Silk Road forums

Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: moonbear on March 07, 2012, 03:07 am

Title: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: moonbear on March 07, 2012, 03:07 am
I've never tried heroin and am considering it. I don't want to ruin my life but have good self-control. I'd like advice from a heroin user.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: thesatelliteoflove on March 07, 2012, 03:13 am
hahahah oh my god.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: QTC on March 07, 2012, 03:24 am
if you really want to test your willpower you should get addicted to heroin and then try to kick it cold turkey.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: werfelGB on March 07, 2012, 03:25 am
I have good self-control.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: kmfkewm on March 07, 2012, 03:28 am
I ended up trying heroin and thought it was okay. I didn't get hooked on it. Used for about two weeks and then quit. Just set a limit for yourself of the total number of times you will try it or the total number of grams you will use in your life and if you stick to that you will be fine. I found it to be less addictive feeling than meth. But from experience with seeing others I can tell you that it is a sneaky drug. Nobody thinks they will get addicted to it until they do. And then it is all down hill. So just make sure not to use enough to get addicted. I think it would take pretty regular use for several (more than two) weeks for this to happen though.

I sniffed and smoked though. IV seems to get people hooked a lot faster.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: opi on March 07, 2012, 03:36 am
if you really want to test your willpower you should get addicted to heroin and then try to kick it cold turkey.

I CT'D it multiple times, the 1st time was after 4 months wasn't too bad as my tolerance was only around a point or two.. i stayed off for 6 weeks got back on then went to suboxone and still on it its been almost 9 months but boy has it ever helped... im finally getting high 80's and 90's in college(30-40% increase on tests)..

its a BITCH none the less...

Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: Mecajesus on March 07, 2012, 04:13 am
I had good self control to. But now i can tell it's gradually slipping to the drug.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: rise_against on March 07, 2012, 04:24 am
why go up if you have to come down?
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: QTC on March 07, 2012, 04:33 am
I CT'D it multiple times, the 1st time was after 4 months wasn't too bad as my tolerance was only around a point or two.. i stayed off for 6 weeks got back on then went to suboxone and still on it its been almost 9 months but boy has it ever helped... im finally getting high 80's and 90's in college(30-40% increase on tests)..

its a BITCH none the less...
Well it was kind of a facetious comment but now that I think about it there is some truth to it. I did beat crippling alcoholism just by saying "don't be a bitch" and quitting cold turkey. Those DTs are a bitch though... :/
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: toysoldier1 on March 07, 2012, 04:45 am
I just started using two weeks ago.  I have good self control and have never been addicted to anything really. 

Took me 3 days of IVing heroin  to get addicted.  I am absolutely blown away at how addicting IV heroin is and how nightmarish withdrawls are.  Id say go for it, but tread carefully
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: opi on March 07, 2012, 04:53 am
i first started abusing opiates with some 80's i got for 25$ a piece 10 lasted like a month, then I got some H(waaay cheaper, G lasted a week..) had mild withdrawals, came back wanted to buy a ball, but some reason buddy thought i ment 3g's worth(i'd never pay 3g's for a oz) and brought a zip all flapped up(I asked him to flap up a ball, he did a oz) I ended up getting a half zip for 1200 and I kept usin straight for like  4 months after that haha
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: rise_against on March 07, 2012, 05:41 am
tap the vein, bro!
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: opi on March 07, 2012, 06:40 am
im going to assume that your comment was directed towards me. I rather not go to that extreme as it was hard enough to control just up the nose let alone mainlining... Plus I haven't touched H in over 3 months... tryna stay away b/c school(transferring to university) and I can't afford a gram a day habit.. barely did when I was making 20/hr(1 pay cheque went straight to my dealer)
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: msween27 on March 07, 2012, 06:45 am
If you ever get hooked just go on suboxone.  Of course you can get addicted to that has well, but it's a hell of a lot easier to kick.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: dr34dl0ck on March 07, 2012, 04:24 pm
If you ever get hooked just go on suboxone.  Of course you can get addicted to that has well, but it's a hell of a lot easier to kick.

Yeah, I know a couple of people that use then take a break with suboxone... then start right back up again. They say its a nice break though.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: diskoking23 on March 07, 2012, 04:28 pm
The old adage rings true Moonbear... You can't miss what you've never had! I had an on and off habit for 10 years... I occasionally dabble now and again, but my rule is 1 day on - at least 5 off!

It is nice.. But don't do it!
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on March 07, 2012, 04:31 pm
Nice karma moonbear! Keep it up
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: Tynkk on March 07, 2012, 04:38 pm
That's like the kid with the superhero cape asking from the top of the tree if it's ok if he jumps down.  I'm not going to tell you to do it, but I acknowledge that if that's how you choose to test the powers that be, I won't be able to stop you.  Just know the ground is a bitch when you finally get there.  (Metaphorically, of course.)
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: jpisbetterthanme on March 07, 2012, 04:57 pm
If you ever get hooked just go on suboxone.  Of course you can get addicted to that has well, but it's a hell of a lot easier to kick.

... Not sure if you're serious or not given the meandering on this forum, but I've known many people who think this is a good idea and fall into a pretty nasty trap. It sounds perfectly logical. It's really a bad idea though. I could go into a number of tl;dr reasons or reasons people would ignore but I think the most useful logistical reason is that Subs are really friggin' expensive. . . .

Plus, yknow, having a Master of Puppets is never ever a good thing. I dunno how many other metalheads are out there ( we salute you! \m/ ) but let me tell you something about Master of Puppets :  It doesn't end well!

Just your Local Friendly Neighborhood Shredmod weighing in to make sure nobody reads that and thinks "great idea!" ;)







This thread was typed at 220 bpm. With a slower interlude in the middle. And a guitar solo with a squeal played by bending a string completely off the guitar neck  . . . . ....... MASTER! MASTER! ...... 
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: msween27 on March 07, 2012, 05:59 pm
I guess I did kind of make light of the whole situation by saying "If you ever get hooked just go on suboxone" didn't really mean too, or shouldn't have anyways.  The Opiate is a wild beast you shouldn't try and tame.  You take your chances....

In retrospect, if I never touched the drug, I'd probably be better off.  But I have no regrets...  It is what it is.

Edit: Grammar/spelling
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: jpisbetterthanme on March 07, 2012, 06:02 pm
I thought you were joking but ... Yeah. I've taken it as a bit of a personal quest of mine to not watch ANOTHER person make that mistake - I've seen it happen four or five times :/
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: cuba on March 07, 2012, 06:04 pm
Honestly, the answer to this question is No.

but in the end it's you who makes the choices, you know whats best for you better than any of us.


Except for moon bear. It is not a good idea for you to try this and you should listen to this post.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: moonbear on March 07, 2012, 06:51 pm
If I used in moderation would I have withdrawals or any other negative effects? Is risking addiction my only problem here?
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: msween27 on March 07, 2012, 06:56 pm
You would be risking everything....

Don't do it moonbear, stick to the psychedelics.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: GORDENRAMSEY on March 07, 2012, 07:03 pm
If I used in moderation would I have withdrawals or any other negative effects? Is risking addiction my only problem here?

It's easy to quit heroin hard to let it go
I've quit least 3 dozen times
your mileage may vary
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: jpisbetterthanme on March 07, 2012, 07:16 pm
It's easy to quit heroin hard to let it go
I've quit least 3 dozen times
your mileage may vary

"It's easy to quit smoking; I've done it hundreds of times!" - Mark Twain
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: Addy on March 07, 2012, 07:17 pm
Depends on a lot of factors, honestly.
Have you tried other opiates? How did you react? Were they the most amazing thing ever, or "eh. Kinda nice, I suppose"?
Do you value money and personal health over, for lack of a better term, getting high?

If you have never tried an opiate, do not make heroin your first. Period. You don't want to risk falling in love at first sight (or first dose, I suppose), and there's a chance you'll OD if you don't know what you're doing.

Personally, I enjoy heroin on occasion. Sometimes shooting, sometimes sniffing. It varies, week to week... how much spare cash I have, how hectic my work schedule is, if I'd rather use another substance, etc. I'm one of the lucky ones who didn't develop a strong compulsion for it after going once. I have a few friends who weren't as fortunate.

Semi-edit: There are always chances of negative effects. Risk of overdose, possible mild constipation, and vomiting are three things to think about.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: Tynkk on March 07, 2012, 08:28 pm
If I used in moderation would I have withdrawals or any other negative effects? Is risking addiction my only problem here?
Everyone starts in moderation.  Everyone.  You start with once, and you can handle it.  Then it's a couple times a month, that's self control, right?  Then every weekend because you know what happens and you can control it and be fine for work the next week.  And hey, what's the problem with a Wednesday afternoon when I get off early?...I think you see how this is progressing.

This isn't to say that everyone becomes an addict, but every addict started from somewhere and it's safer to assume that this WILL be you than to assume that it won't. 

Risking addiction is a problem yes, so is risking overdose or death, adverse reactions in general and depending on your ROA, different physical problems (infections, etc.). 
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: Rush Limbo on March 07, 2012, 10:25 pm
May I recommend you try Oxycotin first? It's called redneck heroin for a reason, at least where I'm from...

I can't imagine ANY drug feeling better than OXY... then again, I haven't tried H. If all you want is feel high and euphoric, I say try a pill first!
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: opi on March 07, 2012, 10:28 pm
You would be risking everything....

Don't do it moonbear, stick to the psychedelics.

x2 if I could I would of never bought that half zip.
Since then I have spent well over 20k on heroin while being a student.

I had about 5k in government grants/Bursaries and u can guess where all that went
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: tordemon on March 07, 2012, 10:37 pm
If I used in moderation would I have withdrawals or any other negative effects? Is risking addiction my only problem here?
The after effects lasted quite a while for me. First time I smoked it, I smoked a single 15mg dose, and then proceeded to vomit for 3 hours when I tried to swallow a vitamin 8 hours later. I vomited for close to 6 hours when I smoked ~23mg without even trying to eat anything. Both times I didn't feel right for a few days. I've only smoked it around 5 times over the course of 4 months, but I wouldn't venture to say that it's a good idea in any sense of the concept. Part of me would hope that those bad effects would go away with higher opiate tolerance, but I would have to presume that the good effects would go away as well...
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: moonbear on March 07, 2012, 10:51 pm
I liked oxycontin about as much as weed. 1 OC high is equal to a gram of top quality weed for me.

I like OC buy I figure if I bought a bit of heroin it would save me a shitload of money on my opiate highs. I don't want a stronger high I just want moneys worth. If money weren't an option I'd stick to OC.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: rise_against on March 08, 2012, 06:37 am
(change you pic back to the old one moonbear)

i've never done heroin before, but i got a gram coming in from Tony76.  Will be my first time.  i take hydros everyday, so i am somewhat tolerant to opiates, but they just don't do it for me like they used to. i just want something that will make me happy and  be able tell myself "it's a great day to be alive".   Yea i know it can kill me, but we all die someday.  the part thats going to be hard for me is the needle.  i cant really see the veins in my arm, but i can in my hands/feet.   are these areas injectible also?
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: mju7 on March 08, 2012, 08:24 am
For most people its pretty easy to kick the habit even if you do get addicted.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: opi on March 08, 2012, 03:17 pm
(change you pic back to the old one moonbear)

i've never done heroin before, but i got a gram coming in from Tony76.  Will be my first time.  i take hydros everyday, so i am somewhat tolerant to opiates, but they just don't do it for me like they used to. i just want something that will make me happy and  be able tell myself "it's a great day to be alive".   Yea i know it can kill me, but we all die someday.  the part thats going to be hard for me is the needle.  i cant really see the veins in my arm, but i can in my hands/feet.   are these areas injectible also?


I would honestly stay away from needles Tony's h should be strong enough just to snort or smoke

You can always go to the needle if u want but u can't get away from it.... unless of course you already are shooting then use micron filters and new needle for every poke and saline solution
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: KnoxHarrington on March 08, 2012, 07:46 pm
You know what would help you sort through these important issues?


ORANGE MOCHA FRAPP-A-CHIIIINOOO!!!!!
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: cygnus on March 09, 2012, 03:47 am
It definitely isn't a good idea, but its a hell of a drug. I managed to avoid too bad of an addiction, but thats due to the fact that I watched my best friend go from occasional use to shooting every day, many times a day. The addiction he had and the symptoms of withdrawal he faced trying to quit is something that i wouldn't tell anyone to go through. I managed to keep my usage down because I barely had any money to spend on it, and got most of it when my room mate would pay me with it for doing deals for him.
The max I was ever doing was like .1-.2 a day(shooting and snorting it dissolved in water), and even from that I had some bad withdrawals(nothing compared to my roommates). But even when you wake up after feeling like shit from h, you do more because thats the only thing that makes it better, thus the addiction builds.

tl;dr- Heroin is a great feeling drug, and i've had some good times on it, but most of the consequences aren't worth it. (Addiction, personality change) You can have the greatest self control in the world, but once you feel the bliss from h you will at some point start going down the path to addiction. Be careful
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: greatgreatgrandpa on March 09, 2012, 03:53 am
Moonbear, it is painfully honest you don't have the wherewithal or maturity for this forum, please quit posting.

Thanks

ggg
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: moonbear on March 09, 2012, 03:58 am
In small doses, is heroin like oxycodone? Oxy was not hard to quit for me. Quitting oxy was a breeze compared to my attempt to quit speed.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: jollygiant on March 09, 2012, 04:05 am
Don't go killing yourself and get SR under a more watchful eye because some retarded teenager decided to buy every drug, talk about it flagrantly, mix, overdose, all at his parent's address. media would eat that shit up.

you should be banned for either trolling or just plain stupidity.

God help any vendor that sells you drugs.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: cygnus on March 09, 2012, 04:19 am
I don't have experience with oxycodone or speed, but I do know the withdrawal symptoms of heroin. It's NOT an easy drug to quit. You go through muscle pains, cramps, nausea that won't stop for anything, you'll be pissed off at everyone, you'll have hot and cold flashes that will make you miserable, you'll have times when you cannot stop shaking, and through all this, all you need to do to feel better is to just do a little heroin.

Yes, you can use heroin without getting to this point, but it is very easy to get to this point. Especially if you go in underestimating the drug. AND all of this was from tar through street dealers, so I'm sure it doesn't even compare to the level of heroin on SR.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: cuba on March 09, 2012, 04:37 am
In small doses, is heroin like oxycodone? Oxy was not hard to quit for me. Quitting oxy was a breeze compared to my attempt to quit speed.

you clearly weren't very deep at all into any sort of an oxy addiction. moon bear, stop asking us what you should do. we have given you plenty of information. read thru it and make the decision yourself. it's your life to live how you want. If you feel herion should be a part of it then i wish you luck.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: rhcp777 on March 09, 2012, 04:39 am
Moon. Why in the world would you do oxy or H if you say that a gram of good bud is about the same for you?! LOL. You should not do heroin man. Stick with weed and shrooms every now and then and stop being an attention whore.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: msween27 on March 09, 2012, 04:47 am
For most people its pretty easy to kick the habit even if you do get addicted.

What is your info based on, do you have any links or research to back it up, I live in an area with one of the highest percentages of addicts based on population in any city in the U.S.

I have known too many people who have lost everything: all their friends, family, and all their possessions, due to this devilish drug, many times over.  Being an addict for over 10 years I can personal tell you that it has been one of the hardest obstacles in my life.  I'm not saying that your statement does not apply to many people, but to say that "most people its pretty easy to kick the habit" is very misleading.  Are you talking about your immediately group of friends? 

Now I'm not trying to say I'm an angel or anything, I'm actually waiting on delivery's of H right now from two vendors.  I just don't want people to think that doing H is no big deal.  I'm not trying to come off harsh or anything, but I've lost too many friends to this drug for it to be simply dismissed has a simply harmless recreational drug, it is much more then that and should be treated with all the respect and caution it deserves.

Not trying to call anyone out or anything but please make sure you do your research and get all your facts together before experimenting with this highly potent drug.

I could be wrong, just my 2c guys

Be safe guys!

Oxy's is not like H, and to say it's even similar to weed is quite laughable (never even heard that one before and I've been around for awhile)
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: rise_against on March 09, 2012, 04:54 am
go for it moonbear! Like me, you don't have any friends or family to lose! thats why i'm starting my addiction ASAP!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: toysoldier1 on March 09, 2012, 05:50 am
go for it moonbear! Like me, you don't have any friends or family to lose! thats why i'm starting my addiction ASAP!!!!!!!!

Might as well eh....let the good times roll
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: funkynuts321 on March 09, 2012, 05:58 am
Not trying to be a dick Moonbear and I type this with safety in mind but judging by the shit I've seen you write you do not have the willpower or mindset to fuck with heroin. Remember, about a week ago you had a thread titled "Possible Accidental Overdose" where you posted up a bunch of shit you mixed together and thought you were going to die. Even if that post was bullshit, it was a very juvenile thing to do. Besides, if you have to ask an anonymous forum of people that like to fuck with you if a deadly drug you will be mainlining is a good idea that's telling you something.

Leave the shit alone. Seriously.

Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: foxymeow on March 09, 2012, 06:22 am
Dude you did 50mg of 2c-t-7 (the most powerful and dangerous 2c...also my fav) with 3mg! of 25i-NBOme.

Cmon dude take a break. Drugs are not your strong suit.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: imaloonyguy on March 09, 2012, 06:33 am
i always weigh every drug on the ol pro and con list. what are the pros you can pull from heroin? maybe feeling like a god for a short while, cons, life has a strong possiblity of going down the tubes. lsd, mdma, mushies ect always have amazing pros. a new out look on life, a new understanding of ones self, new doors open....
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: moonbear on March 09, 2012, 06:42 pm
I understand. All I'm trying to find out is would a super small amount feel like oxy?
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: tordemon on March 09, 2012, 07:11 pm
i always weigh every drug on the ol pro and con list. what are the pros you can pull from heroin? maybe feeling like a god for a short while, cons, life has a strong possiblity of going down the tubes. lsd, mdma, mushies ect always have amazing pros. a new out look on life, a new understanding of ones self, new doors open....
I always appreciate the psychs for that very reason. I honestly usually just enjoy them more than any of the depressants or any of the pure stimulants, or pretty much anything else for that matter. I don't quite know how to explain it.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: InfiniteRegress on March 09, 2012, 10:03 pm
i always weigh every drug on the ol pro and con list. what are the pros you can pull from heroin? maybe feeling like a god for a short while, cons, life has a strong possiblity of going down the tubes. lsd, mdma, mushies ect always have amazing pros. a new out look on life, a new understanding of ones self, new doors open....

I'm guessing you have never had one of those "hellishly intense, introspective nightmares." That is certainly a major downside to psychedelics for me, and the reason I haven't take them in at least eight years.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: rise_against on March 10, 2012, 05:47 am
dammit moonbear, change your photo back!
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: imaloonyguy on March 10, 2012, 05:36 pm
i always weigh every drug on the ol pro and con list. what are the pros you can pull from heroin? maybe feeling like a god for a short while, cons, life has a strong possiblity of going down the tubes. lsd, mdma, mushies ect always have amazing pros. a new out look on life, a new understanding of ones self, new doors open....

I'm guessing you have never had one of those "hellishly intense, introspective nightmares." That is certainly a major downside to psychedelics for me, and the reason I haven't take them in at least eight years.

OH MAN! i have had more than enough of those, but once you get over those thoughts you are stronger and understand more of whats around you and yourself.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: homerstoned on March 10, 2012, 07:29 pm
You will have to be really serious. the guys here.. well i can imagine some are sellers :P

First of all the withdrawal is a NIGHTMARE> going coldtr will surelly show how much willpower have.

I got hooked and i didnt know how to calm the symptoms. CT was my solution. Never in vein always smoking it or snif it.

I was a user for about 4 years. the withdraw took me (in body about 1 and a half week// in my brains well it kept lurking until... well now :P)

its sweet. its maybe one of the best high sensations out there... or just the best available in my region...

You dont have the will power. you will have withdraws you will be in pain. You will spend everything because of it.

The other way is to keep strictly to fun times. I have been able 2 years now to keep it in check.
brds, music festivals etc...

but beware... the trip is a trip to hell. after flavoring H you will have a prob later to find a better dgr for your trips.

plus there is always the danger of an OD :)

sorry for my English.

I wish i could read more serious ppl here...

have fun be careful///

Treat your drugs With RESPECT! ;)
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: zhukov on March 31, 2012, 02:00 am
It just a matter of time, you'll get addicted, it is designed to do so, messing with Endorphin/reward mechanisms, unless you are somehow defect you'll get it. Life will become bleak and years will pass in denial. Relations, health and study/job will deteriorate if not irreversibly damaged.

Folks who claim to overcome withdraw after some episodes of consumption, they seen nothing. This thing takes time to build, you will be comfortable filling been in control long after you already hooked, it called denial. Check some pics on google for: krokodil

They hooked to the same kind of substance but less pure. It's like fast forward. 10-15 times faster I guess.

There is absolutely no reasons to try it even once, you better off without it. Because of the fucking war on drugs and idiots politicians opioids are somehow ended up in the same category with lets say pot.

I can make a case that heroin is pure evil! It smart the same as you, it has strong will, has exceptional patience, and will rule you as your master, it will never go away, you can overthrow it but not execute.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: jtemp102311 on March 31, 2012, 06:05 am
It just a matter of time, you'll get addicted, it is designed to do so, messing with Endorphin/reward mechanisms, unless you are somehow defect you'll get it. Life will become bleak and years will pass in denial. Relations, health and study/job will deteriorate if not irreversibly damaged.

Folks who claim to overcome withdraw after some episodes of consumption, they seen nothing. This thing takes time to build, you will be comfortable filling been in control long after you already hooked, it called denial. Check some pics on google for: krokodil

They hooked to the same kind of substance but less pure. It's like fast forward. 10-15 times faster I guess.

There is absolutely no reasons to try it even once, you better off without it. Because of the fucking war on drugs and idiots politicians opioids are somehow ended up in the same category with lets say pot.

I can make a case that heroin is pure evil! It smart the same as you, it has strong will, has exceptional patience, and will rule you as your master, it will never go away, you can overthrow it but not execute.

Best post on here.  MoonBear take this advice brother!
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: GunsoftheNavarone86 on March 31, 2012, 10:41 am
It just a matter of time, you'll get addicted, it is designed to do so, messing with Endorphin/reward mechanisms, unless you are somehow defect you'll get it. Life will become bleak and years will pass in denial. Relations, health and study/job will deteriorate if not irreversibly damaged.
[...]
I can make a case that heroin is pure evil! It smart the same as you, it has strong will, has exceptional patience, and will rule you as your master, it will never go away, you can overthrow it but not execute.

Absolutely agree, good post man. Not that I am going to say anything here that hasn't been brought up, but I would also like to add my two cents. I have been a heroin addict for about 8 years (addict is the key term here, when using heroin there are no weekend warriors, please believe this), and if I could go back in time and stop myself from taking that first dose I would not hesitate to do so. Heroin WILL enslave you, I don't care how strong you believe your willpower is -- you WILL become addicted, as zhukov mentioned, it taps into the core reward/endorphin system within your brain thus you are hardwired to LOVE heroin, in fact you will love it so much it eventually will become more important than anything else in your life. I, like most beginner heroin users, thought that I could avoid full blown addiction, and for a while I did. Alas, that is the problem. It takes different ammounts of time for everyone, but once you use it, and feel the power and bliss of its warm embrace, the countdown clock starts, and it is only a matter of time before you absolutely need it. Is it possible you could avoid this? Sure, anything is possible I suppose, but I can say with 99.9% certainty that you WILL NOT BE ABLE TO. You know how I know this? Because everyone thinks they will be the one to avoid the trap, they believe their willpower or self-control is greater than other peoples, and everyone eventually fails. I beg of you, please don't try heroin. I can tell you exactly what it brought me: a criminal record, burned bridges with ALL of my former friends, collapsed veins, a family that looks on me with disgust and pity and anger, an inability to save any money because it invariably is all lost to dope, stints in rehab, and the horrors of withdrawal (especially withdrawal in jail, you'll love that one). And the worst part is I am one of the lucky addicts -- I don't have HIV/AIDS, or Hep C, my family will at least still speak to me (sometimes), and I still have my life (although I continue to risk it 2-3 times a day every time I shoot up). Ask yourself this before you try it if you really must: Am I ready to forsake everyone I know and love? Am I ready to steal, cheat, lie, and rob? Am I ready to brave the worst anguish I will ever know once my supply runs out? I am assuming you aren't willing to go through these things, so please believe me, I have already made these mistakes for you, you don't need to throw your life away to find out what I am already telling you. The high is not worth it, nothing is worth what this shit does to your life, it is the epitome of misery. I will never EVER have a normal life again, I will always be a slave to it, even if I kick the habbit it will always be there in my mind, beckoning me to cook up just one more shot. I know anyone else here who is truly a seasoned heroin user will tell you these same things. So, now that I have told you all this, you tell me, do you think its a good idea now? I sincerely hope you say no. Always remember this: other drugs may be used and enjoyed, heroin ultimately uses you. It WILL consume you, it WILL destroy you and everyone you care for, and IF you live any appreciable length of time, you will spend the rest of your days cursing the moment you lost your life to it, all the while chasing it relentlessly, selling your soul one shot at a time.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: Addy on April 01, 2012, 08:54 pm
It just a matter of time, you'll get addicted, it is designed to do so, messing with Endorphin/reward mechanisms, unless you are somehow defect you'll get it. Life will become bleak and years will pass in denial. Relations, health and study/job will deteriorate if not irreversibly damaged.
[...]
I can make a case that heroin is pure evil! It smart the same as you, it has strong will, has exceptional patience, and will rule you as your master, it will never go away, you can overthrow it but not execute.

Absolutely agree, good post man. Not that I am going to say anything here that hasn't been brought up, but I would also like to add my two cents. I have been a heroin addict for about 8 years (addict is the key term here, when using heroin there are no weekend warriors, please believe this), and if I could go back in time and stop myself from taking that first dose I would not hesitate to do so. Heroin WILL enslave you, I don't care how strong you believe your willpower is -- you WILL become addicted, as zhukov mentioned, it taps into the core reward/endorphin system within your brain thus you are hardwired to LOVE heroin, in fact you will love it so much it eventually will become more important than anything else in your life. I, like most beginner heroin users, thought that I could avoid full blown addiction, and for a while I did. Alas, that is the problem. It takes different ammounts of time for everyone, but once you use it, and feel the power and bliss of its warm embrace, the countdown clock starts, and it is only a matter of time before you absolutely need it. Is it possible you could avoid this? Sure, anything is possible I suppose, but I can say with 99.9% certainty that you WILL NOT BE ABLE TO. You know how I know this? Because everyone thinks they will be the one to avoid the trap, they believe their willpower or self-control is greater than other peoples, and everyone eventually fails. I beg of you, please don't try heroin. I can tell you exactly what it brought me: a criminal record, burned bridges with ALL of my former friends, collapsed veins, a family that looks on me with disgust and pity and anger, an inability to save any money because it invariably is all lost to dope, stints in rehab, and the horrors of withdrawal (especially withdrawal in jail, you'll love that one). And the worst part is I am one of the lucky addicts -- I don't have HIV/AIDS, or Hep C, my family will at least still speak to me (sometimes), and I still have my life (although I continue to risk it 2-3 times a day every time I shoot up). Ask yourself this before you try it if you really must: Am I ready to forsake everyone I know and love? Am I ready to steal, cheat, lie, and rob? Am I ready to brave the worst anguish I will ever know once my supply runs out? I am assuming you aren't willing to go through these things, so please believe me, I have already made these mistakes for you, you don't need to throw your life away to find out what I am already telling you. The high is not worth it, nothing is worth what this shit does to your life, it is the epitome of misery. I will never EVER have a normal life again, I will always be a slave to it, even if I kick the habbit it will always be there in my mind, beckoning me to cook up just one more shot. I know anyone else here who is truly a seasoned heroin user will tell you these same things. So, now that I have told you all this, you tell me, do you think its a good idea now? I sincerely hope you say no. Always remember this: other drugs may be used and enjoyed, heroin ultimately uses you. It WILL consume you, it WILL destroy you and everyone you care for, and IF you live any appreciable length of time, you will spend the rest of your days cursing the moment you lost your life to it, all the while chasing it relentlessly, selling your soul one shot at a time.
Not to belittle your post, but weekend warrior reporting in. Been using it as such for about a year or so. In addition, I'm currently looking into other opiates for various reasons.

That being said, I have seen far too many people fall to this drug, so I won't conclude with something as simple as "depends on the person," because I can honestly say that the number of addicts vs. the number of causal users is far too skewed in favor of the former. I'm the type of person who believes in trying everything once, and you're the type of person who believes in trying to save people from horrors you have personally faced. I don't think either viewpoint is inherently wrong.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: GunsoftheNavarone86 on April 02, 2012, 08:17 am

Not to belittle your post, but weekend warrior reporting in. Been using it as such for about a year or so. In addition, I'm currently looking into other opiates for various reasons.

That being said, I have seen far too many people fall to this drug, so I won't conclude with something as simple as "depends on the person," because I can honestly say that the number of addicts vs. the number of causal users is far too skewed in favor of the former. I'm the type of person who believes in trying everything once, and you're the type of person who believes in trying to save people from horrors you have personally faced. I don't think either viewpoint is inherently wrong.

I envy your ability to stay within the realm of the weekend warrior. Just be careful man, I know many people (including myself) who used just as you are, sometimes even for years. Ultimately though the habit got all of them, and they were using everyday -- not saying the same will happen to you, but just please watch out, I really do care about the well being of everyone on these boards and don't want to see anyone get a habit that will cost them their lives. I agree with your statement that either viewpoint is not inherently wrong; however, I would like to add something: I actually do believe in trying everything once as well -- BUT! I strongly recommend that before you go through with whatever it is you learn as much as you can about it. I wouldn't stop anyone who really wants to try heroin, although I would try to make them keenly aware of the dangers of the drug before they do so. Heroin is the ultimate scary substance, so attractive yet so incredibly deadly in so many ways.

I just hoped to illustrate that nobody should have the attitude "It won't happen to me", only because I have seen that line of thought so many times, and each one of those people ended up crashing and burning and becoming just another junkie. The OP has every right to try it if he wants! I certainly don't want people telling me what I can and can't do, so I wouldn't dare do it to somebody else. All I want is everybody to be as safe and happy as possible ;) Cheers bro! BTW, what other opiates are you looking into? And do you IV your H?
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: redalloverthelandguyhere on April 03, 2012, 01:37 am
Heroin is TOO good a drug to use once and shrug off. Its tempting to think that you might have a nice weekend relaxing with a half gram or something but its not like any other drugs in that the addiction is sustainable for a long long time and its a selfish kind of drug with many heroin users liking to use in their own company.

As a prescribed user of codeine I know the opiate buzz at its very mildest.

I'm older than most here I guess and have always given heroin a miss because I know I'd be addicted in a couple of weeks. Although injecting is something I would hate to do - the cost of heroin for most working folk means that injecting is a cost factor - and you can sustain the habit in work easier than slipping off to sneak a bump or smoke some on your silver foil (why don't they use a vapouriser pipe?)

Drugs such as E or speed or coke - these are not addictive to me as they are social drugs to me and maybe a once a year treat usually with the exception of E which I will use every few months.

Weed is a social or use alone drug. That is my addiction but its better than most others.

Heroin is the sneakiest of drugs and can creep up on you until one day you realize its Tuesday morning and your in need of a fix. You feel like shit but heroin can cure that instantly. Its human nature to want the easy way out and that's why people become addicts. H just has more clout than most plus its illegal and has a stigma for users which is silly when you consider a lot of heroin users are working folk. I mean they work legally in some job.

One other factor is depression. Opiates are great for curing it and I think many addicts find a peace via opiates that they otherwise never have. If prescribed heroin would not interfere with anyone's life. For addicts sourcing a clean supply is a matter of life and death so seeing it sold here does not worry me.

If anyone wants to be as high as heroin but play it safe - buy 5 grams of good hash - eat some of it and smoke some of it. You will end up in a state which is not far off being wasted on heroin.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: onlyone on April 03, 2012, 04:13 pm

If anyone wants to be as high as heroin but play it safe - buy 5 grams of good hash - eat some of it and smoke some of it. You will end up in a state which is not far off being wasted on heroin.

Good luck.

Really? Id like to believe this was true but when i get high (on thc) i get paranoid and eventually fall alseep. I wish i could get the same feelings off of weed and if its possible like you say on hash i will have to give it a try.

Personally i have a lot of experience with opiates and addiction. If you let it H will make you a shell of your former self. I used to be a cocky proud ready to fight for anything crazy young muthafucka full of piss and vinegar as the old folks say. Now i just want to hide away when i get my next fix and say FUCK THE WORLD! Opiates are the greatest escape from reality and the world. But they will change you as a person. This is the truth and anyone who says otherwise is full of shit or lying to themselves.

I wonder if it was worth the trade sometimes, but when the shit kicks in and my eyes roll back thats all that fuckin matters. FUCK THE WORLD! Its really the most selfish act that a person can do that I can think of. It makes you just say fuck everyone else and it will change you as a person.

I wish you the best of luck.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: Addy on April 03, 2012, 04:56 pm

Not to belittle your post, but weekend warrior reporting in. Been using it as such for about a year or so. In addition, I'm currently looking into other opiates for various reasons.

That being said, I have seen far too many people fall to this drug, so I won't conclude with something as simple as "depends on the person," because I can honestly say that the number of addicts vs. the number of causal users is far too skewed in favor of the former. I'm the type of person who believes in trying everything once, and you're the type of person who believes in trying to save people from horrors you have personally faced. I don't think either viewpoint is inherently wrong.

I envy your ability to stay within the realm of the weekend warrior. Just be careful man, I know many people (including myself) who used just as you are, sometimes even for years. Ultimately though the habit got all of them, and they were using everyday -- not saying the same will happen to you, but just please watch out, I really do care about the well being of everyone on these boards and don't want to see anyone get a habit that will cost them their lives. I agree with your statement that either viewpoint is not inherently wrong; however, I would like to add something: I actually do believe in trying everything once as well -- BUT! I strongly recommend that before you go through with whatever it is you learn as much as you can about it. I wouldn't stop anyone who really wants to try heroin, although I would try to make them keenly aware of the dangers of the drug before they do so. Heroin is the ultimate scary substance, so attractive yet so incredibly deadly in so many ways.

I just hoped to illustrate that nobody should have the attitude "It won't happen to me", only because I have seen that line of thought so many times, and each one of those people ended up crashing and burning and becoming just another junkie. The OP has every right to try it if he wants! I certainly don't want people telling me what I can and can't do, so I wouldn't dare do it to somebody else. All I want is everybody to be as safe and happy as possible ;) Cheers bro! BTW, what other opiates are you looking into? And do you IV your H?
Thanks for the respectful response. Agreed, every person going in with the notion that his/her will alone will be enough to combat the drug is terribly misguided. +1
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: davebowman on April 03, 2012, 06:31 pm
I tried tony's via iv recently hoping it would be automatic bliss as I've been told and honestly it just made me really sick. I have little desire to experiment with banging since.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: sourman on April 03, 2012, 07:30 pm
^Sounds like you took too much. If you are somewhat opiate tolerant and know the feeling of "too much", then nevermind.

TBH I always wanted to know if small amounts of heroin would be a good replacement for 30mg oxycodone pills. Only addicts are able to reliably procure controlled substances in my area due to doctor paranoia, so getting a few "percs" legally to take whenever I need them is out of the question. Seriously, fuck staying up all night suffering. If I sprained my back or have a bad headache, I'd rather take the damn oxy and just go to bed.

I don't even enjoy the feeling sometimes, it just reminds me of being home sick with a cold at a young age. Yeah, it's nice, but there's no way in hell I'd want to feel like that every day. So far, I've tried oxy, hydro, codeine, and suboxone. Yes, I tried suboxone recreationally a few times. Still.... can't.... get over... that.... TASTE. Writing that just made me nauseous. I can taste that orange satan armpit essence of nausea right now. Blehhhhh

Anyway, I'm not about to try H any time soon, but it would be nice to have a cheap replacement for the ridiculously expensive, hard to find oxyo/hydrocodone. I can't see it being that much more pleasurable for me, but all the stories I've heard throughout the years tell me it's a bad idea. Sticking to pharmaceutical grade pills that I'm reluctant to buy unless I need to just makes more sense.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: Lightbulb-breaking on April 03, 2012, 10:39 pm
I tried tony's via iv recently hoping it would be automatic bliss as I've been told and honestly it just made me really sick. I have little desire to experiment with banging since.

A room mate and friend of mine tried some of tony's delectable heroin pebbles, which was without a doubt an example of the utmost finery, to an identical result. Then again, he had no tolerance and had never really IV'd before, so it was an unfortunately unsurprising result.

If one were to try heroin they should begin by snorting it. It takes some getting used to, potent opiates that is, before the rush can really be appreciated.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: outoftime20 on April 03, 2012, 10:46 pm
Whats more potent, snorting heroin or smoking it? How many milligrams of does it take for each method? I've never snorted it before but maybe I should start. I've always smoked it. I usually do a very small amount on top of weed, I'm not into the strong heroin rush. It kind of compliments weed for me. I guess that makes me lucky for not falling victim to heroin.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: Lightbulb-breaking on April 04, 2012, 01:01 am
It depends entirely on the heroin. Assuming its theoretically pure (roughly pure) then you could snort 25-15mg as a start. Smoking it on top of weed is a waste though, burning the diamorphine hydrochloride destroys it completely. Even smoking diamorphine hydrochloride by the proper method of vapourization is largely inefficient and wasteful, you really want a base form to smoke. You get something of a rush from smoking heroin base, as the hit is absorbed through the capillaries before straight into the brain.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: DiMiTriSpice on April 04, 2012, 03:05 am
Um NO. Jesus man, if your asking the question then you already know the answer. Look, truth, we hit it once and a while as a lark, but its not our drug. If you don't do it and your curious about it - cool. But we've seen a couple different folk. Those that love it and those that can take it or leave it. We don't love it (sorry bout the third person but we're having fun) .Who knows what species you are. Sounds like some madness you don't need. I recommend something else. Smoke some pot. Watch a movie. Eat some food. Too many bad stories bout H.

Peace,
DiMiTri
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: outoftime20 on April 04, 2012, 03:39 am
So I've been doing it wrong this whole time... well I guess I'll try snorting it. I don't really get why people love it so much, it just makes me happy, kind of apathetic, and then I fall asleep. Maybe some people have such shitty lives that it's about escaping reality, and not just feeling good.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: GunsoftheNavarone86 on April 04, 2012, 09:17 am
Thanks for the respectful response. Agreed, every person going in with the notion that his/her will alone will be enough to combat the drug is terribly misguided. +1

 ;) When I get 100 posts I'll getcha back on the karma!

So I've been doing it wrong this whole time... well I guess I'll try snorting it. I don't really get why people love it so much, it just makes me happy, kind of apathetic, and then I fall asleep. Maybe some people have such shitty lives that it's about escaping reality, and not just feeling good.

Yes, it can be escaping reality for sure -- definitely why it's always been popular with homeless. I remember the first few times I tried it smoking it I couldn't understand what the big hoopla was about, I much preferred snorting an 80 OC. Then I got better at smoking it (this is black tar heroin btw), and I started understanding haha.

Look, here's what you've ultimately got to understand: it is a drug designed to be injected. Smoking it, snorting it, etc. is all fine, it's definitely safer, and great ways to go for a newbie so they don't die. The problem is once you experience it IV'd you won't accept it any other way. Just don't take it that far  :)
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: outoftime20 on April 04, 2012, 04:31 pm
Does heroin mess with your ability to experience pleasure like coke does?
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: ellemenopee on April 04, 2012, 08:34 pm
How many of you would take back that first try if you could?
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: opi on April 04, 2012, 10:23 pm
I would
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: kidx on April 05, 2012, 01:16 am
I don't know how much more evidence you need to know that heroin isn't a good idea, so hell, go ahead and try it!
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: GunsoftheNavarone86 on April 05, 2012, 05:34 am
Does heroin mess with your ability to experience pleasure like coke does?
Ohhhh yeah, BIG TIME.  It also fucks up your bodies natural production of endorphins so you'll be all kinds of miserable if you've been doing a lot and you suddenly stop.
How many of you would take back that first try if you could?
I already mentioned I would in an earlier post, but just to reiterate, hell yes I would stop myself from taking that first hit. It is a moment forever frozen in my mind -- not many people can look back into their past and pinpoint the exact moment where it all went bad. Any heroin addict can do it easily  :(
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: opi on April 05, 2012, 06:53 am
oh fyi, YMMV but when I do heroin, I can't even orgasm.. well i cum, but it doesn't feel like it should.. its just empty.. splooge, and meh... not worth the effort.... doesn't matter sex, bj, or hj ain't worth the effort...

now after about 2-3 weeks it comes back with a vengeance...
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: GunsoftheNavarone86 on April 05, 2012, 07:52 am
oh fyi, YMMV but when I do heroin, I can't even orgasm.. well i cum, but it doesn't feel like it should.. its just empty.. splooge, and meh... not worth the effort.... doesn't matter sex, bj, or hj ain't worth the effort...

now after about 2-3 weeks it comes back with a vengeance...

 ;D heh, I could write a lot on this topic but I'll keep it relatively short. Heroin and sex CAN be amazing, but also might be just as you described it too. The trick is the dosage. Too high and you have what you just described, and too little makes it no different than normal. However, there is kind of a sweet spot (at least I have found there is for me) in terms of dosage where orgasm can be delayed almost indefinitely but the ability to maintain an erection in not affected.  Once you find this dose for yourself, and practice a little for yourself (fapfapfap), you can pretty much control exactly when you want to bust a nut. Girls will think you're superman, but it's really just a little vitamin H  ;)

I have a COMPLETELY FILTHY sex story I'll share really quick since I know everyone enjoys reading those... I once knew a girl, incredibly not haggard like you'd expect, I met her in rehab when she was a smoking hot 20 yr old, I was 24. Thank the good lord she was also a complete nympho. Once, she invited me over to her mom's house who was a complete pill head and virtually in a coma most of the day. Needless to say, we took advantage of the opportunity by doing lots of drugs and fucking like rabbits in her backyard guesthouse. One day while we were both experimenting with heroin and meth she showed me quite the little parlor trick -- she lined up three syringes, no. 1 contained just a little bit of dope, no. 2 meth, and no. 3 another little dope shot. After doing all three in quick succession I noticed her breathing was quite labored and intense and she had literally soaked her panties through, totally dripping wet. She fucking gave herself an orgasm with nothing but the drugs! I was absolutely astounded and I have never seen anything of the like since. Luckily she also asked me to help her reach a few more, and I felt it was my gentlemanly duty to do so *boner noise*. You know how they say once you experience sex with the right drugs you become desensitized to sober sex? It's memories like that which make me wholeheartedly agree LOL.
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: Raoul Duke on April 05, 2012, 08:17 am
oh fyi, YMMV but when I do heroin, I can't even orgasm.. well i cum, but it doesn't feel like it should.. its just empty.. splooge, and meh... not worth the effort.... doesn't matter sex, bj, or hj ain't worth the effort...

now after about 2-3 weeks it comes back with a vengeance...

each to their own i suppose - i get horny as fuck on smack, even more so than when i'm on coke. with coke i just want to talk bollocks. i only use H occasionally though, once a week or once a couple of weeks.

i think i'm one of the lucky ones that hasn't been grabbed by H though, as i have been on a 4 day binge and just knocked it on the head when i had to go back to work with no side effects or the urge to use any more. well, nearly no side effects, felt a bit sick for the first couple of hours being back at work, but after a big lunch i was fine. strange really because i developed quite the coke problem a few years ago
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: phubaiblues on April 05, 2012, 08:21 am
If you really interested, I'd sign up on opiophile.org.  They have a lot of longtime heroin users on there, who are forthright and honest about their lives.  Heroin isn't all bad: most lives aren't.  But it takes more than it gives, and by the time most realize this, it's too late.  Nobody thinks they'll become an addict.  All the young guys that I knew, we all thought we'd just chip, and could quit when we wanted: and that was true, until it wasn't true.  Everybody chips until they don't.

Eventually tho, your life takes a bad turn, and you have money and a good source, and you pick up a habit.  I don't think until someone has been seriously strung out, that they can understand just how good heroin can be, when you are sick.  And then it's too late.

To me there is no joy I've ever encountered, like a good shot of heroin when I'm sick.  'Getting well,' doesn't begin to describe it.  But I've lost and traded in everything that ever really matters on this drug, paid all the hard prices that have been already mentioned by others, lost friends and lovers in horrible ways...and in the end, doesn't stack up to much...

But I've never known anybody to get talked out of it, either, so it doesn't matter what we say.  Someday tho, that sad song Carmelita will make all kind of sense, when you're sick in some strange city, and haven't got enough to fix, and don't know anybody if you did, but it's not much to look forward to, compared to what you loose along the way...seems romantic and cool when you're very young, I suppose...
Title: Re: Honestly, would it be a good idea to try heroin?
Post by: LucyDiamond on April 05, 2012, 07:31 pm
I've decided that I'll probably use opiates when I'm older (70-80 years old). I like the ideal of sitting down and drinking a cup of opiate tea. Something about opiate tea seems more inviting then heroin.