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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: dipset on April 04, 2013, 07:27 pm
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So I placed an order from a new cannabis vendor named pinnaclegreen. His communication was great and prompt, as was his urging that I put an order in as soon as possible, which seemed a little suspicious to me. So I foolishly placed a large order with this new vendor thinking that any idiot can figure out that attempting scamming from the get-go is not the way to be successful on here in that manner. However, the vendor messaged me that he received a large influx of orders over night that cleaned him out of product yet he only had three transactions and has been on SR for just over a week. He also still has his listings up for product he just told me he does not have on hand, yet he has about ten pounds listed at the moment. I had to message him about canceling my order after he informed me he was listing product he does not have and didnt cancel it right away himself as any other vendor would do, then maybe offer an explanation. This vendor has scammer written all over him. DO NOT ORDER FROM THE VENDOR PINNACLEGREEN. I lost about two hundred bucks due to this dipshit, do not make the same mistake I did, and let this guy go by the wayside without making any ground here on SR. Let him forfeit his vendor bond as the guy cant even get his first few transactions right. I also seriously suspect him of fluffing with initial fake feedback as the two posts are written in the same style as his vendor profile and listing descriptions, I now realize. End rant.
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So I placed an order from a new cannabis vendor named pinnaclegreen.
His communication was great and prompt, as was his urging that I put an order in as soon as possible, which seemed a little suspicious to me. So I foolishly placed a large order with this new vendor thinking that any idiot can figure out that attempting scamming from the get-go is not the way to be successful on here in that manner.
However, the vendor messaged me that he received a large influx of orders over night that cleaned him out of product yet he only had three transactions and has been on SR for just over a week. He also still has his listings up for product he just told me he does not have on hand, yet he has about ten pounds listed at the moment.
I had to message him about canceling my order after he informed me he was listing product he does not have and didnt cancel it right away himself as any other vendor would do, then maybe offer an explanation. This vendor has scammer written all over him. DO NOT ORDER FROM THE VENDOR PINNACLEGREEN.
I lost about two hundred bucks due to this dipshit, do not make the same mistake I did, and let this guy go by the wayside without making any ground here on SR. Let him forfeit his vendor bond as the guy cant even get his first few transactions right. I also seriously suspect him of fluffing with initial fake feedback as the two posts are written in the same style as his vendor profile and listing descriptions, I now realize. End rant.
Thanks for conveying to us your findings. However, the wall of text is hard to read. I have spaced it out in my quote of your post for easier reading.
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I took a look at the vendor you were referring to: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/9c8c9d7d6a
I see what you mean. It's very sketchy, I don't feel comfortable dealing with someone that sloppy. If he sends an empty package, or sends something off to have a DCN proving that he sent "something", a 50 percent refund is still in his favor.
This guy is about as kosher as ass meat as far as I am concerned. I don't like the looks of it, you should report him if you haven't already.
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I have not ordered from him but i have been talking to him for a bit.
He seems like a good guy, just a bit clueless and overwhelmed starting off. like most new vendors.
In my opinion it seems silly to fluff your stats with such big orders, he's losing tons doing that.
And in this community its hard enough to get order when you are new, and we are quick to label real scammers when there is proof.
So its kinda a losing proposition like someone said.
I can't say from experience, but i am keeping an eye on him for an order soon.
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SAC,
A part of me agrees with you, but this is a rough place. Basically you are saying give him a chance to scam before you accuse him, and I agree.
However why on earth would you list product you don't have? And keep it listed after cancelling an order. Sounds sketchy to me.
At best he is a poor businessman. I would stay away until he can figure shit out.
Another vendor pulling bullshit. +1 dipset
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Dipset,
As a new vendor, every one of these threads I see pisses me off. Not only because ripping people off is bullshit, but it makes it that much harder for legit vendors to get going.
If you're still up for giving new vendors a go, I've got plenty of reasonably-priced listings and am trying to get my product out there (only domestic US currently, sorry if you're international) as much as possible.
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Yeah Uni, I just mean to give him a chance before calling wolf.
He might have listed more than he had expected to sell so quick. Or it could have been an SR glitch, which has happend to me before.
I am just saying that because i had some of his stuff in my cart there were 3HP's left, next thing i know they were gone.
At those prices and the low bulk offerings i would not be surprised if people jumped on it after seeing the 4 new reviews today from the first wave of orders.
I just hate for people to be called scammers outright with no proof, except SR taking money from a hedged order.
I just had that happen to me yesterday and lost over $100, with a long time vendor. Shit happens, and it sucks.
But IMO your should not jump to conclude he is no good.
I am not saying he is for sure legit or anything, i am just keeping an open mind based on the really good reviews left just today.
But also thanks Dipset for keeping us updated and sharing your experience. it's always valuable when considering new vendor.
And blueskies, i will keep an eye out. it looking good. Good luck!
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Yeah Uni, I just mean to give him a chance before calling wolf.
He might have listed more than he had expected to sell so quick. Or it could have been an SR glitch, which has happend to me before.
I am just saying that because i had some of his stuff in my cart there were 3HP's left, next thing i know they were gone.
At those prices and the low bulk offerings i would not be surprised if people jumped on it after seeing the 4 new reviews today from the first wave of orders.
I just hate for people to be called scammers outright with no proof, except SR taking money from a hedged order.
I just had that happen to me yesterday and lost over $100, with a long time vendor. Shit happens, and it sucks.
But IMO your should not jump to conclude he is no good.
I am not saying he is for sure legit or anything, i am just keeping an open mind based on the really good reviews left just today.
But also thanks Dipset for keeping us updated and sharing your experience. it's always valuable when considering new vendor.
And blueskies, i will keep an eye out. it looking good. Good luck!
+1 Very well put, I couldn't have stated it better, or agree more.
Here is my problem;
We are getting way to many new vendors. Some are sloppy as hell or make bone head mistakes putting me at risk.
I've had packages break open. Luckily a buyers complained about no color barrier, it was a simple solution. I kept complaining the packages were breaking open.
Things sent with no seals at all.
I've had to sign for packages.
I've had the cancel order thing to FE, refused, it was a scam.
Vendors get busted and blow your drop.
Shit just disappearing in the mail. Who knows why, tracked back to distribution center.
That's not to say there aren't great vendors, but we are the ones who take a risk on a new (< 1 year) vendors, but they start asking for Fe as soon as they can.
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My advice is to stay, away until the situation improves. Somebody that admits to had money problems is a risk, anyhow, The noob buyers will test it for us;) Not that I want that, it just the way that it is. If you need an extra 2 grams that bad, be my guest, but to be honest, the good vendors just give me the extra 2 grams so I come back :-X
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Back to your point SAC, supercanna is a good example of give a guy a chance. He did well after a rocky start. We don't need to throw the baby out yet. Now that we know, why risk your money? The noobs will either read this after they get ripped, or come tell us how great TTS is. I hope for the latter. In supercanna case, it worked out well. Once in a while there's a problem, but they seem to go away;)
BTW is it just me, or is there at lot of vendors hyping indoor, that really is greenhouse? Should indoor smell like hay? I've received lots of outdoor, most smells of green grass, or hay. With the influx of all these new vendors come some challenges.
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There was another post on here where someone was saying he cancelled an order because he didn't have enough money to ship it. So yeah, sitting on pounds of weed but doesn't have $15 or whatever to ship it. Take that for what it's worth.
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BTW is it just me, or is there at lot of vendors hyping indoor, that really is greenhouse? Should indoor smell like hay? I've received lots of outdoor, most smells of green grass, or hay. With the influx of all these new vendors come some challenges.
That grass/hay smell is from a shitty cure. Indoor can smell like that as well but you generally get it on outdoor, greenhouse and commercial indoor because the quantities don't allow for a good slow cure. Green grass smell seems like there's still too much chlorophyll in it.
Since I'm apparently part of this new wave, any suggestions on differentiating myself?
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BTW is it just me, or is there at lot of vendors hyping indoor, that really is greenhouse? Should indoor smell like hay? I've received lots of outdoor, most smells of green grass, or hay. With the influx of all these new vendors come some challenges.
That grass/hay smell is from a shitty cure. Indoor can smell like that as well but you generally get it on outdoor, greenhouse and commercial indoor because the quantities don't allow for a good slow cure. Green grass smell seems like there's still too much chlorophyll in it.
Since I'm apparently part of this new wave, any suggestions on differentiating myself?
Mr red eyes,
Welcome. I meant no disrespect. To pull out of the pack you need to earned a following. I have a few examples in mind;) but anybody who reads my dribble will go "there he goes again". Never hurts to brag about the good ones ;)
Ok I feel much better. Explains it, the vendor is telling me it's the strain. It's been happening a lot. Even CN's friends weed always smells different but nice, while most outdoor smells green.
Another thing, I use to get red eyes, but since SR the quality improved, the lungs improved, the health improved, and no red eyes, unless I smoke oil off a nail :-[
Whats that? My friends noticed they same thing because their friends noticed the same thing ;)
On Op's subject, I feel bad for TTS, but he put himself in a bad position. We are looking for patterns, and the poster a few post up is correct, "The Farmacy" almost to a tee.
Except TF had a really good start, and lowered his prices, not raise them, before doing the FE scam. I still say 2 grams for risking my money isn't worth it until I see the noobs get through the gauntlet. If he is honest, that really sucks, but he did it to himself. Somebody will take a chance.
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Ok... So I may have been preemptive in crying scammer on this vendor. With that said, my experience here thus far has led me to be very cautious, and alarmist. Corresponding with pg further has led me to believe he may just have a steep learning curve here on SR. He canceled my order quickly after a pm, and tried to respond to my dismay about the situation. Again, it may just be some cunning social engineering on this/her part, but I do now feel I maybe got a bit over zealous. At any rate, upfront, honest and good business will be rewarded time and time again. There is an endless customer base here, why squander that opportunity? A consistent product with a good businessman/woman behind it and real honest work that transcends the status quo. Well... you done changed the game. And is that not what this SR thing is all about?
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Ok... So I may have been preemptive in crying scammer on this vendor. With that said, my experience here thus far has led me to be very cautious, and alarmist. Corresponding with pg further has led me to believe he may just have a steep learning curve here on SR. He canceled my order quickly after a pm, and tried to respond to my dismay about the situation. Again, it may just be some cunning social engineering on this/her part, but I do now feel I maybe got a bit over zealous. At any rate, upfront, honest and good business will be rewarded time and time again. There is an endless customer base here, why squander that opportunity? A consistent product with a good businessman/woman behind it and real honest work that transcends the status quo. Well... you done changed the game. And is that not what this SR thing is all about?
Well put. I feel the same way. Total newb with a ton to learn and optimize.
same as most when they fist come to the road. but most don't come as vendors without this basic know how.
The one thing he did do right was the price. And it seems from the recent reviews that his stealth and quality are reasonable at the least.
I honestly might give him a chance on that last Q. He has been very responsive and changed a lot of stuff like shipping to priority and a adding refund policy based on my advice.
I totally feel for new vendors because most all become overwhelmed at first. There is such a huge demand, and some people just don't realize what to expect.
Good luck to all, and if i do order from PG, i will absolutely update.
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Ok... So I may have been preemptive in crying scammer on this vendor. With that said, my experience here thus far has led me to be very cautious, and alarmist. Corresponding with pg further has led me to believe he may just have a steep learning curve here on SR. He canceled my order quickly after a pm, and tried to respond to my dismay about the situation. Again, it may just be some cunning social engineering on this/her part, but I do now feel I maybe got a bit over zealous. At any rate, upfront, honest and good business will be rewarded time and time again. There is an endless customer base here, why squander that opportunity? A consistent product with a good businessman/woman behind it and real honest work that transcends the status quo. Well... you done changed the game. And is that not what this SR thing is all about?
Don't let anybody convince you of less. Stand your ground if thats what happened. Be prepared. He was offering the correct opinion. The object is to keep the thread alive until somebody explains their self, or goes away.
That retort was very mild. You could get hit by the flying vulture shills. Thats always fun. Be prepared. ;)
The S-word has bad connotations. :o
SAC,
If it was you, you would be on the other side, maybe, foot in others shoes? Get my drift. I'm figuring I'd be pissed. I'm also figuring a good vendor would make good. No?
I guess I missed something :-[ Fucking stoner :-[
Best of luck on your venture, gonna be a while be for I recommend a buy.
Peace
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Uniwiz, lol.. you make me laugh man. I appreciate your contributions to the cannabis market here, and have been following your posts since I first started considering buying pot here. Never would have thunk it though tbh. I still would advise all others to proceed with caution. Probably best to npt take the plunge with new vendors that sell products that require more refined packaging methods. Overall, I agree with Uniwiz, and think that vendors should be held to the highest standard for the privilege in selling here.
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SAC,
If it was you, you would be on the other side, maybe, foot in others shoes? Get my drift. I'm figuring I'd be pissed. I'm also figuring a good vendor would make good. No?
I guess I missed something :-[ Fucking stoner :-[
Best of luck on your venture, gonna be a while be for I recommend a buy.
Uni,
I would be pissed too, just like i am for losing the money yesterday. And i guess in his case, dipset should request a refund for the amount lost since it was his fault. I have done that before and vendors were happy to make right most of the time. If it was his fault he should indeed refund your loss in BTC. that is the downside of being a hedged vendor.
I am just saying that it is no scam to lose money on a canceled order that is hedged. and this is the only thing against this vendor.
And obviously he has reached out to make this right with dipset, and been very communicative with everyone including me.
Keep us updated dipset, and also any one who did receive his first round. Would love to hear a little more.
Much Love,
S&C
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Mr red eyes,
Welcome. I meant no disrespect. To pull out of the pack you need to earned a following. I have a few examples in mind;) but anybody who reads my dribble will go "there he goes again". Never hurts to brag about the good ones ;)
Ok I feel much better. Explains it, the vendor is telling me it's the strain.
None taken, I've read enough here to know it's no picnic trying to get established and SR isn't my first rodeo, just the latest. Onward :)
That smell can be due to the strain too. Some just don't have a strong natural aroma, even when grown and cured properly. However, you should be able to smell *something* different when breaking it up. If you crush/break/grind the bud and it still smells like grass... well, that's just shabby all around.
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So I just noticed that one of pinnaclegreen`s photos of the Heavy Duty Fruity, when his listings were up, is the same timestamped photo that the vendor fixture has on his listing of Critical Jack. What gives? I mean it could be a coincidence that both vendors used the same photo from a Google image search or something. But this just adds to the intrigue for me...