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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: stemcell on February 16, 2013, 03:41 am

Title: why wash molly
Post by: stemcell on February 16, 2013, 03:41 am
why do people wash molly? Does it change the roll? Is there less hangover or a better high? Im very curious on this. i understand it makes a pretty whiteish powerder but other than that what is the point?
Title: Re: why wash molly
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on February 16, 2013, 03:55 am
In short, 100mg of brown or tan MDMA is, from what I understand, only 84 actual mg of pure MDMA. Where as if its been washed, 100mg is actually 100mg pure MDMA.
Title: Re: why wash molly
Post by: gambino on February 16, 2013, 04:02 am
People wash molly to remove impurities.  Yes, washing usually improves the appearance by making the product whiter, but it also removes known and unknown impurities, including reactants/precursor chemicals.  Most people would prefer not to ingest extra chemicals, especially unknown ones or ones that are known to be toxic -- at the end of the day, that's what it comes down to.  So it's more that just making the product prettier.
Title: Re: why wash molly
Post by: DiamondSky on February 16, 2013, 06:01 am
In short, 100mg of brown or tan MDMA is, from what I understand, only 84 actual mg of pure MDMA. Where as if its been washed, 100mg is actually 100mg pure MDMA.

Nope.

MDMA is bonded to a salt that takes up 16% of the chemicals weight by volume. Washing it just gets rid of the extra stuff left on during the syth process. Most of it is benign, washing it also gets rid of a bit of the MDMA. No real reason to wash unless you are a clean freak. White does not mean it's purer either. MDMA is a salt, it recrystallizes easily with lots of other fillers. So going to buy the clean white / clear MDMA is as good as buying brown / tan.
Title: Re: why wash molly
Post by: Caparino on February 16, 2013, 06:49 am
In short, 100mg of brown or tan MDMA is, from what I understand, only 84 actual mg of pure MDMA. Where as if its been washed, 100mg is actually 100mg pure MDMA.

Nope.

MDMA is bonded to a salt that takes up 16% of the chemicals weight by volume. Washing it just gets rid of the extra stuff left on during the syth process. Most of it is benign, washing it also gets rid of a bit of the MDMA. No real reason to wash unless you are a clean freak. White does not mean it's purer either. MDMA is a salt, it recrystallizes easily with lots of other fillers. So going to buy the clean white / clear MDMA is as good as buying brown / tan.

Someone got TOOOOOOOOLD!   :D
Title: Re: why wash molly
Post by: RaFaeL5 on February 16, 2013, 05:12 pm
Ok - so washing isn't that much important with MDMA (less than with other products where it's well known that "cutting" has been added), but in case you want to clean your MDMA anyway,
what would be the best way to do such?
Just curious...
Title: Re: why wash molly
Post by: OldIsGold on February 16, 2013, 06:49 pm
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Title: Re: why wash molly
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on February 16, 2013, 07:07 pm
In short, 100mg of brown or tan MDMA is, from what I understand, only 84 actual mg of pure MDMA. Where as if its been washed, 100mg is actually 100mg pure MDMA.

Nope.

MDMA is bonded to a salt that takes up 16% of the chemicals weight by volume. Washing it just gets rid of the extra stuff left on during the syth process. Most of it is benign, washing it also gets rid of a bit of the MDMA. No real reason to wash unless you are a clean freak. White does not mean it's purer either. MDMA is a salt, it recrystallizes easily with lots of other fillers. So going to buy the clean white / clear MDMA is as good as buying brown / tan.

How do you say nope, then go on to explain further, exactly what I said, only in detail.

 Its made up of 16% salt or w.e which is benign impurities, So 84%+16%=100%... So in theory, what I was lead to believe is not in fact wrong, by your account exactly the case.

By weighing out 100mg of brown mdma, that has not been washed it is 84% MDMA, 16% impurities. After a wash, that 16% is gone. Thus making 100mg of white mdma an actual 100mg of mdma minus the 16% impurities.

 Im no chemist by far, but I dont see how what I said didnt make any sense to begin with.

Title: Re: why wash molly
Post by: gambino on February 16, 2013, 07:28 pm
In short, 100mg of brown or tan MDMA is, from what I understand, only 84 actual mg of pure MDMA. Where as if its been washed, 100mg is actually 100mg pure MDMA.

Nope.

MDMA is bonded to a salt that takes up 16% of the chemicals weight by volume.

Nope.  MDMA is not "bonded to a salt."  MDMA HCl *is* a salt.
Title: Re: why wash molly
Post by: DiamondSky on February 16, 2013, 08:59 pm
In short, 100mg of brown or tan MDMA is, from what I understand, only 84 actual mg of pure MDMA. Where as if its been washed, 100mg is actually 100mg pure MDMA.

Nope.

MDMA is bonded to a salt that takes up 16% of the chemicals weight by volume. Washing it just gets rid of the extra stuff left on during the syth process. Most of it is benign, washing it also gets rid of a bit of the MDMA. No real reason to wash unless you are a clean freak. White does not mean it's purer either. MDMA is a salt, it recrystallizes easily with lots of other fillers. So going to buy the clean white / clear MDMA is as good as buying brown / tan.

How do you say nope, then go on to explain further, exactly what I said, only in detail.

 Its made up of 16% salt or w.e which is benign impurities, So 84%+16%=100%... So in theory, what I was lead to believe is not in fact wrong, by your account exactly the case.

By weighing out 100mg of brown mdma, that has not been washed it is 84% MDMA, 16% impurities. After a wash, that 16% is gone. Thus making 100mg of white mdma an actual 100mg of mdma minus the 16% impurities.

 Im no chemist by far, but I dont see how what I said didnt make any sense to begin with.

Yeah I say bonded because it's possible to have MDMA in freebase form which would be just MDMA presented as a lovely liquid sludge that I've never seen in my life. MDMA hydrochloride is the stuff we all know and love and in it's purest form 16% of the molecular weight is taken up by the hydrochloride. So if you wash and wash and wash you drug removing everything that is not MDMA hydrochloride you'll still have 16% of the weight by volume taken up by the hydrochloride. The people selling 84% pure MDMA are actually selling 100% pure MDMA hydrochloride assuming their advertising is correct which I really doubt it is a lot of the times.

I don't know what the process is for converting it to freebase but in general salts are great since they last so long, can be pressed into pills, don't react with air and all that good stuff.

Hope that helps, no chemist here either, but I was confounded by the 84% pure thing a while back and so tried to figure it all out. The only way to get 100% MDMA is to convert it into freebase, if it is a crystal, it's a salt and that salt takes up an exact amount of weight by volume.
Title: Re: why wash molly
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on February 16, 2013, 10:23 pm
We learn something new every day lol
Title: Re: why wash molly
Post by: gambino on February 16, 2013, 10:29 pm
I don't know what the process is for converting it to freebase..

React with a base that is stronger than MDMA base, such as -OH.
Title: Re: why wash molly
Post by: Caparino on February 16, 2013, 11:55 pm
We learn something new every day lol

See, the 16% is the HCL. Make sense?
Title: Re: why wash molly
Post by: snark on February 17, 2013, 04:25 pm
My old source used to wash his MDMA, and told me that it makes for a smoother, less nauseous com up than unwashed. I am not sure if that's true, but I did notice a difference.