make it sound like you will make them money.

Criminal Defense Atty bill.  Personal Injury lawyers are the ones with tv ads.  They talk about drugs, sure.  But not the kind that are on SR.  The kind that are more dangerous lol
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: Silk Road Encounter on March 06, 2012, 01:13 pm
To keep in the spirit of the conversation the next paragraph is a hypothetical dream scenario for a screenplay I'm directing..or something..

As this is pretty much a haven for illegal activity and you are here for illegal purposes, and you're offering advice for people you know are going to commit crimes or are doing, wouldn't it be better to cut the bull and just let people be free, and you explain where their situation will go wrong, how to improve it legally etc. ?

Every shady organization needs a shady lawyer ;)

Please direct all questions through my atty.  lol

I've given the whole Silk Road presence as an indication of criminal intent idea some thought.  The thing is there isn't any caselaw on Silk Road presence being in and of itself proof beyond a reasonable doubt of any particular type of wrongdoing.  There are similar cases out there that express the same idea, though.

In considering all of the constructive feedback I've received from all you fine members, I'm going to sleep on the ideas we've come up with.  I'm going to see what I can do to either present credentials or make an exception to the previously mentioned rules of law practice.  Ever shady organization does, in fact, need a shady lawyer.  Let's keep the convo going and I'll reconvene after I clear my docket. ;)
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: Silk Road Encounter on March 06, 2012, 01:16 pm
Once a lawyer has excepted money(ies) from you he can no longer reveal any conversation that you and him have had

What country is this?
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: BigBill6778 on March 06, 2012, 01:42 pm
That Country would be Canada.Shit the way your talking you sound more like a Paralegal than a Lawyer or a jail house lawyer. all you have to do is Give some info I am a superintendent of an apartment building I can do a credit check on you and verify if your the real deal.
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: quinone on March 06, 2012, 11:27 pm
Once a lawyer has excepted money(ies) from you he can no longer reveal any conversation that you and him have had

What country is this?

This law/rule doesn't exist in the USA?

Thank god for Canada, I wouldn't even go see a lawyer if he wasnt bound to keep his trap shut always by law.
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: Crisis on March 07, 2012, 05:26 am
Interesting idea but far too risky. I'm not sure I'd trust any attorney willing to offer their services on a website that deals in contraband.

What I would like to see is a lawyer willing to give out general legal advice here on the forums. You might not make money but you'd get some pretty high cred.
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: Silk Road Encounter on March 08, 2012, 09:41 am
Once a lawyer has excepted money(ies) from you he can no longer reveal any conversation that you and him have had

What country is this?

This law/rule doesn't exist in the USA?

Thank god for Canada, I wouldn't even go see a lawyer if he wasnt bound to keep his trap shut always by law.

In USA, we have what's called atty-client privilege.  It doesn't require the atty to accept money.  The only requirement is that the lawyer agrees to listen and offer legal advice.  Canada may have a law that say something to the effect of "once a penny is placed in his palm, the privilege begins."  But somehow I think that unlikely.  Has anyone ever seen that episode of Breaking Bad?  Where Saul Goodman asks the guy to put a dollar in his pocket so that it can be an "official" atty-client privileged relationship?  It's pure hollywood.  At least in the good ol' USofA.  We take client confidentiality very seriously in the states.  Money has nothing to do with confidentiality for us.
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: MrMatekush on March 15, 2012, 06:40 am
Lawyers dont always take money SHIT i had a lawyer who i would pay MINTS and BUD to cover my ass in court! AND HES ONE DAMN GOOD LAWYER!
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: minorthreat71 on March 15, 2012, 12:35 pm
Just to Clarify - Silk Road Douchewad - is not a lawyer.

jurisdictional defense is grounds for disbarment.    Quick, SRE - whats a CR 11? what is MR 7.3?

To play devils advocate, if he was a lawyer, he is by far the SHITTIEST lawyer on the planet.

Where did you go to law school again?  Cooley or Peoples?  Me, Boalt.... you wanna play, I'm game.  I'll expose you for the idiot that you are. 

In fact, just tell e the holding of iqbaul v. twably.......totality misspell this but every lawyer on the planet know what I talking about.  Change your name.  Play fucking douche wade some where else. 

IN FACT I AM CALLING YOU OUT - We need a new thread. 
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: minorthreat71 on March 15, 2012, 12:40 pm
The only requirement is that the lawyer agrees to listen and offer legal advice.  Canada may have a law that say something to the effect of "once a penny is placed in his palm, the privilege begins."  But somehow I think that unlikely.  Has anyone ever seen that episode of Breaking Bad?  Where Saul Goodman asks the guy to put a dollar in his pocket so that it can be an "official" atty-client privileged relationship?  It's pure hollywood.  At least in the good ol' USofA.  We take client confidentiality very seriously in the states.  Money has nothing to do with confidentiality for us.
"the Only requirement"........... you want me to paste the rule?  You're done.  I know a lot of lawyers, and we certain know how to use the modifier "only" correctly.  Your logic and grammatical structure FAIL.   
Title: Re: Legal advice form a criminal defense attorney
Post by: minorthreat71 on March 15, 2012, 12:54 pm
SRE - You know what fuck it.... name one case you've worked on.  Give me the citation.  I will not divulge any of your "info".... just one....  I know you won't because you're a fucking fraud.

Piece of advice, I know you're not a law student not a lawyer.  No one is ipressed by it.  It's trash like you that sully thename.  Do what you now is best, "Would you like fires with that order, sir."  Fuck, you'll likely make more money in the longer run.

Let me suggest a book - Logic made easy - dude, you need it.  your first year at a TTTT is gonna suck.