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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: whenmunkysfly on May 03, 2013, 11:24 pm
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Just reading over your old replies. You shoulda done the same. Better call Saul he had Walter White's back.
"best way to protect yourself? never sign, never admit you ordered, keep those two things in mind and postage becomes the safest way to transport restricted items of any kind " -you
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Yea I never understand when people say they're screwed because the cops came. Unless you admitted to a crime, you aren't screwed.
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Hey can we get a few more details, I know you're probably freaked the fuck out but do tell. And I don't mean to be an ass I just think if you're going to tell a story, tell the whole story!
Was it a controlled delivery?
Police dressed as mailman?
What did they say?
Did you go to jail?
Details, details, details!!!
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I don't understand why this is immediately the vendor's fault? You ordered Ecstacy from the Netherlands... that was a risk you were taking. No one forced you to buy it!
But, you're not screwed unless you believe you are. If your reaction here is even slightly indicative of the level of fear in you when you answered your door, then perhaps you really are.
Okay, I sent you the pills. It was a prank. You had nothing to do with it. Stick with that story, and run with it... lol
I wish someone would prank me like that! Only do it with much better packaging and without LE involvement...
I thought XTCExpress was in Germany? Unless I'm mistaken. Yeah, I took the plunge and ordered from the Netherlands as well, but with full understanding that something may happen to that package. Just hoping for the best.
OP, keep a level head and don't let them see you sweat.
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How much did you buy? Just Curious
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Did you sign for the package?
did they charge you with anything?
were you raided?
did you admit to anything?
I'm sure you did which is why they want to work with you but you should fill us in
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I did all of this actually and in all reality it's gonna be the only thing that will save me.
Not after they post this thread in the courtroom. Be SAFE Everyone.
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Shit shit shit shit shit... i'm sorry that happened man... fuck ordering internationally when you can just order domestically and probably avoid alot of the risk involved!
Did you sign for it even when you saw 2 people at your door? just curious
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Looks like you wont be going to the Electric Daisy Carnival this year. Also, you should buy some tapering anal plugs and start loosing up the grip of your anal sphincter.
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Ok breathing...details...I'll try to remember it all as many details as possible:
I open the door, the man asks if I'm "john smith".
Yeah thats me. (look over to notice the other person)
Ok the front desk said this addressee wasn't on the lease.
hmm really? cuz I'm the main person on the lease. was there another package? cuz that one has my name on it.
other officer comes over and shows his badge.
you know why were here?
yeah.
step outside and talk to us
ok (step out and close door)
ok well first i need to read you your rights. (never actually does just says that sentience)
we talk about where i got it details about my criminal past (none) ect.
i found it interesting they don't think it came from out of country...I cant prove it's not but they said they think it's from within the usa
I didn't mention the fact that i can't really help them because how could I but if they think I can and it keeps me out of jail long enough to get a lawyer good for them.
You admitted to it. Bad.
How do they not know where the mail came from? All you do is look at it.
They didn't arrest you after you admitted to it.
Sounds like a fake story.
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ok according to your details, you didn't sign for it, you weren't arrested, and you admitted to it the second the officer showed you his badge, also they don't know where the package came from ? I'm sure if they intercepted your package, they know where it's coming from.
your story sounds a little fishy, but if your telling the truth
you fucked up when you said you knew why undercover cops are at ur door.
You should have been like no 2 seconds ago you were a delivery man why are two casually dressed officers are at my door.
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I'll admit it sounds a little fishy but as soon as they asked you to "step outside" thats where I would have kindly said "I'm sorry officer am I under arrest? If not then theres nothing I can do to help you". Despite how you should have never used (I assume) a fake name such as John Smith or really said anything to them once you assumed they were LE. Even if they had placed you under arrest, you would have had much more going for you then even saying one word to either of them. LE loves intimidation and a technique like hiding behind their badge to remind you their dick can't get hard anymore is one of the oldest in the book. I do hope some LE is reading....go fuck yourselves piggies. 8)
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If this really happened delete your forum account now and stop using Silk Road. This will only incriminate you further.
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it sounds fishy cuz there is a lot bust stories on the road. what stood out to me when reading the details was
Cops intercepted it but dont know where it came from. da fuq
control delivery with no signature ?
you admitted to it, but was not arrested?
you think because they dont where it comes from you can buy time?
if you talk to the cops, they would have asked where it came from. im guessing you said i dont know where it came from even though you admitted to the fact that you knew drugs were coming in the mail?
if your story isn't fake then you ordered a small time amount and their trying to get closer to the big fish.
also your talk on road wont incriminate you unless you told them bout the road.
IF your story is real I wish the best of luck to you
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the op sounds like a muslim liar
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Uh. The package is always postmarked . Always stamped , multiple times .
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WOW!!! Now I've heard it all!! You know what defines a man is not how they act but how they act under pressure
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IF this is true (I'm skeptical as well) WHY would you admit anything? They had zero til you gave them something...?
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We really like your story.
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We really like your story.
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Exactly. The bottom line is that if LE can't prove you either paid for a particular product shipped to you, or requested it, then they can't make a case beyond a reasonable doubt that you imported anything illegally. That's because people are free to send you things and you're free to accept them- if you don't know (by the legal standard of reasonable doubt) they contain anything illegal. That would include pretty much any package that is properly packaged and wrapped, while being improperly or inaccurately labeled.
And if LE started banging on your door shortly after you got back home, if they don't have a warrant then you MUST exercise your rights and refuse entry by saying that you don't consent to any searches of your premises. Even if they do have a warrant and find your package's contents, that would almost certainly get thrown out of court if they didn't properly establish your wrongdoing in the importation of the product.
Go with the flow, keep your mouth SHUT (everything can only be used AGAINST you, not for you), ALWAYS exercise your rights, and retain a lawyer if LE ever tramples upon them. You can sue for damages if they do. This involves any kind of activity, whether it's fully legal or legally questionable in any way.
Did you sign for the package?
did they charge you with anything?
were you raided?
did you admit to anything?
I'm sure you did which is why they want to work with you but you should fill us in
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Ok breathing...details...I'll try to remember it all as many details as possible:
I open the door, the man asks if I'm "john smith".
Yeah thats me. (look over to notice the other person)
Ok the front desk said this addressee wasn't on the lease.
hmm really? cuz I'm the main person on the lease. was there another package? cuz that one has my name on it.
other officer comes over and shows his badge.
you know why were here?
yeah.
step outside and talk to us
ok (step out and close door)
ok well first i need to read you your rights. (never actually does just says that sentience)
we talk about where i got it details about my criminal past (none) ect.
i found it interesting they don't think it came from out of country...I cant prove it's not but they said they think it's from within the usa
I didn't mention the fact that i can't really help them because how could I but if they think I can and it keeps me out of jail long enough to get a lawyer good for them.
?!??!?!?!
Q: Do you know why we're here?
A: "Uhh, no. But that's a good question... why are you here?"
Q: Can we take a look inside?
A: "No, I'm sorry, that would be inappropriate.
It's THAT simple. I can't believe you just admitted to it like that.... your asshole is going to get pulverized, buddy. Good luck.... I'm out of this thread.
Has anyone ever told you your avatar makes it really hard for one to concentrate on what your actually saying in your posts?
Not a bad thing. At all. Just Saiyan.
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other officer comes over and shows his badge.
you know why were here?
yeah.
You fucking imbicile...
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if no miranda anything you talked about in the hallway can't be used in court. never admit to anything, get a lawyer.
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i spent the night thinking about it and your all right it doesnt make sense. in fact ive even come up with the possability that i might have gotten scammed. i hope thats the case and i can just kick myself for being stupid
i ordered A LOT i wont say exact numbers for obvious reasons, but it was enough that i dont understand why they wouldnt have their shit together, they didnt have a warrent they didnt read me my rights, they didnt arrest me. it just doesnt match up.
i could have thought they were there for any number of reasons i live with a felon so i thought they were there for them again. all i said was yeah they only assumed from there.
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i spent the night thinking about it and your all right it doesnt make sense. in fact ive even come up with the possability that i might have gotten scammed. i hope thats the case and i can just kick myself for being stupid
i ordered A LOT i wont say exact numbers for obvious reasons, but it was enough that i dont understand why they wouldnt have their shit together, they didnt have a warrent they didnt read me my rights, they didnt arrest me. it just doesnt match up.
i could have thought they were there for any number of reasons i live with a felon so i thought they were there for them again. all i said was yeah they only assumed from there.
A convicted felon lives at the location you sent "a LOT" of ecstacy pills to? Awesome.
Well, I think now you're just taking it too lightly. I highly doubt that the vendor you bought from hired a couple of guys to wave fake badges in your face and give you a hard time. That's simply ridiculous thinking on your part.
The LE will be back, and with a search and seizure warrant; authorizing them to search the premises and seize any illegal controlled substances ad unreported(IRS) cash. They came to your door, for the pills, and asked, "Do you know why we're here" ... You said it yourself, they could have been there for ANY number of reasons, but in fact, they were there for ONE. Pills.
You said "Yes" ... you acknowledged that a crime has been committed. They now have probable cause for the above mentioned warrant. I would clean house(discretely) and make sure you have your story straight. Stop being so naive...
I'm taking nothing likely just thought it might be possable... i however spoke with my lawyer today who talked to them on my behafe. I havent been charged, yet. They seem to think that if i tell them about silkroad and bitcoins that this will somehow aid them. I admitted nothing that can be proven. yes i sort of cracked under pressure but not completely they asked many questions but that was the only admiting i made toward the package which i quickly played off. I have nothing in my house so they can warrant all they want. my phone is diffrent my computer is wiped, at this point im feeling pretty good concidering the situation...these guys wanted to know where i kept the bitcoins in my house...I have the best lawyer in the area when he got on the phone with the officer the officers tone changed to an "oh shit this isnt going anywhere now". I'm expecting the worst hoping for the best.
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i however spoke with my lawyer today who talked to them on my behafe. I havent been charged, yet. They seem to think that if i tell them about silkroad and bitcoins that this will somehow aid them.
You're lawyer thinks that if you admit it and tell them about an anonymous marketplace that they already know about, that they cannot shut down, and tell them about a crypto-currency that they already know about and cannot stop, that it will aid them?
That is very interesting. Attorneys aren't the brightest and they often don't know much law.
The best attorney I ever met once said, ten percent of being an attorney is knowing the law, the other ninety percent is about who you can just call up and play a round of golf with.
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Right on, JNF.
Legendary NYC thug lawyer Roy Cohn once chastised one of his underlings, upon hearing advice about the law on the way to a court appearance, "Don't tell me the law! Tell me the judge."
;D
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i however spoke with my lawyer today who talked to them on my behafe. I havent been charged, yet. They seem to think that if i tell them about silkroad and bitcoins that this will somehow aid them.
You're lawyer thinks that if you admit it and tell them about an anonymous marketplace that they already know about, that they cannot shut down, and tell them about a crypto-currency that they already know about and cannot stop, that it will aid them?
That is very interesting. Attorneys aren't the brightest and they often don't know much law.
The best attorney I ever met once said, ten percent of being an attorney is knowing the law, the other ninety percent is about who you can just call up and play a round of golf with.
no the officers think this. they actually have no clue about any of it and I'm surprised. that's what i ment by they think this can help them. to be honest i could teach them the in and outs but it wont get them any closer. my attorney is good and he has exactly what you described they know him by name, and they arnt happy i have HIM
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WRONG. Police can question anyone at any time and take notes while doing so. They don't need to read to your rights. But if they detain you or arrest you, they do. Only problem is by that time, you've already probably fucked yourself (which is why you're being arrested in the first place).
I don't think the munky man is fucked at this point. Otherwise he'd have already been hauled off by LE.
But honestly, answering in the affirmative when LE shows up at your door and asks, "Do you know why we're here?" is just plain, fucking braindead. That's the first thing they'll write in their notes, and the first thing they'll show the prosecutor when building their case against you. They may not have enough evidence in the end, but this may be the single most important lesson you're gonna learn.
if no miranda anything you talked about in the hallway can't be used in court. never admit to anything, get a lawyer.
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Festivalia is right. They may not give a shit about a tiny shipment to an individual. But if they're really looking for a bust, or you piss them off, goodbye.
Just remember that they need evidence tying you to the shipment. It must be proven that it was requested, and/or payment was made in exchange for it by you. Otherwise they can't conclusively say that you actually imported anything illegally. It's not a slam dunk. Not unless you fuck yourself by either admitting to requesting the shipment, and/or paying for it. That would be an open and shut case for the prosecutor. Easy plea bargain for a felony, then jail.
If LE ever returns, don't you say one fucking word to them until your lawyer is present. Be very respectful, but firm. That's it.
Good luck.
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Just be sure to say "No, you may not" and "that would not be appropriate" ... you'd be surprised how effective those phrases can be, legally.
I can confirm this. I've used these two phrases on many women before. ;)
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;) :) :D ;D :P :-*
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wanted to update every one XTC Express has been great in all this they are very helpful I'll update the first post to say the same as to not slander him further.
I have yet to be charged in fact I have yet to even hear from them. I don't take this as I got away but just no update there yet.
I also wanted to mention that this is not customs or feds I am dealing with but city level(or county level) police. All in all I have a road ahead of me but without being too optimistic I think I'll be ok
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How long has it been since they showed up at your door? Just curious...
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How long has it been since they showed up at your door? Just curious...
What are you, a cop? If I was a cop I could figure out his identity with that information. If I was a DEA agent I could figure out identities of a few of the dumber members from the shit they say.
Don't answer that question OP, this thread is bad enough. How many other people in the US recently went through this same situation? Not many.
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There is something just wrong with this thread. You haven't said what country you're in.
If its not the USA, most LE just sieze your shipment, unless you order large qty, in which case you go to jail no if's and or buts. They wont ask nicely if you ordered large qty of illegal stuff.
If it was USA, my understanding is you'd probably already be smoking pole by now instead of posting on SR.
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sorry to hear about your troubles mate. not to sound cliche but they're looking for the bigger fish in these types of cases. deny till you die, they got nothing on you.
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Deleting the OP did zero good. It was quoted multiple times in the thread. You should ask a mod to delete the whole thing.
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They seem to think that if i tell them about silkroad and bitcoins that this will somehow aid them.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?????
Why have you mentioned ANY of this? You are digging a hole...
I'm in the UK, and the way it works is that they have to PROVE YOU GUILTY. It's not up to you to prove INNOCENCE. Say as little as possible. As someone already said, whatever you say will be USED AGAINST YOU.
Just STFU man. You sound inexperienced, no offence but WTF are you doing man? Ordering goods to your gaff that you share with a known felon??? I can help you here, but you have to follow advice.
What is happening now?
Don't say shit in interview....
Fucking newfags... I've been to jail, it's not nice, if you don't wanna go there then FOLLOW THE ADVICE in this thread.
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damnn thats crazy