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Title: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: sofish89 on March 31, 2013, 04:13 pm
I see a couple of really high rated vendors in the top 1% who seem to mass produce NBOME at a cheap price and have listings for 100, 1000, and 10,000 tab listings plus custom listings if you message them. They say they have chemists who produce them and can make any design and make any amount on demand for any potential buyers.
So why doesnt someone do this with real LSD? I'm sure real LSD isnt too expensive too make if you have the right materials and the prices on SR are ridiculusly high for LSD (125 USD for a ten strip).
If someone can mass produce LSD and sell it for a third or even less than what people are currently charging, and sells the kind of bulk the NBOME ppl are selling, he can make a killing!
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: oneiroi on March 31, 2013, 04:33 pm
As far I remember LSD  production is much complex then NBOME. But it might  be a myth... ;)

I always wonder, how you ppl of 21 century can distinct that what you have taken is real LSD or not. You haven't even been in 90' when Research Chemicals was a novum.
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: phenbizz on March 31, 2013, 05:19 pm
nbome is a phenethylamine. LSD is an ergot based indole. Two totally different chems. LSD manufacture requires precursors that are near impossible to get ahold of to make in large amounts and the process takes much longer and requires much more precise measuring the the 2c family.
Easy to tell difference between the DOX's, nbomes, and real lsd. LSD you eat it in whatever form and you will be tripping within 30 to 90 minutes and it should last about 6-8 hours. Nbomes only dissolve in the mouth so if you just swallow it without keeping it under your tongue for an hour you won't trip. DOX's are very similar to LSD but last about twice as long. Then LSA just sux.
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: ruthenium on March 31, 2013, 06:02 pm
LSD is usually produced from ergotamine/ergometrine/lysergic acid.
NBOMes are produced from 2C-C/B/I etc with 2-hydroxybenzaldehyde.

Both should be taken very serious precautions before making them as touching the crystal alone or getting some dust on you could make you trip balls, that's how albert hoffmann found out ;)
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: AllDayLong on March 31, 2013, 06:35 pm
As far I remember LSD  production is much complex then NBOME. But it might  be a myth... ;)

I always wonder, how you ppl of 21 century can distinct that what you have taken is real LSD or not. You haven't even been in 90' when Research Chemicals was a novum.

For me, one time the guy I bought it from got busted a couple hours later, he made them test it hoping it wasn't LSD. It was LSD. Anyway, that trip is fuckin unmistakable.
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: wtfisgoingon on March 31, 2013, 07:04 pm
I always wonder, how you ppl of 21 century can distinct that what you have taken is real LSD or not. You haven't even been in 90' when Research Chemicals was a novum.

I'm sure almost anyone can tell real LSD from any other drug.. there is no other drug out there single or combo'd thats even slightly like real LSD. 

Night & day.
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: swishersweet on March 31, 2013, 07:15 pm
It's not that its any harder or any less hard its just that the chemicals are so hard to get a hold of man you have to know some extremely high-ups to get massive quantities, and If you get caught in the process of manufacturing--that is it its a wrap on AT LEAST the next 10 to 20 years of your life... selling this stuff isn't a game brother especially whilst gambling with the most precious thing you own(your life) and if I was the one putting my life on the line I sure as hell wouldn't give no fucks about getting out the lowest price possible,you know? just be happy its here and you have SR man ! LSD is so beautiful you shouldn't care about the prices. I mean in some places a gram of bud goes for $20! Tabs only go for 7-10 :) which is fucking cheap compared to most other substances, you feel me?
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: hee57 on April 02, 2013, 12:24 am
Easy to tell difference between the DOX's, nbomes, and real lsd. LSD you eat it in whatever form and you will be tripping within 30 to 90 minutes and it should last about 6-8 hours. Nbomes only dissolve in the mouth so if you just swallow it without keeping it under your tongue for an hour you won't trip. DOX's are very similar to LSD but last about twice as long. Then LSA just sux.

+1; Wish more people understood this. There's always so many posts on drug forums talking about how they're not sure if they took something other than lsd. Just gotta think about the times and ROA as well as the source.

In answer to OP's question, lsd is incredibly difficult to make even for experienced chemists let alone anyone else. Acquiring the precursors is difficult as well and there are stiff penalties if one is caught.
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: ProfADaemon on April 02, 2013, 11:46 pm

I'm sure almost anyone can tell real LSD from any other drug.. there is no other drug out there single or combo'd thats even slightly like real LSD. 

Night & day.

You obviously haven't tried many different psychedelics. For 15 years in the USA there have been millions of people who thought 5-MeO-AMT, DOB, DOC, and now 25I-NBOMe were LSD. There are a lot of people with acid stories that can be picked apart until you realize the duration and side effects mean it couldn't have truly been LSD, but they've been telling themselves and everyone they know that it was acid/LSD this entire time.
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: ruthenium on April 02, 2013, 11:54 pm

I'm sure almost anyone can tell real LSD from any other drug.. there is no other drug out there single or combo'd thats even slightly like real LSD. 

Night & day.

You obviously haven't tried many different psychedelics. For 15 years in the USA there have been millions of people who thought 5-MeO-AMT, DOB, DOC, and now 25I-NBOMe were LSD. There are a lot of people with acid stories that can be picked apart until you realize the duration and side effects mean it couldn't have truly been LSD, but they've been telling themselves and everyone they know that it was acid/LSD this entire time.

yeah, what about other stuff? like xtc that hasnt been mdma + binder only, alot..
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: Funbagz on April 03, 2013, 12:14 am
LSD production requires cultivating the toxic Egot fungus. I've read that it can be Cultivated but one would want to be very cautious doing so because Egot is responsible for warewolf and witch stores. It used to get into Bread and cause wild hallucinations. The process is for a Real Chemist, anything less will end up with toxic results.
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: stubbypete on April 03, 2013, 12:37 am
It's not that its any harder or any less hard its just that the chemicals are so hard to get a hold of man you have to know some extremely high-ups to get massive quantities, and If you get caught in the process of manufacturing--that is it its a wrap on AT LEAST the next 10 to 20 years of your life... selling this stuff isn't a game brother especially whilst gambling with the most precious thing you own(your life) and if I was the one putting my life on the line I sure as hell wouldn't give no fucks about getting out the lowest price possible,you know? just be happy its here and you have SR man ! LSD is so beautiful you shouldn't care about the prices. I mean in some places a gram of bud goes for $20! Tabs only go for 7-10 :) which is fucking cheap compared to most other substances, you feel me?

This is the reason.  Frankly, cooking NBOME isn't really hard at all and getting the precursors is a cinch.
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: Sensei on April 03, 2013, 02:53 am
nbome is a phenethylamine. LSD is an ergot based indole. Two totally different chems. LSD manufacture requires precursors that are near impossible to get ahold of to make in large amounts and the process takes much longer and requires much more precise measuring the the 2c family.
Easy to tell difference between the DOX's, nbomes, and real lsd. LSD you eat it in whatever form and you will be tripping within 30 to 90 minutes and it should last about 6-8 hours. Nbomes only dissolve in the mouth so if you just swallow it without keeping it under your tongue for an hour you won't trip. DOX's are very similar to LSD but last about twice as long. Then LSA just sux.

Basically this, that's why I appreciate the whole LSD scene extremely much people that are making it all happen are really special people.
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: billiken on April 03, 2013, 07:49 pm
nbome is a phenethylamine. LSD is an ergot based indole. Two totally different chems. LSD manufacture requires precursors that are near impossible to get ahold of to make in large amounts and the process takes much longer and requires much more precise measuring the the 2c family.
Easy to tell difference between the DOX's, nbomes, and real lsd. LSD you eat it in whatever form and you will be tripping within 30 to 90 minutes and it should last about 6-8 hours. Nbomes only dissolve in the mouth so if you just swallow it without keeping it under your tongue for an hour you won't trip. DOX's are very similar to LSD but last about twice as long. Then LSA just sux.

Basically this, that's why I appreciate the whole LSD scene extremely much people that are making it all happen are really special people.

Amen
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: wtfisgoingon on April 04, 2013, 05:23 am

I'm sure almost anyone can tell real LSD from any other drug.. there is no other drug out there single or combo'd thats even slightly like real LSD. 

Night & day.

You obviously haven't tried many different psychedelics. For 15 years in the USA there have been millions of people who thought 5-MeO-AMT, DOB, DOC, and now 25I-NBOMe were LSD. There are a lot of people with acid stories that can be picked apart until you realize the duration and side effects mean it couldn't have truly been LSD, but they've been telling themselves and everyone they know that it was acid/LSD this entire time.

Lol.. You're joking right? None of those feel like LSD, not 1 is close. I doubt you'll find any truly experienced people to back you up. Unless you're referring to someone who has never taken real LSD being tricked.. If so clearly that is possible.

Perhaps you can't tell, i have a hard time believing anyone could possibly be fooled that knows real LSD because there is nothing like it.

Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: leavesbrown on April 04, 2013, 08:31 am
Um, do you not think that the fact the NBOMes are not actually illegal in most countries including the US has an effect on the prices when compared to LSD?

You can set up a factory legally as opposed to a homebrewed LSD lab.
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: phenbizz on April 06, 2013, 01:24 am
1. lsd is much harder to make as it takes longer and is much harder to obtain the precursors for. Plus it has way more steps according to shulgin in order to create a truly pure substance.
2. I have put multiple people out of business in my state by simply testing what, on multiple occasions, was the best lsd in the area. I didn't do this to harm anyones business but to simply test before buying bulk.

I have seen many people who claim to know how to make lsd and who claim it takes them 10 tabs get high proved wrong an uncountable amount of times at festivals. Seems like the latest trick last year was telling people it had been filtered through mint????wtf. obviously a pg or vg fluid with mint to cover up the nasty taste with some nbome in there.
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: AllDayLong on April 06, 2013, 08:09 am

I'm sure almost anyone can tell real LSD from any other drug.. there is no other drug out there single or combo'd thats even slightly like real LSD. 

Night & day.

You obviously haven't tried many different psychedelics. For 15 years in the USA there have been millions of people who thought 5-MeO-AMT, DOB, DOC, and now 25I-NBOMe were LSD. There are a lot of people with acid stories that can be picked apart until you realize the duration and side effects mean it couldn't have truly been LSD, but they've been telling themselves and everyone they know that it was acid/LSD this entire time.

Lol.. You're joking right? None of those feel like LSD, not 1 is close. I doubt you'll find any truly experienced people to back you up. Unless you're referring to someone who has never taken real LSD being tricked.. If so clearly that is possible.

Perhaps you can't tell, i have a hard time believing anyone could possibly be fooled that knows real LSD because there is nothing like it.

Yeah, that's the problem with this drug war. LSD is the one everybody hears stories about, so it's the one that everybody wants to buy. Well, people don't have LSD so they sell them what ever the fuck they have on hand and say it is LSD. If they've never tripped then they have no idea, let's remember most people aren't online looking up details. And these people have no clue wtf they are on. Need to just regulate this shit.
Title: Re: Is LSD that much harder to make than NBOME ?
Post by: Twelve_Pickles on April 08, 2013, 12:21 pm
That LSD & its precursors have been internationally criminalized for over 40 years combined with the newness of Nbome and the fact that global laws are still pretty slow to catch on to this new drug aswell as China being a major player in the production and distribution of RC's (China being miles ahead of the game) should add some clarity into this argument.