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Title: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: red23 on February 12, 2013, 03:05 am
In a few sentences, post why you feel like drugs are illegal.

1) Money (Alcohol, Cigarettes benefit from being legal highs and lobby to keep it that way)
2) Ignorance
3) To keep private jails full?
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: rocketgauze on February 12, 2013, 03:43 am
In a few sentences, post why you feel like drugs are illegal.

1) Money (Alcohol, Cigarettes benefit from being legal highs and lobby to keep it that way)
2) Ignorance
3) To keep private jails full?

It's none of those reasons.

It's mostly about:
1. Public health
2. Public safety
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on February 12, 2013, 03:48 am
FAIL and FAIL, its the governments ploy to control the masses, and have a continues way to constantly generate revenue for the citys and states. IMO
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: Baconmmm on February 12, 2013, 03:52 am
In a few sentences, post why you feel like drugs are illegal.

1) Money (Alcohol, Cigarettes benefit from being legal highs and lobby to keep it that way)
2) Ignorance
3) To keep private jails full?

It's none of those reasons.

It's mostly about:
1. Public health
2. Public safety

This.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: rocketgauze on February 12, 2013, 05:25 am
FAIL and FAIL, its the governments ploy to control the masses, and have a continues way to constantly generate revenue for the citys and states. IMO

hahaha, are you on drugs?
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on February 12, 2013, 05:42 am
Yes, I am, and it has entirely nothing to do with my statement.

 Case and point, the Netherlands.. a crack head, or heroin addict, or meth or any of the hard drugs that destroy lives, familys, and communitys, are practically non existent. This is because they have hardly any laws against drugs, and what laws there are, are not a fraction as harsh and un just as the US's.

 Guess what, the Netherlands lives happily ever after. and America is populated with prisons and convicts, more than half of which are in no way violent or a threat to society (that majority being drug dealers, and users alike).

 So, my question to you, is do you actually comprehend the OP?

 
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: midlandsmafia on February 12, 2013, 05:54 am
To the guy who said its about safety and health.
These mass murderers in USA were all on legal prescription drugs.
And I don't have the figures in front of me but I'm pretty sure alcohol has fuelled more crime than all other drugs put together.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: rocketgauze on February 12, 2013, 06:11 am
Yes, I am, and it has entirely nothing to do with my statement.

 Case and point, the Netherlands.. a crack head, or heroin addict, or meth or any of the hard drugs that destroy lives, familys, and communitys, are practically non existent. This is because they have hardly any laws against drugs, and what laws there are, are not a fraction as harsh and un just as the US's.

 Guess what, the Netherlands lives happily ever after. and America is populated with prisons and convicts, more than half of which are in no way violent or a threat to society (that majority being drug dealers, and users alike).

 So, my question to you, is do you actually comprehend the OP?

The Netherlands is not the US though. Completely different social mindset and structure. There are also plenty of addicts in the Netherlands and they have very strict laws against drugs except in personal use situations. The belief that they are lenient on drugs because they have hash bars is not a true reflection on the society.

Drugs, whether it is alcohol, pain medication, or stimulants has consistently been an issue in America on a much larger scale than compared to other countries (probably with the exception of opium in china). While some drugs may have been made illegal due to overreactions by the government I don't think they are illegal because the government wants to control the alcohol supply or keep more people in prison. It's the general concern about public health and safety that keep them all illegal however hypocritical that may be in some cases.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on February 12, 2013, 06:15 am
Dude, i didnt make that reference based on their hash bars LOL. Im not going to go back and forth here. You right, its for public safety and health issue. Goodnight friend 8)
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: rocketgauze on February 12, 2013, 06:36 am
To the guy who said its about safety and health.
These mass murderers in USA were all on legal prescription drugs.
And I don't have the figures in front of me but I'm pretty sure alcohol has fuelled more crime than all other drugs put together.

The question was why are some drugs currently illegal and I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here, should alcohol and anti-depressants also be criminalized or the opposite? I don't think it's a strong argument that because alcohol and some prescription drugs are legal/controlled and have public health and safety consequences that other drugs should be decriminalized. The people you mention in the crimes above, would you prefer that they were on meth, crack, or heroin?

The reason alcohol is legal is not because it is not a public health and safety risk, it's because the government would have no chance of banning alcohol so it accepts the risks that come along with allowing it.

To understand the reason different drugs are illegal, you need to study each drug individually as they have different effects and different risk profiles.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: rocketgauze on February 12, 2013, 06:44 am
Dude, i didnt make that reference based on their hash bars LOL. Im not going to go back and forth here. You right, its for public safety and health issue. Goodnight friend 8)

I didn't think you were making that reference either because of the hash bars. I made it as a reference to a general belief that people have. I'm glad I could convince you it was for public health and safety :). Much more fun than spamming a thread 50 times to reach 50 posts.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: hopskiptrip on February 12, 2013, 07:18 am
They are Illegal to control the masses
1 Pot made illegal because the mexicans used it back in the day working in the fields and whites in power needed to have reasons for arresting and even sometimes killing those crazy mexicans.
2 Coke was made illegal because back in the day it caused black men to have super strength and lust over white women and you know whitey cant be haven no untamed negro
3 LSD and most other drugs was because of the hippies in the 60s and 70s the government cant have the draft dodging  dirty bums making a seen and fucking in public
I know this sounds crazy and made up but it is very much true those are the reasons. I wish I could remember documentary's that have the history they are a good lesson into the thinking of our great and all powerful over lord government. The sad part is the sheeple are just handing over the rights that our forefathers had set in writing for us. Slowly but surly we are losing are way of life. You know it is not new first the moonshine then the drugs now its the food guns privacy you name it we are losing it.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: Funderfull on February 12, 2013, 07:21 am
In a few sentences, post why you feel like drugs are illegal.

1) Money (Alcohol, Cigarettes benefit from being legal highs and lobby to keep it that way)
2) Ignorance
3) To keep private jails full?

Drugs are bad m'kay
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on February 12, 2013, 06:49 pm
Dude, i didnt make that reference based on their hash bars LOL. Im not going to go back and forth here. You right, its for public safety and health issue. Goodnight friend 8)

I didn't think you were making that reference either because of the hash bars. I made it as a reference to a general belief that people have. I'm glad I could convince you it was for public health and safety :). Much more fun than spamming a thread 50 times to reach 50 posts.
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Friend, you've convinced me of nothing. Go to the Dam, and ill send you 10btc if you can show me a picture with a heroin addict, or crack head. I let you believe your theory is any where near plausible, simply for the sake of not arguing with a newb, about a meaningless topic. 
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: pcguy1 on February 12, 2013, 07:43 pm
Because most people are too stupid to use them safely
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: Ron Swanson on February 12, 2013, 07:47 pm
In a few sentences, post why you feel like drugs are illegal.

1) Money (Alcohol, Cigarettes benefit from being legal highs and lobby to keep it that way)
2) Ignorance
3) To keep private jails full?

Drugs are bad m'kay

i was wondering how long it'd take someone to say that!!

i think it started out because of ignorance and still to this day it's the same when they ban RC's without having a clue about them.
the reason drugs are kept illegal, even though experts mostly agree that prohibition has been a massive failure, is because pretty much no govt is willing to face the public and right wing media backlash when they change laws.
that and all the other stuff about the profitability of criminalising drug production and users. and obviously opposition from big pharma and the alcohol industry who see is as a major threat. it's a mighty complex issue. it will gradually change as attitudes change as we've seen in the netherlands, portugal, colorado and washington.
if it's weed you're primarily thinking about i'd suggest having a read of 'the emperor wears no clothes' by jack herer
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: aredhel on February 12, 2013, 11:20 pm
* "Because most people are too stupid to use them safely"
I say. SOME people are too stupid to use them safely, not MOST... but they will use any incidents as a justification for their laws

* "It's mostly about: 1. Public health 2. Public safety"
that's what they tell us, but in fact, what they want is : they want us to FUNCTION in a "productive" environment. What's "productive" ? .. Only GS and JPM will know ;)

* "To keep private jails full?"
Perhaps in the US a system running crazy on auto pilot, when i hear it's 900k people in jail i just beat my own head, it's insane!! And the thought enters, are they perhaps political prisoners in some way? But isn't there free speech in the US, too?

When it comes to psychedelics there's also an important point: They just don't  fit into our educational system. They have the potential to make us believe we are not just our body, and all it's implications!... Would be a grave danger for a system that relies on a mostly materialistic belief system of it's "cattle"


Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: sardinesinacan on February 12, 2013, 11:29 pm
Very surprised to see people saying things like "Public Health/Safety" on this thread.  If that were true, alcohol/tobacco/addictive Rx drugs wouldn't be legal.

The only answer that ever made sense to me was that it was because, generally speaking, the "right" people aren't banking on the drug trade.  Big business missed the boat on cannabis/cocaine/etc. back in the day, which is why unbelievably rich and powerful people like William Randolph Hearst fought so hard to demonize "marihuana" and other drugs.

Wanna know what the number one lobby is in DC that fights to keep cannabis illegal?  The alcohol industry.  They don't want the competition.

That's why I believe it's illegal in the US anyways.  I can't really answer for the rest of the world, but I would imagine similar explanations would suffice (unless we're talking about countries run by a theocracy, in which case religion is the obvious culprit).
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: Ron Swanson on February 13, 2013, 12:08 am
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Wanna know what the number one lobby is in DC that fights to keep cannabis illegal?  The alcohol industry.
That is interesting, if true. It also makes perfect sense. Commercial concerns are the most powerful ones...

yep it's pretty similar to how general motors bought public transport systems and then destroyed them so people had no choice but to buy cars. that's pretty much why american public transport is so shit compared to european systems. it's all about the money.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: BlazedForDays on February 13, 2013, 12:39 am
Drugs are illegal in the US because of the timber industry in the 1900s. They're still illegal today because of lobbyist groups ::)
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: HassleHoff on February 13, 2013, 01:00 am
I just don't believe most of the conspiracy theories about drug prohibition. I think the subject is pretty simple really. Drugs were made illegal because it was believed (rightly or wrongly) that they decrease peoples productivity. Clearly the primary purpose of drug laws is not to protect health since as others have pointed out many prescription drugs cause more harm than the illegal ones. Tobacco remained legal because it does not cause any noticeable short term intoxication and therefore does not effect ones usefulness as a worker. The drug warriors see illegal drugs as a kind of pollution that decreases the productivity of the working class and damages the economy. Today in the US many jobs drug test employees for reasons having nothing to do with safety , but rather because it is believed that a person who uses drugs (even on their own time) is less useful as a worker.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: Ron Swanson on February 13, 2013, 01:38 am
drug prohibition is anything but simple.
and bollocks does smoking tobacco not reduce productivity. i've worked in a place being one of the only non smokers and they get all aggressive and shit when they can't smoke and don't concentrate as well but it's the attitude which harms morale and when they take copious smoke breaks and the non smokers have to pick up their slack when they're not around.
that's not an attack on smokers, i used to be one, more my old boss who wouldn't allow me a 5 min breather when shit got tough and made me work 14 hour shifts with no breaks whatsoever, not even to eat but the smokers just wandered out whenever they felt like it. he was a right fucking wanker. and a smoker.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: rocketgauze on February 15, 2013, 02:53 am
Dude, i didnt make that reference based on their hash bars LOL. Im not going to go back and forth here. You right, its for public safety and health issue. Goodnight friend 8)

I didn't think you were making that reference either because of the hash bars. I made it as a reference to a general belief that people have. I'm glad I could convince you it was for public health and safety :). Much more fun than spamming a thread 50 times to reach 50 posts.
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Friend, you've convinced me of nothing. Go to the Dam, and ill send you 10btc if you can show me a picture with a heroin addict, or crack head. I let you believe your theory is any where near plausible, simply for the sake of not arguing with a newb, about a meaningless topic.

How about you show me official statistics that there are on longer heroin addicts in Amsterdam?

good luck.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: HalideCurve on February 15, 2013, 03:59 am
I think that a majority of drugs were made illegal for various reasons all over the world at different times . Often times it was linked to some social movement, etc and their reasoning at the time was horrid. I'm wondering if a more productive reason would be, "Why are they still illegal?"

There will be many answers based on the substance and with very many justifications. Once we know what they are it's easier to kick the supports out from under them. Of course, the easiest way to go about this would be to have a vast amount of money and political clout and campaign for decriminalization, but I'm going to assume that at least I will not have that kind of power.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: bluedevil777 on February 15, 2013, 04:04 am
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Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: xloveralot on February 15, 2013, 09:25 pm
In a few sentences, post why you feel like drugs are illegal.

1) Money (Alcohol, Cigarettes benefit from being legal highs and lobby to keep it that way)
2) Ignorance
3) To keep private jails full?

It's called governments having complete control. Anything that makes us feel good,we are not supposed to have.
Just work,pay ur bills & taxes & oh yeah die. That's the way they see it.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: StraightThuggin on February 16, 2013, 12:54 am
Yes, I am, and it has entirely nothing to do with my statement.

 Case and point, the Netherlands.. a crack head, or heroin addict, or meth or any of the hard drugs that destroy lives, familys, and communitys, are practically non existent. This is because they have hardly any laws against drugs, and what laws there are, are not a fraction as harsh and un just as the US's.

 Guess what, the Netherlands lives happily ever after. and America is populated with prisons and convicts, more than half of which are in no way violent or a threat to society (that majority being drug dealers, and users alike).

 So, my question to you, is do you actually comprehend the OP?

The Netherlands is not the US though. Completely different social mindset and structure. There are also plenty of addicts in the Netherlands and they have very strict laws against drugs except in personal use situations. The belief that they are lenient on drugs because they have hash bars is not a true reflection on the society.

Drugs, whether it is alcohol, pain medication, or stimulants has consistently been an issue in America on a much larger scale than compared to other countries (probably with the exception of opium in china). While some drugs may have been made illegal due to overreactions by the government I don't think they are illegal because the government wants to control the alcohol supply or keep more people in prison. It's the general concern about public health and safety that keep them all illegal however hypocritical that may be in some cases.

Dude are you kidding me? US has one of the highest gun crime rates in the world, instead of focusing on drugs focus on putting stricter gun laws and maby there wouldn't be massacres at schools and movie theaters like for fucks sake your government is so retarded, they wouldn't have to spend all there citizens on money fighting drugs and if they regulated drugs, made them in a clean and sterile environment it would be a ton more safer then buying off some shifty dude in a dark alley with a 70% cut product. Were just lucky that we have found the Silk Road.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: Ron Swanson on February 16, 2013, 06:09 am
there definitely are addicts in the netherlands, the junkies tend to hang around the red light district in dam stealing and selling bikes and fake coke but the police give them 24hr bans from the city centre and such. the laws over there have a huge distinction between hard and soft drugs. the number of cannabis users over there is one of the lowest in europe i think. they have quite effective harm reduction policies for the hard drug addicts afaik.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: jaftfqs on February 16, 2013, 07:33 am
Because most people are too stupid to use them safely

I agree with this.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: undergroundhustler on February 16, 2013, 09:01 am
anything that makes a human fell better is illegal, except pussy but it can bring trouble too lol
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: rocketgauze on February 16, 2013, 09:26 am
Yes, I am, and it has entirely nothing to do with my statement.

 Case and point, the Netherlands.. a crack head, or heroin addict, or meth or any of the hard drugs that destroy lives, familys, and communitys, are practically non existent. This is because they have hardly any laws against drugs, and what laws there are, are not a fraction as harsh and un just as the US's.

 Guess what, the Netherlands lives happily ever after. and America is populated with prisons and convicts, more than half of which are in no way violent or a threat to society (that majority being drug dealers, and users alike).

 So, my question to you, is do you actually comprehend the OP?

The Netherlands is not the US though. Completely different social mindset and structure. There are also plenty of addicts in the Netherlands and they have very strict laws against drugs except in personal use situations. The belief that they are lenient on drugs because they have hash bars is not a true reflection on the society.

Drugs, whether it is alcohol, pain medication, or stimulants has consistently been an issue in America on a much larger scale than compared to other countries (probably with the exception of opium in china). While some drugs may have been made illegal due to overreactions by the government I don't think they are illegal because the government wants to control the alcohol supply or keep more people in prison. It's the general concern about public health and safety that keep them all illegal however hypocritical that may be in some cases.

Dude are you kidding me? US has one of the highest gun crime rates in the world, instead of focusing on drugs focus on putting stricter gun laws and maby there wouldn't be massacres at schools and movie theaters like for fucks sake your government is so retarded, they wouldn't have to spend all there citizens on money fighting drugs and if they regulated drugs, made them in a clean and sterile environment it would be a ton more safer then buying off some shifty dude in a dark alley with a 70% cut product. Were just lucky that we have found the Silk Road.

This is completely off topic and has nothing to do with this thread. The questions was why are drugs illegal. Drugs aren't illegal because of America's gun rules.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: redtail on February 16, 2013, 09:38 am
Because governments need a recognizable enemy.

It distracts attention from bad policy, bad decisions, corruption etc.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: Galtourpa on February 19, 2013, 10:55 am
Because governments like to think they know best for us all and the Mr and Mrs Average believes all the media bullshit and needs something to feel outraged about.
Prohibition does not work and never will.   
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: Galtourpa on February 19, 2013, 10:59 am
 Well thats my two bits worth anyway.
Title: Re: Why are the majority of drugs illegal?
Post by: tintolove on February 19, 2013, 12:32 pm
Public health issue
The impact drugs have on people is an unstable factor most people are afraid of, also other drug users
This thought is held strong in the modernized countries, where we have an issue about accepting pleasure as a good thing.