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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: Crack Fox on January 31, 2013, 11:34 pm
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Don't be like me and lose 10,000 total to FE.
When I came here on the road I was fooled by low prices and took a long time to realize that there is one rule. NEVER FE. I had a great business going until I ran into SKYY and now Foxbelle77 who have taken me for large amounts of coin.
Let me losing 10,000 (10,000 here on the road-- 40,000 when I hand it off here) be a lesson to all the newbies... DON'T FE. Never FE even when you feel like you have a relationship with a vendor here. Only YOU can be the one to decide whether or not you allow them to make outrageous rules, such as having to FE!!
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What do you mean by "FE"? :-[ :'( ???
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Serious? Care to expand on that. Would you really F/E that amount when everyone screams not to? *scratches head incredulously * :o
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i thought not FE was common sense. should be after you read the wiki, and millions of other threads about it........
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Oh OK I read the wiki! F/E means "Finalize Early" I think... ::) :o ::)
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I lost some on here too my first purchase to FE..
I just recently became a vendor and am never going to ask for it.
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Oh OK I read the wiki! F/E means "Finalize Early" I think... ::) :o ::)
yes. after you buy an item the money is held by SR. When you receive your good, you release the money to the seller. Releasing it before you receive your goods is called finalizing early.
You shouldn't really do it. The state. is there to protect you AND the seller.
Some sellers insist on it though, if you're a brand new customer with zero purchasing history.
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I finalized early twice and had a win. From America to Australia. The vendors reviews I have posted in Newbie Meth Vendors .
I would say only finalize early what amount you are comfortable with potentially losing.
Be Good or Good at It
The Bank
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I FE'd once.
That was the order that never showed up.
FE, Not even once!
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The escrow system is there to protect everyone! Never abuse it :)
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For safety reasons, always remember to FE in real life. You might get robbed, but if u tell the guy "I ain't finalizing early, show me dat shit" you might get hurt. Spring jackets with pockets actually have a "pocket escrow" system built in where u get to compare the inside of your pocket with your dealer. Your dealer should have whatever shit u wanted and ur pocket should be lined with the cash.
Now if we can integrate those anti-rape devices into this pocket escrow system, we may have more fair street deals.
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seems like most good vendors require fe for newbs. Can anyone list a few reputable vendors of lsd or mdma that don't require fe?
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It was not 10,000 on one transaction..
I'd love to say wtf, I'm smarter than that! Fuck finalizing early on a 10,000 transaction.. but it wasn't far off.
3 separate transactions, totaling 10,000 I had FE'd on.
I just kept losing my head, finding what I thought were deals almost too good to be true. And I was right, they were too good to be true.
PAY THE HIGHER PRICES FOR A REPUTABLE VENDOR WHO DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO FE. ALWAYS!
it's the only rule to live by here..!
happy tripping
-the foxy man
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It was not 10,000 on one transaction..
I'd love to say wtf, I'm smarter than that! Fuck finalizing early on a 10,000 transaction.. but it wasn't far off.
3 separate transactions, totaling 10,000 I had FE'd on.
I just kept losing my head, finding what I thought were deals almost too good to be true. And I was right, they were too good to be true.
PAY THE HIGHER PRICES FOR A REPUTABLE VENDOR WHO DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO FE. ALWAYS!
it's the only rule to live by here..!
happy tripping
-the foxy man
Thanks for the words of warning! Hopefully this helps someone make the right decision on an upcoming order.
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Just the title should become a stricky, don't need the text.
Don't FE for even a dollar. Keep that dollar in escrow and you'll get back a little with how much the BTC has been rising in value.
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Was just looking at some bud and bang found this.
Finalize Early)
Even though my refund policy is clear some people will still take me to resolution center for a refund. Because of this i am asking my customers to trust me and finalize early. I want to be a cool guy and tell everybody no FE but i dont think thats a sustainable approach. I am willing to serve the community but i can not end up with no drugs and no money again. All buyers must FE. I appreciate your trust. I will not let you down.
Tony76 asked for trust as well. Only gamble what you can afford to lose.
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I would Never Fe on the first run.
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seems like most good vendors require fe for newbs. Can anyone list a few reputable vendors of lsd or mdma that don't require fe?
idk about lsd, but for the purest mdma i've ever seen, stuff that looked like crystal meth but was only pure mdma, I got from Bungee54 for a great price. Didn't have to fe, as long as I was willing to sign for the parcel. Came swiftly, can not wait to re order.
Also, on the subject of FE, while I understand NEVER, we all start at zero and have to build our stats. I bought from vendors that didn't require it where possible, in the beginning, but a couple of times I took a chance. I was never ripped off. One order, 100 Green Questions Marks from Supertrips never arrived, and then he was gone for some time. I noticed he was back though, sent him a message, and he sent me the coin. That was SIX MONTHS after the fact. I was so pleased! A good solid vendor there.
I guess I'm still a Newbie cause I don't post much but I have some experience on the road and I say avoid it where possible, but if you're gonna do it research your vendor. Read everything you can. Only go with the best of the best and have faith in the world and our system.
Sorry, that's all, thank you!
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I'm going to be making my first purchase soon and I have to FE. The vendor (LucyDrop) insists on FE, but she also has the best deal on LSD so I'm gonna go for it. Yeah it's a risk I'm taking but she has 99 pos. feedback with hundreds of transactions, and the 1 percent who didn't receive their mail got a refund. Her reputation speaks for itself imo. I wouldn't FE with anyone else though... Just don't order large amounts and make sure the vendor has great rep, do your homework! Read the feedback on their vendor page, ask about them in the forums and decide for yourself if it's worth the risk.
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early finalize an order of 10000$ was crazy man... have to buy carefully ALWAYS. start with small orders, look if the stealth works good, look from what countries are you buying, or where want to ship your orders... each customer have lot of options to buy from many sellers adjusting to your needs.
when i started on SR with my customer account i´ve been scammed too for finalizing early one order. at least was a small order and that have been enough to learn the lesson.
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seems like most good vendors require fe for newbs. Can anyone list a few reputable vendors of lsd or mdma that don't require fe?
I ordered LSD from Subtickle and MDMA from Pyramid. Neither asked me for FE.
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I went on a rant here with the hope that I can save at least one newbie from FE'ing.
Take it from ol' greg.. just have some baileys and don't FE... not for the fox. Not for ol' greg, not for anyone!
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Was just looking at some bud and bang found this.
Finalize Early)
Even though my refund policy is clear some people will still take me to resolution center for a refund. Because of this i am asking my customers to trust me and finalize early. I want to be a cool guy and tell everybody no FE but i dont think thats a sustainable approach. I am willing to serve the community but i can not end up with no drugs and no money again. All buyers must FE. I appreciate your trust. I will not let you down.
Tony76 asked for trust as well. Only gamble what you can afford to lose.
Don't listen to this nonsense. If you finalize early from this guy or anyone else, most likely at some point, they will steal your money. It's been happening continuously since SR started, a vendor will ask for FE, wait for a massive order to come in and then disappear with the money.
FE is there for a reason, to protect vendors and buyers. If you FE you have no recourse to claim your money back and I guarantee you will lose it more often than not.
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I'm quite new and have been reading up all the information I can lately to make a safe,fast and honorable purchase when I'm ready. I'm actually going to make my first purchases tomorrow and I'm quite glad that I read this. Not for the fact that It was common sense to me to do so anyways but the fact that some sellers have really good feedback. I'm not talking about like "xtcexpress" but others who have great reviews yet not top ranked. I was debating and like I mentioned earlier I'm not gonna purchase for buyers who request FE. Early lesson learned. Thanks for stating it clear OP!
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FE is the source of all evil -- and the source of most of the SR scams.
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agree
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I am also a victim of the horrid FE :(. Live and learn. Sorry to hear you lost that much though..
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meh..
Just a bump in the road...I figure I'll bend over, snort it and get back up. :)
Making money the money I was (and fast!) allowed me to carry on with my careless & nonexistent precautions.
I guess it's all part of taking the road less traveled.. as my ol' man used to say ;D
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FE'd once on my first order and immediately regretted it. Everything turned out fine but i'll never do it again.
Going outside of the consumer protection aka escrow is a bad bad idea.
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It's not all bad.
I ordered some diazepam from a vendor who was just starting out.
He promised some freebies in exchange for FE.
I did, and he delivered on his promise.
I think common sense must be applied during any FE dilemma.
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i always FE and i never had problems (5+ times)
maybe im just lucky :P
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I think it makes sense for a new buyer to test out the system, make small purchases, and have to FE for the first 5 times or so. Everyone gets comfortable with everyone else, and then larger transactions can be made with the escrow system in place. :shrug:
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Sorry to hear about your loss mate Iv had similar experience with FE, as a newbie I was desperate to try some different coke, all three people I went to on the road req FE for 10 or less transactions successful ones, so without the 10 I dived straight in, I currently have 2 not shown up and 1 that did show up. Small amounts that I can just about afford but still roughly £100 each so I'm 200 down with FE
The two Im waiting on are big sellers, big reps, one has just told me I will get a reship which is good- he also offered a refund which I thought for a newbie like me was pretty good but desperate to try the stuff and already paid out I went for reship
Sonicdrones was an FE and it arrived no problem
Other vendor has a 15 minimum transaction or FE req and I'm waiting on that arriving, thats been 9 days- I do think that without FE I get the feeling the parcels may have arrived...........but just shows the OP says he built up a relationship then got stung that is rare surely?
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never FE to anyone.
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It seems impossible to find a vendor where I am (AUS) who doesnt demand FE for newbies - its real frustrating. I hate the idea of just giving out money with no protection, but doesnt seem like theres any other way.
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ouch man that sucks bad I lost 250 I thought that hurt.
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vendor asked me to FE... I have confidence in the vendor, small order, showing I can be trusted.
It seems as though people say NEVER FE, but, for a newbie ordering for the first time from a trusted source FE might be your only option... I have faith.
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I once fe'd for SuperTrips, lost 250 dollars. Moral of the story, DO NOT fe.
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yea it all depends on circumstances..u might have to FE for the first time weather u like it or not
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Trying to make a first time MDMA buy and vendors all ask for FE. Forums state that you need to research cause there are vendors out there that will not require FE. I have done my research and find no one willing to sell without FE. Any suggestions for getting my feet wet here.
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It's kinda difficult to get decent gear, I think, if you don't FE for the experienced vendors when you're new. Or is it?
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Before making any purchases you should ALWAYS lurk the forums first, read every sticky, read every thread that has questions you are un sure of.
The main site, the new posts, PGP, vendor pages, feedback comments and anything else that you can find.
I'm sorry that you lost such a large amount of money there OP but it is well documented that you should never FE unless you really want to and it is at your own risk.
I'll NEVER FE ! I'll keep searching vendors to find one that does not require it, or just not buy anything at all.
The Escrow system is there in place to help out everyone, bypassing it is at your own risk and you should understand that.
As for being a new member and complaining that you have to FE, that is not always true. As long as you are honest, follow the rules and talk to all of the vendors you want to deal with you should never have to deal with.
You can build up your first 5 - 10 transactions pretty fast, weather it be physical goods or virtual there is always a way.
Another method is also using the same name on the forums as your buyers account and then a vendor can see what kind of person you are from what you post.
Thanks.
-bbw
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It seems like more and more vendors are starting to require FE for new members like myself :-/. They're still some that vendors that don't but I don't think it will stay that way for long.
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I finalize with all of the vendors that I know trust - because when it comes down to it, the vendors that have a decent business here aren't going to damage their rep to rip you off for a g or two of anything, really.
If you trust them, then I don't see the problem. :)
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I have FE'd only once out of seven transactions so far, but it was for LucyDrop, and I did a considerable amount of research before I went ahead with that decision. Ended up working out ok, but it is a larger amount of stress.
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What would possibly motivate someone to finalize early?
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What would possibly motivate someone to finalize early?
So many vendors "require" it in order to purchase anything. It's bullshit and makes it extremely difficult for new customers to securely build their buyer stats.
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What would possibly motivate someone to finalize early?
Because some vendors are actually trustworthy..
I know where you are coming from though!
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Some vendors, it's not even just new customers that have to FE. LucyDrop requires FE for ALL orders above 10, no matter what your stats say, and LucyDrop is well known to be an excellent vendor. I took a chance and it worked out ok, but I definitely prefer to remain in escrow. However, if I've done a good amount of repeat business with a vendor, I wouldn't be afraid to FE for them.
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Does F E mean Fucking Empty or For Eternity or For Enemies etc etc it should really be called C,B,D Cash Before Delivery ie C,O,D Cash On Delivery, CBD, COD, wordplay oh all I saw was FE FE so I FE'd too oh ok then yeah but I got robbed cos I FE cos I CBD instead of COD you see how it plays out
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Just means finalize early, you're finalizing the transaction so the funds are released from escrow. Your BTC are supposed to be held by SR until your order arrives successfully, and then you finalize and SR pays your BTC to the vendor. If you finalize before you receive your package, you're finalizing early (FE).
I assume you probably knew this but whatever it's another post on my way to fifty and it might actually help you out some if you truly don't understand this.
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It is very simple: just never FE for anyone if you are not fine with the risk of losing the BTC and not getting any product.
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Yup don't FE unless you are willing to part ways with your money. Trust me, I lost over $400 from a vendor with a rating of 97 :(
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Sounds like you guys got unlucky haha. Ive been purchasing mounds of research chems this past year and have been FE'in everytime. Sorry to hear that though thats quite a hit.
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Don't be like me and lose 10,000 total to FE.
When I came here on the road I was fooled by low prices and took a long time to realize that there is one rule. NEVER FE. I had a great business going until I ran into SKYY and now Foxbelle77 who have taken me for large amounts of coin.
Let me losing 10,000 (10,000 here on the road-- 40,000 when I hand it off here) be a lesson to all the newbies... DON'T FE. Never FE even when you feel like you have a relationship with a vendor here. Only YOU can be the one to decide whether or not you allow them to make outrageous rules, such as having to FE!!
WOW you have lost 263925.14... i kinda find it hard for someone to lose that much money or even has that much and is buying of SR..my opinion is .. Your not very bright or jus flat out lying .. and if it wasn't in one transaction but many , i think i would have gotten the picture after the first time not to FE ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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That sucks. That's crazy in fact. I got ripped off 12 hundred on the internet and that was supposed to be through a legit RC vendor. Not on the road. I've never been cheated on the road. I've had some shit weigh a little shy, but I've also had shit weigh over. One time I bought bunk and got reimbursed almost immediately. I've never FE'd except on one large ass purchase, because it was a requirement. A lot of people FE for their favorite vendors and that's fine, but I've seen a few cats who start out with outstanding reputations suddenly split. I'm sure they never intended it that way, but when shit hit the fan they took the easy way out.
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It seems like most of the MDMA vendors in the US require newbies to FE, however they all have outstanding feedback, which makes me feel like it's okay.. I would still definitely prefer to remain in escrow, but hey this is SR, not ebay..
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TALK TO YOUR FUCKING VENDOR BEFORE PURCHASING!
You can usually get out of FE'ing by asking the vendor. Every penny your FE is a penny thrown into the ocean with no hope of recovery.
The only item I've FE'd for was thirteen bucks worth of 2cb from Div. It was only a couple days ago, and I don't think Div is going to risk his reputation for thirteen bucks, but if he selectively scams me I'll make it the most expensive thirteen bucks hes ever stolen. Let the review hang there until it arrives. After it arrives, give your vendor his/her 5/5 and state about how long it took to arrive.
DO NOT FUCKING RELENT; If you are scammed, EVERYONE HAS TO KNOW. IT IS YOUR DUTY! IT IS YOUR MOTHERFUCKING DUTY TO LET EVERYONE ON THE SILK ROAD KNOW WHO SELECTIVELY SCAMS. No vendor will scam 100% of his/her customers, only selective scamming exists.
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For you to lose that much homes...you must be on dat crack pipe hard...
dat same crack pipe them feens be hitting on dat cops show that fuck up peoples....
10,000....shit and i was killin myself for gettin burnt over 25btc...man i must be cheap...
once bitten twice shy......
but u just kept on coming back to get bit....
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I know FE'ing is bad, but sometimes you've got to FE or else this market would never succeed. Do you honestly expect vendors to be able to expand when there are consumer scammers and there capital is locked up in escrow. I'm a buyer, and have never been asked to FE. FE'ing, the way i see it is fair game. In real life that would never happen... Sometimes you have to take risks, and if you get fucked over you get fucked over.. bound to happen some day
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Never FE! It is against SR Policy! They Will NOT help you if you get screwed over! try reading the policy...
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it goes both ways ive fe'd on a $3500 order twice went nice and nice prices fe'd on a diff vendor for 400 and got screwed sometimes it can be worth it like the lotto without risks theres no rewards but its good to play it safe also some peolple dont have money to experiment with
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Since i'm a new user, if a seller is like new users FE should I FE?
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try smaller transactions first. don't fe on any amount that it would bother you to lose.
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Since i'm a new user, if a seller is like new users FE should I FE?
Just wait a while and do a couple of small transactions.
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Since i'm a new user, if a seller is like new users FE should I FE?
Just wait a while and do a couple of small transactions.
When I came to the road I bought some books to raise my stats, there is plenty of good reading ;)
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Rough.
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I FE to OldAmsterdam for $1100... product never came. He gave me a %50 percent refund after like 48 days. Was my 1st SR purchase and i hated it
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Not to mention the thousands that have probably lost hundreds upon hundreds of dollars with SuperTrips!
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The really good bulk MDMA vendors have disappeared here. Everyone who was TOP before has changed their policy on refunds and some now require FE on everything (AfterHour).. Just disappointing..
I'm trying to grab big amounts (5K+ per order) and I can't find a vendor who will guarantee I will get 100% of my product even though I have stats on this account with over 20K spent with perfect rating..
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The really good bulk MDMA vendors have disappeared here. Everyone who was TOP before has changed their policy on refunds and some now require FE on everything (AfterHour).. Just disappointing..
I'm trying to grab big amounts (5K+ per order) and I can't find a vendor who will guarantee I will get 100% of my product even though I have stats on this account with over 20K spent with perfect rating..
It's a real shame seeing Silk Road go down that path :(
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life is a gamble...win or lose
know your vendor....
'if you don't know-stay in EScrow' my new motto.....
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If you're new and are forced to FE, just stick with small orders from well respected vendors to build up your stats.
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If you're new and are forced to FE, just stick with small orders from well respected vendors to build up your stats.
Agreed 100%
Stay safe - UD
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I'll never understand large amounts of bitcoin being FEed.
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roger wilco
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Sound advice.
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Never, ever. Just for the piece of mind. You never know when a vendor could just up and leave. No FE for me.
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Just the title should become a stricky, don't need the text.
Don't FE for even a dollar. Keep that dollar in escrow and you'll get back a little with how much the BTC has been rising in value.
Amen.
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you can, just do only with trusted vendors. i still have perfect stats. been on the road almost a year now.
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I lost some on here too my first purchase to FE..
I just recently became a vendor and am never going to ask for it.
Hi Sam. I recently became your customer, and after foolishly responding to your request to FE, you seem to be having difficulty responding to my requests for information on where my f'ing order is, beyond a fake tracking number and bullshit story that is.
It's pathetic that I have to resort to calling you out in an open forum, but when you don't respond to messages this is what ends up happening.
How about an answer there Sam?
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;) :) :D ;D :P :-*
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good lord what made you believe this was a good idea?
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;) :) :D ;D :P :-*
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Add me to the list of people being ripped off by SamGiancana. luckily mine is just an attmept right now as I did not F/E luckily(only because I already fell for that and got ripped of twice by smooth talkers. no more) and He pulled the exact same Shtick as everyone else. first a fake usps tracking # (for a domestic order explain that one) then a message saying someone hacked his account and to resend info and he would get the real tracking # . from here he ignores every message/email and order was about to auto finalize so I put it into resoloution, just waiting on that now.
Man this guy is something else, so nice and sincere to begin with . and tons of people are F/E for his generous 20% extra from a "trusted and stand up vendor" i cant believe this
they really need to look at revising the rules for F/E, maybee abolish it for trusted buyers or something I dont know but the scams are getting bad.
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HollyMolly made someone FE with 0 purchasing stats on a 500g order. Marked in transit April 16th, and now HM has been MIA...Hope he learned a lesson....
I have FE on several occasions, the first time being with SuperTrips for my very first purchase. Lets just say it took 9 weeks for me to get my order, but hey at least I got it :)
Now, there is only 1 vendor on here who I would trust with thousands worth of coin. We've actually gotten to the point where we just deal with direct payments! ;)
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add me to the list of ppl scammed by SAMG
odd thing though i ordered from him a couple months ago when he first joined and i did get my product blazing fast... the ICE was decent... the high heat coke was crappy...
so second order i was in a pinch needed some ice quickly so I msg'd samg he responded almost instantly and offered an extra 20% if i FE'd which i didnt think twice about as the previous order was smooth.
Well as soon as i FE'd i went from getting responses in under a minute to nothing in days!
I hope the admins take down this fuckers account!
Let this be a lesson to you all NEVER EVER FE
imo new vendors should not even be allowed to have their orders FE'd until theyve been a vendor for at least 6months to a year!
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I never FE unless I'm willing to just say goodbye to that money. For example, when a smaller order I had made didn't show, the vendor offered a 50% refund or a reship if I finalized early. Since a 50% refund was going to be like $20.00, I finalized, and actually did receive my reship.
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So should I FE or No?
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Tip:
1) Study the vendor's philosophy.
If the vendor cares not to list his or her purpose, then you should move onto the next vendor.
2) If a buyer tries to lower his value to win customer, then he is exercising what is called a PRICE war. Would you want to buy from vendors who shows less confidence about his goods/service? Would you want your buyers to lowball you, or would you like to stand up for your price and constantly back it up with wholesome values.
3) Avoid new vendors as much as you can, and work with those that are proven with 300+ transactions and at least 95%
4) FE if you want, but I don't recommend it.
CM
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so you're saying I should never FE huh.
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Tip:
1) Study the vendor's philosophy.
If the vendor cares not to list his or her purpose, then you should move onto the next vendor.
2) If a buyer tries to lower his value to win customer, then he is exercising what is called a PRICE war. Would you want to buy from vendors who shows less confidence about his goods/service? Would you want your buyers to lowball you, or would you like to stand up for your price and constantly back it up with wholesome values.
3) Avoid new vendors as much as you can, and work with those that are proven with 300+ transactions and at least 95%
4) FE if you want, but I don't recommend it.
CM
bump to this.
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Really, the more of us who refuse to FE the less vendors will demand it. I wish everyone would just stand up and refuse it across the board and it would be gone overnight. Maybe some recourse should be available to sellers if they have to wait 2 weeks for some lazy person who won't get on to finalize, but I always finalize within a day of receiving, and usually the whole thing is complete within 3 days of me pressing the order button. I don't think that's an unreasonable amount of time to wait, and it encourages quick shipping too.
I will never ever FE and any vendor who requires it will just not get my bitcoins.
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As snickerlover mentioned I FEd on a nearly 8000 order. This was a trusted vendor for 8 months, over 300 transactions, thousands of fans, and gleaming reviews with 99 percent positive feedback. Seemed like a trusted vendor. Now I may be learning an 8000 dollar lesson. NEVER FE EVEN FOR "TRUSTED" VENDORS
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so you're saying I should never FE huh.
No, I think he's saying always FE. dont even think twice about not finalizing early.
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i agree, never ever fe
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WHEN DO THEY LEARN....?
NEVER FINALIZE EARLY....EVER.....no matter what they say.
Promise to give you extra when FE....YOU LOOSE ONE TIME OR ANOTHER !!
EVERY GOOD VENDOR SHOULD NEVER ASK FOR FE
No reason to ask for FE....none....btc fluctuating?....HEDGE and there is no problem.........
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I just FE'd :-[
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Even though everyone says never FE...
You see folks do it all the time!
My advice use escrow...and never..
never...ever FE
Peace
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Great advice, but, it seems no vendor is going to sort a new guy out unless you FE
Tricky..
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I made a terrible mistake of FEing one of my first purchases. Ever since then i've never FE'd, but then again my stats to date are spotless.
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Great advice, but, it seems no vendor is going to sort a new guy out unless you FE
Tricky..
yes it is tricky...FOR THE BUYER.
There many vendors who just do all in escrow, just look a bit further....FE is a guarantee to get scammed (sooner or later)
It is even in the SR ''rules''....NEVER FE !!! ::)
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Never means never
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Even if it's the greatest vendor in the world, it makes no sense whatsoever to FE. That's like going to a random street corner, giving Jo Blow your money while he "goes to get the product" from Bobby Jo Fuckstick or whoever is higher in command. News flash: you're probably fucked. If an issue comes up with shipping or whatever, you'll have no recourse. The best vendors may offer to throw in a little extra for your next order, but there's no guarantee. It baffles me to see FE after FE after FE for large orders. I recently saw feedback from a user saying "FE for trusted vendor. First order but the reviews are solid." This was for a QP of weed! Dumbass.
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Great advice, but, it seems no vendor is going to sort a new guy out unless you FE
Tricky..
There are some who accept that you don't FE, at least for weed and LSD, but I guess for other stuff too...
If a vendor wants you to FE, just go to another vendor...
The 8000$ lesson is a tough one, but yeah, I guess that for 8 000 bucks even a trusted vendor could become untrustworthy :/
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This should be a bold headline on the front page of SR, don't FE for anyone for any reason, ever
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I finalized early on my very first order.... and that's the one that never showed up. A mistake I will only make once.
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never ever FE
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buyers even think they do me a favor FE although it is clearly stated not to.
FE fucks up my system....don't want it, don't need it....EVER
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Are we supposed to "report vendor" if bein ripped off after FE?
On the sr buyer guide it says-
"NEVER go around the escrow" otherwise "we will be totally unable to protect you" +
"Our commitment is to total satisfaction for every purchase you make here." but
i've come across to that every UK Heroin vendor asks you to FE unless you have 10
successful transaction, the only vendor who doesn't require it is TopNotch
who i was buying from and always had smnooth transactions and good service
and i now have 9 successful transactions but unfortunately
on 2 different accounts ( my original account pin stopped working for some reason,
not because i forgot it, but it just wouldn't accept it, so i had to open 2nd account
because was urgent to make a purchase). Now for some reason TN doesn't have active listings anymore
and i can't buy my stuff anywhere else because everyone wants you to FE. At some point i had experience with
another wellknown uk H vendor, he asked me to FE which i did - got my stuff next day
( it was only 0.2 g), so when i purchased from him again and he asked to FE again,
of cource i did ( it was 1g) and package didn't arrive. Every single time before
that and after it made my door (all were local vendors),
so my address is not black listed, and my concern is - whether it was sent or
i was scamed, I PMed him again after some time regarding my purchase, he asked to FE again.
But i'm not doing it again!
So what do we newbies have to do to be able to buy safely!?
I've resently got an advice - to buy books or play lotery to get stats, but i don't need
them books and don't want to waste money!
How come SR tells us to stay on escrow always but allowes vendors to ask people to FE!?
Wouldn't that be more fair to say something like "newbies can't buy more then 0.2 g untill
they have 10 successful transactions"?
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buyers even think they do me a favor FE although it is clearly stated not to.
FE fucks up my system....don't want it, don't need it....EVER
jackoxy what kind of goods do you offer. Do you have a link to your vendor page. question mark
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what do they worry for, them vendors, who ask you to FE, by the way? :) they are getting their money anyway after it's been marked "in transit" arn't they?
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Well I guess setting you up for a scam by letting you FE
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never FE, there is no trust on the internet
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never FE, there is no trust on the internet
True words of wisdom.
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buyers even think they do me a favor FE although it is clearly stated not to.
FE fucks up my system....don't want it, don't need it....EVER
jackoxy what kind of goods do you offer. Do you have a link to your vendor page. question mark
Real original oxycontin OC40 OC80 and the best Fentanyl 100 23.12mg
You have a PM
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what do they worry for, them vendors, who ask you to FE, by the way? :) they are getting their money anyway after it's been marked "in transit" arn't they?
nope
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10.000 OH SHIT mate ... fucking scammers !!
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Yeah.....it feels bad man :( I didn't follow this advice on my last order and I know better. I was at 7 transactions and the seller required 10 for escrow. I even told myself as I was hitting the finalize button that this was not the right move. Seller was Space Factory and that was 13 days ago. I'm probably rushing to judgement too soon as this was my first international order. But luckily it was only for a g of mdma that I bought with coin that I bought like six months ago when they were going for under 80 usd.
EDIT: Never Except for SPACE FACTORY!!!!!! I got my FE'd order today. Took 18 days from the NL and I freaked for nuttin'. Overweight and outstanding product!!!
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Yeah I FE'd a few of my first purchases due to stat bullshit, and had one of those not come. I am glad most of those were sub 100 orders
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I don't see any reason for vendors to require new buyers to FE.
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Everyone is shouting- NEVER FE!!! But who to buy H from if you have less then10 purchases?
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Do not buy from DrugForYou a dutch vendor. He scammed me on a domestic order by requesting FE and it never arrived
Want more details just ask.
Wish you all the best
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As a noob yowill sometimes have to FE most probably. Doing it for orders of ten grand is just daft though.
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What i have just done not to be asked to FE anymore i bought 4 lotteries for 0.01BTC each to get to 10 stats. May be it'll be useful for somebody, because most vendors ask you to FE only if you have less then 10 stats
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If you are new do not FE for anything that you aren't willing to lose. There are plenty of vendors offering digital goods such as books and what not that will get you above 10 transactions with no risk. You may have to waste money on some digital goods but it may be worth it in the long run
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good advice thx
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I've managed to get 5 transactions without having to FE. I might not have gotten the BEST drugs on the road, but at least I got what I ordered!
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I placed 5 small orders from all different vendors and none required me to FE. As soon as I received the products I finalized and gave them great feedback. I'm only waiting for one to go through and I just placed 3 more orders. SR is amazing and I concur, never FE.
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I don't see any reason for vendors to require new buyers to FE.
I agree, but with reservations. Just as we buyers are in danger of scamming vendors, so are legit vendors sometimes in danger of scamming buyers. Think of all the shit a junkie would say/do in order to NOT pay for something. In real life there's no chance they'd try something like that because they'd be putting themselves in physical danger. But behind all this anonymity, and ESPECIALLY if a buyer is brand-new and has no stats, a vendor has no way of knowing the difference between a well-intentioned buyer willing to pay for product or a down-and-out junkie who's looking for any way possible to get a refund for gear that was properly shipped and received.
So, I guess, I would say I don't understand UNESTABLISHED vendors requiring new buyers to FE. Established vendors have an existing pipeline of business and could do without the possible headaches of accepting all new buyers. Just wanted to point out an established vendor who DOES NOT require FE from new buyers: MarloStanfield. He is unique in that I think he conveys through his profile that... he's really not one to be fucked with. I don't know what that would actually mean if somebody did try to scam him because vendors are NOT supposed to keep things like addresses, but... yeah. In any case, to the person looking to buy H with less than 10 purchases, I guess Marlo's your man. I buy everything but H on SR but it seems like he keeps his customers pretty happy. He's even reshipping orders to everyone who got any of the last batch of H he was selling, which turned out to be bad. Very professional.
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Yeah. For sure. NOBODY FE. If vendors require fe ? Fuck them!
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WTF do you guys do for a living that enables you to have 10k-40k of free cash for online drug purchases? That's the average person's salary in the United States. Wait...I guess you can't answer that here ::)
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WTF do you guys do for a living that enables you to have 10k-40k of free cash for online drug purchases? That's the average person's salary in the United States. Wait...I guess you can't answer that here ::)
I get my financial advice from Neil Cavuto on Fox News, do you not watch tv ?!?!
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What protects the seller from a buyer saying they never received and keeping half the escrow?
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What protects the seller from a buyer saying they never received and keeping half the escrow?
Tracking numbers, perhaps? Many sellers have tracking #s on all packages but only in the event that there's a conflict/disagreement with the buyer, at which point the tracking number is used as part of the seller's "case" in the SR resolution center.
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Do what the title says, NEVER FE, and you will have a pleasant buying experience(most of the time)on SR.
Also, keep coming back to these forums and take the time to do some research on the seller you are looking to buy from. ;)
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Today DrugForYou replied and promised to resend the order tomorrow.
I will see what happens
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What i have just done not to be asked to FE anymore i bought 4 lotteries for 0.01BTC each to get to 10 stats. May be it'll be useful for somebody, because most vendors ask you to FE only if you have less then 10 stats
you miss the point...its not only purchases...also the amount you bought.
I had one with 8 or 10 purchases and the amount...0.90 btc ridiculous of course....
But, of course I sold him the items...just normal in escrow, never FE it said on my profile because that is the way you get scammed.
You need to start somewhere so for me NO FE
Guess what....never arrived !!
Very strange that I loose maybe 1 in 100 and it is never with a known, repeated client....always new ones.
Not a smart guy, he can never buy from me again no matter what.
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i've spent 3BTC so far if that going to be enough not to be asked to FE?
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lesson learned, always fe
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I received a message for DFY. He told me that I will have to wait till tomorrow if I will not get any thing he promised me a refund.
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I received a message for DFY. He told me that I will have to wait till tomorrow if I will not get any thing he promised me a refund.
I hope that works out for you! :)
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Thank for you support.
I hope so to.
I suspect DFY is getting high of his own supply and there for is neglecting his business. But who knows.
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i checked out vendor drugsforyou.. i am glad i am in the us at the moment & did not buy from this guy.. very sorry to see what im seeing going on with this vendor. when i am in europe i always order from netherlands vendors.. pity there is no way to eradicate scum vendors (and shame to buyers who pull scams!)
this road is such an amazing place.. scammers fuck of go to underground market board or some other trash place. ah i get so angry ive lost so much to scammers… i hope more people take hints from these stories here!!
~fox
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Omg Crack Fox.
1) This sucks so bad, I'm so sorry to hear you got gipped like that
2) I wish I'd read this sooner. Golden advice & I'm in the same boat.
Good luck with everything,
A
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Well here is my update.
Still now product and still no refund. Vendor states personal problems. I hate it when people make there problems my problems.
May the business of every scammer be ruined and may they not profit form there scam.
Wish you all the best
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I suspect DFY is getting high of his own supply and there for is neglecting his business. But who knows.
That's why I don't vend my drug of choice.
I'm sorry you got scammed. That bites. I'm glad you're posting about it though. Maybe it will help prevent people from FEing.
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Yeah I hope so. And stop people for ever buying form him.
And not selling the drugs you use your self is very clever.
Thank for the support.
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I will only FE for my trusted venders, like the fire work guy that has the bad ass fire crackers. He is a good vender and very nice to do business with.
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I lost some on here too my first purchase to FE..
I just recently became a vendor and am never going to ask for it.
Pretty ironic considering SamGiancana scammed me exactly like that. HA. fml.
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And is now out of business
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Omg Crack Fox.
1) This sucks so bad, I'm so sorry to hear you got gipped like that
2) I wish I'd read this sooner. Golden advice & I'm in the same boat.
Good luck with everything,
A
yes,
recently a favorite vendor of mine from the netherlands…. his account was hacked and the hacker convinced someone in escrow to release funds to him for a kilo of mdma… and i believe he reimbursed this buyer as he is an o.g. and has hooked up the world for many years.
*oh any acid lovers out there.. albionessentialols will have 200 mic/ per dose soon. it is the best on the road :) *
ahWell here is my update.
Still now product and still no refund. Vendor states personal problems. I hate it when people make there problems my problems.
May the business of every scammer be ruined and may they not profit form there scam.
Wish you all the best
i was just about to report the vendor after another friend told me he was scammed as well. and now they're mia looks like they pulled a foxbelle77.. :(
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An account being hacked how really is that possibility?
I think if in doubt contact the vendor is he does not reply report. If it turn of he was not scamming you can always apologize
I really feel for you Fox. 10000 is not pocket change and money does not grow on tree. Bummer man.
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i'm not sure as i would assume anyone vending on his level would take precautions to prevent this and not log on through any unsecure connections.
regardless, he has corrected his problems.. i love seeing vendors like this*
a friend of mine had showed me how to gain access to computers through the wifi at coffee shops… there was a hack he had to gain all saved data for all log ins and later the program would self terminate.. im not as tech savvy as i would like to be, sorry to be undescriptive as my knowledge is limited.
i wish i knew who drugsforyou was. my buddies would get your money back fast. good luck on the road ~
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Mister C. Fox thank you for enlightening me on this subject I did not know could be that easily done.
Thank you. That you would be willing to send you buddy to DFY.
All though I do believe an eye for an eye, tooth of tooth is justice. I would rather forgive.
I know that the money he toke form we will not profit him. Because he toke it form with of justice.
I will make just not to get bitten from the same hole twice.
Does you friend also know how to protect oneself for such thing happing
Wish you the best.
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I will only FE for my trusted venders, like the fire work guy that has the bad ass fire crackers. He is a good vender and very nice to do business with.
The problem is that there have been several very well respected/liked vendors who were vending honestly for a long time, and then when they became trusted and established, held FE sales and ran off with everyone's money. An untrusted vendor can scam a noob or two, but trusted vendors can pull off enormous scams if we FE for them. In fact, it's much more profitable for a scammer to invest the time to become trusted before pulling off a major scam. I would like to trust the vendors who have done right by me, but in reality, as long as we're anonymous, we're also unaccountable (unless having people hate us on the forums makes us cry and beg for forgiveness, of course). Even for a vendor whom I believe to be honest and professional, I would never FE more than I could easily handle losing.
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i dont get why SR even allows vendors to ask for FE. Escrow is up for a reason. If you can;t float product for a couple days or a week at most, what kind of dealer are you really?
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In the SR wiki it is stated that you should not FE. And if you do then SR staff cannot do anything for you.
Maybe a dealer who is getting high on his own supply?
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Thanx Banjo will keep that in mind ;D
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I wouldn't say NEVER FE. I Fe'd for a few oil vendors and got free grams.
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I have never had a problem on the road until I FE'd for a sample of MDPV from qd8714. Seller sure did deliver to people but not to me. I guess since I FE'd for $8 they didn't feel required to honor my purchase. Now the seller is "wrapping it up". Probably going to see their listings again under a different profile. If we as a community STOP finalizing early the scammers will dry up. They live for the scam and when their resources dry up they will go away because, it is not profitable. My lesson only cost me less than $10 but, why lose a penny? Dont FE!
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There is some venders that make you FE. I have FE twice and did not have a problem but I will keep all this in mind I cant be too safe. Nobody likes to be scammed.
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I like to cum early, but only when it feels right!
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I like to cum early, but only when it feels right!
don't fe on that cum, you'll blow everything ;)
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I like to cum early, but only when it feels right!
don't fe on that cum, you'll blow everything ;)
LOL
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Trying to make a first time MDMA buy and vendors all ask for FE. Forums state that you need to research cause there are vendors out there that will not require FE. I have done my research and find no one willing to sell without FE. Any suggestions for getting my feet wet here.
MarijuanaIsMyMuse don't require to FE. I have had several good transactions with him, he can be a bit slow at times but his stealth is as good as it gets. I have not yet bought his molly but I have gotten his pressed pills, the green ck and they are good. Good luck to you man.
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10,000 seriuosly? are you another vendor, were you stocking up or something? thats insane
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I thought requiring FE was against seller rules? So is it against seller rules or isn't it? There is no halfway.
Supertrips, for instance, is a reputable seller. I'm considering placing some orders with him. However, he requires FE on orders under $500. Is this against the rules, or not?
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SR's official stance is opposed to FE, but it is only against the rules for new vendors to ask buyers to FE. After a vendor has 35 transactions and has been vending for 1 month, s/he is allowed to set his/her own FE requirements.
As long as buyers will go for it, sellers will require it. The only way to stop it is for everyone to refuse to FE, and if a vendor chooses not to do business within escrow, find a different vendor.
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This is the one and only rule
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http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=152607.0
Warning - CashMachine = pureogkush
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The only order I FE for I didn't receive :o
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NEVER FE SAM TOOK $75,000 Doing it :'(
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I have FE a few times, and have been lucky to receive every order. SamGarciana messaged me to FE for some sort of sale etc and something didn't feel right. I was right, and he pulled a huge scam on everyone that did FE. I got 100% refund for staying in escrow, I guess that was my wake up call. You can't ever really trust anyone.
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I thought requiring FE was against seller rules? So is it against seller rules or isn't it? There is no halfway.
Supertrips, for instance, is a reputable seller. I'm considering placing some orders with him. However, he requires FE on orders under $500. Is this against the rules, or not?
I don't think it is against the rules, I have FE for supertrips before and everything was fine he is a good vender, his stealth was not the best I have seen so if your from a country that has hard customs it might be a gamble if you will get it or not.
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Wow.... I am sorry for your loss.
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Yeah, it´s a strange fact, that the post office only loses FE-Mails...
I paid only 0,5 BTC to get the knowledge: Never ever FE... ever.
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Most are ok with stayin in escrow.
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The most interesting thing about silk road for me is the escrow system.
I will avoid FE at all costs.
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I thought requiring FE was against seller rules? So is it against seller rules or isn't it? There is no halfway.
Supertrips, for instance, is a reputable seller. I'm considering placing some orders with him. However, he requires FE on orders under $500. Is this against the rules, or not?
I don't think it is against the rules, I have FE for supertrips before and everything was fine he is a good vender, his stealth was not the best I have seen so if your from a country that has hard customs it might be a gamble if you will get it or not.
Is Supertrips from NL or DE? In some Topics people saying NL and in his Seller Profile is Shipping from Germany.
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I thought requiring FE was against seller rules? So is it against seller rules or isn't it? There is no halfway.
Supertrips, for instance, is a reputable seller. I'm considering placing some orders with him. However, he requires FE on orders under $500. Is this against the rules, or not?
I don't think it is against the rules, I have FE for supertrips before and everything was fine he is a good vender, his stealth was not the best I have seen so if your from a country that has hard customs it might be a gamble if you will get it or not.
Is Supertrips from NL or DE? In some Topics people saying NL and in his Seller Profile is Shipping from Germany.
A year ago I got packs from Mr. Trips, all from NL. He then transitioned over to Germany.
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Never FE,it says so on the warning label. ??? Too many good vendors on here that don't require it. If you need to build your stats up,start with very small purchases. Thats what i did, and now I'm the MAN!!! FE=RED FLAG
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FE.....has it place on SR......lots of newbe's want to start right out with a Qp up to a LB.....with no stats.....
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FE can be a signal of something fishy indeed, but not all the times.
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Fools rush in... your coins to lose ;)
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FE is like this hustle we used to run on ppl that weren't from our neighborhood as kids.. they come up and ask for whatever kind of dope, you say, "alright man i'm just the runner tho i gotta go grab it" and then they're like "well wait how do i know you're gonna come back" and that's when you whip out a huge stack of cash and say, "look at this, i don't need to steal shit, i'm just doing business". somewhat convinced, they hand the cash over, we run around the corner, jump the fence, hit up the kush man and roll up all your hard-earned money. meanwhile, their poor ass is still idling on the curb, waiting, until finally they realize why everyone else on the corner is laughing to themselves. where do you think that we got all that damn cash we just showed u???
it doesn't matter if it's yr damn granny when it comes to product, you need to cover yourself cuz there are some cold-hearted mfers out there that will swoon your ass and then wring you out when your guard's down. u gotta be 10 toes down, esp here on SR. if a deal feels too good to be true then it is, nobody in the drug game is out here trying to minimize their profits... these dudes and chicks want free bands man..
i've done quite a few tx's here and have yet to be scammed, shorted or deceived (hopefully it keeps running that waylol). the forums are your best friend, and just use your gut. don't ignore red flags just cuz u want something so bad that you can't see whats twisted
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There are vendors with good reputation for making the first purchases they ask me FE, the problem of which we are newbie, is that many reputable sellers do not want to sell and that's a problem.
I have many problems to find someone who wants to sell, although the amount is small.
Thanks for all your advice on FE :) :)
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As snickerlover mentioned I FEd on a nearly 8000 order. This was a trusted vendor for 8 months, over 300 transactions, thousands of fans, and gleaming reviews with 99 percent positive feedback. Seemed like a trusted vendor. Now I may be learning an 8000 dollar lesson. NEVER FE EVEN FOR "TRUSTED" VENDORS
+1
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Never FE for 0,5 BTC or 100BTC! Never ever!
The vendor can have over 1000 Fans and is the #1... there is no way to FE!
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sorry but i call bullshit on FE $10000. and even more so for 3 transactions. what, you FEd 3500 didnt take receipt of order so did it 2 more times coz you thought 3rd time lucky. bullshit with a capital shite
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never fe.
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NEVER FE!
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I FE'ed once and everything turned out fine. I don't plan on doing again though.
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YOU DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO
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FE is like this hustle we used to run on ppl that weren't from our neighborhood as kids.. they come up and ask for whatever kind of dope, you say, "alright man i'm just the runner tho i gotta go grab it" and then they're like "well wait how do i know you're gonna come back" and that's when you whip out a huge stack of cash and say, "look at this, i don't need to steal shit, i'm just doing business". somewhat convinced, they hand the cash over, we run around the corner, jump the fence, hit up the kush man and roll up all your hard-earned money. meanwhile, their poor ass is still idling on the curb, waiting, until finally they realize why everyone else on the corner is laughing to themselves. where do you think that we got all that damn cash we just showed u???
it doesn't matter if it's yr damn granny when it comes to product, you need to cover yourself cuz there are some cold-hearted mfers out there that will swoon your ass and then wring you out when your guard's down. u gotta be 10 toes down, esp here on SR. if a deal feels too good to be true then it is, nobody in the drug game is out here trying to minimize their profits... these dudes and chicks want free bands man..
i've done quite a few tx's here and have yet to be scammed, shorted or deceived (hopefully it keeps running that waylol). the forums are your best friend, and just use your gut. don't ignore red flags just cuz u want something so bad that you can't see whats twisted
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Put in plain language for us, thank you. :-*
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Sucks learning it the hard way
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I don't see any reason for vendors to require new buyers to FE.
This duder speaks the TRUTH. And has EXCELLENT buds. :)
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Seriously guys I would never FE and it really has nothing to do with the money. For me it has to do with destroying the integrity of a system that is completely cutting edge and nearly perfect. Honestly if you FE the money you lose doesn't bother me at all, it is a small price that you are paying to do a great amount of harm to this institution for everyone. Flame me if you like but those are my principles, look elsewhere for sympathy.
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the scam starts here.
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Wow..Sorry to hear that :-[
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I would FE for, say, SuperTrips (would and have), but not for anybody less reputable.
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I am a newbie here, and plan on buying a gram of coke and a gram of crack...
I have no history and you still say, no FE?
Any vendors in USA, shipping to USA, that will do it without FE???
I don't want to buy a bunch of shit I don't want, just to run stats up???
Just tryin to get by :)
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I am a newbie here, and plan on buying a gram of coke and a gram of crack...
I have no history and you still say, no FE?
Any vendors in USA, shipping to USA, that will do it without FE???
I don't want to buy a bunch of shit I don't want, just to run stats up???
Just tryin to get by :)
i dont make anyone FE but just sell coke not crack
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I never did FE. And I will refuse to buy from a seller that requires me to FE (even if he is a trusted seller with good reputation).
I think that the SR rules should be more clear on this point, and should prohibit sellers from requiring buyers to FE.
The escrow system is here for the benefit of all of us. FE just breaks this system
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I am a newbie here, and plan on buying a gram of coke and a gram of crack...
I have no history and you still say, no FE?
Any vendors in USA, shipping to USA, that will do it without FE???
I don't want to buy a bunch of shit I don't want, just to run stats up???
Just tryin to get by :)
Check Bungee54's cocaine. He has one of the best ones of SR and he don't requires to FE.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=119846.0
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thanks Godofall2, I have been looking at your gear. Looks great :D
Good to know, can't wait to try 8)
Wish I would have heard about SR earlier ;D
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Hey Speedy, thanks for the tip ;D
I will check it out
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I would FE for, say, SuperTrips (would and have), but not for anybody less reputable.
I'd say ST is a good one to go with. There has been troubles with him and a lot of money lost in the past, but not all his fault. I believe his BTC partners had made off with hundreds of thousands of his $ and he still came back to keep his name. A respectable vendor indeed.
Vendor goodfornothing out of Canada once sent me 50 out of 100 grams of MDMA. I released funds because I was given notice my package had arrived by pick up guy. I messaged GFN about it and he sent 75 grams to make up for the trouble when I ordered another 100grams.
I just received 100 grams of MDMA from Interways. Amazing stuff..
I had another 100 in transit with Italian Mafia Brussels.. seems to be trustworthy
All these guys are very trustworthy for all MDMA buyers ;)
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I would FE for, say, SuperTrips (would and have), but not for anybody less reputable.
I'd say ST is a good one to go with. There has been troubles with him and a lot of money lost in the past, but not all his fault. I believe his BTC partners had made off with hundreds of thousands of his $ and he still came back to keep his name. A respectable vendor indeed.
Vendor goodfornothing out of Canada once sent me 50 out of 100 grams of MDMA. I released funds because I was given notice my package had arrived by pick up guy. I messaged GFN about it and he sent 75 grams to make up for the trouble when I ordered another 100grams.
I just received 100 grams of MDMA from Interways. Amazing stuff..
I had another 100 in transit with Italian Mafia Brussels.. seems to be trustworthy
All these guys are very trustworthy for all MDMA buyers ;)
Ever use OldAmsterdam? Using his express option, I've gotten 500 grams from NL to the US(NE) in as little as 4 days. Didn't think it was even possible, but it was the best stealth AND the biggest chunks of shards I've ever seen. All perfectly tan in color, some ridiculously pure product. SuperTrips is decent too.
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holy fuck dude. sorry for your loss.. a crazy game we all play
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I would FE for, say, SuperTrips (would and have), but not for anybody less reputable.
I'd say ST is a good one to go with. There has been troubles with him and a lot of money lost in the past, but not all his fault. I believe his BTC partners had made off with hundreds of thousands of his $ and he still came back to keep his name. A respectable vendor indeed.
Vendor goodfornothing out of Canada once sent me 50 out of 100 grams of MDMA. I released funds because I was given notice my package had arrived by pick up guy. I messaged GFN about it and he sent 75 grams to make up for the trouble when I ordered another 100grams.
I just received 100 grams of MDMA from Interways. Amazing stuff..
I had another 100 in transit with Italian Mafia Brussels.. seems to be trustworthy
All these guys are very trustworthy for all MDMA buyers ;)
Ever use OldAmsterdam? Using his express option, I've gotten 500 grams from NL to the US(NE) in as little as 4 days. Didn't think it was even possible, but it was the best stealth AND the biggest chunks of shards I've ever seen. All perfectly tan in color, some ridiculously pure product. SuperTrips is decent too.
I would be fucking scared to receive a package that large from NL to US & express?!. If his packaging methods are similar to Supertrips... seems like quite the roll of the dice my friend.. :o
Alb is the best MDMA vendor out of NL IMHO. 10k for 500grams of Ol' Amsterdam or 7-7.5k for 500grams of Alb's rocky madness.
holy fuck dude. sorry for your loss.. a crazy game we all play
I'm happy to have had the good vendors here help me get back up and I've managed to do much better than before..
Unfortunately the reason this happened to me is I was always needing large amounts. When one has low stats it is hard to not be 86'ed out of the escrow umbrella.
cheers 8)
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So should I stick to the escrow umbrella even though I have never made purchases before, even though I have had communication with the vendor and even though he specifies that for noobs this is standard? Will he still send me my shit or will we have to part ways and me find a more suitable vendor?
Any suggestions, though now, i'm prob. going to stick by the SR rule of thumb, no FE's ?
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Ugh, this is making me very nervous.
I've not yet placed my first order, but will likely do so soon with one of the highest rated cola vendors (expensive, but quality) with whom I have already exchanged some private correspondence. Whilst he's happy for me (as a newbie) to escrow purchase up to 2.5g, I was intending to buy an 8-ball and (until reading this thread) was quite happy to FE.
I don't want to start what (I hope) could become a good long-term relationship on the wrong foot by asking him to trust on escrow a delivery larger than he would normally be willing for a newbie, but at the same time I can't help feeling that I may be setting myself up for a fall.
I guess my most obvious option would be to buy a smaller volume until he trusts me enough to send larger amounts on escrow, but I'm more inclined to take a bigger risk (whilst it's money that I can afford to lose, I'd miss the candy and wouldn't want to work with him again).
What do you reckon? One of us has to trust the other, so I figure I may as well step up.
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Go slow and safe on your first few purchases i reckon
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Yeah, as tempting as it is for first-time buyers* to FE, it's better to just find vendors who are sympathetic to the cause. You might pay a little more or have more limited options, but... we're in a black market here. It's kinda how that works.
But think about the benefits: you get to see peer and client reviews here that would rarely, if ever, happen on "the street." Yes prices tend to be a little higher, but availability and transparency beat that hands-down.
*(which are not necessarily newbs -- I've been here for almost a year and only recently placed my first order)
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Like Catalan said though,
It would suck if after a few comfortable and honest PM's w/ the vendor, and reading the endless listings he has, and his fan base, and all the reviews on the bottom, and having lurked around to watch his progress and how awesome they package and take care and the whole spiel, you confront the vendor about the escrow thing and then the vendor get's mad and then refuses to sell you that awesome item you've been drooling over. I almost feel like going against SR's rule of thumb is kinda the last anarchistic behavior that not only gains trust on how much balls you have, but can possibly turn out to be the biggest ice breaker in the vendor/buyer relationship. Don't we do that sometimes anyways when we cop on the streets. I've handed a complete stranger a few grand expecting him to come back in a minute, and he did. (North Philly (USA) Dealers are the Shit) Hell I've done it on the clearnet grabbing up cheap RC's. Oddly enough, the only time a package didn't make it was when it was a free sample. Dude suddenly dropped his email and never posted up anything else on the forum and everyone expecting a sample also was like ???? I had the paranoid idea that maybe it was a fed trying to grab addy's but the compound is quasy legal. Though the same crowd are avid fans of Group Buys in which one person makes a massive order w/ everyone's money and then everyone is supposed to get a way better deal than usual for helping out in the massive purchase. These seem to have more failure than the latter. I had taken an extra measure w/ the vendor by revealing him a hidden name my box get's all the time that the mail man seems to think lives here since he never takes the names mail back and hasn't for many moons. And as Catalan explained, money is money, I'd hate to loose $100 for not following the rules.
Why exactly is there no mod on the road that can stop vendors from putting up on their listing stipulations like FE????
I'm kinda worried myself now, dude has not processed the order. I had already led him to believe I would FE the order. But this and other thread, including the wiki all tell me not too. Though he explicitly says, trust it will be worth it, it works both ways. But come to think about it, how could i fuck him if I don't even know his addy????? Do vendors get screwed like on eBay where people claim they didn't get the package to get their btc's back????/ What is the ratio ????
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Really sorry for your loss, hate hearing such stories... Bad karma for both vendors. Never agree to FE unless your refund rate is high - Then I can see where the FE request comes from. 98% of my issues as a vendor happened with High refund rate buyers, but the majority of the people here are great.
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I was going to ask about why check the high refund rate but it's self explanatory. What about considering their massive good reviews and their massive rating?
By the way, how come most vendors rate stop at 99?????
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Really sorry for your loss, hate hearing such stories... Bad karma for both vendors. Never agree to FE unless your refund rate is high - Then I can see where the FE request comes from. 98% of my issues as a vendor happened with High refund rate buyers, but the majority of the people here are great.
What do you consider a high refund rate? I'm having an issue with a vendor (or, rather, a vendor I've ordered from is having widespread issues -- an apparent rarity for him), and I'll likely wind up getting a 75% refund on this one transaction (my second). Honestly I'm hoping the product arrives and I *don't* need a refund, but... something shit happens.
So I'm curious -- is a 50% or even 33% refund rate considerd high by your standards as a vendor?
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Really sorry for your loss, hate hearing such stories... Bad karma for both vendors. Never agree to FE unless your refund rate is high - Then I can see where the FE request comes from. 98% of my issues as a vendor happened with High refund rate buyers, but the majority of the people here are great.
What do you consider a high refund rate? I'm having an issue with a vendor (or, rather, a vendor I've ordered from is having widespread issues -- an apparent rarity for him), and I'll likely wind up getting a 75% refund on this one transaction (my second). Honestly I'm hoping the product arrives and I *don't* need a refund, but... something shit happens.
So I'm curious -- is a 50% or even 33% refund rate considerd high by your standards as a vendor?
Don't forget it's the refund rate out of all your orders, so I'd say above 15% and I ask to FE. But I don't sell any $10,000 products. Out of 4,000+ transactions we asked only 5-10 times to FE. Most buyers stats are good/new buyers with no stats.
Just try to keep your stats good and you won't face too much problems if any with most vendors. Remember to Finalize in time cause BTC rate isn't stable at all... :)
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So should I stick to the escrow umbrella even though I have never made purchases before, even though I have had communication with the vendor and even though he specifies that for noobs this is standard? Will he still send me my shit or will we have to part ways and me find a more suitable vendor?
Any suggestions, though now, i'm prob. going to stick by the SR rule of thumb, no FE's ?
When you are building buyer stats you will have to FE for your first transactions.
Always be prepared to lose what you FE for. There are many trustworthy vendors, but as always, it is best to be cautious. ,
I broke my one rule that I hadn't broken since I started this thread and I FE'd a month ago for Fauxydocs and bought in to their ONE WEEK SPECIAL 100$ ID!!!!! only have to FE..
I lost that money as they decided to make away with a couple thousand in FE funds before they closed their shop.. fucks :o
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NEVER EVER FE duh.. 8)
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The problem is most of the weed vendors require FE
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FE is definitely fine for your first small purchases with trusted sellers. There is NEVER a reason to FE if you have more than 10 transactions or a long-standing relationship with the vendor. FEing on a 10k purchase is absolute bananas and I would never recommend something like that regardless of what the vendor says.
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Yeah, as tempting as it is for first-time buyers* to FE, it's better to just find vendors who are sympathetic to the cause. You might pay a little more or have more limited options, but... we're in a black market here. It's kinda how that works.
But think about the benefits: you get to see peer and client reviews here that would rarely, if ever, happen on "the street." Yes prices tend to be a little higher, but availability and transparency beat that hands-down.
*(which are not necessarily newbs -- I've been here for almost a year and only recently placed my first order)
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F.E and you will receive nothing.an old scam that still works well on silk road as they allow it.
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So should I stick to the escrow umbrella even though I have never made purchases before, even though I have had communication with the vendor and even though he specifies that for noobs this is standard? Will he still send me my shit or will we have to part ways and me find a more suitable vendor?
Any suggestions, though now, i'm prob. going to stick by the SR rule of thumb, no FE's ?
When you are building buyer stats you will have to FE for your first transactions.
Always be prepared to lose what you FE for. There are many trustworthy vendors, but as always, it is best to be cautious. ,
I broke my one rule that I hadn't broken since I started this thread and I FE'd a month ago for Fauxydocs and bought in to their ONE WEEK SPECIAL 100$ ID!!!!! only have to FE..
I lost that money as they decided to make away with a couple thousand in FE funds before they closed their shop.. fucks :o
Yeah fauxydocs fucked me too. Sucks, I was really convinced they could be trusted.
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welcome to the long road to nowhere ;D