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Title: New to Heroin
Post by: DrChong on March 05, 2013, 03:51 am
Hey guys, so I finally got around to ordering 200mg of FF's #4 heroin, and let me say first off that he has pretty good product. I can tell even as a noob that it's good.

However, my question is about any tips or suggestions you may have. I already snorted it a few days ago, and have been doing it once a day for the past 3 days. I don't think I'm worried about addiction, it's just that I've been pretty bored and since it's been in the house, I feel no reason NOT to take it, but I also think that once it runs out, I won't have a desire to order more.

I've been dosing about 20-30mg up the nose each time, but I haven't been getting a whole lot of euphoria, just great sedation and painkilling and relaxation. Truth is, I've gotten better experiences from oxycodone/hydrocodone than I have from H. I'm pretty worried about overdosing, actually. It's pretty paranoid-inducing.

Please don't warn me about addiction, I understand the risks. I don't have an addictive personality, and I believe myself to be responsible enough to avoid it.
Title: Re: New to Heroin
Post by: DiamondSky on March 05, 2013, 07:39 am
So I always toss this out there and people normally recoil but... you can give plugging a try and see if that hits the spot for you. It's hit or miss with H, some people say it hits as good as IV and others claim it does nothing for them. I think most of the issues are just folks not doing it right.  Google Plugging Heroin and you can read a bit about it. In a nutshell though you just get an oral syringe (the kind with out needles that they give babies medicine in, free if you go to a Wal-Greens pharmacy counter and ask for one), drop the powder in, suck up a little bit of water (3ml or so), hop on your bed, lay on your side, lube the appropriate parts up and insert syringe push plunger.

If it hits you'll feel it within a few minutes and for a lot of people it gives them that rush they are missing and normally only chased down via IV. If you are a "regular" sort of fellow, having empty bowels is clearly the way to go here or you'll just want to poop really bad and waste all the drugs. First time just hang out on your side for a few minutes, leave the syringe in, it won't make you more or less gay unless your buddy walks in while you are doing it. After a few minutes it's normally safe to remove it without risk of leaking. I plug all the time and just pop it in and take it right out but best to get to know yourself a bit first.

Anyway, other folks will have other ideas, there's mine!

Title: Re: New to Heroin
Post by: A. Dubois on March 05, 2013, 07:52 am
From a 15 year opiate addict- I don't want to minimize it, because the risk does exist, but the probability of overdose using the insufflation method and NOT mixing with other drugs is relatively low. The overwhelming majority of opiate deaths occur during either the first time IV use of a high quality product the user isn't accustomed to from a tolerance aspect, or from opiate use in combo with other drugs such as alcohol and especially benzos like valium and xanax. Rather than sniff a whole bunch of small lines many times a day, try this- sleep it all off well. Give yourself at least 24 hours since your last dose. Then, do a big fat daddy rail! You will really take off and that buzz will have some legs on it too. As long as you don't mix it and don't use IV you are almost assuredly OK. But it's good to always use with a buddy just in case. Enjoy the titty cloud!
Title: Re: New to Heroin
Post by: grdr on March 05, 2013, 09:01 pm
Hey guys, so I finally got around to ordering 200mg of FF's #4 heroin, and let me say first off that he has pretty good product. I can tell even as a noob that it's good.

However, my question is about any tips or suggestions you may have. I already snorted it a few days ago, and have been doing it once a day for the past 3 days. I don't think I'm worried about addiction, it's just that I've been pretty bored and since it's been in the house, I feel no reason NOT to take it, but I also think that once it runs out, I won't have a desire to order more.

I've been dosing about 20-30mg up the nose each time, but I haven't been getting a whole lot of euphoria, just great sedation and painkilling and relaxation. Truth is, I've gotten better experiences from oxycodone/hydrocodone than I have from H. I'm pretty worried about overdosing, actually. It's pretty paranoid-inducing.

Please don't warn me about addiction, I understand the risks. I don't have an addictive personality, and I believe myself to be responsible enough to avoid it.

sorry but I'm laughing right now... that's how heroin gets its claws into you.. "bored, nothing to do, heroin in the house, do heroin every day". When you start getting mild withdrawals (you migh already feel very mild chills because it's been 3 days already) temptation to get warm again will get stronger and stronger and chills will get worse and worse when you're not on heroin. Then it gets deeper and deeper even though I've done H for ~2 years intravenously the longest time I went on it was 2 weeks so can't tell you what happens after that but here are a lot of ex long term H users they will give better advise. But everyone knows and should know the rule if you don't want to get addicted don't do H for more than 3 days ( I would say for more than 2) also until you have supply you will have "kinda passive impulses"  not looking dangerous at first  to do it.. I would advise selling remaining dope or atleast giving to some friend to hold on to it for a week (never worked for me wen't back to a friend and harassed him until he would give back my gear lol).

Edit:

Sorry didn't read the whole post at first and haven't seen not warn against addiction but I've been there so I know how it starts. Don't be paranoid you won't overdose. before overdosing you will start nodding hard, and even if you do more then you will pass out. it's pretty safe with snorting if the purity is consistent. So go for the nods. Also that "great sedation and painkilling and relaxation". I get the same thing too. Soon you'll start feeling like you should feel that way everywhere. it's great feeling to have isn't it ? everyone should have been born with it in the first place :p . it just feels so "natural". you just feel "whole"..
Title: Re: New to Heroin
Post by: grdr on March 05, 2013, 09:13 pm
From a 15 year opiate addict- I don't want to minimize it, because the risk does exist, but the probability of overdose using the insufflation method and NOT mixing with other drugs is relatively low. The overwhelming majority of opiate deaths occur during either the first time IV use of a high quality product the user isn't accustomed to from a tolerance aspect, or from opiate use in combo with other drugs such as alcohol and especially benzos like valium and xanax. Rather than sniff a whole bunch of small lines many times a day, try this- sleep it all off well. Give yourself at least 24 hours since your last dose. Then, do a big fat daddy rail! You will really take off and that buzz will have some legs on it too. As long as you don't mix it and don't use IV you are almost assuredly OK. But it's good to always use with a buddy just in case. Enjoy the titty cloud!

smoking gets the drug to the brain very fast you didn't mention that. its as close to IV as it gets.. Thats why some people who stick with snorting can do better at using recreationally and others who smoke find snorting not appealing due to lack of "rush" , smoking wasteful - too expensive - goes to needle.
Title: Re: New to Heroin
Post by: sniper123 on March 14, 2013, 12:57 am
From a 15 year opiate addict- I don't want to minimize it, because the risk does exist, but the probability of overdose using the insufflation method and NOT mixing with other drugs is relatively low. The overwhelming majority of opiate deaths occur during either the first time IV use of a high quality product the user isn't accustomed to from a tolerance aspect, or from opiate use in combo with other drugs such as alcohol and especially benzos like valium and xanax. Rather than sniff a whole bunch of small lines many times a day, try this- sleep it all off well. Give yourself at least 24 hours since your last dose. Then, do a big fat daddy rail! You will really take off and that buzz will have some legs on it too. As long as you don't mix it and don't use IV you are almost assuredly OK. But it's good to always use with a buddy just in case. Enjoy the titty cloud!

smoking gets the drug to the brain very fast you didn't mention that. its as close to IV as it gets.. Thats why some people who stick with snorting can do better at using recreationally and others who smoke find snorting not appealing due to lack of "rush" , smoking wasteful - too expensive - goes to needle.
Smoking is faster than IV.

Smoking:Lungs>Heart>Brain
Shooting:Heart>Lungs>Heart>Brain

Shooting does cause a larger spike in the amount in the plasma.  I believe when it hits the brain it's more concentrated than smoking. That's why it feels more of a rush.

 Try smoking before you try shooting. You want to work your way up to shooting. It's one thing to find you have a problem with a certain substance and you're smoking it. (It can still be hard as hell to stop.) But, once you find yourself with a problem with shooting it. It's nearly impossible to quit H or any opiate for that matter without help. (Not to mention dangerous to your health to stop on your own. If you don't know what you're doing. )

"Please don't warn me about addiction, I understand the risks. I don't have an addictive personality, and I believe myself to be responsible enough to avoid it. "
I'm not warning you about addiction. I'm warning you about the dangers when it comes to IVing a substance you're ignorant about. I didn't mention any of  the possible side effects of shooting.
 Also, if you play with such a strong substance with an un realistic mindset. Prepare to get burnt bad. I hope that the scars are not lethal.


What do i personally think of shooting H? There is really only way to describe it. A full body orgasm of sex and love.
Title: Re: New to Heroin
Post by: DrChong on March 15, 2013, 10:57 am

"Please don't warn me about addiction, I understand the risks. I don't have an addictive personality, and I believe myself to be responsible enough to avoid it. "
I'm not warning you about addiction. I'm warning you about the dangers when it comes to IVing a substance you're ignorant about. I didn't mention any of  the possible side effects of shooting.
 Also, if you play with such a strong substance with an un realistic mindset. Prepare to get burnt bad. I hope that the scars are not lethal.
Why are you warning me about IVing when I specifically said I am not and will not EVER IV heroin? I'd consider IVing hydromorphone if someone who had medical knowledge of properly shooting up did it for me, but I would not attempt it myself because I wouldn't trust myself to do it right.

Hell, I almost feel that I wanted to try H partly to prove to people that there are individuals who can use it once in a while and not get addicted.
Title: Re: New to Heroin
Post by: zenvoboy on March 15, 2013, 12:35 pm
You should probably read this:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=23080.0

His initial thoughts/actions sounded very similar to yours.

I know you said don't warn me about addiction, but it's the way you said "I don't have an addictive personality" that concerned me. As that guy demonstrates, addiction isn't just a mental battle, fighting the urge to do something you simply enjoy one more time. It's a physical vice. Your body makes you feel like utter death until it gets what it's become accustomed to - having Heroin in it's system.
Title: Re: New to Heroin
Post by: sniper123 on March 16, 2013, 12:40 am

"Please don't warn me about addiction, I understand the risks. I don't have an addictive personality, and I believe myself to be responsible enough to avoid it. "
I'm not warning you about addiction. I'm warning you about the dangers when it comes to IVing a substance you're ignorant about. I didn't mention any of  the possible side effects of shooting.
 Also, if you play with such a strong substance with an un realistic mindset. Prepare to get burnt bad. I hope that the scars are not lethal.
Why are you warning me about IVing when I specifically said I am not and will not EVER IV heroin? I'd consider IVing hydromorphone if someone who had medical knowledge of properly shooting up did it for me, but I would not attempt it myself because I wouldn't trust myself to do it right.

Hell, I almost feel that I wanted to try H partly to prove to people that there are individuals who can use it once in a while and not get addicted.
I've heard many people say they weren't going to use a needle. Ugh, you're missing the point of what I'm trying to get you to understand. When you say that you will never shoot up H. But, you are going to use H. You're being un realistic with yourself. The same way you are stating you won't become addicted because you don't have an addictive personality.

My point is this. The mindset you have could easily lead to self justifications of your use and denial. (Denial is the first step of addiction.)

For instance when you said this. "Hell, I almost feel that I wanted to try H partly to prove to people that there are individuals who can use it once in a while and not get addicted." That is a self justification for you to use H.