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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: twizzla on May 11, 2013, 03:56 pm

Title: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: twizzla on May 11, 2013, 03:56 pm
So basically I live in bumfuck nowhere it's very rural to say the least. I was wondering if this gives me an advantage when receiving packages because they don't have the resources to go after me?  I'm just being super paranoid because I ordered three packages at once and I'm just hoping they aren't holding any. I've done it plenty of times before with nothing happening but I've never done three packages within such a short span of time and I'm tripping out because none are here and the earliest one was ordered Monday. My friend gets medical directly from California sent in just the pill bottles because who ships it is retarded and he hasn't been caught to put that into perspective.
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: roonbaboon on May 11, 2013, 04:10 pm
Doubtful, they still have police. If anything they they probably have more time on their hands.
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: tree on May 11, 2013, 04:25 pm
It's better to live in a big city with a high crime-rate than in a rural area.. Not to mention you're probably the only one using TOR in a pretty big radius. But if you're not buying huge quantities then I wouldn't worry about a raid, you'd get a love letter first.
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: twizzla on May 11, 2013, 05:26 pm
Okay well it's a gram in one package, an OZ in one, and shrooms in another. Seems small to me, but idk what they consider a small amount.
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: tree on May 11, 2013, 06:15 pm
An OZ isn't so small... If nothing gets through, stop ordering! How long has it been? I think you should wait 10 days at least.
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: CHROOT on May 11, 2013, 06:24 pm
Not to mention you're probably the only one using TOR in a pretty big radius.

That's what I'd be more worried about. Remote users on Tor can stick out like a sore thumb :(
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: Mangauser on May 11, 2013, 06:33 pm
what about a quiet neighborhood will that be good enough to not get detected
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: MeowFlakes on May 11, 2013, 06:47 pm
your area will either be too stupid to even think there is drugs in your mail
or they will find out and make a big deal out of it and you'll be known as the guy who gets drugs in the mail

or the best worst case scenario, the postman/LE finds out and skims your drugs off the top and gives you open packages
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: z3n on May 11, 2013, 06:49 pm
Not to mention you're probably the only one using TOR in a pretty big radius.

That's what I'd be more worried about. Remote users on Tor can stick out like a sore thumb :(

Not so sure about that, do you think that ISP monitor every traffic, trying to see who is connected to tor nodes? I doubt it, at least in EU/US/CA... but I might be mistaken...

Anyway, tor can be used to browse the clearweb, so it doesn't mean that you are a silkroad user or a pedo...
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: CHROOT on May 11, 2013, 07:28 pm


Anyway, tor can be used to browse the clearweb, so it doesn't mean that you are a silkroad user or a pedo...

Sure, but somehow I get the notion that to the government, anyone using Tor is up to no good. They are pretty clear about not wanting their citizens to operate anonymously and do whatever they can to make it difficult for you.

Just look at how they are going after bitcoin. Using newly-minted FinCen rules to shut down US bitcoin exchanges. It never ends.
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: twizzla on May 11, 2013, 07:31 pm
I'm sure I'm just tripping since the earliest was Monday evening and I had to FE (TheTopShelf) so I don't even know if he actually sent it since he put in tranit so I could FE. The OZ auto finalizes in 14 days and the shrooms in 16 so it really hasn't been that long. They are pretty stupid here and I've had about 8 packages make it just fine.
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: z3n on May 11, 2013, 07:41 pm


Anyway, tor can be used to browse the clearweb, so it doesn't mean that you are a silkroad user or a pedo...

Sure, but somehow I get the notion that to the government, anyone using Tor is up to no good. They are pretty clear about not wanting their citizens to operate anonymously and do whatever they can to make it difficult for you.

Just look at how they are going after bitcoin. Using newly-minted FinCen rules to shut down US bitcoin exchanges. It never ends.

Yeah but at the same time, TOR as been created by the US govt, and it mostly founded by the US govt..

I don't exactly know why.. cause they need to send information anonymosuly and this tor noise help them in that? To promote capitalist 'democracy' in country based on other political systems? Not so sure, but the fact is that THEY did create it.. not the people of the interwebz - and somehow, they keep it alive.. So well.. Why wouldn't them whant the people to use it if the whole network deserves something tat help hem pursuing their goal?? (whatever be it)...

SR and CP might be just colateral ,damages that they are ready to accept in order to have that kind of network available for their nasty works/infowar... who knows!
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: CHROOT on May 11, 2013, 08:06 pm

TOR as been created by the US govt, and it mostly founded by the US govt..

I don't exactly know why.. cause they need to send information anonymosuly and this tor noise help them in that? To promote capitalist 'democracy' in country based on other political systems? Not so sure, but the fact is that THEY did create it

Michael Reed, one of Tor's creators, answered this very question on a Cryptome post titled "TOR Made for US Govt Open Source Spying."

I'll paste it here and put the original link at the bottom:

Why would any govt create something their enemies can easily use against
 them, then continue funding it once they know it helps the enemy, if a govt
has absolutely no control over it?


Because it helps the government as well. An anonymity network that
only the US government uses is fairly useless. One that everyone uses
 is much more useful, and if your enemies use it as well that's very
good, because then they can't cut off access without undoing their own
work.

BINGO, we have a winner!  The original *QUESTION* posed that led to the
invention of Onion Routing was, "Can we build a system that allows for
bi-directional communications over the Internet where the source and
destination cannot be determined by a mid-point?"  The *PURPOSE* was for
DoD / Intelligence usage (open source intelligence gathering, covering
of forward deployed assets, whatever).  Not helping dissidents in
repressive countries.  Not assisting criminals in covering their
electronic tracks.  Not helping bit-torrent users avoid MPAA/RIAA
prosecution.  Not giving a 10 year old a way to bypass an anti-porn
filter.  Of course, we knew those would be other unavoidable uses for
the technology, but that was immaterial to the problem at hand we were
trying to solve (and if those uses were going to give us more cover
traffic to better hide what we wanted to use the network for, all the
better...I once told a flag officer that much to his chagrin).  I should
know, I was the recipient of that question from David, and Paul was
brought into the mix a few days later after I had sketched out a basic
(flawed) design for the original Onion Routing.

The short answer to your question of "Why would the government do this?"
is because it is in the best interests of some parts of the government
to have this capability...  Now enough of the conspiracy theories...

-Michael

You can read it here: http://cryptome.org/0003/tor-spy.htm

Or check this out: https://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/no-conspiracy-theory-needed-tor-created-us-go
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: quixotist on May 11, 2013, 08:26 pm
Tor isn't just for druggies, hackers and pedos, it's for cypherpunks, security freaks and conspiracy nuts too. There's no way for anyone to tell what camp you fall into, whether you're actually using Tor or whether it's a virus on your computer connecting to a command and control centre.

As a technical guy and e-privacy activist I have no problems whatsoever with admitting my Tor use, it's a tool that everyone should use. If you're paranoid that everyone's watching you then you should probably lay off the drugs for a while.
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: z3n on May 11, 2013, 08:32 pm
Great quote, CHROOT- thanks!

And OP, as quixotist says, there are many uses for tor, so you probably don't have to worry for using it... I don't believe that it would raise a red flag. Many technical guys use it in 'developed' countries...
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: twizzla on May 11, 2013, 11:42 pm
Okay well the gram I ordered is now at my post office probably to be delivered on Monday as per the word of the vendor who tracked it. I hate having it just chill there any longer than it already is but guess I need to stop tripping. I'm guessing it's probably cool now that it has made it this far, and I can't see this post office doing anything knowing who runs it. Man, I haven't ordered in a while I forgot how shitty waiting feels and I'm way more paranoid than usual lol.
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: Railgun on May 12, 2013, 12:10 am
I'm in the same boat, and I think users here have put it nicely.  Here are my thoughts; a seasoned member may correct me if my assumptions are wrong (please do)

1) LE actually has more time on their hands.  In fact, if it's like my area, it is NOT uncommon to see about 2-4 police cars for a simple traffic violation/accident.  In a neighboring big city, this is almost unheard of.  They are more likely to want to bust someone in the area because it will set an example.  In big cities, busting someone for some weed is basically clutching straws. 

2)Regarding TOR: while I think its suspect as it has a maligned reputation, I don't think running it is any just cause.  If that were the case, we'd all have torrents automatically cause for intrustion/ISP alert, which only happens if copywrighted material is found ORIGINATING from your network. 

3) I don't know how much pot you guys smoke, but given the speediness of some of these vendors, why chance ordering more than say, a 1/2 oz (or a 1/4) at a time?  Again, referring to #1, we have GREATER restrictions because LE has nothing else to do.  You can always get a 2nd order with less weight a day or so after.

4) Be there for your package/never sign.
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: twizzla on May 12, 2013, 01:17 am
Well lets hope these "good old boys" don't ever catch wind. This is all good to know though. I have no reason to believe my packages aren't going to get here. I'm mostly just being paranoid since 8+ have made it just fine.
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: LEFTY on May 12, 2013, 01:24 am
I stopped by a small town PO the other day and the lady at the counter says "you don't look familiar" lol. I don't know if it gives you a better chance of not being detected as curious and as rumor starting as small town folk are. You better look/act squeaky clean and have no rep if you are receiving larger amounts in a town like that imo.
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: LibertarianLawyer on May 12, 2013, 01:34 am
As a criminal defense attorney in a small rural area, I would be far more comfortable sending/receiving "packages" in a big city. The police/postmasters in small rural American towns have little to do. I would think you'd be far safer in a huge metropolis where your package would be one amongst thousands.
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: twizzla on May 12, 2013, 01:44 am
Now I'm more nervous than ever lol. I should be fine unless something is up with the packages right? I mean I don't have negative rep here, and it's not like the can just open packages willy nilly because they are bored.
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: Mangauser on May 12, 2013, 01:53 am

TOR as been created by the US govt, and it mostly founded by the US govt..

I don't exactly know why.. cause they need to send information anonymosuly and this tor noise help them in that? To promote capitalist 'democracy' in country based on other political systems? Not so sure, but the fact is that THEY did create it

Michael Reed, one of Tor's creators, answered this very question on a Cryptome post titled "TOR Made for US Govt Open Source Spying."

I'll paste it here and put the original link at the bottom:

Why would any govt create something their enemies can easily use against
 them, then continue funding it once they know it helps the enemy, if a govt
has absolutely no control over it?


Because it helps the government as well. An anonymity network that
only the US government uses is fairly useless. One that everyone uses
 is much more useful, and if your enemies use it as well that's very
good, because then they can't cut off access without undoing their own
work.

BINGO, we have a winner!  The original *QUESTION* posed that led to the
invention of Onion Routing was, "Can we build a system that allows for
bi-directional communications over the Internet where the source and
destination cannot be determined by a mid-point?"  The *PURPOSE* was for
DoD / Intelligence usage (open source intelligence gathering, covering
of forward deployed assets, whatever).  Not helping dissidents in
repressive countries.  Not assisting criminals in covering their
electronic tracks.  Not helping bit-torrent users avoid MPAA/RIAA
prosecution.  Not giving a 10 year old a way to bypass an anti-porn
filter.  Of course, we knew those would be other unavoidable uses for
the technology, but that was immaterial to the problem at hand we were
trying to solve (and if those uses were going to give us more cover
traffic to better hide what we wanted to use the network for, all the
better...I once told a flag officer that much to his chagrin).  I should
know, I was the recipient of that question from David, and Paul was
brought into the mix a few days later after I had sketched out a basic
(flawed) design for the original Onion Routing.

The short answer to your question of "Why would the government do this?"
is because it is in the best interests of some parts of the government
to have this capability...  Now enough of the conspiracy theories...

-Michael

You can read it here: http://cryptome.org/0003/tor-spy.htm

Or check this out: https://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/no-conspiracy-theory-needed-tor-created-us-go
Nice Research On The Subject
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: Mangauser on May 12, 2013, 02:11 am
Going Back To The Topic No Where IS Safe Even If You Life In The Country Side You Get Caught Eventually Just Dont Order Allot OF Stuff Because You'll Look suspicions And People Will Look Through You Stuff and boom and cauht with illegal stuff and taken to jail just tell a friend that if you can deliver something to his house never order lots of stuff at the same time thats dangerous
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: twizzla on May 13, 2013, 06:04 pm
So I got my OZ today but not the gram that TheTopShelf said was at the post office on Saturday. So either he lied about where it was, or something weird is going on. The OZ was delivered without a problem and it's been hours since it got here, so no CD. I don't know what the fuck to think now.
Title: Re: Does living in a rural area give you a better chance of not being detected?
Post by: greatwhitenorth625 on May 13, 2013, 06:50 pm
Thetopshelf is a scammer. dont expect to get that gram lol. Lots of people have been popping in yesterday and today to say he fe scammed them