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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: subdude on March 16, 2012, 05:15 am
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This karma thing is funny, you can get a negative karma mark by a person who has bad karma. You can have an opinion about how dumb something is and in retaliation they give out bad karma marks to create good karma? Being upset and screwing with karma values is a weird conundrum.
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you're a weird conundrum. which drug are you on that will help explain it. but really i think this is dumb and i dont care about the bad karma. cause it's arbitrary website karma dood, don't let it get to ya.
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Once you get back to baseline you'll understand the following simple advice concerning karma;
To obtain good karma, one must not be a dick and instead of arguing to the point of attacking the person will rather disagree respectfully. Being humorous or insightful or even a combination of the two will evoke good karma also.
But above all, being a decent, thoughtful, empathic and helpful human being will garner good karma.
In other words, spread the love. We're all in this together. :)
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Once you get back to baseline you'll understand the following simple advice concerning karma;
To obtain good karma, one must not be a dick and instead of arguing to the point of attacking the person will rather disagree respectfully. Being humorous or insightful or even a combination of the two will evoke good karma also.
But above all, being a decent, thoughtful, empathic and helpful human being will garner good karma.
In other words, spread the love. We're all in this together. :)
That was nice....I'd give u karma but I'm not allowed yet :-(
A few more posts and I'll spread the love too....There have been some good people on here that have crossed my path. More than I imagined I'd encounter.
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i've never been a dick and my karma is atrocious! Maybe if i change my avatar to one similar to Pine's, i'll get my karma up.
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i've never been a dick and my karma is atrocious! Maybe if i change my avatar to one similar to Pine's, i'll get my karma up.
Please don't. I love the Princess Bride and I get a little smile whenever I see a reference to it.
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i've never been a dick and my karma is atrocious! Maybe if i change my avatar to one similar to Pine's, i'll get my karma up.
Perhaps it might have something to do with what you have written under your name: "^ Please Click the "Discourage" link above." ?
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It's curious, I got two negs quite quickly, i imagine within the first day or two of it running. The problem with this sort of system is it doesn't differentiate between posts. I'm not sure what I said that somebody didn't like, so the entire thing seems pointless.
A much better system is having a -/+ system for individual posts. That way if someone posts interesting/insightful information, people currently reading the thread can instantly see if a post is trustworthy by the amount of +'s it's been given.
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@fiveseven,
That could be a good idea. Especially if a post that is voted down enough becomes unreadable. It would be a form of community moderation. For instance, if someone posts some posts something hateful or rude, if it offends the community, it can be voted down into oblivion.
Even troll posts could find their posts obliterated.
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This is my first time being member on a forum with karma system but I can tell this much : The karma system obviuosly needs some Improvements in on way or the other. Right now I don't think it provides yet the full-proof method of telling a member's credibility.
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I seemed to get a -1 after posting in this thread which seems weird but also makes me wonder why we get no clues on the points we get.
It would probably be more helpful knowing which post received the negative or positive point so we could possibly change how we respond or at the very least, learn from it. Also, if others could see why we got our negatives/positives, it would give them a better idea of how to view our credability, since that's the point of this karma thing right?
It just doesn't make sense to judge on just how many we have altogether...or maybe that's just me?
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the points dont really mean anything. its designed, i believe, to help newer members by giving a rough balance of the community's opinion of that person's credibility or im unsure the correct word but in reality it provides a sense of usefulness to the community. this is cause previous scammers used to jack up their post count to dupe the newer members into false sense of security.
its not like you can exchange your points into bitcoins or anything so there really is no sense worrying about it. further i would argue that 'changing your reponse' is counterintuitive to this whole community so just be yourself. after a longer while the scales will prob balance out into a more true representation if your usefulness.
now maybe a system where individual posts can be liked/disliked by members is more efficient way of achieving what were acuallh trying to achieve. after all this is a huge budding social network here
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I posted about this in the feature requests forum. I'd like to click on a user's karma and see which posts were voted on and how they were rated.
Without that it becomes people downvoting for having the balls to speak the truth or upvoting for kissing someone's ass unnecessarily. It's just another form of this bullshit vendor attacks on other vendors to discredit them unfairly.
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I may have been too concerned about my negative but I still think it would help knowing which posts were worth rating.
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i dont recall ever being a dick on here and i have -3..
ive actully been helpfull on multiple occasions and im a nice dude in real life :P
i dont get it...
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now I have -5!!!!!
what the f man.. i think someone is fucking with me haha..
i dont actually care tho.. if anyone read all posts they would know i dont deserve that..
now im really confused.. :-\
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At the risk of lowering my stupid ass Karma points any more I have to say that I can't believe that I have ANY negative Karma points. I'm the coolest, nicest guy on Earth. Fuck Karma and whoever invented it and whoever brought the idea to Silk Road. Ooops. Maybe that's why I've got some negative Karma points. It all just made sense to me. Mid way through my nice Shroom trip. The Shrooms have actually taught me something. I'd take this whole post back but I want to leave it to be a learning lesson to whoever may stumble upon it.
Take my ignorance to enlightenment story to heart. (He said half jokingly)
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I don't know how to give karma : (
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I don't know how to give karma : (
You can give it when you hit 100 posts.
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I say this karma stuffs for reddit. Hav fun and who cares for a couple of numbers on the side - they mean nothing
PS if you like this msg give me karma ;)
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I also find that Karma thing useless unless their can be a new aplication when somebody give you good/bad karma that user can click on it and read the reason why. I think that must be the fairest thing to do. If i wanna give someone good karma then i have to give a short reason why, also when i give somebody bad karma. Now people can give bad karma over stupid things, like bitching to eachother tru pm's and therefor give eachother bad karma what i find realy lame. I know its just nothing for the most people, but i think some members realy think that when they have -20 karma or so that the person thinks that the whole community thinks bad about them. I know it sounds stupid to most of the members here, but wouldn't that be a solution?? Then people can ask a member " hey why you gave bad karma to that member, just about he/she said...to you??". Then we find the childish people here on the forum because they need to give a short explanation why they did it. But i don't care that much, but i know there are people here who have more then -5 karma and i find those members nice and helpfull always when i ask them something.
Just my opinion here.
Greettzz
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I agree the reciever of karma should be able to read why they received it, possibly who it was from, and even have the option to possibly discuss the matter with the the "karma-giver", at their discretion.
We also feel we have done nothing to deserve any negative karma, although we do have a good idea where it came from. And we hope it will be reverseed at some point. But again, it's just a number.
A members "karma" should be based on the merits of their posts. This "karma" policy attempts to address that to an extent, but falls short in many aspects. There is defintley room for improvement, as many of the great suggestions here have implied.
Peace
The Flipside Crew
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Right now I don't think it provides yet the full-proof method of telling a member's credibility.
Yeah, we need a empty-proof too.
lol
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Prime example.
We just received another negative karma point since our last post. We have gone out of our way to be nothing but helpful and nice on this forum, both under this alias, and many others. We honestly feel we have done nothing to "ever" deserve even a single negative point. That's why we feel it would be a nice option if one could know why a negative point was received. It would give the receiver the opportunity to fix the issue in the future.
Isn't that the point of this policy in the first place? To point out the positive or negative effects a members posts or actions may be having on others in the community?
We for one would like to know who has been posting our negative karma, and preferably know their reasons for doing so. And possibly have the opportunity to discuss the issue with them further, if they feel. How else can we can improve on "whatever it may be" in the future?
The karma system is obviously wide-open for abuse and is potentially affecting the community at large in a negative way. Our negative points could, for example, be coming from a competing vendor attempting to discredit us before we even have a chance to establish our reputation here on the Road.
No one knows unfortunately how much faith any particular member might put into another members "karma" rating, but this "could" obviously potentially affect sales for a new vendor such as ourselves.
Until the opportunity to abuse this policy (and abuse is obviously happening) is eliminated, perhaps the entire concept should be temporaraly disabled until many of the concerns expressed in this thread are addressed?
It is potentially affecting the overall legitamicy of the marketplace that the Road provides, along with (at times) potentially, and unfairly, affecting the reputations of buyers and vendors alike.
Just our opinion.
Peace
The Flipside Crew
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now I have -5!!!!!
what the f man.. i think someone is fucking with me haha..
i dont actually care tho.. if anyone read all posts they would know i dont deserve that..
now im really confused.. :-\
That is what i mean with my post. That not only you but the public can see who gave you that bad karma and the reason why. I see you are disapointed about your karma and when you really didn't do or say anything bad then its most likely a -18y person (child) or a troll. I think when you and the public can see why and who gave you bad karma then it is open for discussion and i think most of the trolls keep their silence if they know that the name of the giver is revealed + a good short explanation why?? And i know because i say this know that they gonna give me bad karma also because of my sugestion for improvement. Because when i see users with -20 or more, then i am curious what they have said or done wrong so much.
Ps : If there are users with real balls and be a real man, then speak out when you give someone bad karma. We don't have to wait for improvement just step up and write open on the forum who and why you gave someone bad karma instead of typing behind your screen and troll the whole day.
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I think this karma thing is straight up WACK yo! Some people have got serious beef, maybe go by some viagra so you can get it up long enough to fuck some bitch with AIDS.
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Lol @ Bud! ;)
But seriously. Come on? How "wack" can it really be? You only have -24 negative karma points. Considering the majority of your posts that I have read are completely reasonable and even (gasp!) helpful towards the community, I see absolutely no abuse or wackness here whatsoever. Long live Karma!
</sarcasm>
Uggg...
Peace
The Flipside Crew
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RE: This "karma" shit.
We have received 2 more (we feel) completely 'unwarranted' negative "karma" points since posting our last post in this thread. We honestly feel we have done NOTHING to deserve even ONE single negative "karma" point since we joined this forum, either under this alias, or any other we may have used in the past.
We have been nothing short of helpful, informative, and kind in all of our posts, to all members, and the community at large.
Since it has already been well established that this policy is "obviously" being abused for a variety of reasons, we feel it may competing vendors that have posted the majority of 'our' negative "karma" in an attempt to discredit us before we even have an opportunity to establish our reputation here on the Road.
Being a new vendor, offering the wide selection of products we do, at the prices we do, would be appealing to most buyers. But we are certain there are vendors here that would feel much, MUCH differently.
It has always been our intention to attempt to lower the prices here whenever possible, not only because we 'can', and are "true believers", but because we simply feel many of the prices currently being offered on certain products here are simply far, FAR too high. Nothing wrong with wanting to change that. That is "Capitalism 101" my friend. :)
This is, of course, simply our opinion. And nothing more.
Regardless, this policy is obviously being abused, as proven by the plethora of concerns expressed by members in this thread. And it's quite honestly getting pretty ridiculous at this point. It is effecting the legitimacy of the SR model in general, along with, at times, unfairly effecting the reputations of both buyers and vendors alike.
We sincerely feel this policy should possibly be temporarily suspended pending further investigation, just as the abuse of any other policy on SR would be.
Members concerns should be addressed, most importantly (we feel), we should be given the option to know why you received your "karma", possibly "who" gave it to you, and potentially even the ability to discuss the issue with the "karma-giver", at their discretion of course.
How else is anyone supposed to "learn" or otherwise know what they should do to improve on "whatever it may be" in the future? Seriously?
We feel so strongly about this at this point that we are offering a free $50 gift certificate to our shop to any member that can point to any posts we have made that would have made us deserving of, let's say, at least 3 of our (currently) 6 negative karma points. Hell, even just 1....but 3 is our "very real" offer.
Although we are quite certain our negative "karma" will increase significantly after THIS post, lol... :)
To win, you must post links to our posts that would prove (aka be peer-reviewed) that we were deserving of the majority of our negative "karma". If a respectable number of respectable members agree with you, you just got yourself $50.
Well...$50 In drugs, lol... :)
But thats a promise!
That is all.
Peace
The Flipside Crew
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man why is everyone so concerned about their arbitrary website karma?? get over it and just act as you normally would ffs.
flipside, you are receiving negative karma with your posts here cause youre trolling for people to give you +1 it seems or its just blatant whining about your -1 and thats just fucking annoying. hence why people are 'punishing' you for your barely veiled attempt to have positive karma thrown at you. who gives a shit, you cant exchange them for btc and people are gonna find out your karma anyway from just your posts. i know you probably think as a vendor you need to build up the good rep well you're doing it wrong. have successful transactions on the road with good feedback there. thats all you need to do.
now for $50 prize, no thanks but just so you know i gave you -1 (the first ive ever given) for your post just now
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Well, Flipside, I am not going to try to win anything from you, and feel free to ding my karma for this, but I gave you a -1 not for a specific post, but about your entire original business model of all communication being done off of SR, and I really think that the individual key per customer idea is horrible....... [off subject] in my mind, I imagine a defense lawyer trying to convince a jury that "anyone could have ordered that" when each individual has ONE key that they use. [/off subject]
So I gave you a -1 not from a single post, but because I don't like YOU. I am not embarassed or ashamed of the karma I gave you. But from here forward, I will try to remember to post when I give neg. karma. I hope you can appreciate my honesty!
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To both cheifrogan and wretched. I applaud you both for standing up and expressing your reasons for posting your karma. This is the first time I have seen anyone do this, and it is indeed :a "very" honorable action ;).
I do however feel you have both misunderstood certain things about me/us that may have contributed to your opinions and choices.
Cheif:
1. As I have expressed past, I am 'truly' not bothered by the karma. It is just a number. Plain and simple. I feel the merits of my posts speak for themselves. It is the ongoing abuse of this poilcy that concerns me.
2. I have never "trolled" for points. Or "trolled", anywhere. Ever. I have indeed expressed my sincere concerns re: this policy, and would appreciate it if you could perhaps point me to any posts where you feel I have done so. The thought has ,quite honestly, NEVER even crossed my mind until you mentioned it.
3. Besides some of what you consider "whining" in this tread, every other post we have made on these forums have been extremely helpful and considerate, offering sound advice to others in need, or sometimes to announce to the community information about our new business, the selection of products we carry, and the security methods we employ to protect each customers personal information. What is wrong with that?
We, among many other long-time, successful vendors, have used these policies for many years. It's not some idea we just 'dreamed up' recently. Our overall security protocol is a proven recipe we spent years designing, and we fell it most definately provides additional, beneficial security for everyone involved. Why would 'anyone', be against better increased security?
4. We intend to establish our reputation on the Road the "old-fashioned" way. Free samples, great customer service, low prices and fast shipping times. And at times, yes, promotions. Although I am but one of a team in our endevour, I have 'persoanlly' run a few of my own successful businesses in the "real-world" over the years. So this ain't my first rodeo. ;)
But we honestly feel you have misunderstood our intentions on certain matters Cheif. This is unfortunate, and we can only hope that you would consider rethinking some of these matters over again. But the world will keep spinning regardless... ;)
wretched:
1. Again we feel you too have misunderstood some things about us. We have NEVER intended to, attempted to, claimed to, and of course never sold "anything" off SR since we have been a vendor here. We have, and intend to continue, to follow ALL of the rules that the Road requires of us. We have discussed this matter extensively with SR staff, and they agree. We have posted it numerous times in various threads. Where do you get this information? We really don't know why you would think we opperate outside of SR, escrow, ect.? We have made this fact VERY clear, numerous times.
2. I would never 'ding' anyone's karma for simply expressing their opinion. Everyone is entitled to opinions, and to express them here.
Assigning unique contact emails is a proven, long-standing security enhancment with enormous potential benifits to both buyer and vendor. The best vendors we know have used this method for years. We have explained our reasoning behind this policy in our vendor threads, however we would be happy to elaborate more here if you like?
It is our opinion that along with assigning unique GPG keys to each new account, using unique contact emails at the same time truly is a step "forward" in security for all parties involved. I feel perhaps you do not quite fully understand the concept? No offense intended at all my friend, but if you would like to further understand the benifits this policy can provide, either search our vendor threads, or just ask.
And its really is no different than how most other vendors do it. We give you a public key and a email address to contact us. How is that much different from how many other vendors do it? Seriously?
I am sorry you seem have made up your mind that you "just don't like me" already. We don't even know each other my friend. Except for a few posts in this thread? I rest assured that I aim to be the best possible person I can be on a daily basis, and seek to improve myself all the time in my 35+ cycles on spaceship Earth.
And those who truly know m (both on and off-line) agree. My friends in the real world consider me a great person, and that means more to me than your opinion, again, no offense intended. And I feel the same about myself. I go out of my way to be as polite and helpful to others as possible. I honestly do my best to 'do my part' for the community, and I feel the majority of my posts reflect that. I hope perhaps, over time, that I can convince you I am truly not a bad person.
But thank you both for having the balls to stand up and speak your minds. Although I do not agree with much of what either of you posted about me/us, I feel many of your opinions were based on misunderstandings.
Either way, thank you. I honestly do respect and appreciate your opinions and your explanations as to why you gave us negative karma. I truly wish this were always an option. Your opinions are respected, and we support everyones "self-evident" right to express them.
You two are true pioneers! ;) For that, we thank you. ;)
Peace
The Flipside
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You should be able to see who left you the bad or good karma and why. Otherwise its pretty much pointless. Kind of cowardly if you ask me.
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I agree. Every rating system I have ever seen is flawed and can be manipulated.
In forums, the newcomers are at the mercy of the people that have been there longer, so the newbies have to basically kiss everyone's asses while the veterans can say whatever they want.
I have been on forums where you can leave positive ratings for good posts, and some people get good ratings almost immediately for the stupidest comments.
In online commerce forums, sellers just find a way to buy feedback or to give themselves feedback. Feedback rating can tell you something, but not everything, about a seller. On silkroad, I say you are taking a risk anyway, so if you can't afford to lose the money that you were going to use, just don't buy it.
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{unless "you've openly offended someone for no apparent reason...}
- don't let the karma thing bother you it doesn't mean anything, someone with +20 & -10 versus +7 & -1 versus +5 & -5....they're all individuals and got their ratings
for different reasons and picked on cos they have opinion or _ _ _ _ _
- nobody in their right mind is going to implement a feature if they can't see the admin "messaging" assoc with it.
- its unlikely users are going to be able to cross-reference who marked someone down etc, ends up being a mud slinging match.
I stick to fairness,
do what you believe in,
give credit where its due
and discourage....you know what
...if you discourage individual participation then its no better than our governments who treat you like a slave just want you to take orders...
don't follow like sheep...think for yourself..
Peace
- suppose "you" could ask yourself what do you want to discourage?
- nothing personal to the above posters i don't know what your circumstances have been...
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...must be law of the jungle?!
:o :o
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i dont recall ever being a dick on here and i have -3..
ive actully been helpfull on multiple occasions and im a nice dude in real life :P
i dont get it...
Same for me but now you have -8. lmfao
yea i havnt been on here in a week and i went from -5 to -8.... :P ....
srsly what the f is going on here.. i dont rly care i guess but this system is rly messed up, ive done litterally nothing..
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...what do i need when walking thru a jungle ...wild animals running amuck ...a machete?! ..the good book, jamie oliver's last recipe book in case i get hungry...i'll support
anyone who has good info, nice read, int tech jargon, various anecdotes that help in some way, i don't have to be positive 24x7 to recognise it...so far i might as well
throw everything i thought were right out-da-window and join the boyscouts...do you get a free spliff ?!
:o
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...or just FO with this karma thing. "Opinion ratings" are normal things within dictatorships, so just ignore it and be happy.
I'll not - or + anybody, a - rounds about to be the same as try to enforce someone to think as I do (Hitler anybody?), a + would mean I was but a sheep agreeing plainly with whosoever. As I don't agree or disagree 100% to anyone, it's impossible, I just don't care for that feature.
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...or just FO with this karma thing. "Opinion ratings" are normal things within dictatorships, so just ignore it and be happy.
I'll not - or + anybody, a - rounds about to be the same as try to enforce someone to think as I do (Hitler anybody?), a + would mean I was but a sheep agreeing plainly with whosoever. As I don't agree or disagree 100% to anyone, it's impossible, I just don't care for that feature.
werd
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how did i get -2 karma.. I post the truth about my orders and shippin plus i dont bash and vendors.. Hermm is there a way to see how gives u bad karma...
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We've just finally reached the point where yet another Silk Road rating system turns out to useless because it's so open to abuse. Karma is getting to be like the SR vendor rating number. Vendors can create a number of alternate SR user accounts and then log in to those user accounts for the sole purpose of building up the vendor's rating. It's done because it works.
And now we have this Karma rating where you can get dinged for just trying to get people to not try shit that will blow up in their faces. O.K., fine, I'll disregard Karma ratings the same way I disregard SR vendor ratings.
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Well, there should only be the ability to leave positive Karma. Negative Karma doesn't have any real meaning. I've seen posters with a lot of negative Karma that doesn't make any sense considering their posts have been good.
And not being able to see who left a positive or negative sort of defeats the purpose and can create "paranoia" in some. "I bet it was so and so who left me a negative!" LOL.
Remove the negative Karma and you remove one half of abusing the system. Negative Karma serves no purpose.
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Vendors can create a number of alternate SR user accounts and then log in to those user accounts for the sole purpose of building up the vendor's rating. It's done because it works.
That's so funny. I hadn't thought of it like that. I am an electronic musician, and I remember back in the day with the original MP3.com, logging into various public library computers, to obtain unique IP's (back before I was using proxy's, let alone Tor) all to try and boost my ratings and try to promote my music and make a few bux off it. : ) That was 'then', of course.
I do suppose however it is a very realistic possibility that vendors could do what you suggest (yet just another way this policy may or may not be currently being abused). But I do believe in general, a vendors reputation tends to speaks for itself. Both thru feedback from their transactions, as well the opinions expressed by their respective customers on the forums. "If" a vendor were to use this tactic, it would most likely only work well against 'newbie' buyers.
Peace
The Flipside Crew
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The only purpose negative Karma serves is for people to make people know they disagree with them.
When I have the ability to give Karma I'll only give positive because like others have said, I just don't see the point in negative Karma.
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I appreciate the effort and thought that went into this, coming from people trying to improve the site, and I guess the idea is it would let people logging in see who to listen to, who is respected and appreciated by the rest of us, all that. Problem is, it just doesn't work. Negative karma particularly seems to have no bearing on anything that I can see. Maybe a little vindictiveness is it, but it's totally useless as far as getting an accurate picture of the person who has it.
I've been on other sites that've tried various means to accomplish the same thing, and I've not seen anything that works, other than just hanging out a lot on the site itself.
I actually think it should be discontinued, or if that isn't acceptable, discontinue the negative karma, and just leave positive. Like others, I haven't yet, and won't post negative karma.
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The more I think about the more i agree eliminating the ability to post "negative" karma 'might' be a good idea. However, on the other hand I also feel it would defeat the entire purpose of the entire "karma" concept in general.
Kind of like I fucking HATE neo-nazi's, but I (reluctantly) 100% support their right to gather in public to express their beliefs, as provided by the US Constitution, as well as in various country-wide and international laws/treaty's in effect throughout the world.
So I am still torn between whether it would be "fair" to eliminate "only" the ability to post negative karma (as much sense as it might make at times), as opposed to eliminating the concept in general, and letting members retain the freedom to speak and post karma for themselves as they please.
Although this policy is obviously being abused by some, it is the "secrecy" behind "who" posted the karma and "why" that seems to be the issue. We were "very" happy today to receive a pm from an anonymous member informing us they had given us our 6th "positive" karma point. :)
We of course expressed our sincere gratitude, however, an explanation as to why they chose to do so would have been nice. So it works both ways. Although I'd imagine (and hope) that the very fact that we received our point must be due to us having "some" sort of "positive" impact on the community at large. And that alone is reason enough I suppose. :)
But the same cannot be said for "negative" karma.
If someone post's something that is truly "bad" advice (which I do believe is the purpose of the ability to post negative karma in the first place, no? To discourage such behavior?), then certainly multiple respected members will surely post shortly after why they feel might it be bad advice.
So the "karma" system is 'essentially' already in effect, only in a much more democratic and 'opensource' ;) way, as it stands.
Or so a little bird told me. :)
Peace
The Flipside Crew
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this karma thing is stupid. I could careless if everyone gives me negative karma because my SR vendor page speaks for it self not what some dumb troll wants to do just for the fuck of it or because you might say something they don't like.
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And indeed every time we seem to post in this thread, we tend to receive another negative point, lol. Yes, this getting quite ridiculous. And yes, I agree a vendors profile page and "real" feedback speaks much more about them than any amount of "karma" points.
Peace
The Flipsde Crew
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So I am still torn between whether it would be "fair" to eliminate "only" the ability to post negative karma (as much sense as it might make at times), as opposed to eliminating the concept in general, and letting members retain the freedom to speak and post karma for themselves as they please.
Although this policy is obviously being abused by some, it is the "secrecy" behind "who" posted the karma and "why" that seems to be the issue. We were "very" happy today to receive a pm from an anonymous member informing us they had given us our 6th "positive" karma point. :)
- how about defining what gets positive and negative karma.
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^^^--- I 2nd this! I'm not even sure why Karma exists on here... I haven't been posting here long, and someone gave me one already!? Really, lol. ::)
This forum is anonymous (with no requirements on making more fake accounts) so the Trolls/Scammers/Fakes will continure to tip the scales in either direction.
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I like how the OP is a guest. Hehe
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Lol, yeah maybe he already closed the account, and that's what it says?! ???
And wohoo, workin on -3 so far! 8)
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Yeah I really don't understand this Karma thing either. Last night I somehow got -2. And I'm always just spreading the love. I think they got mad that I posted to ignore trolls. (please don't give me any more negative karma for saying that) I get the message. lol
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i dont recall ever being a dick on here and i have -3..
ive actully been helpfull on multiple occasions and im a nice dude in real life :P
i dont get it...
Didnt get past this. I feel the same man, I always try to be of service. And have bitten my tounge a few times to "be the bigger man" and I am +3/-3 :(
I just wanna be friends with my like minded people :P
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i dont recall ever being a dick on here and i have -3..
ive actully been helpfull on multiple occasions and im a nice dude in real life :P
i dont get it...
Didnt get past this. I feel the same man, I always try to be of service. And have bitten my tounge a few times to "be the bigger man" and I am +3/-3 :(
I just wanna be friends with my like minded people :P
^^I just want to be friends with my like minded people too. I didn't know it was so difficult to do so though! ;p
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With so many TRULY good, honest, helpful memebers here seeming to get so much negative karma for no apparent reason, I'm starting to wonder if it might perhaps just be a glitch in the SR system? It "is" a new implementation after all?
Perhaps SR staff/coders could chime in on this possibilty?
Peace
TFC
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Meh. I like it when people turn me on. <3 ;P
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Meh. I like it when people turn me on. <3 ;P
LOL!
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Meh. I like it when people turn me on. <3 ;P
If you are perhaps referring to ourselves, we are NOT people. We are self-transforming machine elves from an alternate dimension, somehow intersecting with our own. (Terrance/Spacetime-Alien Dreamtime LIVE 93'ish?) CHECK IT OUT!!!!!
Our favorite color is "crawling geometric hallucinations along the domed walls...."
We manufacture the glue that holds the multiiverse itself together, but we are currently out of stock. Our sincere apologies. :)
But if you 'were' referring to us, we have absolutely no phreakin idea what you are talking about. But then again, we ARE certified retarded, perma-fried space-case machine elves from the mushroom-dotted plains of Africa...of 10,000 years ago....or maybe we just "say" that to throw of LE....Imagine. as we speak, LE are wasting time and $ to find Faberge eggs from mars? On Spaceship Earth?...can u imagine. We can't.
But then again, we lost our imagination (along with all sense of reality and ANY chance of getting laid again) "somewhere" in hyperspace...Reward being offer if found. Thank you. ;)
Lord knowz we aint gotz tha shmartz...(or more accurately, we can not find a good, affordable SE Asian source at this time)
Hell, I'd probably just settle for 30 seconds with a SE Asian at this point anyways tho..;)
Peace
TFC
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pretty obvious :-
- i don't believe any mod or admins are going to want to do anything about resolving karma qualms we have as individuals.
- why implement a system like karma when you know what additional problems it would introduce and already made
up your mind you'll be ignoring the extra administration overhead..
- its just like politicians and their unjust laws introduced by the backdoor: made law that its supposed to catch criminals but is (mis)applied to
where ever it sticks.
- karma to be appllied to thank and get rid of trolls, but
- its hidden -nobody can query anything..?!
- and what happens to those who make obscene comments etc = nothing?!
- would it help get rid of say -scammers ....currently = No?!
{sound familiar?!}
- hence why its intentionally implemented by design.
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In all honestly, I think SR staff have 'much' more serious matters to be concerned about at the moment. Like ensuring the ongoing security of the entire community. I'm certain they feel OUR safety if far more worthy of the limited amount of time they have to spend working on the site, ect, than to concern themselves with 'rather' small issues like this; as important as they may be to many of us, and even though it 'was' them that implemented policies such as this in the first place.
I also believe their 'intentions' were 100% sincere when they thought to implement the system in the first place. It seems they perhaps they just didn't 'think it through' as well as they should have before implementing it. We have made similar mistakes in the past, aka, offering products before we were fully ready to do so. We have also learned from those mistakes.
SR is only around a year old, and is indeed still a "work in progress", and I can only imagine the amount of variables/factors they must consider when running a site like this. I do believe they are doing their best.
The fact that they have not responded quicker to this issue, imo, is (in all honesty) a "testament" to DPR's integrity, aka, his choice to trust and use only a "very" small group of hand-picked mods and staff. As opposed to just 'hiring' (even just "one" more) mod to deal with the overflow of 'issues' such as this floating around.
And just a another thought...
Perhaps a 'compromise' between many of the thoughts in this thread?
What if it took 2-3 "separate" negative discouragements, from 2-3 separate members, before 1 negative point were posted for any given member?
Since the 'negative' aspect of the karma seems to be the problem, this would help stem "unwarranted" negative points, to an extent, no?
Just a thought. :)
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flipside;
- yes, i see they must have more serious things to deal with..but not much ...occasional db errors, some forum cleanup.
- do not assume cos i think karma is shit..that i view everything to be....i do appreciate lots, i just got lots on my plate and my own serious issues
& stressful things to deal with day to day...
- may be a work-in-progress but am sure the mods and techies have plenty of experience and have run other forums; i imagine DPR covers his
costs from surcharges and commisions, we all need more money..
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TWM,
We COMPLETLEY agree!
Karma "is" SHIT!
But there are TRULY just 24 hours in one day. And a (respected) 'limited' amount of mods/staff. That have their own lives to deal with as well.
As you said. We ALL have 'a lot on our plate'. We ALL need money. And I'm certian most of us here have 'stress' in our lives...'mozdev' SR mods and staff included. :)
And they probably have A LOT more on their plates to deal with than you may think...all for "us".
I'm sure this all will work out in time my friend. :)
Just let the community forum feedback and individual members posts/vendor feedback speak for themselves. That's our opinion.
Unless this issue is addressed ASAP, it should really just be discontinued until it's 'good to go'.
Should there really be 'this' many pages/issues wasted over this 'single' issue? We think not.
You may now post more negative karma for us.
Thank you. ;)
TFC
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eh..personally I don't pay any attention to it. Seems like a convenient tool for groupers to gang up on people, and I'm an individualist.
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Ours thoughts as well. Perhaps even groups of collaborating vendors using negative karma to attempt to discredit other competing vendors, ect.
Since the karma is anonymous, 'anyone' could easily set up multiple accounts to get 100+ posts very quickly. Then post neg karma for whatever reason. Every 3 days. And then again. And again. And..."to infinity and beyond!"
Many users likely just assume the karma they see 'must' be legit since it does take 100 posts to use (or abuse) this function. But again. It's anon, and very easy to rack up 100 posts, in a very short time. :(
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oook now i understand, you can give bad or good karma only when you have 100 or more posts
interesting 8)
thanks for this info
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Uh, did I miss something...?
Just saw that I was spanked with -1 karma!
Went back and read through my meager amount of posts, and I don't see anything there that should have caused anyone disconcern!
I've been trying to post proper and valuable questions here to the 'Road, and I wonder why someone would do that.
Maybe its cause I'm an alien!
Oh well, I'll keep my head up high, I guess...:(
-Omega
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This is funny as hell and I'm sure the mods are getting a huge kick out of all us people on here crying over getting negative karma. Watch me get another negative for saying this. Probably because I use profanity hahaha but it's just words. I am very philosophical and I don't follow any religion but I have a deep faith in God. I don't care if these bible thumpers think I am going to hell. To me, they are all brainwashed and being controlled by a book. Now hit me up with some negative shit hahahaha
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..negative karma here equates to the positive karma I get irl.
TWM
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..its been a real good week, but then the news headlines are a stark reminder of who are paying the real price for war, poverty and the millionaire criminals at the centre of it and I have no real reason to be content nor happy about anything.
Peace
TWM
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I Need Somw Good Karma Do IHave To Get To 100
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How does on get/receive karma? There have been time where I'd really like to give a "+1" to someone because their reply/post/answer/whatever was really good and I appreciate it and the Karma systems seems to be a way of doing so. I have yet to figure that out. Some assistance would be great.
P.S. I have no idea how or why I'd ever get -Karma.. Oh well. I suppose haters gotta hate.
Thanks in advanced!
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there will always be trolls out there... no matter what site you go to
some people do NOTHING but sit at home and leave fucked up comments and give "bad karma" in my opinion, those are the type of people who have NO job, live in their parents basements and jack off to anime all day!
here comes the negative karma!
*sits back and waits*
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whoa, haha, this karma thing is hilarious
had minus 2 a couple of days ago and it's now minus 23!!!!! good job my self esteem is ok! checking through my posts can't work out how i've been so offensive.... i must just be a natural windup or summat
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Haha, chill your beans people. Its just a stupid gimmick... all in good fun
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I don't see why all these old Karma posts keep getting resurrected.
It's simple; don't be a dick. Try to be helpful and respectful. If you still have negative karma then it just means there are a lot of other dicks out there with -100 karma giving everyone else bad karma.
In the end though.. why does it even matter? I tend to look at post count more so as a way of judging someones validity rather than an arbitrary 'karma' number.