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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: danksmagee88 on March 17, 2012, 10:45 am
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I have relatively high opiate tolerance (daily user 3+yrs used to extremely high quality h - i.e. tonys pebbles etc) BUT i have never done fentanyl and have always wanted to...so i figured now that i have sr at my fingertips maybe ill order some (its def expensive but what good isn't)..
so i was wondering: a. how do you iv patches? i have experience iving many varieties of pills, varieties of h, etc but as much info would be appreciated but fentanyl protocol specifically b. do i need to make sure to get a certain kind? i.e. ive heard some gel up some don't... and c. what dosage do you recommend? and how does like mcg per hr work vs ug per hr on some listings, if it says 3 days 100 mcg per hr does that mean it really contains 100 x 72 so 7200mcg?? have many hits would that be? or if i have that math wrong how?
Thank you so much! theres so much shared knowledge on here its wonderful! also please don't just lecture me on safety..please tell me safe doses and ya i always start relatively small and work up but when i researched "how to iv" in other forums (not sr) it was all bs on why not to and thanks but not what im looking for.. also if there is already an sr forum on this topic just send me there, i looked but not extensively..thanks again!!
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I can't reply on the IV'ing of fentanyl, as my ROA is to use them sublingually. But they (the 100mcg/hr) patches are either in gel form (in the USA), or a solid matrix (Canada), and the majority from Canada contain 16.5 mg of Fent. each..... Ive seen them range from 10 mg. to 16.5 mg.
and if your going to IV this stuff, be safe, its very potent.
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so i was wondering: a. how do you iv patches? i have experience iving many varieties of pills, varieties of h, etc but as much info would be appreciated but fentanyl protocol specifically b. do i need to make sure to get a certain kind? i.e. ive heard some gel up some don't... and c. what dosage do you recommend? and how does like mcg per hr work vs ug per hr on some listings, if it says 3 days 100 mcg per hr does that mean it really contains 100 x 72 so 7200mcg?? have many hits would that be? or if i have that math wrong how?
I don't know how to iv
yes, the math was correct 7200mcg but be careful, its much more potent than heroin as example
Go talk to seller Jacky, he has 100ug patches you can do oral...Opi was right!!:-)
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honestly man I would NOT risk IVing fent. Its dose is SO hard to 'measure' that you wouldn't know difference between an awesome nod, and an overdose.
You should just stick to oral fent use, or nasally if its in powder(obviously buffed up a bit to make for safer dosing)
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honestly man I would NOT risk IVing fent. Its dose is SO hard to 'measure' that you wouldn't know difference between an awesome nod, and an overdose.
You should just stick to oral fent use, or nasally if its in powder(obviously buffed up a bit to make for safer dosing)
right.. but like i just said i am going to so if someone can tell me how to correctly (i know its high potency sure but i also know its possible) would be appreciated, otherwise (no offense meant at all but) no need to waste time responding.
jesse & ginz thanks for sharing your knowledge, all i ask! still lil confused on ug vs mcg
and obvi still looking for basic dosing and prep info.
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a patch of 100ug/hour Fentanyl contains 23.12mg fentanyl. That's giving 100microgram per hour
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honestly man I would NOT risk IVing fent. Its dose is SO hard to 'measure' that you wouldn't know difference between an awesome nod, and an overdose.
You should just stick to oral fent use, or nasally if its in powder(obviously buffed up a bit to make for safer dosing)
on another note, and i hope it doesn't distract from my original question but i dont understand how some people (like this person who is aspiring to be (if not already) a heroin dealer who (in his own words) sells the most potent form of h available; have the gall to tell me im being unsafe. jesus christ. i am not recommending anyone else use this but ive weighed the risks (which i clearly said in my 1st post having read many threads with people warning against doing) am an adult and have decided what action to take. now people reading this have 3 options: ignore this, waste their time, mine, and everyone reading this by posting a futile warning, OR actually help me gain as much knowledge on topic as possible so i dont fuck up and overdose myself.
thanks for your concern opi, not trying to be a dick to you, your just the last straw in a long line of back breaking "concern" for me. i already have a disappointed mother..so if you are willing to help i am eternally grateful, i not plz just press back button...
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You need to dissolve the fentany in ethanol.
For example 25µg/h fentanyl patch dissolve in 42 ml ethanol (90%). You must wait about 24 hours. From time to time shake it. That means you have 100 µg fentanyl in 1 ml ethanol.
BUT THIS IS REALLY DANGEROUS!!!!! IT IS REALLY DANGEROUS TO IV FENTANYL!!!!
Regards B.
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honestly man I would NOT risk IVing fent. Its dose is SO hard to 'measure' that you wouldn't know difference between an awesome nod, and an overdose.
You should just stick to oral fent use, or nasally if its in powder(obviously buffed up a bit to make for safer dosing)
on another note, and i hope it doesn't distract from my original question but i dont understand how some people (like this person who is aspiring to be (if not already) a heroin dealer who (in his own words) sells the most potent form of h available; have the gall to tell me im being unsafe. jesus christ. i am not recommending anyone else use this but ive weighed the risks (which i clearly said in my 1st post having read many threads with people warning against doing) am an adult and have decided what action to take. now people reading this have 3 options: ignore this, waste their time, mine, and everyone reading this by posting a futile warning, OR actually help me gain as much knowledge on topic as possible so i dont fuck up and overdose myself.
thanks for your concern opi, not trying to be a dick to you, your just the last straw in a long line of back breaking "concern" for me. i already have a disappointed mother..so if you are willing to help i am eternally grateful, i not plz just press back button...
It doesn't matter who he is man, the point is without specialized scientific knowledge and equipment you'd be gambling with your existence
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exactly, you fuck up and you will overdose and potentially die.
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if you want to do this, i would recommend buy the powder fent from gotmilk on SR. This will be exactly 10 mg so you will be able to accurately dose, but you MUST buy a milligram scale to accurately measure the single digit mg doses for IV (the powder has been cut so 1 mg equals 10 mcg, so per 10 mg is 100 mcg fent)
Microgram is equivalent to .000001 gram. both abbreviations mcg and ug mean microgram. u is actually "mu" so sometimes mcg is used instead
milligram is .001 gram which is the scale you need. a .01 g scale has too much variation to reliably measure something so dangerous.
i would not recommend using a patch because I believe that 100 mcg/hr is the absorption rate, which is the amount of drug one will receive over that amount of time. However, I am not sure that the patch releases 100 percent of the medication by the conventional topical application. But when you IV it will all be ingested, which could be very dangerous... say if the patch will give you 7.2 mg topical, yet the entire patch actually contains something like 14 mg. I am not sure this is how it works, just a potential danger so youd need to research and determine the total concentration of fent, not the rate.
Also, I am not sure if the alcohol will extract any of the other matrix components which could be potentially harmful to ingest?
Please be safe, i love you :)
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plus opi if your pebbles really are that pure, they certainly also fit into the category of if you fuck up you die... not discounting the danger of fent, just sayin. i know you were just trying to recommend for safety in your post, no harm in that
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It doesn't matter who he is man, the point is without specialized scientific knowledge and equipment you'd be gambling with your existence
haha i can't agree more...hence me trying to gain specialized knowledge... you telling me that though certainly doesn't help anyone..
bubble & micro - thank you!
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this is posted in the wrong section of the forum as you know, it should be in the harm reduction section although clearly you dont give a fuck about harm reduction. If you are so sure it can be iv;d then you should be able to find out this info yourself. I've never seen anyone talk about iv'ing fent and give such little a shit about harm reduction. if you have a deathwish and care so little about yourself you will treat people like shit who try to help then just shoot some drain cleaner and be done with it.
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ok, i'm clueless about iv'ing fentanyl other than it sounds really really reallllly fucking dumb especially if you have to ask (not insulting you, i'd be terrified of a dr coming near me with an iv of it).
i have 2 100 patches btw.. trying to decide if i should sell cheapnfast as i need the cash or stash it as an emergency bye cruel world kit (no, i'm not punching out.. )
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wow where to begin..
I've never seen anyone talk about iv'ing fent and give such little a shit about harm reduction.
that is simply not the case..at all. i was not at all trying to say i just dont give a shit about the consequences of iv fent, what i was trying to say is that I know I am a responsible opiate user, one who (like ive said and demonstrated) always does heavy research before using new substances, one who always starts extremely small when in doubt, someone who doesn't need to be lectured about the threats of overdose b/c i have witnessed 1st hand people i love go out that way. the only way that i will be able to do this is if i acquire the information to do it as safely as possible (can you eliminate all the risks? no i understand that and am willing to take that risk, just b/c you wouldn't doesn't mean anything..)
id also like to point out this is coming from someone (ivlebrained) who advocates smoking heroin..def slightly less so but you are still risking your existence as someone put it, tho im sure you don't appreciate ppl judging your decision to do so..
If you are so sure it can be iv;d then you should be able to find out this info yourself.
hows that now?? Just b/c i am aware people ride horses doesn't mean i should just be able to figure it out for myself..and doesn't mean if i asked someone to teach me to ride it would make sense for that person to say no im not going to tell you 1 constructive thing about equestrianism but i will tell you all about how i would never get on a horse b/c i might fall off.. (this is a metaphor to show logical fallacy in saying if your sure it can be ived you can figure it out lol, i am in no way actually comparing risks of two things)
the fact is ive had many people tell me they have iv'd fent (unfort most were past dealers, fellow rehabees, and other ppl i clearly can't just ask right now) and loved it. so clearly if i am planning on trying it the only logical thing for me to do is ask how..(directed @ you heisenberg) particularly after having done independent research and not gotten enough info where i feel i know how to safely use.
if you have a deathwish and care so little about yourself you will treat people like shit who try to help then just shoot some drain cleaner and be done with it
yes i clearly have a suicide wish, thats why i would take the time to do research and ask for safe dosing and prep instructions...b/c i want to die..
this is posted in the wrong section of the forum as you know, it should be in the harm reduction section
sorry? lol ill try to be better organized in future i guess. if theres a way to move this thread in meantime let me know.
AGAIN i want to apologize to the people who were ultimately wellmeaning and i snapped at (before), nothing personal, i just felt fyour answers weren't relevant to my specific question which was frustrating (HOWEVEr the people who actually provided me w/ useful info AND warned me of danger - those people did relevantly address my question, and answered in a responsible manner - in that they helped me gain info (all info not just futile warning) which is really the only way harm reduction will ever truly happen no?
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anyway so far micros advice about going with powder form seems safest since its so difficult to regulate dosage from patches..i had been skeptical just b/c i dont have a lab lol so theres a certain comfort in a pharmaceutical label. but if people have had good experiences w vendor it makes sense.
so im still interested in actual dosage (did see some info on gotmilks page which is nice) and prep methodology..bubbles is your ethanol solution just ready to go then or??
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MicroRNA's advice is damn near perfect.
Though there is a risk with powdered fent isn't 100% homogenous. It's usually mixed with sugar as a filler. And you stand the risk that there might a little more or little less of fentanyl than you are measuring out. So best bet before IV'ing it is to test your tolerance to it bu insufflating (snorting) it. See how you do and how you handle it. Then try IV'ing a max of 2/3rds (x.66667) of the amount you snorted on your next session. See how you do. You may find that that is more than good enough.
Have someone around just in case, bro. That nod can come on quick and take you by surprise. I would recommend remain seated the whole time.
Good luck. And don't go to heaven by yourself.
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yes i clearly have a suicide wish, thats why i would take the time to do research and ask for safe dosing and prep instructions...b/c i want to die..
Seriously this says it. Go see a counsellor first, not a drug dealer. I ain't sure if SR condone suicide.
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It doesn't but this community is more about preserving ones right to ingest whatever one might want to ingest and providing a save environment with no judgement but obviously like any group of people with good morals we wouldn't want to have someones blood on our hands... that being said I believe most if not all users agree that in the end it is your choice on how you want to live or not.
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http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=15451.0
this is the actual thread for the powdered fent and there may be some information on dosages, but i would start with ridiculously tiny amounts, in the single mg digits of the powder I was saying
i would be worried about hot spots too which is discussed in the thread, but evidently a chemist is doing it and people have received the product with reports, so its not killing everyone at least :P actually said if IVing you can just dissolve all the powder you get then measure with a volumetric calculation which avoids the hot spots in your sample too
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yes i clearly have a suicide wish, thats why i would take the time to do research and ask for safe dosing and prep instructions...b/c i want to die..
Seriously this says it. Go see a counsellor first, not a drug dealer. I ain't sure if SR condone suicide.
do you not understand sarcasm??
anyway thanks ben very good advice. and again thanks micro, you'll def be the 1st person i give karma to: you've answered my questions about like 3 topics now..
im going to do some research on volumetric calculation next..
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thanks for the appreciation! no problem bro, i just get bored and if people have questions or anything I am glad to offer my experience and assistance.
volumetric measurement involves dissolving a known quantity of drug in a known amount of solvent, which then allows you to accurately dose the drug by using the proper amount of easier to measure accurately solvent. it is very important to 100 percent know the precise starting quantities, as well as triple checking the math, esp with fent
basically, if you get 1 gram of the lactose-fent mix and completely dissolve (mix extremely thoroughly and shake every time) that in 100 ml of sterile water, then each ml of the solution will contain 10 mg of the powder, which will be 100 mcg fent
10,000 mcg/100 ml = 100 mcg fent per ml water
double check my math just to be certain. hope that helps, be safe PLEASE
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anyway so far micros advice about going with powder form seems safest since its so difficult to regulate dosage from patches..i had been skeptical just b/c i dont have a lab lol so theres a certain comfort in a pharmaceutical label. but if people have had good experiences w vendor it makes sense.
so im still interested in actual dosage (did see some info on gotmilks page which is nice) and prep methodology..bubbles is your ethanol solution just ready to go then or??
.....yes, ready to go! :)
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ok, i'm clueless about iv'ing fentanyl other than it sounds really really reallllly fucking dumb especially if you have to ask (not insulting you, i'd be terrified of a dr coming near me with an iv of it).
i have 2 100 patches btw.. trying to decide if i should sell cheapnfast as i need the cash or stash it as an emergency bye cruel world kit (no, i'm not punching out.. )
wow i wish i could punch myself through the internet.. i apologize for muddying up your inquiry into safe usage and harm reduction.
edit: just saw your directed @ you heisenberg (burg) comment too.. i was out of line pooping on your thread and then even offering up some patches for sale. the person i acquired them from was as hardcore as they get and even they were a little scared of the patches but didn't want them anymore. and in my brief research i saw that mostly you were either dying and needed the fentanyl because it was the end all of be all pain and needed something that was for end of life pain management, or it was just about lawsuits and death or variations thereof. and i myself could only think of either selling them and being terrified i'd kill whoever i sent them to or keep them to kill myself with if the need arose.. so it just carried the specter of death to me. and when people are scared or nervous and don't want someone doing something sometimes they resort to denigrating an activity as dumb or stupid in an attempt to veer someone away from that chosen activity.
but i hope you are safe, sincerely. and the advice on dosage at a glance looks correct. i almost crapped myself when i saw mg instead of mcg being floated somewhere. that's an order of magnitude dose difference, and surely would be the end of someone who got that detail wrong.
if you're alive i hope you ping back.