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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: samesamebutdifferent on 09 February 2013, 00:54:33
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For some time now I have been trying to draw attention in the forums
to improved shipping and stealth standards that if used correctly
actually BEAT canine detection, yes that's right dog proof!
Well I
hear you say, surely if there is a CHEAP and EASY option then why are
not all vendors using these methods and you know what I cannot fathom
why they are not either.
>>> WAKE UP CALL --- FOOD GRADE PE VAC SEALING IS VAPOR PERMEABLE AND DETECTABLE IN FIFTEEN MINUTES <<<
Even
triple sealing permeates in a few days so clearly when shipping to
countries like Australia when items can be in transit for anything up to
20+ days vendors need to up their game and improve their standards.
So
what is the answer? well happily there are a number of options
available right now, in fact some vendors on SR are already selling
them, see the links below:
PlutoPete
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/3e10560aef
Quality4All
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/f05b9427cd
All you need to know are:
* MBB - moisture barrier bags
* Mylar bags
* Heat seal foil bags
Some sources for these products I have found previously posted by vendor FarmerBob are listed below (CLEAR NET):
http://www.qsource.com/s-40-3m-scc-dri-shield-3000-moisture-barrier-bags.aspx
(large bags $100 - 100 pack) You can cut/seal 2 or three small
bags from each large bag.
http://www.qsource.com/s-39-3m-scc-dri-shield-2000-moisture-barrier-bags.aspx
(the 3.6 mil bags are OK, cheaper, smaller, $13 per hundred)
Alternate suppliers:
http://www.moisturebarrierbags.com/index.html
http://texastechnologies.com/moisture-control/moisture-barrier-bag/dri-shield-3000.htm
It
has also been brought to my attention that caution should be exercised
when sourcing these materials to ensure the sale cannot be traced back
to you
Discussion on this topic has been going on for several months across several other threads, for anyone interested please read:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=33755.0;topicseen
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=94730.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=95908.0
A
non permeable layer must be included, for example when shipping small
quantities of powders the layering can consist of a few variations, it
may be a good idea to dispense with the zip lock baggy as the zip can be
felt through the envelope. The use of double MBB cleaning each
thoroughly with isotropic alcohol to remove any particle traces is one
very effective method. The final stage must of course be done in a clean
environment to avoid transferring any particle residue to the outer
packaging, wear gloves and discard before completing this stage.
The
best stealth is sometimes the simplest, envelopes must be as flat as
possible with all the usual norms that make them blend into the
thousands of others going through the system. If an envelope is singled
out for extra attention it's gone, that usually only happens when a dog
reacts to it.
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VENDORS ALREADY USING THESE METHODS ARE LISTED BELOW
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Please note that the vendors listed below are done so solely on their
use of non permeable stealth packaging techniques as advised by the
vendor. No other factors have been considered at this time so you are
strongly encouraged to fully research any vendor before placing an order
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NW Nugz (get's first spot because they were the first to be listed)
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/6dec1f7750
Forum Review Page: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=116945.0
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4sale
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/4f6ee73a39
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Angel Eyes
Vendor Page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/2a8a111331
Forum review page: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=131843.0
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ashylarry
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/f85784d8b0
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BashfulBetty
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/4283a3a09e
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Best Dutch Drugs
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/1e693bb8b3
Forum review page: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?action=profile;u=54207
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Budworx UK
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/bd9b2bd948
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Bungee54
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/12c290570e
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Burning Babylon
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/bb9a215445
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caman
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/7adf039b37
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CannabisKing
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/49e60653d7
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Cork1Screw
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/11e4008097
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Countdown2013
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/a2af6de8b7
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Cyanspore
Vendor Page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/79c30e564a
Forum review page: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=137891.0
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DrCol
Vendor Page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/9c606585a7
Forum review page: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=162399.0
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Express Connect
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/e867ef394c
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farmer1
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/4d6b278a41
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ForeverJung
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/503d93d76d
Forum review page: dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=140870
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Ganja Man
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/8633f6fb24
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globalshipping
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/d842b8827e
Forum review page: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=31695.0
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Goldust
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/cff5ec83b8
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ItalianMafiaBrussels
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/57e4e49d72
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jerseycow
Vendor Page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/b8e2078ce1
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KingoftheTrill
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/501ad082ff
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Lloydsbrothers
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/7e623cc4ba
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Love
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/885c2e06ab
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MaidMandy
Vendor Page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/2c851dc401
Forum review page: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90329.0
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MainStay
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/449d4f916e
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MDUK
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/53909a1737
Forum review page: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=125682
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Mendohashman
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/a3e97805b2
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MedicalM
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/6f5e106996
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NorCalKing
(NCK) has been using these methods for 9 months and like their vendor
page states "Our shit doesn't stink, once we pack it!"
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/2877098b49
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NW Nugz
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/6dec1f7750
Forum review page: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=116945.0
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purptree4me
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/bfbdfedfb8
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PlutoPete
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/32fb08c984
The best packaging solution by far: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/3e10560aef
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Realdeals
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/11897f24a2
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rinran
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/84b3c02452
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reich
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/d1bc04e932
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SealTeam6
Vendor page:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/12a6b39cb9
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SimplyTheBest
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/1c67dc53ec
Forum review page: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=126593.0
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subtickle
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/aea5f26b5a
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Synthiotics
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/569df4e44b
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TheCompany
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/13ab57a20f
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WeBeWeedGirls
Vendor page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/448f6e9f5b
Review thread: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=162472.msg1155407
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White Shark
Vendor Page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/57099b533e
Forum review page: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=67348.30
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XXXotica
Vendor Page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/1610b34961
Review Thread: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=103388.0
FREE SAMPLE THREAD: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=132629.0
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HOW IS MAIL SORTED
When
planning your packaging, take into consideration this procedure which
is not specific to a particular country (only applies for letters not
parcels) -
1. Mail arrives into said country in a big sack containing hundreds/thousands of letters.
2.
If arriving from a "flagged" country it's directed to sorting area A in
which mail undergoes extra scrutiny, if from non-flagged country it's
directed to sorting area B for normal manual sorting.
3. At the
designated sorting area, all the mail is poured onto a sorting tray and
manually sorted, with the sorter removing anything that's oversize,
damaged or suspicious looking (again there would be guidelines the
sorters follow based on profiling and gathered intelligence). Over-sized
items are sent to the parcel area, damaged items are repaired or
destroyed and suspicious letters are inspected further (manual, x-ray or
dog)
4. Once manual sorting is done, the mail is sent down a
conveyor belt to the automatic sorting machine, while going down the
conveyor belt, a drug detection dog runs over all mail heading down and
alerts to letters containing whatever the dog is trained to find, these
are in turn removed for further inspection (manual or x-ray) the rest
carry on to the machine and are sent for distribution around the
country.
5. Any mail that can't be automatically sorted for
distribution (usually due to addresses in the wrong format, hand written
messily, too thick to fit etc) are manually sorted again.
So
using the above information, one case see that the risk areas are - the
country of origin, the initial manual sorter, the drug detection dog and
the final automatic sorting machine.
Country of Origin - The
intelligence on which particular countries the receiving country has
"flagged' isn't made publicly available but one could assume they
include - The Netherlands, Belgium, Colombia, Bolivia, Peru, China,
Vietnam, Thailand among others. As well as countries added based on
intelligence received and profiling.
Initial Mail Sorter - Has to
manually sort hundreds of letters at once, so make sure your letter
doesn't attract a second glimpse. Ensure you use a high quality
envelope, not a cheap one that's thin and soft and likely to tear.
Ensure it looks harmless and boring from the outside, and ensure it's as
thin as possible and packaged so the contents cannot be felt if handled
and so that if handled, it feels like paper inside, not a foil bag!
Drug
detection dog - USE MOISTURE BARRIER BAGS! PE and Foil layered are the
best, followed by PE and Mylar. You should be doing your packaging in a
clean environment because if any molecules from your product end up on
the outside of that bag or on the envelope, you've wasted your time and
it will be detected.
Final Automatic Sorting Machine - Make sure
the address is clearly readable and in the correct format for that
country. Make sure your envelope is of a standard size. (see the first
post of this thread for standard envelope sizes)
Use the above
information and create your letters how you wish, if you still get any
no-shows to a particular country, change what your letters look like
because your current ones have been photographed and added to a
database. This includes the return address and any identifiable logos
etc.
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HOW
TO ENSURE YOUR MAIL GOES THROUGH THE SORTING MACHINES WITHOUT NEEDING
TO BE SORTED MANUALLY BY ONE OF THOSE PESKY HUMANS (AU SPECIFIC)
The
info below is taken from the Australia Post guidelines for
international mail, and they're based around the specs required for mail
to go into the auto sorter machines, if a letter falls outside of these
guidelines, there's a much bigger chance it will end up being manually
sorted by a person. (when you receive a letter than doesn't have one of
those faint orange barcodes on it, it means its been manually sorted.
This doesn't apply to bulk mail that big companies send out to 1000's of
people though)
Recommended Envelope Sizes and Max Weight and thickness -
Small Letter -
DL 110 mm × 220 mm 125g max
C6 114 mm × 162 mm 125g max
No more than 5mm thick
Large Letter -
C5 162 mm × 229 mm 125g max
C4 324 mm × 229 mm 250g max
B4 353 mm × 250 mm 250g max
No more than 20mm thick
Envelope Quality - White 100gsm Paper
Address Font - Courier or Helvetica Font - 12 point or 10 pitch
It should contain no full stops or commas or other punctuation. You can use '/' but it's recommended not to.
There should be no advertising/logos etc near the address.
The street number should be 2 spaces away from the unit/suite number
The suburb and country should be in capitals
The post code should be 2 spaces away from the state
Characters should be between 2mm & 4mm tall
and between 0.3mm & 7mm wide
The space between lines from 1mm to 2.5mm
Address example -
John Smith
Suite 10 52 Silk Road
PORT HEADLAND WA 3001
AUSTRALIA
Some
of these things are going to the extreme and probably not necessary,
besides, the huge majority of orders make it without any issues anyway
but if you want perfection, this is where it's at.
Guideline
books (see these for the correct address layouts and where stamps,
addresses and logos etc should/shouldn't be placed. -
http://auspost.com.au/media/documents/letter-post-guide.pdf
http://auspost.com.au/media/documents/international-post-guide.pdf
Educational video about the mail process (clearnet) -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WumR2qpqP8
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***UPDATED 22nd FEB 13***
It's
great to see this picking up up some momentum and kudos to those
vendors who have already started to implement changes to their packaging
techniques, as I said previously it is a win win situation for both
vendors and buyers alike at no real extra cost.
I have been
giving a lot of thought as to how to motivate and support more vendors
to make the change as I do appreciate change processes generally don't
just happen without a catalyst which in the market place is custom
demand.
To help get the message out there I am now mentioning the
non use of a non permeable layer in all my feedback and reviews on the
forums. If everyone started to do that then it would really help to
raise vendors awareness as well as educating buyers.
I would
encourage everyone else to start doing the same, so lets see how that
goes for a few weeks because I have more ideas on how to push this
forward but they may not make me very popular ;-)
ssbd
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Nice Job... it's good to see the Mods providing content rich
information - this should be read by new seller as buyer safety &
security is paramount for us to grow our business
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nice post
+1
I hope many sellers will read this page!!!
Thx
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This should have been made the standard years ago. Whenever people
IRL talk about vacuum sealing and shipping bud I have to bite my tongue
and just roll my eyes.
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Thanks for the free advertising guys :)
As an extra incentive anyone mentioning this thread when ordering my foil will get 20% extra :)
Love and Sunshine
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Thanks for the free advertising guys :)
As an extra incentive anyone mentioning this thread when ordering my foil will get 20% extra :)
Love and Sunshine
Thanks
for helping the cause Pluto! if there are any other vendors offering
these services let me know and I will include links to their listings as
well, more the merrier!
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Great advice! Thankyou OP and constributors
IME I've bought
approx 90 orders mostly overses to the land of oz ranging from above
5g's to below in heat seal, vac seal, just in a normal bags and some
orders litteraly just in the envelope in nothing. I think it matters
more which vendor you choose to buy from! be carfeful and make educated
guesses, would love this community to flourish into a crazy online
marlet place almost every street-buyer gets their gear from (minus
fuckheads :))
mb
P.S no one tell fuckheads about thes road :)
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+1 for this very informative post samesamebutdifferent, keep up the great moderating :)
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+1 for this very informative post samesamebutdifferent, keep up the great moderating :)
Same.
I wish this was implemented in the sellers guide.
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If you want to know about stealth shipping read posts from FarmerBob.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?action=profile;u=13594
I see samesamebutdifferent reads them although forgets to credit him.
also
I figured i'd throw this in: for those who want some good MBBs if you
buy the 3M 100-packs online you can get a much better deal than buying
singles. The 3000 series is best, but even the 2000s are much much
better than any food-grade material. Dont forget to cut or punch
out the serial number.
http://www.qsource.com/s-40-3m-scc-dri-shield-3000-moisture-barrier-bags.aspx
(large bags $100 - 100 pack) You can cut/seal 2 or three small
bags fr
om each large bag.
http://www.qsource.com/s-39-3m-scc-dri-shield-2000-moisture-barrier-bags.aspx
(the 3.6 mil bags are OK, cheaper, smaller, $13 per hundred)
alternate suppliers:
http://www.moisturebarrierbags.com/index.html
http://texastechnologies.com/moisture-control/moisture-barrier-bag/dri-shield-3000.htm
Bob
Mylar
is not the same as MBB (watch out for compliance with standards !) and
you don't have to vaccum seal or use a zip baggy with it.
Great info on shipping within this quote.
Here are a few points of advice:
Metal films laminates are great, if you can see through the bag don't use it
try to stick with MIL-B-81705C orr EIA-583 Class 1 approved bagging
heat seal it
You don't have to vacuum it (vacuum doesn't matter at all from a diffusion perspective)
use no less than 5 mil thick bagging material (6mil is easy to find)
Test your bagging in a bucket of water (squeeze to make sure no leaks bubble out)
Clean the surface (dishwasher)
Use
packaging that has never been exposed to or even in the same house as
any drugs.... dogs can detect smells on the order of 500parts per
trillion, a single drop of sweat from someone who snorted coke a day
earlier is enough to set them off.
but if you do it right even the best dog on earth CANNOT smell through a good nylon/foil/PE laminated bag.
Good Luck
Bob
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good thread more people should be on the mylar n other types. their not bad price when you buy in bulk.
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I am not feeling as safe as before after reading this thread, please
vendors change! Atleast if you are a popular one with LOTS of
transactions.
- Thanks
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Thank you very much for this information. We now ship ALL orders, big or small, with mylar non-permeable bags.
It's soooo much better then vacuum sealing, which people already did since this whole mail drug trafficking began.
Some other precautions we take
- Make the mylar bag and letter as flat as possible.
- We only send out letters with nice printed addresses and return address.
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Nice graphic double cards so the mylar bag isn't feelable through the
letter. Not just wrapping products in paper, which is also outdated.
- Use different envelops/cards/return addresses.
Can't get anymore stealth then this.
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Up to the top! I've only seen one vendor i've delt with use the heat
foil huge bags. I think more vendors (especially from the netherlands)
need to practice these safer methods. I'm going to pm this to my mdma
guy hopefully he listens.
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Great Sticky!
Now I see why I'm the only one
posting over in the other thread (that was the sticky here). I have had
my head buried in that one for a couple days. I won't fill this thread
with my ramblings, but here is a link to the currently last page of that
thread if anyone is interested :
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=94730.180
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Nice information, but hey, can you also show me where i
purchase a machine that can vacuum seal those mentioned things, one that
doesnt costs a fortune?
All machines i found cost between 1000 and 2000 USD that vacuum seal mylar bags.
I
also want to implement these kinds of metal foil shipping into my
stealth, but a machine that does them costs like 1000 dollars while a PE
one costs 300 dollars.
Not really easy to afford as new vendor.
***Order stuff from me people so i can afford this shipping method*** :D
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You are not using vacuum for this.
Search for heat impulse sealers from TEW on eBay. Preferably 5mm seal width.
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+1 Great Thread!
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Nice
information, but hey, can you also show me where i purchase a
machine that can vacuum seal those mentioned things, one that doesnt
costs a fortune?
You are not using vacuum for this. Search for heat impulse sealers from TEW on eBay. Preferably 5mm seal width.
Didn't
I read you could use hair straighteners to seal these? Obviously not
good for the long term, but it could tide you over until you can afford a
machine...
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Nice
information, but hey, can you also show me where i purchase a
machine that can vacuum seal those mentioned things, one that doesnt
costs a fortune?
All machines i found cost between 1000 and 2000 USD that vacuum seal mylar bags.
I
also want to implement these kinds of metal foil shipping into my
stealth, but a machine that does them costs like 1000 dollars while a PE
one costs 300 dollars.
Not really easy to afford as new vendor.
***Order stuff from me people so i can afford this shipping method*** :D
As
the post below says you do not need to vacuum seal the Mylar bags, as I
stated in the OP you should vac seal once using normal methods then
clean it to remove all traces of residue before putting into the non
permeable layer. And yes I do believe hair straighteners can be used to
seal, have a look at PlutoPete's listing in the OP for details of their
system too.
Really pleased to see this getting some traction and interest, it is long overdue!
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No special equipment other than a pair of hair straighteners or a
domestic clothes iron are needed to seal my foil, don't waste money on a
sealer :)
Can I also remind any vendor thinking of ordering from
me to do so from a clean account not linked to their vendor account,
safety first :)
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Nice
information, but hey, can you also show me where i purchase a
machine that can vacuum seal those mentioned things, one that doesnt
costs a fortune?
All machines i found cost between 1000 and 2000 USD that vacuum seal mylar bags.
I
also want to implement these kinds of metal foil shipping into my
stealth, but a machine that does them costs like 1000 dollars while a PE
one costs 300 dollars.
Not really easy to afford as new vendor.
***Order stuff from me people so i can afford this shipping method*** :D
As
the post below says you do not need to vacuum seal the Mylar bags, as I
stated in the OP you should vac seal once using normal methods then
clean it to remove all traces of residue before putting into the non
permeable layer. And yes I do believe hair straighteners can be used to
seal, have a look at PlutoPete's listing in the OP for details of their
system too.
Really pleased to see this getting some traction and interest, it is long overdue!
Hmm
but it's a bit tricky, not vacuum sealing, since there's a chance the
air will make the package feel bubbly, not flat anymore...
Any solution for this?
About
the heat sealing thing, can you show me a (preferably european) site
where i can order such a thing, that doesnt cost a fortune? (100-200
euros is affordable)
And now i get it I think. So like 2x PE vacuum sealing, and then once mylar sealed bag, is good enough?
Thanks for helping me improve my shipping!!
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I believe it goes without saying, this thread is invaluable.
Now, can the other two threads mentioned in this thread, either:
a) be posted as a sticky
or
b) merged into this thread, as it is already a sticky.
I love learning on The Road. Better than college...and I learned A LOT in college.
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Nice
information, but hey, can you also show me where i purchase a
machine that can vacuum seal those mentioned things, one that doesnt
costs a fortune?
All machines i found cost between 1000 and 2000 USD that vacuum seal mylar bags.
I
also want to implement these kinds of metal foil shipping into my
stealth, but a machine that does them costs like 1000 dollars while a PE
one costs 300 dollars.
Not really easy to afford as new vendor.
***Order stuff from me people so i can afford this shipping method*** :D
As
the post below says you do not need to vacuum seal the Mylar bags, as I
stated in the OP you should vac seal once using normal methods then
clean it to remove all traces of residue before putting into the non
permeable layer. And yes I do believe hair straighteners can be used to
seal, have a look at PlutoPete's listing in the OP for details of their
system too.
Really pleased to see this getting some traction and interest, it is long overdue!
Hmm
but it's a bit tricky, not vacuum sealing, since there's a chance the
air will make the package feel bubbly, not flat anymore...
Any solution for this?
About
the heat sealing thing, can you show me a (preferably european) site
where i can order such a thing, that doesnt cost a fortune? (100-200
euros is affordable)
And now i get it I think. So like 2x PE vacuum sealing, and then once mylar sealed bag, is good enough?
Thanks for helping me improve my shipping!!
Have
another read of the first page IMB, you should still definitely
use at least one layer of vac seal, only the final layer needs to be non
permeable. Either that or use the Moisture Barrier Bags (MBB).
Some prices are listed on the first page of this thread too:
http://www.qsource.com/s-40-3m-scc-dri-shield-3000-moisture-barrier-bags.aspx
(large bags $100 - 100 pack) You can cut/seal 2 or three small
bags fr
om each large bag.
http://www.qsource.com/s-39-3m-scc-dri-shield-2000-moisture-barrier-bags.aspx
(the 3.6 mil bags are OK, cheaper, smaller, $13 per hundred)
Very affordable!!
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+1 scout. I've been preaching MBB's for the longest time to vendor's I do business with. Sadly, only one of them uses them.
scout? :P
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Vacuum-seal has been ancient for awhile. Especially on large orders,
vacuum-seal only on any type of bulk is crazy, im honestly surprised to
hear bulk is still getting shipped that way.
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I hope all vendors read this!!!
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This sticky is long overdue. When I was new and trying to build my
buyer stats, I got a pill from a vendor that was literally vac sealed
once and thrown inside an envelope, then into a priority envelope. Kind
of horrendous and this shit can't be tolerated by buyers. It's in the
sellers interest too to avoid packages from being intercepted anyway, I
don't see why the petition for a change in shipping standards is needing
this much effort.
I'd like to add and stress the fact that I
would understand totally if there was an all around increase in the
price of shipping. Most of us are risking varying levels of jail time,
and to pay an extra few bucks to lower the chance of getting caught
seems reasonable for me. I don't know how many other buyers are in
agreement, but if you are, I think you should speak up so vendors will
realize that they wont necessarily be losing money by investing in
better packaging materials.
EDIT: O yea, +1 samesame for making this a sticky
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I'd
like to add and stress the fact that I would understand totally if
there was an all around increase in the price of shipping. Most of us
are risking varying levels of jail time, and to pay an extra few bucks
to lower the chance of getting caught seems reasonable for me. I don't
know how many other buyers are in agreement, but if you are, I think you
should speak up so vendors will realize that they wont necessarily be
losing money by investing in better packaging materials.
Why do so many buyers want an increase in shipping costs?
Stealth
is no more expensive than vac seal bags and sealers, you don't need to
invest in expensive equipment, all I use is a pair of scissors and a
pair of hair straighteners :)
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Pluto - when using hair straighteners, how long do you need to apply the heat to the foil?
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Pluto - when using hair straighteners, how long do you need to apply the heat to the foil?
2 to 3 seconds, it's quick and easy :)
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Pluto - when using hair straighteners, how long do you need to apply the heat to the foil?
2 to 3 seconds, it's quick and easy :)
I
hear on the grapevine that JesusOfRave (JOR) is getting on board with
the MBB options and creating a new ninja stealth option, great to hear!!
Any other vendors coming around to this idea?
I
will update the OP with a list of vendors who are adopting these
practices in the next week or so, lets see how many get on board.
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good thread more people should be on the mylar n other types. their not bad price when you buy in bulk.
Although
I'm not a vendor I do my share of buying. When it comes to price I have
no problem paying extra for secure shipping. There are vendors that
charge a ton for shipping and then the pack arrives with only 1 or 2 vac
seals and that's all. That kind of shit has to stop. There are also
vendors that charge for shipping and do such a good job it's even hard
for me to find, and I'm supposed to know what it is!
I've seen a few
vendors offer different levels of stealth at different price points,
like an upgrade. I wish more would offer that. It would be pretty easy
to set up. Standard shipping including 2-3x vac seals and minimal
stealth is X price. Upgrade to MBB or similiar X + Y. Upgrade Stealth X +
Y + Z. It's a bit more ambitious of a shipping model but it's a
start for vendors that are using outdated methods. Ultimately I'd like
to see everything I receive arrive in MBB's or it's equivalent. In the
meantime if I could at least have the option, at a premium or not, I'd
gladly take that.
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An approved stealth list is a top idea, vendors can add it to their listings :)
A couple of vendors have messaged me, but most vendors order from other accounts so I don't know who's buying from me :)
Can
I make a little point about Mylar, Mylar is a brand name and it is not
Heat Seal Foil, it is a stretched plastic film used in some foils and
the name is now wrongly used to describe most metallic plastics :)
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I'd
like to add and stress the fact that I would understand totally if
there was an all around increase in the price of shipping. Most of us
are risking varying levels of jail time, and to pay an extra few bucks
to lower the chance of getting caught seems reasonable for me. I don't
know how many other buyers are in agreement, but if you are, I think you
should speak up so vendors will realize that they wont necessarily be
losing money by investing in better packaging materials.
Why do so many buyers want an increase in shipping costs?
Stealth
is no more expensive than vac seal bags and sealers, you don't need to
invest in expensive equipment, all I use is a pair of scissors and a
pair of hair straighteners :)
I
don't WANT shipping prices to increase, I just wanted to make it clear
that I am more than willing to pay a premium for improved stealth if
necessary. I'm just desperate to get an "improved stealth bandwagon" on
the road....
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Just as "monrovia" said above me, I agree to the same fact.
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To incentivise this higher standard of shipping standard and stealth
I too would be willing to pay an extra premium for this level of
service to compensate the vendor for any additional time taken to
carefully package my order as per the guidelines specified in this
thread.
I am not looking to hike up shipping costs but I
appreciate change doesn't necessarily just happen and if this helps kick
start things then I'm comfortable with that.
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Great Post!
What about vacuum sealing then putting in the heat foil..?
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Great Post!
What about vacuum sealing then putting in the heat foil..?
Have a read of the OP iAmMe
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Hello all.
We will be adding this option for shipping of XTC and MDMA within the fortnight.
Thanks
for your efforts - all! And thank you to all of you within the
community who have taken the time to get in touch with us
compassionately to enter into dialogue about this.
We will announce in our thread when this shipping option has been added.
jor
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Hello all.
We will be adding this option for shipping of XTC and MDMA within the fortnight.
Thanks
for your efforts - all! And thank you to all of you within the
community who have taken the time to get in touch with us
compassionately to enter into dialogue about this.
We will announce in our thread when this shipping option has been added.
jor
Excellent news JOR! Great to see a top vendor like you getting on board.
As
previously stated I will update the OP with links to the listings of
vendors offering this level of service in the coming weeks as they
become available.
Any other vendors out there looking improve their packaging and stealth???
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Any other vendors out there looking improve their packaging and stealth???
I
think I have mentioned we are hot on the trail of making this
happen. The ordered MBB's have begun to arrive and we should be
using MBB on every pack within a couple days. This will be our minimum
stealth.
We plan to add higher stealth options as upgrades to
shipping for Oz+ packs. So far, these ideas are about adding items you
can purchase (to be shipped in your package) to help us make it all seem
more legit. Fragile things that need a lot of padding seem like a
favorite atm. Thrift stores and dollar stores may provide very
inexpensive items. There may be issues with larger/heavier packages
being harder to "drop off" though. USPS 12 oz limit for blue boxes is a
pain. I may be saying too much here? PM me if you think I should delete
some of this or want to comment specifics that ought not be on here.
We would also like to hear other ideas for higher than standard MBB stealth. PM if too specific or whatever.
NWN
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You did indeed, sorry for overlooking you Nugz!
PM me the link to your listings when they are up and I will add you to the OP list of vendors offering this service.
Anyone else???
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Ebay has a lot of MBB's by the way. Many levels of quality as well.
3+mil scc2000 and better ought to be our minimum here. There are a lot
of other sources than the known-to-be-good "3M Dri-Shield" (2000 and
3000). Brand name may be very important. Even the 3M scc 1000 I have
seen are rather transparent and thin. I think they are good for an extra
layer when mult-layering with better MBBs.
I wonder how
many bags have the same lot code on them. Are they spread around well or
sent to small areas? Might they be used for evil intent by ebay sellers
working against us...? The codes are near the middle so removing them:
Solvent?
cut-out and tape over hole with aluminum tape?
Cut up big bags and don't use that part.
Just thinking out load I guess, NWN
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i am interested.
ECC
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For the record, the samples I sent out were all are more than .25g and less than .40g
They
were a bit random as I was in a hurry to package. Also, half the
samples are dry powder, cuz I let the bags sit a day before vacuum
sealing them, and the other half are paste samples, cuz I vacuum sealed
immediately. Overall I am very unhappy with my vacuum sealing techniques
for these samples and plan to get a better method for increased
stealth. I expect them all to make it to their destinations though, or I
would not have sent any, I just know I can do better than that. I would
never send something that I thought would get caught. Ruining someone's
drop off address would defeat the purpose of me giving out free samples
for feedback >.>;
You may find this post useful: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=119458.0
damn...
shipping mushrooms is so much easier..... takes 3 days to a week to
detect that it's "magic" so they never check what it is, if they can't
figure it out they just destroy it. no one gets in trouble cuz they
can't determine that it's a drug...
time to buy more supplies for these other drugs... thanks :)
great to here this post being recommended on other threads
Kudos all around samebutdifferent, SS, and vendors like Foxcave involved in the silk road stealth revolution.
No real need to unnecessarily run the sniffers gauntlet...... Litmus test that burnt dogs nostrils..Is there ?
Do I hear an echo. Let's Vote with our Wallets .Let's Do This as Safely as practicable!
KNOWLEDGE IS USELESS UNLESS APPLIED
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Momentum is definitely starting to build... just keep talking to
your vendors and making them aware of this thread so they can see just
how simple a transition it would be to implement these packaging
methods.
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What a great thread! :) :)
Well done
Samesamebutdifferent. Thank you for informing us of the
ever-so-important need to be careful on our packaging.....and pointing
all and sundry to the correct and safest products to use.
I have started informing the Vendors of the information found in this thread.
I look forward to the day when all vendors use these products for their customers.
Again....well done samesaame!! :)
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Great thread SSBD :)
I agree with all you say: some excellent points and clearly said.
A vendor who uses this 3 bag method is ChemicalBrothers (for powders).
Those
who used shipping as a source prior to the SR boom will know that
inconspicuous is the way to go. However, I would point out that
dogs are not the only method of screening and I think (I can't provide
any immediate references, so perhaps s/o can clarify) that some
countries also use x-ray. Mylar would give a strong image and
packs could become an identifier? Given the cost to train up dogs,
I wouldn't be surprised if x-ray wasn't cheaper in some countries.
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Great thread SSBD :)
I agree with all you say: some excellent points and clearly said.
A vendor who uses this 3 bag method is ChemicalBrothers (for powders).
Those
who used shipping as a source prior to the SR boom will know that
inconspicuous is the way to go. However, I would point out that
dogs are not the only method of screening and I think (I can't provide
any immediate references, so perhaps s/o can clarify) that some
countries also use x-ray. Mylar would give a strong image and
packs could become an identifier? Given the cost to train up dogs,
I wouldn't be surprised if x-ray wasn't cheaper in some countries.
Uk
has automatic x-ray screening of outgoing mail now, to comply with the
new air freight regs that came in January, so they likely scan incoming
too.
Mylar and Heat seal foil is almost invisible on x-ray though, so no worries there :)
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Great thread SSBD :)
I agree with all you say: some excellent points and clearly said.
A vendor who uses this 3 bag method is ChemicalBrothers (for powders).
Those
who used shipping as a source prior to the SR boom will know that
inconspicuous is the way to go. However, I would point out that
dogs are not the only method of screening and I think (I can't provide
any immediate references, so perhaps s/o can clarify) that some
countries also use x-ray. Mylar would give a strong image and
packs could become an identifier? Given the cost to train up dogs,
I wouldn't be surprised if x-ray wasn't cheaper in some countries.
Uk
has automatic x-ray screening of outgoing mail now, to comply with the
new air freight regs that came in January, so they likely scan incoming
too.
Mylar and Heat seal foil is almost invisible on x-ray though, so no worries there :)
That is good to know PlutoPete, I have added you to the list of vendors on the OP now too.
I
suppose I should make it clear I am for the most part referring to
small shipments that are sent via standard letter mail and as I stated
in the OP standard letter mail is generally only ever singled out for
extra attention if a dog reacts to it, there is no way any country has
the resources to xray all letter mail.
I do not have the
knowledge to comment on larger shipments that require more ingenious
stealth packaging, I will leave that up to the vendors and keep those
discussions behind closed doors and off the forums. The methods proposed
in this thread should meet the needs of most buyers on here ordering
small quantities of powders from overseas vendors.
ssbd
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And the UK sends everything to the USA from europe right or do countries handle that themselves?
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And the UK sends everything to the USA from europe right or do countries handle that themselves?
[/quote:
WHAT??
Urm no mate, the UK is not the hub for all European mail.
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Oi idk why I thought I saw it somewhere must have been belgium mail
or something. I had a vendor from netherlands use mylar bags and xray
proof shit but its still sketching me out
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Oi
idk why I thought I saw it somewhere must have been belgium mail or
something. I had a vendor from netherlands use mylar bags and xray proof
shit but its still sketching me out
Trying
to make something xRay proof is another issue all in itself. I recently
had an issue with an order and when I spoke to the vendor they said
they used carbon paper to conceal the contents, as soon as they told me
that I felt like saying well you might as well have just written illegal
drugs inside please inspect me Mr custom person. All packages are
scanned entering AU, trying to conceal the contents like that guarantees
an inspection because is looks totally suss on the scanner.
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he said something about lead lmao
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he said something about lead lmao
FFS what were you ordering? Kryptonite?
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lmao no MDMA mate
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Woot!
First in the OP Listing :-)
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Woot!
First in the OP Listing :-)
Snooze you lose vendors, get on board and get listed and enjoy the free publicity ;)
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Can I just clarify, moisture barrier bags are sealed with a heat sealer, or hair straighteners, and not a vac sealer?
How are mylar bags sealed?
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Can I just clarify, moisture barrier bags are sealed with a heat sealer, or hair straighteners, and not a vac sealer?
How are mylar bags sealed?
MBB's are sealed using a vacuum sealer, if you have a look on YouTube there are plenty of video clips demonstrating the process.
Heat sealed foil bags are sealed as the name suggests with a heat sealer and/or hair straighteners.
Mylar is just a brand name for a certain type of packaging, if you want to know more I suggest you do some research on the net,
For those serious interested in the technical details re selecting MBB see info below:
BARRIER TECHNOLOGIES
There are 3 types of barrier bag technology currently in use:
• Foil/Polymer: The oldest and highest barrier technology. A thin sheet of aluminum foil (usually about .00035” thick) is
laminated to nylon or Tyvek for support and protection.
• Aluminized Polymer: This newer technology reduces material costs. Aluminum is vapour deposited onto polyester. As the
metal is so thin multiple layers of aluminized polyester are laminated together this way any voids in a layer are covered by
the next.
• Engineered Polymer: Clear plastics that do not use metallic layers provide limited moisture protection and are primarily used
for food packaging. In the electronics industry their use tend to be very short-term for dry storage and clean room situations.
Thes bags do not meet test standard requirements for MIL-B-81705C.
MOISTURE BARRIER BAG STRUCTURES
Nylon/Foil/Poly
Typically, this structure consists of a 60 gauge nylon laminated to 0.00035 aluminum foil, which is laminated to heat sealable
polyethylene. This is the most common foil/polymer laminate. MVTR for this structure, when properly converted into bags is
very low at about 0.0005 g/100in2/24hrs(1).
Tyvek™/Foil/Poly
A structure consisting of Tyvek, laminated to 0.00035 aluminum foil, which is laminated to heat sealable polyethylene. Tyvek
Foil is the oldest barrier structure, however has gradually been replaced by nylon/foil or metallized polyester structures. MVTR
for this structure, when properly converted into bags is very low at about 0.0005 g/100in2/24hrs(1).
Aluminized Polyester/Poly
This is the newest technology for barrier materials with a structure consisting of two layers of 48 gauge-aluminized polyester
laminated to sealable polyethylene. These bags are generally lower in cost and have become are a big success with medium
to short term dry packaging users. For 3.6 mil materials, MVTR is about 0.02 g/100in2/24hrs*. Structures that are 7.0 mils thick
can achieve 0.005 g/100in2/24hrs(1).
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anyone know how to beat X-ray? in a non sus way
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anyone know how to beat X-ray? in a non sus way
If
you have a significant space in a package that x-rays can't see into,
that will be suspicious on it's own. I hear there are containers
designed to protect photographers film that are available. I don't know
how big they are. If big, I would think they would be very suspect. If
you were a well respected artist working in the "lead sculpture" medium,
maybe that could work? Such artists are very rare and probably dying of
lead poisoning. lol.
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Well, for what it's worth - I've had 1/4 oz of cannabis in one of
FarmerBob's MBBs (thank you, FarmerBob!) and subjected the MBB to
significant thermal stress and a fair bit of rattling about, then let it
sit in a warm room temp area for over a month, then brought it to the
pet for a blinded sniff test.
After about two months (TWO.
Months.) total, the (pet, not police) dog can't select the MBB
containing cannabis from any other MBB, on multiple trials. NO interest
whatsoever. (The dog also can't select the MBB selecting Snausage-type
treats for 2 months+ from any other MBB. So I do now know how to keep
dog treats safe in my car.)
Said dog can reliably select smaller
amounts of cannabis, with me as the blinded handler, in food-grade
vacpack inside a box. I'm not going into times; my job is not to inform
LE about how long they can justify holding Express (or Priority) Mail.
Now.
This is not a K9. But this is a dog who can reliably find a baby-sock
in a field when we're blinded to whether or not it's there. Not the best
dog ever for this kind of thing, but adequate.
So - unless
you guys want to learn canning or tinning (that does defeat the dog, by
the way, I've tried that) - go to the MBBs. If you can't think of
credible reasons to ship something in a shiny metallic bag, may I
recommend a trip to your local grocer/mega-mart for inspiration?
Buyers: require them. Start asking. Want to see the standard go up? Ask for it to rise.
For cannabis, cocaine, heroin, opium, methamphetamine, MDMA - MBBs should be a basic standard of vending.
May
as well start using them across the board, though. For one thing,
they give you the possibility of sealing things early; they appear to
keep product in good condition. Home Ec 101.
They don't protect
against a false-hit or a cued hit. If your package has been profiled,
and the dog is subconsciously/consciously cued to alert, then the dog
may alert.
But they can protect you - if used with appropriate technique - against a true hit.
That's all from the Home Ec/Veterinary Behavioral Science department. I should get new hobbies.
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Great post thank you thyme +1
The more buyers that request these methods from their vendors and buy from those that do will help promote the change over.
As
I said the other day buyers should also start mentioned the non use of
these methods in their feedback, both on the forums and on the main
site.
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It's been said before but gotta say, great thread SSBD!
Been
pointing a few of my vendors in the direction of this thread. Some are
very thankful and some just ignore. If only they realised that these
methods are better for EVERYONE.
Hopefully this will revolutionise stealth packaging as we know it!
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2 months and your dog still can't smell it?
And most vendors are still not using it.
My blind, deaf, lame dog learns tricks faster.
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are EST anti-static bags acceptable or only moisture barrier?
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Anti-static bags would be great to counter any-type of LE bugs placed in packages to detect opening/trace packages
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First page updated.
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Just a quick note, to say that we will be offering upgraded stealth within the next 10 days....
All currently listings go out in minimum of vac pac, with a second layer of foil (MDMA).
Thanks for the work you're all doing.
jor
***we'll confirm when we have implemented the addition of MBB***
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Just a quick note, to say that we will be offering upgraded stealth within the next 10 days....
All currently listings go out in minimum of vac pac, with a second layer of foil (MDMA).
Thanks for the work you're all doing.
jor
***we'll confirm when we have implemented the addition of MBB***
JOR that is bloody excellent news! as soon as you have implemented the new methods I will add you to the OP listings mate.
Bungee54 is also in the process of making the change over and will be using the new methods in approx two weeks.
The
writing is on the wall, the change is happening and for those vendors
who don't your buyers will be taking their business elsewhere in future
as already there are choices available. This isn't going to go away so
I'd really encourage all vendors to give this some serious consideration
now before you start to loose business.
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We too will be offering an upgraded stealth option in our listings soon after we fully re-open next week.
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We too will be offering an upgraded stealth option in our listings soon after we fully re-open next week.
Upgraded
stealth using the methods described in this thread? If so just let me
know when you have the new methods implemented and I will add you to the
OP listing.
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We too will be offering an upgraded stealth option in our listings soon after we fully re-open next week.
Upgraded
stealth using the methods described in this thread? If so just let me
know when you have the new methods implemented and I will add you to the
OP listing.
Yes,
the upgraded stealth option will mean heat sealed foil or a mylar bag
on the outer layer on top of the standard minimum double vacuum seal. We
will contact you when ready. :)
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We too will be offering an upgraded stealth option in our listings soon after we fully re-open next week.
Upgraded
stealth using the methods described in this thread? If so just let me
know when you have the new methods implemented and I will add you to the
OP listing.
Yes,
the upgraded stealth option will mean heat sealed foil or a mylar bag
on the outer layer on top of the standard minimum double vacuum seal. We
will contact you when ready. :)
Fantastic :)
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Hi all, just no saw this thread.
i have been using some myler/aluminum bags for at least 3 months now.
i use this for my powders:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Aluminum-foil-packaging-bag-Free-shipping-5cm-7cm-low-price-wholesale-500psc/505173176.html
and this for hash anf other bulky stuff:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/200pcs-15-22cm-Silver-Aluminum-Foil-Vacuum-Sealer-Bag-keep-Food-Fresh/627824384.html
Not sure how they compare to mbb but they work really good for this couple of months.
Not sure if i qualify to get my name on the 1st page....
PS: Can someone plus send me a link to a goodsupplier of mbb that ships to europe?
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Hi all, just no saw this thread.
i have been using some myler/aluminum bags for at least 3 months now.
i use this for my powders:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Aluminum-foil-packaging-bag-Free-shipping-5cm-7cm-low-price-wholesale-500psc/505173176.html
and this for hash anf other bulky stuff:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/200pcs-15-22cm-Silver-Aluminum-Foil-Vacuum-Sealer-Bag-keep-Food-Fresh/627824384.html
Not sure how they compare to mbb but they work really good for this couple of months.
Not sure if i qualify to get my name on the 1st page....
PS: Can someone plus send me a link to a goodsupplier of mbb that ships to europe?
If you are using non vapor permeable packaging techniques you qualify for the listing on the first page, will add you now.
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in b4 canines now trained to smell whatever material these bags are made out of
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in b4 canines now trained to smell whatever material these bags are made out of
interesting question and one that my friend and I were debating.
there
is not one unique specific material in "these bags," to my knowledge,
and used in too many other items (such as food product shipping -
coffee/candy/baked goods bags, electronics bags, MRE bags, etc.) MBBs,
Mylar, etc. aren't inherently illegal.
alerting to a legal item is
not a 'good search.' I'm too worn out to explain this right now- I bet
someone clever will come along --
- but, like alerting to paper, it's not a good reason to violate your pack...
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Has this thread been sent to all vendors yet? Unarguably the best
stealth a vendor can provide it to make the shipment as K9-proof as
possible. Visual stealth should be second to smell-stealth. The single
most biggest reason why shipments get caught is because of dogs.
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Heat foil is the BEST packaging you can get!!! As a vendor i ship
WORLDWIDE with this method and until now no issue what so ever ;D
;D Tough the prices for the packing in Holland is much more
cheaper than listed on SR :o
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are EST anti-static bags acceptable or only moisture barrier?
I'm
not sure what "EST" is, maybe a brand name? Just wanted to mention I am
pretty sure the 3M brand Dri-Seal 2000 and 3000 (sources mentioned in
related posts/threads) are SCC (anti-static) and MBB and a visual
barrier as well. I am sure there are suppliers that sell to the EU as 3M
is a mega corp and these things are often used by electronics
manufacturers. They do have a worrysome lot# and I'd suggest applying
something (a label?) to cover the bags safety warnings unless your
stealth includes a story that fits with those warnings.
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OP updated, please see new vendors added and advice on exercising
caution when purchasing non permeable packaging materials to ensure the
sale cannot be traced to you.
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OP
updated, please see new vendors added and advice on exercising caution
when purchasing non permeable packaging materials to ensure the sale
cannot be traced to you.
SSBD.....please excuse my French for the moment, but.....you're doing a fucken great job mate!!!!!
This
awareness campaign that you have started is the stone in the pond
causing a ripple that will touch all vendors and will hopefully lead to a
compulsory requirement by Silk Road for vendors to adhere to MBB's for
everyone's safety.
So your efforts and your time in this community are, indeed, well noticed.
Good work.
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OP
updated, please see new vendors added and advice on exercising caution
when purchasing non permeable packaging materials to ensure the sale
cannot be traced to you.
SSBD.....please excuse my French for the moment, but.....you're doing a fucken great job mate!!!!!
This
awareness campaign that you have started is the stone in the pond
causing a ripple that will touch all vendors and will hopefully lead to a
compulsory requirement by Silk Road for vendors to adhere to MBB's for
everyone's safety.
So your efforts and your time in this community are, indeed, well noticed.
Good work.
Thanks mate, that would be vous faites un grand compagnon du travail de fucken then ;)
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I'm using heat-seal aluminium MBBs for all my listings, any chance I can get added to the OP?
Also,
interesting guidance on the Australian customs automatic sorting
machines. Presumably they don't x-ray small letters that pass right
through those machines...
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+1 for this very informative post samesamebutdifferent, keep up the great moderating :)
Same.
I wish this was implemented in the sellers guide.
I
agree with you there. I hate vendors that act cavalier about shipping.
Had one tell me "Give me a break." Needless to say I did not buy.
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I'm using heat-seal aluminium MBBs for all my listings, any chance I can get added to the OP?
Also,
interesting guidance on the Australian customs automatic sorting
machines. Presumably they don't x-ray small letters that pass right
through those machines...
I will add you to the op listings MDUK.
Re
your other question all international mail entering AU is screened
either by visual, canine or scanner inspection. As you rightly pointed
out standard letter mail is generally only ever singled out for extra
attention if it looks suspicious or a dog reacts to it. All small
packages do get scanned though so I'm led to believe.
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second time reading through this. all around really good input
and definitely deserves a read for all buyers/sellers. hopefully
not only knowing pertinent information, but making active change for all
members. buyers should be activly asking questions and sellers
informing/redirecting to this and other threads. this info is
likely to keep you safe. thinking back i cant believe i received
so many packages with basically sub-standard methods ie vac sealed or
none (same country). its great to hear that a particular seller
has great stealth on a review thread, but with so many new members and
an uneducated public- misinformation could turn an individual's life
upside down. packages cant be unshipped. all and all this
thread has made me rethink who to order from in the future and or pay a
little bit for the needed security. i use to believe vac sealed
was the beez knees and that if it was hidden out of eye it would be a
sure fire. -the more you know
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OP updated, more vendors using these methods now listed, great to see the list growing daily now!!
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Brilliant.
I will now favour the Vendors in the OP listing at the start of this thread above other Vendors.
Vendors that go the extra mile with safety for their customers should be, in my opinion, rewarded with increased business.
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+1 for this very informative post samesamebutdifferent, keep up the great moderating :)
Same.
I wish this was implemented in the sellers guide.
I
agree with you there. I hate vendors that act cavalier about shipping.
Had one tell me "Give me a break." Needless to say I did not buy.
I
want to edit this comment. I don't hate the vendor I speak of I didn't
like the response. I buy other products from him that are very stealth,
qualityand I appreciate that.
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+1 for this very informative post samesamebutdifferent, keep up the great moderating :)
Same.
I wish this was implemented in the sellers guide.
I
agree with you there. I hate vendors that act cavalier about shipping.
Had one tell me "Give me a break." Needless to say I did not buy.
I
want to edit this comment. I don't hate the vendor I speak of I didn't
like the response. I buy other products from him that are very stealth,
qualityand I appreciate that.
Still, there's no reason to dismiss a client's stealth requests...
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Sorting machine rollers can make the rocks become pronounced through
the foil. Foil is strong as fuck and impossible for the rocks to breech
but can be felt through the packaging unless appropriate padding is
used.
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Sorting
machine rollers can make the rocks become pronounced through the foil.
Foil is strong as fuck and impossible for the rocks to breech but can be
felt through the packaging unless appropriate padding is used.
Currently I just pad with paper - thinking about picking up some very thin foam sheets to use those (+ some paper) instead.
I
end up with quite a thick letter, certainly more than 5mm, but you'd
really have to be feeling up the envelope before you realised there was
something inside :P
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+1 for this very informative post samesamebutdifferent, keep up the great moderating :)
Same.
I wish this was implemented in the sellers guide.
I
agree with you there. I hate vendors that act cavalier about shipping.
Had one tell me "Give me a break." Needless to say I did not buy.
I
want to edit this comment. I don't hate the vendor I speak of I didn't
like the response. I buy other products from him that are very stealth,
qualityand I appreciate that.
Still, there's no reason to dismiss a client's stealth requests...
Thanks
for that bro. You get a + from me :) I hate that I offended the guy, he
no longer wants to deal with me but Ive know more than my share of
busted friends receiving and yes the dogs did get past the vac seals on
one occasion at least. In my town LE is super fucked. On one occasion
they stole half the weed which helped my buddy get a lesser charge. This
was years ago long before SR during the road dog Dead tour years. These
days I am a professional with a business in a creative field with a
family who seeks cognitive and spiritual liberty that SR can offer the
intelligent. What a long strange trip.
Cali4nia Love just retired so
I am looking for a new and kind hearted Cannabis vendor. Yo C4L if you
see this much love to you bro! Best of luck.
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DutchTrade told me that they use double MBB-vac-sealing. So I think he qualifies?
"Hi mrmdma,
All packages will be vacuumed and sealed twice in moisture barrier bags.
Regards,
The DutchTrade Crew 1 day unread
delete
mrmdma Hello DT,
I just wanted to pop you a question and ask what kinds of bags do you use to vac seal your MDMA?
Do
you use mylar, foil or moisture barrier bags? I am looking for a new
German based MDMA vendor, but I need one that uses up-to-time packaging.
best regards,
MrMDMA"
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Sorting
machine rollers can make the rocks become pronounced through the foil.
Foil is strong as fuck and impossible for the rocks to breech but can be
felt through the packaging unless appropriate padding is used.
I
had an envelope come to me with the distinct imprint of a small ziplock
because there was only a sheet of notebook paper around it. The vendor
fixed this next go around. The sorters are dirty with ink and they will
make impressions.
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I find it hilarious how a bunch of so called hopeless drug addicts
have openly found a way to beat probably our toughest opponent in the
drug dogs. The media and LE must be cringing at this thread
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I
find it hilarious how a bunch of so called hopeless drug addicts have
openly found a way to beat probably our toughest opponent in the drug
dogs. The media and LE must be cringing at this thread
Drugs
dogs aren't as tough an opponent as the police like to make out - fact
is they can't work for very long before getting tired/bored/whatever and
they're eager to please the handlers, so they flag up a lot of false
positives.
The system is something like this:
1-Handler spots package/suitcase that they think is suspicious but needs probable cause to search it.
2-Gets dog, points dog at suitcase until dog gives the affirmative regardless of what's actually inside.
3-Probable cause granted, search goes ahead.
There was a study in Australia that found about 80% of their dog-based searches were false positives...
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I
find it hilarious how a bunch of so called hopeless drug addicts have
openly found a way to beat probably our toughest opponent in the drug
dogs. The media and LE must be cringing at this thread
Great innit bruv, I knew all those years at uni would pay off one day ;)
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Just got word the following vendors are going to be making to switch over to MBBs:
Lexq
MiMM
Bungee54
SpanishFly
Sukey
Thanks
to all of you who are pushing this with your vendors of choice, the
more people who make noise about this issue the better.
If anyone
has any doubts about this becoming the standard for all shipping from
now on the writing is on the wall, change up now or loose business.
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Hey SSBD,
What are the options for sealing the 3M MBBs? I am
going to talk to my vendor, and I want to make sure the process is
crystal clear for him.
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They seam to seal well with a normal heat sealer such as the kind on
vacuum packing units used for food storage. I turned up the heat
setting on mine a bit as they seem thicker and a bit tougher to melt
than regular food bags. If you read up on this, the vacuum part is
mostly for making the package smaller rather than keeping the smell in,
so, u dont really need a vacuum sealer. "Impulse sealers" I think they
are called come in various sizes and quality levels. It is suggested in
the discussions on the forum that the seal on the good ones is 5mm wide
or wider (if I remember the width correctly). I have seen some shipping
supply places carry them.
Aluminum tape has also been suggested as possibly smell proof.
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Hey SSBD,
What
are the options for sealing the 3M MBBs? I am going to talk to my
vendor, and I want to make sure the process is crystal clear for him.
Hair straighteners. An iron. Something that'll heat up to ~180 degrees C.
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Heres my short list of vendors currently using the Mylar foil vacuum bags.
CHEMICALSISTERS
SWANNEY
MAIDMANDY
TRIPSITTER
GIL
NORTHERNDANCER
I'm
waiting to hear back from another couple of vendors, LA FUENTE,
INTERWAYS and EMONKEY, and recently added COCAINE FLAKES. I've mentioned
these vendors for they were great to talk to and showed a lot of
interest.
Lets hope they use these Mylar bags, for we know success
rates will go up and stay up. I want to feel safe ordering an
8-ball of charlie. :P
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Heres my short list of vendors currently using the Mylar foil vacuum bags.
CHEMICALSISTERS
SWANNEY
MAIDMANDY
TRIPSITTER
GIL
NORTHERNDANCER
I'm
waiting to hear back from another couple of vendors, INTERWAYS and
EMONKEY. I've mentioned these two vendors for they were great to talk to
and showed a lot of interest.
But they know if they dont use them, i
simply wont be ordering, and nor will anyone else from far to reach
destinations/countrys. ;)
Good work jnemonic!! can you please ask those vendors to PM me and confirm whether or not they would like listing in the OP.
Thanks.
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Will do. Sending now...no wait....now....arrrgh NOW!!!
There we go.. :P
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Mylar bags coming soon! This will apply to marijuana and RSO but NOT
our RSO soaps, creams and other similar products as mylar protection is
simply not needed.
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Mylar
bags coming soon! This will apply to marijuana and RSO but NOT our RSO
soaps, creams and other similar products as mylar protection is simply
not needed.
For cannabis their perfect. At least you know its never going to smell, and piece of mind is gold. ;)
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DutchTrade http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/fdf185c644 Double vac seals in MBBs
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DutchTrade http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/fdf185c644 Double vac seals in MBBs
Wonderful news. .......thank you for sharing. +1 for you.
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DutchTrade http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/fdf185c644 Double vac seals in MBBs
Just noticed you dont send to australia even with the Mylar bags...was just about to bookmark.
Your Molly looks exactly like Mister m100's molly.
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What are the thoughts on stealth inside the pack?
I realize
95% of the time nothing is going to happen, but in the off chance they
open it up to take a look, would the stuff being inside a magazine or
something like that have any effect? I would think no since they
already went as far as to open it up, but still when I receive a package
that clearly has something the sender doesn't want you to see when you
open it, I always think to myself how hard is it to throw in some sort
of cover up?
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Iam going to use this method to . And probably going to sell the mylar bags to.
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What are the thoughts on stealth inside the pack?
I
realize 95% of the time nothing is going to happen, but in the off
chance they open it up to take a look, would the stuff being inside a
magazine or something like that have any effect? I would think no
since they already went as far as to open it up, but still when I
receive a package that clearly has something the sender doesn't want you
to see when you open it, I always think to myself how hard is it to
throw in some sort of cover up?
I
personally don't see the point, as opening a package is usually done
after its been x-rayed to confirm suspicious contents. An X-ray will
show the product every time unless its been disguised as a legal organic
substance.
And if you use some kind of X-ray defeating packaging
it will just show up as a black space which raises more suspicion than
anything and will guarantee closer inspection.
The trick is to
make your shipment look inconspicuous so it doesn't attract a second
look and sealed up so detection dogs don't alert to it (foil bags). It's
that simple.
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DutchTrade http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/fdf185c644 Double vac seals in MBBs
So happy to that you wrote that :)
I'm w8 11 grams mdma :) from Dutch Trade.
Will update if he using Mylar :)
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SSBD can you please add a link to this vendor -http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=133218.0
Cheers!
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What are the thoughts on stealth inside the pack?
I
realize 95% of the time nothing is going to happen, but in the off
chance they open it up to take a look, would the stuff being inside a
magazine or something like that have any effect? I would think no
since they already went as far as to open it up, but still when I
receive a package that clearly has something the sender doesn't want you
to see when you open it, I always think to myself how hard is it to
throw in some sort of cover up?
I
personally don't see the point, as opening a package is usually done
after its been x-rayed to confirm suspicious contents. An X-ray will
show the product every time unless its been disguised as a legal organic
substance.
And if you use some kind of X-ray defeating packaging
it will just show up as a black space which raises more suspicion than
anything and will guarantee closer inspection.
The trick is to
make your shipment look inconspicuous so it doesn't attract a second
look and sealed up so detection dogs don't alert to it (foil bags). It's
that simple.
Do any customs stop international letters for x-ray if they don't get flagged by dogs?
My
stealth letters basically just look & feel like they're thick with
printed paper. If you were to squeeze them all over you'd feel they
weren't totally uniform, but I can't see it being enough to alert
someone unless they were really looking for it.
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does anyone know where i can get a sealer for MBB's. I dont want to
use my iron, I'm a professional and my packaging needs to reflect that.
But i dont want to drop a shitload of money on it if possible.
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What are the thoughts on stealth inside the pack?
I
realize 95% of the time nothing is going to happen, but in the off
chance they open it up to take a look, would the stuff being inside a
magazine or something like that have any effect? I would think no
since they already went as far as to open it up, but still when I
receive a package that clearly has something the sender doesn't want you
to see when you open it, I always think to myself how hard is it to
throw in some sort of cover up?
I
personally don't see the point, as opening a package is usually done
after its been x-rayed to confirm suspicious contents. An X-ray will
show the product every time unless its been disguised as a legal organic
substance.
And if you use some kind of X-ray defeating packaging
it will just show up as a black space which raises more suspicion than
anything and will guarantee closer inspection.
The trick is to
make your shipment look inconspicuous so it doesn't attract a second
look and sealed up so detection dogs don't alert to it (foil bags). It's
that simple.
Do any customs stop international letters for x-ray if they don't get flagged by dogs?
My
stealth letters basically just look & feel like they're thick with
printed paper. If you were to squeeze them all over you'd feel they
weren't totally uniform, but I can't see it being enough to alert
someone unless they were really looking for it.
I've
had 4 of my stealth packages opened, out of many hundred shipped. They
were all salvia products in mbb's or foil pouches so they weren't
flagged by a dog. three of these packages were sent on without them
opening the foil pouch and checking the contents so my internal
packaging was obviously good enough to satisfy them. The fourth had the
foil pouch opened and resealed before being sent on, I assume in this
case they will have tested for cannabis and not salvia :)
If i was
shipping weed I would have lost one package, if i was shipping weed with
no internal stealth i would have lost 4 packages :)
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Do any customs stop international letters for x-ray if they don't get flagged by dogs?
My
stealth letters basically just look & feel like they're thick with
printed paper. If you were to squeeze them all over you'd feel they
weren't totally uniform, but I can't see it being enough to alert
someone unless they were really looking for it.
Without knowing how every customs operation works, I would have to say yes.
When
planning your packaging, take into consideration this procedure which
is not specific to a particular country (only applies for letters not
parcels) -
1. Mail arrives into said country in a big sack containing hundreds/thousands of letters.
2.
If arriving from a "flagged" country it's directed to sorting area A in
which mail undergoes extra scrutiny, if from non-flagged country it's
directed to sorting area B for normal manual sorting.
3. At the
designated sorting area, all the mail is poured onto a sorting tray and
manually sorted, with the sorter removing anything that's oversize,
damaged or suspicious looking (again there would be guidelines the
sorters follow based on profiling and gathered intelligence). Oversized
items are sent to the parcel area, damaged items are repaired or
destroyed and suspicious letters are inspected further (manual, x-ray or
dog)
4. Once manual sorting is done, the mail is sent down a
conveyor belt to the automatic sorting machine, while going down the
conveyor belt, a drug detection dog runs over all mail heading down and
alerts to letters containing whatever the dog is trained to find, these
are in turn removed for further inspection (manual or x-ray) the rest
carry on to the machine and are sent for distribution around the
country.
5. Any mail that can't be automatically sorted for
distribution (usually due to addresses in the wrong format, hand written
messily, too thick to fit etc) are manually sorted again.
So
using the above information, one case see that the risk areas are - the
country of origin, the initial manual sorter, the drug detection dog and
the final automatic sorting machine.
Country of Origin - The
intelligence on which particular countries the receiving country has
"flagged' isn't made publicly available but one could assume they
include - The Netherlands, Belgium, Colombia, Bolivia, Peru, China,
Vietnam, Thailand among others. As well as countries added based on
intelligence received and profiling.
Initial Mail Sorter - Has to
manually sort hundreds of letters at once, so make sure your letter
doesn't attract a second glimpse. Ensure you use a high quality
envelope, not a cheap one that's thin and soft and likely to tear.
Ensure it looks harmless and boring from the outside, and ensure it's as
thin as possible and packaged so the contents cannot be felt if handled
and so that if handled, it feels like paper inside, not a foil bag!
Drug
detection dog - USE MOISTURE BARRIER BAGS! PE and Foil layered are the
best, followed by PE and Mylar. You should be doing your packaging in a
clean environment because if any molecules from your product end up on
the outside of that bag or on the envelope, you've wasted your time and
it will be detected.
Final Automatic Sorting Machine - Make sure
the address is clearly readable and in the correct format for that
country. Make sure your envelope is of a standard size. (see the first
post of this thread for standard envelope sizes)
Use the above
information and create your letters how you wish, if you still get any
no-shows to a particular country, change what your letters look like
because your current ones have been photographed and added to a
database. This includes the return address and any identifiable logos
etc.
All the best.
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Subscribed to this very important topic
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Bumping to get in on this thread, good shit.
The only vendor I'v seen use those bags was Dr.Nyx, and he's long gone. His stealth was on par with Skyy
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Do any customs stop international letters for x-ray if they don't get flagged by dogs?
My
stealth letters basically just look & feel like they're thick with
printed paper. If you were to squeeze them all over you'd feel they
weren't totally uniform, but I can't see it being enough to alert
someone unless they were really looking for it.
Without knowing how every customs operation works, I would have to say yes.
When
planning your packaging, take into consideration this procedure which
is not specific to a particular country (only applies for letters not
parcels) -
1. Mail arrives into said country in a big sack containing hundreds/thousands of letters.
2.
If arriving from a "flagged" country it's directed to sorting area A in
which mail undergoes extra scrutiny, if from non-flagged country it's
directed to sorting area B for normal manual sorting.
3. At the
designated sorting area, all the mail is poured onto a sorting tray and
manually sorted, with the sorter removing anything that's oversize,
damaged or suspicious looking (again there would be guidelines the
sorters follow based on profiling and gathered intelligence). Oversized
items are sent to the parcel area, damaged items are repaired or
destroyed and suspicious letters are inspected further (manual, x-ray or
dog)
4. Once manual sorting is done, the mail is sent down a
conveyor belt to the automatic sorting machine, while going down the
conveyor belt, a drug detection dog runs over all mail heading down and
alerts to letters containing whatever the dog is trained to find, these
are in turn removed for further inspection (manual or x-ray) the rest
carry on to the machine and are sent for distribution around the
country.
5. Any mail that can't be automatically sorted for
distribution (usually due to addresses in the wrong format, hand written
messily, too thick to fit etc) are manually sorted again.
So
using the above information, one case see that the risk areas are - the
country of origin, the initial manual sorter, the drug detection dog and
the final automatic sorting machine.
Country of Origin - The
intelligence on which particular countries the receiving country has
"flagged' isn't made publicly available but one could assume they
include - The Netherlands, Belgium, Colombia, Bolivia, Peru, China,
Vietnam, Thailand among others. As well as countries added based on
intelligence received and profiling.
Initial Mail Sorter - Has to
manually sort hundreds of letters at once, so make sure your letter
doesn't attract a second glimpse. Ensure you use a high quality
envelope, not a cheap one that's thin and soft and likely to tear.
Ensure it looks harmless and boring from the outside, and ensure it's as
thin as possible and packaged so the contents cannot be felt if handled
and so that if handled, it feels like paper inside, not a foil bag!
Drug
detection dog - USE MOISTURE BARRIER BAGS! PE and Foil layered are the
best, followed by PE and Mylar. You should be doing your packaging in a
clean environment because if any molecules from your product end up on
the outside of that bag or on the envelope, you've wasted your time and
it will be detected.
Final Automatic Sorting Machine - Make sure
the address is clearly readable and in the correct format for that
country. Make sure your envelope is of a standard size. (see the first
post of this thread for standard envelope sizes)
Use the above
information and create your letters how you wish, if you still get any
no-shows to a particular country, change what your letters look like
because your current ones have been photographed and added to a
database. This includes the return address and any identifiable logos
etc.
All the best.
Mate, excellent contribution! thank you :)
Will copy and paste this info into the OP so it doesn't get lost in this growing thread.
+1
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LionwareTradingCo, and Hookers n Blow uses MBB and Mylar bags, and
has amazing stealth. I'm not sure if these vendors have been mention
before, but I just thought their packaging was perfect. Not only that
LTC's stealth is prolly the most cost efficient method as well :)
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Hmmm, I wonder if freebase MDMA would smell any different to a dog than regular MDMA ;)
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So are 3M's Dri-Shield 3000 and Dri-Shield 2700 the best available
for this purpose? I'm looking for the best of the best available
for shipping items Domestic. I'm thinking Vacuum Sealed,
Washed/Dried, 2nd Vacuum Seal (Washed/Dried), then followed by a
Dri-Shield 2700. Would this be the absolute best way to go?
My goal is to make it scent-proof to dogs as well as not
looking/feeling suspicious in any way. I doubt they will X-Ray a
Domestic USPS Priority pack without a serious suspicion....am I
right? Input would be great....thanks...great thread:)
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So
are 3M's Dri-Shield 3000 and Dri-Shield 2700 the best available for
this purpose? I'm looking for the best of the best available for
shipping items Domestic. I'm thinking Vacuum Sealed, Washed/Dried,
2nd Vacuum Seal (Washed/Dried), then followed by a Dri-Shield
2700. Would this be the absolute best way to go? My
goal is to make it scent-proof to dogs as well as not looking/feeling
suspicious in any way. I doubt they will X-Ray a Domestic USPS
Priority pack without a serious suspicion....am I right? Input
would be great....thanks...great thread:)
After
you've double-vac-sealed and washed both times you're unlikely to come
across issues with just about any heat-seal foil bags you can come
across ;)
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does
anyone know where i can get a sealer for MBB's. I dont want to use my
iron, I'm a professional and my packaging needs to reflect that. But i
dont want to drop a shitload of money on it if possible.
Hair straighteners do a really pro job, easily as good as the £500 sealers :)
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does
anyone know where i can get a sealer for MBB's. I dont want to use my
iron, I'm a professional and my packaging needs to reflect that. But i
dont want to drop a shitload of money on it if possible.
Hair straighteners do a really pro job, easily as good as the £500 sealers :)
Hair straighteners... Genius!
Thanks, good one PP
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Great! picking up my hair straightener today or tomorrow at the
latest. I will also be ordering my MBB's later this week so expect my
new super stealth packaging very soon. Thanks for the tips on keeping us
all safer.
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Well, fuck.
I thought I had another pack of MBBs around here somewhere and now I'm going to run out ::)
Guess I'll be suspending sales at some point this week for a bit :-\
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Hi SR members,
I am a vendor selling EZ-tests and currently also MBB's (moisture barrier bags) for safe shipping.
PET/Alu/PE multilayered barrier sealable bags are much safer than plain HDPE!
Check it out:
Listings:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/8b1720dd0c
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/541023413d
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/b344512793
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/6c309e6886
Q4A
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Hi SR members,
I am a vendor selling EZ-tests and currently also MBB's (moisture barrier bags) for safe shipping.
PET/Alu/PE multilayered barrier sealable bags are much safer than plain HDPE!
Check it out:
Listings:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/8b1720dd0c
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/541023413d
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/b344512793
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/6c309e6886
Q4A
Fantastic!
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Hi SR members,
I am a vendor selling EZ-tests and currently also MBB's (moisture barrier bags) for safe shipping.
PET/Alu/PE multilayered barrier sealable bags are much safer than plain HDPE!
Check it out:
Listings:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/8b1720dd0c
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/541023413d
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/b344512793
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/6c309e6886
Q4A
Nice - these are the same bags as I use :P
I might start offering them UK domestic for the sake of cheap postage...
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Wow awesome thread thanks. Despite a 100% success rate I am going to
upgrade to this shipping option! Ordered some mylar; once it arrives
will be upgrading my stealth.
Thanks for the info again.
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Would this be a good idea?
Contraband in zip lock->place into MBB & heat seal-> Dishwasher & dry->another MBB layer->Dry->Ship
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Great idea, but i would put zip-lock into standard vac seal, then that into the Mylar bag.
Like the dishwasher idea, wont be affected by heat at all? Being a foil bag it should be ok.
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Would this be a good idea?
Contraband in zip lock->place into MBB & heat seal-> Dishwasher & dry->another MBB layer->Dry->Ship
In all honesty, it's great if you want to be ultra careful, but unnecessary as a single MBB will do just fine.
So
go zip lock > Sealed MBB > wash & dry and you'll save a good
10 mins per package which can then be spent on turning the rest of the
packaging into works of art (the address and envelope etc)
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Yup, just make sure you clean the outside of the MBB, mylar with isopropyl alcohol to remove any traces of drug residue.
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OP updated, please welcome Budworx UK to the ever growing list of vendors using these methods.
No excuses now - this must become the default standard for all o/s shipping.
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OP updated, please welcome Budworx UK to the ever growing list of vendors using these methods.
No excuses now - this must become the default standard for all o/s shipping.
We
have been using Mylar for around a month, as well as isopropyl alcohol
rubs in between layers. There really is no excuse not to!
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/4f6ee73a39
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OP updated, please welcome Budworx UK to the ever growing list of vendors using these methods.
No excuses now - this must become the default standard for all o/s shipping.
We
have been using Mylar for around a month, as well as isopropyl alcohol
rubs in between layers. There really is no excuse not to!
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/4f6ee73a39
Will add you to the OP listing mracid/4sale! great to see another vendor come on board.
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SSBD How do I get about getting on your list when my mylar arrives?
Also does anyone know if a vacuum seal is able to seal the mylar or is
it not strong enough? From what I read it seems it is not strong enough
but havent seen it answered directly in this thread.
Thanks again mate for keeping it safe!
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SSBD
How do I get about getting on your list when my mylar arrives? Also
does anyone know if a vacuum seal is able to seal the mylar or is it not
strong enough? From what I read it seems it is not strong enough but
havent seen it answered directly in this thread.
Thanks again mate for keeping it safe!
Post here or pm me mate, simple :)
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Thank you for the valued information. 8)
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In an effort to protect the safety of my customers and myself I am
now shipping every order of my Premium Cocaine using Moisture Barrier
Bags. I'd like to thank those members on the forum that brought this
superior technology to my attention and helped me with my questions.
Check
out my vendor page for all my listings of Premium Cocaine and be on the
look out for International Shipping being made available in the near
future.
Safe Travels.
-TGX
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We
have been using Mylar for around a month, as well as isopropyl alcohol
rubs in between layers. There really is no excuse not to!
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/4f6ee73a39
Mylar or not, too bad you are a selective scammer.
0 out of 2 packages arrived... and all messages ignored.
Do not order if you are buying internationally.
Your rating speaks for it self, at a now low (88)
In
other news, upon speaking to golddust about using M.B.B, he has taken
on the advice and already put it into action, which is quite impressive.
Told him To pm you ssbd/post in here soon.
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In
an effort to protect the safety of my customers and myself I am now
shipping every order of my Premium Cocaine using Moisture Barrier Bags.
I'd like to thank those members on the forum that brought this superior
technology to my attention and helped me with my questions.
Check
out my vendor page for all my listings of Premium Cocaine and be on the
look out for International Shipping being made available in the near
future.
Safe Travels.
-TGX
Great news TGX.
It's
wonderful to hear about vendors upping their stealth to include MBB's.
Obviously this will decrease refunds and re-ships.....a win-win
situation.
Once your considering going international, pop over to the Australian Buyers thread in this forum and introduce yourself.
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Simply to further protect our customers we also have introduced
mylar bags (3.5mm - 7.0mm) from today onwards as a standard on all
cannabis bud orders.
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Simply
to further protect our customers we also have introduced mylar bags
(3.5mm - 7.0mm) from today onwards as an optional extra on top of our
current packaging. Listings being updated throughout the day to include
this new shipping option.
Well done...!!!
+1 to you too!
It's great to see vendors doing this!!!!!!!
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This is great news, its protecting us and our drops. I recently lost
a drop because the last vendor didnt even vac seal let alone MBB's.
So i'm all for it, and for the first time, i'm confident in ordering a little larger than usual... :P
Thank you again vendors. ;)
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...
does anyone know if a vacuum seal is able to seal the mylar or is it
not strong enough? From what I read it seems it is not strong enough but
havent seen it answered directly in this thread.
Food
type vac sealers seem to work fine at sealing. I do do double or triple
seals to feel sure of the seals. I turned the seal-heat setting up a
little above medium for 3mil MBBs and would guess it might be useful to
go higher on 7mil. So a unit with adjustable heat would be preferred I
think.
I have noticed I can rarely get vacuum with the MBBs. I
think it is because they are so smooth. I do a ziplock in a regular
vacuum bag and then a MBB layer (or two for larger packs or extra smelly
- probably unnecessary). I vac the first seal-able layer lightly to
make the package contents smaller but not so much as to crush the
contents excessively. We have been told in these related threads that
the vacuum pressure is not helpful at containing the smell. NWN
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In the interest of safety for all and without giving away too much about my procedures, my idea of safety:
STEP 1
Room #1
Head to weed stored area - glass with two-way humidity control packs in each - you know the deal
put on plastic gloves
weigh weed in container on scale and place in clean food grade bag
seal food grade with quality impulse sealer #1 making sure to get an air cushion in bag
quick wipe with clean alcohol pads
throw gloves into paper bag room #1 for burning
STEP 2
Take package to room #2 - small room with dishwasher and big table
replace gloves with new ones
hand wash bag and swab all surfaces with new alcohol pad
swab impulse #2 surfaces with new alcohol pad
place bag into MBB bag and seal at least twice
dishwasher bag (no dry cycle) and swab all surfaces with new alcohol pad
replace gloves with new ones
place bag into a second MBB and seal at least twice
dishwasher bag (no dry cycle) and swab all surfaces with new alcohol pad
clean impulse sealer #2
remove gloves and toss in paper bag room #2 for burning
STEP 3
Room #3
new gloves
Disguise package with business material/packaging - quick assembly line of stuff ready to go
remove gloves and toss in paper bag room #3 for burning
STEP 4
Mail package - won't discuss methods sorry
STEP 5
Clean up
Room #3
grab paper bag with any paper scraps/gloves
Room #2
grab paper bag with gloves/alcohol swabs/paper towels
run dishwasher on one quick rinse cycle with bleach
Room #1
go back and clean all surfaces with alcohol pads focusing mainly on impulse #1 sealer area
STEP 6
Burn
all paper bags with debris in wood burner stove on site. Relax and
smoke a joint, grab a beer, bang the ole lady if she's in a good mood
and so on lol.
Can you tell my OCD kicks in about this lol?
It ain't easy and sucks a lot of time but I just have to think of it as
my hobby. I'm lucky to have lots of room to keep contamination at zero
during the process. I don't how or if I would do it if I didn't
have the space. I bought a cheap dishwasher off CL and installed it in a
room just for washing bags. Never use the drying cycles! The more
packages I do the better this process will go.
I'm no expert but I
really hate the vac thing unless I suppose I was shipping larger
quantities and needed space. It really can ruin some nice buds. I use a
couple of high quality impulse sealers and try to get an air cushion in
each layer to keep the buds from compressing and to aid in transport
abuse. The MBB bags I use are high quality newest style - won't discuss
more sorry. So far I've felt like the Maytag repair man with only 8
packages ordered but it gave me the time to set up properly at least.
Take care!
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I'm trying to choose between 3.6mil 3M Dri-Shield 2000 Series MBBs
and 5.1mil Mylar bags (made in USA but that's all I know). The price and
size is about the same and I plan on cutting each bag in two, so serial
numbers on the MBBs are not a problem.
I understand Mylar bags are lower grade than MBBs but is it be compensated by Mylar bags being thicker (5.1mil vs 3.6mil)?
I
would love to buy plutopete's 7mil heat seal foil (which, I assume, is
the same material MBBs are made from) but it works out even more
expensive than buying 3M Dri-Shield 3000 Series. Not to mention the time
spent cutting and sealing.
Also, I was looking for heat sealer
and it looks like hair straighteners are the way to go, considering not
only the attractively low price but also because they give the widest
seal. Is 235°C/455°F hot enough to seal 5.1mil bags?
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I'm
trying to choose between 3.6mil 3M Dri-Shield 2000 Series MBBs and
5.1mil Mylar bags (made in USA but that's all I know). The price and
size is about the same and I plan on cutting each bag in two, so serial
numbers on the MBBs are not a problem.
I understand Mylar bags are lower grade than MBBs but is it be compensated by Mylar bags being thicker (5.1mil vs 3.6mil)?
I
would love to buy plutopete's 7mil heat seal foil (which, I assume, is
the same material MBBs are made from) but it works out even more
expensive than buying 3M Dri-Shield 3000 Series. Not to mention the time
spent cutting and sealing.
Also, I was looking for heat sealer
and it looks like hair straighteners are the way to go, considering not
only the attractively low price but also because they give the widest
seal. Is 135°C/275°F hot enough to seal 5.1mil bags?
PM Sent
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I'm
trying to choose between 3.6mil 3M Dri-Shield 2000 Series MBBs and
5.1mil Mylar bags (made in USA but that's all I know). The price and
size is about the same and I plan on cutting each bag in two, so serial
numbers on the MBBs are not a problem.
I understand Mylar bags are lower grade than MBBs but is it be compensated by Mylar bags being thicker (5.1mil vs 3.6mil)?
I
would love to buy plutopete's 7mil heat seal foil (which, I assume, is
the same material MBBs are made from) but it works out even more
expensive than buying 3M Dri-Shield 3000 Series. Not to mention the time
spent cutting and sealing.
Also, I was looking for heat sealer
and it looks like hair straighteners are the way to go, considering not
only the attractively low price but also because they give the widest
seal. Is 135°C/275°F hot enough to seal 5.1mil bags?
MBB
(moisture barrier bag) is a general term that covers all the heat seal
metallic bags and some plastic bags, and Mylar is a brand name that has
been misused and now seems to refer to any foil bag.
The 5.1mil will be superior to the 3.6mil, both are 3 ply and both will do the job fine.
My
foil is 5 ply compared to the usual 3 ply, I could only afford to get
one roll so I went for the highest standard I could get. The rolls are
used in manufacturing and the minimum order is usually about 20,000m so
i've had to be creative with my supply chain :)
My hair straighteners go to 220 degrees and that's enough to seal my foil so yours should handle anything :)
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I'm
trying to choose between 3.6mil 3M Dri-Shield 2000 Series MBBs and
5.1mil Mylar bags (made in USA but that's all I know). The price and
size is about the same and I plan on cutting each bag in two, so serial
numbers on the MBBs are not a problem.
I understand Mylar bags are lower grade than MBBs but is it be compensated by Mylar bags being thicker (5.1mil vs 3.6mil)?
I
would love to buy plutopete's 7mil heat seal foil (which, I assume, is
the same material MBBs are made from) but it works out even more
expensive than buying 3M Dri-Shield 3000 Series. Not to mention the time
spent cutting and sealing.
Also, I was looking for heat sealer
and it looks like hair straighteners are the way to go, considering not
only the attractively low price but also because they give the widest
seal. Is 135°C/275°F hot enough to seal 5.1mil bags?
MBB
(moisture barrier bag) is a general term that covers all the heat seal
metallic bags and some plastic bags, and Mylar is a brand name that has
been misused and now seems to refer to any foil bag.
The 5.1mil will be superior to the 3.6mil, both are 3 ply and both will do the job fine.
My
foil is 5 ply compared to the usual 3 ply, I could only afford to get
one roll so I went for the highest standard I could get. The rolls are
used in manufacturing and the minimum order is usually about 20,000m so
i've had to be creative with my supply chain :)
My hair straighteners go to 220 degrees and that's enough to seal my foil so yours should handle anything :)
Cheers
mate. I thought Mylar refers to MBBs specifically intended for food
storage: they have food-grade interior. There's no specs, so MVTR is
unknown.
On your suggestion, I'll go with Mylar this time. Btw,
the hair straighteners only go up to 235°C but good to know it's
sufficient.
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throw gloves into paper bag ... for burning
Thanks for the detailed list of steps and ideas.
I
was burning my MBB and other plastic scraps at first also. After the
first stinky batch I remembered why burning plastic and rubber are
something I like to avoid. It may well put out toxic smoke particles and
the smell might draw the attention of people in the area. Since the
gloves are so clean still, you might consider passing them on to someone
who could use them. If not, I just hope you will think about the idea
and consider another solution if it is not too much trouble.
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samesamebutdifferent, you are amazing. +3 when I get the opportunity.
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Although a very recent (about five minutes ago) convert to the
MBB philosophy, I would strongly suggest that people do not skip the
vacuum sealing step. Google searching shows me that there are MBB that
are vacuum seal ready as well , and I would strongly suggest this over
just throwing stuff in a MBB and heat sealing it or whatever. Vacuum
> no vacuum, regardless of the permeability of the bag.
In
regard to the metal foil layer, which was my biggest concern, I was just
informed by a very smart friend that the layer of metal on these bags
is so thin that it is unlikely to trigger a metal detector.
edit:
My friend also points out that the metal foil can be an advantage, as
packaging in a room with an ionizer present will reduce trace elements
of the drug adhering to the outside of the MBB.
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Although
a very recent (about five minutes ago) and still somewhat reluctant
convert to the MBB philosophy, I would strongly suggest that people do
not skip the vacuum sealing step. Google searching shows me that there
are MBB that are vacuum seal ready as well , and I would strongly
suggest this over just throwing stuff in a MBB and heat sealing it or
whatever. Vacuum > no vacuum, regardless of the permeability of the
bag.
Why? Please explain how vacuum helps.
My
understanding is a sealed bag does not require vacuum. If you properly
heat seal it's sufficient. High vacuum can actually be detrimental by
increasing the amount of diffusion through the bag. Please do some
research on diffusion. The vacuum used in manufacturing plants is
intended to remove oxygen from the container limiting bacteria growth,
reduce freezer burn, reducing the volume of the contents and ensuring a
seal ....not practical to be dunking everything in water there checking
for bubbles. With regards to volume reduction, generally I need to add
material to my packages to stop movement so unless shipping bulk
quantities I don't see the need for a vacuum. Don't compress the buds
please lol.
I first seal my material into a food grade creating
an air bubble, then transfer into an MBB and seal, then into another MBB
to seal. Each layer of MBB I test in a bowl of water for leaks and then
throw in the dishwasher. Make it into an easy assembly line process
it's easy. Do all of this in a separate area that no weed particulates
have infiltrated - pretend it's a lab. Wash, clean clothes, ect. or you
are wasting your time. Time/energy would be much better spent making
sure the package has absolutely no traces of contraband on any surface.
Why go through all the trouble doing whatever only to have a dog sniff
the trace material on the outside of the package? I think this is where
most vendors probably fail as it requires strict discipline and no
shortcuts.
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+1 to OP, thank you so much Samesame to making us all more aware and
safer. I will start leaving notes in my feedback whether or not
mylar or moisture barrier was used.
I recently received and order from Christy Nugs and it was double vac sealed and MBB was used.
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Although
a very recent (about five minutes ago) convert to the MBB
philosophy, I would strongly suggest that people do not skip the vacuum
sealing step. Google searching shows me that there are MBB that are
vacuum seal ready as well , and I would strongly suggest this over just
throwing stuff in a MBB and heat sealing it or whatever. Vacuum > no
vacuum, regardless of the permeability of the bag.
In regard to
the metal foil layer, which was my biggest concern, I was just informed
by a very smart friend that the layer of metal on these bags is so thin
that it is unlikely to trigger a metal detector.
edit: My friend
also points out that the metal foil can be an advantage, as packaging
in a room with an ionizer present will reduce trace elements of the drug
adhering to the outside of the MBB.
One vendor recently had 2 of his MBB packages opened and allowed to pass for no trace elements were found.
He had just switched to using MBB's and was very happy with the outcome...buyer and vendor both win. 8)
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...
I would strongly suggest that people do not skip the vacuum sealing
step. Google searching shows me that there are MBB that are vacuum seal
ready as well ...
We
have been told that the science of scent molecule movement through the
bag wall tells us transmission rates are not significantly affected by
the total (air) pressure or lack of it inside the bag. If there was a
leak, it could matter a lot, but we are assuming no leaks.
I am
curious if the Vac-ready MBBs are just open ended (and the advertisers
ignorant or open-minded) or actually have some texture to the surface or
... The smooth surface of the MBBs I have tried makes getting vacuum
difficult - though not impossible.
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Is vacuum necessary for the MMB's?
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Is vacuum necessary for the MMB's?
Not
necessary, but recommended as it will keep things as flat as possible
and avoid a suspicious feeling air pocket in the middle of your
envelope.....
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Is vacuum necessary for the MMB's?
Not
necessary, but recommended as it will keep things as flat as possible
and avoid a suspicious feeling air pocket in the middle of your
envelope.....
Thanks onezero. +1. ;)
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Is vacuum necessary for the MMB's?
Not
necessary, but recommended as it will keep things as flat as possible
and avoid a suspicious feeling air pocket in the middle of your
envelope.....
Thanks onezero. +1. ;)
Always a pleasure my anonymous mate :)
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Is vacuum necessary for the MMB's?
Not
necessary, but recommended as it will keep things as flat as possible
and avoid a suspicious feeling air pocket in the middle of your
envelope.....
Fine
for other products in stealth for envelopes but I was referring to bud.
Normally any weight is shipped in a box with plenty O room.
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...
I would strongly suggest that people do not skip the vacuum sealing
step. Google searching shows me that there are MBB that are vacuum seal
ready as well ...
We
have been told that the science of scent molecule movement through the
bag wall tells us transmission rates are not significantly affected by
the total (air) pressure or lack of it inside the bag. If there was a
leak, it could matter a lot, but we are assuming no leaks.
I am
curious if the Vac-ready MBBs are just open ended (and the advertisers
ignorant or open-minded) or actually have some texture to the surface or
... The smooth surface of the MBBs I have tried makes getting vacuum
difficult - though not impossible.
Could you forward that source of information?
Also
if you really want to vac seal MBB there is a video showing a
modification adapter for that I found. Send me a pm and I'll send
you what to search for rather than posting a clearnet link.
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There are two reasons why I would want vendors to continue using
vacuum seals. The first is that traditionally we have been using vacuum
seal bags to ship drugs in and it seems to have been somewhat effective,
at least there have not been a lot of arrests of people getting vacuum
sealed shipments. I am not one for tradition, but I am conservative when
it comes to security measures, and suddenly completely changing the
shipping technique used leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I will need to
see some scientific studies or some shit showing that it is safe to use
MBB without a vacuum sealed bag before I change my mind regarding vacuum
sealing
being a requirement.
Secondly, vacuum sealed bags
to the best of my understanding actually have vacuums in them, as the
air has all been sucked out leaving some amount of emptiness. This
vacuum should pull scent molecules in, and this must be taken into
account in addition to the permeability of the bag. I believe, and
correct me with citations if I am wrong, that the vacuum in a sealed bag
holds the scent in in addition to the actual material the bag is made
out of holding the scent in due to low permeability. We can see that MBB
has very low permeability , even lower than traditional vacuum sealed
bags, but I don't know how to compare the permeability of a MBB without a
vacuum seal to the overall scent holding ability of a vacuum sealed bag
that is more permeable. I imagine it is not so simple as merely
comparing the MVTR of the two bags, however in cases where a vacuum seal
is used in addition to the MBB I do believe at this point that MBB is
the superior choice.
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...
I would strongly suggest that people do not skip the vacuum sealing
step. Google searching shows me that there are MBB that are vacuum seal
ready as well ...
We
have been told that the science of scent molecule movement through the
bag wall tells us transmission rates are not significantly affected by
the total (air) pressure or lack of it inside the bag. If there was a
leak, it could matter a lot, but we are assuming no leaks.
I am
curious if the Vac-ready MBBs are just open ended (and the advertisers
ignorant or open-minded) or actually have some texture to the surface or
... The smooth surface of the MBBs I have tried makes getting vacuum
difficult - though not impossible.
Could you forward that source of information?
Also
if you really want to vac seal MBB there is a video showing a
modification adapter for that I found. Send me a pm and I'll send
you what to search for rather than posting a clearnet link.
Thanks for the video tip.
I agree it seems like vacuum ought to help.
This
may not be the only place I read about vac not being very important to
scent transmission through the bag wall - but I have faith in FarmerBob
on this topic (from the thread about - Packaging methods tested with
actual trained dog) :-):
...
Vacuuming
should make no difference, in fact on polymer bags pulling a vacuum
should make the results slightly worse. Stresses that cause any
inelastic deformation or stretching of any type of polymer will reduce
the crystallinity of that polymer. Reduced crystallinity WILL
cause greater permeation. I know it seems counter-intuitive, but
diffusion flows are largely independent of absolute pressure. If
you don't trust me (and why should you) then go to wikipedia and get to
know the diffusion equation, if you can handle calculus you can handle
diff-eq.
The reason I do not use PP, PE or any other homogeneous
polymer is that COTS flexible polymer films tend to have a wide range of
crystallinity and there's no guarantee that the PP one guy has is the
same as the PP from another vendor. This stuff is generally made
for food and so there's no quality control on many of the factors that
impact scent permeation.
Moisture barrier bags are designed to
limit flows of moisture and gasses. They'll do a great job of
containing heavier organics, better than any polymer bags will.
The ones i use are 7-mil thick but are roughly equivalent in moisture
permeation to the 3-inch thick acrylic you see in bulletproof windows at
gas stations. The 3M COTS bags (the -2700s I think) are probably
close to that in performance as well.
dual beam x-ray systems
cannot spot aluminum that thin. Thick metals, particularly dense
metals, show up very well, but 1-mil of a light metal like aluminum is
less absorptive of the x-rays than the 6-mils of plastic. there's
no way a dual beam system will discern that as a metal.
Bear proof bags are just 3M MBBs with a zip-line on them and then re-sold at an outrageous price.
Mylar
is not the same as a MBB. Mylar is probably better than a
straight polymer bag but it's not the engineered material that a real
MBB is.
However, if people want to use polymer bags more power to
them, I'm not a buyer here, only a seller, so there's no risk to
me. And I've decided that every herd needs some slow movers to
feed the lions. Otherwise the lions would have to up their game.
Once again good job thisaintme
and thanks Pine for the heads up, I probably would have never found this otherwise.
Best Regards,
Bob
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This thread has been most interesting to follow.
Currently,
we are using vac seal bags IN ADDITION to 1 - 2 layers of impermeable
material. Mylar's pretty freakin' cheap, as are glass vials/jars/etc. :D
We
are new to vending, but have experience in sending sensitive materials
through the mail and have received no complaints thus far. We are
definitely open to suggestions from any of our customers as to
improvements that would be desired. Safety should always be the NUMBER
ONE concern when dealing with the mail, and it seems silly (in our
opinion) to skimp on a few bucks' worth of proper packing materials...
especially when the item(s) in question is/are SO much more valuable
than said packing materials. *shrug*
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Hi we have started using MBB as of yesterday this is how we did it
We only sell 2g & 5g cannabis
1. Put the cannabis in ziplock bag wipe it down with alcohol wipes
2. into the MBB heat seal & wipe down with alcohol wipes again
3 wrap the MBB in bubble wrap & into padded envelope
We do have a vacuum sealer but it really compacts the cannabis
Any tips would be great
PS You still adding vendors to the front page :)
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Hi we have started using MBB as of yesterday this is how we did it
We only sell 2g & 5g cannabis
1. Put the cannabis in ziplock bag wipe it down with alcohol wipes
2. into the MBB heat seal & wipe down with alcohol wipes again
3 wrap the MBB in bubble wrap & into padded envelope
We do have a vacuum sealer but it really compacts the cannabis
Any tips would be great
PS You still adding vendors to the front page :)
I am indeed, consider yourself added and great to have you on board with safer packaging :)
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Fine
for other products in stealth for envelopes but I was referring to bud.
Normally any weight is shipped in a box with plenty O room.
Just
to reinforce this point, not vac sealing weed might be fine but for any
chemical sales it's a must, if an order is randomly picked up off a
conveyor belt or in any other situation where it happens to fall into
the hands of someone who isn't the end buyer if the order isn't vac
sealed then it can be quite obvious that there isn't something right
with the letter/packet when you can hear what appears to be sand inside.
This is especially important for large orders due to them also having
weight distribution as a flagging point, if you're buying 500g of some
chemical and someone picks the packet up only for all the weight to sag
to one end it sets off alarm bells.
It
has also been brought to my attention that caution should be exercised
when sourcing these materials to ensure the sale cannot be traced back
to you
I
personally disagree that vendors who sell these materials are listings
in the OP. If you are suggesting that sellers prevent linking them to
buying these materials I would suggest it prudent to not suggest they
buy the materials fro SR sellers. I have no problems with such sellers
but please keep in mind just because the market is on the TOR network
and mostly consists of illegal goods seller doesn't make it illegal for
undercover police to sell materials used for packaging them. I'm not
suggesting these sellers are undercovers but you have to consider that
it would be a very easy way to farm addresses which can then be watched
after all, who else would be buying bulk amounts of MBB etc bags from an
anonymous market and paying in BTC?
My advise is if you are
buying from said sellers don't ever use an address that can remotely be
linked to you. I would say "don't buy from them" but I feel that is
overly harsh to these sellers as I wouldn't want them to say the same
about me for whatever reason.
Forgive me but I'm just wary of
any vendors who don't sell anything that's actually illegal. But it is
understandable from their point of view if they run a legitimate
company/declare tax and what not.
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No offense taken Reich :) I have to keep this vendor account legal
because my seed strain is too easily linked to me, but i can easily make
the foil available through a vendor of illicit substances if people
prefer it :)
Vendors should always use clean accounts and safe
addresses when ordering these things, this is also true if ordering
mbb's on the clearnet as the serial numbers may be trackable.
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Honestly it is an absolutely horrible idea for vendors to all be
ordering bags from people on SR. If a single one of them turns out to be
a fed they could potentially compromise a shit ton of vendors. I
wouldn't even feel safe getting these bags off SR sent to a fake ID box,
it is just way too huge of an attack vector for identifying vendors.
Either buy them off clearnet sites not linked to SR or suggested on SR
and sent to fake ID box or similar, or try to find a local store that
sells them. The last thing we need is all the vendors on SR buying their
shipping materials from the feds, and I absolutely guarantee you that
even if they are not yet, if MBB catches on and people are all buying
them off SR, the feds are going to be the number one sellers. It is just
a new take on their VPN tactic of getting all the people on a forum to
use their VPN to identify them, except in this case it will be getting
all the vendors on the forum to buy MBB from them to identify them. I
cannot overstate how serious of a threat this could end up being if
vendors do not take every precaution when obtaining these bags, and that
includes imo never buying them off SR or from sites linked to off SR.
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No
offense taken Reich :) I have to keep this vendor account legal because
my seed strain is too easily linked to me, but i can easily make it
available through a vendor of illicit substances if people prefer it :)
Vendors
should always use clean accounts and safe addresses when ordering these
things, this is also true if ordering mbb's on the clearnet as the
serial numbers may be trackable.
I
understand why you have to keep it all straight line, I've removed any
mentions I made to several vendors in my original post as I don't think
it's fair for me to call out several of the sellers here and not all of
them because I'm too lazy to check all their profiles and see if they
all could potentially be threats. Also I feel it's unfair for me to
smear vendors who might not be aware of my posts on the forum or don't
have a forum presence.
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Honestly
it is an absolutely horrible idea for vendors to all be ordering bags
from people on SR. If a single one of them turns out to be a fed they
could potentially compromise a shit ton of vendors. I wouldn't even feel
safe getting these bags off SR sent to a fake ID box, it is just way
too huge of an attack vector for identifying vendors. Either buy them
off clearnet sites not linked to SR or suggested on SR and sent to fake
ID box or similar, or try to find a local store that sells them. The
last thing we need is all the vendors on SR buying their shipping
materials from the feds, and I absolutely guarantee you that even if
they are not yet, if MBB catches on and people are all buying them off
SR, the feds are going to be the number one sellers. It is just a new
take on their VPN tactic of getting all the people on a forum to use
their VPN to identify them, except in this case it will be getting all
the vendors on the forum to buy MBB from them to identify them. I cannot
overstate how serious of a threat this could end up being if vendors do
not take every precaution when obtaining these bags, and that includes
imo never buying them off SR or from sites linked to off SR.
Good post IMO. +1
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OP updated with new vendors using MBB.
Also good to see some
discussion on the safe sourcing of these materials, there are many
options for buying these materials, just make sure you do it as safely
as possible ensuring the sale cannot be linked to you in anyway, stating
the bloody obvious I know.
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Another fantastic thread. Thanks for keeping us all safe guys!
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So maybe this should be obvious, but can somebody in the know tell
me if pluto petes shit is MBB? Is it really smell proof? As good as the
3M shit?
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Havent been in this thread in awhile but weve been using MBBs since
we starting shipping out product. It would be extremely appreciated if
we were added to your lovely list :)
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Havent
been in this thread in awhile but weve been using MBBs since we
starting shipping out product. It would be extremely appreciated if we
were added to your lovely list :)
Doing it now XXXotica!
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So
maybe this should be obvious, but can somebody in the know tell me if
pluto petes shit is MBB? Is it really smell proof? As good as the 3M
shit?
It's better than the 3M stuff :) my foil is 5ply and the best of the rest are 3ply.
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nice post! good info to know for when i decide to become a vendor! +1 to you my friend!
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ssbd,
Please include us in your list.
Thanks!
ashylarry
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Does anyone know if these bags are MBB?
***CLEARNET LINK***
http://www.walmart.com/ip/FoodSaver-Liquid-Block-1-Qt-Heat-Seal-Barrier-Bags-12pk/21930742
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Does anyone know if these bags are MBB?
***CLEARNET LINK***
http://www.walmart.com/ip/FoodSaver-Liquid-Block-1-Qt-Heat-Seal-Barrier-Bags-12pk/21930742
No. MBBs are not transparent.
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Does anyone know if these bags are MBB?
***CLEARNET LINK***
http://www.walmart.com/ip/FoodSaver-Liquid-Block-1-Qt-Heat-Seal-Barrier-Bags-12pk/21930742
As
mentioned they are not.....but great to see a vendor asking. Keep
on looking and once for found, then get in touch with the thread
originator, SameSameButDifferent, and get him to list you
upon this thread.
Onya mate.
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OP updated with more vendors using MBB.
Vote with your coins
when buying, this is now the standard for all o/s shipping - you have a
clear choice when it comes to avoiding seizures by canine detection, its
a no brainer really.
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What about me?
I use MBB's :'(
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Does anyone know if these bags are MBB?
***CLEARNET LINK***
http://www.walmart.com/ip/FoodSaver-Liquid-Block-1-Qt-Heat-Seal-Barrier-Bags-12pk/21930742
No. MBBs are not transparent.
I
don't know if there is a clear distinction between MBBs and regular
Anti-static bags. The thinner ones are see-thru.. 3M brand 1000 series
for instance. I think we should expect the thicker 2000 series for
domestic and maybe the even thicker 3000 series for OS shipping. The
1000 series would, however, be better than the food grade bags that have
been standard here in the past. I'm not sure all bags that could be
called MBB are opaque, but I would think we would want to make the
thicker ones our standard here.
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3M 2000's and Mylars are so cheap I can't imagine anyone buying
1000's. I couldn't find the MVTR for them but for these transparent MBBs
it's 0.4: http://aeropackaging.com/products/composaclean.shtml
If
you have nothing else around, by all means use them but there's no
advantage regarding price, availability and especially MVTR.
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The question is, where can you purchase these with cash?
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What about me?
I use MBB's :'(
Do you really? That's great news.
Contact the thread starter, SameSameButDifferent......and go from there.
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Now shipping with Mylar Bags! Let's keep my 100% success and 0% seizure rate going!
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The question is, where can you purchase these with cash?
Unnecessary paranoia.
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The question is, where can you purchase these with cash?
Unnecessary paranoia.
That's
quite an odd outlook to take when that's part of the reason why the
demand for MBB using vendors is here in the first place. Yes I
understand MBBs block smell etc but when you look at it statistically
the drop in detection usually won't be very high and so it's mostly done
to give the buyer piece of mind.
That said I think the value of them increases quite a bit as you go into larger amounts of product.
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I am now also shipping with mylar bags! Hey all!
Hoping to keep this 0% seizure rate going!
Additionally I recommend all buyers read my post here:http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=144438.0.
Stay safe y'all! Thanks ssbd!
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That's
quite an odd outlook to take when that's part of the reason why the
demand for MBB using vendors is here in the first place. Yes I
understand MBBs block smell etc but when you look at it statistically
the drop in detection usually won't be very high and so it's mostly done
to give the buyer piece of mind.
That said I think the value of them increases quite a bit as you go into larger amounts of product.
MBBs
are cheap and can be easily bought online. To seal them you only need
hair straighteners. It doesn't require more effort or expense than
vacuum sealing, which everyone is already doing. And of course they
block smell, which is a big advantage.
On the other hand,
thinking that buying packaging materials online will get your address
flagged is beyond ridiculous. Of course only if you use your common
sense and don't announce publicly here on the forum what you bought,
where and when.
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I am now shipping High Quality Fish Scale Cocaine worldwide from the
US using MBB's. All orders are shipped within 48 hours. US orders
typically arrive in 3-5 days. Check out my vendor page or message me for
additional info.
1/2 Gram - $50
1 Gram - $90
3.5 Grams - $270
-TGX
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I
am now shipping High Quality Fish Scale Cocaine worldwide from the US
using MBB's. All orders are shipped within 48 hours. US orders typically
arrive in 3-5 days. Check out my vendor page or message me for
additional info.
1/2 Gram - $50
1 Gram - $90
3.5 Grams - $270
-TGX
Wonderfully delightful news.......very happy to see.
Will be around to your shop in the near future!
+1 to you mate..!!!!!!
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sorry i am having problems as qsource.com don't ship to the UK from their site..?! any suggestions?
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sorry i am having problems as qsource.com don't ship to the UK from their site..?! any suggestions?
I was able to find multiple alternative sources with a quick search.
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The question is, where can you purchase these with cash?
Unnecessary paranoia.
No it isn't.
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MBBs
are cheap and can be easily bought online. To seal them you only need
hair straighteners. It doesn't require more effort or expense than
vacuum sealing, which everyone is already doing. And of course they
block smell, which is a big advantage.
On the other hand,
thinking that buying packaging materials online will get your address
flagged is beyond ridiculous. Of course only if you use your common
sense and don't announce publicly here on the forum what you bought,
where and when.
I
never thought it would get your address flagged. I'm just pointing out
that wanting to buy them for cash is not unnecessary paranoia. Buying
anything online leaves a paper trail, be it the card/paypal etc you use
to pay or the supplier's purchase records. Sure they aren't
incriminating yet but should the guy who wanted to pay with cash get
caught several years down the line whoever caught him would likely be
able to find the card/paypal he paid with and from that they then have
proof that said seller didn't start yesterday but has been operating for
years/at much higher volume that then originally thought.
Call
that paranoid but the actual amount of orders that get stopped by smell
alone in itself makes wanting MBBs to be used paranoid. I'm not saying
don't use them but this is very much the kettle calling the pot black.
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The question is, where can you purchase these with cash?
Unnecessary paranoia.
No it isn't.
Get
someone you trust. Meet him face 2 face and ask him to order the bags
for you. Exchange no word online about the bags or sheets. Use a fresh
address.
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I
never thought it would get your address flagged. I'm just pointing out
that wanting to buy them for cash is not unnecessary paranoia. Buying
anything online leaves a paper trail, be it the card/paypal etc you use
to pay or the supplier's purchase records. Sure they aren't
incriminating yet but should the guy who wanted to pay with cash get
caught several years down the line whoever caught him would likely be
able to find the card/paypal he paid with and from that they then have
proof that said seller didn't start yesterday but has been operating for
years/at much higher volume that then originally thought.
Call
that paranoid but the actual amount of orders that get stopped by smell
alone in itself makes wanting MBBs to be used paranoid. I'm not saying
don't use them but this is very much the kettle calling the pot black.
Use
a prepaid card in a fake name to order and problem solved. I don't
think MBB suppliers accept PayPal but if there is one that does, you can
set up a throwaway PayPal account through Tor as well. I still don't
see how buying with cash is safer. I'm sure it isn't. Some people just
have a phobia of ordering stuff online.
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Use
a prepaid card in a fake name to order and problem solved. I don't
think MBB suppliers accept PayPal but if there is one that does, you can
set up a throwaway PayPal account through Tor as well. I still don't
see how buying with cash is safer. I'm sure it isn't. Some people just
have a phobia of ordering stuff online.
I
think most prepaid cards have ID requirements to activate now? I think
PayPal offers to act like a visa or mastercard. You can use Paypal
anywhere credit cards are good, but, there is an e-paper trail. IDK
about fake/throwaway Paypal accounts yet. You are "sure" cash is not
safer? Knowing places we can buy them over the counter seems very useful
to me.
Paranoid, yes! Too paranoid, Maybe. NWN
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I
think most prepaid cards have ID requirements to activate now? I think
PayPal offers to act like a visa or mastercard. You can use Paypal
anywhere credit cards are good, but, there is an e-paper trail. IDK
about fake/throwaway Paypal accounts yet. You are "sure" cash is not
safer? Knowing places we can buy them over the counter seems very useful
to me.
Paranoid, yes! Too paranoid, Maybe. NWN
I
believe ID is required only for reloadable cards. Non-reloadable cards
have no such requirement. I think they're called Moneypaks in the US. I
don't know why'd you want to use a PayPal-issued credit card, you'd
definitely need ID for that.
Creating a throwaway account with
PayPal is easy. Just don't put any money on it but fund it via Moneypak.
PayPal freeze accounts accessed from Tor but they can't do it if
there's no funds in it. Or even if they did, it wouldn't matter because
it's a throwaway account.
You can't buy MBBs locally because
they're not a consumer item. Some shops should be able to order Mylars
for you as these are commonly used for long-term food storage. Maybe try
an independent health food store?
Edit: I've been checking
Moneypak website and apparently they can only be used to top up PayPal
but not on their own. I think what you should looking for is called
'Visa gift card'.
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Just wanted to chime in here and let ya'll know that we at Angel
Eyes have upgraded our shipping to use the 3m dri-shield 2700 bags for
all of our shipments. This thread has been invaluable to us and we
want to thank all of you who have contributed to making our
shipments safe and smooth. ;)
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I'm
trying to choose between 3.6mil 3M Dri-Shield 2000 Series MBBs and
5.1mil Mylar bags (made in USA but that's all I know). The price and
size is about the same and I plan on cutting each bag in two, so serial
numbers on the MBBs are not a problem.
I understand Mylar bags are lower grade than MBBs but is it be compensated by Mylar bags being thicker (5.1mil vs 3.6mil)?
I
would love to buy plutopete's 7mil heat seal foil (which, I assume, is
the same material MBBs are made from) but it works out even more
expensive than buying 3M Dri-Shield 3000 Series. Not to mention the time
spent cutting and sealing.
Also, I was looking for heat sealer
and it looks like hair straighteners are the way to go, considering not
only the attractively low price but also because they give the widest
seal. Is 235°C/455°F hot enough to seal 5.1mil bags?
Maybe a silly question - but I have to ask:
When
we are speaking of 5.1mil vs 3.6mil - are we speaking in 1000th of a
millimeter? Because there is no way those packets are 5.1 millimeters
thick.
Sorry if Im sounding dum, just that this has slightly done my head in for the last few days.
MSB
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We are currently in the process of switching over to MBB's entirely!
All of our new listings will be shipped vacuum sealed and with an outer layer of MBB's
Withing the next weeks we will ship all of our orders with MBB's
Thanks for the info on this subject, we want to stay updated with all the latest shipping methods :)
:D
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We are currently in the process of switching over to MBB's entirely!
All of our new listings will be shipped vacuum sealed and with an outer layer of MBB's
Withing the next weeks we will ship all of our orders with MBB's
Thanks for the info on this subject, we want to stay updated with all the latest shipping methods :)
:D
Great news Heineken!
Once you have fully switched over, contact SameSameButDifferent. .....and get your name listed.
+1 to you mate.
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Would like everyone to know we are finally back up and running, took
a while as we were trying to find the best batch possible which I
believe we finally have! We would just like to inform the community we
have finally gotten our hands on 2 different MBB's. Both are of very
high quality and structure and much research went into getting the best
ones possible. We will be incorporating them in all of our International
and larger USA orders, larger domestic (Canadian) orders can
still have them upon request. We hope this will add the extra safety and
peace of mind during transit.
Please let us know if you should have any further questions or concerns.
Lexq
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Would
like everyone to know we are finally back up and running, took a while
as we were trying to find the best batch possible which I believe we
finally have! We would just like to inform the community we have finally
gotten our hands on 2 different MBB's. Both are of very high quality
and structure and much research went into getting the best ones
possible. We will be incorporating them in all of our International and
larger USA orders, larger domestic (Canadian) orders can still
have them upon request. We hope this will add the extra safety and peace
of mind during transit.
Please let us know if you should have any further questions or concerns.
Lexq
Bloody good Lexq.
I've had your cola before.....and it arrived safe and was of a good quality (compared to whats available here in Aust).
So the addition of MBB's lovely......!
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Would
like everyone to know we are finally back up and running, took a while
as we were trying to find the best batch possible which I believe we
finally have! We would just like to inform the community we have finally
gotten our hands on 2 different MBB's. Both are of very high quality
and structure and much research went into getting the best ones
possible. We will be incorporating them in all of our International and
larger USA orders, larger domestic (Canadian) orders can still
have them upon request. We hope this will add the extra safety and peace
of mind during transit.
Please let us know if you should have any further questions or concerns.
Lexq
Bloody good Lexq.
I've had your cola before.....and it arrived safe and was of a good quality (compared to whats available here in Aust).
So the addition of MBB's lovely......!
Yep, it gives you so much more piece of mind, especially for us being international.
They will never permeate so they are perfect. ;)
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Hi Guys :)
I just thought I'd drop a shameless plug for my new
MBB pouches, 8cm x 12cm to nicely fit a standard envelope, with a
bargain price and awesome customer service you can't go wrong :)
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/0067449104
Love and Sunshine :)
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Just dropping in to say I received a package from Bungee54 using MMB's!
Very happy to say the least.
Cheers Bungee54 and SSBD!
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Just dropping in to say I received a package from Bungee54 using MMB's!
Very happy to say the least.
Cheers Bungee54 and SSBD!
Always good to hear of success stories :)
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For what it's worth, I'm in here reading it all for a reason.
I'm going with these MBBs from 3M they are cheap. $17.99 for 100 6 x 7.
Or something. That's cheap.
Glad I read this.
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Hello all,
Sorry for the delay. We have procured MBB now and
will be implementing triple layering, vac (to stop the rattle), MBB,
then foil outside layer in 2 weeks time, when our next shipment of MDMA
comes in.
We will announce this new shipment in our thread.
Thanks!
jor
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Hello all,
Sorry
for the delay. We have procured MBB now and will be implementing triple
layering, vac (to stop the rattle), MBB, then foil outside layer in 2
weeks time, when our next shipment of MDMA comes in.
We will announce this new shipment in our thread.
Thanks!
jor
Good to have you on board JOR, will add you to the OP listing.
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SSBD
I can vouch for CYANOSPORE
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/79c30e564a... .If
you would so kindly like to add them to the tickler.
QUOTE UNQUOTE
all orders are vacuum sealed in moisture barrier bags for stealth and discrete delivery.
HEAR NO EVIL SEE NO EVIL
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SSBD
I
can vouch for CYANOSPORE
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/79c30e564a... .If
you would so kindly like to add them to the tickler.
QUOTE UNQUOTE
all orders are vacuum sealed in moisture barrier bags for stealth and discrete delivery.
HEAR NO EVIL SEE NO EVIL
Done :)
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OP updated with new vendors using MBB.
The standard has been set.
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If the MBB's are non permeable, why is it necessary to vacuum seal
before placing inside the MBB? Is it just to help eliminate any residue?
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If
the MBB's are non permeable, why is it necessary to vacuum seal before
placing inside the MBB? Is it just to help eliminate any residue?
It's not really, vac sealing compresses things nicely though.
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I will be using MBBs soon. I've got some MBBs right now
but they are not very big. They will only hold about an oz of
weed. I will start using them as soon as I find a way to
seal them. I'll try to get some bigger ones too that will
hold more.
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I have been shipping everything in MBBs as long as I've been vending
on The Road. Even legal or damn near legal chems that dogs don't
hit on get at least a heat sealed mylar bag. Something dogs will
hit on gets MBB, wipe down with wet wipe, dry with paper towel between
each layer. Vac Seal, Vac Seal, MBB
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Here's a link to some more mmb's.
http://www.isconline.com/category/56/Moisture-Barrier-Bags.html?trackcode=GoogleAdMoistureBarrierBag&gclid=CM-x2ebQ4rYCFRHNOgodwRgANQ
3M 70068 Drishield 2000 6x8 for $17.50 (100 bags)
Looking at this one.
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Hey samesamebutdifferent can we get on the Op? We're now shipping
all orders with MBBs, we might move to make it optional in the future
depending on how time consuming it is but currently it's on all orders.
Our SR vendor link is
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/d1bc04e932
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^ good to hear! Hope to be making my first ketamine purchase on the
road in the next few days, and this will definitely be taken into
account when I choose a vendor.
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Hey
samesamebutdifferent can we get on the Op? We're now shipping all
orders with MBBs, we might move to make it optional in the future
depending on how time consuming it is but currently it's on all orders.
Our SR vendor link is
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/d1bc04e932
Done :)
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I have been using Mylar bags from the beginning, partially due to
the overwhelming recommendations in this thread... But I have been using
Mylar to send weed a good bit longer than SR has been around. :) Now I
use it for everything by default: vapor-impermeable, good visual
barrier, and pretty fucking cheap to have them brought right your door! I
think the amount I use for most orders comes to 13 cents. We can't
spare a little over a dime or quarter to send people their products
safely? C'Mon, y'all! I'm sure if you raise the cost of your listings by
that much to cover it, few if any will complain. Hehe :D
Another
one I don't see mentioned is mason jars: cheap, ubiquitous, great vapor
barrier, available in several shapes and sizes. Again, why shouldn't we
throw down a few extra cents to ensure the safety of our customers and
the quality of the products upon receiving? I think that doing so shows
repsect for said customers and materials both.
I hope this
doesn't come across as preachy/holier-than-thou, but as someone who is
themselves often a customer of SR as well, I want to believe that the
people selling me illegal drugs through the mail are taking every
reasonable precaution to keep me safe in doing so. <3
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Thanks for bringing this to my attention. All my orders now ship in MBB's.
OP, please add me to your list!
Thanks again!
Betty
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I
have been using Mylar bags from the beginning, partially due to the
overwhelming recommendations in this thread... But I have been using
Mylar to send weed a good bit longer than SR has been around. :) Now I
use it for everything by default: vapor-impermeable, good visual
barrier, and pretty fucking cheap to have them brought right your door! I
think the amount I use for most orders comes to 13 cents. We can't
spare a little over a dime or quarter to send people their products
safely? C'Mon, y'all! I'm sure if you raise the cost of your listings by
that much to cover it, few if any will complain. Hehe :D
Another
one I don't see mentioned is mason jars: cheap, ubiquitous, great vapor
barrier, available in several shapes and sizes. Again, why shouldn't we
throw down a few extra cents to ensure the safety of our customers and
the quality of the products upon receiving? I think that doing so shows
repsect for said customers and materials both.
I hope this
doesn't come across as preachy/holier-than-thou, but as someone who is
themselves often a customer of SR as well, I want to believe that the
people selling me illegal drugs through the mail are taking every
reasonable precaution to keep me safe in doing so. <3
Since I just had an order marked in transit from you, this makes me very happy to hear! Thank you!
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Thanks for bringing this to my attention. All my orders now ship in MBB's.
OP, please add me to your list!
Thanks again!
Betty
Done :)
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With just a single thread you have almost managed to bring new shipping standards to the whole of SR. Well done!
Meloveyoulongtime samesamebutdifferent!
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With just a single thread you have almost managed to bring new shipping standards to the whole of SR. Well done!
Meloveyoulongtime samesamebutdifferent!
;D
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Oh yeah: may I be added, based upon what I posted here, and this review?
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=153040.0
dothedamnthing and several others can also attest to my packaging methods; I ALWAYS put my customers' safety first.
:D
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i have a foodsaver vacuum sealer...can i just use that to heat seal the MBB's???
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i have a foodsaver vacuum sealer...can i just use that to heat seal the MBB's???
I don't think so. On this thread they were talking about heats above 230 degrees.
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thanks for the help!
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With just a single thread you have almost managed to bring new shipping standards to the whole of SR. Well done!
Meloveyoulongtime samesamebutdifferent!
Now, that...↑.......made me laugh!!!!!!
Brilliant repertoire.
Now, if I could only throw in a 'toodeeptoodeep' into the conversation.........
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With just a single thread you have almost managed to bring new shipping standards to the whole of SR. Well done!
Meloveyoulongtime samesamebutdifferent!
Now, that...↑.......made me laugh!!!!!!
Brilliant repertoire.
Now, if I could only throw in a 'toodeeptoodeep' into the conversation.........
Yeah, seriously though, it is thankless work and my hats comes off for SSBD. Thank you for your hard work on our behalf.
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Oh yeah: may I be added, based upon what I posted here, and this review?
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=153040.0
dothedamnthing and several others can also attest to my packaging methods; I ALWAYS put my customers' safety first.
:D
Done :)
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Ok I have just purchased some MBB Military grade roll Off Pluto
Pete. It arrived a few days ago. I have read through the OP. It is very
informative, cheers SSBD. I do have one question tho. As In the past I
have been using food seal vacuum pack bags. Which i understand are not
as good, but that are very neat and look good. And I like the fact that I
can Vacuum seal stuff. (only cause its cool). Now when using the MBB
for the first time last night I realized that my vacuum sealer did not
work with it. The heat sealer is not designed for it. So I had to use
hair straightener. Not a huge issue.
Now my Question is
obviously MBB is far better and I will from now on be using it. However
if there a good method of making it look neat as well as it working very
well? I just don't think the straighteners made it look very
professional. Only I was not able to vacuum it so it wastes space with
air when packaging things.
Clockwork
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With just a single thread you have almost managed to bring new shipping standards to the whole of SR. Well done!
Meloveyoulongtime samesamebutdifferent!
Now, that...↑.......made me laugh!!!!!!
Brilliant repertoire.
Now, if I could only throw in a 'toodeeptoodeep' into the conversation.........
Let's
not get ahead of ourselves, I believe the majority of vendors have
never heard of MBBs. Though I agree and very much appreciate the effort,
it's not mainstream.
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The list of vendors in the OP grows daily, personally I will not
order from a vendor if they are not using non permeable packaging these
days, it's just not worth the risk of a no show.
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The
list of vendors in the OP grows daily, personally I will not order from
a vendor if they are not using non permeable packaging these days, it's
just not worth the risk of a no show.
AMEN, SSBD.
Perhaps a new thread is in order? An affirmation thread of users that vow that they will not order from a vendor not using MBB.
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Ok
I have just purchased some MBB Military grade roll Off Pluto Pete. It
arrived a few days ago. I have read through the OP. It is very
informative, cheers SSBD. I do have one question tho. As In the past I
have been using food seal vacuum pack bags. Which i understand are not
as good, but that are very neat and look good. And I like the fact that I
can Vacuum seal stuff. (only cause its cool). Now when using the MBB
for the first time last night I realized that my vacuum sealer did not
work with it. The heat sealer is not designed for it. So I had to use
hair straightener. Not a huge issue.
Now my Question is
obviously MBB is far better and I will from now on be using it. However
if there a good method of making it look neat as well as it working very
well? I just don't think the straighteners made it look very
professional. Only I was not able to vacuum it so it wastes space with
air when packaging things.
Clockwork
Any Ideas? Sorry to re post.
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I will leave this question to vendors using the heat seal foil, you
could just pm Pluto Pete and ask them given that's what they use for all
their packaging.
I do know you can buy professional heat sealers
for the foil but they are bloody expensive! hence why many opt for the
hair straightener option.
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Ok
I have just purchased some MBB Military grade roll Off Pluto Pete. It
arrived a few days ago. I have read through the OP. It is very
informative, cheers SSBD. I do have one question tho. As In the past I
have been using food seal vacuum pack bags. Which i understand are not
as good, but that are very neat and look good. And I like the fact that I
can Vacuum seal stuff. (only cause its cool). Now when using the MBB
for the first time last night I realized that my vacuum sealer did not
work with it. The heat sealer is not designed for it. So I had to use
hair straightener. Not a huge issue.
Now my Question is
obviously MBB is far better and I will from now on be using it. However
if there a good method of making it look neat as well as it working very
well? I just don't think the straighteners made it look very
professional. Only I was not able to vacuum it so it wastes space with
air when packaging things.
Clockwork
Any Ideas? Sorry to re post.
Hi man,
I
always get a very neat finish using hair straighteners, I find that if I
turn the heat down a little bit from maximum I get a neater look.
Make up your pouches by cutting neat rectangles and folding in half, then seal both sides.
When
i'm sealing my salvia leaf i squash the pouch between 2 planks leaving
just enough sticking out to seal the top, that gives me flatter pouches
for shipping but wouldn't be any good for buds. If i'm sealing anything
that shouldn't be crushed i seal a bit of air into the pouch.
After
it's all sealed i trim the seals with a blade and stick a sticker on the
pouch, the end result looks like it's just come off a production line
:)
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...In
the past I have been using food seal vacuum pack bags. Which i
understand are not as good, but that are very neat and look good. And I
like the fact that I can Vacuum seal stuff. (only cause its cool). Now
when using the MBB for the first time last night I realized that my
vacuum sealer did not work with it. The heat sealer is not designed for
it.
I
hear there is info on UTube about getting vacuum to work on MBBs. I
have not looked there yet. I think the issue is how smooth the plastic
is (food bags have a textured side). I can crinkle the MBB and get it to
work, but does not always look as professional or it may leave an
imperfection in the seal.
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Have been following this thread since February. Happy to finally
join the discussion. In the proccess of switching to MBB for all pot
deliveries from now on. :-)
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We have been implementing MBB + for the last 2 weeks in addition to supporting documents..
Thanks for your help!
jor
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Ok
I have just purchased some MBB Military grade roll Off Pluto Pete. It
arrived a few days ago. I have read through the OP. It is very
informative, cheers SSBD. I do have one question tho. As In the past I
have been using food seal vacuum pack bags. Which i understand are not
as good, but that are very neat and look good. And I like the fact that I
can Vacuum seal stuff. (only cause its cool). Now when using the MBB
for the first time last night I realized that my vacuum sealer did not
work with it. The heat sealer is not designed for it. So I had to use
hair straightener. Not a huge issue.
Now my Question is
obviously MBB is far better and I will from now on be using it. However
if there a good method of making it look neat as well as it working very
well? I just don't think the straighteners made it look very
professional. Only I was not able to vacuum it so it wastes space with
air when packaging things.
Clockwork
Any Ideas? Sorry to re post.
Hi man,
I
always get a very neat finish using hair straighteners, I find that if I
turn the heat down a little bit from maximum I get a neater look.
Make up your pouches by cutting neat rectangles and folding in half, then seal both sides.
When
i'm sealing my salvia leaf i squash the pouch between 2 planks leaving
just enough sticking out to seal the top, that gives me flatter pouches
for shipping but wouldn't be any good for buds. If i'm sealing anything
that shouldn't be crushed i seal a bit of air into the pouch.
After
it's all sealed i trim the seals with a blade and stick a sticker on the
pouch, the end result looks like it's just come off a production line
:)
You got to love plutopete most helpful person on all matters hat of to you pete
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While it is fantastic that some sellers are raising the bar, a major
responsibility still rests on the buying community at large. For a
while I have been encouraging people to stop the overzealous use of the
word "stealth" in reviews and feedback, on account of the fact that
people are too quick to herald a seller's stealth when it is simply not
the case. If buyers say every seller has great stealth, even sellers
with poor quality stealth will be ordered from under the pretense of
their "good stealthing practices" and no one will the pressure to
improve the quality of their deception. The problem is that buyers are
setting the standard of "good stealth" far too low. I've seen and heard
of some products which were ordered with faith in the "good stealth"
stated in the feedback, only to be surprised it made it all. Only
when the buying community begins to declare the standard they deem
acceptable will the plastic-bag-squished-between-two-pieces-of-paper
sellers (true story) be forced to improve their stealthing on account of
the business lost to their poor practices and the careful vendors.
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We have been implementing MBB + for the last 2 weeks in addition to supporting documents..
Thanks for your help!
jor
Amen!
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...In
the past I have been using food seal vacuum pack bags. Which i
understand are not as good, but that are very neat and look good. And I
like the fact that I can Vacuum seal stuff. (only cause its cool). Now
when using the MBB for the first time last night I realized that my
vacuum sealer did not work with it. The heat sealer is not designed for
it.
I
hear there is info on UTube about getting vacuum to work on MBBs. I
have not looked there yet. I think the issue is how smooth the plastic
is (food bags have a textured side). I can crinkle the MBB and get it to
work, but does not always look as professional or it may leave an
imperfection in the seal.
I heard vac sealing a MMB will cause the seal to eventually rupture, or open up and eventually permeate smell?
Maybe
best to just seal the MMB with product after sealing with standard food
seal? Damn i know this has been mentioned before i'm sure... :P
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I actually read here once how some vendors packages were arriving
with the mylar open! Scary! ...Not sure what they are using but clearly
it isn't working!
I use a vac seal to seal three times, and then apply pressure to ensure that the package does not rupture.
Make sure to make sure your mylar has been properly sealed if you are not using a standard sealer!
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...In
the past I have been using food seal vacuum pack bags. Which i
understand are not as good, but that are very neat and look good. And I
like the fact that I can Vacuum seal stuff. (only cause its cool). Now
when using the MBB for the first time last night I realized that my
vacuum sealer did not work with it. The heat sealer is not designed for
it.
I
hear there is info on UTube about getting vacuum to work on MBBs. I
have not looked there yet. I think the issue is how smooth the plastic
is (food bags have a textured side). I can crinkle the MBB and get it to
work, but does not always look as professional or it may leave an
imperfection in the seal.
I heard vac sealing a MMB will cause the seal to eventually rupture, or open up and eventually permeate smell?
Maybe
best to just seal the MMB with product after sealing with standard food
seal? Damn i know this has been mentioned before i'm sure... :P
Why are people wanting to keep using the vacuum sealer? because it compresses everything?
Most of my orders arrive now double MBB.
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Why are people wanting to keep using the vacuum sealer? because it compresses everything?
Most of my orders arrive now double MBB.
[/quote]
I think so...well at least that's why I use it. Helps squeeze it together, especially if the person orders for compressed buds.
Personally
I vacuum 2x and mylar once. I guess it just feels more secure for me.
Plus the mylar and MBB are a bit harder to obtain, and as such I like to
use just 1 per order.
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Why are people wanting to keep using the vacuum sealer? because it compresses everything?
Most of my orders arrive now double MBB.
Even
with stuff you don't want to crush, light-vacuume is useful when doing
multiple layers of protection to keep the size of the package smaller
(often useful - but not always) or to keep the size of the final MBB
smaller and cheaper. I also wonder if we make a bag like a pillow and
send it on an Airplane, how much pressure they keep in the cargo section
of a cargo plane. Low pressure might pop a bag with too much air in it?
It would not be smart to ship a package to samesamebutdifferent with anything less than double MBB ;-)
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MBB......absolutely fabulous!
Double MBB.......Double Happiness!!
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Double MBB......absolutely fabulous!
looking into PlutoPete's MBB's
is there any difference between MBB and Heat Seal foil?
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looking into PlutoPete's MBB's
is there any difference between MBB and Heat Seal foil?
looking into PlutoPete's MBB's
is there any difference between MBB and Heat Seal foil?
Nope,
MBB's (Moisture Barrier Bags) is simply a name given to a wide range of
products that are designed to prevent moisture from penetrating it's
surface. A wonderful thing about it is that if moisture can't permeate,
neither can air.
A MBB is usually made from bonded layers of
different plastics and a "barrier" layer such as nylon/foil/mylar/tyvek.
That's why you might see people refer to Mylar bags instead.
Foil
is the best barrier layer of them all and I believe Pluto Petes foil
material has more different layers than what's normally found on the
market, which can only be a good thing. Just be aware that you're
ordering from someone who knows what you're going to be using it for. So
take some precautions with regards to the shipping name/address you
use. (sorry Pete, you're probably a stand up bloke on all accounts but
people should never be complacent)
Stay Safe
Laissez-Faire
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looking into PlutoPete's MBB's
is there any difference between MBB and Heat Seal foil?
looking into PlutoPete's MBB's
is there any difference between MBB and Heat Seal foil?
Nope,
MBB's (Moisture Barrier Bags) is simply a name given to a wide range of
products that are designed to prevent moisture from penetrating it's
surface. A wonderful thing about it is that if moisture can't permeate,
neither can air.
A MBB is usually made from bonded layers of
different plastics and a "barrier" layer such as nylon/foil/mylar/tyvek.
That's why you might see people refer to Mylar bags instead.
Foil
is the best barrier layer of them all and I believe Pluto Petes foil
material has more different layers than what's normally found on the
market, which can only be a good thing. Just be aware that you're
ordering from someone who knows what you're going to be using it for. So
take some precautions with regards to the shipping name/address you
use. (sorry Pete, you're probably a stand up bloke on all accounts but
people should never be complacent)
Stay Safe
Laissez-Faire
Thanks. and yeah. pgp is a must. pluto seems pretty awesome so far though
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This is a great thread samesame :)
I don't know why I didn't
see it before now, I think I developed "sticky blindness" while visiting
different subforums (sounds an awful tropical disease! :o )
I'm noting things down and taking notes all the way :)
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This is a great thread samesame :)
I
don't know why I didn't see it before now, I think I developed "sticky
blindness" while visiting different subforums (sounds an awful tropical
disease! :o )
I'm noting things down and taking notes all the way :)
thanks
pine, it seems to be getting some traction now judging by the number of
vendors making the change, its a deal breaker for me now when ordering,
no MBB no sale.
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How to get into this MBB vendor club?
If i ever did see such a thing... I am only using MBB bags from now on and can have future customers verify that!
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How to get into this MBB vendor club?
If i ever did see such a thing... I am only using MBB bags from now on and can have future customers verify that!
Added Countdown :)
OP
updated with more vendors for you to chose from including
Lloydsbrothers, a good source of quality coke if you are into that sort
of thing ;D
Keep making the change over vendors, more are coming on board each day.
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Subbing to this very informational thread! Thank you SSBD.
Also,
would it be a lot of trouble to list the vendors in alphabetical order
in the OP? It would be much easier to check if a specific vendor is
using MBB, especially when the list is growing every day.
Love Inc, a librarian for more than 10 years, would love this1 :D
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I just load the first page and ctrl+f.
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Glad to join the MBB Club!
Onwards and upwards!!
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Glad to join the MBB Club!
Onwards and upwards!!
Still awaiting the arrival of my MBB from PlutoPete. absolutely ecstatic about it:)
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Subbing to this very informational thread! Thank you SSBD.
Also,
would it be a lot of trouble to list the vendors in alphabetical order
in the OP? It would be much easier to check if a specific vendor is
using MBB, especially when the list is growing every day.
Love Inc, a librarian for more than 10 years, would love this1 :D
1. 4sale
2. Angel Eyes
3. ashylarry
4. BashfulBetty
5. Best Dutch Drugs
6. Budworx UK
7. Bungee54
8. caman
9. Countdown2013
10. cyanspore
11. ForeverJung
12. globalshipping
13. Goldust
14. ItalianMafiaBrussels
15. Lloydsbrothers
16. MaidMandy
17. MainStay
18. MDUK
19. MedicalM
20. NorCalKing (NCK)
21. NW Nugz
22. pkizenko98
23. PlutoPete
24. reich
25. SimplyTheBest
26. subtickle
27. Synthiotics
28. White Shark
29. XXXotica
Yeah I was thinking I should get around to doing that as it goes but I know it'll upset NW Nugs :(
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Hey there - just a reminder that we have been using MBB for all
orders for the last 5 weeks, and all orders have this as minimum from
then onwards.
There are also various levels of disguise used.
jor
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Hello,
We have also been using them for the last 4
weeks......I love them.....very easy to use, and they slide into
padded envelopes very nice.
We have over 300 successful packages delivered in 7 weeks on SR now.....thanks for all the information.
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Subbing to this very informational thread! Thank you SSBD.
Also,
would it be a lot of trouble to list the vendors in alphabetical order
in the OP? It would be much easier to check if a specific vendor is
using MBB, especially when the list is growing every day.
Love Inc, a librarian for more than 10 years, would love this1 :D
1. 4sale
2. Angel Eyes
3. ashylarry
4. BashfulBetty
5. Best Dutch Drugs
6. Budworx UK
7. Bungee54
8. caman
9. Countdown2013
10. cyanspore
11. ForeverJung
12. globalshipping
13. Goldust
14. ItalianMafiaBrussels
15. Lloydsbrothers
16. MaidMandy
17. MainStay
18. MDUK
19. MedicalM
20. NorCalKing (NCK)
21. NW Nugz
22. pkizenko98
23. PlutoPete
24. reich
25. SimplyTheBest
26. subtickle
27. Synthiotics
28. White Shark
29. XXXotica
Excellent work.
Great to see these Vendors on board.
Extrapolating
the idea even further......wouldn't it be good if the Vendor listing
(on SR) had an identifier indicating that a Vendor impelments the use of
MBB's.
This would, in my opinion, further increase the requirement for better stealth upon the Vendor community.
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Hey
there - just a reminder that we have been using MBB for all orders for
the last 5 weeks, and all orders have this as minimum from then onwards.
There are also various levels of disguise used.
jor
Sorry JOR, added you now!
I will edit the OP to make it alphabetical order in the next few days.
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samesamebutdifferent (Hugs)
:)
i'll utilize this as soon
as i get my vendor page up and running..still have some things to
research such as selling my bitcoins back to the SR community LOL
geez i could keep talkin cuz i'm excited LOL
Peace & Thanks,
ChemCat O0
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would a MBB look like a dark mass if it went thru an xray machine?
say
if it was holding a key would the key show thru the mbb on the xray?
and what would mbb look like on and xray machine compared to paper or
other materials?
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would a MBB look like a dark mass if it went thru an xray machine?
say
if it was holding a key would the key show thru the mbb on the xray?
and what would mbb look like on and xray machine compared to paper or
other materials?
MBB or vac seal, if your package gets x-rayed looking for drugs you're done.
I have yet to see concealment that would get through an x-ray.
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Subbing to this very informational thread! Thank you SSBD.
Also,
would it be a lot of trouble to list the vendors in alphabetical order
in the OP? It would be much easier to check if a specific vendor is
using MBB, especially when the list is growing every day.
Love Inc, a librarian for more than 10 years, would love this1 :D
1. 4sale
2. Angel Eyes
3. ashylarry
4. BashfulBetty
5. Best Dutch Drugs
6. Budworx UK
7. Bungee54
8. caman
9. Countdown2013
10. cyanspore
11. ForeverJung
12. globalshipping
13. Goldust
14. ItalianMafiaBrussels
15. Lloydsbrothers
16. MaidMandy
17. MainStay
18. MDUK
19. MedicalM
20. NorCalKing (NCK)
21. NW Nugz
22. pkizenko98
23. PlutoPete
24. reich
25. SimplyTheBest
26. subtickle
27. Synthiotics
28. White Shark
29. XXXotica
Yeah I was thinking I should get around to doing that as it goes but I know it'll upset NW Nugs :(
True,
I was nervous when I read the Librarian's request ;-) How about put it
up both ways? If not, do what you thinks best for SR. I can take the
"hit" as I think I'm getting too popular anyway. Top of a big list may
be a bit too much attention for me in this realm.
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Great advice...and this new vendor has already invested in MBB from the very first order... :)
Thanks for the depth of discussion to everyone on this...very informed.
Hoping to enjoy a stealthy experience with all the best on SR
:)
Doc
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would a MBB look like a dark mass if it went thru an xray machine?
say
if it was holding a key would the key show thru the mbb on the xray?
and what would mbb look like on and xray machine compared to paper or
other materials?
Nope,
an xray would pass through MBB because its not dense enough to affect
it. Xrays can pass through thin sheets of steel these days, but they'll
look darker because they're more dense than paper etc.
You
wouldn't want anything to ship things in a way that would stop an xray
from passing through it because that would be suspicious as hell and
would certainly be opened and physically examined.
For most
intents and purposes (letters, small parcels etc) simply packing it to
blend in with normal mail is the best thing to do.
If you're
smuggling large amounts of drugs (kilos/tonnes etc) you'll want to make
the drugs look like a different organic material than it is so when it
does get x-rayed they think its whatever you've pretended it to be.
EG
breaking down kilos of cocaine into ounce-sized balls and shipping them
within bags of coal or BBQ charcoal. Make the balls of cocaine the same
size and shape as the coal and it'll all look the same under x-ray
because they're both organic compounds.
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That's a decent sized list considering this thread has only been here for 3 months.. Momentum well and truly gaining.
Hats
off to all the vendors that actually give a shit about customer safety.
Shows they are willing to embrace change as well. Cheers people!
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MBB came in:)
Much love SR crew:)
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Has anyone a view or feedback on the "smelly proof" range of bags...?
I'm
told they are developed for keeping camper's food out of the noses of
nearby bears... (WTF!!?) :) but seriously they seem an excellent
option..anyone have any reliable info on how they compare to metal foil
solutions or triple vac?
Thanks all
Doc
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I hear at least some of the bear-proof-type camper smell protection
type bags are a couple layers with activated carbon in between. At least
one layer being MBB and a ZipLock top.
The activated carbon is kinda
spendy in bulk where I found it available. For long shipping times with
very smelly stuff that could be worth the effort. I would get small
granular stuff for a lot of surface area and to avoid a dusty mess when
opening. sadly, I bet the carbon does look like drugs on an xray
scanner. Two layers of properly-sealed 3M 3000+ series MBBs would seem
like plenty to me for first class or faster mail, even internationally.
Maybe you would need charcoal to beat the dogs though if they are giving
the pack a serious sniff?
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I use a standard ziplock bag which has been wiped down with
sterilizer wipes which is then carefully placed inside a MBB with a
ziplock top.
I then throw in a little 'Open letter stealth' which
is enough for me to say I am ahead half the vendors when it comes to
domestic.. Not to mention competition is almost non-existent in
Newzealand.
Not a chance when competing with Countdown2013!
silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/a2af6de8b7
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I
use a standard ziplock bag which has been wiped down with sterilizer
wipes which is then carefully placed inside a MBB with a ziplock top....
I'm not sure I trust the ziplock top. I wonder if the sterilizer is for killing bacteria and
does not remove smells (only covers them with new smells)? Glad you are making the effort though :-)
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Yeah the ziptop adds a little bulk to the letters and can't be as good a protection as heat sealing.
Will get the heal sealable ones next time for sure , an Is it much better to vacuum seal before placing inside MBB?
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For the librarians out there the OP listing is now in alphabetical
order with the exception of NW Nugs who retains their spot at the top of
the list simply because they were the first to get behind this sticky
and get listed.
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multiple layers MBB since day 1 here
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MBB , Professional labels , all the other niceties. Can't go wrong really !
So great to be serving the community :)
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I've noticed that Ganja Man(100) is also using MBB's in
conjunction with Vac Seal with typical Business labels for his
Philippine Hash.
;) ;) ;)
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Such good advice and links guys...really appreciate the effort everyone goes to.
For me I am now settled...
Plastic vac as first containment and reduction in footprint.
Into a MBB...sealed with heat.
Then
either a standard business envelope with a printed label for small
quantities - that is fairly easy and I think quite secure.
Or a jiffy if it's a little bulky...
On
the last...any tips on additional simple concealment? Was thinking to
pack with something else but don't want to draw attention with, say some
old circuit boards etc...
Any bright ideas from the SR?
I hope the protocol is ok to ask this detail..if not, just let me know
:)
Doc
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...Is it much better to vacuum seal before placing inside MBB?
In
theory, vac. does not keep the smell in better. It does help you know
if you have a leak and can reduce volume and can change the feel of the
pack. Different products and different stealth strategies make the
answer about the usefulness of Vac. sealing a "depends on the
situation". I believe buyers often prefer it for what can sometimes be
mostly psychological reasons. We probably could use a new thread full of
opinions about what vac. is and is not good for. Maybe:
STEALTH THAT WORKS - when to Keep THE PE FOOD GRADE VAC SEALer for the first layer? :-)
And, Thanks samesamebutdifferent for the ongoing special recognition in the OP listing :-)
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After much reading, can someone confirm that the 3m Dri-shield 2000
3x5 bags can simply be sealed by applying a hair straightener to the
open end for a few seconds?
And that can eliminate the need for a vac seal?
This would apply to small amounts(1g) of c.
It's that easy?
About to begin the journey as a vendor and want to be perfectly clear without exposing people to any shipping dangers.
Thanks for any help and major props to the OP.
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...On
the last...any tips on additional simple concealment? Was thinking to
pack with something else but don't want to draw attention with, say some
old circuit boards etc...
Opinion:
I
would avoid liquids, things that seem like they might be bomb parts
(circuit boards), DVD cases that suggest possible pirated software, pill
bottles and other stuff that might offend powerful forces like
drug/software companies. Could be good to do harmless, low-value items
that USPS can identify by the shape even through the package - so they
can feel smart about knowing what's in it?(detail omitted).
Probably
a bad idea for many reasons, but I wonder if they ever x-ray live
animal pets? Seems like they would at least deserve the same lead
blanket we get at the dentist :-) I can imagine my "add an elephant for
stealth: $18,000" shipping option might not be real popular though ;-)
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After
much reading, can someone confirm that the 3m Dri-shield 2000 3x5 bags
can simply be sealed by applying a hair straightener to the open end for
a few seconds?
And that can eliminate the need for a vac seal?
This would apply to small amounts(1g) of c.
It's that easy? ...
As mentioned above, vacuum can be useful. For instance, vac can keep powders from shifting into a lump/bulge as easily.
I
got a hair straightener as a backup in case of technical failure and
can report the one I got can get much hotter than is needed to seal the
2000 series bags and much hotter than any impulse sealer I have tried so
far (only one). It might even be better for small bags with a top that
is not as wide as the hot part of the straightener is long (around 4
inches). If you are going to do a lot of them, though, a sealer you can
lean your weight onto may turn out to be more enjoyable than one you
theoretically need to squeeze repetitively with a hand or two.
Mine does claim to be one of the hottest.
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After
much reading, can someone confirm that the 3m Dri-shield 2000 3x5 bags
can simply be sealed by applying a hair straightener to the open end for
a few seconds?
And that can eliminate the need for a vac seal?
This would apply to small amounts(1g) of c.
It's that easy? ...
As mentioned above, vacuum can be useful. For instance, vac can keep powders from shifting into a lump/bulge as easily.
I
got a hair straightener as a backup in case of technical failure and
can report the one I got can get much hotter than is needed to seal the
2000 series bags and much hotter than any impulse sealer I have tried so
far (only one). It might even be better for small bags with a top that
is not as wide as the hot part of the straightener is long (around 4
inches). If you are going to do a lot of them, though, a sealer you can
lean your weight onto may turn out to be more enjoyable than one you
theoretically need to squeeze repetitively with a hand or two.
Mine does claim to be one of the hottest.
Thanks for the info Nugz!
I
have been a buyer here since the beginning and have seen every possible
shipping method and never had a lost package(except min(ouch)). I just
want to be safe and secure for the buyers without trying 10 different
methods. The time factor for packaging is important as well for me, as I
have a excellent product source but also a busy life. I don't mind
spending on equipment to seal but also do not want to over do it with
five layers of plastic and foil. As I am sure you and others
do.
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After
much reading, can someone confirm that the 3m Dri-shield 2000 3x5 bags
can simply be sealed by applying a hair straightener to the open end for
a few seconds?
And that can eliminate the need for a vac seal?
This would apply to small amounts(1g) of c.
It's that easy?
About to begin the journey as a vendor and want to be perfectly clear without exposing people to any shipping dangers.
Thanks for any help and major props to the OP.
Yes they can be sealed with a hair straightener :) Just get a good brand one that heats up good!
You can start buy getting a gallon or 5 litre bottle of IPA and some ziplock bags.
1. place your merchandise in ziplock
1.1 (optional) you can press the bag and merchandise flat if you want
2. close ziplock and wipe with paper moistened with IPA and let evaporate
3. place in MBB and seal
4. Wipe with paper towel moistened with IPA or wash in a dishwasher
5. (optional) apply another layer of MBB and repeat step 4
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After
much reading, can someone confirm that the 3m Dri-shield 2000 3x5 bags
can simply be sealed by applying a hair straightener to the open end for
a few seconds?
And that can eliminate the need for a vac seal?
This would apply to small amounts(1g) of c.
It's that easy?
About to begin the journey as a vendor and want to be perfectly clear without exposing people to any shipping dangers.
Thanks for any help and major props to the OP.
Yes they can be sealed with a hair straightener :) Just get a good brand one that heats up good!
You can start buy getting a gallon or 5 litre bottle of IPA and some ziplock bags.
1. place your merchandise in ziplock
1.1 (optional) you can press the bad and merchandise flat if you want
2. close ziplock and wipe with paper moistened with IPA and let evaporate
3. place in MBB and seal
4. Wipe with paper towel moistened with IPA or wash in a dishwasher
5. (optional) apply another layer of MBB and repeat step 4
Thank you so much for the perfect instructions.
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We implemented the use of thick layer MBB Mylar bags 3 weeks ago, we
use one layer vac seal and one layer MBB, works a charm I think, makes
the packages thicker though. But in all honesty we weren´t getting
enough lost packages to tell the difference. The scammers still try it
though ;)
ACE
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Just experimented with the 3m 3"x5" 2000 mbb bags and my wife's hair straightener set on medium.
I
poured some strong perfume into a small ziplock and a perfume soaked
tissue, heated/sealed the open end, and wiped it with ipa.
Then put it under a weight in the sink.
After 30 minutes under water I pulled it out and you cannot smell a damn thing. Pretty amazing.
I also put one under water for 30 mins with a dry tissue and it came out perfectly dry.
The
time it takes to prepare these is a fraction of vac seal. I plan on
shipping small amounts of powder/flattened rocks, so I do not feel that a
vac seal will help conceal anything.
I plan on double layering these for customers.
Anyone disagree?
One
additional note: These bags have a "lot" number printed that comes off
when wiped with alcohol but it is indented into the foil. My solution is
to just cut the bag off at the lot number and use that as the seal
point.
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3M Lot #'s
I think the bags are made in very large numbers and
there are many many bags with the same number on them sold widely. If LE
was selling all of one lot# from EBAY or SR or...., the Lot # could be
used to cause trouble. I doubt companies selling the bags by the
hundreds even track who buys what lot #, if they even know what lot#s
they sell. I think the numbers are for quality control in case they get a
bad batch. I'm just guessing though, so, being safer than I think is
necessary is probably a good idea :-)
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I've
noticed that Ganja Man(100) is also using MBB's in conjunction with Vac
Seal with typical Business labels for his Philippine Hash.
;) ;) ;)
I can attest for GM's stealth and the MBB's. That guy's amazing.
BTW, great thread. +1s all over the place.
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3M Lot #'s
I
think the bags are made in very large numbers and there are many many
bags with the same number on them sold widely. If LE was selling all of
one lot# from EBAY or SR or...., the Lot # could be used to cause
trouble. I doubt companies selling the bags by the hundreds even track
who buys what lot #, if they even know what lot#s they sell. I think the
numbers are for quality control in case they get a bad batch. I'm just
guessing though, so, being safer than I think is necessary is probably a
good idea :-)
The bags I use don't have any numbering on them, they're also thicker than the Dri-shield bags as far as I can tell ;D
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I have some anti-static, MBB bags - kind you use for computers. I got them on the net somewhere awhile back.
When
I use them with my seal-a-meal, the air does not get pumped out. This
is probably due to the fact they are so flat it creates a perfect seal
just on the gasket.
Does anyone have a way to get them to work
correctly? I have tried crinkling/folding the top so the bag would have a
'air-river'. But no luck.
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I have some anti-static, MBB bags - kind you use for computers. I got them on the net somewhere awhile back.
When
I use them with my seal-a-meal, the air does not get pumped out. This
is probably due to the fact they are so flat it creates a perfect seal
just on the gasket.
Does anyone have a way to get them to work
correctly? I have tried crinkling/folding the top so the bag would have a
'air-river'. But no luck.
The
3m mbb bags work great if you hold it down flat with one hand and let
the open end hang off the edge of a flat surface/table while crimping
the open end with a hair straightener. Mine come out nice and flat with
no "bubble" in the middle.
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I have some anti-static, MBB bags - kind you use for computers. I got them on the net somewhere awhile back.
When
I use them with my seal-a-meal, the air does not get pumped out. This
is probably due to the fact they are so flat it creates a perfect seal
just on the gasket.
Does anyone have a way to get them to work
correctly? I have tried crinkling/folding the top so the bag would have a
'air-river'. But no luck.
Someone
said UTube had videos with how-to on that. I have not checked. I was
able to get them to work with a crinkle strategy, but it left a crinkle I
did not trust or think looked "pro". Might try one of the tiny coffee
stirrer straws some markets have out with the coffee? Crushing the
contents can get kinda close to vacuumed if such crushing works for your
product. Also, vac. is not really needed for smell containment - as has
been mentioned in many of these threads.
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goin on vacation soon (flying / airport) ... want to take goodies
with me ... thanks to this thread i know food vac seal is no good
choice.
could i just take the bag from my new graphic card for this? would try sealing with clothing iron...
EDIT: some1 gave me minus karma for this post -- rofl
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Most computer cards are in the thinner, see-through type (like scc 1000) static bags.
For smell control, I think they are a lot better than food bags, though, not top of the line. Maybe, double bag/seal it.
I'm not saying they will not see it, though. I think beating airplane security would be a whole 'nother thread.
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Thanks for your answer NW Nugz. Of course airport is a whole
different story. However i was searching for something smell proof for
checked luggage. Having read on wikipedia there are 4 types of ESD: S D C
F with S beeing best (shielding). Computer equipment seems to be
packaged in the low category.
Will order some bags S type they are not that expensive. 'Better safe than sorry'
EDIT: Attention sellers!
normal ESD (even S type) bags are not moisture barrier bags!! they are only for static shielding and are not smell prove!
MBB are harder to find and normally selled only in bulk amounts (min. 100 pieces)...
for buyers security ...
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We would like to make sure we are recognized for using MBB's.
We use at least two MBB's per order. We have never sent an order out without them.
The
only proper way to seal them is with the Heat Sealer sold by many of
the same companies who sell the MBB's. (~$70) Adjustable heat settings
and an 8" wide mouth. Sometimes the MBB supplier is a small "mom
and pop" type shop. Stay away. Look for bigger reseller/wholesalers.
Just my advice.
Scrap vaccing the product as well. It only
creates more surface area for oils to penetrate any bags your currently
using (Foodsaver etc)
Thanks. LTC
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...
Will order some bags S type they are not that expensive. 'Better safe than sorry'
EDIT: Attention sellers!
normal ESD (even S type) bags are not moisture barrier bags!! they are only for static shielding and are not smell prove!
MBB are harder to find and normally selled only in bulk amounts (min. 100 pieces)...
As I said above:
"Most
computer cards are in the thinner, see-through type (like scc 1000)
static bags." (these are probably the "S" type you were referring to -
scc1000) I think they are more smell proof than food-grade bags.
3M
brand Dri-Shield 2000 and higher are the real deal. Cheaper generic
versions are out there as well and may be good - and - have no lot
number. I tend to go with a brand name when it is this important.
...
The
only proper way to seal them is with the Heat Sealer sold by many of
the same companies who sell the MBB's. (~$70) Adjustable heat settings
and an 8" wide mouth.
ULine
carries a few choices of "impulse sealers". Ones will a cutting blade
are probably very preferrable for looking professional. The blue one
(16" wide, $250+/-) set on high is good for drishield 2000 but not sure
the 16+" wide ones are hot enough for the 3000 series. The orange one
for around $300 looks to be "pro" for our purposes. If you get a 16"
sealer, don't expect 16" bags to really fit it well. Most bags are
measured by inside distances. It is important to always press the
impulse sealers down for a couple seconds after the heating light turns
off - unless you have it set a bit too hot for speed.
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Add me to the list as well please!
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I skimmed through the recent offerings of the vendors on the first page and here's what I found.
MDMA
==================
ashylarry (US to US)
ForeverJung (US to US)
4sale (UK to WW)
Goldust (UK to WW)
Lloydsbrothers (UK to WW)
MDUK (UK to WW)
reich (UK to WW)
jesusofrave (UK to WW/EU)
Budworx UK (UK to WW/EU)
MaidMandy (Ireland to WW)
Bungee54 (Belgium to WW)
ItalianMafiaBrussels (Belgium to WW)
Best Dutch Drugs (NL to WW)
Snythiotics (AUS to AUS)
Cannabis
==================
ashylarry (US to US)
NorCalKing (US to US)
NW Nugz (US to US)
ForeverJung (US to US)
Angel Eyes (US to ?)
XXXotica (US to US/EU/CAN)
Budwork UK (UK to WW/EU)
jesusofrave (UK to WW/EU)
caman (? to WW?)
BashfulBetty (Canada to WW)
White Shark (Canada to WW except US)
SimplyTheBest (Czech to WW except US)
Chems (2C's, mephedrone, DMT, etc)
==================
ForeverJung (US to US)
globalshipping (Portugal to WW)
Goldust (UK to WW)
PlutoPete (UK to WW)
MaidMandy (Ireland to WW)
ItalianMafiaBrussels (Belgium to WW)
Countdown2013 (NZ to NZ)
Coke
==================
Bungee54 (Belgium to WW)
ItalianMafiaBrussels (Belgium to WW)
Lloydsbrothers (UK to WW)
subtickle (UK to WW)
LSD
==================
Mainstay (US to US)
subtickle (UK to WW)
jesusofrave (UK to WW/EU)
Countdown 2013 (NZ to NZ)
Speed
==================
Budworx UK (UK to WW/EU)
Bungee54 (Belgium to WW)
Shrooms
==================
Cyanspore (US to WW)
MainStay (US to US)
RX
==================
Budworx UK (UK to WW/EU, viagra)
Countdown2013 (NZ to NZ, benzos)
Ketamine
==================
globalshipping (Portugal to WW)
subtickle (UK to WW)
GHB
==================
ForeverJung (US to US)
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Add me to the list as well please!
Done :)
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Subtickle for MDMA and 2C-B, incredible stealth
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My shipping will be update to date soon. Always looking to get better then yesterday.
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Could you add me to your list?
One month in and fully MBB :)
Your thread has been valuable - thanks.
Doc
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Kindly add Ganja Man to the list. Thank you!
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If there is demand, I could supply vacuum packers (2.5 BTC) and impulse sealers (2 BTC) that work with MBBs. Is there?
Vendors buying equipment or supplies from SR is very risky unless you
have a great place to mail stuff not linked to yourself or....
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I've been messaged with some questions regarding my MBB's and asked to post replies here for everyone :)
The
Military grade foil is made using 5 layers of materials compared to 3
layers for the usual foil bags, this makes it considerably stonger than
the ready made bags but it doesn't really improve smell protection as
they all provide total smellproofing :)
All my listed MBB's are the
same, but the term MBB covers a wide range of products with a wide range
of protection. The lowest protection is just plastic like vacuum bags,
then metallic plastic which looks like very shiny metal but is really a
coated plastic and these can be seen through if held up to the light.
Then comes the usual 3ply foil bags which are 2 layers of plastic/nylon
and one layer of aluminium and finally the Military Grade Foil which has
4 different plastic/nylon layers and one aluminium layer.
The width
of the seals vary between 5mm and 10mm, the smaller size bags having the
thinnest seals, I don't have time to measure the internal dimensions of
all the bags but as an example i'll measure one size.
The 8cm x 12cm
bag actually measures 81mm x 121.5mm. The bottom seal is 10mm, one side
seam is 7.5mm and the other side seam is 5.5mm. The internal
measurement is 68mm, the other internal measurement is governed by how
wide a seal you use to close the bag.
This is a very simplified
breakdown and doesn't take into account the various types of plastic
used, but it should suffice to give you a general idea :)
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Can you add us? Weed UK -> UK :)
Thanks!
WBWG x
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does MBB protect from xray?
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does MBB protect from xray?
not at all
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does MBB protect from xray?
If
it did that in itself would be a problem as any 'shadows' on the x-ray
will result in further inspection. MBB keeps the dogs off the scent thus
drastically reducing the chances of your letter mail getting put
through the scanners. If it gets singled out for a closer look then you
would need some ninja level internal stealth to beat customs and good
luck with that.
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Hey guys!
Wanted to let you all know that our vendor account,
Purptree4me, sends bulk pot listings using heat seal foil. We have been
EXTREMELY happy with the results! Thank you all that put in the work on
this thread to make it possible. This information has been invaluable
to us, and makes the process more reliable. Thanks again!
SSBD,
If you could add us to the front page, we'd really appreciate it. We
will have reviews up by Monday-Tuesday we hope that will verify this on
the receiving end :)
Best,
Dabdiego / Purptree4me
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OP updated with new vendors :)
dabdiego, where is the link to your vendor page?
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mrouid started using mbb too just recently.
Here's a link to his vendor account:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/8b6739d06a
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OP updated with new vendors :)
dabdiego, where is the link to your vendor page?
Hey SSBD,
Sorry,
a bit of a brain fart on that one :D Here is the link to our
page. Reviews will be coming in the next day or two. Packaged over 20
units today using the foil, we fall in love more and more every day lol!
Thanks again for this awesome thread, it has been a lifesaver.
VENDOR PAGE: silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/bfbdfedfb8
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OP updated with new vendors :)
dabdiego, where is the link to your vendor page?
Hey SSBD,
Sorry,
a bit of a brain fart on that one :D Here is the link to our
page. Reviews will be coming in the next day or two. Packaged over 20
units today using the foil, we fall in love more and more every day lol!
Thanks again for this awesome thread, it has been a lifesaver.
VENDOR PAGE: silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/bfbdfedfb8
Done :)
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Good news...
Not only satisfied with triple packing and
MBB...have now taken full advice and research on the quality bags out
there and had a nice big box arrive full of 3M 2000 :) yeah!! Very
happy...
So, can now fully subscribe to bag, 3M MBB, second vac seal bag...then into the envelope/package....etc etc
Glad to be a fully paid up member of the quality stealth brigade - implemented 100% today :)
Cheers
Doc
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Good news...
Not
only satisfied with triple packing and MBB...have now taken full advice
and research on the quality bags out there and had a nice big box
arrive full of 3M 2000 :) yeah!! Very happy...
So, can now fully subscribe to bag, 3M MBB, second vac seal bag...then into the envelope/package....etc etc
Glad to be a fully paid up member of the quality stealth brigade - implemented 100% today :)
Cheers
Doc
Whats
the point in a vac seal around the MBB? It just seems a waste of time
and resources to us, the MBB stops aroma/moisture so what point is there
in another seal around it unless you've not sealed the MBB right?
We not knocking you just want to know if there's an actual reason so we judge if we should move to it too.
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Hi - the MBB doesn't vac in my process, so the added vac is simply a
"wrapping" which gently (the important word) compresses the shipment -
many like light compression on weed and the preservation of flake/rock
on coke...this method seems to strike a good balance...the added layer
of plastic also disguises the smaller MBB to the exact size of my
packaging (improving stealth in my opinion)
Hope that makes sense...I vary the process occasionally to try new ideas - my covert packaging is really innovative... ;)
Cheers
Doc
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When I created this sticky several months ago I had no idea a time
would come when vendors were conversing over the finer points of MBB vrs
vac seal combos and there would be 30+ vendors listed in the OP using
safer shipping methods, what an awesome community we have here :)
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All credit to you samesame....
Been a really valuable thread for me and I'm trying to give back as much as I can to this little community...so thanks
Doc
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Hi all,
Here is my plan, I am going to use to use the following packing method:
Outer case: http://www.kitepackaging.co.uk/scp/postal-envelopes/cd-and-dvd-mailing-boxes/
Inner Case: Standard DVD case
DVD Case Document clip: 3m double barrier bag (air tight)
DVD Case DVD clip: Free DVD (porn,os,game ... whatever)
I
am selling green, how would you rate this as a stealh package? it does
fit within the size and weight constraints in the first post on
here
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Just received from uhrwerk in double MBB.
Profile:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/2a1fca953b
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It's incredibly unwise to post your packaging details on a public forum.
Ah I will go with my other plan then did not think it through :-|
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Hi all,
Here is my plan, I am going to use to use the following packing method:
Outer case: http://www.kitepackaging.co.uk/scp/postal-envelopes/cd-and-dvd-mailing-boxes/
Inner Case: Standard DVD case
DVD Case Document clip: 3m double barrier bag (air tight)
DVD Case DVD clip: Free DVD (porn,os,game ... whatever)
I
am selling green, how would you rate this as a stealh package? it does
fit within the size and weight constraints in the first post on
here
Terrible idea, will stick out like a sore thumb on a scan and dvd's get checked a lot by some countries for porn and piracy.
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Hi all,
Here is my plan, I am going to use to use the following packing method:
Outer case: http://www.kitepackaging.co.uk/scp/postal-envelopes/cd-and-dvd-mailing-boxes/
Inner Case: Standard DVD case
DVD Case Document clip: 3m double barrier bag (air tight)
DVD Case DVD clip: Free DVD (porn,os,game ... whatever)
I
am selling green, how would you rate this as a stealh package? it does
fit within the size and weight constraints in the first post on
here
Terrible idea, will stick out like a sore thumb on a scan and dvd's get checked a lot by some countries for porn and piracy.
^^^ This
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Ah ok dokey :) thank you for the help
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Props for this thread samesame!!
Highly imperative!!
I can vouch for KingoftheTrill..
every order I've gotten from him had multiple MBB layers..
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I can vouch for KingoftheTrill..
every order I've gotten from him had multiple MBB layers..
Concur.
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Props for this thread samesame!!
Highly imperative!!
I can vouch for KingoftheTrill..
every order I've gotten from him had multiple MBB layers..
Thanks for reminding me murderface! will get them added to the OP :)
and
the list just keeps on growing... the list of vendors who do not use
MBB will soon be shorter than the list of those who do!
MBB is the standard now, do not accept anything less.
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Hello!
New vendor here by the name of Cork1Screw and I'd like
to join the club. I'm offering high quality organic weed within the
u.s. All of my packages will be shipped with a minimum of one layer of
MBB, with the option for a double layer for an additional $0.75~
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/11e4008097
In
the next few hours I will be putting up some AAA quarters in limited
quantity at "new vendor special" prices so that I can get some feedback
rolling in.
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Just wanted to say I received a package from puff daddy and the mylar was not sealer properly
His
stuff is DANK so it wreaked right through the bag. I could smell pot as
soon as I approached my mailbox. Thank god I was not on vacation and
sending the order over seas.
Please please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make sure that you seal properly.
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Just wanted to say I received a package from puff daddy and the mylar was not sealer properly
His
stuff is DANK so it wreaked right through the bag. I could smell pot as
soon as I approached my mailbox. Thank god I was not on vacation and
sending the order over seas.
Please please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make sure that you seal properly.
We
can relate to this post, and thought we'd share our experiences for
other vendors using MBBs. We use heat seal foil, but assume it is
the same idea for all heat sealed materials. To properly seal make sure
the seal is atleast a 1/2 - 1 inch thick. We trim it down a bit from
there to make the edges look nicer but you want to have a sturdy edge to
work off of. Any wrinkles or creases in the bag on either side can
create pockets of air which might allow smell to get through. Heating
over these does seal them, but we aren't convinced it's the same. Make
sure to take the time to line up the fabric so there will be no room for
error. Hope this helps, and people needing more personal assistance can
feel free to message us, we don't mind helping you out with whatever
advice we can offer.
Best,
Purptree4me / Dabdiego
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Hey SSBD,
We are exclusively using MBBs for all of our orders. We
sell 84% + MDMA. Please add us to your list. Our vendor page is:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/e867ef394c
Thanks for putting this tread together,
--Express Connect
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3 new vendors added to the list, welcome KingoftheTrill, Express Connect and Cork1Screw :)
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Finally reached 50 posts and we would like to officially be added to the list of vendors using MBBs. :)
We've
been using two layers of MBBs where one of them is the Heat Seal Foil -
Military Grade 1m x 1m:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/3e10560aef which is also the
best one available at the moment as can be seen here:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=119458.msg1205751#msg1205751
We only ship domestically within Sweden at the moment but we plan to
further our range when we have enough packaging experience and enough
envelope/parcel types to not risk profiling - we will most likely add a
third MBB layer as default for any non-domestic orders then.
I
would say after having worked with this material for a while the only
possible drawbacks are user generated. In other words, bad seals due to
bad sealing equipment and bad procedures for packaging which might lead
to drug residue getting on the outside of a MBB are the only problems as
far as I see it. From my thread Drug Imitation Materials:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=173839.msg1249906#msg1249906
catalan got me thinking we've might not have considered the drug
residue issue to the fullest extent, we will try and implement some
procedure involving using isotropic alcohol as suggested by
samesamebutdifferent in
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=119458.msg807256#msg807256
to solve this problem. ;)
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Hey SSBD,
I've been a Marijuana vendor on the road for about
two months now. All my packages are sealed with one mylar layer over two
food grade plastic layers with the option for the buyer to buy as many
as they like. I've had people get 8 extra layers, so 9 in total.
So far I have 100% feedback rating and everyone says my stealth is top notch. This is a review from today
"Stealth:
5/5 I'm always more hesitant ordering bud, but Jenkins knows what he's
doing and has it down to a science. The first vendor I ordered had some
good stealth, but now I know what great stealth is.."
Here's my page, I'd love to be added to the group.
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/82f8a43df1
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Hey SSBD,
I've
been a Marijuana vendor on the road for about two months now. All my
packages are sealed with one mylar layer over two food grade plastic
layers with the option for the buyer to buy as many as they like. I've
had people get 8 extra layers, so 9 in total.
So far I have 100% feedback rating and everyone says my stealth is top notch. This is a review from today
"Stealth:
5/5 I'm always more hesitant ordering bud, but Jenkins knows what he's
doing and has it down to a science. The first vendor I ordered had some
good stealth, but now I know what great stealth is.."
Here's my page, I'd love to be added to the group.
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/82f8a43df1
Done :)
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OP listing updated, welcome Burning Babylon :)
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Hey SSBD
Currently got these bad boys (MBB's) en route for the MDMA, BHO, & Coke samples I'll be sending out soon!
Plan on alcohol wiping, multiple layers of vac seals, and MBB's to top off every pack!
Here's my transaction # if you need to verify!
b105a4f69b
No
successful deliveries yet, but I will be sending Monday's BHO sample
packs out with only vac seals, by the time my MDMA gets here (very soon)
I will be MBB'ing everything as my current MBB order will be in!
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/c8bb1afa97
(Thanks MendoHashMan)
Just wanted to chime in, thanks, and good lookin'!
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Everyone will vouch that no matter how small the order, I am double mbb'ing my packages.
Add me if possible!! :)
I see no reason for vac seal.
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/f21256da51
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Everyone will vouch that no matter how small the order, I am double mbb'ing my packages.
Add me if possible!! :)
I see no reason for vac seal.
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/f21256da51
I can vouch for his double MBB's
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Just a simple question - why double seal MBB? (if it is a quality
bag such as 3M and sealed correctly, I can not understand the advantage
of a second bag - it surely creates more bulk and compromises covert
packaging?)\
However, I am open to education here guys....
Cheers
Doc
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Just
a simple question - why double seal MBB? (if it is a quality bag such
as 3M and sealed correctly, I can not understand the advantage of a
second bag - it surely creates more bulk and compromises covert
packaging?)\
However, I am open to education here guys....
Cheers
Doc
I don't think there's an advantage EXCEPT if you go like this:
you seal the first pack,
then you wash the pack to remove all possible impurities/smell/traces of whatever
then you repack in a second layer (with gloves/mouthpiece, in a different room and with a different sealing machine)
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Thanks RaFaeL5...but as a vendor who already vocs the internal
product (to keep fresh, flat and sealed nicely...) then places inside
MBB - sealing and cleaning the exterior of both (the final clean in a
new environment)...I fail to see any reason to double that final
MBB...in fact to me the addition of bulk to the package undermines the
stealth itself in many respects.
My point is that a single, well
sealed, cleaned MBB is more than sufficient at doing the job it's
designed to do. The rest seems overkill to me (unless I'm missing
something)
Thanks for the response though - appreciate it as we all live to learn on this road :)
Cheers
Doc
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Just letting people know I am now selling mylar, shipping internationally
Size: 10"x16” or 1 gallon
Thickness: 4mil
These bags are made from Silver Laminated PET/Foil/Poly Barrier Film
Currently selling in packs of 10.
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/0461c84c24
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Just
a simple question - why double seal MBB? (if it is a quality bag such
as 3M and sealed correctly, I can not understand the advantage of a
second bag - it surely creates more bulk and compromises covert
packaging?)\
However, I am open to education here guys....
Cheers
Doc
I don't think there's an advantage EXCEPT if you go like this:
you seal the first pack,
then you wash the pack to remove all possible impurities/smell/traces of whatever
then you repack in a second layer (with gloves/mouthpiece, in a different room and with a different sealing machine)
I
can see both sides of that 1 vs 2 later argument. Overseas letters that
need to be flat may only accept one mbb that is exceptionally cleaned.
Thoughts?
I
just do two layers because I send thick priority envs and two is better
than one with a good alcohol bath between layers. I have separate bowls
of a strong iso alcohol/water mixture and then a good rub down with iso
soaked paper towels. I think I have a good system with 3 separate
packaging areas and a shit load of heavy duty gloves. Gonna have to
raise prices just for the cost of nytrile gloves. ;)
Any more advice?
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Thanks
RaFaeL5...but as a vendor who already vocs the internal product (to
keep fresh, flat and sealed nicely...) then places inside MBB - sealing
and cleaning the exterior of both (the final clean in a new
environment)...I fail to see any reason to double that final MBB...in
fact to me the addition of bulk to the package undermines the stealth
itself in many respects.
My point is that a single, well sealed,
cleaned MBB is more than sufficient at doing the job it's designed to
do. The rest seems overkill to me (unless I'm missing something)
Agreed.
Key
points being well-sealed, well-cleaned. This is where I'm not so sure
the flat-irons make the grade for sealing, by the way, but I've never
tested them in the dishwasher, etc. Has anyone?
If it's not
something that someone's willing to hold under hot water (or,
FarmerBob's suggestion: through the dishwasher) - then it's not
well-sealed.
For messy / fluffy things, I can see sealing into
another bag (as you describe) before dropping into MBB/odor blocking
bag, for sheer ease of handling if nothing else. When I tried with
glow-dust to keep from contaminating outside layer, even being pretty
good at clean technique, it was almost impossible without that internal
layer, at least with the flour-glowdust combination I was using. That
containment bag (not full on odor-proof) also kept everything from
floofing out when I opened external layer in a big glow-cloud. [If
you want to know how to glitterbomb someone in the mail, though....]
One
layer of bag tests out pretty damn well (check the literature as well.
Seems practical to save extra money for things like nitrile gloves,
drugs, family, and EFF.
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Thanks
RaFaeL5...but as a vendor who already vocs the internal product (to
keep fresh, flat and sealed nicely...) then places inside MBB - sealing
and cleaning the exterior of both (the final clean in a new
environment)...I fail to see any reason to double that final MBB...in
fact to me the addition of bulk to the package undermines the stealth
itself in many respects.
My point is that a single, well sealed,
cleaned MBB is more than sufficient at doing the job it's designed to
do. The rest seems overkill to me (unless I'm missing something)
Agreed.
Key
points being well-sealed, well-cleaned. This is where I'm not so sure
the flat-irons make the grade for sealing, by the way, but I've never
tested them in the dishwasher, etc. Has anyone?
If it's not
something that someone's willing to hold under hot water (or,
FarmerBob's suggestion: through the dishwasher) - then it's not
well-sealed.
For messy / fluffy things, I can see sealing into
another bag (as you describe) before dropping into MBB/odor blocking
bag, for sheer ease of handling if nothing else. When I tried with
glow-dust to keep from contaminating outside layer, even being pretty
good at clean technique, it was almost impossible without that internal
layer, at least with the flour-glowdust combination I was using. That
containment bag (not full on odor-proof) also kept everything from
floofing out when I opened external layer in a big glow-cloud. [If
you want to know how to glitterbomb someone in the mail, though....]
One
layer of bag tests out pretty damn well (check the literature as well.
Seems practical to save extra money for things like nitrile gloves,
drugs, family, and EFF.
Absolutely....
I
guess my question was if the MBB is suited to the job (which I believe
it is and certainly delivers good results for me) what is the advantage
of a second? @ Kirby12 - thanks for the response, but surely it is the
international traffic through customs which would be of most benefit to
double layering (it this is advantageous of course) as with domestic I
think it's way OTT personally...?
Good discussions though and highlights to the community how important good quality control is at the vendor end.
Cheers
Doc
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Hey, been away for a while, so haven't seen this awesome thread until just now.
I'm so glad to have been a part of what prompted it. Kudos to you, Samesame!
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Hey, been away for a while, so haven't seen this awesome thread until just now.
I'm so glad to have been a part of what prompted it. Kudos to you, Samesame!
MATE YOU ARE BACK!!!!!
I've
been so hoping you would come back to see this, you started it all
mate, you were where all this began, we have changed global shipping of
drugs forever :)
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This is a fantastic thread! It is really appreciated. Thank you!!
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My store (CannabisKing) now uses MBB bags along with triple vacuum
sealing! We also strive for great prices, and although we are new to
SilkRoad, we plan on being here for years to come!
Please place CannabisKing on the list of proud MBB users!
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You can see the changing trends in packaging as a buyer.
A
first, triple vac was accepted for bud, hash, usually gets a layer
around it which seals in odour for the most part. Heat can set it off
though and if you send a thermometer with highest and lowest temp
settings, via the mail, you may see some high temps and lows.
The
first MBB packaging I got was from The Scurvy Crew. Now, most bud/weed
comes via this method. Not bought anything else of late but I imagine
coke is MBB with the top vendors.
Some of the MBB has a seal
included. A zip style opening. The idea is to seal above the zip,
locking in the odour. You snip off below the seal and have a nice free
reusable MBB. Every little helps! I use those for festivals.
The
reason people seal twice is simple. The first sealing is usually done
with hands that then transfer the odour to the bag. My solution would be
to wipe each bag down with alcohol (isopropanol is cheap.)
The
WORSE thing to tackle is one of the least harmful drugs, good old
stinking bud! Some of this is so powerful in smell that you may need to
use two charcoal filters growing it. Some smells like carrion! One bud
up our way is called, lol, 'death bud'. Smells real bad but tastes real
good plus its very strong. ;D
I may be wrong, but cannabis
seems to be the hardest drug to not only preven the smell of - we also
like it uncompressed. If you want your bud in an envelope through the
door (I like it that way) and not have to pick it up at the post office,
it needs to be broken up a little. take the tiny nuggets off the buds.
Vac sealing usually crushes bud a little. he MBB bags, you can leave a little air inside to cushion the buds.
With powders, some have a definite smell, but washing most leaves for a fairly odourless powder.
MDMA for example, does not smell like aniseed after a good wash in acetone.
That powerful smelling coke also, after a wash, you will not smell much of anything.
Speed, likewise. Speed that smell real powerful is usually still wet. Washing it leaves for an odourless affair.
Bud
always smells! Sure some is not tha powerful, more like a light
perfume, but some of it stinks big time. A dime bag of bud can stink out
a room with ease.
Either way, MBB has to become the standard delivery package now we know that vac seal is not that effective.
Good that vendors are on top of the game, or making the effort to be as safe as they can be.
At least nobody is claiming 'x-ray proof' wrapping, a lie fed to people enticed into smuggling. :)
And
hello to anyone at Glatonbury, gave my ticket away afer seeing the
forecast. I will go to the pub instead and have saved like a thousand
pounds on drugs and alcohol plus food.
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@redallovertheland...great little post buddy!
And enjoy the pub...better than a muddy field and losing your tent ;)
Best as always
Doc
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My
store (CannabisKing) now uses MBB bags along with triple vacuum
sealing! We also strive for great prices, and although we are new to
SilkRoad, we plan on being here for years to come!
Please place CannabisKing on the list of proud MBB users!
Done :)
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Hey, been away for a while, so haven't seen this awesome thread until just now.
I'm so glad to have been a part of what prompted it. Kudos to you, Samesame!
MATE YOU ARE BACK!!!!!
I've
been so hoping you would come back to see this, you started it all
mate, you were where all this began, we have changed global shipping of
drugs forever :)
I've never been so happy thwarting the efforts of law enforcement! ;D
I
notice all of the 'Aussie' threads have vanished. ::) Where
do we go to talk shit about shit these days? My stash is running
dry and I need to top up 8)
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Hey, been away for a while, so haven't seen this awesome thread until just now.
I'm so glad to have been a part of what prompted it. Kudos to you, Samesame!
MATE YOU ARE BACK!!!!!
I've
been so hoping you would come back to see this, you started it all
mate, you were where all this began, we have changed global shipping of
drugs forever :)
I've never been so happy thwarting the efforts of law enforcement! ;D
I
notice all of the 'Aussie' threads have vanished. ::) Where
do we go to talk shit about shit these days? My stash is running
dry and I need to top up 8)
Hahaha yeah it makes me smile every time I add a new vendors details to the OP listing I have to say.
Re
wanting to talk shit with aussies well there is one thread that finally
found its rightful home in Off Topic, I squashed all the others
;)
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=139173.0
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We are happy to announce that we will now be shipping MDMA in MBB's
around the world after having an upgrade in our packaging systems!
Please can you add us to the list.
Thanks,
Rinran
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Ive been using MBB since day 1. And im domestic.
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HEARING LOTS OF GOOD THINGS ON STUDIO54'S COLA
DOES ANYONE KNOW IF HE'S USING MBB???? HIZ SELLERS PAGE SAYS YES HE IS. CAN ANYONE CONFIRM THIS?
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So its been a while since this thread started. Are vendors now
comfortable saying they can beat the dogs with MBB and
post-cleaning? I see it discussed for 27 pages but I haven't heard
any vendors come right out and say it.
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So
its been a while since this thread started. Are vendors now
comfortable saying they can beat the dogs with MBB and
post-cleaning? I see it discussed for 27 pages but I haven't heard
any vendors come right out and say it.
Since
switching to MBB's our success rate has increased noticeably. Ive used
MBB's on hundreds of orders, and Im very confident that they can beat
sniffer dogs.
Just cant beat xrays, don't believe people who say they can!
4sale
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Of course they don't work for x-rays.....let's stick to dogs.
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Seen as there is a listing on SR right now that is for bags that claim to do so, its worth spreading the word, clearly.
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mbbs are definetely the right way to go, without a doubt, now we
just need to start thinking of ways to come up with xray defaeating
materials.
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Sorry for the dumb question but... Can someone confirm for me that
Plutopete folds his 1mx1m heat seal foil into a parcel/envelope and
doesn't ship it as a full roll? Hope that makes sense..
cheers
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Do you think MBBs are perfect against dogs or just "good enough"?
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Sorry
for the dumb question but... Can someone confirm for me that Plutopete
folds his 1mx1m heat seal foil into a parcel/envelope and doesn't ship
it as a full roll? Hope that makes sense..
cheers
Why not just pm them and ask?
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mbbs
are definetely the right way to go, without a doubt, now we just need
to start thinking of ways to come up with xray defaeating materials.
Making
something x-ray proof is probably impossible and also a total waste of
time because any 'shadows' showing up on the scanner image guarantees a
closer inspection, obscurification is the way to go.
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Sorry
for the dumb question but... Can someone confirm for me that Plutopete
folds his 1mx1m heat seal foil into a parcel/envelope and doesn't ship
it as a full roll? Hope that makes sense..
cheers
Why not just pm them and ask?
I did but I needed to know asap so I posted in here. It's all sorted now though.
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Do you think MBBs are perfect against dogs or just "good enough"?
Read the thread please.
- MBB act as an odor sealment. That means odors stay trapped inside the bag.
- Dogs will react to the fragrances they've been trained to identify.
- So if the pouch contains residual scents, they might be alerted
It's the packing process that guarantees odor proof parcel.
mbbs
are definetely the right way to go, without a doubt, now we just need
to start thinking of ways to come up with xray defaeating materials.
Making
something x-ray proof is probably impossible and also a total waste of
time because any 'shadows' showing up on the scanner image guarantees a
closer inspection, obscurification is the way to go.
When you speak about x-ray proof packages, you actually mean prone to clear x-ray screening without detection.
You can make x-ray proof parcels using (lots) of lead, you fool the machine, still the parcel get's picked and inspected 100%.
What
you want, is that the guy looking at the screen doesn't spend a second
thought about the content. So you need to know what the policies of the
country your sending to are in regards of selection for closer scrutiny.
As
an example, I had an envelope containing an illicit product that would
alert dogs opened laterally. I guess, and this is backed by some
comments I read here, it was for a K-9 screening. The MBB pouch was
visible, but the packing process being adequate, it didn't alert dogs,
it passed the screening and went on. I enjoyed that stuff last week. I
they don't suspect anything illegal, no second look, no probs.
Had
it contained pills, it would have alerted the custom officer because one
could see the pouch, and not because of the dogs reaction. Pills are
easily discernible to the human eye, to a custom officer they could be
counterfeit medication, he picks it opens it, the end.
So
you can fool the dogs, the x-ray machines and what not, if you don't
understand the process as a whole, you won't get far. All in all, you
would rather make sure your parcel doesn't get x-rayed, than to find a
way to have it look inconspicuous on the x-ray screen.
My 2 cent.
SSBD great thread, btw.
Peace out
Jason
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JB,
Great summary and thanks for taking the time to cut it up
into manageable sized pieces. Dogs and Xrays are different
subjects so let's keep them that way. My interest is dogs as I
only order domestic.
I have read the thread (many times) but I
don't see anyone saying unequivocally, "yes, with proper packaging
(MBBs) and proper post-handling (cleaning, scrubbing residue, alcohol
bath, whatever).....we can take our package and hold it up to a dogs
nose without alerting".
Don't misunderstand, I hear everyone
saying "it's better" but that doesn't tell us if it's 100% or not.
That's the answer I am trying to find out. Both for my peace of
mind as well as others.
Guys - this is a *huge* deal. If we
can beat the dogs 100% of the time by using MBBs and following some
kind of "cleaning" process, then we have changed the drug distribution
game forever. I realize LE has many tools but busts happen because
of dogs 99.9% of the time.
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Going to test Pluto's 1m foil at a festival soon.
I'll be taking lots of mephedrone (assume dogs don't sniff this anyway), lots of C and about 100 high dosed beans.
I've
bagged everything up into small bags then gonna make few pouches using
his foil, place drugs into pouches, then get someone else to seal the
pouch. I'll give each pouch a rub down with vodka or alcohol wipes, then
repeat the process with another pouch. All items will be "stealthed"
inside camping goods to hide visibility (any ideas folks?)
Looking forward to a great summer of festivals.
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JB,
1.Great
summary and thanks for taking the time to cut it up into manageable
sized pieces. Dogs and Xrays are different subjects so let's keep
them that way. My interest is dogs as I only order domestic.
2.I
have read the thread (many times) but I don't see anyone saying
unequivocally, "yes, with proper packaging (MBBs) and proper
post-handling (cleaning, scrubbing residue, alcohol bath,
whatever).....we can take our package and hold it up to a dogs nose
without alerting".
3.Don't misunderstand, I hear everyone saying
"it's better" but that doesn't tell us if it's 100% or not. That's
the answer I am trying to find out. Both for my peace of mind as
well as others.
4.Guys - this is a *huge* deal. If we can
beat the dogs 100% of the time by using MBBs and following some kind of
"cleaning" process, then we have changed the drug distribution game
forever. I realize LE has many tools but busts happen because of
dogs 99.9% of the time.
From my post:
Quote:
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As an example, I had an envelope containing an illicit product that
would alert dogs opened laterally. I guess, and this is backed by some
comments I read here, it was for a K-9 screening. The MBB pouch was
visible, but the packing process being adequate, it didn't alert dogs,
it passed the screening and went on. I enjoyed that stuff last week. I
they don't suspect anything illegal, no second look, no probs.
- Had
it contained pills, it would have alerted the custom officer because he
saw the pouch, not because of the dogs reaction, they are easily
discernible to the human eye, they could be counterfeit medication, he
picks it opens it, the end.
Unquote.
And
Quote:
So you can fool the dogs, [ ..], if you don't understand the process as a whole, you won't get far.
Unquote.
You have your answers above, still:
1.
Sure, my pleasure. Dogs and x-rays are different means of detection,
amongst others, that can be discussed separately, but are part of the
same process that should always be seen as a whole.
2. Correct.
3.
There is no such thing as leakage free material. There are emanations
and residual scents. If you want to be 100% sure that the qty of odor
required to alert the dog is not reached when he sniffs that pack, don't
put any drugs in there. Still couldn't exclude false positives,
reaction to coffee or other masking substances f.ex. Stay paranoid and
sharp, that's the way to go if you smuggle.
4. This is utter BS.
Busts happen 99% due to rats or prior surveillance (probably due to
rats too). I won't elaborate here as you didn't pay attention to the
part where I mention shipping/stealth as a (continuous and evolving)
process, but please do not fool others into that simplistic thinking.
Again
: If your MBB reads "1 oz girl scout cookies" your a hippy, don't have
an income and ride a Ferrari, the dogs won't bother, still your done.
Good?
Peace out
Jason
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Going to test Pluto's 1m foil at a festival soon.
I'll be taking lots of mephedrone (assume dogs don't sniff this anyway), lots of C and about 100 high dosed beans.
I've
bagged everything up into small bags then gonna make few pouches using
his foil, place drugs into pouches, then get someone else to seal the
pouch. I'll give each pouch a rub down with vodka or alcohol wipes, then
repeat the process with another pouch. All items will be "stealthed"
inside camping goods to hide visibility (any ideas folks?)
Looking forward to a great summer of festivals.
Lemme get that straight:
You made several zippies of several products, you'll seal that securely, hide it and than head to your festival to get rich?
What's your question here?
- Will you avoid K-9 detection? Sure, as long as you don't open the pouches. If you don't, you won't sell jack shit.
- Is it safe? No. You risk some serious time here.
To
rough it up: Plan how you want to smuggle the goods inside, where you
will stash them, how you'll beat undercover cops surveillance, how
you'll conduct the transactions (if that is what you want to do), what
you'll do with the money, etc..
If you don't plan vending, my bad, take less product, if you do, my best advice would be you stick to vending to your mates.
Reading you I realize you don't need technicalities here, you need a plan.
Peace out
Jason.
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It's a camping festival mate, i'll have goods well stashed when the
tents pitched and there's no under covers working here at UK festivals,
I've sold several times at many major festivals and never encountered
them..
Just thought I'd give plutos foil a test as any other festival I've gotten past dogs, it's just been by sheer luck.
Of
course the pouches will get opened, once inside the festival. There's
only drug dogs at the entrance to the campsite, once your in campsite
your pretty much free to do as you please, inside the music arena
however there is drug dogs, so sales would be conducted strictly in the
campsite away from our tents.
I've done this all before mate, just testing plutos foil rather than my usual method of plastic wrap, condoms and praying.
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It's
a camping festival mate, i'll have goods well stashed when the tents
pitched and there's no under covers working here at UK festivals, I've
sold several times at many major festivals and never encountered them..
Just thought I'd give plutos foil a test as any other festival I've gotten past dogs, it's just been by sheer luck.
Of
course the pouches will get opened, once inside the festival. There's
only drug dogs at the entrance to the campsite, once your in campsite
your pretty much free to do as you please, inside the music arena
however there is drug dogs, so sales would be conducted strictly in the
campsite away from our tents.
I've done this all before mate, just testing plutos foil rather than my usual method of plastic wrap, condoms and praying.
Where
did you get the idea that uk festies don't have undercover police
operating? they have a dedicated squad that covers all the main festies
and some of the smaller ones.
My foil will beat a dog even if you
hold it under it's nose, but if the dog handler sees the pouch he may
well think it suspicious if its rolled in your camping gear. If the
festie allows cooking get some foil packed food and copy the labels and
packaging :)
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kssr, I'm doing the same as you I am in the UK, just ordered the
foil. (apart mine is personal use amounts of MDMA/MDA/Meth and GHB only,
my friends are also using the foil for their own personal stash)
I
know for sure there will be up to 5 police drug dogs there as last year a
shit ton of people got busted for drugs at this festival going in,
there were 5 dogs sniffing around, saw about 30 people get dragged away
to be searched within about 15mins...
So I'm pretty much relaying on
this foil to keep myself and friends free from being arrested lol. We'll
all strap the pouches to our ball bags/inbetween legs using tape after
we have washed the foil with alcohol and put it in the dishwasher. May
even foil it twice over if there's enough.
Also, just a helpful tip
for you guys.. I'm washing all my cards with alcohol to make sure the
particles on them that have been from making lines is gone. I'm not even
gunna bother taking my wallet lol.
My festival is next weekend so I'll keep you updated on how it goes getting past the dogs. I'm sure it'll be fine. :)
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It's
a camping festival mate, i'll have goods well stashed when the tents
pitched and there's no under covers working here at UK festivals, I've
sold several times at many major festivals and never encountered them..
Just thought I'd give plutos foil a test as any other festival I've gotten past dogs, it's just been by sheer luck.
Of
course the pouches will get opened, once inside the festival. There's
only drug dogs at the entrance to the campsite, once your in campsite
your pretty much free to do as you please, inside the music arena
however there is drug dogs, so sales would be conducted strictly in the
campsite away from our tents.
I've done this all before mate, just testing plutos foil rather than my usual method of plastic wrap, condoms and praying.
Where
did you get the idea that uk festies don't have undercover police
operating? they have a dedicated squad that covers all the main festies
and some of the smaller ones.
My foil will beat a dog even if you
hold it under it's nose, but if the dog handler sees the pouch he may
well think it suspicious if its rolled in your camping gear. If the
festie allows cooking get some foil packed food and copy the labels and
packaging :)
Hey
don't you worry, it will be hidden in the camping gear and he's
familiar with festies. And lucky. He has it all covered, 'cos as you
know, security, law enforcements dispatches or numbers and screening
methods never evolve.
Thinking of that, with your foil it would be a
lot safer to unload that boat my buddy talked about. No way those pesky
dogs could smell the gear, and it would be well wrapped and obfuscated,
coppers won't have a clue.
Good thing you stumbled in Pete, I was running out of arguments.
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Hey, I had an idea for improved stealth.
If there was a way
to make small qtys (say, 3g and under) look like iTunes gift cards or
other gift cards, that would be a good cover.
You could potentially make it very inconspicuous under x-ray, too.
The
other thing I was thinking too, is that maybe a rectangle isn't the
best shape. Maybe long and thin might be a better idea to break
the pattern of what customs looks for.
So many ideas..... 8)
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It's
a camping festival mate, i'll have goods well stashed when the tents
pitched and there's no under covers working here at UK festivals, I've
sold several times at many major festivals and never encountered them..
Just thought I'd give plutos foil a test as any other festival I've gotten past dogs, it's just been by sheer luck.
Of
course the pouches will get opened, once inside the festival. There's
only drug dogs at the entrance to the campsite, once your in campsite
your pretty much free to do as you please, inside the music arena
however there is drug dogs, so sales would be conducted strictly in the
campsite away from our tents.
I've done this all before mate, just testing plutos foil rather than my usual method of plastic wrap, condoms and praying.
Where
did you get the idea that uk festies don't have undercover police
operating? they have a dedicated squad that covers all the main festies
and some of the smaller ones.
My foil will beat a dog even if you
hold it under it's nose, but if the dog handler sees the pouch he may
well think it suspicious if its rolled in your camping gear. If the
festie allows cooking get some foil packed food and copy the labels and
packaging :)
Hey
don't you worry, it will be hidden in the camping gear and he's
familiar with festies. And lucky. He has it all covered, 'cos as you
know, security, law enforcements dispatches or numbers and screening
methods never evolve.
Thinking of that, with your foil it would be a
lot safer to unload that boat my buddy talked about. No way those pesky
dogs could smell the gear, and it would be well wrapped and obfuscated,
coppers won't have a clue.
Good thing you stumbled in Pete, I was running out of arguments.
With the way your going on, you unload them boats weekly ;)
I've
used an FM radio and camping latern to hide goods every year, unscrew
items, place drugs inside, screw back together. If your thinking they'll
dismantle every item if a dog flags me then your mistaken.. they just
don't have the time.
Never experienced any undercovers at this festival campsite, inside the arena there's loads but none at the campsite.
As stated I've used these methods before.. just not with pluto's foil.
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It's
a camping festival mate, i'll have goods well stashed when the tents
pitched and there's no under covers working here at UK festivals, I've
sold several times at many major festivals and never encountered them..
Just thought I'd give plutos foil a test as any other festival I've gotten past dogs, it's just been by sheer luck.
Of
course the pouches will get opened, once inside the festival. There's
only drug dogs at the entrance to the campsite, once your in campsite
your pretty much free to do as you please, inside the music arena
however there is drug dogs, so sales would be conducted strictly in the
campsite away from our tents.
I've done this all before mate, just testing plutos foil rather than my usual method of plastic wrap, condoms and praying.
Where
did you get the idea that uk festies don't have undercover police
operating? they have a dedicated squad that covers all the main festies
and some of the smaller ones.
My foil will beat a dog even if you
hold it under it's nose, but if the dog handler sees the pouch he may
well think it suspicious if its rolled in your camping gear. If the
festie allows cooking get some foil packed food and copy the labels and
packaging :)
Hey
don't you worry, it will be hidden in the camping gear and he's
familiar with festies. And lucky. He has it all covered, 'cos as you
know, security, law enforcements dispatches or numbers and screening
methods never evolve.
Thinking of that, with your foil it would be a
lot safer to unload that boat my buddy talked about. No way those pesky
dogs could smell the gear, and it would be well wrapped and obfuscated,
coppers won't have a clue.
Good thing you stumbled in Pete, I was running out of arguments.
With the way your going on, you unload them boats weekly ;)
I've
used an FM radio and camping latern to hide goods every year, unscrew
items, place drugs inside, screw back together. If your thinking they'll
dismantle every item if a dog flags me then your mistaken.. they just
don't have the time.
Never experienced any undercovers at this festival campsite, inside the arena there's loads but none at the campsite.
As stated I've used these methods before.. just not with pluto's foil.
I found better. I'm gonna tell him to seal the boat, leaving just the motor sticking out. So he's safe during the whole trip.
You go make that money than. Get rich but don't get pinched.
Peace out
Jason.
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Thanks.
And thanks for the foil pluto, any UK vendors selling alcohol wipes might I add?
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JB,
Great
summary and thanks for taking the time to cut it up into manageable
sized pieces. Dogs and Xrays are different subjects so let's keep
them that way. My interest is dogs as I only order domestic.
I
have read the thread (many times) but I don't see anyone saying
unequivocally, "yes, with proper packaging (MBBs) and proper
post-handling (cleaning, scrubbing residue, alcohol bath,
whatever).....we can take our package and hold it up to a dogs nose
without alerting".
Don't misunderstand, I hear everyone saying
"it's better" but that doesn't tell us if it's 100% or not. That's
the answer I am trying to find out. Both for my peace of mind as
well as others.
Guys - this is a *huge* deal. If we can
beat the dogs 100% of the time by using MBBs and following some kind of
"cleaning" process, then we have changed the drug distribution game
forever. I realize LE has many tools but busts happen because of
dogs 99.9% of the time.
There
is a thread buried somewhere on the forums where some people test
various packaging with a real drug detection sniffer dog. If your order
is packaged in a clean environment and all residual trace particles are
removed from the outer surfaces of the MBB it will pass canine
detection.
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SSBD,
Yes I have read that thread too and its a really good
read. However, it's (1) dog and it was retired. Not
saying it means nothing but I'd be curious if we can reproduce those
results over and over against other dogs.
I realize dogs are one
part of a bigger system but I don't understand how people can downplay
dogs and how big of a deal it would be if we can beat them.
Whether it's mail or other means of transport, dogs are the single
most popular tool of LE and they are a formidable foe.
(sidenote:
I also want to acknowledge that LE is probably involved in a
disinformation campaign about drug dog capabilities so getting good,
quality, scientific data on the subject is difficult, at best.)
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Does anyone know what the grounds for a full-on strip search at UK festivals are?
Does there HAVE to be drug dog detection, or can they strip you purely because you're looking suspicious?
Thanks
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Does anyone know what the grounds for a full-on strip search at UK festivals are?
Does there HAVE to be drug dog detection, or can they strip you purely because you're looking suspicious?
Thanks
They
need to have probable cause. Simply attending a festival is not
probable cause. However if you are rolling balls like a motherfucker and
acting in a way that someone could deem "highness on some sort of a
substance" there is a good chance you'll get searched. If they find
something you will not have any say to the incident on was it legal or
not to search you.
If a dog marks you = probable cause in most countries
If
you act really weird = probable cause (which is good because weird
acting people can be dangerous. The police don't care if you are high in
PMA, PCP or just happy-mellow-MDMA).
It's really simple. Don't
be an idiot and you will have a good time. Also you should note that the
festival security has the right to refuse entry if you don't give
permission for a pat down if they have one in place at the entry point.
It's a privately held gathering and they may apply their own rules.
Edit:
To answer you more clearly. They can search you if you act crazy
enough. Please don't do drugs if you can't handle yourself! A little
"happy mood" won't get you in trouble though. The drunk people there
cause more hassle.
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Does anyone know what the grounds for a full-on strip search at UK festivals are?
Does there HAVE to be drug dog detection, or can they strip you purely because you're looking suspicious?
Thanks
They
need to have probable cause. Simply attending a festival is not
probable cause. However if you are rolling balls like a motherfucker and
acting in a way that someone could deem "highness on some sort of a
substance" there is a good chance you'll get searched. If they find
something you will not have any say to the incident on was it legal or
not to search you.
If a dog marks you = probable cause in most countries
If
you act really weird = probable cause (which is good because weird
acting people can be dangerous. The police don't care if you are high in
PMA, PCP or just happy-mellow-MDMA).
It's really simple. Don't
be an idiot and you will have a good time. Also you should note that the
festival security has the right to refuse entry if you don't give
permission for a pat down if they have one in place at the entry point.
It's a privately held gathering and they may apply their own rules.
Ok I'm not to worried about the dogs because I've MBB'd the drugs and alcohol wiped everything I am taking.
I've
taken drugs into festivals and events before where there have been dogs
and police but at this festival apparently they will be having a
massive drugs operation going on with multiple dogs and search areas.
Just
thinking of taping the MBB in between my legs and walking right on
through hoping I don't act suspiciously enough for a search. OR I could
put the MBB in a compartment in my bag and glue the compartment up so it
likes like there is no compartment.. what would be a better option in
your opinion?
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I put the bag in my shoe, just left a little bit of air in the bag. Walking on air!
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because I've MBB'd the drugs and alcohol wiped everything I am taking.
Are we sure that's enough? Are you willing to bet your freedom on it?
I
don't mean to be a buzzkill. This is why I am asking so many
questions about dogs. There are a lot of stories and information
out there about what works. Some good, most bad.
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Does anyone know what the grounds for a full-on strip search at UK festivals are?
Does there HAVE to be drug dog detection, or can they strip you purely because you're looking suspicious?
Thanks
The police don't need any grounds, they'll make them up later :)
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SSBD,
Yes
I have read that thread too and its a really good read. However,
it's (1) dog and it was retired. Not saying it means nothing
but I'd be curious if we can reproduce those results over and over
against other dogs.
I realize dogs are one part of a bigger
system but I don't understand how people can downplay dogs and how big
of a deal it would be if we can beat them. Whether it's mail
or other means of transport, dogs are the single most popular tool of
LE and they are a formidable foe.
(sidenote: I also want
to acknowledge that LE is probably involved in a disinformation campaign
about drug dog capabilities so getting good, quality, scientific data
on the subject is difficult, at best.)
Sniffer
dogs are notoriously unreliable, often alerting giving false positives
etc, they also can only be worked for short periods before their
effectiveness drops right off. I've walked right past sniffer dogs heaps
of times carrying drugs at festivals and raves and never had an issue,
didn't stop me shitting myself every time though and definitely not
something I'd recommend anyone does without taking the appropriate
precautions, MBB was unheard of back in my misspent raving youth and
I've seen many a person hauled off for a pat down and strip search,
seems much more full on here in Australia than anything I've seen in
other countries including the UK.
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OP updated, new vendor added to the list, welcome farmer1! :)
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Thank you samesamebuddifferent!
I take customer security seriously. It is an honor to be here.
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Sniffer
dogs are notoriously unreliable, often alerting giving false positives
etc, they also can only be worked for short periods before their
effectiveness drops right off. I've walked right past sniffer dogs heaps
of times carrying drugs at festivals and raves and never had an issue,
didn't stop me shitting myself every time though and definitely not
something I'd recommend anyone does without taking the appropriate
precautions, MBB was unheard of back in my misspent raving youth and
I've seen many a person hauled off for a pat down and strip search,
seems much more full on here in Australia than anything I've seen in
other countries including the UK.
Sullum's articles on detection dogs in Reason have been outstanding.
http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/27/how-even-a-well-trained-narcotics-detect
and follow the links.
H/t to Mr. Sullum, if he's reading, by the way. <3
Rant:
As far as I can tell, using detection dogs at festivals is maladaptive
security theater that mainly serves to a) make parents/community members
feels like Someone Is Doing Something, b) increase the risk of toxic
ingestion when panicked attendees take everything when they see the dogs
or hear about the dogs. This latter is a really suboptimal strategy,
not just because you poison yourself, but also because you'll likely
have residue on your hands. Now you get to talk to people about that
while the drugs kick in. NOT better. Of course, that assumes that the
detection dogs are actually working, which I think varies quite a lot...
The
pros who are arranging bulk quantities for inside distribution, who are
the ostensible targets, have this figured out, but the
first-second-whatever-time attendees may not. I would love to see
the actuary data on this at some point. :-) Pure anecdata at my end,
maybe, but I am way too familiar with events in my region with dogs
vs events without dogs and the number of calls to poison control
(from individuals and hospitals) associated with each.
At least the usual airport pseudosecurity behavior doesn't lead to a spike in poisonings.
/rant
I've
watched the dogs at events that are supposed to be 'drug dogs' and I'm
not sure what they're doing, but it's not what I'd recognize as drug
detection work, usually. Maybe mass screening works differently. Not my
department, Wondermutt here just plays track-it-find-it and identify-it
for fun and community service.
Zzzz: would I bet my freedom
on a defined aroma-blocking bag that had been sealed at the proper
temperature and cleaned by me with clean hands?
Yes. Because the
concepts underlying this are reality-based, and because they are
reliable when I test them. Works in theory AND in practice. Win-win.
If
you're curious about the actual abilities of the detection dogs, I'd
suggest directing dog-reading towards search-and-rescue/cadaver dogs and
their capability/reliability. Less of a political minefield and without
the financial incentives of drug detection. Handler
reliability/influence are a separate problem.
I don't think
there's the large LEO misinformation campaign re: dogs that is
suspected, but maybe there is, and there will always be some jackass who
says stupid things - still, most handlers are kind of nerds and tend to
correct misunderstandings, rather than amplify them. [Funniest LEO
handler moment I've heard about in a while: officer who said at the
local school, "Oh, no, that's not correct, Mr. Smith, Bonzo isn't
trained on methylone" when Principal Smith was giving the kids the Fear
Of Dog talk.]
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The risk of toxic ingestion is something that does not get discussed
enough as it goes, I am aware of many instances where this has happened
when panicked individuals become aware that dogs are in use. Yet
another stupid example of over zealous heavy handed policing all in the
name of protecting us when in fact all they are doing is causing yet
more harm.
I remember reading many years ago about how raves in
Holland would have a testing tent where you could test your ecstasy
pills before consuming them, this was back in the early 90's mind you
and still so far ahead of everyone else when is comes to harm reduction,
seems we never got close to catching up and have only gone further
backwards in policing methods.
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Does anyone know what the grounds for a full-on strip search at UK festivals are?
Does there HAVE to be drug dog detection, or can they strip you purely because you're looking suspicious?
Thanks
The police don't need any grounds, they'll make them up later :)
QFT - and something to always remember whatever the situation.
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The
risk of toxic ingestion is something that does not get discussed enough
as it goes, I am aware of many instances where this has happened when
panicked individuals become aware that dogs are in use. Yet another
stupid example of over zealous heavy handed policing all in the name of
protecting us when in fact all they are doing is causing yet more harm.
I
remember reading many years ago about how raves in Holland would have a
testing tent where you could test your ecstasy pills before consuming
them, this was back in the early 90's mind you and still so far ahead of
everyone else when is comes to harm reduction, seems we never got close
to catching up and have only gone further backwards in policing
methods.
ahhhh
xtc pills back in the 90's.. wow what a great time that was, ever bean
was always your gateway to the pleasure dome and 2 pills you could roll
for hours and hours high as fuck - felt great :)
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The
risk of toxic ingestion is something that does not get discussed enough
as it goes, I am aware of many instances where this has happened when
panicked individuals become aware that dogs are in use. Yet another
stupid example of over zealous heavy handed policing all in the name of
protecting us when in fact all they are doing is causing yet more harm.
I
remember reading many years ago about how raves in Holland would have a
testing tent where you could test your ecstasy pills before consuming
them, this was back in the early 90's mind you and still so far ahead of
everyone else when is comes to harm reduction, seems we never got close
to catching up and have only gone further backwards in policing
methods.
When the drugs were real and so was the music....
;)
Doc
ahhhh
xtc pills back in the 90's.. wow what a great time that was, ever bean
was always your gateway to the pleasure dome and 2 pills you could roll
for hours and hours high as fuck - felt great :)
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1990 to 1993 were the best raving/clubbing years of my life, crazy
crazy hazy times, wouldn't change them for anything :)
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The
risk of toxic ingestion is something that does not get discussed enough
as it goes, I am aware of many instances where this has happened when
panicked individuals become aware that dogs are in use. Yet another
stupid example of over zealous heavy handed policing all in the name of
protecting us when in fact all they are doing is causing yet more harm.
I
remember reading many years ago about how raves in Holland would have a
testing tent where you could test your ecstasy pills before consuming
them, this was back in the early 90's mind you and still so far ahead of
everyone else when is comes to harm reduction, seems we never got close
to catching up and have only gone further backwards in policing
methods.
We
had testing tents at our parties in the 90's and when the police turned
up it was usually the first thing they shut down, when they stopped the
Green Party Drugs Group from testing at Glastonbury we set up some
chairs outside their tent and anyone wanting tests was sent to us :)
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OP updated, please welcome jerseycow to the MBB listing :)
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1990 to 1993 were the best raving/clubbing years of my life, crazy crazy hazy times, wouldn't change them for anything :)
Concur 100%
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Okay, enough of the 'festivals for dummies' advice and reminiscing
about the good ol' days :P Whats the next step in the war
against The Man?
My BIG IDEA is still gift cards with a magnetic
strip. I reckon if you were super clever, you could spread the
product out over the surface area of the card, and find a way to
laminate it all down.
In plain sight is the best place to hide things. Just ask my missus! ;)
What do you guys think?
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Sorry Yowie, I'll take off my rose tinted specs and stop getting all misty eyed about my ecstasy honeymoon :P
Your
idea is a good one but it's probably not a good idea we discuss it
openly here even though you are right this discussion thread does need
to evolve. How we go about that without giving away potential
obfuscation methods though presents a challenge.
Thoughts?
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Another question about the Heat seal foil..
Say I have it shoved down my pants and I get a once over with one those hand held metal detectors, would it set it off?
cheers.
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You might crunch up a ball of it in your pocket and visit the
courthouse or other "free testing service" :-) Be ready with a
story about the computer hardware you just unpacked... Or... camping
trip with Bears attacking your neighbors food...or...
You might want to take some metal that they will let you keep to make sure the scanner is plugged in and working.
You
might try falling to the floor and shaking uncontrolably if they detect
it to mess with their heads ;-) They might remember you in the future
though :-(
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You
might crunch up a ball of it in your pocket and visit the courthouse or
other "free testing service" :-) Be ready with a story about the
computer hardware you just unpacked... Or... camping trip with Bears
attacking your neighbors food...or...
You might want to take some metal that they will let you keep to make sure the scanner is plugged in and working.
You
might try falling to the floor and shaking uncontrolably if they detect
it to mess with their heads ;-) They might remember you in the future
though :-(
Hhaaha, so the metal detector would pick it up?
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You
might crunch up a ball of it in your pocket and visit the courthouse or
other "free testing service" :-) Be ready with a story about the
computer hardware you just unpacked... Or... camping trip with Bears
attacking your neighbors food...or...
You might want to take some metal that they will let you keep to make sure the scanner is plugged in and working.
You
might try falling to the floor and shaking uncontrolably if they detect
it to mess with their heads ;-) They might remember you in the future
though :-(
Hhaaha, so the metal detector would pick it up?
I
can access one of those wands, you know what I will find out for you!
can only test an MBB though, I would think heat sealed foil would set
them off though yes.
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You
might crunch up a ball of it in your pocket and visit the courthouse or
other "free testing service" :-) Be ready with a story about the
computer hardware you just unpacked... Or... camping trip with Bears
attacking your neighbors food...or...
You might want to take some metal that they will let you keep to make sure the scanner is plugged in and working.
You
might try falling to the floor and shaking uncontrolably if they detect
it to mess with their heads ;-) They might remember you in the future
though :-(
Hhaaha, so the metal detector would pick it up?
I
can access one of those wands, you know what I will find out for you!
can only test an MBB though, I would think heat sealed foil would set
them off though yes.
Hmm I could do with knowing early Saturday morning BST latest, would this be possible? If so, life saver!
If
it does get set it around my pants though, what would their actions be
at a festival? Could I just say it was the buttons on my shorts?
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You
might crunch up a ball of it in your pocket and visit the courthouse or
other "free testing service" :-) Be ready with a story about the
computer hardware you just unpacked... Or... camping trip with Bears
attacking your neighbors food...or...
You might want to take some metal that they will let you keep to make sure the scanner is plugged in and working.
You
might try falling to the floor and shaking uncontrolably if they detect
it to mess with their heads ;-) They might remember you in the future
though :-(
Hhaaha, so the metal detector would pick it up?
I
can access one of those wands, you know what I will find out for you!
can only test an MBB though, I would think heat sealed foil would set
them off though yes.
Hmm I could do with knowing early Saturday morning BST latest, would this be possible? If so, life saver!
If
it does get set it around my pants though, what would their actions be
at a festival? Could I just say it was the buttons on my shorts?
No, you will almost certainly be pulled for strip....
Doc
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I
can access one of those wands, you know what I will find out for you!
can only test an MBB though, I would think heat sealed foil would set
them off though yes.
I
am not sure. Heat seal foil is probably very similar to an MBB with a
thicker aluminum layer and maybe some hot glue? Might try the wand on
tinfoil and other aluminum. Magnets don't work on iron-free metals, but
the wands should or they would be easy to bypass.
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Alright thanks guys. Think I will take it in the foil and if I
notice there are metal detector wands being used I'll go round the
corner, unrap it and then just take it through in a baggie and hope to
fuck the dogs don't get me. I've made it past dogs before so should be
able to do it again. :P
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You
might crunch up a ball of it in your pocket and visit the courthouse or
other "free testing service" :-) Be ready with a story about the
computer hardware you just unpacked... Or... camping trip with Bears
attacking your neighbors food...or...
You might want to take some metal that they will let you keep to make sure the scanner is plugged in and working.
You
might try falling to the floor and shaking uncontrolably if they detect
it to mess with their heads ;-) They might remember you in the future
though :-(
Hhaaha, so the metal detector would pick it up?
I
can access one of those wands, you know what I will find out for you!
can only test an MBB though, I would think heat sealed foil would set
them off though yes.
Hmm I could do with knowing early Saturday morning BST latest, would this be possible? If so, life saver!
If
it does get set it around my pants though, what would their actions be
at a festival? Could I just say it was the buttons on my shorts?
Won't be able to give the MBB a wand test until early next week I'm afraid mate anyway.
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Hey Samesame, read this thread when I was starting up and it really
helped for packaging techniques. Would it be possible to be added to the
list?
I'm a UK to worldwide vendor who sells 2C-E and 2C-B using vac seals and MBBs on all orders. My vendor link is below
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/885c2e06ab
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Alright
thanks guys. Think I will take it in the foil and if I notice there are
metal detector wands being used I'll go round the corner, unrap it and
then just take it through in a baggie and hope to fuck the dogs don't
get me. I've made it past dogs before so should be able to do it again.
:P
Might
take a resealable MBB with something allowed in it (I think snacks like
beef jerky sometimes come in a resealable MBB). Then you could switch
the allowed item to the baggie - hopefully before the dogs. I really
dont think MBBs would be detected by a wand anyway.
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My methods worked guys, loads of pills, cocaine and mephedrone made
it past 2 sniffer dogs, one of the spaniel variety and another a white
lab (didn't know they used these as sniff dogs?)
For pills and coke , MBB, washed, MBB, washed
Mephedrone, MBB, wash.
Concealed the pouches inside large FM radio, walked by dogs blasting the music, not even a sniff.
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Just made it outta Newbie Purgatory but would like to say happyhippy
has been sending me weed in this stuff for 2 years . The first time I
saw it I was WTF , its fuckin ace .
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Just thought I'd update, I got into festival with a load of MDMA/MDA, coke and meth in the heat seal foil.
There
were ~5 sniffer dogs upon entrance who were going up to everyone that
walked in and people were getting arrested left right and center, never
seen anything like it at a festival before.
The dog walked right up to me and then just carried onto the next person.
Feeling pretty shit now to be fair, but defiantly worth it ;D
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So does anyone have any visuals (pics/vid etc.) of how it is we
package an brownie/edible stealthy? Because i'm really alot in regards
to the bags but i still fail to see how it would work on an regular cut
of brownie.
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I
can access one of those wands, you know what I will find out for you!
can only test an MBB though, I would think heat sealed foil would set
them off though yes.
wrong.
mbb and heat seal foil are two different names for basically the same
thing lol. aluminium layer is of the same thickness so there's no reason
why the foil would set of the metal detectors while mbb wouldn't
Hey
Samesame, read this thread when I was starting up and it really helped
for packaging techniques. Would it be possible to be added to the list?
I'm a UK to worldwide vendor who sells 2C-E and 2C-B using vac seals and MBBs on all orders. My vendor link is below
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/885c2e06ab
you're
wasting your time with vac sealing/mbb. dogs do not look for 2c-e and
2c-b. vac sealing is only good for flattening things. mbbs provide a
good visual barrier though. if you can get custom printed mbbs (i know a
vendor who uses those) you can make it look very professional
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you're
wasting your time with vac sealing/mbb. dogs do not look for 2c-e and
2c-b. vac sealing is only good for flattening things. mbbs provide a
good visual barrier though. if you can get custom printed mbbs (i know a
vendor who uses those) you can make it look very professional
You
say it's a waste of time then point out a good reasons to use each
one..? Besides my customers seem to like the packaging I use so I think
that alone is a good enough incentive.
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Hey
Samesame, read this thread when I was starting up and it really helped
for packaging techniques. Would it be possible to be added to the list?
I'm a UK to worldwide vendor who sells 2C-E and 2C-B using vac seals and MBBs on all orders. My vendor link is below
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/885c2e06ab
Done :)
Welcome Love
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BTC King where can one buy custom MBB's? also where to buy regular ones! :-) thanks
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BTC King where can one buy custom MBB's? also where to buy regular ones! :-) thanks
Google suppliers...the internet is full of them....
:)
Doc
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I have these bags for sale and just got in some new sizes in stock! I
mainly offer 2.2mil thick metalized mylar bags but just got some nice
moisture barrier bags in stock! I will be listing these bags in the next
few days with the option to buy as few or as many as you want, bags
sold individually.
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So I decided to do some Analysis on current Vendors who are listed
at the start of the thread:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=119458
There's as
I'm writing this 44 Active Vendors, I'm going to post them all below
with their Name, Link, Country Origin ( with Shipping Destination in
Brackets [ ] ) and Amount of Listings. More analysis below each
refinement further down:
Name: 4sale
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/4f6ee73a39
Country Origin: Unknown [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: Angel Eyes
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/2a8a111331
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 5
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Name: ashylarry
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/f85784d8b0
Country Origin: Unknown [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: BashfulBetty
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/4283a3a09e
Country Origin: Canada [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 8
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Name: Best Dutch Drugs
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/1e693bb8b3
Country Origin: Unknown ( Netherlands ? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: Budworx UK
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/bd9b2bd948
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Various ]
Active Listings: 25
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Name: Bungee54
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/12c290570e
Country Origin: Belgium [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 8
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Name: Burning Babylon
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/bb9a215445
Country Origin: Sweden [ Shipping: Domestic Only: Sweden ]
Active Listings: 2
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Name: caman
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/7adf039b37
Country Origin: Unknown [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: CannabisKing
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/49e60653d7
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 1
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Name: Cork1Screw
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/11e4008097
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Various ]
Active Listings: 21
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Name: Countdown2013
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/a2af6de8b7
Country Origin: Unknown [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: Cyanspore
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/79c30e564a
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 1
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Name: DrCol
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/9c606585a7
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 3
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Name: Express Connect
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/e867ef394c
Country Origin: Unknown ( United States of America? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: farmer1
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/4d6b278a41
Country Origin: Unknown ( United States of America? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: ForeverJung
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/503d93d76d
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 2
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Name: Ganja Man
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/8633f6fb24
Country Origin: Philippines [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 13
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Name: globalshipping
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/d842b8827e
Country Origin: Unknown ( Portugal ? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: Goldust
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/cff5ec83b8
Country Origin: Unknown ( United Kingdom? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: ItalianMafiaBrussels
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/57e4e49d72
Country Origin: Unknown ( Belgium? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: jerseycow
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/b8e2078ce1
Country Origin: Ireland [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 14
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Name: KingoftheTrill
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/501ad082ff
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 1
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Name: Lloydsbrothers
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/7e623cc4ba
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 8
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Name: Love
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/885c2e06ab
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Various ]
Active Listings: 9
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Name: MaidMandy
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/2c851dc401
Country Origin: Unknown ( Ireland? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: MainStay
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/449d4f916e
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: MDUK
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/53909a1737
Country Origin: Unknown ( United Kingdom? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: MedicalM
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/6f5e106996
Country Origin: Unknown ( Germany? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: NorCalKing (NCK)
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/2877098b49
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 4
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Name: NW Nugz
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/6dec1f7750
Country Origin: Unknown ( United States of America? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: purptree4me
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/bfbdfedfb8
Country Origin: Unknown ( United States of America? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: pkizenko98
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/6e1faba451
Country Origin: Disabled or not Active [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: Disabled or not Active
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Name: PlutoPete
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/32fb08c984
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 165
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Name: rinran
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/84b3c02452
Country Origin: Unknown ( Multiple? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: reich
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/d1bc04e932
Country Origin: Unknown ( United Kingdom? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: SealTeam6
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/12a6b39cb9
Country Origin: Unknown [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: SimplyTheBest
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/1c67dc53ec
Country Origin: Czech Republic [ Shipping: Various ]
Active Listings: 23
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Name: subtickle
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/aea5f26b5a
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 2
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Name: Synthiotics
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/569df4e44b
Country Origin: Unknown [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: Thurgood Jenkins
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/82f8a43df1
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: USA and Canada ]
Active Listings: 7
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Name: WeBeWeedGirls
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/448f6e9f5b
Country Origin: Unknown [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: White Shark
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/57099b533e
Country Origin: Disabled or not Active [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: Disabled or not Active
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Name: XXXotica
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/1610b34961
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 2
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Now to say I'm a bit shocked by these results is an understatement. :o
So out of the 44 Vendors only 21 are Active, they are as follows:
Name: Angel Eyes
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/2a8a111331
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 5
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Name: BashfulBetty
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/4283a3a09e
Country Origin: Canada [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 8
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Name: Budworx UK
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/bd9b2bd948
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Various ]
Active Listings: 25
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Name: Bungee54
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/12c290570e
Country Origin: Belgium [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 8
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Name: Burning Babylon
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/bb9a215445
Country Origin: Sweden [ Shipping: Domestic Only: Sweden ]
Active Listings: 2
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Name: CannabisKing
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/49e60653d7
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 1
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Name: Cork1Screw
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/11e4008097
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Various ]
Active Listings: 21
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Name: Cyanspore
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/79c30e564a
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 1
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Name: DrCol
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/9c606585a7
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 3
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Name: ForeverJung
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/503d93d76d
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 2
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Name: Ganja Man
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/8633f6fb24
Country Origin: Philippines [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 13
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Name: jerseycow
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/b8e2078ce1
Country Origin: Ireland [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 14
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Name: KingoftheTrill
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/501ad082ff
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 1
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Name: Lloydsbrothers
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/7e623cc4ba
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 8
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Name: Love
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/885c2e06ab
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Various ]
Active Listings: 9
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Name: NorCalKing (NCK)
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/2877098b49
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 4
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Name: PlutoPete
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/32fb08c984
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 165
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Name: SimplyTheBest
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/1c67dc53ec
Country Origin: Czech Republic [ Shipping: Various ]
Active Listings: 23
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Name: subtickle
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/aea5f26b5a
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 2
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Name: Thurgood Jenkins
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/82f8a43df1
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: USA and Canada ]
Active Listings: 7
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Name: XXXotica
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/1610b34961
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 2
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The combined total of Listings for all 21 Active Vendors: 5+8+25+8+2+1+21+1+3+2+13+14+1+8+9+4+165+23+2+7+2=321
From
my post Re: Domestic Listings per Country/Region on Silk Road:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=176825.msg1366571#msg1366571
one can see there's currently 17066 undeclared listings ( I checked the
amount of undeclared listings just now and its 17254, so it's not far
off from the numbers I got roughly a week ago ). So this basically means
in an absolute best case scenario, 1,88093284893941 percent of all
listings on Silk Road utilize MBBs of some kind - needless to say
there's room for huge improvement here. :-X :'(
For a final
refinement I'm going through each Vendors who ships Worldwide and list
the amount of Drug Listings they have for sale:
BashfulBetty: 8
Budworx UK: 18
Bungee54: 8
cyanspore: 1
DrCol: 3
Ganja Man: 13
jerseycow: 14
Lloydsbrothers: 8
love: 8
PlutoPete: 28
SimplyTheBest: 6
subtickle: 2
So
all in all from 44 Vendors we're down to 12 Vendors who actually ship
Worldwide. The amount of actual Drug Listings ( with MBB capability )
which can be shipped worldwide is: 117
No wonder the Australians are having a hard time. ;D
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Those are just the people who bothered to report here, but it does
show how high the turnover rate in SR vendors is. In a few months, half
of them are gone.
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Those
are just the people who bothered to report here, but it does show how
high the turnover rate in SR vendors is. In a few months, half of them
are gone.
Yes,
I'm not entirely surprised...as a new and fairly active vendor (3
months, 300+ trades etc) I have to say fees, hidden costs (scams and
dealing with genuine loss in a respectful way), fluctuating BTC and
exchange challenges and keeping standards of supply and stealth
consistently high make the business proposition on SR quite demanding -
trying to keep prices "reasonable" and deliver value is tougher than
many initially think.
Many customers bemoan the high prices but
forget quality costs and conducting business well here is a high
overhead....personally I try to offer great value and support but it
does take a great effort to maintain this for customers.
Not
moaning here, as it is possible to do good business on SR, but for many I
imagine it may not be worth the risks inherent - it would only take a
few days out of trade activity to ensure many fail...the recent slump in
BTC rate was a good example which hit many decent vendors badly I am
sure. Without significant cash-flow it's a very tricky business to
conduct safely!
Anyway, you're all welcome to come shopping at my
store - though in seven days I take a vacation so make sure you get
your orders in swiftly!!!
:)
Doc
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Not much worse than legal vending, though. They say 80% of new businesses fail, right?
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Not much worse than legal vending, though. They say 80% of new businesses fail, right?
Fair point :)
Doc
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Those
are just the people who bothered to report here, but it does show how
high the turnover rate in SR vendors is. In a few months, half of them
are gone.
Wow yes that does put things into perspective, never realized the turnover rate was that high but now you point it out, damn.
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Hi All
Just wanted to ask about Moisture Barrier Bags. I've
already had SSBD confirm that MBBs shouldn't be see through. But I
wanted to know if anybody else has received a package in an "MBB" that
is see through thick grey plastic. The vendor assures me that it is in
fact a moisture barrier bag but I'm not sure what to believe. The vendor
is K_Queen in the UK and they have mostly good feedback about stealth
I
have to say though DrCols stealth is top notch and it's no denying that
is sent in an MBB. I hope I can get another order in before he goes on
vacation
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Hi All
Just
wanted to ask about Moisture Barrier Bags. I've already had SSBD
confirm that MBBs shouldn't be see through. But I wanted to know if
anybody else has received a package in an "MBB" that is see through
thick grey plastic. The vendor assures me that it is in fact a moisture
barrier bag but I'm not sure what to believe. The vendor is K_Queen in
the UK and they have mostly good feedback about stealth
I have to
say though DrCols stealth is top notch and it's no denying that is sent
in an MBB. I hope I can get another order in before he goes on vacation
Thanks for the name check and your kind words (I try my best to keep you guys safe!)
I'm working through to next Friday - then will be on vacation for ten days :)
So if you need supplies, pop the order into me...you know I process quickly and will get it out to you as fast as possible...
Have a good weekend everyone
Doc
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My understanding was MBB should have a foil shield layer but having
just googled "see through moisture barrier bags" there appears to be
some available so maybe there is such a thing.
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Hey guys
The see through mylar has to deal with the level of
thickness I believe. When I had 3.5 mil they were see through, but my
current 4 mil are not see through.
"These 5 mil thick mylar bags
have a middle layer of aluminum (.00035 which is ideal) and 2 different
plastic layers on the inside and outside designed for a wide range of
products including long term food storage. Watch out, they are NOT
simply metalized polyester that others may offer in the 3.5 mil range
that you can actually see through if you hold it up to the light. What
is the point in buying a mylar bag if light can still get through it?
It's unnecessary since we sell our 5 mil for less than most others sell
their 3.5 mil. For all practical purposes they are light proof, oxygen
proof, air proof and water proof"
However if they do double mylar I think that would still be sufficient.
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You forgot about me! I have metalized mylar bags, just got new sizes
of the mylar and also got some of the thick grey plastic mbb's that
will soon be listed! And for stats, I have been selling here for 8
months, 10 months selling on the dark web, and no plans to leave!
Name: Mendohashman
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/a3e97805b2
Country of origin: USA Shipping: USA only, sorry
Active listings: 55
Not all my listings are drugs, mylar bags, paraphernalia, lottories, and more all available, check me out!
So
I decided to do some Analysis on current Vendors who are listed at the
start of the thread:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=119458
There's as
I'm writing this 44 Active Vendors, I'm going to post them all below
with their Name, Link, Country Origin ( with Shipping Destination in
Brackets [ ] ) and Amount of Listings. More analysis below each
refinement further down:
Name: 4sale
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/4f6ee73a39
Country Origin: Unknown [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: Angel Eyes
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/2a8a111331
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 5
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Name: ashylarry
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/f85784d8b0
Country Origin: Unknown [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: BashfulBetty
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/4283a3a09e
Country Origin: Canada [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 8
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Name: Best Dutch Drugs
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/1e693bb8b3
Country Origin: Unknown ( Netherlands ? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: Budworx UK
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/bd9b2bd948
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Various ]
Active Listings: 25
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Name: Bungee54
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/12c290570e
Country Origin: Belgium [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 8
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Name: Burning Babylon
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/bb9a215445
Country Origin: Sweden [ Shipping: Domestic Only: Sweden ]
Active Listings: 2
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Name: caman
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/7adf039b37
Country Origin: Unknown [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: CannabisKing
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/49e60653d7
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 1
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Name: Cork1Screw
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/11e4008097
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Various ]
Active Listings: 21
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Name: Countdown2013
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/a2af6de8b7
Country Origin: Unknown [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: Cyanspore
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/79c30e564a
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 1
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Name: DrCol
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/9c606585a7
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 3
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Name: Express Connect
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/e867ef394c
Country Origin: Unknown ( United States of America? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: farmer1
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/4d6b278a41
Country Origin: Unknown ( United States of America? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: ForeverJung
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/503d93d76d
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 2
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Name: Ganja Man
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/8633f6fb24
Country Origin: Philippines [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 13
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Name: globalshipping
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/d842b8827e
Country Origin: Unknown ( Portugal ? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: Goldust
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/cff5ec83b8
Country Origin: Unknown ( United Kingdom? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: ItalianMafiaBrussels
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/57e4e49d72
Country Origin: Unknown ( Belgium? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: jerseycow
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/b8e2078ce1
Country Origin: Ireland [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 14
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Name: KingoftheTrill
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/501ad082ff
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 1
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Name: Lloydsbrothers
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/7e623cc4ba
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 8
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Name: Love
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/885c2e06ab
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Various ]
Active Listings: 9
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Name: MaidMandy
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/2c851dc401
Country Origin: Unknown ( Ireland? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: MainStay
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/449d4f916e
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: MDUK
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/53909a1737
Country Origin: Unknown ( United Kingdom? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: MedicalM
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/6f5e106996
Country Origin: Unknown ( Germany? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: NorCalKing (NCK)
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/2877098b49
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 4
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Name: NW Nugz
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/6dec1f7750
Country Origin: Unknown ( United States of America? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: purptree4me
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/bfbdfedfb8
Country Origin: Unknown ( United States of America? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: pkizenko98
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/6e1faba451
Country Origin: Disabled or not Active [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: Disabled or not Active
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Name: PlutoPete
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/32fb08c984
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 165
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Name: rinran
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/84b3c02452
Country Origin: Unknown ( Multiple? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: reich
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/d1bc04e932
Country Origin: Unknown ( United Kingdom? ) [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: SealTeam6
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/12a6b39cb9
Country Origin: Unknown [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: SimplyTheBest
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/1c67dc53ec
Country Origin: Czech Republic [ Shipping: Various ]
Active Listings: 23
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Name: subtickle
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/aea5f26b5a
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 2
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Name: Synthiotics
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/569df4e44b
Country Origin: Unknown [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: Thurgood Jenkins
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/82f8a43df1
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: USA and Canada ]
Active Listings: 7
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Name: WeBeWeedGirls
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/448f6e9f5b
Country Origin: Unknown [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: 0
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Name: White Shark
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/57099b533e
Country Origin: Disabled or not Active [ Shipping: N/A ]
Active Listings: Disabled or not Active
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Name: XXXotica
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/1610b34961
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 2
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Now to say I'm a bit shocked by these results is an understatement. :o
So out of the 44 Vendors only 21 are Active, they are as follows:
Name: Angel Eyes
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/2a8a111331
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 5
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Name: BashfulBetty
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/4283a3a09e
Country Origin: Canada [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 8
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Name: Budworx UK
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/bd9b2bd948
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Various ]
Active Listings: 25
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Name: Bungee54
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/12c290570e
Country Origin: Belgium [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 8
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Name: Burning Babylon
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/bb9a215445
Country Origin: Sweden [ Shipping: Domestic Only: Sweden ]
Active Listings: 2
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Name: CannabisKing
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/49e60653d7
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 1
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Name: Cork1Screw
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/11e4008097
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Various ]
Active Listings: 21
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Name: Cyanspore
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/79c30e564a
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 1
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Name: DrCol
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/9c606585a7
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 3
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Name: ForeverJung
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/503d93d76d
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 2
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Name: Ganja Man
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/8633f6fb24
Country Origin: Philippines [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 13
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Name: jerseycow
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/b8e2078ce1
Country Origin: Ireland [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 14
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Name: KingoftheTrill
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/501ad082ff
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 1
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Name: Lloydsbrothers
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/7e623cc4ba
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 8
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Name: Love
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/885c2e06ab
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Various ]
Active Listings: 9
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Name: NorCalKing (NCK)
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/2877098b49
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 4
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Name: PlutoPete
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/32fb08c984
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 165
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Name: SimplyTheBest
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/1c67dc53ec
Country Origin: Czech Republic [ Shipping: Various ]
Active Listings: 23
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Name: subtickle
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/aea5f26b5a
Country Origin: United Kingdom [ Shipping: Worldwide ]
Active Listings: 2
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Name: Thurgood Jenkins
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/82f8a43df1
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: USA and Canada ]
Active Listings: 7
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Name: XXXotica
Link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/1610b34961
Country Origin: United States of America [ Shipping: Domestic Only: United States of America ]
Active Listings: 2
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The combined total of Listings for all 21 Active Vendors: 5+8+25+8+2+1+21+1+3+2+13+14+1+8+9+4+165+23+2+7+2=321
From
my post Re: Domestic Listings per Country/Region on Silk Road:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=176825.msg1366571#msg1366571
one can see there's currently 17066 undeclared listings ( I checked the
amount of undeclared listings just now and its 17254, so it's not far
off from the numbers I got roughly a week ago ). So this basically means
in an absolute best case scenario, 1,88093284893941 percent of all
listings on Silk Road utilize MBBs of some kind - needless to say
there's room for huge improvement here. :-X :'(
For a final
refinement I'm going through each Vendors who ships Worldwide and list
the amount of Drug Listings they have for sale:
BashfulBetty: 8
Budworx UK: 18
Bungee54: 8
cyanspore: 1
DrCol: 3
Ganja Man: 13
jerseycow: 14
Lloydsbrothers: 8
love: 8
PlutoPete: 28
SimplyTheBest: 6
subtickle: 2
So
all in all from 44 Vendors we're down to 12 Vendors who actually ship
Worldwide. The amount of actual Drug Listings ( with MBB capability )
which can be shipped worldwide is: 117
No wonder the Australians are having a hard time. ;D
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so wierd, we made a post in a completely different thread and it ende up here??
mods... wierd...
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Hi All
Just
wanted to ask about Moisture Barrier Bags. I've already had SSBD
confirm that MBBs shouldn't be see through. But I wanted to know if
anybody else has received a package in an "MBB" that is see through
thick grey plastic. The vendor assures me that it is in fact a moisture
barrier bag but I'm not sure what to believe. The vendor is K_Queen in
the UK and they have mostly good feedback about stealth
I have to
say though DrCols stealth is top notch and it's no denying that is sent
in an MBB. I hope I can get another order in before he goes on vacation
MBB's
can be transparent, some are polymer laminates that just look like a
thick plastic bag, some are polymer laminates with a metallised layer
that is applied like electroplating and these look like see through
metallic bags, and some are the type with an actual sheet of thin metal
as one of the layers.
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Hi All
Just
wanted to ask about Moisture Barrier Bags. I've already had SSBD
confirm that MBBs shouldn't be see through. But I wanted to know if
anybody else has received a package in an "MBB" that is see through
thick grey plastic. The vendor assures me that it is in fact a moisture
barrier bag but I'm not sure what to believe. The vendor is K_Queen in
the UK and they have mostly good feedback about stealth
I have to
say though DrCols stealth is top notch and it's no denying that is sent
in an MBB. I hope I can get another order in before he goes on vacation
MBB's
can be transparent, some are polymer laminates that just look like a
thick plastic bag, some are polymer laminates with a metallised layer
that is applied like electroplating and these look like see through
metallic bags, and some are the type with an actual sheet of thin metal
as one of the layers.
Thanks
for the clarification. Maybe I can trust this vendors shipping methods.
Although the stealth is still not up to the standards of other vendors I
have used from the UK
-
NW Nugz was in vacation mode for a few days, but, we are usually
open for business. I'd guess other vendors run out of stock occasionally
and may not have "gone out of business". Some may even be in stealth
mode with all the customers they can handle? This time of year I would
expect bud vendors to run low on stock before the flood of Fall harvests
brings back old vendors and some new.
The semi-transparent
"anti-static bags" I have seen are thinner and probably do a pretty good
job of containing smell. I sometimes use one as an inner layer. I do
not consider them true "MBBs". There are also thinner bags that do block
vision that may also not be true "MBBs". I like 3M brand series 2000
and higher. I am sure there are other good ones though. I think what
matters is the smell penetration numbers that are discussed in early
posts in this thread. Any good bag should have that number available
online and we probably should have a number stated in the OP that is a
guidline? maximum.
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Ok, so is it just me or do people not consider mylar bags to be
"real stealth"? I've had two customers leave me feedback saying "poor
stealth" or "almost no stealth". All my products are heat sealed into
bags and labeled as a vitamin supplement with CAS information labeled
onto the bag. One person responded back to me "my other orders were
vacuum sealed". Am I doing something wrong? Do I have to vac seal AND
heat seal into mylar? I'm not even selling bud, just legally grey
research chemicals. It's just a shame because I feel like people are
going to read my feedback and assume that I'm sending shit in a loose
ziplock labeled THIS IS NOT DRUGS AND NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION HURURUR
-
Ok,
so is it just me or do people not consider mylar bags to be "real
stealth"? I've had two customers leave me feedback saying "poor stealth"
or "almost no stealth". All my products are heat sealed into bags and
labeled as a vitamin supplement with CAS information labeled onto the
bag. One person responded back to me "my other orders were vacuum
sealed". Am I doing something wrong? Do I have to vac seal AND heat seal
into mylar? ...
Some
people do leave false feedback to hurt vendor reputations
intentionally. Also, many customers mistakenly believe vac-sealing helps
keep in the smell. So, it may be worth it to do it for that reason if
no other. There can be good reasons to vac seal such as making the
package smaller. If your CAS info label tells the truth?, then I would
agree you don't have much stealth. Assuming it is false and matches a
similar textured product, you probably should not be mentioning such
details here ;-). I also have no idea about the quality of the "Mylar
bags" you are using. Are they thick and a vision blocking layer? Again,
this might not matter if the products don't smell. But if customers
think it matters, best make 'em happy while you work on educating the
masses about what stealth actually helps. You could even offer a
shipping option with extra bells and whistles for customers that want to
pay extra to feel safer?
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8)
Hello all!
Pleased to announce that we,
THECOMPANY, are now shipping using Heavy Duty Moisture Barrier Bags..
plus use double vaccumed sealed pkgs with MBB bags heat sealed around
the item and disguised.
Our shipping and packaging is on another level now!
Thanks!
tC
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OP updated, vendors TheCompany and MendoHashMan now added to the list.
I'm
going to have to spend some time editing the list at some stage as it
would seem a fair few of the vendors listed are no longer active.
-
Great thread, using these vendors should relieve most of the anxiety
of ordering, was going to suggest you add the vendors country they're
based in next to them but burning Babylon beat me to it, massive time
saver. Thanks a lot.
-
I am looking at upgrading to this even though im only domestic just
for the extra safety aspect and for my Customers peace of mind. Which of
the new types of packaging is determined to be the best and could any
Aussies chime in as to where they are best purchased with cash (not off
ebay or SR). Are they the same kind of bags that computer/electronic
parts come in? Any info Appreciated.
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I
am looking at upgrading to this even though im only domestic just for
the extra safety aspect and for my Customers peace of mind. Which of the
new types of packaging is determined to be the best and could any
Aussies chime in as to where they are best purchased with cash (not off
ebay or SR). Are they the same kind of bags that computer/electronic
parts come in? Any info Appreciated.
Customer safety first. ....you're a bloody champ★★★★★
I
might want to send a personal message to 1) Pluto Peter (he's posted on
this thread) & 2) Samesamebutdifferent. ..Thread starter.
........and both these gents will point you in the right direction.
Futher
on....once your incorporate the use of MBB'S then post it up on 3
places Here..Your Vendor page....and in the Australian thread.
Well done Crystal Burns.
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I
am looking at upgrading to this even though im only domestic just for
the extra safety aspect and for my Customers peace of mind. Which of the
new types of packaging is determined to be the best and could any
Aussies chime in as to where they are best purchased with cash (not off
ebay or SR). Are they the same kind of bags that computer/electronic
parts come in? Any info Appreciated.
There
are some links in the OP you might want to check out, I am assuming
that you can order using a pre pay visa/mastercard to make the sale
anonymous and yes they are the same types of bags as used for electronic
equipment.
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Thanks so much for sharing all this great information! I have
placed an order for all new shipping materials, and will also elevate my
'stealth' game to the next level. Although I don't sell coke,
weed, or meth, I do sell pills and Suboxone. Can't wait for the
new materials!! I'm so glad I read this thread.
-
Being the OP of this thread I am obviously very happy to see how it
has helped shape change shipping practices to safer methods using non
permeable packaging.
Customs are not sitting idly by though and I
have it on good authority AU customs have changed their tactics, they
may be scanning more letter mail than before or as someone recently
suggested to me they could be using other methods to detect MBB, e.g.
metal detection.
I have no solid proof of either of these
theories but having recently lost an MBB'd order from a vendor whom I
trust, I can therefore only conclude that my letter was subjected to
something more than a canine sweep, or I just got unlucky, who knows...
So
I open this up for further discussion, it is good to keep evolving so
now I am going to see if there are MBB's that do not have a metalized
layer.
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Agreed, and please put a fucking baggie inside the vac seal, i have
had four layer for 4mmc, in food seal vac seal and it stunk
as soon as opened jiffy (not seal)
-
Being
the OP of this thread I am obviously very happy to see how it has
helped shape change shipping practices to safer methods using non
permeable packaging.
Customs are not sitting idly by though and I
have it on good authority AU customs have changed their tactics, they
may be scanning more letter mail than before or as someone recently
suggested to me they could be using other methods to detect MBB, e.g.
metal detection.
I have no solid proof of either of these
theories but having recently lost an MBB'd order from a vendor whom I
trust, I can therefore only conclude that my letter was subjected to
something more than a canine sweep, or I just got unlucky, who knows...
So
I open this up for further discussion, it is good to keep evolving so
now I am going to see if there are MBB's that do not have a metalized
layer.
I
agree mate, I recently was in touch with a customer in AUS and was
informed that customs are scanning or xraying or something for Mbb's.
We
need to come up with some new methods to incorporate these materials
into, Otherwise they wont smell it anymore, but will see it via
machines. We are getting very comfortable here and need to step our game
up.
every month or so everyone should be reminded to use new
methods and ways to beat machines need to be shared and new ones thought
up often.
-
Being
the OP of this thread I am obviously very happy to see how it has
helped shape change shipping practices to safer methods using non
permeable packaging.
Customs are not sitting idly by though and I
have it on good authority AU customs have changed their tactics, they
may be scanning more letter mail than before or as someone recently
suggested to me they could be using other methods to detect MBB, e.g.
metal detection.
I have no solid proof of either of these
theories but having recently lost an MBB'd order from a vendor whom I
trust, I can therefore only conclude that my letter was subjected to
something more than a canine sweep, or I just got unlucky, who knows...
So
I open this up for further discussion, it is good to keep evolving so
now I am going to see if there are MBB's that do not have a metalized
layer.
I
agree mate, I recently was in touch with a customer in AUS and was
informed that customs are scanning or xraying or something for Mbb's.
We
need to come up with some new methods to incorporate these materials
into, Otherwise they wont smell it anymore, but will see it via
machines. We are getting very comfortable here and need to step our game
up.
every month or so everyone should be reminded to use new
methods and ways to beat machines need to be shared and new ones thought
up often.
I would be surprised if every letter was x-rayed...
THE RESOURCES TO DO THIS WOULD BE IMMENSE.
I may be mistaken, but I believe well concealed, simple packing will be best option....
Any other options to MBB for odour are usless... IMHO
Doc
-
Being
the OP of this thread I am obviously very happy to see how it has
helped shape change shipping practices to safer methods using non
permeable packaging.
Customs are not sitting idly by though and I
have it on good authority AU customs have changed their tactics, they
may be scanning more letter mail than before or as someone recently
suggested to me they could be using other methods to detect MBB, e.g.
metal detection.
I have no solid proof of either of these
theories but having recently lost an MBB'd order from a vendor whom I
trust, I can therefore only conclude that my letter was subjected to
something more than a canine sweep, or I just got unlucky, who knows...
So
I open this up for further discussion, it is good to keep evolving so
now I am going to see if there are MBB's that do not have a metalized
layer.
I
agree mate, I recently was in touch with a customer in AUS and was
informed that customs are scanning or xraying or something for Mbb's.
We
need to come up with some new methods to incorporate these materials
into, Otherwise they wont smell it anymore, but will see it via
machines. We are getting very comfortable here and need to step our game
up.
every month or so everyone should be reminded to use new
methods and ways to beat machines need to be shared and new ones thought
up often.
I would be surprised if every letter was x-rayed...
THE RESOURCES TO DO THIS WOULD BE IMMENSE.
I may be mistaken, but I believe well concealed, simple packing will be best option....
Any other options to MBB for odour are usless... IMHO
Doc
The
resources to do this would not be so immense if they are scanning large
amounts of letter mail in pallets which is what I have heard that they
are doing.
I agree though there is no better alternative for non permeation wit ha low MVTR than MBB/heat sealed foil/Mylar.
-
Being
the OP of this thread I am obviously very happy to see how it has
helped shape change shipping practices to safer methods using non
permeable packaging.
Customs are not sitting idly by though and I
have it on good authority AU customs have changed their tactics, they
may be scanning more letter mail than before or as someone recently
suggested to me they could be using other methods to detect MBB, e.g.
metal detection.
I have no solid proof of either of these
theories but having recently lost an MBB'd order from a vendor whom I
trust, I can therefore only conclude that my letter was subjected to
something more than a canine sweep, or I just got unlucky, who knows...
So
I open this up for further discussion, it is good to keep evolving so
now I am going to see if there are MBB's that do not have a metalized
layer.
I
agree mate, I recently was in touch with a customer in AUS and was
informed that customs are scanning or xraying or something for Mbb's.
We
need to come up with some new methods to incorporate these materials
into, Otherwise they wont smell it anymore, but will see it via
machines. We are getting very comfortable here and need to step our game
up.
every month or so everyone should be reminded to use new
methods and ways to beat machines need to be shared and new ones thought
up often.
I would be surprised if every letter was x-rayed...
THE RESOURCES TO DO THIS WOULD BE IMMENSE.
I may be mistaken, but I believe well concealed, simple packing will be best option....
Any other options to MBB for odour are usless... IMHO
Doc
The
resources to do this would not be so immense if they are scanning large
amounts of letter mail in pallets which is what I have heard that they
are doing.
I agree though there is no better alternative for non permeation wit ha low MVTR than MBB/heat sealed foil/Mylar.
I'd
be interested in the machinery that could scan a pallet of letters - it
seems unlikely - do you mean they simply throw a pallet worth of mail
into a scanner - in which case it is very painstaking to ID specific
rogue packets. I know the queue at the airport takes forever so imagine
with 1000's of envelopes...
Still quite right to be vigilent and aware of rumour..
As always guys, appreciate the intel and will keep eyes open and brain engaged for new options!
Doc
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I
agree mate, I recently was in touch with a customer in AUS and was
informed that customs are scanning or xraying or something for Mbb's.
We
need to come up with some new methods to incorporate these materials
into, Otherwise they wont smell it anymore, but will see it via
machines. We are getting very comfortable here and need to step our game
up.
every month or so everyone should be reminded to use new
methods and ways to beat machines need to be shared and new ones thought
up often.
Keep
in mind this is all Chinese whispers, someone hears a rumour then
passes it on or adds to it. I wouldn't be surprised if law enforcement
deliberately add small lies when talking to people they feel are likely
to propagate purely because it doesn't cost them anything and can
benefit them to sow discord and make people paranoid about ordering (so
less likely to order).
There
are some links in the OP you might want to check out, I am assuming
that you can order using a pre pay visa/mastercard to make the sale
anonymous and yes they are the same types of bags as used for electronic
equipment.
Not
sure I'm getting you right, how would using a prepaid card make a
purchase anonymous if you're getting it ordered to an address?
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Im thinking off adding AAA La Blanca Marijuana to my items for sale
and these bags would be perfect. So as far as shipping MJ safely
would there be any necessary added security in addition to the moisture
resistant bags or would i just place orders in a ziploc (1/2 oz or less )
then vacuum seal in the foil bag and send off safely. Keep in
mind im planning on mostly domestic US to US shipping.
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I
agree mate, I recently was in touch with a customer in AUS and was
informed that customs are scanning or xraying or something for Mbb's.
We
need to come up with some new methods to incorporate these materials
into, Otherwise they wont smell it anymore, but will see it via
machines. We are getting very comfortable here and need to step our game
up.
every month or so everyone should be reminded to use new
methods and ways to beat machines need to be shared and new ones thought
up often.
Keep
in mind this is all Chinese whispers, someone hears a rumour then
passes it on or adds to it. I wouldn't be surprised if law enforcement
deliberately add small lies when talking to people they feel are likely
to propagate purely because it doesn't cost them anything and can
benefit them to sow discord and make people paranoid about ordering (so
less likely to order).
There
are some links in the OP you might want to check out, I am assuming
that you can order using a pre pay visa/mastercard to make the sale
anonymous and yes they are the same types of bags as used for electronic
equipment.
Not
sure I'm getting you right, how would using a prepaid card make a
purchase anonymous if you're getting it ordered to an address?
Don't have it sent to an address linked to you., use a safe drop if you are that concerned.
-
Been using heat sealed mbb since day 1.
-
damn Aussies sealed their fate once they gave up all their
guns.. now they'll probably have all their mail ripped searched
and not complain a wimper
all in the name of safety!
-
I
have no solid proof of either of these theories but having recently
lost an MBB'd order from a vendor whom I trust, I can therefore only
conclude that my letter was subjected to something more than a canine
sweep, or I just got unlucky, who knows...
So I open this up for
further discussion, it is good to keep evolving so now I am going to see
if there are MBB's that do not have a metalized layer.
Very
possible it was caught by random inspection. Certain % are always
checked randomly. Maybe profiled by address, maybe was in bin next to
bad packed weed and was checked along with all else in smelly bin. Many
possibilities that more likely then all mail get x-ray. Many items are
sent in MBB include electronics and moisture sensitive papers, film,
spices, teas, list is endless.
Watch for psyops and mis information at all times.
multi laminate bags using specialized resins and OPP,Nylon,LDPE in combinations can approach or equal near Metal layer bags.
Try
to have send to you 10-15 packages of legal spices that are known to be
packed in MBB bags from international and see what % make it and what
condition they arrive in.
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For anyone that needs these bags Im going to be putting up listings
for some MBB bags that are 10'' x 12'' these fuckers are huge.
These big guys can be cut into
12 - 3.33" x 3'' bags (currently about $.37 each on SR) Total $4.44 per 1 of my $2 bags
9 - 3.33'' x 4'' bags (Currently about $.44 each) Total $3.96 per 1 of my $2 bags
8 - 3'' x 5'' bags (Currently about $.47 each) Total $3.76 per 1 of my $2 bags
6-
5'' x 4'' bags (currently about $.60
each) Total $3.60 per 1 of my $2 bags
4-
5'' x 6'' bags (Currently about $.77
each) Total $3.08 per 1 of my $2 bags
2- 5'' x 12'' bags (Not available on SR)
1- 10" x 12" bag (Not Available on SR)
These
are perfect for diverse sellers who sell many different products as you
can make bags of all different sizes for all of your products. Im
only charging $2 per bag which will end up saving you a lot on
bags. Plus you will only need to receive one package versus 2 or 3
if you wanted to buy a couple different sizes of bags. I will
consider price cuts on bulk orders PM me for details.
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I use a use heat bags! :) Can i can get in you're list pls?
Realdeals: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/11897f24a2
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I use a use heat bags! :) Can i can get in you're list pls?
Realdeals: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/11897f24a2
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I use a use heat bags! :) Can i can get in you're list pls?
Realdeals: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/11897f24a2
If
you mean Oven bags (for cooking), I would agree they do keep in smell
much better than a ziplock. It would be interesting to compare them to
MBBs (the kind of bags that do get you on this threads list). I don't
think they can be heat-sealed, but there may be good ways to make them
airtight?
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I use a use heat bags! :) Can i can get in you're list pls?
Realdeals: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/11897f24a2
Done :)
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Customs
are not sitting idly by though and I have it on good authority AU
customs have changed their tactics, they may be scanning more letter
mail than before or as someone recently suggested to me they could be
using other methods to detect MBB, e.g. metal detection.
I have
no solid proof of either of these theories but having recently lost an
MBB'd order from a vendor whom I trust, I can therefore only conclude
that my letter was subjected to something more than a canine sweep, or I
just got unlucky, who knows...
Out
of interest, do you think AU customs are so good because their main
focus is on small animals/insects that could destroy habitat or are they
focused heavily on drugs too? Would you say drugs come second and
because their focus on the other is so strong, more drugs parcels are
caught?
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Just so most know MBB bags are normally taged with lot or batch number:(
we finally got past this bump
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Customs
are not sitting idly by though and I have it on good authority AU
customs have changed their tactics, they may be scanning more letter
mail than before or as someone recently suggested to me they could be
using other methods to detect MBB, e.g. metal detection.
I have
no solid proof of either of these theories but having recently lost an
MBB'd order from a vendor whom I trust, I can therefore only conclude
that my letter was subjected to something more than a canine sweep, or I
just got unlucky, who knows...
Out
of interest, do you think AU customs are so good because their main
focus is on small animals/insects that could destroy habitat or are they
focused heavily on drugs too? Would you say drugs come second and
because their focus on the other is so strong, more drugs parcels are
caught?
Personally
I think there are a number of factors that converge to create
challenges, for one nearly all international mail entering Australia
comes in via the Sydney mail center. Customs officers also work in teams
for several months at a time so they get their eye in for spotting
stealth and packaging techniques so they can profile some methods fairly
easily.
Customs services have also had their funding cut so I
wouldn't be supervised if they were trying to justify their existence
this year so they can say "hey look at all these drugs coming in, if you
cut our funding Australia will be flooded with dangerous drugs, think
of the children!"
I'm sure a lot of drugs also just get caught up
in the bio security dragnet but like I said I suspect its more a
combination of factors making AU a country you need to up your stealth
methods for.
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Just a thought....if customs in AU are in fact detecting the metal
in these bags could we not implement encapsulated polymers that are
impervious to permeation? I have a few ideas of some methods in which
this would be handy, considering you could mold it into any shape and
profile you wish.
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Basically, there are 3 kinds of MBB, Tyvek MBB, AMBB and ANMBB, in
the the market. The key factor of moisture barrier function of the bag
is metal layer, like thickness of the foil layer, foil or metalized,
etc., but thickness or material of other layers also can partially
affect the quality of MBB.
TMBB has no metal layer, but will be
used for less moisture sensitive device and this bag can also be a good
choice for foods packing, which requires clean and vacuum properties.
So
I'm assuming the TMBB has a higher MVTR than normal MBB thus making it
not worth using as a canine sweep is the most likely cause of detection.
That's assuming they haven't implemented more stringent screening as as
matter of course.
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Bags for certain industries (electronics, pharma, bio) are often tagged with visible batch numbers.
Food
service bags for smaller scale use (small craft/production market, home
retort canning/preserving, spices) generally are not batch numbered
that I've seen.
I keep reposting these, but they have decent information in them and are both viewable via
http://view.samurajdata.se
for those who don't want to download pdfs.
They
also specifically discuss aroma barrier for industry-standard aromas.
No one's studied cannabis storage/packaging and aroma barrier as part of
the food/beverage/etc packaging industry thus far (as far as I know),
but I expect that will start to be openly studied/published now in the
US. Or maybe it will just come from the local ag extensions.
That should give some nice data on permeance, though. :)
http://www.eval.eu/media/36919/ea%20-%20technical%20bulletin%20no%20190.pdf
FLAVOR AND AROMA BARRIER PROPERTIES OF EVAL® RESINS
This is industry sponsored, so be aware of bias re their product, but the basic ideas come through very clearly.
See tables 4, 5, 6.
Acronyms are all easily searchable.
This is more indepth -
http://www.drugswell.com/winow/+%20new11/+%20Food%20Storage%20Stability/2646ch10.pdf
Factors affecting permeation, sorption, and migration processes in package–product systems
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is desiccant important?
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Just so most know MBB bags are normally taged with lot or batch number:(
we finally got past this bump
usually it's on the top half of the bag isn't it? just seal below it and cut the part with writing off
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Bags for certain industries (electronics, pharma, bio) are often tagged with visible batch numbers.
Food
service bags for smaller scale use (small craft/production market, home
retort canning/preserving, spices) generally are not batch numbered
that I've seen.
I keep reposting these, but they have decent information in them and are both viewable via
http://view.samurajdata.se
for those who don't want to download pdfs.
They
also specifically discuss aroma barrier for industry-standard aromas.
No one's studied cannabis storage/packaging and aroma barrier as part of
the food/beverage/etc packaging industry thus far (as far as I know),
but I expect that will start to be openly studied/published now in the
US. Or maybe it will just come from the local ag extensions.
That should give some nice data on permeance, though. :)
http://www.eval.eu/media/36919/ea%20-%20technical%20bulletin%20no%20190.pdf
FLAVOR AND AROMA BARRIER PROPERTIES OF EVAL® RESINS
This is industry sponsored, so be aware of bias re their product, but the basic ideas come through very clearly.
See tables 4, 5, 6.
Acronyms are all easily searchable.
This is more indepth -
http://www.drugswell.com/winow/+%20new11/+%20Food%20Storage%20Stability/2646ch10.pdf
Factors affecting permeation, sorption, and migration processes in package–product systems
This information was very valuable to me. Thanks for sharing.