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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: valakki on January 21, 2013, 09:49 pm
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How many chemicals can they identify and find?
anyone knows anything about this subject?
Thanks for all the answers!
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Each dog is trained to smell one single drug.
Cocaine
Heroin
Cannibas
are the three most common - Although, X, speed and the likes are really just as popular.
Some dogs are trained to react to the dog handlers actions, like if they tug the lead a certain way, then the dog knows that it's time to do what it was trained to do, which could be to sit next to a person the handlers suspects to have drugs, or to start barking.
Often this is what they do at festivals/train-stations/airports, they don't have a dog searching for a single drug, instead they just make the dog react near people they think look dodgy, just so they have a liable reason to search.
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Some dogs are trained to react to the dog handlers actions, like if they tug the lead a certain way, then the dog knows that it's time to do what it was trained to do, which could be to sit next to a person the handlers suspects to have drugs, or to start barking.
Often this is what they do at festivals/train-stations/airports, they don't have a dog searching for a single drug, instead they just make the dog react near people they think look dodgy, just so they have a liable reason to search.
That is very interesting! sadly this happens with me a lot. on trains. Sometimes the handlers just make the dog sit up next to me. One even licked my face once!
So when they come and bring the dog first its usually scare tactics and when they search you first and bring the dog later then its searching for chemicals?
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Some dogs are trained to react to the dog handlers actions, like if they tug the lead a certain way, then the dog knows that it's time to do what it was trained to do, which could be to sit next to a person the handlers suspects to have drugs, or to start barking.
Often this is what they do at festivals/train-stations/airports, they don't have a dog searching for a single drug, instead they just make the dog react near people they think look dodgy, just so they have a liable reason to search.
That is very interesting! sadly this happens with me a lot. on trains. Sometimes the handlers just make the dog sit up next to me. One even licked my face once!
So when they come and bring the dog first its usually scare tactics and when they search you first and bring the dog later then its searching for chemicals?
Kinda'.. At things like airports they will have dogs trained to smell different explosives/drugs.
But then they will usually have a dog trained just to react when told to, so that if they see someone/something suspicious they will actually have grounds to search.
At things like festivals, they will usually only carry the dogs that are trained to react - over in the UK, it's estimated that 1 in 5 people carry drugs in to a festival.. But how many arrests do you actually see?
If you are expected to be a heroin dealer, and the LE raid you for dealing heroin - they'll probably bring a dog trained to find heroin.
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As far as I've been told and from what I've read, standard US certification for a detector dog may include:
heroin
cocaine
methamphetamine
cannabis (this is maybe about to be a problem in WA/CO)
sometimes MDMA
These are the items listed most often on certification, but they can certainly be trained to recognize anything else, I have trained my pet dogs to recognize the scent of cinnamon, my car keys, single malt, and baking powder... uh, not all at the same time, I have not yet had to teach my pets to find me while drunk, driving, and making cinnamon rolls.
Some certifications in North America will take two drugs (cocaine and heroin, cocaine and cannabis, etc.) as a minimum, but in my very limited experience, the dogs always know at least two and usually more. However, the dogs I've met have probably been rockstar dogs, since they are being used for demos/teaching, so Slicksuit may have a better handle on the real world. The cert standards I've seen usually identify two drugs as a minimum, I might be reading extra-tough standards. The demo dogs I've watched can usually ID at least 3 of the above.
Reason had a short article that included a nice overview of cues (conscious/unconscious) and the Clever Hans problem... here.
clearnet link -- hzzp://reason.com/archives/2011/02/21/the-mind-of-a-police-dog
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I was just reading a case about a man who was pulled over and the officer thought that he smelled marijuana. So the officer calls a k9 unit to come do a search, he immediately alerts on the trunk. The officer opens the trunk and finds two pounds of crystal meth, or something like that. It is still going through the court system but the defendant thinks he can get off because the dog was only called in because the officer thought he smelled marijuana. It is now a question of an unlawful search, should the cop been able to detain the man and wait for the k9, or even call the k9 in the first place if all he smelled was weed? this is taking place in Colorado where weed is now legal.
oh, and he got pulled over because his tabs were expired
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I was just reading a case about a man who was pulled over and the officer thought that he smelled marijuana. So the officer calls a k9 unit to come do a search, he immediately alerts on the trunk. The officer opens the trunk and finds two pounds of crystal meth, or something like that. It is still going through the court system but the defendant thinks he can get off because the dog was only called in because the officer thought he smelled marijuana. It is now a question of an unlawful search, should the cop been able to detain the man and wait for the k9, or even call the k9 in the first place if all he smelled was weed? this is taking place in Colorado where weed is now legal.
oh, and he got pulled over because his tabs were expired
well i think he is still fucked.. unlawful search or not they did find the meth....
thanks for all the answers.
is there any info about dogs finding Mephedrone or 2c or DMT? or anything that is not "mainstream"?
Is there a chance that dogs can smell chemicals on me after i used them?
Lets say i snort coke all Wednesday and i get searched on Saturday. I'm not holding but the dog is right in my face.
Can it smell the coke i snorted ?
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I was just reading a case about a man who was pulled over and the officer thought that he smelled marijuana. So the officer calls a k9 unit to come do a search, he immediately alerts on the trunk. The officer opens the trunk and finds two pounds of crystal meth, or something like that. It is still going through the court system but the defendant thinks he can get off because the dog was only called in because the officer thought he smelled marijuana. It is now a question of an unlawful search, should the cop been able to detain the man and wait for the k9, or even call the k9 in the first place if all he smelled was weed? this is taking place in Colorado where weed is now legal.
oh, and he got pulled over because his tabs were expired
Sounds like what I was talking about earlier - It's likely the dog actually smelt nothing, officers just forced a reaction so that they had grounds to search the vehicle, LE can be scummy bastards sometimes.
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Sounds like what I was talking about earlier - It's likely the dog actually smelt nothing, officers just forced a reaction so that they had grounds to search the vehicle, LE are scummy bastards.
fixed ;)
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Sounds like what I was talking about earlier - It's likely the dog actually smelt nothing, officers just forced a reaction so that they had grounds to search the vehicle, LE are scummy bastards.
fixed ;)
Haha! Took me a whole 10 minutes to realize what you had changed.
Read it over about 15 times, and was like "what the fuck is this guy talking about, he didn't change anything!"
But yes, most LE are total egotistic dick-heads, although I have met a couple who were alright.
Well... 2, actually.
At a festival at about 5.00AM, myself and a group of friends were being a bit anti-social and screaming and shouting and had a pretty large amount of drugs on us - between us all, 10 grams of K, half an ounce of MDMA and an ounce of weed.
The two LE officers came over to speak to us, and there was about a gram of K on a CD case sitting in open view along with all of the weed.
When they came over, they were just like " We will forget we seen all that boys, just keep the noise down please ". Pretty decent of them or we all would have been chucked out of the festival.
Me being absolutely off my tits at the time, I was trying to convince them to sit and take some of it with us - and they were even cool about that, just laughed and walked away.
Some LE can be alright, they are human beings after all - but it seems like they are a lot more lenient over here in the UK compared to the U.S.
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Sounds like what I was talking about earlier - It's likely the dog actually smelt nothing, officers just forced a reaction so that they had grounds to search the vehicle, LE are scummy bastards.
fixed ;)
Haha! Took me a whole 10 minutes to realize what you had changed.
Read it over about 15 times, and was like "what the fuck is this guy talking about, he didn't change anything!"
But yes, most LE are total egotistic dick-heads, although I have met a couple who were alright.
Well... 2, actually.
At a festival at about 5.00AM, myself and a group of friends were being a bit anti-social and screaming and shouting and had a pretty large amount of drugs on us - between us all, 10 grams of K, half an ounce of MDMA and an ounce of weed.
The two LE officers came over to speak to us, and there was about a gram of K on a CD case sitting in open view along with all of the weed.
When they came over, they were just like " We will forget we seen all that boys, just keep the noise down please ". Pretty decent of them or we all would have been chucked out of the festival.
Me being absolutely off my tits at the time, I was trying to convince them to sit and take some of it with us - and they were even cool about that, just laughed and walked away.
Some LE can be alright, they are human beings after all - but it seems like they are a lot more lenient over here in the UK compared to the U.S.
They would of handed you a one way ticket to prison over here in the US for that
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Often this is what they do at festivals/train-stations/airports, they don't have a dog searching for a single drug, instead they just make the dog react near people they think look dodgy, just so they have a liable reason to search.
The People's Police doing what they do best: taking your hard earned tax money, and using it to harass you.
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Sounds like what I was talking about earlier - It's likely the dog actually smelt nothing, officers just forced a reaction so that they had grounds to search the vehicle, LE are scummy bastards.
fixed ;)
Haha! Took me a whole 10 minutes to realize what you had changed.
Read it over about 15 times, and was like "what the fuck is this guy talking about, he didn't change anything!"
But yes, most LE are total egotistic dick-heads, although I have met a couple who were alright.
Well... 2, actually.
At a festival at about 5.00AM, myself and a group of friends were being a bit anti-social and screaming and shouting and had a pretty large amount of drugs on us - between us all, 10 grams of K, half an ounce of MDMA and an ounce of weed.
The two LE officers came over to speak to us, and there was about a gram of K on a CD case sitting in open view along with all of the weed.
When they came over, they were just like " We will forget we seen all that boys, just keep the noise down please ". Pretty decent of them or we all would have been chucked out of the festival.
Me being absolutely off my tits at the time, I was trying to convince them to sit and take some of it with us - and they were even cool about that, just laughed and walked away.
Some LE can be alright, they are human beings after all - but it seems like they are a lot more lenient over here in the UK compared to the U.S.
They would of handed you a one way ticket to prison over here in the US for that
Yeah I figured, it seems they are way more lenient in the UK about drugs and such.
Last year alone at one of the bigger festivals they caught like 2200 people will some for of drug on them - but, only four (maybe 5) were taken to court and that's because they had a significant amount suggesting they were going to deal.
I think the LE over here accept that A HUGE portion of the country indulge in drugs, so instead of filling our prisons with people who just want to score a gram of weed, they go for the dealers.
They are pretty shitty with kids though, many times I've heard about kids who do the drug running for the big dogs on London estates getting caught and the police using brutal scare tactics to make them talk.. Bear in mind these kids are like 10-14 years old just trying to make a little bit of money because there is nothing else they can do in these kind of places.
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Often this is what they do at festivals/train-stations/airports, they don't have a dog searching for a single drug, instead they just make the dog react near people they think look dodgy, just so they have a liable reason to search.
The People's Police doing what they do best: taking your hard earned tax money, and using it to harass you.
Don't you know it, man.
+1'ed
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Sounds like what I was talking about earlier - It's likely the dog actually smelt nothing, officers just forced a reaction so that they had grounds to search the vehicle, LE are scummy bastards.
fixed ;)
Haha! Took me a whole 10 minutes to realize what you had changed.
Read it over about 15 times, and was like "what the fuck is this guy talking about, he didn't change anything!"
But yes, most LE are total egotistic dick-heads, although I have met a couple who were alright.
Well... 2, actually.
At a festival at about 5.00AM, myself and a group of friends were being a bit anti-social and screaming and shouting and had a pretty large amount of drugs on us - between us all, 10 grams of K, half an ounce of MDMA and an ounce of weed.
The two LE officers came over to speak to us, and there was about a gram of K on a CD case sitting in open view along with all of the weed.
When they came over, they were just like " We will forget we seen all that boys, just keep the noise down please ". Pretty decent of them or we all would have been chucked out of the festival.
Me being absolutely off my tits at the time, I was trying to convince them to sit and take some of it with us - and they were even cool about that, just laughed and walked away.
Some LE can be alright, they are human beings after all - but it seems like they are a lot more lenient over here in the UK compared to the U.S.
Love it! Here in the uk festivals seem to just be a hallowed ground where anything goes as soon as a critical mass of punters start rolling. I myself have been sat in the grass with friends surrounded by paraphernalia nevermind the gurns and they just dont care. Any arrests mean so much paperwork I think thats why they dont bother. But on the other hand iv seen police deliberately trying to fuck with clubbers once they leave like pushing them around as theyre trying to leave the venue
Overall... fuck da police
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My good friend family TRAINS dogs for police and other businesses.
He told me dogs can be taught to learn ANY smell. Weed, Cocaine, Heroin, Meth, Mushrooms.... Anything that gives off a pronouced smell TO A DOG, not a human, can be trained to be sniffed out by police dogs.
Now that doesn't mean that a cop will ever have a dog trained to smell mushrooms, BUT it is a possibility although extremely unlikely..
SBmafia
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I was just reading a case about a man who was pulled over and the officer thought that he smelled marijuana. So the officer calls a k9 unit to come do a search, he immediately alerts on the trunk. The officer opens the trunk and finds two pounds of crystal meth, or something like that. It is still going through the court system but the defendant thinks he can get off because the dog was only called in because the officer thought he smelled marijuana. It is now a question of an unlawful search, should the cop been able to detain the man and wait for the k9, or even call the k9 in the first place if all he smelled was weed? this is taking place in Colorado where weed is now legal.
oh, and he got pulled over because his tabs were expired
Makes me wonder what LE are going to do with all of the drug dogs that are trained to smell marijuana once it is legalized nationally. They can't like tell the dogs not respond to marijuana anymore because its now legal so are all of the current drug dogs going to become obsolete? Also once it is legalized nationally, it seems that less drugs other than marijuana will be caught because I would guess a majority of people are originally noticed due to the pungent smell of marijuana and then other drugs are found.
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My good friend family TRAINS dogs for police and other businesses.
He told me dogs can be taught to learn ANY smell. Weed, Cocaine, Heroin, Meth, Mushrooms.... Anything that gives off a pronouced smell TO A DOG, not a human, can be trained to be sniffed out by police dogs.
Now that doesn't mean that a cop will ever have a dog trained to smell mushrooms, BUT it is a possibility although extremely unlikely..
dogs can even be trained to smell LSD.
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I was just reading a case about a man who was pulled over and the officer thought that he smelled marijuana. So the officer calls a k9 unit to come do a search, he immediately alerts on the trunk. The officer opens the trunk and finds two pounds of crystal meth, or something like that. It is still going through the court system but the defendant thinks he can get off because the dog was only called in because the officer thought he smelled marijuana. It is now a question of an unlawful search, should the cop been able to detain the man and wait for the k9, or even call the k9 in the first place if all he smelled was weed? this is taking place in Colorado where weed is now legal.
oh, and he got pulled over because his tabs were expired
well i think he is still fucked.. unlawful search or not they did find the meth....
thanks for all the answers.
is there any info about dogs finding Mephedrone or 2c or DMT? or anything that is not "mainstream"?
Is there a chance that dogs can smell chemicals on me after i used them?
Lets say i snort coke all Wednesday and i get searched on Saturday. I'm not holding but the dog is right in my face.
Can it smell the coke i snorted ?
Dogs can smell it in your sweat, and if you've been around coke that shit sticks to everything like white on rice and even if you wash your clothes etc they can still smell it!
I heard that in South America (actually read in Marching Powder) that they get the dogs addicted to the coke and give it to them as a reward. Here the dogs just get a white sock and told they're great. If I tried to give my dog a white sock he would just look at me with bewilderment as if to say "what the fuck is that going to do for me you fucking idiot? Give me a bone or a treat or fuck off, stupid human!"
As for driving around with two lbs of crystal with expired plates, that's up there with Shadh1's escapades. Perhaps meth causes people to lose sight of their critical reasoning skills in the pursuit of more money or meth. I don't use amphetamines so I can't talk from experience, but it's amazing that people here pay $700+ for a gram making me think they lose sight of much much more than just their critical reasoning skills (evidently because they will pay that much to get high), they lose sight of the fact NO DRUG is worth $700 a gram and will sell everything they have to get another hit.
So many people around my parts are on ice now, people I never would have imagined, and it is evident when you look at the countries that are primarily affected by it, America, Australia and Thailand are also the countries that have made it difficult to get any other drugs (relatively). Thereby banning other drugs people might use to alter their state of mind, we have inadvertently created a meth epidemic of plague like proportions. I see people I used to know (well I still know them but don't associate with them) whom I would never have thought would take that shit, and they look like zombies who are dying from the inside out with their faces all scabbed up and babbling sentences about random nothingness that it's almost impossible to understand them. Eventually you begin to realise there is a common denominator here, scarcity of other mind altering substances that actually achieve the results they're after but are less addictive have been taken out of the marketplace, because the people who control the marketplace dictate what drugs and how much are out there and naturally they will produce the cheapest and most addictive compound they can and then flood the market with it to get as many people addicted as possible, and then they simply expand and contract the supplies to keep people fiending for this supposedly rare chemical. One must think about the fact that if crystal meth was as freely available as pool salts, would it still have the same desire and allure as a substance that cost $700 a gram? I doubt it!
LEO's don't understand the concept that when you take away the peoples right to dictate what's in the marketplace and therefore control the marketplace, the only people who have control over what is in the marketplace are no longer the people, but a select band of rogue criminals who's only care is making drugs that produce the most addiction and destruction of ones psyche in order to further enslave them in a vicious cycle and make more money off their legions of zombie slaves, thereby exacerbating the problem further. In many respects cartels are just like government in this regard, making the people addicted to them and implanting the false dichotomy that they can not do anything without their products and at the same time allow them to impose their will on them as long as they feels safe/high.
The drug war is one of the cornerstones of the political system that keeps people enslaved both mentally as well as physically. It says it's acceptable to enslave humans as well as animals in this pursuit of an unobtainable goal of a drug free world, as long as you have a badge and a gun to kill your subjects with if they disagree with our fascist ways. One need look at the drug war to know slavery is far from over.
We replaced field slaves with wage slaves and replaced machines with dog slaves that could otherwise be used to help the blind or a farmer, and call this progress.
We are a stupid stupid species, and it's as disturbing as bath salts that people can't understand what freedom and slavery are really all about. They use Christianity to instill in people the concept that they are sheep in desperate need of shepherds and the police are the dogs who guard us from the wolves. Instead we should be showing people the freedom and comradery the wolf community has, and that it's far better to be the hunter rather than the hunted!
Then as wolves we can free our fellow sniffer dogs from the hands of their masters and let them live in freedom with the people, not as unpaid slaves. :P
- JWM 8)
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I remember not too long ago, I had just eaten a bud brownie and smoked a bowl when my lady and I started fighting all crazy. So I left the house to cool down; My car ended up breaking down, but before it came to a complete stop I was able to coast into a gas station. I thought I was lucky until I realized I had just pulled over next to two police k-9 SUV's. The cops were already inside but after I sat there for a minute I realized the dogs were barking at me like fuck. I don't know if they were just barking to bark (pretty sure they are trained not to do that) or if they were alerted by the smell of weed seeping from my pores, but I was paranoid as fuck. I HATE COPS
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I remember not too long ago, I had just eaten a bud brownie and smoked a bowl when my lady and I started fighting all crazy. So I left the house to cool down; My car ended up breaking down, but before it came to a complete stop I was able to coast into a gas station. I thought I was lucky until I realized I had just pulled over next to two police k-9 SUV's. The cops were already inside but after I sat there for a minute I realized the dogs were barking at me like fuck. I don't know if they were just barking to bark (pretty sure they are trained not to do that) or if they were alerted by the smell of weed seeping from my pores, but I was paranoid as fuck. I HATE COPS
Think they were just barking mate because if it could smell traces on your skin clothes surely they would be going wild all the time as people being around other smoking weed etc.. see what is weird though i have taken lines/smoked joints literally minutes before entering festivals and the dogs haven't reacted? makes me think slicksuit is right and they are just bs'ing with the dogs to go after the cunts that look like they have heroin in their arse crack!!!