Silk Road forums

Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: oldmate on March 23, 2013, 05:43 am

Title: Stealth packaging
Post by: oldmate on March 23, 2013, 05:43 am
What would you consider the minimum standard for a package sent overseas?
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: tommytucka on March 23, 2013, 05:56 am
Minimum standard in what respect? Stealth can come in a whole lot of forms, so I guess my minimum standard is...reasonably stealthy. Not trying to be a jackass, I just don't really understand what you're asking.

Edit: these two below me are much more helpful, especially Taklamak4n. Listen to them. I agree with T -- depends entirely on what you are sending/receiving.
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: Taklamak4n on March 23, 2013, 06:55 am
Depends entirely what you are sending. If it says in your letter it contains pencils, when it very evidently contains powder, that's not stealth (some countries x-ray foreign mail). If your merchandise is smelly by its nature (such as cannabis), I'm sure your customer would appreciate if you package it appropriately. I'm not in cannabusiness, but if I'll ever start sending out that stuff, I'll put it in opaque MBB bag with a fake label, mark the letter as "dryed herbs" and make it look like it came from a reputable producer of organic herbs. That setup takes some time, but once it is ready, it is not much more time consuming than shipping non-stealth.
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: ELAV8 on March 23, 2013, 06:59 am
I usually get mine double vac sealed due to the detectability (Amphetamines), comes usually wrapped in fake documents or ripped chucks of cardboard. I only get maximum 50g though in 1 letter cause anything over that I feel is a bit too much for 1 letter - most vendors will work with you to split the other, most times for free including express post costs!! Only if you order bulk like I do though xD
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: oldmate on March 23, 2013, 07:12 am
any one in australia got anything to share?

You will usually have a 30% success rate getting things in to Australia because they scan so many items. This is my experience though and I don't think my vendors put enough effort into stealth.
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: BKisnotBurgerKing on March 23, 2013, 08:47 am
My 2 cents on overseas shipping: if it is properly disguised in letter mail, it will clear customs with very fast and I have had orders from France to the West Coast US take 4 days no shit. If you can properly disguise your product with a thick piece of cardstock or two thin pieces of cardboard and maybe an unscented dryer sheet on each inside of the cardboard. Bottom line don't make it too thick, but make sure your product can't be felt easily through the outside of the envelope. Also, I would recommend a windowed envelope and make sure the delivery address shows and the return address shows (business name and address is the smartest. Seeal the envelope with a sponge and water (DNA) and add postage and tracking how ever see fit.
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: oldmate on March 23, 2013, 08:57 am
That's a good one to know, I just stress because Australian Customs have really picked up their act lately and are scanning a lot more letters. I used to get a lot through, but not now.
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: ELAV8 on March 23, 2013, 08:59 am
any one in australia got anything to share?

You will usually have a 30% success rate getting things in to Australia because they scan so many items. This is my experience though and I don't think my vendors put enough effort into stealth.

My post above yours :)
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: ThreeKings on March 23, 2013, 03:00 pm
Yes, Australia does scan a lot, but they use ion smellers to detect possible contaminated packages.. So even a small dust on a letter can make whole bunch of leters look suspicios and they should be scaned individualy.
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: Taklamak4n on March 23, 2013, 03:25 pm
Ion scanner... I guess mailing will no longer be an option once this technology advances.
http://www.smithsdetection.com/IONSCAN_500DT.php
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: ladyjane on March 23, 2013, 03:38 pm
Order from a vendor who is known for having legendary stealth and find out, thats the best way.  The best stealth is when  you get the package and dont realise its SR.
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: Taklamak4n on March 24, 2013, 08:40 am
We dont have a domestic vendor here. i dont know if it was pure bad luck. but, i lost 4 orders out of total 4 orders.
What kind of stuff were you ordering? If cannabis, I'm sure it is easier and less risky if you start growing it yourself.
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: frank88 on March 24, 2013, 08:48 am
We dont have a domestic vendor here. i dont know if it was pure bad luck. but, i lost 4 orders out of total 4 orders.
What kind of stuff were you ordering? If cannabis, I'm sure it is easier and less risky if you start growing it yourself.
It was four different stimulants.

no way you can grow here. it is suicide mission lol.
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: Taklamak4n on March 24, 2013, 09:07 am
no way you can grow here. it is suicide mission lol.
Not even in your own home, inside a cupboard, closet etc? There are very innovative methods requiring not much room.

Research chemicals/designer drugs are produced in huge quantities in China. A lot of merchandise travels between China and Korea, so it is surprising you don't have those available.
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: tommytucka on March 24, 2013, 11:44 am
Anyone in Korea got anything to share?

We dont have a domestic vendor here.

i dont know if it was pure bad luck. but, i lost 4 orders out of total 4 orders.

at least, 3 of em' are customs seizure for sure.

i am wondering anyone really had success with shipping to Korea.

this is really depressing. lol.

That's brutal, sorry to hear that. I obviously don't know all the details, but it's not a great idea to keep ordering after one gets seized.
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: PaperBoyz on March 24, 2013, 03:56 pm
Vac seal or use nylon bags.
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: bayUK on March 24, 2013, 04:43 pm
MBB - moisture barrier bags
Mylar bags
Heat seal foil bags

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=119458.0
 :)
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: elijah on March 24, 2013, 04:53 pm
australia is becoming mission impossible to ship too, double vac minumum, we should come up with new stealth technologies !  !!
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: PlutoPete on March 24, 2013, 04:55 pm
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=119458.0
everything you need to know about stealth packaging can be found here :)
Things like drier sheets and carbon paper don't work, vac sealing can be useful for compressing a package for shipping but it isn't smellproof and should only be used in tandem with a moisture barrier bag :)
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: Smarties on March 24, 2013, 05:02 pm
I wouldn't fancy growing weed if I lived somewhere like Korea. Possible death penalty maybe I'm not sure?
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: ThreeKings on March 24, 2013, 05:17 pm
Its already being widly used.
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: MrBacon on March 24, 2013, 05:19 pm
Sure, it depends the quantity
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: ChewbaccaDefense on March 24, 2013, 05:23 pm
Having amusing stealth is a bonus. Still new around here, but I do like receiving packages that are a laugh when they end up in the mailbox.

Only ordered domestic so far though, still scared to test customs until I find a tried and true seller overseas.
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: SRSuperfly on March 24, 2013, 11:29 pm
The ion detection is what they use at the airports (that millimeter detector has it in there). Moisture barrier bags are the best method of stealth protection against dogs/detectors.
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: Taklamak4n on March 25, 2013, 09:13 am
How long do you guys think it will be before this is used? Will this be the end of mailing drugs?
As already said, ion detectors are already being used.. However, not all packages are scanned with it, only the ones that are suspicious (e.g. marked by a dog). It is not difficult to envision that once this technology advances, a lot more mail, perhaps all, will be automatically scanned. Also the detection capability improves. We're not there yet, luckily.

The next big thing in smuggling is drones. Check Skywalker X-8 for example, it is capable and very affordable. Payload is already 1-2 kilos, but range needs to be improved. In many cases it would be useful already now. Flying above a border at night, automatic landing at specified GPS point...

Sorry, that was off-topic.
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: dryice on March 25, 2013, 09:31 am
Yeah Australia is really full on trying to get anything in. I know a group who where importing research chems and the feeds set a a full surveillance team to watch them around the clock. They all got done for import and for pressing pills. lucky I never worked with em.
 
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: newbottles on March 26, 2013, 11:50 pm
Avoiding international orders if possible is the safest way.

This thread has a ton of eye opening info:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=94730
Title: Re: Stealth packaging
Post by: weed4me6969 on March 27, 2013, 12:10 am
anyone recommend any vendors with absolete stealth with marijuana.