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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: SteelMerc on March 17, 2013, 01:10 am

Title: Making a drop
Post by: SteelMerc on March 17, 2013, 01:10 am
I know that one of the safest ways to receive packages from SR is through a drop address. I've been thinking about making one myself, and was wondering if anyone had any information on the process.
Is it an instant thing, does it cost, etc.
Thanks guys  :)
Title: Re: Making a drop
Post by: robotrippin on March 17, 2013, 10:20 pm
Did you actually search the forum? There are multiple threads about this.
Title: Re: Making a drop
Post by: stemcell on March 17, 2013, 11:46 pm
should you search drop addresses or is there anothe specific term that is used?

Thanks
Title: Re: Making a drop
Post by: lokiju on March 20, 2013, 08:42 pm
If you are in the US (seems this would work in other countries too) go downtown to where people are in need of money give a guy who has a driver's license and secondary ID some cash ($40 or $50 works for me) and you both go into a privately owned (I'd stay away from United States Postal Service-they aren't open 24 hrs. a day) place like the UPS store with mailboxes. The cheapest place that I have found have been NOT chain stores like UPS, a small mom and pop place. The prices average about $15/month for a small box up to around $30/mo for a larger box, plus there's a deposit of $10 for key and another $10 for a key to the store so you can go into the store at 3 am if you like.
I like to pick people who appear not to own a car, and go to the other side of town and get these people. And I don't let the mail sit there longer that it needs to be. Get a throw away phone that you only use for this app, and give the number to the lady who gives you the key so that she can call you when a package arrives.
Easy, peasy.
Title: Re: Making a drop
Post by: stemcell on March 21, 2013, 02:53 am
thats a terrible idea no offense. just becuase you use someone elses id does not mean you cant get in trouble if LE sits on the box they just wait for you to walk out with the pack in hand. now your hit with another charge for fraudulent id. not to mention you cant just find some guy with an id, it has to look like you to get the people in the store to think its you. Have you actually done this or did you see it in a drug movie? This has so many holes its not even funny. first rule, never get your hands dirty. how about you pay that person without a car to open a box and recieve the pack? thats safer than what you listed above but still not the best idea.
Title: Re: Making a drop
Post by: sleepyeyes2k2 on March 21, 2013, 03:37 am
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If you are in the US (seems this would work in other countries too) go downtown to where people are in need of money give a guy who has a driver's license and secondary ID some cash

Not exactly.  Leave other people out of it.  Because, trust me, that guy with an ID who just rides a bike got that way because his license is revoked, and he's got tons of legal problems.  The next time he gets arrested, he's going to offer you up on a platter in the hopes that it will help him (even though it won't, but you're still screwed). 

Go to Walgreens, or Wal-Mart, or one of the thousands of places that takes passport photos.  Tell them that you just want the digital copy.  It should cost you about $5 for a CD.  Then, find a vendor who sells fake IDs.  I'm sorry to say there's none I can personally recommend on the Road; maybe others can.  The vendor I bought mine from no longer has a working thermal printer.  Anyway, expect to pay about $150.  Once you've decided on a vendor, make up a person.  If you're not that creative, use (clearnet warning) fakenamegenerator.com.  But, you can also use Google to find a valid address, if you want to add a little more authenticity.  Send the vendor the info and your pic with a scan of your fake name signature, and in about a week, you can go to the next town over, and open that box yourself. 

Drops are the holy grail of a number of fraudulent and illegal activities.  There are no quick fixes, cheap methods, or easy tutorials.  It's trial and error.  Take the "mom & pop" mailbox store, for example.  In many areas, the UPS Store has run them all out of business.  But, let's say they exist in your area, and you are allowed to pay by the month (at the UPS Store, it's about $95 a year, paid up front).  Well, they know when you have mail.  And, maybe mom and pop's son is a cop.  And, maybe they think your package smells like weed.  What do you think they're going to do?  They might just call their son, who arranges for a dog, and they "deliver" the package to the box when the dog arrives.  The dog alerts on the box, giving LE probable cause for a search warrant of the box, and they open the package (very carefully), find the weed, reseal, and park an unmarked outside.  When you come get your mail, they go arrest you for possession.  It's happened. 

A good drop can go bad in a heartbeat.  You have to be willing to walk away from a $100 investment, sometimes.  You have to be willing to use recently empty houses, churches, businesses with odd hours, to meet the mailman.  And, on the Road, a lot of vendors don't release tracking info, so you don't know for sure when it's going to arrive.  So, ask.  Like I said, drops are the holy grail.  If you find a good method, don't tell anyone.  Just use it until it stops working, because eventually, it will.
Title: Re: Making a drop
Post by: lokiju on March 22, 2013, 10:22 pm
Anything can go bad.
Unless you are talking volume, I don't think LE is going to drop everything and stake out of mailbox. Unless  you're getting investigated anyway.
I'm more concerned about a dealer getting busted someday, and he's got these messages on his computer. I wouldn't want one of those messages to be my address.
Yes, I did do the other guy's ID. It worked for a year, I got a lot of stuff that I'm no longer even slightly worried about getting tracked. The place went out of business, but it's for the good anyway. I plan to do the same soon.
I'm not worried about looking like the person with the ID. The owner's don't care, as long as they get their money. The lady of course realized I was the one using the box later, when I showed up.
What I did can be duplicated by anybody, it's easy, fairly cheap. The fake ID idea is great, if you know a good place to get one. I heard silk road people sell them here (actually that's how I found silk road, a journalist wrote a article. He ended and said that the ID was ok, not perfect, and would probably work for somebody under 21 who wanted to buy alcohol) A problem is that the fake ID people usually do a bunch of different types, all over the world, and somebody who knows all the features of a legitimate ID, like when you take a airline flight, probably wouldn't be fooled)
Another reason I like my idea is sometimes the 'perfect is the enemy of the good'. Doing anything other than giving your own address is better than not.
I'd stay away from the 'big' stores like UPS. The owners of the small stores are (IMO) grateful for the business and it's cheaper in every case too.
Title: Re: Making a drop
Post by: sleepyeyes2k2 on March 23, 2013, 02:59 am
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Unless you are talking volume, I don't think LE is going to drop everything and stake out of mailbox. Unless  you're getting investigated anyway.

I was a cop for 10 years, buddy.  In the scenario above, as soon as the dog alerts, they will stake out the box.  They may already be confirming the address the mailbox service has on file for you, and are writing the search warrant for your home.  Why?  Because you are on the receiving end of trafficking controlled substances through the mail.  You think LE isn't going to "drop everything" for that?  They don't have to drop anything.   They just have to do their jobs.

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A problem is that the fake ID people usually do a bunch of different types, all over the world, and somebody who knows all the features of a legitimate ID, like when you take a airline flight, probably wouldn't be fooled)

You only buy from well-reviewed vendors, and nobody flies on a fake ID, genius.  You don't try to open a bank account on one, either, and please don't give it to the cop who pulled you over for speeding.  But, it will get you the drop that happens to be the subject of this thread.  You can buy burner phones with them a little more cheaply (buy at walmart.com for cheaper than in store, pick-up in store, and your pickup person is your fake ID.  Plus, if someone wonders why you're buying 3 phones, and your "They're gifts" answer isn't good enough, if they call the cops you're fine). 

In my area, there isn't a mom-and-pop mailbox service for 100 miles.  UPS and the USPS have run them all out of business.  The small stores have a bad habit of going out of business, regardless of where you live.  So, there's that.  But, yeah, support the little guy, and all that.  I'd probably have an account at one if I could find one.  The one 100 miles from here doesn't have any free boxes.  lol

I'll say it again.  Good drops are hard to come by. 
Title: Re: Making a drop
Post by: Holly on March 23, 2013, 06:17 am
Find a way to jam all GPS and radiowaves in the entire block radius ... easier said than done.  But you should consider bringing a bag lined with something that will block electromagnetic waves and things like that, that way when they put their gps sensor in the box, you should disappear within mass transit like a shopping mall or something and escape