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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: b999 on March 17, 2013, 08:01 am
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The Australian domestic weed deals are pretty shit right now. Anyone know what's going on?
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There seems to always be a shortage around christmas and over summer.. Happens every year. I thought things would have been recovering by now though. Hopefully it all starts picking up again soon, or I might look to the risk of ordering from OS again.
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The weed on SR is shit, and they charge top dollar, factored with exchange rates, and it's not even worth the time.
The while point for me joining up in the first place was because originally there was dank nugs at decent prices and it was easier than going for a drive for half an hour to get something decent.
My how things have gone down hill since then!
I haven't ordered any of the hash getting around lately because I'll bet money the weed I get is better than that.
I've been getting exceptional weed IRL but it's certainly much more difficult to obtain than it once was.
Now I pretty much come here only for the gossip, but I hope there will turn up magically something worth buying. I'm too old for all the rest of the shit on here since I really don't think I would interested in any of that new stuff. Even though it sounds interesting some of it, once you've done DMT on LSD you never will get that high again (actually I wouldn't even call that high I would call it completely gone) so I feel no need to dabble in anything else. I haven't tried 2CB though, that one never came around in my circles but from what I hear it's like a shitty candy flip in which case... meh.
I usually buy one or two ounces at a time that last me approximately a gram per day and currently am paying $300ea which from the consideration of inflation (government theft of our money through fiat currencies) isn't too bad considering the quality is still there from back in the day. I used to get the same shit for $200 when my cousin would by lb's but those days are long gone (before that it was cheap as shit when I was younger) you would pay $140 and get filthy dank nugz.
However there is a lot of that shamefully bad stuff that gets around these parts people call Asian weed, I guess it must have got that name because it's shit quality or perhaps grown by them, either way it does not get you stoned and is not worth even smoking let alone buying.
My opinion of that dodgy weed is that people should stop buying that for the same reason they should stop voting, so the free market determines their value is naught and they can fuck right off or do a better job!
There is one politician in my books who even deserved merit, the man who signed Executive Order 111110, but they taught him a lesson no other President, or world politician, will ever forget!
I actually wondered to myself how many people actually go into politics with good intentions and get black mailed into becoming criminals through the same tactics they use on their own people, fraud, coercion and force. I can say this, I know that if I got up to a certain point in power and knew things that if I spoke would have me and my family members killed (JFK, RObert and JFK Jnr for an example) I would play ball too.
If it comes to your principles, and the lives of your loved ones, which would you choose?
Somehow I don't think it was Pablo Escobar who first coined the phrase 'plata or plomo'.
Like Bill Hicks says about the dark smokey room, if you're an Australian and you've heard that joke, you can have little doubt that's what Kevin Rudd experienced, but even worse, had his balls amputated by a foreigner with a cock that would put John Holmes to shame.
Didn't anyone find it odd that John Howard (Australian PM) happened to leave the Pentagon about half an hour before the shit hit the fan on 9/11?
HAHA, you can tell I'm a stoner, my comment went from the shitness of SR's weed situation to Julia Gillards cock and conspiracy theories.
Time to go to bed, holy shit it is time for bed I have to be up for work in 5 hours.
- JWM
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ok so it is definitely shit on SR Aus Domestic weed then.. $500 to $600 / ounce, WTF??????
lets hope it picks up soon... I would rather go without than get f'ed up the arse like that.
So there are idiots who actually pay these f'ed prices?
And there is a shortage of domestic dealers??
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Interesting, I assumed more home grow operations there for weed than what it sounds like. Especially considering how large and remote some of the areas seem to be. I understand customs there is a bit tricky for imports but regular old weed wow?
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ive long realised that you're better off finding a shady dealer in a car to buy a few grams/day.
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ok so it is definitely shit on SR Aus Domestic weed then.. $500 to $600 / ounce, WTF??????
lets hope it picks up soon... I would rather go without than get f'ed up the arse like that.
So there are idiots who actually pay these f'ed prices?
And there is a shortage of domestic dealers??
It'll sit at whatever demand supports.
If you think it's crazy, buy a couple of pounds yourself and set up a vendor account ;)
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Supply is the issue, not demand. It's been this way for.a.while now.
Did.something happen or is this just a normal dry period?
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Ah I wish I never closed my little grow op a couple years ago. The prices are crazy but the only way you could offer RRP weed on the road is if you were growing it yourself. Let's say you get a really good price on a lb of what SR would consider good weed, $3200 or $200 per ounce. Most people can easily move that IRL amongst trusted friends without too much risk or effort anyway so you need more incentive ($) to be working on the road where you have to spend at least 3 hours per day dealing with shitty customers asking 3 questions about tracking on their lil stick'o'weed, packaging product and posting the shit out. Every day.
Costs to move 1 oz:
$200 per oz. purchase price
$20 SR fee (estimate 5-10%. )
Post (inc materials) costs $10 per item.
Being an illegal op let's call the hourly rate at $50 so you need $150 per day to pay yourself for the work you (or your partner) actually do & the "Business" profit is whats left over..
Let's say a SR vendor moves a QP (4 oz's) per day so add roughly $40 per oz for time costs. So we're already sitting at an actual cost of roughly $270 per oz. Let's add 10% on top of that to cash out your BTC. We are now at roughly $300 p/oz cost to the vendor (I like to round things off for simplicity, I swear I can actually count). I think any real business wants to make at least 40% markup on product after paying all their costs sooo.... $300 + 40% = $420 per oz
Now compare the markup the SR weed vendors are getting compare to their chem dealer counterparts and it's easy to see why so few come to the road to sell weed & also why they feel justified in charging top $. On top of all this, the buyer usually has an extra 10% costs to actually get BTC so let's just rough it out at a $450 per oz when all is said & done.
Just go chat to your local stoners & get the shit at a real price... Or better still, grow your own!
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supply and demand are 2 sides of the same coin. to put it simply if they don't have the supply to support current demand they raise the price which lowers demand as it prices people out of the market. many other factors come into play like lack of competition and busted grow ops. if it's silk road specific then afaik quite a few of your vendors are resellers and your customs being so notoriously tough increases the risk and losses that vendors have to take into account when pricing.
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Ah I wish I never closed my little grow op a couple years ago. The prices are crazy but the only way you could offer RRP weed on the road is if you were growing it yourself. Let's say you get a really good price on a lb of what SR would consider good weed, $3200 or $200 per ounce. Most people can easily move that IRL amongst trusted friends without too much risk or effort anyway so you need more incentive ($) to be working on the road where you have to spend at least 3 hours per day dealing with shitty customers asking 3 questions about tracking on their lil stick'o'weed, packaging product and posting the shit out. Every day.
Costs to move 1 oz:
$200 per oz. purchase price
$20 SR fee (estimate 5-10%. )
Post (inc materials) costs $10 per item.
Being an illegal op let's call the hourly rate at $50 so you need $150 per day to pay yourself for the work you (or your partner) actually do & the "Business" profit is whats left over..
Let's say a SR vendor moves a QP (4 oz's) per day so add roughly $40 per oz for time costs. So we're already sitting at an actual cost of roughly $270 per oz. Let's add 10% on top of that to cash out your BTC. We are now at roughly $300 p/oz cost to the vendor (I like to round things off for simplicity, I swear I can actually count). I think any real business wants to make at least 40% markup on product after paying all their costs sooo.... $300 + 40% = $420 per oz
Now compare the markup the SR weed vendors are getting compare to their chem dealer counterparts and it's easy to see why so few come to the road to sell weed & also why they feel justified in charging top $. On top of all this, the buyer usually has an extra 10% costs to actually get BTC so let's just rough it out at a $450 per oz when all is said & done.
Just go chat to your local stoners & get the shit at a real price... Or better still, grow your own!
Nicely stated!
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Fair points. So $400 ounce is a good value for SR.
How come so few vendors sell ounces then if overheads are so high for each transaction? wouldnt they prefer bigger sales to low maintenance buyers than pokey little deals?
I am talking Aus domestic btw, I would never risk importing.
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I don't see anything wrong with $400 p/oz on the road considering all the road dealers seem to be resellers & not growers. Vendors still make much more when selling many smaller deals than fewer larger ones and due to SR anonymity the risk isn't much greater slinging sticks at $600 p/oz then it is flogging elbows at resale prices.
There is an absolutely fucking amazing business opportunity here for an entrepreneurial stoner or mom & pop grow op to absolute dominate the SR market. You would run next to none of the risk that the chem boys do. Your markup would be equal to or greater than theirs. You would likely be working with your passions. Chance of being targeted by LEO for SR weed is slim to none. Product will fly out the door. Your reputation after being the one responsible for bringing down SR weed prices will not be questioned. I could go on... and on... and on... about it but anyone with half a brain see's it and knows they just have to put the bong down & switch the lights on to get the ball rolling.
I don't have the space available to safely run an op anymore and.... *sob* *sob* my main bush crop got flooded this year so I'm just hoping to harvest enough to go a few months without buying the shit.
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Feel bad for you Aussies, the prices of drugs over there are crazy. Would stop using if I ever moved there!
I thought weed was the one thing you could get at a decent quality and a fairly cheap price??
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Feel bad for you Aussies, the prices of drugs over there are crazy. Would stop using if I ever moved there!
I thought weed was the one thing you could get at a decent quality and a fairly cheap price??
There are still decent prices but our street prices are US Silk Road prices.
I guess it gives stoners an incentive to leave the couch however often they buy.
Until recently I was getting medical grade for $550 for two ounces or $1050 for 4, however I have since had to change because old mate moved away to pursue a new career and as such for the same quality weed now it's costing $300ea for two or $1100 for four.
However, there's so much shit getting around that people are charging top dollar and considering our small population and huge land mass, shows how much of a police state this continent truly is.
Australia, the same size and mineral wealth of the continental United States, with the population of Los Angeles and a docile one at that having had our nations soul founded under slavery as opposed to freedom.
It appears I am sorry to say that they are leveling the playing field on the War On Cannabis, at least at this time it certainly has this appearance.
The War On Meth however is a different story altogether!
- JWM
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crikey i knew you had a small population for the size but the same as LA?! woah
what is it with meth down there? seems a lot of australians come here for meth. completely off topic but do people make it there or is it all imported? it's barely even on the radar in the uk.
i never thought i'd be saying this but i wish the rest of the western world would catch up with (parts of) america. their medical marijuana systems are enviable and it's even fully 'legal' in 2 states now. they started the fucking war on drugs and have been putting pressure on the netherlands for decades because of their tolerant attitude towards soft drugs. crazy times.
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It's a tragedy IMO watching a whole generation lose their souls to meth.
Coming through the end of the coke era and growing up in the E culture the society had a totally different vibe.
The 90's were the best ever, and to have grown up in your twenties through that decade was watching the transformation from the old world to the new and everyone was full of optimism.
We had an amazing turn of the century and business was doing well and it was looking as though we were moving harmoniously to a new society, having seen the criminality of war pursued by people such as Henry Kissinger and the fall of the Soviet Union, it was as if the libertarian awakening was happening when we weren't as connected as we are now communicating through old school Geocities web sites and the like. But there was an optimism, a feeling like our species was finally heading to a new path of freedom.
Enter the War On Terror and the tragic events that caused it!|
Followed almost simultaneously with a meth and heroin boom that doesn't seem to be slowing down (Iran-Contra anyone?)
So as has previously been stated it will be interesting to see the end results of this phase of evolution (or de-evoltuion) of our society it will be a most curious site to behold.
I find our species to be extremely blind and infantile and although there are beacons of light out there such as Silk Road and the Libertarian rEVOLution, I see dark times ahead before they get better, and it's root cause will be the same thing it always has been for the past 100,000yrs, tribalism and power whores.
So like George Carlin I've basically given up on humanity and have no stake in the outcome, and I'm going to just watch the freak show unfold. He was of the opinion being born in America is a front row seat, I guess he must have never visited Australia.
In the end I hope the instigators of the drug war are held accountable for their actions and out on trial for crimes against humanity, but only time will tell.
And with that, like an obedient little tax cow, I'm off to work to do another days labour so that I can have %95 of my money re-stolen from me through taxation and the Federal Reserve System.
It feels great to be born into this beautiful... FREE... country, a country that is essentially the same slave farm it has always been, but free range slaves are more productive than battery slaves.
Driving my own excavator and being a sub-contractor (there's a little clue for you coppers... oooohh scary bobcat man) has at least one advantage, I have constant work and nobody can make me take a piss test.
I feel sorry for miners and I wonder how long it takes before people that work at McDonald's are forced to piss in a cup. It's best to indoctrinate them early.
FUCK, I probably just gave them an idea, next month KFC will be implementing random urine samples in case your contaminate the chickens and get someone high through your sweat! lol
Good day folks time to serve The MAN!
- JWM
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Why don't one of you aussies get some grow lights and some dank autoflower seeds? You'll be changing the game on SR in like 3 months!
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I would be interested to see the opinion of a weed or recent former weed domestic Aus seller in this thread. I won't name anyone until they come forward, but I did talk to a seller recently who had stopped and he said weed just wasn't worth selling domestic anymore due to the cost of buying it, then the hassle of shipping, and the cost of laundering and converting btc. I guess street prices have gone up which doesn't help.
Everything is crazy expensive in Australia, especially compared to the rest of the world. We are often paying double or more for the same products. It will be interesting to see what happens to our economy, clearly people can currently afford the higher prices and overall everything is going well. But I really don't think it can last. The stupidest thing is digital products even cost double here, that is nothing more than a screw Australia tax since it doesn't matter where in the world they are sold to.
I have bought weed from OS before, and generally if you pick a respected buyer with good rep there is no problem. They conceal it well enough that it almost always gets through, and if you aren't importing a huge amount even if it does get detected customs will simply confiscate nothing more. Deny deny. Hopefully our market picks up again soon, but if not... Back OS.
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yeah pretty annoyed and I may start growing...
the only 14g deals have now gone and I was ready to rock and roll.
I would never sell because I wont risk a record myself..
not happy but hoping its temporary.
Importing is a bit scary... wont that get you in a lot of trouble? For an ounce?
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Well, as a weed vendor I thought I'd come and have my input.
I just did 30 random posts in the newbie section, because the admins have taken 3 1/2 weeks (and counting) to upgrade my account to a vendor status account.
What buyers don't understand is that I have to buy my product - I do not grow it myself. I have to spend thousands of dollars to buy the product.
Then on top of that, I have to buy everything necessary to package the orders. Then, the amount of time that goes into orders is a lot longer than you'd expect.
And I'm here to make money, so I'm not going to be spending time and taking the risk to do it for a very small profit.
Outside of SR, ounces would sell at $300 - a reasonable price, and that's pretty much the average price for 1 ounce. However on SR, there are SR fees (about $30 for 1ounce listing). Plus, the cost of the packaging materials. Plus the time it takes for orders. Then, I have to wait for the order to finalise, and there is ALOT of idiots who let it auto-finalise which is very unfair to me, and is why I can't get any more stock ATM. I need to wait for people's orders to finalise so I can access that money. Then there is the bitcoin exchange fees, and the costs of cashing out.
All of that adds up.
You have to remember than outside of SR, a 1 ounce sale can be done in a matter of under one minute. The product gets weighed, put in a bag, and given to the buyer in exchange for cash. Done deal. It is no where near this easy on SR, and I would much prefer to sell 1 ounce outside of SR for $300 than selling 1 ounce on here for $350. It's so much easier. My prices will be going up when my listings are back up. I would like it if I didn't have to do this, but I'm not going to continue doing this for the return I am currently getting. I'm confident people will understand and I will still get sales. If not, then I will simply cease to sell on here. But it won't be worth me doing it if the prices don't go up a bit.
I have had very high feedback and I go out of my way to ensure every customer is satisfied. Also, buy in bulk - it saves you money. 1gm is priced at $24, but if you buy 28 grams, it works out to be about $12 / gram. Much cheaper - It's priced like this to encourage buyers to buy larger packages so I don't send out loads of tiny orders, which all take time to process and package.
I hope I have helped, and i hoe you understand why things are more expensive on SR than on the street. My listings should be up again within a week.
Dingo
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yeah all good mate... I get all that. You'se are all just champ eh ;D
I'm still don't understand why quantities are small though, I thought fee structures and risk would mean bigger quantities like 1/2 - 1 Oz would be better for vendors? And was also wondering why it all dried up recently.. Just now there's only a handful of listings. Maybe it's just an up and down thing.
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they can charge more for small amounts. like if you want a 500ml bottle of coke it's 90p or something and a 2 litres is £1.50. well in australia i'm guessing it's more like $10 or something mental but you get what i mean. higher profit margins.
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I'd imagine it dried up quickly because there is incredible demand for weed, and the suppliers (including myself) just can't keep up. Buyers have no idea what it is like. Listings go up. Log in 10 hours later and there is 20 orders and the stock is nearly all sold out (thanks to the several large custom & QP orders placed)
Whilst I have access to large quantities of weed, it's not unlimited. If it were unlimited, from what I've seen I could easily sell 1kg+ per day.
When my listings were up last week, I had 1gm, 3.5gm, 7gm, 14gm, 28gm & QP (113gm) listings.
It just sells too fast. In my dreams, I would grow myself and have 5,000 plants set up, creating a pretty much infinite supply, and would sell minimum of 1 ounce per order.
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they can charge more for small amounts. like if you want a 500ml bottle of coke it's 90p or something and a 2 litres is £1.50. well in australia i'm guessing it's more like $10 or something mental but you get what i mean. higher profit margins.
A 600ml bottle of coke (cold) here is the same price as a 2L room temperature bottle, about $3.50.
Everything in this country is insanely expensive.
Love your username BTW!!
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crikey i knew you had a small population for the size but the same as LA?! woah
what is it with meth down there? seems a lot of australians come here for meth. completely off topic but do people make it there or is it all imported? it's barely even on the radar in the uk.
i never thought i'd be saying this but i wish the rest of the western world would catch up with (parts of) america. their medical marijuana systems are enviable and it's even fully 'legal' in 2 states now. they started the fucking war on drugs and have been putting pressure on the netherlands for decades because of their tolerant attitude towards soft drugs. crazy times.
Methamphetmaine / ice is the new weed here. It's extremely easy to get. A vast majority of the population would agree it's easier to buy ice than any other drug here.
It's because there is so much money made out of it. It sells for $100 / point (0.1gm), and heavy users go through that, or more in a day. And the dealers would be making at least $60 off each sale.
It's locally made and imported. Both are common and it depends on the dealer. I'd say more and more is being imported though nowadays (generally it's higher quality and cheaper to source).
If there never was a "war on drugs," things would be alot better than they are now. If amphetamine was legal, I can't imagine methamphetamine would be very popular. People would just settle for amp., which is no where near as addictive or harmful as ice - it even has beneifts for prescriptions already.