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Title: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: CapitalGainer on February 21, 2013, 12:24 am
Hey guys.  I'm new here obviously.  Let me get straight to the point though.  I have an acquaintance who works in the mergers and acquisitions dept. and one of the most prominent investment banks.  Every two or three weeks or so he gives me information on upcoming mergers, acquisitions, and financing's for publicly traded companies.  I use this info to make 10, 20, or even 30 or 40 percent on  a single trade.  So far I've just been using funds from myself and my acquaintance to make these trades using an offshore broker.  I've been looking for a way to increase the size of my trades for the obviously larger return on investment (not such an easy thing to do when using an illegal trading strategy).  My research into this has lead me to the world of Tor and Bitcoins.  I think if I could get a "bitcoin hedge fund" going we could see some very nice returns.  I could convert invested Bitcoins into cash to leverage my trades and then cash out and convert back to bitcoins.  I could take a percentage of the winnings as my fee.  I see it as a way to make myself wealthier as well as anyone who would like to invest. 

So I'm basically looking for input if you guys think this is viable (anonymity issues?) and if there would be any interest in this venture.

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: ANocioni5 on February 21, 2013, 12:38 am
Honestly I think you should stop.... not because it is illegal, but because eventually you are probably going to get caught and say, "Was it worth it?"

But I think that investing in (or whatever your doing) with Bitcoins would be a pretty profitable idea. My view on it is that Bitcoins are only going to grow as technology grows; and technology certainly is growing ;)
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: CapitalGainer on February 21, 2013, 12:55 am
Thanks for the reply ANocioni5!

Honestly, if anyone's paranoid about getting caught, it's me.  I go to some pretty far lengths to make sure my name isn't tied to any of it.  I use several offshore brokers using aliases.  These brokers are also known for blocking the SEC from doing any snooping.  I'd say the hardest part about the operation is the laundering which I'm not going to get into.

And I agree Bitcoins are certainly a promising and interesting currency!
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: auxdvd on February 21, 2013, 01:04 am
cop
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: jpinkman on February 21, 2013, 01:07 am
So yeah, all anyone needs to do is invest with you as a middleman so they can cash on these logic defying returns huh?

TBH, you're kind of late to the game. The ponzi cons have already come and gone, making out with a mountain of bitcoins from a lot of gullible "investors". I doubt they'll be as receptive this time around.
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: BlazedForDays on February 21, 2013, 01:23 am
So yeah, all anyone needs to do is invest with you as a middleman so they can cash on these logic defying returns huh?

TBH, you're kind of late to the game. The ponzi cons have already come and gone, making out with a mountain of bitcoins from a lot of gullible "investors". I doubt they'll be as receptive this time around.

Pirate 2.0
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: CapitalGainer on February 21, 2013, 01:24 am
They would be logic defying returns if I was trading with no information like most people, but I am not.  Just go to Finviz.com or Yahoo Finance and look at the list of the top gainers and losers for the day.  These are the kind of stocks I trade.  These are the stocks being influenced by financing deals, acquisitions, and mergers.  And yes I even make money on the huge declines in stock prices.  I simply short the stock.  My biggest winner so far this year was when I shorted CLSN at $8. Then next morning it was trading at $1.40. Easiest 80% percent of my life.
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: jpinkman on February 21, 2013, 02:00 am
And yes I even make money on the huge declines in stock prices.  I simply short the stock.  My biggest winner so far this year was when I shorted CLSN at $8. Then next morning it was trading at $1.40. Easiest 80% percent of my life.

So you just keep doing that Bernie and we'll just keep gawking at how elite your inside info is that generates you 10-40% returns that you find you need to raise capital from people here to generate even greater returns. You sound like such an impressive man.  ;D
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: banonos32 on February 21, 2013, 02:03 am
And yes I even make money on the huge declines in stock prices.  I simply short the stock.  My biggest winner so far this year was when I shorted CLSN at $8. Then next morning it was trading at $1.40. Easiest 80% percent of my life.

So you just keep doing that Bernie and we'll just keep gawking at how elite your inside info is that generates you 10-40% returns that you find you need to raise capital from people here to generate even greater returns. You sound like such an impressive man.  ;D
;D ;D ;D stop fawning I want a piece!
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: MDUK on February 21, 2013, 04:17 am
How's this for an offer:

I wouldn't give you money to manage (fuck that!) but if you could demonstrate, perhaps by providing correct info a few times, that your source is legit, then I would pay you for access to said info  ;)

But yeah, you need to lay off the SR purchases for a while if you think people with an IQ outside single-digits will give you BTC on what amounts to blind faith  ;D
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: jpinkman on February 21, 2013, 04:35 am
;D ;D ;D stop fawning I want a piece!

Indeed. With such an impressive portfolio of blue chip stocks that he's shorting at 80% returns it really makes you have profound respect for someone who calls himself "CapitalGainer". The name just really helps convince people that he is who he says. It's hard not to believe he's an arbitrage whiz with offshore accounts he's shitting cash into.

With all that scratch and all those groupies lined up to smoke his superstar pole it kind of makes you wonder how he finds the spare time to come here and solicit funds from total strangers, or why he would even bother when he's capable of pulling 80% profit on a one day short. The man must just be a minor deity of some sort that wants to spread his benevolence and wealth to the anonymous masses of TOR. ;D
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: MeanieMart on February 21, 2013, 04:43 am
I'm sure you'll be assuming all the tax liabilities as well?  8)
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: uninfested on February 21, 2013, 04:45 am
How's this for an offer:

I wouldn't give you money to manage (fuck that!) but if you could demonstrate, perhaps by providing correct info a few times, that your source is legit, then I would pay you for access to said info  ;)

But yeah, you need to lay off the SR purchases for a while if you think people with an IQ outside single-digits will give you BTC on what amounts to blind faith  ;D

This post makes perfect cents.  ::)
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: fusionpoo on February 21, 2013, 05:09 am
This post makes perfect cents.  ::)
cant tell if pun intended
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: CapitalGainer on February 21, 2013, 06:13 am
I appreciate the feedback guys and I understand the skepticism.   I'd like to clarify some things. At this time I am not soliciting any of you for any money; I'm was just hoping to see what your thoughts were about the viability of a bitcoin fund and if there is even anyone out there looking to invest using bitcoins (other than me). 

MDUK: I would consider that business plan.  Although, handing out this inside info to whomever wants to pay for it opens up a lot of security issues.  Also,  I just don't see it being as lucrative for me to offer out this info on, say, a subscription basis.

jpinkman: I very rarely trade blue chips. They simply do not have the volatility.   I usually trade small to mid cap stocks as these are the ones with the largest gap ups/downs due to news.  Also, I've never traded using any arbitrage strategy.  The reason I'd like to start a bitcoin fund is because I can't just go out and ask investors to let me use their money to trade using an illegal strategy.  Bitcoin offers much better protection (from what i've been reading). 

The more capital i have to put down on any given trade, the more I make. Simple as that.  That's how mutual funds and hedgee funds work.  That's what i want to do with bitcoin.
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: california on February 21, 2013, 06:34 am

Indeed. With such an impressive portfolio of blue chip stocks that he's shorting at 80% returns it really makes you have profound respect for someone who calls himself "CapitalGainer". The name just really helps convince people that he is who he says. It's hard not to believe he's an arbitrage whiz with offshore accounts he's shitting cash into.

With all that scratch and all those groupies lined up to smoke his superstar pole it kind of makes you wonder how he finds the spare time to come here and solicit funds from total strangers, or why he would even bother when he's capable of pulling 80% profit on a one day short. The man must just be a minor deity of some sort that wants to spread his benevolence and wealth to the anonymous masses of TOR. ;D

Oh my God jpinkman, you so crazy!!!  This whole proposition reminds me of the scathing review that John T Reed gave the "financial guru" Robert Kiyosaki of Rich Dad, Poor Dad fame (recent Oct 12, 2012 headline: "'Rich Dad, Poor Dad' Author Files for Bankruptcy - ABC News"):

Summary
Rich Dad, Poor Dad is one of the dumbest financial advice books I have ever read. It contains many factual errors and numerous extremely unlikely accounts of events that supposedly occurred.
Kiyosaki is a salesman and a motivational speaker. He has no financial expertise and won’t disclose his supposed real estate or other investment success.
Rich Dad, Poor Dad contains much wrong advice, much bad advice, some dangerous advice, and virtually no good advice.

Collection of age-old clichés about money
A reader suggested that Rich Dad Poor Dad is nothing but a collection of clichés about money. Old clichés. Clichés that have been around since way before Kiyosaki claims “rich dad” originated them. The reader further said that Kiyosaki then appears to have simply made up a bunch of accompanying phony stories to fill the cliché collection out to the length of a book.
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: ANocioni5 on February 21, 2013, 07:11 am
I just know not to buy whatever stocks that guy on MAD MONEY says to buy..... because they go up a little, and then they plummet.
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: jpinkman on February 21, 2013, 11:10 am
jpinkman: I very rarely trade blue chips. They simply do not have the volatility.   I usually trade small to mid cap stocks as these are the ones with the largest gap ups/downs due to news.

Yup. Your expertise is such that you've got inside info on market timings, yet you're willing to expose yourself to the bottomless risk of a short instead of limiting your risk while profiting at multiple times your investment by purchasing a put like any knowledgeable trader would do in that situation. You sound so competent I'm ready to transfer you a torrent of my personal fortune right now and hire you as my financial broker.

BUT ... first you've got to help me get it all untangled in a uranium mine I own in Nigeria. You wire me 10,000 bitcoins so I can provide the proper kickbacks to Nigerian politicians for them to allow me to start exporting Uranium from their mines and I'll wire you back 1,000 bitcoins that I'll let you manage for me in your midcap stocks you're so great at shorting. How about it? ;D

Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: computeruser on February 21, 2013, 11:34 am
im too brain damaged to understand all this...shame >:(
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: bodysativa on February 21, 2013, 11:43 am
I'm still waiting on you, CapitalGainer, to make a single prediction so I know that the special skillset you say you have access to exists and your source is providing verifiable, valuable intelligence.  Otherwise, like others have indicated in this thread, if you have access to such privileged information, why are you on Tor trying to paint us a story of how awesome you are and asking for our money?

Say something like: "I have it on high authority that Verizon will be acquired by Comcast, and the announcement will go out in the next 3 days, so you should buy Verizon stock now as it will soar."
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: computeruser on February 21, 2013, 11:57 am
oh well..
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: modziw on February 21, 2013, 12:34 pm
Positives:
Make money with money (Oh yeah you can do that with drugs right here)

Negatives:
You get new agencies going after you instead of the usual old LE
You work hard being a crook, make a batch of money, hand it over to "a guy" and then...?
What stock exchanges poopoo the SEC? You don't cooperate with the SEC, you don't trade in the US markets.

Solution:
Give Sell the names of the stocks as they come up and I will pay you a portion of my profits doing my own trading and money laundering. You trust me don't you? That's what you were asking me to do - trust you, right? I have a sterling reputation, you are nobody.
Problem with that: Now I have a trading account bust and selling in exactly what LE tells me to. They don't even have to prove it's the guy selling drugs, they can just bust me for the illegal insider trading.

This is a non-starter unless you give me several tips that all would have worked (I don't trade the first ones) and then I trade the next few and if they make money I pay you an agreed upon percentage of the earnings. Then as a trusted vendor I set up the hedge fund and control the money and make the trades for anyone wishing to do it without opening a trading account. You make the same money with less work my friend.

Bam! Done! (Drops the mike)

Modzi
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: Joebelowme on February 21, 2013, 01:25 pm
cop

You're a cop?

Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: MasterS on February 21, 2013, 01:43 pm
This post makes perfect cents.  ::)
cant tell if pun intended

If he typed sense, you can't tell pun intended. He typed cents which makes it obviously a pun. I <3 puns.. just not reddit "puns" :p
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: White 0ut on February 21, 2013, 01:49 pm
Wow this guy got fucking SR mobbed on I love when our community unroots evil!
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: modziw on February 21, 2013, 03:05 pm
This post makes perfect cents.  ::)
cant tell if pun intended

If he typed sense, you can't tell pun intended. He typed cents which makes it obviously a pun. I <3 puns.. just not reddit "puns" :p

What is puns on reddit?

BTW I love your icon image (I hate blue balls).

Modzi
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: TuggingOnSupermansCape on February 21, 2013, 03:28 pm
jesse pinkman dropping some knowledge.

FINANCES YO!

(die hard fan of the show)
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: vektor the pirate on February 21, 2013, 03:30 pm
I would like to invest in the stock market...Seems like a big gamble though....
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: CapitalGainer on February 21, 2013, 06:40 pm
jpinkman: I very rarely trade blue chips. They simply do not have the volatility.   I usually trade small to mid cap stocks as these are the ones with the largest gap ups/downs due to news.

Yup. Your expertise is such that you've got inside info on market timings, yet you're willing to expose yourself to the bottomless risk of a short instead of limiting your risk while profiting at multiple times your investment by purchasing a put like any knowledgeable trader would do in that situation. You sound so competent I'm ready to transfer you a torrent of my personal fortune right now and hire you as my financial broker.

BUT ... first you've got to help me get it all untangled in a uranium mine I own in Nigeria. You wire me 10,000 bitcoins so I can provide the proper kickbacks to Nigerian politicians for them to allow me to start exporting Uranium from their mines and I'll wire you back 1,000 bitcoins that I'll let you manage for me in your midcap stocks you're so great at shorting. How about it? ;D



Bottomless risk of a short?? Yeah if you're a complete idiot and don't cut losses promptly. 
I trade the market for a living as well as using these tips for some extra $. This is what i do.  I only trade stocks. I don't do options, futures, commodities, forex, etc. Part of trading is defining a strategy and strictly abiding by it.  I have no interest in getting into the world of derivatives trading. 
Oh.. and i'll get those bitcoins over to you right away ;)

Positives:
Make money with money (Oh yeah you can do that with drugs right here)

Negatives:
You get new agencies going after you instead of the usual old LE
You work hard being a crook, make a batch of money, hand it over to "a guy" and then...?
What stock exchanges poopoo the SEC? You don't cooperate with the SEC, you don't trade in the US markets.

Solution:
Give Sell the names of the stocks as they come up and I will pay you a portion of my profits doing my own trading and money laundering. You trust me don't you? That's what you were asking me to do - trust you, right? I have a sterling reputation, you are nobody.
Problem with that: Now I have a trading account bust and selling in exactly what LE tells me to. They don't even have to prove it's the guy selling drugs, they can just bust me for the illegal insider trading.

This is a non-starter unless you give me several tips that all would have worked (I don't trade the first ones) and then I trade the next few and if they make money I pay you an agreed upon percentage of the earnings. Then as a trusted vendor I set up the hedge fund and control the money and make the trades for anyone wishing to do it without opening a trading account. You make the same money with less work my friend.

Bam! Done! (Drops the mike)

Modzi

These are some good points.  I'll give it some thought.
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: twopackshaker on February 21, 2013, 06:50 pm
jpinkman, you are fucking hilarious

and probably spot on as well.

If he's not a cop, he's a... Nigerian scammer. Or something. But yeah, moving on now
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: modziw on February 21, 2013, 07:44 pm


Positives:
Make money with money (Oh yeah you can do that with drugs right here)

Negatives:
You get new agencies going after you instead of the usual old LE
You work hard being a crook, make a batch of money, hand it over to "a guy" and then...?
What stock exchanges poopoo the SEC? You don't cooperate with the SEC, you don't trade in the US markets.

Solution:
Give Sell the names of the stocks as they come up and I will pay you a portion of my profits doing my own trading and money laundering. You trust me don't you? That's what you were asking me to do - trust you, right? I have a sterling reputation, you are nobody.
Problem with that: Now I have a trading account bust and selling in exactly what LE tells me to. They don't even have to prove it's the guy selling drugs, they can just bust me for the illegal insider trading.

This is a non-starter unless you give me several tips that all would have worked (I don't trade the first ones) and then I trade the next few and if they make money I pay you an agreed upon percentage of the earnings. Then as a trusted vendor I set up the hedge fund and control the money and make the trades for anyone wishing to do it without opening a trading account. You make the same money with less work my friend.

Bam! Done! (Drops the mike)

Modzi


These are some good points.  I'll give it some thought.


I am serious about checking you out. If you can actually call some moves then I know you're not LE. After that you can really profit from me profiting. I would keep it as small as you feel is necessary to fly under the SEC radar. And we could get the rest of the SR evildoers involved once we set the president that it works.

Modzi
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: altaneuvo on February 21, 2013, 08:23 pm
Sounds scammy to me...
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: jpinkman on February 21, 2013, 09:08 pm
I trade the market for a living as well as using these tips for some extra $. This is what i do.  I only trade stocks. I don't do options, futures, commodities, forex, etc. Part of trading is defining a strategy and strictly abiding by it.  I have no interest in getting into the world of derivatives trading. 

Wow. You really are a strategic genius. You have inside info on market timings yet you insist on paying full price for a stock on short term trades instead of a fraction of that price that would net you multiple times the amount on the full price of that stock all because your of ironclad discipline in having a "strategy" and sticking by it. How heroic of you to turn down all that free money on principle and a strategy that no one can understand. A "strategy" BTW, that now involves convincing random anonymous strangers who have no way of finding out who you are to invest in your elite access to a steady flow of insider info that somehow hasn't made you enough money yet.

I am just so impressed.

You are clearly a man of principle whose potential to make one of us a mountain of cheddar is just mind boggling. For a minute there I almost mistook the brilliance of your financial mind to be that of John Paulson's. I say "almost" only because even Paulson would recognize the absurdity of paying full value for a stock when you've got inside info that would make you so much more at a far lower cost had you just bought the option. ;D
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: EastCoastCollective on February 21, 2013, 09:17 pm
AWESOME DUDE
You should celebrate your great stock market luck by buying a fat sack of my super dank cannabis..All the guys will want to be you and all the ladies will want to be with you.Its a win-win for all ;D
ECC
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: wraithe on February 24, 2013, 07:40 am
i had to reply to increase post count and bring light to how hilarious this post was.  common sense tells me if hes so successful with his inside tips why does he need more money to invest.  and wouldnt it be better to comprise a group of people to invest for you so its not linked to you.  idk much about stocks just seemed odd.  I did like the idea of a bitcoin hedge fund, just with maybe an escrow system and someone that wasnt an idiot running it
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: WatLanBoon on February 24, 2013, 09:15 am
I have 280 btc i can invest.

please post your wallet address so i may benefit from your offer.
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: BrotzmannSax on February 24, 2013, 10:25 am
Stock market? Two words: Zero Hedge [dot com], bitchez. :)
"On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero."

Anyway, read some great comments last evening there (it's my home/start page, to my acquaintance's bewilderment, it is MY computer, tell me how to run my machine!, lol. swear, he's the mentality of a teenager, but then again why I do appreciate him still, having the ability to play stupid (bluffing?) is a sign or quality of intelligence in some way I suppose, admits its how he sailed his way through high school..) on to the comment.. someone was mentioning being "long" Remington slug shotguns.. in reply to this comment, the following:
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
diogeneslaertius

Pb, Ag, Au, typewriters, heirloom (fine Cannabis & hemp?) seeds, machine tools, land, chickens, and RAGE.

..also friendship, art, community, mutual respect, and ultimately freedom - ultimately a codifying cultural component vector emerging from this superabundant dataset the way consciousness emerges as a "strange loop".
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Then again, we have the one (and the only) Mr. Frank Zappa:

"There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life."
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: WatLanBoon on February 24, 2013, 03:04 pm
I have sold my wifes car to raise more btc, pleae let me send them to you.

she doesnt understand the profits we will make.

i will send you 400btc for good profits

maybe her ring i can get more 100btc

u can take us btc 500, make bigger profit, good

10 thousand bitcoin, ftw
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: MeanieMart on February 24, 2013, 09:15 pm
So how are you gonna use BTC to invest in stocks without converting it into USD?  ???
Title: Re: Ever wonder how to make a killing in the stock market? I do it all the time
Post by: LEFTY on February 24, 2013, 10:36 pm
I love when someone claims something then is unwilling to show evidence of it's existence. 

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former"
~Albert Einstein