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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: heybob on July 23, 2011, 02:33 am

Title: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: heybob on July 23, 2011, 02:33 am
I am very sorry if this is already readily available. I searched and found very little and am a victim of account theft and feel I can prove it.

Bottom line is this... without going into details, I have a specific user handle and with a certain amount of "status" I guess you can say that is associated with it.  Many people know that my ID, username, account id, whatever you want to call it... is known for honest and fair sales of hard to get items.

On a specified date and time (that I was able to provide to management) I created an account on Silk Road with this name. I loved it browsing all the cool stuff. I never bought anything because I hadn't totally figured out Bitcoin yet. I did create an account on MtGox which I successfully recovered today. Anyway, my account was one of the many "compromised" and closed as a result of the hack that all the user accounts was stolen. This made me nervous so I didn't come back to Silk Road for a while... till today. When I couldn't login, I thought maybe I forgot my password but a friend congratulated me of my sales on Silk Road! I'm thinking what? I searched ALL OVER THE PLACE for password recovery and the best I could find was to create a temp account and contact management. I did and they answered fast asking for details about my account which I feel I provided. But I haven't heard back.

Thing is, this person has been selling under my well known user name and doing good so I think they may not be thrilled with the idea of closing him down.

Bottom line... I'm trying to find specific rules or policies regarding something like this. I want my good name back if this is possible.

Are there specific rules that would cover a situation like this?

Assuming I am telling the truth (I understand it's yet to be proven but I feel I can) and someone hijacks another user's account, then proceeds to conduct honest business (for the time being) how would something like this be handled?

My concerns are
this IS MY ACCOUNT and it was TAKEN FROM ME
and
if he starts to fail, again it's my name everywhere else and will likely effect me negatively   

I want to take every possible step allowed by policy to recover my account. I don't want his feedback or money... just my name

Please, if anyone knows what I can do about this or can share rules or polices that can help a person recover a user name that was taken without consent, I would GREATLY appreciate it
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: chronicpain on July 23, 2011, 03:50 am
Hmmm, I wonder if those people that were selling serllers accounts have anything to do with this. It makes sense....
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: ClayG on July 23, 2011, 04:24 am
Would your good name happen to be one of the ones that have been called a scammer, like say Barrysneaky or the other chick?

If so this explains everything.  I was just about to call off dealing with him but now that it looks like he really is good and someone else got his account I might just spend the last 20 or 30 bitcoins I have, lol.
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: joeblow2 on July 23, 2011, 06:32 am
If you have been around this scene for that long, then there are people on this board who you likely shared some level of personal detail with who could identify you.  By just what you have posted you could be sincere, the thief not the account owner, just a troll or anything else.

As SR clearly states in its buyer and sellers guide, this whole operation (the site and the programming) are still in an experimental phase.  SR is doing everything he can to keep the service up and running efficiently.  If you spend any time on the BTC forums, you know the asinine level of attacks being made on SR, Mt. Gox, and virtually all of the pooled mining entities servers.

I've been on drug forums online, both as a buyer and seller, since 1996.  If you like, you could send some (non-vital) details of who you are and what your "brand" name is and, I could ask around to find something out for you about getting the account back.  I don't think SR has a standardized and fully codified set of guidelines for this situation.  Some things just have to be handled as they occur.  But I could be wrong.

What you need to do is tell someone, myself, or find another person on here that you believe you know from prior forums and see if, to start, your identity can be verified as belonging to the account in question.  Because it seems, IMHO, that shy of proving that, you're probably not going to get very far.  Free advice; worth what it costs.

Lastly, how long have you given SR admin to respond?  He is extremely busy these days.  Maybe he is looking into it and he just hasn't gotten back to you yet.

If worse comes to worse, you can always do what they do in the Twitter universe when someone jacks their name: instead of being "heybob" you can open a new account as "therealheybob" or "originalheybob".

BTW, my name online all those years was not "joeblow2".  So you wouldn't know me from that.  But you probably would if I told you my old sellers name, so I really can probably assist you, at least partway, if you give me that one detail.  Good luck!  :D
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: BitShuffle on July 23, 2011, 07:27 am
What you will need to do is appeal to the Silk Road Supreme Court of Jesters.  They should be able to resolve your issues.

- Bit
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: chronicpain on July 23, 2011, 08:52 am
Another reason why all vendors need to post their PGP key. Im sure SR backs up their database once in while and if they had to, thy could go back to the date that  you opened the account and look at it. If your PGP key was there, then you would have  a lot of evidence on your side.
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: joeblow2 on July 23, 2011, 03:00 pm
What you will need to do is appeal to the Silk Road Supreme Court of Jesters.  They should be able to resolve your issues.

- Bit

I'll volunteer but only if we get to wear those court jesters hats.  The real kind.  See, I'm too old to be a juggalo, but damn, I want one of those hats!   I need it for the next time someone comes on and starts a thread about how they need drugs so they can kill themselves.   ::)
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: heybob on July 23, 2011, 06:23 pm
WOW the volume of responses is AMAZING, thank you ALL SO VERY MUCH
I will start with the first response and go down the line responding to each and every person that took the time to read and respond to my problem!
Bob
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: heybob on July 23, 2011, 06:31 pm
Hmmm, I wonder if those people that were selling serllers accounts have anything to do with this. It makes sense....

It could be... THE VERY STUPID thing I did was have the same PW on MtGox as on SR

I would like to think regardless of the "questionable" items for sale, HONEST sellers are still desired and needed. If a seller starts his career on SR by stealing my user id, this is NOT what I would consider reasonable proof that he is not as honorable as he appears. I did successfully recover MtGox account since they closed all account right after the attack so even tho he had my username and pw, he couldn't get in because it still had my email which I'm sure he tried to get into but was unsuccessful. However on SR there is no real recovery process that I can find. I was able to tell them EXACT TIME and DATE and EXACT status of the account  at the time. I also told them what the pw was before the hijack and that it was changed before he started selling the same thing I sell elsewhere on popular pharm sites with the same user id. I still, as of today, not heard back after I was able to give this level of accurate details. Will they let him keep my account since he is delivering and making customers happy? I hope not
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: heybob on July 23, 2011, 06:34 pm
I hope not. I am "heybob"here, I was heybob on SR, and I am heybob many many places such as MtGox, as well as a number of pharmacy forums. I sell high quality medical grade mary-wanna

I can asure you, I AM THE REAL HEYBOB and the seller selling as "heybob" on SR STOLE MY IDENTITY and is NOT the creator of the account. I am and CAN PROVE IT, and HAVE PROVEN IT to SR management but have not heard back

Would your good name happen to be one of the ones that have been called a scammer, like say Barrysneaky or the other chick?

If so this explains everything.  I was just about to call off dealing with him but now that it looks like he really is good and someone else got his account I might just spend the last 20 or 30 bitcoins I have, lol.
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: heybob on July 23, 2011, 06:59 pm
If you have been around this scene for that long, then there are people on this board who you likely shared some level of personal detail with who could identify you.  By just what you have posted you could be sincere, the thief not the account owner, just a troll or anything else.

I am positive there are people that know me! I know of several users that can vouch too if management would like. The reason I know my account was taken from me is that one of my friends that joined the same time I did alerted me of the account being used! Say the word and I can produce users AND sellers that know who the REAL HEYBOB IS and that is ME

As SR clearly states in its buyer and sellers guide, this whole operation (the site and the programming) are still in an experimental phase.  SR is doing everything he can to keep the service up and running efficiently.  If you spend any time on the BTC forums, you know the asinine level of attacks being made on SR, Mt. Gox, and virtually all of the pooled mining entities servers.
You so right and I agree. thats why we should NOT allow people that use data acquired in this manner be allowed to get away with it. Remember one important thing... this could be YOU next time. We need to take a STAND against ANYONE that would steal or buy or hack and use anyone's account for any reason. It's just plain WRONG and certainly suggests that he will go where ever he has to including steal from someone else. It was me this time. It could be you next time.

I've been on drug forums online, both as a buyer and seller, since 1996.  If you like, you could send some (non-vital) details of who you are and what your "brand" name is and, I could ask around to find something out for you about getting the account back.  I don't think SR has a standardized and fully codified set of guidelines for this situation.  Some things just have to be handled as they occur.  But I could be wrong.

Joe, I AM "HEYBOB" almost everywhere. I assist Isabella on Overseas Pharm and she is creating a "heybob" thread there because I have so many that trust and count on me. I was on Drug Buyers till Alex vanished, he hated me because people liked me! manage a mailing list of about 50 users that follow me everywhere I go and I was getting ready to open fully when I found out this happened. feel free to write me at heybob@hushmail.com and I will be GLAD to provide TONS of proof I am who I say I am. the seller "heybob" on SR is NOT the real heybob. He is a THIEF AND A FAKE.

but I agree with you, I BELIEVE IN SR and BELIEVE they will do the right thing. they are just overwhelmed. FYI, they responded to my original complaint WITHIN mins! It was after I sent all the proof they requested that they haven't got back. I asked if they would just get back to me with what to expect, will they investigate or is it tough crap for me or what? I've heard nothing since I provided proof. I was able to tell them DATE and TIME I created the account along with the original pw, as well as what activity it had, bitcoin status, EVERYTHING that only the owner could know

What you need to do is tell someone, myself, or find another person on here that you believe you know from prior forums and see if, to start, your identity can be verified as belonging to the account in question.  Because it seems, IMHO, that shy of proving that, you're probably not going to get very far.  Free advice; worth what it costs.

Joe, I have reached out to management and now here. I'm not sure what else to do but I am willing to work with you! Just tell m what you need to know? And MANY THANKS for being willing to help! I really appreciate you looking at this and investigating it.

Lastly, how long have you given SR admin to respond?  He is extremely busy these days.  Maybe he is looking into it and he just hasn't gotten back to you yet.
They replied right away but it's going on 24 hours since I provided solid proof. I'll wait as long as I have to and work with anyone I need to. I AM HEYBOB and will do whatever I have to do to prove it and get my account back

If worse comes to worse, you can always do what they do in the Twitter universe when someone jacks their name: instead of being "heybob" you can open a new account as "therealheybob" or "originalheybob".
Yup exactly what I will end up doing if I have to. I have to admit tho, I'm not fond of the idea of allowing ANYONE the use of my name while I take one thats close to my name. He's a thief plain and simple. When he turns bad one day and runs with a crapload of users money after he builds confidence, don't say you wasn't warned. Stealing another user's account should not be tolerated

BTW, my name online all those years was not "joeblow2".  So you wouldn't know me from that.  But you probably would if I told you my old sellers name, so I really can probably assist you, at least partway, if you give me that one detail.  Good luck!  :D

I gotta admit J I am VERY ENCOURAGED by your post! PLEASE lets talk. I swear man, to my right hand to god, heybob is my account and it was taken from me and I look forward to proving it to you!

MANY MANY THANKS for all your help!
bob
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: heybob on July 23, 2011, 07:01 pm
What you will need to do is appeal to the Silk Road Supreme Court of Jesters.  They should be able to resolve your issues.

- Bit

Bit

sounds GREAT! I'm willing! tell me how? I KNOW I can prove I am the original owner of the account
thanks for your help!!
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: heybob on July 23, 2011, 07:04 pm
I'll volunteer but only if we get to wear those court jesters hats.  The real kind.  See, I'm too old to be a juggalo, but damn, I want one of those hats!   I need it for the next time someone comes on and starts a thread about how they need drugs so they can kill themselves.   ::)

lol Joe, I'll wear a hat while I stand on my head with my tongue out, while clapping and singing the national anthem if it will get me an authentic opportunity to prove I am who I say I am!

hehe well we can at least laugh about it!
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: heybob on July 23, 2011, 07:08 pm
Another reason why all vendors need to post their PGP key. Im sure SR backs up their database once in while and if they had to, thy could go back to the date that  you opened the account and look at it. If your PGP key was there, then you would have  a lot of evidence on your side.

Let me be clear... I wasn't setup to sell yet. I had only created the account. So I did not have the account setup to sell yet. I was just a user. He stole the account, changed the password, and setup to sell and started selling the same thing I sell elsewhere. But I can tell them the date and even the time the account was created within an hour. I can tell them what my account activity was and exact amount of bitcoin there. I can tell them what items I looked at if they want. I can tell them anything about the account that only the real account creator would know
Title: The REAL HEYBOB is back!
Post by: heybob on July 24, 2011, 08:17 pm
SR Management came through in FLYING COLORS. While they didn't boot the account hijacker, they did take my account back from him and gave it to me again. My proof was pretty solid. Not sure if I will ever learn the details or the explanation that he gave management but  he is now lexisadie or something very close to that.

Just be aware... this person started his business on SR under a stolen name for whatever thats worth. Whatever excuse he used, he had to of known one thing:

he was taking an account that was registered by someone else.

MANY THANKS for all the kind words, comments and pm's supporting me! SR is great for one reason....

It's made up of people like all of you! I'm glad they value that!
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: LexiSadie on July 24, 2011, 10:46 pm
First off I would like to apologize to the original heybob. I am truly sorry for the hassel and headache i put you threw. I had no intentions to cause you any kind of trouble.  So here's what happened...

So after discovering sr i knew there was a good opportunity for myself to help people. I wanted to share what i love so much.

So after finding out how much the auction was for an account I did what I do best, try and find it cheaper. I started searching around to see if anyone was selling their accounts. I found an anonymous person on bitbetter.org who said he was selling his seller account for 5 btc. I thought it was a good deal so I quickly jumped on it. I did not hack any accounts, I didn't brute any passwords I just bought it from the wrong person.

I take full responsibility and blame for my actions and want to do anything possible to make up for heybob's troubles and anyone else this effected. I did however live Heybobs name to the best and fullest way possible. I didn't banish it anyway and I have about 40 customers that will vouch for that. They will all say that heybob lived up to its name and reputation.

SR contacted me and I about melted in my chair. I said rite away what had happened and that I felt horrible about it. So the awesome people at sr said since i was doing so well on their site that they would switch my username and give the name back to the original owner.

I am truly sorry for what happened and i'm so glad heybob got his account back. 
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: nearo on July 24, 2011, 11:50 pm
It seems like the one bad apple tried to spoil the bunch, but it seems that LexieSadie is truly on the up and up. It's good to hear that everything has seemingly worked out.
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: joeblow2 on July 25, 2011, 12:29 am
I had a pretty strong feeling that this was what had happened.  *Somebody* was planning on trading on HeyBob's good name but when they didn't, they victimized someone else when they sold it.

But now, SR ends up with TWO good sellers...instead of just one.

I love stories with happy endings. :)
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: happytree on July 25, 2011, 12:59 am
I'm kind of confused again (imagine that). I've heard all this talk about BarrySneaky being this dude who came, got good feedback with a few transactions and then started direct-paying offline and scamming people.

So, um, why is he STILL listed as a seller with items for sale??????
Title: Re: Silk Road Rules, polices etc
Post by: ninjaturtle on July 25, 2011, 08:46 am
I was reading this thread and i'm glad that the correct outcome was reached. Good work SR