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Title: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: oldcactushand on March 14, 2013, 09:24 am
I've made this thread because a lot of the advice on purchasing bitcoin in the UK goes way over my head. So far, I have purchased bitcoin by meeting someone face to face and giving them cash, but it would be nice if I could do it without leaving my house. So...

Is it stupid and lazy if I have a friend (non-SR user) purchase BTC non-anonymously and then send them to my anonymous wallet? Would it be necessary to put them through some sort of tumbler like bitcoinfog or something, before my friend sends them? Would it be even more stupid and lazy if the person purchasing the BTC occasionally gets SR packages delivered to their house, even if they do not use SR themselves? Or is the whole idea just lazy and leaving me open to LE bastardry?

On a side note. I see on the 'Guide to buying BTC in the UK' thread ( http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=46692.0 ) that people use blockchain.info and pay via bank transfer from their own account? I'm guessing this is safe, because the person who made that thread knows a fuckton more than me about all of this... But how does this NOT compromise anonymity? Is it just because proof of BTC purchase is proof of nothing at all, or what?

Sorry if this didn't need a new thread, I couldn't find anything with this specific question and wanted a specific answer. I don't have time to meet someone for bitcoin this week, and there is a certain listing that won't be there for long that I want to get my hands on. Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: opi on March 16, 2013, 01:00 pm
buying btc are completely legal there is no worry about purchasing bitcoins if anyone asks you heard your friend talking about the profits he made in terms of days and you were intrigued with that and wanted to get involved.  And its completely true cause in the last 14 days bitcoin price has increased by a couple dollars...
Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: bealzebobs on March 16, 2013, 10:37 pm
bitbargain.co.uk in my opinion the easiest way I've come accross in the UK. And opi is right its completely legal to buy bitcoins.
Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: oldcactushand on March 17, 2013, 09:35 am
Thanks guys. I know it's legal to buy them. I guess I'm just concerned that it could be used as evidence against me were they to intercept a package/do a controlled delivery etc.

I buy small personal amounts, so this is incredibly unlikely. But I don't want to get too comfortable with this stuff and become lax on security. Is everyone just buying BTC with their own account? There's no potentially bad consequences of doing this?
Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: WatLanBoon on March 17, 2013, 10:53 am
You've already shown that you're a retard, lazy & stupid...

Why not go for the full house?
Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: PlutoPete on March 17, 2013, 11:37 am
I can personally recommend this vendor for bitcoins in the UK
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/c536b90105
Speedy service straight into your SR account :)
Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: awhiteknight on March 18, 2013, 08:14 am
What's up with #bitcoin-otc-uk? You're buying from individuals for bank transfer via private message on an IRC server with no logging.
Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: HeatFireFlame on March 19, 2013, 01:13 pm
never be stupid enough to use your own bank account to buy BTC, Sure its not illegal but it is a piece of the puzzle that Le will fine and yo really dont want to be standing there saying, yeah i bought BTC so what? prove i use Sr. because if the fuckers are after you or looking into you, they aren't just going to let you "win".

either use BTC-OTC like awhiteknight said, or use a site like localbitcoins, Find a user either way, Walk into the bank with a slip of paper with the account no and sort code. Say " I want to transfer X amount into this account. "  No questions asked.easy and simple. The hardest part is finding somebody trustworthy.

Then transfer it between a few instawallets and easy wallets. on top of that you can use tumblrs if you wish but there is a small fee, SR has a small tumbler built in anyway but it's better safe and spending half an hour to do this, than spending 5 years for importing class A with intent to supply.

Dont leave any paper trails at all if you can. try and keep everything anonymous at all times, It's your freedom your playng with remember, is it worth the amount your ordering?
Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: oldcactushand on March 20, 2013, 10:37 am
Thanks for the reply man! That's what I figured, no point risking it. I will continue meeting face to face for now, and hopefully move on to depositing money into an account of someone trustworthy in the near future.
Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: isthereanyneed on March 20, 2013, 11:36 am
never be stupid enough to use your own bank account to buy BTC, Sure its not illegal but it is a piece of the puzzle that Le will fine and yo really dont want to be standing there saying, yeah i bought BTC so what? prove i use Sr. because if the fuckers are after you or looking into you, they aren't just going to let you "win".

either use BTC-OTC like awhiteknight said, or use a site like localbitcoins, Find a user either way, Walk into the bank with a slip of paper with the account no and sort code. Say " I want to transfer X amount into this account. "  No questions asked.easy and simple. The hardest part is finding somebody trustworthy.

Then transfer it between a few instawallets and easy wallets. on top of that you can use tumblrs if you wish but there is a small fee, SR has a small tumbler built in anyway but it's better safe and spending half an hour to do this, than spending 5 years for importing class A with intent to supply.

Dont leave any paper trails at all if you can. try and keep everything anonymous at all times, It's your freedom your playng with remember, is it worth the amount your ordering?

At least 90% of sr members are stupid then?

How can you walk into a bank and hand over a sort code and account number and say shhhh you didnt see me just wire this money to that account and dont tell any one, shhhh its for btc but you didnt see me''

Dont know if your kidding or what?
Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: HeatFireFlame on March 20, 2013, 01:57 pm
never be stupid enough to use your own bank account to buy BTC, Sure its not illegal but it is a piece of the puzzle that Le will fine and yo really dont want to be standing there saying, yeah i bought BTC so what? prove i use Sr. because if the fuckers are after you or looking into you, they aren't just going to let you "win".

either use BTC-OTC like awhiteknight said, or use a site like localbitcoins, Find a user either way, Walk into the bank with a slip of paper with the account no and sort code. Say " I want to transfer X amount into this account. "  No questions asked.easy and simple. The hardest part is finding somebody trustworthy.

Then transfer it between a few instawallets and easy wallets. on top of that you can use tumblrs if you wish but there is a small fee, SR has a small tumbler built in anyway but it's better safe and spending half an hour to do this, than spending 5 years for importing class A with intent to supply.

Dont leave any paper trails at all if you can. try and keep everything anonymous at all times, It's your freedom your playng with remember, is it worth the amount your ordering?

At least 90% of sr members are stupid then?

How can you walk into a bank and hand over a sort code and account number and say shhhh you didnt see me just wire this money to that account and dont tell any one, shhhh its for btc but you didnt see me''

Dont know if your kidding or what?

Hi mate,  Well first of all i doubt highly that 90% of SR users use their bank accounts to wire money into BTC sellers accounts, If they do then fine with me il be one of the ones not getting arrested.  Where did you get 90% of Sr users use their own bank accounts to directly buy BTC? id like to see the source of this information because i know it's bollocks. If you do that whether you like it or not you are leaving a paper trail, and when Le come knocking, they will have proof you purchased X amount of BTC,. and you better hope they dont trace those coins, and they might even have your PC on which they retrieve certain information, A Sr bust is big news for them, do they would have proper computer technicians working on your pc unless your a top class hacker you will have a problem. End of.

The cops aren't stupid and i really cant be arsed starting an argument about whether it's safe or not to transfer money from your own personal bank account to buy BTC with which you then buy narcotics. Because it isn't look it up and you'l see.
 The safest bet is not to cover your tracks, But not to leave any in the first placce.
 OTC bitcoin and direct money into an account is no doubt the safest way.
It isn't illegal to buy BTC , And the bank dont know you are buying BTC. anyway because for all they know you are transferring money into your own account or a business to pay a bill, who cares they dont. You just need to watch the cameras.

You walk into the bank with a hat on to cover your face , maybe even look up LED hats, your face just shows up as a blob of light on CCTV but that's probably not necessary. You have the account code and sort number of the seller of BTC written down already you hand the teller the slip and money and say 2 i want to deposit X amount into this account and hand over the slip of paper with the money. They do it and your done. By the time i get home my BTC are in my blockchain, from where i put them into a few instawallets and easywallets , then on top of that for extra security i would use a tumbler if it's a large order.
Simple, dont settle for using your own account, i never fucking would, it doesn't matter BTC aren't illegal, if the police see them then they know exactly what you've been doing. and they will get a confirmation it's you because you paid with your own account. if you als start saying "shh you didn't see me " or any bullshit like that you deserve to get caught. GTFO.

Do what you like, but it's your freedom, and your loss but please dont start spreading the info around the forums, because you will get lots of other people into shit if they take your advice.

Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: isthereanyneed on March 20, 2013, 02:17 pm
never be stupid enough to use your own bank account to buy BTC, Sure its not illegal but it is a piece of the puzzle that Le will fine and yo really dont want to be standing there saying, yeah i bought BTC so what? prove i use Sr. because if the fuckers are after you or looking into you, they aren't just going to let you "win".

either use BTC-OTC like awhiteknight said, or use a site like localbitcoins, Find a user either way, Walk into the bank with a slip of paper with the account no and sort code. Say " I want to transfer X amount into this account. "  No questions asked.easy and simple. The hardest part is finding somebody trustworthy.

Then transfer it between a few instawallets and easy wallets. on top of that you can use tumblrs if you wish but there is a small fee, SR has a small tumbler built in anyway but it's better safe and spending half an hour to do this, than spending 5 years for importing class A with intent to supply.

Dont leave any paper trails at all if you can. try and keep everything anonymous at all times, It's your freedom your playng with remember, is it worth the amount your ordering?

At least 90% of sr members are stupid then?

How can you walk into a bank and hand over a sort code and account number and say shhhh you didnt see me just wire this money to that account and dont tell any one, shhhh its for btc but you didnt see me''

Dont know if your kidding or what?

Hi mate,  Well first of all i doubt highly that 90% of SR users use their bank accounts to wire money into BTC sellers accounts, If they do then fine with me il be one of the ones not getting arrested.  Where did you get 90% of Sr users use their own bank accounts to directly buy BTC? id like to see the source of this information because i know it's bollocks. If you do that whether you like it or not you are leaving a paper trail, and when Le come knocking, they will have proof you purchased X amount of BTC,. and you better hope they dont trace those coins, and they might even have your PC on which they retrieve certain information, A Sr bust is big news for them, do they would have proper computer technicians working on your pc unless your a top class hacker you will have a problem. End of.

The cops aren't stupid and i really cant be arsed starting an argument about whether it's safe or not to transfer money from your own personal bank account to buy BTC with which you then buy narcotics. Because it isn't look it up and you'l see.
 The safest bet is not to cover your tracks, But not to leave any in the first placce.
 OTC bitcoin and direct money into an account is no doubt the safest way.
It isn't illegal to buy BTC , And the bank dont know you are buying BTC. anyway because for all they know you are transferring money into your own account or a business to pay a bill, who cares they dont. You just need to watch the cameras.

You walk into the bank with a hat on to cover your face , maybe even look up LED hats, your face just shows up as a blob of light on CCTV but that's probably not necessary. You have the account code and sort number of the seller of BTC written down already you hand the teller the slip and money and say 2 i want to deposit X amount into this account and hand over the slip of paper with the money. They do it and your done. By the time i get home my BTC are in my blockchain, from where i put them into a few instawallets and easywallets , then on top of that for extra security i would use a tumbler if it's a large order.
Simple, dont settle for using your own account, i never fucking would, it doesn't matter BTC aren't illegal, if the police see them then they know exactly what you've been doing. and they will get a confirmation it's you because you paid with your own account. if you als start saying "shh you didn't see me " or any bullshit like that you deserve to get caught. GTFO.

Do what you like, but it's your freedom, and your loss but please dont start spreading the info around the forums, because you will get lots of other people into shit if they take your advice.

lol I cant work out if your serious or trying to wind me up about me saying you can just walk into a bank and say 'shhh just take this money and transfer it to that account, just dont tell any one its for btc''....clearly I am being sarcastic at the very highest level here!

As for my 90% of members statistic well maybe I was a little hasty there but its some where close to that figure, a few will do face to face meets, but the rest are done via some form of bank transfer and as long as your not buying a shit load of product and your not selling I really dont care if LE want to waste their time busting me for  buying a bit of weed online in order to avoid buying contaminated rubbish off the streets.

I think your heart is in the right place but boy are you over thinking things here.  The LE have better things to do and as for wearing some sort of magic mask to go into a bank to avoid coming up on camera wtf are you on about this is taking things to far, your not the worlds most wanted criminal here, your at the very bottom of the list of priorities for the LE and with the way things are going right now with cuts to public services soon LE will literally not have a list for this kind of bust any longer.

If I listened to your over the top BS I would be a nervous wreck, dont listen to this joker sr, he will scare you shitless!

Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: HeatFireFlame on March 20, 2013, 02:56 pm
never be stupid enough to use your own bank account to buy BTC, Sure its not illegal but it is a piece of the puzzle that Le will fine and yo really dont want to be standing there saying, yeah i bought BTC so what? prove i use Sr. because if the fuckers are after you or looking into you, they aren't just going to let you "win".

either use BTC-OTC like awhiteknight said, or use a site like localbitcoins, Find a user either way, Walk into the bank with a slip of paper with the account no and sort code. Say " I want to transfer X amount into this account. "  No questions asked.easy and simple. The hardest part is finding somebody trustworthy.

Then transfer it between a few instawallets and easy wallets. on top of that you can use tumblrs if you wish but there is a small fee, SR has a small tumbler built in anyway but it's better safe and spending half an hour to do this, than spending 5 years for importing class A with intent to supply.

Dont leave any paper trails at all if you can. try and keep everything anonymous at all times, It's your freedom your playng with remember, is it worth the amount your ordering?

At least 90% of sr members are stupid then?

How can you walk into a bank and hand over a sort code and account number and say shhhh you didnt see me just wire this money to that account and dont tell any one, shhhh its for btc but you didnt see me''

Dont know if your kidding or what?

Hi mate,  Well first of all i doubt highly that 90% of SR users use their bank accounts to wire money into BTC sellers accounts, If they do then fine with me il be one of the ones not getting arrested.  Where did you get 90% of Sr users use their own bank accounts to directly buy BTC? id like to see the source of this information because i know it's bollocks. If you do that whether you like it or not you are leaving a paper trail, and when Le come knocking, they will have proof you purchased X amount of BTC,. and you better hope they dont trace those coins, and they might even have your PC on which they retrieve certain information, A Sr bust is big news for them, do they would have proper computer technicians working on your pc unless your a top class hacker you will have a problem. End of.

The cops aren't stupid and i really cant be arsed starting an argument about whether it's safe or not to transfer money from your own personal bank account to buy BTC with which you then buy narcotics. Because it isn't look it up and you'l see.
 The safest bet is not to cover your tracks, But not to leave any in the first placce.
 OTC bitcoin and direct money into an account is no doubt the safest way.
It isn't illegal to buy BTC , And the bank dont know you are buying BTC. anyway because for all they know you are transferring money into your own account or a business to pay a bill, who cares they dont. You just need to watch the cameras.

You walk into the bank with a hat on to cover your face , maybe even look up LED hats, your face just shows up as a blob of light on CCTV but that's probably not necessary. You have the account code and sort number of the seller of BTC written down already you hand the teller the slip and money and say 2 i want to deposit X amount into this account and hand over the slip of paper with the money. They do it and your done. By the time i get home my BTC are in my blockchain, from where i put them into a few instawallets and easywallets , then on top of that for extra security i would use a tumbler if it's a large order.
Simple, dont settle for using your own account, i never fucking would, it doesn't matter BTC aren't illegal, if the police see them then they know exactly what you've been doing. and they will get a confirmation it's you because you paid with your own account. if you als start saying "shh you didn't see me " or any bullshit like that you deserve to get caught. GTFO.

Do what you like, but it's your freedom, and your loss but please dont start spreading the info around the forums, because you will get lots of other people into shit if they take your advice.

lol I cant work out if your serious or trying to wind me up about me saying you can just walk into a bank and say 'shhh just take this money and transfer it to that account, just dont tell any one its for btc''....clearly I am being sarcastic at the very highest level here!

As for my 90% of members statistic well maybe I was a little hasty there but its some where close to that figure, a few will do face to face meets, but the rest are done via some form of bank transfer and as long as your not buying a shit load of product and your not selling I really dont care if LE want to waste their time busting me for  buying a bit of weed online in order to avoid buying contaminated rubbish off the streets.

I think your heart is in the right place but boy are you over thinking things here.  The LE have better things to do and as for wearing some sort of magic mask to go into a bank to avoid coming up on camera wtf are you on about this is taking things to far, your not the worlds most wanted criminal here, your at the very bottom of the list of priorities for the LE and with the way things are going right now with cuts to public services soon LE will literally not have a list for this kind of bust any longer.

If I listened to your over the top BS I would be a nervous wreck, dont listen to this joker sr, he will scare you shitless!

Ok i agree with you 110% about LE not gunna waste time and resources tracking and busting someone for their own personal use of Weed. but it is against the law so if you keep doing it regularly then they aren't just going to say aww well it's only personal let's just let this guy buy his eighth of weed every week.

I was at the wind up slightly about the "shh walk into the bank thing" but seriously , Bitcoin local or localbitcoins look for a seller, some have a phone number, they give you the account no. and sort code and you walk into the bank and literally just say i want to put this money into this account. It's none of their business why you are doing it and i have never been asked. If they did ask, Say your paying a bill, or playing the stock market but they wont.

seriously the LED hat, youtube it or google it whatever there is plenty of clearnet info on it, its a hat with a few LED lights that you cant see. Not a fucking james bond gadget, something that might take half an hour to construct, But saves you 10 years inside, yes please.
i haven't used this method but i do walk in with a new era hat and hide my faces from the cameras, therefore there is no record on my bank account of any BTC purchases. I skip that whole part altogether. it is a simple as walking in and depositing the money, Its not like making a large withdrawal and you need ID etc.

let me tell you 90% is way off, people care about their freedom. You might not care about if you get busted for your drugs, But i sure as fuck do. You dont know everybody's personal situations so where you might not care if it affects you, Your bad advice  might affect somebodys job, or probation or whatever. always be careful, why would you use your bank account for silk road when you dont need to, It is just plain laziness.

i know im not in the FbI's top 10 most wanted criminals, But jesus christ that does not ever mean that i dont need to be careful.

You wanna leave paper trails to Sr , go ahead. But seriously mate, If you think your safe because you only buy personal you dont know how wrong you are.
Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: isthereanyneed on March 20, 2013, 03:16 pm
So you want me to get fake ID and set up a fake bank account to send money to BTC vendors, how else are you supposed to get them the money if you have not got an account with the bank.
Your saying you can just walk into any bank with out a bank account and just do a transfer with out giving any personal info?

Think about how many members that are on sr, think about the amount that use their own back details to buy btc, think about how long that would take to for LE to bust every one of those people and for WHAT really what is going to happen to you, is it going to be all over the newspapers ''MAN BUSTED FOR BUYING CANNABIS ONLINE FOR PERSONAL USE'' or ''MEDICAL MARIJUANA PATENT RECEIVES HER POT THROUGH THE POST'' will any body care? will the world be a better place? the way you are talking your acting as if LE are just biding their time and waiting just gathering enough evidence to put you in jail then their going to strike and take us all down, fuck me I have been buying online weed for the best part of 10 years and nothing has happened, I think you need to stop being so paranoid, your the one giving out bad fucking advice here telling every one they have to go to extreme lengths just to buy a bit of weed or which ever product you buy, fucking hell, if people listened to you every one would be walking around like nervous wrecks wearing special masks and xray glass's so they can see through walls just incase LE are watching them, honest your taking things to far here, really chill the fuck out!
Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: HeatFireFlame on March 20, 2013, 04:27 pm
So you want me to get fake ID and set up a fake bank account to send money to BTC vendors, how else are you supposed to get them the money if you have not got an account with the bank.
Your saying you can just walk into any bank with out a bank account and just do a transfer with out giving any personal info?

Think about how many members that are on sr, think about the amount that use their own back details to buy btc, think about how long that would take to for LE to bust every one of those people and for WHAT really what is going to happen to you, is it going to be all over the newspapers ''MAN BUSTED FOR BUYING CANNABIS ONLINE FOR PERSONAL USE'' or ''MEDICAL MARIJUANA PATENT RECEIVES HER POT THROUGH THE POST'' will any body care? will the world be a better place? the way you are talking your acting as if LE are just biding their time and waiting just gathering enough evidence to put you in jail then their going to strike and take us all down, fuck me I have been buying online weed for the best part of 10 years and nothing has happened, I think you need to stop being so paranoid, your the one giving out bad fucking advice here telling every one they have to go to extreme lengths just to buy a bit of weed or which ever product you buy, fucking hell, if people listened to you every one would be walking around like nervous wrecks wearing special masks and xray glass's so they can see through walls just incase LE are watching them, honest your taking things to far here, really chill the fuck out!

Mate are you not even reading my last posts or are you so far up your own ass that you think you couldnt be wrong.

YOU DONT NEED A FAKE ID, OR A FAKE BANK ACCOUNT! AS I SAID TWICE ALREADY. YOU DONT NEED AN ACCOUNT WITH THE BANK TO PUT MONEY INTO SOMEONES ACCOUNT ARE YOU FUCKING DUMB!
all you do is walk in with the sort code and act. no. written down and say i want to deposit this money into this account. Thats it. I know thats how i buy my BTC.

SO
"Your saying you can just walk into any bank with out a bank account and just do a transfer with out giving any personal info?"

YES THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM FUCKING SAYING! ITS NOT A TRANSFER, ITS A DEPOSIT.

You are making it out as if im some paranoid wreck that uses gadgets to avoid detection because im buying a quarter of skunk. You are clearly an under-educated fool. All i was trying to do here is help the OP who didnt ask for your dumbass advice of how to get busted, He asked best secure way of buying BTC in the UK. Do you stay in the Uk? you sound american so maybe you do need id do deposit money into a bank in the states, But in the UK do you fuck. everyone knows this, the bank dosen't give a fuck who puts money into their banks. taking money out sure, but not putting money into an account.

And Again you fucking idiot, what did i write like 3 times.
You dont need a bank account to deposit money into somebodys account. only the details. Account number and sort code. Thats it. So your whole speech about fake id's and fake bank accounts is bullshit. Of course that's not neccesary, You dont even need a bank account. I dont use one at all for anything to do with BTC or SR, I get my shit fine, i can also bet you that the majority of mods on here either use BTC- OTC or walk into the bank and deposit cash into a seller's account.

il ask you again, WHY in gods name, would you want to use your bank account in the first place for anything to do with SR? You shouldn't the less ties you have to it the better. Your either an idiot or plain lazy. either way nobody on SR should take anything to do with you.

Im not saying be paranoid 24/7, "watch out man the feds are after you". all im saying is.  Dont be a jackass and be lazy and use your own bank account etc because you cant be bothered walking to the bank. its plain stupid.  do some damn research before you start spinning your opinionated ideas over forums. Go and search these exact forums for this. Look up BTC OTC, Local BTC, And the methods needed to purchase BTC anonymously. Then come back and argue your point.

You dont even seem to be acknowledging my points im making, im wasting my time talking to you, You'l learn the hard way.

Im doing this for the OP and anybody else that might want to buy BTC in the UK anonymously. if you need any advice guys feel free to PM me or reply to this.

dont listen to this jackass, Im not some over paranoid asshole, Im just careful, you dont need gadgets and xray glasses or whatever this prick is saying.
You need a hat for walking into the bank, you know what i mean?

it's simple. no bank accounts.

Cash - BTC sellers account -  BTC to blockchain - blockchain to instawallet - instawallet to easywallet - easywallet to SR.     Done.

You sir, really need to do your research,    Could someone else tell this idiot im right so this dosen't go on forever. im not saying you cant use your bank account, But why the fuck would you when you dont need to.   

Better safe than sorry.  you shouldn't have to cover your tracks because you shouldn't leave any.  SIMPLE.
Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: isthereanyneed on March 20, 2013, 09:26 pm
So you want me to get fake ID and set up a fake bank account to send money to BTC vendors, how else are you supposed to get them the money if you have not got an account with the bank.
Your saying you can just walk into any bank with out a bank account and just do a transfer with out giving any personal info?

Think about how many members that are on sr, think about the amount that use their own back details to buy btc, think about how long that would take to for LE to bust every one of those people and for WHAT really what is going to happen to you, is it going to be all over the newspapers ''MAN BUSTED FOR BUYING CANNABIS ONLINE FOR PERSONAL USE'' or ''MEDICAL MARIJUANA PATENT RECEIVES HER POT THROUGH THE POST'' will any body care? will the world be a better place? the way you are talking your acting as if LE are just biding their time and waiting just gathering enough evidence to put you in jail then their going to strike and take us all down, fuck me I have been buying online weed for the best part of 10 years and nothing has happened, I think you need to stop being so paranoid, your the one giving out bad fucking advice here telling every one they have to go to extreme lengths just to buy a bit of weed or which ever product you buy, fucking hell, if people listened to you every one would be walking around like nervous wrecks wearing special masks and xray glass's so they can see through walls just incase LE are watching them, honest your taking things to far here, really chill the fuck out!

Mate are you not even reading my last posts or are you so far up your own ass that you think you couldnt be wrong.

YOU DONT NEED A FAKE ID, OR A FAKE BANK ACCOUNT! AS I SAID TWICE ALREADY. YOU DONT NEED AN ACCOUNT WITH THE BANK TO PUT MONEY INTO SOMEONES ACCOUNT ARE YOU FUCKING DUMB!
all you do is walk in with the sort code and act. no. written down and say i want to deposit this money into this account. Thats it. I know thats how i buy my BTC.

SO
"Your saying you can just walk into any bank with out a bank account and just do a transfer with out giving any personal info?"

YES THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM FUCKING SAYING! ITS NOT A TRANSFER, ITS A DEPOSIT.

You are making it out as if im some paranoid wreck that uses gadgets to avoid detection because im buying a quarter of skunk. You are clearly an under-educated fool. All i was trying to do here is help the OP who didnt ask for your dumbass advice of how to get busted, He asked best secure way of buying BTC in the UK. Do you stay in the Uk? you sound american so maybe you do need id do deposit money into a bank in the states, But in the UK do you fuck. everyone knows this, the bank dosen't give a fuck who puts money into their banks. taking money out sure, but not putting money into an account.

And Again you fucking idiot, what did i write like 3 times.
You dont need a bank account to deposit money into somebodys account. only the details. Account number and sort code. Thats it. So your whole speech about fake id's and fake bank accounts is bullshit. Of course that's not neccesary, You dont even need a bank account. I dont use one at all for anything to do with BTC or SR, I get my shit fine, i can also bet you that the majority of mods on here either use BTC- OTC or walk into the bank and deposit cash into a seller's account.

il ask you again, WHY in gods name, would you want to use your bank account in the first place for anything to do with SR? You shouldn't the less ties you have to it the better. Your either an idiot or plain lazy. either way nobody on SR should take anything to do with you.

Im not saying be paranoid 24/7, "watch out man the feds are after you". all im saying is.  Dont be a jackass and be lazy and use your own bank account etc because you cant be bothered walking to the bank. its plain stupid.  do some damn research before you start spinning your opinionated ideas over forums. Go and search these exact forums for this. Look up BTC OTC, Local BTC, And the methods needed to purchase BTC anonymously. Then come back and argue your point.

You dont even seem to be acknowledging my points im making, im wasting my time talking to you, You'l learn the hard way.

Im doing this for the OP and anybody else that might want to buy BTC in the UK anonymously. if you need any advice guys feel free to PM me or reply to this.

dont listen to this jackass, Im not some over paranoid asshole, Im just careful, you dont need gadgets and xray glasses or whatever this prick is saying.
You need a hat for walking into the bank, you know what i mean?

it's simple. no bank accounts.

Cash - BTC sellers account -  BTC to blockchain - blockchain to instawallet - instawallet to easywallet - easywallet to SR.     Done.

You sir, really need to do your research,    Could someone else tell this idiot im right so this dosen't go on forever. im not saying you cant use your bank account, But why the fuck would you when you dont need to.   

Better safe than sorry.  you shouldn't have to cover your tracks because you shouldn't leave any.  SIMPLE.

Maybe I was a little harsh on you little guy, sorry about that, your hearts in the right place and I can see your point which is valid but you have to understand most sr members are just every day normal people they don't want to get involved with super ninja stealth tactics like going from bank to bank to see which teller is not going to question their random and a little suspicious cash transfers, they just want to sit in their homes especially if they are medical marijuana users as many physically can not leave the house so they will use their laptop to transfer some money over to a btc vendor, get the coins, maybe go from one wallet to another first maybe not (sr has a mechanism to semi tumble btc) then buy what the need and have been doing so for many years all with out any problems.

Your explanation of things is correct but members in parts of London might have a problem doing it this way as banks there work a bit tighter, maybe along the same lines as the US so this cant be done by every member for a number of reasons and to say something like 'oh you will learn the hard way' is just going to frighten people unnecessarily.

I might even start doing what you suggest if I ever thought I was compromised in any way but when all is said and done we are just buyers, all we do is a buy a little here and there, no LE dept in the world would be interested in busting us its just not their interest, its good to be a little paranoid and cautious but don't let it take over your life, if your not buying bulk or selling then buying a few btc here and there using your own bank details to save time well this is not the end of the world, lots do, lots will continue to do it, the online drugs market has only just begun, things will only expand rapidly over the next few years until eventually something will give and I can guarantee we wont be waving our white flags any time soon.

Anyway agree to disagree fella, welcome to the mad house :)
Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: oldcactushand on March 20, 2013, 09:43 pm
I can't emphasize enough how UNsuspicious it is depositing money in someone's account by going into the bank in this country. It would be completely bizarre if the teller questioned you about any aspect of the deposit. I guess if you're depositing hundreds or thousands on a regular basis it would could be suspicious, I guess this is where LED hat would come in handy. But obviously you'd go to different banks, do smaller amounts etc.

And I don't think the point being made is that LE are going to spend a fuckload on people buying small amounts. The worry, for me at least, is that IF they found something in the post, even if its not massive, and IF they decide to go ahead and try and get me on it. It's unlikely to happen, but it could. Who knows why? Internal politics can lead to what appears as irrational behavior externally. "I didn't order that, never heard of SR, anyone can send me anything..." - I don't know how likely this argument is to work, but it must be damaged if they can prove you bought BTC. "Oh look, it's enough to purchase what was sent to you, and you have no way of accounting for those coins... "

That's the way I'm seeing it any way. Not trying to panic people at all. It's essentially a precaution that you take that will only come in handy in the event of police finding something on its way to you and deciding to move on it. Obviously, the chances of that happening are small. But I still like to think that even if they tried to get me on it, they'd have trouble proving I purchased it. No evidence at all beyond it being sent to me, preferably.
Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: isthereanyneed on March 20, 2013, 10:04 pm
I can't emphasize enough how UNsuspicious it is depositing money in someone's account by going into the bank in this country. It would be completely bizarre if the teller questioned you about any aspect of the deposit. I guess if you're depositing hundreds or thousands on a regular basis it would could be suspicious, I guess this is where LED hat would come in handy. But obviously you'd go to different banks, do smaller amounts etc.

And I don't think the point being made is that LE are going to spend a fuckload on people buying small amounts. The worry, for me at least, is that IF they found something in the post, even if its not massive, and IF they decide to go ahead and try and get me on it. It's unlikely to happen, but it could. Who knows why? Internal politics can lead to what appears as irrational behavior externally. "I didn't order that, never heard of SR, anyone can send me anything..." - I don't know how likely this argument is to work, but it must be damaged if they can prove you bought BTC. "Oh look, it's enough to purchase what was sent to you, and you have no way of accounting for those coins... "

That's the way I'm seeing it any way. Not trying to panic people at all. It's essentially a precaution that you take that will only come in handy in the event of police finding something on its way to you and deciding to move on it. Obviously, the chances of that happening are small. But I still like to think that even if they tried to get me on it, they'd have trouble proving I purchased it. No evidence at all beyond it being sent to me, preferably.

I cant go into the many reason on how you could explain legitimate btc purchases to the LE for obvious reasons but there a few and usually you wont even have to do this not unless the btc vendor himself got busted for selling btc then they would be able to link btc directly to you(this would never happen just an example) but if your just transferring money from one account to another again there are many legitimate reasons why you would do this all of which I don't want to talk about here.

LE will not pursue small amounts of controlled substances sent through the mail they wont even attempt to track the sender, there are to many grey areas, to many loop holes, to much money and time involved for little or no reward, but if your concerned about this then of course its wise not to use your own account to buy btc but if that's the only option (living in a remote areas or you cant leave the house for some reason) then don't if reading this think that you have made a massive mistake by using your own account to buy btc.

Just go to remember if the shit does hit the fan no matter how many bank transfers are brought up, never ever tell LE anything about sr, they can never prove anything EVER (unless you were stupid enough to write down your password and ID) and the rest well you should by now have a cover story in your head, just be ready to use it, so yeah try not to use your own account but equally if you are don't be overly concerned, to many people to bust not enough man power in the world to do it.

Title: Re: A stupid and lazy way to buy BTC? (UK)
Post by: HeatFireFlame on March 20, 2013, 11:29 pm
agreed . Thank you for being reasonable, I appreciate it. Agree to disagree.

My point was only that it's probably better to do it anonymously where possible just so that there is as little on you as possible.
Also i agree with oldcactushand in this country it is very very unusual for someone to be asked by a teller what it's for, and ID is certainly never asked for.

But i also know that if your package was substantial , or class A (schedule 1), then there is always the possibility, And if said medical users addresse's were flagged because of not being "paranoid" or safety conscious enough then it would be a shame as they could no longer get packages.

But think about it, That's gotta be good publicity for the police department catching a SR user. let alone the pressure they must be under because of the lack of arrests and the major amount of drugs being sold online. If they cant catch the big players any will do, especially users who lack protection in the online security department.

If Le came to your door, and you refuse to sign, that's a red flag in my opinion, because think about it, anybody that wasn't expecting a package but had nothing to hide would of course sign for the package to see what they had been sent.
As for "somebody set me up". What normal citizen gets set up? you usually have to be into some dodgy shit or involved with dodgy people to get set up any good cop knows that. Another red flag.
If you are somebody who is housebound, Or living in a remote area, And you have no other option, just transfer it through a couple extra instawallets and easywallets, maybe use a tumbler if it's personal use you may well be safe enough,
Exactly a precaution, That if you know about, you would be daft to ignore. Just my 2 cents.

Stay safe everyone