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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: zvp1014 on May 03, 2013, 01:44 am

Title: LSD/MDMA and Trileptal/Oxcarbazepine Mood Stabilizers?
Post by: zvp1014 on May 03, 2013, 01:44 am
Hello all!

After multitudes of SSRI/SNRI antidepressants with little to no efficacy, my psychiatrist has decided to try a mood stabilizer with me- namely Trileptal/Oxcarbazepine.

Unfortunately, I know little about this substance or similar class drugs. I have, however, heard horror stories regarding Lithium and LSD (namely dissociative fugues where one wanders aimlessly and forgets who or what they are) so I thought I'd ask your advice regarding the subject.

Either in your experience or medical background, are Trileptal/Oxcarbazepine dangerous with LSD? Would the drug likely amplify, diminish or change the effects of acid?

Additionally, while I'm doubtful the two drugs are related, how might Trileptal affect MDMA usage (if at all?)

Thanks!

P.S– Please, no comments regarding 'I'd not recommend LSD at all if you're in such a mental state you need a mood stabilizer.' I've used acid aplenty in my current state of mind- and actually feel less prone to any anxiety or anger spikes during an acid trip than I do sober. Thanks!
Title: Re: LSD/MDMA and Trileptal/Oxcarbazepine Mood Stabilizers?
Post by: sirius on May 03, 2013, 07:20 pm
Ok, here is my 2 cents.
I am a sociopath who also sports bipolar type 1 disorder with psychotic features. I actually have fugues now and again.  I have spent years in treatment and forced hospitalization and years without. Currently I am off grid and non-compliant. The only psych meds I keep around these days are anti-psychotics for my emergencies and customers bad trips. My brother keeps tabs on me, and my friends know my situation. So that is my background on mental health.
I remember that lithium and depakote did seem to fuck with tripping and drug use all around, I imagine that any mood stabilizer would do the same.. If you have been on mood stabilizers you know what I mean. In my opinion mood stabilizers are the devil in a pill.
My advice is knock down the mood stabilizers, and ramp up the lsd  ;D
Honestly, psychedelics are incredibly therapeutic when came at with the appropriate mindset. Maybe the stupid fucking ssri/snri shit didn't work because your problems can't be solved with a pill from your doctor and his special interests. Maybe you just need to find peace or fulfillment or enlightenment or whatever it is that your psyche is missing. Sooo, yeah, more acid  ;)
Title: Re: LSD/MDMA and Trileptal/Oxcarbazepine Mood Stabilizers?
Post by: joywind on May 05, 2013, 11:36 am
Ok, here is my 2 cents.
I am a sociopath
If you were a true sociopath, you wouldn't be answering his/her question. You wouldn't be trying to help him. You don't have empathy. You don't give a shit about anyone but yourself. You could kill a child without feeling a thing.

More likely, you're a self-diagnosed internet sociopath -- but actually either (a) asperger's sufferer, (b) a schizoid personality disorder, or (c) a normal person who represses empathy to conform to a made-up self-image ("tough guy", callous, etc), (d) you have aggression towards society, but you aren't a true sociopath, (e) you're a regular narcissist, and confuse the symptoms of narcissism with sociopathy.

Anyway, I have given you bad karma for claiming to be a sociopath. Real sociopaths are the scum of the earth who should all be sterilised at birth, and segregated from the rest of society. Fake wannabe sociopaths are losers.
Title: Re: LSD/MDMA and Trileptal/Oxcarbazepine Mood Stabilizers?
Post by: sirius on May 08, 2013, 01:33 am
Ok, here is my 2 cents.
I am a sociopath
If you were a true sociopath, you wouldn't be answering his/her question. You wouldn't be trying to help him. You don't have empathy. You don't give a shit about anyone but yourself. You could kill a child without feeling a thing.

More likely, you're a self-diagnosed internet sociopath -- but actually either (a) asperger's sufferer, (b) a schizoid personality disorder, or (c) a normal person who represses empathy to conform to a made-up self-image ("tough guy", callous, etc), (d) you have aggression towards society, but you aren't a true sociopath, (e) you're a regular narcissist, and confuse the symptoms of narcissism with sociopathy.

Anyway, I have given you bad karma for claiming to be a sociopath. Real sociopaths are the scum of the earth who should all be sterilised at birth, and segregated from the rest of society. Fake wannabe sociopaths are losers.
I can help people and be a sociopath... Where are you getting your info on sociopaths anyway? The internet I bet...

Haha, negative karma  ;)
Title: Re: LSD/MDMA and Trileptal/Oxcarbazepine Mood Stabilizers?
Post by: joywind on May 08, 2013, 02:36 am
Ok, here is my 2 cents.
I am a sociopath
If you were a true sociopath, you wouldn't be answering his/her question. You wouldn't be trying to help him. You don't have empathy. You don't give a shit about anyone but yourself. You could kill a child without feeling a thing.

More likely, you're a self-diagnosed internet sociopath -- but actually either (a) asperger's sufferer, (b) a schizoid personality disorder, or (c) a normal person who represses empathy to conform to a made-up self-image ("tough guy", callous, etc), (d) you have aggression towards society, but you aren't a true sociopath, (e) you're a regular narcissist, and confuse the symptoms of narcissism with sociopathy.

Anyway, I have given you bad karma for claiming to be a sociopath. Real sociopaths are the scum of the earth who should all be sterilised at birth, and segregated from the rest of society. Fake wannabe sociopaths are losers.
I can help people and be a sociopath... Where are you getting your info on sociopaths anyway? The internet I bet...

Haha, negative karma  ;)
fake wannabe sociopath
Title: Re: LSD/MDMA and Trileptal/Oxcarbazepine Mood Stabilizers?
Post by: flicky42 on May 08, 2013, 03:08 am
Do not combine psycs with mood stabilizers and anti-psychotics. They are antagonizing the same receptors that LSD is working on (e,g, 5ht-2a d1, d3,)

Title: Re: LSD/MDMA and Trileptal/Oxcarbazepine Mood Stabilizers?
Post by: zvp1014 on May 08, 2013, 11:54 pm
Do not combine psycs with mood stabilizers and anti-psychotics. They are antagonizing the same receptors that LSD is working on (e,g, 5ht-2a d1, d3,)

Trileptal, from what I understand, is first and foremost an anticonvulsant (to prevent epileptic seizures). My very minimal/uneducated understanding of it is that it affects GABA receptors, not serotonin ones.
Title: Re: LSD/MDMA and Trileptal/Oxcarbazepine Mood Stabilizers?
Post by: flicky42 on May 09, 2013, 03:41 am
Do not combine psycs with mood stabilizers and anti-psychotics. They are antagonizing the same receptors that LSD is working on (e,g, 5ht-2a d1, d3,)

Trileptal, from what I understand, is first and foremost an anticonvulsant (to prevent epileptic seizures). My very minimal/uneducated understanding of it is that it affects GABA receptors, not serotonin ones.
You're partially correct and I did misread. The drug is an anti-convulsant which inhibits sodium channels, but I do not believe it works on the GABA receptor. This drug will dull the effects of an LSD trip and a roll for sure though. 
Title: Re: LSD/MDMA and Trileptal/Oxcarbazepine Mood Stabilizers?
Post by: zvp1014 on May 09, 2013, 11:11 pm
You're partially correct and I did misread. The drug is an anti-convulsant which inhibits sodium channels, but I do not believe it works on the GABA receptor. This drug will dull the effects of an LSD trip and a roll for sure though.

My psychiatrist said it was a GABA acting drug which is why I said that >.> Albeit we were discussing three different meds as a means of action, perhaps she was referring to one of the others.

If it'll dull the effects, I'm not too concerned, perhaps I'll just take a higher dose. If it amplifies the effects or changes them into a dissociative fugue (like with Lithium), then I'm concerned/afraid and wouldn't want to take it.