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Market => Product offers => Topic started by: SaveOnScripts on March 22, 2013, 06:22 am

Title: Pain med vendor looking for feedback -- take a marketing survey!
Post by: SaveOnScripts on March 22, 2013, 06:22 am
So after not really getting any replies in my other thread: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=135913.0, I'm trying to figure out what changes I need to make to start getting customers to place some orders with me.

I suspect that I'm not getting any interest for a few reasons:

a) I'm a new vendor
b) my prices aren't low enough
c) I don't have enough variety in my listings/don't have the medication you're looking for listed right now

So I thought I'd turn it around and ask you, the customers, what are you looking to buy and at what price/quantity? Also, for you personally, how much does my being a new vendor weigh on your decision to purchase from me? (I'm wondering if I just need to wait some time and things will build up on their own without me needing to do anything). Anyway, on to the survey!

Here are some of the medications I am considering selling:

Morphine
Hydrocodone
Dilaudid
Methodone
Oxycodone
Roxycodone

I know there have to be people that are looking to buy these meds, so I want to ask you, the customers, what are you looking to pay, how many are you looking to buy, etc. (If you respond -- or you can pm me if you dont want to publicly respond --, please include the quantity you'd be willing to buy, the mg you want, and the price, ie 25$ per for 50 30mg roxies, 8$ per for 20 for 10mg hydrocodone, etc.) I'm really just trying to get a feel for the market so I can figure out what products would move the largest quantities, what the price point would need to be, etc. Also, while I'm asking, if you read my other thread or saw some of my listings, but decided to pass on placing any orders, can you tell me why?

So what am I hoping to get out of this exercise? I'm hoping to get a better feel for what customers here are looking for mainly, and maybe introduce myself to some people that haven't seen any of my listings or my other thread. For whatever my word is worth to people reading this, I'm an honest, reliable vendor and I want to earn the rep of having great customer service, and hopefully this is a first step in that direction, getting feedback on what I could improve on. I really do appreciate feedback, so if you take the time to reply, thank you very much in advance!

I'm also willing to offer special deals to anyone that gives me feedback here, becomes a fan on SR, writes a good review, etc. If you help me build my customer base and get the word of mouth out, I'm willing to offer deals, so feel free to pm me and we can work something out!

PS: I want to mention that I can get just about any medication, it's really just a matter of it being worth the time/money/effort for me, but if there's any medication in particular you're looking for, feel free to reply with it and the price/quantity you'd be interested in and I may be willing to add that to my listings!

Thanks for reading.

SaveOnScripts

SaveOnScripts@tormail.org
Title: Re: Pain med vendor looking for feedback -- take a marketing survey!
Post by: livestr0ng on March 22, 2013, 07:16 am
Hello. Um just trying to help here... I used to get 5/500 hydrocodone for like $1.50 per pill in any quantity. Exact same case for adderall. Although, the hydrocodone was from my best friend and the adderall from a guy I was just cool with. I really didn't know how good I had it until they dried up and I saw SR prices. I'm not saying I expect those prices again or anything.

The next prescription drug I want to try is definitely alprazolam. The last two times I tried oxycodone, it had little to no effect on me (I think I have a naturally high tolerance to some prescription drugs and some psychedelics  :-\) so I would be willing to give that another chance too. Actually, I'm willing to try almost all prescription drugs. Personally, I only buy small amounts, normally for me and a few friends. I try to keep drug experiences $10 or below. (Ex. I know I need about 4 5/500 vics to feel good so if they were more than $2.50 a pill, I would try to avoid them. Then again I like drugs and pass my own guidelines sometimes.)

I say being a new vendor is a fairly big deal but I'm sure with some patience you'll be okay. I suggest at least starting with small amounts of your wares so people can test the waters with you (which I'm sure you know) and for people like me! Haha. It's too bad that SR is down right now otherwise I'd look you up. OH! Silly SaveOnScripts, as White Out mentioned on your other thread, you should definitely put your vendor page URL in your signature. Sorry if this wasn't like what you were looking for. I'm just trying to help. If nothing else, at least I bumped your thread.
Title: Re: Pain med vendor looking for feedback -- take a marketing survey!
Post by: personaluse on March 22, 2013, 07:25 am
Hiya,

I think the stigma of being a new vendor definitely would be causing some issues getting off the ground for you. As livestrong wisely suggested, I would take a loss on a few tabs (don't go too low either - people think you're digging for their address!), do a really good job of getting your stuff sent out and get some reviews up on your page. It's a big risk for the buyer as well - opioids are too expensive to get ripped off on, and people often -need- then when they need them if you know what I mean :) That's what's ticked me off in the past!

I can't imagine why you wouldn't have plenty of luck selling the kind of things you're proposing. Especially Oxycodone - it's infinitely popular! Another thing you might want to re-assure people of is that you can be a long-term reliable supplier (for the same reason I mentioned above).

When I've been desperate, I've paid up to $1 a mg, but I resented it! I think about 85c a mg would be closer to being fair.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Pain med vendor looking for feedback -- take a marketing survey!
Post by: SaveOnScripts on March 22, 2013, 08:10 am
Hey,

Thanks both of you for the replies -- I definitely will put up some links in my signature as soon as SR comes back up, unfortunately it's down :/ I've also been meaning to add a PGP key to my vendor page, if SR comes up soon I may get that up tonight.

Also, I agree with you personal and have been trying to keep things small for now, and in fact Ive set my listings up so that they roughly have a max transaction amount of ~300$, ie, for $10 pills, a max of 30 pills, for $30 dollar pills, a max of 10, etc. That said, for buyers that seem trustworthy enough, I'm willing to go over that, but otherwise I'm trying to limit my risk to getting ripped off and trying to keep customers feeling like they aren't taking a huge risk either. I understand the idea behind maybe giving out samples or taking a loss on some transactions, but honestly, I feel like considering the risk, I need to be making at least something for my time. I'm willing to cut people deals (hence offering 20% freebies on all orders right now) to get established, but doing anything for free/at a loss leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I just can't bring myself to do that :p

To comment on the other part of what you said personaluse -- I myself have a painful medical condition and have to take high doses of morphine every day, so I know exactly where you're coming from as far as how expensive pain meds are and being worried about getting ripped off. Just in case it might help put anyone that might be reading at ease, I will never ask for a FE, and I do plan on being around for the long haul. I'll always be there and will always be able to reliably deliver the goods if you're ordering.

Livestrong: About the alprazolam (Xanax), I can definitely get my hands on it, so if you have a specific price/quantity you were thinking of, pm me and we can see if we might be able to work something out
Personaluse: If you're looking for oxy specifically, pm me and maybe we can work something out -- Im willing to offer you a good deal :)

Appreciate both of the replies though, genuinely, and thanks for the bumps ;)
Title: Re: Pain med vendor looking for feedback -- take a marketing survey!
Post by: livestr0ng on March 22, 2013, 08:40 am
I already like your style, SaveOnScripts. I understand not being comfortable with temporarily losing money but what about breaking even on your first several transactions? You sound like you know what you're doing though so just do your thing. I don't want to get serious about any orders until SR is back up for a couple reasons. I'm subscribing for updates and what not.
Title: Re: Pain med vendor looking for feedback -- take a marketing survey!
Post by: SaveOnScripts on March 22, 2013, 09:07 am
Hey, thanks livestr0ng, I really do appreciate that.

Also, yeah, obviously would need to wait for SR to get back up to do anything. And I didn't mean it to sound like I was trying to hurry up and get something done -- definitely no rush. I just meant in general if/when you are looking at some point, keep me in mind and pm me and maybe we can work something out -- can't hurt to see if I can get you a better deal, right? :) The one thing that sucks is it's unfortunately a little hard to make much money on Xanax since they're generally so cheap per pill to begin with and last I checked it seemed like SR's prices were pretty reasonable and not much more than what I could get them for. So Im not sure if there's really much profit to be made there, but hey, I'm willing to cut you the best deal I can, and if nothing comes of it, no biggie.

Thanks for the kind words though man :)

SaveOnScripts
Title: Re: Pain med vendor looking for feedback -- take a marketing survey!
Post by: saintgabriels on March 22, 2013, 09:54 am
Word. I'm definitely interested in the hydrocodone, oxycodone, and possibly the morphine.
I'm typically used to paying 8 per pill, but obviously the mg plays into that. I did actually use a vendor that sold them at just about 7 per pill. He was a small time vendor, and was very reliable.
I would really recommend doing an opening sale by offering some pills at a discounted price.
What country are you shipping from?
Include your vendor link to this forum as soon as you can and I'll take a look at ya.
Title: Re: Pain med vendor looking for feedback -- take a marketing survey!
Post by: SaveOnScripts on March 23, 2013, 07:29 pm
Anyone else out there interested in weighing in?
Title: Re: Pain med vendor looking for feedback -- take a marketing survey!
Post by: livestr0ng on March 29, 2013, 05:34 am
sent PM
Title: Re: Pain med vendor looking for feedback -- take a marketing survey!
Post by: seeyallnextyear on March 29, 2013, 06:18 am
Hi there! 

     Sounds as if you're having a few issues getting customers to give you a fair chance.  I have checked out your listings and you have a few things on there that stay in pretty high demand here on the road.  A good start. But still a ways to go.

     For starters, the first thing you HAVE to do is get people talking about you.  Get that buzz out there.  While, at the same time, still being completely honest about your products and your policies, while at the same time developing a solid client list based on your reputation as an honest and caring vendor.

     I could start you a review thread, which I would Mod often.  Actually, staring out it would be best to have at least two official review threads.  With them, I will do whatever is in my power to keep your credibility up, and your name out in front.  But of course, it will be up to you to make absolute sure you are able to keep up demand and of course get all of your orders out within 24 hours or less.  (I can give you a few pointers on how to streamline your logistics as well). It's all about time management. One lesson I can tell you, if you aren't doing this already, go ahead and make up a large batch of pre-packaged orders, separate them accordingly, and when you get an order, it is all ready.  Slap a postage sticker on there, and it's good to go.

     Important!!!  (Don't take any shit from anyone either)  Be polite within reason. When a customer is being completely unresonable, fuck em.  Just Blacklist 'em.  Easy as that.

     I am quite interested in quality pharmaceuticals.  I honestly do not mind having to pay a little more for a vendor that I know for a fact believes in taking care of their customers. Just posting here on the forums, shows me that you are ready and willing to get that respect you need to get your name out there. You get that respect, and develop a reputation for being 100% consistent,  you can charge 50-60% more than the competition.  And they will STILL buy from you.  Guaranteed.

     I'm not asking for anything special.  Just allow me to order a couple small amouts of whatever products you plan to sell the most of. And I will give fair and very detailed feedback regarding your professionalism, your shipping speed, your skills in regards to stealth, and of course, the quality of your wares.  I only give honest and non-biased reviews!!

     All that I ask from you, is that you take it seriously by demonstrating your commitment to this as well as to all the good people on here.  I'm willing to use my experience in the art of marketing (or BS for short) lol, only to improve upon other reviewers around here who use the worse vocabulary. It's all bland, lacking descriptions as well as digressive, shallow and pedantic terminology. 

     You think about it.  Like I said, I love to be able to help new vendors out.  But first..... you have to make me a believer.

     I have helped a rather large number vendors on here already, only a few of which are still around. This is because they thought they could get lazy, begin to ask for FE and shit, not shipping out Priority until close to 2 days after the customer has placed their order.  Raising prices by exuberant amounts, and not to mention being obscenely rude to some of their best customers. Worse thing you can do, is treat someone who has made you money, like a piece of shit. Also, customers hate, hate, hate, placing their orders, going by the shipping standards provided by most vendors expecting their order to get shipped out within 24 hours and noticing that didn't ship for nearly or more than 48 hours.  Believe it or not, this act results in more customers writing off shipper with bad shipping history, than any other issue.  Yup...  It's a fact.

     Another growing concern here, is that there is a large increase in new buyers and new vendors.  These newbs have little or no experience here and are looking for one thing.  Buyers who have impeccable reputations.  That's why the most important thing you can do to starting out, is give the best customer service you possibly can.  Make sure everyone who orders from you gets what they order, and gets it in a timely manner. 

     Thanks!! I wish you the best of work here!! And if you would like any help, or some quality review threads administered which are tailored specifically to your vendor page and your products, just let me know!!


See Yaa!!



SYNY


Title: Re: Pain med vendor looking for feedback -- take a marketing survey!
Post by: Drksdfmn138 on March 29, 2013, 06:38 am
PM'd you brother. Also I'll try to provide you with some insight.

Morphine has a terrible bioavailability so maybe 50 cents a mg.

Oxy if in OP form should be about 50 cents a mg as well because they're much harder to deal with. However I could see your IR Roxies going for around a dollar a mg because theyre so easy to prep for your preferred ROA.

Dillies, as long as they're not the Reverse Osmosis pills should be a dollar a mg or maybe a little more. Those RO pills are a joke and theyre harder to prep than the new formulated Oxy.

Hydros are some of the most expensive items on the RD seems like. I wouldnt pay more that 6 for a ten. Possibly 7 dollars. If theyre anything less than tens, I'm certain you could sell them but please try to be competitive. Take a look at the other listings and go maybe 50 cents cheaper or something

Doners I'm guessing are the Tens? I would pay 50 cents a mg up to a dollar a mg if I was desperate. But they keep you taken care of for longer so thats always a plus.

Keep in mind prices will vary state to state so some may be willing to pay more and vice versa.

I always like giving newbie vendors a shot. It has come back to bite me a few times but not often. So I wouldn't have a problem ordering from you if the price were right. With coins soaring to the heights they are, it might be harder lately for people to buy more than a few at a time. So they must choose wisely on who to go with and what to buy.

There is a HUGE market for IR Oxymorphone. Find a steady supply of that each month and youll sell it all in two days. If all you can fine is the new formulation "skittles" then they may not be worth your time. Or hit up Hatter, maybe he'd know where you could offload them.

There is also something to be said for letting a few forum users do reviews for you. Nothing major. Just maybe send a pill or two to a few on the Review Crew and once people know youre legit and can take care of them, your business will pick up.

Welcome to the RD and I hope things go well for you here!
Title: Re: Pain med vendor looking for feedback -- take a marketing survey!
Post by: miikee on March 29, 2013, 10:16 am
My rule of thumb has usually been $0.50/mg on oxycodone and slighlty less (around $4/mg) for hydrocodone.  I usually look for $0.50/mg on morphine too and most others, $0.50/mg is just my rule of thumb.  I then use opoid conversion tables and that rule of thumb to find the price of other things, if the price falls below it, then I'm usually down to buy.