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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: nicetryguy on May 12, 2013, 10:46 am
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Hey all,
I ordered 100mg of alpra powder from a new vendor but before I try it I just want to check a few things.
1 - Any easy way to verify that it's pure? The vendor said he'd done tests and that is was 99.9%, but has said he can't show any of the actual results for some reason, and I wanted to make sure I wouldn't be getting ripped off.
2 - I was planning to mix/dissolve it in PG, so it's be 1mg/ml, then dose using 1ml syringes. I've looked into dosage but wasn't sure. I used to have xanax bars but I assume dosages for pure powder are different? If so, what are they? Like 0.5mg is x, 1mg is y, 2mg is z etc in terms of effects and/or the equivalent in bar form.
3 - Obviously I don't want to be addicted/suffer any long term damage from use. Would once a week be okay in terms of this? Just I find I have panic attacks roughly that often (I write them down after) and xanax isn't available where I live from any other way. I'm well aware of the dangers of benzo WD, so don't want to risk getting addicted, but obviously still want to use them.
Thanks in advance
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Hey all,
I ordered 100mg of alpra powder from a new vendor but before I try it I just want to check a few things.
1 - Any easy way to verify that it's pure? The vendor said he'd done tests and that is was 99.9%, but has said he can't show any of the actual results for some reason, and I wanted to make sure I wouldn't be getting ripped off.
2 - I was planning to mix/dissolve it in PG, so it's be 1mg/ml, then dose using 1ml syringes. I've looked into dosage but wasn't sure. I used to have xanax bars but I assume dosages for pure powder are different? If so, what are they? Like 0.5mg is x, 1mg is y, 2mg is z etc in terms of effects and/or the equivalent in bar form.
3 - Obviously I don't want to be addicted/suffer any long term damage from use. Would once a week be okay in terms of this? Just I find I have panic attacks roughly that often (I write them down after) and xanax isn't available where I live from any other way. I'm well aware of the dangers of benzo WD, so don't want to risk getting addicted, but obviously still want to use them.
Thanks in advance
1) Only way to be sure is sending a sample to a lab.
2) The dosage for powder is the same as for pills/bars (provided the stuff is pure).
3) Not quite sure but once a week should be fine. Maybe some of the benzo experts can chime in on this? :)
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So you're planning to dose one milligram a week?
There's no way in hell you'll get withdrawal symptoms or an addiction from that. My psychiatrist has me taking a milligram 5/7 days a week for the workday anxiety, said that for a few months until my life's a bit more stable I wouldn't develop a habit, and I don't feel like shit on weekends and don't get cravings for it. It also only dumbs me down a bit, it isn't exactly a 'high'- though that may be due to me having a high baseline anxiety level.
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I would say weekly use is a bit much if you want to be safe.
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I will sometimes take 3-5mg about once per week... I have never had any issues.
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1mg a week is not nearly enough to develop a true addiction. But, that may not be the case if you do it for months then try to stop. Then you will really know if you're addicted, the withdrawals are a nightmare. Just a tip, if you start having withdrawals, do not quit cold turkey, taper off gradually. Best of luck.
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2 - I was planning to mix/dissolve it in PG, so it's be 1mg/ml, then dose using 1ml syringes. I've looked into dosage but wasn't sure. I used to have xanax bars but I assume dosages for pure powder are different? If so, what are they? Like 0.5mg is x, 1mg is y, 2mg is z etc in terms of effects and/or the equivalent in bar form.
A mg is a mg, no matter what shape it comes it - liquid, bar, tablet, powder, etc. In case of a solution of 1 mg/ml, 1 ml of that solution would be equal to a single normal 1 mg tablet, or half of a 2mg bar shaped tablet.
The kinetics may be a bit different though, i can imagine onset of effect is faster if taken as a solution in propylene glycol. I suppose this solution would have a rather unpleasant taste though: PG as such is pretty nice, but xanax is rather bitter, and i doubt the taste of PG would offset that by much, though i've never tried myself.
Using 1 mg once a week or so would carry very little risk of dependence, at least not physically. There can be psychological dependence that causes you to have more trouble confronting the anxiety inducing situation without xanax in the future. This will not cause any adverse effects (like cravings, withdrawal) when you avoid the anxiety trigger, but could cause you to be unable to confront the trigger without medication whereas you were able to work your way (in discomfort) through it before.
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I have alprazolam powder incoming as well but pg isn't the easiest thing to get in my country.
Does anyone know if alprazolam will solve well in glycerin without requiring the liquid to be heated up?
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Yeah, I've had a look around some pharmacies near me and couldn't find any PG.
Are there any alternatives I could use?
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Yeah, I've had a look around some pharmacies near me and couldn't find any PG.
Are there any alternatives I could use?
Yes, I believe the best solvent for ALP Powder is ethanol alcohol... The higher the proof the better obviously to get the maximum absorption! You do not want anything dangerous such as rubbing alcohol or methanol so your best bet, and what I do, would be to buy a bottle of the 190 proof Everclear... I find this to be the best due to it's viscosity compared to PG being WAY more thicker and just nasty! I have had no problem dissolving the Powder in about
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Would I be able to use glycerol/glycerin?
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Yes, I believe the best solvent for ALP Powder is ethanol alcohol... The higher the proof the better obviously to get the maximum absorption! You do not want anything dangerous such as rubbing alcohol or methanol so your best bet, and what I do, would be to buy a bottle of the 190 proof Everclear... I find this to be the best due to it's viscosity compared to PG being WAY more thicker and just nasty! I have had no problem dissolving the Powder in about
High proof ethanol is illegal in most countries, especially in mine. It's impossible to find alcohol higher than 60%. And since PG is also a controlled substance here, will glycerin be okay?
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Glycerin is not a very convenient or good solvent to use at all - its too viscous at room temperature to be practical, and the kinetics of getting alprazolam dissolved in it are not favourable, although the thermodynamics are okay.
Ethanol would be a good solvent, and it doesn't have to be all that pure to work. I don't have the exact data here, but something like 100 proof spirit (50% ethanol in water) sounds like a fine solvent to make 1 mg/ml solutions. I suppose at room temperature even ordinary 80 proof vodka would be a suitable solvent too.
If for some reason high proof spirits are hard to find in your country, i would suggest using methanol-tainted alcohol as a solvent. Additives such as methanol are often added to alcohol intended for sterilizing wounds and such to discourage drinking it as booze, and methanol is quite dangerous to your health in amounts of the mixture that would actually get you drunk.
If you look at a solution in a total volume of 1 ml per dose or so, the risks are very limited. Even if your solvent was 10% methanol in 90% ethanol, ingesting 1 ml of that solvent containing only 100 uL of methanol would not pose a serious health risk from the methanol. Spirits such as scotch will often contain a small amount of methanol and/or propanol as well, and this really poses little health risk as long as the amounts are small.
Drinking methanol in the volumes you would ethanol certainly is dangerous and leads to blindness, insanity, liver failure and what not, but we are looking at less then a percent involved in that here. As methanol occurs naturally in numerous foodstuffs in small amounts we are actually able to process small amounts of it without adverse effect, and many of us do so on a daily basis without ever noticing.
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It's not a great testing method, because you can't really know what it is, but when I ordered Xanax powder I used my marquis test and it provided absolutely no reaction. In fact, the powder didn't even really dissolve. Benzo powder is hard core stuff, it basically takes pure alcohol to dissolve. Then take a tiny amount(pin needle tip amount) and see what the effects are.
I eventually came to the conclusion that my power was legit, and now I just use a little plastic fork and scrap residue of the sides of the baggie and I'm guessing I get between .25 and 1mg each time. I would like to dissolve it and use it as a liquid for accurate dosage, but the main reason I use the Xanax is when I'm hung over or something from partying the night before, last thing I want to do is take a shot of alcohol lol.
Just be careful, powder benzos are not to be played with.
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Would 100mg dissolve fine in 50ml of 40% (80 proof) rum or is that pushing it a bit?
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And if not, would it be okay to split the powder in half and do it? Or is that really not a good idea due to the strength of xanax?
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Apparently 99.7 % pure alcohol (ethanol I assume) can hold 40mg/ml alprazolam. So I'd think that 2mg/ml in 40% is fine therefore?
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Sorry to do this but I'd quite like some answers about this
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Dude, I just mixed mine with Propylene Glycol. I couldn't find any other way.
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I think there needs to be a tek on this. Don't you think admin? People don't have a clue on what they are doing. And please input which vendor you are buying from ? Have they placed any NMRs or hplcs to verify?
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Apparently 99.7 % pure alcohol (ethanol I assume) can hold 40mg/ml alprazolam. So I'd think that 2mg/ml in 40% is fine therefore?
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When your messing with 1mg benzo doses apparently isn't good enough. Google alprozolam msds and check what it's soluble in first. Water isn't one of them. Ethanol not sure. Not to be rude but answers to this topic need t be definitive.
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Hey all,
1 - Any easy way to verify that it's pure? The vendor said he'd done tests and that is was 99.9%, but has said he can't show any of the actual results for some reason, and I wanted to make sure I wouldn't be getting ripped off.
Thanks in advance
As has been said, send it to the lab!
Otherwise, the consistency is a pretty good indicator of whether or not it's pure. It should clump up and look strange. Almost like wet, alien sand; kinda bubbly even like tiny styrofoam balls clumping together. If it's legit, when you get it you will understand exactly what I am saying, if it's cut, you will still wonder wtf I am talking about. Cutting agents ruin the consistency entirely.
Should be off white, but not cream, just like, barely an off white color. Most people would just call it white.
I think there needs to be a tek on this. Don't you think admin? People don't have a clue on what they are doing. And please input which vendor you are buying from ? Have they placed any NMRs or hplcs to verify?
Don't know if this will help anyone, but from teh Oliver threads:
Please use this responsibly and understand the directions before trying.
You need the following items:
- milligram accurate scale. Look on ebay for one.
- several ml of pure alcohol. I used 90% ethanol/10% methanol, but would have preferred something like everclear.
- paper towel or other blotter paper, cut into 1 inch strips
- A 1ml or 3ml syringe. This can be the type with a needle pre-attached, or a "oral" one with a disposable needle. I used a 1ml 20ga needle.
- a small glass jar or test tube, that lets you work with the needle in it without getting in the way.
1. clean your scale pan and glass with some alcohol and let any left evaporate.
2. measure 1ml of alcohol into the syringe.
3. measure 10ml of product in scale pan.
4. dump as much of product as you can into glass container. use the alcohol in the1ml syringe to clean out any sticking bits. put all remaining alcohol in the jar with the product.
5. put top on glass jar and shake gently. wait several minutes until all disolved. You'll notice the solution has taken on a slightly white solution.
6. use same syringe to suck up all the liquid.
7. apply to 1 square inch paper towel 0.05ml at a time. You want to paper to be not saturated, but close to it.
8. wait several minutes for alcohol to evaporate.
repeat steps 7 & 8, each time will add 0.5mg of product to the paper.
9. let evaporate some more, for several hours, until paper is dry.
I consumed by placing paper under my toungue for a minute or 2 until it went mushy, and then swallowed it. It helps to have some acidic fruit juice to get the taste out of your mouth I found. Grapefruit juice is supposed to potentiate benzos...
wait 5-20 minutes and let the fun kick in.
I know it isn't exactly what you were looking for, but it sounds like a fun way to ingest and you wouldn't have to put it on blotter, just calculate your dosage based on your recipe and don't forget to allow for displacement.
Would 100mg dissolve fine in 50ml of 40% (80 proof) rum or is that pushing it a bit?
That MAY be pushing it, but I'm not sure since I've only used Everclear.
I have gotten as much as 20mg per ml to dissolve completely, so your solution may work. The slightest amount of heat works to help it dissolve, but for Pete's sake don't overdo it and catch fire. :P
A water bath works well. Keep it below 130 F (just a number I am comfortable with, alcohol boils at 172). Even capping the container and running it under HOT tap water will work well. Swirl it around and help it dissolve and watch for evaporation!
Maybe try a small test batch at first? If it's legit powder, a pinpoint should get you off nicely but it's easy to misjudge if you aren't careful.
Please let us know how things go and maybe pm some of us the vendor if you aren't comfortable posting here. I have been looking for a good A. powder distributor since Arn0ld/Oliver!
Good luck!
And +1, Ben! Great post.