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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: poshiger on April 27, 2013, 01:13 am

Title: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: poshiger on April 27, 2013, 01:13 am
The DDOS attack was an effort to stall the entire bitcoin market and increase the supply of coins. If nobody's able to spend their, then they won't be buying more, and the price will drop.

Dread Pirate Roberts sale is an effort to catch back up on the turnover of coins, and help the market stay consistent or move to a higher price.

What then what?
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: itsthecops on April 27, 2013, 06:50 pm
Good theory. 

I suspect it was all bitcoin related too.  The same guys did it to the exchanges, the. They hit Silk Road to experiment and examine with how it affected the market.    Now, they know what they needed for future manipulation tactics.

I have a feeling a lot of legit businessmen want out of bitcoin because of coming regulations. They want to jack the price as much as possible for their big sell off without having to report t. 

I think Atlantis site admins just took credit for the attack. Use it to their advantage.

Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: theonion on April 28, 2013, 10:13 pm
I have a feeling a lot of legit businessmen want out of bitcoin because of coming regulations. They want to jack the price as much as possible for their big sell off without having to report t. 

But OP was saying that this attack would bring down the bitcoin value, not up. Personally I don't think it's working, if that's the reason behind the DDoS. The price hasn't really changed all that much
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: commodore64 on April 28, 2013, 10:36 pm
The DDOS attack was an effort to stall the entire bitcoin market and increase the supply of coins. If nobody's able to spend their, then they won't be buying more, and the price will drop.

Dread Pirate Roberts sale is an effort to catch back up on the turnover of coins, and help the market stay consistent or move to a higher price.

What then what?

Can you explain this in more detail?  I can't make sense of your reasoning
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: poshiger on April 29, 2013, 02:23 am
Can you explain this in more detail?  I can't make sense of your reasoning
No  :(
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: bruzzcuzz on April 29, 2013, 02:47 am
i just think its those guy at atlantis might have either come up with it or been threatened with "pay us and we ddos your competitor for 1 month or dont pay us and we ddos you instead for 1 month". i saw some similar type of extortion threat posted by another member recently along those lines of internet business.

atlantis will get5 a massive influx of users due to it.

i also read somethying about how to ddos an onion site was only recently discovered if i recall correctly the past 3 weeks.

if any of these are the case i very much fear the survivability of sr.. i lived through the attacks on irc dalnet and those attacks totally killed dalnet

i have no idea how ddos can be thwarted
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: Eternal Sunshine on April 29, 2013, 03:49 am
I believe from a technical standpoint DPR should try to deny access from

onion.to
and tor2web.com

I believe the attacker would use one of this services to attack the website using a botnet. It's much easier to do this than to have the tor browser installed (and somehow get it to run in the bg) on all his bots.
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: DanDanTheIceCreamMan on April 29, 2013, 03:52 am
At this point it's all just speculation as to who is behind the DDOS but I personally am never going ti use that atlantis site. If they are in any way involved in this then fuck them and fuck their shitty business practices. If it wasn't them I'm sorry but still not ever going to use it. I'll be sticking with DPR til the end.
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: LesbianRobot on April 29, 2013, 04:04 am
Fuck Atlantis!
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: Razorspyne on April 29, 2013, 07:13 am
Can you explain this in more detail?  I can't make sense of your reasoning
No  :(

Um...?

Is there any point me making a long post? ....nah, not really. ::)

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: avast on April 29, 2013, 07:15 am
I believe from a technical standpoint DPR should try to deny access from

onion.to
and tor2web.com

I believe the attacker would use one of this services to attack the website using a botnet. It's much easier to do this than to have the tor browser installed (and somehow get it to run in the bg) on all his bots.

Although it would be a good idea in theory it is impossible to implement because of the way the hidden onion sites work.  I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Silk road only knows that it is communicating with tor exit nodes...
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: newhorizen on April 29, 2013, 11:05 am


I have a feeling a lot of legit businessmen want out of bitcoin because of coming regulations. They want to jack the price as much as possible for their big sell off without having to report t. 


What kind of new regulations are coming down?
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: Yoda on April 29, 2013, 12:18 pm
I think Atlantis site admins just took credit for the attack.

Do you have a source for this?... or is this just conjecture?
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: poshiger on April 29, 2013, 04:32 pm
Can you explain this in more detail?  I can't make sense of your reasoning
No  :(

Um...?

Is there any point me making a long post? ....nah, not really. ::)

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
Ok!  8)
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: Tessellated on April 29, 2013, 04:55 pm
I believe from a technical standpoint DPR should try to deny access from

onion.to
and tor2web.com

I believe the attacker would use one of this services to attack the website using a botnet. It's much easier to do this than to have the tor browser installed (and somehow get it to run in the bg) on all his bots.

I know a thing or two about DOS and DDOS attacks and I can say that this is wrong.

When running such an attack you do not want a bottleneck. It is exceedingly trivial to open 200 separate tor connections and spam data through them. The tor network is unable to throttle how many connections you make.
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: TheEmeraldTriangle on April 29, 2013, 05:17 pm
I'm having trouble with the whole bitcoin theory of the DDOS. Yes, SR is the undisputed largest retail site that uses bitcoin as it's currency of exchange, but the trick there is that it *is* used for exchange. Investors hold a lot more (bitcion) money than SR's tiny volume. I don't know very many people who have and use bitcoin, but even I know one investor who holds more in bitcoin than DPR makes in a year.

It's more plausible to me that this is orchestrated by a government agency, or multiple government agencies. Silk Road *has* been in the main stream news recently, remember. (Why is it that bitcoin cannot be brought up in a news piece without SR being mentioned?) The last time Silk Road popped up in the main stream press, politicians in Washington were climbing all over themselves to get to a microphone to announce how horrid and evil Silk Road was, and how it "needed to be taken down."

Well, they didn't take SR down. And since politicians have the attention span of 5 year olds, as soon as it was out of the news, the urgency died. But now it's happened again, and "cyber warfare" is now a thing, so governments are more capable. There's no reason at all to think that some bureaucrat might have sparked a brain cell and decided that the surest way to get rid of this moral anathema is to make it inaccessible. And, in government terms, a DDOS attack is cheap. VERY cheap, and very easy to sustain for a long period of time.

Just my idea, and no, I have no proof that a government agency is behind it.
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: ChemCat on April 29, 2013, 05:24 pm
This ^^^^

+1 from me to ya @ TET  ;)

Peace,


ChemCat

O0
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: TheEmeraldTriangle on April 29, 2013, 06:08 pm
This ^^^^

+1 from me to ya @ TET  ;)

Peace,


ChemCat

O0

LOL! Thanks. :D
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: Razorspyne on April 29, 2013, 11:30 pm
The motive of the DOS is to keep SR down and deny access to SR. They are not trying to gain anything other than to keep SR down. This suggests that it's not being done by governments, or activists, but by competition. The other competing markets are not being DOS'ed. Just consider the motive and the outcome.

I agree that the spamming and DDoS'ing are nothing to do with making money than to do with a persistent and long-running campaign (they started this crap in August, didn't they? not sure on exact date). I don't think that you should rule out government or activists though. Or LE, who are actually our one of our biggest drug rivals if not THE biggest. Remember, they have a fiscal incentive to see SR cease operating as well. The short term expenditure would be outweighed by the long term gain in stopping trading here as we have to return to IRL (which, for me at least, has always been a really good chuckle as I see wannabe "dealers" stumble around in the dark trying to, erm, "make the business work" Lol ::) )

I guess we don't have surveillance footage of the people who started this current attack, or February if it was the same thing, or November, which was not quite the same as this in severity as I remember it, but don't count out government interference or activism, in my opinion we should at least consider them. 

(Anyway, they suck! >:D )

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: awhiteknight on April 30, 2013, 12:12 am
I can't really see denial of service working as a long-term strategy, if SR goes down for an amount of time we'll just see more alternatives spring up. SR is profitable because they are a trusted party and can take their cut as an escrow, but if such centralized parties are routinely destroyed then someone is bound to write decentralized market software based on a web of trust.

The worst possible scenario is that that attack is part of some trick where the fix for it causes SR to expose themselves in some other way. I don't know how plausible that is though.

We should really prepare for SR vanishing one day though, communication lines between vendors and customers would allow us to transfer the trust we've built up across future marketplaces.

Save the public keys and email addresses of your favorite vendors, just in case!
Title: Re: My hypothesis on the DDOS
Post by: deivoxcarnal on April 30, 2013, 12:45 am
someone is bound to write decentralized market software based on a web of trust.


I hope this is already happening.