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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: wondercow11 on May 04, 2013, 03:53 am
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me and my friend will be going to alot of concerts during the summer and we both want to candyflip. I have done lucy 4x and mdma x1 never both together.
on the other hand my friend has some disorders that I think dont mix well with either drug.
she has:
-ADD
-anxiety
-mild depression
the depression runs in the family
shes fine with alcohol
sometimes when she smoked weed she had psychotic episodes.
I know she probably cant but i just wanted to hear someones opinion :)
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Has she ever ingested LSD before?
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If she can barely handle weed I'd stay away from LSD..... MDMA on the other hand.... if she has no issues like heart issues, shouldn't be a problem. Everybody loves molly.
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if its a festival that lasts longer than 2 days, take mdma on the last night
you dont want to fuck up ur serotonin resources the first day
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Has she ever ingested LSD before?
no
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I agree with holly, have her stay far and away from lsd.
MDMA would be a big help to her. And if you can, get a hold of some ghb, it goes well with mdma and lovely by itself. It does wonders for depression and anxiety and a lot of fun as well, like alcohol with some euphoria/empathy and no hangover.
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if its a festival that lasts longer than 2 days, take mdma on the last night
you dont want to fuck up ur serotonin resources the first day
well, it would be for several concerts and a festival (3 days)
we both would have 5-htp and multi-vitamins to make sure we arent zombies lol.
about the 5-htp, when should you take it? I might be thinking of doing molly 2 or even maybe 3 days in a row.
is that to dangerous? She told me her depression is a form of manic depression as well.
I also found this on erowid.. what do you think? :
"Some research shows that MDMA can have a therapeutic effect on depression/anxity, but it depends on what the root of the depression/anxiety is. For instance, people who have social anxiety or find it difficult to change their highly introverted personality can become depressed due to feeling excluded from the world. MDMA helps these people as it tends to induce a degree of extroversion and sociability in the right setting.
On the other hand, if the depression is heavily related to an ongoing biochemical imbalance that doesn't seem responsive to changes in lifestyle, then MDMA could really mess a person up.
If you are prone to depression and you do MDMA once in a blue moon, it should not have a significant impact on your brain. Just don't do it often. If your friend is dosing for the first time, I would recommend a low initial dose, mostly to get an understanding of what the post-MDMA recovery would be like. If it seems ok, then the next dose could be a bit higher. I would recommend waiting a minimum of one month before doses, but longer is better."
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I agree with holly, have her stay far and away from lsd.
MDMA would be a big help to her. And if you can, get a hold of some ghb, it goes well with mdma and lovely by itself. It does wonders for depression and anxiety and a lot of fun as well, like alcohol with some euphoria/empathy and no hangover.
what is ghb?
and thank you all for your input, if someone tells me how to give karma ill give it to all of you :]
+1 to all :D
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I agree with holly, have her stay far and away from lsd.
MDMA would be a big help to her. And if you can, get a hold of some ghb, it goes well with mdma and lovely by itself. It does wonders for depression and anxiety and a lot of fun as well, like alcohol with some euphoria/empathy and no hangover.
what is ghb?
and thank you all for your input, if someone tells me how to give karma ill give it to all of you :]
+1 to all :D
Here is erowid info on ghb. https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_effects.shtml Though it's safer than they make it out, just be sure to measure your doses, start low and work your way up. Since she's a girl, start with 1g, her sweet spot will be between there and 2g, more of she's a big girl. Also wait 2 hours before redosing.
Here is the erowod FAQ on ghb: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_faq.shtml
ForeverJung has great prices right now since he's having an introductory sale. I actually have some ghb on the way from him and will pop in to let you know what I think of it (Monday or Tuesday).
P.S. You need 100 posts to give +. I'll go ahead and give it for you though :).
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I agree with holly, have her stay far and away from lsd.
MDMA would be a big help to her. And if you can, get a hold of some ghb, it goes well with mdma and lovely by itself. It does wonders for depression and anxiety and a lot of fun as well, like alcohol with some euphoria/empathy and no hangover.
what is ghb?
and thank you all for your input, if someone tells me how to give karma ill give it to all of you :]
+1 to all :D
Here is erowid info on ghb. https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_effects.shtml Though it's safer than they make it out, just be sure to measure your doses, start low and work your way up. Since she's a girl, start with 1g, her sweet spot will be between there and 2g, more of she's a big girl. Also wait 2 hours before redosing.
Here is the erowod FAQ on ghb: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_faq.shtml
ForeverJung has great prices right now since he's having an introductory sale. I actually have some ghb on the way from him and will pop in to let you know what I think of it (Monday or Tuesday).
P.S. You need 100 posts to give +. I'll go ahead and give it for you though :).
ok, I will definantly check it out. might buy some this week:]
can I just do it alone with weed? what would it be like?
and for a 3-day festival, its ok for me to take it 3 days in a row? and is it recommended to keep on re-dosing?
thanks for the karma:]
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Even though it's not a popular stance I take - I try to refrain from mixing any drugs. Ill just stay high on a single substance until it's time to come down. Most times I have mixed one thing w another , it always seemed too unpredictable and alot less safe. sure coming down sucks,but even if it feels like shit, it's not going to kill me, and will be over soon enough also.
If you dont feel right about doing something - anything for that matter- for fuck's sake dont do it.
I cant speak for the rest but; I take dope to feel good, not uncomfortable.
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well, it would be for several concerts and a festival (3 days)
we both would have 5-htp and multi-vitamins to make sure we arent zombies lol.
about the 5-htp, when should you take it? I might be thinking of doing molly 2 or even maybe 3 days in a row.
is that to dangerous?
never used 5-htp so i cant give you info about that.
i wouldnt advice you to party on mdma 3 days straight, the comedown would be quiet intensive.
since mdma lasts about 4-5h you would have to reload quiet often...
mix it up with amphetamine, ketamine, cocaine or something out of the 2-c family.
i also like opium orally now and then, makes me happy.. ;D
on the last day lsd+ 4-5h later some mdma should be perfect..
dont overdo 1 drug, it gets boring and unsatisfying after 1-2 days
cheers minchia
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I tend to take 5htp and l-tryptophan on the come down of MDMA. I'd then take 2 a day of each. The does doesn't matter too much to be honest. You'll not OD on it! I take magnesium before to help with the jaw clenching and have loads of gum on standby for that too.
The evidence behind taking any of them is not great. It's just a theory that by taking precursors of seratonin and dopamine you can replenish your stores quicker. It's worth taking them anyway. The magnesium has anecdotal evidence too. Helps me a bit though.
The blues after taking MDMA can be pretty bad if you've already got underlying depression but if you're there for her then that should hopefully be OK.
I'd always stay away from anything other than MDMA at a festival. I like to be happy but not totally out of my face, in another dimension.
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i get nightmare trips with LSD because of my depression.....for me LSD ego death is BAD because i get to the point where i am afraid, once i lose control of my body, that i will KILL myself because of my depression...so i end up curled up in a fetal position, not moving, for fear that i will jump out of a window or run into a car or something.....PEOPLE WHO DONT LIKE TO LOSE CONTROL, AND/OR ALSO SUFFER FROM DEPRESSION, SHOULD BE CAREFUL WITH PSYCHEDELICS.
lsd gives me the worst experience you can possibly imagine. I think it is because of my depression. I realize how lonely and pathetic i am. and how i deserve to die.
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well, it would be for several concerts and a festival (3 days)
we both would have 5-htp and multi-vitamins to make sure we arent zombies lol.
about the 5-htp, when should you take it? I might be thinking of doing molly 2 or even maybe 3 days in a row.
is that to dangerous?
never used 5-htp so i cant give you info about that.
i wouldnt advice you to party on mdma 3 days straight, the comedown would be quiet intensive.
since mdma lasts about 4-5h you would have to reload quiet often...
mix it up with amphetamine, ketamine, cocaine or something out of the 2-c family.
i also like opium orally now and then, makes me happy.. ;D
on the last day lsd+ 4-5h later some mdma should be perfect..
dont overdo 1 drug, it gets boring and unsatisfying after 1-2 days
cheers minchia
thank you.
I was only planning to candyflip the second day (because of my favorite artists)
btw if you guys were all wondering me and my friend are going to electric zoo, so you can look at that lineup:]
my friend appreciates all of your responses and she wanted to say thanks.
She told me she takes : 5 mg klonopin and 300 mg of wellbutrin
and she wanted to know about the post-depression.
would she be ok with the ghb too since its naturally in the body?
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I'd always stay away from anything other than MDMA at a festival. I like to be happy but not totally out of my face, in another dimension.
well it all depends on the fine art of dosing ;)
too much mdma can make people pretty ugly too.
there is no 100% safe drug
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Ah didn't know about the meds. Ok, she shouldn't take klonipin the same day she takes ghb. They are a dangerous combo as with other benzos or alcohol. They potentiate each other and can lead to respiratory distress. If she needs it every day, then do without.
I'm also very concerned about the mdma/wellbutrin combo. Here's a bluelight thread on the question, have her give it a read and see if she wants to still risk it: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/206628-Does-Wellbutrin-affect-MDMA especially this part:
1. What are the potential risks of mixing bupropion (the generic name for Wellbutrin, which is how I shall refer to it) and MDMA (Ecstasy)?
2. What is the mechanism of action of bupropion, and will it kill the Ecstasy, strengthen it or what?
3. Would a one- or two-day “washout” period lessen either of these effects?
We can approach this problem in a couple of ways. The first is to think a little about the pharmacology of the two substances and see if we can make a reasonable guess at what might happen should we mix the two drugs. And the second—the more practical but less reliable approach—is to see if we can find any described cases of people running into trouble mixing the two.
As you know, the human brain is a hugely complicated neural network that generates thought, emotion and behavior through an ever-changing pattern of electrical impulses, similar to those that run through the microprocessor of your computer. What your brain has that your computer does not, however—and the reason why we can understand a joke, walk up a flight of stairs and beat all but the best chess-playing machines—is a system of chemicals called neurotransmitters that modulate the flow of electrical impulses and give the entire system considerably more flexibility than a machine ever has. There are about a hundred different neurotransmitters; about sixty have been discovered, and six or so can be manipulated pharmacologically. Ninety percent of your synapses are simply excitatory (glutamine) or inhibitory (GABA), the fundamental black-and-white yin-yang that underlies our existence. Three of the hundred neurotransmitters are special, however. Serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine, which spring from a relatively tiny collection of cells in your brainstem, project to all corners of your brain and add the color to your existence.. And it is for that reason that almost all psychiatric drugs are targeted towards one or more of the three.
Antidepressants such as Prozac, Luvox, Zoloft, Paxil, Celexa, and Lexapro are called SSRIs, or “selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors”. By blocking the pump that clears serotonin from the synapses, these drugs are able to cause prolonged high levels of serotonin. The body responds after a couple of weeks by decreasing the number of serotonin receptors that detect the serotonin, and for reasons not entirely clear, this causes an improvement in mood. MDMA affects the serotonin reuptake pump as well, not by blocking it, but by making it spin in reverse, dumping a flood of serotonin—about 80% of your total supply—into the synapse and causing an immediate mood elevation. Not surprisingly, MDMA and all the drugs I just mentioned interact with each other, although it might surprise you to know that generally antidepressants trump MDMA every time; they all bind to the serotonin pump more strongly and will displace MDMA if it is present.
You are correct that bupropion acts via a slightly different mechanism, however—it is not an SSRI but an “aminoketone”. Rather than affecting serotonin, it targets the other two colorful neurotransmitters I mentioned, norepinephrine and—less strongly—dopamine. Norepinephrine is the neurotransmitter most strongly associated with arousal and alertness, and it is for this reason that first-time users of bupropion complain that it feels “speedy”, akin to drinking two or three cups of coffee, before they get used to it. Unfortunately, taken further this can also lead to the big worrisome side effect of bupropion—seizures. Generally seizures do not occur at doses lower than 450 mg/day, or in the absence of something else that might lower one’s seizure threshold, such as an electrolyte imbalance (as can occur in bulimics) or a head injury. In doses less than 300mg a day, your seizure risk is one in a thousand; in doses between 300mg and 450mg a day, that rises to four in a thousand. Not a lot, but not nothing, either. What about combining it with MDMA? Seizures have certainly been reported from use of Ecstasy, although the incidence pales in comparison with that reported from other stimulants such as cocaine or methamphetamine. Often the seizures are actually from a metabolic imbalance such as low sodium, or it turns out that the Ecstasy involved was actually not MDMA at all, but rather an adulterant such as PMA . Still, you never know what you’re getting, and we have to assume that Ecstasy can lower the seizure threshold in those susceptible to it, and that could be you. So don’t come crying to me if it happens, eh?
Is a washout period worth it then? The half-life of bupropion is fairly short—21 hours—which is why it is usually given twice a day. Not much will be left in your system if you stop for a couple of days, and unlike some antidepressants such as Effexor or Paxil that have a discontinuation syndrome that will kick your ass, bupropion is easy to stop. However, it has three active metabolites that accumulate to high levels and take much longer to leave the body—hydroxybupropion has a half-life of 20 hours, erythrobupropion 33 hours and threohydrobupropion 37 hours. We can easily calculate how much is left after a drug holiday:
Drug: 24h 48h 72h
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bupropion 45% 20% 9%
hydroxybupropion 43% 19% 8%
erythrobupropion 60% 36% 22%
threohydrobupropion 63% 40% 25%
Even after three days, there’s still a substantial amount of stuff floating around in your bloodstream, which is no doubt why nobody seems to have any problems stopping it for a day or two. The active metabolites are actually what’s thought to be responsible for the unpleasant side effects of the medication, but whether they’re responsible for causing the seizures as well, I don’t know!
So much for theory. Now, are there any actual cases reported of people who have tried bupropion and Ecstasy, or who have run into difficulties with the combination? Now, I couldn’t find out how many people have been given bupropion in the USA, but in the UK the figure is 419,000, or 0.7% of the population. Given 2.5 million Ecstasy users in the same country, odds are that 17,000 people in the UK alone have tried the combination, with probably many more in this country. A search of the scientific literature reveals plenty of case reports of people developing serotonin syndrome or other adverse side effects from combining Ecstasy with antidepressants such as Zoloft, or monoamine oxidase inhibitors, or even nothing at all, but none from combining it with bupropion. An anonymous source in the government who has been collecting cases of Ecstasy/antidepressant interactions and who helps Dr. Mercury from time to time drew a blank when I asked about bupropion. That no proof it’s safe, of course, but the lack of tombstones is an indication that it’s probably not a fatal combination. And as far as interfering with the subjective effects of Ecstasy, a few of those 17,000 have reported back that it does not, which matches what we might predict from the pharmacology.
So in summary, I would say this. There have been no reported cases of adverse interactions or death from a combination of bupropion and MDMA. Bupropion should not diminish the strength of the experience. Discontinuing the bupropion for a few days should be safe but is probably won’t make a difference, and if you do so be careful not to start right up again at the full dose—ask your doctor for a recommendation regarding restarting it. I can’t promise that you won’t have a bad reaction, but you’re more likely to feel the “speedy” effects of combining two drugs with stimulant effects than you are to have an adverse effect such as a seizure or serotonin syndrome.
I hope this helps!
People have taken it and were fine but some weren't. It's a risk.
Definitely NO 5-HTP for her! Serotonin syndrome is a high possibility when combining with antidepressants. Seriously bad combo, can screw her over for weeks to months.
In any case, good luck. People on antidepressants really need to do a lot of research before exploring recreational drugs if any. It looks like she might be better off going sober.
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she has:
-ADD
-anxiety
-mild depression
Based on this she reminds me of myself lol. Does she have a prescription for Adderall? If not then she needs to get one. Even if she doesn't use it herself I'm sure somebody will lift it off her hands for a good price lol.
I have a very hard time with so many drugs because of the anxiety they cause, but MDMA is the cure to that. I personally would just stick with MDMA for a one-day festival. I don't know what I would do for a multi-day festival a lot of these drugs can cause anxiety (especially on the come up) and I think that would be hell while in public.
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Ah didn't know about the meds. Ok, she shouldn't take klonipin the same day she takes ghb. They are a dangerous combo as with other benzos or alcohol. They potentiate each other and can lead to respiratory distress. If she needs it every day, then do without.
I'm also very concerned about the mdma/wellbutrin combo. Here's a bluelight thread on the question, have her give it a read and see if she wants to still risk it: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/206628-Does-Wellbutrin-affect-MDMA especially this part:
1. What are the potential risks of mixing bupropion (the generic name for Wellbutrin, which is how I shall refer to it) and MDMA (Ecstasy)?
2. What is the mechanism of action of bupropion, and will it kill the Ecstasy, strengthen it or what?
3. Would a one- or two-day “washout” period lessen either of these effects?
We can approach this problem in a couple of ways. The first is to think a little about the pharmacology of the two substances and see if we can make a reasonable guess at what might happen should we mix the two drugs. And the second—the more practical but less reliable approach—is to see if we can find any described cases of people running into trouble mixing the two.
As you know, the human brain is a hugely complicated neural network that generates thought, emotion and behavior through an ever-changing pattern of electrical impulses, similar to those that run through the microprocessor of your computer. What your brain has that your computer does not, however—and the reason why we can understand a joke, walk up a flight of stairs and beat all but the best chess-playing machines—is a system of chemicals called neurotransmitters that modulate the flow of electrical impulses and give the entire system considerably more flexibility than a machine ever has. There are about a hundred different neurotransmitters; about sixty have been discovered, and six or so can be manipulated pharmacologically. Ninety percent of your synapses are simply excitatory (glutamine) or inhibitory (GABA), the fundamental black-and-white yin-yang that underlies our existence. Three of the hundred neurotransmitters are special, however. Serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine, which spring from a relatively tiny collection of cells in your brainstem, project to all corners of your brain and add the color to your existence.. And it is for that reason that almost all psychiatric drugs are targeted towards one or more of the three.
Antidepressants such as Prozac, Luvox, Zoloft, Paxil, Celexa, and Lexapro are called SSRIs, or “selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors”. By blocking the pump that clears serotonin from the synapses, these drugs are able to cause prolonged high levels of serotonin. The body responds after a couple of weeks by decreasing the number of serotonin receptors that detect the serotonin, and for reasons not entirely clear, this causes an improvement in mood. MDMA affects the serotonin reuptake pump as well, not by blocking it, but by making it spin in reverse, dumping a flood of serotonin—about 80% of your total supply—into the synapse and causing an immediate mood elevation. Not surprisingly, MDMA and all the drugs I just mentioned interact with each other, although it might surprise you to know that generally antidepressants trump MDMA every time; they all bind to the serotonin pump more strongly and will displace MDMA if it is present.
You are correct that bupropion acts via a slightly different mechanism, however—it is not an SSRI but an “aminoketone”. Rather than affecting serotonin, it targets the other two colorful neurotransmitters I mentioned, norepinephrine and—less strongly—dopamine. Norepinephrine is the neurotransmitter most strongly associated with arousal and alertness, and it is for this reason that first-time users of bupropion complain that it feels “speedy”, akin to drinking two or three cups of coffee, before they get used to it. Unfortunately, taken further this can also lead to the big worrisome side effect of bupropion—seizures. Generally seizures do not occur at doses lower than 450 mg/day, or in the absence of something else that might lower one’s seizure threshold, such as an electrolyte imbalance (as can occur in bulimics) or a head injury. In doses less than 300mg a day, your seizure risk is one in a thousand; in doses between 300mg and 450mg a day, that rises to four in a thousand. Not a lot, but not nothing, either. What about combining it with MDMA? Seizures have certainly been reported from use of Ecstasy, although the incidence pales in comparison with that reported from other stimulants such as cocaine or methamphetamine. Often the seizures are actually from a metabolic imbalance such as low sodium, or it turns out that the Ecstasy involved was actually not MDMA at all, but rather an adulterant such as PMA . Still, you never know what you’re getting, and we have to assume that Ecstasy can lower the seizure threshold in those susceptible to it, and that could be you. So don’t come crying to me if it happens, eh?
Is a washout period worth it then? The half-life of bupropion is fairly short—21 hours—which is why it is usually given twice a day. Not much will be left in your system if you stop for a couple of days, and unlike some antidepressants such as Effexor or Paxil that have a discontinuation syndrome that will kick your ass, bupropion is easy to stop. However, it has three active metabolites that accumulate to high levels and take much longer to leave the body—hydroxybupropion has a half-life of 20 hours, erythrobupropion 33 hours and threohydrobupropion 37 hours. We can easily calculate how much is left after a drug holiday:
Drug: 24h 48h 72h
__________________________________________________ ______
bupropion 45% 20% 9%
hydroxybupropion 43% 19% 8%
erythrobupropion 60% 36% 22%
threohydrobupropion 63% 40% 25%
Even after three days, there’s still a substantial amount of stuff floating around in your bloodstream, which is no doubt why nobody seems to have any problems stopping it for a day or two. The active metabolites are actually what’s thought to be responsible for the unpleasant side effects of the medication, but whether they’re responsible for causing the seizures as well, I don’t know!
So much for theory. Now, are there any actual cases reported of people who have tried bupropion and Ecstasy, or who have run into difficulties with the combination? Now, I couldn’t find out how many people have been given bupropion in the USA, but in the UK the figure is 419,000, or 0.7% of the population. Given 2.5 million Ecstasy users in the same country, odds are that 17,000 people in the UK alone have tried the combination, with probably many more in this country. A search of the scientific literature reveals plenty of case reports of people developing serotonin syndrome or other adverse side effects from combining Ecstasy with antidepressants such as Zoloft, or monoamine oxidase inhibitors, or even nothing at all, but none from combining it with bupropion. An anonymous source in the government who has been collecting cases of Ecstasy/antidepressant interactions and who helps Dr. Mercury from time to time drew a blank when I asked about bupropion. That no proof it’s safe, of course, but the lack of tombstones is an indication that it’s probably not a fatal combination. And as far as interfering with the subjective effects of Ecstasy, a few of those 17,000 have reported back that it does not, which matches what we might predict from the pharmacology.
So in summary, I would say this. There have been no reported cases of adverse interactions or death from a combination of bupropion and MDMA. Bupropion should not diminish the strength of the experience. Discontinuing the bupropion for a few days should be safe but is probably won’t make a difference, and if you do so be careful not to start right up again at the full dose—ask your doctor for a recommendation regarding restarting it. I can’t promise that you won’t have a bad reaction, but you’re more likely to feel the “speedy” effects of combining two drugs with stimulant effects than you are to have an adverse effect such as a seizure or serotonin syndrome.
I hope this helps!
People have taken it and were fine but some weren't. It's a risk.
Definitely NO 5-HTP for her! Serotonin syndrome is a high possibility when combining with antidepressants. Seriously bad combo, can screw her over for weeks to months.
In any case, good luck. People on antidepressants really need to do a lot of research before exploring recreational drugs if any. It looks like she might be better off going sober.
she used to take 5-htp daily, but now it is as needed as well for the klonopin. she said that she is still deciding.. we have 3 months to decide.
if she is 135lb, how much ghb should she take? and im 252lb, male, wbu me?
she says thank you guys so much again
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For ghb, you want to test it out before the festival and find your happy zones. She should start with 1g and you could probably start with 2g. If you get/make a 50% solution, she starts with 2ml and you start with 4ml (mix with orange juice, grapefruit juice, or ginger ale to mask the taste). A measuring syringe is good for this which you can get at a grocery store or pharmacy. Remember, no alcohol or klonipin those days!
Over a few days or every few days, go up by 0.5g (1ml) until you hit a happy place without getting too sleepy (kind of drunk, very mellow, you might even roll if you're horny or start to have sex). It only lasts for 4 hours and if you overdose you'll want to go to sleep. So make sure you're relatively close to wanting to go to bed anyway. If you get clean stuff you should have no hangover or ill-effects the next day. Most days I feel great the next morning (some countries used it as an antidepressant because of this).
At some point you'll find your sleep dose if you keep pushing it which isn't a bad thing, though you may be wide awake around 5-6 hours later (look up reverse dopamine affect if you want to research why).
Once you find your happy zone, take that dose at the festival and every 3 hours you redose 50% of your initial dose.
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For ghb, you want to test it out before the festival and find your happy zones. She should start with 1g and you could probably start with 2g. If you get/make a 50% solution, she starts with 2ml and you start with 4ml (mix with orange juice, grapefruit juice, or ginger ale to mask the taste). A measuring syringe is good for this which you can get at a grocery store or pharmacy. Remember, no alcohol or klonipin those days!
Over a few days or every few days, go up by 0.5g (1ml) until you hit a happy place without getting too sleepy (kind of drunk, very mellow, you might even roll if you're horny or start to have sex). It only lasts for 4 hours and if you overdose you'll want to go to sleep. So make sure you're relatively close to wanting to go to bed anyway. If you get clean stuff you should have no hangover or ill-effects the next day. Most days I feel great the next morning (some countries used it as an antidepressant because of this).
At some point you'll find your sleep dose if you keep pushing it which isn't a bad thing, though you may be wide awake around 5-6 hours later (look up reverse dopamine affect if you want to research why).
Once you find your happy zone, take that dose at the festival and every 3 hours you redose 50% of your initial dose.
so i basically its for her : 1g + 2ml liquid and 2g + 4ml liquid? im sorry if i got it wrong its kind of confusing lol
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For ghb, you want to test it out before the festival and find your happy zones. She should start with 1g and you could probably start with 2g. If you get/make a 50% solution, she starts with 2ml and you start with 4ml (mix with orange juice, grapefruit juice, or ginger ale to mask the taste). A measuring syringe is good for this which you can get at a grocery store or pharmacy. Remember, no alcohol or klonipin those days!
Over a few days or every few days, go up by 0.5g (1ml) until you hit a happy place without getting too sleepy (kind of drunk, very mellow, you might even roll if you're horny or start to have sex). It only lasts for 4 hours and if you overdose you'll want to go to sleep. So make sure you're relatively close to wanting to go to bed anyway. If you get clean stuff you should have no hangover or ill-effects the next day. Most days I feel great the next morning (some countries used it as an antidepressant because of this).
At some point you'll find your sleep dose if you keep pushing it which isn't a bad thing, though you may be wide awake around 5-6 hours later (look up reverse dopamine affect if you want to research why).
Once you find your happy zone, take that dose at the festival and every 3 hours you redose 50% of your initial dose.
so i basically its for her : 1g + 2ml liquid and 2g + 4ml liquid? im sorry if i got it wrong its kind of confusing lol
1g + 0.5g = 2ml for the first time then add 1ml after that
2g + 0.5g = 4ml for the first time then add 1ml after that
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For ghb, you want to test it out before the festival and find your happy zones. She should start with 1g and you could probably start with 2g. If you get/make a 50% solution, she starts with 2ml and you start with 4ml (mix with orange juice, grapefruit juice, or ginger ale to mask the taste). A measuring syringe is good for this which you can get at a grocery store or pharmacy. Remember, no alcohol or klonipin those days!
Over a few days or every few days, go up by 0.5g (1ml) until you hit a happy place without getting too sleepy (kind of drunk, very mellow, you might even roll if you're horny or start to have sex). It only lasts for 4 hours and if you overdose you'll want to go to sleep. So make sure you're relatively close to wanting to go to bed anyway. If you get clean stuff you should have no hangover or ill-effects the next day. Most days I feel great the next morning (some countries used it as an antidepressant because of this).
At some point you'll find your sleep dose if you keep pushing it which isn't a bad thing, though you may be wide awake around 5-6 hours later (look up reverse dopamine affect if you want to research why).
Once you find your happy zone, take that dose at the festival and every 3 hours you redose 50% of your initial dose.
so i basically its for her : 1g + 2ml liquid and 2g + 4ml liquid? im sorry if i got it wrong its kind of confusing lol
1g + 0.5g = 2ml for the first time then add 1ml after that
2g + 0.5g = 4ml for the first time then add 1ml after that
ok thank you guys again!
and am I going to get horny to the point im humping shit? lol i dont want that.
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You wont be humping anything unless you already had plans to. It enhances feelings of pleasure and arousal. Now if you have a tendency to hump stuff when you're aroused, it's not going to stop you but it wont make you do anything either.
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You wont be humping anything unless you already had plans to. It enhances feelings of pleasure and arousal. Now if you have a tendency to hump stuff when you're aroused, it's not going to stop you but it wont make you do anything either.
oh, another wanker male who uses a photo of a female in order to get pos karma. Nice trick you did there. Female avatars fool a lot of people on these forums.
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You wont be humping anything unless you already had plans to. It enhances feelings of pleasure and arousal. Now if you have a tendency to hump stuff when you're aroused, it's not going to stop you but it wont make you do anything either.
oh, another wanker male who uses a photo of a female in order to get pos karma. Nice trick you did there. Female avatars fool a lot of people on these forums.
I think you got Wondercow and I mixed up. He's male and I'm felmale (though obviously not the person in my avie).
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for more info on GHB check out BlueGiraffe's thread on it http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90582.60 for me it's on page 5
a really informative guide to using and the dosages.
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You wont be humping anything unless you already had plans to. It enhances feelings of pleasure and arousal. Now if you have a tendency to hump stuff when you're aroused, it's not going to stop you but it wont make you do anything either.
ok thank god haha. this is my last question. so for my 3-day festival i want to be mostly energetic during the 2nd day. that day i was going to candyflip and smoke weed. and on the third day weed or coke to keep me awake.. what do you think i should do for the 1st day? and you have any tips on smuggling weed into festivals?
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I don't have much expertise when it comes to festivals. But there are a few threads that discuss the issue.