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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: DeadRa7 on February 12, 2013, 03:23 pm
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So I'm browsing through the lesser known MDMA vendor pages (8 or 9 pages back) and come across a new vendor named DutchTrade (http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/fdf185c644) and my very first thought was damn, this is Dutchaanbod (or Pf?). For those of you who are unfamiliar with Dutchaanbod, his profile is still up at http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/8cfa29972d, however he hasn't been online in quite some time, although he did promise a return (he didn't say it'd be on his account though!)
This vendor is either a copycat of dutch, or is him reincarnated into another profile for whatever reason (I consider dutchaanbod a legend here due to his customer service, price, quality and top-notch stealth so why he would make another profile and start all over again doesn't really make sense to me, but it is possible....)
Anyways, This DutchTrade guy has only been mentioned on the forums once before so I was hoping to maybe get a second opinion on what the road thinks.
I am curious about this vendor, but I really don't have the balls to be his second customer-especially since its coming out of NL and not Germany.
"Hi Guys,
As you can see we're quite new on Silkroad.
Being new doesn't say we're inexperienced.
With our knowledge and experience over the past few years we are proud to say:
-DutchTrade your specialist in MDMA-"
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doubt it... why wouldn't he announce it or put it on his page somewhere? he'd get a massive amount of business instantly, myself included lol. and why would he shell out an extra 500$ for a new vendor account? also this guy's english looks pretty significantly better than dutch's. not dissing him at all though, could be a great vendor in the making, who knows.
somewhat off topic, but does anyone know why all of this super pure molly always comes out of germany or the netherlands? something to do with the availability of precursors/labs?
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somewhat off topic, but does anyone know why all of this super pure molly always comes out of germany or the netherlands? something to do with the availability of precursors/labs?
I have been wondering the same thing!
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doubt it... why wouldn't he announce it or put it on his page somewhere? he'd get a massive amount of business instantly, myself included lol. and why would he shell out an extra 500$ for a new vendor account? also this guy's english looks pretty significantly better than dutch's. not dissing him at all though, could be a great vendor in the making, who knows.
somewhat off topic, but does anyone know why all of this super pure molly always comes out of germany or the netherlands? something to do with the availability of precursors/labs?
Valid points-It was just a highdea that I thought of-it may be nothing but I just had a hunch about it
somewhat off topic, but does anyone know why all of this super pure molly always comes out of germany or the netherlands? something to do with the availability of precursors/labs?
My belief is that side of the world's more lax view on drug policy and policing-they are not in a 'war on drugs' and their resources are directed towards more important matters. However, this is based on nothing except from what I've read about Europe's drug policies.
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doubt it... why wouldn't he announce it or put it on his page somewhere? he'd get a massive amount of business instantly, myself included lol. and why would he shell out an extra 500$ for a new vendor account? also this guy's english looks pretty significantly better than dutch's. not dissing him at all though, could be a great vendor in the making, who knows.
somewhat off topic, but does anyone know why all of this super pure molly always comes out of germany or the netherlands? something to do with the availability of precursors/labs?
Valid points-It was just a highdea that I thought of-it may be nothing but I just had a hunch about it
somewhat off topic, but does anyone know why all of this super pure molly always comes out of germany or the netherlands? something to do with the availability of precursors/labs?
My belief is that side of the world's more lax view on drug policy and policing-they are not in a 'war on drugs' and their resources are directed towards more important matters. However, this is based on nothing except from what I've read about Europe's drug policies.
yeah I figured :P we can dream, dutch really was the best.
Even with laxer drugs laws (i love europe), I can't see the EU ignoring the commercial grade MDMA production that these vendors HAVE to have to be able to sell the amounts they do at those prices. and if that was the case we'd probably see it coming from France and Spain and such. Hmmm.
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LOL ya I'm about 90% sure that's dutch. I was wondering when he'd pop back up. I've often wondered if dutchaanbod and pf were the exact same dude or couple of dudes.
Maybe dutch lost a shitload of packages en route to be Germany from NL and that's why he took a breather.... or maybe just a nice long vacation!
I'll be placing an order. If this is the real dutch, his packaging is very nice. And so long as you order TNT and stay in escrow, you won't be getting scammed.
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somewhat off topic, but does anyone know why all of this super pure molly always comes out of germany or the netherlands? something to do with the availability of precursors/labs?
not freedom hating dicks and acknowledge adults more do what they want and have more better thing to do with time and money. ;)
if you ship to US, NL is not a good place to come from. no show rate is higher and risk high. be good for vendor to drive to DE or Belgium to send too.
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Damn he has a nice 100g price plus 10% not bad! Someone bite the pillow and go in!
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DutchTrade requires FE. Maybe dutch got fed up with all the issues regarding people finalizing. It's too bad there's no in between for good vendors like dutchaanbod. I think SR should have a new system when a vendor becomes 'trusted' that they can ask for 25-40% FE upfront, what do you guys think about that? Also, DutchTrade listings say he ships from netherlands, I ask him and told me he sends from germany, just like dutchaanbod did, interesting...
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DutchTrade requires FE. Maybe dutch got fed up with all the issues regarding people finalizing. It's too bad there's no in between for good vendors like dutchaanbod. I think SR should have a new system when a vendor becomes 'trusted' that they can ask for 25-40% FE upfront, what do you guys think about that? Also, DutchTrade listings say he ships from netherlands, I ask him and told me he sends from germany, just like dutchaanbod did, interesting...
Where does it say he requires FE? Vendors are not allowed to require FE until after they have built up a reputation here, and even so, NOBODY should EVER FE...EVER.
I carefully reviewed his vendor page and every one of his listings and nowhere does it say he requires FE.
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DutchTrade requires FE. Maybe dutch got fed up with all the issues regarding people finalizing. It's too bad there's no in between for good vendors like dutchaanbod. I think SR should have a new system when a vendor becomes 'trusted' that they can ask for 25-40% FE upfront, what do you guys think about that? Also, DutchTrade listings say he ships from netherlands, I ask him and told me he sends from germany, just like dutchaanbod did, interesting...
Where does it say he requires FE? Vendors are not allowed to require FE until after they have built up a reputation here, and even so, NOBODY should EVER FE...EVER.
I carefully reviewed his vendor page and every one of his listings and nowhere does it say he requires FE.
He told me in a private message that he ships from Germany and that he requires FE. I can post a screenshot if desired.
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This is very interesting.
Dutchaanbod has been gone for over a month now, DutchTrade is 18 days young. They both mention on their profile about not accepting "paysafecard / Moneybookers / paypal". Shipping times are the same on both profiles, both Dutch's gave tracking out on >50g orders. Both listings for the MDMA are exactly the same character wise. Many more similarities in their profiles.
Either this is Dutch 2.0, a tradeoff too a mate or somebody with no originality. (can't complain on the prices though if legit :))
Knowing that he is requiring FE for such a new vendor is quite upsetting though :(
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DutchTrade requires FE. Maybe dutch got fed up with all the issues regarding people finalizing. It's too bad there's no in between for good vendors like dutchaanbod. I think SR should have a new system when a vendor becomes 'trusted' that they can ask for 25-40% FE upfront, what do you guys think about that? Also, DutchTrade listings say he ships from netherlands, I ask him and told me he sends from germany, just like dutchaanbod did, interesting...
Where does it say he requires FE? Vendors are not allowed to require FE until after they have built up a reputation here, and even so, NOBODY should EVER FE...EVER.
I carefully reviewed his vendor page and every one of his listings and nowhere does it say he requires FE.
He told me in a private message that he ships from Germany and that he requires FE. I can post a screenshot if desired.
If this is so, then I'm sorry for doubting you but you have to understand my skepticism. If he requires FE, then this may be a scam account by someone pretending to ride off the success of Dutch., which on an anonymous market isn't difficult to do.
Fuck FE though, On to the next one if that's the case and I'd suggest everyone else use vendors that stay within the escrow system because it's put their for our, the buyers, protection.
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Hmmm, prices are similar and I distinctly remember dutchaanbod not offering 50g listings (I had to get 5x10g MDMA listings, just confirmed by looking at my feedback from back then). The Silk Road can be pretty nefarious so it's hard to know for sure. It could be dutch, it could be a friend of his, it could be someone trying to ride his coat tails, heck it could even be you DeadRa7 for all that we know.
As someone in the USA though I'm hardly willing to try getting things shipped in from central Europe, and definitely not a chance with FE.
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no matter who is, don FE and world will be good for you, if no good you in escrow ;)
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This definitely looks like Dutchanbood for several reasons:
-Pricing is similar. Also, the actual prices aren't rounded off like most vendors do, which has to do with pre-commission and post-commission option offered to vendor.
-********************* usage on his vendor profile is just like Dutchanbood's. So is the FAQ's
-Timing of account being made is very close to when Dutch stopped logging in
-Grammar style is very much like Dutchanbood's
-Amounts listed (5,10,50,100) are just like Dutchanbood's
-Uses tracking, just like Dutchanbood!
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no matter who is, don FE and world will be good for you, if no good you in escrow ;)
Are you sure you're not dutchaanbod?
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-Amounts listed (5,10,50,100) are just like Dutchanbood's
*1,5,10,100
I asked them yesterday a few questions, among one of them "do you require FE" to which they responded "Sorry we're quite new on SR, what do you mean with require FE?". I'll take this as they don't require early release of payment, so I think I'ma take the drive and place a small order. If they request FE after its marked in transit then I'll ask for it to be canceled.
New pics up look promising. I'll keep you all posted.
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no matter who is, don FE and world will be good for you, if no good you in escrow ;)
Are you sure you're not dutchaanbod?
HAHA I was just gonna say, the only thing that this DutchTrade fellow has on his profile that's different than dutchanbod is correct english grammar, and he puts the 't' at the end of 'don't', while dutchaanbods 'signature' (I guess) was to spell it 'don'
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Damn, I hope this is true. Assuming he doesn't require you FE, I might have to jump on this...
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Haha yeah man that signature "don" lol
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Haha yeah man that signature "don" lol
IF YOU DON LIKE IT DON ORDER CALICOJAK
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Haha yeah man that signature "don" lol
IF YOU DON LIKE IT DON ORDER CALICOJAK
I actually LOL'D! ;D
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If anyone takes the risk please let us know how it works out... I miss Dutch and Pfand.. We need that great service and quality for this summer!
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If anyone takes the risk please let us know how it works out... I miss Dutch and Pfand.. We need that great service and quality for this summer!
I went ahead and did-10g's with tracking. We shall see, I'll keep this and the MDMA vendors thread updated. Full review and pics will follow upon it's arrival
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Nah, what really keeps me from thinking it's Dutchaanbod is the MUCH better English. I've come to love the garbled English now though lol.
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I went ahead and did-10g's with tracking. We shall see, I'll keep this and the MDMA vendors thread updated. Full review and pics will follow upon it's arrival
He ask you to FE?
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It would be really nice if it was dutch, however this seems a little too good to be true. Why would Dutch create a new name, tell people he's "new to the road", offer slightly higher prices ( and even 1g's when he said he was over that) and almost identically copy his old seller page minus the spelling errors. Just seems a little fishy to me, but a good tactic if you wanna get people interested in your stuff. Ill be stoked if this guys legit and i'd lose my shit, sell my belongings and by up EVERYTHING if it was really dutchaanbod.
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Ill be stoked if this guys legit and i'd lose my shit, sell my belongings and by up EVERYTHING if it was really dutchaanbod.
haha that's some straight junkie shit right there, but I concur-I wish I would have ordered from dutch when I had the chance if I knew he was only going to be around for a couple-few months.
I went ahead and did-10g's with tracking. We shall see, I'll keep this and the MDMA vendors thread updated. Full review and pics will follow upon it's arrival
He ask you to FE?
My order is still pending, in a few hours it'll be the 24 hour mark-when he asked me "what is fe" I explained it to him before I provided the addy and why it is generally not acceptable for vendors, especially new ones-unless there are special circumstances like a high risk country ect... If he comes back and asks me to FE, I'll either cancel the order but so far no response. I'll keep you all updated.
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Posting to sub, I've been AWOL but still ghosting the road.
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Do not finalize early.
There is no valid reason to assume this is Dutch... because its not Dutch.
Do you really believe that a serious vendor is making those offerings without ever reviewing the forums, without knowing a common abbreviation like FE...?
I could give you a few more compelling points, but the bottom-line is that this doesn't add up yet. Don't be a sheep to slaughter.
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But asking for FE a a new vendor... I was interested until you ask me that shit. Home dog DuchtTrade, maybe you have the best shit in town but considering seizures between central and USA, call me nervous especially with FE.
DutchTrade... everyone and their mom is watching your shit closely. You will either make it big or peter out into obscurity. Your fate is in your hands. Us buyers just want reliability and high quality shit. You treat us well and we'll make sure the favor is returned.
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I just found this under his FAQ-
------------------------------------------------------- ESCROW-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Q : Do i need to finalize early?
A : No, you don't have to finalize early. For orders >50gr we do require you to pay/release the BTC once you received your tracking code.
Still seems legit, people shouldn't be ordering bulk yet anyways (see:Foxbelle77)
However, it's just another similarity to the first Dutch though. This is getting so mind boggling-I'll keep the forum updated but so far so good.
DutchTrade... everyone and their mom is watching your shit closely. You will either make it big or peter out into obscurity. Your fate is in your hands. Us buyers just want reliability and high quality shit. You treat us well and we'll make sure the favor is returned.
I don't know if he'll see this or not, but I couldn't have said it better myself. Let's keep our fingers crossed, shall we?
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its not dutchaanbod and its not me ;)
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^^wut happened to dutchaanbod?
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as far as i know he was getting tired of SR+BTC.
The guys who made the SR stuff for him needed a break, and now it looks like they never returned.
i havent seen him for a while so im not 100%, but pretty sure though.
and i also know the mdma prices from the supplier were getting too high
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make a comeback pf we need you lad
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nah im fine ;)
i lived like in a movie, i just dont want it to end like one ;)
i stick to my "homegrow" ;)
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That's exactly why you rocked ^_^
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good idea man you're smart lol. Prolly have enough cash racked up for a minute eh
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turnover in the best month was like 500 000 €
and best profit was around 120 000 in one month, so.. im cool :)
Thanks to all my customers !
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Super interested. Depending on how this pans out I'd be interested in an order. :)
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Here's my messaging with DutchTrade regarding Finalizing Early. Remember most recent messages are at the top:
DutchTrade Hi [My SR Username],
Yes, we do require finalizing early for all orders. Orders larger than 50g will be sen with a tracking.
We're new on SR so to be honest we cannot give you a success rate yet.
We are looking forward to receiving your order and doing business with you!
Regards,
The DutchTrade Crew 4 days read
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[My SR Username] DutchTrade,
Do you require Finalize Early for 50g or 100g orders? And how has your success rate been for shipments to the USA? 4 days read
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@Pf: you mind me asking how close you were to the actual chemist when you were vending? Or is it possible that you were the chemist? People look back at the old says when you and SuperTrips were tearing it up and they always seem to have a lot of nostalgia LOL. If you don't want to reveal those answers though I understand.
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turnover in the best month was like 500 000 €
and best profit was around 120 000 in one month, so.. im cool :)
Thanks to all my customers !
PF-how are you? I hope you know that you are a legend on the road-for a single person operation you did one hell of a good job and I'm still grateful that I had the opportunity to do business with you.
I have only had one vendor that was able to be as good as you and that was dutchaanbod. I'm hoping that one day one of you two will return to the road again. Until then, I'm gonna have to keep gambling with new vendors till I find someone that can provide service that was on par with you all, which isn't easy.
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hi everyone,
just a small update on my order with dutchtrade:
I received a msg on the market place from DutchTrade:
Hi [SR Username]
We found out there was a problem with our scale.
To make sure we had sent you the amount you payed for, we have sent an extra 5g package, see it as service and an "extra welcoming gift".
Regards,
The DutchTrade Crew
i replied, confirming if he meant that 2 packages have been sent in stead of one, to which he replied:
Yes we have sent 2 packages!
Regards
The DutchTrade Crew
If he turns out to be legit, this is some awesome customer service, but honestly speaking, I am not holding my breath...
keeping fingers crossed.. will update on arrival.. day 9 in transit.
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hi everyone,
just a small update on my order with dutchtrade:
I received a msg on the market place from DutchTrade:
Hi [SR Username]
We found out there was a problem with our scale.
To make sure we had sent you the amount you payed for, we have sent an extra 5g package, see it as service and an "extra welcoming gift".
Regards,
The DutchTrade Crew
i replied, confirming if he meant that 2 packages have been sent in stead of one, to which he replied:
Yes we have sent 2 packages!
Regards
The DutchTrade Crew
If he turns out to be legit, this is some awesome customer service, but honestly speaking, I am not holding my breath...
keeping fingers crossed.. will update on arrival.. day 9 in transit.
Another member who has been messaging me to be their intermediary on this thread since they are still a 'newbie' reported me the same thing. He/she was a little weireded out because that means they stored their address. Further, I got this message 2 days ago
Hi -sr username-,
Hereby we sent you the tracking codes for your packages:
xxxx
xxxx
The reason we sent you 2 tracking codes and packages is because we found out there was a problem with our scale.
To make sure we had sent you the amount yo payed for, we have sent an extra 10g package, see it as service and an "extra welcoming gift".
Regards,
The DutchTrade Crew
Tracking still doesn't show on dutch mail site or my home country's postal service site...i'll keep y'all updated.
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ok, now i am starting to get worried......
they did store the address....
Also, i sent a msg to the vendor a few days ago suggesting they open a vendor review thread....
they responded saying it will be done over the weekend.... but nothing up yet.
I sent another msg, but no response yet..
this stinks.......
i do not like it......
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got the same note about the scale problem.. hoping this is legit - cheers to the beauty of escrow. will update upon arrival.... assuming it arrives....
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This could go both ways-time shall tell. Again, I'll keep the forums updated.
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I'm following this now...
Good luck to you guys ~
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ok, now i am starting to get worried......
they did store the address....
Also, i sent a msg to the vendor a few days ago suggesting they open a vendor review thread....
they responded saying it will be done over the weekend.... but nothing up yet.
I sent another msg, but no response yet..
this stinks.......
i do not like it......
Not to sketch anyone out but if you think about it... I'm pretty sure most vendors keep addresses stored somewhere. If not permanently then at least for a couple of weeks. If any of them get busted you just have to hope that your address is just one of hundreds / thousands and LE doesn't care.
If I were a vendor I would keep addresses stored as well. Maybe in the cloud or somewhere secure but if they don't store it then they become more prone to screwing up people's orders and stuff. Don't worry about that part too much.
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DutchTrade posted this on the newbie board a little while ago:
DutchTrade
« on: Today at 10:00 pm »
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Hi Guys,
-DutchTrade is your specialist in MDMA!
Looking at the messages on the forum I guess it would be an honor if you guys compare us to Dutchaanbod, but please know that we're not them.
DutchTrade stands for:
- Fast delivery; orders will be sent within 24 hours after placing your order
- For orders >50 gram, we work with track&trace, for orders less than 50g we can provide track&trace on request and for an additional payment of US$5,00
- Good quality and prices
- Fast communication; messages will be answered within 24 hours
- Professional, secure and discrete packaging; all orders are vacuumed and packed in moisture barrier bags
- You don't need to finalize early!
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR SPECIAL WELCOME OFFER:
-The first 100 orders (>5 gram) will get 10% extra.
-We offer free samples for customers in Germany but do request a (positive) review in return.
If you have any questions about our product, work method or else, please read our faq on our SR profile or send us a message
Best regards
DutchTrade crew
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If you guys who have a package in transit can say if this stealth is on the same level as what SKYY was or if its more AfterHour/SuperTrips level of stealth... that would be awesome :)
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If you guys who have a package in transit can say if this stealth is on the same level as what SKYY was or if its more AfterHour/SuperTrips level of stealth... that would be awesome :)
I have a package on the way, but i have never ordered from AH/ST/SKYY before. I have done business with FB,dutch, frank matthews and cloudsurfer. I can comment in comparison to those, when ( and if ) it arrives....
BTW, Dutchtrade has setup a review page:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=123296
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For the record, dutch's packing is ~ = to ST. Dutch used 1 more layer, but I'm not certain it adds stealth, in fact it may have caused someone to question the contents due to the nature of it.
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THIS IS NOT DUTCHANDBOD°!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS NOT DUTCHANDBOD°!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS NOT DUTCHANDBOD°!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS NOT DUTCHANDBOD°!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS NOT DUTCHANDBOD°!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS NOT DUTCHANDBOD°!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I askéd THE BOSS!.... he sayed DAB account is offline... they dont have any time to manage it.
So this is scam!
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THIS IS NOT DUTCHANDBOD°!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS NOT DUTCHANDBOD°!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS NOT DUTCHANDBOD°!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS NOT DUTCHANDBOD°!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS NOT DUTCHANDBOD°!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS NOT DUTCHANDBOD°!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I askéd THE BOSS!.... he sayed DAB account is offline... they dont have any time to manage it.
So this is scam!
I don't understand, how would you know that? Are you guys getting your stuff from the same source/working together in real life?
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AfterHours has said before that his boss gets stuff from PF or they get the same stuff or something along those lines, PF apparently knows Dutchandbod irl from his posts earlier in this thread so it's reasonable to assume that AfterHour could find out if Dutch is still operating. Just connecting the dots. Damn that would be a badass crew to know irl, I'm imagining them playing cards sitting on giant bricks of mdma.
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we don think this is Dutchaanbod - and see no reason to think so.
he never say he is DB... ??? he said he is not.
if product come and is good, what matter who it is ;)
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AfterHours has said before that his boss gets stuff from PF or they get the same stuff or something along those lines, PF apparently knows Dutchandbod irl from his posts earlier in this thread so it's reasonable to assume that AfterHour could find out if Dutch is still operating. Just connecting the dots. Damn that would be a badass crew to know irl, I'm imagining them playing cards sitting on giant bricks of mdma.
hah raising eachother many grams of mdma each hand...
+1 for the laugh. and god i just want a steady vendor..
looking at interways or IMB for cheapest ounce...around 600$.aaand not from NL
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It was purely speculation, AH. It seems like he's a straight up vendor, and my tracking finally works so I'll let you all know when I receive with a full review in all area's of service...although prior experience shows that this may not occur for another week or two.
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Received 10,9g very fast, but why is there a priority mail sticker on the package (domestic)?
Nontheless very stealth as well and good quality, not tested yet, but the look and smell.
Best Price on SR!!