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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: davidthegnome on April 09, 2013, 05:35 pm
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I am looking for good advice on how to be a better trip sitter.
I've found several techniques scouring some websites but I wanted to get some feed back here as well.
I would like to compile a list of Anti-Psychotic meds to have on hand when trip sitting.
Plus any techniques to calm or sedate someone wouldn't hurt.
e.g. What drugs counter other drugs etc etc..
So any info on drugs or methods of bringing people back to baseline is most welcome.
I am relatively new to this subject and want to learn more :D
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Bumpin...
Nobody has got nothing?
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That's commendable of you, I'm sorry I can't be more help. I'd be happy to have a friend who went this out-of-their way to be a good trip sitter.
I would think having some weed on hand for the first response, can help calm / uplift someone tripping.
As for anti-psychotics, I'd suggest just poking around the forums for how to help a bad trip.
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I am looking for good advice on how to be a better trip sitter.
I've found several techniques scouring some websites but I wanted to get some feed back here as well.
I would like to compile a list of Anti-Psychotic meds to have on hand when trip sitting.
Plus any techniques to calm or sedate someone wouldn't hurt.
e.g. What drugs counter other drugs etc etc..
So any info on drugs or methods of bringing people back to baseline is most welcome.
I am relatively new to this subject and want to learn more :D
I suggest Xanax for most troubles in terms of counter acting panic etc, under the tongue is bitter but fast acting but you should have it already scaled so its ready to go, also helps to know if they are a light weight when it comes to benzos so you know how much you will need.
Other things I've learned is if they seem confused that asking them questions or staring at them doesn't help (probably obvious hehe).
Going over things before doing the drugs is useful and calming, they should feel more confident knowing you are there, have Xanax, can get water or puke bowl, deal with them being "weird" etc
Very nice of you to offer your help, good people are hard to find. I'm sure many other things will pop into my head but I thought I'd offer a bit I've learned.
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I am looking for good advice on how to be a better trip sitter.
I've found several techniques scouring some websites but I wanted to get some feed back here as well.
I would like to compile a list of Anti-Psychotic meds to have on hand when trip sitting.
Plus any techniques to calm or sedate someone wouldn't hurt.
e.g. What drugs counter other drugs etc etc..
So any info on drugs or methods of bringing people back to baseline is most welcome.
I am relatively new to this subject and want to learn more :D
I suggest Xanax for most troubles in terms of counter acting panic etc, under the tongue is bitter but fast acting but you should have it already scaled so its ready to go, also helps to know if they are a light weight when it comes to benzos so you know how much you will need.
Other things I've learned is if they seem confused that asking them questions or staring at them doesn't help (probably obvious hehe).
Going over things before doing the drugs is useful and calming, they should feel more confident knowing you are there, have Xanax, can get water or puke bowl, deal with them being "weird" etc
Very nice of you to offer your help, good people are hard to find. I'm sure many other things will pop into my head but I thought I'd offer a bit I've learned.
Xanax is the best when it comes to a bad trip. It can get someone pretty much back to baseline. It's fast acting and has a short half life, great for getting out of a shitty trip.
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I find that if they are in a very good mood at the time of intake, there's less chance of anxiety/panic.
Like everyone said, benzos are the way to go.
One time when I did 25i and was having a really bad trip, my friend helped me a lot by having me take a warm shower then watch a movie. But that's a different drug and I'm a different person so... :o
Karma to you for being a good friend though! (well eventually, I can't give karma points yet lol)
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The goal of the trip sitter should be to influence the tripping person and help but only when needed. Just a little push into the right direction.
Sedatives should be a last resort and if you need them your not really a good sitter!
What you need is to create an environment for the tripper that is peaceful and problem free.
If the tripper encounters a problem inside himself he should be reminded that this is only the effect of a drug. It will pass and all this is in the mind. A hug or other kind of physical contact should work better than sedatives. In egoless situations sometimes all the tripper needs is a reminder that he is not alone!
The tripper will pick up any unfriendly vibes coming your way so you need to be honest. Honest about your fears and your lack of experience. If you are not, the tripper will get confused maybe even misinterpret your body language and this could lead to disasters.
What i recommend is that you trip a day or two before your friend does. Even a tiny treshold dose will do. This is to get on the level of your friend. So communication is more flawless and comfortable.
A trip sitter in the afterglow of the chemical is the best trip sitter ever.
Talk with your friend, sober. Before tripping. Look him in the eye. Tell him everything he needs to know about you. Tell him your honest story so he will have a good picture of you. Lots of time the paranoia of the other is a wrecker. He needs to know everything. your sexuality, your goal in life, your religious views. everything!
Be Happy. don't do it if you are depressed. Its going to hurt both of you.
try to have fun with him, make him talk about what he sees, read him poetry, change the music if needed, bring him water, food, show him trippy pictures, draw with him, play musical instruments...
anything that is fun should be involved in a trip!!
That is the goal.
Make It Fun!
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Thanks road family! I appreciate the responses.
I like that there is both practical advice as well as advice on which meds to administer.
I have been on a quest to round off my experience with dealing with these type of issues.
Been trying to do things correctly and wisely. I learned a lot of hard lessons in my youth due to lack of discipline and I have been doing things differently on the rebound.
I think I may post my findings once I feel like I have a decent amount of info on this subject.
On other forums I have seen Valium as a good option for bringing you back closer to baseline. And a natural alternative Valerian as well. But as I said before I hope to post specifics once I've done my research.
Thanks again for the responses :D
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read this... better yet, get a physical copy: http://deoxy.org/psyexp.htm
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Sedatives should be a last resort and if you need them your not really a good sitter!
Why would that be?
If someone is having a bad trip i'd say sedatives would be the medication of choice really.
Sedatives like alprazolam, and in extreme cases, haldol are very effective. If you administer them to someome you should monitor their vitals for some time obviously, but that does not mean they are inherently dangerous in all situations.
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For bad trips, a change in scenery can go a long way. Take a walk, encourage some artistic activity (have some playdough or other medium on hand), try a bath/shower, etc. This is especially helpful during loops!
Be especially aware at your own reaction and tone of voice. A worried look is enough for a nasty crash. Practice your smiles and mantras in the mirror.
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Sedatives should be a last resort and if you need them your not really a good sitter!
Why would that be?
I guess I'm a purist.
I think the whole point of the sitter is to ensure that you have a good trip. If you cant do this you have failed.
Sedatives are very handy but they destroy the psychedelic experience.
The trip should be finished, even if its going bad. The end of the journey is just as important as the plateau.
People can learn very valuable lessons from bad trips.
If its going really bad I would
- ensure that the tripper cant do harm to himself or his surroundings
- I would try to calm him, try to make him realize the illusion.
- change the incoming signals (like music)
- try to get his attention (read him stories from books, tell him to talk about it)
- physical contact
etc
We got a lot of possibilities. Short term memory is very fucked when you are tripping. use this to your advantage. Lots of ways to influence the flow.
But on second thought...
You should keep sedatives around. Just in case. Just the presence of a sedative could tip the trip into a better vibe. It gives a feeling of safety.
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A number of good pieces of advice here which I'll second:
- Know your ward and let him/her know you; ensure there are no negative feelings
- Secure a safe environment with no surprises
- Be conscious of your cues - you can scare them with concern
- You're the safety net, not a trip guide - hands off till needed
That said, I would add:
- It may be difficult to know when you're needed, so check in.
- No practical jokes. It shouldn't need to be said but I'm saying it.
- Ideally, have experience with the drug(s) your ward is going to use. This can help immeasurably, and will also help establish trust between you two.
- Talk through any of your ward's concerns before the trip. Ensure they're not scared but making themselves go through with it.
- Be a gnome! How cool would that be? I see you have this covered.
I agree that you can learn a lot from a dark trip, but if the person is expecting to work through difficulties, I would hope these would come up in your pre-trip conversation. Because otherwise you can't know if your ward is getting worked up about things that are in actuality perfectly ok.
Good on you for doing this, and moreover, for taking it seriously.
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I am looking for good advice on how to be a better trip sitter.
I've found several techniques scouring some websites but I wanted to get some feed back here as well.
I would like to compile a list of Anti-Psychotic meds to have on hand when trip sitting.
Plus any techniques to calm or sedate someone wouldn't hurt.
e.g. What drugs counter other drugs etc etc..
So any info on drugs or methods of bringing people back to baseline is most welcome.
I am relatively new to this subject and want to learn more :D
The best drug by far for a bad trip is MIRTAZAPINE. it is a TCA that will not only reduce anxiety and make you tired but will actually strip classic psychedelics off the receptors they are binded to which stops the visuals and mental trip. I have no experience with using it to stop NBOMe series or the 2c-x series but i dont see why it would not work. do not take it within a few days of using DXM, MDMA, MDA, MDAI, ect as it may cause serotonin syndrome
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The excellent psychedelic crisis FAQ by Erowid:
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/psychedelic_crisis_faq.shtml
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Relaxation/Meditation music and a gentle massage will steer almost everyone into the right direction. And the one thing that has to be a given and is mentioned over and over again when it comes to tripping, (mind)set and setting (environment). If that's right, the chance of a bad trip is eliminated by a high percentage.
Hope that helps.