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Market => Product requests => Topic started by: elmovaage on February 29, 2012, 11:43 am
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Hello
I am interested in buying TMA2 (2,4,5-trimethoxyamphetamine) and MMA (3-Methoxy-4-methylamphetamine) in smaller quantities, about 1 - 5g.
I only have access to these chemicals in bulk as custom synthesis in the 500g range, which is way too much for my current needs, I've been in the RC business for many years, and i've never come across a vendor selling these chemicals in smaller quantities, and i've always been very eager to try them, so i would very much appreciate any help with either of these :)
- Elmo Vaage
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I'm also very much interested in trimethoxyamphetamines (mainly TMA and TMA-2). You should check out GammaGoblin's collection:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=9025.0
He should be able to help you out with the TMA-2 ;). I'm keeping an eye on it too.
Whereas 3-MeO-4-Me-amphetamine (MMA) may be a bit harder to find
Good luck!
Side note: I prefer the term meta-methoxy-para-methyl-amphetamine because "...-4-methylamphetamine" makes it sound like an incorrect name for 2-methoxy-methamphetamine/2-methoxy-N-methylamphetamine, something which has no recreational value at all. But I'm weird like that. ::)
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I'm also very much interested in trimethoxyamphetamines (mainly TMA and TMA-2). You should check out GammaGoblin's collection:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=9025.0
He should be able to help you out with the TMA-2 ;). I'm keeping an eye on it too.
Whereas 3-MeO-4-Me-amphetamine (MMA) may be a bit harder to find
Good luck!
Side note: I prefer the term meta-methoxy-para-methyl-amphetamine because "...-4-methylamphetamine" makes it sound like an incorrect name for 2-methoxy-methamphetamine/2-methoxy-N-methylamphetamine, something which has no recreational value at all. But I'm weird like that. ::)
Is there any official term for that second one, then? I'm waiting on gg for some of the TMA-2 as well, but I haven't heard of MMA or the other names you guys gave for it.
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It'd just be MMA in the right context, as far as I know.
And 3-methoxy-4-methylamphetamine out of context.
Alexander Shulgin refers to it as MMA when talking about the original appearance of it in Italy (side-note in PiHKAL #123 MEPEA).
And David E. Nichols just calls it 1(3-Methoxy-4-methylphenyl)-2-aminopropane, and refers to it as compound 6 in his first synthesis and bio-assay of it (J. Med. Chem. 1991, Vol. 34, No. 5, pp 1662-1668. has quite a bit of information about it, as well as the synthesis). ;)
It's supposed to be a non-neurotoxic MDMA substitute.
R-MMA and S-MMA have similar potencies but different durations apparently.
It is very similar to MDMA and MBDB (but without the neurotoxicity). Recreates some effects of LSD. Doesn't substitute in for amphetamine though.
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Very interesting. With those properties, I'm surprised I haven't seen it around before. Or at least heard of it before.
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I always heard MMA used in reference to meta-methoxyamphetamine.
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I always heard MMA used in reference to meta-methoxyamphetamine.
Yeah, meta-methoxyamphetamine is more suited as "MMA", IMO.
Add a methyl group to the "MMA" (meta-methoxyamphetamine) (at the phenyl para- position) and you get "MMA" (3-methoxy-4-methyl-amphetamine). Ha. :P
It's odd that some substituted amphetamines use numbers in their abbreviations, and others don't. Something like 2-fluoroamphetamine is the same as ortho-fluoroamphetamine (2-FA/OFA), 4-fluoroamphetamine is para-fluoroamphetamine (4-FA/PFA), 4-bromoamphetamine is para-bromoamphetamine (4-BA/PBA) and so on.
But the common terms are 2-FA, 4-FA and PBA (why not 4-BA?). ::)
MMA could also refer to 2, 3 or 4-methoxymethamphetamine, to 2, 3, or 4-methylmethamphetamine, or to 2, 3 or 4-methoxy, 2, 3 or 4-methylamphetamine (but obviously not 3,4, 2,2, 3,3 or 4,4) and meta-methylamphetamine. Just for amphetamines. Some 12 other chemicals, and probably a lot more.
Context makes a big impact.
That's why we have IUPAC names. 8)
And tordemon, I haven't seen it around anywhere either. :o
I think it's pretty difficult to compete or even compare with MDMA (not from a toxic-and-dirt-cheap-club-substitute perspective though), even with non-neurotoxic equivalents. MDMA was synthesized first in 1912, and first studied in 1927.
The non-neurotoxic equivalents like MMA here and MDAI (5,6-Methylenedioxy-2-aminoindane) were synthesized much, much later (1970's for MMA, 1990's for MDAI) and a lot of them weren't studied properly until 1991. Actually, many of them were first analyzed by David E. Nichols who specifically looked for non-neurotoxic empathogens. ;)
Plus they're technically still 'research chemicals' because there hasn't been a huge amount of human testing, they could have some serious long-term effects (but none have been found in the past 20 years).
I can't see MMA (3-methoxy-4-methyl-amphetamine ::)) becoming anything more than a niche designer drug though, because it has a very long duration (some 12-16 hours apparently). MDAI has roughly the same duration as MDMA, but the effects are closer to MBDB.
And many people don't really prioritize the "not neurotoxic" property, even when they're taking 10x their first MDMA dose just to get a tingling. ::)
But I'm just talking arbitrary things now...
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I mean I'm very much interested in those non-neurotoxic analogues. Not that I take any stimulants with any regularity, but I like the exploration in and of itself. I'll have to look into this Nichols guy some more; is he kinda like the Shulgin of empathogens? That's what he sounds like based on that short description.