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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: rebatugam on February 09, 2013, 08:55 pm

Title: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: rebatugam on February 09, 2013, 08:55 pm
I've tried alcohol, tobacco and caffeine. Besides those, what's a good drug for a beginner to start with? I've been thinking about buying hash or weed first and then maybe MDMA and shrooms. Does that sound like a good idea?
Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: W3atherPattern on February 09, 2013, 09:04 pm
what are you looking to get out of your drug experience?  have you visited erowid (clearnet).org?  the answer is almost certainly weed tho.
Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: sleepyeyes2k2 on February 09, 2013, 09:09 pm
I think 2mg Clonazepam.  It gives you this smooth chilled out feeling, then puts you into a relaxed sleep, ans wakes you up cleanly, without a hangover.
Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: rebatugam on February 09, 2013, 09:14 pm
what are you looking to get out of your drug experience?  have you visited erowid (clearnet).org?  the answer is almost certainly weed tho.

I've been on that site briefly. I guess I'm looking for new experiences. I don't party so it's not for that. I'm going to do the drugs alone. No sitter. I've read about how psychedelics have helped people look differently at themselves and the world and get guidance and find a spiritual side and stuff. That sounds very interesting to me but I'm just worried what will happen because I don't have a sitter and I have no one to call except 911 which I don't want to do obviously. I've also had some "mental health problems" and some say you shouldn't experiment with drugs then, but I don't give a fuck about that.
Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: rebatugam on February 09, 2013, 09:16 pm
I think 2mg Clonazepam.  It gives you this smooth chilled out feeling, then puts you into a relaxed sleep, ans wakes you up cleanly, without a hangover.

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thanks for the tip, will look into that
Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: W3atherPattern on February 09, 2013, 09:22 pm
set and setting make a difference if youre gonna be diving into psychedelics - but id def start with weed (it is a psychedelic) before moving into anything heavier.  then shrooms.  protip:  dont call 911 ever, youll be fine, youre not gonna die, it is all in your head. there's no way to really describe the experience of a heavy trip effectively to someone without any experience themselves - as much as you read, it doesn't compare to the real thing (which you'll understand afterwards, as you struggle to put into words something that is outside of language).  you want to be in a good mental spot before diving in, IMO - I'm a loner too in terms of not doing em w others so i dont think that that is a concern.  happy to elaborate more if interested
Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: Captaingreen on February 09, 2013, 09:23 pm
Try some stavia hybrid weed. try not to get on benzos until you read up on them. any drug you try make sure you completely understand the risks involved and what can happen if you od or get dependent on it.
Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: Duckman on February 09, 2013, 09:33 pm
I've also had some "mental health problems" and some say you shouldn't experiment with drugs then, but I don't give a fuck about that.

There is a lot of evidence supporting the notion that drugs, including weed can accelerate the onset of mental illness.

What this means is that most people can take drugs in moderation and suffer no ill effect, however a person with a history of mental illness could do themselves considerable harm as if you make your condition worse, the effects are irreversible and so if you stop taking drugs you wont get better.

Everybody usually knows one guy who has managed to "fry his brain" and often whats happened is the guy hasn't really taken as much as people think he has, its just that he had a pre-existing mental health problem and the drugs then accelerated the onset of this problem.

If you are going to take drugs then you need to do a lot of research as to how it will effect you personally.

If a person had heart problems then they would have to accept that there were some things in life that they just couldn't do due to medical reasons, unfortunately the same applies to mental health issues.

I smoke a lot of weed, its one of the softest drugs available, yet there is overwhelming evidence to suggest that it is not good for people with certain mental health issues.

Ultimately its up to you.  Unfortunately if you have a history of mental illness then you have to be a lot more cautions then people who have no such history.





 
Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: GQHustle on February 09, 2013, 09:49 pm
I guess it matters a little on what type of person you are.  But if I were prescribing it would definitely be mdma or coke.
Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: rebatugam on February 09, 2013, 09:52 pm
I've also had some "mental health problems" and some say you shouldn't experiment with drugs then, but I don't give a fuck about that.

There is a lot of evidence supporting the notion that drugs, including weed can accelerate the onset of mental illness.

What this means is that most people can take drugs in moderation and suffer no ill effect, however a person with a history of mental illness could do themselves considerable harm as if you make your condition worse, the effects are irreversible and so if you stop taking drugs you wont get better.

Everybody usually knows one guy who has managed to "fry his brain" and often whats happened is the guy hasn't really taken as much as people think he has, its just that he had a pre-existing mental health problem and the drugs then accelerated the onset of this problem.

If you are going to take drugs then you need to do a lot of research as to how it will effect you personally.

If a person had heart problems then they would have to accept that there were some things in life that they just couldn't do due to medical reasons, unfortunately the same applies to mental health issues.

I smoke a lot of weed, its one of the softest drugs available, yet there is overwhelming evidence to suggest that it is not good for people with certain mental health issues.

Ultimately its up to you.  Unfortunately if you have a history of mental illness then you have to be a lot more cautions then people who have no such history.

Thanks for the advice.

But isn't a part of it that people with mental problems that got worse because of drugs are more likely to tell professionals about it than non-problematic drug-users? And isn't also a part of it that the researchers see a correlation between increases in some mental problem and the use of some drug but it's not always causal? I'm not trying to argue against your post. I will try to be cautious. But I'm just wondering how much is truth in the information that gets spread around.
Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: Dovah457 on February 09, 2013, 09:56 pm
"mental health problems" can mean a lot of things, including nothing. I had a similar condition and when I started smoking ganja, it actually CURED me. Since then, I haven't had to take the meds I used to have to take. Thus, I would recommend weed to start with and then jump to either MDMA or mushrooms. Both are pretty good to start with in my opinion.
Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: rebatugam on February 09, 2013, 09:57 pm
you want to be in a good mental spot before diving in, IMO    happy to elaborate more if interested

Do you do anything to get yourself into a good mental spot? My mood is pretty much the same every day; quite down.
Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: sleepyeyes2k2 on February 09, 2013, 10:00 pm
Yeah, I know there are those saying be careful, and I'm not saying take 10, but as a vet with PTSD, I was *prescribed* 2mg Clonazepam, and I was down all the time.  It won't pick you up, exactly, but it will enable you to not give a shit for awhile, and help you get some restful sleep.  Plus, you can pick up 50 or so pills on SR for not a whole lot of cash. 
Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: Duckman on February 09, 2013, 10:07 pm


Thanks for the advice.

But isn't a part of it that people with mental problems that got worse because of drugs are more likely to tell professionals about it than non-problematic drug-users? And isn't also a part of it that the researchers see a correlation between increases in some mental problem and the use of some drug but it's not always causal? I'm not trying to argue against your post. I will try to be cautious. But I'm just wondering how much is truth in the information that gets spread around.

We can only go by the information that exists.

Whilst it may or may not be wrong, I would rather believe the findings of research teams than the opinion of anyone on a web forum.

It is your decision, you pays your money, and you takes your chances.
   
Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: bzp3o on February 09, 2013, 10:08 pm
What you need is a grav bong and some hash oil.  Get hash oil off of SR and look up how to make the grave on youtube.  Then watch Katt Williams weed on youtube after you hit the grav.  It will change your life. 
Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: StraightThuggin on February 09, 2013, 10:48 pm
Start off with plain old bud, then see how that effects you, then id do a low dose of mushies, its awesome man.
Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: android465764E on February 09, 2013, 11:05 pm
Just a nice bag of weed. (sativa strain for a cerebral/mental high, or indica strain for a couch-lock body high).

Also get a couple of xtc tablets, or a gram of mdma. (essentially the same, but the amount of mdma in a xct pill is a kinda unknown element).


Smoke a joint, slowly. See how you feel.

Then, take half a pill (depending on the strength of the pill) or 60-80mg of mdma.


This should give you a pretty gentle introduction into the world of mind-altering drugs.

Totally agree with above advice though, head over to erowid.org and do a bit of research into what kind of experience you're looking for. 

Have fun! 

Title: Re: what's a good drug for a beginner?
Post by: lampbox on February 09, 2013, 11:47 pm
Weed kind of sucks, I think lower doses of psycadeclics are easier to deal with but that might just be me.