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Title: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: rustbucket41 on March 18, 2013, 10:32 pm
I'm curious what people's strategies are to discuss drugs with their peers? I'm not a big distributor or anything, I just don't want to ask my friends, "hey you want to come over and smoke some pot" when I have drugs arriving in my mail.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: HellInaHandBasket on March 18, 2013, 10:51 pm
The devil is in the details....

No need to be so specific in my opinion.. a simple " hey buddy whats doing. wanna come chill at mine?' will have much the same result but is nothing out of the ordinary.. just a mate asking a mate around to chill...

you have the right idea by being aware of the dangers and that even though you may not be doing anything serious doesn't mean that a fri3end isn't or whatever.. so kudos..

golden rule and the rule that will keep you free(ish) is never say anything via text/email or phone that you wouldn't be ok with being printed in the news paper... sure you will find there are times wires are crossed and it costs you a little time here or there but better than the shit load of time it could cost you if the wrong cop sets his targets on you...

Just cause I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.. they fucking are out to get EVERYONE... sure as my ass points to the ground

;-P
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: fredrics on March 18, 2013, 10:52 pm
If they are your friends, surely you can just straight up ask them. If not then you need to drop subtle hints for a while, they will eventually catch on and then they may ask to smoke with you themselves.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: mastereton on March 18, 2013, 10:56 pm
this is good info.
i assume the same rules apply to photos? I always get paranoid taking a pic of something on my phone, even it's just for myself and I don't plan on showing anyone.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: android465764E on March 18, 2013, 11:03 pm
this is good info.
i assume the same rules apply to photos? I always get paranoid taking a pic of something on my phone, even it's just for myself and I don't plan on showing anyone.


Why take the photo at all then? (Ō_o)

Look into a tag scrub app, removal of EXIF data etc. Photos contain data that can show where, when, and on what device the photo was taken.
And for the love of Lucifer, don't go posting pics of your weed/whatever on FB etc..  that's just asking for trouble.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: HellInaHandBasket on March 18, 2013, 11:12 pm
Hahhahahahahahaha

yeah Video and Phot evidence is fairly conclusive in the eyes of most people... and on your phone is like carring around a little box that has EVIDENCE written on the side and contains all the evidence a cop needs to justify releasing you of the burden of liberty and such..

"No your honour thats not me smoking a bong while insufflating coke and IV'ing meth in that picture... no that would be my evil twin bother.. his name? ummm Frank ... Charlie Frank.. "

but seriously yeah be so careful with that sort of stuff.. think GPS caching, meta data, reflections that reveal details about you etc etc.. and its a honey pot for the cops so they always go for peoples phones.. well down here they do anyway.. so the trafic stop can lead to the picture found on the phone which then leads to a search of your home and the tearing apart of the messages/numbers etc on your phone... all because you had a picture of the Mnt Everist of shards or whatever
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: hairmug on March 18, 2013, 11:18 pm
I'd probably avoid doing it at all--especially if you're selling or holding a lot. 

Otherwise, if it's just for personal use. Tell your friends in person. Then you can ask them online if they want to come over and chill or hang out.  They'll know.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: TorUser1549 on March 18, 2013, 11:20 pm
I good strategy is just telling your friends you don't feel good saying that so plainly on the phone and making up some codes for smoking weed.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: rustbucket41 on March 18, 2013, 11:21 pm
Ya, my current strategy is just for them to "come over for a few minutes" or "drop by and say hi". But it's difficult to find a way to say "sorry, I'm all out of pot until Tuesday" without actually saying it. I usually just say something to the effect of, "I've been super busy and haven't restocked on anything recently so I'm going grocery shopping soon" but the problem is that I'm not sure if they want to partake in ganja or one of the other substances I keep around. And I definitely never take any photos and I don't let anyone photograph me while ingesting illicit substances.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: Experienced Dreamer on March 19, 2013, 12:01 am
As far as your friends are concerned you are receiving an ordinary package.  I do not believe you should ever mention SR to anyone or that you even know about it.  Silk Road? What's that?  As for pictures, I believe imgur automatically cleans them of any data linking the picture to you.  Also, letting anyone know you keep lots of illegal substances, and where you keep them is to me, not a bright idea.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: midlandsmafia on March 19, 2013, 12:19 am
learn some slang..
I got the piff/dank - I have nice marijuana .
roll my yard lets bun a bighead -  come to my residence to smoke a fat joint of marijuana.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: tryin2makeIT on March 19, 2013, 12:37 am
piff!! thats that east coast shit son!
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: HellInaHandBasket on March 19, 2013, 12:44 am
Ya, my current strategy is just for them to "come over for a few minutes" or "drop by and say hi". But it's difficult to find a way to say "sorry, I'm all out of pot until Tuesday" without actually saying it. I usually just say something to the effect of, "I've been super busy and haven't restocked on anything recently so I'm going grocery shopping soon" but the problem is that I'm not sure if they want to partake in ganja or one of the other substances I keep around. And I definitely never take any photos and I don't let anyone photograph me while ingesting illicit substances.

what about...

"hey mate, yeah pop over whenever but I need to knock off some work in the garden (or ironing or whatever is fitting to the time of day/weather) so won't be very good company till after that's done. wanna just wait till I'm finished and I'll text ya?"

or something like that. the idea being ANYTHING that indicates a deviation from the norm is a safe bet to be an indication of no gear or waiting on resupply or whatever..

If the friend can't figure it out from there then they are a liability (idiot or arrogant either way) and maybe not the right person to trust your freedom with..

A good way to find things that can be used as a semi code type thing is to go through all your old text messages and see what comes up  regularly and with a variety of people and integrate it to the system.. the idea being that anything that deviates from your normal language and grammar etc will stand out but something that is in line with usual messages will just pass through as a normal message.

Hope this helps.

;-D
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: schmuckboy on March 19, 2013, 01:55 am
I recently made a text+ account specifically for drug related talks. I was actually thinking about this earlier today: If you use the tor phone app and make it run all internet activity through tor then wouldn't it be possible to text/call completely anonymously?
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: HellInaHandBasket on March 19, 2013, 02:06 am
Tor just isn't secure on phones from what I gather. Besides, by the very nature of the way they  connect into a tower there is just too many ways that LE could take advantage of this. Encryption is the safest way to communicate on anything but even these options have limitations... at the very heart is the human factor of picking a key for decryption and the common mistakes made by people at that level...

A dedicated Android running Linux/tails and tor with PGP ( achievable last I checked) would solve a lot of the issues I think but again its a gamble and the stakes are too rich for my blood...
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: ladyjane on March 19, 2013, 08:24 am
just talk about it in person or make up some code words. Even just a winking smiley face usually gets the message across
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: tramonym on March 19, 2013, 09:54 am
(1) be creative
(2) if that's not possible and leads to misunderstandings discuss offline and confirm code wordings
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: joddypunt on March 19, 2013, 10:33 am
Just don't do it. The govt listen to everything
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: hass on March 19, 2013, 10:38 am
If you're not selling I wouldn't be overly paranoid about it.. Just always wear your tin foil hat
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: skenadena on March 19, 2013, 11:32 am
Codewords, if you must. Otherwise I believe the best thing to do is not mention anything at all.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: joddypunt on March 19, 2013, 11:47 am
its a tough one
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: tramonym on March 19, 2013, 01:37 pm
wouldnt it be good to have some machine which translates speech into PGP and vice versa? ;)
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: djebz on March 20, 2013, 12:35 pm
Unless your a big time dealer, I don't think if someone really was listening on the other end they are going to do anything about it. They have much bigger fish to fry.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: HellInaHandBasket on March 20, 2013, 12:43 pm
Lol...

its available right now...

Dragon Naturally Speaking + Netbook or whatever with (two turn tables and ...) a microphone... where its at??

haha just kidding but seriously ignore the post from the dude above about  who said something along the lines of

'if your not selling... blah blah be loose selfish cunt'

these statements just confirm the long held belief that if you take any group within a population, regardless of the source of the people, you will have at least one dick who has no idea what they are talking about but still feel obligated (and entitled) to state whatever tard like advice they can dream up that sounds good.. there will be no care factor about how a simple, ill informed and poorly worded  off handed piece of "advise" can send someone right down the express lane to a shit life, your new one, in a cement and iron box...  and there are 2 reasons to file that (hopefully) mental retard's little pearl of wisdom under 'selfish arrogant asshole advise' and they are as follows;

1) I can say with absolute certainty and without any doubt at all that just because you don't sell or whatever DOESN'T (DOES NOT) mean the drug pigs won't scoop you up for the conviction etc for their quota and if you make it easy for them by being loose then really you kinda deserve the world of pain that is the reality of criminal charges and convictions and the unmistakable horror when you realize you have lost your FREEDOM.. let that sink in... you will not be free to do as you please... you will be essentially under the absolute command of some corrections officer... you know the fat idiot who failed at being a cop/soldier or whatever and is now paid to make your day  'ordered'  ...... I have said it before and a fellow forum member confirmed it (ex LEO.. seems like a good dude who gets the damage that's being done to our species through these draconian prohibition laws and their enforcement) The cops are funded and have jobs solely due to the stupid money that is tipped onto enforcement of the drug laws and most actually believe that by getting you and you 1/8th of weed will mean one less criminal on the streets and the community safer because of it... about on par with robbers and violent criminals  you are in their minds and if its a chemical you have when they nab you, well, your worse than a murderer  if thast chemical has lets say     10 odd carbon atoms with maybe 15 Hydrogen atoms and a  lazy Nitrogen atom (that's good ol meth btw.. well the chemical formula for it... C10H15N)  and fuck me you must be the reincarnate of Hitler...  ..  but the cops... really trust me here... They want you, they need you and give them any help and, as sure as my ass points to the ground, they will have you...

2) even if all of the above it rubbish spouted from the twisted mind of a person who has 20+ years of experience with buying, selling, making and enjoying illicit drugs and they never ever ever will come after you (usually they ring to tell you this right after you win Powerball and you realize your shitting rainbow sherbert that smells like candy floss... sometime its a day after you find a suitcase with unmarked, non sequential $100 bills in it and a day or two before you get your 'drug taker of the year' award from the commissioner of police... seriously though.. ) that's not a  reason to fuck your dealer, friends, associates etc by giving Intel to the po-po through loose talks on the phone... its takes a little bit of foresight but take the scenario where you just got your gear from your dude and you ring a mate to swing past yours to partake in the shenanigans... LE either has your guys comms under watch and by extension your number too or have been tipped by some fukwit 'citizen' that just happened to hear you say the words 'getting high' or whatever and so knows you must be involved in Outlaw MC clubs and the Russian Mafia just like all the naughty drug users are.. but you rang from your number when you called your old mate and they already have a clue about them and their 'associates' so they have everything they need to be able to legally intercept your comms too now and can even stretch you being a customer into you being a member of their syndicate whos on sells to a small group of customers.. .. never mind though you think... 'I'm just derp getting my smash on so what the fuck can they get from me.. haha the poor cunt assigned to my shit is going to die of boredom'... but  in the Mean-styles the snorts and sequels of excitement can be heard for miles as this little piggy goes to court to get a 'blow your house down' warrant on your dudes house cause they now have you on phone telling a mate 'come get a smah on me bro.. its dank shit too man... yeah I'll be back home in halfa so meet you there' and just like that you gave up your dude, enough cause to get a search warrant just because of the call to your dude and the call to your mate?? lol fuck loads man (we think 'helping a mate out and sharing costs on bulk to save but they see trafficker, distribution branch and so on).. those special DEA closed courts dedicated to these types of 'secret' intercept warrants and search and seize warrants just think that this all proves how brain dead the users are and makes the victory all the more sweet... and when you step back and see the situation as they see it unfolding (in a linear fashion from our perspective but from the external observer its a much larger multifaceted series of events and interactions that build the picture for them and tells them everything they need to know about who supplies who, what you like to partake in.. shit even what you had for breakfast...) you understand just how easy we make it for them sometimes

Saddest of all is that the 'part timers' and low level users are the ones trapped by this sort of shit cause the full timers  have seen the operations being run for 2+years to nab a weed and meth dealer who is really just a low level distributor who does it to support a habit and felt the weight of the 1200+ pages of text messages that are evidence (that's 1 phone number and one pair of people too btw.. totals can be a lot more than that and seen the 15 armed and angry cops as they invade a mates home.. at least the dogs (sniffer) where friendly(ish) so the 3 of them softened the hurt.. yeah right...

Itas not a 'game' as many say it is, its not a way of survival for the police like it is for us and one fuck up is all it takes to have your world flipped upside down and those demons on your shoulder every day and especially every time you see a blue uniform...  At least you will meet a diverse range of people from cvariedf ethnic groups in lock up.. taste the flavour of all the 5 continents and they will love you and your rainbow sherbet shit...

I'm only a dick with these sorts of posts cause I actually care about the freedoms of even the tards that take everything for granted and I hope that some sharp words and a forked tongue will get the point across with a little impact.. hopefully you will hate me but not be another victim of the war... Seriously think of me calling you a retarded, window licking muppet every time you think its ok to say anything on a phone and I pray it stops you having that moment of clear, terrifying realization... you are sitting with no shoe laces on, locked in a box smaller than some bird cages while staring at the cement roof ignoring, trying to, the keys giggling up and down the corridor attached to belt with the Tazer, spray, firearm, hand cuffs carried by the brain dead automiton who if not a cop would be under qualified working on a factory floor stamping boxes.. that dude OWNS you too now BTW... IQ <15 but clearly still smarter than one person in the room O_O=[*] (yup I'm looking at you Mr Iphone(d) my way to jail)..

:-D..


Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: subductionzone on March 20, 2013, 01:25 pm
lets bun a bighead

That's close to the funniest thing I've ever heard. Consider possible alternative meanings... don't mind me, just spammin...
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: ruby123 on March 20, 2013, 08:44 pm
Pre-paid burner phone, texts are bad news and are stored by Phone companies and on your phone.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: blowmanthesnowman on March 21, 2013, 12:05 am
Don't text incriminating shit what ever you do. Wire taps happen so rarely talking is not as big as a deal unless the person you're talking to is trying to set you up, either way you're probably going to be fucked IMO. With texts though your friend could loose his phone and then whatever is stored in it is at the mercy of them. Also, texts can be read of in court.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: strangeman on March 21, 2013, 12:12 pm
I think the best policy if you have even the slightest reason to think you're being monitored is to use burner phones to arrange face-to-face meetings and never send an unencrypted e-mail or text. Be vague and say as little as possible. Never refer directly to drugs. Even if you don't think anybody is listening, you still shouldn't talk directly about illegal activity. Just use your tone of voice to imply what you mean.

Also, code words are only useful for fooling parents, teachers, American voters and other people who don't really listen in the first place. Any moron can figure out what you're talking about regardless of how creative you are if they already know what they're looking for. And code words do not give you any plausible deniability in court, they just make you look like a criminal.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: zokas on March 21, 2013, 12:51 pm
Simply, if you want to buy for example one dosage, just call your dealer and say You will bring one bottle of beer.  8)  :'(  >:(
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: hopoffporfavor on March 21, 2013, 01:23 pm
My friend and I call it "watching the lord of the rings"

Him: "Hey man, you down to watch lord of the rings tonight?"

Me: "Yeah man, Ill be there in ten, I just gotta roll this marijuana blunt"
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: android465764E on March 22, 2013, 12:16 pm
My friend and I call it "watching the lord of the rings"

Him: "Hey man, you down to watch lord of the rings tonight?"

Me: "Yeah man, Ill be there in ten, I just gotta roll this marijuana blunt"


★★★★★ +1 ⇧
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: HellInaHandBasket on March 23, 2013, 03:54 pm
My friend and I call it "watching the lord of the rings"

Him: "Hey man, you down to watch lord of the rings tonight?"

Me: "Yeah man, Ill be there in ten, I just gotta roll this marijuana blunt"


hahahahaha

yup that is the winner..

Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: 10ofspades on March 23, 2013, 05:11 pm
I used to refer to drugs as people, weed being Mary, LSD being Lucy, that sort of thing. Problem was when we were discussing buying and selling and so it looked like we were trafficking women.  ;D

Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: DinoScripter on March 23, 2013, 06:27 pm
encryption (email)
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: SRSuperfly on March 24, 2013, 11:19 pm
prepaid android phone with redphone installed.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: jentyb on March 24, 2013, 11:58 pm
All my friends smoke but i never tell a soul where or how i get my bud...
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: Surgurn on March 25, 2013, 12:08 am
I just say common shit like, "Hey dude, let's get some pizza. Hit me up." It's a custom all my friends have taken in. If we ever actually want to go get pizza we just state a specific place. It's worked flawlessly. Not even my strict Mormon parents caught on during my teenage years.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: SRSuperfly on March 25, 2013, 12:28 am
Sometimes when i cant connect by phone ill get on the telegraph and tap out my message
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: toizh on March 25, 2013, 02:51 am
Lots of unnecessary phone paranoia going on here.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: HellInaHandBasket on March 25, 2013, 04:20 am
Lots of unnecessary phone paranoia going on here.


And lots of talking out the ass right there so....

get a fucking clue friend and understand that regardless of the situation for you in your country or whatever there are others that live a reality that includes jail for simple possession of weed...

seriously.. get the posts up some other way but also understand that if any kid out there reads your post and disregards the sound advice given here and then gets caught out and has to suffer the consequences then their fate, blood if you like, will be on your head..

the worst kind of drug user is an ignorant one filled with apathy.. just a thought but  I have never known a mid to high level dealer to say 'that dude is too careful what a looser' but I have heard the opposite many times 'that dude is a loose cannon and is becoming a danger to my setup' is followed by a sudden holiday or need to move state for work.. the low level ones that do say shit like that only do so for a short time though.. after all in prison there is an acute awareness of the required caution in any of life's ventures.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: Obnubilate on March 25, 2013, 04:42 am
There are many secure ways to communicate over the phone with your friends.

Firstly, landlines can be tapped very easily. There are two wires, the ring and the tip, that anyone with a redbox can hook up to the side of your house, and listen in on your calls. (Even make phone calls.)

This is why I use my Apple iPhone 5s.
It uses ROT-13 encryption when connecting to the cellular tower.
Now since the FBI can monitor cell towers, I like to go in public places like malls and such.
There is safety in numbers, remember? The feds will have a really really hard time tracking down so many people.
And I just talk.
"Yo WAZZUP mai Nigga', you wanna slam some eitch?"
I talk like every other black man in my all white-rich people mall.
Reason for this, I'm white. Not black. Nobody will ever suspect me.
I also yell really loudly, nobody will ever believe me.

When friends actually come over, we do it in the dumpster behind the local police station.
They NEVER check there. EVER.
Who would be sutpid enough to shoot up eitch behind a police station?

Anyways, I've never been caught, and I am relatively safe, If I do say so myself.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: jackofspades on March 25, 2013, 05:45 am
it may seem stupid but if youre serious and just want to take every precaution,

bring in your guys who you would normally be texting this sensitive info to
and just strait up tell them you need to devise a
way of efficiently communicating via phone.

like that scene in "Casino" 1995 (Pesci and Deniro) where they talk code
its pretty cool
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: newbottles on March 26, 2013, 11:56 pm
Always assume unencrypted email or SMS is being or will be read by the state.  It is the only rational approach.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: rickyrick on March 26, 2013, 11:57 pm
pig latin?
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: rickyrick on March 26, 2013, 11:58 pm
Always assume unencrypted email or SMS is being or will be read by the state.  It is the only rational approach.

this.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: tryin2makeIT on April 03, 2013, 01:05 am
what you got workin?? you good etc code words homeboy
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: bionik on April 03, 2013, 01:12 am
wouldnt suggest to discus drugs over the phone i was busted once ONLY because i was discussing drugs over the phone and i did use
slang and everyth but when they bust you ,it will not help ,just dont discuss them over the phone not  a good idea
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: Spitknuckle on April 03, 2013, 01:19 am
I've always been a fan of codewords. "Candy" [LSD], "gardening" [pot], "Mario" [shrooms], any phrase that you and your friends can agree upon beforehand. You can never be too careful, especially in the States.

I'd highly recommend making plans in person beforehand, though, instead of using the phone or email.
Title: Re: how to discretely discuss drugs over phone/email
Post by: Kinetic on April 03, 2013, 02:49 am
Slang is going to fool LE for long if you and all your friends are using the same words.

I wouldn't talk about drugs in any way over text/phone, and PGP encrypt any mail + use anonymous mail services.