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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: Evanescence on January 30, 2012, 04:56 pm

Title: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: Evanescence on January 30, 2012, 04:56 pm
The hoops you have to jump through to actually get productive on SR are enough that I really wonder what is the % of people who come here vs. would come here if they had a clue and skill to do so.

No disrespect intended so please no one feel that.

Just wonder how do you know the barrier to entry is at the right level?  For example which is correct:
  a)  It's too hard to use SR, it should be made easier
  b)  The effort/knowledge required is exactly what it should be
  c)  It's too easy to use SR.  Users should be required to write FORTRAN code each time they use it to make sure every douche doesn't over run the place.

Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: TalkingHead on January 30, 2012, 05:06 pm
B, for sure. This is not Amazon.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: spacewasp on January 30, 2012, 05:25 pm
B

if you can't figure out how to get set up here you're either lazy or illiterate.  learn to read and set up your shit or go fuck yourself, I say
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: FreeLife1 on January 30, 2012, 05:33 pm
B.
Good job thinking up this thread.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: MagicMan on January 30, 2012, 07:39 pm
I'm gonna go with B as well, it's complicated enough to keep the scrubs out but simple enough for any determined high school-educated individual to access the meds (s)he needs.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: ProudCannabian on January 30, 2012, 07:52 pm
B... If you can't figure this out, you're going to get your ass into trouble sooner or later.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: kuwahara on January 30, 2012, 08:22 pm
Totally B.

make it easy and it would be a useless place more prone to scamming, poor quality and so on.

It isn't even that difficult.  I am new, read some stuff and had my gear through the post in no time.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: wowzers on January 30, 2012, 08:36 pm
B/C- a bit of elitism keeps out the scuzzier elements, eventually there'll be an influx of them but by that time my drug box will be nicely stocked :P
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: Christy Nugs on January 30, 2012, 08:39 pm
I say c
Fortran is great and everyone should be forced to carry around a room size computer and a giant roll of perforated
paper tape

:P
If A > C go to line 120
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: Silpheed on January 30, 2012, 09:50 pm
Yeah there's a big learning curve, but someone could make some really nice and clear infographic about how to use the place, full of "best practices." Distill it down to the essence.

I'm sure vendors would appreciate more buyers. Although the current ratio of vendors to users is about 1:555.

However, the problem is in determining how many of a vendor's past transactions were from shills. What is stopping any given vendor from registering tons of buyer accounts and buying crap from himself? How does any other buyer know that feedback is from a real, unique person?
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: Holly on January 30, 2012, 09:53 pm
I think we should switch SR to invite only.... with one allowable invite after X successful transactions.  (Not that digital download shit that scammer's are buying)
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: doublemint on January 30, 2012, 10:54 pm
The hoops you have to jump through to actually get productive on SR are enough that I really wonder what is the % of people who come here vs. would come here if they had a clue and skill to do so.

No disrespect intended so please no one feel that.

Just wonder how do you know the barrier to entry is at the right level?  For example which is correct:
  a)  It's too hard to use SR, it should be made easier
  b)  The effort/knowledge required is exactly what it should be
  c)  It's too easy to use SR.  Users should be required to write FORTRAN code each time they use it to make sure every douche doesn't over run the place.
>>too hard to use SR
>>too easy to use SR

Oh okay.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: oso on January 30, 2012, 11:03 pm
So you want an easy to use Drug portal? Good Luck.

The easier it is to use the more high school/dipshits/LE are going to be on.

One great reason why I like the difficulty in entering this place(which isnt that hard) is because it thwarts certain people from using it.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: v01d on January 31, 2012, 01:02 am
B.
If things become too easy it isnt treated with the respect it should be. People will become too lax and not bother with learning how to protect themselves.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: FiveSeven on January 31, 2012, 03:31 am
B. It's good that there's a bit of a barrier to entry, it helps keep the heat down. Besides, it's really not that hard to get started. I mean, at the bare minimum it's;

Download TOR
Get onto SR and make an account
Choose a product from a reliable/trustworthy seller, encrypt your address, pay with your bitcoins
Wait for drugs
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: Kraakpiep on January 31, 2012, 09:51 am
Well, I have to go with B.
SR is not that hard to learn if you put some time in it.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: Horizons on January 31, 2012, 01:46 pm
I'll go with B. I actually think this place should be a bit harder to find, though not necessarily harder to use - just to keep the casuals, high schoolers and trolls away. But of course, that ship has sailed long ago, what with the Gawker articles and all that. Even Wikipedia has direct links to SR, the forum and the wiki.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: gaia on January 31, 2012, 02:30 pm
Yep, B it is. It's taken me some time to be confident around here, and I've worked in IT for years! It may well be linked heavily now, but I still think it will put off any casuals. Which is a good thing.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: Dongodoo on January 31, 2012, 02:34 pm
 I'll go with B, I'm a self taught type, anything that's too easy has a big hook in it somewhere down the line
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: cacoethes on January 31, 2012, 04:04 pm
Gonna go with B...

This allows the bar to be set high enough that it screens out the dumbest of the dumb, and low enough that I won't be the dumbest one here.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: shroomsmoreawesome on January 31, 2012, 06:16 pm
D). Users should be required to write Assembly code to access SR. Fortran is for pussies.

 ;)
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: outflow on January 31, 2012, 06:53 pm
has to be B, if it was to easy the place would be mayhem. i think reading up on all the info about the site makes you use it more carefully, and appreciate it more.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: lolwut101 on January 31, 2012, 06:54 pm
B with a hint of C. But mostly B.
The invite only option intrigues me, but I know that if it was invite only I would never have been able to get on.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: Christy Nugs on January 31, 2012, 09:29 pm
D). Users should be required to write Assembly code to access SR. Fortran is for pussies.

 ;)


roflmfao  :P
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: 46&2 on February 01, 2012, 12:49 am
it is set up for c, y and a.

cover
your
ass

when i first accessed the site it was like i was a kid in a candy store.
all the steps needed for this kind of business to work, is worth the small effort that it takes to do it.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: jerryskid on February 01, 2012, 02:27 am
B/C. and i do not think SR should go to invite only. i do think new buyers should have guide lines to prevent ripping off the vendors though.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: Aoth14 on February 01, 2012, 04:01 am
C, by a bit.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: Silpheed on February 02, 2012, 09:46 am
The hoops you have to jump through to actually get productive on SR are enough that I really wonder what is the % of people who come here vs. would come here if they had a clue and skill to do so.

No disrespect intended so please no one feel that.

Just wonder how do you know the barrier to entry is at the right level?  For example which is correct:
  a)  It's too hard to use SR, it should be made easier
  b)  The effort/knowledge required is exactly what it should be
  c)  It's too easy to use SR.  Users should be required to write FORTRAN code each time they use it to make sure every douche doesn't over run the place.
>>too hard to use SR
>>too easy to use SR

Oh okay.

You must have missed this part:

Quote
Just wonder how do you know the barrier to entry is at the right level?  For example which is correct:

It's a question.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: Silpheed on February 02, 2012, 09:58 am
The barrier to entry for shill buyers is as easy as entering a username and password. So you can't trust that vendor feedback is legitimate.

The barrier to entry for vendors is higher, it requires $150 and some knowhow, but any scammer could use those easily obtained shill buyer accounts to prop themselves or their associates up. You can't have a reliable web of trust when it's difficult or impossible to tell if two accounts are the same person or not.

And there's really no incentive for the site to stop scammers, since the site gets a cut of every transaction. A transaction where a buyer is scammed out of $100 is worth as much to the site as a transaction where a buyer actually receives their $100 worth of goods.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: telperion on February 03, 2012, 04:25 am
I think Smalltalk would be the way to go vs. Fortran.  No really.  B for sure.  It should be more than a trip to the ATM machine to operate in a totally free/anonymous market such as SR, come on now.....

Telperion
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: Oldtoker on February 03, 2012, 03:52 pm
I say B.  You really want to filter out as much of the riff raff as possible.  Make it too easy and every scammer in the world is going to be on here.  Too difficult and no business is going to get done. 
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: Sparetale on February 03, 2012, 04:13 pm
B applies for this initial level of access to this type of self-medicating banquet of medicinals.

There is always the next level up cultures that evolve and develop from this level, which comes down to personal choices while we do biz... and develop ongoing relationships and networks.

It is my observation that it actually gets easier do biz as you establish your relationships and nature does what it must. The tools are all here...
-S-
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: E=daveC² on February 03, 2012, 07:08 pm
The worst part is getting the damn btc. I had to do a little reading to understand how to encrypt and decrypt messages. Tor you just download and it's ready to go.
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: jpisbetterthanme on February 04, 2012, 06:31 am
The worst part is getting the damn btc. I had to do a little reading to understand how to encrypt and decrypt messages. Tor you just download and it's ready to go.



+20000 @ this. How am I supposed to impulsively buy addictive narcotics if it takes several days to move the money around?! This is why I just have all my money in my SR account; rather than withdrawing money to put in SR, I withdraw money FROM SR for other things like bills, food, and IRL addictive narcotics.


As far as your vote, I choose !!A!! because !!MATH IS HARD!! and !!I DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ!!




And now for some inappropriate affect::      :-[
Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: demetri on February 04, 2012, 01:50 pm
The hoops you have to jump through to actually get productive on SR are enough that I really wonder what is the % of people who come here vs. would come here if they had a clue and skill to do so.

No disrespect intended so please no one feel that.

Just wonder how do you know the barrier to entry is at the right level?  For example which is correct:
  a)  It's too hard to use SR, it should be made easier
  b)  The effort/knowledge required is exactly what it should be
  c)  It's too easy to use SR.  Users should be required to write FORTRAN code each time they use it to make sure every douche doesn't over run the place.

I understand your frustrations and I must admit, when i first heard about SR (which was only by chance and research) I found it a fairly difficult underground marketplace to access which required quite some technical know-how in using TOR and understanding bitcoins.  I expect this automatically alienates a lot of potential users and keeps the marketplace much smaller than it would otherwise be. However that may not be a bad thing. If SR gets too well known and too popular, it's bound to attract more attention from LE and probably serious efforts by them to infiltrate the marketplace. The biggest fear is some LE pose as sellers and bust a load of unsuspecting buyers. I think that is a real danger and it would shake the confidence of the marketplace and severely restrict the number of vendors buyers would be willing to deal with.

I think SR has it about right at present for buyers... I don't know what checks they carry out on sellers, but perhaps this needs to be more thorough or clever, to make sure LE don't setup as honey pot vendors and trap buyers.
 
SR will spread by word of mouth and those buyers who are technophobes or can't understand TOR/bitcoins can always learn from a friend if they can't access the forum.







Title: Re: My god this is a pain in the ass
Post by: yakyak on February 04, 2012, 02:50 pm
B leaning toward C. But it should be Perl instead of FORTRAN.