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Title: Don't make a big steroid mistake
Post by: spunjtom on September 05, 2013, 02:13 pm
just wanted to share a little advice for people new to steroids.  comments welcome.

-wash your hands before you inject.  not just a little.  more like a surgeon going into surgery.  lots of germs hide under your fingernails- remember this and act accordingly.

-clean the area you inject with rubbing alcohol.  never hurts to splash it on your hands after you wash them too.  you must be clean.

-don't be stupid with number of compounds or dosage.  don't push it!  stay conservative.  never add more than one new steroid at a time, or you won't know what is causing side effects!  steroids effect you psychologically and this is a fact.  keep the dosage low.

-there are many guys bigger than you who only use test and have only used test their entire juicing periods.  you don't have to load up on everything under the sun to get big.  you have to work out hard and right, eat right, sleep enough, and take care of yourself in every way possible.

-never do any recreational drugs while on steroids.  never.

-never drink alcohol while on steroids.  never, never, ever.

-if you have depression or psychosis or problems with your temper or if you are bipolar, you have no business doing steroids.

-if you are under 18 you should never do steroids.  most people say you should be at least 21 and have 3 years of solid lifting experience and you should already know how to eat and how to work out to grow muscle.  steroids are not miracle drugs.  if you don't know where muscle comes from and how to make it grow bigger, steroids will not change this.

-read up and learn about PCT.  if you don't at least know what clomid and nolvadex are, and how to take them- you are not ready for steroids at all.  stay away.

-if you have high blood pressure steroids are not for you.  steroids will make high blood pressure worse, not better.

-if you are taking steroids as a shortcut to a better body, you will fail.  there is no shortcut.  this does not mean that steroids can not help you reach your goals because they can.  however, nutrition and proper technique will do much more for your physical appearance than steroids will.

if anyone wants to add to this list please do.
Title: Re: Don't make a big steroid mistake
Post by: SeekEnlighten on September 05, 2013, 06:17 pm
Plus they make your PP small
Title: Re: Don't make a big steroid mistake
Post by: johnwholesome on September 05, 2013, 09:42 pm
Good advise +1

Testo will do you just fine. No need to put every deka- nandro- whathaveyou in the mix.

Plus, taper off!!!!!! Again, taper off!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't just pump 1500mg testo into you week after week and then stop abruptly when your ampules run out!!! Slow tapering is where it's at. Give your body time to start producing its own juice again.

Lastly, get your estrogen blockers! You don't wanna have your body up your estrogen like crazy because of the testo onslaught you unleash on it. Remember Bob from Fight Club? Yupp, this is Bob, Bob had bitch tits.

Stay safe...
Title: Re: Don't make a big steroid mistake
Post by: spunjtom on September 06, 2013, 08:52 am
PCT (post cycle therapy) and anti-estrogens are really important!  so true!  as for shrinking your cock, no.  not true at all.  you will have great erections while you are using testosterone.  your balls might shrink a little bit temporarily since they are not making their own testosterone, but that comes back with proper PCT, and rather quickly.
Title: Re: Don't make a big steroid mistake
Post by: DoctorX on September 07, 2013, 07:27 pm
PCT (post cycle therapy) and anti-estrogens are really important!  so true!  as for shrinking your cock, no.  not true at all.  you will have great erections while you are using testosterone.  your balls might shrink a little bit temporarily since they are not making their own testosterone, but that comes back with proper PCT, and rather quickly.

One of the most important things to consider about a steroid cycle is the choice of drug and duration of cycle.In this sense, the quality of most of the information available in Internet is awful. With recreative drugs it is easy to find logical, accurate and reliable information focused in a risk-reduction perspective. But in steroids you will find on the one hand the anti-drug propaganda stating that every use will cause impotence, cancer and madness…but in the other hand a lot of forums showing examples of cycles with strange combinations, very high doses and patterns of use that can have significant toxic or long-time effects. Most of the information is transmitted mouth-by-mouth but does not have a scientific basis.
Some steroids have been studied in clinical trials. These clinical trials can serve as indicative of cycles with reasonable risks. This does not mean that these patterns are 100% sure, but, at least, there are some proofs of its efficacy and security. Testosterone, oxandrolone and nandrolone are the most studied steroids and, from a pharmacological point of view, seem the most sure.
Some studies with reasonable dosing and duration are these:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8970686
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8637535
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16424293
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14578370
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22848006
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10208143
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20974577
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16494628

Gains obtained with these patterns are less dramatic than high doses cycles. But quality and duration of muscle is much better with these dosages. In fact, with high doses most of the weight gained is water that disappears when steroids are finished.
Other important aspect is that problems associated to cycling, like hepatotoxicity, are not frequent in the mentioned studies (only oxandrolone has a mild potential to produce this). So the rule of drugs to protect liver is unnecessary at these dosages and, in high doses, there are no proofs about its efficacy.
The same happens with PCT. Human chorionic gonadothropin has shown efficacy treating infertility, erectile dysfunction and azoospermia in very heavy users of steroids:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9538490
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12801577
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7714991
But there are no proofs that it is useful or necessary in moderate regimes. There are no data showing efficacy of clomiphene or tamoxifen and its role is based in theoretical speculations transmitted mouth by mouth
Title: Re: Don't make a big steroid mistake
Post by: spunjtom on September 08, 2013, 08:49 am
Thanks for all the info, DoctorX!
Title: Re: Don't make a big steroid mistake
Post by: fuckingACE on September 11, 2013, 10:51 pm
just wanted to share a little advice for people new to steroids.  comments welcome.

-wash your hands before you inject.  not just a little.  more like a surgeon going into surgery.  lots of germs hide under your fingernails- remember this and act accordingly.

-clean the area you inject with rubbing alcohol.  never hurts to splash it on your hands after you wash them too.  you must be clean.

-don't be stupid with number of compounds or dosage.  don't push it!  stay conservative.  never add more than one new steroid at a time, or you won't know what is causing side effects!  steroids effect you psychologically and this is a fact.  keep the dosage low.

-there are many guys bigger than you who only use test and have only used test their entire juicing periods.  you don't have to load up on everything under the sun to get big.  you have to work out hard and right, eat right, sleep enough, and take care of yourself in every way possible.

-never do any recreational drugs while on steroids.  never.

-never drink alcohol while on steroids.  never, never, ever.

-if you have depression or psychosis or problems with your temper or if you are bipolar, you have no business doing steroids.

-if you are under 18 you should never do steroids.  most people say you should be at least 21 and have 3 years of solid lifting experience and you should already know how to eat and how to work out to grow muscle.  steroids are not miracle drugs.  if you don't know where muscle comes from and how to make it grow bigger, steroids will not change this.

-read up and learn about PCT.  if you don't at least know what clomid and nolvadex are, and how to take them- you are not ready for steroids at all.  stay away.

-if you have high blood pressure steroids are not for you.  steroids will make high blood pressure worse, not better.

-if you are taking steroids as a shortcut to a better body, you will fail.  there is no shortcut.  this does not mean that steroids can not help you reach your goals because they can.  however, nutrition and proper technique will do much more for your physical appearance than steroids will.

if anyone wants to add to this list please do.
Also research research research before starting any cycle you might want to read up on:
*If you´ve got a receding hairline be careful if you want to keep you hair or look for products that will help offset the loss.
*Do NOT take oral steroids that are metabolized in the liver without having researched the effects and are taking something to help  reduce and repair the damage.
*If you don´t have a high protein diet you are wasting your time, muscle needs to come from what you put in your tum. If you´re only eating crap you wont see gains no matter how much you pump into yourself

ACE
Title: Re: Don't make a big steroid mistake
Post by: spunjtom on September 14, 2013, 11:47 am
All good points ACE, thank you.  A lot of people think that steroids will work their magic without sleeping enough, eating enough protein, and working hard.  It doesn't work like that.  I have people email me and ask about steroids when they don't work out at all- they expect to inject and grow muscle.  Not kidding.
Title: Re: Don't make a big steroid mistake
Post by: PurpleBalloons54 on September 14, 2013, 09:52 pm
+1

Thanks a bunch spunjtom.  This is really helpful.
Title: Re: Don't make a big steroid mistake
Post by: lokiju on September 14, 2013, 10:03 pm
The medical community was wrong when they said that steroids wouldn't help a person gain bulk (they actually said that, they also said that a normal diet was enough too) if you were a bodybuilder.
Now they say that steroids cause all kinds of heart disease (Arnold had that heart valve operation years ago-wonder if it was due to steroids?) and all kinds of stuff.
I wonder where the truth lies?
Title: Re: Don't make a big steroid mistake
Post by: Isobetadine on September 15, 2013, 03:27 am
just wanted to share a little advice for people new to steroids.  comments welcome.

-wash your hands before you inject.  not just a little.  more like a surgeon going into surgery.  lots of germs hide under your fingernails- remember this and act accordingly.

VERY IMPORTANT.

-clean the area you inject with rubbing alcohol. 
THIS TO BE HONEST IS LESS IMPORTANT AS THEIR ARE STUDIES THAT EXPLICITLY REVEAL IT WILL NOT MATTER MUCH. LOOK IT UP.

-don't be stupid with number of compounds or dosage.  don't push it!  stay conservative.  never add more than one new steroid at a time, or you won't know what is causing side effects!  steroids effect you psychologically and this is a fact.  keep the dosage low.

***CONSERVATIVE APPROACH YES BUT THE REST IS BULL.
YOU ADD A SECOND COMPOUND WHEN YOU HAVE DONE YOUR RESEARCH AND KNOW WHY YOU ADD IT. FOR A CERTAIN PURPOSE LIKE SBHG ATTACHMENT SO THEIR IS MORE FREE TEST IN THE BLOOD.
YES STEROIDS AFFECT PSYCHOLOGICALLY BUT THIS DIFFERS FROM COMPOUND TO COMPOUND AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TREN IS A GROSSLY EXAGERATED EFFECT AND DEPENDS ON THE PERSON TAKING IT

-never do any recreational drugs while on steroids.  never.
THAT'S ONCE AGAIN BULL UNLESS SPECIFIC DRUGS AFFECT YOU HYDRATION LEVEL OR LIVER FUNCTION.
VERY WRONG TO SAY IT IN GENERAL LIKE THAT.
WEED FOR EXAMPLE WILL DO LITTLE HARM.

-never drink alcohol while on steroids.  never, never, ever.
TRUE 100% ,TRUE. AFFECT LIVER AND GAINS.

-if you have depression or psychosis or problems with your temper or if you are bipolar, you have no business doing steroids.
DEPENDS ON THE COMPOUND AND THIS I WHERE MODERATE TEST ONLY CYCLE IS RECCOMENDED.

-if you are under 18 you should never do steroids.  most people say you should be at least 21 and have 3 years of solid lifting experience and you should already know how to eat and how to work out to grow muscle.  steroids are not miracle drugs.  if you don't know where muscle comes from and how to make it grow bigger, steroids will not change this.

THIS IS BECAUSE YOUNG MEN ARE IN THEIR PRIME WHEN IT COMES TO TEST PRODUCTION AT THAT AGE.
3 YEARS IS BULL GENERAL ADVICE.
YOU SHOULD JUST HAVE YOUR DIET AND WORK OUT FIGURED OUT TO PERFECTION BEFORE THINKING ABOUT STEROIDS MAINLY BECAUSE..ONCE YOU START..YOU ARE COMMITING TO THAT LIFESTYLE  SINCE YOU WILL LOSE ALL YOUR GAINS MADE OVER TIME.
NOBODY WANTS TO PIN NEEDLES EVERY WEEK FOR  THAT MANY YEARS

-read up and learn about PCT.  if you don't at least know what clomid and nolvadex are, and how to take them- you are not ready for steroids at all.  stay away.

-if you have high blood pressure steroids are not for you.  steroids will make high blood pressure worse, not better.
YUP!

-if you are taking steroids as a shortcut to a better body, you will fail.  there is no shortcut.  this does not mean that steroids can not help you reach your goals because they can.  however, nutrition and proper technique will do much more for your physical appearance than steroids will.

if anyone wants to add to this list please do.

Only i want to add,do your research.
ANd i don't mean: "just  read the steroid profile"

Do extensive research to the point that you know how the human body functions and you are able to read research papers to the point that you are knowledgable in that area.
Their are endocrinologists not knowledgable in their own domain of knowledge when it comes to steroids and human consumption so if you seek medical advice i reccomend looking for doctors specializing in that area or at least those that have broad knowledge of AAS.
Sadly i only know less then a handfull and the rest will just parrot whatever's been said in the media.(this is also big bucks for them at the moment to be anti and spread nonsense due to them being hired by governments and sports federation to play doping hunters so please seek for adequate profesional help)


Also research research research before starting any cycle you might want to read up on:
*If you´ve got a receding hairline be careful if you want to keep you hair or look for products that will help offset the loss.
*Do NOT take oral steroids that are metabolized in the liver without having researched the effects and are taking something to help  reduce and repair the damage.
*If you don´t have a high protein diet you are wasting your time, muscle needs to come from what you put in your tum. If you´re only eating crap you wont see gains no matter how much you pump into yourself

ACE
The medical community was wrong when they said that steroids wouldn't help a person gain bulk (they actually said that, they also said that a normal diet was enough too) if you were a bodybuilder.
Now they say that steroids cause all kinds of heart disease (Arnold had that heart valve operation years ago-wonder if it was due to steroids?) and all kinds of stuff.
I wonder where the truth lies?

I truelly reccomend to sign up with a good bodybuilding forum.
By this i mean where there is a section with people skilled in the biological sector of science.

I am on a dutch forum for that and we extensively  look into and critizise researchpapers.

Now it is indeed true that when it comes to heartcondition,taking supraphysiological amount of test is going to affect/thicken your heart amongst other things.
But their are things to consider like dose and length of your cycle.
And only starting from a certain amount of mg/week.

That is why test only is often adviced when not experienced.
I believe in the realm of 250/500mg you should be ok.

Mind you that we are FAR from having any clue when it comes to hormones and alot of  horrible claims stems from INCORRECT and foolish us.
Just like other drug issues.

And bodybuilders in current circuit take GIGANTIC doses combined with their epic genetics...
NONE of us know their protocol and you should certainly not strive to find out OR follow any of their advice as they cannot speak freely about their REAL AAS/food/work-out regime.


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All good points ACE, thank you.  A lot of people think that steroids will work their magic without sleeping enough, eating enough protein, and working hard.  It doesn't work like that.  I have people email me and ask about steroids when they don't work out at all- they expect to inject and grow muscle.  Not kidding.


 Spunjtom i answered the things from your list in caps as we don't have color on this forum unfortunately  :-[.
Well to a CERTAIN point that is not exactly false.
You will put on more muscle depending your dose and activity-level.
But of course this will not be in the realm of athletic activity.

So yes ,always spread the words to people ignorant of steroids that it does not matter what you take ..you need to work HARD and have your nutriotion figured out to perfection if you want to see results.
It irks me when biology/sports noobs criticize athletes caught and pretend those athletes are worthless and that everything was "handed" too them.

Like with the armstrong thing,it is more his personality and they way he conducts his business that is to be condemned then his steroid use since in the cycling world..the dose they take is so minimal it is quite ridiculious to think they gained THAT much advantage from it.
I'll even say this..the only thing they gain from it is more of placebo effect and a little bit of wind in the back effect for these guys.
It's quite ludacris the way it got all this attention.
Title: Re: Don't make a big steroid mistake
Post by: sourman on September 15, 2013, 08:23 am
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So yes ,always spread the words to people ignorant of steroids that it does not matter what you take ..you need to work HARD and have your nutriotion figured out to perfection if you want to see results.
It irks me when biology/sports noobs criticize athletes caught and pretend those athletes are worthless and that everything was "handed" too them.

It also amuses me when people assume that steroids build muscle for you. Unless you lived with low T most of your life, the greatest benefit you'll get from AAS use is improved recovery from workouts. In other words, steroids help you endure harder training so that when you actually build muscle after the workout, you end up with more and it will be of better quality. You still get what you put in.

Now if you have low testosterone, taking a large dose of T alone will absolutely make you bigger and firmer even if you sit on your ass and eat normally. It won't have this effect on most normal healthy men, and certainly not professional athletes that are likely to have high levels of T naturally.

It is also a myth that testosterone shrinks your dick. It temporarily shrinks your balls in steroid doses, and if anything it will make your dick LARGER. No, it won't literally grow in size, but it will get as hard as physically possible all the time. If your T levels aren't where they should be, you'd be surprised at what a difference it can make.
Title: Re: Don't make a big steroid mistake
Post by: mmmmonkey on September 17, 2013, 06:17 am
Thank you all for this information!! I feel like I might dip my feet into testosterone a bit, and this definitely helped as a basic guide. I haven't looked up much on it. Not even sure if I should be using PCT after a test cycle (maybe it's only estrogen blockers/tapering test?). I've been working out to stay in the current shape I'm in for about 2 years, prior to that I gained 30 pounds of muscle and fat in 2 years by weight gain, eating alot, cutting cycles, etc. My girlfriend complains that my sex drive is too low, we usually have sex about 1-2 times a week. I've tried Test pills before, but the pain is taking 6 of these huge capsules 2x a day. The good thing was I had a huge boost of energy and my dick was rock hard when I had erections (plus I'd have to masturbate for almost 15-25 minutes while watching some kinky porn just to get off. I know someone will probably just tell me to google it, but if anyone has any reliable links or info on how to start off on the right foot, I'd really appreciate it!

Title: Re: Don't make a big steroid mistake
Post by: spunjtom on September 21, 2013, 10:02 am
Definitely you need PCT after a test cycle but if you are doing testosterone replacement therapy that is different since there is no "cycle", you just stay on it.  You can get more general information and read about different user experiences on steroidology.com, elitefitness.com, and the forums at steroid.com.  If you want specific advice just send me a message on the main site and I will get you sorted.