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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: thedoctorisin on March 16, 2012, 12:01 am

Title: Security for the shipper?
Post by: thedoctorisin on March 16, 2012, 12:01 am
Hi,

If I may start off by saying I’ve never personally shipped, nor have I ordered. My circumstances have changed and, if all goes well, may find myself in a place to ship in the near future.

I’ve spent a fair amount of time reading the forum on different methods of packing so there are no issues during shipping, but I haven’t seen much in the way of comments on protecting the shipper.

Assuming that one does not use a credit/debit/gift card, which made me wonder: Can a shipper be tracked down?

This really got me thinking.  The things to do (or not do, as it were) would be:

- Always wear gloves/protective clothing
- Wipe down everything you touch, even if you were wearing gloves
- Never lick the stamps/envelopes
- If using a CDN, pick up multiple slips from various POs and never use sequential numbers as to avoid creating a potential pattern
- Visit a box that is not under video surveillance
- Do not drive but walk up to the box, in case there is surveillance that you do not see
- After shipping an item do not use the same box  within a set period of time 
- If you are very concerned: Never use your home ISP to access Tor

With that said, short of being caught red handed while putting the packages into the mailbox, is there any conceivable way of getting caught as the shipper?
Title: Re: Security for the shipper?
Post by: raven92 on March 16, 2012, 12:42 am
If you deal out of the house, LE probably already has a suspicion that you do.
If you deal out of the house and by mail rarely, tying the mail to you is pretty unlikely.
If you mail 1 or more packages 2-3 times a week I'd suggest not going in a pattern where the center of the pattern is where you are.

If they can narrow down a good idea of where you are by where you are dropping packages from. Like going in a constant 15 mile radius around your house is pretty easy to take a guess that you are in the center. Talk to the local LE, get an idea of who they have any Intel on, put surveillance on them. Start buying products off SR to random areas, eventually a pattern will likely show up definitive enough to give it away.

Given the above is quite a bit of work, but we've seen some pretty heroic efforts before for some really stupid busts. IMHO if you deal by mail, stay away from ever selling anything IRL.
Title: Re: Security for the shipper?
Post by: thedoctorisin on March 16, 2012, 01:07 am
If you deal out of the house, LE probably already has a suspicion that you do.
If you deal out of the house and by mail rarely, tying the mail to you is pretty unlikely.
If you mail 1 or more packages 2-3 times a week I'd suggest not going in a pattern where the center of the pattern is where you are.

If they can narrow down a good idea of where you are by where you are dropping packages from. Like going in a constant 15 mile radius around your house is pretty easy to take a guess that you are in the center. Talk to the local LE, get an idea of who they have any Intel on, put surveillance on them. Start buying products off SR to random areas, eventually a pattern will likely show up definitive enough to give it away.

Given the above is quite a bit of work, but we've seen some pretty heroic efforts before for some really stupid busts. IMHO if you deal by mail, stay away from ever selling anything IRL.

Don't sell IRL, great point!  This is a fantastic point.

One question: you said start buying off SR  to random areas - what do you mean by that?