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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: letsgetreal on November 15, 2012, 01:43 pm

Title: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: letsgetreal on November 15, 2012, 01:43 pm
Because DPR offers something that you can't get anywhere else(although this outage may change that) I think people around here accept what would not be accepted anywhere else.
We all know that DPR is taking in an ever growing amount of profits from SR. Order of magnitude more than the amount that would best correlate to service/features provided in the real world.
He is going to be set for life from this community, we deserve better than this, I'm sorry if this pisses off some, but if we keep being okay with crap, we are going to continue to get crap.
THIS LENGTH OF OUTAGE IS UNACCEPTABLE. Invest more of those profits.

I am a vendor, this is my only source of income....
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: Errl_Kushman on November 15, 2012, 01:52 pm
Because DPR offers something that you can't get anywhere else(although this outage may change that) I think people around here accept what would not be accepted anywhere else.
We all know that DPR is taking in an ever growing amount of profits from SR. Order of magnitude more than the amount that would best correlate to service/features provided in the real world.
He is going to be set for life from this community, we deserve better than this, I'm sorry if this pisses off some, but if we keep being okay with crap, we are going to continue to get crap.
THIS LENGTH OF OUTAGE IS UNACCEPTABLE. Invest more of those profits.

I am a vendor, this is my only source of income....

Lame shill acct. Post from your real acct and i'll retract calling you a fag.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: letsgetreal on November 15, 2012, 01:57 pm
Because DPR offers something that you can't get anywhere else(although this outage may change that) I think people around here accept what would not be accepted anywhere else.
We all know that DPR is taking in an ever growing amount of profits from SR. Order of magnitude more than the amount that would best correlate to service/features provided in the real world.
He is going to be set for life from this community, we deserve better than this, I'm sorry if this pisses off some, but if we keep being okay with crap, we are going to continue to get crap.
THIS LENGTH OF OUTAGE IS UNACCEPTABLE. Invest more of those profits.

I am a vendor, this is my only source of income....

Lame shill acct. Post from your real acct and i'll retract calling you a fag.

Not a snowball chance in hell...it could have negative impact on my income.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: acider on November 15, 2012, 01:59 pm
1)More money doesn't mean faster TOR. Also he can't just hire people you know.
2)SR shouldn't be your main source of income, for obvious reasons, this is a site that can go down any moment, it's not ebay.
3)Stop comparing SR with the real world and how service should correlate the magnitude of this place blah blah. This isnt real world.
4) STOP making new threads.

You are free to leave and create a new marketplace. It would be better for all of us if we had more options but whining on the forums is pointless
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: Errl_Kushman on November 15, 2012, 02:01 pm
Because DPR offers something that you can't get anywhere else(although this outage may change that) I think people around here accept what would not be accepted anywhere else.
We all know that DPR is taking in an ever growing amount of profits from SR. Order of magnitude more than the amount that would best correlate to service/features provided in the real world.
He is going to be set for life from this community, we deserve better than this, I'm sorry if this pisses off some, but if we keep being okay with crap, we are going to continue to get crap.
THIS LENGTH OF OUTAGE IS UNACCEPTABLE. Invest more of those profits.

I am a vendor, this is my only source of income....

I should backup my reasoning a bit more. If you're a vendor, I'd be far more inclinded to agree if you posted from that account. Someone with some "clout", a big vendor for instance might have his gripes looked at a bit closer. Shill accounts hold zero credibility or respect.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: letsgetreal on November 15, 2012, 02:07 pm
1)More money doesn't mean faster TOR. Also he can't just hire people you know.
2)SR shouldn't be your main source of income, for obvious reasons, this is a site that can go down any moment, it's not ebay.
3)Stop comparing SR with the real world and how service should correlate the magnitude of this place blah blah. This isnt real world.
4) STOP making new threads.

You are free to leave and create a new marketplace. It would be better for all of us if we had more options but whining on the forums is pointless

1) I am not asking for faster, I would like to be able to login and conduct business
2) Successful vendor cannot be done part time
3) So you think we all are getting what we are paying for? Collectively we all have paid at least one million, approaching two million for this site...at least.
4) I will make as many threads as I like, newbie
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: letsgetreal on November 15, 2012, 02:10 pm
Because DPR offers something that you can't get anywhere else(although this outage may change that) I think people around here accept what would not be accepted anywhere else.
We all know that DPR is taking in an ever growing amount of profits from SR. Order of magnitude more than the amount that would best correlate to service/features provided in the real world.
He is going to be set for life from this community, we deserve better than this, I'm sorry if this pisses off some, but if we keep being okay with crap, we are going to continue to get crap.
THIS LENGTH OF OUTAGE IS UNACCEPTABLE. Invest more of those profits.

I am a vendor, this is my only source of income....

I should backup my reasoning a bit more. If you're a vendor, I'd be far more inclinded to agree if you posted from that account. Someone with some "clout", a big vendor for instance might have his gripes looked at a bit closer. Shill accounts hold zero credibility or respect.

I will take my chance on how much credibility people give this post, I won't take a chance on the potential blowback.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: shitwassocash on November 15, 2012, 02:11 pm
I agree with OP to some extent. I don't believe we are necessarily entitled to uninterrupted, perfect service from Silk Road, but given the amount of money we have put into this site, we do deserve more than what DPR and his team are giving us right now. Some of us can't afford to wait with blind faith. We have a lot business in SR and we need to know what's going on so we can make decisions. Obviously specifics can't be given, but leaving us in the dark like this is unacceptable, and we shouldn't quietly tolerate it.

People trying to shut complainers up make no sense to me. For one, we have a right to complain and we're free to do so. We complain in the hopes it'll put a fire up admin ass to change the way this is being handled. Two, the finger waggers are taking up just as much space and resources with their pointless threads calling complainers out.


Writing from my real account. CAUSE FUCK IT.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: letsgetreal on November 15, 2012, 02:18 pm
I agree with OP to some extent. I don't believe we are necessarily entitled to uninterrupted, perfect service from Silk Road, but given the amount of money we have put into this site, we do deserve more than what DPR and his team are giving us right now. Some of us can't afford to wait with blind faith. We have a lot business in SR and we need to know what's going on so we can make decisions. Obviously specifics can't be given, but leaving us in the dark like this is unacceptable, and we shouldn't quietly tolerate it.

People trying to shut complainers up make no sense to me. For one, we have a right to complain and we're free to do so. We complain in the hopes it'll put a fire up admin ass to change the way this is being handled. Two, the finger waggers are taking up just as much space and resources with their pointless threads calling complainers out.


Writing from my real account. CAUSE FUCK IT.

Not to mention estimates on DPR's current income from SR is $6000/DAY
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: Goldust on November 15, 2012, 02:18 pm
Because DPR offers something that you can't get anywhere else(although this outage may change that) I think people around here accept what would not be accepted anywhere else.
We all know that DPR is taking in an ever growing amount of profits from SR. Order of magnitude more than the amount that would best correlate to service/features provided in the real world.
He is going to be set for life from this community, we deserve better than this, I'm sorry if this pisses off some, but if we keep being okay with crap, we are going to continue to get crap.
THIS LENGTH OF OUTAGE IS UNACCEPTABLE. Invest more of those profits.

I am a vendor, this is my only source of income....

If DPR was trying to keep all deposits made into SR and scam everyone then why were we able to withdraw our balance last night?

I'm sure all of these conspiracy theories are far from the truth. Just be patient and hopefully DPR can sort the issues out. These conspiracy theories are causing the community to crumble.

Goldust
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: Errl_Kushman on November 15, 2012, 02:20 pm
I agree with OP to some extent. I don't believe we are necessarily entitled to uninterrupted, perfect service from Silk Road, but given the amount of money we have put into this site, we do deserve more than what DPR and his team are giving us right now. Some of us can't afford to wait with blind faith. We have a lot business in SR and we need to know what's going on so we can make decisions. Obviously specifics can't be given, but leaving us in the dark like this is unacceptable, and we shouldn't quietly tolerate it.

People trying to shut complainers up make no sense to me. For one, we have a right to complain and we're free to do so. We complain in the hopes it'll put a fire up admin ass to change the way this is being handled. Two, the finger waggers are taking up just as much space and resources with their pointless threads calling complainers out.


Writing from my real account. CAUSE FUCK IT.

+1 for posting from your real account.

I do agree that it seems we are being left somewhat in the dark. I think if DPR came on and said 'hey, we're down because of this problem, this problem and this problem", fewer people would be complaining.

Possibly there are some security reasons for leaving everyone in the dark but, a vague description of the problem, whats causing the problem and a planned course of action would settle a lot of nerves.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: letsgetreal on November 15, 2012, 02:22 pm
Because DPR offers something that you can't get anywhere else(although this outage may change that) I think people around here accept what would not be accepted anywhere else.
We all know that DPR is taking in an ever growing amount of profits from SR. Order of magnitude more than the amount that would best correlate to service/features provided in the real world.
He is going to be set for life from this community, we deserve better than this, I'm sorry if this pisses off some, but if we keep being okay with crap, we are going to continue to get crap.
THIS LENGTH OF OUTAGE IS UNACCEPTABLE. Invest more of those profits.

I am a vendor, this is my only source of income....

If DPR was trying to keep all deposits made into SR and scam everyone then why were we able to withdraw our balance last night?

I'm sure all of these conspiracy theories are far from the truth. Just be patient and hopefully DPR can sort the issues out. These conspiracy theories are causing the community to crumble.

Goldust

I am not suggesting or implying any type of scam, I am very confident that nothing like that is happening. I am only saying that we should expect and deserve more for the money someone is making off us...
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: USAShroomzz on November 15, 2012, 02:28 pm
In 6 months DPR has made over 6k in commission just from me.  I know the kind of people DPR is.  He is most likely a talented 24-30 yr old guy, has a degree in a computer science field but probably can't find work because he has some social anxiety issues.  He is a whiz at coding, but he can't find enough people/servers he trusts to really get things going smoothly as a team.

So yeah he is loaded with dough, but what can he do with it until he figures out a solution.  Personally I feel the 'day and a half away for vacation to come back to everything in a mess' was just an excuse to quell panic, but I'd do the same thing in the same situation.  DPR needs time and experience to link up with other trusted persons that can expand the servers.

Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: Goldust on November 15, 2012, 02:28 pm
Your right and we certainly deserve an update from DPR.

Goldust
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: yamumsapagan on November 15, 2012, 02:31 pm
2 reliable things I have found, got my stuff in 24hrs which is crazy,

http://2s5tloxulkn2hwe3.onion


and another just trying to find address again but its basically a hidden market where all can trade again. Whether it actually works is another thing.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: jagfug on November 15, 2012, 02:36 pm
Just a "buyer" looking at this here. One good point made was this shouldn't be your only source of income. (no neighbors who do drugs where you live?).

But seriously, and I'm happy to hear a "Fuck off". Without us buyers there would be no dealers like you!

Oh excuse me, I meant "Vendors" - sounds so much more reputable. You're the dealer, I'm the addict.

Don't put all your eggs in one basket, I believe is the proper saying for you here.

This is how they run their site. You can complain, sure. Won't do much good.

Also there is another site on TOR exactly like this, and I found it yesterday while waiting. I saw many familiar sellers on there. - I know, some claim it's somebody else using their name.

One guy admitted to me, he was the same guy, because he had to sell, and selling he was. I knew it was the same guy because we had done business before, and only he could know certain details.

So this isn't the only game in town.

Black Market Reloaded go check it out!  5onwnspjvuk7cwvk.onion/index.php - They give you the same guarantees as here. NONE !

I hope it all comes back, and believe it will. These unrealistic expectations show just how "too comfortable" we have gotten, each in our own way. Happens with everything.

Wait till the power grid goes out in your country for a week. How soon till there are shootings at supermarkets???

Hang in there man. We'll all get through this.

I hope!

You may expect this, and feel you "deserve" that. - Call your department of consumer affairs, or another great bureaucratic agency created by an ever growing government ruining our country (sorry, still feeling the pain from the Obama win here in what used to be the USA.)
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: letsgetreal on November 15, 2012, 02:54 pm
Just a "buyer" looking at this here. One good point made was this shouldn't be your only source of income. (no neighbors who do drugs where you live?).

But seriously, and I'm happy to hear a "Fuck off". Without us buyers there would be no dealers like you!

Oh excuse me, I meant "Vendors" - sounds so much more reputable. You're the dealer, I'm the addict.

Don't put all your eggs in one basket, I believe is the proper saying for you here.

This is how they run their site. You can complain, sure. Won't do much good.

Also there is another site on TOR exactly like this, and I found it yesterday while waiting. I saw many familiar sellers on there. - I know, some claim it's somebody else using their name.

One guy admitted to me, he was the same guy, because he had to sell, and selling he was. I knew it was the same guy because we had done business before, and only he could know certain details.

So this isn't the only game in town.

Black Market Reloaded go check it out!  5onwnspjvuk7cwvk.onion/index.php - They give you the same guarantees as here. NONE !

I hope it all comes back, and believe it will. These unrealistic expectations show just how "too comfortable" we have gotten, each in our own way. Happens with everything.

Wait till the power grid goes out in your country for a week. How soon till there are shootings at supermarkets???

Hang in there man. We'll all get through this.

I hope!

You may expect this, and feel you "deserve" that. - Call your department of consumer affairs, or another great bureaucratic agency created by an ever growing government ruining our country (sorry, still feeling the pain from the Obama win here in what used to be the USA.)

This is why our country is so fucked, right now, attitudes like this. Accept everything, complain about nothing because your just a little guy that can't do anything anyway. Keep drinking that kool aid, errrr fluoride.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: NotMe123 on November 15, 2012, 02:55 pm
am i silly to think that this delay could be because DPR might need to fly from one country to another to turn servers on or fix something because he cann't connect remotely?
i couldn't imagine he would trust to many people with that info.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: letsgetreal on November 15, 2012, 02:59 pm
am i silly to think that this delay could be because DPR might need to fly from one country to another to turn servers on or fix something because he cann't connect remotely?
i couldn't imagine he would trust to many people with that info.

YES, that is silly!!
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: springseed23 on November 15, 2012, 03:04 pm
Because DPR offers something that you can't get anywhere else(although this outage may change that) I think people around here accept what would not be accepted anywhere else.
We all know that DPR is taking in an ever growing amount of profits from SR. Order of magnitude more than the amount that would best correlate to service/features provided in the real world.
He is going to be set for life from this community, we deserve better than this, I'm sorry if this pisses off some, but if we keep being okay with crap, we are going to continue to get crap.
THIS LENGTH OF OUTAGE IS UNACCEPTABLE. Invest more of those profits.

I am a vendor, this is my only source of income....

So your pissed at DPR cause you can not make a living.   WTF.......So your mad at the guy who makes your living possible.   

What the fuck did you do before SR----Food stamps.     Fucking ingrate.   why dont you thank DPR for helping you live----if his service is the only way you can pay for your life!!!

So sad
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: whitenissan on November 15, 2012, 03:07 pm
Sure DPR brings in a lot of money from this, but what were you doing before you discovered this website. What would you be doing without it? This site is a freedom not a right, really if DPR really wanted to take the site down and fuck off with all the money he could. But the fact that this hasn't happened shows he cares about his users. Now if you're a vendor on here, complaining about the downtime sure this is somewhat understandable. But downtime is downtime, and this downtime was supposed to be because of all the new members. Be that vendors or buyers. So here's a simple solution to any of you that feel the need to cry about this, as SR is currently the best anonymous market. If you know how to use tor, and access silkroad you know how to make an onion site. So go, ahead and make your vendor site so when there is downtime buyers can buy off of their known vendors. It really wouldn't be all that hard to create a "downtime site" would it? But since making a site to handle a lot of traffic (such as the traffic on silk road) you need some proper equipment. So just set up a simple page, just with your vendor information and what you have for sale. Update during downtimes, link here. problem solved??

As I said DPR is trying to bring us something that has really never been done before, he must protect his own ass along with ours. Ever try updating a website on a proxy? it's not the fastest thing in the world to do ;) Think of how hard it would be to get your website up and running while trying to be completely anonymous, for all he knows someone could've been watching the server for every little update.

Also, you're a vendor. Once again this website is a complete freedom, this is something which has never been done before. I don't think you understand what sort of website you're on here, this isn't clearnet. At any point he can take off with every penny in your account, why doesn't he? I assume it's because he has ethics, or just likes money. but with all this being said, print off a resume, and go for a walk. You're trusting your entire income on a very unstable currency and marketplace, that's a huge mistake. Inflation is inflation, and one day it'll all come toppling down. And if you ever forget that, you'll go down with it.

When everything is said and done, I and many other users would like to thank DPR for the amazing service he has provided us with. Some people act like he needs to attend to all of your concerns, come on guys look at what you're doing. You're selling drugs on the internet, and you're worried about a bit of downtime? Get a hold of yourself and re-evaluate your life, don't trust your financial security on something so unstable without 100g backup in your bank.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: jagfug on November 15, 2012, 03:23 pm
Just a "buyer" looking at this here. One good point made was this shouldn't be your only source of income. (no neighbors who do drugs where you live?).

But seriously, and I'm happy to hear a "Fuck off". Without us buyers there would be no dealers like you!

Oh excuse me, I meant "Vendors" - sounds so much more reputable. You're the dealer, I'm the addict.

Don't put all your eggs in one basket, I believe is the proper saying for you here.

This is how they run their site. You can complain, sure. Won't do much good.

Also there is another site on TOR exactly like this, and I found it yesterday while waiting. I saw many familiar sellers on there. - I know, some claim it's somebody else using their name.

One guy admitted to me, he was the same guy, because he had to sell, and selling he was. I knew it was the same guy because we had done business before, and only he could know certain details.

So this isn't the only game in town.

Black Market Reloaded go check it out!  5onwnspjvuk7cwvk.onion/index.php - They give you the same guarantees as here. NONE !

I hope it all comes back, and believe it will. These unrealistic expectations show just how "too comfortable" we have gotten, each in our own way. Happens with everything.

Wait till the power grid goes out in your country for a week. How soon till there are shootings at supermarkets???

Hang in there man. We'll all get through this.

I hope!

You may expect this, and feel you "deserve" that. - Call your department of consumer affairs, or another great bureaucratic agency created by an ever growing government ruining our country (sorry, still feeling the pain from the Obama win here in what used to be the USA.)

This is why our country is so fucked, right now, attitudes like this. Accept everything, complain about nothing because your just a little guy that can't do anything anyway. Keep drinking that kool aid, errrr fluoride.

So, wait, our country is fucked? Because there aren't enough whiners and complainers??? Victims??? Obama found enough, to get re-elected. - I always thought of this site as a "libertarian" alternative to the increasingly overly regulated government bureaucracy called the USA.  Difference of opinions I guess. - That's OK, we're supposed to have free speech. See how long that lasts.

Talk about going off topic. - My apologies for starting that political squabble.

PS There is no data to backup the flouride theory. You find it, please let me know. I did grow up in with fluoridated water on Long Island, and got used to great teeth and many intelligent people.
Then I moved upstate, and found people with shitty teeth and even emptier minds. Mostly Obama supporters. LOL
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: whitenissan on November 15, 2012, 03:29 pm
Just a "buyer" looking at this here. One good point made was this shouldn't be your only source of income. (no neighbors who do drugs where you live?).

But seriously, and I'm happy to hear a "Fuck off". Without us buyers there would be no dealers like you!

Oh excuse me, I meant "Vendors" - sounds so much more reputable. You're the dealer, I'm the addict.

Don't put all your eggs in one basket, I believe is the proper saying for you here.

This is how they run their site. You can complain, sure. Won't do much good.

Also there is another site on TOR exactly like this, and I found it yesterday while waiting. I saw many familiar sellers on there. - I know, some claim it's somebody else using their name.

One guy admitted to me, he was the same guy, because he had to sell, and selling he was. I knew it was the same guy because we had done business before, and only he could know certain details.

So this isn't the only game in town.

Black Market Reloaded go check it out!  5onwnspjvuk7cwvk.onion/index.php - They give you the same guarantees as here. NONE !

I hope it all comes back, and believe it will. These unrealistic expectations show just how "too comfortable" we have gotten, each in our own way. Happens with everything.

Wait till the power grid goes out in your country for a week. How soon till there are shootings at supermarkets???

Hang in there man. We'll all get through this.

I hope!

You may expect this, and feel you "deserve" that. - Call your department of consumer affairs, or another great bureaucratic agency created by an ever growing government ruining our country (sorry, still feeling the pain from the Obama win here in what used to be the USA.)

This is why our country is so fucked, right now, attitudes like this. Accept everything, complain about nothing because your just a little guy that can't do anything anyway. Keep drinking that kool aid, errrr fluoride.

So, wait, our country is fucked? Because there aren't enough whiners and complainers??? Victims??? Obama found enough, to get re-elected. - I always thought of this site as a "libertarian" alternative to the increasingly overly regulated government bureaucracy called the USA.  Difference of opinions I guess. - That's OK, we're supposed to have free speech. See how long that lasts.

Talk about going off topic. - My apologies for starting that political squabble.

PS There is no data to backup the flouride theory. You find it, please let me know. I did grow up in with fluoridated water on Long Island, and got used to great teeth and many intelligent people.
Then I moved upstate, and found people with shitty teeth and even emptier minds. Mostly Obama supporters. LOL

I've always thought that it's funny when I see people saying "our country" on this site, this website has people from so many different countries why does everyone always thing they're in the same one? lol
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: jeffsandwich on November 15, 2012, 03:52 pm
Oh no!  Someone offering a unique service is making MONEY on it?! 

It's hardly fair to misunderstand the technologies at play, realize they're the largest hidden network, and demand speedy, timely results. 

It's difficult growing pains.  Yes, you make money at this, and so does DPR as you've already state.  What person making money in this whole process, would INTENTIONALLY allow for any more downtime than absolutely necessary?  He wants to make money just as badly as you, but he makes more per hour than you.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: letsgetreal on November 15, 2012, 03:54 pm
Sure DPR brings in a lot of money from this, but what were you doing before you discovered this website. What would you be doing without it? This site is a freedom not a right, really if DPR really wanted to take the site down and fuck off with all the money he could. But the fact that this hasn't happened shows he cares about his users. Now if you're a vendor on here, complaining about the downtime sure this is somewhat understandable. But downtime is downtime, and this downtime was supposed to be because of all the new members. Be that vendors or buyers. So here's a simple solution to any of you that feel the need to cry about this, as SR is currently the best anonymous market. If you know how to use tor, and access silkroad you know how to make an onion site. So go, ahead and make your vendor site so when there is downtime buyers can buy off of their known vendors. It really wouldn't be all that hard to create a "downtime site" would it? But since making a site to handle a lot of traffic (such as the traffic on silk road) you need some proper equipment. So just set up a simple page, just with your vendor information and what you have for sale. Update during downtimes, link here. problem solved??

As I said DPR is trying to bring us something that has really never been done before, he must protect his own ass along with ours. Ever try updating a website on a proxy? it's not the fastest thing in the world to do ;) Think of how hard it would be to get your website up and running while trying to be completely anonymous, for all he knows someone could've been watching the server for every little update.

Also, you're a vendor. Once again this website is a complete freedom, this is something which has never been done before. I don't think you understand what sort of website you're on here, this isn't clearnet. At any point he can take off with every penny in your account, why doesn't he? I assume it's because he has ethics, or just likes money. but with all this being said, print off a resume, and go for a walk. You're trusting your entire income on a very unstable currency and marketplace, that's a huge mistake. Inflation is inflation, and one day it'll all come toppling down. And if you ever forget that, you'll go down with it.

When everything is said and done, I and many other users would like to thank DPR for the amazing service he has provided us with. Some people act like he needs to attend to all of your concerns, come on guys look at what you're doing. You're selling drugs on the internet, and you're worried about a bit of downtime? Get a hold of yourself and re-evaluate your life, don't trust your financial security on something so unstable without 100g backup in your bank.

Thanks to this site I do have $100g backup and I am grateful for it and DPR, which is why it is such an issue for me to be down for a week. This is where we differ, for me this is a business, for you it is where you get your next fix, which is why you have idolized DPR and come to his defense. He should be praised and defended on several levels, QOS is not one of them, unfortunately.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: breastimus2 on November 15, 2012, 03:55 pm
Because DPR offers something that you can't get anywhere else(although this outage may change that) I think people around here accept what would not be accepted anywhere else.
We all know that DPR is taking in an ever growing amount of profits from SR. Order of magnitude more than the amount that would best correlate to service/features provided in the real world.
He is going to be set for life from this community, we deserve better than this, I'm sorry if this pisses off some, but if we keep being okay with crap, we are going to continue to get crap.
THIS LENGTH OF OUTAGE IS UNACCEPTABLE. Invest more of those profits.

I am a vendor, this is my only source of income....

Lame shill acct. Post from your real acct and i'll retract calling you a fag.

Personally I don't give a crap what account he's posting from, the guys got a point. I mean, come the fuck on...A whole week this shit's been down with up time just enough so people deposit some money. OP is right, this isn't some blog DPR is running. People have lots of money invested and tied up all rely on SR being up. He charges for vendor accounts, he has money. I mean the least they can do is keep users much better informed and in the loop. Like I've said, the DPR advocates are becoming minority.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: bigdaddy5150 on November 15, 2012, 04:07 pm
Sure DPR brings in a lot of money from this, but what were you doing before you discovered this website. What would you be doing without it? This site is a freedom not a right, really if DPR really wanted to take the site down and fuck off with all the money he could. But the fact that this hasn't happened shows he cares about his users. Now if you're a vendor on here, complaining about the downtime sure this is somewhat understandable. But downtime is downtime, and this downtime was supposed to be because of all the new members. Be that vendors or buyers. So here's a simple solution to any of you that feel the need to cry about this, as SR is currently the best anonymous market. If you know how to use tor, and access silkroad you know how to make an onion site. So go, ahead and make your vendor site so when there is downtime buyers can buy off of their known vendors. It really wouldn't be all that hard to create a "downtime site" would it? But since making a site to handle a lot of traffic (such as the traffic on silk road) you need some proper equipment. So just set up a simple page, just with your vendor information and what you have for sale. Update during downtimes, link here. problem solved??

As I said DPR is trying to bring us something that has really never been done before, he must protect his own ass along with ours. Ever try updating a website on a proxy? it's not the fastest thing in the world to do ;) Think of how hard it would be to get your website up and running while trying to be completely anonymous, for all he knows someone could've been watching the server for every little update.

Also, you're a vendor. Once again this website is a complete freedom, this is something which has never been done before. I don't think you understand what sort of website you're on here, this isn't clearnet. At any point he can take off with every penny in your account, why doesn't he? I assume it's because he has ethics, or just likes money. but with all this being said, print off a resume, and go for a walk. You're trusting your entire income on a very unstable currency and marketplace, that's a huge mistake. Inflation is inflation, and one day it'll all come toppling down. And if you ever forget that, you'll go down with it.

When everything is said and done, I and many other users would like to thank DPR for the amazing service he has provided us with. Some people act like he needs to attend to all of your concerns, come on guys look at what you're doing. You're selling drugs on the internet, and you're worried about a bit of downtime? Get a hold of yourself and re-evaluate your life, don't trust your financial security on something so unstable without 100g backup in your bank.

This is explicitly in violation of the SR vendors' agreement, but considering the amount of credibility that DPR is losing over this outage it may not matter to some vendors.

Pot2Peer did this when he was a vendor. He created his own onion site and started secretly telling his customers to buy from him there so he wouldn't have to pay commission. He got banned.

I realize that some vendors probably don't care about getting banned, since some of them are convinced the Road is down for good, but that's why more people don't do it already.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: whitenissan on November 15, 2012, 05:47 pm
Sure DPR brings in a lot of money from this, but what were you doing before you discovered this website. What would you be doing without it? This site is a freedom not a right, really if DPR really wanted to take the site down and fuck off with all the money he could. But the fact that this hasn't happened shows he cares about his users. Now if you're a vendor on here, complaining about the downtime sure this is somewhat understandable. But downtime is downtime, and this downtime was supposed to be because of all the new members. Be that vendors or buyers. So here's a simple solution to any of you that feel the need to cry about this, as SR is currently the best anonymous market. If you know how to use tor, and access silkroad you know how to make an onion site. So go, ahead and make your vendor site so when there is downtime buyers can buy off of their known vendors. It really wouldn't be all that hard to create a "downtime site" would it? But since making a site to handle a lot of traffic (such as the traffic on silk road) you need some proper equipment. So just set up a simple page, just with your vendor information and what you have for sale. Update during downtimes, link here. problem solved??

As I said DPR is trying to bring us something that has really never been done before, he must protect his own ass along with ours. Ever try updating a website on a proxy? it's not the fastest thing in the world to do ;) Think of how hard it would be to get your website up and running while trying to be completely anonymous, for all he knows someone could've been watching the server for every little update.

Also, you're a vendor. Once again this website is a complete freedom, this is something which has never been done before. I don't think you understand what sort of website you're on here, this isn't clearnet. At any point he can take off with every penny in your account, why doesn't he? I assume it's because he has ethics, or just likes money. but with all this being said, print off a resume, and go for a walk. You're trusting your entire income on a very unstable currency and marketplace, that's a huge mistake. Inflation is inflation, and one day it'll all come toppling down. And if you ever forget that, you'll go down with it.

When everything is said and done, I and many other users would like to thank DPR for the amazing service he has provided us with. Some people act like he needs to attend to all of your concerns, come on guys look at what you're doing. You're selling drugs on the internet, and you're worried about a bit of downtime? Get a hold of yourself and re-evaluate your life, don't trust your financial security on something so unstable without 100g backup in your bank.

Thanks to this site I do have $100g backup and I am grateful for it and DPR, which is why it is such an issue for me to be down for a week. This is where we differ, for me this is a business, for you it is where you get your next fix, which is why you have idolized DPR and come to his defense. He should be praised and defended on several levels, QOS is not one of them, unfortunately.

No, This is where we differ. I work full time, and spend a very small fraction on recreational use. While you make all your money off selling drugs, and then complain when things get a little different. While you're sitting there refreshing the page, relying on a completely unstable market/currency. I'm out working 60-100 hours a week to make my money, and it comes in every week, I don't have to rely on someone else ;) what you're doing right now is relying on a few site administrators and a made up currency to keep your life financed. The other places we differ, Is I was going to be a computer programmer, and I know what is required to build a website like this. It's not even a walk in the park on the clearweb, nevermind here.  "which is why you have idolized DPR" I do not idolize DPR, However he is a very intelligent, very rich man. I promise you he made more money this year then you will probably ever see.

All this being said, you're a vendor, and like some other vendors you're feeling like you're on top of the world #1 awesome guy because you found a great way to make some good cash. And it's safe! But you can't base your life around something like that, I don't even know why anyone would want to put themselves in that situation in the first place. If SR is your only Income, you lack what most people call common sense, and will find out soon when everything comes crashing down on you.

Come on, let's get real and grow the fuck up. You would have more financial stability selling drugs on the street corner, the reason i'm not a vendor? Because i'm scared of watching the price of the bitcoin plummet the day I withdraw. You're playing a game of chance sir, you might aswell be gambling. Reality check, you're in this business on the internet, there's nothing you can do when you lose it all. You can argue with me as long as you would like, it's not going to change how things are. Until you make a site, or you find your own way around the downtime, you're stuck relying on DPR, so you better get on your knees and maybe he'll try and help ya out.  He cannot hire people, who the fuck would you trust with that if you were him? get yourself together and get some common sense.

And lastly
Sure DPR brings in a lot of money from this, but what were you doing before you discovered this website. What would you be doing without it? This site is a freedom not a right, really if DPR really wanted to take the site down and fuck off with all the money he could. But the fact that this hasn't happened shows he cares about his users. Now if you're a vendor on here, complaining about the downtime sure this is somewhat understandable. But downtime is downtime, and this downtime was supposed to be because of all the new members. Be that vendors or buyers. So here's a simple solution to any of you that feel the need to cry about this, as SR is currently the best anonymous market. If you know how to use tor, and access silkroad you know how to make an onion site. So go, ahead and make your vendor site so when there is downtime buyers can buy off of their known vendors. It really wouldn't be all that hard to create a "downtime site" would it? But since making a site to handle a lot of traffic (such as the traffic on silk road) you need some proper equipment. So just set up a simple page, just with your vendor information and what you have for sale. Update during downtimes, link here. problem solved??

As I said DPR is trying to bring us something that has really never been done before, he must protect his own ass along with ours. Ever try updating a website on a proxy? it's not the fastest thing in the world to do ;) Think of how hard it would be to get your website up and running while trying to be completely anonymous, for all he knows someone could've been watching the server for every little update.

Also, you're a vendor. Once again this website is a complete freedom, this is something which has never been done before. I don't think you understand what sort of website you're on here, this isn't clearnet. At any point he can take off with every penny in your account, why doesn't he? I assume it's because he has ethics, or just likes money. but with all this being said, print off a resume, and go for a walk. You're trusting your entire income on a very unstable currency and marketplace, that's a huge mistake. Inflation is inflation, and one day it'll all come toppling down. And if you ever forget that, you'll go down with it.

When everything is said and done, I and many other users would like to thank DPR for the amazing service he has provided us with. Some people act like he needs to attend to all of your concerns, come on guys look at what you're doing. You're selling drugs on the internet, and you're worried about a bit of downtime? Get a hold of yourself and re-evaluate your life, don't trust your financial security on something so unstable without 100g backup in your bank.

This is explicitly in violation of the SR vendors' agreement, but considering the amount of credibility that DPR is losing over this outage it may not matter to some vendors.

Pot2Peer did this when he was a vendor. He created his own onion site and started secretly telling his customers to buy from him there so he wouldn't have to pay commission. He got banned.

I realize that some vendors probably don't care about getting banned, since some of them are convinced the Road is down for good, but that's why more people don't do it already.
Alright, i'm not a vendor so I wasn't aware of this. I was just speaking of using the site for downtime, but i see how that could be abused.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: cynicalalien on November 15, 2012, 06:06 pm
 ;D ;D   I'd trust DPR with my dough  ;D ;D


If you don't like the SR, how it's run, it's special (and sometime frustrating) idiosyncrasies, who makes money and how much.......... then MOVE ALONG sheila.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: godness420 on November 15, 2012, 06:24 pm
Because DPR offers something that you can't get anywhere else(although this outage may change that) I think people around here accept what would not be accepted anywhere else.
We all know that DPR is taking in an ever growing amount of profits from SR. Order of magnitude more than the amount that would best correlate to service/features provided in the real world.
He is going to be set for life from this community, we deserve better than this, I'm sorry if this pisses off some, but if we keep being okay with crap, we are going to continue to get crap.
THIS LENGTH OF OUTAGE IS UNACCEPTABLE. Invest more of those profits.

I am a vendor, this is my only source of income....

we deserve better? and why do you think that we can get better? maybe he have  to buy some better servers, wtvr, i dont understand how SR is hosted, but he is working to put the site back on, dont complain.

Why dont you all fucking kids with your piss boner create your own SR and stfu and gtfo?
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: hubbly on November 15, 2012, 06:31 pm
If DPR got busted for creating this site, he would probably be extradited to the US/EU or just arrested in whatever country he is in and probably get life in prison.  He is taking a risk like everyone else here is, and should be compensated for it.  He charges a fee for this, which is only fair and has made all the vendors here quite a bit of money.  Some shit came up with the site, who the fuck knows what and either it gets fixed or it doesn't.

And to the vendors bitching, have you ever actually sold drugs on the street?  Its a lot more dangerous than it is here for many different reasons (law enforcement, people trying to rob you, people trying to rat you out to reduce their sentence, etc.)  Its also impossible to network with anywhere near this many people.  Silk Road going down is the cost of doing business, as is getting robbed, busted, etc.  If you want some security get a legal job.  I know if I was in a situation that I could get busted I wouldn't pop my head up, and I sure as fuck wouldn't if me getting busted probably meant life imprisonment.  So everyone really needs to chill the fuck out and just wait and see.  In the meantime, find another board to vend on.  If SR goes down there will be people looking for a new place to call home, and the new boards will grow.  Be proactive instead of complaining.
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: JezuzWazaMushroom on November 15, 2012, 06:43 pm
Well I deposited 150 BTC while the power was out on the site, it sat in my SR address until yesterday (or the day before) and was then sent to some account I've never seen or heard of. When I logged back in finally my account history has been deleted except the last withdrawal I made on the 3rd before it went down. I also, for experiments sake, deposited a measly amount in my account now while it's back just to see and that went through no problem.

When SR support contacted me, within 9 minutes I had messaged back, TWICE, with all the details with regards to what happened and all the relevant details and still nothing in my account, no emails from SR and now the site's gone AWOL.

I wish I knew it was down before I wired those coins, but even still you would imagine once it's back up, and you can clearly see the actions of the blockchain info that your money's there, imagine gow I felt to like in and fine .99c in my account.

I'll leave it for you to decide what's up with that....

Because DPR offers something that you can't get anywhere else(although this outage may change that) I think people around here accept what would not be accepted anywhere else.
We all know that DPR is taking in an ever growing amount of profits from SR. Order of magnitude more than the amount that would best correlate to service/features provided in the real world.
He is going to be set for life from this community, we deserve better than this, I'm sorry if this pisses off some, but if we keep being okay with crap, we are going to continue to get crap.
THIS LENGTH OF OUTAGE IS UNACCEPTABLE. Invest more of those profits.

I am a vendor, this is my only source of income....

If DPR was trying to keep all deposits made into SR and scam everyone then why were we able to withdraw our balance last night?

I'm sure all of these conspiracy theories are far from the truth. Just be patient and hopefully DPR can sort the issues out. These conspiracy theories are causing the community to crumble.

Goldust
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: davebowman on November 15, 2012, 08:12 pm
I would like to point out that Dread Pirate Roberts is probably more than one person. My reasoning is that the fictional character Dread Pirate Roberts is more than one person. I quote Wikipedia:

"It is revealed during the course of the story that Roberts is not one man, but a series of individuals who periodically pass the name and reputation to a chosen successor. Everyone except the successor and the former Roberts is then released at a convenient port, and a new crew is hired. The former Roberts stays aboard as first mate, referring to his successor as "Captain Roberts", and thereby establishing the new Roberts' persona. After the crew is convinced, the former Roberts leaves the ship and retires on his earnings."

Also, it is probable that more than one person is responsible for the operations of this website as it seems like a lot of work. It seems silly to me to refer to DPR as some sort of hero christ figure who will save us from this hell of not being able to log on to silk road all the time. Also, he is probably not one person who is making millions and sitting around on his ass all day using silk road for personal passive income.

Regardless, I think the silk road is a great idea. I think there is a lot of passion for liberty amongst these people and I hope everything goes back to normal soon. Who knows what the fuck is going on? Maybe this is all building up to a surprise where we all log back in and DPR has credited everyone's account with ten bitcoins as a gift and he says merry christmas everyone!
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: jeffsandwich on November 15, 2012, 09:08 pm
I would like to point out that Dread Pirate Roberts is probably more than one person. My reasoning is that the fictional character Dread Pirate Roberts is more than one person. I quote Wikipedia:

"It is revealed during the course of the story that Roberts is not one man, but a series of individuals who periodically pass the name and reputation to a chosen successor. Everyone except the successor and the former Roberts is then released at a convenient port, and a new crew is hired. The former Roberts stays aboard as first mate, referring to his successor as "Captain Roberts", and thereby establishing the new Roberts' persona. After the crew is convinced, the former Roberts leaves the ship and retires on his earnings."

Also, it is probable that more than one person is responsible for the operations of this website as it seems like a lot of work. It seems silly to me to refer to DPR as some sort of hero christ figure who will save us from this hell of not being able to log on to silk road all the time. Also, he is probably not one person who is making millions and sitting around on his ass all day using silk road for personal passive income.

Regardless, I think the silk road is a great idea. I think there is a lot of passion for liberty amongst these people and I hope everything goes back to normal soon. Who knows what the fuck is going on? Maybe this is all building up to a surprise where we all log back in and DPR has credited everyone's account with ten bitcoins as a gift and he says merry christmas everyone!

You're fuckin awesome!  I had contemplated DPR being a variable, multiperson persona (which makes drastically more sense for an organization that's trying to appear nameless and small yet have a rallying voice), good to have some literary references to tie it to.  Intellectualism for the win!
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on November 15, 2012, 09:23 pm
What if:
it costs to buy technology/services to keep SR safe

maybe some people in high places expect something in return..?!

DPR has to trust and depend on a few individuals to do their bit at great personal risk -costs a little

perhaps make SR look like it can make profit to entice trustworthy investors?!

DPR has a game plan to expand which is going to require more outlay?!


If you had idea of what goes on just to keep SR open, would you think its worth the effort or prefer no SR and its back to the streets buying 1/8th of shoe polish?!


Peace
TWM
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: kortneykilledkurt on November 15, 2012, 10:44 pm
I'm not into computers but somebody here said that it's easy (if you are) for vendors to start their own onion site and sell from that.
Well fuck me thats got to be the way to go. Leaving all vendor's on one site with the worlds media attention, worlds LE attention not to mention all those tosser hackers out there completely focused on one site naturally, eventually, one of those hawks will win. like now.
So wouldn't dozens of specialized onion sites for each vendor be a better option?
Whats that say about putting all your eggs in one basket? You don't.


 
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on November 16, 2012, 12:57 am
user sees one SilkRoad website but apparently its "distributed" and can be brought online where needed (its just how i interpret whats been written about the subject dont quote me on it im not a SR spokesman...)

also better to concentrate your efforts securing a single service than duplicating efforts on a dozen different versions of it and who is going to manage all that?!


Peace
Title: Re: DPR takes in HUGE $$$ This is unacceptable.
Post by: comsec on November 16, 2012, 01:37 am
I was a vendor here since day #1 then had enough customers and just went private. I'm positive this is just traffic related outages, and the idiots claiming they are responsible always show up whenever a site goes down. You'll know it's their doing if they actually start blackmailing and provide proof of whatever it is they did. If no proof, they're just scammers.

Tor is not meant for this kind of site. I2p or Freenet yes, but Tor can't handle this kind of traffic unless you have a distributed database (cassandra) and have enough load servers to balance everything out, which I have no idea how to do under Tor. I2p you can do this. If this were my site I'd mirror it on I2p at least to release some of the traffic load, and would have split the main .onion into multiple onions for multiple servers, all connected with distributed db. I assume this is what he is working on and it's failing because Tor is experimental and nobody I know has ever tried distributing up their network on it.

Since DPR is already trusted for escrow, what he should do is concentrate on that while changing the entire format of the site. Right now it's set up like Amazon and is just going to keep needing bigger and more resources until the feds find it or it just dies under it's own load like what's happening now.

Clone this site onto 10 servers around the world that are friendly to tor traffic and then keep your distributed database close to you by either running your own hosting company or even having it in your decoy office space you set up if you have a strong enough connection. You could configure the default .onion to be a massive openbsd switch/router and firewall that simply routes connections to all the other tor servers to prevent being overloaded. You can easily pay an openbsd guy to do this, and not have to tell him what it's for. They can set up the switch and then later you drop in your tor .onion address keys in place of the existing one's.

Alternative is having a main page like torservers.net that lists all your entry points instead of exit points like it does now. When one server is full it simply denies access and gives options for other servers, all connected by cassandra db or some other nosql solution.

Could also just run this entire place on Freenet or GnuNet, but have the database torrified and hidden which is only the important part anyways. If I was making $6k per day there is definitely some people I would hire under a fake company to help me set all this up properly, instead of going it alone which seems what DPR is doing which is too much work, hence endless downtime.

My $0.02