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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: feverrey on February 04, 2012, 11:42 pm
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I just got my first resolution center notice. It was a blank request for 100% refund. The buyer has no previous purchase history and I know I sent him his order, so I ask for an extension and say that I sent the package and I'm not sure but I feel like I'm being scammed. The buyer responds a few hours later with a new request, now for 50%, stating that he actually did receive the package but it was 20%ish of what he ordered when he weighed the product.
I know for a fact that is a lie. I put 1-2% extra in every order, and if they are a repeat customer more.
I'm disputing it again, but I don't want to take the hit to my rating. This feels like blackmail.
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I'm only a buyer, but if you want an unbiased opinion:
I look at your profile and see you have loads of 5/5 feedback with no complaints about weight, in fact a couple say it was overweight. You say the buyer has no purchase history and has admitted that the package arrive, but is 80% short? If that was indeed the case then it would be logical to request an 80% refund surely? Only argument I could make for an honest mistake on both sides is if buyer ordered 5g of product and you mixed up your packages and sent him 1g, is that possible? Otherwise I would be voting for a scam.
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Definitely a scam. Just keep a record of all the communications, and present your case at the dispute. I am sure if they find him to be fraudulent, you can get the bad review erased.
The fact of the matter is hat he has clearly lied. And you can prove it. If he has lied, then no one's gonna believe anything else he says. I am referring to how he came in with a request of 100% refund at first, lying that he never got the product. Then changed his story and asked for a 50% refund. You have his lie on record. So, don't worry about it.
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I had 3 1/8ths of the strain the buyer ordered. all the bags were 3.6. He says he received less than a gram but I have never sold a single 1g of weed ever.
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I may be a new buyer for YOU, but I have been on the road since July. I use new buyer accounts for each new seller I deal with. I usually stay off of the forums altogether because of all the nonsense posted here constantly here. I am here today because of the customer appreciation sale, and I read your post asking for advice. the bag was light. end of story. You never replied when I PM'd you about it. I was pissed about the no responce, so I asked for 100%. your first reply was "I sent this. I think I am being scammed." to which I replied that yes you did send it, but it was light. that is why I PM'd you about it 3 days ago. I never called you a scam. I never said you didn't send it. I said it was light, because it was light. This is the reason I use new buyer accounts for new sellers. because so many of you bitch about how you can never make a mistake and that the buyers are trying to scam you. fuck it though, if you want to stand by your inability to make an error, keep the fucking money. it is a small amount.
***sorry, i read the 1g listing wrong, editing it out ****
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Give SR all the pertinent information and I'm sure they will side with you given the evidence. It's usually easy to tell who is legit and who is the scammer after reviewing the messages, forum posts, feedback, and stats of both members. SR is judge, jury, and executioner in this town. Don't go crazy. Just calmly and honestly tell your side of the story and present anything that shows the guy is trying to scam you to get free or discount drugs. Give them the DCN which you hopefully have and mention you've never sold the amount he's claiming you sent on SR.
I got a 100% refund from a vendor who sent a gram of fake meth that somehow took two weeks to get across the US. I even tested it to make sure it wasn't just really shitty and my tolerance was too high. They didn't even bother responding to the resolution. The other 100% refund I requested was for an order of meth (notice a pattern?) that never showed from a formerly trustworthy vendor who turned scammer on their way out. They didn't respond to the resolution either. (notice another pattern?) They raised my refund rate to over 8% because they weigh more recent purchases more than old ones similar to the method used to calculate vendor scores. I want as few refunds as possible, but I'll request one if a vendor completely rips me off and is dishonest with fake product or no product with no evidence of shipment. If it's not the seller's fault like a customs seizure I'll let it slide or accept a 50% refund if they offer it since I chose to take the risk ordering from another country.
Most of the vendors I use get delivery confirmation so they can prove they sent a package to the address they were given. It's proof you can show SR to combat these types of scams. Require new buyers to finalize early if you must to protect yourself. It might go against the original intent of SR, but things change as they evolve and rules might need to be adjusted along the way to adequately and fairly protect both buyers and sellers from thieves. Of course that package you can show was delivered to the buyers address with the DCN could be empty or filled with note cards or phone books. Who the fuck thinks of doing that kind of stuff?
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again, I never said It didn't show. not once. I never said he tried to scam me. not once. I pm'd him as soon as I weighed the order. it was light. he read the message, but never responded. that is what pissed me off. had he responded, I probably would have just finalized with the hopes of making it up on my next order. but when I put it in resolution, he replied calling me a scam. then when I replied about confirming delivery, but the order being light, he called me a scam again. He knew the issue with my order 3 days ago, before resolution, so I don't know why he is making accusations now.
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Like you, I haven't had many issues. For some reason, the scamming rate has gone way up lately. While I was 100 percent certain that the items arrived, I gave in. I WILL NOT DO THIS ANY MORE!! If im 100 percent confident that the items arrived in good condition, I won't be held hostage, this is exactly what they are doing. Since scammers are the minority, even if you do take a hit, I would explain it on your vendors page. Most SR'ers are smart. They will see thru the scam/lies..
If we, the vendors, don't stand up, we will be walked all over. This is why I always send via DCN and triple check all my packages and orders before being sent out. I know most vendors will just say, screw it and give in. If you dont give in, you will send notice to other scammers and I believe it will help in the long run.
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I am not scamming. I just posted a resolution for 0% refund if he thinks there is 0 chance of him making a mistake. I will leave 5/5 feedback to not hurt his reputation that "speaks for itself" with 2 months on the road and a link to this thread in the forums. future customers can do what they are going to do. it isn't about the money, cp, it's about the lack of response to my question, and calling a customer that had an issue that was easily resolved a scam over what 50 bucks. I don't care about the money, but new sellers whining about everyone out to scam them is just as bad of a problem here as scam sellers and scam buyers alike.
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I have had no private messages from you at all about this, I went back through my last month of messages to double check. I did make the assumption I was being scammed pretty quick off the bat, but you asked for a 100% refund with no reasoning. I only had 3 1/8ths of that strain, which were weighed into bags before you even bought them. I keep those bags in my safe and they are not part of my personal smoking stash. If you are truely not a scammer and really feel I have wronged you, I would gladly give you a discount on your next purchase or send you some goodies extra, etc.
I'm not trying to bust your balls, I just don't understand how you could claim the product was 80% short.
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Multiple accounts for each vendor screams "I scam people" to me. There is no good reason to do that. I bet if we saw your other accounts, they all have high refund rates.
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I use a new account for the first buy only. the reason I do this is. johnny law. if there is a cop selling on SR, and a customer with 50+ transactions places an order, that might raise a flag, because they might be buying more than personal amounts (which is the case with me). and 91 transactions in a month isn't a well enough established seller for me to trust as not a cop. but thanks for your input
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Fuck him......scammer.
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I am standing on fevrrey's side on this one. Anybody can make a mistake, especially somebody who sells massive amounts of shit, but it doesn't make sense that he would have weighed a bag so light. Like he said, he doesn't even sell that weight. He is not lying, why the fuck would someone who sells big all the time fuck around like this??
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This doesn't need to get nasty fellas. Because he was a unvetted buyer I came to the forums for advice. If I would have known you were someone who had been around I would have dealt with the situation entirely differently. I cannot imagine any possible scenario where I shorted you 80% of your ordered weed, unless someone took it out, took the weed out, then resealed it up... I cannot figure it.
However, because you are a vet and you are standing by your story, I am forced to believe in the old "the customer is always right" adage.
I don't really know how I should proceed from here.
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Your buyers stats show if you are a TRUSTED buyer. Starting over with every new vendor doesn't seem right to me either. I wouldn't call him a vet either.....prove it.
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I proved I wasn't scamming him by giving him the money. I said it before, and I will say it again. this was never about the money. I listed a request in resolution for 0% refund for him to accept if he "could do no wrong", and he accepted it. I haven't read alot of posts on here about scammers giving the option of no refund to sellers, and keeping their word about not trashing feedback. I left 5/5 feedback because I DID get my package, and it WAS what I ordered. It just was NOT the right amount. thats it.
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I don't really know what else to say dude.
I DO appreciate the 5/5 feeback, that was pretty nice of you considering the situation.
I really never got a PM from you and the 100% blank refund was the first I heard of it which is why it felt weird to me.
I don't want to take the chance that I am actually wrong even though I don't feel I am, so I am willing to work on making amends with you.
You can of course see where I am coming from as much as I see where you are coming from too though.
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I use a new account for the first buy only. the reason I do this is. johnny law. if there is a cop selling on SR, and a customer with 50+ transactions places an order, that might raise a flag, because they might be buying more than personal amounts (which is the case with me). and 91 transactions in a month isn't a well enough established seller for me to trust as not a cop. but thanks for your input
So you really think that cop will sell drugs on SR and had 50+ transactions?
How cops would do that - that is illegal and cops can not sell/send contraband by mail!
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I use a new account for the first buy only. the reason I do this is. johnny law. if there is a cop selling on SR, and a customer with 50+ transactions places an order, that might raise a flag, because they might be buying more than personal amounts (which is the case with me). and 91 transactions in a month isn't a well enough established seller for me to trust as not a cop. but thanks for your input
So you really think that cop will sell drugs on SR and had 50+ transactions?
How cops would do that - that is illegal and cops can not sell/send contraband by mail!
Sure they can. The Fed's can do pretty much whatever they want. The DEA sells drugs all of the time. Hell they even sell weapons all of the time. ;D
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Fun stuff isn't it. Just had a buyer approach me about this today. Said I came up 40% short on weight. I calibrate my equipment before weighing out orders and make sure every weight category at least looks the same before I start sending them out. I'm always 100% sober when I make orders, there's just not much to fuck up here, hell this is ain't rocket science, I think I can meter out a fucking bag properly. Everyone makes mistakes, but fuck, I just don't feel like I leave a lot of room for them. I'll give in this time but I think I'm going to change my policy. Anyone with less than 10 transactions total or less than 3 from me must do DCN or gets no refunds period.
Huge buzzkill.