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Title: Plugging MDMA
Post by: tcobambientAgain on February 28, 2012, 05:43 am
I've never done MDMA before and heard that plugging (yes, putting it in your ass) gives you a better high.  I have some coming in this week, which I believe is crystal and have been thinking about how I was going to take it.  First off, does this make me gay for doing it (I'm totally kidding).   I'm sure there are people who have a lot of experience with MDMA and can provide some answers. 
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: respect on February 28, 2012, 06:42 am
I've thought about this on occasion. Never tried it. I'd say, put a dose in an oral syringe, dissolve in distilled water and shoot it up your bum. No, does not make you gay. But it'll probably make you shit, lol. Why does MDMA always make me shit? lol
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: tcobambientAgain on February 28, 2012, 06:55 am
So I should expect to shit on MDMA even if I take it orally?  I am seriously thinking about doing the oral syringe with the dissolved MDMA for my first time though.  I think it takes less to get your trip and it's a better trip.  As far as what I've read. 

Maybe I am gay though and just looking for an excuse to put something in my ass?  I'm kidding.  I hate that sarcasm doesn't travel over the internet. 
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: tcobambientAgain on February 28, 2012, 07:48 am
lol

Thanks man.   I'll take that into consideration.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: respect on February 28, 2012, 10:00 am
turn a condom inside out and put on your finger, put the mdma on the top of the condom, then wam bam thank you mamm!!

me thinks this would work fine for a pill, but crystal? idk about that.

MDMA always makes me shit, lol. I've only ever done orally. I usually dump it under my tongue and try to leave it there as long as possible, but GOD it tastes like shit.

Either way, you want an empty stomach. The longer its been since you've ate, the better. Take vitamins though. And personally, I like lots of grapefruit juice, orange juice and spicy tea :)
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: aurorag on February 28, 2012, 11:21 am
I'd say, put a dose in an oral syringe, dissolve in distilled water and shoot it up your bum.

+1
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: johnwholesome on February 28, 2012, 11:30 am
I wouldn't do it for the first time. MDMA for the first time is a very "enlightening" experience. Not like LSD, but nonetheless very very profound.

However, if you use a route of administration that hammers you, e.g. snorting or plugging, you'll prolly perceive your first roll more like being on speed or something similar.

Nana, first time E is definitely an oral thing imho, especially since you got crystal, trust me, you parachute crystal that shit comes on fast and hard enough.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: respect on February 28, 2012, 01:42 pm
Johny's got a point there. Particularly, I'm thinking about the dosage now. Should plugging dosage be less than you would take orally? idk, but I'm thinking yes. I've never parachuted the stuff though. I did make up gelcaps before, but IMO, not good idea. When I drop the crystal under my tongue, that shit comes on in like 20 mins. The gelcaps would take an hour+ at least to come up.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: ianfleming on February 28, 2012, 10:43 pm
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Should plugging dosage be less than you would take orally?
YEAH, it's a lot stronger like that.
Usually it's advised you keep it to 1/3 and oral dose (and even then some say that's high)

Out of curiosity could a woman take a low dose vaginally (I know some drugs are administered that way)
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: tcobambientAgain on February 28, 2012, 10:47 pm
Thanks for all the advice.  I was told to take it orally but I read it takes a lot less if you plug and I just got a sample of 200mg.  My plan was to dissolve it in water and just inject it rectally.  Not to actually put the hard crystals in my ass.  I'm debating.  I just got it in today's mail and just thinking about the right situation to do it in.  My first time I may just do it at home and chill out to see what the effects are.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: gustono on February 28, 2012, 11:44 pm
Thanks for all the advice.  I was told to take it orally but I read it takes a lot less if you plug and I just got a sample of 200mg.  My plan was to dissolve it in water and just inject it rectally.  Not to actually put the hard crystals in my ass.  I'm debating.  I just got it in today's mail and just thinking about the right situation to do it in.  My first time I may just do it at home and chill out to see what the effects are.

Don't do this, people often say your first roll is the most amazing. Administer it however you want (I would go orally to be honest) but make sure where you're doing it is sure to be good fun surrounded by your friends.

200mg is enough for an initial dose of 130mg then a re-dose at 70mg and that should have you rolling pretty nicely if it's your first time and if it's relatively pure.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: johnwholesome on February 29, 2012, 02:09 am
Yeah 200mg is way enough first time, even if it ain't all that great. See with MDMA it's about your initial 2 doses anyways. They have a "sweet spot". It's not like, oh my first 200mg didn't get me that high lets add another 100mg, the third dose usually does shit regardless of amount. If you don't get rolling out of your mind on 200 for the first time then that won't improve with more or by route of administration.

BTW

Gelcaps. The ones used for BCAA supplements are designed to dissolve really really quickly. Get BCAA caps and you're on after 20 to 25 minutes, just like parachuting.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: ohK on February 29, 2012, 03:03 am
I have a friend who swears this is the best thing ever. He uses a syringe (minus the needle!) to squirt a crushed pill/crystal mixed with a little water up his ass. Apparently this method works well with coke, ket etc as well, because your rectum has a lot more blood vessels than your nose and you can feel it work its way up your spine.

I'd love to have the balls to try it but i dont think i could violate myself in such a way without feeling slightly gay.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: MollyBloom on February 29, 2012, 03:10 am
I'll never understand peoples obsession with sticking drugs up their bum.....rather than simply eating.

always seems like a case of the end definitely not justifying the *gross* means
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: ianfleming on February 29, 2012, 03:55 am
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I'd love to have the balls to try it but i dont think i could violate myself in such a way without feeling slightly gay.
Ever had a prostate exam?
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: tcobambientAgain on February 29, 2012, 04:59 am
Seriously.  People need to get over the ass thing.  It's a part of your body and if it works better to throw a drug up there what's the big deal?  I know I joked around about the gay thing but why are people so uncomfortable with their own bodies.  I mean you wipe your ass on a daily basis so it's not like your asshole is disassociated from your body.  You're not fisting yourself, it's just shooting a little water up there with a drug mixed in. 
And no, I'm not gay.  Not that there's anything wrong with it. 
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: johnwholesome on February 29, 2012, 05:03 am
Maybe people making a deal out of it have never been administered a suppository in all their life?

Ya know, not too long ago, say 20 years or so, most fever medications for kids were suppositories, they were much more common then.

Although, admittedly, I have my reservations about sticking drugs up my ass myself tbh :)
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: Beastie on February 29, 2012, 05:24 am
It is only gay if you are a Guy, the object is a Dick, and you enjoyed it.

Forget the water syringe silliness. I hear that method a lot, but it is pointless. Just push the whole pill up there with your finger. The goal is to push it up there about 1.5" (one and a half inches). That is where there is a big collection of blood vessels which will absorb the MDMA the fastest.

I only plug MDMA pills... shoot I forget the exact %'s but MDMA is absorbed far better up the ass then swallowed. MDMA also causes some minor intestinal problems when swallowed, but when taken up the ass the small intestine is bypassed. The effects are cleaner, stronger, and last longer.... now I mite be wrong about this one (it also allows the MDMA to reach the brain before it is processed by the liver/kidneys, so on top of more being absorbed even more is active).

In my opinion, all other methods of MDMA administration are a waste.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: tcobambientAgain on February 29, 2012, 05:50 am
What if it's not a pill but crystal? 
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: Beastie on February 29, 2012, 06:37 am
What if it's not a pill but crystal?

Owe shoot, I just read your original post. I thought about getting crystal and how to plug that too.

I guess the syringe with out the needle attached would would in this case be good way. Because I don't have a syringe I was linking about like putting it in the bottom (longer half) of a gelcap and not putting the top half on, so you don't have to wait for the gel to dissolve. Then plug then open end with a peace of bread. The bread should dissolve fairly quickly.

 
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: MollyBloom on February 29, 2012, 07:28 am

@MollyBloom im guessing your a female, and the fact it seems 'gross' to you says enough about you...... ;)

aye. I was taking the piss a bit though.
 But I still say, why put something up your bum that you can just put in your mouth...

heh.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: Beastie on February 29, 2012, 07:36 am

@MollyBloom im guessing your a female, and the fact it seems 'gross' to you says enough about you...... ;)

aye. I was taking the piss a bit though.
 But I still say, why put something up your bum that you can just put in your mouth...

heh.

Because, MDMA is not as efficiently absorbed from oral administration.

That is like asking, "Why would you drive your car to places instead of walking?"
Sure, you can walk but if you drive your car you will get there faster and with less effort.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: respect on February 29, 2012, 03:36 pm
Well, chicks oughta plug it up their pussies. Nuttin gross about that :)
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: 2xT4eB on February 29, 2012, 05:05 pm
Maybe someone can give me some advice:  I did my first X in 1985-86, a small yellow tablet.  A totally unbelievable experience--went to see  Bobby "Blue" Bland, made out with a black girl I didn't even know...Every subsequent experience, and there were many, were just as unbelievable (minus the black chick).  At that time we would get these huge wafer tabs--I don't know what the dose was.  In the '90's I started getting all these little stamped pills, most of which were awesome.  Every once in a while you'd find some bogus pills, then in the late '90's they were ALL bogus.  Then my sources dried up, and I didn't have any until I found SR (thank you, Lord).

We had always just taken pills, dosage unknown.  So when faced with powder, I did some research and figured with my body weigh I would need about .15, which I took at 6:00 pm.  After two hours, I died another .15.  An hour later, I ate something and went to sleep.  Not exactly as I remembered.  Since then I've tried a number of combinations of dosages and means of ingestion.  The only time I really got off was when I took .2 g.,  then over several hours snorted probably about the same amount.

Any suggestions?  While the idea of plugging doesn't sound like my idea of a good time, If it works...If I should decide to try it, what dose, do you think? 

Thanks for any input..
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: respect on February 29, 2012, 07:42 pm
Any suggestions?

Sounds like you might not have very good stuff. Or maybe you're just not doing it right. Eating is a big no no. You shouldn't eat for at least four hours before E. Personally, I follow a preloading regimen of a variety of vitamins and 5-HTP, plenty of juices. Then on roll day, I fast the whole day (except for vitamins and juices) and finally drop my dose at party time. Given my weight, tolerance and how I like to roll, I always drop .2 to start, the only question is how much I wanna follow up with, either .1 or .2. I'd never do less than .3 in a night, and hopefully not more than .5 if I'm gettin really crazy, lol. But it happens.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: ohK on March 01, 2012, 12:45 am
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I'd love to have the balls to try it but i dont think i could violate myself in such a way without feeling slightly gay.
Ever had a prostate exam?

No, but an ex gf tried slipping a digit up once.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: mantaray on March 01, 2012, 01:24 am
Last summer I was such a slut for mdma, I was rolling hard getting all tingly and sexed up on the bed, then I snorted some and put some crystal on my finger and in to anus. Those crystals would tingle there it felt very good and painful at the same time but after 5minutes had to go for a shit. Some wasted molly~

so my tips would be to eat nice and healthy day before
at the day of roll
try to take a nice morning shit and maybe eating something very light and drink some healthy ass drink.

great feeling to take mdma would be lets say like after a nice shit feeling very light and the body energized just before you actually get hungry. Not stomach full of dead animal bits and candies all bloated up. The ecstasy will work even if you just ate but I think it would be harder to feel some effects of mdma.

If you want to plug (I really think it's worth trying altough I wouldn't try with my last roll/0.1g)  mix the mdma with a little bit of water in the syringe and squirt it chill on your side for a couple of minutes after 15-25mins while looking in the mirror you are asking yourself "who is this very good looking person?"
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: valondra on March 01, 2012, 02:07 am
Since it is crystal (especially if you're getting it from europe), I say divide them up into 50mg doses. Dissolve one dose into a small cup of juice (orange is pretty good) and drink. Take another 50mg every 30 minutes until all is right with the world or you're unable to go through the motions of dissolving a dose to drink (whichever strength you prefer).

To maximize the potency, take 50mg of 5-htp about 2 hours before rolling and make sure your stomach is completely empty (have a light healthy meal and fast for a good 4-5 hours before taking your first dose).

When I do the above, it will hit me hard in about 10 minutes (with 80% puity holland brown sugar crystals).
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: Locrian on March 01, 2012, 04:16 am
Well, chicks oughta plug it up their pussies. Nuttin gross about that :)

There's actually a pretty well-known report on Erowid called "Cunt Odyssey: Search for Vaginal Datapoints," where a group of women tried exactly that.  They all dosed themselves on a handful of different substances, like acid, MDMA, etc.  They didn't get as fucked up as you might think; apparently vaginal bioavailability isn't very high.  Just google "cunt odyssey" if you're at all interested.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: respect on March 01, 2012, 04:59 am
Well, chicks oughta plug it up their pussies. Nuttin gross about that :)

There's actually a pretty well-known report on Erowid called "Cunt Odyssey: Search for Vaginal Datapoints," where a group of women tried exactly that.  They all dosed themselves on a handful of different substances, like acid, MDMA, etc.  They didn't get as fucked up as you might think; apparently vaginal bioavailability isn't very high.  Just google "cunt odyssey" if you're at all interested.

Wow, really? I would have thought it to be the same? Not to compare the pink eye with the brown, lol. But, its the same region, same soft tissue. I even find sublingual administration similar to the description of suppository action. Tastes like shit, though and is a bitch to not just drink it down. But I've managed and starts hittin me in under 15 mins.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: Locrian on March 01, 2012, 05:54 am
Well, chicks oughta plug it up their pussies. Nuttin gross about that :)

There's actually a pretty well-known report on Erowid called "Cunt Odyssey: Search for Vaginal Datapoints," where a group of women tried exactly that.  They all dosed themselves on a handful of different substances, like acid, MDMA, etc.  They didn't get as fucked up as you might think; apparently vaginal bioavailability isn't very high.  Just google "cunt odyssey" if you're at all interested.

Wow, really? I would have thought it to be the same? Not to compare the pink eye with the brown, lol. But, its the same region, same soft tissue. I even find sublingual administration similar to the description of suppository action. Tastes like shit, though and is a bitch to not just drink it down. But I've managed and starts hittin me in under 15 mins.

Yeah, I would have thought so too.  And I take every "experience report" I read on Erowid with a gigantic grain of salt, but these chicks really sounded legit.  They seemed to know what they were doing, so I'm inclined to take the piece at face value.

Sublingual is pretty good if you can fight the urge to swallow and chase, although it does taste like the devil's asscrack.  I'm willing to bet most people don't keep it in their mouth more than a few seconds.  I love the "molly face" people get when they dose that way, hahaha.  I've damn near developed a taste for it, myself, although I make the same crazy mega-lemon-face.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: tcobambientAgain on March 01, 2012, 06:45 am
OK.  I put about 100mg into half of a gelcap and shoved it up there.  It's been about an hour but haven't felt anything yet?  Just a little burn.  I shot the first 100mg using a syringe but it didn't work out that great.  Maybe I needed more than 100MG?  Maybe I need to wait it out for another half hour or so but I thought with this method it takes less and hits you faster.  I haven't ate in about 7 hours. 
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: valondra on March 01, 2012, 07:01 am
Wow, 200mg? Have you had any prozac or benzos today?
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: respect on March 01, 2012, 07:03 am
... haven't felt anything yet?  Just a little burn.

Who'd you get it from?
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: tcobambientAgain on March 01, 2012, 07:06 am
Wow, 200mg? Have you had any prozac or benzos today?

I stopped prozac about 10 days ago I did have a Kpin this morning at like 7am so that should be out of my system. 
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: tcobambientAgain on March 01, 2012, 07:07 am
... haven't felt anything yet?  Just a little burn.

Who'd you get it from?

Honestly, with SR being down I can't remember who I got it from?  I'm pretty "bummed".  I was looking forward to a nice trip since Ive never done it before.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: tcobambientAgain on March 01, 2012, 07:11 am
It's been almost 2 hours so I don't think anything is gonna happen?  I think I may just rail the rest of my MXE (100mg) so I can have some kind of trip tonight.   Then I'm out of drugs until 2 grams of MXE I ordered from the UK arrive.  One was shipped on Saturday so I'm hoping it got on the santa claus express and will be here soon.  I hate the feeling of not having any drugs. 
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: valondra on March 01, 2012, 10:00 pm
sorry to hear that, who did you buy it from?
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: TheNewDude on March 01, 2012, 11:22 pm
Wow, 200mg? Have you had any prozac or benzos today?

I stopped prozac about 10 days ago I did have a Kpin this morning at like 7am so that should be out of my system.

Prozac can fuck with you for a long time, depending on how long you were on it.

And Klonopin has a really long half life. (48 hours or so...)

Both of those would be detrimental to a successful roll. I would have to assume that is what caused you to not feel anything. (still kind of odd)

Or you got some rice flower instead of MDMA.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: tcobambientAgain on March 02, 2012, 04:30 am
Ah.  I was on Prozac since 1996 so there's probably a nice little build up in my system.  I would think the Kpin would have been out of my system though after about 18 hours.  Or of course it could have just been not very good stuff.  I think I may go back in a few months and try it again and see how it goes.  Also, I'm 6'2, 230 pounds so maybe it just wasn't enough to hit me at my size.  I know there are certain drugs where I have to take more than normal. 
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: l1llykins on March 02, 2012, 05:50 am
230 pounds

Erowid estimates your average range to be around 2mg/kilo which would be 209mg for you.

Give it a good month before trying again, and try to stay off benzos for a few days before rolling with molly.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: tcobambientAgain on March 02, 2012, 06:22 am
Cool thanks!  I had insomnia and finally decided to take a Kpin at like 7am to get to sleep.  I will keep away from them the next time I decide to give MDMA a go. 
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: 2xT4eB on March 02, 2012, 07:01 am
Well, fuck me.  I didn't know about the prozac interaction--I take 60 mg a day.  Do all antidepressants have the same effect on your roll?

Man, what do I tell my psychiatrist?
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: l1llykins on March 04, 2012, 01:50 am
Well, fuck me.  I didn't know about the prozac interaction--I take 60 mg a day.  Do all antidepressants have the same effect on your roll?

Man, what do I tell my psychiatrist?

Check Erowid for a list of antidepressants that can "cancel out" mdma affects.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: OG1973 on July 01, 2012, 05:31 am
Gonna give this a shot via the dissolve in water, put in syringe method of insertion. Seems like the way to go for a nice pleasant high without getting any nausea in the stomach which occasionally i get.

Now the only real worry i have with this is i may get the urge to take a dump, which can happen from time to time. So as long as i can hold that off then this method looks like it's got the green light for a success ride  8)

Also general consensus is only a small amount of water needed, 2-5 ml ? And the only type of syringe i have is ones you get in baby's nurofen and panadol, i assume this would work fine?

Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: Gibbroni on July 01, 2012, 02:45 pm
Yeah, ssri's are known to completely block the desirable effects of mdma. Whatever ROA, that's the problem right there. Months of abstinence may do the trick, if that's possible that is. My GF is on snri's and has expressed interest recently in trying MDMA, which I would LOVE to do with her. It saddens me that I can't.... She says that it's still worth a try, but due to everything i've read on the interactions, it just isn't even worth losing the molly to attempt, because I know it's not gonna do anything.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: LeftCrtl on July 01, 2012, 06:23 pm
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Should plugging dosage be less than you would take orally?
YEAH, it's a lot stronger like that.
Usually it's advised you keep it to 1/3 and oral dose (and even then some say that's high)

Out of curiosity could a woman take a low dose vaginally (I know some drugs are administered that way)

I'm not entirely sure but I know they can consume alcohol this way. I have heard they can use a tampon that has been dipped in hard alcohol to get drunk without having bad breath, or the risk of throwing up the alcohol you recently consumed.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: breathe on July 02, 2012, 04:35 am
I've only plugged opiates before and it seems to hit harder but with a reduced duration
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: Joebelowme on July 02, 2012, 04:53 am
Yeah, ssri's are known to completely block the desirable effects of mdma. Whatever ROA, that's the problem right there. Months of abstinence may do the trick, if that's possible that is. My GF is on snri's and has expressed interest recently in trying MDMA, which I would LOVE to do with her. It saddens me that I can't.... She says that it's still worth a try, but due to everything i've read on the interactions, it just isn't even worth losing the molly to attempt, because I know it's not gonna do anything.

I tried it on SSRI's and it did nothing, I quit SSRI's and two months later it still didn't work. It's been 6 months now but I'm reluctant to waste my bitcoins on a third try.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: advanced motion on July 02, 2012, 10:44 pm
I can speak from experience that from only using escitalopram (Cipralex) for about 9 months ( at 10mg & then 20mg doses daily) that even after 4 weeks I couldn't completely feel the effects of an mdma roll. I'm trying again the third week of July at an outdoor, and that will have been at least 3 full months plus from the last time I was on the SSRI.

I am concerned that the habitual use of cocaine has been detrimental. I've been experimenting with loading regimens and that is still a work in progress. Abstaining is doubtful st this point.

One last thing: your set/setting have a major impact, don't forget. I always have the most fun the more that's going on. Music events for me are the best. Somewhere you know a lot of people (or go as a group), and there are a lot of strangers you can meet. Somewhere with an open/accept everyone type of place/event.
Title: Re: Plugging MDMA
Post by: Locrian on July 05, 2012, 10:05 pm
One last thing: your set/setting have a major impact, don't forget. I always have the most fun the more that's going on. Music events for me are the best. Somewhere you know a lot of people (or go as a group), and there are a lot of strangers you can meet. Somewhere with an open/accept everyone type of place/event.

Even so, setting still won't have as much effect on your roll as an SSRI.  That is, you can't not roll just because you were in an undesirable setting.  I dunno if that's what you're implying, but I've heard so many people say exactly that, that it just grates on me.  I've rolled at concerts, at home, at work, out for drinks, walking around downtown, and even while riding for hours in car.  I've rolled by myself, with my girl, with a few friends, with a LOT of friends and strangers, and with coworkers who had no clue.  It really never made much difference for me in the intensity of the experience.  Quality MDMA is not going to be held back by something that trivial.  Some activities and places are going to be more enjoyable than others, most definitely, but no matter where you go, you should be rolling tits.