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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: oktoy on March 12, 2012, 06:04 pm
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According to the letters I've just received from Customs, there is a 30 gram law that says they can't open anything under 30 grams without permission. So they've sent me a letter asking for my permission to open it. They say if I don't agree, it will be "forwarded to Canada Post in order to be dealt with in accordance with Regulations."
I'd appreciate some knowledge and experience with this.
I once had an order of etizolam opened by customs and they sent it to me. But I also had a much larger order that never made it through customs (I didn't get a letter, but it was at my friend's address). It's been really hard to tell what the legal status of this stuff is here.
Should I wait out the 30 days? Or will that just give Canada Post the opportunity to use some other set of "Regulations" to inspect it?
I guess I'll start reading the customs act, but any advice is appreciated.
Update here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=15073.msg149575#msg149575
Second update: I signed one letter and mailed it and finally got the package about 3 months later. (http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=15073.msg303633#msg303633)
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iirc all thienodiazepines are unscheduled throughout North America but good luck ever seeing your meds.
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I would ignore the letter and consider it seized-- by responding you are acknowleging you planned on receiving it and doing so could cause you trouble. Technically etizolam is unscheduled, but who are we kidding guys, it's a benzo , and it's structure is very closely related to Halcyon and Xanax. I would proceed as if it was an order of Xanax
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I would ignore the letter and consider it seized-- by responding you are acknowleging you planned on receiving it and doing so could cause you trouble. Technically etizolam is unscheduled, but who are we kidding guys, it's a benzo , and it's structure is very closely related to Halcyon and Xanax. I would proceed as if it was an order of Xanax
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-52.6/page-64.html#s-99.
It appears they are telling the truth. Doing a search on that page for "thirty grams" will bring you to the right paragraphs.
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I might be in the minority here but I would just tell them to open it and if they ask you what it is say it is just an unscheduled chemical.
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I would sure love to see a citation for that 30 gram law because it sounds like bullshit to me. No customs agency would be restricted in such a way for fucks sake people could risk free import all kinds of shit like plastic explosives etc just by keeping it under 30 grams and refusing to let customs look at it.
edit: huh you already gave a citation...
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It's unscheduled since its not a benzodiazepine but a thienodiazepine (thank you QTC).
Depending on where you bought it from, I would give them permission to open it or forward to Canada Post in order to be dealt with in accordance with Regulations."
If you're buying your etizolam from clearnet RX vendors by the box, there is enough accompanying documentation to corroborate that it is a thienodiazepine (with contact info to the manufacturer as well), so for them to open an unscheduled (and documented) compound like etizolam is no different then any of the many many herbal/supplemental/health products that are also unscheduled.
I know people will say that getting in their faces will 'flag' your address, but your address has already been 'flagged', so you may as well attempt with confidence to get your legal goods from them as you've broke no law and are currently out money.
If you bought off here in pellets, powder and/or shipped in some stealth manner then it's your discretion if you want to pursue it because at the end of the day you would be safe from the law (they can test the pellet's/powder until their red in the face, it's still a thienodiazepine) but you may have exposed the vendor to unnecessary risk.
I don't know where you buy your etizolam but if its from a clearnet RX company I would tell them confidently to open it, if it's from SR then the question becomes whether you want to expose the vendor to potential risk or not. Either way you should buy your etizolam on clearnet sites, they come packaged well and are much cheaper then here heh.
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Sorry I didn't share all the info sooner, but I might as well. I didn't buy the stuff on here anyway, plus Customs still has to follow the law even if they are reading this, so here goes.
I got it from a clearnet vendor who actually sent it in two shipments. So I have two letters from customs. So I'm considering signing one and not the other and seeing what happens.
I ordered the exact same stuff from the same guy once before, it was opened by customs, and actually sent to me. However, my friend ordered a larger batch and it seems to have been taken by customs with no letter of any kind. So maybe some amateur let the etizolam in the first time, or vise versa.
Here's another point, the vendor labeled the stuff "herbal supplement"! So obviously that kind of voids the "not for human consumption" thing. So the stuff could be taken by health Canada.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback, keep it coming if there is any.
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30 gram law? What? Anyone care to elaborate ....?
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OP, how many pills did you order?
How did customs detect them?
Bad packaging? Random search?
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30 gram law? What? Anyone care to elaborate ....?
Read post #4 in this thread.
OP, how many pills did you order?
How did customs detect them?
Bad packaging? Random search?
100 in total, 50 each envelope. I think customs is just suspicious of the mail. They have not opened it, as I said. I'm guessing what makes the suspicious may have been no return address and the declaration that they are "herbal supplement samples".
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uhh customs declarations?? I'm confused, does this apply to envelopes or packages? if the latter why wasn't it just shipped in an normal business envelope 0.o & i've received 100g per envelope from CA/ other places I'm surprised they haven't opened those.
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uhh customs declarations?? I'm confused, does this apply to envelopes or packages? if the latter why wasn't it just shipped in an normal business envelope 0.o & i've received 100g per envelope from CA/ other places I'm surprised they haven't opened those.
I've had better luck from the states too. Worst luck with the UK.
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uhh customs declarations?? I'm confused, does this apply to envelopes or packages? if the latter why wasn't it just shipped in an normal business envelope 0.o & i've received 100g per envelope from CA/ other places I'm surprised they haven't opened those.
yeah, tahts pretty stupid, considering under 500 G is all 'regular post' just costs more, under 30G, 31-99G, 100-300G, 301-500G is all regular letter mail.
I have sent various packages to the US as 'documents only' and they all have gotten through using larger than normal envelope bubble mailers.
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I think people are sort of mis-interpretting the law. This is a quote from the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration in Canada written in 2001:
"When international mail arrives at a Canada Post Corporation (CPC) processing plant, CPC employees sort letter mail - defined as weighing less than 30 grams - from packages. Anything over 30 grams in weight, even if it is an envelope, is considered a package. The weight is estimated by these employees; mail is not actually weighed.
If Customs officials wish to open a piece of mail weighing less than 30 grams, they send a letter to the addressee requesting consent. If consent is not received, the piece of mail is either returned to sender or destroyed, or a search warrant is obtained.
Mail over 30 grams - which may be either packages, or correspondence in envelopes - is sent for inspection by Customs officials at the postal processing plant."
And this:
"Envelopes over 30 grams are opened if Customs officials detect a solid object - which might be a passport, a laminated card or a packet of drugs, for instance - or if they originate from a place identified by Citizenship and Immigration Canada as a likely source of fraudulent documents."
... here just read the whole thing :D [Clearnet] http://www.priv.gc.ca/media/nr-c/02_05_b_010319_e.cfm
The law means that customs is allowed to hold your letter for only up to a maximum of 30 days, because lettermail under 30g is considered to be documents, which are treated differently (in all countries) then other mail, likely due to the sheer bulk of documents in letters go through the post every-day. If they can't obtain enough evidence to get a search warrant to open the letter or they can't contact it's owner they have no right to hold onto it indefinitely (this isn't gitmo where we just arrest ppl without a charge and then prevent them from ever even speaking to a lawyer).
Maybe this seems strange to Americans, but it shouldn't. It kind of flies directly in the face the constitution. No governing entity should have the right to seize and hold my property indefinitely if they can't prove it's illegal and they can't obtain a search warrant (to prove that it's illegal).
Judging by the article it also has to do with sorting through an influx of immigration papers, the need to catch and stop fraudulent fucks (er immigrants) from getting into our country. I mean fuck, last year a ship with like 5000 illegal immigrants docked at a port in Canada just expecting to be let in an welcomed lol (they were not).
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Big update:
So I had about a week left to sign the papers allowing them to check the packages, and finally decided to sign one of them, and not the other, and see what happened. I mailed it off but got no letters or anything until today. The package actually came with everything intact. I don't know why it took like 3 months. Maybe they sent it for testing somewhere. The other package was probably destroyed.
So my advice is to let them check. The stuff is legal.