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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: RaFaeL5 on January 17, 2013, 05:01 pm
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You can read the first part of our "test" on this page: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=91822.0
INTRODUCTION:
we have contacted 37 european C-vendors and asked them if they wanted to participate in our test. From those 37 vendors, only 9 have decided to participate.
We also ordered samples from 3 vendors without telling them it was for a test (Frank Matthews, Charlieandmollie, c63amg). Thus, in total we've tested 12 european C-vendors...
At the time we started our project (beginning of december 2012) we contacted EVERY european C-vendor, but since then a few new players are offering C on SR. We invite other SR-buyers to test those vendors and post their opinion about the product/service/package on this forum page, but we ourselves will not contact those new vendors.
To our opinion the vendors that decided to participate in the test already showed that they cared about their business and that they are confident about their product. Maybe a few serious vendors decided not to participate in our test (for whatever reason), but to our opinion that isn't a good sign…
To be able to weight the products to a 0.01g accuracy we got ourselves a new scale from "Overweight" (300g at 0.01g accuracy).
The scale was here very quickly. It's small, easy to use, accurate and we like it a lot (but it's better not to rescale it!).
The test was not a "blind test", this means that we told the participants how we intended to test their product. If those vendors sent us very good stuff this will prove that they can get hold of good stuff, it doesn't guarantee that they will always send the best stuff in the best possible way to every customer, but there is always more chance that a vendor that CAN get hold of good stuff will send it to his customers, than a vendor that showed us he can't get hold of a decent product.
Also, by now most of the batches that we tested will probably have been sold out by the vendors, but as written above: once a vendor has proven that he can get his hands on quality gear there is more chance that he has the contacts and the capacities to get it again. This doesn't give you a guarantee, but it's a good indication.
4 vendors have been disqualified: Lupen and Crystalking sent us the wrong product, Dope Distributor never sent us his product and Frank Matthews sent us 10% too little (but we got a 10% refund and due to some people's questions we decided to include FM's score further down this page).
Most of the products were better than what we can find on our "local" market and thus we think that, for our situation, working with SR is worth if for ordering C - but this is something everyone should asses for himself/herself taking in account the risk of ordering on SR.
We used our "local" product for a few days before starting the test, so that we wouldn't have a false "woow" effect on the first product that we tested. From there on we tried to test 1 product per day (never more than 1 per day!). Keeping this rhythm was quite intense and we hope our results are as good as possible, but we didn't have time to go slower on the tests (for private reasons). Hopefully our many years of experience made it possible for us to give you results that are valuable to you.
As much as possible we tried to be objective and honest and we hope that we were able to achieve this…
When reading our results keep in mind that we snorted the product. We don't shoot up, nor did we base it. For a different usage you might want to find someone who tested the products in a different manner.
We advice beginners (and more experienced users) to read the forum page on "cocaine harm reduction": http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1263.0
To our opinion this NOT-blind test is only the first part of the test and it should be backed-up by a "blind test" where the vendors are not notified of the intension to test and compare their product, but at least now we have a list of serious vendors who proved to be able to send quality product in a serious manner to customers. Making a blind test with only products from these vendors will give you an exact idea of whom has the capacity and the will to send good, qualitative gear in a consistent manner. At least now you can narrow your search to let's say the 5 best vendors we list here, instead of having to order product from the +/- 50 european vendors that sell C… maybe someone who already tested product from our "5 best" would be willing to share his/her experience with us on this forum page?
We didn't looked at the price of the product. The products from SR are (in our case) always more expensive than what we can find on our local market, but when someone is really looking for quality the cost per gram shouldn't be an issue. C is an expensive product, if you don't want to pay the money needed to get good stuff on SR, pay less and buy stuff on your local market or look for another product.
Since 2 very good products can have quite different effect on you, we decided to give 4 different "nominations": best mellow-coke, best sex-coke, best party-coke and best allround-coke
OUR RESULTS:
best package: mercury 31
best communication: charlieandmollie
best mellow-c: bungee54
best sex-c: amsterdope 72%
best party-c: supertrips
best allround-c: mercury31
FINAL SCORE (on 80 points):
frank matthews: 60.5
charlieandmollie: 75.5
c63amg: 63
bungee54: 64.5
uglydoll: 49
amsterdope 72%: 66.5
amsterdope 83%: 72
mercury31: 79
supertrips: 71.5
A small word about each product:
* Amsterdope 72% : best sex-cocaine that we tested…be sure to have a partner (or lots of porn) nearby when using!
* Amsterdope 83%: incredibly pure coke, too pure for a good effect when snorting - but for smoking or shooting this might be "the one".
* Charlieandmollie: good stuff with a mellow effect
* c63amg: chemical odor and taste, bad product
* Frank Matthews: product was too wet (pasta), mellow effect, not great - also 10% light
* Bungee 54: superMELLOW, one of the better ones
* Supertrips: party-dope!!! long lasting effect
* Uglydoll: OK one, but no cigar
* Mercury31: CIGAR - top of the top! huge smile & "I'm the king of the world"-feeling
I hope you guys enjoy our test results and that it will help you find the serious vendors that you want to work with and thus get the great product that you want to consume…
If you enjoyr our project and test results and would like to see us continue testing products, don't hesitate to sponsor our "future research projects" with small donations @ the SR bitcoin wallet: 13XSNGrZnmaYpSJEwXUpb2rUDMGNPSp2jr
Enjoy your Road!
PS: here the details of the scores (every score is on a maximum of 10, but for the "good sex" and "good breathing" we only worked with a -, /, +/-, + system).
FrankMatthews:
Packaging-how inventive: 7, Packaging-how good: 9, Product-first visual: 6, Product-first smell: 8, Product-first taste: 7.5, Product-feeling after a while: 8, Customer contact-how quick: 5, Customer contact-how constructive: 5, General look SR page: 5, good sex: -, good breathing (asthma): /
Charlieandmollie:
Packaging-how inventive: 6, Packaging-how good: 9, Product-first visual: 8, Product-first smell: 8.5, Product-first taste: 9, Product-feeling after a while: 10, Customer contact-how quick: 9, Customer contact-how constructive: 9, General look SR page: 7, good sex: -, good breathing (asthma): x
c63amg:
Packaging-how inventive: 9, Packaging-how good: 7, Product-first visual: 6, Product-first smell: 6, Product-first taste: 6, Product-feeling after a while: 6, Customer contact-how quick: 7, Customer contact-how constructive: 8, General look SR page: 8, good sex: -, good breathing (asthma): -
Bungee54:
Packaging-how inventive: 2, Packaging-how good: 8, Product-first visual: 6, Product-first smell: 7, Product-first taste: 8, Product-feeling after a while: 8.5, Customer contact-how quick: 9, Customer contact-how constructive: 9, General look SR page: 7, good sex: -, good breathing (asthma): +/-
Uglydoll:
Packaging-how inventive: 2, Packaging-how good: 8, Product-first visual: 7, Product-first smell: 7, Product-first taste: 8, Product-feeling after a while: 6, Customer contact-how quick: 9, Customer contact-how constructive: 7, General look SR page: 1, good sex: /, good breathing (asthma): x
Amsterdope 72%:
Packaging-how inventive: 4, Packaging-how good: 8, Product-first visual: 7.5, Product-first smell: 8.5, Product-first taste: 9, Product-feeling after a while: 5.5, Customer contact-how quick: 9, Customer contact-how constructive: 9, General look SR page: 6, good sex: +, good breathing (asthma): x
Amsterdope 83%
Packaging-how inventive: 4, Packaging-how good: 8, Product-first visual: 9, Product-first smell: 9, Product-first taste: 8, Product-feeling after a while: 10, Customer contact-how quick: 9, Customer contact-how constructive: 9, General look SR page: 6, good sex: -, good breathing (asthma): x
Mercury31
Packaging-how inventive: 9.5, Packaging-how good: 9.5, Product-first visual: 9, Product-first smell: 9.5, Product-first taste: 9, Product-feeling after a while: 9.5, Customer contact-how quick: 8, Customer contact-how constructive: 8, General look SR page: 7, good sex: -, good breathing (asthma): +/-
Supertrips
Packaging-how inventive: 9, Packaging-how good: 9, Product-first visual: 9.5, Product-first smell: 8, Product-first taste: 8.5, Product-feeling after a while: 6.5, Customer contact-how quick: 9, Customer contact-how constructive: 8, General look SR page: 4, good sex: /, good breathing (asthma): +
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Not really much point to it when batches change that often.
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to do our testing we also got some hardware @ Pluto Pete's...
Pluto Pete is a nice guy, very quick shipping and has the habit to put some "extra's" in your parcels...
but we weren't really convinced by the gear he sent us.
His "powder grinder" didn't work well at all!
His "bullet's" were OK, but not really quality.
His snorting tubes are good (but then again: what can go wrong).
His "snorting kit with miror" is crap.
If you have a local shop were you can get such items, you'll probably be better of buying it from there.
If not, then Pluto Pete can always be an alternative to get your hands on such items... he'll probably add a little extra!
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awesome!! thanks!
by the way when purchasing with mercury, did you get the uncut flakes? ( i mean, was the fishscale available at that time for you?)
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Good work dude! After all that might wanna give your nose a bit of a rest hehe. Overall great qualitative tests my friend!
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Not really much point to it when batches change that often.
If you would have actually taken the time & effort to read the text, you would -without any doubt- have red this part also:
"Also, by now most of the batches that we tested will probably have been sold out by the vendors, but as written above: once a vendor has proven that he can get his hands on quality gear there is more chance that he has the contacts and the capacities to get it again. This doesn't give you a guarantee, but it's a good indication."
But thank you for your constructive input,
:o
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Test Conclusion: You got free coke.
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Test Conclusion: You got free coke.
Before writing this you might have taken the time & effort to read the original post where this "detail" was already cleared.
If you'd like to read it, here's the link: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=91822.0
In short: "Not all of the samples were paid for, but we did pay for most of them and we offered to pay for everything."
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clear this out (again).
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Oh, apologies I didn't realise you paid for some and didn't pay for others. That makes everything fair and balanced then!!!!
NOT
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Honestly, never seen such utter shite before, lol stupid school kids
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The test was not a "blind test", this means that we told the participants how we intended to test their product. If those vendors sent us very good stuff this will prove that they can get hold of good stuff, it doesn't guarantee that they will always send the best stuff in the best possible way to every customer, but there is always more chance that a vendor that CAN get hold of good stuff will send it to his customers, than a vendor that showed us he can't get hold of a decent product.
It's pretty evident that this test was not thought out properly from the very start, and the idea that because a dealer 'can' get good gear, that will effect the end result coming through a customers door is frankly ridiculous.
You got the vendors best coke, and in some cases for free, (which i think is very clever) but trying to explain away the HUGE holes in the methodology/approach to this experiment is pointless. It's not something that helps the customer, in fact if anything it misleads them.
Someone needs to do a real blind test, with lab results, rather than this effort, which proves absolutely nothing, other than you had a good Christmas.
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the last 3 messages that were posted here are not so nice, to our opinion...
we put a lot of time, money and effort in this test and tried to explain as good as possible what the logic behind it was.
if a vendor is truly good he will consistently send good stuff to his customers,
we just tried to fiend out what vendor COULD qualify as "truly good"
and now the test will have to be repeated (BLIND test this time) to see which vendor truly is good!
to our opinion this test has a value and might help people to make their choice,
but off course: "an opinion is like an ass, every one has one".
I hope at least some of you will appreciate the effort and the results of our investigation
but I can understand the skepticism (or even negative attitude) of some forum-members
that's why I would like to invite those "non-believers" to double check our results of the "top 5"
working together in a constructive manner can only add value to this test and to this forum
Best to all of you,
believers and non-believers :)
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You forgot the vendors with the best coke:
MMM & newamsterdam
and you had a bad opinion about frankm before the test, cause you had the -10% in your mind.......
I guess these 3 are the best, everybody has his pros, depending on what you were looking for....
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the last 3 messages that were posted here are not so nice, to our opinion...
we put a lot of time, money and effort in this test and tried to explain as good as possible what the logic behind it was.
if a vendor is truly good he will consistently send good stuff to his customers,
we just tried to fiend out what vendor COULD qualify as "truly good"
and now the test will have to be repeated (BLIND test this time) to see which vendor truly is good!
to our opinion this test has a value and might help people to make their choice,
but off course: "an opinion is like an ass, every one has one".
I hope at least some of you will appreciate the effort and the results of our investigation
but I can understand the skepticism (or even negative attitude) of some forum-members
that's why I would like to invite those "non-believers" to double check our results of the "top 5"
working together in a constructive manner can only add value to this test and to this forum
Best to all of you,
believers and non-believers :)
This has nothing to do with believing or not believing. Experiments are effective, or they are not, and most of the time this is down to the methods used to gather the data to come to the conclusion. Your methods are fundamentally flawed, making the experiment invalid...i.e pointless for anyone other than yourself. You've introduced so much bias into the experiment the results are utterly worthless.
This is nothing personal, i'm sure you're a nice person, but this experiment is not what people looking for a cocaine vendor need, especially people new to the road.
Hopefully one good thing is that someone else may learn from the mistakes made in this test and conduct one which can be of use.
If you're new to Silk Road and are reading this review, i strongly advise you do more research before ordering your C.
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Great to see im in the top 3 again.
I will always sell the same quality C
sometimes its hard to get the same quality
same smell same effect etcetera
i think it was a good idea to test all different vendors
and post the results
as you can see i also was in the top 2 of the cocainethread
hope you guys will enjoy sr for a long time
regards,mercury31
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well i think this was an interesting effort..I think if you had more post and was a hero member you would hold more weight. But none the less your efforts are not in vein. I think it takes people like you to do these things and its one more tool for us to use to figure out who has good blow. Plus if someone was really interested they could use your report and cross reference that with the seller reviews and come to their own conclusions, thanks it was good reading ;)
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Thank you guys for the positive reactions - much appreciated.
Thank you also for the nice PM's I got... (big smile).
I'm trying to give you the detailed scores in an excell sheet - I just hope it works...
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Damn, so I got this error message: "The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or contact an administrator."
Does anyone knows who I should contact to try'n solve this?
I'd like to be able to give you the detailed score without having to enter it manually...
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Thank you guys for the positive reactions - much appreciated.
Thank you also for the nice PM's I got... (big smile).
I'm trying to give you the detailed scores in an excell sheet - I just hope it works...
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Damn, so I got this error message: "The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or contact an administrator."
Does anyone knows who I should contact to try'n solve this?
I'd like to be able to give you the detailed score without having to enter it manually...
I don´t know how big the file is and what limit the servers here have, but maybe some option:
- save it as *.txt - much smaller
- maybe PDF-printer
- or JPEG (rg. Screenschot) and external file-hoster
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Since it's impossible to add an excellsheet, a pdf, a picture or whatsoever here I had to manually insert all the details of our test...but here they are, in case you'd like to see for yourself: (every score is on a maximum of 10, but for the "good sex" and "good breathing" we only worked with a -, /, +/-, + system).
FrankMatthews:
Packaging-how inventive: 7, Packaging-how good: 9, Product-first visual: 6, Product-first smell: 8, Product-first taste: 7.5, Product-feeling after a while: 8, Customer contact-how quick: 5, Customer contact-how constructive: 5, General look SR page: 5, good sex: -, good breathing (asthma): /
Charlieandmollie:
Packaging-how inventive: 6, Packaging-how good: 9, Product-first visual: 8, Product-first smell: 8.5, Product-first taste: 9, Product-feeling after a while: 10, Customer contact-how quick: 9, Customer contact-how constructive: 9, General look SR page: 7, good sex: -, good breathing (asthma): x
c63amg:
Packaging-how inventive: 9, Packaging-how good: 7, Product-first visual: 6, Product-first smell: 6, Product-first taste: 6, Product-feeling after a while: 6, Customer contact-how quick: 7, Customer contact-how constructive: 8, General look SR page: 8, good sex: -, good breathing (asthma): -
Bungee54:
Packaging-how inventive: 2, Packaging-how good: 8, Product-first visual: 6, Product-first smell: 7, Product-first taste: 8, Product-feeling after a while: 8.5, Customer contact-how quick: 9, Customer contact-how constructive: 9, General look SR page: 7, good sex: -, good breathing (asthma): +/-
Uglydoll:
Packaging-how inventive: 2, Packaging-how good: 8, Product-first visual: 7, Product-first smell: 7, Product-first taste: 8, Product-feeling after a while: 6, Customer contact-how quick: 9, Customer contact-how constructive: 7, General look SR page: 1, good sex: /, good breathing (asthma): x
Amsterdope 72%:
Packaging-how inventive: 4, Packaging-how good: 8, Product-first visual: 7.5, Product-first smell: 8.5, Product-first taste: 9, Product-feeling after a while: 5.5, Customer contact-how quick: 9, Customer contact-how constructive: 9, General look SR page: 6, good sex: +, good breathing (asthma): x
Amsterdope 83%
Packaging-how inventive: 4, Packaging-how good: 8, Product-first visual: 9, Product-first smell: 9, Product-first taste: 8, Product-feeling after a while: 10, Customer contact-how quick: 9, Customer contact-how constructive: 9, General look SR page: 6, good sex: -, good breathing (asthma): x
Mercury31
Packaging-how inventive: 9.5, Packaging-how good: 9.5, Product-first visual: 9, Product-first smell: 9.5, Product-first taste: 9, Product-feeling after a while: 9.5, Customer contact-how quick: 8, Customer contact-how constructive: 8, General look SR page: 7, good sex: -, good breathing (asthma): +/-
Supertrips
Packaging-how inventive: 9, Packaging-how good: 9, Product-first visual: 9.5, Product-first smell: 8, Product-first taste: 8.5, Product-feeling after a while: 6.5, Customer contact-how quick: 9, Customer contact-how constructive: 8, General look SR page: 4, good sex: /, good breathing (asthma): +
I'm also gone insert this detail in the original post...
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PineappleLove is testing C from different vendors,
some of it happens anonymously, some of it doesn't.
It's all about lab-testing.
DopeDistributor clearly had shitty stuff (I'm glad he never sent it to us).
Bungee54 doesn't score TOO bad...
have a look at his/her thread: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=108950.0
in time the list might get longer - that would give you a second test result to base your decision on...
Thankyou PineappleLove