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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: rtshredder on April 03, 2013, 05:41 am
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I had an idea earlier and posted this in the H chitchat thread, but I thought it would be a cool idea to have a thread of its own so we can keep track of the quality of H. The idea is that you post your baseline dose for each H vendor you've tried within the past 3 months. Vendors can change product quality all the time, so if you feel like you should add a vendor twice, just add the date to it. Since we don't seem to have anywhere safe to send product to have it tested domestically, this is the next best thing. I also think this is a good complement to the Vendor List thread: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=94564
vendor -- IV dosage
smile awhile -- 0.045g
king david -- 0.060g
dragoncove -- 0.065g
drugsunltd -- 0.065g
northern dancer -- 0.075g
sirthomasmore -- 0.075g
subsrgood -- 0.075g
undergroundsyndicate -- 0.075g
nod -- 0.1g
fast forward (#4) -- 0.12g
indubitably -- ???g (lol, was there even dope in the gram I got?)
Please add your table! Even 3 or 4 vendors is enough data to help come up with a weighted average.
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Nice idea shredder. +1
So by threshold do you mean when you have just barely begun to feel the effects. This seems tough to say. When I noticed that I have ingested an opiate....sorry just a bit confused.
I think if everyone listed their ROA it would be greatly help to further realize the true strength of the product since bio-availability changes wildly from one route to another.
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ROA and form (HCl or Base) are very important to keep in mind here. And as everyone knows, tolerance rapidly develops to opiates and in-between trying different vendors you may have built up a tolerance. So also important is your usage pattern.
Great idea to objectively compare the quality from different vendors! I'll be back to see who gets my money on my next H purchase.
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Nice idea shredder. +1
So by threshold do you mean when you have just barely begun to feel the effects. This seems tough to say. When I noticed that I have ingested an opiate....sorry just a bit confused.
I think if everyone listed their ROA it would be greatly help to further realize the true strength of the product since bio-availability changes wildly from one route to another.
yes! we should definitely list ROA. good idea.
the idea here is to show "equivalent" doses for each vendor that people have tried. I used the word baseline, but it doesn't really have to be baseline. It could be the equivalent dose that gets you nodding out on your keyboard.
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I'd love to contribute to this. But I need to find a more accurate scale, so I am not just guessing by eye.
Thanks for putting this up, rt.. You sure know how to coax +1 karma outta people.
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ROA and form (HCl or Base) are very important to keep in mind here. And as everyone knows, tolerance rapidly develops to opiates and in-between trying different vendors you may have built up a tolerance. So also important is your usage pattern.
Great idea to objectively compare the quality from different vendors! I'll be back to see who gets my money on my next H purchase.
I've added ROA, and these vendors are all #4 vendors. I mentioned "last 3 months" for tolerance reasons. I've been a user for several years so my tolerance doesn't go up as fast as someone new anymore, I guess.
This is an "objective comparison" but it's not fully scientific. Some subjectivity will leak in (was I sick before I got a shot of somebody's dope, etc). This is why I'd like everyone to participate, so that we can get somewhat of an average from everyone instead of just my say.
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Big problem here is that most regularvusers are on methadone or subutex, certainly the dosage of methadone can make a massive difference, I'm only on 30 mg now, but the number of times that I have read peoples reviews saying it is knockout gear, only to find that I get a mild buzz, if that, also you get many people with little experience, who rave about some gear, that as soon as it goes on the foil, you can taste the cut, and lack of true heroin taste, or the way it runs, it's way too clear etc, it is a highly subjective experience. Now, I take reviews with a large "pinch of salt". I'm not knocking this idea, but it has to be said that there are many flaws that are just due to the nature of heroin addiction!
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I'm on .5mg buprenorphine daily, and a .050 shot of MG's had me Very happy, nod out after an hour or so. I'm totally pushing his shit because he made good on a promise, and he sells great, Cheap dope!
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I'm on .5mg buprenorphine daily, and a .050 shot of MG's had me Very happy, nod out after an hour or so. I'm totally pushing his shit because he made good on a promise, and he sells great, Cheap dope!
He is one I am interested in because it appears to come from source, I seem to remember he only sold amounts of 5g or so, beyond my finances, but the other day, I noticed he had grams (or even 0.5gs)- very tempting!I also find coke or No4 H easier to jack, I think the lack of having to use acid helps a lot, it doesn't all coagulate in the works before I find a hit!
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Big problem here is that most regularvusers are on methadone or subutex, certainly the dosage of methadone can make a massive difference, I'm only on 30 mg now, but the number of times that I have read peoples reviews saying it is knockout gear, only to find that I get a mild buzz, if that, also you get many people with little experience, who rave about some gear, that as soon as it goes on the foil, you can taste the cut, and lack of true heroin taste, or the way it runs, it's way too clear etc, it is a highly subjective experience. Now, I take reviews with a large "pinch of salt". I'm not knocking this idea, but it has to be said that there are many flaws that are just due to the nature of heroin addiction!
Well, the thing that makes this work is that each person lists the dose that gave them similar effects under similar circumstances.
For example, what to do: if one day you take your normal 60mg methadone and then a shot of .1g of smile awhile's dope cuts through it, and then another day, you take your normal 60mg of methadone and it takes .125g of dragoncove's to cut through it, we still have good data saying that smile awhile's dope is 25% better than dragoncove's.
What not to do: take 60mg methadone then a shot of .1g of smile awhile's dope, then don't take methadone for 3 days, be really sick, then compare it to a shot of 0.075g of dragoncove's and list dragoncove above smile awhile. This is bad data.
(sorry to use you guys as an example, but you're at the top of my list so hopefully you won't take objection to it :)
Again, it's the dose that gives you similar effects under similar circumstances that is good data. If you guys aren't as into science and data as I am, then this thread is probably not for you, unless you just want to see the data. :)
There will always be some human element to it. But averaging it out across lots of people will help control that human element. I will keep a running average from everyone who participates! Please set it up in a chart like I did in the OP and list your ROA.
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Guess smile awhile just got a new buyer.
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vendor -- IV dosage
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dragoncove -- 0.12g
marlo stanfield -- 0.12g
supremesmoke -- 0.14g
nod -- 0.17g
purest -- 0.2g
einstein777 -- 0.2g
fast forward (Pure) -- 0.2g
fast forward ("Great Value BTH") -- 0.35g
seneca ("uncut"/"pure") -- 0.38g
seneca (Regular) -- 0.6g
These are my estimated levels, after I become acustomed to the particular dope for a couple of days, and my dose has stabilzed somewhat (which I think is important). Of course, I always start out @ about half of the levels listed.
Cheers!
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The 'tolerance-thing' is a bit *gnarf* but overall a topic as like them to be & see (also +1 from me, now than I can 'really give' my appreciation to all of you guys <3)
Over here & ontopic:
snorted -- no tolerance -- 50mg of FrankMatthews #3 made me puke (but I'm kind of sensitive regarding H and nausea) and also nodding after an hour or two ...
also snorted -- _bit_ tolerance -- 50mg of c63amg's #3 got me slammed ... I'd estimate that it's a bit more potent than Franks.
Both of them are great to smoke -- maybe 2/3rd of a snorted dose (in a light-bulb 'vaporizer') is getting me where a snorted dose do, but (as to expect because of ROA imo) some amount of time less in case of duration ...
Well. Hope it's OK to put in other ROA-infos and personal thinking related to as well :->
Light & Love,
8aliaseses8
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vendor -- IV dosage
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dragoncove -- 0.12g
marlo stanfield -- 0.12g
supremesmoke -- 0.14g
nod -- 0.17g
purest -- 0.2g
einstein777 -- 0.2g
fast forward (Pure) -- 0.2g
fast forward ("Great Value BTH") -- 0.35g
seneca ("uncut"/"pure") -- 0.38g
seneca (Regular) -- 0.6g
These are my estimated levels, after I become acustomed to the particular dope for a couple of days, and my dose has stabilzed somewhat (which I think is important). Of course, I always start out @ about half of the levels listed.
Cheers!
this is perfect! thanks!!
once I get a few more charts like this I'll work on putting up a weighted average in the OP.
edit: looks like Marlo just got a new customer :P
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Anyone have astonmarteen in here? EVERY heroin #4 dealer says their product is uncut and that's how he advertises it so I'm just curious. We are talking about $200/G prices here so it is good to see a chart like this, but how does anyone tell the potency level to themselves? I can view the chart all day but how would I rate the gear myself? Is the more potent gear just listed at the top? I guess the way the chart would be accurate is if the user was able to try EVERY gear listed, then make their own list right? Just trying to see how to use the chart to my advantage and make the better decision.
Thanks
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Anyone have astonmarteen in here? EVERY heroin #4 dealer says their product is uncut and that's how he advertises it so I'm just curious. We are talking about $200/G prices here so it is good to see a chart like this, but how does anyone tell the potency level to themselves? I can view the chart all day but how would I rate the gear myself? Is the more potent gear just listed at the top? I guess the way the chart would be accurate is if the user was able to try EVERY gear listed, then make their own list right? Just trying to see how to use the chart to my advantage and make the better decision.
Thanks
As soon as more people start participating and include AM in their charts, the sooner we can use the wonderful world of arithmetic to deduce the relative potency of each vendor's dope.
We have two charts so far, and you can see dragoncove is near the top on both. Even with only two charts, that tells you DC probably has good heroin.
The more charts we get, the better the data will be.
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Ok cool. Thanks.
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Big problem here is that most regularvusers are on methadone or subutex, certainly the dosage of methadone can make a massive difference, I'm only on 30 mg now, but the number of times that I have read peoples reviews saying it is knockout gear, only to find that I get a mild buzz, if that, also you get many people with little experience, who rave about some gear, that as soon as it goes on the foil, you can taste the cut, and lack of true heroin taste, or the way it runs, it's way too clear etc, it is a highly subjective experience. Now, I take reviews with a large "pinch of salt". I'm not knocking this idea, but it has to be said that there are many flaws that are just due to the nature of heroin addiction!
Finally someone with really experience. Also many people using benzos with H and other ansiolitics. But the heroin quality in general is very low. The tar in the beguining when start in SR it was high now is been going down and down lately (except nod) Just few nice surprises in the road, but we have still a lot to improve. I also read many reviews of Heroin that dont speak a bout the high, high type, flash or rush, onset, legs, color of the product, consistency, even 90 porcent of the feedbacks people dont describe the product, just the shipping. And this make it very hard for us to try to see where is the good gear.
chino
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Big problem here is that most regularvusers are on methadone or subutex, certainly the dosage of methadone can make a massive difference, I'm only on 30 mg now, but the number of times that I have read peoples reviews saying it is knockout gear, only to find that I get a mild buzz, if that, also you get many people with little experience, who rave about some gear, that as soon as it goes on the foil, you can taste the cut, and lack of true heroin taste, or the way it runs, it's way too clear etc, it is a highly subjective experience. Now, I take reviews with a large "pinch of salt". I'm not knocking this idea, but it has to be said that there are many flaws that are just due to the nature of heroin addiction!
Finally someone with really experience. Also many people using benzos with H and other ansiolitics. But the heroin quality in general is very low. The tar in the beguining when start in SR it was high now is been going down and down lately (except nod) Just few nice surprises in the road, but we have still a lot to improve. I also read many reviews of Heroin that dont speak a bout the high, high type, flash or rush, onset, legs, color of the product, consistency, even 90 porcent of the feedbacks people dont describe the product, just the shipping. And this make it very hard for us to try to see where is the good gear.
chino
Regarding your quote, "it's very hard for us to try to see where is the good gear" -- that's EXACTLY why this thread exists. I encourage you and everyone else who buys heroin on here to participate and add a table.
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Quote from: bobhope333 on April 03, 2013, 05:11 pm
Big problem here is that most regularvusers are on methadone or subutex, certainly the dosage of methadone can make a massive difference, I'm only on 30 mg now, but the number of times that I have read peoples reviews saying it is knockout gear, only to find that I get a mild buzz, if that, also you get many people with little experience, who rave about some gear, that as soon as it goes on the foil, you can taste the cut, and lack of true heroin taste, or the way it runs, it's way too clear etc, it is a highly subjective experience. Now, I take reviews with a large "pinch of salt". I'm not knocking this idea, but it has to be said that there are many flaws that are just due to the nature of heroin addiction!
Finally someone with really experience. Also many people using benzos with H and other ansiolitics. But the heroin quality in general is very low. The tar in the beguining when start in SR it was high now is been going down and down lately (except nod) Just few nice surprises in the road, but we have still a lot to improve. I also read many reviews of Heroin that dont speak a bout the high, high type, flash or rush, onset, legs, color of the product, consistency, even 90 porcent of the feedbacks people dont describe the product, just the shipping. And this make it very hard for us to try to see where is the good gear.
chino
Yes ,, these reviewers are both making very good points ....
Motek takes 120mgs of morph daily (rx'd) so has a pretty good 'reference' to the quality of the gear .. i.e. 100mgs of decent H 'should' give motek a nice buzz, but she'd expect to need around 200+mgs of 'good' H to go on the nod .... in fact, strangely enough, unless she has a smoke of some decent choof, it would take twice that!
Unfortunately she has only tried 2 vendors so far, but when the opportunity arises, she will do her best to make her 'comparisons' relative to 120mgs of pharmaceutical morphine ... with no other drugs in her system (well maybe nicotine and caffeine ;D)
Looking forward to helping the community ;)
p,s, In her past experience, even being on 30mls of methadone will substantially reuce the effect of even good H ... long past memories of being amazed at HOW MUCH just 30mgs/6mls of 'done stopped the H ... she would get a little buxx for maybe 5 mins and then nada!
I'm also quite surprised at the folks saying they're on 8+mgs of Bupe getting off on <100mg amounts! That just doesn't sound right for her ... but hey! people's 'natural' tolerances can vary massively!
I recall a nurse friend telling me that footballers coming into her hospital for knee surgery would be off their chops, nodding hard on 10mgs of pethidine! Meanwhile some of the best H I've ever had, took at least 100mgs for me to catch a noddy buzz (with a smoke) ... and I had a fair tolerance .... whereas I saw a dude OD on <50mgs of the same stuff ... he'd said he was 'experienced'
Yeah! sure! 20mins of mouth to mouth to save the fuckers lifee and he cracked the shits with me for "giving him too much!"
Opiates are an unusual drug, with some folks developing tolerances very quickly while others can take quite a bit longer! Moteks first habit was via snorting, it took a few weeks to get it ... well, I didn't run out for a few weeks, and I couldn't figure out why I couldn't sleep and felt SO fuckin restless and uncomfortable :o ::)
I learned early habits can sneak up on you! And when using IV it can take just 3-4 days to have a few days feeling a bit crook when you stop, whereas snorting and smoking MAY take a little longer (3-7 days)
And people with a lot of 'fat' tend to take longer for withdrawals to begin, and using SR (Sustained Release! :P ::)) forms of morphine can make WD's last longer than the 'standard' 5 day heroin 'hill of wd's', where it starts within 18-24 hours and by day 3 you're at the worst and beginning to 'come good',
and by day 5 you feel half normal, but still getting sweats and the 'hot and colds'
On the other hand (and IDK why) shooting MScontins regularly for a number of months, can give you WD's lasting 10+ days and you're still feeling completely fucked! It takes up to 3 weeks to get where you would with H in 5-6 days :o :o
And Thanx to everyone for doing their best to help the community assessing these drugs 8) 8) 8) and I will endeavour to provide reviews as the opportunity arises!
If any vendors want an honest and genuine comparison of their gear to 120mgs of morph ... feel free to pm me about how I can do a comparison that is about as consistent as you can get without sophisticated lab techniques (GC/MS) Melt point tests, or extracting the freebase and re-acetylating it ... all of which are time consuming and expensive!
Motek, on the other hand will just replace her morning shot of 120mgs of morph, with a 100-125mg shot of the vendors harry, and will give an immediate review ... I will then add how much it takes for me to get 'on the nod' without pot ... which (sadly) is usually far too much!
TF for the Rx'd morph or she'd be fucked! :P
PPS.. There's a GREAT book called "How to Quit Without Feeling Shit" which is based around using supllements and diet to "restore" your body back to where it 'feels best' .... IMO these duded REALLY KNOW what they're talking about!
** And accupucture can work BRILLIANTLY esp if the practitioner has been trained in china and is familiar with treating opium related problems!
I had a 500mg per day of 90% pure smack that this great accupuncturist treating me twice a day (morning and evening) STOPPED ALL WITHDRAWAL SYPMTOMS except for lots of sweating and I didn't sleep for 4 days! BUT ... NO "vomiting, leg/back pain, and wanting to jump out of my skin. no 'hot 'n colds', and he TOLD me to MAKE SURE to wipe off ANY sweat that happens especially at night in bed, you don't want those toxins being eliminated to dry back into you ;)
Good luck to everyone with the journey on the Road, may it be fruitful and scam free ;D
M
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vendor -- Snorted dosage -I'm being as objective as I can. When I'm good and high, itchy, raspy voice, tiny pupils, but not nodding
smile awhile -- 30-50mg (tough because I misweighed this)
dragoncove -- 60-70mg
deluxe delivery -- 80-90mg
subsandaddy -- 100mg
nod4less ---- 125mg snorted (tried smoking some too but no effect)
supreme smoke -- +200mg-close to 300mg
Kind David ---- Did roughly 150mg didn't feel much if anything and gave it away...vendor has reached out and is sending me a different product to make up for it
indubitably -- 500mg and did not feel high ???g (lol, was there even dope in the gram I got?) He is sending me more he claims to have better dope now
I know there are other vendors I've ordered from but can't think right now.
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vendor -- Snorted dosage -I'm being as objective as I can. When I'm good and high, itchy, raspy voice, tiny pupils, but not nodding
smile awhile -- 30-50mg (tough because I misweighed this)
dragoncove -- 60-70mg
deluxe delivery -- 80-90mg
subsandaddy -- 100mg
nod4less ---- 125mg snorted (tried smoking some too but no effect)
supreme smoke -- +200mg-close to 300mg
Kind David ---- Did roughly 150mg didn't feel much if anything and gave it away...vendor has reached out and is sending me a different product to make up for it
indubitably -- 500mg and did not feel high ???g (lol, was there even dope in the gram I got?) He is sending me more he claims to have better dope now
I know there are other vendors I've ordered from but can't think right now.
boom, perfect!
thanks!
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I love this thread
Supreme Smoke ----------------- 60 to 65mg
Purest -------------------------- 45 to 75
CharlieMustThrive ----------- 100 to 145 mg
Einstein777-------------------- 250 to 275 mg
Seneca ------------------------ 500 mg with absolutely no effects
Sorry about that... I am an IV consumer and all of the above was IVed
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vendor -- Snorted dosage -I'm being as objective as I can. When I'm good and high, itchy, raspy voice, tiny pupils, but not nodding
smile awhile -- 30-50mg (tough because I misweighed this)
dragoncove -- 60-70mg
deluxe delivery -- 80-90mg
subsandaddy -- 100mg
nod4less ---- 125mg snorted (tried smoking some too but no effect)
supreme smoke -- +200mg-close to 300mg
Kind David ---- Did roughly 150mg didn't feel much if anything and gave it away...vendor has reached out and is sending me a different product to make up for it
indubitably -- 500mg and did not feel high ???g (lol, was there even dope in the gram I got?) He is sending me more he claims to have better dope now
I know there are other vendors I've ordered from but can't think right now.
This is perfect for me. Karma +1
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I love this thread
Supreme Smoke ----------------- 60 to 65mg
Purest -------------------------- 45 to 75
CharlieMustThrive ----------- 100 to 145 mg
Einstein777-------------------- 250 to 275 mg
Seneca ------------------------ 500 mg with absolutely no effects
can you give your ROA?
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btw, couple more tables and I'll start a running average in the OP!
come on guys!
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I only can compare two vendors. I do take methadone for spacticity because of a spinal cord injury that I had in 2002. I had "the he will never walk again" talk with my doctor but by the grace of god 4 months in hospital and another 18 months going from a wheel chair to walker to 3pronged cane I finally walked again unassisted. however I do have some balance issues and the spacticity is f-ing nuts.I am prescribed a bunch of methadone but take very little.
1/2 gram H to 60 to 75ml of h20 is my normal daily shot.
AM gear took me .2g to 50ml
MS gear was .4g to 60ml
However AM gear had a different effect. I was more itchy pins and needles than MS. MS was more over all wind through the body kind of feel if that makes sense
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I only can compare two vendors. I do take methadone for spacticity because of a spinal cord injury that I had in 2002. I had "the he will never walk again" talk with my doctor but by the grace of god 4 months in hospital and another 18 months going from a wheel chair to walker to 3pronged cane I finally walked again unassisted. however I do have some balance issues and the spacticity is f-ing nuts.I am prescribed a bunch of methadone but take very little.
1/2 gram H to 60 to 75ml of h20 is my normal daily shot.
AM gear took me .2g to 50ml
MS gear was .4g to 60ml
However AM gear had a different effect. I was more itchy pins and needles than MS. MS was more over all wind through the body kind of feel if that makes sense
so you think AM's stuff is twice as good as MS?
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Hatter - Cold Shoot: 0.3ml feels nice - 0.5ml and I'm puking
Hatter - BTH: I can do 3 shots a day for a week with a half gram. Each shot is about 0.025 G.
Subsandaddy brown powder #4 - Half gram barely lasted 2 days and the high was very weak (no listings from this vendor for a while)
Nod - BTH: Same potency as Hatter's BTH
Einstein777: BTH (gunpowder) is not quite as potent as Hatter's or Nod's but it definitely gets me high. 0.05 gram per shot gives me pins and needles and a nice nod.
King David - "Paid in Full" stamps - these had little to no heroin in them. Replacement gear is on the way and I'll update with my experience with the new stuff once I've tasted.
King David - China White - 0.1g gets me open
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Vendor -- IV Dosage
jamesbrown (uncut Afghan #4) -- 75mg
supersun (#4) -- 80mg
deezletime -- 3 stamps (nice & strong but bags a bit too light - approx 20-30mg/stamp
Nod4Less -- 100mg
MarloStanfield -- 125mg
Einstein777 (Gunpowder) -- 125mg
supersun (Super Tar) -- 150mg
prejator -- Tried all 4 stamps & barely got a buzz, doubt it had any H in them
I've got a moderate tolerance and when I'm not doin H, I usually take a bunch of Loperamide (imodium) to keep from gettin dopesick. I've been doin it this way for about 3months now and so far it's worked pretty well. I've never used Subs/methadone before and have been able to go days at a time without any other opiates except loperamide.
The other cool thing is I've been able to go right back to H and not have any problems like I've read about with Subox messin up the high. The downside is tolerance keeps goin up so sooner or later I need to try and taper cuz it's gettin too damn expensive to get high.
If anyone wants info about using imodium instead of subs just PM me.
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rt shredder.
astonmarteen was twice as good as the street H i get. i got the same effect of .2 of AM as i get on a .5 of the street H i get.
MS was a different feeling so I cant say AM was any stronger just different effects from both. It is not an apples to apples comparison because of the effect of each. Actually MS had the same effect as this gear i use to do regularly in 2002. AM had more of the pins and needles....the histamine effects. MS was more of a whole body warming effect.
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rt shredder.
astonmarteen was twice as good as the street H i get. i got the same effect of .2 of AM as i get on a .5 of the street H i get.
MS was a different feeling so I cant say AM was any stronger just different effects from both. It is not an apples to apples comparison because of the effect of each. Actually MS had the same effect as this gear i use to do regularly in 2002. AM had more of the pins and needles....the histamine effects. MS was more of a whole body warming effect.
thanks... what we're looking for here is equipotent doses for vendors.. we are looking for apples to apples comparisons so I'm not going to include yours in the average. feel free to post again down the road :)
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vendor -- IV dosage
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dragoncove -- 0.12g
marlo stanfield -- 0.12g
supremesmoke -- 0.14g
nod -- 0.17g
purest -- 0.2g
einstein777 -- 0.2g
fast forward (Pure) -- 0.2g
fast forward ("Great Value BTH") -- 0.35g
seneca ("uncut"/"pure") -- 0.38g
seneca (Regular) -- 0.6g
These are my estimated levels, after I become acustomed to the particular dope for a couple of days, and my dose has stabilzed somewhat (which I think is important). Of course, I always start out @ about half of the levels listed.
Cheers!
tars
Fast Forward (pure) - 0.2g
fixture - 0.15g
CharlieMustThrive - 0.28g
powders
Neil Patrick Harris - 0.1g
deluxedelivery - 0.15g
King David - 0.25g
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vendor -- IV dosage
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dragoncove -- 0.12g
marlo stanfield -- 0.12g
supremesmoke -- 0.14g
nod -- 0.17g
purest -- 0.2g
einstein777 -- 0.2g
fast forward (Pure) -- 0.2g
fast forward ("Great Value BTH") -- 0.35g
seneca ("uncut"/"pure") -- 0.38g
seneca (Regular) -- 0.6g
These are my estimated levels, after I become acustomed to the particular dope for a couple of days, and my dose has stabilzed somewhat (which I think is important). Of course, I always start out @ about half of the levels listed.
Cheers!
tars
Fast Forward (pure) - 0.2g
fixture - 0.15g
CharlieMustThrive - 0.28g
powders
Neil Patrick Harris - 0.1g
deluxedelivery - 0.15g
King David - 0.25g
is this IV?
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vendor -- IV dosage
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dragoncove -- 0.12g
marlo stanfield -- 0.12g
supremesmoke -- 0.14g
nod -- 0.17g
purest -- 0.2g
einstein777 -- 0.2g
fast forward (Pure) -- 0.2g
fast forward ("Great Value BTH") -- 0.35g
seneca ("uncut"/"pure") -- 0.38g
seneca (Regular) -- 0.6g
These are my estimated levels, after I become acustomed to the particular dope for a couple of days, and my dose has stabilzed somewhat (which I think is important). Of course, I always start out @ about half of the levels listed.
Cheers!
tars
Fast Forward (pure) - 0.2g
fixture - 0.15g
CharlieMustThrive - 0.28g
powders
Neil Patrick Harris - 0.1g
deluxedelivery - 0.15g
King David - 0.25g
is this IV?
Yes.
Deluxedelivery used to have much stronger stuff, it was as good as Neil Patrick Harris's a few months ago.
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i have onlt recived oders from tommorowman h wise but am waiting on more from the xachancge i dunn o how much helpt it be but illl tsart my table and update as i recive more \great idea btw.
by the way my tolerance is low-mediuim right now
ROA is snorting
Tommorowman 30- 75 mgs railed gets me to a good spot starting to nod and and stuff i only insufflate but am waitinf on no 3 rite now whch i will smoke and insufflate will update more as recieved.
Thexchange 50-100 mgs to get to same point
Contrabandondemand im still waiting on their sample dont think its coming
Cartel Del Notre 40 Mgs ! rele good stuff caught me off gaurd had a small sample but will be getting more probably best ive had on road so far
Opi had to cancel order due to no msg response and listings pulled after site came back up
Northern Dancer 50-70 mgs rele good for price
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This is REALLY far off for ANYONE with a tolerence...
ive tried Nod, DC, and 1 other... MG are way off..
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This is REALLY far off for ANYONE with a tolerence...
ive tried Nod, DC, and 1 other... MG are way off..
Yes, we are aware.
No one on SR has any kind of tolerance. That's why I don't fuck with maintenance meds. Fucks your tolerance up for good.
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rt shredder.
astonmarteen was twice as good as the street H i get. i got the same effect of .2 of AM as i get on a .5 of the street H i get.
MS was a different feeling so I cant say AM was any stronger just different effects from both. It is not an apples to apples comparison because of the effect of each. Actually MS had the same effect as this gear i use to do regularly in 2002. AM had more of the pins and needles....the histamine effects. MS was more of a whole body warming effect.
thanks... what we're looking for here is equipotent doses for vendors.. we are looking for apples to apples comparisons so I'm not going to include yours in the average. feel free to post again down the road :)
Sorry rt...I wasn't trying to be so difficult it was just different. ..I preferred AM's.
I also appreciate the thread!
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i have an unnaturally high tolerance. not a huge opiate user too, started H last year, just messing with a quarter gram or half gram here and there..i literally finished a full gram though of dragoncove in about 8 days. had 2 days of pretty shitty hot n colds. so a nice break from H is needed haha.
ROA purely snorting:
dragoncove: 60mg - 80mg (2nd time I ever vomited on a 200mg intake that took around 4hrs to reach, puking roughly 6hrs later)
tomorrowman: 70mg - 90mg
supremesmoke: 70mg - 90mg
psilocin: 80mg - 100mg (first time i ever puked off H, it was straight misery/learning experience, massively drunk, and snorted multiple lines at the end of the night. result? next day, vomiting for HOURS, Psilocin is a very underrated vendor btw)
deluxedelivery: 80mg - 100mg
nod: 100mg sweet spot
einstein777: 100mg+
i would also add bosshogg but he disappeared, he had HARD rock number4...it was amazing...euphoric
speaking of euphoric..the following vendors products gave me euphoria (ymmv): dragoncove, tomorrowman, psilocin, and bosshogg
Taking a month or two break from H though. It was fun but a good break is needed, my unnaturally high tolerance from the starting line would just get worse. besides, its kinda meh. not hating on H, but its kinda boring...boring isnt a good word actually. idk, its just, a fine line between enjoyment and abuse. and i treaded the waters of abuse and it wasnt as fun as other drugs (cocaine, ghb, mushrooms, ketamine, even meth)
anywho. love knowing i have control over this shit. especially after experiencing my first dopesickness last week...dude, my heart goes out to all of you who have months or YEARS under your belt of regular use. i was just on a week bender and had a flu like hot n cold 2 day shit fest. wanted to jump in a pool and light myself on fire simultaneously.
cheers
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i have an unnaturally high tolerance. not a huge opiate user too, started H last year, just messing with a quarter gram or half gram here and there..i literally finished a full gram though of dragoncove in about 8 days. had 2 days of pretty shitty hot n colds. so a nice break from H is needed haha.
ROA purely snorting:
dragoncove: 60mg - 80mg (2nd time I ever vomited on a 200mg intake that took around 4hrs to reach, puking roughly 6hrs later)
tomorrowman: 70mg - 90mg
supremesmoke: 70mg - 90mg
psilocin: 80mg - 100mg (first time i ever puked off H, it was straight misery/learning experience, massively drunk, and snorted multiple lines at the end of the night. result? next day, vomiting for HOURS, Psilocin is a very underrated vendor btw)
deluxedelivery: 80mg - 100mg
nod: 100mg sweet spot
einstein777: 100mg+
i would also add bosshogg but he disappeared, he had HARD rock number4...it was amazing...euphoric
speaking of euphoric..the following vendors products gave me euphoria (ymmv): dragoncove, tomorrowman, psilocin, and bosshogg
Taking a month or two break from H though. It was fun but a good break is needed, my unnaturally high tolerance from the starting line would just get worse. besides, its kinda meh. not hating on H, but its kinda boring...boring isnt a good word actually. idk, its just, a fine line between enjoyment and abuse. and i treaded the waters of abuse and it wasnt as fun as other drugs (cocaine, ghb, mushrooms, ketamine, even meth)
anywho. love knowing i have control over this shit. especially after experiencing my first dopesickness last week...dude, my heart goes out to all of you who have months or YEARS under your belt of regular use. i was just on a week bender and had a flu like hot n cold 2 day shit fest. wanted to jump in a pull and light myself on fire simultaneously.
cheers
cheers man. thanks for the kind words at the end -- several years of daily use for me. started using IV less than a year ago. :|
also, your chart is perfect. thanks.
I think I can start doing a weighted index/score/average with the data I have now. I'll whip something up tomorrow!
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We're excited to see where you guys will rate our dope on there.
Shredder when you get time can you update your chart with our dope in there. Sorry to hear you missed a few shots we think our last batch was damn good stuff and our batch we will have in a few days will be stronger.
Also, if you have time could you add us to H vendors in your thread?
Thanks.
STM
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This is probably the best lager in the world........hang on, that's an advert. I'll just take a chill and start again! This is probably the best thread for serious H users, just wish I had the money to participate myself and do a table like StickAFinger's and KidCharlemagne, but for the Euro and occasional UK dealers. One essential (or 2) things are being left out some of the tables, one is the ROA (Route of Administration), I suppose, without knowing the ROA, you could use the info as an indication of relative potency- being applicable to that table only, one could not compare one table to another. THE BIG PROBLEM is, without knowing what, if any, maintenance the poster is taking, the info is pretty meaningless. Yes, as I said, it gives an indication of relative potency of vendors mentioned in that particular table, but without knowing what dose of methadone they are on, presuming they are stabilised on their methadone and strictly adhere to their dosage regime, these tables are of use only to novices or chippers. To me, on 50mg of methadone, I want to be able to choose a vendors gear, knowing that it has the potency to break through my methadone induced tolerance and put me in a gouch, whatever excuses dodgy vendors use to explain why their gear is not really shit, yes, some gear hits you differently, but at the end of the day, any potent gear will send you into a gouch if you have enough.
So, to summarise, one needs to know the posters tolerance- their daily use of methadone (in particular- as that has the effect of preventing H from attaching to it's receptors- which stops the H from working as well), also what their daily H use is. So many of the posters seem to be new to H, I just hope they know what they are getting into as their does seem to be a certain glamourisation of the junky life-style, especially by the power of celebrity, nowadays. They have the money to pay for it though- it annoys me when you have prats like that Pete what's his name- ex boyfriend of Kate Moss- the slime ball even set her up to get pics of her tooting C sold to the press. His audience age- impressionable teenagers are the ones that will suffer in the long term. The press don't care about the effect their publicity has- it's just more money to them.
Anyway, I suppose life goes on, these things have always been and always will be.
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I always IV, and almost never take maint. meds - unless you count the occasional 15g toss of kratom, or (very occasional) high dose imodium. I would certainly never take a maintenance med, knowing I have real shit coming..
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Not that many people buy from tomorrowman?
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bobhope -- I hope to calculate a weighted average soon and add it to the OP. I will have to leave out the ones without ROA.
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wow I wish 0.1g would get me off... I need atleast .25 g to get a good high.. damn my monster tolerance.....
and no its not cause my dopes shit.. ask anyone who's bought it its the BEST...
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From SAW's forum signature:
"Absolutely the Best Heroin SR has ever had to offer
The Only Real Genuine China White on SR
Vendor Page: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/c4fc9694b2"
+ 1
Those who know me know I know heroin. SAW's is better than Tony, Noriega, C3aeg, OPI, FrankMathew and anyone else. Also he's got a great price and very good stealth.
"SAW for your No.4 Heroin".
LG International
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wow. this is hands down the most boss move from a vendor i have ever seen.
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Toady ;-)
... no, joking aside, sry -- _it is_ really pleasant and experiencing it is seeing love work among us <3
What could one wants to have more!?! ... -- except 50% on SAWs hands-down dope of course LÖL
Let's keep this mood, let's share the love, let's be professionals but friends and brothers and sisters too, let's be ĦЦ/\/\ДÑӨïĐs, let's just be -- with us.
Light & Love,
∞aliaseses∞
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I would love for anyone to turn a 100mg or 250mg of SAW's powder into base and see whats what. whos got more pure product. Or even you SAW if you can be non-judgmental and say what the results are and not fake them.
convert a 1/4 gram or if you can't waste that much product 100 mg convert it into a base lets see how much you get back once the base from is dried. I've posted how to do this process more than once in vendors forum in the other thread.
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this is getting good
HEROIN PURITY FIGHTTTTTTT
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I would love for anyone to turn a 100mg or 250mg of SAW's powder into base and see whats what. whos got more pure product. Or even you SAW if you can be non-judgmental and say what the results are and not fake them.
convert a 1/4 gram or if you can't waste that much product 100 mg convert it into a base lets see how much you get back once the base from is dried. I've posted how to do this process more than once in vendors forum in the other thread.
Well I've search on the net and cannot find anything about your process so it lacks any scientific credibility as well as your results are hear say.
It's a long shot to think that "pebbles" you have 3rd/4th or 5th hand could be as pure as the bricks we get straight off a SEA Refineries production line.
There must be 4 or 5 experienced users reported in forum posts how our cw is better than your pebbles and i've never read anything by anyone saying the opposite.
I think that says something, No?
This could be fun and informative. Why not you two guys OPI and SAW pick a reputable buyer/user here that isn't affiliated with either one of you. Or we can come to a census on who that user should be. Send some dope to this user from each of you. And then let the testing begin. Both scenarios should of course be setup the same way. Have the user report back.
Better yet, here is what you do.
OPI and SAW, send your dope samples to on person who will escrow the dope. This person will label the dope sample1 and sample2. Then this person sends the dope to the tester person we choose. They will not know who's dope is what. Unless the visual look gives it a way. Could try a few different ways and make it fun.
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removed my posts from this thread as its silly getting into a meaningless purity debate. Vendors product should speak for itself.
There hasn't been anyone saying that your product is better than mine. When I call out asking for that person's SR market username I get shit all response therefore I call BS and its a shill account cause I know for a fact the last person said yours was better was stoner kebab and that guy never gave me me SR user name therefore if he bought anything from me in the previous 3 months I'd be able to find this username in my feedbacks and that guy never gave me his name so i call BULLSHIT.
There hasn't been any confirmed person that has purchased from me and from you and has compared the potency between the two.
Like I said if your so sure, convert the #4 into #3 by using soda ash... its basic chemistry going from an acid to a base. measure the pH level of your heroin before going thru the with adding the saturated soda ash solution which should be in the acidic zone, and then measure the pH of the soda ash which will be OFF the charts base like the pH test strips I got don't even have a # for the colour it turns as it goes DARK BLUE wheres my test strips range from 5.5-9.0...
Whats so hard to do this? obviously you can't back up your claims I ask anyone to try this themselves with any #4 dope they get to get a PURE form of heroin... but if its weak heroin your gonna be left with barely any precipitated #3 base heroin and if its good quality heroin you'll be left with around 80-70% heroin as its not very common to get anything more refined due to more specialized laboratory being required
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As much as I'd salute some professional analyzes of the one or other gear (to my sadness suchlike isn't allowed in my country), I'm sad about the recent progress of this awesome thread ...
IMO it'd be an awesome idea for top-notch vendors to get their products checked and analyzed by an official institution but in real this might be quite a bit idealistic and most likely not possible in a satisfying manner.
... aaaannd because of this -- I think -- rtshredder did start this topic ;-)
Let it flow! -- ... and if you want to get absolutely sure: send me an sample and I'll set up a proper dope comparison week once I collected enough samples to compare in a proper way^^
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I'm really looking forward to your chart rtshredder :D
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Bump - Hopefully more people will see this and contribute. The feedback system is useless for this because there is no way of knowing the persons tolerance and ROA.
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i have an unnaturally high tolerance. not a huge opiate user too, started H last year, just messing with a quarter gram or half gram here and there..i literally finished a full gram though of dragoncove in about 8 days. had 2 days of pretty shitty hot n colds. so a nice break from H is needed haha.
ROA purely snorting:
dragoncove: 60mg - 80mg (2nd time I ever vomited on a 200mg intake that took around 4hrs to reach, puking roughly 6hrs later)
tomorrowman: 70mg - 90mg
supremesmoke: 70mg - 90mg
psilocin: 80mg - 100mg (first time i ever puked off H, it was straight misery/learning experience, massively drunk, and snorted multiple lines at the end of the night. result? next day, vomiting for HOURS, Psilocin is a very underrated vendor btw)
deluxedelivery: 80mg - 100mg
nod: 100mg sweet spot
einstein777: 100mg+
i would also add bosshogg but he disappeared, he had HARD rock number4...it was amazing...euphoric
speaking of euphoric..the following vendors products gave me euphoria (ymmv): dragoncove, tomorrowman, psilocin, and bosshogg
Taking a month or two break from H though. It was fun but a good break is needed, my unnaturally high tolerance from the starting line would just get worse. besides, its kinda meh. not hating on H, but its kinda boring...boring isnt a good word actually. idk, its just, a fine line between enjoyment and abuse. and i treaded the waters of abuse and it wasnt as fun as other drugs (cocaine, ghb, mushrooms, ketamine, even meth)
anywho. love knowing i have control over this shit. especially after experiencing my first dopesickness last week...dude, my heart goes out to all of you who have months or YEARS under your belt of regular use. i was just on a week bender and had a flu like hot n cold 2 day shit fest. wanted to jump in a pull and light myself on fire simultaneously.
cheers
cheers man. thanks for the kind words at the end -- several years of daily use for me. started using IV less than a year ago. :|
also, your chart is perfect. thanks.
I think I can start doing a weighted index/score/average with the data I have now. I'll whip something up tomorrow!
Yea it sucks 14 years of heavy I.V. use with breaks on methadone and subs more times than I can count. I saw where some chick said about 18 to 24 hours to feel withdrawal lol not my dumb ass 4 hours after last shot unless I was sleeping and I would get sick, bought bricks from the city at my worst was shooting 5 bundles a day 5- 10 bag shots of sick bags, the fucking doctors at the clinic didn't even believe me. A shot looked like mud almost couldn't get the shit all in one syringe. I have been on methadone for 18 months (once again!) and I was smoking weed the whole time and never once craved H, I quit puffin a year ago and the cravings came back full force! Fucking sucks thought I had the shit licked and there it was hibernating deep inside me this whole time.
As for the chart, I think it is an awesome idea +1 However batch consistency is going to make it very difficult. I don't have 2K to buy grams form 7 or 8 guys at once and then test them, and by the time I get to the last guy the batch might of changed 5 times, however if the same people are sitting at the top and bottom for months and months I guess its safe to say they have a steady supply of good or shit dope. Much thanks and I will be sure to add to the chart when possible.
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What you getting your knickers in a twist for? I said it was silly to get into a purity debate because unless there was a proper lab test done then its all just opinion and conjecture. Like your test than no one else has ever heard of and results that are here say.
I'm not interested, don't care. Our sales are doing fine and you can have the tinpot title as SR most potent/pure Heroin.
I'ts crazy to think I would post using a shill account to say our Heroin was better than yours. The guy stoner Kebab I think i know who it is and like alot of people they use different names for buying and posting on he forum.
Also yes I've read 3 or 4 people posts comparing our products but it's just peoples opinion. Check out some of the posts of people like inadaytimewith, advancedlabs, boogersugar. In fact I'll do a quick search so save you the time.
Who has the purest H right now?
I am confident to say that I have Silkroads TOP HEROIN.
No offense opi I haven't had your pebbles in a while but I used to buy from nucleo, noriega, nogen, tony, and you back in the day and honestly smile awhile's china white is the best heroin I've ever tried. His dope seriously made me wonder what else is in yours and other vendors dope. It's better than nucleo's if you can believe that. And his stealth is the best I've ever seen. His shipping took less than a week for me which is not as fast as domestic obviously but is pretty fast considering where it is coming from. His cw was so potent it was actually kind of scary to think what might happen to somebody who did their usual size shot. I have a VERY high tolerance, did half of what I would normally do in a shot and I thought I was going to fall out. I ain't a shill account and I don't kiss no vendors ass but I feel pretty lucky I actually got to try pure dope at least once in my life. I honestly don't think you could find purer dope anywhere in the world. I would like to see his dope lab tested. His dope will seriously knock your fucking block off.
Tman?? JUST got an order today and it was garbage, average street quality for premium price...Id steer clear at least on his current batch.
H vendors canada domestic:
OPI - expensive, but quality is very very good
Non domestic:
smile awhile - quality is best you will find on SR, and shipping is just as fast as domestic, and stealth is very good, no worries about it not getting thru.
Oh and everyone else. I'm going to sum up the SR H market right now real quick for you. Smile Awhile has the best dope, point blank, period! No if's, ands, or buts about it. Take it from someone who was shooting dope long before Silkroad Anonymous Marketplace existed. I'm from a city that many consider the heroin capital of the United States (maybe even the world for that matter), I've done my share of dope from all over.
Sure, there are other vendors on SR that have pretty good dope. For example, SupremeSmoke is serving up something decent right now, u
Then the Canadian vendors are still doing their thing and consistently serving up good Afghan dope (Tman, PDS, Northern Dancer, Opi). If you want good Afghan heroin, you can't go wrong with any of these guys/girls (although OPI's pebbles are prohibitively expensive for me, but they are not to be fronted on, the pebbles are GOOD, easily tied second place with the dope vendor Chyna White sold during his short lived stint as a vendor)
Yet when it comes to the best, it's Smile Awhile hands down. This guy has been quietly serving up some of the BEST heroin currently produced in THE WORLD. This is the shit legends are made of. The closest you can get to pharm. grade Heroin without being pharm grade. Seriously people, do yourselves a favor and try this stuff. Quite frankly, it's the shit, believe the hype. I shared some with an old friend of mine who got strung out in the Vietnam War and has been doing dope ever since. He says he hasn't had anything like it since he left Vietnam in 1972. He's been practically begging me to get him some ever since. It just doesn't get any better, and if it does, watch Smile Awhile be the one to provide it. When it comes to heroin, this man has the type of connects that Stringer Bell dreams of . lol
Then there is the post by a guy who ordered from us recently Largetto.
Now its just peoples opinions and I don't really care and as I say i don't see any direct compeition. Just looking at the sales for last 10 days of your pebbles, what's it been? 4g and ours for the last 10 days comes in at 45g.
Maybe that's why your so uptight!
I'm fine with 4 grams, I have had to send out 10+ orders daily I did it made over 20k in 1 month and it was too hectic have fun with it, I'm happy where I am at. If i wanted more orders I could drop my price but like I said I'm happy with what I have. and that advancelabs motherfucker doesnt count SOB left 1/5 when I told em I ran out and would send an extra amount of H and the guy didnt' ask to just cancel the order and decided to wait, then once he got his order with the extra H the sob still left 1/5 so enjoy that bitchass client
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Does non of you USA/Canada guys have experience with the stuff SuperTrips is selling?
I'm interested in a comparison of his product with the products of tomorrowman or psilocin or the like ... :)
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No one?!
Well, OK -- so I'll do it myself ;)
Will receive from my friend nuristan #3 and #4 dope as well and also 1g of SuperTrips Afghan #4 ...
So I will be able soon to compare (and give proper feedback of) some good (some less good^^) vendors and their products from quite some different areas in the world \o
I've had dope from FrankMatthews (#3), c63amg (#3), Italy (#3), theXchange (#3), Indubitably (#4), vladmir (#4) and will receive soon the products of nuristan (#3 & #4) and SuperTrips (#4) ... I'll try to compare as objective as possible and also will try to lower my already negligible tolerance respectively will take up my time, make pauses between consumption of dope A and another dope B etc. ...
ROA will be smoked (#3), railed (#3 & #4) and also I think I'll give rectal consumption (#4) a try as it should have a great bioavailability (near to IV) ...
Will come back and report properly as soon as possible o/
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Do you want ppl to have at least 3 reasonably comparable vendors in order to post comparisons?
I should have that in a week or so, right now I have two (and one of them is indubitably, so basically I have one ;) ). But based on my tolerance I think my numbers are pretty instructional, as they are about double or triple what I've seen most people post, so they'd probably be a good baseline for anyone on maintenance meds and/or with a super long term, no real breaks opiate habit.
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You're asking rtshredder the thread-opener and not me, are you?
I'll answer anyway as I think rtshredder didn't has had in mind that a comparison of 3 vendors should be contained in a proper post here when he opened this thread ...
What is asked is a proper comment about the quality of a specific heroin ... so if you're doing 100mg Morph/day it's an absolutely sufficient no imo great post and information when you e.g. are saying that you needed 500mg of Indubitablys stuff (;->) to be satisfied as this means, that 500mg of the dope you're talking about is 'worth' 100mg Morphine ... if on the other side you just need 40mg of e.g. nuristans or psilocins or whoevers dope to 'substitute' your 100mf Morph/day it means that their gear is of pretty good quality ...
Hope I did help you :)
Light & Love,
aliaseses
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Need to sub this thread. Thanks for your testing aliases. Of all the people that must do H in Europe, there are probably only a handful of reviews. We can make this such a great community if only we left as many reviews as our American friends.
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Absolutely, you're right -- but the only thing we have to do to make a change is just ... doing it :)
I'll keep on doing what has been started here -- Thx to rtshredder in the first way!
Light & Love o/
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Ok here goes:
I'm on 30-40mg methadone a day, plus breakthrough meds most days (4-16mg dilaudid or 15-60mg morphine). Both of these are usually taken orally, although the BT meds are occasionally snorted or in emergencies, IV. The methadone dose keeps me well, not high, and on days when I take the breakthrough meds orally I get some glow from them but not really a proper high or nod.
I have been on methadone for 15 years without a break, and with the addition of the BT meds for 5 years. (Ugh, has it really been that long?) Therefore I have a significant tolerance: the local tar available around here takes about a gram for me to feel it. I much prefer powder heroin, both for the feeling/rush and because it doesn't fuck up my very very few working veins.
Anyway, below are all IV, and these are the numbers needed to get a rush and nod (or at least that was the goal anyway):
smile awhile: ~100mg (eyeballed, sorry)
northern dancer: ~125mg (really impressed with this one: I put 200mg in the rig and pushing slowly, could only do about 2/3 of it without getting what I felt would be dangerously high)
NOD: 200-250mg (I'm estimating a bit here, cuz I did 200 and got a rush and some high, didn't get quite where I wanted to be: I also think the abundance of 6MAM in tar has a harder time to break through the methadone than straight diacetylemorphine...or maybe my body just doesn't like tar as much?).
indubitably: ??? (did 200mg and could barely feel it, didn't have any more to keep trying).
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hey peeps, still very much a newbee here on the forums
i have the understanding some vendors can activate "stealth mode"
how can i get in contact with saw? ;)
i get back to working in a few weeks and want to know who im gohna
make my purchase from,so id juat like to know his pricing
this threads a great idea ,with all the collective data and such
thankyou to all who contributed
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aliases, you try supertrips #4 yet?
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I bought supertrips #4 from UGS. It is potent and will punch you square in the dick if you aren't careful.
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Ok here goes:
I'm on 30-40mg methadone a day, plus breakthrough meds most days (4-16mg dilaudid or 15-60mg morphine). Both of these are usually taken orally, although the BT meds are occasionally snorted or in emergencies, IV. The methadone dose keeps me well, not high, and on days when I take the breakthrough meds orally I get some glow from them but not really a proper high or nod.
I have been on methadone for 15 years without a break, and with the addition of the BT meds for 5 years. (Ugh, has it really been that long?) Therefore I have a significant tolerance: the local tar available around here takes about a gram for me to feel it. I much prefer powder heroin, both for the feeling/rush and because it doesn't fuck up my very very few working veins.
Anyway, below are all IV, and these are the numbers needed to get a rush and nod (or at least that was the goal anyway):
smile awhile: ~100mg (eyeballed, sorry)
northern dancer: ~125mg (really impressed with this one: I put 200mg in the rig and pushing slowly, could only do about 2/3 of it without getting what I felt would be dangerously high)
NOD: 200-250mg (I'm estimating a bit here, cuz I did 200 and got a rush and some high, didn't get quite where I wanted to be: I also think the abundance of 6MAM in tar has a harder time to break through the methadone than straight diacetylemorphine...or maybe my body just doesn't like tar as much?).
indubitably: ??? (did 200mg and could barely feel it, didn't have any more to keep trying).
Im on the same meds bro. Iv been on methadone for about 6 years and i also get Dilaudids as well for BT. I only get 30 of the 2mg though..
Iv gotta say To i'v a dilly Hits u damn good, im sure u know this but iv prefer d my dillys over some of the H that iv got from here before.
The closest thing best to SUPER STRONG good H is Fent Pure powder and Dillys.. IMO. I get Original Oc's sent to me and can do 2 80mg's and its nothing close to the great feeling of a shot of diladid , again IMO.. Just thought i would mention to ya just by chance u were not aware how bad ass diladids are through I'V...
Im in the same boat as u though, iv got some fuk'd veins.. The one good vein i have the always shows i decided to put a tattoo over it starting my half sleeve, so that way o know just where it is, and Ink will be there to disguise any tracks..
Im hoping to finish the inner part of my arm soon where docs normally take blood, cause i swear the scare i have there look like some one cut me with a surgical knife about a inch long.. yOUNG n had no idea what i was doing at the time..
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aliases, you try supertrips #4 yet?
Yeah, I did. It's great. I'd say as good as the stuff that most of the Canadian / US vendors are selling but less expensive and more save to order (in case you are living in EU).
Did not have sampled Franks actual batch of #4 so I don't know how it compares to other EU-sold gear but I think that SuperTrips is my source for #4 from now on :)
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ROA: up the nose
Tolerance: I take 60 mg of vicodin a day. I was on suboxone for 4 years but have recently kicked that habit. I do believe that the suboxone has raised my tolerance forever.
UGS - 80 mg (1 gram listing)
MarloStanfield - 120 mg (1 gram listing)
DeluxeDelivery - 110 mg (stamps)
My package from 10toes arrives on Monday. I just placed my order for subsrgood, so that should be here Wednesday. This is going to be a good week.
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I'd love to read a comparison of SuperTrips/UGS Afghan #4 and the top-notch China White Smile Awhile is selling ... just in terms of "bang-for-the-buck" you know.
Nobody has done that by now?!
C'mon - spit it out ;)
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hey guys.. first time I've checked into this thread in a while.
I've done UGS/ST's stuff, and while it's really potent (dose would probably be around dragoncove/northern dancer), it has no legs. I woke up in withdrawal in the middle of the night! However, this thread doesn't really measure legs as that's too subjective, unfortunately.
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hey guys.. first time I've checked into this thread in a while.
I've done UGS/ST's stuff, and while it's really potent (dose would probably be around dragoncove/northern dancer), it has no legs. I woke up in withdrawal in the middle of the night! However, this thread doesn't really measure legs as that's too subjective, unfortunately.
I would say it is definitely worth mentioning. I had the same problem, waking up in the middle of the night in withdrawal. I was actually making a line to do in the middle of the night when I would wake up in WDs. It was very strong but does not last at all.
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That's exactly what I have experienced too ... weird.
Common subjectivity ;)
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I too have whinged about the paucity of European heroin users' reviews.
I'll try to help myself with that. I am waiting on deliveries from: TopNotch, UglyDoll and Beston3 (for Strong Afghan, #3, and Strong #3 respectively).
I'll update when I have had a shot of each.
Update: I buggered up the order from UglyDoll and so it has been cancelled. I applied incorrect postage. Silly me.
I received my order from Beston3. It is tremendously good heroin. An excellent service.
TopNotch has not changed my order from 'processing' yet. I hope to see it soon. His product is usually very good and I expect it to arrive in due course.
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Yeah \o/ ... Europe's risin' ^^
I once have placed an order with UglyDoll too and canceled it myself after iirc 7 days of seeing it stuck in 'processing' ... but I don't think that his dope is one that one has to do -- I'm assuming it more to be standard gear.
Never heard about Beston3 yet -- will look him up, thanks for the tip @ AgentLee
@rtshredder
How is it going with your announced chart?!? Did I miss to recognize it and you've already posted it somewhere or didn't you set it up by now?
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This is my list as in potency levels. I'm NOT listing amounts since every person will be different so that doesn't matter. The vendors listed together were so close in potency they are together in their own group. Remember, this is MY list. It may be different then what you feel but I feel it is accurate on potency levels of each vendor.
Smile Awhile - I think will always be at the top
Dragoncove - Heroin #4 powder
Subsrgood - Heroin #4 powder/pebbles
SirThomasMoore - Heroin #4 powder
SupremeSmoke - Heroin #4 powder
Freeway - Heroin #4 powder
DieselTherapy - his .5 bags. Not the stamps.
10Toes - Heroin #4 powder
Gotsitall - Heroin #4 solid piece
McGillaCuttyJones - tar
Nod - tar
Purest - tar
CharlieMustThrive - tar
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is anyone in netherlands using heroin ? why not send some in the lab to check whats inside a bag of heroin ?
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Yeah, it would be great to have results of lab-tests of some dope ... in my country there is no possibility to do things like that - I think the main problem that causes that there are no people doing it is that one have to hand in not only 10 or 50 mg but more like half a g or the like which is a lot for the most consumers I guess (for me it is).
__BUT__ if __I__ were a vendor, I would give the gear I'm selling to an official and reputable lab so I would be able to show my customers what I'm selling and that it's worth and wise doing business with me (just as a sign of honesty and openness) ... but I'm no vendor and maybe most vendors don't do so because the gear they are selling isn't half as good as they are proclaiming ;)
@HarryJohnson
Instead of listing amounts you just could post proportions/ratios ... e.g. if Smile Awhile is the top you give him 1 -- DragonCove which is #2 on your list will then get e.g. 1.2 if you need 20% more of his #4 (which would mean 120mg of DragonCoves dope is worth 100mg of Smile Awhiles) ...
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Replying so I can keep an eye on this. Also, I've begun sampling several vendors so I may contribute my own data (if anyone has happened to stumble on my reviews I am pretty big on precise numbers so providing that information wouldn't be a problem).
Cheers gang,
Snoopish
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I am pretty big on precise numbers so providing that information wouldn't be a problem).
Cheers gang,
Snoopish
Sounds promising :)
I'm interested in reading your providable information \o/
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Anyone has sampled both: FrankMatthews #4 as like SuperTrips #4? Is it the same Afghan #4 or are they different? If: different in potency or more in case of legs or the like as the legs SuperTrips gear has are pretty short imo.
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This is my list as in potency levels. I'm NOT listing amounts since every person will be different so that doesn't matter. The vendors listed together were so close in potency they are together in their own group. Remember, this is MY list. It may be different then what you feel but I feel it is accurate on potency levels of each vendor.
Smile Awhile - I think will always be at the top
Dragoncove - Heroin #4 powder
Subsrgood - Heroin #4 powder/pebbles
SirThomasMoore - Heroin #4 powder
SupremeSmoke - Heroin #4 powder
Freeway - Heroin #4 powder
DieselTherapy - his .5 bags. Not the stamps.
10Toes - Heroin #4 powder
Gotsitall - Heroin #4 solid piece
McGillaCuttyJones - tar
Nod - tar
Purest - tar
CharlieMustThrive - tar
I demand a rematch!! :-)
I have got my weight up in this new product that I have. Check me out.
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This is nice, but we need one like the cocaine purity thread. I would be more than happy to donate to someone who could send samples out to a lab to be tested.
Keeps vendors honest, and with this whole fent analogue BS with Supertrips would be nice to see actual percentages of H in the stuff.
Cocaine thread I am referencing: dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=108950.0
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This is my list as in potency levels. I'm NOT listing amounts since every person will be different so that doesn't matter. The vendors listed together were so close in potency they are together in their own group. Remember, this is MY list. It may be different then what you feel but I feel it is accurate on potency levels of each vendor.
Smile Awhile - I think will always be at the top
Dragoncove - Heroin #4 powder
Subsrgood - Heroin #4 powder/pebbles
SirThomasMoore - Heroin #4 powder
SupremeSmoke - Heroin #4 powder
Freeway - Heroin #4 powder
DieselTherapy - his .5 bags. Not the stamps.
10Toes - Heroin #4 powder
Gotsitall - Heroin #4 solid piece
McGillaCuttyJones - tar
Nod - tar
Purest - tar
CharlieMustThrive - tar
I demand a rematch!! :-)
I have got my weight up in this new product that I have. Check me out.
I can attest. I got in an order from DT for my husband and hes an occasional perc 10 user and he was nodding off a third of a stamp. I know he is a lightweight but man did it put a smile on that man!
So if your worried about quality DT's newest batch is Nioooooce
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Asking pineapple love if he can do what he does with cocaine and sending it out to be tested to see if he can do the same for heroin.
That way people can start buying on concrete purity rather than speculation
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Wow!! That would be awesome \o/
... I don't understand why the big vendors does not getting their gear lab-tested anyway?!?
If one will do and his dope rocks, every other vendor would have to do so too if he does not want to give the impression of him having something to hide.
I'm hot to see how this will go on! BIG THANX @ KaoticS for starting to realise that plan :)
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This is my list as in potency levels. I'm NOT listing amounts since every person will be different so that doesn't matter. The vendors listed together were so close in potency they are together in their own group. Remember, this is MY list. It may be different then what you feel but I feel it is accurate on potency levels of each vendor.
Smile Awhile - I think will always be at the top
Dragoncove - Heroin #4 powder
Subsrgood - Heroin #4 powder/pebbles
SirThomasMoore - Heroin #4 powder
SupremeSmoke - Heroin #4 powder
Freeway - Heroin #4 powder
DieselTherapy - his .5 bags. Not the stamps.
10Toes - Heroin #4 powder
Gotsitall - Heroin #4 solid piece
McGillaCuttyJones - tar
Nod - tar
Purest - tar
CharlieMustThrive - tar
the amount most definitely does matter. I realize that every person is different, but it shows relative dosage. if several people say saw's dope is around ~20% better than dragoncoves, we can show that in a weighted average. so I can't use your chart absent of numbers in the weighted average. :/
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Just to let u all know who wanna try ugly doll, Their H SUCKS!!! its the weakest Iv ever had!. I wouldnt pay 40 for 2 grams... Its some of the worst i got on here.. just thought id let u all who r thinking of trying it, go somewhere else..
Their is a new guy DR HOLLAND from netherlands, his #3 is pretty good.. and hes got a damn good offer going on, if u go by one of his products, u can get eaither .10 of coke or .10 of #3 free with ur order,,
his cheapest product is a butterfly x pill 8.50, order it get free H..
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This is an interesting and useful thread so I thought I would try to revive it. But in fact I am more interested in the quality of the high then in mere potency. Of course this is subjective but it would still be useful information, in fact for me it is more important than mere potency. I am looking for heroin which is euphoric, gives bodily pleasure and warmth, gives me energy and motivation. I am not so interested in just nodding off. For some reason which I cannot explain I've found that heroin today just doesn't provide as much pleasure and euphoria as dope from the period when I was regularly using (1970's). I've been ordering from many vendors seeking heroin with the qualities I am looking for. Although most of the heroin I've bought has been very potent, none have given me as much pleasure as the dope I used several decades ago. I missed Smile Awhile's heroin as he stopped selling before I discovered SR. In fact, I lost touch with the street and the people who I used to score from. Until I discovered Silk Road, I had not used heroin for decades. Anyway, I suspect that heroin from the Golden Triangle is likely to offer the best qualities available.
Perhaps I should start a new thread, but for the time being I would be interested in hearing from anyone who can describe the effects of dope from various vendors: potency as well as the quality of the high. I will be getting some heroin from DragonCove and if it is interesting I'll report back here on my experience with it.
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I posted this data in the "No euphoria from heroin" thread, but I think it may help answer some of your questions Orpheus :)
It's very good quality, accurate and easy to understand info about, heroin manufacture AND how the variety and quantities of various alkaloids in the opium the morphine is extracted from, can and do affect the type/quality of heroin obtained ... I have some more reference data like this so IF you guys would like me to post more, just ask :) 8)
The Making of Heroin
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Corrections from people who know more about chemistry this chemistry than I do (i.e, pretty much anyone! lol) are welcomed.
I. The Poppy
Illicit cultivation of the opium poppy (Papaver somniferum) has traditionally been an Asian business. More recently, production has spread to the highlands of the tropical regions of the Western Hemisphere, primarily Mexico and Colombia. The worldwide illicit opium harvest in 1995 was estimated at 4,157 metric tons, the majority accounted for by the estimated 2,561 tons produced in Southeast Asia (primarily Myanmar (Burma), with significant crops also in Laos, Thailand, China, Vietnam, and Cambodia) . Following Southeast Asia is Southwest Asia, primarily Afghanistan (with smaller amounts growing in Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, India, Lebanon and Khirgistan), these two regions accounting for the vast majority of opium destined for conversion to illicit heroin. Colombia was estimated to have produced 65.5 tons of opium in 1996 , while Mexico was estimated to have grown 53 tons in 1995. Heroin originating from these Western Hemisphere sources is destined almost exclusively for the United States, while Southeast Asian product enjoys worldwide distribution. Heroin of Southwest Asian origin is mostly exported to Europe or consumed locally.
P. somniferum is an annual, flowering plant, believed to have evolved, through centuries of breeding and cultivation, from a wild-growing ancestor native to the northeastern Mediterranean coast. It grows best in dry, temperate climates, usually at altitudes of over 800 meters (2500 ft) above sea-level. The optimal growing season is from September to July depending on the regional climate. In Southeast Asia, planting is completed by late October, in order to take advantage of the long days of the Southern Hemisphere winter. Growing plots are selected for maximum sun exposure on slopes of gradients of 20 to 40 degrees for optimal drainage. (Excessive moisture is damaging to the plant). About one pound of seed is needed to sow one acre of land. By November, when the young plant enters the cabbage or lettuce stage and has reached a height of about one foot, some of the plants are removed in order to leave room for the others to grow (about 1 to 2 feet between plants). A typical opium poppy field has 60,000 to 120,000 plants per hectare (2.46 acres). The mature plant reaches a height of about 2-5 feet by late winter, beginning to flower after about 90 days of growth, 3 to 8 flowers per plant. Flowering continues for several weeks, reaching full bloom by early spring (or later, depending on the region; later development is typical in more western regions .
After full bloom, the petals drop to reveal a small, round grayish-green fruit which continues to develop into an oblate, elongated or globular capsule ( also called the seedpod, bulb or poppy head) about the size of a chicken egg. The skin of the pod encloses the ovary, the walls of which secrete the latex (opium) which collects in a network of vessels and tubes throughout the pod.
About two weeks after the petals have fallen, the pods are fully mature, as indicated by the aforementioned shape of the capsule, a change in color from grayish-green to dark green; the points of the pods crown now stand straight out or are curved upward. At this point the pods are ready to be scored (or tapped, incised or lanced). Harvesters make the incision with a a three- or four- bladed instrument (iron or glass blades bound tightly on a wooden handle), designed to make an incision of about one millimeter deep. (Too deep an incision may result in excessive spilling either into the center of the pod or to the ground; too shallow and the latex will not ooze as desired). The pods are scored two to three times each in the afternoon, causing the white latex to drip onto the surface of the pod. The opium oxidizes, darkens, and thickens overnight, and in the morning is scraped from the surface with a flat iron blade. This process is repeated over several days until each pod is depleted of its opium. Each pod may yield from 10 to 100 milligrams of opium, with an average of 80 milligrams, which is set aside in a container to dry in the sun. (Pods giving highest yields are marked, cut from the plant, cut open and dried in the sun, their seeds saved for the next planting). Dried, raw opium is brown to black in color; higher-quality product is brown and sticky. A typical farm will produce 3 to 9 kilograms of opium per acre.
II. Opium: Some vital statistics
Over 40 different alkaloids have been identified as present in opium, mostly as salts of meconic acid . The most important of these, of course, is morphine. Although Turkish opium (Druggists Opium) may contain up to 21% morphine , the average morphine content of opium tapped from P. somniferum is 9 to 14% by mass. Next most prominent is codeine (3-methoxymorphine) which constitutes 0.5 to 2.5% of the dried latex. Noscapine, comprising 4 to 8% of opium, has been used as an over-the-counter, non-psychoactive cough suppressant (6). Papaverine, present at 0.5 to 2.5%, is sold as a digestive antispasmodic. Thebaine, 0.5 to 2%, is a convulsant in high doses; it is also similar in structure to morphine is used in the licit manufacture of semisynthetic opiates such as hydrocodone and oxycodone.
(Other species of poppy, notably _Papaver bracteatum_ , contain higher concentrations of thebaine and are cultivated for the extraction of this alkaloid ). Other alkaloids include narceine, protopine, laudanine (laudanosine), codamine, cryptopine, lanthopine, and others.
Ideally, the above alkaloids should be removed in the purification of opium for conversion to heroin. However, clandestine chemistry is rarely ideal, and some of these alkaloids are often not removed, remaining as imupurities of origin.
The most notable impurity of origin results from the failure to remove codeine. The manufacture of heroin, discussed in detail below, involves the acetylation of morphine to form 3,6-diacetylmorphine. Acetylated codeine (acetylcodeine) often constitutes 10% of the narcotic content of street heroin, sometimes up to 45% of this quantity.
Acetylcodeine is a key marker used in signature analysis of heroin, as the heroin-to-acetylmorphine ratio of seized batches has been found to vary among source countries . Also, acetylcodeine has been found to be two times as toxic as diacetylmorphine (heroin) in mice , and hence it may contribute to street heroins toxicity. Unreacted morphine and codeine are also present in some poorly processed heroin, which may bring about adverse reactions in users, especially when the drug is injected intravenously. The non-phenanthrene alkaloids (i.e, all alkaloids except morphine, codeine, and thebaine) are more rarely found, probably decomposed in the acetylation process. Noscapine, papaverine, laudanosine and/or cryptopine are occasionally present but in such small amounts that although toxic at higher doses, they are not thought to contribute to the pharmacological effects of street heroin. Thebaine is decomposed by acetylation, and although the decomposed product, acetylthebaol, is sometimes present, it is not thought to have any harmful effect.
III. Heroin manufacture
The complete conversion of raw opium to pure heroin hydrochloride (diacetylmorphine HCl) may be summarized as follows:
Purification of raw opium -->
extraction/purification of morphine from opium -->
conversion of morphine to heroin base -->
purification of heroin base and conversion to hydrochloride salt.
After step 4, diluents and adulterants may be added either by the manufacturer or by parties further along the distribution chain. Also, shortcuts may be taken at steps 2, 3 and 4, and steps 2 and 4 may be eliminated altogether. The process delineated in this section is that observed in Southeast Asia, designed to result in nearly pure diacetylmorphine HCl. A brief discussion of how the aforementioned shortcuts bear on the properties of heroin originating from other regions and comments on diluents and adulterants commonly found in seized samples will follow.
1.) Purification of opium.
Raw opium collected from the poppy as described above is placed in an open cooking pot of boiling water. This should dissolve all of the alkaloids in the opium, while solid plant material, soil, twigs, etc. remain undissolved and float to the top of the solution. Solid impurities are scooped out or filtered by straining the mixture though cheesecloth or burlap. The liquid is then re-heated over a low flame, evaporating the water to leave behind a thick, dark paste, which is then dried in the sun. The opium left behind has a putty-like consistency and is generally about 20% lighter (20% more pure) than the raw material. At this point the product may be exported for smoking or eating or consumed locally. This process may be carried out by farmers before shipping for consumption or further processing, or the raw opium may be transported to heroin manufacturing sites where the preparation is undertaken on a larger scale.
2.) Extraction of morphine.
Processed opium is stirred in large drum of boiling water until it has completely dissolved. Slaked lime (calium hydroxide), at about one-fifth the mass of opium, (or a fertilzer with a high lime content) is added to the solution. This has the effect of converting morphine, insoluble in cool water, into the soluble salt, calcium morphenate. For the most part, the other alkaloids do not react, and when the mixture is cooled, the morphenate remains in solution, while the other chemicals settle to form a brown sludge at the bottom of the container. (Codeine is somewhat soluble in water and some amount is likely to remain in solution).
The calcium morphenate solution is scooped or poured from the drum and filtered and pressed through burlap rice sacks or some other makeshift filtration apparatus. The filtered solution is re-heated, but not boiled, in cooking pots to which ammonium chloride is added at about one-fourth the mass of opium processed. After the pH of the solution reaches 8 or 9 it is cooled. Within a few hours, morphine base and any remaining codeine precipitate out of solution and settle to the bottom of the pot. The solution is then poured off through cloth filters, leaving chunks of morphine base on the cloth, which are squeezed dry and set aside to dry further in the sun. The dried crude morphine base is a coffee-colored powder.
(A more scrupulous chemist might use ether in the filtration to dissolve any residual codeine out of the base mixture, but this is not reported in accounts of illicit manufacture).
From this point, some manufacturers may proceed directly to step 3. Ideally, however, the crude morphine base is purified by dissolution in dilute hydrochloric (or sufuric) acid, forming a solution of morphine hydrochloride (or sulfate). Activated charcoal is added, and the solution is heated and filtered hot through a fine cloth. The filtration is repeated several times, removing the charcoal and colored impurities with it. The filtrate may be dried in the sun to leave behind morphine hydrochloride, a fine white powder if purification is complete, which may be pressed into 1 kg bricks and transferred for further processing at a remote site. Alternatively, ammonium hydroxide may be added to the morphine HCl solution (or re-dissolved morphine HCl), precipitating morphine base, filtered and dried to form a granular solid.
3.) Conversion of morphine to heroin base.
The key chemical used in the acetylation of morphine to form heroin is acetic anhydride, a colorless, highly combustible liquid with a strong pickle-like odor. Though internationally controlled as a heroin precursor, acetic anhydride also used to synthesize aspirin and chemicals for leather tanning and photography. Morphine hydrochloride or morphine base is mixed with acetic anhydride at about three-times the mass of the former in a stainless steel or enamel pot. The pot lid is tied or clamped on with a damp towel for a gasket (a makeshift reflux apparatus), and the mixture is heated at 85 degrees Celsius (185 degrees F), avoiding boiling.
The cooking proceeds for about 5 hours until all the morphine has dissolved. The pot is opened, and the mixture -- now a solution of water, acetic acid, and diacetylmorphine (heroin) -- is allowed to cool. Water is added to the mixture at three-times the volume of acetic anhydride, and the mixture is stirred. (Optionally, a small amount of chloroform is added. The mixture is allowed to stand for 20 minutes. The chloroform dissolves colored impurities and settles to the bottom of the pot as a red, greasy liquid, and the water layer is carefully poured off.)
Activated charcoal is added to the mixture, absorbing solid impurities, which are filtered out repeatedly until the solution is clear. Approximately 2.2 kilograms of sodium carbonate (soda ash) per kilogram of morphine are dissolved in hot water and added solwly to the mixture until effervescence stops, precipitating solid heroin base.
Heroin base is filtered with a fine cloth, set aside and heated until dry. The heroin base should be a granular, white powder at this point. If still colored (beige or light brown), the base may be re-dissolved in dilute hydrochloric or citric acid, treated with charcoal again, re-precipitated and dried. Alternatively, in some manufacturing regions, the incompletely purified base may be packed and transported for sale (a practice probably typical in Southwest Asia). About 700 grams of heroin base will be produced from each kilogram of morphine.
Optionally, skilled heroin chemists may further purify the base by dissolving it in twice its mass of boiling ethyl alcohol, filtering the solution through a heated funnel into a heated flask. This removes traces of sodium carbonate remaining in the base. The flask is submerged in an ice bath, where it is transformed into a thick white cream. The substance is placed in a pan in a refrigerator with a fan set to blow across the pan to slowly evaporate the alcohol . The paste crystallizes after several hours and is then vacuum filtered. The product, referred to as alcohol morphine base, is re-crystallized heroin base.
But when heroin is made in "Jungle (or desert) Labs" ,,, with the minimum amount of chemicals used, when doing the synthesis, and it is easy to understand the myriad of things which can "affect the outcome and quality" of the heroin, in those conditions
That said, some of the strongest and purest 'diacetylmorphine' which was 86% proper heroin, was, I'm pretty sure, a beige powder from Iraq
The "French Connection" was an operation where the heroin 'base' would be transported to Marseilles (in France) where it was shipped out to high quality labs which DID DO ALL the right processes to 'consistently' get 90%+ heroin from the base, as they has all the lab equipment needed to do so
VIP >>>>> THIS IS THE FINAL RECRYSTALLIZATION STEP WHICH "turns the #3 heroin base into "Diacetylmorphine Hydrochloride" ****(which should be a granular, white powder at this point) and then refines and recrystallizes to MAKE what is TRUE #4 Heroin ..... (BTW,,these numbers or 'grades' of heroin are NOT used outside of SEA)
4.) Conversion of heroin base to heroin hydrochloride.
For each kilogram of heroin base (or re-crystallized heroin base), 6.6 liters of of ethyl alcohol, 6.6 liters of ether, and 225 milliliters of concentrated hydrochloric acid are measured out. The base is dissolved by heating with one-third of the alcohol and one half of the acid. Another one-third of the acid is stirred in. Next, the remaining acid is added slowly, dropwise, until the product is completely converted to the hydrochloride salt.
This result may be confirmed either by observing that a drop of solution evaporates on a glass plate leaving no cloudy residue or by placing a drop of solution on Congo red paper, observing it turn the paper blue. Once the conversion is complete, the remaining alcohol is stirred in.
Then half of the ether is added, and the mixture is allowed to stand for 15 minutes.
As soon as crystals begin to form in the solution, the remaining ether is added at once, stirred, and the the vessel is covered. The mixture becomes nearly solid after an hour.
It is then filtered, and the solids are collected on clean filter paper. Wrapped in the paper, the solid is dried on a wooden tray, usually over lime rock, and dried in the sun.
The fully dried product, heroin hydrochloride, is a fine white powder, ready for packing and shipping.
References
[1] The Supply of Illicit Drugs to the United States: National Narcotics Intelligence Consumers Committee 1995. Drug Enforcement Administration, August 1996.
[2] Report of the International Narcotics Control Board for 1996. International Narcotics Control Board, E/INCB/1996/1, United Nations Publication, 1996
[3] Constantine, Thomas A. The Threat of Heroin to the United States. Statement Before the House Subcommittee on National Security, International Affairs and Criminal Justice Committee on Government Reform and Oversight, September 19, 1996.
[4] Claus, E.P., Tyler, E.T., Brady, L.R. Pharmacognosy (6th ed.), 1970. (Lea & Febiger: Philadelphia).
[5] Opium Poppy and Heroin Cultivation in Southeast Asia. Drug Enforcement Administration, Intelligence Division, Sept, 1993. (DEA - 92004)
[6] Soine, W.H. Clandestine drug synthesis. Medicinal Research Reviews. 6:1 (1986), pp. 41-74.
[7] Sharghi, N. & Lalezari, I. Papaver bracteatum Lindl., a highly rich source of thebaine. Nature, (March 25, 1967), p. 1244
[8] Narayanaswami, K. "Parameters for determining the origin of illicit heroin samples". Bulletin on Narcotics, 37:1 (1985), pp. 49-62
[9] ONeil, P.J., Baker, P.B. & Gough, T.A. Illicitly imported heroin products: Some physical and chemical features indicative of their origin. Journal of Forensic Sciences, 29:3 (1984), pp. 889-902.
[10] ONeil, P.J. & Pitts, J.E. Illicitly imported heroin products (1984-1989): Some physical and chemical features indicative of their origin. Journal of Pharmacy and Pharmacology, 44 (1992), pp. 1-6
[11] Baker, P.B. & Gough, T.A. The separation and quantitation of the narcotic components of illicit heroin using reverse-phase high performance liquid chromatography, Journal of Chromatographic Science
and here's a slightly 'easier' condensed version for the TL;DR crew ;D :P http://www.bionity.com/en/encyclopedia/Opiate.html
mighty morphine magick 8)
hmmmm motek :D
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Hi Motek, I'm acquainted with the information you've given. But it doesn't address the issue I have been maintaining as kind of a lone voice in the woods. Think back to your experience with pot for example from overseas. Genuine Thai sticks have an incredible and unique aroma as well as a powerful and unique high. For a period in the 70's there was a lot of Hawaiian weed around. That too had a unique smell and a unique (very euphoric) high. The same with cocaine and to a lesser extent, with heroin. There are subtle and not so subtle differences between different batches of coke or heroin having to do with the area where the opium poppies grew, the art of the chemists who converted the opium into heroin, etc. These differences in effect - the particular qualities of the high imparted by the particular batch of heroin - cannot be accounted for adequately by mere chemical analysis. I remember Owsley Stanley (a chemist whose LSD was famous for its quality during the late 1960's) maintained that in some crucial last steps in manufacture, the atmosphere in the room affected the final qualities of the drug. So he would try to get into his best consciousness by meditation, playing spiritual East Indian music, etc. so as to impart higher spiritual qualities of consciousness into his LSD. That is an extreme though interesting observation by Owsley but I think you understand my point, i.e., there are different qualities to the high of pot, cocaine and heroin having to do with the location of the plants and and the methods of manufacture. In my searching for the kind of heroin which I would like I've ordered from perhaps 10 vendors but have not yet found quite what I am looking for. I am particularly interested in trying out some heroin from the Golden Triangle, but since I've been on the Road (about 6 or 7 weeks now) no genuine China White has been available. I suppose someone will show up at some point who will have the kind of heroin I am searching for. I am sorry that I missed SmileAwhile's dope. From what I gather, it had outstanding qualities. It was not just potent, but it gave a very special kind of high. A high which you could not reproduce by taking any amount of another type of heroin. I have an order in from DragonCove which I'm looking forward to trying out. If it has the qualities I'm looking for I will post somethlng in this thread.
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Get over it, have a bar of chocolate and move on instead of torturing yourself thinking about smack constantly..... Most over rated drug ever!
And he comes outta hiding with a left jab followed by a quick right!!!! People been missing ya, man!!
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Get over it, have a bar of chocolate and move on instead of torturing yourself thinking about smack constantly..... Most over rated drug ever!
And he comes outta hiding with a left jab followed by a quick right!!!! People been missing ya, man!!
Miss me? I don't think it's me they miss. It's like Thai girls sending you sms saying " Miss you too mutch" which translates to "I want to smoke your ice!" :p
I'm of no interest to you folks now, no longer involved in that business and glad to say making a honest living back in the real world.
Just thought i'd drop in and see what the smack heads were moaning their tits off about now :)
Yeah.. keep those ice smoking patoy creeps away from this MC..
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yea the Heroin scene is gone to Hell here. I'd recommend people to try TomorrowMan and subsrgood is the best USA vendor at this time
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Get over it, have a bar of chocolate and move on instead of torturing yourself thinking about smack constantly..... Most over rated drug ever!
And he comes outta hiding with a left jab followed by a quick right!!!! People been missing ya, man!!
Miss me? I don't think it's me they miss. It's like Thai girls sending you sms saying " Miss you too mutch" which translates to "I want to smoke your ice!" :p
I'm of no interest to you folks now, no longer involved in that business and glad to say making a honest living back in the real world.
Just thought i'd drop in and see who were the Heroes and Villains in the SR Heroin scene these days :)
I know many miss what you offered here, but I am glad to hear you made it out of the game unscathed when you wanted to.
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<<I know many miss what you offered here, but I am glad to hear you made it out of the game unscathed when you wanted to.>>
Absolutely. I discovered SR too late to have been able to try out your heroin, but if you have read much in the forums you'll have
read my many posts about the quality of heroin today vs. the quality a few decades ago. I don't know how to account for it but
it has been my experience, after ordering heroin from perhaps 8 or 9 different vendors that the quality of the high just doesn't
measure up to what it used to be. The dope is certainly strong, and it puts you seriously on the nod, but I have no interest in
nodding out. What I used to like about dope a few decades ago was the euphoria and pleasure it gave me. In moderate
doses I also found, perhaps due to the euphoria, that heroin increased my motivation and gave me a kind of energy to do things.
So, since my discovery of SR, which permits me to buy heroin even though I have no contact with 'the street' any more, I keep
searching for heroin which has the qualities I remember and love from years ago. From all reports about your China White,
I suspect your dope would have finally satisfied my searching. Since you no longer sell heroin on SR I look for other vendors
who might be able to obtain high quality China White. I suspect that heroin from the Golden Triangle would be most likely
to find heroin which the qualities I am seeking. After all, Opium has been a part of the culture of many areas in Indochina
for centuries. Also, when producing heroin for the illicit market began, Indochina had been the center of production for many
years. Heroin production was developed to a high art there. Heroin in other areas these days is just 'product'. In any case,
the heroin which you supplied has become a legand and the gold standard against which other high quality heroin is compared.
While I am happy for you that "made it out of the game unscathed when you wanted to" I wish that you would turn over
your business and connection to someone on SR who is or who wants to be a vendor. It is a shame for most of us who use
have lost access to the best quality heroin on SR. Have you ever thought of doing so? Orpheus
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Get over it, have a bar of chocolate and move on instead of torturing yourself thinking about smack constantly..... Most over rated drug ever!
And he comes outta hiding with a left jab followed by a quick right!!!! People been missing ya, man!!
Miss me? I don't think it's me they miss. It's like Thai girls sending you sms saying " Miss you too mutch" which translates to "I want to smoke your ice!" :p
I'm of no interest to you folks now, no longer involved in that business and glad to say making a honest living back in the real world.
Just thought i'd drop in and see who were the Heroes and Villains in the SR Heroin scene these days :)
No lies, I was on my way to ordering some of your product when you got out so I wish I'd tried your product but I'm glad to see a vendor such as yourself be able to bow out and move on unscathed.
Cheers,
Snoopish
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Get over it, have a bar of chocolate and move on instead of torturing yourself thinking about smack constantly..... Most over rated drug ever!
And he comes outta hiding with a left jab followed by a quick right!!!! People been missing ya, man!!
Miss me? I don't think it's me they miss. It's like Thai girls sending you sms saying " Miss you too mutch" which translates to "I want to smoke your ice!" :p
I'm of no interest to you folks now, no longer involved in that business and glad to say making a honest living back in the real world.
Just thought i'd drop in and see who were the Heroes and Villains in the SR Heroin scene these days :)
No lies, I was on my way to ordering some of your product when you got out so I wish I'd tried your product but I'm glad to see a vendor such as yourself be able to bow out and move on unscathed.
Cheers,
Snoopish
Same here was about to order from smile to when he took his leave. Like a few others said, it would of been awesome to have tried.....but glad you made it out.
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Anyone here have experience with gotsitall and subsrgood? I've ordered subsrgood and it's the best i've gotten on the road yet, better than maestro, blackmail, DT and Nod, but haven't yet tried gotsitall. same ballpark or is one head and shoulders ober the other? only complaint with subs is he's out of stock often and random.
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Anyone here have experience with gotsitall and subsrgood? I've ordered subsrgood and it's the best i've gotten on the road yet, better than maestro, blackmail, DT and Nod, but haven't yet tried gotsitall. same ballpark or is one head and shoulders ober the other? only complaint with subs is he's out of stock often and random.
Well I never got my shit together enough to come up with a proper list of vendors I've used and comparative amounts. I can say that I used GiA and subs within the same timeframe and I used equal amounts of each (+- 5mg) and the experience was identical. So, that said, I'd happily buy from either again and would expect the same quality from each.
Cheers,
Snoopish
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how long did it take to get your package from blackmail, i ordered on the 4th and he said he shipped on the 6th, and said it was a screw up and he reshipped it on the 16th, now its the 20th and its still not here he sent it first class which is 3 days and i live right next door to this dude idfk whats the deall, starting to irritate me :(
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Right here is my contribution,
I have never iv'd and used to snort but have reduced my use by smoking
Unfortunatly smoking defo is a weak way of ingesting H
I snorted frankmatthews and felt good off 40mg
I smoked beston3 both his very good and good H and found it to be the same in strengh and comparing looks believe it is the same both needed around .1/.2 to get anything off it and these were mild effects
Also smoked theexchange it was better than beston3's gear taking 100mgs for any worthwhile effect
Dispapers gear was the same as best on 3
FrankM no3 was good with effects felt at 50mgs
Psilocin has very nice no3 slightly stronger than franks but double the price.
My opiate use at the mo is h 8 hours every 3 days and use kratom in between days to reduce the WD's however after stopping dnorting took a 2 week break
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Also smoked theexchange it was better than beston3's gear taking 100mgs for any worthwhile effect
Dispapers gear was the same as best on 3
FrankM no3 was good with effects felt at 50mgs
Psilocin has very nice no3 slightly stronger than franks but double the price.
I am in the US and have been wanting to try #3 just for smoking purposes. I've only smoked Nod's tar and Einstein's gunpowder BTH which wasn't very good for smoking.
I don't touch needles but I could sell it to a friend if I don't like smoking it either so I'm willing to take a risk as I'm sure many of them would like to try something new as well, we've all only had #4 like most Americans.
My question for you is who would you suggest I order from? Keep in mind I will only be smoking this. Also it will be my first experience smoking #3 so any tips would be helpful.
*Most important is whether or not it's going to get to me, so Stealth is the number 1 priority, I don't want to burn a good drop I have going either.
Next is quality, especially how well it smokes and how good the effects are from smoking it.
I almost ordered from the Xchange a month or so ago but had a question and never got a response, I like communication but it isn't a deal breaker.
If you could point me in the right direction I'd most definitely appreciate it man. Thanks for your post already.
-side note- For some reason i have always wanted to try psiliocin and Frank doesn't ship to US so I'm leaning towards the Xchange or Psilosin.
Thanks in advance!
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Also smoked theexchange it was better than beston3's gear taking 100mgs for any worthwhile effect
Dispapers gear was the same as best on 3
FrankM no3 was good with effects felt at 50mgs
Psilocin has very nice no3 slightly stronger than franks but double the price.
I am in the US and have been wanting to try #3 just for smoking purposes. I've only smoked Nod's tar and Einstein's gunpowder BTH which wasn't very good for smoking.
I don't touch needles but I could sell it to a friend if I don't like smoking it either so I'm willing to take a risk as I'm sure many of them would like to try something new as well, we've all only had #4 like most Americans.
My question for you is who would you suggest I order from? Keep in mind I will only be smoking this. Also it will be my first experience smoking #3 so any tips would be helpful.
*Most important is whether or not it's going to get to me, so Stealth is the number 1 priority, I don't want to burn a good drop I have going either.
Next is quality, especially how well it smokes and how good the effects are from smoking it.
I almost ordered from the Xchange a month or so ago but had a question and never got a response, I like communication but it isn't a deal breaker.
If you could point me in the right direction I'd most definitely appreciate it man. Thanks for your post already.
-side note- For some reason i have always wanted to try psiliocin and Frank doesn't ship to US so I'm leaning towards the Xchange or Psilosin.
Thanks in advance!
Definitely go with Psilosin. His stealth's great and the no. 3 he has is really strong/ pure. I can't remember if C63amg is shipping to the US or not but his stealth's good.
AS for smoking it's pretty easy. I copy pasted most of this from a website as I'm too lazy to write it all out, but I changed a bit of it.
To Smoke Heroin start by attaining a rectangular aluminum foil approximately 3 cms by 17 cms.
You will also require some kind of funnel tube to inhale the vapor. The simplest method here is to wrap some foil around a pen, then slowly take the pen out. You can later unfold this and smoke the residue that's left inside.
The aluminum foil is then folded into half from its longer side and straitened as required in order to have an extremely flat surface.
A chuck of Heroin is placed on one end of the foil which is closest to you.
Begin applying gentle heat from a lighters flame towards the lower surface of the aluminum foil.
CAUTIOUS: DO NOT OVER HEAT AND INHALE TOO MUCH OF THE DRUG IN ORDER NOT TO OVERDOSE. GENTLE HEATING IS WHAT IS REQUIRED HERE.
Whilst holding the Tube in your mouth and as the heroin boils and vapor is let off, start to inhale the vapor.
Once you have inhaled stop heating, take a short break and re-heat when ready for another. Finding difficulty chasing the vapor? That's why they called it chasing the dragon, practice will make perfect.
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Also smoked theexchange it was better than beston3's gear taking 100mgs for any worthwhile effect
Dispapers gear was the same as best on 3
FrankM no3 was good with effects felt at 50mgs
Psilocin has very nice no3 slightly stronger than franks but double the price.
I am in the US and have been wanting to try #3 just for smoking purposes. I've only smoked Nod's tar and Einstein's gunpowder BTH which wasn't very good for smoking.
I don't touch needles but I could sell it to a friend if I don't like smoking it either so I'm willing to take a risk as I'm sure many of them would like to try something new as well, we've all only had #4 like most Americans.
My question for you is who would you suggest I order from? Keep in mind I will only be smoking this. Also it will be my first experience smoking #3 so any tips would be helpful.
*Most important is whether or not it's going to get to me, so Stealth is the number 1 priority, I don't want to burn a good drop I have going either.
Next is quality, especially how well it smokes and how good the effects are from smoking it.
I almost ordered from the Xchange a month or so ago but had a question and never got a response, I like communication but it isn't a deal breaker.
If you could point me in the right direction I'd most definitely appreciate it man. Thanks for your post already.
-side note- For some reason i have always wanted to try psiliocin and Frank doesn't ship to US so I'm leaning towards the Xchange or Psilosin.
Thanks in advance!
Definitely go with Psilosin. His stealth's great and the no. 3 he has is really strong/ pure. I can't remember if C63amg is shipping to the US or not but his stealth's good.
AS for smoking it's pretty easy. I copy pasted most of this from a website as I'm too lazy to write it all out, but I changed a bit of it.
To Smoke Heroin start by attaining a rectangular aluminum foil approximately 3 cms by 17 cms.
You will also require some kind of funnel tube to inhale the vapor. The simplest method here is to wrap some foil around a pen, then slowly take the pen out. You can later unfold this and smoke the residue that's left inside.
The aluminum foil is then folded into half from its longer side and straitened as required in order to have an extremely flat surface.
A chuck of Heroin is placed on one end of the foil which is closest to you.
Begin applying gentle heat from a lighters flame towards the lower surface of the aluminum foil.
CAUTIOUS: DO NOT OVER HEAT AND INHALE TOO MUCH OF THE DRUG IN ORDER NOT TO OVERDOSE. GENTLE HEATING IS WHAT IS REQUIRED HERE.
Whilst holding the Tube in your mouth and as the heroin boils and vapor is let off, start to inhale the vapor.
Once you have inhaled stop heating, take a short break and re-heat when ready for another. Finding difficulty chasing the vapor? That's why they called it chasing the dragon, practice will make perfect.
If I were you I'd use a larger piece of foil than that(about A5 is good) and crease it slightly at one edge so you have a bit of a groove to run it down.when down to the bottom of the 1st line,crease it again about 1cm over and run it down the opposite direction.Repeat this action until the foil has been used or your beetle dies.Only use enough heat to make it run otherwise you will burn it and it will frazzle up,maybe even catch on fire,and then your more or less fucked!