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Title: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: joywind on March 22, 2012, 07:19 am
The only illicit drugs I've done are LSD, MDMA, amphetamine, and marijuana.   I don't like marijuana (I think it makes me less intelligent, even if only temporarily), and due to the neurotoxicity of MDMA, and the quick tolerance build up of LSD, I can't do these drugs every day of the week - otherwise I would.  I need a drug, preferably a psychedelic or a stimulant, that I can safely do at least once every day.

What illicit drugs do you feel safe and comfortable with consuming every day of the week? What illicit drugs have no serious adverse long-term physical side effects?
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: raven92 on March 22, 2012, 07:31 am
I'm not really sure anything is safe to do everyday if you want no long term side effects. Marijuana is probably one of the safest drugs there is. Some amphetamines can be relatively safe in moderation, but they do cause cardiac stress.

"To go beyond the bounds of moderation is to outrage humanity. The greatness of the human soul is shown by knowing how to keep within proper bounds. So far from greatness consisting in going beyond its limits, it really consists in keeping within it."
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: TheHiddenMan on March 22, 2012, 09:28 am
One word, Modafinil
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: markwest on March 22, 2012, 10:07 am
a question that bears asking...  why would you want to be perpetually high?
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: Raoul Duke on March 22, 2012, 10:18 am
a question that bears asking...  why would you want to be perpetually high?

good point - i used to be stoned all day every day when i tried quitting smoking cigs, just replaced it with pot, but after a coupla months i got bored of it
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: Tagore on March 22, 2012, 10:48 am
Well, I would say it depends on what exactly you are trying to achieve, and what you consider 'safe'.

I once experimented with low doses of 2c-e over an eight month period with very good results... There is almost no tolerance effect that I noticed, even with consecutive low doses over one-week periods. But still, this is a research chemical and as with most RCs there is little actually known in terms of processes or long-term effects. Use at your own risk, etc.

But "feel safe and comfortable with consuming every day of the week": Pretty much narrows it down to weed and chocolate for me.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: no_pain on March 22, 2012, 12:06 pm
we have to split this question.

1. what drug can I do every day without  dieing or serious harm.

 ... there should be some but I dont care.

2. Can I get high the whole time 24/7 just full of joy and greatness? 
 
 ... well here is the problem. and a simple answer. NO! Your brain does not work like that. It will adjust it self and you WILL end in depression and helplessness.

Sorry to take an illusion from you.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: Damod78 on March 22, 2012, 01:42 pm
well come up with a list of drugs you wouldn't take everyday and go from there. 

heroin
coke
meth
lsd
dmt
mdma

basically leaves weed and a few less powerful stims to do safely daily without much risks.

im experimenting with 4-fa and seems to have some potential as a daily stim.  will also be receiving 2-DPMP soon which is said to have a half-life of 8-10 hours.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: Tynkk on March 22, 2012, 04:38 pm
Honestly? I wouldn't even look for something I could use everyday.  For most things your tolerance will build and you'll stop feeling it anyway, and I'd imagine the novelty of the feeling would wear off pretty quick.  Plus you'd be in for a long, sad ride if/when your body decides it wants it and you don't want to take anymore. 
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: mju7 on March 22, 2012, 09:53 pm
Ketamine. Can't think of any others.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: InfiniteRegress on March 22, 2012, 10:00 pm
I've taken Tramadol almost every day for the past three years. Mostly just one 50mg pill, but occasionally I will take two or three. It doesn't really get you all that high (at least not any more for me, unless I take a few), but it will take away a hangover quickly, which is basically why I take it.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: tordemon on March 22, 2012, 10:28 pm
Ketamine. Can't think of any others.
Ketamine DEFINITELY causes serious liver damage in chronic users. I was under the impression that it was one of the least safe drugs once you got addicted to it precisely due to the hepatoxicity.

But, seriously, no drug will be safe on a daily basis. They aren't even safe on a single-use basis. That's just not how fucking around with your neurotransmitters works.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: opi on March 22, 2012, 10:47 pm
I've taken Tramadol almost every day for the past three years. Mostly just one 50mg pill, but occasionally I will take two or three. It doesn't really get you all that high (at least not any more for me, unless I take a few), but it will take away a hangover quickly, which is basically why I take it.

dude tramadol withdrawals are worse than heroin.. they have anti-depressant qualities (i think ssri's or something like that)

basically you will have withdrawals of opiates, plus anti-depressant withdrawals  which is 100x worse than just opiate withdrwals by them selves.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: radioheadfan5 on March 22, 2012, 11:34 pm
Opi is totally right here, and take benzos off your list too. I decided a few years ago to detox from Ativan and Zoloft, both of which I had been taking daily (prescribed) for over 6 years. While opiate withdrawal truly does suck (from what I've read...I've never been truly physically addicted), they only last about a week. SSRI and benzo withdrawals last MONTHS, and even now a few years later I still feel the "brain zaps" sometimes. My serotonin levels are likely permanently fucked up. Long story short, don't get a tramadol habit. It will be an incredible bitch to withdraw from.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: joywind on March 22, 2012, 11:36 pm
no drug will be safe on a daily basis.
There are drugs that you can safely ingest on a daily basis without any adverse long-term physical side-effects. LSD, for instance, is physiologically non-toxic. The problem is that you build up tolerance to it so quickly that it won't have any noticeable effect if you do it every day, unless you constantly increase the dosage. But it can safely be done. (Caffeine and alcohol can also be safely taken every day, depending on dosage, but I am talking specifically about illicit drugs.)
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: jochem on March 22, 2012, 11:42 pm
Nitrous. Don't overdo it, though. You'll get a headache and in the long run a b12 deficiency (taking b12 supplements would probably help).
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: InfiniteRegress on March 22, 2012, 11:57 pm
I've taken Tramadol almost every day for the past three years. Mostly just one 50mg pill, but occasionally I will take two or three. It doesn't really get you all that high (at least not any more for me, unless I take a few), but it will take away a hangover quickly, which is basically why I take it.

dude tramadol withdrawals are worse than heroin.. they have anti-depressant qualities (i think ssri's or something like that)

basically you will have withdrawals of opiates, plus anti-depressant withdrawals  which is 100x worse than just opiate withdrwals by them selves.

I have heard this before. Tramadol is a weird drug in that it affects people in different ways. For some people it does nothing, for others it's a nice buzz and for some it makes them sick. I don't know how long it would take to start withdrawing, but I have been without them for at least 7 days without feeling that bad. I mean, obviously I wanted more, but I wouldn't have described the feeling as anything like an opiate withdraw. Maybe I don't take enough (50mg a day for the most part)? Or maybe I just haven't been without them long enough? I don't know, but since they aren't very expensive at all, I'm not super worried. I'm more worried about the damage I am doing to my liver, since I take them to get rid of the hangover I have almost everyday from drinking too much the night before. And it works like a fucking charm every damn time.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: opi on March 23, 2012, 03:49 am
withdrawals start after about 4 days of constant heroin use..

I would imagine if you start taking them for more than a week you will start feeling withdrawal(wd) effects, when you wd you basically feel like you have a bad cold, constant runny nose, your stomachs all fucked up I mean REALLY REALLY REALLY badly, you sweat and shiver and your not cold or your cold and you can't stop sweating. There's also the EXTREME leg pains, I mean I start punching my legs just hoping it will hurt less from the wds. Oh I forgot if your a IV user you will be vomiting for who knows how long... Luckily I have never had that withdrawal symptom as I have never IV'd heroin.

this goes on for a bout 5 days.. 1st day is ok 2nd is bareable, 3rd day it starts to get better then 4th day you are in fucking hell you will do just about anyting to get another dose to get away from withdrawals day 5 you start to smell things again, the world looks like a better place, then the dark forsaken hell hole that you had spent the last couple days in...

Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: cosmos on March 23, 2012, 06:49 am
Why would you want to get addicted to a drug you've never even tried before?
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: mju7 on March 23, 2012, 06:08 pm
Ketamine. Can't think of any others.
Ketamine DEFINITELY causes serious liver damage in chronic users. I was under the impression that it was one of the least safe drugs once you got addicted to it precisely due to the hepatoxicity.

But, seriously, no drug will be safe on a daily basis. They aren't even safe on a single-use basis. That's just not how fucking around with your neurotransmitters works.
It does? Show me the studies. I have seen a lot of misinformation about Ketamine before.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: ProudCannabian on March 23, 2012, 07:17 pm
Weed/hash is likely the safest.
After a few months of constant ingestion your tolerance changes, and you don't get those "stupid" highs, you just feel tweaked.  I love hash, just for the reason that it energizes me and I can function while doing literally anything.
The only down side is expense and lack of the ability to get truly ripped.
I smoked this way for 14 years before I found this road and swallowed some fresh LSD.
I realized that my expensive smoking has been holding me back, and that I need to take care of my business for the sake of my kids and wife.  I was smoking around $200 worth of product a week.  Before last year, that was about half my monthly earnings.

LSD could be taken every day... but the tolerance factor sets in so quickly the expense would quickly climb higher than the cost of most drugs.  Basically double the cost/dose every day.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: cerealbox on March 23, 2012, 09:34 pm
Nitrous. Don't overdo it, though. You'll get a headache and in the long run a b12 deficiency (taking b12 supplements would probably help).
You'll also get Olney's Lesions on your brain and fuck up your lungs.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: rise_against on March 23, 2012, 10:03 pm
good luck finding medicinal grade Nitrous. I thought tramadol wasn't even a controlled substance? I watched the Nat GEO episode on Ketamine and saw what daily usage did to that one guy's appearance and he basically had to piss out of a catheter for the rest of his life.  MXE is supposed to be safer, but that has yet to be proven.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: InfiniteRegress on March 23, 2012, 10:23 pm
good luck finding medicinal grade Nitrous. I thought tramadol wasn't even a controlled substance? I watched the Nat GEO episode on Ketamine and saw what daily usage did to that one guy's appearance and he basically had to piss out of a catheter for the rest of his life.  MXE is supposed to be safer, but that has yet to be proven.

Tramdol is not a controlled substance, correct. You do need a prescription, though. I used to buy them on the street, but I just moved recently, so now I get them from rorock (less than $1 a pill for 90, so it's way cheaper anyway).
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: risky2 on March 23, 2012, 10:33 pm
good luck finding medicinal grade Nitrous. I thought tramadol wasn't even a controlled substance? I watched the Nat GEO episode on Ketamine and saw what daily usage did to that one guy's appearance and he basically had to piss out of a catheter for the rest of his life.  MXE is supposed to be safer, but that has yet to be proven.

I saw that episode too, That guy had his bladder shredded from chronic K use, and what they did is basically reconstruct a new bladder for him from a cut out part of his intestines. Hairy stuff. But those Drugs Inc. series are kind of scare tactics for drug use. Some truth, and some exaggeration.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: jochem on March 23, 2012, 11:00 pm
You'll also get Olney's Lesions on your brain and fuck up your lungs.
Olney's Lesions are only seen in rat brains due to nitrous abuse, never in human brains. Also, you'll have to abuse it like crazy. 50 canisters a day over a course of a couple of months might cut it. If you take 3, 4 daily there is no problem. Don't know why it would fuck up your lungs. Don't take it directly out of the canister (will freeze your lungs), but from a balloon. The gas itself is harmless to human tissue.

good luck finding medicinal grade Nitrous.
Don't know if it's "medical grade", but it's certainly good enough for our food: whipped cream canisters. People take them all the time, no issues with it.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: sashashulgin on March 24, 2012, 05:39 am
DMT is the active component in ayahuasca which does not develop a tolerance, no physical dependence and has been used by some tribes in the amazon rain forest daily for generations. I wouldn't suggest it because the tribes entire daily routine revolves around the consumption of the sacred brew but meh... it's all about your own perspective on individual happiness right?
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: mju7 on March 24, 2012, 05:46 am
good luck finding medicinal grade Nitrous. I thought tramadol wasn't even a controlled substance? I watched the Nat GEO episode on Ketamine and saw what daily usage did to that one guy's appearance and he basically had to piss out of a catheter for the rest of his life.  MXE is supposed to be safer, but that has yet to be proven.
I saw that episode too, That guy had his bladder shredded from chronic K use, and what they did is basically reconstruct a new bladder for him from a cut out part of his intestines. Hairy stuff. But those Drugs Inc. series are kind of scare tactics for drug use. Some truth, and some exaggeration.
To actually get bladder damage from Ketamine you need to have a weak as fuck bladder to begin with, or you need to be on a very poor diet and keep yourself dehydrated the whole time. For normal people Ketamine bladder damage simply isn't a risk (depending on ROA).
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: Laughing Man on March 24, 2012, 06:05 am
good luck finding medicinal grade Nitrous. I thought tramadol wasn't even a controlled substance? I watched the Nat GEO episode on Ketamine and saw what daily usage did to that one guy's appearance and he basically had to piss out of a catheter for the rest of his life.  MXE is supposed to be safer, but that has yet to be proven.
You can get food grade nitrous very easily.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: risky2 on March 24, 2012, 06:41 am
good luck finding medicinal grade Nitrous. I thought tramadol wasn't even a controlled substance? I watched the Nat GEO episode on Ketamine and saw what daily usage did to that one guy's appearance and he basically had to piss out of a catheter for the rest of his life.  MXE is supposed to be safer, but that has yet to be proven.
I saw that episode too, That guy had his bladder shredded from chronic K use, and what they did is basically reconstruct a new bladder for him from a cut out part of his intestines. Hairy stuff. But those Drugs Inc. series are kind of scare tactics for drug use. Some truth, and some exaggeration.
To actually get bladder damage from Ketamine you need to have a weak as fuck bladder to begin with, or you need to be on a very poor diet and keep yourself dehydrated the whole time. For normal people Ketamine bladder damage simply isn't a risk (depending on ROA).

Yeah like I said the TV series Drugs Inc. is basically scare tactics propaganda. They take the worst case scenarios and make it seem like everyone who ever does Ketamine is going to have bad bladders.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: tordemon on March 24, 2012, 07:32 am
I feel like this was one of the least correct threads yet, unfortunately. =[
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: greencrayon on March 24, 2012, 06:03 pm
If you browse through the experience reports of Erowid you will find a ton of reports of bladder damage from Ketamine.

Here is a list of substances I would not expect to damage my health if used daily for a few months.

DMT
Salvia
Coca Leaves
Nitrous (a couple hits per day). Take b-vitamins if used excessively or longer term.
Cannabis
LSD (not that it would work)
Psilocin (not that it would work)
Kratom (if a light dose is used once per day. Not "illicit" in many places though)


Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: MailMaxDev on March 25, 2012, 01:20 am
I smoked cannabis for about a year daily and I noticed that it impaired my memory by a noticeable amount. After a while I stopped getting the munchies too and it became difficult to eat if I didn't smoke that day. You also lose out on some REM sleep. Cannabis is mostly harmless but daily use of ANY drug will lead to some problems eventually. Regarding LSD, if you trip everyday you're likely to lose out on a LOT of sleep and eventually develop severe HPPD.

I don't think you can take any drug daily without it altering your brain chemistry in one way or another. If you feel like you can't cope with day to day life without being high every day then maybe you should be getting professional help.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: lilith2u on March 25, 2012, 01:34 am
Wine&pot but not everyday. Thats boring and who wants to be an alcoholic?
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: shadowrundeusex on March 27, 2012, 05:19 pm
What about weekly? What are good drugs that are fairly safe to take once (maybe twice) a week without building a tolerance?
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: opi on March 27, 2012, 09:06 pm
opiates work if you can keep it under control.......
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: lilith2u on March 27, 2012, 11:25 pm
Nitrous. Don't overdo it, though. You'll get a headache and in the long run a b12 deficiency (taking b12 supplements would probably help).
You'll also get Olney's Lesions on your brain and fuck up your lungs.
Mmmm that sounds fun! This thread has made me want to quit my drug use........not:) Everything in moderation, have you seen all the people in 1st world countries how fat they are? Sugar now there's a drug!!!
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: marv on March 29, 2012, 12:10 am
There is no substance that you can take every day and avoid harm to your system.

You can drink water and eat meat and vegetables every day, that's about it. Everything else has to be moderated.

Weed every day will most certainly impair your cognitive abilities in the long-term. It's safer and more rewarding to indulge in a controlled fashion rather than becoming a chronic user.

We all have a beautiful, natural base-line that you can enjoy without using drugs. Dig deeper in your soberness before you will seek permanent escape.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: lilith2u on March 29, 2012, 04:19 am
But don't eat meat everyday or ever!
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: foxymeow on March 29, 2012, 04:21 am
no drug will be safe on a daily basis.
There are drugs that you can safely ingest on a daily basis without any adverse long-term physical side-effects. LSD, for instance, is physiologically non-toxic. The problem is that you build up tolerance to it so quickly that it won't have any noticeable effect if you do it every day, unless you constantly increase the dosage. But it can safely be done. (Caffeine and alcohol can also be safely taken every day, depending on dosage, but I am talking specifically about illicit drugs.)

There is a difference between physiologically safe and psychologically safe. Just because you aren't fucking up your body doesn't mean you aren't going to be one zapped out motherfucker after taking acid every day.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: jochem on March 29, 2012, 06:48 am
There is no substance that you can take every day and avoid harm to your system.

You can drink water and eat meat and vegetables every day, that's about it. Everything else has to be moderated.
Even your normal food intake needs to be moderated. In the right quantities everything is toxic (or: in the right quantities, nothing is toxic).

NO2 is not safe to do regularly, in fact, people who consider it a recreational drug never grew out of high school. I think the only drug that rustles my jimmies is NO2.
Oh, wow. Pretty condescending. I could make a nice snap at you for smoking weed all day, but that would be too easy.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: kmfkewm on March 29, 2012, 06:59 am
Ketamine. Can't think of any others.
Ketamine DEFINITELY causes serious liver damage in chronic users.

[citation needed]
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: kmfkewm on March 29, 2012, 07:04 am
Ketamine was used recreationally for decades, by some very heavy users at that, before any reports of bladder damage started to surface. It is far more likely that a by product of clandestine ketamine synthesis causes bladder damage, than ketamine actually causing it. Most ketamine is diverted from pharmacies, but at least some percentage of it is clandestinely manufactured. One friend had Chinese synthesized ketamine analyzed and it was only 80% pure, versus diverted pharmaceutical ketamine which is 99.99% pure unless it is cut.

Ketamine may cause bladder damage in a very small percentage of users with the recently reported cases being due to its increase in popularity, or it could be a by product of clandestinely synthesized batches, but when a drug has been used heavily for decades before the first reports of it causing bladder damage surface, it really must make you question things.
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: novocaine on March 29, 2012, 07:27 am
Its funny how we all think. I like it.

I think cannabis is the ugliest mother fucking drug known to man if you consume( your soul) it everyday.
Did I hear acid as an everyday drug?? LMAO goodluck

Coca leaves are nice, caffeine and alcohol(another sleeper, soul destroyer.. but I dont mind, Im happy when I drink)
Title: Re: Illicit drugs that can safely be done every day
Post by: mju7 on March 29, 2012, 09:07 am
Ketamine was used recreationally for decades, by some very heavy users at that, before any reports of bladder damage started to surface. It is far more likely that a by product of clandestine ketamine synthesis causes bladder damage, than ketamine actually causing it. Most ketamine is diverted from pharmacies, but at least some percentage of it is clandestinely manufactured. One friend had Chinese synthesized ketamine analyzed and it was only 80% pure, versus diverted pharmaceutical ketamine which is 99.99% pure unless it is cut.

Ketamine may cause bladder damage in a very small percentage of users with the recently reported cases being due to its increase in popularity, or it could be a by product of clandestinely synthesized batches, but when a drug has been used heavily for decades before the first reports of it causing bladder damage surface, it really must make you question things.
Thank you.
Also worth mentioning that people have suffered adverse effects from some preservatives found in vials of Ketamine.

The reports about bladder damage all involve users who are actually using relatively low doses daily. I believe caffeine or bad diet are more likely to be the cause of the problem than the Ketamine. Unless of course they were using it rectally in which case it will fuck your bladder.