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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: anaballin on February 23, 2012, 10:49 pm

Title: Using next door Neighbors WiFi - Good or bad idea?
Post by: anaballin on February 23, 2012, 10:49 pm
So I figured it could add an extra layer to security if I used my neighbors WiFi to connect. He doesn't have
a password for it.

Would this be a good or bad idea? Why?
Title: Re: Using next door Neighbors WiFi - Good or bad idea?
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on February 23, 2012, 10:53 pm
...i hope you changed your wifi card's mac address from the default?! -if not....disconnect....change it make it read totally diff dont just change a few chars....

 ;)
Title: Re: Using next door Neighbors WiFi - Good or bad idea?
Post by: PBucket on February 23, 2012, 10:55 pm
Tor seems good enough to not have to worry about using other peoples internet. More worry=more stress. Stress=death haha
Title: Re: Using next door Neighbors WiFi - Good or bad idea?
Post by: inscape on February 23, 2012, 11:01 pm
...i hope you changed your wifi card's mac address from the default?! -if not....disconnect....change it make it read totally diff dont just change a few chars....

 ;)

it's been my understanding that the MAC addy of one's comp gets trashed as soon as one connects to an external wireless network/router, ect, and that the only MAc addy that is then traceable would be the routers address, in this case, the neighbors MAC addy??
Title: Re: Using next door Neighbors WiFi - Good or bad idea?
Post by: QTC on February 23, 2012, 11:33 pm
Probably not a good idea: http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/07/ardolffedssentencingmemo.pdf

But the way he was caught wouldn't apply to Tor users so meh.
Title: Re: Using next door Neighbors WiFi - Good or bad idea?
Post by: Laughing Man on February 23, 2012, 11:47 pm
...i hope you changed your wifi card's mac address from the default?! -if not....disconnect....change it make it read totally diff dont just change a few chars....

 ;)

it's been my understanding that the MAC addy of one's comp gets trashed as soon as one connects to an external wireless network/router, ect, and that the only MAc addy that is then traceable would be the routers address, in this case, the neighbors MAC addy??
No. Every commercial router keeps logs of devices that connect to it, which is why you need to spoof your MAC address.
Title: Re: Using next door Neighbors WiFi - Good or bad idea?
Post by: v01d on February 23, 2012, 11:48 pm
...i hope you changed your wifi card's mac address from the default?! -if not....disconnect....change it make it read totally diff dont just change a few chars....

 ;)

it's been my understanding that the MAC addy of one's comp gets trashed as soon as one connects to an external wireless network/router, ect, and that the only MAc addy that is then traceable would be the routers address, in this case, the neighbors MAC addy??

Nope, routers log the MAC addresses of all devices that connect to it and the MAC address of a wireless card remains the same unless spoofed.
Title: Re: Using next door Neighbors WiFi - Good or bad idea?
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on February 24, 2012, 12:46 am
...expected this was connecting to your neighbours wifi router directly from a laptop say -so yes ...spoof / change the default MAC address,,,wouldnt mess with your
   router to their router...why change the MAC? -its evidence counting against you and if by chance they pair up your hardware with the neighbours logs = trouble..

Title: Re: Using next door Neighbors WiFi - Good or bad idea?
Post by: inscape on February 24, 2012, 01:13 am
on OSX, i used to use MacDaddy a few laptops back until it stopped working, then i switched to ChangeMac which worked at the time, but now it wont work on my new macbook (it does say it wont work on Macbook Pro's at least), but now MacDaddy "seems" to be working again and claims to to be changing my MAC addy...

but when i go into Terminal and enter: "ifconfig en1 | grep ether" (which is supposed to show your current MAC addy) it's still displaying my "real" MAC addy...

should i believe MacDaddy or the terminal command?? i'm guessing the Terminal, but from what i can tell, this might be the answer to the problem for anyone having problems running 10.5.6 or higher: http://osxdaily.com/2008/01/17/how-to-spoof-your-mac-address-in-mac-os-x/

(but does anyone know of another prgrm for OSX to spoof one's MAC addy, to avoid using the command line every time i log in? it would be nice just to set it as a "login item" to start automatically.)

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Note: Reader Dee Brown points out the following, which may help with some users having difficulties: “running 10.5.6 you need to do the trick to disassociate from the network. ****DO NOT TURN AIRPORT OFF****. What you will have to do is click your airport and click join network and enter some bogus name as the network ssid. Then while it’s trying to connect click cancel.At this point you may spoof using the sudo ifconfig en1 ether command”

other readers point out that Dee Brown’s trick works in 10.5.7 and above too. Thanks Dee!

Update: If you’re still having problems with MAC address spoofing in Leopard or Snow Leopard, the above method still works but try disassociating with any wireless network BUT keep your wireless Airport on (as mentioned above) – an easy way to do this is to type the following in the command line:

airport -z

Note that you have to have the ‘airport’ command setup to work for users, you can do that by copy and pasting this command into the Mac Terminal:

sudo ln -s /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Versions/Current/Resources/airport /usr/sbin/airport

Once disassociated from the network you should be able to spoof your MAC address as usual.